Humble Pie Time

Posted: February 2nd, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 83 Comments »

Seattle is the cockiest team in the NFL (and I think they would be the first to tell you that). They got a big piece of humble pie by losing the Super B0wl.

That theme carried over to today, as a couple of big news items broke. Johnny Manziel is going to be Johnny Rehab for the next 28 days (or however long rehab goes these days). I don’t know what to make of this. Does Johnny really have that serious of a drinking problem or is this a PR move? This could be his attempt to show the world that he’s matured…something along the lines of “I’m going to rehab so you can now take me seriously. I’m a changed man.”

I have never met Manziel and I don’t have any inside sources on him so I can only speculate. This move feels awkward to me. Does rehab make you more mature? If you read about Manziel going back several years, his issues seem to have a lot more to do with maturity than alcohol (or drugs). Think about him standing on stage at the draft and doing his money hand sign. That had nothing to do with drinking, but everything to do with him being a major idiot.

The ultra-cocky QB who was the king of college football and supposed savior of the Cleveland Browns is now closer to rock bottom than the top.

If Cleveland decides that enough is enough and they want to deal Manziel, should the Eagles be interested? Obviously Manziel would go for a lot less than the 1st round pick the Browns invested in him. Based on what I know, I would not want to deal for Manziel. He’s just not a player I believe in. Chip Kelly recruited him to Oregon and would be able to talk to a lot of people around Manziel. He would be able to make a well-informed decision. I would trust Chip. If he felt the risk was worth the reward…

My guess is that Cleveland keeps Manziel and tries to see if the new humbler, more focused version can actually play.

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Warren Sapp is the worst NFL analyst on TV. Or “was”, I should say. The NFL Network has fired him after an incident in which Sapp was soliciting a prostitute and also accused of assault.

Good riddance.

Sapp was a complete jackass and a constant embarrassment to the NFL Network. I have no idea how that network felt he was worth keeping around this long. We can all disagree with a player or analyst. They often drive me crazy with lazy thinking and opinions that seem to be uttered simply to draw a reaction. But some of that is the fault of the networks and the producers.

Take Michael Irvin for instance. Watch the “U Know It” segment with he and Sapp and you’ll want want a nuclear missile to be fired directly into your cerebral cortex. But listen to Irvin when he’s a guest on the radio with Jim Rome or Dan Patrick. Irvin tells good stories. He offers real insight. He loses the histrionics that make him so awful on TV.

Sapp was awful no matter where, no matter when. He offered dumb opinions that were far more catchphrases than  actual thoughts. He never wanted to have an intelligent discussion on football. He wanted to shout until you acknowledged his opinion.

Sapp was a great player. He is one of the greatest defensive linemen I’ve ever seen and I’ll never forget that side of him. But I hope he’s done with broadcasting for a long, long time, if not ever. He was hugely arrogant and virtually never said anything worthwhile. Let’s give that job to someone who will actually do some work and possibly offer us an interesting or honest opinion.

U know what I mean?

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Jimmy Bama did a mock draft for the Eagles.

No Marcus Mariota? What a hack.


83 Comments on “Humble Pie Time”

  1. 1 A_T_G said at 10:11 PM on February 2nd, 2015:

    You are coming dangerously close to complimenting Michael Irvin here, Tommy. We can’t have that, and we all know it. Let’s make good decisions here.

  2. 2 Greg Richards said at 10:18 PM on February 2nd, 2015:

    Now we all just need to start a kickstarter fund to pay some prostitutes to entrap Troy Aikman and Phil Simms, make a couple of anonymous phone calls to the local police, and the broadcasting airwaves will be safe for all to listen to.

  3. 3 Insomniac said at 10:53 PM on February 2nd, 2015:

    Joe Buck too please.

  4. 4 Ray888 said at 12:58 PM on February 3rd, 2015:


  5. 5 Sokhar20 said at 10:53 PM on February 2nd, 2015:

    “No, honey, they were totally for Aikman! I swear!”

  6. 6 MagOvertheRainbow said at 2:24 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Chris Collinsworth. I’ll take Aikman’s comments any day over this silly twit.

  7. 7 Buge Halls said at 9:58 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    And Chris Collingsworth! PLEASE!!!

