More on the Nickel Situation

Posted: August 10th, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 407 Comments »

There were a lot of reactions to the previous article so let me address some of them.

* A few of you pointed out there was a 4th option…letting Brandon Boykin play this year and show he deserves to be kept around in the future. Yeah, we’d all love that. The problem is that Chip Kelly doesn’t want a CB that is 5-9, 183. Period. We can argue the merits of Chip’s philosophy, but the bottom line is that Boykin wasn’t going to get a long term deal. You either deal him now or lose him to free agency.

I already covered the question of Kelly and not wanting small players in a previous post.

Someone pointed out that Brandon Graham looked like a goner and ended up getting a new deal. There is a big difference in the two. Graham was a backup, but he still played the position of OLB. He went up against starting OTs when rushing the passer. Graham showed the ability to play like a starter.

Boykin played the slot. While the coaches value that position, they aren’t going to pay an undersized guy to play that role. If the Eagles thought Boykin would sign for a reasonable deal, they might feel different. They know he wants big money and just aren’t going to overpay for a player his size or for that role.

* Eric Rowe is going to stay on the outside. The coaches want him to focus on learning one position for now. They feel his best position is CB. It would be great if Rowe could start at CB and Nolan Carroll could cover the slot. Some want Rowe to play FS, freeing Walter Thurmond up to play Nickel. Rowe is staying at CB, and for now he’s the backup to Carroll.

* What about Denzel Rice? He might be in the mix to play the Nickel. I couldn’t remember if the coaches had worked him there or strictly on the outside.

* Some of you want me to be more critical of Kelly. I don’t criticize for the heck of it. My first goal is to understand the thinking behind a move. If there is logic, I can deal with it.

I don’t like the 3-4 defense, but that’s what Chip wants to I set aside my feelings and focus on his ability to build a good 3-4 defense. I’m not as fixated on having big players as Kelly, but that’s what he wants. I focus on him trying to build the roster he wants. That’s how my mind works.

* Were the Eagles foolish for dealing Boykin with a rookie, unproven second year player and journeyman veteran as the key replacement options? This is a matter of opinion, but I don’t think so.

This isn’t a case of the Eagles trying to force a player into the Nickel spot. They thought Shepherd looked natural in there and took a long look at him there in the spring. Had he struggled, Boykin would probably still be an Eagle.

One of the reasons the Eagles targeted Jaylen Watkins in the 2014 draft was his versatility.

They have seen him play the slot in college and think he’s got the skill set to play there in the NFL.

As to Biggers, he has plenty of experience playing the Nickel spot in the NFL. This isn’t new to him at all.

We don’t know if Shepherd would have panned out, or if Watkins or Biggers will pan out, but there is some logic in the thinking. The Eagles weren’t relying on one player to be The Answer. They had multiple options to replace Boykin and hoped one would pan out. We have to wait and see what happens.

* Can these moves fail? Yes, absolutely. Just because there is logic behind them doesn’t guarantee a thing. Chip might be wishing he never let Cary Williams and Brandon Boykin go. Kelly isn’t afraid to take chances, and that is a good thing. You must be bold when trying to build an NFL roster. But bold moves that don’t pay off will get you fired.


407 Comments on “More on the Nickel Situation”

  1. 1 GB said at 12:12 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Why then did Chip and Davis blather on last season about how the nickel CB was a ” starter role” and how much they valued Boykin’s play there? So much, in fact, that they stated they could not afford to use him on the outside. They were just blowing smoke up our backsides?

    Now, Watkins is going to replace Boykin? The Watkins pick who has done absolutely nothing so far here as a player. Who is blowing smoke again?

    I think it is pretty obvious they are grasping at straws now after the Boykin trade and Shepard injury. Maybe Earl Wolff can start at nickel CB, lol.

  2. 2 ATG said at 12:28 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Does anyone else see a comment section that looks like they did back in the Iggles Blog days?

  3. 3 Joe Minx said at 1:50 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Can’t respond directly to you ATG, but yes, the comment section is vastly different looking. No Disqus. Is it supposed to look this way?

  4. 4 Icdogg said at 2:27 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Yeah, this is a throwback comment page.

  5. 5 Icdogg said at 2:43 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I just don’t think the nickel back position requires rare abilities we wouldn’t be able to find.

  6. 6 Xeynon said at 2:43 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Don’t like this comment section style, can’t tell who’s responding to whom and there’s no continuity in the exchanges. Please bring back Disqus.

    As for Kelly’s moves – yeah, of course there is an internal logic behind all of them. He wouldn’t have made them if they didn’t make sense to him. I don’t think anyone thinks he’s insane. My issue is that looking at the team from the perspective of an outsider, that logic appears to be questionable in some cases. Chip already dumped a borderline star player for nothing and got burned by it last year with Jackson. This year he’s repeated the feat and also voluntarily weakened depth and churned the roster in a way that’s usually disastrous for NFL franchises while acquiring a reputation as an aloof control freak who treats his players as replaceable parts. For all his talk about being open minded and believing in the benefits of smart people challenging each other he also appears to have zero tolerance for anyone challenging his judgment.

    Can that approach work? Yeah, clearly. Parcells and Belichick are hardly teddy bears and it hasn’t stopped them from winning. But the optimists are ignoring the fact that it also fails, a lot. And when it does, it’s not pretty. NFL players are grown men who get paid to do a job, they’re not scared college kids willing to do anything to get to the NFL. If you treat them like dog doo doo and you don’t back it up by winning early and often, they will lose respect for you and everything can go south very quickly. All of his moves this past season have ratcheted up the leverage of this season immensely. If Kelly wins, he will be vindicated. But if he doesn’t, it could get really ugly.

  7. 7 Mr toledo said at 3:09 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Boooo this comment section…boooooooooo

  8. 8 Tommy Lawlor said at 3:25 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Guys, I know the comments section looks weird. I updated something and Disqus apparently had made major changes. I’m trying to see if I can fix this.

  9. 9 TommyLawlor said at 3:35 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    The comments section has been fixed. My apologies if you lost a comment.

  10. 10 A_T_G said at 9:04 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    So my comment saying that I think there is something wrong with the comments section is just gone forever? I am not sure I can accept that.

  11. 11 daveH said at 10:43 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    what theres a fixing issue in the comments?? they’re fixed ?? I KNEEW IT I KNEW IT!!!! GEAGLE IS TOMMY !!!

  12. 12 unhinged said at 3:48 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    TLaw, the day you become a critic “for the heck of it” is the day you’ll lose me. You have got yourself a following here that is a veritable wealth of information and entertainment that should give you a shot of pride. Well played, sir…stay in the game, please.

  13. 13 D3FB said at 6:34 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Great read, I don’t know if he can play a lick but I hope he ends up on the Eagles just for the press conferences.

  14. 14 Tumtum said at 8:30 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Ok we need him to fill the Evan Mathis role here. Like now.

  15. 15 A_T_G said at 9:02 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    You want to sign him to a lucrative contract which he complains about?

  16. 16 sonofdman said at 10:11 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Funny stuff. These two are my favorite:

    Other than “SportsCenter,” what’s your favorite TV show?

    Television doesn’t exist in a world dominated by reality and D.J. Smoot.

    If you could ask the media that covers you one question, what would it be?

    If the circumference of a banana is 13.72 cubic feet squared, and the radius is 12 yards, what is the square root of a block of ice?

  17. 17 D3FB said at 10:45 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I loved the girlfriend one.

    The whole thing was just so much better than the typical canned responses.

  18. 18 EagleNebula said at 10:58 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    It should be the cube root of the block of ice but I’ll let it pass since it was off the top of his head

  19. 19 EagleNebula said at 10:37 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I can already see an epic wulfden interview in the works

  20. 20 D3FB said at 10:46 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    So you were brought in as a seventh round draft pick, what was that like?

    I don’t even know, what is a round, like metaphysically man?

  21. 21 Dominik said at 6:47 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I’m all for giving players chances, what I don’t like is players who didn’t pan out at bad Franchises and bad Defenses to me more than camp bodies. Which is why Prosinski on Defense would scare the hell out of me (I know he’s a ST stud). And which is why I cringe when Biggers is called one of the options for the slot CB.

    I’m not in the anti Boykin trade camp. But I sure hope it wasn’t just Shepard who they liked enough to trade Boykin, your starting slot corner. I also hope they didn’t think Biggers will get that role, because from Boykin to Biggers in 40 percent of the snaps, among others playing Cruz and Beasley twice a year + Edelman, that would be too big of a drop off for a 5th/4th rounder imo.

    If they liked Watkins progression and if they think Rize could have a chance, or Carroll moving inside with Rowe outside in Nickel – all fine with me (+ they couldn’t know Shepard would tear his ACL, of course). Those are young players that could make a leap. I just don’t want Biggers in there for 40 percent of the snaps.

    Same with Prosinski. If he makes the team because we keep 10 DBs (5 CBs, 5 Safeties) and there is a Safety back-up who actually can play Defense in case a starter gets hurt (Couplin, Wolff, maybe Reynolds), go ahead and keep 2 ST studs who can’t play Defense. I just don’t want Maragos and Prosinski as your Safeties #3 and 4, because that will be a disaster if something happens to Jenkins or Thurmond.

  22. 22 Anders said at 6:50 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Are we really that scared of Beasley? He is like 5th options in that offense.

  23. 23 Dominik said at 7:07 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I’m not scared of Beasley. He’s no prime Wes Walker or Edelman, but he’s solid.
    Still don’t want Biggers on the field for 40 percent of the snaps.

  24. 24 Anders said at 7:08 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    My guess is that we will play less nickel with Thurmond and Jenkins at safety

  25. 25 GEAGLE said at 8:39 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I’m comfortable sticking Jaylen Watkins on him,,,

  26. 26 Sean Stott said at 12:54 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Beasley is good because everyone underestimates him, just like you just did.

  27. 27 xmbk said at 8:05 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Understand your Biggers concerns. Not so sure about Prosinski, he may be a decent backup option.

  28. 28 Dominik said at 8:18 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Prosinski is an outstanding STer. He was cut by probably the worst team in the NFL DESPITE his ST abilities. That’s how much he sucks at playing Defense.

    Remember the TD against the Jags where there was no one near Maclin for 20 Yards? Well, guess who was responsible for Maclin on that play…

  29. 29 Jarock said at 7:48 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I worried about this last year. People here understandably criticize Nate Allen. Scary part is Prosinksy and Maragos would make Nate look like Dawkins in his prime by comparison.

