And So It Begins
Posted: March 3rd, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 1,202 Comments »The Eagles added their first veteran free agent of the year on Monday. They signed ILB Brad Jones, recently cut by the Packers. The defense is now set.
Before all of you spit PBR on your monitors, that was a joke. Jones is here to be part of the mix at ILB, but even Dave Spadaro is keeping this signing in perspective.
There are no promises here with Jones, no guarantees of a starting job or, even, of making the roster. Signing Jones doesn’t mean the Eagles are finished added to the position, honestly. He’s going to have a chance to compete for a roster spot and earn playing time, and that’s the promise head coach Chip Kelly makes to everyone on his roster.
Jones has started and been a role player in his career. He won’t come to town with any sense of entitlement. He does bring an inconsistent resume.
He never lived up to the deal, starting 12 games in ’13 and having minimal impact. He had three sacks, one forced fumble and no pass breakups for a defense that ranked 25th overall.
Jones and Hawk were the starting inside linebackers on opening day this past season, but Jones lost his job after one game and Hawk became a part-time player midway through the season.
Jones’ 2014 season was a microcosm of his career. He matched up well against some opponents as a single linebacker in the middle of coordinator Dom Capers’ dime defense, but too often he would commit a bad penalty or miss a tackle.
Jones is a good STer.
I’m glad the Eagles signed Jones. ILB is a spot that has troubled me. What do you do opposite of Mychal Kendricks?
DeMeco Ryans is rehabbing from a torn Achilles. And he’s old. And he’s expensive. I can’t imagine the Eagles are counting on him for 2015. Najee Goode showed promise in 2013, but missed virtually all of 2014. Do you count on him? Emmanuel Acho showed some promise, but didn’t exactly set the world on fire. Do you count on him?
There aren’t many good options in free agency. Mason Foster is the most interesting, but isn’t worth over-paying.
There are some talented guys in the draft, but you can’t count on finding the answer there. After all, what if the team is able to pull off a deal for Mariota. Are you using your 3rd round pick on an ILB and counting on him to start?
Jones isn’t an ideal answer, but he gives you flexibility.
The Eagles can look at some players in free agency if there is someone they like. They can let the draft play out and see if they find the answer there. They can see if any additional veterans are cut after the draft. If things don’t work out as hoped, Jones could start.
In a fantasy world, the Eagles will find someone better and end up cutting Jones. For now, he’s a good insurance policy.
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Jeremy Maclin did not get the franchise tag.
This means the Eagles have a week to get him signed before all heck breaks loose. You don’t want Maclin hitting the open market.
One bit of good news on the WR front. There could be a slew of veterans getting added to the mix. The Texans told Andre Johnson they will trade or cut him. You know the Eagles love former Texans. That could be interesting.
Mike Wallace, Brandon Marshall, Pierre Garcon, Stevie Johnson, and Marques Colston are some other big names who could get cut this offseason.
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Another bit of good news. The Pats did not tag FS Devin McCourty. They probably will still work out a deal for him, but if he hits the market, he should be the top priority, even over a CB. McCourty is a legit FS and we just don’t see many of those in the league anymore.
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No mention of Casey Matthews?
The forgotten man
We love to hate him….but the drop off in production when meco went down was hardly noticeable… And if we can’t find an ilb to fill the void I think Mathews fits well as a thumper next to kendricks
Raiders planning to sign him to 5-year, $50M deal
After that signing, we will demand a 1st round comp pick in 2016!!!
I don’t think that’s accurate. Was production terrible when Kendricks went down? Sure you can plug holes for a some games and hide a weakness. Over an entire season, or an insurance policy to hang on to, Casey is not the answer. He had his chance. Jones gets the same chance now.
Production wasn’t horrible while Kendricks was down, but the defense was more creative when he was in lineup and had more of a play making ability. I think if Ryan’s was hurt during pre season and Mathews was in there the whole season you wouldn’t have noticed much of a difference. The reason is because at this point in Ryan’s career he doesn’t offer the big play ability. His strengths are what Casey is best at and his weaknesses are Casey’s weaknesses. Now there are definitely some plays in which Ryan’s would have done better the Casey, but looking at it from a whole season or half season I don’t think the difference is much. For this reason I don’t think Ryan’s will be with the team this upcoming year. Casey’s performance wasn’t that far off from Ryan’s. What this is saying is that you can.get a younger more athletic LB that doesn’t have as huge injury concern that very may well out perform Ryan’s. He is either gone or takes a huge pay cut. This may sound crazy but if you think about it Smith could possibly be your starting ILB. This 2 gap Dline does a GREAT job of protecting and assisting the LBs, particularly the ILB.
… solid against the run… liability against the pass..
I don’t know much about Jones, but it does sound like he is an improvement over Mathews in the cover department, right or wrong?
i know he has been a dissapointment for the last few years, but Im pretty sure he is a good athlete so atleast there might be hope we can coach him up to be better then Casey was in coverage… think he is supposed to be much better athlete then Caser. Mathews overachieved, he under achieved…. hopefully coach Minter can turn him into a solid 3rd down backup in case one of our two Nickel LBs get injured
Because he stinks. Ok, a bit harsh. If you want to say he’s “ok” — well, we don’t need “ok”. We need good to very good. Casey is not good or very good.
Casey is a free agent. Doubt he’s coming back.
That was mostly meant as a joke, except he actually wasn’t bad as a backup filling in for DeMeco this year. And obvious Oregon connection.
Maybe Casey Matthews ends up with the Packers. They’ll have the Matthews brothers and we can have the Kendricks brothers.
I’m confused by this line:
McCourty is a legit FS and we just don’t see many of those in the league anymore
I’d say there are quite a few ‘legit’ FS in the league. Dix, Gipson, Thomas, Weddle, Harrison smith, etc.
It’s legit SS that are scarce and waning, primarily because of the move away from FBs and two-way TEs.
Devin Mccourty in an ESPN article after not getting the franchise tag…., “I might not be back in NE”
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000475958/article/devin-mccourty-i-might-not-be-back-in-new-england
That statement was as close to dirty talk to me as I can ever expect (or want, btw) a football player talking dirty to me. 🙂
I wonder if he meant “…don’t see many of those [hit the market] in the league anymore.”
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there is maybe less than 10 good to great safeties in the NFL in a league who needs 64.
It is a terrible position group across the league.
Weddle is vastly overrated in the Sehorn mold and Harrison Smith is a walking penalty.
trashuan Gipson, George Illoka… id bet atleast 3 of the real top 10 safeties today are probably names fans dont even know that well
To me, a true FS is a player who has good centerfielder skills. That group you named are more hybrid Safeties than what I consider a true FS. Forget about titles. I’m talking about skills.
Much easier to find a SS…guys who can play down in the box and can cover TEs. Doesn’t require the same kind of speed or instincts.
Among WRs, Brandon Marshall intrigues me quite a bit. I wonder what kind of deal he’s going to get and from who. One thing’s for sure, Carolina will have plenty of targets in FA.
I hope the Eagles didn’t tag Maclin because they know a deal is close. If he enters FA, it could well be the first big blunder of the Chip Kelly personnel control era.
I expect we’ll see some more cap clearing this week, but perhaps the Eagles will wait until they need the room. That means next week.
If he enters FA, it could well be the first big blunder of the Chip Kelly personnel control era.
bit of a stretch, considering:
(1) I think it has been made pretty clear Chip values and likes Maclin. After releasing Jaccpot and signing Riley, Blocking WR to a deal, Chip & Howie offered Maclin a long-term deal which he turned down. coming off his 2nd torn acl. Without #10, Maclin was the default #1 WR before we even knew if he could still run and cut effectively.
(2) by all indications, Maclin has made it very clear he enjoys being here and would like to remain here
(3) he may also understand this is his chance to Flacco (bet on himself and see ‘dat $$$). With Dez and Dey off the market, odds are very very high at least 1/32 GMs would put his great grandkids through college*
*I still find 3 unlikely. I think it is just a matter of a deal being close, personally. Sadly, I believe this is also the case with McCourty in NE
McCourty doesn’t seem to be in real intense talks with New England, considering he’s got the news of Gostowski being tagged (which means he’s not) from Twitter/Blogs, like we all did.
I’m not saying he will hit the open market, but if you listen to his statement here
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000475958/article/devin-mccourty-i-might-not-be-back-in-new-england
he really doesn’t seem like a guy who will sign a long term deal tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.
I can’t even say how big that would be, even if we don’t want him or can’t sign him. If you have a huge need at a position, there’s nothing better than a big fish hitting the market. At the very least, he will reduce the demand for other players at his position.
But I still hope we will sign him in the end. From a skill set and (from what we can tell) character perspective, you can’t hope for a better fit. Imho, if a FA is worth a real big pay check from the Eagles, it’s McCourty.
It’s pretty crazy, after the SB, we talked about how great Revis or McCourty would be for the Eagles, while we all assumed at least one will stay, maybe both. As of today, neither of those guys will be in New England next year. They won’t accept a cap number of 25m for Revis, that just won’t happen. They have time with Revis, since he’s not officially a FA, but time to negotiate is all they have right now, imho.
ok. but my entire post was about Maclin 🙂
I’m the last person you need to convince about McCourty. I’m advocating we break all tampering rules immediately by having drones flying by and dropping off Eagles swag and contract offers 24/7
I’m just hyped up about the possibility of McCourty in an Eagles uniform. 😉
Other than that, I’m relaxed when it comes to Maclin. I’d like to keep him, but for a player who got the nickname self tacklin Maclin for a reason, I don’t like to throw a ton of guar. money at him.
Maclin showed value in clutch situations last year, something I respect about him. But if he demands too much money, it’s better not to keep him. That doesn’t mean you have to start Cooper as #1 – you can sign another FA. Not ideal, not the best case, but if his demands are too high because of inflated numbers (and I really believe you have to take the stats with a grain of salt, Chips system frees up the Receivers) – good for him if he gets his money, but I hope the Eagles will be reasonable.
After all, most of us wanted to keep Cooper last year. He signed a big deal (compared to his accomplishments) – that didn’t work so well.
Maclin is an average player whose stats were inflated by a wide receiver friendly offense. Why should we pay top dollar for that? The franchise tag for Maclin would have chips first personnel blunder.
WRs aren’t even that hard to find anymore. The league is being flooded with younger and better talent.
The offense is said to be QB friendly. It’s wr friendly too? Can it be both? Either way, then do they need McCoy? Unless, its qb/wr/rb friendly?
in order of easyness to replace I would go RB >> WR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> QB, no matter how good Foles and Sanchez has looked in it.
Just think how great a good QB would look?
Agreed.
That is why the trade is coming.
A trade might be coming — but not for Mariota. LOL. The devil in me almost wants that trade though only because of the excitement it’ll cause in the NFL…
Well one of the reasons it is QB friendly is because wide receivers get schemed open. Which is one of the knocks on Mariota.
You are underrating him rather severely. He was a productive player in Reid’s offense as well.
The latest most accurate mock:
Round 1 Pick 20: Eli Harold, OLB, Virginia (B-)
Round 2 Pick 20: Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon (B-)
Round 3 Pick 20: Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State (A)
Round 4 Pick 14: Josh Shaw, CB, Southern California (A-)
Round 4 Pick 20: Markus Golden, OLB/ILB, Missouri (A)
Round 5 Pick 20: Austin Hill, WR, Arizona (B-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Malcolm Brown, RB, Texas (D+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Tre McBride, WR, William & Mary (A)
What an awful draft.
Well then, I’ll make to arbitrarily trash your next one! I don’t see why it’s that bad actually.
Harold/Golden don’t even fit the scheme. Shaw won’t be a culture fit here. Hill has medical red flags all over him. McBride is great though.
You are right about Golden, I admittedly didn’t know much about him. Harold has the ability to rush and needs work in setting the edge and has questionable coverage skills but we need more passrushers and he has size and the potential. Is he worth 20? Maybe, maybe not. I wouldn’t go as far to say he doesn’t fit scheme. Shaw had a stupid lie and he paid for it. Does he have any other character concerns? I don’t think so. His size/speed combo in the 4th is def worth it. Medical red flags as a 5th/6th pick? who care? Take a flier he has good size and is what Chip is looking for. The only “awful” part is probably Golden and I agree.
Shaw still has a lingering link to a robbery. Unless Chip feels like he wants to have a felon on the team then lets get more talented ones at least. IMO, Shaw isn’t a bad player but I don’t think you shake up the culture for him.
http://www.tmz.com/2014/08/26/uscs-josh-shaw-named-in-burglary-report-cops-speak-to-football-star/
This is what I found about the burglary. Seems pretty unsubstantial.
Saw Harold called a 2nd round guy last night on TV because of his lack of 3 down play.
I just want another rusher. This was a no trade down and I picked players that I thought were realistic.
No tradedown mock. I whiffed on O line.
Round 1 Pick 20: DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville (A)
Round 2 Pick 20: Jalen Collins, CB, LSU (B+)
Round 3 Pick 20: Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State (A)
Round 4 Pick 14: Ramik Wilson, ILB, Georgia (B+)
Round 4 Pick 20: Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor (B+)
Round 5 Pick 20: Clayton Geathers, SS, UCF (A-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Zach Wagenmann, DE, Montana (B-)
Round 7 Pick 20: Kenny Bell, WR, Nebraska (C)
Geathers, Wagenmann, and Bell? Yes please.
Mitchell as an UVA alum……I love Harold….but I don’t think he is a first rounder….Harold played DE and I believe he should of stayed another year….his play on the field does not match up with his physical gifts….Duke had what I believe to the be the most experienced O line and he was pretty much a non-factor….at OLB we would be asking him to cover as well as rush…..I don’t think he is guy with a lot of moves yet….the physical skill is tantalizing but I see him as another MSII guy that will not get on the field which is difficult when considering our needs on defense….
Noted. I honestly don’t know a lot about him but was hungry for a pass rusher. Do you think he could continue to develop into a complete OLB? Maybe not this year but down the road. We shouldn’t have to count on rookies in general.
Yeah, our coaches are good and the physical skills are there….its just the weight….he has been in a college program for 3 years and he has always had trouble putting on weight or keeping it on…..his pro day was yesterday and he measured in a 6″ 3″ and 247 lbs….if he were 260 it would make a difference but I question whether he can get there in year 2…..in our defense he needs to be rugged in the run game….also drops into coverage as far as depth and even working the width of the field was not something that he had to do at UVA (at least not that much)….That aspect of his game needs to be attended to…..
Devin McCourty & Bryon Maxwell… Mariota… Superbowl…
In all seriousness, some quick praise for one of my personal favorite NFL players, Andre Johnson. Over the past decade he has been one of the best players (not just WRs) in the NFL. Four-time All-pro, seven Pro Bowls, two-time receiving yard leader, 1,012 receptions, 13,597 yds, 64 tds, and so on, and so on. All this achieved with David Carr, Sage Rosenfels, Matt Schaub, Matt Leinart, TJ Yates, Case Keenum, and Ryan Fitzpatrick. At a time when we are seeing some of the best QB play in the history of the game, I have always wondered what Andre could have done with a better QB. He has never gotten enough praise because of his team’s consistent futility for the bulk of his career, and his non-diva/quiet nature. I live in Houston, and have always respected his impact on the field and off. His community work has always been second to none, and I wish he was recognized more for that (beyond local media). Unfortunately, we know the type of players that get the national headlines, but I digress. I would really like for Andre Johnson to win a ring, and in a perfect world, do it with the Eagles.
“And so it begins,” not with a bang, but a whimper.
“He matched up well against some opponents as a single linebacker in the middle of coordinator Dom Capers’ dime defense, but too often he would commit a bad penalty or miss a tackle.”
So now I am confused, is he here as competition for DeMeco Ryan, or Bradley Fletcher?
I thought last year was a bit of a whimper too. I think this year is an important one for Chip – on many levels…
Mike Wallace, Brandon Marshall, Pierre Garcon, Stevie Johnson, and Marques Colston — in that order it’s a NO, maybe, NO, NO, NO.
Some of your “NO’s” will have to become at least a “maybe” should Maclin not return to the Eagles. My order would be:
No – Hell yes – Maybe – No – Maybe
ok — Def. No, I love Marshal, but scares me to commit more than 2 years, definite a No(can he stay healthy and why is he moving from team to team so much – red flag) and Coltson just got his AAA card…
No, Maybe, No, No, Meh
Brandon Marshall is fun to watch, but he’s the furthest thing from a culture fit out of that entire group, even Mike Wallace.
doubt jones makes our rister….
I only think Goode is better than Jones of the backups
im sure we will see quality ILB or two added…
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possibly a brooks reed who gives us snaps at OLB and ILB, sort of a higher caliber Casey, but the opposite of Casey. Casey was more ILB, and could moonlight as OLB if we needed him too.,.. Brooks is more OLB, who can fill in at ILB when needed..
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good chance a LB is also drafted… i dont even think Jones is as good as Jason Phillips was when we signed him and he was never anything special..
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dont think too highly of Jones ST ability, so i wont be too surprised if he doesnt make the roster… would have rather poached Jamari Lattimore from GB, atleast that kid brings it on ST
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but we will see… even if he doesnt make the roster, there is real value in just making the camp competitions harder. The harder i is to make our team in camp, the stronger we will be..so even if he doesnt make the roster, it can still be a decent move that has some value
looking like Danny Boy snyder is itching to do, what danny boy does…. win the battle of the free agent market… if siging RJF wasnt enough, if linking them to Iupati, Culliver and every other decent Niner to hit the market, the skins are now rumored to be in the hunt for donkey Kong Suh…. i would have that dirty, nasty monster in our division trying to injury eagles QB’s twice a year….please keep him out of our division
damn Bills didnt Tag Jerry Hughes, now i have to drool over that kid til he signs with some lucky franchise.. Grrrrr
Maybe the lucky franchise will be us..
Should Maclin really not return we definitely could spend the money elsewhere. All of a sudden two of the following three “elite” Free Agents may not only be a dream anymore:
Hughes – Maxwell – McCourty
Give me Hughes-Maxwell and Searcy.
dude, are trying to make me walk around work with a chubby?
HAHA, what if I also suggest we draft Erik Kendricks and Jalen Collins? 😛
natural viagra!!!!!… do you have any idea how obnoxious I will be if you give me defensive improvements like that.. you think im unbearable now? that would take me back to the 2004 days when i used to walk around singing fly eagles fly all day, stopping traffic to flap my imaginary eagles wings at cars.,.. you cant give me a defense like that, i wont know how to act….lol
Honestly, I wouldnt be mad at that FA haul+draft at all.
I think we are two of the only people (a long with Josh Norris of Rotoworld) who would take Erik Kendricks in the 1st
hopefully we can get him without having too…but those friggin packers at the end of round 1 frighten me.. when you missed out on shazier and you had to use your best edge rusher inside, and now Hawk getting cut, they can all talk that 2nd round grade when it comes to kendricks, but what good is that if they are wrong and he doesnt make it out the end of round 1, especially when teams at the end of round 1 are choosing from players with second round grades anyway…hate to see us lose him, not often that we get to eliminate so much of the guess work already knowing a kids family…
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some ILB will have to go in round 1, if not kendricks I really dont know which is more worth a first round pick,…
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The Packers also released both starting ILBs from start of last season in Jones and Hawk.
grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!! hopefully they screw up and lose Baluga or someone important that they will be forced to replace early…. but I definitely have ZERO confidence in Kendricks getting out of round 1, no matter what grades people give him…. especially in this weak ILB class.. there arent clear cut elite top 20 ILB options that we can count on being drafted ahead of him… McKinney has weakness, Perryman is a round 2 guy, Dawsons ass looks like he can give Proffessor Klump a run for his money in the Sir Mix-alot, “Baby got Back” giant ass of the year award…
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kind of annoyed with the level of ILB and Safety in this class…dying to know when there will be a top safety int he draft that is cant miss, drool status for the eagles… Maybe if Jaylen Ramsey improves enough, but I hate FSU morons… they remind me of those old undisciplined Miami Hurricane stacked bomb squads
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its like the curse of Dawkins.. only us would find ourselves desperate for safeties for the past decade, picking 20 with the possibility of the top safety still being available, yet the top safety is like the opposite of what our coaches value in safeties smh… Bernard Pollard was released, rather sign a hitter like him then spend a first round pick on a safety colleges picked on in man coverage knowing our defensive schemes
Btw here is how Josh Norris is ranked them
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/52518/325/nfl-draft-norris-top-125
He has Kendricks as the 7th best prospect in this draft
holy hell… i view him as cant miss high caliber NFL ILB, but even I never had him close to THAT highly rated,… pray NFL teams dont think THAT highly of the damn kid..
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certainly makes me feel even better about wanting to spend the 20th pick on him if no unexpected top 12 talent doesnt faul to #20… if we can get Jake Fisher in the 2nd, i would like to see us take Erik in the first….
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hopefully we do something that ends up getting us another top 50 pick(not holding my breathe) so we can also get a top outside WR prospect…
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then again if Chip is crazy enough to lose Maclin over an extra mil or two that they will just roll over in cap next year anyway, be hard to not get desperate for WR’s early…
if we could actually MAN UP and handle our business in free agency, improve so much that I can reasonably expect our first round pick next year to not be any higher then #25, i would strongly consider trading next years first for one of the top 15 picks in round two so we can also snatch up a highly rated WR… might sound bad, but when you pick 25th you end up drafting a 2nd round grade and paying him first round money anyway..
I would love Hughes for us, but not sure he wants to sign with a 3-4 team who will ask him to drop
allegedly we are meeting with BG’s people again this week.. Love to Lock up BG now, add a good but not great guy like Brooks Reed to the rotation…/. since I really dont trust the eagles to go out and sign one of the top edge rushers who cost a pretty penny. love to be wrong tho…
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Cant stop laughing that they moved howies office to the other side of the Novacare building… grow up!!! powerful men with egos acting like children SMH
If we keep BG and add a guy like Reed, that means Cole is as good as gone
fine by me… he needs to be replaced in the near future anyway. if we have to replace him might as well do it during the most stacked edge rusher market we could ever hope for… but you are right, Cole 99% is extended, if we sign BG, no free agent edge rusher will be added… since i dont trust the eagles to spend money like that in free agency, Id rather go into free agency with our pass rush locked up not having to worry about drooling over expensive pass rushers who the eagles probably wont sign… if the dirty Titans werent around Id have more hope that we could sign Worlids
I much rather have Reed than Worilds.
Reed is actually the perfect OLB for us in terms of overall skill set because he can cover which most of the rest cant and he can also play ILB which means we can play more 3-3-5 in nickle (instead of 2-4)
very true, especially if we plan on rotating 3 or 4 OLBs in each game, it makes sense to add a cheaper more versatile guy, then to just add a younger trent cole(Worilds)… plus with the titans looking like they will let Derick Morgan and Wimbley walk, i expect Labeau and Wisenhunt to drive that Worlids price up to numbers that turn us off anyway,,,
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cant be THAT hard to recruit a texan free agent… we have half of the texans LB corp as it is anyway
Worilds is a very bad version of a young Trent Cole. Younger Cole was among the elite DEs in terms of overall production and run defense.
no disagreement from me…
The More I think about – and paired with how Herremans was talking about Chip’s view of skill players and how the ‘system takes care of it’ – the less I see Maclin coming back.
I just hope that we will spend the money on some difference makers on Defense in that case.
It’s year 3 on Chippa’s ship and time to deliver results.
It would make sense that an offensive genius like Kelly can have a top offense without overpaying for talent and therefor can overpay for defensive help
that would sure work for me… i just need chips offense to be good enough to not put the defense in impossible positions..i really dont need to see us score 34 points a game… Ill take 17-6 domination where the opponent barely was allowed to cross middle of the field any day, over these 34 to 31 wins…
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the thought of other teams hanging 30 on a philadelphia Eagles defense just eats at me, no matter if we win and our offense scores 50 points..
I think 34-17 is more realistic than 17-6 (also consider the current era of rules)
yes 17 is my realistic goal as well for the defense… even under 21pts works… unless injuries kill us we shouldnt be seeing too many games where chips offense is held to under 24pts
I hope we aren’t expecting that to be the case. That is Reid-like and will not end well. Talent wins games in this league.
