Pick 20
Posted: April 27th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 779 Comments »Let’s forget the Marcus Mariota talk for a second and talk about pick 20. Who will the Eagles take at that spot?
Tom Heckert used to explain that the team would have 5 target names for their original pick. Obviously that would get adjusted as the draft went along and some guys fell or some of the names were picked. I think Howie Roseman took the same approach and I’m guessing Ed Marynowitz will as well.
So who are the 5 names this year?
These aren’t your Top 5 players or the guys you covet. These are players you like and expect to be on the board when you pick.
CB Byron Jones
OT Jake Fisher
Those are the 2 names I feel confident about. After that, I’m doing a lot of guessing.
Likely candidates for the other 3 spots:
CB Kevin Johnson
CB Eric Rowe
OT T.J. Clemmings
OT Cedric Ogbuehi
OL Cameron Erving
WR Breshad Perriman
That feels like it for me, but I don’t know anything for a fact. I don’t see Nelson Agholor being in play at 20, but the Eagles could love him. I don’t see any interest in Landon Collins. I don’t think either Brett Hundley or Bryce Petty is worth pick 20. I don’t anticipate any DL at that spot being of interest. I think the top OLBs will be gone by then.
Honestly, I’d be okay with the team taking any of the players I did list. The Eagles need help at CB and OL. Those players could challenge for spots right away. None of them feel like boom or bust types.
Perriman is interesting. He goes 6-2, 212 and ran sub-4,3 at his Pro Day. He put up tremendous numbers at UCF and would give the Eagles the vertical threat they don’t have right now. Perriman fits the Eagles offense because of his ability to work the middle and produce RAC yards as well as go deep. He is okay as a run blocker. That needs work, but there is enough there that I don’t think Chip Kelly would be down on him.
The funny thing about the 1st round is that there isn’t a player I covet. I like T.J. Clemmings quite a bit, but he’s got his share of warts. Fisher and Rowe have grown on me the more I watch them.
The players I covet are actually in the 2nd round. They would be Quinten Rollins, Phillip Dorsett and Ali Marpet. Even a guy like Stephone Anthony in some ways feels more compelling than the 1st round targets.
I think my preference would be for the Eagles to deal back from 20. I would love for them to add another 3rd round pick. I think if they got to the late 1st or even early 2nd there would still be some good targets on the board. It is possible that one of the 5 targeted players could still be there.
Josh Norris did a recent mock draft for RotoWorld and had the Eagles taking Penn State OL Donovan Smith at #20. That’s interesting. Norris doesn’t have a ton of inside sources, but he hears some things and isn’t just blindly throwing poop on a wall.
We know Smith made a visit to the NovaCare. That shows interest. He is likely to go late 1st or early 2nd, so it isn’t likely he’ll be on the board when the Eagles pick in the 2nd round. Smith isn’t as athletic as the Eagles usually prefer their blockers to be, but he does have long arms (34 3/8) and big hands (10 5/8). Smith had a down Senior season, but his 2013 tape is very good and he looked great at the Senior Bowl. Smith has the potential to play OT or OG.
Here is possibly his best game, when he got the best of star pass rusher Randy Gregory.
I can’t say I’d be thrilled with Smith at pick 20, but I would be fine with him if they moved back and took him. I think Smith can be a good starting OL in the NFL. There are just other players I prefer at pick 20 (that I expect to be on the board).
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Byron, Agholor, Clemmings, Perriman, La’el
I much prefer Conley over Perriman. Perriman may have ran sub 4.2 in his undies (with questionable timing I may add) but his speed on the field is very inconsistent. Dorsett doesn’t get run down very often but Perriman does. This team needs someone who can go up and get the ball.
crazy talk… you prefer a 4th round guy over a kid who is a consensus top 50 talent? stop it… if you believe that, you think way too highly of your evaluation skills… no offense… I get it, he had an awesome combine, I get it… and I like Conley, but come on?
Lol why dont you stop talking smack? Sure Perriman might be drafted high, but that does not mean he cant have a preference.
You are the guy who has a fetish for Dion Jordan still and Marcuis Smith.
My favorite part is a week ago he admitted he doesn’t watch film.
So he argues and has these constantly changing, but super deeply held beliefs in the moment, that aren’t based on film.
It’s ridiculous.
In an uncertain world, always beware of people with a belief in certainty.
Very nice quote.
Wow didnt see that. I admit I do not watch as much as others and enough to form opinions on everybody, but I do know Perriman scares me
Apparently your draft position dictates how good you’ll be in the NFL right? I don’t always shove my preferences down people’s throats but you’re the guy who was soooooooooooooooo sure about many things this offseason and all of us know how that turned out. Plus Conley will be a top 100 pick so get off your twitter hoarding and actually watch film.
Perriman = Kelvin Benjamin last year. The late 1st rounder in the 2nd tier of guys…. good. Put it this way Perriman or JMatt? Would Perriman supplant JMatt mid-season?
Thank you MattE for the comparison.
You think having cooper and Jmatt is enough to address other positions and hope a guy is available as a developmental addition in say the 5th, 6th or even 7th round?
Perriman is a poor man’s Kevin White. He might have timed better at his pro day but Perriman isn’t nearly as good of a football player. I don’t get what you’re saying about Matthews. Perriman would play outside if he beats out everyone at camp despite his rawness here.
Trading down to the end of the first round or beginning of the 2nd would be my ideal scenario. It would be awesome if Gurley was sitting there at #20 and we had multiple teams calling us to move up.
I’m with you. I think we could drop back and come away with 4 really good prospects out of the first 3 rounds.
There will be talent in rounds 2-4 at all of our positions of need: CB, WR, OL. I think if we can trade down and get our CB (or CB/S) with the first pick, we can use our next two or three picks on WR and OL – hell, maybe another DB.
The only thing the Eagles can do in this draft to make me unhappy is trade Fletcher Cox. I love the thought of getting a potential franchise QB but not if it means giving up #91.
As much as I want chip to trade back… If Byron Jones is there at 20 and Chip takes him, I’m good with that.
Yes. He’s definitely the guy I’m most enamored with. All I know is that I’ll be sitting there with my 11 piece box of Popeye’s spicy chicken so nothing will bring me down.
nothing except the 11 pieces of popeyes chicken
lol. i’m not afraid.
Do you think the stress fracture in Clemmings foot worries alot of teams and he may drop because of it? It worries me.
Trading back a small way in the first round and picking Smith.
I hope not purely so it doesn’t become a thing.
Trading back for to get all 3 of Rowe, Rollins and Marpet or Erving would be great if we could manage it.
mark eckel with the marcus smith trade rumors — ck can’t hate the kid that much, could he?
I don’t think after 1 season. Plus, he’s getting jacked and I’m sure CK sees him at Novacare.
I stopped reading after seeing it was written by Mark Eckel
Yeah like all the trade rumors about graham being traded right? stupid media
Mark Eckel is maybe the worst beat writer for the Eagles and the Eagles would lose 3 million in cap space, so even if Kelly do not like him, it would be stupid to trade him
I actually hope that Eckel reports things I don’t want to happen because if he reports it then it’s a stone cold lock that the opposite will happen.
Elliot shor parks challenges eckel for king of the local hacks
Finally someone interviews Wolff:
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/04/earl_wolff_expects_to_start_at_safety_for_the_eagl.html
Cool to hear snippets about him and Jenkins studying together, and Jenkins being so smart and letting him know some of his studying techniques. Praying his knee is 100% and can put it all together this year.
Me too. It’d be nice if he could be the guy. Better if Wolff, Couplin, and Watkins have a great camp battle. Or if just one of those guys can step up and be a solid starter.
This is the best 1-4 for the Eagles 1. Byron jones 2. Sammie coats 3. Quinten Rollins 4 Chris Conley 5. o line prospect ( nick Marshall and the wr turned olb as late round gambles)
Other 1st round guys I would like: perriman,bud Dupree, t.j clemmings, lael Collins or jalen strong
2nd: James sample, Damarious Randall, jalen Collins, dgb
If the Eagles select Sammie Coats at #20 then I willl go straight to the toilet to vomit.
He meant in the 2nd I think.
WR and DB greater needs than OL right now?
This is a good read on CBs that comp to the Seahawks (read: Eagles) current secondary:
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/4/27/8501599/nfl-draft-2015-seahawks-cornerbacks-jalen-collins-richard-sherman-maxwell
Curtis Riley sounds like an interesting mid-to-later round target.
Interesting stuff, so I went and checked the tracker at BGN (the most comprehensive one I’ve seen so far) and the Eagles haven’t met with this guy. FS isn’t in the Pac-10, so not sure if they have interest or not.
This doesn’t mean he won’t be drafted, but considering how meticulous CK is I don’t know if this guy is on the radar.
It’d be interesting if someone could do this for us by comparing some of the guys over the last couple of years to late round prospects this year.
http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/curtisriley.html according to this interview he had a visit scheduled with the eagles in April.
Ahh thanks, I stand corrected.
Cool, I’ll be looking out where Curtis Riley ends up. Interesting to see Amos in there from a Seahawks perspective.
Interesting for sure…wish he offered some more insight on some of the players though outside “sabermetric” comparisons. What these guys do well, don’t do well, etc.
Theory: Chip is from college ranks. You can not look past 3 years in college and must continually re-tool (good/bad), the average NFL career is how long…..3.3 years. With that in mind someone cerebral like Kelly “I think” will take into account that roster turnover minus cornerstone guys (maybe 10%-20% of your roster) will be around for a whole career (QB, Dominant defender, OL). Sticking to this I believe CK bought himself 2 years with little roster turnover to 1) Survey the NFL landscape and figure the pro-game out 2) Survey existing assets. The clock has now re-set and I would not be surprised seeing CK blow a team up every 4-5 years (if he around that long) in regards to 80% of the team… that being said I am sure he gave Lurie a 3 year plan on how to recover if Mariota were to be a bust… personally I don’t see us being a”legit contender” with or without Mariota next year (make playoffs and win a game possibly)…..so why not trade 2 years worth of assets to get your franchise QB? because 2 years down the road is not equal to the “future”
Interesting thoughts. Not sure if the idea is entirely practical in the big business of the NFL though.
Lurie would have had to buy-in/sign-off on this thinking from the moment of hire. I think he’s a smart guy and a good owner, but doubt that even he is that courageous.
Not that risky from business standpoint, eagles are going to make lurie money if they go 1-15. He’ll def take a hit in revenue but if I were in his shoes and wanted to win so badly I would take the risk after 20 years of getting close.
It’s only risky in the sense that it moves so far beyond orthodox NFL thinking to be revolutionary.
As far as business profits/loss go -there’s pretty much no way to lose money at this point with a pro football franchise, so yeah I definitely agree with you.
Everything in the NFL revolves around 3-4 year cycles…. In MLB/NHL/NBA doesn’t it feel like Harper/Crosby/LeBron have been around forever? Think about how many NFL players you get that feeling about… I’ll wait lol.
I think the sillier assumption is that most NFL owners are in the business to make money. Owning an NFL team for a billionaire is the equivalent of you and me working a 9-5 and driving a Ferrari. There aren’t a lot out there, they’re ridiculously expensive and enjoyable, but they serve no real purpose other than to show off to everyone else. The profits most teams reap from owning a franchise is relatively minor compared to what they take in from the sources that made them rich enough to buy an NFL team in the first place.
Its more about ego with the owners. Lurie wants to win a superbowl. If it means a couple less drops in the bucket from his NFL team (lets be honest, at this point two 1-15 seasons would be just that, financially) to win a Superbowl, I’m sure he’d be on board with blowing up the team.
BH:
Agree for sure only a few owners are in the football business.
Jerry Jones is the best example. And the best businessman in the 32-team club.
We heap crap on the guy all the time for the Cowboys’ personnel decisions.
In the meantime, he’s turned a $148 million purchase in 1989 into a multi-billion dollar brand in 20 years.
I think the last part is the important part. They don’t necessarily view their franchise as an income generator; it’s an investment. And one that, for most if not all of them, has performed much better than average, while making them very high profile.
with few playoffs wins to show for it.
I’m not so sure that’s entirely accurate.
There are some owners, sure -Arthur Blank, Paul Allen come to mind first -to whom their NFL franchise can be just another highly profitable investment.
But it’s not like Lurie is raking in the kind of cash that Eagles generate from producing documentaries. Even Dan Snyder is pretty much a failure (right now) in all of his businesses except the football team.
“Blowing up a team” every 3-4 years like in college has never been done in the NFL. If the goal is to win a championship, you’ve got to Chip Kelly’s balls to do something that radical.
I’m not saying it won’t work, or that’s not the plan. Or even that it’s a bad idea. I am saying that Lurie’s got major cojones if he signed off on it.
Don’t the Patriots kind of do this?
Good observation. Didn’t really see it like that, but yeah, they do.
Any normal business plan extends 5 years…. and honestly i don’t see a trade assets going beyond 2016 1st rounder due to us more than likely willing to unload a player or 2 in place of another draft pick….IMO there are a lot more Vontaze Burfict’s in the world than Tom Brady’s….We need to go get Mariota, period. If him and CK both flame out in 4 years we are back to square 1 anyway.
The fact that Eagles haven’t exercised Cox’s tender means he’s on the block right?
They might have exercised it. over half the 2012 draft hasnt been exercised in the public eye
you think anything could happen without us knowing about it? certain members have “sources”.
I think if we visited with a bunch of prospects and have had discussions with teams we haven’t heard about
Exercised…Cox’s…tender…block. There is a joke to be made but I do not have enough coffee in my brain to make it.
the Rams just now announced they excersized the option for Micheal Brockers…… so was Brockers on the trading block 2 hours ago before they announced his option was picked up?
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i need a little more then Elliot Shor Parks or Mark Eckel taking turns making up rumors to believe the single best player on the Eagles is getting traded for a prospect…. but thats just me…
we announced we signed him to the tender, it probably doesn’t say anything one way or the other. Though i do wonder why we waited so long.
Skins pick up RGIII’s 5th year. Hahhahahahahaha
Redskins GM Scot McCloughan admitted he has received no offers for QB Kirk Cousins.
Why wouldn’t they? Only guaranteed for injury.
” Only guaranteed for injury.” Isn’t that the issue?
I mean, he also sucks. And they can cut him if he sucks. You want the option in case he’s actually good.
exactly.
there’s no way all the wr’s and cb’s that have projected to the first round can go in that round. trade back for more lotto tickets
I think Nelson Agholor should be included on that list. Clearly you’d prefer to draft him later after a trade back, but I do think he’ll be in consideration at #20.
I wouldn’t hate that pick, FWIW, I’m coming around on Agholor as a 1st-round talent. He’s a really good fit for our offense, high character, and Chip knows him well.
He gets comped to Maclin a lot, but I think Agholor may end up having a better career, he has a lot more shiftiness and change-of-pace to his game.
fisher
Jones
Bud Dupree (won’t last)
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Besides those names, I have no clue who they wiukd want at 20. But if chip wants agholor, he will have to draft him in round 1
Is there anyone that we’ve been looking at that you’d be dissapointed if we took at 20?
Clemmings, Randy Gregory, jalren strong, I would hate agholor if Perriman is still available . But I don’t watch film any more so I don’t really care, don’t have strong opinions because I didn’t put in the work to have an opinion this year on half the kids
no tj clemmings? b/c of the foot injury, or other reasons?
dont love him in round one to begin with. dont want an injured player in round, especially an OL with a stress fracture because that is an injury that typically you monitor a players weight and try to keep him in the 275lb range for the rest of their careers…obviously thats not possible for an OL, but everything I know about the injury is that when you get over it, its important to monitor your weight and keep it down… It may not be as big of a deal for an OL who doesnt have to run and jump, but we have enough injury crap to deal with to take an injured first rounder… now if the injury causes him to fall, I become interested.
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I also dont love his goofy dorky personality in an offensive lineman. I like the serious nasty, QB body guard types.. personaliy reminds me of Jonathon Martin, shawn andrews and some Offensive lineman I have had to play with that i couldnt stand,..
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when its our turn to pick in round 1, he wont be the best player available, with or without the injury
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someone on this site likes him, then everyone dickeats and jumps on the bandwagon and now this kid is over rated by about 20 draft slots by a bunch of mindless sheep///… not a top 20 talent
La’el Collins
If he slips to #20, high probability Kelly takes him.
From NFL.com Profile:
>> Thick through chest and displays upper-body strength. Has strong hands and will snatch and control less active defenders. He takes defenders for a ride once he’s engaged on the move. Loves to mash and intimidate opponents. Mean player. Can center pass rushers and end their attempt in pass pro. Utilizes length in pass protection and is acclimated to a pro-style offense. Able to run-block and pass-set laterally. Well-schooled and technically proficient. If he gets beat on a play, he comes back even harder on the next snap. Finisher. Can come in and play guard or tackle. <<
La’el Collins:
>> Brawling right tackle or guard prospect in the NFL who has had a level of success in hyper-competitive SEC West. Lacks athleticism to be a consistent left tackle, despite his snaps there in college. Collins plays with a mean streak that is evident in every game, and could come in and start right away in a power-running game as a guard. <<
I like guys like jalen strong, but we already have WRs that win with size and position… We need WR SPEED and Big play ability….I would go Perriman all day
We had guys running open all day last year without a deep speed guy. What we need is a qb that can get them the ball. There is more than one way to get open dowfield. You can be a great route running and still get clean releases down the field.
That is very true, but I think a guy with that speed could really help the whole offense. It adds another wrinkle that teams have to game plan against. Keeps the safeties more honest and can really open the underneath routes for big YAC.
Random, but how do you view the stress fracture in Clemmings foot, and how do you think teams view it heading into the draft?
I don’t find it that big of a deal. I don’t see a history of it from him. If this was his 3rd stress fracture I would be more wary. These fractures heal and from what I read, Clemmings didn’t even know he had one. He hasn’t been playing on the OL for that long so maybe his body couldn’t adjust to the stress fast enough. Physical therapy can work on strengthening muscles and providing better foot support so it won’t happen again. It could literally be that he didn’t have enough support in his shoes. I don’t know all the details but I would plan on the Eagles to trade down for him anyway, this would make it that much easier.
Yeah, it worried me initially untill I heard he didn’t even know he had it. I didn’t know if it was one of those things that heal quickly, or if it could become a nagging type injury.
I don’t think it’s nagging or there is a propensity of having multiples of you have had one. Like I said there are things to strengthen the muscles around the bone and different cushion modalities to employ.
Yeah, I’m really debating on whether we should go Perriman at 20 or trade back, get an extra 3rd and go after Clemmings. Also Jones at 20 would make me happy. I know you would rather have Strong in 2nd. I was able to watch some tape on him like you suggested and you were right. He gets better separation then I though and with an accurate QB could be lethal with the back shoulder. I am very conflicted as to what I want them to do in the first. Either way I can’t wait for the draft. I am trying to clear my work schedule so I won’t have to work during the draft. I just hope it happens.
I don’t think strong makes it deep into the second if at all. For the draft, I’ll have my 2 papa John’s pizzas, a 2 liter of Dew, some crunchy M&Ms, maybe some cheese curls and possibly a Caseys pizza. This should last me all 3 days……. Hopefully.
Lucky you. I’m in flag football league so I’m on a diet and can’t eat any of that good stuff. If I get off from work I’ll be eating raw carrots and broccoli during the draft. If all goes wrong I’ll be sitting on the phone arguing with people.
Perriman has nice size too, one of the reasons that makes him so intriguing. I really think him and DBG have the potential to arguably be the best WRs taken from this draft in a few years. I am all for Perriman at 20.
“Norris doesn’t have a ton of inside sources, but he hears some things and isn’t just blindly throwing poop on a wall.”
Tommy, if I have asked once, I have asked you a million times, stop giving away my draft strategy !!!
In my defense, my poop has not failed me since my honeymoon in Puerta Vallarta, but that’s a different story entirely.
Wonder what we do with Wrs Parker, White and Cooper will definitely be gone but everyone else is fair game
Parker is my sneaky slider, with such a deep WR draft i can see teams in the top 15 thinking that they will come back and get a WR in the 2nd round, and we may see all 3 slide a little – and Parker could slide down into the late teens and they i would love to jump up.
I love Parker I have him right there with White and cooper and I think they are all top 10 players in the draft, I’d love to grab him it would make the draft for me
i cant get over my Bobby Petrino Offense bias. he’s had a ton of guys put up video game numbers and cant think of many that have gone onto NFL success.
Over 800 yards in 6 games is pretty video game like lol
guy lit it up when he was out there, no doubt. just remembering loving all those Arkansas WRs and know i cant even remember their names.
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my hope (and know there’s zero chance of it happening) is White is foregone top 5-7 WR, but 2 teams fall in love with Perriman and Parker, and the WR that’s getting very little press, Cooper, falls. think he’d kill it in Kelly’s offense.
Just like Maclin would definately be gone? He was a Top 10 pick remember
Just about every mock draft had the Raiders taking Maclin.
Well, the Raiders chose a WR. Just the wrong one.
“Since Davis’s passing, the Raiders aren’t reaching anymore.”
I remember the Raiders would have picked DJ Haden at #3 two years ago if the Dolphins wouldn’t have called them literally last second to trade up for Jordan. They got their man (who seems to be a bust at this point) + a 2nd rounder.
If DJ Haden at #3 isn’t reaching, I don’t know what reaching is. 😉
DUI charges against Florida State CB P.J. Williams have been dismissed. “signs of impairment claimed by the officer was not corroborated on
video.” It good news for Williams three days before the beginning of the
draft, but the damage to his stock may have already been done. Williams
seems more likely to come off the board on Day 2 than Day 1.