  30. 30 Dominik said at 6:42 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    Right. As crazy as that sounds, we were lucky that Allen (and Jenkins, but that’s not crazy) weren’t hurt as soon as it was clear Wolff couldn’t play anymore. Because that would have meant Prosinski or Maragos and it would have been awful.

  31. 31 A_T_G said at 8:29 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Not speaking specifically of Biggers, but sometimes the reason a player didn’t work out in a bad franchise is the reason they are a bad franchise. Remember in the waning days of the Reid tenure, players would leave us and be better elsewhere? Jarrett and Dunlap come to mind, but there were more. The problem wasn’t the players, it was our player development, and it is why we were becoming a bad franchise.

  32. 32 Dominik said at 8:59 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Generally speaking, you’re right of course. But I’ve watched Biggers enough over the years to simply not want him on the football team I root for.

    Look at the Front Seven the Redskins D had. Wasn’t great, but pretty solid. And then look at their defensive stats. Their DBs let our DBs look like Pro Bowlers. They had one promising player in Breeland, the rest was just awful. Biggers was part of that group.

  33. 33 GEAGLE said at 8:38 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    No idea what to expect from Proz in terms of safety play, but I do think his ST prowess makes him a lock to make this roster… no idea how Proz looks at safety these days, but he did manage to snatch up 3 INTs in the first week of camp…
    Proz Beastly ST Play is what earns him a roster spot,,, if we can get something out of him as a DB it would be a big bonus as far as I’m concerned..

    If Fans want to enjoy another elite special team unit like last year, we have to understand when chip prioritizes ST play so highly when it comes to roster depth selection… If Chip is going to just give the 4th safety spot to the 4th best safety instead of continuing to prioritize ST play, we aren’t going to have as elite of a ST unit as last year.,and after seeing what a huge boost our ST was, I’m happy to continue to see our coach prioritize ST play more then most coaches in the NFL when it comes time choosing our backups..
    I think Maragos, Braman, Tutu, Prosinski, Burton will all make our Roster due to special teams play…

  34. 34 Dominik said at 8:46 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    “I think Maragos, Braman, Tutu, Prosinski, Burton will all make our Roster due to special teams play…”

    And that’s ok. But we need one back-up Safety who can play Defense. Like I said, if we keep 5 Safeties, Maragos and Prosinski can be two of them. But we need a #3 who can play Defense. Having Prosinski in there on D in case one starter gets injured (and Thurmond has a history of that) will bring us all together in the wish we still had Nate Allen.

  35. 35 GEAGLE said at 12:56 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I assume the 5th safety will come down the Couplin vs Wolff vs Reynolds… Winner joins Jenkins, Thurmond, Maragis, Pros as the 5th safety…
    Hopefully both Couplin and Wolff look good in preseason and push each other.. Feel so much better about the safety position if one of those two grow into a promising safety instead of just a ST player…. I have no idea what to expect from Maragos or Pros on defense so I just assume they are here for special teams

  36. 36 Jarock said at 7:51 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    What scares me about this idea is it doesn’t account for the fact that we need two backup safeties who can actually play. Thurmond is pretty much guaranteed to be injured by week 4. That would leave us one play from having Prosinsky or Maragos on the field playing D. That’s a disaster. For that matter, not sure Brian Braman starting @ LB would be much better.

  37. 37 Dominik said at 6:40 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    Well, that’s the price you pay for having the best ST unit in the NFL. There is always, with every roster decision, a trade-off. I think we’ve seen how much ST can contribute last season. We would have never had the record we had at the beginning of the year without our great ST unit.

    And there is the old saying that you’ll win a game if you win two out of the three phases. Defense, Offense, ST – if you win two of those, chances are good you’ll win the game.

    And don’t forget, we have versatility at the back end. I hope Billy D wouldn’t play Prosinski or Maragos back there if Thurmond and Jenkins get hurt. We could play with the #3 Safety (Couplin, Reynolds, Wolff) and either Rowe or Watkins (whoever doesn’t wins the nickel job). Would it be ideal? No. But you can’t have everything. And if two out of two starters at a position are hurt, you’re going to have a hard time no matter what. It’s just the reality.

  38. 38 Tumtum said at 2:28 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    Just want to be on record as that one guy who opined for Allen back.

  39. 39 Dominik said at 6:33 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    I hope not for the salary he received, though!?

  40. 40 xmbk said at 8:02 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Noooo, don’t let the heat from negative nellies get to you. Stand tall in the pocket and keep writing reasonable articles based on research and insight, not emotion.

  41. 41 Tumtum said at 8:26 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    To back Tommy up a bit here (and I have been as critical of the off-season moves as I think anyone has been on this forum, including the Boykin trade).

    Chip didn’t make the trade because there was a promising 6th round rookie. His eggs were not all in that basket. Watkins, Biggers, Sheppard, the list goes on. The play that we were going to get from nickle went from amazing to adequate the second we traded Boykin, and it doesn’t matter who is there. Sorry, it just isn’t that hard of a spot to fill. As much as the Eagles have struggled on defense they have NEVER EVER had an issue at NB since I have been an Eagles fan. Sure there has been less than spectacular play there, but it has always been way down on the list of reasons we didn’t win the Super Bowl.

    To back Chip up (and remember I wanted Boykin here), if he was only ever going to let Brandon be a NB, he got AMAZING value for him. When he was first traded I made a comment about the compensation along the lines of “bag of chips”. I was pretty wrong in retrospect. Think about the nickle position here for the past 25 years and you will agree (sorry I’m 30.. can’t help ya beyond that).

  42. 42 GEAGLE said at 8:30 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Bout time Jaylen Watkins starts getting some love.. Think people are ridiculous for already ruling that kid out simply because he didn’t light the league on fire as a rookie..
    If fans are going to write off every corner that doesn’t produce as a rookie, we wouldn’t have enough corners to field a team..

    I can’t agree with The thinking that chip trades Boykin simply because the 6th rd rookie looked good running around without pads in OTA’s., more likely is Chip thought Highly of a couple of the kids who were playing behind Boykin.

    Jaylen Watkins is a talented versatile young player known for high level football IQ… I expect big things from Jaylen.. Even if JaCorey stayed healthy, I still expected Jaylen in year 2 to outplay JaCorey in his rookie season
    I really don’t understand how we can draft a corner in the 4th round, not play him as a rookie, and a year later everyone treats him like he is destined to always suck? Do not sleep on Jaylen Watkins,,, I’m looking for the kid to make significant improvements in year 2…, my money is on Watkins winning the starting Nickel, and I would have bet on Watlins starting in September even if JaCorey didn’t get hurt

    cornerback is a position rookies have no business playing.. Watkins not playing as a rookie means NOTHING… talented kid, high football IQ, versatile enough that chip let him practice at multiple positions as a rookie which is rare since chip prefers to have rookies spend their first year focused on 1 position..

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Jaylen Watkins grows into a very suitable nickel replacement for Boykin…absurd for fans to already rule out a 4th round pick of a year ago.., the nickel spot is Watkins to lose… no idea what level of play to expect out of Biggers..
    Watkins instantly becomes one of the 5 must watch players of the preseason… I’m sure seeing Shep run around in shorts without pads impressed coaches, but no way Do I believe that he was the reason we traded Boykin. I assume that the coaches liked a couple of the young players to replace Boykin.,,,, now it comes down to Watkins vs Biggers
    Hopefully the colts starters play at least 2 drives. Like to see Jaylen get some good work in defending TY Hilton.,.

    What a corner looks like as a rookie means NOTHING!!! The year 2 leap a corner makes is drastically more important then what a corner looks like as a rookie.. Jaylen Is going to show growth in year 2… How much will he improve in his year 2 leap is the question,,,, shame on this city for already ruling out such a talented young DB who hasn’t even had a chance to fail yet lol

  43. 43 Avery Greene said at 9:10 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I think this is much closer to the reality than CK doesn’t like good players. There’s 6-8 other players on the roster that want a spot in the secondary and the competition may bring out the best in a couple of them.

  44. 44 EagleNebula said at 10:41 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Correct me if I am wrong, but in the game Watkins got some playing time he flashed a couple of times…for a rookie. Or maybe it was just comparing him to Bradley Fletcher made me think that?

  45. 45 GEAGLE said at 11:51 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Yeah he def flashed and made some plays.. I’m sure there were also some plays he would like to have back..but Jaylen is a very smart player who just need experience to grow, so when he makes mistakes, good chance he uses them as growth opportunities…. Young players need to play, make mistakes, learn from them…..ESPECIALLY at cornerback, you really can’t even bother trying to judge a rookie corner.
    everyone was high on Trae Wayne’s, and the kid still has a very promising future, but anyone see how badly he was ROASTED during the hall of fame game?…Trae looked like an Undrafted CB in his first preseason game. He was horrible, yet I wouldnnt bet against him growing into a quality starting corner… It just takes time.. Some positions are easier to transition from college to Pro, corner is not one of those positions…. It’s funny to me how fans could get so excited about a 6th round rookie after practocing in shorts and helmets during OTAs, yet be down on the talented corner we drafted in the 4th round last year? It’s not like they saw Watkins continuosly get beat last year…
    Watkins barely played last year, and he was playing behind a quality corner in Boykin.. There is no reason why fans shouldn’t be excited about Jaylen.. Smart kid, adapts quickily. Was able to be successful no matter where the coaches needed him to play….. I’m extremely excited to get to see how much growth Watkins will show in the preseason…

  46. 46 Ben said at 1:09 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I like Watkins as well and I think having a year in Chips system has helped him to adjust to the NFL and sometimes it takes a year or even two years for players to live up to their draft stock.
    I love our DB depth and I think trading Boykin was a really good move, as if we decided to keep him, he would have left for more money next season and we would get nothing in return.
    At 5’9 and 180 lbs, Chip knew he wasn’t in the long term plans so trading him now IMO was the best move that the Eagles could have made, considering the depth at this position.

  47. 47 Tumtum said at 8:31 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I’m nervous for Rowe. Have we produced an outside corner since Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown?

  48. 48 A_T_G said at 8:57 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Sure. There was Patterson and Marsh. On the other hand, a good corner…no.

  49. 49 wee2424 said at 1:11 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    No, but we haven’t drafted a CB higher then round 3 since then if I remember correctly.

  50. 50 Tumtum said at 2:32 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    Think you are right about that.

  51. 51 eagleyankfan said at 8:32 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    just point people to the “if you have a team full of exceptions” article you posted a while back….
    You’d think people would praise CK for his ‘sticking to his’ plan and not altering for the sake of altering. CK’s mind isn’t blowing like a wind. He has a plan and he’s sticking to it….he’s not going waiver — unless his metrics say to change….