If Kelly actually has this attitude it’s a sign of overweening ego and it scares the crap out of me. Andy Reid also thought he could scheme guys open and didn’t need to overpay for skill position talent. Worked fine until they got to the playoffs and the likes of Thrash, Pinkston, and LJ Smith went up against actual elite defenders.
or the defense didnt show up see 2008
I would stain my sheets if we netted McCourty.
Whats the deal with the restricted free agents like Thornton and Tashuan Gipson? i know the owners basically colluded to not bid on each others restricted players, but when do teams start bidding on the restricted guys, same day as the Market opens? typically you bid on a teams restricted players they will screw you and make you pay for it by tying up your money for the entire period of time they have to decide to match the proposal of another team, so GMs will purposely try to make you pay by keeping your money tied up in limbo for a week, while you wait to see if they will match, a week goes by and the team ends up matching the bid and the team that tried to steal the RFA will find half of the free agent market has dried up and they still dont have a player to show for it..
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if the Eagles arent going to spend the entire cap, which we know they wont do, might as well try to place a bid on restricted browns safety Gipson… who cares if they tie up our money for a week if we wont end up spending it anyway… tired of restricted Free agency being a joke,.,. some GM grow some balls and start aggressively going after teams RFA’s… i know the poison pills have been outlawed to steal RFA’s but so what… the browns suck, they have alot of money tied up in the secondary, Make a big offer on Tashuan that the Browns may be reluctant to match…. CB/FS out of Wyoming, has grown into one of the NFL top safety. they just paid for Hitner last year, they pay Joe Hayden, top 10 money for justin Gilbert who sucks….maybe we can make an offer they find difficult to match, especially if when free agency starts they make a few aggressive signings spending some of their cap wad
“I don’t know,” he said. “I think he values the quarterback position in his offense the most. Quarterback and offensive line. I think other than that, I think that he feels like he can kind of, you know, the system will take care of it.”
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/03/03/eagles-wake-call-herremans/#xiuz3BRbpjq8ABuq.99
(love how disqus auto links when you copy from another page)
This might explain why the Eagles are hardballing Maclin and why McCoy is most likely in his last season for us.
i sure hope not….. i dont believe in undervaluing any position… I have seen us pay too steep of price over the years over undervaluing ILBs or going into the season without a punt returner to know that every single position needs to be respected, and any position can be weaponized if you have a good enough player..
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then again, what Todd said isnt exactly that crazy… figure everyone knows the QB position, LT, and Edge rusher are the 3 premier positions valued above the rest……… Most football coaches philosophies ALL START with winning the line of scrimmage… heck just figure teams give 40, 50million dollar investments for Offensive lineman who dont even show up in a stat sheet… if you pay THAT much for the least flashy position that stats are barely even kept for, probably safe to say you put extreme importance on the position…
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the Offensive Line is everything… It can make or break QBs and RBs, which in turn can make or break the WR’s… dominant OL and DL will always give you a chance to win..
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OL is universally valued as crucial, but for chip its probably even more important knowing the effects it can have on his defense. if your OL allows you to go 3 and out in 30 seconds, you really arent giving your defense a very good chance no matter how good it is..
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so what Herremans is saying is pretty true.. Its no secret RBs have been devalued, and im convinced we are in the beginning stages of a WR BOOM where every draft will provide 10 high caliber NFL WRs, the position becoming easier and easier to draft… so in reality everything Herremans is saying chip values and believes in is true, because MOST football coaches place the same value on QB and the trenches..
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i personally think the line of scrimmage is so important that i wouldnt be mad if they spend our first round pick every year adding to the trenches, which so far is the only positions chip has spent 1st round picks on…
“OL is universally valued as crucial, but for chip its probably even more important knowing the effects it can have on his defense.”
Honestly I doubt he think thats, I think its more related to how much better the run game functions with great OL play.
Regarding undervalueing a position. Every team has to make decisions on which positions they want to value or they end up with a bad cap.
One of the reasons the Pats has been so good (or the Ravens) for so long, is because they know when to walk away from a player demanding too much money compared to what the FO values them at.
Joe Banner was also master of doing this for us.
this is also true…
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but i also believe that a big part of why the Ravens and Patriots have been so good in drafts, is because they shamelessly dont care about adding scum to their locker room… .. they have no character standards in those organizations. they dont care if you are a despicable human being as long as you are a solid team mate and beast of a Football player…. curious to see how Ozzie Newsome will draft now that he is vowing to take scumbags off his draft board./..of course the day after he states that he will stop adding scum of the earth just because they can play football, their backup CB gets arrested for driving drunk as hell, 100 MPH in a 55mil an hour zone..
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id like to think we can draft good too, if we also consider sociopaths.. doesnt take a genius GM to know that DGB is a sick talent, yet some teams wont have him on their draft board and we will see him end up with one of the usual suspects who dont care what a piece of crap you are as long as you can play and dont screw up the locker room
I do not remember the Ravens or Pats drafting many scumbags. Nobody knew Ray Rice was a wife beater and while Hernandez smoked some weed in college, nobody thought he was a potential murderer.
I don’t think they thought he was a murderer but his troubles were more than smoking weed. He came from a bad crowd, and really being drafted by the Pats so close to his home was prob the worst thing for him.
Well part of that crowd was Riley Cooper and Percy Harvin.
no I mean the Hartford crowd. the crowd he ended up with when he murdered people.
I know, was just making fun of Riley Cooper (who wasnt a saint in high school either) and Harvin
herreman’s had an interesting interview on the fantaic. says chip should get mariota, says qb / ol are the only things that matter in the system, would be surprised if they kept mccoy at 10+ million
rather lose McCoy then Maclin…
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all i will say is CHIP better be as smart as he thinks he is… with the talent this guy is going to get rid of, he risks going down in history as a philadelhia Joke/Charlatan like Doug Collins who took a chainsaw to the sixers present and future… I do still trust that chip knows what he is doing, but I cant be ok with Losing our best young talent…
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for years im told we cant have the best in free agency because we need to make sure we are responsible with our money so we dont have to lose the top talent we draft and cultivate… now, i cant have elite Free agents, I have to settle knowing to only pay attention to most of the second tier guys, yet now we are also wiling to loose our best young talent over money? Dangerous game chip is playing, he better end up on the right side of this thing or he will find himself disgraced and chased out of Philly, knowing our fans and media….
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i can see the argument for losing Shady…. I cant see any argument for why we should lose Maclin after we paid Cooper and have such little money invested in the WR position especially when we get Coops money off the books next year….. and if we are going to continue with young developing QBs like Foles or everyones favorite Goldenboy Duck, might want some established NFL beasts that he can hand the ball off to and throw at, that he can count on helping our young QBs…
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personally I hate this shit… if you were going to get rid of the young players Andy drafted you should have ripped the bandaid off and had the balls to do it in year 1 and 2…. to be having these conversations going into year 3 when I expect results, is very very very disturbing to me;.. at some friggin Point I would like to spend an offseason BUILDING ON THE PRIOR year…. that isnt happening if every time we fill a hole, we create a new one at another position
could it be Maclin wants top dollar? how do we know this is all Chip’s fault.
And Maclin saying “I want to be back” isn’t proof of anything.
If Maclin wants FA money, and Chip thinks that’s too much, how do you blame him? There are limited resources.
you get what you pay for in life… Maclin stepped up in 4th quarters making BIG Catches at crucial moments with games on the line… he was Physical, he blocked like a beast…. more importantly he was on a 1 year prove it deal yet was still classy enough to take Jordan under his wing who the entire city was raving about… a contract year, round 2 WR drafted that looks really good and is the talk of Philly, instead of being Threatened by Jordan, he was a class act taking both Jordan and Huff under his wing, not to mention the example he set for the two puppies… you dont pay this man what he is worth, and IMO you are taking a dump over the culture you spent two years building.
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what message are you sending to your young players? do everything right, be a class act in every way, play well, but make sure you dont play TOO WELL that you find yourself on the way out?
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If Cobb is going to get 12mil offers from multiple franchises, then thinkingMac is only worth 9 mil is bullshit… you are worth what you can negotiate in life…and Maclin seems to be worth more then 9 million… say we are willing to give Mac 10, but we lose him because he signs for 12… I practically know for a fact, after a decade worth of proof that we wont spend every dollar of our cap.. those two million you saved losing Maclin, wont be spent on another position… I bet anything that when we are done signing everyone this year, draft picks, free agents, undrafted guys, that there will still be 4-5 mil left of unused Cap space, so how can I be ok with losing Maclin over an extra 2mil that wont be used upgrading this team anyway?
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especially when i know front offices care about how much they are spending on a position as a whole, not how much 1 of the WR is making, and as a whole, we dont have much money tied into WRs, thus we can afford to pay any WR whatever we want, with two of our top 4 WRs on cheap rookie deals the next 3 years, and coops money coming off the books next year
It’s the circle of life under Chippah: have a career year and get cut/traded/sign somewhere else the following year.
Don’t think I agree with this message to the players either.
im hoping this is all just bullshit media fan noise.. FINGERS CROSSED
Maybe it is not coincidence but causality. In Chip’s offense each WR had a career year. Maybe it’s Chip and not the WR.
It’s at least possible. But on the other hand: how do you explain Coopers 2014?
I see DJax, I see Mac, I see 2013 Riley, I see Matthews and I tend to agree with that thinking. But what about 2014 Riley? I mean, he was flat out awful.
Chip is learning from Belicheck. Get the QB you think you need, and RB and WR are waaaaay under that in terms of priority. Everyone is available in The Trade.
shady is more integral than mariota
Packers fans treat Brad Jones like we treat nate allen. they don’t think he was good, always made mistakes in key moments, had measurables but couldnt play. got a deal and quit trying.
I think he is here to fight for playing time, most likely be a backup and play special teams. Sounds good.
think he will have a hard enough time fighting to make our roster
Since we gave him a 500k signing bonus we are expecting him to make the team. Think he is 4th LB and special teamer who if he can put it together over the next 2 years could be more since he has the physical skills to be a good player.
if he is a lock to make the roster, i assume that puts Goode in some danger… because I assume kendricks, Meco and a LB will be drafted so 3 spots ahead of goode and Jones will be in place..
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the positive i assume is that he can be a solid LB on 3rd down giving us a backup for our two Nickel ILBs which we didnt have last year when Meco got hurt and we were forced to only play Base or 1 LB dime package….then again, a Healthy Goode can also fill that roles so Im wondering if Goode is going to be waived or is going to find it difficult to make the roster if this guy is a safe bet to make the roster….. unless we are crazy enough to think that we have so many other holes to address that we cant spend a top 4 round draft pick on an ILB this year… I would be prety disgusted if no ILB is drafted and we go into the season with ILBs:
Meco
Mykal
Goode
brad Jones
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I have to admit that type of a LB corp with Meco coming offa bad injury would disgust me. Hopefully a LB is drafted in spite of this asddittion
sounds about right… athletic LB, not living up to his potential
I read on the Pats blog that Belicheck probably thinks McCourty is loyal and they have a deal in place, you go test the market, then we will give you our offer and you can weigh our offer (and his loyalty) against the offer you got on the market.
I think Belicheck might be guessing wrong about how much the market might pay McCourty. I hope so at least. Loyalty only gets you so much.
I also read, fyi, that Revis is the priority. The blog seemed pretty sure McCourty will get to March 7th unsigned (they aren’t even in talks), but that he will come back to the Pats to discuss one last time. So if your goal was for the Eagles to at least get to talk to him, that should happen.
i absolutely expect Revis to be their priority… not tagging McCourty to me SCREAMS, big announcement on a Revis deal being right around the corner
and what do you think of Belicheck’s plan? Don’t you think someone will PAY McCourty?
mccourty vs revis?
hell yeah… he aint getting away with no one blowing away the top player on the market at the safety position… especially coming off a superbowl win, I think Bellicek is high if he thinks some team wont blow him away with a financial offer he cant pass up
ok good. He’s one of the guys I want the Eagles to get, but if not us, someone other than the Pats (who isn’t in the NFCE of course).
I think Belicheat thinks too much of himself and the Patriot Way sometimes.
ill be so dejected if they dont take this opportunity to take our secondary from Liability to strength… some really intruiging options for us, but not that many, so we have to move fast, aggressive and decisive..
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Safety: Both McCourty or Searcy pairing with Jenkins finally gives us peace at the safety position, which i practically forget what that feels like because its been so long since we had two real talents back there…Jenkins signing got us halfway there, lets finish the job in this years free agent market and build one of the better safety Tandems in the NFL pairing Searcy/McCourty with Jenkins..
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doubt we will ever be seeing many free agent corners in their prime, with Maxwells size and resume hitting the open market.. only a unique situation like the seattle defense having so much DB talent that they cant pay them all gives us this opportunity to be able to sign a real stud CB…i dont even have words for the Euphoria i would feel hearing the eagles announce the signing of one of the two safeties and Byron Maxwell. but if we cant have him, hopefully a guy Like Davon House will be allowed to hit the open market
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if you are ever looking for elite DBs in free agency, I dont know what more you can expect then a chance at signing a top safety who happens to fit your scheme perfectly and be a great mirrored Compliment to Malcolm Jenkins.. high character, championship pedigree..
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and how many bigger, better, more battle tested Big, strong CB’s like Byron Maxwell will we actually see reach free agency in the future.,..
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dont know what better opportunity we can be waiting for then the oportunity this years market will present to making our secondary into a strength… Heck if you sign Max and McCourty which is almost too good for me to even type or talk about, we could be looking at a secondary with 4 recent superbowl champion starters…
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CB Champion with the Ravens Cary Williams
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Safety (CB at the time) superbowl Champion with the saints Malcolm Jenkins
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Recent Superbowl Champ McCourty
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SB Champion Byron Maxwell from the seahawks
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Pair THAT with our front 7, and we are ready for War!!!
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btw, yes I know that if we sign two studs like those DBs we would cut Cary and replace him on the outside with Nolan Carroll…just speaking in best case ideal scenarios..
It’s a shame we’re stuck with Cooper, otherwise any of these FA receivers would be a huge upgrade.
There is a way to ditch him, I am not sure of the details but there is an article floating around about it (I think on BGN)
june 1st him, wont happen.
I dunno… there are some solid WR, but I have a feeling I wont like them at the price tag they end up signing for… I like Cobb alot, but I wouldnt pay that type of money for a tiny Slot WR type. not the 12mil he is talking… Torrey Smith thinks he is sooooo much betterthen he is IMO and I cant imagine it being much fun negotiating with his people this year… He will be like Riley Cooper, a guy who has game, but whos play wont live up to the Big Money they got….Like a cheaper MIke Wallace type that some team will regret…;I was always intruiged at what Cecil Short would look like in a quality offense that actually had a QB but his injury history is a turn off….. I really really dont think this free agent Market is as good as others think.. we are talking about good players but guys I dont trust to live up to the money they will get…. where as if I play Maclin and stick him in this offense, Im confident he will continue to produce like a BAD MAN!!!!! i dont have to worry about him getting arrested in the offseason, and he helps raise and set greats examples to our young WR’s….. I can confidently say that if we pay Maclin and keep him in this offense his production will match up with the expensive price we pay, where as Im not comfortable saying that about any of the other Free agents who avoided the franchise Tag at WR…. heck, imagine what Maclin would command if Foles played all 16 games? big drop off when Sanchez came in, he didnt have the big arm and the chemistry with Maclin that Foles had,,.. if Foles didnt get Hurt, we may be talking about Maclin getting 14-15mil from some crazy team this year
yeah cobb not coming here
Woo hoo, I predicted Andre Johnson could be a target way back in the day. Make me right for once Eagles! Andre is a beast who has played with shit QB’s for so long people have forgotten how good he is.
Can’t count on him in my opinion… too many hamstring issues.
good point… think anon brought up his age in our tempo offense, and the Hammy history also has to be considered especially in our offensive Tempo.
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I assume a team that thinks they are on the doorstep of reaching the superbowl would target him….. thats not us..
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if I had to bet money on where he ends up playing this year, id probably say the safe money would be on the usual suspects, The Patriots and seahawk type teams… maybe the Ravens miss Anquan Boldin, lose Torrey and look to him as stop gap help…but Andre and steve smith would make them pretty old at the position
what gives you any confidence we would sign him?
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I assume a team that signs him would do so viewing him as someone who could get them over the top and help them win a SB….if we trade the farm for Marriotta, we can forget competing for a SB this year, and we will have traded away a bunch of high draft picks that we can build a team with the next two years..
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Truth is, I have always been a andre fan, and would love to have him for Nick Foles…. but id be pretty pleasantly surprised to see us add a veteran like him who you add to get over the hump, when we arent close enough to be thinking about a “get over the hump” signing
I wonder what the holdup is with Maclin? Maybe it’s years or guaranteed money? How come our crack Philly reporters always have “sources” with knowledge of gangs and offices being moved, but not this?
yeah philly media knows nothing. it’s sad really.
id rather them know nothing then Elliot Shorr Parks who ranges from Making things up, to being consistently used as a vehicle to spread mis information by “sources” who most likely dont respect him… Knowing Nothing would be an upgrade for our media.
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I swear what Makes Tom Lawlor so good is that he is down south and he isnt being corrupted by the daily stench of our local media every single day…
you’re wrong — they have “evidence” AND “someone close the situation”….
if murray can only get 6-7 a year do we restructure shady?
or sign him? and trade shady? just an add on question..
i wouldn’t sign him w/ all those touches.
true.. i think he was playing injured all year.. if it wasn’t a contract year he might have played 10 games.. and then to reward him they let him walk… rough
yeah they did him dirty
like Jerry Jones’ glasses…
if we cut shady and look to replace him with an elite RB.. the only guys I would have interest in are AP, and Jamaal Charles/Laveon Bell(who both probably arent even available)
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if we pay top dollar for a dirty stinking Cowboy, rather go all the way and add the VIKING GOD!!!
Might be smarter to swallow McCoy’s cap number this year since his price goes down severely for the rest of his contract.
Restructuring means pushing money to the future for a player who may have limited returns -a real Jerry Jones move.
I’m no scout (especially in the secondary, which I only recently began watching coaching film on and have only relatively recently begun really understanding coverage) so all I have is the buzz on Devon McCourty. He sounds like the ideal fit to play opposite Jenkins. My question to the people who know what they’re talking about, is he really that good? Chung was adequate with Belichick before (that’s why we signed him) and after his horrid year here when he had the benefit Belichick and his system.
So is McCourty a good safety in a great system, or truly a Marquee safety in this league? Is this really the opportunity that we absolutely can’t afford to miss?
ill say Revis looked great and is great so maybe McC is as good as advertised.. they cant all be Chungs in that secondary..
He’s definitely better than Chung at least, I’m just reticent of paying like we’re getting Earl Thomas and getting Malcolm Jenkins quality (which is a pretty good safety). And who knows, maybe the upgrade from Nate to very good is worth the money. All worthy of discussion.
I don’t care how much a guy gets paid, just don’t limit the team’s ability to fill other roster holes by allocating too much to one player.
If he costs a bazillion dollars and makes the team better, great.
If we were to sign him, my honest expectations would be that he would provide a little more then Jenkins, but i dont see him outclassing Jenkins to where we should see an insane difference between Jenkins price Tag and McCourty’s.. of course its not that simple with the changes in the cap, a different safety market, being the top guy at the position who is also coming off a superbowl win… if you think really highly of Malcom Jenkins then you will be pleased with McCourty… if you are one of the fans who think Jenkins is just average, McCourty may not live up to your expectations as a playmaker considering the price he probably will command.
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but easily Jenkins/McCourty can be one of the top 12 safety tandems in the NFL, and we are talking about a guy that fits our scheme and what we look for out of the position and what we look for out of a locker room presence like a glove(Not an OJ glove), so I dont think we can go wrong with siging a guy who will legitimately solidify the position once and for all that has been a true weakness since we lost Dawk which what feels like was Decades ago.
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you pay McCourty and you will be happy and you wont be worried about trying to upgrade the safety position for the next 3 years..
mccourty is way better at covering and still plays STs
McCourty is excellent in coverage, but i dont think Jenkins got the full credit he deserved this year..I remember Games where he completely Erased the guys he was matched up against as a target. When he was on Whitten, he wasnt even a Target and that hasnt happened often in a long history of playing against that TE, yes I know he is on the decline but there were multiple times this year where Jenkins wasnt being a playmaker, but he was so solid in coverage that he was completely discouraging opposing QBs to throw his way….of course its probably not that simple when a QB is looking looking at Bradley Fletcher, Nate allen, Cary WIlliams as his other options…. but I do think Malcolm Jenkins will be better for us than I lot of people think.. his best is still to come, I dont believe he will just be solid, I think he can make a difference for us, so to say McCourty isnt THAT much better then him in this scheme for me is not intended as a slight on McCourty, more in my belief in Jenkins abilities and how well they work with our defense, and I know I should be able to see him reach a higher level now that he will have gelled and built some continuity with the rest of the eagles defense… played really well last year for a guy thrust into an important role on a defense that had some liabilities around him… his best is yet to come as an eagle…he will be one of the good ones… we will view Jenkins sort of how we view Demeco
The big question is the $’s and i have no idea how his market will shake out. Safety is a wierd position, Byrd got $9mil with $18mil guaranteed. Earl Thomas got $10mil a year but only signed for 4 years. However otherwise there is a real salary Ceiling of $8mil per year and even that drops off fast.
I have a lot of interest at $8mil a year but if bidding goes to $10-11mil i am looking else where. Will be very interesting to see the numbers.
absolutely!!! I dont know what to think… I know that there are two safeties that I would love to see in eagle green, McCourty and Searcy.. I have no idea what type of contract they will command…. I know I dont want Ron Parker, i know Marcus Gilchrist can be a solid Nolan Carroll type of signing/fall back plan…. but what I dont know is how good Rahim Moore is… I dont know if i can put on him up there with McCourty and Searcy or if he is the top guy in the next tier of safety talent…
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If Rahim isnt up there with the other two and its really a two horse race I think $ has to dictate the Target..what I mean is, say Both Searcy and McCourty command ridiculous top Dollar and there is a minimal difference between their price Tag, I think you have to target McCourty…. But if there ends up being a nice difference between how much McCourty gets coming off a superbowl and Searcy costing a few million cheaper, then id consider going for Searcy instead…
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I know McCourty will be viewed as the Prize, I just struggle with how Searcy’s price will compare to the BIG MONEY i know McCouirty will command…
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and if Rahim Moore is up there with those two safeties, then everything gets more complicated, but atleast we would have another option increasing our odds at eliminating this damn safety position as a need that has plagued us for too long….I just really dont have a good grasp on Rahim’s game, his growth rate or his ceiling and how much of it has been realized up to this point…
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The restricted kid from the Browns Gipson is who i would love to get out hands on but its rare to see teams lose restricted free agents they wanted to keep
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want nothing to do with Rob Parker, if we pay for a big money corner like Maxwell and have to set our sites on a cheaper safety, Marcus Gilchrist would probably be who i would be most comfortable with
I think we’ll get an answer on how good we think Moore is pretty soon since we just signed his old DB coach.
Good read on Rahim Moore. Don’t think he’s as bad as fans claim he is:
http://www.milehighreport.com/2014/2/21/5402552/scouting-the-broncos-vets-safety-rahim-moore
thank you appreciate it…. dont assume that familiarity is always positive.. for all we know his DB coach could know things about him that turn us off or make us think we can do better… Familiarity is always assumed as if they will view that player as a positive who they must have at the next stop, but in reality it can go both ways.. it can make you more attractive to a team, or it can make you a turnoff… just saying… Thanks for the read tho, i want to check it out
Yup. That was the point I was trying to make. His DB coach should have insight into what he can or cannot do well, which leads to discussion on how he would impact our defensive scheme, both bad and good.
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1 Random point, was looking at safety contracts around the league and was looking at the Saints Cap situation…..
http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints
Wow. That is horrible, and there are no easy fixes either, there are people with big cap numbers who are hard or impossible to cut at this point, and big restructures will just delay the problems to next year.
As bad a rap as how gets in Philly (i don’t really understand why frankly) at least we are always in a situation were we dont need to cut good players to get under the cap.