Is there a lawyer here — could one sue if someone made a false or uncorroborated claim that caused my draft stock to fall and cost me maybe $5m? I’m not sure what the theory would be. But if Mariota was anywhere near philly, or oregon, i’d def have a cop pull him over for “drunk driving” or “exposing himself to a minor” and then dismiss the charges the day before the draft. day of even.
Interesting question and I think @ACViking:disqus is a lawyer.
I know it’s tough for criminals to sue prosecutors for bad behavior, it would have to be something super significant for a prosecutor to get into trouble or be found liable (i.e. Duke lacrosse team), considering how many people we see getting off death row for bad evidence or prosecutors withholding evidence (just one of many examples). There were some judges in PA that were disbarred for receiving kickbacks for sending a bunch of kids to a privately-owned juvenile center. Heck, it took video evidence of a cop shooting someone in the back for there to be any type of action against him, and this officer wasn’t violent in this traffic arrest.
Though just my opinions, I’d defer to AC for a legitimate answer.
First, the legal standard is:
The cop would have needed to be —
1. acting with the *intent* to falsely report what he observed (honest mistakes and errors in judgment don’t count);
or
2. acting with malice (reckless disregard for the truth);
or
3. acting pursuant to a county policy or practice of arresting drivers who show no signs of intoxication;
or
4. acting pursuant to a complete lack of training by the PD regarding DUI investigations and arrests.
Courts, of course, give the police substantial leeway in their evaluations of a potential DUI driver.
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That’s the legal standard.
Next, the victim-driver has to collect evidence proving, essentially, the cop *intentionally* busted him even though it was obvious he wasn’t DUI.
Presumably, the cop called in the plates and the driver’s license number (if Williams had one) to find out about any prior offenses/charges. Depending on what he heard, that information may fairly influence the cop to error on the side of protecting the public.
Winning a suit against a cop for false arrest or a civil rights violation (seizure under the 4th Amendment w/out probable cause) is right up there with beating a big corporation like Coca-Cola.
Would he not also need to somehow prove that he would have been selected x number of picks higher to show the financial damage? That seems like another near impossible hurdle.
Ah, the damage calculation.
Probably too attenuated . . .
And Williams pre-qualified under for no damages under the “I’ve already proven I’m an idiot” rule.
I dont know if I agree with this decision… but everything I know leads me to be absolutely SHOCKED if the Eagles draft a WR in round 1 over Nelson Agholor if he is still available…
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Put it to you this way, Im hearing he is Chips “Jordan Mathews” of this year. Super High Charachter committed to football that chip will adore..
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I dont know if we go WR in round 1, but if we do, Its going to be Agholor unless something crazy happens and an unexpected WR falls to #20..
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Personally I like Perrimen,but after what I just heard, Ill; bet THAT we dont take another WR if Nelson Agholor is still available… ill leave it at that
hopefully that doesn’t happen, i didn’t love pope last year, i don’t love NA this year but whatever. I think you gotta sacrifice talent a little if character is really important to you
I dont hate Nelson, but I expect there to be WR’s I prefer over him available at #20, so Im with you,..
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If this is true, hopefully we go with a different position in round 1 to avoid this
The smart play would be to trade down and get Agholor, then trade up to grab Rowe in the second.
ESPN just did its NFL NATION MOCK DRAFT and they have the Eagles taking Perriman, and the Bengals taking Agholor the pick right after us…. Hopefully espn knows better
I thought this after the initial visits and they seemed like they loved the USC guy last year. Then I saw he was a smaller guy so maybe he didnt fit their “measurables”. Sure looks like they love the Jones kid so thats my guess based on no crazy trades and staying at 20. Id love it though, I want a WR for pure entertainment reasons.
i have NO clue if they take a WR or not. i have No CLUE if they would take Nelson over Jones or players at some other positions..
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but if the eagles spend a 1st round pick on a WR, Id bet its Nelson, and Im not sure I would be happy with that, but whatever
So just to get this straight –
After continuously lying about having sources, getting called out for it, and lying some more….you’re just going to continue to lie about it?
I like your strategy of going with the most obvious pick though, its clever.
Now when / if Chip picks Agholor, who I literally just pegged as “the guy” a couple posts up, as he is the ideal “Chip pick,” you can loudly pat yourself on the back for being the “insider” you so badly desire to be?
Can’t believe you haven’t been banned yet. Jesus christ.
Re: Div-II / Div-III Sleepers
T-Law & Belichick:
How ’bout a list of small-school sleepers (save Marpet), with a short analysis-synopsis, whom you like (i) generally and (ii) for the Eagles (the much shorter list).
Also, any Div-I sleepers out there?
D3:
UW Whitewater has a receiver, former Illini player, big tall white guy, poor man Riley Cooper.
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2015/1/29/7947959/scouting-the-draft-jake-kumerow-wr-wisconsin-whitewater
D2
Chris Bonner, QB, Colorado State Pueblo
I’m not a huge fan but some people think Bonner is the top senior QB and 3rd overall in the class.
NAIA
Terell Watson, RB, Asuza Pacific
We had that rugby player in camp from Asuza, who had eligibility problems at Oregon a few years back. Watson is huge, has decent vision. Question is speed.
https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/575798402505531393
Top-shelf.
Mock-draft question . . .
Is there anyone among the football-draft literati who have even a 75% track record with their 1st-Rd mock drafts over — let’s say — the past 5 years?
If not, then who gives a damn what any of these people say. They know jack.
50% would be insanely good, i mean i think guys are happy if they hit 5 picks. all it takes is for Bucs to take Mariota no.1 and you can pretty much burn every mock to the ground at that point.
Exactly.
I find the mock drafts posted right after the preceding draft’s last choice way more enjoyable.
They’re barely any less accurate than the ones a week before the draft.
Somebody -I think Kempski -did a round up of mock drafters over the past five years. The vast majority of guys didn’t get a single pick right.
I actually won an office “pool” once… a dozen of us predicted the top 15 picks of one of the drafts and we had a point system for scoring based on how many picks off we were from our projections. That was the year we got Bunkley, and Mario Williams was the first selection over Reggie Bush, who most expected to go first.
None of the entries was even close.
“draft literati”? I’m insulted. :). My percentage is just as high and I’m, (what’s that word I’m looking for?) un-educated in the draft class.
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You have the first pick, maybe the top 3(?) each year that are no brainers and shouldn’t even count in the percentage.
Top 3 – out.
YES. Great point.
That’s why I actually enjoy guys like Gil Brandt and Mayock. Give me your top 100 and a brief bit on the player. Then I can narrow down my own limited “research” based on that info.
These guys are fooling themselves to think they may have an idea what any specific team might do, especially given their lack of study on the teams.
I think I’d like to see someone do a mock where they pick 5 potential picks for each team for the first 3 rounds. In that case, I think you can make some really interesting projections.
Really like Mayock, too.
Can’t get on the Gil Brandt-wagon. Purely personal.
Too many years rooting for the Eagles when they lived in the NFL desert of the ’60s and ’70s, with the Cowboys using their 3rd-stringers in the second half of blow outs at Franklin Field and the Vet.
Personally hate Brandt (deep down inside) but I respect his opinion on draft prospects.
Actually, I do enjoy his war stories.
Why couldn’t the Eagles have blown a 10th Rd pick on Roger Staubach in ’64? WHY!?!?!?
Seriously.
Brandt’s a great historian and has good sources, but the game has passed him by to a large extent.
These guys have stringers who do most of the work.
I don’t really follow college football, so to me all of these “mocks” are just a means of reading about and watching cut ups of players.
Some people take these things way too seriously. No reason to get upset that some buffoon on ESPN slots a box safety at #20, ya know.
For a team like the Eagles though… It’s almost criminal that Kiper doesn’t log onto a site like IgglesBlitz just to get a feel for the team. I mean 15-30 minutes of reading and he would know that L. Collins isn’t in play. But what do I know about making hundreds of thousands of dollars flingin’ poo at a wall?
The standard is usually predicting which players that will go in the 1st round not who will go to what team. A couple of years ago, I got 26/32 1st round picks correct and 5 out of the other 6 1st round picks I had going within the top 10 of the 2nd round. Last year, I sucked.
GR:
I understand what folks who aren’t on TV or writing for a major website may be doing.
But the whole “So-and-so to the Eagles at No. 20” . . . utterly worthless.
This is about right:
https://twitter.com/theguyotc/status/592410317176631296
Best response since someone wrote in a comment “Occam’s Razor”
I just upvoted myself, and I’m not even ashamed.
http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scoring/mockdrafts.shtml
Peter King actually seems to be pretty accurate on the Eagles. When you consider that even the team’s GM probably has 5 targets they covet at their pick (as Tommy said), this is pretty impressive.
2009:
King had Eagles taking Lesean Mccoy in 1st.
Reality: Eagles took Jeremy Maclin in the first, and Mccoy in the 2nd.
2010:
King had the Eagles taking DE Derrick Morgan
Reality: Eagles took DE Brandon Graham.
2011:
King said the Eagles will pick Danny Watkins.
Reality: My memory is cloudy, but it involved a fire truck and a draft bust.
2012:
A miss. King had Fletcher Cox go to CAR at 9, and Quinten Coples to the Eagles at 15.
Reality: Eagles moved up to get Cox after he fell to 12.
2013:
Can’t find King’s mock. Doesn’t matter much anyway since Eagles were picking so early.
2014:
King has Eagles picking Odell Beckham Jr.
Reality: Marcus Smith, of course. But, Chip later said, “I said it a year ago: I thought Odell Beckham was the best player in the draft. I was right. We didn’t have a chance to get Odell Beckham, but a lot of it depends on where you’re selecting”
2015:
King has Eagles taking Jaelen Strong, WR.
Reality: Eagles trade Tim Tebow and Sam Bradford for Titan’s pick and Brown’s two picks, taking Mariota, Strong, Byron Jones, and Jake Fisher. Or something like that.
No one seems to be talking up UCLA’s Owamagbe Odighizuwa.
Came to NovaCare — maybe as much for an injury look-see [hip] as chalk-board talk.
Cross him off the list? Sleeper in Rd 1 on a trade down? Or Rd 2?
I love him – i like pass rushers who actually have a power game and can take on blockers with more than speed moves. I think those guys transition to the NFL better than pure speed guys.
Only issue is if the eagles think he can play OLB – i mean he can do a role like Cole/Graham but if they prefer more mirrored set of OLB’s he may not be a long term fit.
I would love him to be picked at 20 so we can watch WIP and 975 melt down lol!
“I would love him to be picked at 20 so we can watch WIP and 975 melt down lol!”
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Second that!!!
Rotoworld’s Josh Norris has him at #17 overall in his rankings. Virtually no one else has him going in the first round.
LOVE HIM… but I hope we dont DRAFT HIM. I know everyone assumes he will be a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 OLB, but I view him as the type of edge rusher who like Vinny Curry can surprisingly be moved inside,..
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I love this kid, but I dont want us to draft him because I fear that if we hear his name called its the first shoe to drop that will spell the eventual end of the Vinny Curry era, and I cant be happy about anything that means losing Curry
If we miss out on Mariota, he could be the consolation prize for the alliterative name category.
Can’t turn edge.
He reminds me of John Randle. Built like brick shithouse, much larger OL can’t move him, explosive and violent.
Ideal situation for him would be to go to a 43 under team. Start off as a 5 tech and eventually become a 3 tech.
Excellent stuff, coach.
Thanks
I like the week of the draft because some of the BS gets eliminated and you start to hear more truths then in past weeks..
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from everything the most respected National talking heads are saying now, sounds like the Marriota trade is pretty unlikely.
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THE ONLY way, IMO they can pull off a Marriota trade is to get the Browns to give up the 12th pick instead of the 19th pick that they kept offering for Bradford. I would NORMALLY say, NO CHANCE IN HELL THIS HAPPENS after Bradfords agent basically told the Browns they better not trade for his client because he wants no part of Cleveland… If this was ANYONE other then the Dysfunctional Browns, I would say stick a fork in it, Marriota dream is over..
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But Looking at the history of the Browns can ANYONE really say the Browns arent dysfunctional enough to give up the 12th pick for a QB on a 1yr deal who will take the first train out of Cleveland that he can?
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Takes some MIGHTY STUPIDITY to give up the 12th pick in a draft for what very well looks like a 1yr rental.. anyone but the browns I would say, when PIGS FLY.. But since they actually thought they could “wreck the league with Johnny clipboard” I guess I cant rule out the Browns doing something even more stupid.
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But without the 12th pick from The Browns, this is over….
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You arent going to get a team to give up drafting #2 so they could trade ALL THE WAY back to #20… Thats crazy talk, Fughedabout it… Eagles would need to get a top 12 pick to get the Vikings to trade back, and I will say slim chance to none of that happening…. and I see NO CHANCE of it happening if the Titans have to move all the way back to #20
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the notion that we can just trade Mykal, Bradford and Cox to the Ttans is RETARDED to put it mildly… Its laughable to think a team will give up such a valuable pick for 3 players they will have to commit 100mil dollars total to keep all 3 players past this year(and the year after for Cox)
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why the fuck would the titans want to give Cox 40mil next year when they can Pay Leonard Williams on a rookie contract for the next 5 years?
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if by some miracle this deal gets done, I will be SHOCKED if it happens without us trading the Titans the #12 pick from the Browns… you wont get the Titans to trade back further then 12, not in this draft
Watch out for those TAMPA BAY BUCS… dont think Lovie wants to hitch
his wagon to one of these QBs, they might love a whole bunch of young
defensive talents as well as a few extra #1s in this and the coming
years..
Personally I think Eagles fans should be more worried about the Bucs going with Marriota.. They havent had a QB in who knows how long and I still find it hard to believe that the Bucs would “hitch their wagon” to a sociopath who is a pretty over rated QB..
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i wouldnt be surprised if the Bucs draft Marriota, and take their phone off the hook and end the drama
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they dont want to give Glennon shot, what will they do about a QB if they dont take one with the top pick?
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I also think its rather fanboyish to talk about getting serious value in return for high quality young players who are on expiring contracts and a team will have to pay serious money to, in order to keep past next season/…. Mykal Kendricks is an awesome player who I pray we keep, but would another team really give up serious value for a kid they will lose at the end of the year if they dont sign to a 30-40million dollar deal?
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Draft picks are like gold today because of the rookie wage scale, now allowing you to control these players for 4-5 years on favorable price tags..
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people throw out trade scenarios including trading Cox and Kendricks… do people really think teams are dying to trade for players they have to commit at least 70million combined to retain in the next two years? why would you do that, when you can have Leonard Williams on a rookie contract for 5 years? why would you want to trade for Mykal Kendricks who will command abuot 40mil at the end of the year, when you can have Erik Kendricks much cheaper for the next 4-5 years?
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For us, these players have value, we know them, we have chemistry built up with them, they are key components of our young defense…
But I dont see why a team with the #2 pick, which means they can get a player like Cox or Kendricks if they want, will want to take players they could lose in the near future unless they invest serious money into retaining them?
never know.. dumber shit has happened haha.. all good points. im sure nothing will play out as anyone thinks. per usual..
who the hell knows what will happen. Like Peter King said, “this is the 1st day of the most lie-filled week of the season”
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More then Marriota situation, Im really curious to see what happens with over rated Jameis Winston..
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The NFL every year drops kids like the honeybadger and warren sapp down draft boards over something so small as pot. Kids always fall rounds because of Character issues. We are talking about the Best Cornerback Marcus Peters falling out of round 1… a potential Monster like DGB could really fall
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yet, after the Ray Rice super drama, and Floyd Mayweather is getting hammered this week by every womans activist group leading up to sundays draft, a potential Sociopath with Rape accusations is going to become the Face of the Bucs and the Face of the 2015 draft?
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and its allegedly a LOCK? not to mention, he is over rated and every scout admits he isnt on Andrew Luck or Sam Bradfords level as a prospect and leading up to the draft its been so quiet about this kid and its believed that he is practically a lock to go #1…
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Either the Buccaneers owners has some SERIOUS BALLS, Quevos MAS GRANDE, who doesnt give a shit about what anyone thinks or says about his franchise in this super sensative climate we live in, or the ENTIRE DRAFT is going to get THROWN on its head when Jameis Winston isnt the #1 pick… if thats the case, which owner has the balls to accept what can be a PR image nightmare?
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Saturday, Las Vegas Nevada is allowing a repeated woman beater, CONVICTED woman abuser with 5 KNOWN VICTIMS to fight in the biggest fight of at least the past decade… I would ASSUME THAT the closer it gets to Saturdays fight, the more noise the woman activist groups will make to draw attention to the serious Issue. FRIDAY morning is like the worst day possible, to announce that your franchise is making Jameis Winston a millionaire and its franchise QB… Friday is the weigh ins for the Mayweather fight, there are going to be protest.. I would NOT want to be the owner that has to introduce this kid as the face of the franchise this friday afternoon
Teams like the Bucs, Titans, Jags, and Raiders have lots of cap space — especially Jags (’bout $11M more than next closest team).
With the expected cap increase next season, and the “spending floor” requirement for teams, why not acquire a couple of Pro Bowl quality players.
Plenty of money with which to pay them. And far harder to find sure things like FC and MK in the draft.
Not that teams do this . . . just it’s doable.
Yeah, I’ve been thinking about this scenario with the Raiders especially, considering the difficulty they’ve seemed to have getting FAs to take their money over the past couple offseasons. Whether in a trade up for Mariota or other picks, Cox, Kendricks & Boykin make sense as players they might target in a trade and then immediately look to lock up.
to keep a player like Kendricks in a crap franchise, I would assume there will be no home team discount, and it would require a clear cut outbidding every offer to stop them from taking the first train out of town at the end of the season… so If the Oakland Raiders are going to have to completely outbid EVERYONE to keep him there past a year, why would they give us the 5th pick, when they can just try to outbid everyone at the end of next season? or Trade up 10 spots from round 2 to get his brother?
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I know the elliot shorr parks dont give a crap about this sort of thing when they make up these scenarios, but if im going to give away a top pick, and instead of getting back a bunch of first rounders, I have to take back a kid that I will have to give 40mil to or possibly lose him after one season, I dont know about Mark Eckel or Elliot Shorr Parks, but me Personall, before I accept THAT trade, I want to talk to Mykal Kendricks agent, and I want an extension worked out before the trade is completed… but THATS just me..
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without a prenegotiated extension, I personally think people are over rating the value of our stud young players on expiring contracts… I wouldnt give you a damn thing but a player on an expiring contract in return for Kendricks or Curry, without them, agreeing to an extension.. without that extension, IMO, I think people are overvaluing getting players in return for a top pick,.,.. why would I want your young players, if for every Kendricks I agree to take back in a trade, thats one less 1st round pick that you would have to include in the trade… why would I want 2 first rounders and kendricks, instead of 3 first rounders?
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i dont understand why people think expiring contracts of expensive young players have so much value when talking about trading for draft picks which are now GOLD since the rookie wage scale?
apparently Jaylen watkins was told to bulk up this offseason, so he changed his diet, and training and is “rocked up” at 200lbs
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/04/27/watkins-prepping-for-shot-at-safety/#more-2945203
would love it if him, wolff or couplin can step up and fill that need effectively and give us one less position to draft
I wouldnt rule out Watkins or Wolff surprising us… The Problem is we dont get to find out before the draft..
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I am comfortable with our starting secondary for next year, so if I had my way, I would ONLY draft DBs this year like Rowe or Byron Jones who have positional versatility and have a shot to make it at Cornerback or Safety… I wouldnt start either as a rookie so I would be pleased to see us add versatile DBs and figure out whats their best position in our defense later… I would hate to add a pure CB or a Pure Safety.. Add the Malcolm Jenkins types, who won a Superbowl as a CB and is now our top safety..
Re: Eagles 1st Rd Picks by Position
Since 1960, when the AFL began operations, here are the Eagles’ 1st Rd picks by position (no 1st in 11 drafts due to trades).
Sadly, not an especially long list of luminaries.
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Quarterbacks (2)
– 1999: D-McNabb, Syracuse (read on . . . and you’ll be very impressed)
– 1972: John Reaves, UFlorida
Running Backs (6)
– 1986: Keith Byars, Ohio State
– 1983: Michael Haddix, Miss State [fullback; career NFL leader – lowest YPC]
– 1969: Leroy Keyes, Purdue [Avg 3.0 YPC, moved to S in ’71, gone after ’72]
– 1967: Harry Jones, ARK . . . no NFL player can be named Harry Jones!!!
– 1961: Art Baker, Syracuse [fullback] . . . signed with Buffalo of the new AFL
– 1960: Ron Burton, Northwestern
Wide Receivers (4)
– 2009: Jeremy Maclin, Mizzou
– 2001: Freddie Mitchell, UCLA (not as bad as Harry Jones . . . but close)
– 1984: Kenny Jackson, PennSt (over-drafted; USFL signed best college guys)
– 1982: Mike Quick, NCSt — HOF-bound til knees gave out
Tight Ends (3)
– 1988: Keith Jackson, Oklahoma (3x All Pro / 3x PB – left in free agency)
– 1973: Charles Young, USC (2x All Pro / 3x PB – sent to Rams for Jaws in ’77)
– 1970: Steve Zabel, Oklahoma (moved to OLB after 1 season)
Offensive Tackles (9)
– 2013: LJohnson, Oklahoma
– 1997: Tra Thomas, FSU
– 1996: Jermaine Mayberry, TexA&M-Kingsville
– 1994: Bernard Williams, UGA (never stopped passing the houkah)
– 1991: Antone Davis, UTenn (cost TWO 1sts)
– 1985: Kevin Allen, UIndiana (Birds passed on All Pro OT Jim Lachey, OSU)
– 1973: Jerry Sisemore, UTx (solid; passed Birds on HOF OG John Hannah)
** 1964: Bob “Boomer” Brown, Nebraska — HOFer (traded to Rams) **
– 1963: Ed Budde, Mich State (4th overall, signed with KC of AFL; 6x All Pro)
Guards (3)
– 2011: Danny Watkins, Baylor (better than RB Harry Jones)
– 2004: Shawn Andrews, ARK (what could have been . . . .)