  8. 8 A_T_G said at 10:18 PM on February 2nd, 2015:

    With Manzeil, the timing seems a little too convienient for me to take it as sincere. He happened to hit rock bottom and realize his need for a change in time to make the first media cycle of the off season? Or he realized this off season wasn’t going to feature him as a storyline unless he made a splash?

  9. 9 MagOvertheRainbow said at 2:34 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Or the team made the decision for him.

  10. 10 GEAGLE said at 7:11 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    like i said, this is a joke of a PR move… chip wouldnt touch manziel if the browns gave us a pick to take him

  11. 11 ICDogg said at 10:47 PM on February 2nd, 2015:

    Humble Pie? Never much cared for that band.

  12. 12 BobSmith77 said at 2:37 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Wasn’t that a lesser known track of Don McLean?

    Humble pie is still probably better than rhubarb pie (the world’s worst pie flavor).

  13. 13 laeagle said at 11:14 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    I believe mince meat has that honor

  14. 14 Ray888 said at 1:01 PM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Try the strawberry/rhubarb pie. If you weren’t told you wouldn’t even know it was in there.

  15. 15 Insomniac said at 11:01 PM on February 2nd, 2015:

    I don’t really like Jimmy’s mock.

  16. 16 Mitchell said at 11:16 PM on February 2nd, 2015:

    Agree, I felt 3 OL was overkill, even if one is drafted in the 7th.

  17. 17 GEAGLE said at 7:30 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    give me Grasu and Fisher and call it a day. we dont have to worry about how they translate to our crazy tempo, and between the two of them they can play T,G and C… draft two OL, hopefully sign one in free agency whos ability is somewhere between Mathis and Barbre..

    fortunately if we miss out on the Oregon lineman there is plenty of other talent to fill it with… i just wouldnt like drafting OL that have no experience playing high tempo

  18. 18 mksp said at 11:47 PM on February 2nd, 2015:

    I like the Gunter & Ali Marpet picks. I really don’t know if Chip will ever pick a guy from Hobart given his history, but the kid more than held his own during the Senior Bowl. D3FB / Tyler will have to take it from there though.

  19. 19 Insomniac said at 12:25 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Gunter might be a better fit at safety than he is a CB.

  20. 20 Mitchell said at 12:37 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Why do you say that?

  21. 21 Insomniac said at 12:48 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    He’s probably not fast enough to play CB at the next level.

  22. 22 Mitchell said at 1:59 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Well, he is over 6′ and 200 lbs. How fast do you want him to run? He’s going to sacrifice some speed for his size, if he didn’t he would be a first rounder. He’s going to run at least in the low 4.5’s. I watched 3 tapes of him at draftbreakdown and I didn’t see him get beat deep once.

  23. 23 Anders said at 2:52 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    If he does not have enough speed be prepared for a ton of Curtis Marsh/Bradley Fletcher toast pics just with him instead

  24. 24 D3FB said at 3:50 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Curtis Marsh was athletically freakish. Better prospect than Sherman.

  25. 25 Anders said at 4:28 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    I know, same with Clay Harbor, total freak of nature, but didnt translate.

    My point was just that CBs need a certain speed for a reason or he needs to be a freak on other points like 3 cone and vertical (take Sherman, he actually has problems against speedy WRs, but because of the pass rush and Earl Thomas, its not a problem)

  26. 26 Insomniac said at 10:39 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Gunter is an inch taller than Antrel Rolle/Malcolm Jenkins. He has the same issues as them coming out of college albeit not as good as they were in college.

  27. 27 Mitchell said at 3:47 PM on February 3rd, 2015:

    They were both first round picks. Gunter will not be. Worth the risk to me.

  28. 28 D3FB said at 1:02 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    I don’t think Thompson fits at ILB, and I think saying “well he’s a good player make it work” is naive.

    Smith to me is a DE in a 34. He would be more of the Vinny Curry player for us in the short term with a frame to grow into a starter. Tommy and Jimmy both think he can become more like fellow MSU alum Pernell McPhee.

    I like Ogbuehi, and think he could be a perfect guy to have redshirt, but I will drink bleach if I have to hear about “redshirting” a third round pick.

    I’m a big Gunter fan, but I have him as a top 100 guy, I don’t think you’re getting him that late.

    I’ve played against Marpet coughfuckthestatesmencough so I have Hobart tape (Hobart v. Dickinson is season opener). I think he’s a good player. He kicked the shit out of alot of our guys, he’s got heavy hands, a powerful base. I just don’t know that he’s athletic enough for Kelly’s scheme. Personally I think he’s going to make a great swing interior OL. I’ve seen people call him a poor man’s Zach Martin, and that’s bullshit.