Jake Rosenberg has been doing contracts and the cap for the past 3 years. So howie didn’t do anything.
I don’t understand if this is sarcastic or ironic or what. Who said anything about Howie?
I imagine when he said “as bad a rap as “how” gets he meant Howie.
Ah, I see. That very well could be.
I reworded the whole thing to “As bad a rap as Philly gets…,” figuring he went back and reworked it but didn’t delete everything he should have.
yeah but that doesn’t make any sense because I think it is universally considered that the eagles team is run rather well.
Was just a typo, was just meant to be Howie….
nfl cap is smoke and mirrors. As you said — they’ll have to deal with it next year — where they’ll restructure and then deal with that they year after…
this is true… until you start talking about potentially losing quality top talent like Maclin… The way we manage our cap and dont make free agent splashes, its embarrassing to lose the top talent we draft over an extra mil or two…
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If you arent going to sign top free agents THATS FINE…But you cant then let top players you hit on in the draft get away when its time to pay them… Ozzie newsome gets away with it because he consistently hit on drafts to where he was losing good players but getting a ton of compensatory value.. of course they havent wont anything since they won the superbowl which was before they really started to lose guys who were in their prime like ellerbe, kruger, and key veterans like Boldin… since Newsome recent strategy change he gets praise, but he hasnt actual won anything since shifting to this philsosphy where he is so ok with losing players you draft when they reach their second contract…
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I dont see us having been SO GOOD at drafting players, that we cant afford to keep all our young talent when we roll over 10mil in cap every year instead of spending it on free agency,…need Talent, chose how you want to go about getting it, via draft and develop or via top free agents… but you cant do neither and expect to bring a ring to philly…dont care how brilliant you are
I knew that there were a fair few teams with good cap space available, but looking at it this could be a crazy FA season, with new bench marks being set for players, currently there is nearly $730mil of cap space available to teams, and that is before full cuts and restructures come through. We will probably be looking at $800mil+ of available by the time we get to the 10th.
Now not all that will be spent in FA, a fair few extensions will be handed out to players already on rosters but that is a lot of cash out there.
Also Jesus Christ the Jags have a lot of cap space – $68mil is crazy.
They could make it very Difficult for us to sign Byron Maxwell, they can also make a splash for Donkey Kong Suh..
The Jaguars are “very interested” in free agent Brian Orakpo.
The Jaguars have already been linked to top free agents Devin McCourty and DeMarco Murray, so add another one to the list. Jacksonville has the cap space to take on several big contracts, and if that means anything, they’re going to land at least one top flight free agent. Orakpo could be that player, though the Jags won’t be alone in their pursuit. The Falcons have expressed interest in Orakpo while the Redskins haven’t given up on re-signing the three-time Pro Bowler.
Related: Jaguars
Source: Diana Marie Russini on Twitter
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bradley could be gone if he can’t get the team right
apprently the Jags are going to build the best defense/ running team in the NFL with all the guys they are linked to lol:
Suh
Orakpo
McCourty
Maxwell
and “Their version of Beastmode”, Demarco Murray?
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might as well bring Albert Haynsworth out of retirement while they are at it…. Dan Snyder, is that you?
Breaking News!!!! Nick Foles was traded to Kansas City for Justin Houston who agreed to a new contract with the eagles removing his franchise tag!!!!
siiiiiiiiike!!!!!! 🙂 i joke i joke, I kid, I kid….
Made me refresh twitter 🙁
lol i tried to post that it was a joke before people refreshed…my bad
Of all the lame posts, at least this one was short.
Where’s the Banhammer when you need him?
New Eagles ILB Brad Jones will average a base salary of $1.45M, with some upside based on playing time. $500K signing bonus.
special team aces Bryan Braman and Chris Maragos are set to earn a base salary of $1.2 million in 2015.
Sconces was released.
nobody is safe
As long as Chip doesn’t start cutting himself… i think we’ll be alright.
Not sure I like losing 3/4 of the secondary…interesting to see who they bring in.
why? because what was there was great?
Because continuity helps. Part of the reason our secondary was so great in early 2000s is because Dawk, Troy and Bobby had been playing together for so long.
well, they were a lot more talented than what we had last year….
Continuity is great, but only when it’s continuous good and not continuous sucking. Every group that has been together a long time at some point were new to each other.
I didn’t say keep everyone. Cary wasn’t that bad with the Ravens when he had a decent safety behind him. I say decent because Ed Reed hasn’t been HOFer Ed Reed in quite some time.
cary was also a backup
He started his last two years there, including their Super Bowl run (also over Jimmy Smith).
Did continuity help our secondary this year? Jenkins was the only decent player, and he was new!
bingo…
Yes, but 3/4 of our secondary equates to roughly 1/5 of a real secondary, so it’s not that bad…
i hope its safe to assume Bradley is gone… but bringing him, back for cheap unfortunately worries me knowing the eagles.. even in a backup role, I want him gone. i want to lose 3/4ths of the secondary so they have no choice and cant dick around with upgrading it
cough — Nate Allen — cough cough…
EXACTLY!! precedent for my personal NIGHTMARE!!! they better not fuck this up and extend Brad for cheap… I will be so pissed that they try and hoodwink us cutting bad Cary, for a worse/.cheaper Brad…. they better not dare. The days of eagles pulling that crap had better be behind us. this is year 3, stop playing games.
i’d be ok, brad wasn’t terrible if he had decent help over top. he’d play for like 2-3 milllion. put maxwell and mccourty and i think we’ll live.
$2-3M for Fletcher? No thanks. I’ll take him at the veteran minimum with incentives.
The most important part, after the fact Cary won’t be here anymore, imho is:
Cary Williams “They didn’t give me a chance to take a pay cut or come back to the team… That’s their decision.”
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/03/03/making-sense-cary-williams-release/
So they didn’t want him anymore, it’s not just about the cap hit.
Makes me more optimistic that we won’t see Fletcher and Allen again. Cary was far, far from good, but Fletch and Allen were worse.
Now, they could just assume Cary won’t sign a contract they believe he’s worth. But it’s more likely they want to upgrade the position. And that’s very, very important.
i could see allen coming back again. but maybe that’s just the old way of things — maybe we’re finally in the CK ERA.
thats a good argument… and im certainly rooting for your scenario… its just the bringing back Nate allen for cheap Late in the process last year is stuck in the back of my throat… I will be really pumped to learn that you are right and going forward we can count on decisions being made about the level of player, instead of using finances to justify keeping crap…If they dont bring back Cary and Brad after going into the Market without both starting corners, it will be enough to alleviate these future concerns that bringing back Nate for cheap has traumatized me…. To know that bargains arent being factored into the equation and its a complete football upgrade decision would be very exciting for me. that what years of Banner and howie will do to a fan lol
But we have to be honest: 2013 Nate showed at least some (small) promise. I didn’t LIKE the resigning, but it wasn’t a total disaster for me.
2014 Nate was a different kind of animal. Not only was there no progress, there was regression.
I’m not saying Fletch and Nate won’t be back (I sure hope, but we can’t be sure), but I don’t think it’s very likely.
been too bad for too long at safety to get excited over average… get a safety who wont let WR get behind him and we beat the Cardinals… im tired of hoping Nate can atleast be average… we been too poor for too long at safety while im stuck watching Grab fanbases like the bills keep pulling quality safeties of their ass. every year they lose a qulity safety or two, and its like for evey safety they lose, 3 more regenerate… I can hope for average for another year, especially since Jenkins solved half the problem.. 1 quality safety addittion and we can not talk about the damn position for a couple years.. i nee a break from wanting safetries
Me too, Geag. I was just saying the re-signing of Nate was far worse in retrospect than it was at the time of the signing.
hmmmmmmmmm. if they dont do something ridiculous and bring back Bradley Fletcher, this would make it safe to assume we aggressively go after some quality..hopefully its the ELITE Byron Maxwell type, instead of that next tier davon House type of “quality”.
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color me excited!!! just dont ruin it by bringing back bradley as a back up… he cant turn around when defending a pass, no reason to have him turn around when he is halfway out of the novacare doors!! Off with Sconces head! Off with Bradleys Head! actualy Brad was so bad he should have to Hari Kari off himself, Japanese Samurai style for shaming past Eagle corners not named DRC and Nnamdi..
Bring on Maxwell to replace Cary, bring in House to compete with Carroll for the other CB position, sign McCourtey or Searcy, grab Worilds and BOOM the defense is fixed.
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Yea I know a lot to ask for but one can hope and this seems somewhat realistic lol
dude, im not even going to be greedy.. Get Maxwell, and Id gladly go into nbext season with Nolan on the other side and a rookie CB behind him..
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Im friggin proud and thrilled that this front office is having the balls to go into the market without Cary and Brad. Its better then I expected, and its more then I gave the front office credit for… nothing makes me fucking hapier then being wrong when being wrong is a positive for the eagles… I didnt expect them to have the balls to cut both loose this year. I didnt believe we would hold them hostage until we saw what we can sign in free agency bercause chip seems to really value being classy and not jerking his players future around when its time to replace them..so Im thrilled, Im excited, Im shocked.. I was mentally prepared for a slower DB upgrade..Maybe upgrade Brad and Nate This year, upgrade Cary and Nolan Next year…but Im thrilled to see them do better then I gave them credit for (assuming they dont screw it up with bringing back Bradley)….im also a little nervous because we still have to see the other shoe drop and sign quality replacements.
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But Knowing How thorough Chip is, Im assuming we have had some really encouraging talks with atleast one of the higher level free agent corners for us to be ok with going into the open market having lost both starting corners…. The good part is it also announces to the Top free Agent corners, that there is a Giant hole at their position on a pretty solid franchise… Some teams will make offer to guys but they also have some young quality on the bench at the position,. but whenb we make an outside CB an option, he has nothing to worry about, we have no one else. there is no young outside CB being groomed to eventually take his spot
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the eagles practically put the top CBs in the NFL on notice that we have a GIANT OPENING waiting for you with little to no competition that you need to be concerned with…Hopefully this can compete with the money some bad franchise like the Jags or snyder throws at our DB targets… im excited/nervous…and friggin jittery for the next week… not every day you go into free agency so naked at a position.
yeah could can see the difference now that howie is gone.
For all we know, maybe Chip likes FA and wants to to be aggressive. Chip views the draft as a crap shoot, maybe he thinks signing players with NFL film is worth something.
I’m not saying that’s the case, but it could be. Maybe Chip was telling Howie to be more aggressive in FA and he refused, because he does believe in building through the draft.
Or, the old elephant in the room, Chip is in total win now mode and says: we need every hole filled in FA because I’m trading the house for Mariota. Who knows at this point? I sure don’t.
all fair questions/realistic possibilities..
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my personal worry is that chip and gamble were over ruling howie and chip was getting everything he wanted anyway this entire time in which case we wont see some drastic change with how the eagles operate… but it would be pretty exciting if our past frustrations will be erased now that howie has been removed and its all chip all the time…
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then again, its probably reasonable to continue to see chip grow into his NFL job, learning from past success and failures in his first two years in the NFL, going into year I would assume chip has grown alot since 3 years ago when he was a week away from the opening of his first nfl free agent market….
Seems like that would follow with his philosophy of drafting guys that have an established track record at their position. I think it’s safe to say that Chip likes known quantities, even if they’re lesser quantities, over inconsistency. He can scheme to overcome some lack of talent, but if the player is inconsistent, the scheme becomes somewhat irrelevant.
Like the way he schemed around Fletcher’s lack of talent?
I appreciate your enthusiasm, but all last month you were screaming to anyone who would listen that there was ZERO chance the Eagles would go into the offseason needing to replace 3/4 their secondary. This was an unfathomable scenario.
Why the flip?
WILLIAMS GONE!!!
good.
And the cap space increases! Really interested to see what happens in a week.
probably once they saw mccourty wasn’t tagged they needed to clear the cap space.
devilish grin over here!!!
or the Eagles want to be the team with the most available cap going into the season …
Damn, thought I was first to say it, but I had the comments listed as oldest first…lol
I bet Chip waited to let Sconces go as a favor to him: Less chance of a team signing him early and overworking him in practice.
Hasn’t really been said, but with Spiller a FA is it a possibility that Shady is traded or cut and Spiller signed? We all know Chip wanted him but couldn’t get him so we got Sproles instead. Sproles is getting up there in age.
anything could happen at this point
i wondered the same thing, but the devils advocate argument i came up with is that Spiller was in consideration to compliment shady. He was supposed to be the Darren Sproles, before we were able to get Sproles…so we didnt look at him as a replacement for shady in the past, hopefully they arent thinking that now..inferior player, shady is more durable. I would not be pleased…Id rather go with Polk, sproles and a rookie
me too, or a big back, tackle breaker. He’ll i’d pay frank gore $5m.
I’d have taken Gore in a heartbeat 2-3 years ago. His one cut and go ability in this offense would be nasty.
That’s why I was thinking Chip may use more of a committee approach. All three used more. Or the draft is deep at RB, and the plan is to draft one.
can’t sub w/ blur offense. but it became clear to me last year that mccoy was coming out on passing situations, and then polk was going on short yardage…
That is true, I didn’t think about lack of subs due to the high temp O. Good call.
Despite Howie’s office been moved away further at the novacare complex I can’t help myself to believe that Chip walked in his office and telling him:
Get me Maxwell, McCourty and McPhee. I don’t care how, just do it, Mr cap guy!!!!
🙂
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..hate teams that dick around with the very Elite:
“Chiefs placed the franchise tag on OLB Justin Houston.
Houston’s one-year tender will be worth roughly $13.1M. It’s a bargain deal for a player that has emerged as a truly elite edge defender, leading the league in sacks with 22 last season (just a half-sack short of Michael Strahan’s NFL record). Over the last three years, Houston has ranked first, first and fourth in PFF’s 3-4 OLB grades — and he’s just 26 years old. The Chiefs will continue to try to get a long-term deal worked out, but they were never going to let Houston play anywhere else in 2015. If Houston had hit the open market, he would have rivaled Ndamukong Suh for the richest free-agent contract.”-roto
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you are fortunate enough to have one of the top 2 players at one of the most important and expensive positions in the game.. WTF is there to consider or debate? Crap, or get off the pot, you want the very best, after he proved himself dominant in multiple seasons, its not complicated.. Houston and Robert Quinn need to be the richest edge rushers in the NFL, PERIOD! sign the check, or try to get value for him in a trade… What is there to talk about? you pay for the best, or you dont get to have the best…no reason to keep this kid hostage after how he has performed in multiple seasons.. Dudes a MONSTER and KC should consider the,selves fortunate to have the privilege of making him the highest paid edge rusher in the game… DOPES!
some how I picture Chip with his eagle visor, riding around Novacare, barging into Howies office riding a segway…
I just don’t see us having interest in a 280lbs OLB.
big guys beat up little guys bro, big guys beat up little guys.
Massive oversimplicfication.
Connor Barwin is 270
Connor is taller and much closer to 260-265 range. You can’t tell me they are remotely similar in body composition.
I would venture a guess, that if McPhee is a target, its because he will primarily be a runstopper and pass rusher, hence being able to be heavier since he won’t have to cover much. Let Barwin do the cover thing, at the price of not being a perfectly symmetrical defense.
Even so, I can’t really imagine that McPhee is a prime target for us.
McPhee was Vinny Curry 12 months ago. If we wanted that player, just move Vinny out there.
replace McPhee with Hughes and it’s still happy daze….
Worilds
I hear it’s a long walk to Howie’s office–I rather imagine him using the intercom.
Inter-office pneumatic tube.
Please tell me someone, somewhere used the following headline: “Sconces Gonces!”
Yeah, I thought he was too well ensconced to be let go.
This author appears to have had inside information:
http://unskinnyboppy.com/2012/03/how-to-replace-sconce-light-for/
Great read! I didn’t realize Chris Brown from smartfootball uses the pseudonym “beth at unskinny boppy” but I totally got all the metaphors… like how “I’ve had some Cabela’s gift cards lying around since Christmas” is really a nod to the roster-cut cap space they knew they’d have after the Washington debacle at the end of the season.
Right. And this little nugget leads me to believe that Chip will be delineating between offense, defense and special teams:
“Once the paint was dry he simply twisted the wires that are in the wall together with the wires that are inside the new light. Black to black; white to white, copper to copper (ground wire). I know it looks like we have twisted white with black here but the black wire had white paint on it.”
That last part sounds like an in-house player will be moving to the other side of the ball. Intriguing.
A shuffling of lockers for sure. And – in retrospect – this seemingly innocuous line is actually prescient commentary on Chip Kelly’s front-office philosophy:
“Even if you grow tired of a light fixture, it seems like a hassle to hire an electrician to come out just to change out a few lights. Well, I’m here to tell y’all that it’s really not that hard to DIY this type of thing.”
Really, this is article illuminates our entire offseason plan in a nice, even, overhead light:
“Since our old fixture was oval and the new one was round I had to break out the touch up paint. This added some time to the project but was definitely necessary.”
I don’t think there will be any more need for conversations over BG, that’s for sure.
Now that we’ve unearthed this Rosetta stone let’s make sure to return to http://unskinnyboppy.com/ throughout the season for other coded clues. For example, the most recent post is “Playroom Planning” and uses the clever guise of an attic conversion to discuss – I assume – tweaking orbit motion to generate more space for the inside zone.
For the record, I don’t see white/black and copper. I see gold, purple and green.
You must be following the European model.
#rebuild
#reload.
chip kelly #braveheart… HE AINT SCREWING AROUND!!
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I do think there is a lesson to be learned here now that its happened a few times already:
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the notion that chip will hold on to players that he wants to replace and screw with their future by first seeing if we can replace them in free agency and then eventually cutting them when they land their replacement and teams already spent most of their free agent money wont be happing under chip kelly. he is too classy for that, and he has real honor when it comes to discarding players and coaches and prioritizes giving them the best chance to land on their feet, even when in reality its probably smarter for us to hold on to them until we get an upgrades signature
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gotta respect chip for this…and in the future, reporters cant say that we will hold onto so and so and wait to see if we can replace him before we cut him,,.because I think its safe to say now after 3 years that chip is too classy to be that ruthless even if being that ruthless is best for business, he wont do it at the expense of the player he is discardings future… gotta respect that..
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hopefully as we gain more year 3 data we can start to figure out other trends of how chip will operate
Chip has certainly balls by doing it his way. Let’s just hope it won’t come back to haunt him otherwise he’ll go go down as one of the biggest faliures in Eagles history.
Biggest failures in Eagles history? That will be a tough list to get onto. We have had some spectacular failures.
Yeah, having two 10-win seasons probably is going to disqualify him from the Hall of Shame.
But very rarely ones with that much (young) talent to begin and play with…
he isnt there yet… but if the assumptions we are starting to throw around turn out to be true, like cutting shady, not paying Macllin, possibly trading Foles, after we already cut desan…if chip kelly ends up making all the crazy decisions that are starting to get thrown around he better be a massive success or he is going to risk going down as a philly charlatan like Doug Collins… whether its fair or not, we know this city, this media and this fanbase.. we still cry over Earl Thomas… if Chip get rid of all that proven young talent and fails, it will not be a pretty divorce for him in this city
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hopefully its all just silly media and negadelphian fan talk and we have no intention of losing shady, mac or foles..
why is he going down as anything? how many SB’s do we already have? If he has a vision and wants to execute it, let him.
It’s never a pretty divorce from the city except for maybe Buddy Ryan. Dick Vermeil.
So if you fail, it’s not pretty no matter what you do.
there is a difference between failing in the present and doing what doug collins did to the sixers, take a chain saw to its present and future,.,.chip wont be here forever, when he leaves he shouldnt leave such a mess that it takes the next GM like two years just to strip the franchise of all the mistakes and get us to ground zero…
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sam hinkie gets alot of shit in philly but he inherited a disgrace of a mess that Doug Collins left behind him and ran away from to the point that hinkie had to spentt he first year and a half on the demolish phase alone..
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fail all you want, but fail in the present. dont trade away the next 3 years of a franchises future, if you arent willing to stick it out those next 3 years….
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it was a disgrace the shape andy left this franchise in, but atleast he had built up so much cache that we gave him such a long ropes allowing him to make that big of a mess… the end of the andy era turned into like a degenerate gambler who lost money and keeps chasinghis losses with more and more gambles that he just kept losing, digging a bigger and bigger hole…
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Heh.
When a certain pompous loudmouth on this board starts reminding everyone of how “right” he was when a random player is signed, remember he also said Cary would definitely be back next year.
I said no such thing! Wait, a different pompous loudmouth?
Cary Williams “They didn’t give me a chance to take a pay cut or come back to the team… That’s their decision.”
CK is ruthless with it.
He would have just called a press conference and complained about how unfair Chip Kelly was being to him.
I don’t remember — was he the one who complained he was too tired because of Chips practices?
yep, after the washington game, when Djax torched him.
lmao. Maybe CK decided right then and there…lol.
My biggest problem was all the tough guy bullcrap and trying to fight WR’s and he was an absolutely pathetic tackler. He just sold it better than DRC.
yes it was him, who else would be crazy enough to say that… im pretty sure he also was crazy enough to say it after the skins game when desean tore up the secondary…smh.. miss that psycho,
Cary never bought in to the culture.
he certainly had some balls tho…. you have to be a real maniac to make the comments about being fatigued, ripping your coaches practice methods….maybe you can say stuff like that if you are Richard Sherman… but you have to be a true maniac to run your mouth like that if you are Cary… im not going to lie, part of me will miss having that asshole fighting for our defense.. atleast he didnt get burned playing scared or soft… If an Eagle defender has to suck, go down swinging, and suck being aggressive ornery prick..and for that, I will miss the Dude…also appreciate him helping to atleast try to put some teeth back into this defense after the historic embarrassment of how soft the 2012 eagle defense was……fingers crossed we are on to bigger and better things….
They were afraid he might say yes.
As far as Williams goes, not sad to see him leave at all. Guy pissed me off. He had the talent to play much better than he did. He’d have games where he shut down elite receivers. Then, he’d let himself get burned by nobodies. Then you have his skipping minicamps, crying about having to run so much. Get your ass in shape, you bum. When you’re making as much money as he was, I don’t want to hear about him being tired because he’s not in proper cardiovascular shape. All in all, the guy just wasn’t committed to being the best he could be. Good riddance.
you think it’s nolan and maxwell? nolan and the second year guy?
I think it’s Maxwell and a lower-tier corner to compete with Carroll, Watkins, and a draft pick.
One above average corner and one totally crappy corner would be a tremendous upgrade. Let’s hope Maxwell comes to Philly.
since Howie does contracts is there a point when Chip walks in and says, “what the hell are you doing with maclin, lets go, sign him up”.
I’m sure there is a constant dialogue. It’s not like Chip woke up this morning turned on ESPN and was like “wait, we didn’t franchise Maclin?”
And to the conspiracy theorist, no Howie isn’t sandbagging the team either.
Yes, but that doesn’t comport with the “divided house” narrative!!! Didn’t you read all about how Howie’s office was MOVED ACROSS THE BUILDING? I mean, there’s almost no way for them to communicate now!
Howie went to walk over to Chips office, but was arrested for walking on the grass…
Their communication shifted and now resembles the kind I have with my ex-wife… only via email, and only when it has to do with kids being sick or school events. All other communication is blocked.
“It’s not like Chip woke up this morning turned on ESPN and was like “wait, we didn’t franchise Maclin?””
Lol. “I knew I forgot something yesterday.”
On the other hand, it’s at least possible that there are some poorly run teams were that’s really the case for the HC. Of course not HCs with final say, but there are very few who have that.
then Chip gets on here to see what he should do.
if chip wanted maclin he’d be signed already.
He wants Maclin for a “fair” price not an “elite” price. Still, I believe either way, he will sign Mac.
It’s easy to tell who Chip likes and who he doesn’t. When Avant and Herremanns were cut, there’s a statement from Kelly praising the player. With MeSean and Sconces, silence.