– 1993: Lester Holmes, Jackson St (bonus 1st Rd pick for losing RWhite)
Centers (0)
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Defensive Ends (9)
– 2010: Brandon Graham, UMichigan
– 2003: Jerome McDougle, Miami
– 1997: Jon Harris, UVA
– 1995: Mike Mamula, Boston College
** 1984: Reggie White (Supplemental 1st – USFL dispersal draft) **
– 1981: Leonard Mitchell, Houston (moved to OT after 1 season)
– 1971: Richard Harris, Grambling (5th overall; gone after 4 seasons)
– 1968: Tim Rossevich, USC (native-born CALI guy in late ’60s – ‘nough said)
– 1966: Randy Beisler, Indiana (cut after 3 years; became starting OG for SF)
Defensive Tackles (5)
– 2012: Fletcher Cox, Miss State (hurray!)
– 2006: Brod Bunkley, FSU
– 2005: Mike Patterson, USC
– 2000: Corey Simon, FSU
– 1993: Leonard Renfro, Colorado
– 1987: Jerome Brown, Miami (where do I begin to tell the story of how great…)
Outside LBs (2)
– 2014: Marcus Smith, Louisville
– 1979: Jerry Robinson, UCLA (3x All Pro, 1x PB)
Cornerbacks (3)
– 2002: Lito Sheppard, UFlorida
– 1990: Ben Smith, UGA (another cursed Buddy Ryan 1st Rd pick)
– 1980: Roynell Young, Alcorn A&M
In 1980 one of our Philly newspapers (we had four at the time) had a mock draft where the headline was “Welcome to Philadelphia, Roynell Young” – and I’ve always wondered if it was just a good guess or whether the author had some inside information.
Only 2 QBs in first round is surprising.
and zero SBs… coincidence.. eeee
Cleveland has taken 4 since 1999
Yeah, that’s what I always think about when people start whining about “not being the Texans!” It’s really just not that simple, and in all honesty, I’d rather be the Texans than the Browns.
Hmm. That’s a good question.
Vermeil, though, wasn’t particularly cagey back then regarding the draft.
(Remember the story he tells of remarking, in 1982, to his former boss, Buffalo HC Chuck Knox, that he — Vermeil — really liked UTn WR Perry Tuttle. On draft day, Buffalo traded up one spot ahead of the Eagles to select Tuttle. The Eagles “settled” for Mike Quick. Some rare, good fortune back then.)
That means its MORE LIKELY to trade him right?
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lol whether they picked up the option or not, either would automatically mean we are trading Cox this week,…
I heard Chip Kelly took a shit this morning and his Turd looked like the letter M…. YOu know what that means right? WE ARE GETTING MARRIOTA BABY!!!!
I thought it meant IBS
but could stand for Mortgage
http://www.hugebrainmarketing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/mickey_laughing__61265.jpg
It doesn’t really matter. The option is guaranteed for injury only and wasn’t absolutely due for after the draft. We pick up his option, we can still trade him. If we didn’t pick up his option, then we trade him, and his new team picks up the option.
it was a joke
yes this is terrific news. It bodes well for the draft, finally ends those stupid rumors about trading up. Seriously, how easy was it for journalists to call for a philly trade up for mariota. Pre draft rumor get you a lot of clicks and exposure, if it happens you look like a genius, if it doesn’t, just say price was too high in the end, no big deal. Smh. Of course chip loves mariota but I’m pretty sure he loved obj last year, problem is, he’s a nfl coach and with great nfl power comes great dilemas.
If you’d like to move up from 20
Round 1 Pick 6 (NYJ): Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon (A+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (A-)
Round 3 Pick 22 (ARI): Clive Walford, TE, Miami (Fla.) (A)
Round 4 Pick 14: Ty Sambrailo, OT, Colorado State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 24 (ARI): Mitch Morse, OT/OG, Missouri (B+)
Round 5 Pick 9: Kenny Bell, WR, Nebraska (B)
Round 5 Pick 20: Cameron Artis-Payne, RB, Auburn (A+)
Round 6 Pick 20: Jake Ryan, OLB/ILB, Michigan (B+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Bryce Callahan, CB, Rice (B-)
If you’d like to stay put at 20
Round 1 Pick 20: Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (B)
Round 2 Pick 20: Quinten Rollins, CB/FS, Miami (Ohio) (A-)
Round 3 Pick 20: Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor (A)
Round 4 Pick 14: Ty Sambrailo, OT, Colorado State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 9: Clayton Geathers, SS, UCF (A)
Round 5 Pick 20: Kenny Bell, WR, Nebraska (A-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Nick Boyle, TE, Delaware (B-)
Round 7 Pick 20: Jarvis Harrison, OG, Texas A&M (C)
This is just a cruel thing to post right on Monday the week of D DAY:
“The Eagles have been one of the three worst teams at drafting in the first round since 2000 according to SI.com, along with the Jaguars and Raiders.
It’s remarkable the Eagles have steadily contended since 2000 (Philly’s 144 wins are the fifth-most during that span) because they haven’t drafted a future Pro Bowler in the first round since 2004. (Jeremy Maclin’s lone Pro Bowl appearance doesn’t count, since he was originally selected as an alternate last season before replacing Demaryius Thomas.) Admittedly, the Eagles got a lot of mileage from taking Donovan McNabb No. 2 in 1999, one year outside of the span of this exercise.
Since then, the only high picks who have panned out were Corey Simon, Lito Sheppard and Shawn Andrews, who combined for five Pro Bowl campaigns. At least Fletcher Cox and Lane Johnson still have time to improve Philly’s standing here.
Worst pick:
The Eagles have made some pretty poor draft decisions on Day 1 over the years, but perhaps none top trading up 15 spots in the first round to select 25-year-old defensive end Jerome McDougle in 2003. For the price of the No. 30 and No. 62 picks, Philadelphia gained just 29 tackles, three sacks and zero starts from McDougle between 2003-06.”
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/04/27/eagles-wake-up-call-searching-for-safeties/#IsYwg3cqgSSApdWJ.99
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Talk about a Sober reminder about the possibilities… we all get so excited for this draft, but at times it has been like getting excited to get ready to walk the plank…These past 3 drafts have started to look good in the 1st 3 rounds..Howie is gone, right as he started to get the hang of the draft. HOPEFULLY we can at the very least maintain the LEVEL of drafting we have had this past 3 years in our first year without Howie… and if we are lucky, getting howie out of the way so chip can be the Grand Puba proves to be a brilliant move after this draft, of course no matter what we think of the job chip does in this draft, love it or hate it, it will be a while before we really know how well the first howie/marynowitz draft went
“Howie is gone, right as he started to get the hang of the draft.” ehhhhhhhh
not last year in a vacuum, but he has done a pretty darn good job hitting on talent in the first 3 rounds of the last 3 drafts:
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Rd 1:
Cox
Lane
MS2
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RD2
Vinny
Kendricks
Ertz
Pope Jordan
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Rd 3:
Nick Foles/Sam Bradford
Bennie Logan
Josh Huff
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If MS2 and Huff turn it up this year, we are talking about an awesome 3 year stretch drafting in the top 100. and for me I think the REAL KEY is to put together a 4-5yr stretch of Quality drafts.. Thats how you really win a Superbowl
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Hard to get anywhere hitting on a draft one year, busting the next year, then having a good draft, followed by another bad draft..
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For us to really grow into an elite franchise we have to put together another 2 years of Drafts like 2012 and 2013.. Jurry still out on last year…
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A BIG Draft this year would really be HUGE for us, coming off the last 3 drafts… If we hit on THIS draft.. we are basically, 1 more QUality draft away from being an ELITE CONTENDER
you can see the importance of a franchise Qb. McNabb covered up for a lot of bad drafting.
absolutely.. also getting some serious studs like Dawk, Trott outside of round 1..
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To add to the list of good first round picks, Trading a first rounder for Jason Peters who wasnt a sure shot hall of famer at the time turned out to be a homerun use of a 1st round pick…
we did a great job of getting stars in the mid-late rounds.
A better measurement would be career starts. Who cares about the Pro Bowl, it’s a fan vote and meaningless.
Completele agree, and it also disregards the fact that we usually picked outside the top 15.
I went back and looked:
Lito Sheppard was a really good pick, for a long time he was a key part of us having a terrific defense and a really solid CB pairing.
Everyone knows F. Mitchell and McDougal weren’t good picks, and nobody is gonna pretend those were good draft years. We got Mikell as a UDFA, thats about it.
We know how Shawn Andrews turned out, but he was also DOMINANT for a couple of years and honestly, what should we have done differently. What was the lesson in Shawn eventually failing.
Patterson and Bunkley might not have been flashy, but they were pretty darn good. Those guy did an amazing job 2 gapping in a 43 defense that finished really high against the run and overall.
We might not have picked in 07-08, but it did get us Jason Peters and everything we got from Kevin Kolb.
In later years we have hit on Maclin, Fletcher Cox and Lane Johnson, missed wide on Watkins, and gotten a decent return from Graham who now has 4 years to prove his pick, while MSII is unproven, albeit looking less than ideal.
From 15 years of drafting thats and All-Pro LT, a very promising Lane and Cox, around 5 players who earned their pick and was part of the succes of this team(Lito, Bunk, Pat, Mac, Graham).
We certainly have not been perfect at drafting, we haven’t even been amazing, but comparing us to the fucking Raiders and Jaguars, please. We might not have won the right games, but we sure as shit did win a lot with our “bad draft picks”.
back then I wanted Wilfork over Andrews
The Raiders should have picked Maclin over Heyward-Bey just like everyone told them to do.
Again, we didn’t no amazing but comparing us to the Raiders, get the fuck out. Thats total BS.
Couldn’t agree more. Something posted something similar a couple weeks and I had almost the exact same response. If you don’t think we got good value in the majority of those picks, given where we were picking, than that’s crazy.
yeah who cares if we wont the fifth most games, that’s what matters.
FWIW, Mort is reporting on ESPN that the Eagles are “very committed” to Bradford and working on an extension.
It’s a game. That will likely be the ultimate result but this leaking is part of the leverage game. Titans or other teams ask too much “We’re committed to Bradford.”
Agreed. But in my opinion, I think the best leverage comes from not leaking anything. Be completely inscrutable. Let everyone guess what they think you are thinking. I think the game of leaks ends up showing more than it hides.
yeah, Im Pro Bradford, against selling the farm for Marriota, but leaking THIS at THIS MOMENT, I have to admit I read that “tea Leave” as PRO Marriota trade, not as a sign of the marriota nonsense being put to bed
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IF indeed we are working on a Bradford trade, rather then leak this TODAY, we would rather HIDE IT til after the draft so everyone thinks we are trying to get Marriota and have a better shot at going after our true target without anyone knowing..
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So as someone who DOES NOT want to pay what it will cost for Marriota, I do NOT ENJOY hearing this noise, even Tho I would be THRILL:ED for it to end up being True!!!
What about the possibility of letting the draft unfold w/out getting MM and then trading some sort of mega deal TO get him…
i find that hard to believe, because you would be making it harder for yourself because now you dont have a first round pick this year to offer. you cant assume they will just want the player you took at #20…
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It also really depends on the team that drafts Marriota.. are they willing to take the kid and be honest that they are just trying to trade him? I have a hard time believing a franchise would draft Marriota, introduce him as the franchise QB to the media the next day, lead Marcus and his agent on, and 4 days later trade him out of the blue?
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Minus the 4 day thing, I guess that is what we would be doing to Sam as well, assuming he was part of the trade.
its doable.. but I would guess that you had to be open about it..
Things like that happen in the NBA, rarely in the NFL.
The problem that has always been there with any theoretical flipping of Bradford is for any team to give up the type of compensation that would help us land Mariota(or part of a direct trade for Mariota) they would have to reach a contract extension with that new team. Bradford has the leverage. I don’t think Kelly and/or Marynowitz are dumb enough to not understand that and therefore they had to have made the Bradford trade anticipating that acquiring Mariota was close to impossible and decided that Bradford is the next best option. It doesn’t mean that they won’t continue to explore the possibility, but they know it isn’t happening.
definitely the next best option, maybe even a better option when all is said and done
yup… but it would still help us more to keep this info to ourselves til friday morning if we dont expect to get MM..
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so unfortunately someone like me who doesnt want MM, cant take this as good news that means the MM nonsense is over
To me, public perception doesn’t matter. However I can see someone in the Eagles organization thinking that if you sign him to an extension prior to the draft then you’re showing that you’re committed to Bradford and weren’t spurned in attempts to get Mariota. You do it after the draft and the storyline is going to be that was your last resort because you couldn’t land Mariota.
while thats plausible for sure, personally I would be surprised if Chip gave a crap enough about what we think to give up the competitive advantage of throwing everyone off the scent of our true realistic target… but we will know thursday night
I’m not sure how much I buy it, but Marynowitz said they think smokescreens are a waste of time.
sounds like a smokescreen if I ever heard one
I would imagine at this point the market has been set for No.2 pick and if the eagles cannot make the price – and it would be very hard – i would imagine they settle down to talk contract extension.
Also by starting it pre draft they say to Bradford look all this trade talk was crap and media driven we were committed all along. If we are wanting to move forward with him as our QB there is a degree of wooing required because he has no long term ties to the team unlike nearly any other QB looking to sign a big long term deal.
as someone who wants us to sign bradford to an extension, I do NOT take this as good news.. For me, this says they are still trying to get Marriota… because if this was true and they werent trying to get Marriota still, they would keep this news under wraps til after Thursday so that everyone else keeps assuming and talking about us trading for MM, and no one will be on the scent of the WR or whatever player we REALLY WANT..
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To me this says they are still trying to get the trade done… Hopefully in the end the price will be too much and we go thru with Bradford!
The only thing that talking shop with Bradford would do is possibly reduce the price some other team pays for Mariota. Its not like he is not getting picked No.2.
if everyone KNOWS we bow out of the MM sweepstakes at this point, every other GM now has 3 days to really try and figure out who we are after… and when you KNOW who a team wants, you have the ability to do some slick shit like the Bucs trading ahead of us in round two when we were about to have Lavonte David land in our Lap, or for Example, Knowing who we wanted told the Saints Exactly how high they needed to trade up to make suire they got Brandin Cooks instead of us…
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If its true that we are waiving the white flag on MM and signing Bradfford to an extension, you wait til friday to let it be known. Give you a better shot at getting the real player you are hoping for without some team trading 1 spot ahead of us to steal him…If everyone keeps assuming we are desperate for chips golden boy, better chance of keeping our true WANTS hidden
you think we really wanted dion jordan?
probably.. he seems pretty obsessed with his Ducks..
we will find out if he is ok with passing on guys like Fisher and Grasu for other OL this year
I think you’re potentially right about this, but I would much rather MM than Bradford, so we’re on different sides in terms rooting interest 🙂
Trade down from 20?
Round 2 Pick 1 (TENN): Jake Fisher, OT/OG, Oregon (B+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Nelson Agholor, WR, Southern California (A)
Round 2 Pick 28 (DAL): Stephone Anthony, ILB, Clemson (A-)
Round 3 Pick 2 (TENN): Tevin Coleman, RB, Indiana (A)
Round 3 Pick 20: Steven Nelson, CB, Oregon State (B-)
Round 4 Pick 14: Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 28 (DAL): Josue Matias, OG, Florida State (B)
Round 5 Pick 9: Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon State (B+)
Round 5 Pick 20: Kenny Bell, WR, Nebraska (A-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Zach Wagenmann, DE/OLB, Montana (B-)
Round 7 Pick 20: Kaleb Eulls, DT/DE, Mississippi State (A-)
YES or NO for scenarios if we arent getting marriota:
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1) would you trade away the 20th pick in THIS draft to The Buffalo Bills for a 3rd round pick in THIS draft and their 2016 1st round pick?
The Bills dont have a first round pick this year to start the Rex Ryan era, maybe they love a QB like Hundley who probably wont last to them in round 2. Bills will be a much improved team next year, but so is everyone in their division. The Jets, The Dolphins both are turning into some tough teams, GREAT Chance with their QB or even a rookie QB they get with our 20th pick that their pick next year that they would owe us, would be top 15 giving us two 1st rounders next year
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2) Ron Burke threw out a trade up scenario where we give the Vikings our 1st and 2nd round pick for Devante Parker… Is there ANY PLAYER outside of the top 7 that you would want to spend both your 1st and 2nd round pick on?
I wouldn’t be surprised if we did a draft trade for a player. I’m surprised it doesn’t happen more often. Let others play the lottery while you take known commodities.
You should be able to get their 2nd and a 2016 1st.
considering the Bills dont have a 1st rounder right now because they had to have Sammy Watkins and WERENT willing to “settle” for ODB or Mike Evans,. HECK YEAH there is a good chance we can get that 2nd rounder off them. clearly negotiating isnt the bills strength…. I just used a 3rd as a worst case scenario
Agreed. And I would do that.
My favorite long-term draft strategy is to trade your first for a second and next year first, then repeat each year with the extra first. For the cost of moving down a round one time you get an extra second round pick in perpetuity.
First one no you are bascially puahing your first round pick a year baxk to gwr a mid 3rd round pick , I love Parker and while I would like to at least get a day 3 pick back I’d probably do it. And who is your top 7?
id probably say the opposite… Yes to the 1st, no to the 2nd.
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For starters, giving away the 20th pick for a 2nd or 3rd in this draft and a 1st rounder next year, is NO BIG DEAL at All.. figure at #20 we are probably getting a player with a second round grade anyway.. I love the players in round 2 and 3 this year. dolubt there is much difference between the player we get with the bills pick at the beginning of round 2 or 3 and the player we get at 20 this year….as for the extra 1st rounder, you arent pushing your first rounder back a year, you are gambling on a team that can finish last in its division even if its much improved, and if you get lucky we end up getting a pick in the 7-12 range of next years draft, which comes in handy if we are going to pick in the 20-25 range every year… I would do the first 1 in a heartbeat I think, especially if we get the bills 2nd round pick this year, but Id probably still do it for their 3rd
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I dont think i would be willing to spend our 1st two picks on 1 player… Id rather try and trade back from both picks and end up picking 4 players with two picks, instead of 1
I might do it for their 2nd but I’m not moving down 60 spots. Also who is in your top 7 because I have Parker in mine which changes everything
If the Titans are too unreasonable to get a deal done with anyone, everyone calls their bluff and they end up passing on the golden duck, Marriota lovers could get Lucky and find the Jags more reasonable then the Titans…. why would the Jags be more reasonable? they are alleged to be very interested in Gurley, and it makes sense that they would want a franchise back.. The problem is picking #3 is too high for either of the round 1 RBs..
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However, depending on how far these two RBs fall, the Jaguars can be one of the few teams picking in the top 5 that actually wouldnt mind trading down to #20 in this draft.. They could end up moving to #20, being compensated a few reasonable draft picks, and still end up getting a franchise back which is what they may want all along….
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The Hard part for Marriota lovers is the players at #20 suck compared to the ones in the top 5… trading THAT far just isnt enticing for most teams… but the Jags are the one team that may LOVE the player available at 20, thus be a reasonable trade partner that is happy to get a few extra picks and a trade partner that lets them not have to look like idiots for reaching for a RB in the top 5
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“NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport mentions the Jaguars, Texans, and Dolphins as potential landing spots for Georgia RB Todd Gurley.
Note that all of the teams named by RapSheet select in the top half of the first round. On the board at No. 3 overall, the Jags would presumably target Gurley in a trade down. Coming off November ACL surgery, Gurley could be “eased in” behind Arian Foster and Lamar Miller in Houston and Miami, respectively”-roto
What SUCKS is that no matter what happens, this will all probably be drawn out to the last minute and no one will know at all until the titans are on the clock and we hear the alarm go ding ding ding that significates we have trade…
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If people here WE HAVE A TRADE with the 2nd pick in the draft, for those 3 seconds, Philly will collectively have its heart in its throat lol waiting to see exactly WHICH TEAM traded for the pick..if eagles fans see the trade alarm, and then see the Name Chargers or Browns, it will be the equivalent of the moment everyone realized the eagles lost the superbowl/… i feel bad for what chip kelly and the player we draft have to endure from fans and media if we dont get Marriota… ill feel so bad for the kid we draft. the first question he will be asked by the local media is, “are you aware that for months the fanbase was consumed with getting MM?”…
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Something we also havent even considered… For all we know, a deal with the Titans may already be in place.. but because NO ONE really knows what the Bucs will do, and the guy they are expected to take is an alleged Rapist with sociopathic tendencies, for all anyone knows, Eagles, Chargers, or Browns could already have a trade in place with the titans, that has to be kept under wraps until the Bucs make their pick…. of course even if the deal was in place I assume other teams would still have time to make a better offer, but for all we know, scenarios could already be in place and everyone is just waiting to see what the Bucs do to know if we can activate the agreed upon deal
Yeah I’m still not entirely sure the Bucs just don’t tale Mariota at 1 which thwart any potential Eagles or even Browns trades
B. Jones, Agholor, Rowe, FIsher, Erving.
Do people here actually think Rowe is an option at 20? (Genuine question)
Yeah. He had a great workout, and lots of teams are projecting him as a corner, more than a safety. That versatility increases his value.
Yeah, it seems that way. If he does, it would be a pretty noteworthy rise from the 4th round predictions that were common a few weeks ago.
I’m not feeling it
Me either. He jumped out at me on tape a few months ago but he isn’t worth 20. I’m the second, I can see it but I feel he is more of a 3rd.
