Kiko Update
Posted: May 14th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 224 Comments »It seems like ages ago that the Eagles traded for ILB Kiko Alonso. He’s one of the players I’m most excited to see this summer. Alonso is still rehabbing from a torn ACL, but he should be good to go by the time the regular season gets here. Alonso tore his ACL last spring so he’ll have a full calendar year of recovery time.
Dave Spadaro wrote a piece on Alonso. He had some good quotes from Rick Minter in there.
He’s going to be a big help for us,” said inside linebackers coach Rick Minter in a post-trade Chalk Talk event with corporate partners at the NovaCare Complex. “He does all the things that we want our linebackers to do. He’s big, he’s tall and he moves side to side and attacks the football. He’s really the prototype of what we’re looking for inside.
“He’s got great height, great range and while he looks skinny when you see him in a uniform, he still weighs 240 pounds. He has great pass-field awareness, is excellent defending the pass and has great hands. He had four interceptions as a rookie, right off the bat. He has a great base, bends real well. He really does it all.
“This is the total player athletically. He can play ‘MIKE’ linebacker for us where we play in the ‘C’ gap and he can play where we now play Mychal Kendricks. I really think Kiko can swing to either inside position in our defense. He’s very athletic, very fast and can cover people. He’s smart, he’s aware, he runs his feet on contact. I’m obviously really excited to have him.”
I love the fact that Alonso is a 3-down LB and a playmaker.
Watch his college and NFL highlights and you see really good hands. He catches the ball better than some receivers.
Chip Kelly loves takeaways. He’s got to covet a LB that can make a lot of plays in the passing game. Alonso had 4 INTs in his final college season and 4 in his rookie season in the NFL. That’s not just luck. That shows you that he does a good job of playing the passing lanes and that he catches the ball when it comes his way.
Some people have asked about Alonso playing OLB. He isn’t going to ever be a full-time OLB in the 3-4. You need players that are in the 255 to 270 pound range. They need to be stout run defenders and good pass rushers. Alonso is an effective blitzer, but that’s different from being a primary pass rusher.
I do think he’s big enough and talented enough to play some snaps at OLB. After all, Casey Matthews was the backup SLB in 2013. Alonso is bigger and worlds better than him.
Here is a funny ESPN piece on The Legend of Kiko Alonso.
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Soy sauce…Kikkoman!!
Love having Kiko on the team, can’t wait for his energy to rile up our defense!
Can Soy Sauce or Kikkoman be his nickname? That’d be great.
“Active” would be even better
50 is two times the value of 25.
And 95 is almost twice the value of 50…
When KIko is out there there is really two of them…
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Which is greater than 100.
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That’s what the cops tell me when they’re writing me speeding citations
By this logic, Connor Barwin in most valuable player on the team and noone will ever be as valuable as Jerome Brown.
Except for the part where he isn’t cleared to play NFL football yet, you’re right.
Didn’t know much about him before we got him, but I hope he’s as good as advertised…
Hoping it’s Kendricks and Alonso lining up next to each other but we’ll see. Chip loves ‘Meco and the rookie wasn’t drafted to ride the pine I’m sure he’ll be supplanting Kendricks as soon as he’s ready.
Any way you slice it we’re significantly deeper and probably more talented at ILB than we were last year and I like it.
It’s ALMOST like adding Luke Keachly to the defense… He is almost THAT good!!
The thing is… time will tell… he could be better.
I thought Kiko was better in their rookie years (but Nate Allen was also better than Earl Thomas in his rookie year, so who knows)
In the 4 games he played.
“he can play where we now play Mychal Kendricks.” certainly sounds like this is the thinking already. the use of “now” here is pretty telling
Kiko has a RAGE within that drives his play. He may speak softly but he hits like a freight train. At Oregon he had problems with drinking, fighting, and mayhem. Now he brings mayhem to the field, since he no longer drinks.
I love the guy. And you will too. He’s a killer shark in every sense. A scared QB is blood in the water. And he shows no mercy.
Good because football is a violent game and I hate when I watch pansies out there prancing around not wanting to get dirty like #23 & #24. I want the anger, I want the rage, I want the DESTRUCTION!!!!!! *clears throat* Sorry I got carried away.
Already ordered the white Kiko Alonso #50 Jersey.. What an amazing young talent to add to what alrwady was a scary front 7. Philly will love him!!
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He is perfect because he can play Mecos role and line up next to Kendricks, but if we can’t work out an extension with Kendricks, he can slide over and replace Mykal while Jordan Hicks steps into the Demeco/Kiko role of this year..
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Can’t believe we got this kid, Byron Maxwell, Thurmond, Rowe and Shep to what was a beastly young front 7…
If Kiko puts a kill shot on Eli I’m going to have to buy myself a Kiko jersey.
I remember the last time we had a killer shark at LB we traded for… (Sims, Ernie)
I was going to say the same thing. I cringed when I OD referred to him as a shark. Hopefully this works out a little better that our last “shark”.
deja vu .. we had this chat months ago right . ..
Yea I hate the Offseason…. lasts way too long. I would take a 4 week flag football season with players that have less than3 years experience… just sayin
lets have a race .. every time you hear people in a baseball conversation .. ask them a football question, any football question >> and watch IMMMEDIATELY how the entire baseball discussion gets dropped and everyone talking football !! ha,, lets race, first one to 50 !!
(first ill bet you ask ‘tome brady this/that’ ..then lighter question like .. “eagles miss that ray sist fool Shady?’ .. then ask less and less ..like “I think we go 2-1 in preseason’ .. its like you dumb your football questions down more & more but still they win over baseball !!!
ha! peace out
Apart from his athleticism and focus, I love the guy’s old-school demeanor. He doesn’t waste an ounce of energy on the field.