  52. 52 Luke Grosse said at 8:36 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    It seems that everyone forgot about when the Eagles let go of an experienced, successful Nickel CB and handed the job to a rookie. That’s right. They let go Joselio Hansen and gave the job to Brandon Boykin. It’s an understandable move. It was likely going to work out well with Shepherd too, but the injury occurred. Fortunately, there’s still options that are not horrible.

  53. 53 Tumtum said at 8:43 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Lets not forget that Hansen got the job as an undrafted rookie.

  54. 54 Luke Grosse said at 9:43 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Yeah, he was an UDFA of the Niners prior to coming to Philly two years later.

  55. 55 CrackSammich said at 9:24 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I was just thinking the same thing.

  56. 56 Gary Barnes said at 8:38 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Didn’t Chip and Davis state last season that the nickel CB position was considered a “starting role” and that they valued Boykin there so much they could not afford to try him on the outside?

    If that is true, and they were not just blowing sunshine up our backsides, I think the obvious real reason they kept Graham instead of Boykin has nothing to do with “showing the ability to start”, but rather Graham’s ability to rush the passer was too good to let go.

    Boykin could have easily started on the outside, but was never given the chance due to his size. Not his performance. His size. We’ll have to see if it backfires or not. The injury to Shepard certainly does not help, but there are some other options we can give chances to play. Are they as good as Boykin? Time will tell.

  57. 57 A_T_G said at 8:50 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    They said that to build up Boykin, make him feel appreciated, and hope he becomes satisfied with his role. It didn’t work, but there was nothing sinister about it. They were trying to help their team be the best it could.

  58. 58 Gary Barnes said at 9:04 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Never said there was anything sinister about it, just wanted to confirm they were blowing sunshine as I suspected they were.

    They were trying to help their team be the best it could? Really? By continuing to play Fletcher game after game while he routinely got torched? I guess they have a strange way of helping.

  59. 59 A_T_G said at 9:10 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Do you disagree that their motives and goal was to make the team the best that they could? What do you believe they were going for?

  60. 60 Gary Barnes said at 9:26 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I think the motives are obviously fine, yes they want to be the best they can be, but the execution was flawed in this situation in many ways IMO.

    They had a starter (Fletcher) who regressed from the year before and was clearly being picked on by other teams. They did pretty much nothing to address it until very late in the season and the damage was done.

    Part of the reason for that is they had little quality depth at outside CB and thus had boxed themselves into using Williams/Fletcher.

    The other part IMO is they refused to try anyone else on the outside, like Boykin, who could possibly have improved the level of play there because their size criteria and scheme dictated a certain approach and they would not change it in an attempt to adjust to what other teams were doing to them and thus have a better chance of winning games.

    They were also teaching their CB to not look back, but to watch the receiver’s body/reactions. This approach led to many penalties against our CB and little turnovers since it is quite difficult to INT a pass when you’re not even looking at the ball.

    Again, we’ll have to see what happens this season to know if trading Boykin will backfire on them or not. If Boykin starts in PIT, a 4th rd pick is nothing to sneeze at, but if their CB struggle again this season one could legitimately question their execution again on a very important position.

  61. 61 A_T_G said at 6:35 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I guess I misunderstood when you said “really?” That you were questioning whether it was true. I am glad we agree on their motives. When you talked about blowing smoke, to me that implied a desire to be untruthful and dishonest, but you say that you did not mean that either. The rest of the stuff into your latest post is unrelated to what was said at press conferences about Boykin, and almost seems to be distracting from the topic.

  62. 62 Avery Greene said at 9:17 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I think it was you in the other thread (maybe?) that talked about Davis having to get it done this year?

    Davis admitted as much that he probably should have put Carroll on the outside earlier in the year. Granted, he was hampered early in the year, but he should have been put in the game. That’s Davis’s job to get the defense ready and to get the right players out there.

    I want to like Davis, but what happened in the secondary last year was atrocious. Not because Fletcher was back there (tho I hated Williams more), but because they kept doing the same thing expecting a different result.

    I noticed in the last few games Huff started getting more reps on the offense – CK made some changes to that side of the ball, but we didn’t see much on the defensive side.

    So I guess in this long post, my point is that I think a part of that blame goes on Davis. Yes, CK is the head coach, but he entrusts that defense to Davis. So, I think he has this year to show what he can do (he does have the talent), and if he doesn’t get it done maybe we see Undlin as the new DC.

  63. 63 Tumtum said at 2:41 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    Davis noted that Carroll knew dime and Fletcher didn’t as well. He didn’t want to potentially weaken two positions was his implication for not starting Carroll. I guess you want to probably put that on DB coaching. They made a move there which is good.

  64. 64 Mitchell said at 8:53 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Why do people keep saying Boykin could have easily started on the outside? Of its true he would have. Maybe in a cover scheme like with the Steelers but not here. Coaches watched him play for hours upon hours. I don’t think Chip is so dumb that he said,” Wow! Boykin is great outside but I don’t think we’ll put him there.” I don’t want to hear that prototypical size was the only factor because Graham doesn’t have prototypical size for Chip either.

  65. 65 Gary Barnes said at 8:59 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Did you read my post? I stated the real reason Graham was kept is because his pass rushing skills are too good to be let go, thus Chip was willing to make an exception to his size criteria.

    I doubt they ever seriously played Boykin on the outside in practice beyond the random rotation. He was designated the nickel CB. That is where they thought he fit best and size must have been one of the primary reasons for that judgement.

  66. 66 Mitchell said at 9:25 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    And Boykin would have been kept if his coverage skills were too good to let go. Just curious but how do you know that they didn’t seriously play him outside in practice? There are several we don’t see, right?

  67. 67 Gary Barnes said at 9:31 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Its not the same IMO. Pass rush skills from the LB spot are a harder skill set to find now than coverage skills by a nickel CB. Boykin would have to be truly elite to be kept which would have meant he could play outside at any size anyway…

  68. 68 Mitchell said at 9:37 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    So the. You agree it was the right decision to trade him? If he wasn’t good (elite)enough to beat out what we had then it was right to trade him. He should have got a shot but there had to be reasons in addition to size why he wasn’t.

  69. 69 GEAGLE said at 10:39 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I can see a case for arguing against making the trade..
    After this season we have to worry about extending Cox,Curry,Kendricks,Thornton, SAM Bradford… Which means two things:
    1) Probably can’t pay to extend Boykin
    2) Probably won’t see the Eagles sigń a bunch of other teams free agents next year
    So if a team like the steelers or Miami value boykin as an Outside corner in their schemes, and making him an offer paying him starting corner money which isn’t cheap..and we don’t sign other teams free agents because we are busy extending our own players, good chance we could have gotten a 4th or 5th round compensatory pick for keeping Boykin this year and losing him to free agency next March…
    Even if you wanted to get Boykin out the way to make room for Jaylen Watkins or JaCorey to grow, one can argue that since we are trying to make the playoffs this year, it would be better to keep Boykin on the bench as depth for this year and take a compensatory pick whem someone makes him a starting cornerback offer in the 4th or 5th round range, then to lose Boykin now for a 4th round pick…
    I would have preffered not trading Boykin away and risking losing him for nothing at the end of the season, because being successful this year is most important to me and you can NEVER have ENOUGH depth… But No poïnt in crying over spilled milk and I can see a case for trading him, and I can see a case for keeping him 1 more year…
    I am a big Jaylen Watkins fan, so right now, I’m not concerned…but two corners down (boykin,JaCorey) we are losing what “depth safety net” that we had…..if the DB injuries DONT stop, we can end up regretting it… If Wakins stays healthy, Im perfectly comfortable with the trade even after our rookie got hurt
    If the Eagles and players DIDNT rave about JaCorey when we traded away Boykin, we would be looking at things so differently today. We wouldnt think an Injury to JaCorey has ANY bearing whatsoever on our season if the Eagles didn’t talk Him up when they traded boykin
    If we can’t overcome an injury to a 6th round rookie who we only saw practice in pads 2 days lol, then we clearly aren’t as good as we think we are….
    Only real frustrating part for me is I have no idea what to expect from Biggers…is he going to be legit comp for Watkins? Curious to see how they divide preseason reps between Jaylen and Biggers..

  70. 70 Tumtum said at 2:48 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    I really would like to see Boykin outside playing press man, in this defense. The easy argument is to say it couldn’t work since that’s what the team thought. I think he would of thrived. Unfortunately with the shceme difference in Pit success or failure will not solve the argument either.

    So at this point we accept, analyze, and move on.

  71. 71 wee2424 said at 9:06 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Actually I think size was a big factor. In the slot Boykin is not going to have to deal with alot of jump balls and he usually isn’t going to deal with the opposing team’s biggest receivers. The slot helps minimize his natural weakness.

    I think Boykin can cover on the outside. The problem occurs where he may be good in coverage all game, but the Birds play so many snaps on D that it gives the opposing O the chance to take advantage of his size. The more plays run the more chance there is of a failure play.

    He may keep Dez under wraps but then suddenly Dez beats him for a jump ball that turns out to be a big play. For a team that wants to stop big plays Chip wants to minimize that chance as much as possible and having a 5’10 CB does not minimize that.

    Chip is playing a numbers game realizing at one point his height will hurt.

    Chip was probably afraid of him in the RZ.

  72. 72 wee2424 said at 8:55 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    BG was almost a Giant if not for a last second offer. As good as BG played last year I think a big part of the reason he stayed around was due to the lack of FA pass rushers. Eagles wanted Worrilds the year prior and when he surprisingly retired the choices were pretty thin. It’s not really mentioned much, but I think that has ALOT to do with why BG is still here.

  73. 73 Gary Barnes said at 9:06 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Oh I was shocked when Graham was re-signed and I’m a fan of him. I think you’re right.