In even find taking him in the 2nd just not at 20
Check out Bill Barnwell on Grantland (Eagles trade with TB)… Yeah, I know it’s crazy stuff, but funny that the craziness persists and we’re only a couple days from the actual draft
draft byron jones or perriman, then trade up with kendricks back into the 1st and draft either byron jones or perriman. 3rd round… Chris Conely.
Get 2 athletic WRs with upside, and a CB who play S and excel.
Plus you get to watch Conely vs Jones in Training camp, thats 2 super athletic players right there!!
If you’re taking Jones at 20 I’d rather see which of Locketr, Dorsett, Smith. nelson, Strong, Coates are there at 52 and save my Kendricks
it always surprises me that people don’t try use all of their picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, quality over quantity.
you could use that 2nd and kendricks and make it into a 1st … or even maybe a 3rd and kendricks… depends on value of kendricks
I don’t get your comment honestly but I’m saying the difference between a late first wr and a second round wr is not worth Kendricks to me
I’m saying consistently trade out of the first, and trade 5-7 to maximize picks in rounds 2, 3, 4.
no!! there is no more byron jones, gottta take some prime talent. Use kenricks, boykin, mathis and whoever else to get more or move up for prime talent
Oh I agree you confused me when you said quality over quantity in round 2
Of those WRs its Lockett and Strong, for me, but id rather take a chance on a guy like Perriman, and then get a byron and conely?? im loving that idea!!
DE Shane Ray cited for marijuana possession this morning. That combined with poor testing results, limited scheme fit, and potential need for foot surgery will likely IMO drop him out of Rd 1.
Ouch you think he goes second round? Not sure, Gregory is the better player and I have no clue where he’s going
Each of those question marks individually might not torpedo him but all of it combined together? Yes, I think he goes 2nd round.
Thinking off the top of my head here.
But my considered advice to all NFL draft-eligible players is . . .
AWAIT THE DRAFT IN COLORADO — where, after the Combine, you can smoke as much dope as you want without getting arrested.
The pre-draft training companies should build a facility there with that as the selling point. Get through the testing at the combine and you can light up all you want!
They could package it with their pre-combine training facility, which boasts the most sensitive fire suppression system in the world.
geez, now that’s a man with an idea right there!
brilliant!
so they are saying Bradford will be ready no later then august? sounds pretty late to me. sanchez starting the season I guess
That would be f-ing terrible.
I know, how could he start in September if he doesn’t practice until august?
trade him and his no trade clause
im kidding of course
Training camp starts August 1.
So he would effectively miss OTAs.
Was anyone expecting different?
I just thought he was further along. this makes it seem like he will barely be ready to practice. how can he start in this offense with such limited prep by September?
“No later than” that’s the conservative timetable.
Also despite #narrative, this offense isn’t complex from a mental standpoint.
right, but physically? as in stamina and being in shape is what im thinking.
sanchez will be fine in the first few weeks I guess
I mean he’s the QB. He’s not running a 40 yard fly and then sprinting back and doing it all over again. Or an OL blocking for 5 seconds. He’s taking the snap putting it in the mesh, either giving it or pulling it, moving around a little in the pocket and then throwing. Not overly taxing.
There will be some stuff like footwork and timing that may take some time to come along, but I don’t see Sanchez starting games with a healthy Bradford.
wonder if he’s rusty or going to be throwing bullets like Johnny Utah
Utah >>>>>> Falco
Thems the facts.
He may not even miss all of OTAs
As long as he’s under center and playing sharp football in the Monday night win over Atlanta, I don’t mind.
That fact — Bradford’s August readiness date — actually proves Kelly acquired Bradford as the long-term answer at QB and with every intention of signing him to a big-time extension worthy of a Top-10 NFL QB.
Why?
What GM would acquire a QB in the last year of his deal knowing he’d miss most of training camp (not to mention preceding OTAs) — and throw in a 2nd Rd pick to get him?
I mean, how dumb is that . . . unless the plan is sign long-term.
And considering that the QB in the last year of his deal hasn’t played in 25 NFL game-weeks, the GM must be ready to pay the QB top-quality money under a long-term deal, right?
I mean, how dumb would a GM have to be to trade for a 1-year rental with no performance-based data on which base an extension unless the GM’s ready to break the bank for the guy?
sweet. 2016 here we come….
I really just thought he was ready now for some reason. so do you think Sancho is the man week 1?
lmao
Not following you… how does one beget the other? I don’t think the Eags have given up SO much that they can’t wait to see how he does (and if he can stay on the field).
Just kidding around.
I figured I was missing something…
I follow you. I think you are spot on.
I wouldnt mind giving Bradford, Andy Dalton or Alex Smith money, but with some build in protection against injury (I think skill wise, he will be fine)
heard he would do some limited stuff in OTA’s… but he wouldnt be full participant til Camp…
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Its not like he will just be starting to throw in August.. I would assume thats just when he will be full go with the Team… He is probably going to be throwing on the side in OTA’s on his own…
Tommy, here is how you get Jones and Fisher –
ESP, what do you think about this? –
The NFL.com article states that the top 3 needs of:
Cleveland are: WR, ILB, DL. (Kelly has an ILB to trade.)
Tennessee are: QB, Pass-rusher, CB. (Kelly has 2 of the 3 to trade – PR and CB.)
(Tennessee may stay with QB Mettenberger.)
Step 1 –
Cleveland gets:
QB Bradford
ILB Kendricks (a need)
Eagles get:
1st Rounder #12
2nd Rounder #43
Step 2 –
Tennessee gets:
1st Rounder #12
DE Curry (pass rusher)(a need)
CB Boykin (a need)
2nd Rounder #52
2016 1st Rounder
Eagles get:
1st Rounder #2
2nd Rounder #33
Eagles keep 2015 1st Round Pick #20
Picks:
1st Round #2 – QB Mariota
1st Round #20 – CB/S Jones
2nd Round #33 – O/OG Fisher
2nd Round #43 – CB/S Rowe/Rollins
3rd Round #84 – WR Conley 6-2 213 4.35 45″V High Character
I don’t know why the Titans would send back a second in that deal not a stupid hypothetical as far as value is concerned though
The Titans drop 10 spots in the 1st Round and drop 19 spots in the 2nd Round. For that they get a 1st Rounder next year and 2 excellent experienced, proven, NFL starters in 2 positions of need. And they still get to select a top player in the 1st Round at #12.
Not enough?
Yeah not enough
Unfortunately players aren’t worth as much in trades.
They also take on guys who are about to get paid.
You’re undervaluing draft picks + rookie contracts.
Total contract dollars and guaranteed dollars are not nearly as important to owners/GMs as Cap Hit and Cap Space are. Especially for a rebuilding team. The Titans curently have 16.5 M in Cap Space (incl the 7.5 set aside for the Draft pool) per Spotrac.
Pass-rusher Curry and CB Boykin are very valuable to them. They can easily take them with arranging multiple-year contracts with handsome guaranteed dollars and with contracts structured with a reasonable Cap Hit to fit their Cap Space. And these 2 players are already proven.
The Titans do not have to use draft picks to fill these 2 big needs on their team. They can use their draft picks on their other needs.
No way that would be close to enough. I think it would be more likely if we included our first round pick and did not swap second round picks. Also Tennessee would probably want Cox instead of Curry.
That would be like a dream scenario right there.
I know we lose both Kendricks, Boykin and Curry, but it would be worth it in the long run (also why its not going to happen at all)
I want you to play for Chip and Shurm too Bradford but I need your paper knees to hold up as well.
I was watching that QBs picked #1 show and thought, wow, Carson Palmer has been injured often in his career. Zach M on titans injured both years and the list of injured QBs is long, even Foles, Vick etc. So I start thinking, maybe balsa wood bradford can get on a run of non injury. This is what happens in a fans mind to justify their own players.
How does Smith fit in the tackle playing guard for a few years then moving to tackle conversation?
From RC’s link:
But he’s selfish, is up and down in games and has weight and conditioning issues.” Three-year starter at LT. “He’s not a feisty, Wisconsin-type guy,” said a third scout. “The new staff there does not rave about him. Maybe he doesn’t have that killer instinct, but he’ll play.” From Owings Mills, Md. “I hope he goes in the second round because we wouldn’t take him until the mid-rounds,” a fourth scout said. “He’s got a little bit of a work ethic issue. He’s a little bit stiff on the edge. Might be able to move inside and be a little better player.”
5. DONOVAN SMITH, Penn State (6-5½, 333, 5.10, 1-2): “I thought he was fat and messy and played lazy,” one scout said. “He has had issues like that. He’s got talent. It’s more where you think he is as far as want-to.” Redshirted in 2011 but, after obtaining his degree, opted against returning for his senior season. “He’s a giant human being that can kind of do whatever he wants,” another scout said. “He’s got good feet and bend for a big guy. Definitely can be a left tackle. He also can play with power. He was completely dominant at the Senior Bowl. But he’s selfish, is up and down in games and has weight and conditioning issues.” Three-year starter at LT. “He’s not a feisty, Wisconsin-type guy,” said a third scout. “The new staff there does not rave about him. Maybe he doesn’t have that killer instinct, but he’ll play.” From Owings Mills, Md. “I hope he goes in the second round because we wouldn’t take him until the mid-rounds,” a fourth scout said. “He’s got a little bit of a work ethic issue. He’s a little bit stiff on the edge. Might be able to move inside and be a little better player.”
Some of the comments by scouts are hysterical, there is a lot of a slant to negative comments…DBs and LBs aren’t up. I read this every year, he puts it up week before draft and it’s entertaining.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/rating-the-nfl-draft-prospects-offensive-linemen-b99486136z1-301296461.html
Great stuff, and it answers my question.
“8. COREY ROBINSON, South Carolina (6-6 ½, 321, 5.30, 2-3): Compared by one scout to Chargers LT King Dunlap.”
That hurts.
Dunlap has played well in San Diego and just earned himself a fat contract extension.
Yeah, that is the part that hurts. We saw the potential, but weren’t able to develop it.
Dunlap also didnt fit with Howard Mudd’s blocking scheme
So eagles exercise Cox option and let it be known that negotiating with Bradford on the same day. Doest though protest too much?
The Cox option is a non story. They were always going to excise the option – does not effect the trade value at all (only drafting team can excise the 5th year option).
Bradford story could be more smoke screen – but who are you trying to persuade? only team you care about in a ‘Mariota’ trade is the Titans – and they know how serious you are at this stage. They are not going to go aww shucks you like bradford how about knocking a 1st round pick off the asking price.
Actually is in his contract so if we traded him with his contract his new team could as well
“The Cox option is a non story.”
Now you sound like my wife.
If it’s true that he doesn’t want to be stuck in CLE, there’s 0.0% chance he signs a contract prior to the draft. Unless they allow NTC in the NFL; I don’t remember any, but that doesn’t mean they’re not possible.
Hearing talk from Prisco, Kiper, and others that Dorsett is a first round pick and one guy who said he has a reliable source said don’t be surprised if the Eagles take Dorsett at 20. There is probably no way we can get him in the 2nd unless he slipped to the early 2nd and we traded up. Sorry Tommy
‘one guy’ might have read nfl.com mock that had us taking him. I wouldn’t be completely shocked but I think Jaelen Strong could go higher than maybe Tommy does. Jaelen would be in my five and ahead of Perriman.
i am a big fan of Jaelen Strong, but I dont see how we can pick him over Perriman. Strong’s game isnt running by you and killing you with his speed. He wins with size and position, almost playing like a defender bowing out for a rebound in basketball.. We already have Cooper and Jordan who win off of size and position, and dont bring the dangerous top speed element that is lacking in our WR corp…
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I assume Perriman’s speed would get the nod over Jaelen strong, two similarly rated prospects in my opinion, but stylisrtically different type of WRs… our WR corp lacks that top end speed, and deep play ability now that Maclin is gone..
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with that said, I hear that “Nelson Agholor is this years Jordan Mathews for chip”, so Im worried that it would take a guy like Devante Parker to fall to #20 for chip to pass on his “next pope jordan”… Agholor isnt the same style WR as Jordan, and he brings versatility to lineup anywhere which chip will love, but allegedly he is super professional, super driven really hard worker completely dedicated to becoming a great football player and helping a team win..
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from what I hear, I personally have a hard time believing they will pass on Agholor for some other WR… But I cant say I would be happy to see us pass on perriman for him, tho he does bring more speed element that we dont get from Jordan or Cooper…
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of course there is also a chance that they 100% convinced Huff could be a stud starting outside WR of the future in which case the WR they look to draft is with eventually replacing Cooper after the season in mind… if thats the case, then I guess a guy like Strong who wins with “size and position” could be targeted afterall… but i would guess that we have to be ready to move on from Cooper after this season for us to draft a WR that doesnt bring the speed to the WR corp…
Agree. I just think Huff would be a REALLY good slot WR, with his ability to break tackles.
I dont disagree, but I think they plan on having Jordan become Marques Colston slot Machine… But i wouldnt be surprised to see us Move Huff all over the place like we did with Deasan even tho Desean was our outside reciever. Huff moves around lines up outside, inside and in the backfield… they can also line up in formations with two WRs in the slot, Huff and Pope with Ertz flexed out wide with Coop on the other side…
Very true.
Team’s big problem may be end zone/red zone, speed doesn’t play a big factor unless you can run an end around or wheel route. They can find a speed guy. You want complete WRs in first. Strong is more complete than Perriman and sounds dedicated so he’ll be ahead of Perriman. Kelly may want Perriman.
Strong is much better than Cooper and can replace him. He can make one handed grabs which he practices and go to the ground to catch balls. Great kid it seems, smart, physical, can get into corners and then separate on a dime.
Strong is smarter and craftier than Perriman. Knows how to read coverages (another Philly kid was incredible at that) well.
He has similar qualities to Boldin with winning contested balls and doing little things if you really watch him you will pick up how he anticipates and can sell routes.
Perriman is rawer. His timed speed is sexy but Strong is capable of torching corners. He has know-how. We get caught up in speed and the thing that can really separate WRs is upstairs. Strong has the fire to get better and he has shown it.
Strong might be almost as much as a long threat as Agholor. Strong has speed and quickness . It isn’t elite or anything but his strides eat up yards. There is some build up speed but he does flash impressive smooth speed.
Do you think he wants Agholor over a complete bigger WR? I’m not sure. He recruited him – obviously didn’t get him.
Not quite as fast as Perriman but sometimes those guys tend to rely on pure speed and ability whereas guys like Strong and Matthews and Fitz and Boldin and Harrison and Jordy Nelson have to work at their craft but become great over time.
Nelson is another WR some fans said wasn’t real fast blazer, Colston too.
Re: Strong’s game isnt running by you and killing you with his speed.
That isn’t really true exactly…many great WRs aren’t burners but run by because they have good speed and smarts.
He isn’t jammed but he beats the shit out of the USC secondary here. Partly isn’t jammed because they may be scared of him.
He’s capable of improving and was in a situation somewhat similar to Matthews. Just needs to keep working and he’ll be a top WR.
Love this play. Narrator gets on my nerves a little.
https://youtu.be/UxRvC2MhLKs?t=21m42s
I hope this is the beginning of a new era in Eagles draft strategy. I have no idea who they’re going to pick, but let’s hope it’s not another punch in the gut like 2011.
Are you in Baltimore? I knew someone by that name. Former accountant.
Fisher / Jones / Agholor.
One of those guys will be available, and I have a hard time imagining the pick being anyone else. Hope we trade back.
Unfortunately, I think a lot of teams would trade back in this draft, so it’s not going to be easy. Everything you hear from insiders and scouts is that this is a top-10, maybe top-15 draft, then the next 30-35 guys are all on a similar tier.
I don’t think we’ll be able to get a 3rd round pick to move back a couple spots like last year.
The ESPN sport science show was pretty interesting..
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showed how the combine uses hand held stop watched to measure 40’s, where as the sports science lab uses some infra red scanning system to record exact time.. and it showed that WHile Kevin White ran faster then Amari Cooper at the combine. when they were measured by more precise sports science method tha Cooper was actually the faster 40 time…
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Interesting that while Coates is shorter then White, he jumps higher and has a bigger catch radius,,,,
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Coates NFL comparison was Greg Jennings..
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Amari Cooper’s comparison was Anonio brown
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White’s comparison was Julio Jones…
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Randy Gregory put on a crazy athletic display, his spin move measured like two times faster then Dwight Freeney
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Bud Dupree also moved well, i think his numbers matched up with Mingo’s
The combine uses electronic timing like at the Olympic.
also doesnt take into account the timing of when the kids performed at the sports science lab… prospects got in top shape and actually trained for the combine…If this show was taped like a month later, I doubt kids were training for it, so kids are getting measured at a different time then the combine, for all we know Cooper as trained like a mad man since the combine, where as Kevin White decided to take a vacation..
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we dont know if everyone measured as was their best wjhere as yuo know at the combine you are competing against guys who all trained for it and are in top shape at the time..
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I do wonder if the combine eventually changes and they start using the SS technology and measuring methods
why wouldn’t the freaking combine have the best technology.. dumb
pro day is prob even worse
Same reason they still do not use a tracker inside the football, but a 1st down is based on a refs spot and some chain.
i picture a secret underground bunker at Novacare where the only way to activate the elevator that takes you down there is by scanning chips eye, and once yuo open the elevator door you see the ESPN sports science lab with all the vests, and body suits that measure everything about an athlete, and the obsticle course used to put players thru position specific drills..
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one day they will find out that ESPN sports science Lab is underneath the novacare building…
That’s a really interesting show. Years back they did one on Greg Jennings. His catch radius was nearly the equivalent of a 2 car garage. They did one with Shady to measure the explosives of his moves, I forget the results and everything but I do remember being blown away.
that sprts science show even broke down Pacman and Mayweather for the upcoming match up… pretty cool stuff
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and Grudens camp is doing a special episode with Mel Kiper as grudens guest
Never watched Grudens QB camp. Gruden annoys me. Is it worth it?
its ok to see these kids personality, its entertaining… nothing special tho. puts the kid on the blackboard and makes them show their football IQ, or shows them film of themselves seeing what they do good and what they need to fix… if you like the QB prospect, its worth watching the episiode of him. I cant watch Jameis Winston because whenever he talks I just hear “Im a sociopath Im a sociopath Im a sociopath”
not sure what to make of Marynowitz offering up a statement where he emphatically on record states that we have 8 picks and we want to come away with 8 players, possibly more, not less…… what was the point of making that statement? if they are going to trade for MMarriota, what was the point of him making a statement that would make him a liar the first time he ever spoke to our local media?
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1) was that his “smokescreen” attempt to hide the marriota intentions as if thats possible?
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2) was he just being honest and trying to prepare the city for when we dont get Marriota?
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He didnt have to make a statement like that, and he seemed to be coached up very well about what to say and what not to say. Someone also pointed out that Marynowitz said that he thinks smokescreens are a waste of time…
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are they really going to pay some insane price for Marriota? or is this city going to flip out when the realization that Sam Bradford is their QB slaps them in the face?
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I look forward to having Bradford as a QB in a chip kelly offense especially if we drafted 8 kids, 8 chances to improve our team….. but on the other hand, Im almost afraid to live in the world where we dont get Marriota and the city, fans and media go nuts and it becomes more drama then ever… part of me wants them to get Marriota just because of how unbearable the media and fans will be if we dont get him after how crazy they built this up
Think he couched the comment in ‘philosophically’. If we trade up in the draft (at any point round 1 2 or later) i think we will see trade downs to pick up other picks later.
Plus trading away players rather than picks in order to get Mariota seems more likely.
My issue with this is that players are under valued. Take Cox – he is who Leonard Williams wishes to be in 2 years. Yes he is going to get paid soon, so over the next 5 years will cost $30mil more, but you know he is clean off and on the field and you have seen him succeed at this level. Cox is still only 24.
I am not saying Cox is worth No.2 straight up – but the real value to a team is closer than the NFL thinks….
If the option is trading 1 picks in 2016-2017 1st and keeping Cox realistically are we going to get a better player?
yeah but i dont believe the nonsense that we would trade a bunch of players for a top pick. Not that I think we wouldnt, I dont believe the titans would be down to take players instead of a bunch of picks… especially players they can just try to sign in free agency at the end of next season if they really wanted them… think the notion that they will take a bunch of players for the 2nd pick is a ridiculous fairytale..think its moronic to expect the titans to take kendricks, or bradford without them agreeing to an extension with the titans, for their 2nd pick…. its elliot shorr parks level stupidity
The statement isn’t a “lie”.
He is being truthful. The Eagles have 8 picks and WANT to come out of the draft with 8 players, maybe more.
Even if they trade the whole draft for Arik Armstead, it doesn’t make his statement a “lie”. It’s possible for humans to want multiple conflicting things -take this lesson from sports, apply it to real life.
Why do we care about such a minor lie. You have said before don’t believe anything they say.
Seems as though a good chance for a trade back in the first round.
GM speak, every GM lies. Fans can be so naive.
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 20: DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville (A+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Quinten Rollins, CB/FS, Miami (Ohio) (A-)
Round 3 Pick 20: Daryl Williams, OT, Oklahoma (A-)
Round 4 Pick 21 (CINN): Jesse James, TE, Penn State (A)
Round 5 Pick 9: Chris Conley, WR, Georgia (A+)
Round 5 Pick 20: Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon State (A)
Round 5 Pick 21 (CINN): Markus Golden, OLB/DE, Missouri (A-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Zach Wagenmann, DE/OLB, Montana (B-)
Round 7 Pick 20: Erick Dargan, SS, Oregon (C)
Love the first 5 picks – would be an amazing draft if it fell that way.