Such a monster… Dude had 22 tackles in a game,,, I can’t wait to play against Dallas Run game, Set the tone early and show everyone how bad ass our front 7 is! Kiko and Kendricks flying around behind Cox is straight Nasty!!
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I would hate to have to line up in front of Cox this year! Getting giddy thinking about what our defense will do to McFadden and Randle, while Murray runs harder then he has ever run… Slimey bastards ran himo to ground oncontract year to justify not paying him…bet Murray runs possessed against the Cowboys!
Yeah philly will fall in love with him quickly.. Putting him next to Barwin and kendrick is bad ass
Ernie Sims 2.0 😉
Violent and fragile are a poor combination.
Amazing young player. What an under rated addition. If I had to name a small list of LBs that can Rival Luke Keachly, Kiko shoots right to the top of the list. he is THAT good. Philadelphia is going to love this kid. So excited anout this defense…
And for those that do not know, Kiko was the son of King Kong.
And his mother was chuck Norris”s mom… Which makes Chuck Morris and Kiko half brothers
How would you rank the Run games in the NFC east?
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This is tricky because the best run blocking line has the worst running backs. I think it’s fair to say that assuming every team is at full strength, I think it’s fair to say the Eagles are the best combo of run blocking OL and stanle of Running backs, we also have the most RB depth… dallas has top OL, but the worst RB. Skins have solid OL and decent RB (Alfred Morris).. Giants probably have the worst OL and tied with Dallas for worst RB.. I guess the run games should rank
1) Eagles
2) Cowboys
3) Skins
4) Giants.
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Tho I wonder if the skins will pass the Cowboys. Alfred Morris is a much better RB then the cowboy slop..
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I think it’s a fare statement to say on paper we are the best combo of quality run blocking OL and running back talent.
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if this OL stays healthy for 16 games, who puts up more rushing yards? This years eagle team or shady and the 2013
Eagle team?
I rank the Eagles as #1 for everything in the NFC East!
Oh and i hate the narrative well you have to give it to the cowboys since they won it last year. Rubbish – every NFL season is different since there is so much roster and coaching turn over. Personally i think the Cowgirls had everything go their way – their defence was made up with tissue paper and balsa wood, and they had no depth on offence at all. The survived with fantastic offensive play with 0 injuries all season and smoke and mirrors on defence.
This will not continue for a second year – they will loose players on offence to injury and will not have history making 3rd down conversion numbers again. Defensively they lost a whole group of players and replaced them with rookies they are going to force to start – which never works out well year 1.
That’s a tad revisionist. Romo’s back issues were real, and the turkey day massacre was, in part, facilitated by Romo’s need to sack himself rather than take a hit. The Eagles should have won the rematch game, but Romo outplayed Sanchize. I agree that a lot went right for the 2014 Hardyboys,but you can say the same for the 2013 Eagles.
Couldn’t have said it better myself….Demarco was their “smoke and Mirrors”.. Lol now the have McFadden. A cheap party trick…
time to be exposed!
Michael Irvin is on board.
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/05/14/irvin-murray-makes-eagles-team-to-beat-in-nfc-east/#i8SXE0Ytmo1BoqRY.99
Found out the other day that his brother plays for one of the Phillies minor league affiliate teams.. Better watch out for the brothers Alonso
Plays for Reading but tore a knee ligament when a base runner slid into him. Out for the season
That is a sad irony that both them were are recovering from torn knee ligaments together.
Less sad, but still oddly relevant, my son was part of a group that sang God Bless America at the Reading Phillies (now named the Fightin’ Phils, but I refuse to call them that) game last night.
That must be a cool experience for your son!
What’s a worse fate, torn ligament or playing in the Phillies minor league system?
If you’re a Phillie, I guess there’s always the possibility of getting traded to a winning team for a 36 year old outfielder and a few AAAA ball duds.
Dammit! Family history!!
The Brothers Alonso is a lesser-known Dostoyevsky work…
The see ball, get ball prototype.
“See the ball. Be the ball. “
Be the ball you want to see in this world.
I’m oblong enough, I’m deflated enough, and doggone it, people catch me.
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That offensive line is atrocious.
RIP BB King
Poor Lucille.
I’ve been a blues fan for probably the last six or seven years, and B.B. King was absolutely one of the greatest. I was fortunate to have seen him play with Buddy Guy while I lived in Nashville four years ago. You could tell he had gotten old, he would play a song and then have the band takeover for awhile while he sat back, but he still put on a fantastic show. It’s a shame there are so few blues musicians like B.B. King anymore, but he was definitely one of the greats.
Man, he lasted a long time, though. So much personality and tastefulness in his playing, and warmth and charisma in his vocals. Well, charisma everywhere.
the money in sports is crazy… why isn’t Tommy with these clowns that make stupid money for being stupid? Tommy is a level or more above these people.yet hese dumb asses get the air time.
I just hope the ILB situation doesn’t end with Kendricks leaving quietly as a free agent. Go get a 2nd rounder for Kendricks before the trade deadline or sign the guy to play here long term opposite Kiko, but please don’t go the “leaves for nothing and/or a late round compensatory pick” route.
I kind of have the feeling that they couldn’t get a 2nd for Kendricks, or maybe a team gets desperate in camp if they lose one of their ILBs.
Interesting discussion about some question marks at WR (without taking on a “this group sucks” tone) by David Murphy.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20150515_Eagles_might_be_too_thin_at_wide_receiver.html
I tend to trust the fact that, if the blocking holds up, guys will get open in this system.