  74. 74 GEAGLE said at 8:58 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Boykin has the cover ability to play outside.. But not suited to play our scheme. If you ask Boykin to press against Dez Bryant, he will toss Tiny Boykin out of bounds… A cover / zone team like the steelers valued Boykin. no surprise that a defense that presses didn’t trade for Boykin.. Btw, Boykin practices inside and outside for us the past 3 summers, if he was our best press outside corner he would have played outside… If a team that presses on the outside traded for Boykin I can understand questioning Chip, but that’s not what happened… What ha Penned is a team that plays a completely different style of play then we do valued him as an outside corner..
    People aren’t even asking the RIGHT Questions! Should Boykin play outside in a press scheme isn’t even the question…. The REAL QUESTION IS:
    Do you think Boykin could be such a great outside corner that we should switch our d census scheme to better suit Boykin skill so we can play him outside??? That’s the question…… And for me the answer to that is NO..
    I love that the vision is to be big physical outside corners who press and disrupt timing at the line of scrimmage. I would Not want to switch to a cover two scheme just for Boykin….. Especially since Boykin won’t be here long term… cox, Kendricks, Curry, Thornton all need to be extended after the season before Boykin..
    Personally contending this year is important to me so I would have preceded keeping Boykin as depth and losing him the free agency after this season, but I do understand why they would pull the trigger on the trade for a 4th rd pick
    I’m also very high on Jaylen Watkins and I think fans and media are borderline insane for ruling him out because he had a quiet rookie season… I expect the see significant and drastic growth out of Jaylen Watkins:. How a kid plays as a rookie means NOTHING.. His year two leap in Growth is what matters
    There are successful outside corners around the league under 5’10…. But it’s not common to find any of the successful short outside corners plaYing in a press scheme.. This isn’t just a chip Kelly Bias, It’s pretty common that teams who want to press want big, long athletic corners to play in press schemes..

    Fans see Boykin has success matching up against Dez in the slot so they think he can defend Dez when he lines up outside but that’s apples and oranges.. Spot corners don’t Press… So when the Cowboys moved Dez in th slot and we see Boykin defendIng him well, it means nothing. Boykin in the slot excebtuates his talents and hides his weakness…. If you ask Boykin to line up outside and press against Dez, Boykin is going to get tossed out of bounds as soon as the ball is snapped.
    Playing inside and pressing on the outside is basically two completely different positions

  75. 75 Avery Greene said at 9:05 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    That is exactly the whole problem with the analysis a lot of the times with the Eagles, people are not asking the right questions.

  76. 76 GEAGLE said at 10:24 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Sad but true… Hard to have accurate and valuable discussions if we don’t even ask the right questions,..

  77. 77 wee2424 said at 1:10 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Agree. However I think there is ample reason as to why people are nervous about Watkins. Yes I was high on Watkins at seasons end because I don’t expect rookie CBs to really play, especially 4th round ones. Contrary to many I thought he showcased some skill against the Giants.

    The reason I am worried about him is the fact that this off season which I thought would be huge for his growth has him bouncing all over the place. It seems he hasn’t found his niche which is very important in the NFL.

    He reportedly was told he would move to Safety. Wolff still isn’t playing so you assume he really has his shot. Thurmond gets moved there and Watkins seems to get moved from there back to CB which at the time had alot of depth and S is arguably the thinnest spot on the roster.

    Then Boykins gets traded and it’s a rookie 6th round pick that seems to have the inside track on the nickel spot over Watkins.

    At the end of the season I didn’t get why people were down on him, but I do understand why people are now. I still have high hopes for him, and I do think he could be a good nickel, but this off season is a little worrisome for him.

  78. 78 Ben said at 1:27 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I agree Geagle, Boykin will never be a top flight press corner for any team, unless he has a 6 inch growth spurt.
    As you also mentioned, I think he can play outside if he’s in a zone or cover two scheme but thinking Boykin could start on the outside in our press scheme is insanity IMO.

  79. 79 Tumtum said at 2:58 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    The worst thing about it is that there was no reason not put him on Dez while he was smashing the rest of our DBs last year. It was a no lose situation because they were already getting smashed in the secondary. You could say that about any time in the last 6 weeks of 14′. It is a crime he never got a look.

  80. 80 Ben said at 1:19 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Gary Barnes:
    “Boykin could have easily started on the outside, but was never given the chance due to his size.”

    I wholeheartedly must disagree with you Gary.
    Imagine Boykin having to cover receivers like Dez Bryant or Calvin Johnson.
    That’s who outside corners cover.
    The answer to that question is noway in hell do you allow that to happen.
    I loved Boykin in the slot, but on the outside?
    Not so much.

  81. 81 Tumtum said at 3:01 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    We saw him cover Calvin. Sometimes you just have to believe. You take Brad Fletcher against those guys. I’ll take BB 10 out of 10 times.

  82. 82 LongDing said at 8:51 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    They should have never demoted Howie Roseman. How can everyone buy into Chip KKKelly when he hasn’t won anything. THose first four games could have easily been losses last year. That would have made the team 6-10.

  83. 83 Mitchell said at 8:56 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    That’s frustrating. I thought when Tommy said “the comments section was fixed and he apologized to the people who lost comments,” he was referring to you.

  84. 84 LongDing said at 9:18 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I am sorry you can’t handle the truth.

  85. 85 D3FB said at 10:23 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Sadly he was only refering to the fact that when this first went up last night th comment system was the pre-disqus system.

  86. 86 LongDing said at 10:30 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    And now Tommy finds it appropriate to refer to comments BECAUSE OF ME.

    Nobody would call out Tommy for drinking the koolaid before me.


  87. 87 Avery Greene said at 10:32 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Real stupid.

  88. 88 Ben said at 1:28 PM on August 11th, 2015:


  89. 89 TypicalDouche said at 10:34 AM on August 11th, 2015:


  90. 90 laeagle said at 12:36 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    Keeping it real does not mean what you think it does.

    I thought they didn’t allow kids to use mobile devices in special ed classes anymore. Learn something new every day. But don’t worry. Mommy is still SO proud of you!

  91. 91 P_P_K said at 9:30 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I agree with you that the team could have been 6-10. Let’s keep hoping we pull out those close games and get lucky bounces.
    I don’t agree with your spelling Kelly’s name that way. I grew up in Philly, back in the day, and in my neighborhoods racism was a real and scary thing. Life and limb were in danger at times. Chip may or may not harbor racist ideas, but I’m not aware of anything the man has done to earn that KKK label. Save that for the true a**holes of the world.

  92. 92 TypicalDouche said at 10:23 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Wait Chip is racist yet how many black players are on the roster and how many has he drafted? Shut up you stupid idiot it’s as clear as glass he isn’t racist. On to Roseman,tell me again what the Eagles won when he was in charge?. Nothing so once again you being such borderline retard is exposed again.

  93. 93 LongDing said at 10:29 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Stop replying to my comments please.

  94. 94 TypicalDouche said at 10:30 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I will continue to attack you for as long as you continue to say the moronic things you keep saying. So as long as you continue I will continue as will idiot.

  95. 95 TypicalDouche said at 10:33 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I also like how you have no response to anything I say cause like I’ve been saying your really stupid and don’t know what it is tow talking about.

  96. 96 Ben said at 1:36 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    That’s a little harsh don’t you think LongDing?
    Do you even know what you are talking about?
    Howie is good at contracts and Chip is great at everything Football related.
    Chip is and will continue to be a trend setter in the NFL on so many different levels, and when clowns like you post things like this, it only makes you look dumb.
    Chip has helped the Eagles to 20 wins in two seasons.
    Where have you been?
    He’s changing the way the game is played as several teams are adopting many of his methods such as Sports Science programs to the days his players rest.
    Spelling Chips name the way you just did, speaks to your level of ignorance.
    Go be a troll somewhere else.

  97. 97 LongDing said at 1:51 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    no ill stay here. Chip kkkelly won all those games with howie’s players. he hasn’t won anything.

  98. 98 lcwboyboy said at 8:59 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    If I’m not mistaken, didn’t we play a lot less nickel in 2014 than we did in 2013? And with a converted CB, Thurmond, playing safety and two incredible athletes like Alonso and Kendricks at LB, maybe we keep the base defense on the field even more this year? If that’s the case, it makes Boykin even more expendable.

    Btw, I’m glad i never paid to get Boykin’s name put on my old Asante jersey. Why do I own an Asante jersey? It was given to me .. and it’s authentic. Every relax.

  99. 99 GEAGLE said at 9:10 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    That’s probably a safe assumption to make…
    If we are going to be at a disadvantage having a corner at safety when teams run against us, we might as well use having a corner at safety to our advantage, stay in base more and ask Thutmond to man up against the slot since he has so much experience playing slot corner…
    With that said, we are still going to see some Nickel because I expect Jaylen Watkins to show big growth… I learned a while ago not to expect ANYTHING out of rookie corners. If it were up to me we would redshirt Rowe and not even see him on defense this year… But quality young ayers are supposed to show significant growth from year 1 to year 2, and from year 2 to year 3..
    People are Judging Jaylen Watkins after a rookie year without even seeing what his year 2 growth looks like yet,.. Big mistake..
    I have No idea wha to expect from EJ Biggers, but I am very excited about Jaylen Watkins,.. Hoping he Watkins can give us close to what we got out of Boykins sophomore season. I like Jaylen a lot. Loved him at florida and since then nothing has happened that should make me spit on the kid…
    Between staying in Base defense on 3rd down and Jaylen Watkins growing in that Nickel spot, I think we will be fine this year… Watkins should be a much better player then this city is giving him credit for…

  100. 100 Avery Greene said at 9:18 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I think the larger point is not to judge any player after one year.

  101. 101 GEAGLE said at 9:33 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    That is a smart way to look at things……ESPECIALLY at a few positions that are really hard for rookies to play, like OLB/DE and cornerback..
    How do you judge hard working, high IQ young talents before even seeing what type of yeàr two leap they make?.. It’s like Jaylen has been completely Writen off already and I think that’s a mistake… Curious to see how his year 2 play will measure up to Boykin who had a pretty nice sophmore season in 2013… I really liked this kid coming out of Florida, and nothing has happened that should make me change my opinion…some times we have to be patient before we can even try and make a judgement on a young player…. There is probably the biggest difference between rookie year when you are a deer in the headlights and the Sophmore season where everything starts to slow down for you…. Very excited to see how much Jaylen grows over the next few seasons…. As versatile as he is, having played every position in the secondary, I would easily chose skot corner as his best position….Hopefully he stays healthy so we can see how good this kid can be…..nregrettfully I have No IDEA what to expect out of Biggers… But we,can’t afford too many more injuries at slot corner.

  102. 102 Bert's Bells said at 9:50 AM on August 11th, 2015:


    Please tell me we can still judge commenters after one post.

  103. 103 lcwboyboy said at 9:23 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I’m interested in seeing what he can do too. Watkins didn’t start a lot of games in college so he came in pretty green. He has they physical tools though so I’m pulling for him.