I don’t love Mannion as a pro prospect but he is fantastic value in the 5th and i do agree with the idea you keep drafting QB’s until you hit on one. Would not mind looking at Fajardo as a late round guy to take the Kinne role for 1-2 years and could develop into someone who could be something interesting with some development time.
yeah Im certainly not as crazy about Manion the way saome art talking about him as a 2nd or 3rd round pic, but like you said, just keep taking fliers on QBs til you strike Gold… I wouldnt mind Fajardo late either, see what Chip can do with a poor mans Kapernick
I saw Parler and I don’t even need to look at the rest. That’s alone would make the draft for me
LOVE IT!!!
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“I told [Eagles safety] Malcolm [Jenkins], I don’t know what they’re going to do in the draft this year,” Wolff said Tuesday during an appearance on my radio show along with Joe Staszak on 97.5 FM The Fanatic in Philadelphia. “But I told him ‘I’m going to be starting next to you this year.’ When I’m healthy, they know what kind of player I can be. I just went through so much adversity it’s crazy and I can’t wait to get back out there.”
I’ve been here in Philly the entire offseason,” Wolff explained. “I’ve been here spending a lot of time with Malcolm. Me and Malcolm have been watching a lot of film. I don’t know if you know how smart he is, but he knows the defense like the back of his hand.
“He’s taught me little things that I didn’t hardly think of. I’ve been watching a lot of film with him every day, about four times a week, I’m just trying to get comfortable with the information like he knows it. I feel like that’s going to be huge for me.
“I’ll probably be a little behind when I first come back, just because everyone else has been working and I’ve just been trying to get back … But, I feel like once I do get back on the field and putting that new knowledge that I know on the field, that I feel like along with my athleticism, I feel like the skies the limit for me. That’s why I have so much confidence right now. I just can’t wait to get back on the field.”-Earl Wolff via Matt Lombardo
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Wolff says he is a month away from being completely cleared for action..
The knowledge down the middle in terms of Logan, Mufasa and Jenkins is guy going forward. Hopefully Alonso has the smarts of Meco
kiko the space cadet… He is like Brick” from anchorman only he is a football savant… Like a Linebacker version of “rain man”
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If Kendricks, Cox and Curry are still here on Sunday, Im going to get really jacked up about the defense
A starting defense of Thornton, Logan, Cox, Barwin, Graham, Alonso, Kendricks, Jones and Thurmond, Wolff and Jenkins sounds good to me 🙂
sounds top 10 caliber to me….. best defense since when? like 2009?
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If thurmond stays healthy and starts 16 games, he could be the surprise addittion of our offseason. smart athlete, really long arms, playmaking gene
2011, it was much better than people remember.
Agree 100%. Thurmond hasn’t played much and we didn’t have to spend alot of money on him so alot of people are not aware of the talent he has. He is a very good CB, it’s just that he needs to stay on the field. There is a reason he was a high first round pick. The kid can truly ball. Definitely the most underrated signing by this team by a long shot.
Maybe this is a big reason Ryan’s was kept. Alonso from all reports is a good football player but a little dull, they didn’t give the checks and audibles to Kendricks last year, so maybe they want an ILB that they believe is capable of doing such things.
100%, a little dull, that’s funny.
In all the media mocks I see La’el Collins dropping much further than some earlier predictions. If hes there at 20 isnt that great value or they have to at least consider I would think. I could really see a trade down for more picks also if the trade up for MM isnt happening.
former owl, right? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/28/report-teams-calling-the-jets-about-muhammad-wilkerson/
The ONLY realistic way I think Chip can get Marriota and be ok with the Price Tag is if we can convince the Browns into doing something crazy like both their first round picks for Bradford and our 2nd rounder(ideally our 3rd rounder)
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That way we can offer the Titans or hwoever, trading back and getting the 12th, 18th and 20th pick in this draft and our 1st rounder next year..
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I dont see other realistic way of getting it done, because I dont believe a team would give away a #2 pick for players.. it will take Premier draft picks, not players…
The Cleveland Plain Dealer hears the Browns would still like to acquire Sam Bradford, but notes it’s “not likely to happen.”
Bradford, entering a contract year, only wants to sign an extension with the Eagles. That makes a trade very difficult as the Browns aren’t going to give up one of their first-round picks to get a one-year rental. Furthermore, the Plain Dealer notes that Bradford’s agent Tom Condon has had some very rocky dealings with the Browns — he represented Tim Couch, Brady Quinn and Jordan Cameron. If Chip Kelly is going to get up for Marcus Mariota, he’ll likely have to explore other avenues.-roto
yeah bradford not helping, but CK must have known that when he made the trade, so must have been good with bradford one way or another. Frankly, unless he comes here, i don’t see MM being “that guy” for another franchise. There’s been a ton of “high character” QBs (and that’s really what MM has going for him) that don’t pan out in the league, especially ones that come from spread offenses.
I actually wouldn’t be surprised if the bucs took MM and a RB in round 4. That would blow everyone’s minds.
Agree, Browns have to give us 12, for a team to move from 2 to 20 is a far drop, likely everyone they have a first round grade on will be gone.
That said, given the teams track record for first rounders might as well trade them all for players that you think are known commodities. 2 Danny Watkins for a justin houston?
If we had to lose Kendricks, I would hope we lose him for a player for player deal like Kendricks for Cordarrell Patterson, tho I really dont even know where this trade kendricks nonsense comes from, people point the the extension we gave Meco, but that lowered his cap hit making it easier to keep all 3, that doesnt at all point to losing Mykal IMO
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Mykal and Kiko behind Cox, Logan, Thornton will be the most fun on defense we had since like Jim Johnson was here
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Cordarrelle Patterson said he’s focusing on route-running this offseason.
Patterson is very self-aware when it comes to his weaknesses. The athletic freak simply hasn’t been able to get open at the NFL level, so he hasn’t had any success. “Growing up, I was always athletic and could just do anything,” Patterson said. “I’m in the NFL now, so I just have to focus on my craft and just work at route running, getting in and getting out of breaks and stuff like that.” Cordarrelle enters this season behind both Charles Johnson and Mike Wallace on the depth chart.-roto
Wow. Talk about destroying your career.
is that what they mean by on the trade block?
talk about eagles getting a cheap opportunity to “REHABILITATE” a career.
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there is Officially no chance Dion plays his next game for any team besides the eagles.. LOL see you on the waiver wire kid
nice lets get him!
Holy cow. He’ll be even cheaper if they want him when he is cut.
Free.99
To a good home.
It’s starting to seem like if you can even get him for the vet minimum he isn’t even worth it. Just doesn’t seem to want to play in this league. Very unfortunate.
or he wants to be here, but has more problems than known?
You would think he would opt to at least try and appeal the suspension though. He chose not to.
Probably need to have some colorable reason for appeal, damn, all that $$. Did he get a signing bonus? Does he have to give that back? Not a terrible result for the phins if they can recover the cap space.
Just like any good lawyer, any good agent will find a reason to appeal, as long as the client wants to of course. He got a signing bonus, I don’t think he is required to pay it back.
Depending on what “diluted sample” means exactly, he might have been advised that there is no way he would win an appeal. I can just see him standing there with the cup and a vial strapped to his thigh, yet somehow getting his own urine stream mixed with the clean stuff. Or it might be as simple as his being too brain-damaged from his drug use to stay clean long enough to give his own clean sample. Wonder if his thinking that a little ..whatever… never hurt anybody has turned into an addiction?
seems like he wants no parts of Miami
He isn’t suspended from Miami. He is suspended from the NFL. It seems he wants no part of being an NFL player besides the $. He would rather due what he is currently doing then be a NFL player.
I like discounts!
dude this kid is going to cost us NOTHING to try and “rehabilitate” his career…. I expected to get a discount with the way his stock kept nose diving in miami, but this kid will end up being cheaper then anyone could have imagined…
My guess is that it gets shortened to 10 games once he appeals.
/edit, I see he wont appeal
yea just, made an edit after I saw it.
It sounds like he really doesn’t even want to be in this league, so he doesn’t care what kind of suspension he gets. He just wants to get whatever money the Dolphins have been or are required to pay him. Even with Chip he will do this same crap. Worse even then Josh Gordon in so many ways. He will regret all of this in a few years.
i guess you really never know a guy. It’s interesting that 2 years ago this was a high quality CK guy, and now he’s just fallen completely off the rails.
Also interesting that chip would still trade for him after the meth situation.
Sometimes people and places can change someone and bring the worst out of a person. MIA and the people he met could have done that, plus the money. Or maybe he was like me, skated through HS, went to college, realized I actually had to apply myself, and didn’t want to do it anymore. Regret it now.
bwahahaha thats what Miami gets for being greedy;… they should have been coughed him up by now, how many times do we have to ask them? now we will eventually get him for nothing…LOL
Texans looking to shop Swearinger….any interest?
https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/593100891688935424
Why would we want a safety who cant cover at all?
It depends. Maybe we would change our scheme for him just like people want to change it for Collins.
He’s a walking 15 yard penalty. And a bit of a knucklehead. I’ll pass.
Lol I’m kidding. I wouldn’t want him either.
Ninja P said I was a ” piece of shit homer” and that he has been following the draft for 10 years and knows more than me about picks. He then told me I was a f**got. This is in response to the comment deleted.
Oh, that’s pleasant.
Lol, sure was. He like Dorsette much more than Agholor and he would know because he’s been covering the draft for 10 years.
He’s an ass.
He claimed only “nobodies” liked Hundley.
When I think Anders pointed out that both I and Kyle Crabs were big fans, he goes “yea like I said nobodies”.
Gotta lough internet tough guys.
yes, he’s terrible but he’d probably break djax and odb.
i like the kid, but the eagles wont be interested… he is basically Landon Collins only smaller
Nooo, the dion jordan suspension ruined my day. I was so hoping that we get him. Thanks fins for destroying his career. (ps: I know he’s 100% responsible for the crap that got him suspended but I’m sure this guy could have been a probowler in our D)
he can still be a pro bowler.
yeah but I don’t know if chip will have any interest in him anymore. being suspended again proves one thing, you’re dumb as f**k
no but he can be a pro bowler. not a football player a bowler.
what? this is good news for us. we wont have him for next year but he will be dirt cheap and this basically guarantees his next NFL game will be in an eagles uniform!!!
hopefully his next game isn’t in a prison uniform
huh? slow down champ.. his problems are pot and roids..
haha yeah but he sounds like he’s losing it a bit
dude, he has never even been arrested. he pissed hot for weed, and roids, and is now in trouble for a dilutted sample… Long way to go before he becomes a menace to society… kid probably bored and frustrated being drafted on a team where he is a fish out of water no pun, and doesnt fit roles in their scheme..
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see him in a year at a veteran minimum salary laced with incentives and we have to give up NOTHING to get him…
Give the spot to someone who cares like Fua. Stop making excuses for Jordan. He isn’t even that young anymore for what a cover LB at tops since he is a suspension guy. Not like he’s an Aldon Smith talent.
I doubt it now. Chip is willing to bend on the character issues a bit for guys he knows. But this is a repeated pattern of knuckleheadedness now. I don’t see how you could ever trust this guy.
trust this guy? he is going to cost a veteran Minimum contract that you can easily cut…. this kid is going to get another shot at some point in the NFL, and my money is on it being with Chip… kids never even been arrested and people are talking like he is colt lyerla now lol..
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you cant trust him to give him a big signing bonus and commit a ton of cap to him, Im sure he will get another chance as a flier by some team… he was one of chips favorite kids…
Trust goes beyond just what somebody may cost. Say you bring him in, he does well & you give him a big responsibility on the defense. Then he goes & gets popped again & your plans get screwed up. Why go through the hassle of always wondering whether he’s going to be there when you would need him?
I realize a lot of people wouldn’t think like this but Chip has his culture team-building thing going on. He wants guys that are 100% for football, not PEDs or whatever else he’s into. The kid probably just isn’t cut out for the NFL, emotionally or otherwise.
chip watched this kid overcome and come back from having his entire body burned and become a top pick switching positions….. I doubt he will turn his back on him off of what happened in Miami. Id Bet chip gives him a chance, he has never failed Chip before… chip gave chances to Laggarret Blount, Kyle Long, Kiko… this is the first time Dion ever let him down like this, and this all happened before Dion was even being negotiated for i assume,.,. think you are over reacting a bit, but we will find out next year
I hear you & I’m not talking about what I would do personally. Just trying to go off of the way Chip has reacted to this sort of situation so far. I could be completely off.
They don’t give one year suspensions for first time. He had a 6 game suspension before.
those had nothing to do with letting down chip kelly. Just sayin
He is already suspended for a year and needs a babysitter. 26 years old next year and it costs money to teach him. What a waste.
you really think he wont get a chance from Chip and the Eagles? id be shocked
Doubt it unless he’s desperate.
Chip will never waste his time
well, it is but I would have still prefered that we send a 5th to get him immediatly.
i like having two 5ths.. we should have had them last year but we traded 1 for sproles… obviously having Dion and MS2 as our OLB backups would be badass next year…but if I was willing to wait to pry him a way in free agency, then its not the end up the world if i have to wait a year to get him, especially after hitting Rock bottom, we will get him at rock bottom, dirt cheap, last chance… he either Does EVERYTHING RIGHT, fights to get his career back and we will end up with a nice player on our hands, or the mountain will be too high and he doesnt have the desire to climb it to get back from Rock bottom and we will easily cut him and it cost us nothing…
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heck Aldon Smith is even an angel this offseason after hitting NFL rock bottom next year..
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same thing goes with josh Gordon… kids like him and Dion will get 1 more chance to climb a high mountain and get out of rock bottom and back to the career they were supposed to have.. some will thrive off that “Last chance”, some will Fold… but I Think we can count on Chip giving him that Last Chance…and we either get a committed, driven beast, or he wont make it thru the summer and it cost us nothing
McLane says we were talking cond. late rounder and/or Mathis for Jordan.
that would have been a really ok move and probably confirm that we’re drafting an OL high
Sorry but a year or 2 of Mathis with Bradford is worth more than Jordan or a late pick. Would need to be Jordan + something for Mathis.
The Eagles were in talks to acquire him before this came out. Now it’s over.
Yeah I realized that too after I posted and saw suspension.
let this be a lesson to the fans who wanted to trade a significant player for a suspension guy.
aha great comment by a fins reporter “2013 1st and 2nd round gone in a puff of smoke, literally”
bet the Dolphins wish they traded him a bit sooner instead of negotiating over the price LOL…. see you next summer Dion!! start looking for Condo’s and AA meetings in Philly…
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what is the issue anyway? weed or roids?
The main issue is Stupidity.
Roids and meth..would’ve thought he would have more sacks. Actually possibly not meth but allegedly a “party drug with ampetamines in it”..so could’ve possibly been E the second time
lol dude, he didnt smoke Meth LOL.. if so he was taking playing in the eagles “football on meth” style tempo a little too serious.
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def had to be a moli or E…. highly doubt he was smoking Meth lol
Does anyone else think that Chip Kelly is running the Cleveland Browns also because Haslam liked him so much? Plus our backdoor relationship with Banner lol?
…basically I am saying we get their #12 overall for a bag of magical beans.
Yeah, but, look what the beans turned into! A golden goose! (Or duck). ;~)
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLEviJ_FZRbWdXXgucUh83lBAkv3hbWXJafAlSJ47CDYt_T_Zo
……….yeah Johnny Manziel (a gift from CK)
Okay. A goose anyway. ;~)
Banner doesn’t work for Cleveland anymore. He was unceremoniously shown the door, and I’d be very surprised if he did anything positive for the organization.
Yes i am well aware Joe Banner doesn’t work there anymore.
Okay, discuss.
Added tweet:
hmmm, it is a bit concerning that a player is getting so much hype after his terrific combine. #mamulaiswatchingus
I keep seeing people say this but it’s not true. This kid was highly regarded even before all that. Just that your average fan never heard of him until then.
no need to climb on your big horses regarding your talent evaluation, poor average fan like me just noticed scouts from all over the country giving him a day 2 grade and now we are talking about a high first, that is a huge increase in just a couple of months.
I hear you… on the other hand, not every champion of the underwear olympics will become Mamula.. Dontari Poe shot thru the roof all over a combine and his high pick has been justified by his play
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Personally, I would ONLY draft the DBs with both CB and Safety experience, that give us two chances of successfully transitioning to the NFL game.. If Byron Jones busts as an NFL corner, he has Safety experience to fall back on…. i wouldnt draft a pure CB like Waynes or Kevin Johnson… I want the Safety/CB versatile prospects like Byron, Rowe, Quintin. doubt a rookie DB starts for us next year, so stock up on versatile DBs and figure out where they best fit later
I’m actually right on board for drafting jones, love the guy. And looks like he has tremendous upside, but I would prefer trading down (like we did for marcus) and get him. I can understand however that we are not the only one intersted in him but to see him goes in the top 20 would be quite a huge climb of his draft stock.
hell yeah… Id be pumped if we could trade back and still get him.. If It was up to me, I dont care who we miss out on I would keep trading back as much as teams allow us, and draft like 12 kids… if its a crap shoot, the more kids you get the more “lottery tickets” you have the more chances you have on hitting on a player. Try and get like 10-12 kids every year to battle for like 7 or 8 roster spots…
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i would trade out of round 1 all together if it meant picking 5 times in rounds 2 and 3……
it’s interesting chip seems to have “guys” instead of using the crop shoot method
it does seem that way so far… this draft will really tell us
To be fair, going from 2nd to the 1st isn’t that big of a jump considering the other talent at CB. These same experts said that this is a top-15 draft, anything after that is similar. So if 16 is similar to the 2nd round, I don’t think it’s that big of a rise.
Daniel Jeremiah ranked him #38 awhile ago I think before the combine, so it’s only a jump of 18-20 spots in a draft that supposedly doesn’t have more than 15 first rounders.
Most had him as a Top 50 pick…DJ had him I think at like 35
Truth could lie in between.Contrary to popular myth so was Mamula, he was productive…it is probably more Mamula made a bigger leap than Jones but we really have no way of knowing teams grades/rankings before and after.
My impression was the geeks moved him up (i.e. Daniel Jeremiah for one
Im not sure how 31.5 sacks in 5 years is bad. Sure its not great, but if he hadnt had knee problems, Im sure he would have been much better
If he has political aspirations, perhaps he can talk to Nnamdi about how to transition into a public-facing career after playing football. I’m sure there’s some valuable insight to be had.
Runyan also went into office.
i have heard some people are starting to like the wake forrest CB more.. im not thrilled with either..
…totally honest I am just not a big fan of 1st Rd DB’s historically.
ya, plenty end up average. Hope they go WR
i dont believe in starting rookie CBs, so if dumb fans are going to bitch about spending a top pick on a kid that doesnt play next year, then Id rather not…
the only one from last year that was worth a 1st rd pick was Kyle Fuller?
i ended up watching him quite a bit for some odd reason I remember him always flying to the ball last year
the last thing we need after fans crying about Marcus Smith on the bench all year is a round 1 CB who will be buried on the bench all year. Media and donkey fans will be unbearable… “this college dope spends #1 picks two years in a row on kids that cant even play blah blah blah im an ignorant donkey, blah blah hee haw blah blah”
whom of which was one of the sexy-6 form last year lol
i heard that was BS and we liked Roby better but his off the field antics turned us off… but who knows…
I dunno man Fuller looked legit last year till he got hurt…. totally honest HaHa would have been aright if we traded up. Roby ended up in denver?
yeah denver… thats what Adam Caplan claimed like a month 3 months ago, but who knows..
Taylor Hart up to 300 – 305 after weighing in at 281 at combine. That’s….impressive.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/dave-spadaro/article-1/After-Redshirt-Year-Hart-Seeks-Impact/c06c627b-409c-4d58-9a66-140810704a3c
So we should expect to be without him for the first 4 games then? 😉
Too much duck, goose and turkey?
Even after the whole Josh Gordon fiasco, the NFL’s marijuana policy is still ridiculously antiquated. Jordan is obviously struggling with some stuff, but situations like this, to me at least, reflect almost as badly on the NFL and Goodell as employers as they do on the players who get caught up in them.
do we know it’s pot, i thought it was meth last time. Problem is you can’t change anything if you have no power. NFL basically says if they let players smoke kids will think that they can smoke (dumb logic).
f*ckin kids, ruining everything.
imagine a world where the NFL had no moral compass…. then it would be Spartan-Like, awesome.
it’s interesting that NFL players especially, but sports players generally are held to a moral “code” that executives in other industries aren’t.
If Jerruh can snort blow out of teenaged Thai ladyboy’s rectum, I don’t see why Dion can’t unwind with a rock or two of crack in the offseason.
Not enough upvotes for this comment. You sir win the day with that one.
BB:
I’d not heard/read that story.
And here I am, believing the ESPN Mag story that Jerry’s really a happily married family man
This is not a happily married man…
http://cdn29.elitedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/jerry-jones-underage-girls-elite-daily1.jpg
If his wife is down with it, what’s not to be happy about?
PS: Pre-nup.
*Nods*
Well she is a billionaire’s wife. If she’s unhappy she can just go buy something.
No pre-nup.
His wife was the UArk homecoming queen when they were both in college, long before he made his many millions.
For brand reasons, DUIs belong on the list of triggers for serious punishment — from both the owners and players’ perspective.
(Sadly, club members like Jim Irsay just aren’t held to any serious standard by the same men who scream about players driving under the influence.)
But marijuana? Headway’s been made, but more needs to be done.
And the NFLPA needs to push very hard on this front.
Unfortunately for the NFLPA, the labor deal won’t be expiring any time soon.
They’re very well paid employees, but they’re still employees. Our culture is increasingly one where across the board the executive class is not held to the same standards as those beneath it (which is just about all of us).
I like the way you put that.