Just riding around like…
dang, how many years did we wait and complain we had no receivers for Number 5? and we were all right about it turns out, because 1 year we got 1 and went to the SB. I sure hope we aren’t back there saying we just need one really good receiver to get us there again… because we are in danger of losing 2 in consecutive years. regardless of what we think about the one we lost last year…
Culture beats scheme. Just ask Riley Cooper…
we got beat by 6 schemes last year, and one of them was the skins
This could complicate signing Maxwell, if he is targeted:
Adam Schefter
5 mins ·
One
week before free agency, Seahawks CB Byron Maxwell is making the
unusual move of changing agents just before he hits the market. Maxwell
informed his now former agent, Jason Chayut, that he planned to hire a
new agent in the next week, league sources said Tuesday. It is rare for a
player to change agents this close to free agency and two general
managers who were made aware of the change the past 48 hours said they
didn’t understand why a player would make a move like that now. The
timing is peculiar because Maxwell’s former agents spent the past year,
and the week at the combine in Indianapolis, gauging their former
clients’ value and trying to figure out the best place for him to be.
“Why would you do that?” asked one NFL general manager. “It makes
navigating the free-agent market confusing.” Under NFLPA bylaws, a
player must wait five days to hire a new agent, so Maxwell is not
allowed to officially hire a new agent until this weekend. Chayut has a
strong reputation in league circles, particularly in working with
cornerbacks, having represented players such as Houston’s Jonathan
Joseph, Chicago’s Tim Jennings, Buffalo’s Stephen Gilmore and former
Falcons cornerback Dunta Robinson. Contacted Tuesday, Chayut declined
comment.
This is good, though. He’s signing with Ben Dogra, who in the past the Eagles have had a good relationship with. He’s Howie’s boy.
nice, yeah we always did good business with him… plus I assume the Eagles heard about this before they waived Cary
Wouldn’t be shocked if they basically have a deal done
Good intel GR. Maybe Maxwell is thinking Eagles over Jets now?
roto is now saying Jets have interest in stealing Revis back… hopefuilly between cromartie and Revis the jets leave Maxwell alone… but we still have to worry about Gus Bradly having a ton of money to spend and surely wouldnt mind a DB from the LOB
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revis is the smartest businessman in the NFL, out of all the elite players he keeps betting on himself on short insanely big money deals… he is like the non QB floyd Mayweather of the NFL…. he is smart because even if he has one bad year and his contract expires his reputation alone will get him the next contract. He has had a down year or two in Tampa and never put a dent in his earning power… Brilliant Businessman, Curious to see which player will eventually go the revis route and makes a career of just betting on himself instead of valuing security which is smart when you think about it since NFL security isnt even real…
The Jaguars have, last I read, $68M in cap room. They can outbid anyone if they really want a player. Hopefully, Ndamokong Suh is their first priority.
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
13s14 seconds ago
The #Cowboys and WR Cole Beasley agreed on a 4-year deal worth $13.6M, source said (as @Rand_Getlin said). Can be worth $15.1M.
That’s the market for average to average+ #3 WRs. Probably backloaded though.
hopefully they stick with him and Terrence as supportig WRs.. the last thing we need is to deal with Jerry making a DGB splash or adding some other monster to worry about… im confident boykin can handle Beasley. If Boykin was really banged up last year, we should find out quickily when next season starts…
Question, why doesnt anyone ever talk about Kareem Jackson? certainly not a stretch to think we would be interested in a Houston Texan..is it the nothing special Height? the assumption he would be extended…
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its easy to know who the Prize corner is, aka the self proclaimed “prettiest girl at the dance”… but what Happens if for some reason, the hot girl thinks the eagles have Bad Breath, and she is attracted to the ligher green eyes of the Jaguars boy? what happens if Maxwell doesnt sign with the Eagles?… do we just drop down a tier and go with a Nolan Carroll type of unproven starting corner signing like Davon House? or can we live with the Texan not being 6ft’1?
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They didnt Tag him, i havent heard anything about if Kareems people and houston have been playing nice and an extension is imminent or if he is headed for the open market??,
Plenty of people have mentioned Jackson. Good option but not a perfect scheme fit.
think he is #2 eagle option behind Maxwell??… or does Davon House have #2 on lock? Kareem is way more proven as a starting CB, but im intruiged by house’s future
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who is the expected #2 option if Maxwell signs with someone else?
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hopefully him and Maragos are close. If we are going to go after him aggressively its still not a guarantee we get him. Not like we can Call Luca Brazzi to make him an offer he cant refuse and get his signature on a Birds contract;..
He’d be my #2 option.
I’ve mentioned Kareem Jackson as my prime CB target for a long time, since I have some doubt about Maxwell. Like Greg says, he is not the perfect scheme fit, but he fits “well enough” and the boy can cover, straight up.
We talk about Kareem Jackson all of the time on our awesome secret Eagles blog.
It’s the best!
You’ve already forgotten the first rule of S.E.B.???
S. E. B. ? What is that? Never heard of it.
If just you ever just paid attention to anyone else’s posts…..
I feel like we have created too many holes for ourselves to actually contend this year. We would all like to see a splash. But with holes at WR, G(OL in general), 2 CB, S, ILB, OLB, potential QB (no one knows what they’re thinking)– I’m expecting to see the usual, cheap middle of the pack stopgap players we have been signing the last couple of years. I hope I’m wrong, just really do not like what the maclin situation has come to. Also think we should’ve cut Cary after we signed someone. I’m also wary about the McCoy situation, especially after hearing about what Herramans had to say. Not usually a pessimist, but I think chip is being very arrogant about what kind of talent it takes to win in the NFL.
There’s a plan. Have faith. I don’t think the plan is — “get rid of people and we’ll meet to figure something out”. Chip does everything for a reason….
Chip is always like the “Thinker” http://www.dcmemorials.com/index_indiv0000187.htm
I agree. I like all this, b/c it shows me he has a f’ing plan and is going to execute it.
With the exception of Maclin’s situation those holes existed anyway.
RG… demecos injury, 1 starting corner assuming Nolan is the other.. need a TE after cutting Casey, losing Nate so we need a safety… we probably need another WR even if we bring back Mac since we are losing Brad Smith and probably lose Coop next year so im sure we wouldnt mind drafting another WR…and if we cant extend Curry next year, we better find a DE who can be a quality interior pass rusher to compensate for Thornton giving us nothing on 3rd down…. we have a ton of holes to fill, and that assuming we dont lose Shady, Foles and Maclin SMH
But honestly those holes were there, yeah we had bodies, but not championship caliber ones.
Injury or not we needed to get a replacement for Ryan’s. Oline is old, we knew it was getting time for replacements. Burton is your TE replacing Casey. We don’t need 4 on the roster. We all knew we were going to need another safety. This is stuff every team goes through every year. Replied to wrong person. Supposed to be to Nick C.
Every team has holes. You just fix as many as you can. People always assume that every hole needs to be filled. Even the elite teams have some weaker spots or holes. The reason these people are being cut is so that we can fill holes with better players.
sooooo drafting the BPA (defensive) . . . out on the internets it’s basically a given that we’re taking one of the corners. but pass rusher seems like it’s insanely deep, and it seems like there will be top 15 quality rushers available at 20 (at least one of dupree, malcolm brown, and maybe even shane ray). we don’t know what the eagles’ big board says so it’s all guessing, but if one of the highly touted rushers drops and the best CB’s left seem a little “Reach-y” what would you want to see happen?
Dupree, one of the OL, Strong. The only secondary player I can see worth 20 is Waynes.
Peter’s is there too. Doubt Chip would risk it though.
Well, you know what they say, “You gotta risk it for the biscuit!”
Waynes will be, likely, a top 10.
Yes, I know, hence why he is the only one worth pick 20 but I agree. Perhaps top-15.
Malcolm Brown is a 43 one gap DT and Shane Ray fits best as a wide 9 DE not a 34 OLB.
I’d like to fit my eyes on a breakdown of Stephone Anthony……. and Derron Smith! Do you see Scherff as more of a G or RT?
Tommy has the Stephone Anthony one.
Dude was all over the field in the FSU game. Wish we saw him against Jameis instead of the other kid, McGuire maybe, but he looked like a man on a mission
i would think there’s some level of projection there. wasn’t fletcher cox a one gap DT? “Ray measured 6-2 5/8 and 245 pounds at the combine — too light for an NFL defensive end in a 4-3 scheme. As such, Ray projects better as a linebacker in a 3-4 defense, where he can use his explosiveness as an edge pass rusher. ” those were just examples, though. someone is gonna fall.
I have a second round grade on Ray anyways. Ray doesn’t move well in space, his hand usage is atrocious. He’s a subpar run defender. His one special feature is his ability to fly off the edge from a track stance. You negate that by standing him up. At his size he’s too light for 34 OLB as well as 43 DE. But a 43 team can let him grow a little bit while using him as a subpackage rusher, he simply does not project well to a 34 OLB.
Dupree, Fowler, and Gregory are all likely to be gone by pick 20. Edge rushers play a premium position, and with OT and CB lacking top end players they will go early. Vic Beasley needs to play a Von Miller type role.
However the position is deep. You can get a Kikaha in round 2, or one of the FCS guys (Hodges, Delaire, Hagenmann, Emmanuel) on day 3.
that definitely sounds like someone we wouldn’t want.
Would you trade up to get Dupree?
I would. Dupree is a special kind of athlete.
To a point. I think he’s going top 10. I’m not interested in giving up more than a 3rd, maybe a 2nd. So I don’t think you can get there.
Personally my top 5 is:
1. Mariotta
2. Dupree
3. Kevin White
4. Hundley
5. Fowler
D3FB wants a QB in that 20 spot and he won’t waiver. Kidding aside, he’s idea is sound…..
Fletcher Cox was said to really excel at one gap. Which he would have. However it was recognized that he had the talent to play in almost any scheme. Seems like everyone was right about him.
Go after the rusher that dropped as long as he fits in your system. It’s not “reachy” if you know you won’t be able to get him in the second round even if you trade up. There’s not that much of a difference between pick 20 and second round most of the time. Sometimes there aren’t 32 players in the draft that truly qualify as first round talent. People fail to realize that sometimes.
Not that I like Todd McShay, but he said on his First Draft podcast with Kiper that he only has 15 players graded with a first round grade
While I love the draft I’m not a draft guru and I don’t have scouting skills therefore I can’t sit here and confirm or deny that. Every team is different though and every team may think there is more or less then that. I can safely say that there is never 32 players in one draft that truly qualify as first round talents. After a certain amount of the elite talents are off the board everything gets murky.
what does that even mean? How can you self-define that a first round grade means only the first half of the first round. Is he comparing it to some year in the late 70’s where every player in the first round was worthy.
Pick 30 is naturally not pick 1.
I don’t know, ask him, not me. I assume it means he only sees 15 players of beig worthy of being picked on the first round.
He obviously has some form of criteria that he and NFL teams use as a comparison. They are more knowledgeable then us considering this is their lives.
or, as Packers fans call him, Bad Jones.
(because he’s bad)
Some of the spite gets lost with that Wisconsin accent, though…
How bitter can a fan base that went from Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers possibly be, really? Fans of a franchise so celebrated that the ultimate prize in the NFL is named after one of their all time greats.
Also, they wear cheese-shaped hats.
I always was jealous of their absurd yet ubiquitously acceptable head-wear.
They have a self-confidence about them… owning a team with 13 championships emboldens even the most foolish of notions.
Wear a dead stuffed Eagle on ur head.
Problem: if you’re not a redskin, that’s illegal.
With how annoyingly “politically correct” everyone is starting to become nowadays saying the word Redskin will be illegal. God I’m so happy that whole thing has died down now. That’s all you heard about on PFT.
Yeah, it’s ridiculous… my post was just about the lols
If I had to go to a game in one of the coldest if not coldest stadiums in the NFL while wearing a block of cheese on my head I would be bitter too.
He is here for depth and ST. I’m fine with that. Still a liability in coverage but not as much as Mathews. Good signing for what he is here to do. People are all upset, like our backups and ST are supposed to be Pro Bowlers.
No Andre Johnson 🙁
“They gave me my role, and I just laughed at them,” Johnson said. “How
do you tell a guy who is used to catching 80 balls a year that he was
going to catch 40?” O’Brien also told Johnson he “wasn’t even likely to
be a starter” in 2015. “So I was real honest with him: ‘If that’s your
role for me, you’re going to be dealing with a miserable football
player,'” Johnson told O’Brien. Johnson is expected to be cut or traded
in the next few days.
Of course it depends on cost, but it definitely sounds like a typical NE WR signing.
The Detroit Free Press reports free agent Ndamukong Suh wants to be the
league’s highest-paid defender by both average annual salary and
guaranteed money.
This is funny. I just don’t understand the mentality – from a GM perspective, is that ever worth it? Especially given Suh’s character issues.
Also Maxwell changed agents, not sure what that’s about.
He deserves to be paid as ONE of the best, but not the best. This is business however so if he can get the contract he wants then good for him. Some team will do it. Word is that Maxwell changed agents so he could better negotiate with the Eagles. Joking about the second part of course, wish I wasn’t.
Hopefully it wasn’t to Maclin’s new agent.
Right
Actually, he changed to Maclin’s OLD agent, Ben Dogra. So maybe that’s good?
no way really? Coming here on a team friendly deal?
If Suh has enough “suh-itors,” I wonder if he’ll demand his new team pay or split any future fines…
Waiting until march 7 before we start getting any inkling of what’s going on is going to be painful. Waiting for the 10th to find out for an inevitably anti-climactic outcome, yeesh. I’m finding it is best to adopt blind faith until the off season is over or I will go insane with worry. It’s like this time of year everyone dangles their franchise over a cliff and all fans everywhere are just hoping their team doesn’t get dropped into the ravine.
The past couple of years you haven’t heard much in the 3 day legal tampering period because teams don’t want to be accused of tampering by it leaking that a deal has been agreed to. It’s stupid. Teams tamper all the time before the “legal” tampering period and the NFL turns a blind eye. It creates a 3-day “legal tampering window” and then sends out a harsh e-mail to teams saying “If we hear that you’ve actually agreed with a player until the start of real FA, we’re coming after you!”
over 300 posts and the Eagles haven’t even done anything note worthy yet…imagine what happens in this space when they do…
The Trade will be 1,500 posts
The Internet will explode
As will Chip’s testicles.
Lol.
you are right. Let’s say 2,000 posts.
But at least GEAGLE will stop posting (I assume)…..So more like 1,000?
we trade away Foles and mortgage part of our future for MM, Geagle will have something to say about it
I guess I was hoping he’d just give up on the Eagles entirely.
no, you two will live to fight another day. But in the end, there can be only one.
Personally I think I should be declared victor if nick is traded and either mariota or hundley is drafted.
We were promised that nick “rainmaker” fOles was the franchise.
But I accept your premise.
We all lose if Hundley is drafted here.
Don’t worry, guys. We can let everyone go and not have to worry about signing FAs. We just have to have a draft like this(I tried to get Mariota, it didn’t work):
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 27 (DAL): T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh (A)
Round 2 Pick 12 (N.O.): Eric Kendricks, ILB/OLB, UCLA (A-)
Round 2 Pick 22 (DET): Marcus Peters, CB, Washington (A)
Round 2 Pick 23 (ARI): Eddie Goldman, DT, Florida State (A)
Round 2 Pick 25 (CAR): Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 28 (DAL): Jaquiski Tartt, SS/FS, Samford (B+)
Round 3 Pick 22 (ARI): Tevin Coleman, RB, Indiana (A)
Round 3 Pick 23 (PITT): Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest (B+)
Round 3 Pick 25 (CAR): Lorenzo Mauldin, OLB/DE, Louisville (A-)
Round 4 Pick 10 (T.B.): Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor (B)
Round 4 Pick 20: Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame (A)
Round 4 Pick 22 (PITT): Chris Conley, WR, Georgia (B+)
Round 4 Pick 25 (CAR): Andy Gallik, C, Boston College (A)
Round 4 Pick 28 (DAL): Ibraheim Campbell, SS, Northwestern (B+)
Round 5 Pick 24 (PITT): Jamil Douglas, OG, Arizona State (A)
Round 6 Pick 20: Xzavier Dickson, OLB, Alabama (B)
Round 7 Pick 20: Zach Zenner, FB/RB, South Dakota State (C)
Kempsi said Cary was cut few weeks back right..
yup. Does this also mean that we’re trading up for MM — he said that too.
haha good point
we are. I’m convinced.
I don’t wanna be bragging but I said this as well a while ago. Same with the Toddfather cut.
That being said I also didn’t expect BG to be coming back either. Let’s see if that turns out to be true.
Did you say it as a prediction or you said it as you got sources?
Mate, I am not privilegded enough to quote any ‘unnamed sources’, however sometimes my gut feeling turns out to be pretty spot on since I’ve been following the Eagles very closely for such a long time.
Cool man.. Whats your gut feeling on Meco n Cole? Stay or go?
reports are that MEco’s getting a new deal, Cole’s getting restructured.
JasonLaCanfora (take it with a grain of salt though) has said that Cole is not willing to take a pay cut…
Meco: Stay
Cole: 50-50
If the Eagles sign one of Hughes/Worilds/Sheard/BG/McPhee I don’t see Cole coming back, not even at a significantly reduced salary.
Stealing from another post
“New Orleans is $22.5 million over the cap!!! How crazy is that!?! And
they only have two options; 1) Restructure Brees, Galette (I can’t
believe this guy is making $15.5 million a season!), & Graham to get
about 3/4 of the way back down, & cut Jahri Evans, & Colston.
This would get them back to $0 over the cap, but they still have to sign
their draft picks, so look for a few more cuts….
2) Cut Evans ($6 mil savings), Colston ($4.3 mil savings), Grubbs ($3.6 mil savings), Curtis Lofton ($4.25 mil savings), Brodrick Bunkley ($2.9 mil savings),
& David Hawthorne ($3 mil savings). They would have to get rid of all off these starters just to get to $1.5 million below the salary cap, which won’t pay for the draft picks.
Cameron Jordan may be a possible casualty as well (which would save just under $7 million) in order to sign their draft picks.”
They’ll probably designate two of those guys June 1st cuts so that the 2015 cap savings are higher(part of the cap hit from the acceleration of remaining prorated SB will be charged against the 2016 cap).
I wonder if Chip has just been looking at Nola’s roster and salivating.
Good ole Bunkley. How is he doing down there?
I would be interested in Cam Jordan I’d they cut him…let Thronton walk. Cam, Bennie and Cox? Oh my…
I’d give them the Sprolea special and hand them a 5th so they don’t have to cut him, plus that would probably save us $$$
why ditch Thornton?
For Jordan why wouldn’t you he’s not in the same league
I’m not on top of the whole cap situation… but I doubt Thornton’s number is that high. I’d keep him in the rotation.
He’s a FA,
I’m still thinking I can have both players… but I get your point.
Or they could just trade Brees for Foles straight up.
Anyone see or hear any update on Mac today? Sounded like they were “close” on Sunday/Monday.
I keep checking my phone hoping it’s done
Think there is a decent change Suh ends up in the NFC East either with Gmen or Skins. Having such a force in the interior line will likely wreak havoc on our IZ-based offense. Chip Wagon has a great article on this, it’ll be interesting to see how Chip tries to scheme against someone so dominant.
Do Giants or Redskins have money for that type of loot? They like us need to put some serious work into their secondaries.
yeah we could just run screens all day.
or just hope a foot of snow drops onto the field every time they come to town
Skins probably, doubtful Gmen.
Please let one of those two teams sign Suh!!. Yes I know what I just said but look at it like this, neither team has the cap space the really fit Suh in. 2nd the giants and redskins both have glaring needs on both sides of the ball. Signing Suh would cripple both teams.
Skins have almost like $25M
That was just a general statement about both teams. I can get into specifics.
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Redskins need to invest in both safety positions, offensive line, d-line, and linebackers.
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Giants don’t have the money the skins do but they can make it work to sign Suh. They need to invest in both offensive and defensive line, especially the o-line. Need to upgrade at all the linebacker positions. Are going to try to resign Rolle.
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Basically both teams can theoretically sign Suh, but in signing him it would cripple both team from a money and talent perspective.
Giants are kind of jammed paying JPP that idiotic $14 mil due to tagging him.
Yea that and they also have to start thinking about whether they plan on resigning Eli or letting him walk next year.
Maybe if they sign Suh he can “retire” Eli in practice one day.
The instant thought of that happening just played out in my head and man would that be Christmas coming early.
I would think Snider would stay with his hand after his experience with Albert Moneyhole. Not that Suh would lay down, but whatever he’s worth (who can say?), he’s never won a playoff game. And Suh strikes me as more of a Cowboy than a Giant, and poor Jerry has no cash.
Dave Spadaro admitted he had no clue about FA but said it’s unclear that they take a OG early. Said coaches really liked Tobin and Barbre.
“Dave Spadaro admitted he had no clue about”
– anything and everything.
“Starting to hear talks [between] Eagles and both Trent Cole + Brandon Graham aren’t progressing very well.” — Mosher
mo’ money, mo’ money, mo’ money
Cole wants to restructure not take a pay cut.
Think positively! Maybe the talks aren’t progressing very well not because of any substantive issues, but because Trent Cole and Brandon Graham happen to be driving through tunnels every time the Eagles call and are therefore getting spotty cell phone reception.
Man if they need to trim the fat now rather then later then do it i guess.. Eagles have MS2 drafted for that position anyway.. Unproven yes but hey gotta do something.. Eagles are gonna be big players in FA i reckon
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Oh damn! This shit is getting real lol
Unfortunate but he was never coming back on that contact if he wouldn’t restructure
I don’t understand why they’d release him now. Even if they haven’t been able to come to an agreement and talks aren’t progressing well, there’s a week left until FA.
wow
In unrelated news, the Eagles will be holding citywide tryouts for anyone who can play WR, OLB, CB, OG, Situational TE, and QB.
…also, Safety, ILB, and RB. Unathletic “try-hard” special teamers need not apply.
I can hear the Invincible soundtrack in the background.
If it persists, you might want to have an ear, nose and throat doctor check that out…
Only if it lasts more than 4 hours.
Gonna be an interesting off season at least.
Wonder if this means that negotiations with Graham may be going better than reported. Or let Cole test the market and see where things end up. But if we end up with Marcus Smith as our starting OLB… could be a bit scary.
nope graham hitting the market, complete rebuild.
I love what Chip is doing so far. We needed a total rebuild and we’re getting it.
You rebuild through the draft though with FA signings peppered in. Seems like they’re going whole hog in free agency Dream Team style.
Maybe, I guess we’ll see.
But every cut they made was expected unless there were restructure
My exact thoughts as well. I don’t get why any of these cuts are surprising anyone.
I was almost positive they’d restructure Cole though.
Well it takes 2 to tango and if Cole was being difficult you take your 8.5mil and walk away
There’s a week left. His agent is probably being difficult now but deadlines spur changes.
apparently he didn’t want to take a pay cut.
mksp:
Some folks wanted this done 2 years ago. I among them.
Kelly came in with a 3-4 defense and a new offense.
Apparently, he wanted to win immediately. And he did. So he made it work.
In the process, he seems to have learned (or come to believe) — sort of as the great O.A. “Bum” Phillips said — “he can take his’n and beat your’n; and he take your’n beat his’n.”
Kelly took a lot of Reid-Roseman collected square pegs and won a bunch of games.
Seems he’s concluded:
1. The NFL’s far easier than he thought — since he could win with a gaggle of guys whom he’d never have drafted if given the chance.
2. It doesn’t take that many great players at positions whom old-school NFL people — like Roseman? — consider important. (Maclin?)
3. If — as Herremans said — Kelly’s system is all about the O-line and QB . . . well, the handwriting may be on the wall.
[ Baloophi . . . Jets v. Sharks?]
I’m on board with Chip’s script…
Remember its not impossible Cole comes back
we’re going to need a lot more Oregon players
we’re going to need a bigger boat… of serviceable defenders.