  104. 104 GEAGLE said at 9:49 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I feel like in some aspects his growth has been stunted by his versatility. On one hand he could be more developed if he was able to focus in one one position.. But on the other hand it’s so damn impressive that he could move all over the secondary playing inside, outside and safety, and that type of versatility comes in very handy when injuries start to pile up..
    Chip kelly believes rookies should spend their first year focused on learning 1 position, and eventually cross train playërs at different positions in future years.. Yet chip thought so highly of this kids football IQ that as a rookie they had him taking reps at multiple positions last year… Now it looks like Jaylen will get an opportunity to show what he can really do, at the position that fits him the best…. I’m very excited about seeing Jaylen. it’s a Testament to the depth of this roster that we could trade away such a quality Nickel corner, lose another rookie Nickel to an Injury, yet we still have yoûng talent im excited to see fill that role..
    I LOVE that Chip kelly is building a secondary filled with DBs who are all Capable of playing multiple positions. This will come in handy if injuries really start to pile up.. Amd it also comes in handy in having a bunch of different subpackages we can throw at opponents… Even if we lost all our nickel corners, we have a safety in Thurmond who has a ton of experience defending the slot and was one of the most Talemted Nickel corners in the NFL.. We have Maxwell and Nolan who both have shown they can play inside corner at the NFL level… And our other safety Jenkins was a first round pick who played CB on a Super Bowl champion team as a rookie…
    really excited about this years defense and im very comfortable going into a season counting on Watkins in the slot …… Full disclosure I have NO clue what to expect from Biggers. no idea If he is legit competition for Jaylen Watkins or if he is an inferior talent, but at this point it’s Jayens job to lose….
    Randall Evans I don’t expect to get anything out of, my guess is he spends a year on practice squad,
    Denzel Rice, roster or Practice squad?

  105. 105 deshawnbentley said at 9:49 AM on August 11th, 2015:


  106. 106 D3FB said at 10:22 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    2013: Played in 12 games and started in nine (three at cornerback and
    six at safety). 2012: Played in 13 games and started in 11. 2011: Played
    in 13 games and started in eight. 2010: Played in 10 games, playing
    mostly as a gunner on punt returns. High school: Played quarterback and
    cornerback. Ran track and advanced to state championships in the
    400-meter relay.

    He actually played and started alot.

    He doesn’t turn 23 until the end of November.

  107. 107 Gary Barnes said at 9:10 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Samuel was a very good CB, nothing to be ashamed of having his jersey IMO.

  108. 108 lcwboyboy said at 9:22 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Yeah, I actually liked him but I know most Eagles fans don’t.

  109. 109 Anders said at 9:27 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Samuel was one of the best CBs for a few years, Samuel was just not a good run defender and couldnt play in a press scheme

  110. 110 GEAGLE said at 10:07 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Sammuel was basically what Boykin has to strive to become, only Boykin is a little tougher against the run..
    Boykin is suited to play a similar style as Assante, but neither corner is suited to play press on the outside.. Which is why a cover 2 team like the steelers valued him enough to give up a 4th round pick
    Different corners are suited to play in different schemes.. In our scheme he is much better suited to play inside…but he is suited for a bigger role in the Steelers scheme… Even tho he made dumb comments on the way out, I’m still rooting for the kid. He is in the AFC, and he gets a chance to play the role he wanted… Good for hm….this was a rare trade that worked out for all parties… But personally, I would have preferred to keep him for the year and lose him for nothing in free agency.
    I doubt we sigń many new free agents next year because,we have so many of yoûng players we have to extend, so if we don’t sign any free agents, but lose a kid like boykin to a team like the steelers that would value him as a starter, we could have ended up getting a compensatory pick close to the 4th rd pick the steelers are going to owe us…the ONE positive is if you are a Jaylen Watkins fan, keeping Boykin could have stunted another year of his growth… With Boykin gone, this is a great opportunity for Jaylen to step up and develop into the kid we spent an early 4th Rd pick on..

  111. 111 Anders said at 2:28 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    Regarding Boykin, in some way, I want him to fail, just so all the ass hats will shut up, but I think he will be a great cover 2 CB

  112. 112 Bert's Bells said at 9:49 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Absolutely. He did exactly what he was brought here to do.

    Sure he may have been “overpaid”, but that’s what happens in free agency -especially at CB.

  113. 113 CrackSammich said at 9:18 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I’ve got a Nnamdi jersey because it was $10 new. I pretended for a brief minute that it was a Fletcher jersey. Now I just pretend I don’t have a jersey.

  114. 114 lcwboyboy said at 9:22 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I think they gave that number to Ryan Matthews so you’re moving up in the world. I guess patience pays off sometimes.

  115. 115 Ben Hert said at 12:55 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Welcome to the Chip Kelly era, I guess.

  116. 116 CrackSammich said at 2:21 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    It’s not Chip’s fault I’m embarrassed to be associated with Bradley Fletcher.

  117. 117 Tumtum said at 9:55 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Asante was a very good cb for us… Great jersey to own

  118. 118 Ray888 said at 12:26 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    60% down to 40% and most likely even less this year with more flexibility with LB’ers and secondary.

  119. 119 GEAGLE said at 9:56 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Has anyone seen any reports on how the Eagles are going to treat JaCorey Shepard in terms of a roster spot?
    If I’m not mistaken, if the Eagles DONT want injured JaCorey to count as a roster spot, we have to expose him to waivers where a team can steal him from us if they really beleve in his talent…. In today’s sports, a first ACL injury is not the big deal it used to be a decade ago, and after the Browns stole Jordan Poyer from us who they still value, I’d hate to see someone else steal JaCorey from us…. Probably prefer to Sacrafice a roster spot rather then risk losing him

  120. 120 RichC #culturables said at 9:59 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    What’s the objection to simply IR’ing him?

  121. 121 sonofdman said at 10:05 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I think the rule is that prior to the first cutdown date (when the roster is cut down to 75 players), if you want to put a player on IR, he must first be put through waivers. Traditionally, teams let other teams do this without poaching players, but in recent years there has been a number of times in which another team (usually the Patriots) claimed a player on waivers that a team was trying to put on IR.

    So if the Eagles want to be sure they do not lose Shepard they need to keep him on the 90 man roster until the first cutdown date and then they can put him on IR. I am guessing that they will sacrifice the roster spot because it is not worth the risk of another team stealing Shepard.

  122. 122 GEAGLE said at 10:10 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Thanks for clearing it up.. I agree, eat the Roster spot. no point in letting some team poach him from us. it’s not like we have a płethera of late round corners that we hit on… Especially since,there seems to be a pretty signifcant DISCREPENCY between JaCoreys talent and Randall Evans who seems destined for the Practice squad.

  123. 123 D3FB said at 10:18 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Yea Patriots got Ty Gaffney from Carolina last year this way.

    It’s really rare to see happen, but he’s gotten some attention from national guys, may as well keep him as the 90th man for another few weeks, and then IR him.

  124. 124 peteike said at 11:16 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    made me recall Jabar Gaffney

  125. 125 sonofdman said at 10:07 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Nice observation. This is probably why it has been announced that Shepard tore his ACL and is out for the year, but there has not been an announcement that he has been put on IR.

  126. 126 GEAGLE said at 10:22 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Stephan A smith is ripping chip kelly again right now saying the people who defend chip are getting on his nerves… I can’t believe what this blowhard is saying on TV right now…. Please take this p.atform away from this irresponsible blowhard.. This type of racial trash shouldn’t be shoved down my throat on a sports station… I can’t stomach this clown

  127. 127 TypicalDouche said at 10:30 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Unfortunately that’s the point of him and Idiot Bayless being on tv to say the dumbest things for entertainment purposes. They have no sources and just spew nonsense after nonsense.

  128. 128 peteike said at 11:07 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    you got it, the more inflammatory (even without anything to back it up) the better

  129. 129 Tumtum said at 3:13 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    Why let logic, intelligence , or morality get in the way of shouting SAT words that really don’t apply?

  130. 130 eagleyankfan said at 10:48 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I never turn that clown — even before CK he was an ass.

  131. 131 James said at 10:24 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    So Nelson had this to say about Bradford:

    “It’s a receiver-friendly ball,” “He puts balls in a position where guys can always pluck them. It’s a ball that comes with a great spiral, not so much heat but it’s very accurate and it has good speed behind it. And it looks good coming out of his hand. That’s my definition of a receiver-friendly ball. The quarterback throws it, it’s comfortable coming out of his hands and you can see it all the way through.”

    So the Rams receivers were really that bad or Agholor isn’t correct on exactly how fast he can sling it.

  132. 132 eagleyankfan said at 10:48 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    He never had time to throw when with the Rams…

  133. 133 James said at 1:46 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    “never” – thats a bold statement. If you look at the video where Bradford threw 15+ yards to his WRs there were an insane amount of drops. It seemed like a combination of high velocity throws mixed with bad receivers. Agholor is saying that he doesnt throw a heat seeking missile throw so here is to hoping our WRs catch his.

  134. 134 Tumtum said at 3:15 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    He did make some suspect guys look pretty good there. Clayton…ammendola .. That’s it.

  135. 135 Avery Greene said at 10:40 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    LOL – More and more I really think Jerry’s tampering didn’t pay off. I seriously think they thought they were getting Peterson this offseason.