There’s the idea of the “Leisure Class” in some modes of Classical (Liberal) Economics. It’s interesting to think that -with the disintegration of a tiered economic system -what the Leisure Class now represents.
If you haven’t yet read Orioles VP John Angelos’ response to the riots in Baltimore, it’s well worth it.
http://deadspin.com/baltimore-orioles-exec-offers-eloquent-defense-of-fredd-1700423773
He hit at the heart of the issue, and I’m glad someone is looking at the root of the issue, not the symptom.
I used to live up in Baltimore County before moving a bit south, and there’s a lot of issues in that city.
I just saw the headlines, but I’ll read the article.
Personally, I don’t blame anybody for rioting. If I had the gonads, I’d do it myself.
yeah he crushed that.
in todays NFL, we would never have players like the epic Lawrence Taylor or Micheal Irvin… and for what? fuck do I care if they snort coke or smoke a joint on weekends, why the hell are these grown men even being tested for drugs? why should anyone give a shit if they dont care enough to not put that crap in their body… how does smoking a joint mean that we should be cheated out of talent like Lawrence taylor or Micheal Irvin? Josh gordon is a special talent, why should I not get to see him play because he smokes a joint and drinks a beer? fuck if I care, why is it even being tested for?
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you should test for PEDs PERIOD… these are grown men with special talents, as long as its a clean playing field and they arent out hurting society get the fuck out of the way and let me watch special talents,.
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this is like not having some of the greatest songs or works of art in the history of the world because every artist is batshit crazy and on all types of substance abuse.,,. why the hell should we care, why is it our business, why is it roger Goodells business?
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you have two fuckin jobs to do jackass, make sure its an even playing field and stop the animals from beating and assualting woman and commiting crimes that harm society… depriving ourselves over a talent like Josh Gordon over pot, are we fucking kidding? we are basically punishing ourselves over some bullshit ideology that no one Obeys or even really cares about… what a joke
N-F-L-P-A . . . C-B-A.
I’m pretty sure the owners want to protect their brand by not having players getting photographed doing the “Perp walk” every week.
Simple stuff.
dion jordan was never arrested for anything Pal.. he never hurt anyone… why is miami and its fans cheated out of his talent? why is pot being tested for? who does it hurt? people use vaporizers now, you cant even say they are killing their own lungs..
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so should all the works of art of history be burner? should we stop listening to rock stars music… how does Dion jordon smoking pot effect anyone if he isnt being tested for Pot? it doesnt, its all bullshit
Cut the “Pal” crap.
It’s insulting.
ok enemy
Now that is okay!
(Have always had your back on Fisher and Grasu)
im not getting tested for pot once a month, I doubt you are getting tested for pot once a month, I doubt more then 3 people here are getting tested for pot, other then when they were initially hired.. so why the hell is a football player being tested for pot? who is he hurting? who is he bothering? whos business is it? when he gets arrested for Pot, THATS a very different story
il mio amico . . .
Regarding personal, private drug use — I agree with you. (As long as they’re not pulling a Thomas Henderson/Too Tall Jones orgy thing.)
The NFLPA’s not done enough to push back on the testing. Though things are getting better.
But somewhere along the line, the NFLPA cut a deal that gave away too much to the owners.
I always thought Dwight Gooden was at his best when he was using what he needed. Once he got “clean,” he seemed to lose about 5 mph off his fastball.
hahaha good ol’ Doc
you know hes a doctor?
Also insulting to say that artists and musicians are all drug users. Their drug use is in line with the rest of the population.
Out of all the stuff GE says, you object to “Pal”.
Messes up your lungs, which are needed for sprinting and stuff.
“this is like not having some of the greatest songs or works of art in the history of the world because every artist is batshit crazy and on all types of substance abuse.”
No.
I’d been beaten my wife for years until I found that the NFL was kinda-not-all-that-OK with it. Now I only beat when no one is looking.
incredibly dumb logic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM2RUVnTlvs
The cynic in me says they don’t get involved because it might piss off some people in Congress that they advocate a better drug policy. All it takes is a vote to take away their monopoly and tax exempt status.
I think they’re getting rid of the tax-exempt status voluntarily, and their monopoly comes state and local subsidies generally, so Congress can’t threaten that too much, especially since most of the damage has already been done.
This is true. I think the NFL as an organization (as it pains me to say this) couldn’t care less about issues facing society. As long as they are raking in well over $10 billion a year, who has time to care?
Businesses only care about social issues when it comes to their balance sheet.
For example, many on the energy companies in Oklahoma are against that state’s stance against gay rights because they’re unable to attract young talent (especially tech talent) due to the younger generation’s acceptance of gay rights. They’ve quietly been funding initiatives to modernize public policy.
If the NFL starts to lose money from some public policy -whether it’s equal rights or drug laws or something else -that’s when they’ll start to “care”. Just like they started to “care” about domestic violence once that looked like it could cost sponsors.
You do realize that the NFL is tax exempt because their profits are split between the 32 NFL franchises? So technically the NFL does not make a profit, but each individual franchise does and pays taxes towards that.
yeah non-profit just means you pay gooddell $40m/year b/c what else are you going to do with all that $$. Put cameras in the end zone?
A:
So what you’re saying is Goddel could have personally paid the $25 million to improve the replay experience and still cleared $15 million in salary.
WOW
from Yahoo Sports:
“The Miami Dolphins traded up to the third pick just two years ago to take Oregon defensive end/linebacker Dion Jordan. And through two years Jordan as many NFL suspensions (three) as NFL sacks (three) after it was reported that Jordan was suspended for all of 2015 by the NFL for violating the substance-abuse policy. He won’t appeal, ESPN’s Adam Schefter said.
Jordan’s suspension is due to a diluted sample, Schefter said. That counts the same as a failed test. That Jordan won’t even appeal is probably a little telling.
Jordan had two suspensions last year. The first was for violating the league’s performance-enhancing drugs policy. The second was for violating the substance-abuse policy. Here was Jordan’s statement for the second suspension:”
I didn’t include the statement as it was obviously written by some PR hack. Jordan seems to hve been brainwashed into believing that ‘a little–whatever–never hurt anyone’. It’s hurt him and his teammates. It’s also made him too stupid or addicted to stay clean before a test.
he at least tried to dilute.
It’s not about if the marijuana policy is antiquated or not. From the NFL’s perspective, their policy on marijuana(which has softened) is more a leverage tool against the NFLPA. If the NFLPA wants the league to be more lenient toward marijuana use, then the NFLPA has to cave on another issue.
Wasn’t saying they had no strategic reason for it, just that it’s a culturally antiquated stance in an area where they could really be at the forefront. Just because you do something for a reason doesn’t mean the reason isn’t douchey.
You know who Dion Jordan really screwed? lol edge rush prospect Shane Ray … this poor dumb schmuck gets pulled over with 35 grams of pot on the monday morning of Draft week, and the next day the top edge rusher from 2 drafts ago is banned for the 2015 season.. If teams didnt look down on Shane Ray yesterday, they are going to stop and think twice today….
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Ray was like the #7 prospect on McShays big board, now a team like Seattle will get him in round 2..
Round 2…some are saying he plummets to like the 4th
I dont know, I heard guy on radio say drop to 2nd or 3rd but no way he gets past 2nd. Changed channel and they were reading new mocks post news, still a lot of them had him later in the first. Will be interesting to see where he and Gregory end up.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/28/as-shane-rays-stock-plummets-talk-that-he-could-fall-to-round-4/
That was Dominik on Mike and Mike this morning
The problem when dumbasses like Gregory and Ray screw up is that they probably weren’t scheme fits for us anyway and because they caused themselves to drop, 2 of our likely targets at 20 will go off the board ahead of us.
thats a crazy fall, id be surprised….some smart slimy coach who doesnt care about the public like Pete Carrol or Bellicek, or the Cardinals will come up and take advantage of a bargain
Agreed. Posted link below, but just sharing what I hearD
i hear you… he seems like a good high character kid that would take something like this to heart and hopefully learn from it…. but not very wise thats for sure
From a person who has never smoked marijuana, is 35 grams a lot?
28 grams in an ounce. So he had 1.25 ounces….that’s quite a bit of pot but it’s not like he had a pound or anything lol
yes (for personal consumption). That said, if you’re rich maybe you buy in bulk b/c you can.
once upon a time long ago, that was about the amount 4-5 friends could make last for 3-4 weeks based on weekend use only.
now, the marijuana is so powerful, I haven’t a clue how long 35 grams would last . . . maybe 6 months.
Then you should never try European weed.
In Denmark we got a place called Christinia (its a place well known for selling weed) and Snoop Dog once visited it and wanted to try some of the stronger stuff and he end up passing out because it was way too strong for him (In Denmark a normal joint uses around 1 gram)
its more then a days worth for a human being thats for sure… I would assume it would be enough to last him atleast a week, 10 days/… so its not like a tiny bit that you are carrying around to take a puff after a workout or something… its not alot, but more then anyone with a brain should be out of his house with. no reason to have that much on him. just dumb
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Tharold simon got arrested a few days before the draft like two years ago, he even hit the cop with the “you know who the F I am?”.. GMs love to hear that 3 days before the draft lol….. of course Pete Carrol didnt mind..
“its not alot, but more then anyone with a brain should be out of his house with”. As a millionaire especially.
If you smoke often you’ll go through about a half ounce in a month. It’s a bit excessive to buy 35 grams, yes.
Was it amazing how Jordan never had an positive drug tests in college. Or did he, actually?
Regardless, Jordan — who’s already pocketed $14+ million, less taxes and legal fees — has suffered from the same syndrome as Lawrence Taylor:
“Growing up poor and finding yourself with thousands of dollars in your pocket and lots of time on your hands.”
There’s a resort outside of Denver up for sale — you know, where dope is legal.
Who’s with me?
http://38.media.tumblr.com/2e30b7757a170ea7d2e969bcbce7751b/tumblr_ndz1c09Igs1txp8nwo1_500.gif
Reefer Madness . . . sweet movie
Still a federal offense, slow down Cheech!!
For at least the past 25 years, DOJ policy has been not to enforce the possession statutes when small amounts of marijuana are involved and no other crimes (like possession of an unregistered firearm or child porn, for example).
True under GOP and Dem administrations.
No question, someone has to acquire and distribute the drug.
But I think personal use would be okay — vis a vis the feds.
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“So who’s with me?! Let’s go!!!”
I’d join you but suffer too much from reefer madness to find Colorado.
that’s really funny.
how’s OD doing?
Got some bad medical news but the good news is I can get a medical grass card. Everything has a silver lining, even the Eagles 2015 draft. 🙂
Very sorry to hear that.
You do have such a great attitude, though.
Thoughts and prayers, my friend.
And if I can ever help in any way, T-Law knows how to reach me.
Thanks AC. I really appreciate the offer and prayers. Attitude is everything in life, I’ve learned. T-Law’s blog is a great attitude adjustment, along with my pipe and a glass of good whisky.
Hey, anytime you want to reach out and talk, feel free to track me down.
Would welcome it.
Will do AC. Right now I’m in the denial and WTF stages. Need a little time to process.
FWIW I am a medical student and if you have any questions I could try to answer them. Best of luck.
Thanks Mitchell will do. Looking into proton beam therapy, so I may have a few technical questions.
All thoughts with you, and hopes for the best. You make this community better.
LAE on target
Sorry to hear that, and i echo others’ comments. I try not to get too personal on here but my g/f is a hospital social worker and we’re on the west coast, if you ever need anything (to talk or help navigating insurance, etc.) she loves that stuff and she’s really good at her job.
Thanks for the offer anon. My wife’s a nurse but the insurance labyrinth is even confusing to her. Who the heck ever heard of ” balance-billed charges” or “excess-billed charges”? The whole thing seems like a flim/flam con job.
OD:
I do quite a bit of healthcare work as an attorney. (Came in very handy when my daughter was sick.)
So if you or your wife have any legal questions, CALL ME — I’m happy to try to help. Gratis of course.
Thanks AC for the offer. My buddy got a $13,000 bill for one treatment. In his case, medicare paid only $3,700. So I am a little worried about these “balance-billed charges” bs. Heck, I’m not even on medicare yet.
We will see how it unfolds.
My girlfriend got a job with Aetna for next year.
My mother remarked she wished my girlfriend would have gone to work for the mob, because at least then she would be making an honest living.
May I ask in what year? Cause I’m going to college next year and I’m thinking about entering the medical field
Almost done with 2nd year. Just message me in an old post if you have questions.
we are cheated out of enough talent each year from injuries and morons getting arrested for despicable things…. as if we arent missing out on enough talent every single year, its like we actively look for ways to lose more talent, over issues no one really cares about……its bad enough these guys arent the role models we would hope they would be… lets go out and look for more problems and find ways to lose more talent over something that isnt effecting anyone…
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for Image reasons, you will NEVER be able to say No drug tests in the CBA, but its not like corners arent cut everywhere else in life.. drug policy was always what it was yet people like Lawrence Taylor always circumvented it, yet now we pretend it actually matters and we pretend anyone really cares and while we are punishing a human being, we are also punishing ourselves over something that doesnt effect anyone,. enough talent comes in the form of some genuinly bad people that we have to miss out on because they do despicable things that hurt other humans. there are plenty of bad people in the NFL that deserve being suspended and do things worthy of being suspended.. no reason to make a cherade and look for meaningless reasons to lose talent
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No Player should be allowed to go out and get himself arrested with pot, or put humans in danger by drinking and driving. Im not allowed to make my employer look bad and keep my job, so they should be heavily suspended and punished for arrests… but to lose talent over something that effects no one is just ridiculous.. i dont even care about Dion Jordan… But I feel cheated out of not being able to watch the career of a special young talent like Josh Gordon.
Things are improving between the League and NFLPA on drug testing
But you’re right . . . there’s still a mile to walk.
it doesnt matter, this will never ever be able to be officially changed… The NFL will never be able remove drug testing from a collective bargaining agreement just because of how bad that looks publically… They will never be able to change crazy punishments for silly recreational use because of public image..
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the only way it can ever change is to go back to the old days when people just looked away…. IF Lawrence Taylor came today, we would be cheated out of one of the most special players ever,… i mean fans are punished just as much, and for what..no one is being harmed or effected
” They will never be able to change crazy punishments for silly recreational use because of public image”
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That’s the part that rankles.
And in the meantime, the NFL had its collective heads in the sand on violence issues.
And issues of some behaviors of the owners. But I’m right there with you on that.
I mentioned the Irsay debacle elsewhere.
One of the privileges of “membership” (as AMEX would say)
thats the worst part of it all…. showing you are tough by punishing for the stupoid stuff, while dropping the ball on domestic abuse and despicable things that really matter
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I mean even if they wanted to lower recreational pot use punishment, can you imagine the headlines the next day?
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“NFL says Ok to Pot”…. theres no legitimate legal solution. Losing Dion, is like if the NFL told us we cant have Barwin because he had a few glasses of wine the day before the test… come on
Agree with 90% of what you said. Unfortunately there is alot of harm that is done. First off to the person that is in the addiction. Second off to that person’s family. If someone is an addict and they are used to million dollar paychecks there is a very good chance that when the money runs out alot of people could be hurt in many different ways. The NFL needs to find players that are truly wrapped in addiction and use their billions of dollars for a rehabilitation program. At that point set up suspensions based on that program. When I say program I do not mean more drug tests and classes now and then. This program should also be out of the public’s eye and the clients names should be kept confidential.
I’m talking about pot, something they give out as medicine…I don’t think players should be running around the field on crack lol like LT… Dangerous to let a player play on coke or meth or crack lol, you should keep people from harming themselves but come on if a player smokes a joint after a game he isn’t doing any harm to anyone…
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Like the Nevada athletic commission suspended MMA fighter Nick Diaz for a year for THC, are you kidding me? This man doesn’t get a pay check for an entire year and he doesn’t even put smoke in his lungs, he is a super athlete who is all abou wholistic life, crazy diet, he eats the pot… We can’t even argue that he his harming his lungs, how does this man get banned from earning a living for a year and not be allowed to cage fight? Like are we insane?
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Your absolutely correct. I thought you were talking about true addicts.
As someone who works in drug recovery i am against the entire concept of the war on drugs – it does not work, the criminalisation process is causing far more criminality and harm and far far greater social and material cost than a regulated alternative.
However we are still pushing an anti-narcotic narrative country wise and because of this any public facing entity does not want to look soft on drugs.
The NFL bends of backwards to make the drug policy easy to avoid – if you are clean you get tested once a year when you know when the test is happening. It is a retard/addiction test and people who fail that very low bar have to re-evaluate their life choices if they want to continue to exist in this league.
Alistair have you read the book “Chasing the Scream”?
I just read it and its awesome… about the war on drugs and addiction.
No i haven’t yet – but i have just downloaded it to my Kindle so will do once the draft cycle has finished.
Alot of the consequences they give addicts does nothing to help them. Alot of times it only worsens the problem and created problems later in life. The system is so far behind. It doesn’t differentiate between someone needing help and someone needing punishment. The fear of going to jail doesn’t stop addicts for reasons someone only educated in the subject could understand. Changes need to be made, and unfortunately they are either happening way to slow or not at all.
Over coming addiction is a personal process, you either understand you have a problem and genuinely want to make a change or you do not and don’t. Support works for the first group and nothing helps the second.
Players have access to all the support they could ever need if they want it, but the reality is most are in denial about their problems or their impacts.
Hard to think you have a problem while you’re young and successful.
Totally agree – i find the most successful emotion to enable recovery is hatred of the substance, and it is hard to hate anything when you are young, rich and surrounded by enablers.
Agree, but once you get in the program it’s a little draconian.
The Olympic drug testing programme is draconian i would not characterise the NFL’s that way, they are not waking you up at 5am and sticking needles in your arm for blood samples.
You need to be careful while you are on the NFL’s programme but lets be honest you don’t need to be Lance Armstrong to work around it.
Or the league can raise the acceptable level of measurable THC in testing and make rehabilitation the focus over punishment.
I don’t think the NFL bends over backwards in their drug policy.
With the continued legalization/decriminalization of marijuana use across the US, the NFL could lead the way in a responsible and sensible measure and enforcement plan as it pertains to one’s work environment/productivity and acceptable use.
yeah THC levels are stricter than the olympics…why?
Any drug testing programme based around a single sample one a known date once a year is a joke.
An olympic athlete has no idea when they are going to be tested, and the reality is that they could get busted for secondary inhalation at very low levels.
There are a range of ways you can ‘beat the test’, the easiest is to stop smoking from Mid February to March 10th, but even if you are smoking up until the 3-4 days before you can do some things to pass the test at that point if even do basic research.
3 things:
1) we never know what substance people have been busted for with these tests – because we want to believe the best in people we say oh its just a little weed – but i would think is a significant number of cases it is something a lot more serious.
2) Even if there was total legalisation across the US for Marijuana i would doubt the NFL would have a progressive policy towards Marijuana until there has been far wider changes in public perception, is just not worth the risk.
3) As an employer which is paying athletes millions of dollars i want them able to perform at the absolute top of their ability. NFL athletes are still significantly behind other Pro sports in their professionalism towards increasing their own performance levels. THC have a range of nurological effects that can lessen performance levels (and the smoking process as well) so why allow my athletes to do it?
Wall Streeters get paid way more than professional athletes in many circumstances and recreational drug us is rampant in banks and law firms (though that’s starting to change). No one is ever drug testing those guys (though they’re typically smart enough not to get arrested while carrying, probably b/c a while guy in a benz is way less likely to get pulled over than a black guy in a benz or a truck with rims and tinted windows).
Trust me a lot of large firms do have drug testing policy’s – i work with a fair few people in paid support programmes for them.
Also the reality is that recreational drugs tend to diminish reflex and spacial awareness as the most short term effects – that is not a problem for a hedge fund manager – it is for a pro athlete.
Trust me if you’re failing drug test in the NCAA or NFL, you’re legitimately a fucking idiot.
“if you are willing to trade for a guy with 3 career sacks and 2 failed drug tests in a year, then Chip is willing to pay anything for any former duck”-Espn… Touche Espn, Touche…well played
I wonder what we were planning on giving up for Dion Jordan. Think maybe Brandon Graham might have been part of the deal? He’s an awkward fit here but I bet he would fit perfectly in the 4-3 opposite Cameron Wake. He wouldn’t have the pressure to be “the guy” rushing the passer and its a better system fit, and he’s recently been signed to a pretty reasonable deal.
Might have been mutually beneficial for both teams to just swap players.
24/7 reports the Birds were offering a conditional late round pick . . .
which is one step up from nothing.
Guess Chip was taking a flier instead of going hard after someone he really wanted.
people need to get the idea out of their heads that NFL teams will sign a free agent, give him a signing bonus and turn around and trade him that summer.. i hear it all the time and it makes my skin crawl by the absurdity of it
Two words:
Jeff Ireland
You mean Dennis Hickey?
Well now that I know something that drives you nuts…
Not that Graham has signed an extension. The dead money hit would be too big.
Doubt it. You would be giving up your best pass rushing OLB for someone that hasn’t even shown yet that he could be an effective NFL player, while having very minimal depth behind him. That would be an extremely stupid move. Move was either for draft picks or Boykin/Mathis. Both players Miami was reportedly interested in.
Really getting tired of people saying Brandon Graham is an awkward fit. It’s been proven to be false by now. He just signed a decent sized deal. He’s here to stay.
Agree, just because his talent may be maximized as a DE does not mean he is an an awkward fit here. He has proven to be a good player in this system.
It was a late round conditional pick per McLane.