    Washington is an obvious fit, I think he may go higher as he may appeal to 43 SAM who can play on or off the ball.

    Haven’t done film on late round RB’s. Varga seems ok.

    I would prefer a WR flyer in the 7th, somebody like a Kenny Bell.

  29. 29 xeynon said at 3:28 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    I wasn’t a fan either. ILB is a need, but not in the first round. And only taking one DB (and not until the 4th round) would be criminal.

  30. 30 Anders said at 4:45 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    I would have zero problems with a LB in the first and just cant force DB picks.

  31. 31 xeynon said at 10:17 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    You can’t force picks, but this is a mock draft. We’re just making realistic assumptions about who might be available when, not picking from an actual pool of players. This is supposed to be a deep draft for DBs so I’d like to see one picked early. I too am okay with an ILB in round one if he’s BPA but taking a DE/possible OLB in the second seems like a luxury pick to me so I’m not a fan of the combination.

  32. 32 Avery Greene said at 10:25 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    They need a clone of Kendricks, so ILB in the 1st round is probably a good move. I’m not sure if MS2 is lighting up the world this year, and you will eventually need a replacement for Barwin, so OLB isn’t a bad thing either.
    A LB is a solid pick that could pay dividends for the defense both this year and long term.

    Cox, Logan, and Kendricks are the core up front. If MS2 and say this year’s 1st rounder pan out, that’s 5 of your front 7 that might/can be dominant players.

    I left out Thornton who may improve to be dominant (though he’s really good now), and the trenches of your defense is young and dominant for a few years.

  33. 33 xeynon said at 10:30 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Fine logic, but this improved front seven would still be playing in front of an absolute dumpster fire of a secondary. The free agency talent pool at CB and S isn’t deep and we were so bad in that area last year that we need to attack it from multiple angles to even get it to passable IMO.

  34. 34 GEAGLE said at 7:09 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    i bet we only draft one DB in the first 4 rounds.. because we sign searcy and house in free agency

  35. 35 Greg Richards said at 7:33 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Doing a mock before FA, you have to assume that some needs will be addressed before the draft.

  36. 36 GEAGLE said at 7:39 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    i wouldnt at all be surprised if we trade back and draft kendricks brother in round 1…. i think its very possible

    if we are going to say that some positions shouldnt be drafted in round 1, then you should be spending first round picks on OL or DL, OT or edge rusher, the positions valued above the rest..

    doubt there will be many players available late in round 1 that we would rather have than another Kendricks boy, but we’ll see

  37. 37 xeynon said at 10:21 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Not saying there are positions that aren’t worthy of a first round pick (other than K and P). Just that if there are equally rated guys on the board, I’d rather take the guy at a position of crying need. I like Erik Kendricks but I don’t know that I’d pick him over somebody like Trae Waynes given the current state of the roster. Ditto Preston Smith over a guy like Kurtis Drummond or Cody Prewitt.

  38. 38 Avery Greene said at 10:26 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    I wouldn’t be a good GM, because unless I’m picking top 10 where there’s a can’t miss skill position – I’m drafting OL, DL, and LB in the first.

  39. 39 Joe Minx said at 11:28 PM on February 2nd, 2015:

    I’m confused, Tommy. What do you think of Sapp as a broadcaster?

  40. 40 ICDogg said at 11:38 PM on February 2nd, 2015:

    This would be a good time for Warren Sapp to consider blaming it on a head injury.

  41. 41 MagOvertheRainbow said at 2:36 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Could be. He always talked too fast, cut other people off, blathered on and on, yet rarely said anything useful.

  42. 42 A Roy said at 6:24 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Mags, I think it was a double entendre.

  43. 43 GermanEagle said at 6:18 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    ‘Head’ injury?! Lol, I see what you did there!

  44. 44 Cafone said at 12:00 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Sapp was a great player, but he was always poor man’s Jerome Brown, in both ability and personality.

  45. 45 BobSmith77 said at 2:36 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Sapp was the equivalent of Hugh Douglas in that once players he had played with stop playing his ‘insights’ were next to worthless because he clearly never did any kind of prep work or analysis.