  136. 136 GEAGLE said at 11:02 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    “We thought that Randle and McFadden together could re-create Demarco for us”-Jerruh… LOL GOOD LUCK WITH THAT HEE Haw, Hee Haw…
    McFadden has barely practiced because both his hamstrings hurt, dude has the weakest soft Tissues ever,,.Fragile wimp needs to switch to “2 ply”
    Now dallas is saying Randle is banged up and might not play for them on Thursday
    And if I’m not mistaken Hasnt their #3 RB also been dealing with injuries? Not only do their RBs SUCK, but they are also fragile.
    Joseph Randle better take some preseason reps.. He is going to find that playing in the NFL will be a completely different game then it was last year. no one respected him last year. Teams were happy when Murray needed a breather.. Last year Murrays presence got Randle used to playing the game averaging 7 yards per carry! Lol that Doesmt exactky prepare you very well for life as a #1 back,. It’s safe to say that he won’t be getting anything like the looks he got last year when he was getting 7 yards per carry.. Facing defenses will be a night and day difference compared to what he faced last year… It’s safe to say they wanted AP when they even put his name on their website which is blatant tampering…they didn’t get a RB in the draft…. And now Jerry will reduce himself to a bum, digging thru the trash to find a RB that gets cut lol……
    The one year these idiots committed to the run, they had their best season in a decade.. Instead of BUILDING on that new blueprint for success, and improving the run game or at least adequately replacing Murray, they have managed to significantly weaken their rushiñg Attack, which should lead to them asking too much of Romo, which we all know Doesmt end well for Dallas.
    I can’t wait to see who they pick up off waivers lol… Bryce Brown keeps fumbling, he had lke 3 last week and has been demoted down the depth chart, now behind a 5th round pick… If he doesn’t stop fumbling he is going to get cut… It would be q DREAM for Jerry to pick up Bryce Brown, and allow our gritty beastly front 7 to play against a RB Tney know is susceptible to fumbling… Fingers crossed Bryce Brown becomes a cowboy!!!!
    Lol signing Trent Richardson might be better then what Dallas has.
    We have 3 RBs, and all 3 of them are better then anything Dallas has lol
    the Eagles defense had more sacks then every defense except the top rated Bills…if Dallas will need Romo to carry them, instead of letting romo be a game manager, that will provide more opportunities to our Nasty Front 7 that will be even better then the front 7 we saw last year, to drill Romo in his bionic Back…. I loved the memory of Romo being scared to death of our pass rush on Thanksgving, seeng Ghosts and diving n the ground in the pocket waiving the white flag because he is so afraid of our pass rush… can’t wait to see what our Defense does to the dallas pffense This year…. Probably not a’good idea to make Cox, Bennie Logan and the Gamg feel disrespected by flying a plane ocher our PRactive… Wish I could teleport to week 2 against Dallas right now
    WEEK 2 vs Dallas NEEDS to be the Most Physical Brand of football the eagles have played in YEARS!… Wear their defense down with our tempo and physicak punishing Runners hitting defenders at the end of every play, while our Front puts on a show against the Dallas OL dominating them AGAIN!

  137. 137 Avery Greene said at 11:09 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    How good is that offensive line going to look without a RB? I think people will learn that it takes two to tango.

  138. 138 GEAGLE said at 11:29 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    It’s going to look good against the lessor defense… It’s going to run into a Brick wall when they are asked to go up against the Front 7’s of
    When you face Elite Defensive Lines like the Eagles, and Bills, your offensive line if you are lucky, will be able to hang with our DL, but our DL will command attention.. Even the Cowboys won’t block Marcel Dareus of Bennie logan, Cox, Donkey Kong Suh with 1 man all game… Their OL may be good enough to hang with the DLs they face, but then it will be up to the Runningback to be able to beat the linebackers….and asking Randle to shake free of Kiko,Kemdricks,Jenkins, Meco all game is just silly…
    There is No way the Dallas OL can handle our DL AND LB’s man to man across the board all game.. Our DL protects our LBs as well as any in the league.. And allowing Kiko to fly around untouched, next to KEndricks where you see those plays where it looks like Kemdricks was shot out of a cannon is going to be so So Nasty!
    You can bet Randle is not going to enjoy playing against Kiko and KEndricks flying around untouched…. The Dallas OL is good enough to make Randle look good against the bad or average defensive fronts.. But when they face the ELITE front 7s, the RB will have to beat out LB on his own at times… And I sure as hell wouldnt bet on Randle consistently making Kiko or KEndricks miss, or running them over… jerry Jones put himself in position to take that Gamble, and he is going to pay the price,..
    What makes it so crazy is they finally ran the ball, but Romo in a game manager role and it actually worked for them, and the next year they revert to this? Asking Romo to carry them again? maybe you believe in Joseph Randle, but come on, pair him with somethng ng more decent then McFadden…I can’t believe what Dallas did to its run game..

  139. 139 HawaiianEagle said at 11:14 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Don’t forget, there was plenty of meat on them bones last year, too.

  140. 140 peteike said at 11:06 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    that sounds like Ray Rice to me

  141. 141 Avery Greene said at 11:10 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they dust him off and bring him in.

  142. 142 LongDing said at 11:08 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    in the last year of the Andy Reid era, 68% of the players on the Eagles were black, whereas with Chip Kelly, 51% are black.

  143. 143 peteike said at 11:10 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    oh look the attention seeker is back

  144. 144 D3FB said at 11:10 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Also known as a majority.

    Facts are hard.

    If you’re going to troll, please do it at a level where the #banter is at least amusing.

  145. 145 Avery Greene said at 11:13 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Okay tough guy. Can you name me one position where he replaced a black player with a lesser white player?


    Please return to whatever slimy rock from which you came.

  146. 146 LongDing said at 11:20 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Riley Cooper and Desean Jackson? Are you that dumb?

  147. 147 TypicalDouche said at 11:22 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    No you’re that dumb they were on the roster at the same time Cooper was promoted. And he is on the verge of being demoted by “black receivers”

  148. 148 Avery Greene said at 11:24 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Had to step away from my desk for a moment but thanks for doing all the same responses I would have done!

  149. 149 TypicalDouche said at 11:26 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    I got your back AG. It’s fun responding to people who are oblivious to actual facts.

  150. 150 CrackSammich said at 11:27 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Maclin replaced Jackson. Agholor will, presumably, replace Maclin.

    This argument was tired last year when Cafone brought it up, and he wasn’t even trying to imply racism.

  151. 151 LongDing said at 11:32 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Maclin didnt replace Jackson. They were both starters until Maclin went down. You white people are so racist.

  152. 152 TypicalDouche said at 11:34 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Maclin didn’t play in Jackson’s last year here because of injury so yes he actually did replace him. And how do you know who here is white or black? Please answer that question so I can really school you idiot. My mother is black and in no way do I see any racism here or in Chip Kelly.

  153. 153 Avery Greene said at 11:36 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Since I’m not white, I guess this doesn’t apply to me. Maybe you’re just an idiot.

  154. 154 LongDing said at 12:01 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    You are an Uncle Tom!

  155. 155 Avery Greene said at 12:02 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    No, I’m an Uncle Avery. Thomas or Tom doesn’t appear on my driver’s license or other identifying documents.

  156. 156 P_P_K said at 12:34 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Second time you’ve put that crap out on someone. It ain’t right! Might not matter to you, but I’m done responding. In mental health, we call it “putting someone on extinction.” Might be time for the Moderator to step in.

  157. 157 LongDing said at 12:44 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    You’re an Uncle Tom too you old geeser!!!!

  158. 158 LongDing said at 11:21 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Kiko Alonso and Lesean McCoy.

  159. 159 TypicalDouche said at 11:22 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Kiko is a beast and Shady is replaced by the current rising champion. Last time I checked a LB can’t replace a RB.

  160. 160 D3FB said at 11:25 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Additionally Kiko is Latino.

    Puerto Rican father, Colombian mother

  161. 161 Avery Greene said at 11:26 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Let’s not bring too many facts into this. LongDing might get confused.

  162. 162 TypicalDouche said at 11:29 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Forgot to bring up his Spanish heritage thanks for reminding me D3.He also lived in Puerto Rico for a portion of his life.

  163. 163 Bert's Bells said at 11:26 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Imaginary LB and Kiko Alonzo.


  164. 164 LongDing said at 11:33 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Kiko who hasn’t even practice yet. Yeah he is the second coming of Stewart Bradley.

  165. 165 TypicalDouche said at 11:36 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    He hasn’t practiced?. He was at every practice prior to the concussion so get your facts straight.

  166. 166 LongDing said at 11:21 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Brandon Boykin and …nobody – does that count as white? Damn you are owned bro.

  167. 167 TypicalDouche said at 11:23 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Jaylen Watkins = Black. You moron are the one that is owned.

  168. 168 Avery Greene said at 11:25 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Not to mention it seemed Shepherd had the inside track to the job. Rice is black as well.

  169. 169 Bert's Bells said at 11:25 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    U R p0w3d brah!

  170. 170 anon said at 1:03 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Dude QB, obvi

  171. 171 xmbk said at 3:05 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Lesson number one in having a pet troll – don’t ever take it serious.

  172. 172 TypicalDouche said at 11:13 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    And in the last year of the Reid Era the Eagles were 4-12 soo what does race have to do with trying to improve the roster?

  173. 173 LongDing said at 11:34 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    So it’s okay to hate a race as long as you win? You must have family from the South. You racist piece of garbage.

  174. 174 Avery Greene said at 11:37 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    Hmmm so you’d rather lose with more black players, than win with more white players? And you think Chip is racist?

  175. 175 TypicalDouche said at 11:38 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    haha I’m half black you fucking moron and educated at that unlike you. Chup has signed or drafted plenty of black players and the players he likes the most are black like Peters, Ryans, Jenkins, gave big money to Maxwell and Murray and the last 3 receivers he drafted are black.

  176. 176 LongDing said at 12:00 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    You are a damn Uncle Tom!

  177. 177 TypicalDouche said at 12:08 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    haha uncle Tom that’s hilarious.. and you are just a compete and utter idiot and honestly are most likely a little bitch living with mommy and has no clue what he speaks of. It’s ok that you are really dumb that comes from parenting so I blame them for the retard you became.

  178. 178 xmbk said at 3:04 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Don’t feed the troll.

  179. 179 P_P_K said at 12:31 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Ain’t right to throw that around, my friend. Stay away from that. Keep it respectful or go find another place to post.

  180. 180 Bert's Bells said at 11:43 AM on August 11th, 2015:

    The South lost with white people too.

  181. 181 botto said at 12:01 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    lesean? I knew it was you.
    don’t be mad because its going to be cold in buffalo.
    rex is a great coach, you’ll be fine

  182. 182 HawaiianEagle said at 12:10 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Since we are making sh!t up – In the last week (the ding era), 68% of your comments are dumb and 51% of your comments are groundless.

  183. 183 botto said at 12:28 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    wait, why do you hate white people so much?
    are you a racialist?

  184. 184 OregonDucker said at 12:01 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    CK says Death Rowe will get a chance at nickle. Shep not going to be on waiver wire.

    Hope Rowe makes it. This D is going to be fun to watch.

  185. 185 Avery Greene said at 12:03 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Good news all around. Thing is, if Rowe gets good at the nickel and is still learning the outside – is he our S of the future?

  186. 186 OregonDucker said at 12:04 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    He’s versatile with a capital “V”. Could be either CB or S of the future.

  187. 187 OregonDucker said at 12:12 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Marc Anthony, new CB from Ravens; starts today with Boykin’s #22. Draft profile compares him to Bradley Fletcher – let’s hope its wrong.

  188. 188 Avery Greene said at 12:29 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I didn’t know J Lo’s husband was playing football. He can sing, dance, and now cover WRs.

  189. 189 TypicalDouche said at 12:34 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Chip sure loves versatility. So while at practice Marc can do all the practicing and sing on the loud speaker.