The Eagles completed 310 and 356 passes under Chip in 2013 and 2014. So looking at appx 320 completions (20 per game) as the mark; who could be catching those passes?
I’d love to see:
Ertz w/ 80 (5 / game)
Matthews w/ 64 (4 / game)
Huff w/ 48 (3 / game)
Agholor w 48 (3/ game)
Cooper w/ 32 (2/ game)
Celek w 32 (2/game)
That gets me to 19 / game w/o Miles Austin or any of the RBs. To add in the production I’d like to see from those spots I’m going to have to push the total to 27 or so completions per game. I don’t see us passing that much.
It’ll be interesting to see where the totals wind up this year for stats on some guys.
Think RB’s will be good for at least 5 per game – they had 70 last year and i cannot see that massively falling off.
Having said that i think the reception number will be at least 350+ Think they are going to want to move the chains better this year, and will be looking for a 50/50 pass balance and if thinks are working well they want 70+ plays a game on average on offence. If we have a 65% completion percentage that puts us on track for a good 350 reception year.
My thinking as well. With the 2nd/3rd & long added with 3 & outs, if they sustain longer drives this year they should be right around that average.
I mean the ideal outcome is we are a LOT better at sustaining drives (or at least getting them started). We have the potential to really grind down teams with pace of play and rack up huge play number differentials. But i felt far to often we struggled to get the first 2 sets of downs completed so we could really get rolling.
When Chip came in i expected 2-4 games a year where just weight of plays would break the other teams defence and outside of a few examples (Raiders 2013, Skins 2013) we have failed to do that really. Will be interesting to see if we can achieve that this year with a more power running game and a new QB.
My thoughts exactly. I get the reasoning behind more plays vs TOP. If you run 30 plays in 10 minutes, it’s going to tax the defense more than if you run 30 plays in 20 minutes.
As long as your defense isn’t on the field for the extra 10 minutes.
TOP is silly – you want to look at the no of plays per game on offence and defence. If we have 80 plays in 25 minutes and the opponent has 65 in 35, we have the advantage and their defence is under more pressure than ours. If we have 60 plays in 20 minutes and they have 80 in 40 mins we are under pressure – not because of TOP – but because they played more downs.
If you have 30 plays in 10 real minutes it puts on more pressure than 30 plays in 20 real minutes. Hence, defense getting off the field matters.
Not disagreeing that TOP can be overrated (and underrated, since it also can reflect ability to run and ball control, important in postseason).
I think you have Ertz way too high and Matthews too low. Also I think Agholor will end up a little higher than that. I would guess about 50-60 receptions for Ertz, 70-80 for Matthews, and 60+ for Agholor.
I found slightly different totals on PE.com. In 2013 it says there were 310 completions, and 384 in 2014. Two things that jump out in those 2 seasons, TO ratio: 2013 +12; 2014 -8. Also, a more accurate passer would suggest that fewer pass attempts would be dialed up. I would love to see the pass become in 2015 the threat that the run was in2013. Then the “pick your poison” expression would really resonate.
A little late, but…
With all of the self esteem problems in the world today, I think it is really insensitive that, with his choice of wives and his choice of footballs, Tom is saying that the American ones are too fat. Even his patsy is too fat.
What!?
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Brady’s deflated balls story is getting old but…
I cannot see why the commish is hearing this appeal himself. Any outcome is bad for him. If he repeals or reduces sentence people are going to view this as a botched job by the league office, and view that this is favourtism towards the Pats and Craft. If he upholds the suspension then he will take the full heat of the Pats/Crafts anger, and people will view this as non independent and public opinion will be wanting this to go to someone outside the league.
If i had been Goodell i would have appointed somebody who was realistically unimpeachable and passed on the can to them
Didn’t he have an independent investigator for the Ray Rice thing, or was that something different? Going to have to see what I can Google, but I thought the last time he hired someone independent, Goodell got ripped by the media.
Goodell should have got fired for the Ray Rice situation. He thought they could ‘control’ the situation for the Ravens and take care of everything happily in house, When the video got out (and it normally does) he was caught with his pants down, and that is not going to remain the case for the rest of his time in charge of the NFL. People will beat him (and the NFL) on a range of issues, from drug usage to deflating balls using that as the basis for it.
My money is Goodeel not getting his term renewed… When his contract is up, I think they arent going to give him a 2nd term and “Go in a different direction”… GOODELL is hardly then Only man they can make the owners a ton when he has a product that is like crack to the American public..
Found it – it was the Rice investigation. Goodell will always be on the bad side of criticism I think.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/09/11/roger-goodell-ray-rice-robert-mueller-independent-invesigation/15454847/
I really conjure up an image of a made man, a Don and his mol, taking on a “brotherhood” of 31other Dons and the consigliere (Goodell). The diva is embarrassing them all, and her man is protecting her. This cannot end well for either one of them.
My wife read me a quote from the Internet yesterday, I do not know the source:
Tom Brady got suspended 4 games for deflating footballs. If he had deflated them in an elevator by punching them he would only have gotten two games.
Ha! Internet win for 5/14/15
My wife read me a quote from 50 shades of gray…..oh wait, story for another venue…
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again — I live in Pats country and I’m enjoying every moment my once-proud neighbors are pleading for the innocense of their fallen hero.
I think at this point, the drama is mostly charade. Brady has to appeal or it will be apparent he got caught. It will be interesting to see if the players union backs him up considering Troy Vincent’s earlier comments. Godell may want to hadle the appeal himself in order to reinstall himself on the throne of power he sacrificed during those recent bamboolzelments.
once proud? everyone I talk to thinks it just didn’t happen. Or that “everyone does it”.