I’m assuming you typed this in the tone of Roy Scheider in Jaws
Trent Cole: “I’ll never put on a sleep-monitoring jacket again…”
That reminds me, Chip really let go this off season, saw a documentary of his off season at like 2 am on cartoon network.
http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2014/11/10Screen-Shot-2014-11-07-at-10.jpg
That’s the machete he’s using on the roster…
To chip Kelly’s defense, too many cooks do spoil the broth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGrOK8oZG8
of course
Wow…
https://twitter.com/GeoffMosherCSN/status/572882883410456576
Coupled with the fact that apparently talks with Graham aren’t going well, this is troubling
this is so 8 minutes ago
Lol, weird. I scrolled and didn’t see it below. I blame my phone…
Well we have Smith and Barwin plus we may very well be interested in bringing in Worilds/Hughes/Sheard/McPhee
Well we have 42.8mil right no without touching McCoy, Demeco or Celek
Crazy idea here. I’m hoping Geagle sees this. Curious of his reaction. Mathews started half a year at ILB and his performance wasn’t much different then Ryan’s. Two reasons… the Dline played great and the 2 gap system protects LB. The other reason is simply that Ryan’s is old and is not a playmaker anymore. So my thought process is, why pay Ryan’s all that money if someone like Casey can come in and perform almost as well. Ryan’s is also a liability in coverage, and not to mention coming back from a torn ACL. I think.it’s obvious that the Birds will announce a restructured deal or maybe even a flat out cut. If you look at the big picture one of the two has to happen. Now here’s the crazy part. Cole is more then likely going to be here, and I think it’s safe to say another OLB will be signed. Where does that leave Smith? Is it possible that if he does his work this off season he could be playing next to Kendricks as ILB. The reasoning is this. He has already learned a little about this system. He has the athletic tools to do it, is better in coverage and more athletic the Ryan’s. His height and long arms could be a problem for a QB throwing over the middle of the field. His pass rushing problem was that he needed to put on more strength and learn new moves and work on technique. He reportedly has worked on his strength and also his technique. However at ILB rushing the passer is more direct and you don’t need the same technique as you would going up against a LT. The 2 gap kept Mathews clean and made him look adequate. Smith is bigger, more skilled, and much more athletic. I think you could realistically expect him to be better then Mathews and maybe even better then Ryan’s at this point of his career. If it were to happen it would save the Birds millions. It sounds so simple and childish, but if Mathews could do it why couldn’t Smith? Times yours….
while you wrote all this out, Cole was cut.
Lol I know. FML
Most likely, your post had very little to do with it, though.
Well, you probably weren’t the main reason, at least. Rest easy.
GEagle — who will speak for himself, I’m sure — does not subscribe to your main premise, I don’t think.
I believe his position is after Ryans went down, the pass defense DID suffer because changes in the play calling had to be made to account for the lesser talented and inexperienced Matthews and Acho.
The numbers seem to back him up. Not the overall numbers.
But the X-play numbers.
I do agree there was a schematic change which did hurt the D overall. That doesn’t change the resolution I stated however. The key to it being that Smith is faster, more athletic, and his height/wingspan could be a problem for a QB throwing over the middle, or be swatted close to LOS. His raw pass rushing experience could make for another good Blitzer up the middle next to Kendricks. Lol, it doesn’t matter now that we have ALONSO!!!!
I think there was a big drop off with Matthews. Davis seemed to reconfigure his D to cover up for Matthews’ weaknesses, which left Williams/Fletcher more exposed and they got toasted. That didn’t seem to happen nearly as much when Ryans was in there. Granted, we played the more accurate QBs towards the end of the year, which was a factor as well.
There was a scheme change to a degree, but Mathews himself wasn’t total liability. Lol, none of it matters because Alonso to the rescue!!!
Les Bowen @LesBowen 2m2 minutes ago
I think the vibe people dealing with the Eagles are getting is that the Kelly regime is cleaning house.
YES.
I’m thrilled with this. The team, as currently constructed, was maxing out its potential. Whining about injuries and a “couple pieces” in the secondary was willfully misrepresenting the actual state of the team. OL, QB, CB, S, ILB, OLB all need help.
yeah i mean when you basically fire the GM, i guess what else do you think will happen. I can’t believe cole wouldn’t take a cut.
really Les? what gave it away?
I can’t really comment intelligently because I don’t know how much the Eagles were offering and how much Cole was asking for, but in an ideal world I don’t see why you wouldn’t want Cole back at a reduced rate. Still a great run defender and good pass-rusher.
If the rumors are true Cole wanted a restructure probably one that gave him more guaranteed money in exchange for a lower cap hit as opposed to a true pay cut I’d you don’t want him past this year it wouldn’t make sense
I can’t really comment intelligently because of DNA.
“I can’t really comment intelligently because I don’t know . . . ”
______________
Hear, hear.
How can anyone speak with certitude about anything concerning Kelly’s Eagles?
Coach K is a living advertisement for the how to handle questions from the police:
“never rat on your friends and always keep your mouth shut.”
Let’s leave Krzyzewski out of this.
nice work.
but what about Jimmy Conway?
Maybe they simply have a plan that doesn’t include him.
mksp:
Yes. Yes. And most definitely yes.
Did you leave out a position?
Wow.
Confused, what’s wow about this?
Given all the praise Kelly heaped on cole for the last two years sort of surprised they couldn’t work something out. Also surprised by the number of holes we have on the team.
All that said Cole wasn’t terribly productive as a rusher, neither was BG really, but still.
Yeah but if he was being difficult you have 8.5 milllion reasons to move on
After two Chip years, he’s doing a top to bottom assessment. That’s why QB is on the table as is RB. It’s going to be a tough couple of weeks but we have $40+ mil in cap, so we will buy talent that fit’s the new standards.
OD:
ALL the data’s pointing your way, I think.
Certainly, the argument can be made that the more Kelly cleans out the old Reid-Roseman players — and his own add-ons in a pinch in 2013 — the more likely he’s decided to do EXACTLY what he wants and HOW he wants . . . and screw the Neanderthals who don’t know what he’s thinking anyway.
I think the FO went in giving him a very low number knowing he wouldn’t accept. They obviously have a plan. The outcome was that they would retain a player for less then he is worth, there for making Cole worth it, or release him and go ahead with the plan. Sort of a do you accept? No? Ok you are done here. Probably no negotiating, or very minimal.
Hinkie told Chip to cut everyone, create a lot of cap space then trade for players on expiring contracts and collect 2nd round picks from everyone for doing that. Beautiful execution so far.
In the NFL draft, 2nd round picks are welcome in my book.
The NFL equivalent to NBA 2nd round picks is about a 5th round pick.
True, and if they are going after 5th rounds, my books are not okay. 🙂
A late second is basically a 7th
Monday and Tuesday are going to be a lot of fun.
Uuuugh please resign Maclin I want to enjoy the epic bash that FA will be…Raiders sign Sun to a 6 year 114million deal lol
Think they are sending a pretty clear message to maclin get in line or get out.
Yeah man like that mentality.. You dont wanna play ball then see ya bud we’ll get someone who does
Or just clearing room for him and other FA. I just don’t think you cut class act guys just to make a statement to another class act guy. This would have happened regardless of Maclin.
Just tough negotiation on both sides. I believe we will get good news soon.
It’s getting worse. I’m hearing rumors that restructuring talks with Swoop are not going well. He switched his agent from Ben Dogra to Tom Condon and is apparently asking for an increased role on “run out of the inflatable tunnel” teams.
No birth to earth in this NFL.
Ahoy, AC!
(Though if the NFL starts drafting kids after one year in college and the long-term concussion effects intensify, they might get close…)
I think Swoop should stand his ground (fly his air?) though. He brings a lot to this team, and from what I can tell below, he is only paid in a very strange diet…
HEIGHT:6’3”
WEIGHT:216 lbs.
POSITION: Center of Attention
JERSEY:#00
HATCHED: Eagles forest, Neshaminy State Park in Bensalem, PA
RESIDES:South Philly, in the Eagles Nest high atop Lincoln Financial Field
DIET:Smaller birds such as Cardinals, Falcons, Ravens, and Seahawks; and of course cheesesteaks and soft pretzels
Apparently Chip “ruffled some feathers” when re-positioned Swoop’s aerie next to the locker of hunting-enthusiast Trent Cole…
Hmmm, could be why Cole was really cut. It all ties together, birds of a feather…
There’s also a rumor that Riley Cooper dropped one of Swoop’s eggs.
Maybe they are making room for Suh
There goes my idea below. Cole reportedly getting cut.
Who’s running these people off?
Roseman?
Kelly?
What the hell’s goin’ on out there . . . at NovaCare?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V0TYIO6yv4
Ahoy, Baloophi . . .
Excellent work.
The NFL in 7 words.
Chip has re-assessed his needs now that he better understands the NFL. With $41 mil in cap space, Chip will buy talent that suits his new qualifications for each position opening. QB and RB are also on the table. It’s going to get more painful AC.
Cole, unless he was willing to take a reduction to a $1.6 million dollar salary, is worth more as a cut than he is on the roster.
Totally crazy thought: Eagles pursue Suh themselves. He’s a 4-3 end in Detroit but other 3-4 teams are rumored to be interested in him. In the end, he’ll get more $ than I’d be comfortable paying him. However right now we have a great run defender/poor pass rusher in Thornton playing on 1st down and good pass rushers/average run defender on passing downs. Getting a complete player would be attractive so teams couldn’t call plays to the weaknesses of the players on the field. I know we have other priorities. Just thinking out loud.
Another crazy thought: You release Cole now and hope that Andy starts thinking “I can just sign Trent at a reduced rate. Houston doesn’t want to be here. Maybe we should remove that franchise tag like I did with Trotter and Simon…”
That’d be crazy
Me personally I’d rather not make a run at Suh. I think one big misconception everyone is making is that all these moves are being used to clear up space for free agency this year, we have 2 guys that are in line for extensions in Cox and Kendricks. So yes I think the eagles are going to be major players in free agency but also are thinking about the home grown talent.
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As for Suh, yes he is a very great player but to me not worth the huge contract to play in a different system and when you’re going to have to pay Cox as well. Not worth investing the money it would take to keep them both. A 3rd year in the system and playing next to eachother will be huge for Cox/Logan/Thornton. Continuity is a very underrated attribute.
Good call.
Speaking of extensions, after Foles throws for 50 TDs and 3 INTs next year, a good chunk of change COULD be needed to extend him. Had to open that can of worms.
Or If Foles throws for 28 TDs and 13 INts, that money could still be used to frontload the F out of a deal.
Yea I didn’t include Foles because I don’t know what Chip is thinking regarding Foles or Mariota or any other QB, but yes absolutely throw Foles in there as one of the home grown talents that is up for an extension.
That is his new team’s problem
Yep, we’d be mighty pissed after giving up the house to move up for Mariota and Foles breaks all the passing records and wins multiple Super Bowls with his new team
Just to much money. He says he wants to be the highest played D player. That means more then Revis and more then Watts monster contract.
all of these comments are too reasonable. Where are the sky is falling posters?
OMG, WE CUT COLE, HERRAMANS AND GOD FORBID WILLIAMS. WE’RE GOING TO BE LAST PLACE!!!!!
Don’t forget Casey, he was vital to the offense. Being serious though, he has to be the highest paid ST player in history outside of maybe a kicker.
MARYOTAAA TYME
If nothing else these cuts are great just for firebombing that stupid ish. Gonna need all the draft picks they have now.
I know right. All I see on other sites are MARIOTA MARIOTA.
Not if plan is to use all the FA money on better fits/younger players and use draft picks to trade up.
Yep.
I’m assuming they’ll all hit at once in a series of 15,000 (misspelled) word missives…
Certainly many missives with loud CAPITAL letters.
REVIS, MAXWELL, MURRAY, COBB, MCCOURTY. WE ARE GETTING THEM ALL.
Get Kelly a broom cause he is cleaning house!
I believe that request should be addressed to Howie Roseman – Head of Equipment.
and likely also now the custodian who literally cleans house
Lol if he saw that comment he would probably lose his top.
He could always requistion a replacement top.
He’d need to see the medical staff… which he ALSO oversees.
Slick
wow
Chip just ordered a new broom. The old one is down to stubs.
We’ll have a ton of cap space soon. WE CAN SIGN SOME STUDS!!!
or roll over 20mil for next year again.
OR… cut a check to the long-suffering fanbase?
or buy a 20 million dollar samurai sword and cut Nate Allen and Casey Matthews in front of the fans.
You could give them opportunity to commit seppuku but there’s a good chance they’d completely miss…
Seppuku for everybody!
They can’t buy a championship, but if they buy me a new car that might prevent me from saying mean things for at least a month.
Okay, okay. Enough of this wallowing in the past. Cole was cut many, many minutes ago. And Williams? Hours ago. The bleeding has nearly stopped and almost all of his sconces have been removed and safely packed for the move.
The real question is, who is next?
I’ll start, I think Ryan.
Yep. My guess too.
What about McCoy?
Picking up on Herremans’ comments — is McCoy worth 7% of the available cap in this offense . . . with this coach?
And deep RB class.
Y!
Not with Chip given his 2014 performance. He seems to be declining in the eyes of many.
I think so to. Old, expensive and hurt. With Mathews in there it proved that maybe Ryan isn’t valuable as we all thought. We all know Chip loves him some Celek, but I think its an outside chance he could go. Doubt it but possible.
The two of you don’t understand how this game is played. There are, what, 20 or 22 players left on the roster? You have to pick a different name for the next cut. Otherwise, how can I ridicule and belittle your opinion?
Your starting to sound like one of the more prominent members of this site. Time for my game. Guess who lol?
On Shady
Most of the buzz was he needs to re structure if he wants to stick around.
Shady’s camp says no body has even approached Shady about restructuring.
Oh so that means no problem right?
….right?
Until today I had no interpretation of that in any light but positive. Now suddenly it scares me
Yep, there were reports a couple of days ago that Cole and Williams hadn’t been approached for pay cuts/restructures. So maybe they simply don’t want them back. Out with the old….
Shadys situation is completely different then the others though. He isn’t old, and while RB is devalued he is considered one of the best in the league.
And WAY f-ing affordable in 2016 and 2017.
I’d be more comfortable saying we’ll not be seeing Shady on a 3rd contract here for 2018 and beyond.
Lol well your definitely right about the second part now.
I’m a visionary.
Could say the same thing about DJax. You get paid too much on a contract from another era…
I’m not saying he’s gone. Just saying what I thought was a clear sign that the Eagles clearly don’t mind paying Shady, now I have doubts.
Lol apparently they did mind paying Shady.
I’m going to go with a wildcard pick simply because it would infuriate the masses and send us all into a reckless panic: Nolan Carroll.
Those double “R’s” and “L’s” in his last name are worth like $3 million in space…
Haven’t seen anyone say it yet. So do we think. This increases the chance of Graham coming back? What does this say about their belief in Smith if it does indeed say something? Does this possibly give Graham more leverage?
Reports saying Graham gonna hit the FA market
Reports have been saying that for months. He is testing the market. Numerous reports also state don’t rule out a return.
I don’t think this changes anything really
Possibly, possibly not. I think if BG were to be resigned or another OLB, without Cole that would mean Smith is in the rotation and next man up due to injury. That’s a big step from last year and that means Chip may have some faith in him. If Graham is all about the loot and nothing else he could turn to Birds and say you guys may really need me now. Or contrary to belief the FO is close to a deal with Graham and seems Cole as not needed unless very cheap.
I think it has to scare Graham. Clearly Chip is trimming the fat, and cutting close to the bone.
To me, this signals that our illegal tampering has been going well and Hughes and Maxwell are all lined up.
That would be magnificent, I’ve heard nothing about us and Hughes but boy would that make new happy. Resign Mac, and get Max and Jerry and you can see me in April
Hughes struggled his first few years in the 3-4 before being traded and excelling in the 4-3 and a 4-3/3-4 hybrid. I think Worilds is a more likely target.
Yeah that’s what I thought too
You’re absolutely correct CR, people always forget that Hughes was an absolute bust for the Colts. Also people set your standards at a reasonable level because Hughes was also playing next to three, let me repeat that, three pro bowl players in Mario Williams, Kyle Williams, and Marcel Dareus. Would much rather have Worilds who has been playing in e 3-4 that is the system is a resemblance to our system.
GR:
I think, in his first 2 years as a Colt, Hughes played strictly in a 4-3. And struggled.
Colts went 3-4 when Pagano arrived in 2012 — Hughes’s last year with Indy.
But, as you say, Hughes didn’t do very well in Pagano’s scheme either.
MOST UNSAFE JOBS IN AMERICA
1) Alaskan crab fisherman
2) Miner
3) Longest tenured Philadelphia Eagle
Dare I say . . . Foles is moving up the list rapidly.
And he’s no fisherman
Who is it now, Dorenbos? (I brought him up, so someone has to post the pic now)
Yep
Good luck pulling a fast one on THAT man…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69lvhaeN-6s
also http://cover32.com/eagles/wp-content/uploads/sites/28/2014/08/julie4.jpg
This one still has me wondering how he pulled that off. #Magic
maybe he’s got a long snapper
Have to keep Graham now. Losing Graham and Cole would be crazy dumb. Edge rushers do not grow on trees.
No, but the two of them combined had 12 sacks.
That can be replaced.
Replaced by whom?
Worilds is at best on the same level as Cole. BG is better though. Who else is really out there that will be attainable? You can’t rely on the draft, because of Exhibit A – 2014 P1
I want Graham resigned but what tells you that he is better then Worilds?
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In Graham’s lone start this past year he really didn’t pile up the stats. I am just saying before you go assuming one role player is better then an experienced player tone down the expectations.
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I do want Graham back but it wont be the end of the world if he doesn’t return.
Worilds is going to be a ripoff to whoever signs him. 15.5 sacks over the past two years.
Yes, but he’s a more complete LB. They use him in coverage a lot.
I ain’t paying top dollar for that. That level of play gets you Connor Barwin’s deal.
3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE have one primary role: Rush the passer. Everything is secondary to that. I’d argue run game and edge control are both second, and those are both areas Cole and Graham were good. Way down the list is pass coverage.
Yea I was just using Worilds as an example since this guy mentioned him, but I would absolutely take Sheard I’ve been a huge fan of his. But my point is players like Sheard and Worilds are experienced 3-4 backers.
It won’t be the end of the…*Worilds if he doesn’t return
Are you kidding? When he started in lieu of T. Cole he played very well. Go back and rewatch that game.
no sacks in the last half of the season
Haha are you kidding friend because maybe you should go back and rewatch the game. He had what 3 tackles and no sacks and if I remember right I think 1 qb hurry. Yes that screams “played very well”. Cmon dude and 1 sack in the final eight games.
i like Graham better,,, dude developed a knack for forcing fumble and not just when hitting QBs.. punching vballs out of RBs grasp… B. Dot Grizzle, trade Vinny for Dion:
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Barwin/Marcus..Kendrick,.Kiko….Graham/Dion
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Badd as LB corp!!
Oh i agree with yoy big dog i want Graham back to but i was just trying to gauge this dude as to why hr thinks so little of Worilds.
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What a damn day tho, Kiko is huge for us.
Sheard as the starter and Smith II playing 1/4 to 1/3 of the snaps in relief.
Mix in some Brooks Reid sliding outside if they’re going to run a 3-3-5 on passing downs.
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/sources-eagles-lose-both-trent-cole-and-brandon-graham
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I just don’t see any of these cuts that happened (Casey, Herremans, WIlliams, and Cole), any that should (DeMeco), or any reductions (Celek – $4.8 mill for 2 catches a game and one TD all season?????) as anything other than doing the necessary thing they can do with bad contracts.
Unless they blast out a useful player, I’m not seeing this as anything other than the Eagles working their way through the list of players we all said were easy to cut.
Preach on!!.. I know Cole and Toddfather were fan favorites but this had to happen we have to get younger on this team.
These are all guys I, due to what I read from y’all and the guys who report on the team, saw and able to be cut.
Agree, however there are people acting like this is unprecedented. I was a little shocked about Herremans however.
all in one offseason. Can we even start a team next year? I think now the CK has proven he can win he got the reins to tear down the team howie helped build.
Herremans didn’t shock me because he’s essentially played like stale donkey dung for the past two years.
Before we start spending all of the money on 2015 free agents at a few positions, can anybody tell me what the Eagles think of;
– Marcus Smith’s ability to fill Graham’s 5.5 sacks at OLB
– Jaylin Watkins and Nolan Carroll being able to play significant snaps at one or both starting corner positions
– Josh Huff’s ability to see a big increase in his number of snaps at WR
– The ability of several of the current young “depth” o-linemen to start at RG
I really see our free agent group as being;
Big $ safety, Brooks Reed (ILB), Jabal Sheard (or similar type dude for OLB), 2nd tier WR, and 2nd tier CB.
I see exactly the same except i expect 2nd tier safety and big $ corner but I want McCourty
I don’t think the big $ safety has to be McCourty, but I see us spending for a highly ranked guy because we don’t have anybody we can really slide into playing that position on the roster now.
I think we’re in for a really nice shock when they don’t do a lot at corner.
I think some corner is guaranteed or they would get rid of Williams it just may not be Max or Revis
Maybe if you kidnap Kelly and hook him up to a lie detector…
What!
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
3m3 minutes ago
Filed to ESPN: Bills have notified LB Kiko Alonso he is going to be traded to
Philadelphia for RB LeSean McCoy. Trade official next week.
This is not a joke, people.
Makes sense, kiko is a duck,
but seriously…for real?
Kiko Alonso, the guy who lasted like 1 game in 2014?
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but who was ROY material in 2013. Kiko + Kendricks you should be happy. No meco though 🙁
No he wasn’t, he had some nice picks and splash plays, but he was far from that consideration. I’d compare him to M. Kendricks in 2013.
Just stop talking man cause you sound dumb.
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Lets see Kiko in 2013 had 159 tackles, 2 sack, and 4 picks. That is absolutely ROY consideration and Kendricks is yet to put a year like that together.
Alonso and ??????????????
I’m sorry, what now?
Wow wow wow
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN. I like the move. Looking back at the 2013 draft, makes you wonder if it was Howie that made Chip not draft Kiko?
We about to get STUUUDS.
I’m beginning to think that the Eagles are going to make a major move for Mariota. For the longest time I thought it was pure insanity and out of the question unless he experienced a Teddy Bridgewater-esque tumble down the draft boards, but now I think it’s almost certain that that is ehere this is going.
First off, we have to think like Chip since he’s the man in control now. People always say things like, “how much would you give up for Tom Brady if you knew he was going to become Tom Brady?” And the answer typically spans from 3 first round picks to WHATEVER you had to do whatsoever. All indications are that Chip feels Mariota is without a doubt the PERFECT QB for his system and truly a once in a generation talent for what he wants at the most important position on the team. So the question then no longer revolves around what would you give up for a quarterback IF you knew he’d be a Tom Brady. We’re talking about a man that’s so sure of this kid he said he KNEW he’d win the heisman from the moment he showed up at Oregon as a freshman. A kid who he compares to Peyton Manning without hesitation or an ounce of hyperbole in his voice. And, this a player with little projection for Kelly, he’s already groomed him for 4 years, he’s watched him run his offense already. He KNOWS who Mariota is as a player, as a person and a leader. So what would KELLY give up to get him…I’d say a lot!
Second, he’s enough of a projection for other teams that no one is going to be so dead set on drafting him at all costs of the Eagles provide them with a huge bounty to trade back. Plus it’s all but certain that Winston goes number one to Tampa at this point. The Jaguars, who pick third, spent the 3rd overall pick on Bortles last year, are they really ready to move on after one poor season and spend another top pick on a QB with a lot of question marks about his ability to play in a pro style offense? The Raiders have Carr and a boat load of other needs. The Redskins have committed to RG3 for next year already. Chicago, Atlanta and NY are unlikely to draft Mariota with established starters in place. Fox might want to get rid of Cutler but that contract makes him almost impossible to trade and extremely difficult to cut. That leaves Tennessee (who need a ton of defensive help, have s decent young QB in Mettenberger and will be starring at the best player in the draft in Leonard Williams), the Jets at pick 6 and the Rams at 10 as definite possibilities for Mariota. So given the questions about Mariota’s ability to transition to a pro offense it’s not out of the realm of possibility that he makes it out of the top 5 picks. If Mariota makes it past Tennessee a trade from 20 to 6 with the Jets would be a no brainer for Chip.