  46. 46 BobSmith77 said at 2:42 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    you can add Hollis Thomas to that list too although he at least seems like he was an affable guy.

    It still is ridiculous though that we prosecute for prostitution and pretend as if the law works or that it isn’t as easy as ordering a pizza today.

  47. 47 GEAGLE said at 7:08 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    hollis is awesome, and now that he is in the media, he is one of the few worth listening to

  48. 48 laeagle said at 1:21 PM on February 3rd, 2015:

    I think Sapp should have been prosecuted on charges of being Warren Sapp.

  49. 49 A Roy said at 6:22 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Except Sapp is a worthless POS of a man.

  50. 50 Anders said at 2:54 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Getting pretty tired of seeing this honestly. "@ScottCarasik: Kwon Alexander and La'El Collins are on this list…"— Robert Ortiz (@DraftOrtiz) 3. februar 2015

    Interesting list (also a 2 years old)

  51. 51 D3FB said at 3:56 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Also such a strange thing because the coaching staff publicly would do something like that, but Collins started every game that year.

  52. 52 Insomniac said at 11:03 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    I wonder how much has changed since then. I like Collins as a player but it doesn’t seem like he’ll fit here with that demeanor.

  53. 53 D3FB said at 4:06 PM on February 3rd, 2015:

    He’s really young. He doesn’t turn 22 til july. He would have been a 5 star true sophomore starting the whole season. I’ll allow for some room for growth. He was also voted captain by his teammates.

  54. 54 Ark87 said at 8:21 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    poor Tharold Simon…

  55. 55 GEAGLE said at 8:23 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    the only jackass to ever get arrested the day before the draft, drunken jackass screaming at the mayor “you know who the fuck i am, im tharold simon”… welcome to jail Tharold Simon, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars…

  56. 56 Ark87 said at 8:53 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Still, to be identified as the pigeon by Tom freaking Brady in the superbowl, stretches into cruel and unusual. Getting Clowned by Edelman twice at the exact same route on the exact same part of the field, the second time likely with a concussion. Shew. Humble pie

  57. 57 anon said at 10:44 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Hopefully he’ll end up with something like the Rahim Moore story.

  58. 58 GermanEagle said at 6:15 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Dave S. seems to think that the Eagles may have a chance to play the season opener against the Pats. However when looking at their home schedule I think that Pittsburgh as a playoff team has a bigger chance:

    Home: Buffalo, Miami, NY Jets, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Philadelphia, Washington, Pittsburgh.

  59. 59 Brian Mahoney said at 6:58 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Sapp was garbage and Michael Irvin appears to speak english as a second language. Seattle is not eating humble pie. The entire secondary was injured or out of the game. And they still could have won. They came into Philadelphia and took the Eagles heart on national TV. Sanchez had open field to run and wanted no part of getting hit by a Seattle defender. Even Blip Kelly was heaping praise on the Seahawks like Lennie Small to George Milton. It was a disgrace.
    Hopefully the new coaches will teach more of the Eagles defensive players to lift some weights and play with nasty streak…a la Jerimiah Trotter or Seth Joyner.
    And for heavens sake, get a safety that will pop somebody! Were’s Dirty Waters when you need him?

  60. 60 Engwrite said at 7:21 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    What bothers me the most about Manziel is that Jerry Jones didn’t draft him.

  61. 61 Dominik said at 10:17 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Lol. Good point. Would have been a blessing and that’s not even hindsight. I begged Jerrah to take him in front of my tv.

  62. 62 GEAGLE said at 7:36 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    wonder how long til Manziel is out of the NFL… 3 years?

  63. 63 Ark87 said at 8:20 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    For the first time in his life football is hard. He’s going to have to make a ton of sacrifices just to become a competent QB. My guess is the wealthy young man realizes that professional football and his playboy life-style are mutually exclusive, and when he inevitably doesn’t become a star of the league next year, he will chose play-boy life style and wash out of football.

  64. 64 GEAGLE said at 8:22 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    my crystal ball is showing the same exact thing…

  65. 65 Buge Halls said at 10:03 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Broke and in jail in 5 years!

  66. 66 the DONALD said at 10:59 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    hes got family money for DAY$$$$…

  67. 67 P_P_K said at 10:57 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    I’m giving the young man his props. Folly is the nature of youth. If this was simplya pr move, he could have said he was in therapy or something. Rehab, I imagine even for the rich, must suck to some extent.