They’re like those Japanese soldiers that holed up in isolated islands because they couldn’t believe Japan lost WW2.
Just to be clear, Vincent works for the league now, not the union.
Thanks for the clarification, I actually didn’t realize this.
It doesn’t matter. Goodwill has been and will continue to be in a lose/lose situation no matter what he does. As long as he continues to fill the owners coffers with more and more cash, he’ll stay.
Really since the lockout he’s been under constant fire. NFLPA complains about injuries. NFL reacts and makes some rule changes to address said injury concerns, now Goodell is a wimp ruining the game. He can’t win. Might as well stay the course and focus on growing revenue, because that’s all he has left.
If Goodell is the commish, then it is probably safe to assume that he serving his employers adequately. That is all he needs to do. I think conflating his popularity, or lack of it, with the public’s attention/addiction to the NFL is only confusing. Right now, I’d say most of the 31 other owners are probably behind him 200%, and one is pissing into the wind. A few thousand fans may hate him for his position on deflategate, but most probably are not particularly bothered by any of this, I would think. I believe that Goodell showing any leniency on this matter could put him on shaky ground.
Laughable to think that these equipment managers went and did this behind EVERYONEs back out of the bottom of their heart, Brady had no idea LOL
What’s really laughable is the bulshit they wrote as a rebuttal.. They claim the deflator is a term for losing weight and that he had to go to the bathroom because nature called, and that there was no wrong doing,,… Yet they have already suspended the two equipment managers? LOL what did you suspend McNally for if you claim he did NOTHING wrong you dope? What a bunch of crap
are the Pats saying it didn’t happen, or that it did happen but Brady didn’t know, or it did happen but Brady acted alone, or that there isn’t any real proof that it happened (which is a lot different than saying it didn’t happen).
They’re saying that it didn’t happen at all, that the guy who referred to himself as the deflator in text messages was simply referencing his desire to lose weight, that the floor in the bathroom is not level and that he couldn’t deflate the balls on a floor with a slope because they’d roll all over the place and that all the ball boys text about needing a needle to adjust the ball pressure to Brady’s prefered level was just a simple joke and they can prove that as a fact because immediately prior to talking about that the one ball boy asked the other for naked pictures of his girlfriend. I’m not kidding either. The organization just posted a 20,000 word rebuttal on a website with those rebutalls actually listed in there as solid evidence.
Keep it in house and burn any evidence is needed…
Worked for Spygate.
After looking at QB contracts on overthecap.com: If the rookie wage scale was not re-done a few years ago. The Mariota trade would have happened in my opinion….possibly with Tampa Bay.
Bradford had TWICE as much guaranteed money in his contract as a 100% guaranteed contract for Winston/Luck/RGIII/Cam….insane.
“He’s really the prototype of what we’re looking for inside.”
Why, because he’s white? Racism runs deep in the Eagles coaching staff!
I’ll say!
Look at all the white Jerseys we drafted!
http://prod.images.eagles.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/EAGLES/assets/images/imported/PHI/photos/clubimages/2015/05-May/temp800_rookie_camp_draft_class_051015–nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720
Chip has an anti-green bias!
In Chip Kelly’s practices he considers the colored players Offensive.
Well done.
Stephen A Smith has called him a “greenist.”
Chip’s sport science is amazing. Look at how young Brian Westbrook and Trent Cole look in this picture!
lol, brutal, man.
not to mention, 73 Mahilik (or whatever), he used to be black…
Keith Byars looks awesome
Fly, WhEagles, Fly! http://static3.depositphotos.com/1000165/154/i/950/depositphotos_1547583-White-eagle.jpg
Can see why Kelly is excited about a chance to “sports science” Mihalik.
Also looks like they may have used an NBA tape for Shepherd’s height. Need a photo of him next to Boykin.
What an ignorant comment. Not sure I would consider any drafted player to be “cattle” or even camp-fodder. And everyone knows Jerseys are tan-ish not white. Maybe you were thinking of Holsteins which are a pleasant combination of black & white.
I still pinch myself to make sure getting Kiko Wasnt some dream…I can’t wait to see him take the field as an Eagle.. Kiko flying around behind Cox, Logan and the beasts up front is going to be so bad ass…. I’m so giddy about the defense. We Lost NOTHING but Nate, Cary, Bradley, added two corners from the Legion of Boom, an ELITE young LB, and Rowe…. So hype. We are also probabky adding Taylor Hart to the defense..
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And we completely altered the landscape of RB’s in our division. We made the run games in the east weaker by getting Shady out of the division, and then we snatched the one stud RB in the division who can compare to shady away from our Rival…what a Boss move…skins have alfred, Giants have Rashard Jennings, Cowboys have McFadden LOL, and the Eagles have Demarco, Ryan and Sproles..LOL Boss move.
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Didn’t the Giants sign Steven Ridley as well? Also, Rashad Jennings plays consistently well when he can stay healthy.
Wrong NY team. Ridley is a JET
Wrong patriots running back…they signed shane vereen
Thanks
If Rashad Jennings and Vereen stay healthy, they could be behind us as the #2 RBs in our division, problem is they have probably the weakest OL
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we are going to find out, does the running style, one cut, make the line look good as opposed to the shady dance making the line look worse possibly then it was at times last year.
our line could be even better then we think once demarco hits the hole instead of doing a dance back there
I have no clue where everyone got this idea that our line isn’t going to be very good. Assuming our starters are healthy the left side will be top notch as always, even if Tobin/Barbre arent as good as Herremans(which I’m not ready to say) they will line up next to an improved Lane who will be better then ever and Kelce is as good as it gets… Starting OL with Demarco/Mathews and sproles can break the 2013 rushing records we set when shady led the league in rushing.