  190. 190 P_P_K said at 12:35 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    J Lo? I thought he was married to Cleopatra.

  191. 191 tomw said at 12:43 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    And their trip to Rome was a real show stopper.

  192. 192 GEAGLE said at 12:49 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    He looks like a chihuahua on heroin

  193. 193 HawaiianEagle said at 12:34 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    From the Ravens – let’s hope he doesn’t appreciate the aesthetic value of a finely crafted sconce…

  194. 194 Ray888 said at 12:17 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    From what we know, CK wants his defense to present the same look to the opposing QB every time, if possible. He doesn’t want the QB to know the defense called as soon as he approaches the line of scrimmage. If you bring in a 5’9″ to play the slot, there is no guess work for the QB; the QB identifies the “nickel” immediately and calls the plays they have been practicing against it all week. These plays are intended to beat the “nickel” no matter how good the “nickel” CB is; advantage offense. This is not the scheme CK wants to put on the field.

  195. 195 Avery Greene said at 12:36 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    This is the stuff I like to see, and dammit I can’t wait to see our running game this year.

  196. 196 GEAGLE said at 12:48 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Each run play should end with Murray or Mathews delivering Blows to the defenders… Our run game was great with Shady, but it’s safe to say we are significantly upgrading the physicality of our run game… Our tempo alone wore defenses down, I can’t imagine how much more we can wear defenses now that we are adding physical, punishing running style to our tempo attack..
    After the Eagles pick up two first downs and defenders start sucking wind, it’s going to suck having to tackle a fresh explosive 230lb backup..,
    We are going from a great finesse run game to hopefully a great physical punishing run game… The added physicality should contribute to wearing down defenders til they look like JJ Watt, sucking wind, begging for a substitute.
    Becoming more physical is always a good thing… Going from a Finesse run game to a violent style of running should make for a fun season… Protect Bradford using the run game tonight not expose him to hits more then we need to, and get out young new starting lineman going and let them build some confidence (all lineman like to run block more then pass blocking)

  197. 197 Avery Greene said at 12:58 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I’m a fan of a punishing run game with a great defense. The only element we need to make sure we have now is a QB that is both accurate and mistake free (for the most part).

  198. 198 GEAGLE said at 1:06 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    If we don’t turn the ball over, we should be tough to out score,.
    This is a dumb question and I wish I didn’t have to ask this but inexplicably we happen to find the only QBs who don’t understand how the fall on their ass and slide. So, anyone know if Bradford knows how to slide?.., it would be a step in the right direction to finally have a QB that knows how to fall in his ass to protect himself..I want so desperately for Sam to stay healthy and see what he is really capable of

  199. 199 Avery Greene said at 1:07 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Lets hope so. At worst, he should be able to get rid of the ball faster than the previous ones. I can’t wait to see him in game action.

  200. 200 TypicalDouche said at 1:16 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Only a few more days until you can get your sample of that. Too excited myself.

  201. 201 GEAGLE said at 1:17 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    If we have ANOTHER QB who doesn’t know how to slide and protect himself, then I give up!! All these years I see ever other QB run around, gain yards and slide to protect himself coming away unscathed at the end of the run and it’s so damn frustrating for defenders.. Yet when our QBs slide, they look about as graceful as a grand piano falling out of a 3rd story window… Someone should make a highlight video of all the “attempted slides” by eagle QBs the past couple years… Vick was a mess, ever time it was something else.. Bless Foles Heart but his slides would look like crash landings…. Nothing more frustrating then watching Rogers or Wilson burn you.with their legs and then cleanly gracefully slide and get up untouched while we lose QBs to injury for weeks because they dive head first to the ground like morons
    I don’t ask for much, simple things… I don’t know that I can take another QB that doesn’t know how to slide and protect himself

  202. 202 Ben said at 12:53 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Thanks Tommy, always enjoy reading your take on everything Eagles.

    I was on PE.COM today and saw we just signed a CB.

    I found this youtube video of this kid and he seems pretty solid.
    This was from a game against Standford and it just so happens to feature a play where Etrz catches a pass and delivers a nice hit against Anthony.
    You gotta love Ertz and I really like this bottom of the roster churning by Chip.
    Take a look and enjoy.

  203. 203 TypicalDouche said at 1:01 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Ed Kracz @kracze

    Marcus Smith flattens Dennis Kelly with bull rush in 1/1 OL vs DL drills. #Eagles
    1m ago

    We have a Marcus Smith sighting!!.. Hopefully this can continue.

  204. 204 anon said at 1:03 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Marcus Smith flattens Dennis Kelly…if a tree falls in a forest.

  205. 205 b3nz0z said at 1:10 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    i hope this is part of a new tradition of “bust” pass rushers going elite after a year or two.

  206. 206 eagleyankfan said at 1:40 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    not even a preseason game yet and we’ve already have two elite players in MS and Bradford(above). Can’t get too high or too low on a player. Hoping we have animals in the making….

  207. 207 TypicalDouche said at 1:42 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Denzel Rice hopefully can be that darkhorse that comes up huge unexpectedly.

  208. 208 b3nz0z said at 2:07 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    no i’m hoping with you (“going elite” was re: BG and even he isn’t a sure thing yet). as for bradford, i am having a hard time not getting excited – he’s the best QB i’ve seen in eagles training camp in at least 11 years. nothing is certain, but there is more reason for optimism this year than in the last few.

  209. 209 peteike said at 1:59 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    easy fellas, its Dennis Kelly here

  210. 210 GEAGLE said at 1:08 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    No worries.. maaaaarcus Daaaaaarling is Coming!!! Hide your wives, Children and QBs!!! Kid looked violent last time I saw him.. Put a devilish grin on my face

  211. 211 b3nz0z said at 1:30 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    BUST (jk)

  212. 212 sonofdman said at 1:33 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Maybe Marcus should focus on going after QBs for now. Once he has mastered that he can start worrying about going after people’s wives and children.

  213. 213 CrackSammich said at 2:29 PM on August 11th, 2015:

  214. 214 MattE said at 2:55 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    …i read that real quick and my mind went to Tennessee hahahahah!

  215. 215 Avery Greene said at 1:20 PM on August 11th, 2015:

  216. 216 GEAGLE said at 1:31 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Hahahahahah Geno smith out 2-3 months because one of his teammates broke his jaw in a locker room fight…, get your shit together Todd Bowles

  217. 217 Avery Greene said at 1:32 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Wow. Just Wow. This is beyond idiotic.

  218. 218 GEAGLE said at 1:38 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I could t make this shit up!
    I want to know which of his teammates broke their QBs jaw? lol who does Perxy Harvin play for?
    This sucks, I wanted to play against Geno, who is their back up? Bryce Petty?
    This is incredible… cam Newton swinging on his teammates yesterday… What a bunch of baboons..
    The skins tried to keep up with us and have joint practices with the Texans but they couldn’t even get out of their way having 5 fights and a Brawl in like 10 minutes..
    bare in went on Mike and Mike this morning called Cam Newtob an idiot and said Eagles don’t fight each other, we know chip isn’t having that.. And cited him punishing Cary Williams for fighting the Parriots at joint practice..
    Todd Bowles, get your shit together
    Ron Rivera Get your shit together
    Jay Gruden… get your shit together
    But we have the college coach? lol ok…

  219. 219 anon said at 1:43 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    no name lb who is now a free agent

  220. 220 botto said at 1:32 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    wholly crap really? that’s gnarly.

  221. 221 GEAGLE said at 1:39 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    “Geno smith was sucker punched in locker room” lol

  222. 222 Bert's Bells said at 1:53 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Ladies and gentlemen, your newest Dallas Cowboy!

  223. 223 ACViking said at 6:02 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Yes . . . that sure is funny.

  224. 224 Avery Greene said at 1:31 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I’m so excited about this season.

  225. 225 TypicalDouche said at 1:33 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Ok AG you are forcing me to stay in my seat at work with these posts, I can’t walk around with a slight chub in my pants so please calm down. lol All jokes aside its great to hear these things about Bradford

  226. 226 Avery Greene said at 1:36 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I know. I’m sitting at work on two machines. One for these posts and the other to work.

  227. 227 TypicalDouche said at 1:40 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Got the same thing going on here labtop for Eagles news and desktop for the work I am not getting done

  228. 228 OregonDucker said at 1:36 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    We need to see Sam under fire by a good D. I suspect he will be fearful in the pocket at first. Then, when he knows his OL and RB have his back, he will start to calm down.

  229. 229 TypicalDouche said at 1:39 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    The joint practices with the Ravens should provide a good test. Suggs & Dumervil off the edges, Jernigen the interior pass rusher, damn this will be a good test for the oline as well.

  230. 230 Avery Greene said at 1:45 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I think the Colts should provide a decent test too.

  231. 231 TypicalDouche said at 1:51 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Ehh I the Colts defense doesn’t scare me one bit. Outside of Davis at CB they don’t really have much. Adams is a good safety, I love Trent but Peters will own him. They actually will be a good test for Bradford and whoever lines up against Davis.

  232. 232 anon said at 2:06 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    T. Cole, also what about Mathis?

  233. 233 TypicalDouche said at 2:12 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Well there is multiple things with Mathis. 34 year old, coming off and achilles’ tear, had a set back in recovery, and is questionable for not just the season opener but for part of the season. So he wont be there for when they meet the Eags and on top of it I don’t see him being who he was pre injury.

  234. 234 eagleyankfan said at 1:34 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Just listened to the presser. Love listening to CK talk. He puts stupid questions(or stupid people) in their place where appropriate. Like his comment — yes after 1 week of practice, we know who we’re putting there. LOL. He’s insightful and it’s great that his answers are complete and in detail. He lists all the positions Cox can play. Most other coaches would simply say “Cox can play anywhere”. It’s also kind of amazing on how he knows all the players dimensions and ratings. There is no(and never will be) and interviewer who will out fox him with questions. Impossible. Now — just translate all that into a SB and rename the streets to Chip Kelly Way.

  235. 235 eagleyankfan said at 1:42 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Are they still using those ‘flags’ that Vick use to hit all the time? I haven’t noticed any in the videos I’ve seen.

  236. 236 GEAGLE said at 1:45 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    You mean the fly Swatters? They still use them

  237. 237 eagleyankfan said at 1:46 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Yes those! LOL. Thanks.
    Nelson Aggie lining up with the 1’s today. I know, rotation and reps, but good to hear…

  238. 238 MattE said at 2:51 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    i’ve heard his named butchered so much this year so far lol.