My perfect draft scenario: trade back round 1 (pick up extra third) and draft UConn CB/S Jones, round 2 (trade up with extra 5th round pick) draft Utah CB/S Rowe, round 3 (pick 1) stay put and draft Hobart OL Mopart and (second pick) Georgia WR Conley….and some mixture of OLB, OL, WR, ILB with remaining picks…..thoughts??…and be gentle lol
Fantastic if you can pull it off. Think Jones is a guy you would take at 20 if he is there – very risky to trade down to 26-27 (value to trade for a 3rd) and still expect he will be there.
Otherwise would be fantastic value and players in the 2nd and 3rdx2.
Thoughts on a team like Pitt or Arizona trading up for Ray?? They are sitting at 22 and 24 respectively
Think you are more likely to get a 4th for them to jump 2-4 spots, we robbed the Browns last year because they were going for a QB and they are the Browns.
Trading down is pretty dangerous, Bengals, Steelers and Lions need secondary help in a big way.
very good points, thanks for your insight
Not that i am against moving down at all, think this is a dream draft to do so. My best case scenario is to trade down to 26/27 for a 3rd and then trade down again to the 40th pick for another 3rd. Package those 2 for another 2nd in the middle of the round.
Think best value in this draft is the middle 2nd range, can pick up guys who will be in the same ‘tier’ of prospect as those available at 20.
Just think Jones goes higher than people think. Clean off the field and spectacular measurables push people up boards because the only way they bust is if you cannot teach them properly (and coachs/teams are arrogant in their belief they can do so)
I completely agree and my thinking is to finally shore up this porous defense and I believe Jones and Rowe would do that, however, I am realistic and envision it would be difficult to get both
I am a big Jones fan boy – i like Q Rollins more than Rowe – think he can be a special player while Rowe will be a solid one and i prefer high risk reward guys.
I am so pumped for the draft – can go 1000 different ways, got the rest of the week off – draft party organised it is going to be… wait for it… LEG-END-DARY*
*Unless we trade entire roster and next 10 years picks for Mariota and then i will go cry all weekend.
Rollins scares me. Only one year of play. I don’t like that reminds me of Marcus smith in that regard, and only in the inexperienced reguard. Buttt to each his own. I hope u have a fun draft party, I might try and get some of the boys together too but it’s not gonna be Barney Stinson leg-end-ary status tho haha
Maybe it is because i like the way teams like the Steelers and Packers do things – but i think expecting contributions outside of injuries from rookies is foolish. If they beat out a Vet – fantastic they deserve to start but i don’t agree with this must contribute first year mentality this city has.
Let them learn a year and adjust to being a profesional athlete and get a year of pro conditioning and learning in and then see how they do year 2.
Well those are 2 pretty good franchises who have multiple super bowls…soooo ya seems like u have good taste lol also I agree with letting players sit if they are not ready. But if there ready, let em play, I mean they couldn’t be worse than fletcher and Allen last year, right?!?
my dream is to do what you said and trade back twice get an extra two 3rds, but instead of packaging them, I would have two 2nd round picks and three 3rds…. some real nice talent should still be available in the 3rd, Im not sure an extra late 2nd is better then two 3rds in this draft…
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If we can pick 5 times in rounds 2-3 thats the dream.. I would hate to go take those 5 picks and make them 4 unless a serious player falls and we dont think we can get a similar talent in the 3rd..
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but im thinking, trade back once to like 26-28 and let someone jump all the RB needy teams for Melvin Gordon(while keeping him away from dallas, I assume Gurley will go earlier).. and at #26 trade backl into the beginning of round 2 so a team can trade up secure Hundle and get the 5th year option for taking him in round 1, and if we can play two QB NEEDY Teams against each other, maybe we can end up with a 2nd or a 3rd and a 5th instead of just a 3rd to trade out of round 1 all together.. and we could end up with three 2nds and two 3rds…. Thurday would suck, but I wouldnt mind trading out of round 1 and make our 1st pick at the beginning or round 2
Maybe it is First-draft.com fatigue, but i find talent for the area’s the eagles want runs out at the start of the 3rd round when i look at top 100 lists. 2nd round for me is this drafts sweet spot.
I can’t see the Hobart kid lasting that long.
Any prediction what round you think he will go in??
Mid 2nd to be honest. Like one or two spots before we pick and I wind up throwing things at the TV.
I like him.
Lol I know that feeling haha but yes I am a fan and believe he would be a good fit
I think he’s there in the third. Consensus opinion isn’t anywhere near where eagles fans have him.
Guys on Sirius, Pat Kirwan especially, are pushing him into the area I stated. We’ll see draft night.
Roto:
Coach Ken Whisenhunt says he would be willing to incorporate some elements of the spread into his offense if the Titans selected Oregon QB Marcus Mariota at No. 2 overall.
As former Rotoworlder Gregg Rosenthal put it on Twitter, “this all sounds like nonsense.” The Titans talking so openly about Mariota could be construed as a bluff, while Whisenhunt isn’t exactly known for his flexibility, or excelling with young quarterbacks. Of course, if the Titans do select Mariota, they’d be absolute fools not to incorporate the spread. Ultimately, the Titans still seem more interested in trading down than taking Mariota.
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Philip Rivers – QB – Chargers
Titans GM Ruston Webster says the Chargers have not “reached out” regarding a trade.
It confirms NBC’s Alex Flanagan’s report that the Chargers “haven’t had conversations with any team” regarding Philip Rivers. There’s still plenty of time for that to change, of course, but for now, it appears talk of a Rivers/Marcus Mariota blockbuster can be put on ice.
“Titans GM Ruston Webster says the Chargers have not “reached out” regarding a trade.” = / = “Titans GM says that the Titans have not ‘reached out’ regarding a trade”.
It’d take a big haul to move Rivers, that said they might as well blow up that team unless they think they can hold on for another year or two until peyton retires
Blown smoke to drive up the trade value.
Yup all BS… But I think the only way the Eagles get Marriota if they can convince the Browns to give us both thier first round picks for Bradford and our 3rd rounder and then we give the Titans the Browns two 1st rounders, #20 and our 1st next year… Without those 3 first round picks I doubt the Titans trade back… Need to get both of the Browns first rounders if u want Marriota
Miami Dolphins DE Dion Jordan suspended 1 year – NFL.COM
Your like me at times. See news, say it here only to find out people have been talking about it for hours.
island time
Mahalo
Hawaiian Eagle, do you live in Hawaii now?
I do, Ewa Beach.
The NFL has relinquished its tax-exempt status. Commissioner Roger Goodell labeled the designation a
“distraction.” The move means
Goodell’s salary will no longer be public record.[Read: Commissioner Roger Goodell labeled the [discussion of his salary] a
“distraction.”]
Enough people have raised a stink about it that Congress might have even acted on it.
No big deal. NFL will pay ~$10M more in taxes at most but more importantly not have to disclose any more fiscal or operating information. Small price to pay.
NFL still gets to suck on the big public titty though for the estimated $1B in annual various public subsidies though. I’m sure that in the next NFL labor round of negotiations we will hear the owners cries of financial struggles again too.
They will just not turn a profit – make sure every dime of profit is paid to the teams and they will not have to pay a cent.
Maybe over time they will but that will be next to impossible to do over one year without sticking like a red flag.
Not sure which group of professional sports owners I generally despise more. MLB is tough to beat for their historical stances/overall history and somewhat more recently attempts to collude several times. Give it to the NFL though nowadays.
I think I just settle with anyone who has scrooge mcduck swimming pools of gold levels of money. Seems to be a fair blanket statement
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s–JMX7gP9P–/17kdjxvdqvygyjpg.jpg
The owners are the kind of folks who make dark campaign contributions of $1 million-plus — or as much as they want — to all kinds of PACs who don’t have to identify donors.
Funny how the campaign finance laws are set up that way.
And 5 of 9 Supreme Court justices said that no limits is a good thing.
http://www.allgov.com/news/where-is-the-money-going/super-wealthy-pour-money-into-election-campaigns-through-single-donor-super-pacs-150422?news=856301
corporations are people, too.
Church-going people . . .
Now that one, that one strikes me as one of the worst decisions, legally speaking. Right up there with Roberts’s opinion in the HeritageCare case. That said, Roberts’s opinion is the closest thing I can find to a modern day Marbury v. Madison. Sleight of hand and misdirection all the way. Watch how that one plays out over time.
Citizens United, top 5 worst SC legal decision for you?
I think it’s certainly got to be in the conversation.
It’s funny, but “legally,” not really one of the worst, IMO. From a policy standpoint, absolutely, and might just be the worst. And no one should be deluding themselves at this point that SCOTUS is a policy-driven body. From the ghost-whisperers on the right, to the “living constitution” types on the center-left, they’re all really just finding post-hoc rationalizations for their personal preferences (or for their power-base’s preferences) on most of the big issues, and especially on some of the more esoteric cases that they take.
What do you mean? The Constitution totally and concretely addresses the rights of a hearing aid conglomerate to help make TV’s and car radio’s produce a higher decibel, therefore artificially driving demand for their product. It’s like right after the preamble.
I see the NFL is working hard as usual.. spending their time to really make a difference,, Keep earning that money… They got paid today for deciding to hide how much they get paid from here on out LOL… I NEED THAT type of job in my life…
…
“honey how was your day today, did you work hard?”
“It was a long day, in the end I was able to change it so from here on out, no one will know what Im making… all in a hard days work, earning that money!!”
A former girlfriend of LSU G/T La’el Collins was shot and killed and while he currently isn’t a suspect the police want to question him. This might give teams pause when considering drafting him high:
https://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter/posts/948522108533764
Well if he isn’t a suspect it shouldn’t change much unless a team thinks he actually could of done it
They won’t officially deem you a suspect even if you’re a person of interest until they gather more evidence. Unless they clear him pre-draft and there’s not a lot of time left to do so, I think teams will be weary.
I mean is the only reason he is even being questioned the fact that’s she’s an ex. I really want to believe he didn’t do it
Not a lot of time for teams to get clarity on the matter.
Really sucks for him if he didnt do it, not trying to make light of her death but as far as Collins is concerned awful timing
Not publicly.
But to the mighty NFL security apparatus . . . hmmm.
Wow NFL drafties are looking at Jordan, Hernandez and Gordon and going damn you are costing me a lot of money. Collins has problems because no way teams can get due diligence done on this at this point in time for the draft to fully clear him from this being a significant concern.
Collins to ray: “Ill see your pot bust and raise you a questioning of a murder”.. “your move”…
Mariota comes out as gay and getting married next week – BOOM.
Yes!!! Wednesday he announces he is gay, Thursday he falls to #20, Friday chip and Marriota have a press conference and tell the NFL “April fools” while Marriota introduces his gorgeous girlfriend and proposes to her at the introductory press conference on Friday and she becomes the queen of philly… Every old boy NFL coach and GM deapise Chip and we live happily ever after getting the golden boy at #20
Who will the Eagles take at that spot?
Im no soothsayer.
Im gonna go with OL with the first pick.
I wanna throw in some exception. But that’s what I really believe.
Reasoning. The line is old and the least deep.
Im pulling for Clemmings.
La’el has this girlfriend thing but I still think he will be gone, TJ has a fracture and I’m not sure how serious that is, Scherff should be gone and I don’t like Peat for us, would Flowerd make any sense? would we reach for jake?
this draft is so hard..I cant even come close to figuring out the order of the first 7 OL off the board.. Im not even sure who the top OL is..
I have no idea about any position!
No idea how WR’s are stacked outside of top 2 and where they will be valued. OL is a mess, secondary outside of Waynes i have no idea, RB’s are always hard to tell, DL and Pass rushers with all these drug busts are a lot less clear now.
Is going to be a fun a wild draft week, think there are going to be a lot of ‘surprise’ picks.
Basically… I dont even know who the 1st lineman drafted will be. I can’t even remember that ever being the case..no idea what order the WRs will go…. This draft is really is a mess Oreo said it right
Whole draft is hard as hell after the first few picks, after the top 3 everyone has their own wr list, pass rusher order is a mess with Greg and Ray getting busted, I have no clue the OL order, after Waynes cb is take your pick, it’s just a mess lol
Jason Canasomethin listed his 5 “sure bets” and only one OL – Brandon Scherff was on his list the other 4 were Williams, Fowler, White and Cooper. Scherff gets mixed grades at left tackle, but 5 stars as a guard. In any case, he won’t drop to 20.
I don’t see the Eagles reaching for Jake. Flowers may be gone early, and He didn’t appear to be on the radar of the eagles (See interest tracker)
After my late night research into statistics (Mostly from PFF, pro-football reference, NFL.com) and comparing that with interest from the eagles via the interest tracker. I have changed my tune.
Although Im not gonna have time to look at more tape. I believe the top prospects the eagles are looking at for OL and OLB are not first round targets. I think they are fit guys that the eagles are interested in, but wont reach for.
First round pick will be a CB/S and I believe they view that draft position as one almost.
Heres my current draft
1. Eric Rowe (S)
2. Nelson Agholor/Jalen Strong (WR)
3. Brett Hundley/Garret Grayson/Blake Sims (QB)
4. Terry Poole (G)
5. Obum Gwacham (OLB)
6. Randall Telfer (TE)
7. ?
8. ?
I haven’t taken into consideration who will be available as much. Some guys could be taken way earlier or later. This is my guess.
Chris Polk to the Texans. Good stay out of the NFC.
John McClain
@McClain_on_NFL
1m
1 minute ago
Texans agreed to terms with RB Chris Polk.
nice… there were rumors about Pete Carrol which would have sucked.. I like him with the Texans… rumor they will draft DGB
At 16?! That would be great
Any report on the amount?
Polk’ll be #3 going into camp, I think, behind Foster and 2nd-year player Al Blue from LSU.
But he’s a better receiver than Blue. And Blue’s YPC was 3.1 last year — on 169 carries.
Lots of carries potentially available for Polk.
Hope the kid knocks ’em dead.
reunited with DJII.
Had forgotten about #13.
Pretty decent numbers last year for Houston.
Who’s the new QB for the Texans?
mallet and hoyer for now
Hoyer . . . that’s the one I couldn’t remember.
He should fit O’Brien’s ground-and-pound scheme.
But the Texans sure look to be in desperate need of another quality WR.
And a D-lineman.
And a linebacker.
And CB.
And S.
Are comp picks given for untendered RFAs?
Obviously, it’s a complex formula and the Eagles probably won’t get any next year with all of their signing offsetting their minimal losses. Just wondering if these players work into it.
no comp possibility for Polk.
660,000 with upto 100,000 in per game bonuses (46 man roster).
So Polk cost him self around 800k by not signing his tender here
Re: La’el Collins’s draft stock after Ex-girl friends’ homocide
Commenter Greg Richards briefed us on the situation: Cops wanna speak to Collins.
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Right now, Collins’s agent is — or ought to be — faxing/calling/emailing every GM with an “open kimono” explanation that explains why Collins’s stock shouldn’t be effected.
And Collins should be by the phone ready to speak to anyone in an NFL front office who’s interested in clearing up any doubts.
UNLESS, of course, Collins knows something he doesn’t want to share.
If he didn’t do it he should be speaking to every damn team and making sure you make it 100% clear you aren’t involved
It boggles my mind that these guys get caught in these “scandals” so close to the draft and combine. He may not have had anything to do with it, but sometimes guilt by association can cost you.
Rae Carruth problems?
That’s why Collins must work the phones.
In the meantime, the NFL’s security apparatus is collecting information on Collins from the local authorities . . . to be neatly packaged and distributed under the “Cone of Silence” by Thursday morning.
Here’s an angle I’m interested in. We have 3 rivals. 1 such rival resisted the urge to do something idiotic in drafting Manziel last year (dammit!) by drafting Zac Martin, a fantastic pick (dammit!)
Redskins, Giants, Cowboys: who do you guys most fear them getting their dirty mitts on at 5, 9, and 27 respectively, and what’s the dumb temptation you hope they fall for? (For any of the 3 teams if not all)
Ark87 . . .
Where you been?
This off season has not been kind to me my friend! The news has been rumors of the Eagles doing things I don’t like, the Eagles actually doing things I don’t like, and the comments have been largely mock drafts, draft-game results, and a strange war of personalities. I’ve been reading along though.
I wish I knew more about the draft prospects to really get into an intelligent discussion about them. But as soon as the draft comes and we have our picks and are getting into OTA’s, I’m sure I’ll be back at my usual 130% enthusiasm.
You’ve been missed, to be sure.
I appreciate that ACV, can’t wait for for football to get out of the draft rooms and onto the fields and we can all get back into our routines.
Tell me about the mock drafts! 😉
I did thoroughly enjoy media mike’s 50+ player haul though, I must admit
Well, see, there are these draft simulators and people run the simulators until they get absurdly good results and then post them here and people respond how there is no way player x will be available in round n, but of course the only reason the mock was noteworthy is for that very reason. At that point the oneupmanship usually begins and…
Oh, wait, that was facetious, wasn’t it…
Giants scare me the most if they get Cooper or White there are going to be problems, I really hope that none of the top two backs go to the Cowboys but the Redskins don’t scare me at all
Giants OL is a disaster waiting to happen. Unless they shore up two or three spots with quality starters all of the reincarnations of Jerry Rice can only bring them so many lucky wins.
If that happened we would likely (assuming those guys are as advertised) have to concede not having the CB depth to hang with the new guy, ODB, and if healthy, Cruz. And either beef up our pass rush, stat, or pray the Eli declines severely (possible), or hope the Giants ignore their O-line issue (folly).
Redskins – Fowler
Giants – Waynes
Cowboys – Gurley
I think Dan Snider brought in McCloughan to rebuild, and I think they will be selling #5 for possibly 3 second round picks. With that guy in the mix, I expect ‘Skins to have a great draft, and I fear their long-term results from 2 or 3 drafts under McCloughan. My hope is that Dan has neither the patience to wait, not the discipline to keep his mouth shut, and McCloughan gets antsy. The Hardyboys need defensive help, and the Giants do too. I could see Giants getting Shelton or Ray, and I cannot offer a guess on Dallas. They aren’t bidding on AP apparently, and I’d be shocked if they don’t target RB, but first or second round?
Good stuff on the skins. I can’t put my finger on them, but a return to competence would be unpleasant in my eyes.
Skins are trading back and either grabbing an OL or replacing Orakpo..
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giants should go OL, DE or WR
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Dallas wants Melvin Gordon, so I want the Eagles to let the Ravens trade up for Gordon keep him out of dallas, we move back
I’m not yet decided how much I fear the Cowboys taking a RB in the first round. Behind that line I feel like they can find a middle late round who runs hard and physical and just goes where he’s told for minimal drop off from one of the top shelf guys who can maybe generate some opportunities on their own. Either way in terms of us vs them, the games will be decided by Bennie, Fletcher, and Ced imo. Now if they somehow get their hands on a stud defender (particularly in the trenches), i think that scares me more. I just don’t know that such a guy would be in play at 27, while an elite RB likely will be.
Was: Dupree/Fowler
Giants: Scherff
Cowboys: Kevin Johnson/Byron Jones
Dear Bucs
Please draft Mariota.
Thank you
GE
The GermanEagle has landed
It will be pure joy to see draft chaos should MM go No.1.
Just what the Evil genius wants…..to pick MM at No.1.
😉
How much (cohones) would it cost?
Both and the noble member. I see this trade only at 25% chance with that organ donation.
So he needs to throw his Cox in there! I see what you did there. Well played, sir.
Thank you, I thought you’d see it. 🙂
I hope I won’t! 😉
If one defensive player unexpectedly drops to (let’s say) No. 15, and the Eagles could spend a 3rd to move up and get him, Kelly would want this player to be:
[ . . . . fill in the blank . . . . ]
___________
How ’bout that Dante Fowler?
Is there another defensive player in this draft who offers as big an impact in a passing league as Fowler?
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T-Law / Belichick . . . where do you guys come on this?
I think Fowler goes 2 to Tennessee after the Bucs take Mariota.
So do I.
Why would TN pass on Fowler, even if Mariota’s still on the board (unless they see MM as Luck-ish)?
I just think that Tennessee needs a executioner level OLB to run LeBeau’s system properly. And I don’t see what Wis does as a fit with Mariota.
Absolutely agree with that.
Seeing Fowler’s workout at the Combine — the position drills — he jumped off the screen.
I’ve not watched any film, so maybe he’s Mamula.
But he looks like a classic day-1 impact player.
They paid Orakpo and Dunlap..I’d bet they go with Leonard up the middle
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If the Jags don’t take Fowler, the Falcons will trade up to 5 with the skins go get Fowler
don’t discount owner putting foot down and demanding Mariota. Owners can’t help themselves with top 5 picks esp when a potential franchise QB is involved. Hell Lurie even went with eagles brass to Geno Smith’s workout at West Virginia couple years back. Seems clear Wis wants nothing to do with MM since he doesn’t want his QBs scrambling and he is prob getting fired if he goes 4-12 next year.
That certainly makes sense, but since Bud Adams died they’ve lacked that type of person.
And remember how forcing a QB worked for them with Vince Young over what the coach wanted?
“And remember how forcing a QB worked for them with Vince Young over what the coach wanted?”
Organizations don’t seem to have good institutional memory for those kinds of things.
Agree MMike. Tenn gets Fowler. Eagles get MM at #4. But it’s still a 50/50 probability.
It’s wild to me that (basically) nobody is talking about OAK as the pivot point assuming TEN passes.
That’s a match made in football heaven. OAK has their QBOTF, they need TALENT.
Eagles would happily give up #20, #52, 2016 1st, Kendricks, Curry and Boykin to move up and get MM.
OAK has a ton of cap space, so $ isn’t an issue. Just hope Fletcher isn’t part of the deal.
Please don’t trade curry. I value him more than kendricks
OAK also has a hard time bringing in quality free agents, so they may be more agreeable to trading for players with a year left and hoping to resign them later.