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I have no idea where people got this idea that our starting OL needed Anything this year, I’m not sure Jake Fisher or whatever rookie OL was automatically going to beat out Tobin or barbre this year… As long as Kelce stays healthy and more then Two starters don’t get hurt, our OL should still be top 10
I’m on board with you. Even though it’s all talk this time of year, I really struggle to understand the amount of negativity coming out of the Philly blogosphere. Living up to the stereotype – I guess we are who we thought we were. Or something like that. 😉
Really looking forward to watching this team get a chance to gel. Has a chance to be something special, more so than in several years.
first time I ever had any respect for Goodell… These donkeys demanded a independent arbitrator to hear appeals, and Goodell told them, NOPE..I’ll be hearing your appeal thank you very much lol
Exercising autocratic power in a conflict of interest inspires your respect? Would you be saying the same things if the Eagles were the ones being punished?
The players’ union gave Goodell the power to handle the appeal of his own decisions. That’s an inherent conflict of interest but the NFLPA agreed to it. They did so so the NFL would concede in another area. They have no right to complain now when the NFL and Goodell exercise their collectively bargained rights.
“The players’ union gave Goodell the power to handle the appeal of his own decisions.”
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Greg —
You’re right in principle. CBA Art. 46.1.A.
But Goodell did *not* make this decision.
He delegated his authority to punish to Vincent.
Under the CBA, the immediate problem is the term “Commissioner” is defined to mean *only* the commissioner — not any designees.
And CBA Art. 46 — under which Brady was sanctioned — does *not* contemplate the commissioner delegating his authority to punish.
In contrast, CBA Art. 46 expressly states the commissioner can delegate hearing the appeal to his designee.
None of this will likely matter before Goodell.
But it could matter to a federal judge.
even if true, can’t Goddell just initiate “new” punishment equal to the one Vincent gave? It sure doesn’t seem fair that Brady and the Pats just get released free and clear.
Great question.
I think the problem with doing that is something called “The Common Law of the Shop” — which are the rules and principles that arise over time between the parties to a CBA.
So if, in the past 40 years or so, an NFL commissioner has — in essence — performed “do-overs” when a CBA violation occurred, then I think the NFL could argue here that Goodell is free to re-impose the same punishment as Vincent.
But I don’t think that’s been the “law of the shop” in the NFL.
In other words, if Goodell did that, he’d be engaged in arbitrary conduct in violation of the CBA’s disciplinary procedure.
By the way, the meaning of the “The Law of the Shop” could be a key issue here — because the phrase also addresses the *types* of discipline for rules violations imposed in the past, as well as procedural practices.
“The Law of the Shop” seems like such a quaint phrase. Any idea of its origin?
Because Vincent wrote the statement of punishment, that does not necessarily mean that Vincent determined the punishment. Goodell could have determined the punishment and he has every right to consult with his employees in doing so. Goodell then delegated to Vincent the announcement and explanation of the punishment.
GR:
The NFL’s own statement contradicts that theory.
In its press release announcing punishments to the Patriots and Brady, the NFL stated:
“Commissioner Goodell authorized the discipline that was imposed by NFL Executive President Troy Vincent, pursuant to the commissioner’s disciplinary authority under the [CBA].”
[Full text here: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000492190/article/nfl-releases-statement-on-patriots-violations%5D
The way I read what the NFL said, Vincent — not Goodell — decided on and imposed the punishment.
And that’s the rub.
It’s a matter of semantics. I’m sure the NFLPA will try to construct a legal argument using your line of reasoning but as matter of practicality Vincent can’t impose any punishment that isn’t authorized by the commissioner. So regardless of the semantics involved, the commissioner ultimately approves and enforces any punishment as required by the CBA. I don’t think there is any reasonable expectation that the commissioner alone determines any punishment without the counsel of his aides and legal staff.
The CBA is crystal clear. Words really do matter.
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Not even sure Troy wrote the statement.. Could have Easily just put his name on it and Let a former player be the one to scold Tom Shady
He should delegate hearing the appeal to the vice president of football operations. Let’s see what Troy Vincent thinks about the commissioner delegating his authority to Troy Vincent. The NFLPA can even call Troy Vincent to testify.
But seriously, I don’t understand why that was such a major item for the NFL in the last CBA. Why not concede, allowing appeals to be heard by a third party(which is more fair anyway) and fight for something else in return? And even with the current CBA in place, I think the better decision here would be to have a third party hear the appeal, from a public relations perspective and to appease Kraft.
Ok..
damn Kiko looks good.
makes me think he can easily chase down RG3 and any qb that tries to escape like russel, or rogers.
Kiko 6’3″, 240lbs, Kendricks 6′, 240lbs… I love Kendricks I think those 2 will flourish, but that being said I see Kendricks playing out of control more often than I would like (much better after rookie season)…. I think if he plays under more control then it’s all good (i think the height thing is overplayed with him, has to do more with his style of play)…plus i think it would only become an issue with TE’s (Graham/Gronk) running vertical routes (post/seam). Plus those elite tight ends would probably end up getting some sort of bracket coverage between the LB’s and DB’s.
Best move of the offseason. Kiko’s going to be a stud in Philly.