Finally, the thing that really convinced me is the recent purge of cap space that we’ve seen leading up to free agency. The Eagles could have easily waited until after free agency to release some of these players after they see what they could do in the opening days of FA. The only reason a team would clear out contracts to give themselves $41 million in cap space right before Free Agency is if they plan on being major players this year. Which is exactly what I’d be planning on being if I knew I was dead set on giving up a bunch of draft picks for one player.
Watch for the Eagles to come out swinging on Tuesday, they are gonna fill multiple holes with quality free agents and they are going to package Foles, possibly McCoy and a few draft picks to move up for Mariota.
I’m not saying that that’s what I would do or that I think this is a great idea, by any means, but Chip wanted full control for a reason and I don’t think it was to do things slightly different than Mehta they were doing under Roseman. I think the changes are gonna be drastic. Chip has learned the ropes these last two years and is going all in with his vision and I firmly believe his vision includes Mariota at QB, a one cut, get up field RB and a completely different look for this team.
Well welcome aboard.
I agree. Our Spurrier must have his Wuerffel.
dear god let’s hope things don’t turn out that bad
Jernst, I think you really nailed it. Chip understands the uncertainty with the draft and wants seasoned, preferably young, pros for open positions.
Lastly, Chip developed his current offense concepts with Mariota. They collaborated at what worked. He’s now modified these concepts for the NFL, but Mariota still helped develop their core. Make no mistake, no one can run this NFL offense better than Mariota but he’s initially going to be challenged by brilliant DCs. Like any rookie QB in the NFL, Mariota is NOT a slam dunk.
Thanks for the reply. I have no doubt that Mariota is still a big risk even in this offense, but if I try to put myself in Chip’s brain for a second it just seems like his thinking would be to get HIS quarterback at all costs!
Cover your children’s eyes, I can’t resist.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
My son is 12, he agrees.
Wtf!!! hahahaha
Implications here:
Alonso in on rookie deal, no need for Spiller. Eagles targeted Spiller last year.
Alonso in, no need for Ryans. $6.9M of likely cap savings.
Save tons of cap room on McCoy.
I still want extra picks. Buffalo’s #2 this year at a minimum. Or another young guy on D. Gilmore maybe.
and suddenly RB’s are relevant in all FA and draft discussions.
DEMARCO MURRAY TIME!
Or AP, or draft, scratch that, we won’t have any draft picks left once we get MM, so yeah, Murray or AP
AP!!!!!!!! AP!!!! AP!!!!
if we get AP…but i think it could be a frank gore type, or any one of the Pats RBs (ridley or vareen)
One of the best RB classes in the draft in years. Spiller is my first guess if they go the FA route but Marynowitz is a Bama guy so Mark Ingram may be a target.
Ingram sucks. Badly. Way slow. Useless on pass downs.
Nola wants to keep him apparently.
hate him
Sooooo much cap space.
$41 mil and Chip’s not done yet.
41M plus net cap room gained by losing McCoy and gaining Alonso. Plus, Ryans likely released.
Probably talking about 55mil after Ryan’s goes
Talk about cap space…
Birds trading shady alonso. Seriously. Just reported.
we know who is in charge now!
Can the Oregon Ducks win a Super Bowl?!
They’ll have to get through the Kentucky basketball team first…
No. There lays the problem.
I. Want. Justin. Forsett.
I LOVE CHIP KELLY!!! I FUCKING LOVE YOU!!!b KIKO!!!!! fuck Luke Kuechly, we got one of the youngest Bad asses in the game to pair with Kendricks..
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Holy Fucking Shit!! Kiko and Kendricks!!!! and chip sent a big fuck you to bellichek lol.. have fun tackling shady twice a year…
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im so hype… Dion Jordan is NEXT!!! a LB corp i waited since i was too young during the buddy era to one dayy see… I want to cry tears of joy!!!
Hope every offensive player is traded for a stud defender!!! I LOVE YOU CHIP KELLY!! I will have a black Kiko Jersey to wear the day free agency opens…
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i want to cry, a true Philly Defense is on the way. I fucking love you chip!!..
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and shady stays with my afc mistress!!!!
hahaha. Still need a whole secondary.
Coming.
Dion, Byron Maxwell, Searcy… bring them all!!!
I want McCourty. With that cap space I want them all. Lol
get him!!! bring them all!!! save a few pennies for AP and i dont care if we ever pass the ball again!!!
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dominant D and vbruising run game… lets do it!! fuck finnesse ball!!!! Nasty bruising football coming to a Linc near you!!!
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jon jerry while we at it! lol im going full blown Fan boy!!!
MWUAAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Im so fucking happy!!!!!
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GEagle – Welcome to the Chip Ship. This D battleship is getting retro-fitted with the best money can buy. And everything is shiny, not weathered with age and wear!
Sorry only an eagles fan someone pls give me a summary on kiko.
he’s the man at ILB. Luke K. type skill at least in his rookie year. Injured last year.
Former oregon duck, had an amazing half or so rookie year in 2013, was a front runner for most of the year for ROY, was injured last year, torn ACL.
If he comes all the way back (an assumption everyone makes these days), he has serious potential.
ILB?
yep
kendrick/kiko.. geagles wet dream! such a bad ass move that it will make me talk in the 3rd person lol
bonafide badass.,.. picture if Luke Keachly and chuck norris had sex and thru a surrogate Ronda Rousey, had a love child….thats KIKO!!!
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THE LEGEND Of KIKO!!!!
Rhonda Roussey <3
literally the most dangerous unarmed woman on earth… need to impregnate her!!
Poor Tommy must be giving his Funyun-crusted keyboard the business right now…
Okay, ready to post my Cary Williams cut article….Damn, they cut Cole too….Okay let me edit it…..Grab some Funyuns and a PBR….Now, Megan? Really? Okay….About to press send….What the What?
we cut cole?
ypu cole gone, that was hours ago man.
holy shit… i was on a plane…. DION! DION! DION! DION!
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Vinny will be traded by the end of the weekend…Dion! Dion! Dion!… dolhins make a splash, trade for vinny Curry and stick him next to donkey Kong Suh in a 4-3
That’s a pretty decent front if you ask me. Would be a win-win for both sides.
shady and Brady are the big Losers LOL
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our LB corp would be elite:
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Barwin/Marcus…Kendricks..Kiko…Graham/Dion
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with our front 3 and an improved secondary? we are ready for war!! “who the F wants what and where they want it at? ” yes I just quoted Memphis Bleek…deal with it lol
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I leave the computer for a little while to cook a good dinner and eat and when I come back I find that everything’s been turned upside down
So this is your fault.
Isn’t everything? At least that’s what my wife tells me
Wait, you cooked dinner and you still get blamed for everything? I guess I don’t need to try that approach.
He didn’t say he cooked dinner for anyone else…
Replace “a Jedi Knight” with “Kiko Alonso?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyVDASOhC7o&t=0m5s
Eagles just traded McCoy for Kiko Alonzo!!
I’m not sure if I’m excited because of Kikos potential or that moves are actually happening!
oh you are excited fucker!!! get Hype! we got one of the young badasses in the game!!
do yuo not know the legend of Kiko Alonso? he is the fuckin Chuck Norris of the NFL!!!
Im jacked man!!!
i want to paint my face like a skelton and go headbutt windows like steroid freak Lattimer from “the program”,… i need to go to the damn gym, im going to just spazz out of sheer adrenaline
I don’t know what to feel…I’m in a glass case of emotion right now
HYPE!!! i want to headbutt walls out of sheer excitement!!
Kenjon Barner, your new lead back.
Words of wisdom for Philly-area women: Bring a coat if McCoy invites you on his bus to Buffalo…
General advice for Shady, wear a coat wherever and whenever you go anywhere in Buffalo
if we had to lose shady, im thrilled he went to my AFC mistress, top bills defense, rex ryan, and shady,,, i FOCKS with the Bills!!
Les Bowen just said it was straight player for player. If so, Chip got ripped off. At least a 2nd rounder should have come back with Kiko.
no way, cap savings alone makes it worth it. Kiko is a stud. Funny Chip got a deal done this year for McCoy, howie couldn’t get one done for djax.
No, I want more than a player coming off an ACL.
ho about $10m this year and like $6m next year, in relief from McCoy’s salary, plus another $6m in relief from Meco’s salary plus yo uget back the 1st or 2nd round pick you needed for an ILB.
How about that……….and a 2nd rounder.
He’ll, while we’re at it, make a first in 2016!
That’s excessive. But I still want that extra pick.
his acl injury is so old news by the time he suits up for us, he got hurt early it will be like 1.5 years gone by giving him like nerlens noel amount of time to get over the injury…
That could be true, but I still want more.
you trade for contracts in the NFL: not players… you traded a 26yr old 12mil contract who the bills have to give a new contract for,… thank the football gods we got more then a 4th round pick.. but we can surely duisagre.. to excited to argue!!
Wha huh? With McCoys contract and all these rbs in the draft?!?!
I want more.
You would. You greedy bastard, lol.
True. But I want more!
Disagree. The RB has become so disvalued that I thought they might straight out cut MCoy than pay him the salary he was owned. There are a lot of good free agent RBs and a very deep draft class. McCoy showed his first signs of falling off last year. I know the line had its problems but he didn’t have the same explosiveness as the year before. He’s entering his 7th year. This is a case of trading him one year too early instead of one year too late.
I want more.
getting his bill belicheck on.
we got like the defensive player of the year from a year ago
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if they did a re draft, Lane would be the #1 pick and kiko would be like #6
THIS. RB is one of the easier positions to replace. and it’s a position that a rookie can come right out and start. People who value RB highly I think end up being more college then NFL fans.
LOL he would say that…
The ripped off comment was mine alone.
im surprised we got more then a 4th round pick for shady and you are bitching over what would be the #6th pick of the 2013 draft if we did a re-draft today? if it wasnt for the knee injury we might have had to throw in like a 5th round pick with shady to get this young bad mofo!!!
Yes. I want Kiko and a 2nd for my asset.
I concur. Kelly hasn’t been able to find even a decent backup to just take some of the load off of Shady in two years, but now I guess he’s going to magically replace one of the best RBs in the league?
Any Riley Cooper types out there that play RB?
lol love the use of sarcasm.
Were gonna sign DeMarco Murray aren’t we? Just to fuck with Jerry Jones and screw over the Coywboys. Its gonna be awesome!
fuck murray..we dont want cowboy trash.. lets steal AP who jerry really wants!!! im Hype! ready to go full fanboy!! sign them alll!!!
I just want no part of AP right now. I’m really waiting for that other shoe to drop with him
So while we couldn’t get anything in return for DeSean, LeSean has netted us a potential pro bowl LB in his mid 20s.
Ladies and gents, Howie’s Magic is back!
you think it’s howie? I bet howie found out when we did.
lol
haha
I only get to do this once……but…
I told you guys……….
I said we were gonna trade Shady, made no sense to keep him at this salary. Made all the sense in the world to move him while his value was high.
GREAT GREAT Trade.
Chip. Killing it.
Needed more back than a guy coming off of an ACL.
But I like the general idea.
He’s a stud.
RBs on the downside of their career making $10 MM per are not worth Kiko Alonso.
I wouldn’t call Shady downside, but I agree Kiko is a stud. But my asset is always worth more than what you’re giving me for it. I want more.
So you wouldn’t make the trade?
Not straight up. I wanted a 2nd with it. I like Kiko’s talent, but I could replace Shady with Abdullah in the 2nd round and still handle my other business with other picks.
no way you would get a second with that. Kiko alonso almost won defensive player of the year. Not ROOKIE player. The old School thinking is that RB’s are valuable I think in todays nfl it’s not as much the case anymore. I would have liked a 4th round pick with it. Maybe a conditional 3rd based on play time but that’s all you would have gotten. This is already being viewed as a bad move for buffalo. We’ll see.
agreed. I’m hoping we get a pick as well, but it sounds like just Kiko for now
McCoy’s cap number is large this year, but he gets much more reasonable the next two. You just have to get through this one year, then he’s got a very attractive contract if he’s still producing. Still, Kelly may consider him a luxury and needs upgrades elsewhere.
you can get a steven ridley for $3m a year.
Steven Ridley always disappoints me in fantasy 🙁
frank gore?
Spiller? It doesn’t really matter. They are a stop gap until the RB we draft this year is ready.
As a former athlete in the Central League I can wholeheartedly say; RIDLEY SUCKS
Yeah if you think he’ll be as good at 29. RB’s man. If you don’t sell high on them you’re going to be stuck with the check. Mccoy wanted a new deal because he knew the birds could just cut him if they wanted because most of the guaranteed money was gone. The more I think about it the more this makes sense. I admit my jaw hit the floor at first.
Hard to doubt Schefter but Rosenhaus tweeted this:
Drew Rosenhaus
@RosenhausSports
4m4 minutes ago
I just spoke with the Eagles organization and there is no trade for
LeSean at this time. There have been discussions but nothing finalized
I hope this doesn’t fall apart because it’d be hard to keep McCoy or get the same trade value after this leaked
Trade by league rules cannot be finalized in till Tuesday at 4.
yup… rosenhause is a clown
That’s a pearl.
Yes, I know. The problem is Jason La Canfora confirmed the tarde and he he’s almost always wrong. Was right about Cole today though.
shefty went on camera wiht the news already
..
riddick spoke on it too
lol, that would be a funny angle.
Buffalo FO: hey Kiko, just wanted to give you a heads up, we’re trading you to the Eagles.
Shady: wtf?
Eagles: um we can neither confirm nor deny…
Nice to know the fans aren’t the only ones getting the silent treatment.
Trades can’t be leaked ‘Til Tuesday, but I suppose voices carry…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uejh-bHa4To
Next Tweet
Well, so it has begun.
I CAN’T TAKE ANY MORE!
BUT there is more. Fasten your seatbelt or grab a very strong beverage.
we got the NFL’s Chuck Norris!!!!! soooo Hype for the Kiko/Kendricks era.. ill gladly put them up against any ILB tandem in the league and bet they hold their own!!!
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so hype… dions next!! he has to be!!
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LMAO philly is going to adore Kiko!!! he was born to play in this city, dumb as an Ox, but one bad mofo!!!
This morning I added “not with a bang, but a whimper” to Tommy’s title.
We got our bang now, didn’t we!
lol… needed that Jolt… hope you start off tomorrow by jinxing it too…
OD:
You were well ahead of the curve on this.
Kelly wants his team with his guys.
And, I’m guessing, he doesn’t value players or picks like most folks (especially non-NFL executives).
Yeah AC, he has new value qualifications for each position. He’s learning what works in the NFL.
If the Eagles trade a pick for Jordan — higher than a 3rd Rdr in 2015 — then I don’t see how the Mariota deal can work.
On the other hand, a conditional pick — like SF did with Buffalo for Stevie Johnson – which could turn into a 2nd a couple years from now . . . that would work.
Of course, Miami’s cap hit is substantial if they move Jordan. Not even sure if the ‘phins have space yet to make a trade like that.
You could probably trade a bag of Funyuns and a PBR for Jordan at this point.
Only guy that can cover Gonk 1on1.
(As GEagle’s said a number of times.)
Jordan’s cap hit would not be massive. It might depend on when Jordan’s roster bonus is due, but if he’s traded after June 1 I think there is actually a cap savings for 2015 (at the cost of more dead money in 2016). Dolphins do not have a lot of room to spare right now though, so even a small hit could be a problem for them.
FO:
No question, a post-June 1 trade makes the deal easier for Miami.
Right now, Jordan would cost north of $6M on the cap for Miami to trade.
After 6/1, $3M and then $3M.
Right, $3M is going to count against their cap no matter what. They could accelerate the other $3M into this year, and not pay him his $2M salary + bonus, for a cap hit of $1M. Or after June 1, it would be a cap savings of $2M this year in order to move it to next year. They are right on the edge of the cap right now so they don’t have much wriggle room, so yeah, unless they clear a lot of room not sure it would happen until after June 1.
Can’t they just use a post-June-1 designation? Or is that only for cut players?
Re: Alonso – Rex Ryans- 2013 draft
First, it’s noteworthy that Ryan — a 3-4 defense guy — signed off on the Alonso trade.
Not a Ryan-type ILB? Or Buffalo’s incumbents (Preston Brown / Brandon Spikes) good enough.
And Bills wanted a work-horse RB for Ryan, which they get in McCoy.
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In 2013, Eagles never had a shot at Alonso.
Drafting 4th in Rd 2, the Eagles took Ertz.
10 picks later Alonso went off the board.
In Rd 3, the Eagles took Logan.
Ryan also loves his running game. They have talent at LB, they didn’t have the talent Ryan wants at RB. Also possible Alonso wasn’t happy in Buffalo.
I initially was thinking that maybe a part of it was Ryan switching from the 4-3 to his 3-4 and he didn’t view Alonso as a fit, but now I’m thinking maybe there’s more to his injury recovery and Ryan probably valued a top RB over a ILB/MLB.
Can we have a moment to pour one out for the Howie Roseman Era Eagles. Cole, Shady, Djax, Toddfather, Danny Watkins, etc. I loved watching those guys. But it’s CK Era time.
Danny Watkins lol
I was going to say Vick but i didn’t want to start a riot, tensions are high.
Tommy you are going to have ALOT to cram into your next post.
This is where Jimmy Bama’s stick-figure analysis pays off…
Last I checked he was currently struggling to catch his breath.
to review:
http://media.phillyvoice.com/media/images/Eagles_2015_offseason.focus-none.width-800.PNG
My favorite is the Nick Foles drawing… very “True Detective”…
And all this while Chip is going the Frank Underwood road of just murdering people.
And to think we all chuckled when he said sign everyone. Little did we know he mean it LITERALLY.
Alonso was one of the league’s very best rookies in 2013, racking up 159 tackles, four interceptions and a forced fumble.
Lane would be the #1 pick and kiko would be like the 5th or 6th pick if they did a redraft…
Meco is up next
I adore Mufasa… but only acquiring a bad ass like Kiko would I be ok with losing Mufasa
yeah i’m hoping meco comes back, good think about kiko is that he’s free. but with kiko i can’t see how you need meco.
I’ll miss Meco’s leadership and mind for the game as a field general. That’s a hole someone will need to fill, but the silver lining is there is now a space for a young guy to grow into that wasn’t there before.
At $6M – plus . . .
Easy call, it would seem
quite.
Chances of Brad Jones ever seeing the field — 0.
LOL what started off as a good day for the kid… ended, not so much…
Meh at least he can be decent depth who I would hope is better than Casey.
HEADLINE . . . Kelly’s a Genius as GM.
That changed in a hurry.
Or maybe it’s Easy Ed who’s pulling the strings.
Either way . . . HOWIE WHO?
Howie who?
More like, HOW ‘E DO DAT?
That sounds very Saints…
Nick Foles gonna be next.
This offseason is amazing.
That would be a shame.
depends on what we get.
Eagles trade for Dion Jordan!!!
Come on, that’s not funny. GEAGLE is going to pass out.
hahaha joking fellas
On the EMB that would earn you a 2 week suspension
Re: Eagles – Buffalo Pipeline
So in 1 year, the Eagles have traded half their 2013 backfield — McCoy Brown — for a 4th Rd pick and a starting ILB in Y-3 of his rookie K.
What will Buffalo give for Polk ?
What else does Buffalo have? Maybe we sign Murray and Peterson and trade them to the Bills, too!
Gilmore I hope. We need a CB.
Kiko still has 3 years left on his deal!
2 years.
2013 draft – Rd 2 pick
Apparently he was placed on non football related injury list and last year doesn’t count
you’d have to be a lawyer to understand all that
*Stares at ACV*
Really. Ok.
His rookie contract still has 2 years.
But he would be 3 years away from Free Agency.
Lost an “Accrued” season.
That means after 2016, Alonso will be in the same situation as Ced Thornton this year.
No contract. But a restricted FA — read, no way out.
Seriously? RFA? Why?
Would be great, I’m just asking.
An NFL player becomes an Unrestricted FA after 4 “Accrued Seasons of Service” — all per the CBA.
(6 games on the active roster or IR will result in a player getting an “Accrued” season for purposes of Free Agency.)
But a Non-Football Related Injury — which is what I’m assuming happened to Alonso — can prevent a player from gaining an “Accrued” season of service for Free Agency purposes . . . IF his team puts him on the PUP list, instead of IR.
Alonso, it sounds like, spent 2014 on the PUP list. As a result, he did not accrue a season of service for free-agency purposes.
Consequently, he still has just 1 year accrued toward FA.
This is why players — and the NFLPA — are so sensitive about how players working out on their own in the off-season are treated for injury purposes.
Costs them Service Time — which means it takes longer to get to free agency.
So when his 4-year rookie deal expires, he’ll still be the Eagles property for 1 more year as a restricted free agent. (Thornton’s the comparator.)
At least, this is my understanding of the CBA from a quick review last season.
Good!
Great intel, as always, AC.
Yeah bow no worries. It’s 3 years left for sure
Michael Silver
@MikeSilver
2m2 minutes ago
One Bills source: ‘Holy s—, this went down in 20 minutes…’
Chip: “Cary, we’d like to lower your cap figure…”
Cary: “I’ll get back to you after ordering new sconces….”
Chip: CUT!
Chip: “Trent, we’d like to restructure your contract in a downward trajectory.”
Trent: “Can I think it over on my hunting trip this weekend?”
Chip: NO!!!!! GONE!!!
Chip: “Drew, LeSean makes too much money for a 7th year RB starting his decline.”
Drew: “I’ll call you back. I’m making T.O. some popcorn.”
Chip: TRADED!!!!
I’ll.miss you Demeco
In terms of cap room, trading Shady is huge because it means -#25 contract and -#59 contract.
This. This move essentially gets rid of two contracts for one player.
and forces the bills to not re-sign spiller who CK wanted anyway.
How much cap space do we have?
2439489 minions.
After we inevitably cut Ryans, and ignoring the Kiko Alonso contract, that’s 7.5mm + 8.4mm and 6.9mm = ~23mm, and that isn’t including Cary Williams.
Over the Cap has us at appx $55 mil of space with a cut of Cole, cut of Cary, trade of Shady, and probable cut of Meco.
all of it.
Chip has learned from pats. Cut ruthlessly. No rb is worth shady money. We are not signing AP folks.
Belichick and Hinkie man. Bet those two guys are having a major influence on Chip.
He’s so smart. So so so smart.
You know what I like about Hinkie? He doesn’t care what people think about him, and he’s very deliberate in what he does.
I really haven’t seen that steep of a dropoff after the trades. I just want them to buy out Saric and get him over here.
Unfortunately it won’t Happen. Andulos holds all the cards in the Saric decision. My understanding is the sixers would jump at the chance to buy him out a year early but it’s all up to Andolu the Turkish team, who won’t be in a rush to lose a young stud who just won them one of those cup tournaments.
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Saric won’t be here ext year unfortunately. Don’t sleep on the SG/sf who plays on Sarics team. He will enter this draft or next years and he has had big games with Hinkie live in the stands…pissed mudiays team got knocked out of playoffs by marburys team, but Mudiay had two big games in the playoffs. Loved the poise he played with
And he’s ours! So excited.
Sign DeMarco.
Yahoo Sports reports Adrian Peterson is pondering potential trade
destinations, and is willing to consider a contract restructure to
facilitate a deal.
Get it done!!!
I will streak naked if we sign ap
I don’t know much about Kiko, but he’s had 2 ACL tears in 3-4 years?
Can he stay healthy and be a monster next to Kendricks? This is an important question because if he can’t stay healthy, this won’t work.
For the folks in the “we need to get rid of Shady’s contract but hopefully not have to cut him like Jaccpot/ any Rb can produce in this system” camp. Whatever the outcome of the Kiko health gamble is gambled on house money.
I would have preferred the Bills 2nd round pick to come along with Kiko instead of house money.
I don’t blame you.
In truth . . . worth the risk.
cheap acquisition.
Kelly might very well have cut McCoy straight out if he couldn’t make this deal.
McCoy and DJax . . . Reid guys. Not Kelly guys.
Maclin? He he’s probably the best FA WR on the market with one of the best, toughest agents.
you think his agent will talk him out of a deal?
I think Maclin’s agent, Tom Condon, doesn’t have to remind his client that the Eagles totally low-balled him last year and left him out on a huge limb . . .