    It’s hard for me to imagine being young, talented, famous and wealthy. If I had been, I like to think I would have been a a great teammate and an all-american kind of guy, Probably, though, I would have been a total self-centered ass.

  68. 68 Jernst said at 8:07 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    “Drinking problem”? Tommy, are you still sticking with your story that Johnny was snorting powdered sugar and sweet tarts in that Vegas bathroom?

  69. 69 bdbd20 said at 8:26 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    I never had a real problem with Sapp on NFL Network. He was there for entertainment value. Mariucci and Warner provided good analysis. Faulk, Irvin, and Sapp were there for their personalities. I always thought that group had really good chemistry.

  70. 70 GEAGLE said at 8:29 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    LOB is all types of Banged up….
    Kam had hip surgery last year and has gotten banged up a few times this year
    sherman is having Tommy John surgery

    Lane has a “signoficantly broken arm”, camera wouldnt even show his wrist popping out his arm the wrong way..

    Earl Thomas is having Surgery on his dislocated Shoulder
    Tharold Simon, struggled mightily, and is a jackass who will get arrested again at some point during his career
    Maxwell, the healthy Legion of Boom member is calling himself “the prettiest girl at the prom”: because he cant wait to cash in on a stupid frivelous owner throwing 50 mil at him…
    how much longer is the Legion of Boom going to remain the elite secondary of the NFL?

  71. 71 GEAGLE said at 8:33 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    49ers are going to cut so many veterans, they will most likely take a step back next year
    Cardinals better hope patrick Patterson gets his head out of his ass after cashing that monster check, because cromartie is following Bowles to the Jets…larry foote is retiring, they need edge rushers to replace john abraham fighting ugly concussion battle. Daryl washington coming back but he can easily get in trouble and miss another season. they might lose Fitzgerald.
    seattle is going to have to lose some solid players because of the extensions they hand out this offseason

    thinking the NFC west as a divisions will take a step back next year. cardinals and seahawks will still be tough, but the division wont be as tough as its been…. Rams could be good if they get a QB

  72. 72 anon said at 10:40 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Yeah no wonder the Rams are calling about Nick, finally an opportunity. Be interesting to see what happens and if we can get some talent on this team.

  73. 73 GermanEagle said at 9:01 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Given the aforementioned injuries it won’t surprise me if the Seahawks keep sexy Maxy.

  74. 74 unhinged said at 5:54 PM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Their elitism is aided and abetted by the play of their DL – Bennet is a beast – and LB’s. If secondary slips a bit, that defense should still be very good.

  75. 75 370HSSV 0773H said at 9:32 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    I’m not buying what Manziel is selling.

  76. 76 Dominik said at 10:19 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Me too. At least as long as the police is watching.

  77. 77 ICDogg said at 10:23 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    After a few weeks he’ll appear, say he’s found Jesus, and that should buy him another year

  78. 78 Avery Greene said at 10:05 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    I think Heath Evans stinks too, and he’s not very bright off of football subjects either.

  79. 79 bwin29 said at 10:23 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Johnny Manziel had to wait until after the Superbowl before going to rehab otherwise he couldn’t have gone to all the great parties.

  80. 80 CrackSammich said at 10:34 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    It’s just a shame that Sapp was fired for his personal choices rather than his obviously suspect on-air performances. It could be taken as a victory, but the ESPNs and NFL Networks of the world haven’t learned a damn thing.

  81. 81 Insomniac said at 11:17 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Insomniac’s CB wishlist so far

    Trae Waynes
    Kevin Johnson
    Jalen Collins
    Quentin Rollins
    Ronald Darby
    Marcus Peters**
    PJ Williams**

    ** if they slide a few rounds

  82. 82 daveH said at 11:52 AM on February 3rd, 2015:

    perfect assessment of Sapp.
    always hated his mundane approach.
    knowing that he owed so much for child support grated on me even more.
    would never wish a dude to lose his job/career over doing stupit shieet however.
    glad he is gone but sad news that is demoralizing to hear.

  83. 83 unhinged said at 5:47 PM on February 3rd, 2015:

    Alcoholism is not always obvious. If Johnny Football got caught up in his hype machine and found out he needed a buzz to handle the world, he could conceivably hide that from his shadow. Alcoholics are often capable and functional. Hell, Johnny could have been hittin’ it on his pro day.