I’m with you on this. After him, maybe Bradford…
kiko
bradford
demarco
maxwell
thurmond
Matthews
who’d I miss
If Bradfords injury bad luck days are over, he will be the best move. it will be like the saints trading for Drew Breesif he ends up having a healthy Eagle Career
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I will always love Trotter and Demarco, but Kiko easily has the talent to be the best LB this city has had post Buddy Ryan era…Kiko is the type Philly easily will fall in love with. Kiko might be the most talented defender we have after Fletcher Cox… I dont think this entire city realizes just how good Kiko is…
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I’d take Kiko easily over ANY LB on the seahawks and he is hands down the best LB in the division, I’m shocked we were able to get him, even for shady McCoy
Yea I’m with you on the if Bradford stays healthy that move will look like the best.
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Also agree with you that Kiko “if healthy” is also the most talented LB this team has had in a lonnggg time.
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Only thing I don’t agree with you is taking Kiko easily over any LB on the Hawks. Wagner was a legit defensive MVP candidate last year and is an absolute stud and a top 3 MLB in the league. Now if Kiko returns to his former self then I will definitely be singing a different tune next year.
Wagner is a beast!
Wagz is an monster which is why I used the seahawks as an example. If both Wagz and Kiko reach their full potential, I think I prefer Kiko, but both have talent of top 5 players at their position
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We had a monster front 7 and we added a kid who may be more talented then all our players with the exception of Cox,., THATS a scary thought, Especially when you you improved your secondry as much as we did…
Oh I completely agree brotha. I’ve been very excited about the Kiko acquisition since it happened. I still think about what could of been had we drafted Wagner instead of Kendricks, but oh well I am happy with the defense we have now.
Praying Kendricks stays healthy and plays his way into an extension that they can get out of in 3 years… a rotation of Meco, Mykal and Kiko is bad ass… Figure you get a few more years of Kiko on rookie money and Hicks for 4 years at rookie money.. Mufasa can’t possibly play starting snaps much longer and we lowered his cap hit… If Mykal and Kiko prove to be awesome together, hopefully kendricks can be extended on a contract we can get out of in 3 years, before we have to pay Hicks,, we would be set at ILB for years….. To have these great LBs next to a stud like Barwin is amazing… IF BG and MS2 can blow up on the other side, we could have something special
Agreed. My thinking is CK can get close to any QB to run and be productive in this offense. Finding a stud LB is harder to find. Either way, no argument from me.
According to Connor Barwin, MSII is carrying more weight on his frame.
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/connor-barwin-expect-new-look-marcus-smith-2015?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Vinny curry was raving about him last week saying he has been working out like a beast
He’s been under the radar through all of the FA/trades/Mariota fever/draft, which kind of makes him a bonus if he produces consistently. This defense is coming around.
Can’t help to think what could have been if the two idiots joined us, Aka Devin McCourty starting for us giving us an elite secondary filled with Champions And Rowe..smh, and if Idiot #2 Dion Jordan would have joined us as our #4 OLB…
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Seriously who in our division can even challenge us as the top defense? We have the best ST and Defense…. And is a chip kelly offense really going to struggle to score?
McCourty means someone else doesn’t get signed. He would have cost as much as both M&M. Everything has an opportunity cost.
I’d sacrafice Ryan Mathews and Thurmond for McCourty 😉
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Trade up for Jaylen Ramsey next year and the secondary is set!!
I didn’t realize Steve Spagnuolo was a midget until seeing this photo:
https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/cd0ymzcznguwzdbhnduynddiytjhm2yyzthlmtjjotqwyyznpta5ogyzzdm2zwmzmtk4ntvlodu5yzqzmmq1m2vlmwy1-e1431699839875.jpeg?w=436
Don’t know if I would call Spags a midget being that Bradford is 6’4. If being under that height is being a midget then I would say a better portion of people are midgets.
Duly noted.
Alteration made.
he’s a giant now
And just wait ’til Bradford’s on “The Kelly Shake” 24-7-52 . . . .
He’ll be taller than Foles.
spags is a giant I meant.
isn’t sam already 6’4 taller then foles? or the same?
Nick is 6’6.
dang why did we trade him!
We can sign Foles next March if we want. I’d laugh if chip ends up with Foles and Sam
ha no way. lets give foles a break from philly see how it goes.
Love to have Foles and Sam and literally let them have an open competition for the starting QB every single summer lol.. It would be a yearly freakshow with our media market
What’s demarco’s fantasy value? What’s Shadys? How about McFadden?
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Will the 2015 Eagles behind Murray,Ryan Mathews and Sproles Rush for more yards then 2013 Eagles when Shady led league in running?
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Curious to see how our ST compares to last years epic special teams. Some think we can’t possibly score like we did last yeà r, but we gota ton of ST talent and are fiortunate enough to get another year of crazy eyes Fipp, a master at preperation in the special teams world..what if the ST actually improve? Scary thought…..Hopefully sugarfoot Parkey improves instead ofa Sophmore slump.
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I assume the defenses ability to get off the field on 3rd Down, should show the most growth from last year. hopefully the physical Backs will finally help us improve in the ENDZONE..
we are going to score some effing points.
I want Parkey to suck at fantasy this year. Because it means we are not kicking field goals in the redzone.
Think you can draft Murray in the 5-10 pick range and get solid value – but i would add Mathews as a priority in rounds 5/6 as both a backup and in case they commit to being a 2 headed monster (which they could do and i would start both in fantasy)
Dallas has the best run blocking line yet I have no clue when to draft randle or McFadden. I would friggin despise chip if those two were our RBs lol… Not even sure which is the better fantasy player…Giants RB Are tough to draft too. Worst OL in division, but Jennings and Verren is way better then Randle/McFadden IMO
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Hope to draft SAM Late..
By the time drafts roll around, word on Bradford is likely to have driven his value up. One preseason game in Kelly’s O will do that.
Depends who you draft with. If you do an on line national draft you will be able to get Bradford late. If you are drafting with friends in philly you better take him 1st round lol!