And the Eagles could have locked up Maclin a year ago for a lot less than they’ll pay this year . . .
And Maclin has a chance to take care of his family, kids, grandkids, in a huge way because of how the market is shaking out . . .
And Maclin owes it to himself and his family to do what’s best for them — because a year ago, the Eagles didn’t.
Or . . . the Eagles pony up the money and sign Maclin. I just don’t think it’s gonna be cheap.
Agree 100%.
I agree that the salary last year was so low that i wouldn’t be ok with a hometown discount this year. Might as well see what the market will bear. but it’s unclear to me tat eagles will pay over 10m
As much as I cheer the team for cutting bad contracts, I don’t ever blame a guy for refusing to take a home town discount.
Spiller on NFL network… talking a little birds
what’s he saying? how he’s really interested in what we do in Philly? Kiko was his best friend?
said he would be a fit for Chips O.. and any other… looked like he found out, during the segment, that it meant he wouldnt be back in buffalo..
game is cut throat.
Yes, but don’t make that gesture! The game doesn’t support violence…
Maybe we sign him and trade him back to Buffalo?
Lol. Good one.
For shady?
Eric Kendricks I’ll.miss you
Will welcoming Mariota ease the pain?
(Assuming you’re an Oregon fan, sorry if that’s not the case).
I am an Oregon fan( don’t know what that has to do with Kendricks) and it probably won’t ease the pain if we are giving 17 firsts
It has to do with Mariota. I assume you kind of like him as an Oregon fan. 😉
IF Chip goes for Mariota, it will be really interesting what the Eagles have to pay, I agree.
Obviously in love Mariota but man the price has to be right
Totally correct.
for kiko, I have already forgotten all about erik..
If he is BPA….. Pick him up!
MCCOY
CBS’ Jason La Canfora reports new Bills RB LeSean
McCoy is expected to “make noise about wanting an extension,” and could
even threaten to decline to report to training camp. Per La Canfora, the Bills are “bracing for that already.”
For real?
he said he dind’t want a pay cut, that’s probably what got him traded.
An extension? He should be singing hallelujah that Eagles didn’t straight out cut him.
of course he will.. they gave up kiko, he has all the leverage. rousenhause will never let him report without some type of financial commitment.. its why you dont trade for quality players, they almost all try to get a new deal out of it. it has to be a really good fit,,, stick to trading for players on rookie contracts…dion! dion! dion!
Geoff Mosher
@GeoffMosherCSN
44s45 seconds ago
Eagles tried trade for him last year RT @AroundTheNFL: C.J. Spiller says Bills called him and thanked him for his service with the team.
Huh? Did eagles sign him?
No, but that would a very cheap shoe to drop later on.
No, it’s saying Bills told him they no longer have interest in re-siging him(since they have McCoy now).
Brown can back him up again.
hahahahahaha
I hope there was a swap of first round picks…
I don’t. Buffalo doesn’t have a 1st round pick.
lol
crap…
Ehh this deal was very one-sided in favor of the Eagles, even without any pick compensation. Shady’s contract is outrageous at this point, and we just got a very cheap MLB who will also allow us to outright cut Demeco.
even worse they will have to extend shady and give him a new deal, his agent will never let him get traded without forcing them to commit to shady..why would they,. they traded Kiko, shady has all the leverage..
MLB coming off of a season long injury.
Yeah but if you want look up what happens to RB’s after 27, it ain’t pretty. This is the definition of selling high.
just to understand the next shoe to drop, Vinny will be a dolphin by monday, -Dion will be an eagle… and Curry will Line up as a 4-3 DE next to DonkeyKong Suh who the dolphins will splash sign…. Curry next to donkey Kong Suh, Kiko and Dion reunion… the big loser is shady and Brady who have to deal with Curry and Suh twice a year with Cameron Wake on the other side LOL
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Eagles building a bad ass defense philly can be proud of… our beastly puppy front 3… with a sick LB rotation:
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Barwin/MS2….Kendricks…Kiko……Graham/Dion
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and hopefully a quality secondary to match as the cherry on top… by the time we get to the draft, we may not evem need to draft defense.. lol wisonsin RB in rd 1, Jake Fisher folr RG in round 2… WR…
…..wow….moist.
Nice.
I was able to obtain some dash-cam video of McCoy driving to Buffalo. I guess he doesn’t always see the hole in traffic, either…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GXhGppYoVk&t=0m17s
That wasn’t really McCoy driving; the guy cut back towards the middle.
More of an “outside zone” maneuver then…
Seems like some Eagles/just axed Eagles aren’t happy.
Geoff Mosher
@GeoffMosherCSN
7m7 minutes ago
RT @Pro_Hunt58: No respect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Caption that!
Brandon Boykin
@BrandonBoykin2
6m6 minutes ago
Bruh don’t ask me anything cause I don’t know anything.. I’m just a #nickel..
LOL @ Boykins and being “just a nickel!”
who wrote No respect? Cole? he had a chance to renegotiate..shouldnt have priced his ass out of here
I thought he wasn’t approached about renegotiating?
I think that was Williams.
they definitely never talked to Williams. But I heard they hadn’t talked to McCoy or Cole either.
Williams talked enough for both sides.
my understanding was they talked to cole, but not shady or Cary,,.. and that they would talk to BG again later this week..
If the Eagles truly showed T. Cole no respect then that genuinely upsets me.
Cole showed O-linemen and QBs too much respect last year. 6.5 sacks isn’t cutting it for an $11.6 mil cap hit.
We have no idea what level of reduction Cole turned down.
But Cole has always been a class act. He’s a respectful guy who gave most of his life to this team. I seriously doubt that he got pissy because of a difference in perceived value alone.
Money will do funny things to people. Always does. I don’t care if I was in trouble for upper decking the bosses private bathroom toilet at work, I’m not trying to make less money next year.
True
he didn’t want to take less, just spread it out, don’t think CK was hearing that noise.
i will always appreciate trent cole and love his eagle career, but if he looks around this stacked OLB market and thinks he should be paid more then 3mil a year when we are passing up a golden market to replace an old edge rusher so he can retire for us, then he is out of his mind.. he been overpaid for a few years now, blocking young players like BG… he made more then he was worth for a few years now.. if he wants to retire as an eagle he should have played for 3mil this year as far as im concerned… fock nostalgia.. this is year 3, rip all the band aids off and get the next era of beasts in here
Confirmed through Sam Lynch and agent Joel Corry(Sam tweeted him) that the Eagles have 3 years until Alonso is an UFA.
Wow. Nice job chip. We got a young ILB and 20m in cap space.
Even though Alonso has only 2 years left on his rookie contract, here’s why —
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An NFL player becomes an Unrestricted FA after 4 “Accrued Seasons of Service” — all per the CBA.
(6 games on the active roster or IR will result in a player getting an “Accrued” season for purposes of Free Agency.)
But a Non-Football Related Injury — which is what I’m assuming happened to Alonso — can prevent a player from gaining an “Accrued” season of service for Free Agency purposes . . . IF his team puts him on the PUP list, instead of IR.
Alonso, it sounds like, spent 2014 on the PUP list. As a result, he did not accrue a season of service for free-agency purposes.
Consequently, he still has just 1 year accrued toward FA.
This is why players — and the NFLPA — are so sensitive about how players working out on their own in the off-season are treated for injury purposes.
Costs them Service Time — which means it takes longer to get to free agency.
So when his 4-year rookie deal expires, he’ll still be the Eagles property for 1 more year as a restricted free agent. (Thornton’s the comparator.)
At least, this is my understanding of the CBA from a quick review last season.
[Repost]
Ah-ha!
They better spend this cap space they have. I dont see the point in carrying over 20 million in cap space every year. Its just a waste if you dont spend it. I’d rather be just under the cap every year and utilize every dollar.
If you spend less than 50% of the cap roll over, you can consistently spend over the cap. Forever. Specifically for us, I’m sure you understand that having a $10mil advantage for as long as we need is better than spending all $20mil now. And down the road when you’re one player away from a title, break the bank. This is not that time.
all true…but it only becomes an advantage if you eventually use it on something
Also Maclin? He’s gotta be like WTF, i’m starting to think he’s not back.
They’re going to spend their cap space somewhere.
Anyone think Mariota won’t happen?
Why? Is he hologram?
Nope. It’s happening.
Me. I still think Tampa takes him at #1.
Over Winston? No way.
Winston goes #1, then Titans decide the fate of a lot of other teams with who they pick.
A kid that played in the title game? I think he doesn’t make it past 5 at the latest.
me
ditto… it’s not happening today, tomorrow or April…
first of takes a certain level of hubris to think the other teams will let us have marriotta..as if there arent teams in the top 15 who would love to have a QB prospect like him..everyone delusionally talks about the hypothetical jets deal, thinking he can fall to 6 and not pay as much and every other team will stand by and watch it… every team finds out what every team has in mind on draft night.. all the top teams would love to trade back usually..so after the Eagles tell the Raiders they are asking too much, and we work out a deal with the Jets…whats to stop Oakland from fucking us and letting a team like the Rams trade up a few spots, one ahead of the spot the eagles negotiated a trade up for marriotta?>
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if we have a deal in place everyone will find out about it…whos to say the teams in front of the Jets like Oakland and the skins wil cooperate and not let a team, like the Rams trade up in front of the Jets/Eagles to steal him? The skins end up screwing the eagles, they get extra picks they could use, and still end up picking high in gthe 11-13 range…
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Marriotta aint coming here, not when i see how Chip is trying to gear up to compete in 2015..
If anything I get worried that Snyder messed up the value with the RG3 trade. I think it’s way too expensive for one player.
If Kelly were to give up more value than that chart indicates, I’ll be apoplectic.
I rip you off, you don’t rip me off.
Foles went 14-4 with a flawed roster…out of those 4 losses, how many games did the offense win only to let the defense blow it at the end? 2 games? 3 games?…
Our defense during the foles era was good half the time, and bad half the time, and he went 14-4…. what happens when he gets a quality defense around him like Russell Wilson has?
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we have an elite DL..a move or two and we can have top LB’s… all thats stopping us from a seriously improved defense is a secondary and chip cleared the CBs off the the books today…
..we might have a top defense in place before the draft lol… in which case you spend draft picks on OL, RB, WR for Foles, and a much improved defense, and we ready to win games NEXT YEAR!!
It’s a smoke screen. That’s quite a bit to give up for one player. I don’t think teams that give up so much for one player are successful.
What if we just buy the pick for cash?
And yes, I’m aware that isn’t allowed.
Done!
hundley is the poor mans mariotta
Hundley is poor.
and sorry,,,
I thought that was Crabtree?
that’s the howie roseman mentality.
I think Mariota only happens if Kelly leaves the option open and multiple movers and players, for reasons of self-interest, end up lowering the cost. Without quoting Buddhist texts, there is a real risk of desiring too much, and I refer not only to the capital and personnel costs. Steely determination to acquire the prized possession can distort and corrupt the senses and the mind. In short, if Mariota does not become much more of a reasonable option and much less of an obsession, IMO Kelly would be foolhardy to force the issue, and I do not think he will.
Awesome. The Eagles trade their star for a near-ROY and the conversation swerves into religious philosophy. I love this place.
Context on Kiko injury
http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Kiko-Alonso-placed-on-ReserveNFI-list/52885b7d-5ccc-442c-a476-91cbc25ac2b5
http://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2014/11/buffalo_bills_lb_kiko_alonso_ahead_of_schedule_in_recovery_from_knee_injury_acco.html
Given that he was “ahead of schedule” in November I best not be hearing any PUP nonsense, this dude needs to be a full go for the whole season.
From what I can tell I’m just about the only other person around here besides you who has any reservations about this. I mean Kiko was an exciting rookie but even in 2015 an ACL tear is serious.
Also maybe Shady’s style isn’t a perfect match, but I believe Shady is a special back. Had an aweful terrible down year and was the #3 running back this season.
I’m not unhappy at all, but I’m definitely one of the few who don’t see this as a slam dunk.
I love the talent, but I wanted a 2nd rounder with it.
And the article says Kiko is going to be ready for OTAs, so that better be the case.
as geagle mentioned it’s not just the player it’s the contract. Shady due almost $12m this year. We’d probably have to spend a first on an ILB that’s not as good as Kiko and would have had to keep Meco as well. The trade makes TONS of sense, just doesn’t feel great on an emotional level.
The cap space alone might have been the onus for sure, possibly make it worth it. That being said, there is a philosophy that special talent can’t be replaced easily, and no amount of dollars or draft picks are really worth the potential those things provide (a bird in the hand…).We saw that with Jaccpot. We sort of replaced his production and spread it all around, in a way. But you couldn’t replace that speed, it changed the offense significantly.
I’m not saying this isn’t going to turn out amazing. But I have a sneaking reservation in the back of my head that’s keeping me from dancing around the living room.
Kiko is a special talent. you’ll see next season.
Contracts don’t play football, players do.
The Eagles traded a hall of fame player, possibly the best running back in the history of the organization, for an inside linebacker.
Who signed McCoy to that crazy deal?
Roseman? (Or should we blame Reid?)
The deal with McCoy was supposed to be restructured this off-season. In the world where Reid was still here (or another conventional guy)
Regardless, Herremans practically said that unless McCoy took a huge paycut, he was gone.
And he now he is.
Ironically, the “he” in your last statement could refer to either of the subjects in your post.
balloning deals don’t look great when you get to the ballon deals. I think Howie realizing that players don’t want to give up that $$ even though it was never intended that they see it.
My feelings exactly
however, I will say that it was kind of painful at times to watch Shady run this past year. Way too much dancing. I think there’s a lot of backs that can get 1300 yards a year in Chip’s system. Which, I know sounds absurd, but I really think more of a one cut and go runner with break away speed will produce equally well to Shady
I agree with this as well.
Maybe the “he’s not hurt” stuff wasn’t exactly accurate.
personally losing shady gives me hope to go from Finesse to a more physical Power back since we still have sproles and physical football is still whats winning Superbowls..Ravens, Seahawks, Patriots….Physical Ball still winning lombardi’s…
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id rather lose Shady then Mac,,,,, I dont fear having to replace RB’s..
Polk is a N/S runner.
LOVE him… you can tell me polk is the #1 and sproles is #2 next year and thats perfecttly fine by me
agreed. I think a lot of one cut and go backs can duplicate Shady’s production. I’d love to see a one cut and get up field back with break away speed and some power to his game in this offense. Would love to see a back turn some of those holes into 80 yard scores instead of making unnecesary cuts across the middle of the field 20 yards past the LOS and get caught from behind.
Laveon bell type would be perfect
I asked earlier today how high the number of messages would get to if a “real” story happened and we’re reaching those numbers…
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I think some of us just talked if Shady was expandable because an elite back is not needed .. and here we are…
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wholly shoinkies(real word) … I’m in shock…I love me some Shady. Ok, took my boy DJ. Let my little buddy Mac go…now shady — we’re almost at fighting conditions…
im so happy… i would trade every offensive player we have for top young defenders lol
T-Law is fast at work on a new thread.
No fear.
I think T-Law just ordered a case of PBR and case of Funyuns.
Sent forget the life size poster of Megan Fox and some pudding.
I’m afraid to do something else away from the computer because I think I might miss Chip trading away Howie for the #1 pick.
You can watch the Flyers improve their draft stock vs. Calgary!
The Rangers need to keep losing too.
Hockey is boring on TV. It’s cool watching it live in the stadium, but doesn’t translate to TV for me.
Have you tried the SAP button?
What is the Secondary Audio Programming for hockey? French?
English.
Hilarious!
Eh. Howie will only bring us a conditional second with his recent promotion.
Mate i havent showered all day since i got back from training this morning.. Its 2pm now haha
The best at this Knicks game is the Alonso trade and their cheerleaders.
hopefully someone gave you the tickets
Yes. Sort of. My friend from Munich is here and wanted to see the MSG.
Madison Square Garten?
lol. Ja mein Herr.
Do you speak german?
This is gonna hit 1,000. Have we ever hit 1,000 posts on any non gameday post?
I’m pretty sure that either the first thread after either Gamble’s firing or Howie’s promotion/demotion hit 1,000.
Re: Kelly’s Progress
In the span of 12 months, Kelly’s unloaded the 2 best offensive players he inherited — measured by conventional NFL standards.
And the 3rd in Maclin may be gone, too. (If you want to say Kelly’s got a contract number in his mind for players and if they don’t take it they’re gone, then Maclin may be gone.)
That’s the 3 best offensive players on the Eagles — in conventional terms.
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What did Herremans’ say on the Radio about Kelly?
It’s the O-line.
The QB.
And the scheme will do the rest.
So far, Kelly’s sent his two greatest “skill” players away — in an league that’s all about points. And #3 could be close behind. (Or not.)
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What has Kelly done to show he’s gearing up to win in 2015?
He’s cut a bunch of guys and acquired an ILB.
Until he does a whole lot more, we have absolutely no idea whether Kelly’s setting up the Eagles to win ASAP.
Or over the long haul.
As long as we wind up doing it with an actual QB and not a running QB, I’ll be fine with the results.
The long haul is what brings multiple championships IMO. Planning to stay on top with shrewd moves and cap management. Belichik has been in the mix the majority of the last decade and a half with long haul thinking.
Call me crazy, but the moves today really led me to believe that Chip will pay the Buccs whatever it takes to pick #1. Chip doesn’t strikes me as a guy that wants to put the decision Mariota or Winston into the Buccs hand.
I can’t prove that, I’m not saying it’s the right thing to do, and maybe I’m just freaked out by all the stuff that happened today. But I think Chip will fill most of the holes in FA and go all in on MM. I think he thinks: give me that one perfect QB for my system and the rest will work out.
I completely AGREE!
The move only lead us to believe that Chip let go of one Oregon tie(Casey) and had to get another on his roster before he fainted of separation anxiety.
D:
I agree.
But how do the Bucs let go of the 1st overall pick and a chance for Winston (assuming they deem character passable) or MM?
. . . unless, in the Bucs’ view, both Mariota and Winston are not close to worth the 1st overall for them?
You’re right. Maybe the Buccs like Foles, after all. I think the Buccs will take Winston, because Lovie is an ultra-conservative coach. But I think Chip won’t care what he thinks the Buccs will do.
I think Chip is going to make an offer the Buccs can’t refuse. I just hope it’s only this and next years draft we’re talking about (1st and 2nd rounders, + probably a few more late rounders).
D:
The cost per the chart can certainly be paid with a swap of 1s plus giving up two 2nds and another 1st and a conditional something or other in 2017 (not a 1st or 2d).
I’m wondering if Kelly’s looking around and saying two things: (1) “yeah, I like Nick Foles . . . but I wanna take a shot with the QB I draft, not a kid I inherited.” (2) If I don’t try for Mariota now, I’ll never have another shot at a QB like him again.
Those comments about Mariota’s cat-quick mind stand out.
I think Nick, as much as I love his 4th Q guts, may have disappointed Kelly in that regard this past year.
“yeah, I like Nick Foles . . . but I wanna take a shot with the QB I draft, not a kid I inherited.”
He would neither be the first nor the last NFL HC to think that way.
but that NFL HC didn’t move from 20 to number 1 to draft him…
Chip is not conventional. 😉
And no other talent if you give up that much.
Foles, 20th pick, First rounder in 2016 is about what I’d give Tampa for the #1.
“Foles, 20th pick, First rounder in 2016 is about what I’d give Tampa for the #1.”
Says the guy who wants a 2nd on top of Kiko for 12m Shady McCoy.
You would never get a trade done as an NFL GM. 😀
If Feeley gets you a 2nd. Kolb gets you a 2nd. What is wrong with Foles and two ones getting you a 1?
Swap firsts (obviously) and two 2nds and next years first and maybe a later round pick would get it done by the chart? That’s just using picks though, I wonder how much you think Nick Foles is worth. Is he worth a first? Two 2nd rounders? One 2nd Rounder. What about throwing in Curry and Boykin even though they’re in the last years of their deals? If you’re purging the roster anyway, planning on being big players in free agency, and would probably move on from some of these players anyways, I wonder how many draft picks you could salvage and make the deal a no brainer for both sides.
J:
In late December, I kicked around what kind of trade would have to be made to get from 20 to 1 based on all past deals like this — looking at picks and players.
The problem with Foles, if I’m another team’s GM, is he hasn’t had a clean 16 game season.
So that makes his worth a 3rd for sure.
Maybe a conditional 2nd in 2016 that turns into a future 1st (in 2017) if he and the team hit some markers.
In terms of a deal with Tampa, if you’re Licht and Lovie and Kelly’s willing to deal anyone (as OregonDucker says), then the guy you’d probably want is either Lane Johnson or Fletcher Cox — who’d make the Tampa defense instantly damned good.
I just can’t see Kelly parting ways with either of those 2 guys, especially LJ (after what Herremans said).
Agree with all that except Foles’ value. This is a league starved for QBs. Foles’ floor is essentially a middle of the road QB, with a chance to be much more. If Kevin Kolb’s half a game as a starter where he ran around scared for 3 quarters until Clay Matthews concussed him into next week gets you a high second round pick and a young starting CB who was taken in the first round, if Matt Cassel gets you the 34th pick in the draft, if Charlie Whitehurst gets you to move up 20 spots in the second round and a 3rd round pick, and AJ Feeley gets you a second round pick, I’ve gotta think Foles is worth a lot more than a 3rd rounder.
The locker room wants to know too. Things will be come clear by next week. Just stay drunk for a week to relieve the stress.
Can I use this as an excuse with my boss?
Just tell him work stress.
you talk like someone that knows something no one else does. Like you’re sitting on a big secret. What do you know OregonDucker?
I know a few things but they are all hearsay. I think I know Chip’s priorities pretty well. Remember this, Chip wants to win now. He does not give a damn about NFL tradition or any other BS. He will do what he has to do to win now.
Damn you Ducker…the only thing I can grasp at is hearsay…reveal your heasay! … please
He just said all he needed to say…it’s quite clear…
Agree! I don’t care for hearsay, I heard too much rumors to care anymore. 😀
It’s not fair to the players, even if it’s a 90% done deal. Do not assume anyone is sacred on the team. It’s all about performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMwc1c0HRQ
Seriously!! 😀
You still thinking getting MM is 90% still. Or is that fading?
I can respect that…but it doesn’t mean I have to like it
our kicker? but I like our kicker!!!
The only other players I can see them getting rid of are Maclin (not resigned and replaced with a FA), Foles, Mathis, going out on a serious limb – Kendricks which I really hope isn’t the case, Cooper, Curry and Boykin. Maybe Thornton as well if we sign someone like Suh on Tuesday.
No way we get rid of Jenkins, already needing to replace 3/4s of our secondary. Barwin is safe. No conceivable reason to get rid of our only OLB that’s in his prime, a great team guy and signed to a reasonable contract. Kelly has called Fletcher Cox our best player multiple times. Logan seems safe. Doubt they’d dismantle the Oline any further without good depth at this point. Sproles isn’t going anywhere and I doubt Chip gets rid of his buddy Celek just yet. Ertz is safe.
The only one’s I really wouldn’t be surprised to see moved or cut are Cooper, Foles (if we get Mariota), and backups like Curry and Boykin that will leave next year anyways.
just wondering – if he wants to win now — what happened last years off-season? (DJ doesn’t count as a move to make the team better). Was Chip hanging the whole season on just Jenkins and re-signing Nate?
no i think it was howie saying let’s do it my way. this year it’s chip saying, let’s do it my way.
So, basically as long as we protect Nasty Nick, we’re golden.
As long as Foles has someone to throw to besides 86 and 81.
Or does Kelly think that’s enough in his scheme?
So I guess this isn’t the time to mention that Lane Johnson told Matt Lombardo that the Eagles coaches love Nick Foles. In other news, Casey Matthews sent a note Mychal Kendricks to see if he wanted to be friends. Kendricks checked yes!
McCoy told someone that just a couple-three weeks ago . . .
So the point is?
I was being sarcastic. I’m tired of hearing this as if it’s news or some player will come out against another player. Wasn’t meant to be a serious post.
AG:
Sorry. Understand. Agree.
Do we need to hold our breadth until next Tuesday or this final final?
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Is Cole official?