I agree. I think TENN is doing a terrible job of trying to convince everyone they’re going to take MM. They’re not. They could use a lot of help, just like Oakland as you mentioned, and a pack of players could do more good for them than draft picks. I think they ask for too much, Chip stays his hand, then deals directly with Oakland, who would be more than happy to take on a couple of firsts and some players.
My guess is this gets done with OAK, we keep Bradford, and we keep Cox. We’ll lose some players, and it will hurt with picks, but we’ll get our guy. Depending on which players, I also expect a player in conjunction with our 2nd and a 4th (and maybe a later pick next year) to move back into the 1st round for someone like B jones. I think the value is all jammed up between mid-1st and the 2nd, and that a deal like that would be doable.
OD…..what is your “GUT” feeling on where MM ends up? Tomorrow cannot come fast enough, but I’m trying to not set myself up for disappointment if we don’t land him. Sigh.
My gut says Oakland but I just ate pizza. Really, from what I’ve heard, the Titans are asking for the moon and all the planets. I hope Chip holds tight as I see their talk the last few days as a smokescreen. They need a pass rusher.
This whole MM deal is coming down to a last second phone call unless the Bucs pick MM, which I highly doubt.
If Titans pass on MM, good bet The Jags will be down to do business at more reasonable price. they allegedly want Gurley or Melvin Gordon but are picking too high, it’s the one team that wojldnt mind trading so far back because if Gurley is gone they can still get Melvin at 20, they won’t have to reach and also get a few reasonable picks off us…
“…assuming they are a rumored sleeper…”
So, they are not likely or expected, they are a sleeper. But they aren’t even a confirmed sleeper, there are rumors they are a sleeper. Moreover, they aren’t even definitely rumored to be a sleeper. You are assuming that they are rumored to be a sleeper?
How does that differ from, “I am completely making this up…”?
I think if Dupree can further develop his speed rush, he will be impossible to block but there is obviously more projection with Dupree.
How ’bout right now, Doctor?
I don’t think there is one!
Vic. Beasley.
Can’t see fowler getting past 5
U r right, if he gets to 5 the Falcons will trade up I assume
Or the Redskins just take him at 5
Think that GM wants the picks..but if he can’t move back I assume it would be fowler
MS4
If one defensive player unexpectedly drops and the Eagles spend a 3rd to get him, Kelly would want this player to be:
Good.
Bud Dupree. Better first step. Better in coverage.
2 more days boys. I can not wait!
I know what everything points to, I know everything that has been said, but can the Bucs really go thru with Jameis? He isn’t even THAT good that you turn a blind eye to all the sociopathic tendencies… I understand if he was Andrew friggin luck how you gamble on character but this dude is a suped up Jay Cutler, with Rothlisberger/Vince young off the field, the twist of Rothlisberger is the scumbag predator and the Vince young is the “Uncoachable ego where you can’t tell him anything…. How can Tampa go through with this?
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Is the draft going to immediately get dumped on its head?
good points, it is overlooked that Winston just isn’t really all that great
what does that say about everyone else?
they aren’t all that great either.
I mean he is no Sam Bradford.
but you have to pull the trigger on a qb at pick 1 don’t you?
gotta do something.
18 INTs in a college season. Regressed from last year
Bucs interviewed over 75 people on Winston. Spent a ton of resources to get all the facts. I guess they missed his interception moments on film – i.e. blind panic when Winston felt pressure.
I personally worry about the Bucs doing a 180 and picking MM.
I don’t understand why curry can’t be our predator? Graham can’t drop very well and he’s shorter. Curry came into the league at 266 and only got up to 280 two seasons ago. If you make him the predator behind graham and split there snaps he should be able to drop down 265 270 range and stay fresh and relentless. Especially on 3rd down I’d rather have a line of graham cox Logan curry then graham cox curry barwin
Curry can be a top 5 sack artist in this league. Dude is probably our 5th best player on the whole team behind cox Murray Peters Mathis kelce
I think he is going to be on the field regardless on 3rd downs, in some capacity or other.
That has been a question alot of us have asked over the past two years. Even under Reid alot of people felt as though Curry should have been in at DE more, but Washburn was overly obsessed with his boy (can’t think of name) and refused to play Curry. Curry seemed as a perfect fit for the wide 9.
From the outside looking in you think Curry could be better at the predator role then Cole and maybe even BG. There are only three guesses why I don’t think they try him at OLB. Your guess is as good as mine.
Coaches see him more then we do and he just isn’t as good as we would assume playing in more space.
He really doesn’t want to play standing up.
This is the one that I think is probably it. He doesn’t seem to be a good run defender. By having him in there as the starter opposing offenses would just try to keep running at him. His game is quickness and speed, not power, shedding a blocker and standing his ground.
By having him in there you may increase your pass rush a little, but you may weaken your run D significantly.
Interesting theory. I could see him as a liability in run defense as a 3-4 de. I’m not sure about olb though. He’s 15 pounds heavier than graham although I know graham is one strong son of a bitch. I think he could set the edge pretty well. Certainly better than he can two gap, which is what is keeping him on the bench. I mean if run d was his issue why put him at 3-4 de which is mainly about run blocking. Just make him a 3rd down edge rusher. How was curry at setting the edge in college?
Furthermore if you have him behind graham that gives you two quality players to split snaps and keep both fresh. They were both crazy productive per snap last year with limited snaps. I imagine combined they would be more succesfull splitting snaps 50-50 than either getting 70/30.
It could also be a money thing. Edge rushers are a premium position while 3-4 de is undervalued.
Weight while being an important factor is not the biggest thing for stopping the run. Engaging and shedding blockers and anchoring itself using the weight goes along with it. Also technique. Some players are just better at in then others. Cole was one of the best at it, and he really wasn’t the biggest dude.
When he plays 3-4 DE it’s really only on known passing downs that way he doesn’t have to try and stop the run. That’s all he really comes in on period.
Setting the edge at the college level is easier no matter if you are an OLB or DE, purely because your going against lesser talent and generally slower smaller men with less refined technique then NFL OL. He was a second round pick, so I’m sure it wasn’t his thing, but he was probably good at it to say the least at the collegiate level. Again though, the NFL is a whole different animal. You see some of the best college players fail annually at the pro level.
I understand what you are saying about him playing behind Graham. However think about this. If he is playing DE on passing downs that means you can have your 4 best rushers on the field at one time. BG, Curry, Barwin, and Cox. You put him at OLB behind BG then you will only have BG, Barwin, and Cox on the field on passing downs. Or Curry, Barwin and Cox. On known passing situations I would rather have my four best rushers on the field at once instead of 3.
Jason Babin was the guy you’re thinking of.
Yes, thank you. Had a complete brain fart. I knew the name when I was thinking what to say, but by the time I had to type the name it completely left my brain. Hate it when that happens. Very aggravating.
http://mockdraftable.com/player/66/
Watkins at 200lbs thinking of playing safety. Camp battle bewteen Watkins and Wolff?
my money is on the wolffman
Cool. I guess alot of us have been guessing that this may happen for awhile now, but it never was said by the FO or Watkins himself. Nice to finally hear it. Can anyone with any knowledge explain how you think he will do there.
He spent lots of time at safety in college and he can cover the slot, I think he’d be a great mirror to Jenkins. I liked Wolff would like to see him make it work. Be nice if we had a rotation.
I like Wolff alot too. I’ve been very high on him. Very athletic and aggressive. Doesn’t mind to tackle and wants to really hit somebody. On the flip side Watkins is definitely better in coverage then him. Especially man on man.
Think people have to be crazy to think that we can go up 18 draft spots up to #2, trading players like Curry and Kendricks who are on contract years without them agreeing to an extension beforehand.. As if they will risk losing half the compensation we give them at the end of the year. The most fanboy notion I ever heard, talk about over rating your own players that you think they are so good a team will take them as compensation without getting them to commit to you? lol really? Every player they agree to take is a pick less they get back in return, talk about the ultimate fanboy fantasy… Why would anyone value Kendricks when they can make him a big offer in free agency next year if they want? Same with curry, same with Boykin
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Get real…. U aren’t gettung Marriota unless you can get the two first round picks from the Browns to pair with #20 and our 1st rounder next year, giving a team 3 first rounders this year and 1 next year… That’s the only way we can get MM
Does Miami have anything to gain by waiving Jordan? If they wanted to trade him for a conditional pick, now no one will ever trade for him, will they just cut him? Or does is make sense for them to just hold on to him?
he can sit, they don’t have to pay him i don’t even know if the year counts. I think you gotta put the DJ dream to rest. 3 suspensions in 2 years? Looking like Josh Gordon.
Except Gordon was dominant. Jordan is a bust.
I want to take a cheap last chance flier on Blackmon but chip would never
Another recent young player that had so much talent but just threw out it. Blackmon ranks in between Gordon and Jordan. Didn’t dominate like Gordon, but didn’t on the field bust like Jordan. I forgot about him. Is he still on JAX?
WR’s are becoming dime a dozen IMO.
Yea. WRs are getting bigger, stronger, and faster every year. If I were a big and fast guy I would start trying to be a CB since they’ll be much more in demand.
You hold on to him because his suspension essentially voids his salary for the year without accelerating any dead money issues for another year.
Quick I heard Marriota is being investigated for being a serial sex abuser of dogs and they are trying to keep it quiet til after the draft.. Every fo their part I. Society, go on Twitter and pass it along…
Has anyone ever told you that you`re an EFFing idiot?!
Everyone is such a meanie on here lol
Yea, they have.
Lol be careful, someone might think it’s the truth.
OMG Gruden is friggin awesome. I hate him but he is a riot on this QB camp episode with Mel kiper. He is tearing kiper a new one, just basically called trae wayanes and Kevin Johnson pussies who won’t tackle and Gruden prefers the 5’10 DJ smith kick from Florida atlantic… Gruden is actually pretty funny on this
CK is gonna take a lesson from Rex Ryan and tell Tennessee to look at our roster and take their pick…. if it were me I would say pick 3, I’ll give you two.
nm
If I was GM for a day….
1. The Mariotta Scenario
Worlds best kept secret, I use my magic wand to try and trade up for Mariotta. I call the greedy weasel Titans bluff who although screaming for a king’s ransom trade, will end up staying put and picking Leonard Williams and help sure up their abysmal run defense. Twitching my fingers until 8:30pm, I wait till pick 4 to trade with the Raiders who were salivating at filling a need with Williams slipping into their lap at 4 and best player in the draft but he is packing his bags for Titan land! Here I come, the Raiders savior with an even better consolation prize in Cox, pick 20 and 2016 First….. (if we have too (which we probably will), one other player/later round draft pick). It pains me to see Cox go but I get my guy, Eagles in pandemonium, SB here we come
If the Bucs/Titans take all the fun out of this draft and take Mariotta or the stupid Browns trade up and draft a QB for the 3rd time in 4 years, I use my witchcraft to doom them for centuries. HOWEVER, by pick 20 and 2-3 hours later I have wiped away the tears had an epiphany and realized there is more than 1 player in this draft:-
2. More Realistic scenario:
Trade back round 1 (pick up extra third/fourth depending how far we go back) and draft UConn CB/S Byron Jones/Kevin Johnson: Jones, the athletic marvel can actually play ball too and having a Bryon tandem as CB in Philly land to stop ODB, Desean’s and Dez’s of the NFC East is critical – there is a risk as many CB needy teams in the 21-28 range but I take my chances. Those two are my first preference but Other R1 options (in order of positional preference) OG/T: Collins, Fisher, Cam Irving, Clemmings WR: Perriman, Agholer, Strong.
If Bud Dupree falls in the first which I don’t think he will, you take him @ 20. Shattered to see Dion out for a year, he is like a son to me and I was going to swap him on draft day for a conditional 6th , we could have bunked together at my house and I would have turned him into a 2016 pro bowler
Round 2 (trade up) draft Utah S Q Rollins and the Eagles have a young secondary that will be there for years to come. Or draft one of the above guys that slip into R2 mentioned above and still on the board. Also add in players like Devin Smith/Dorsett/Funchess/Eric Rowe
Round 3: Stay put and draft Hobart OL Ali Marpet if the sneaky Giants draft
Scherff in R1 and therefore falls past them in the 3rd….. Grasu another option because I have to pick an Oregon player at some point or go Georgia WR Conley…. but by this stage, who knows how it will play out!
Hahaha…. BUT I have you all fooled, this is all a smokescreen and I am going to stack an already over stacked back field and pick Tod Gurley, then give the finger to the Cowboys who in desperation swap Dez for Gurley and then we laugh at the Cowboys as Dez and Murray shed the Cowgirls for years to come.
** Disclaimer: I dont have an in depth of the players etc. Most of the above has been based on the many comments and feedback provided by all of you leading up to this draft.
FWIW, a number of us are taking Friday off in Sydney.
There is a possibility of an Eagles – Jets – Titans trade. Just feelers this week but you never know. If the Titans get a #6 in the deal, then maybe they are not so greedy. We can help the Jets and minimize our pain with the Titans. Odds – maybe 40%?
But the Jets have to get more from the Eagles than a straight trade with the Titans. Let’s look at this tomorrow.
they’ll probably try to shore up the abysmal run defense too.
That #1 scenario had me on the floor laughing. Great post…
I hope we trade for Dion Jordan
I hope we trade for Earlacherzzz!
Maclyn for Boldynnn!!
hope we trade shady for demarco murray
Questions for anyone to answer.
Would the Eagles spend a 1st rounder on a WR? I know they are high on both Huff and Pope, so you would be spending a 1st on a position that you don’t feel is as lacking as some other areas?
Same with DB. They went out and got Thurmond and may feel somewhat comfortable with what they have going into camp that they might not need to spend a 1st rounder on the secondary.
For me that leaves two positions that they feel they definitely need to upgrade and or get more depth: QB and OL.
Sam Bradford is coming back, but do they want to groom someone for the future (read: Hundley) if they think that Bradford may either a) get reinjured, b) not work out, or c) all of the above. They brought in Tebow, and have put Barkley on the trade block earlier this offseason. Sanchez is what he is, a good backup. So do they feel this is a need to address early (shout out to D3FB for his Hundley article and making me think this over).
Or OL. Peters and Mathis are 33, Barbre is 30, Gardner is 29. I don’t know how they feel about Barbre and Gardner long-term, but at some point you’ll need a replacement T, G, and some more depth. Could they conceivably spend two of the 1st three or four picks on the OL?
This will go for WR/OL/CB. If the guy they want is there then there’s no question that they’ll draft the guy. Matthews and Huff can be productive but they’re not very exceptional talent. Banking on Thurmond is like banking on Carroll last year. There are reasons why they were let go from CB needy teams.
I really don’t think Tebow is in the mix for game time. He’s here as a practice player.
OL/WR/CB are our biggest needs (you’re not going to get a good year 1 S from this draft) but none are so threadbare that if you don’t get somebody in the top 100 the season is screwed.
I’m inclined to go with the “think players not positions”.
Granted I honestly can’t say I have any idea on how this front office values those players.
Personally
@20
Clemmings
Jones
Strong
Johnson
Perriman
Hundley
Fisher
@52
Sambraillo
Ogbuehi
Agholor
Rowe
Rollins
Carl Davis
Stephone Anthony
@84
Morse
Ameer
Geathers
Kikaha
Mckinney
Kenny Bell
Doran Grant
Steven Nelson
I pray to the stars we can come away with Geathers AND Bell. I just see something special in those players.
Co-sign, i would be ECSTATIC if we get at least one of the following, more than one and we can go ahead and cancel christmas. Fisher, clemmings, Hundley, rollins, jones, agholor, bell, anthony (only if kendricks is traded..which will be a bittersweet feeling) nelson, abdullah, david johnson, tevin coleman.
Yes I think a WR will be taken relatively high, so if there was a good one in the first round, they could jump (depending on other choices). Yes they are high on Pope and Huff, but a lot of that is still just potential, and more to the point they have little else at the position. If they had signed Maclin long-term it would be different but they need more good options. You do play with 3 and 4 WR sets sometimes and you want good players there. Right now that is Cooper and Miles Austin, neither of whom are likely to be on the team in 2016.
Similar with DB. We did sign some one-year options, so a draftee may not start right away, but it’s a position where we need some good young talent desperately. If that is the best player, pick him, even if he’s not a 2015 starter. It doesn’t sound like there is a safety that will be worth it in the 1st though.
OL is another obvious place to draft, agreed. We badly need some young talent there as well. If there is an OL and CB they value the same, I’d guess we go OL. WR… less sure. We could go that way, the need is big enough. I suspect we’ll take two OL in this draft at least.
QB, unless it’s Mariota somehow, I don’t think we take in the first. They are probably set for this year other than 3rd QB. I think they’d like a young QB to groom — if Hundley or Petty are still there in say the 3rd, they may jump at that point, or maybe they have a later-round target. In that case, Barkley and Tebow are gone I think. We may have to reshuffle QB again in a year but I don’t think we should spend a 1st rounder on one of the secondary options.
But I think WR/CB/OL are the places where a pick could make some immediate impact, and are especially needy in the years after 2015 (one of the big reasons you draft). So I could easily see any of those. If all three are there, I may lean OL, but WR may be a more immediate need as well.
My final mock using simulator earlier tonight. Kind of thinking along those lines though we disagree on WR. Think trading down to 30s and getting high 3rd is more realistic but I couldn’t get simulator to do realistic trade like that. This is what I feel is close grade wise but SO MANY players close in grade. I know Mayock loves Randall and Smith is all over the place. The opinions seem very mixed on Smith and Randall.
Bell is a reach but he’s a good red zone runner as QB. I probably could have taken a LB but it took a long time to do the final one. I ran out of steam.
Round 1 Pick 28 (DEN): Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 20: Donovan Smith, OT, Penn State (B)
Round 2 Pick 27 (DEN): Damarious Randall, FS, Arizona State (A)
Round 3 Pick 20: Mitch Morse, OT/OG, Missouri (C)
Round 4 Pick 14: Alex Carter, CB, Stanford (A-)
Round 5 Pick 9: Chaz Green, OT, Florida (B)
Round 5 Pick 20: Blake Bell, TE, Oklahoma (B-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Bryan Bennett, QB, Southeastern Louisiana (D)
Round 7 Pick 20: Rannell Hall, WR, UCF (C)
So far we have only seen chip kelly Eagles spend 1st round picks on one of the 3 premier positions: QB, OT and OLB…..
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We know chip Kelly like all coaches value the trenches and we lack depth on the line so I would give the best odds of selecting OL in round 1
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I have to see chip spemd a round 1 pick on positions like DB and WR before I can believe it,,
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Jameis Winston and William Kennedy Smith on the label?
Round 1 Pick 20: T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh (B)
Round 2 Pick 20: Nelson Agholor, WR, Southern California (A)
Round 3 Pick 20: Ty Sambrailo, OT, Colorado State (B+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 9: Jesse James, TE, Penn State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 20: Leterrius Walton, DT, Central Michigan (B+)
Round 6 Pick 20: Donald Celiscar, CB, Western Michigan (C+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Mario Alford, WR, West Virginia (A-)
Browns call you and offer pick #19 and Josh Gordon for Bradford. Do you pull the trigger?
for what? Bradford?
I have no interest unless i know i am getting a QB you feel comfortable starting in 2015.
Eagles are a better team than people think they will be. People fail to project improvement from our young players. Watkins and Wolff have the potential to be good safeties if they can step up, our front 7 is super talented and young – they will improve even more this year. We have long term needs at several positions but we can compete this year.
I don’t know if Bradford will ever reach his potential – i have significant questions about his ability to make plays when the game is on the line, that he is too conservative in my opinion – But if he does he has all the tools to be a top 5 QB, and i am not getting rid of that unless i am getting a starting QB is am 100% sure on.
Well said. People see a young player play, and they think the player they say is the best it will ever get or a kid…but in reality, young, hard working well coached kids can take some giant strides from one year to the next
I thought I edited in Bradford.
You cannot just simply project players to have continuous upward progress. Honestly I don’t see why people are infatuated with Bradford. Even when Bradford did play he was top 15 at best. Sure our system makes it easier on QBs but Bradford is expensive damaged goods. You’re not going to undo QB habits in a year and since we only have him for a year until further notice then I would listen to every trade offer possible
No. Josh Gordon can’t stay on the field
Bradford can’t stay on the field too.
Not even close to the same thing. Gordon can’t stay on the field because he can’t stop doing drugs. Bradford has been hurt through no fault of his own.
QB is the most important position in football. Bradford had a crap Oline and crappy cast to support him in St Louis. He had his best year with Shurmur, who is here as well.
You trade Bradford, who is our QB? Sanchez? He isn’t someone I want starting. Tebow? Please. 19 and 20 isn’t enough to go get Mariota, so what is your plan at QB? So, no, I’m not doing it.
I’m sorry but no playtime is no playtime. You can’t try to skew facts to try to justify the end result.
Josh Gordon is suspended for 2015. He is not playing a down. I am not trading for a suspended player who has multiple violations of the substance abuse policy and has now twice been suspended for a year.
Multiple injuries
Hasn’t played since 10/20/13
You put more faith in that guy who still hasn’t signed a new deal yet? I don’t trust Gordon more than Bradford’s shredded wheat knees but that’s just ridiculous to think that Gordon has no value when he put up monster numbers on a horrible Browns team.
I have yet to see a Chip Kelly’s eagle team spent a top pick on any position besides the 3 most valued: QB, OT and edge rusher..
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We know he values some positions over others and there isn’t a coach in the history of the game that doesn’t put extreme importance on the trench warefare… With our OL getting older and needing depth, my money is on chip taking a guard who can eventually move to RT with his first pick.
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I would love to get a great WR prospect or Byron Jones, but I will need to see chip spend a first pick in a position besides QB, OT and OLB/DE to believe it…