As for Dallas RB’s – don’t touch McFadden – he will be overdrafted, sucks and is a real injury concern. Randle is an interesting back i will target if i can get him rounds 5-7, as he could get No.1 RB no’s if he can get get and handle the snaps. He is one of those guys i want to not have to start week 1, but hope is a stud come week 5.
Kelly is nationwide, now. Agree that he will be overdrafted in Philly, but his stock will rise nationwide after a couple of preseason games. Call me Nostradamus.
I have Jordan, Ertz and Maclin in my keeper league. I thought Maclin was the steal of the keeper league last year, my luck he gets traded to play with the 1 QB that didn’t throw a TD to a single WR all year… FML… Hopefully Ertz and Pope explode this year… I expect those two to have some monster plays off play action from Bradford
Yea I’d switch out Maclin this year for someone else if you can. He never put up huge numbers in Reid’s offense before, in fact, he seemed to dog it quite a bit with Reid as the coach (Self Tacklin Maclin before Chip got here) he just got paid and is no longer playing for a contract, and Alex Smith…so there’s that. I bet his stat line comes in around 65-70 catches 950-1050 yards and 6 TDs.
yeah I’m hoping to Draft Sam late for my 4 man keeper team. My keepers are Antonio Brown, CJ Anderson, jeremy Hill, and Alfred Morris. I need a second WR, a QB and TE to round out my starting lineup.
I usually take at least 2 eagles on my squad..so this year I might take Ertz, Bradford, and definately taking our D/ST and Kiko or Kendricks in the later rounds.
Even with more talent, probabilities predict fewer scores. As long as at least one is postseason, I’m good.
Shady has huge fantasy value, Ryan will workhorse him. But there’s a better chance of me drafting Dez than McCoy’s whiny brat ass.
I could see a 65/25/10 split between DeMarco, Mathews, and Sproles. Will be interesting to see Rex’s expectations with Shady as a workhorse. McFadden can flash, and when healthy does present a threat. Maybe the line is a difference maker for him, and maybe he’ll be better at taking less punishing hits, but of all the RB changes he’s the one I really do expect to be injured again.
If the OL can remain relatively injury free, I do think the Eagles will rush for more yards, but not by much, as I expect a better run/pass balance.
On special teams and takeaways, I was always amazed at the number of turnovers the Duck’s D were able to generate – they were usually at or near the top in takeaway differential – expect to see the Eagles D take on a similar result as Chip get’s his players in place.
I’m feeling like the Eagles D will be strong this season – but I’m an optimist by nature, so I’m more likely to feel that way. Even so, you have to be pleased with all the new additions on Defense – if they gel and the DBs step up, they could be quite good.
Would chip take a cheap flier on EJ Manuel as a cheap developmental project if he can’t beat out Matt Castle this year? I didn’t want to draft him, but I think I would rather see if chip can develop him instead of Barkley or Tebow
sanchize is better.
Then who? I have Sanchez as the best Backup In the league
Agree 100%. People are upset with how much we paid him. Think about this. When is the last time we have had a QB play the whole season without injury? Maybe 2011? If not that then the most recent could MAYBE be 2009.
It’s VERY important that we have a good backup. Sanchez is arguably the best in the league so you probably have to pay him like that. Only makes sense. It’s not like Bradford is a perfect picture of health.
Totally agree.. If you build a roster talented enough to make the playoffs but you don’t have one of the few capable backups you are kidding yourself.. If SAm has a long healthy career for us, I’d welcome sanchez here for as long as he wants
Tebow’s been oversensationalized, but he definitely has decent upside. At this point I would say that Sanchez has pretty much shown his ceiling. Not sure the same can be said for Tebow. Worth noting that they’ve both won a playoff game, and more recently than the Eagles.
His upside is that his floor as a passer can’t get any lower.
I’d bet we haven’t seen the best of sanchez yet.. I don’t believe it’s possible for a QB to show his best In the first ten games of a new offense, that’s very different then any offense he played in the past 7 years… I’m not a Sanchez fan, but fundamentally I don’t believe you play the QB position by learning a new offense and 3 months later you Are already playing at your best… Don’t believe the QB position works like that. I think we have yet to see sanchez ceiling and its safe to say he is one of the top 3 backuos in the NFL… You can’t put Tebow on his level… Heck I expect Barkley to outclass Tebow
I would almost certainly choose Sanchez over Tebow as a backup. But that doesn’t preclude thinking Tebow has more upside, at this point. Sanchez can get better in this O, but we may still have seen his ceiling regarding limitations. Also worth noting that other teams adjust to QB’s in a system, too. Sometimes a backup never improves over his first couple of games.
Should be very interesting season. Good time to be a Birds fan.
The only thing Tebow has over Sanchez is tough running. That’s it. Sanchez has more to offer and always will as an NFL QB.
You may be right. Looking forward to camp.
Well hopefully we have seen the best of Sanchez because if he isn’t in there then Bradford is healthy and clicking.
I agree with the fact that he has improved with more time in the system.
Have you seen pictures of Barkley lately? The one I saw recently looked like he had added 10+ lbs of muscle to his frame. Will be interesting to see if any of it can translate to arm strength, esp. with his healed throwing shoulder – no excuses this TC.
I’m one of the few who haven’t written him off yet.. I assume he has to start showing improvement in year 3 of this offense. Think it’s foolish to rule out a young QB after year two… I assume barkley wipes the floor with Tebow at camp…
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But if chup reaches a point where he doesn’t want to continue investing in his development, you wont get more then someone else’s failure like EJ Manuel in return for Barkley In a trade…I’m not ready to rule out Barkley yet, but when chip decides he no loner wants to develop him, I assume we trade him for some other long shot project QB
IF the rumors are true and Chip is trying to trade Barkley then maybe he has already given up on him.