Cole is as official as you can get. He’s already screaming about “No Respect!!!!!!” on his twitter feed and talking about moving on to another team.
did they just trade shady ?
Wait, WHAT? Where did you hear that?!
Great. Chip doesn’t feel the need to answer any questions at some event he’s speaking at tonight, so security is blocking the media members in attendance from talking to Chip.
I want some accountability! That is the singularly most frustrating thing about Chip replacing Reid, cutting off the fans. No open training camp. No speaking or answering interview questions, etc. It’s very frustrating.
I’ll take any of what Chip has to offer over the Walrus saying “I have to do a better job” ever freaking question…
I agree that was lame, but Reid was significantly more open to answering questions to the best extent he could without giving away any vital information. I just hate to be stuck with a lot of conjecture before, during, and after every move.
Why the heck do they need to be accountable? Because you buy a bag of Fritos, do the Frito-Lay execs need to explain their hiring/firing decisions to you? You’re not a stockholder. You purchase an entertainment product.
My tax dollars paid for that stadium, thank you. And they’re not IBM, they’re a public product that thrives on special legal treatment from elected officials to earn what they do.
The corporate / Frito analogy is not even remotely apt.
Even assuming enough of your tax dollars went towards that stadium for anyone to care about your opinion on their executive decisions (you didn’t. They don’t), the stadium isn’t owned by the Eagles.
No but responsiveness to fan interest in the league built the league. Being available to dignify legitimate questions with the most appropriate responses at the time speaks to common decency.
“never rat on your friends . . . and always keep your mouth shut.”
Even Jimmy Conway invited the Feds to go for a ride with him at one point.
You don’t have to discuss Shady at all, but some context on the team’s logic on Cary being cut would be appropriate.
That’s a great scene!
Kelly? In his view, I think he talks with his actions.
But I’d like to hear something, too.
Yeah, and I don’t even mind double speak answers. I just want them on record when we’re evaluating the season in retrospect.
Who cares I don’t.
Then comment on something that you do.
Sorry, I meant I care that you bring this up. If you offer a comment, then you are saying “what do you guys think?” otherwise write it on a piece of paper.
Melvin Gordon….come on down!!
I’d rather take Abdullah with Buffalo’s 2nd round pick……….. oh wait.
Dude, are you joking with that “2nd rounder” stuff? Only because you would like to have Kiko + 2nd round, doesn’t mean the Bills would ever do that.
In a world where AJ Feely gets one a 2nd round pick, I’d like Kiko and a 2nd rounder for Shady. Doesn’t mean I don’t like the player we got, I just wanted more.
I’m pretty sure there wasn’t more to get. Especially not a 2nd rounder.
Then we didn’t get it, but that doesn’t stop me form asking for it aggressively and complaining about the lost value in perpetuity.
We can’t convince you to ask aggressively and complain in perpetuity in direct communications to the team, instead of rants on a forum, can we?
Ha ha. Nope. But who says that isn’t going on at the same time?
Cj Spiller will be an eagle next Tuesday.
don’t you think we get a rook?
how about both? Sproles aint young and Polk might not be worth a 2nd contract.
Yep. This.
Not in the 1st
We will get both.
Is Spiller more of a north-south guy? I don’t think so but I didn’t follow the Bills, so I could be wrong.
I think Chip prefers a north-south runner.
Yip Spiller NS in goneski if there is space in front.. Just injuries concerning
Spill is totally a N/S guy. And while lacking Shady’s elusive nature and overall skills, he can totally take it to the house on any play.
My only problem with Spiller is too many missed games due to menstrual cramps or whatever he keeps missing games for.
I think they get 2 RBs, one in FA and one in the draft. Question is do you want a Stevan Ridley/Mark Ingram type in FA and an Abdullah type in the draft or a Spiller type in FA(will be more expensive) and a bigger guy(Yeldon?) in the draft.
He is, also has added value as a KR (reason Shady isnt a returner is he isnt NS guy)
I prefer role players as returner. Starting RBs get hit enough on Offense, don’t need that on ST.
But options are never a bad thing.
And he’d be an Eagle already if Buffalo wasn’t too cheap to trade him to us for what we offered them last year.
cj spiller is dumber than box of rocks (i’ve met him). i cant believe kelly would have interests.
good, that way he won’t think too much before hitting the hole.
no, i mean it’s alarmingly dumb. how he got into Clemson shows how much Dabo got school to change.
Alarmingly dumb is the best description of a person I think I’ve ever heard.
How do you mean dumb, like Forest Gump?
Can I ask what specifically makes him dumb? I’m just wondering
What if Demarco Murray is an Eagle?
no way you play with someone who’s always — always hurt — and just toughed out a contract year … he’ll fade fast…
Well TATE is currently burning down.
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shoot missed it by that much
u r?
huh?
Pics or it didn’t happen!
i dont post over here often, so what’s the concensus on IB?
We are pretty sure something big is going down. Maybe a trade, or something.
Think so? I don’t sense anything…
my theory is Chip had enough of Howie’s cap genius status. take your 15m rolloever and see my clearing 50m.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neU0PWenT9Q
Think it was the right football move, sad to see shady go.
Attn . . . OregonDucker.
You wrote that no player on this roster is sacred.
Do you believe that Kelly would trade Fletcher Cox? Or Kendricks? Or Lane Johnson? Or Jason Kelce?
I’m hard-pressed to see him parting with any of those 4 guys. Anyone else. But not those four . . .
unless getting Alonso was a prelude to trading Kendricks — which would cause the explosion of many heads in Philadelphia.
THOUGHTS?
I could see Kendricks being gone, hard to put my finger on one thing, it’s the little things
I’m not sure that would make any sense…
I’m implying he is short with short arms
he’s young — good — on the rise — cheap. He’s not going anywhere — and it would create another hole they just filled.
I love Kendricks, just saying, He’s not a Chip pick, and not an ideal fit. Being on his rookie contract will help, but i think he and Boykin may move on when their contracts are up. That being said, I think Kendrick’s chances of sticking are pretty high on my book. But he’s the only one of the 4 ACV mentioned that I could see getting the boot. Not this year though, that’s for sure.
So outside of been 5’11, what is not ideal about Kendricks?
Out side of coming up short of an ideal by the very definition of what an ideal is, what else?
Listen you’re approaching this the wrong way, like “why does Ark think Kendricks should be cut/shouldn’t be resigned?”. I think he should be absolutely be resigned. I think he’s a great young player. The question should be “why is Ark concerned Chip might not resign Kendricks?”. I’m saying there’s a chance when it is time to resign Kendricks (next year?) that Chip won’t be willing to pay his market value. Short play maker is acceptable on a rookie deal, but I think there’s a chance someone else will value him more when he faces free agency is all. It’s not a slam dunk or anything. Just a concern that takes him out of the safe zone in my mind. Honestly to me the only player from the Reid era that I think is safe is Fletcher Cox: durable, special talent, and a fit. He’s the type of player I could see Chip shelling out cash for in FA.
Yes for Mariotta.
RNE:
What’s your order of those 4 in terms of willingness to trade?
that’s tough and I’m not enough of an analyst like some other guys here, but I’d say in order of preference Kendircks (now that we have Kiko), Lane, Cox, Kelce. Though maybe I am over valuing Kelce, but the O just seems to totally fall apart without him.
But it’s all valuation right. You can argue that you should throw in a 3rd one before one of these guys. Because the pick will be low most likely, and these guys are like a 1 that hit.
kicker is safe .. and dorenbos. and 1 of our remaining tight ends
and casey and his spider chart.. he is afterall A DUCk
Now imagine if we somehow land Kendricks lil bro… that’s a lb core,
just need to invent a defense with 3 ILBs and then were golden
AC – Sorry for the tardy reply, wife wanted to go out for dinner.
Kelly is going to trade based on age, cap, and performance – I’m sure he has a value chart that ranks players and position importance. Chip also has a trade calculus that throws in the latter parameter, position importance.
Having said the above, I do expect some heads to explode in Philly in the near term. Because we don’t see the film Chip sees, nor see the after hours commitment by a given player. I expect more surprises.
“The Eagles just traded an expensive running back for a young stud linebacker, and opened up 12 mil in cap space. Hell yes.” — Tyler Alston’s tweet made on BGN’s tweet list congrats.
Belichick speaks.
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Boy, you are slow.
well, that’s not PC at all…
Calling it, Chris Polk lead back 2015!
I guess Chip gives everyone a chance to earn a starting role, but he is going to have trouble beating out AP.
nah too injury prone.
This trade isn’t bad I just have a bad feeling ugly things are about to happen
O:
what moves would you put in the column with “ugly” at the top?
Ugly Cowgirl?
This guy’s “QB” play is very ugly.
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Brett+Hundley+Oregon+v+UCLA+Eh3LxZXFAdpl.jpg
this for a start. BWest hurt a bit
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/03/03/reaction-mccoy-trade/#more-2919925
not to mention that trades are rarely popular in the locker room. A lot of very popular (in the locker room) veterans are likely to be cut or traded when all dust clears.
That’s for sure.
Kelly’s doing now what some folks wanted him to do when he arrived.
But he took a very patient approach and learned the locker room and the NFL.
And he consolidated his power.
He probably never cared anyway, but now he absolutely can tell players “my way and you’ll like it, or hit the bricks.”
We’re signing Murray!!!!!!!
NnnnoOOOOOoOOOOoOoo!!!!!11111111
I don’t think Nick is going to be gone because there’s no guarantee, no matter how desperate Chip is to have Mariota, that he is going to get him, and if you get rid of Nick then what? Sign Sanchez again?
I have a feeling Maclin is going to be gone. Too expensive.
If we signed Worlids, Mccourty and Maxwell that would leave our D looking scary good on paper, but what about the O? Confusing times.
oh it would resemble a team of dreams
Take that back! Take it back right now!
I think Chip looked at the two SB teams this year and looked at what the had in common.
Chip can make the offense work with the players he’s got, but our D sucked, so why keep those guys around just because?
Swap Worilds for another OLB and you’re in business. Worilds is going to be too much money for a guy who averages 7.75 sacks a season over the last two seasons.
Indeed i am pretty uninterested in Worilds, I think McPhee is a better player or trade for DION JORDANZ
Somebody pointed out on here that McPhee is too pudgy to run around the way we want at OLB.
I’m actually more interested in Sheard.
thats silly talk… we have like 37 LBs that can drop into coverage by the time we trade for Dion by next monday lol
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McPhee canty drop, but to compensate for that he can also lineup at as our interior pass rusher next to cox on 3rd down after we trade away curry, and we still have Barwin and another OLB dion or Marcus as the 4-3 DE…McPhee doesnt move backwards but the moron who called him “pudgy” is short sited that he can lineup and pass rush from practically every spot in all the various fronts we use…actually being able to replace Curry as our interior pass rusher as well. which matters as long as we keep thornton that cant play on 3rd down..
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but Im fine with Keeping BG instead of McPhee.
BG, Barwin, MS2, Dion… 4 OLB rotation of pass rushers and coverage guys with versatility
I’m sad that Shady is gone though. Just Kiko? BETTER GIVE US SAMMY TOO WTF.
He’s part of the Foles trade
a 9-way deal, with the Eagles landing:
Mariota, Sammy Watkins, and Kyle Long.
I will give Howie a stinky egg basket if he doesn’t somehow get Boldyn
Herremans would say “no”.
Better shot at Eric Wood.
Looks like I got unbanned from Blogging the Boys… hmmmmmmm…
time to find a new way to get banned?
I think Billy Davis is gonna have no excuses this year.
Just wait, you’ll see several on here.
lets make sure he gets a serviceable secondary though. No elite pass rush + otherworldly bad secondary is an excuse for bad D all day in my book.
$50+ mill cap space will fix a spot or two
Dare I say “It better!”?
He will when we sign Murray, Forsett, and trade for AP!!!
Virgil Green will happen. AT this point we can outpay any real team.
my dude!!!
so it is NO big deal this guys injury history I guess right?
seriously
BUT HE’S FROM OREGON SO IT’S A O FRIGGING K.
I mean yes. At the same time even if you trade for a healthy player in the NFL there’s no guarantee they don’t immediately blow out their ACL in training camp anyway so yeah the risk is there, but Can you thiink of a better ILB we could have gotten?
Carolina loves overpriced running backs?
Playing devil’s advocate we just watched Maclin tear it up after two ACL’s. The chances of Alonso fully recovering and being the same player are pretty good.
Crazy thought, but maybe not too crazy in these surreal times…
Sign Marshawn Lynch to replace shady? He would be a monster in our system I bet.
I doubt they cut him
I’m adding this just because it made me legit belly laugh for like 2 minutes.
http://deadspin.com/whos-dumb-enough-to-ask-marshawn-lynch-to-change-1689015934
steven Jackson !
I just threw up a little
i sharted..
Bracing for the inevitable “dream team” comments once we start signing guys
Sorry I’m going to have to
Dammit Eagles, it’s a tuesday night in March. I checked the forecast and there was a 0% chance of the Eagles stealing my whole afternoon/evening. wth happened?
Your Eagles forecast must be by the same guy that does my weather.
Just tuning in, did I miss anything today?
We cut Cary!!!
Yippee. I look forward to Tommy’s article on it. Nothing else to write about.
we signed a backup ILB from GB lol
Suck for Ezekiel Elliot 2016!!!!!!
As a Buckeye alum and die-hard Eagles fan, I would love that dude to be in our backfield. But no way do I want to suck next season for that to happen.
i focks with him!!!
silly myths that are now in the trash:
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1) chip doesnt care about defense, that crap is dead when you trade a franchise back for a ILB..
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2) chip only wants “boyscouts”.. nothing Boyscout about Kiko, dumb as a brick, but strong as an ox, explosive, one bad motherffu…shut yo mouth!!!!
Chip doesn’t care one lick about boy scouts. He wants dedicated football players, that buy into his methods, play smart, play hard and eat, sleep, breathe football. People confuse Chip’s “culture” with choir boys. Nothing could be further from the truth.
absolutely right… as long as you are 100% committed to the game, will do anything for the good of the team, and committed to strive for excellence… you can play for chip… im not one of the people who bashed him and makes fun of him for caring about locker room, and culturew
PREACH!
Lay off the ‘roids and either stop spreading misinformation or explain how exactly Kiko is “dumb as a brick.”
“I take extra pride that I had an opportunity to coach Kiko,” Kelly said. “He’s awesome. I think everything that people are seeing in Buffalo is what I’ve known about him all along is that [he’s an] extremely dedicated, driven person both academically and athletically. He was a great student too. Over a 3.0 student.
“He made a couple missteps early in his career and really changed. I think he understood the opportunities that he has in front of him and everything that is happening to him now. I don’t know if it surprises other people, it doesn’t surprise me. Kiko is a special player. When you watch him on film, it’s Kiko see ball, Kiko tackle ball. We saw that at Oregon a lot. I think people in Buffalo are seeing that right now.”
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/03/03/eagles-wake-call-kiko-alonso/#BQa4V7Swh7Hw6PM6.99
Chip keeps things interesting. Could be a good move trading McCoy; my only concern is how Chip is loading up on his former Oregon Ducks. Could be a disaster if he thinks he can bring all his former players to be the new and improved Eagles. Can’t wait to read Tommy’s take on this. I think we can all say we didn’t see that coming. Trading McCoy for a draft pick, yeah plausible, but for a LB who wasn’t going to be a starter for the Bills?
What do you mean wasn’t going to be a stater? If he was healthy he was starting
I heard it on ESPN yesterday, forgot the names, but they said Alonso would be behind two other guys for ILB. They said buffalo was loaded on defense, so trading Alonso didn’t hurt.
LK was near ROY in 2013, check his stats, he’s the truth.
KA, not LK, right?
Yep, his rookie year looked great.
Foles also had a tremendous year in 2013.
Obviously I hope Alonso is a great LB for us.
not for nothing… he isnt starting Undrafted Ducks… he is loading up on top prospects,.,, I dont give a crap what school Kiko went to, Dion, Kyl;e Long, Jake Fisher, Arik Armsteasd, Deforrest Buckner next year…. these are attractive top prospects no matter what college they descided to go to…….
plus he has insider trading knowledge on them
he got that from Martha
Fisher I like between #30 & #52. Kyle Long still a bear? Or are you still threatening to fight all of Chicago for his rights?
lol im taking it easy until he reaches free agency, then ill get back to fighting the good fight,,, shiiiitr Long next to Lane? Hell to the Yes!!!!… replace Mathis with Fisher? sure why not…. i love getting young top OL who i dont have to worry about how they will play in our crazy tempo, and if they can even keep the weight ion playing and practicing at our tempo…
The rest of the 2015 eagles splash.. the day chip woke up and realized it year 3, time for the games is over!!
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1) Steal THE HULK from Denver..bruising young TE, perfect pairing for Ertz to repace Casey
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2) end the maclin nonsense and lock him up longterm
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Time for the fun..DEFENSE! DEFENSE! Defense!
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1)DION! DION! Dion! no point in losing Vinny curry for nothing next year, traded this weekend to miami for Dion Jordan… we get the prodigal duck to come home, and The dolphins will sign Suh to pair with Cameron Wake and Vinny Curry…Both sides win, Chips F you to Brady and Shady..let them deal with that Nasty dolphins line twice a year in the division..
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2) Come to terms with B dot Grizzle….solidifying our LB corp
a) OLBs: Barwin, MS2, Dion, Graham
b) ILB: Kendricks/Kiko
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3) Byron Maxwell… Carys salary plus Bradleys salary almost pays for him
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4) Da’Norris Searcy/Malcolm Jenkins… end of our safety problem…
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Get to the draft not even needing to draft defense, let chip go crazy and draft whatever offense he wants… i will have my top ranked defense, all will be right in the world 🙂
2015 Defense: return to Philly Defensive Glory!!
……….Thornton/Hart…………Logan/Beau……..Cox/Bair(Buckner 2016draft)
Barwin/MS2…………Kendricks…………..Kiko……………..BG/Dion
B. Maxwell…………..D. Searcy,……..M.Jenkins…………N. Carrol
Nickel: Boykin
Dime: Jay;en Watkins
That’d be great…just don’t see us resigning Graham and trading for Dion
highly doubt we would lose BG and Cole at the same time.. but we’ll see…. and with all the stud OLBs available, it doesnt have to be BG AT ALL…. pick a quality OLB, any of the beasts works for me
The only issue I see is with Dion then. He’s got a pretty decent cap hit of $6mil each of the next two years. That seems like a lot to pay if you’re also going to sign a beast FA OLB that presumably would be the starter. I just don’t think they’d trade for Dion to have him come in for a few plays a game for $6mil a year. I think if they do trade for Dion they view him as a starter and potential star in their system and he’s penciled in for the starting spot with a mid tier FA signed as insurance.
while i hear you, and those are more then fair concerns… i hope for an OLB rotation where atleast 3, preferably 4 quality pass rushers are rotating in at the two roster spots… we have 50million dollars, some how i think chip will be ok paying 6 for his golden boy,…also a guy like BG can slide inside next to cox on 3rd down so two of our other OLBs can pass rush from the ends.. theoretically we can have 3 OLBs in the game at the same time, not that crazy to have 4 good ones, two of which are on rookie deals. by the time we have to pay Dion, we can let Barwin go.. by the time we have to pay Marcus we cut BG..smooth transition from the present to the future era at a crucial position
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at the end of the day, Id probably rather sign Curry to a longterm deal and not lose him any time soon… so if you are telling me that i dont have to lose Vinny at the end of the next season, done, we got nothing left to discuss lol…. but If we are losing Vinny after this year,rather try to use him for a kid who has more time lefdt on his rookie deal who fits our scheme better so we have a chance at extending him past his rookie deal, which is my concern about Vinny, and the only reason trading him ever crosses my mind..
Salary would not be an issue. Much of his cap hit is signing bonus proration, which would all be on Miami’s cap. Eagles would just pay about $2.1 million in 2015 and $3.2 million in 2016 (all guaranteed, though there is offset language if cut). If after June 1, the Dolphins could spread the cap hit out over two years and save them a small amount of cap this year. Of course, it may still not make sense from Miami’s side — unless they really don’t want him around, may as well just pay the bit more and have him available.
if Chip kelly is going to give us an elite defense, i dont give a crap who he wants to be our QB…id be fine with Oregons backup QB if you give me a top defense,.,.,
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next two years build an Elite Defense, and ill stomach marriotta if i have to…. atleast he knows how to friggin slide..
I mean, this is crazy. The NFL is so crazy.
NFL on ESPN @ESPNNFL 1h1 hour ago
By cutting Trent Cole, Cary Williams & trading LeSean McCoy, Eagles cleared $31.75M in cap space today.
Alonso will count >$1M against cap
I feel bad for these guys man. Play basketball or baseball if you can people.
they’re a little high. closer to 25m. maybe assuming Ryans, which is probably a safe bet.
You realize what you are saying, right?
You feel bad for two guys that might be forced into retirement, in their early 30s, from a game, as multimillionaires, to go hunt and interior decorate.
And for a third guy that is now going to collect his $10 million dollars this year, for playing a game, from a different employer, unless he can work out a better deal.
The NFL is crazy, I’ll give you that.
guaranteed vs no guaranteed $$.
They get barely any guaranteed money and their bodies are blown up by the time they’re 30.
I stand by my comment.
Those guys who you are talking about have already made tens of millions.
I will agree the beat up bodies suck, but you will never get me to feel bad for people who make the kind of money they do. They make more in a year than most people make in a lifetime.
The guys towards the bottom of the roster who aren’t making 8 figures and don’t have guarantees and still get their bodies beat up? Yeah I feel for them. That’s a rough gig being towards the bottom of the 53 no doubt. But please don’t shed any tears for guys who will make more than you or I would see in 10 lifetimes.
Anybody concerned with the reprucussions of letting multiple star players go? Is it possible that Chip is starting to earn himself a less than stellar reputation amongst the leagues elite? I’m just throwing it out there. I get that he wants to win on his own terms and I respect that, but I do wonder if his style/approach will eventually backfire.
backfire how? whos opinion would matter enough to hurt us?
Just thinking aloud. The rumor might be that Chip doesn’t like nor will put up with star players who happen to be vocal. That’s great, but it’s the NFL and you can’t simply avoid every player like that. That and well, he’s still willing to pay a bum like Cooper a lot despite his piss poor play and his out of line comments.
oh you are saying he could get a bad reputation with the star players league wide and not be able to attract them….gotcha…heck we saw that reputations do matter a bit from the dirty banner era, it had to hurt if Howie and the new regime worked so hard to change the dirty reputation Banner brought us… so i guess its possible… but even with dirty banners reputation we stlll were able to attract some top FA….
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but with all the change up ahead, i am interested in seeing what type of reputation chip will have after this offseason
hasn’t stopped Belicheck
superbowls give you the license to be a prick…
Belichick 2.0 = Don’t give a f*ck x 2
It’s science.
jersey sales plummet
Which is fine by me as long as long as he delivers similar results. Another year without a playoff win and a LOT of players will tune him out. I hope it works, but I have some reservations.
Chip kelly actually spoke tonight, at some banquet or something in cherry hill…anyone know the gist of the convo? i dont know if it WAS ACTUALLY eagle related but he supposedly “broke his silence” whatever that means.. what he give his thoughts on the weather?
Well…well…well….now we see why their hasn’t been an announcement about the FO shakeup….Lurie is putting all his eggs in the Chip Kelly basket…we are stripping down the team and starting over…I assume that the conversations went with Chip saying he won with the holdover talent and built up goodwill…with a defense that had aging players at hey positions, unsettled QB position and an aging OL…it seems that chip said fuck it…..lets blow this up and get an younger team all the way around…here is my plan the next couple of years and ohh yeah I am calling all the shots on the players…roseman is tied to much to current regime and needs to move out of the way…I know what I want to do and who I want and will be successful…Lurie gives roseman some hush money and a cushy job and tells him to wait if things don’t work out….waiting to see what we do the next few weeks….if we go young….hope is that we go 8-8 next year….
“Roseman is tied to much to current regime and needs to move out of the way..” LOL is this a pun at howie’s office getting moved to the opposite end of the novacare building? or just a serendipitous choice of words?