I just can’t forget in the pre-season a WR ran a crossing route about 10 yards out, the DB was trailing a yard behind with sole focus on the WR attempting to catch up, and Barkley threw a pass that hit the DB in the side of the head.
I can’t get that out of my head. That’s what I think of when I think about Barkley.
Me too. Same play changed my view of Barkley. He plays scared.
I’m happy someone else remembers that play. If I’m correct he passed 3 times on that possession. All incomplete with the 3rd down pass being the one discussed.
It’s not right to grade someone off of 1 possession but it just screamed not NFL talent.
Yes he does played scared.
Maybe he’d be more comfortable throwing this, although the DBs probably wouldn’t care or it!
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_O_kHFLAAalzFdPb7d00s4A13_mSBrJQn_xV1bQSYP23CriRC
At least with that he could really stick it to the D.
Plays scared? Or does he play like a young, under prepared 3rd stringer getting a taste of NFL action for the first time?
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I admit he is scared to friggin death of the thought of keeping the ball and running with it on a zone read and that’s a problem. Don’t need to be fast, but you have to be willing to keep it when you have a big lane to run thru without “Sharting” your pants..
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Whatever don’t care to get into Barkleys past, but I will say that it’s year 3 now, he is a veteran in this offense, time for him to go out there and show growth.. If he doesn’t show any growth In year 3 of this system, he probably never will
No he plays a little scared.
Thanks. Now it’s embedded in MY consciousness. ;~)
Lol sorry. I think about it every time I hear his name. I can’t help but laugh a little though because how ridiculous it was. Not butt fumble ridiculous, but still pretty bad.
He’s going Tebow mode.
EJ is like bad… really bad. I would rather take a shot at a QB in the draft and build that way. Why would you trade for an not super cheap QB3? with only like 1 year left till he is a FA
I’m talking about QBs you can get in a player for player trade with a barkley… How much value do you think Barkley has that you think we can get more then a guy Like EJ or Kurt Cousins… I don’t WANT any of these guys. I’m talking about just taking closer looks at as many as we can in hopes of eventually finding someone worth developing, you aren’t getting a draft pick for Barkley, so when we are done with him, might as well trade him to get a close look as someone else’s trash
I don’t think EJ is any better — i think it’d be trading for the sake of making the trade, plus EJs salary is higher.
Check it out, Jimmy Kempski gets sourced on Deadspin:
http://deadspin.com/lael-collins-nearly-didnt-make-it-out-of-the-draft-1704728354
Would it have killed them to say “Jimmy Kempski from the Philly Voice”? Saying “as pointed out by Jimmy Kempski” makes it sound like he’s just some shmuck with a twitter account.
Sourcing isn’t hard Deadspin! Name and publication!
How have people got QB’s ranked going into 2015?
I go top 10:
Rodgers (MVP tier)
Brady/Roethlisberger/Luck/Brees/Rivers (elite QB tier)
Peyton (HOF but breaking down a little)
Flacco/Romo/Ryans
Wilson (lets see him without No1 run game and defence in the NFL before kissing him into Canton)
Next tier 11-20 :
Newton/Tannehil
Stafford/Eli/Smith/Cutler
Bradford/Kaepernick
Dalton/Foles
Then rookies and sophomores (which are hard to rank) and guys who suck.
Bradford 1
foles 2
eli last
I’m hoping that Bradford can be as good as Matt Ryan here.
Unreal, Paul Pierce hits another 3 at the buzzer and sends it to overtime.
Or maybe not? What happened.
game over
I feel like Kiko is finally that guy that WR’s/RB’s will be afraid of in the middle. Sure, Kendricks and Ryan are aggressive but we didn’t have that next level aggression like Kiko has.
Can’t wait to see him hit Romo, before that nancy boy can dive on the ground and avoid the sack, Darren McFadden will have nightmares about kiko
I’d rather see Eli is a twisted pile of broken limbs.
Why not both?
Barwin claims Ms2 is one of the strongest players on our defense now, doing what he needed to do, packing on 15lbs of muscle looking like a new man and is excited to see what happens when the Pads come on
Let’s hope he didn’t do it the Lane Johnson way.
hahah is there any other way to do it? But i’m behind it eat the games so hopefully you can get on the field sooner.
Excited
looks like Tashaun Gibson wants big money, wouldn’t be surprised if we talked to the agent but the price was too high. I’m ok with how things turned out out of the 8 DBs we took someone’s gotta click back there.
Kiko will bring the boom that this defense has sorely missed since the days when Reggie used to toss D linemen around like ragdolls.
Kiko plays with the same level of ferocity and loves to lay some wood on would be runners or receivers.
I love when he jams a WR or TE off his route, which usually results in the receiver falling down, and then he gets underneath to intercept or at worst bat down any passes that come his way.
He is a true ballhawk that can hit like a freight train and cover ground like an airplane.
A three down back that will leave runners cringing in fear at the very thought of coming into Kiko’s field of vision on any given down.
I don’t like Kikkoman Soy Sauce as a nickname for him though.
How about “The Decapitator” or even “The Disciple of Destruction”?
Too long you say?….Hmmmm okay then, how bout “The Kiko-Nator” or my favorite “The Kiko A$$inator”.
As long as we play “Kiko and the Lavender Moon” by Los Lobos whenever he gets a sack.
Is he cleared to play NFL football yet? No? Then he isn’t anything.
“Potential, that just means you ain’t done nothin’ yet” – Bill Parcells