    My roommate was calling him Nelson Akbar lol

  239. 239 Brett Smith said at 1:47 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    wow. I got nothing for this…

    Very happy Chipper believes in #culture right now

  240. 240 TypicalDouche said at 1:53 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I know I am a real douchebag but I don’t think I have ever gotten to the point where someone really felt the need to sucker punch me. Geno must be at all time levels of asshole-ness. Yes I just made that word up lol.

  241. 241 botto said at 2:18 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I would think its the other guy that is the a-hole

  242. 242 TypicalDouche said at 2:21 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I agree, my post was just a failed attempt at a joke towards Smith.

  243. 243 CrackSammich said at 2:24 PM on August 11th, 2015:


  244. 244 TypicalDouche said at 2:24 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I guess.

  245. 245 botto said at 2:26 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    typicaldouche.. haha

  246. 246 TypicalDouche said at 2:26 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I have to keep up with the name and rep lol

  247. 247 sonofdman said at 4:03 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    That is an amazing username.

  248. 248 TypicalDouche said at 6:21 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Thank you sir.

  249. 249 Michael Winter Cho said at 2:21 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    People have, they just can’t reach through the screen.

  250. 250 TypicalDouche said at 2:24 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    That’s cool with me.

  251. 251 Avery Greene said at 2:35 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I think I’ve disagreed with you about some things, but I don’t ever think I’ve gotten to the point where I flat out disrespect you to the point I’m trolling the whole board.

    That dude is an Internet tough guy, because it’s anonymous and he doesn’t have to stand behind his words. Like Stephen A Smith, but through the web.

  252. 252 TypicalDouche said at 2:37 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Is that a reference to me? I do not think I am an internet tough guy at all.

  253. 253 Avery Greene said at 2:41 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Not at all, but you can’t respond to more than one person. This was in reference to our new “troll” on the board. As much as I don’t like him, I don’t think I’d sucker punch him, or that it would even get to that point.
    Just kind of bringing everything full circle. My mind works in crazy ways.

  254. 254 TypicalDouche said at 2:43 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I hear ya AG

  255. 255 sonofdman said at 4:03 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    The good thing about idiot trolls is they bring us all together! Feel the love!

  256. 256 Michael Winter Cho said at 2:59 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Trolls leave after time, and sooner if they aren’t fed. The only person whose screen I actually want to reach through is GE’s, and that’s to disconnect his keyboard. The poor thing is probably just about worn out.

  257. 257 RogerPodacter said at 2:14 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    dude broke his jaw in TWO places. needs surgery. out 6-10 weeks. must have been a hell of a punch.

  258. 258 Avery Greene said at 2:18 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Note to self: NEVER piss off an NFL player

  259. 259 MattE said at 2:50 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Side note: Steve Smith is retiring after the season…. no other guy I would want in a bar fight with me than barely 6′ Steve Smith Sr.!

    ……although the Andre Johnson pummeling of Cortland Finnegan was impressive.

  260. 260 Brett Smith said at 3:44 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I was just getting ready to mention old smitty…

  261. 261 peteike said at 4:44 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    always one for the random training camp fight, if I recall he had several

  262. 262 b3nz0z said at 2:22 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    i mean it doesn’t take much if you aren’t braced for it.

  263. 263 Brett Smith said at 2:22 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I bet Bill Romanowski thinks that was excessive…

  264. 264 Patrick said at 3:15 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    When Aldon Smith got arrested, I commented something about thinking that this whole character thing, sometimes has gone too far in the NFL. Basically if a guy isn’t a deity reborn and spends his time solely doing football and charity, he’ll get something negative about character written in the draft proces.

    Then you read about Aldon Smith and praise Chip for the whole #culture thing.

    This is another one of those instances. Jesus, I dont know how I would react. I understand that this was probably some freak accident and player scuffles happen every day, but holy crap, the most important player on their roster will miss games because of this. And truly, can anyone imagine that this would happen under Chip, or even under Andy?

    Maybe the character thing has gone overboard, but its nice to have your locker room under freaking control, and at least to some extend be a cohesive unit with one goal. Chip has our guys buying in to what he’s trying to achieve, not getting arrested for the 6th time, breaking each others jaws with sucker punches or starting fights to get out of practice early. #culture!

  265. 265 Michael Winter Cho said at 3:35 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Could I imagine that a naked TO would pick up Donovan and body slam him in the locker room? Yes, I imagine that could have happened.

  266. 266 GEAGLE said at 1:53 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I don’t even know how to feel as a fan if the 85th guy on our roster who would get cut a week from now, sucker punched Bradford and our starting QB is stuck with his jaw wired having to eat thru a straw
    For 3 months?
    Wow.. I can’t even wrap my head around this. You sucker punched the starting QB? What? Like WTF is wrong with you. You are a fringe player and you just
    Committed career suicide. Who the hell will ever give you a shot again on the roster after you attacked the jets starting QB and he is now lost for 3 months a few weeks away From the season… NFL players have done some very stupid things before, but this has to be top 5 most stupid acts by a football player in the history of the game… Todd Bowles is a first year coach, he jad that organizations buzzing, Grno was allegedly starting to play well. And some practice player did this to the Jets? I wonder if the offensive lineman jumped on that dude after he hit their QB?

  267. 267 Avery Greene said at 1:55 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    As Bert said earlier, he should be a Cowboy by the end of the week.

  268. 268 GEAGLE said at 2:05 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    That dude will never cash an NFL pay check again,,,

  269. 269 b3nz0z said at 2:16 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    it’s geno’s fault. he should have kept his red jersey on in the bathroom.

  270. 270 RogerPodacter said at 2:16 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    *conspiracy theory*
    what if he was a goon hired by the coaching staff to sucker punch geno so they wouldn’t have to play him for a while?

  271. 271 Brett Smith said at 2:24 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Was it Petty?

  272. 272 sonofdman said at 4:00 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Probably – stuff like this is never over anything important.

    (BTW, I did know that you were talking about Bryce Petty).

  273. 273 Brett Smith said at 4:06 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Sorry — I meant that Petty was in on the #conspiracy_theory a la Tonya Harding

  274. 274 sonofdman said at 4:10 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I know – just taking advantage of his name to make a bad joke.

  275. 275 Brett Smith said at 4:13 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Ha ha ha… man I missed that one. Geno didn’t.

  276. 276 GEAGLE said at 2:26 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Lol Geno was actually starting to play well allegedly.. lol Ryan Fitzpatrick could have went the Tonya Harding route and put a hit out on his competition, now Fitzpatrick gets to plAy with his old coordinator Chan Gailey throwing to Dekker and Marshall
    This is Genos 3rd year, make or break season for him in New York, he was starting to play well, this interrupts the continuity and momentum he was picking up. Now he has to sit for over two months and hope he can come in cold around week 5 and play well enough to make the Jets pick up the option on his contract? This is horrible for Genos jets career,.. If there is a conspiracy, Fotzpatrik or Bryce Petty are my main suspects..
    Rex Ryan and Bill Belichek must be on the ground laughing,,

  277. 277 OregonDucker said at 1:57 PM on August 11th, 2015:


  278. 278 Brett Smith said at 2:25 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Rex Ryan is laughing his arse off…

  279. 279 anon said at 2:06 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    can’t imagine what that fight was about

  280. 280 Tdoteaglefan said at 2:23 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Dollars to donuts a woman was involved

    Todd bowles said that it was “not football related”

    wonder if chan gailey put a hit on Geno to get his boy fitzpatrick to play. It sounds ridiculous but these are the Jets we’re talking about.

    I cant think of another team outside of the browns that would have this type of situation


  281. 281 GEAGLE said at 2:28 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Nah he said very childish, something 6th graders could have talked about… I’m sure we will find out when all the players get interviewed after practIce… Geno won’t be able to speak with a broken jaw

  282. 282 anon said at 2:34 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    fantastic 4 movie

  283. 283 RogerPodacter said at 2:15 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    geno was allegedly starting to play well….. allegedly.

  284. 284 b3nz0z said at 2:15 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    oh. my. god.

  285. 285 botto said at 2:17 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    cant the guy get arrested for this?

  286. 286 GEAGLE said at 2:19 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I assume so.. It’s pretty much assault.
    This idiot is never getting a shot again in the NFL and he has to go out into the real world with this, and an arrest in college for assualting a police officer on his resume… Good luck in the real world kid… Friggin animal

  287. 287 botto said at 2:20 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    he’ll be in the penal system in not too long

  288. 288 b3nz0z said at 2:21 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    how does someone take that big of a crap on their own future

  289. 289 GEAGLE said at 2:31 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Mind boggling! Even if he never played In the NFL he could make money as a camp body for the next 3 summers.., you have a better chance at beating your girlfriend and getting a 2nd chance then breaking the jaw of the starting QB that was writing your check… I really don’t understand how you can be so self destructive

  290. 290 b3nz0z said at 2:33 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    i hadn’t even thought about the hardy/rice dynamic but it’s pretty sick – who you hit matters, and what kind of stats you put up matter, in terms of how “unacceptable” your actions are.

  291. 291 GEAGLE said at 9:47 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    If Geno smith didn’t hit him, Geno can press chargers for assualt if he chooses

  292. 292 GEAGLE said at 2:16 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Chip spoke about our Nickel situation..praised Jayken Watkins, and said that Watkins, Biggers and now Eric Rowe will compete for the Nickel spot… If they are moving Rowe into the nickel completion, I assume Denzel Rice is strictly taking outside reps……Jaylen Watkins needs to be watched closely in the preseason, curious to see how much playing time Rowe sees in the slot during the colts game, that will tell us how serious they are about Rowe competing for the nickel spot..
    Couplin is out with an injury til Monday, so we won’t see him in the colts game which sucks, but Wolff should get plenty of game time..
    Kiko hasn’t passed the concussion protocol yet, but he hasnt been ruled out
    For Colts game either,
    Chip also claims that Thurmond has Forced the most turnovers this summer and that he seems to always be around the ball,. I’m very excited to get a look at our starting DBs.., but I’m also hoping to get to see a lot of Wolff, Rowe, Watkins and Rice in the Colts game… And Taylor Hart with the DL

  293. 293 b3nz0z said at 2:21 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    dude if Hart can truly contribute off the bench this year . . . man that would be huge.

  294. 294 GEAGLE said at 2:43 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I really liked him in college and he is a kid that came to us already having two gap experience.. Hart is going to make the team, what I’m waiting to see is will Hart take Bair’s roster spot, or will we keep Hart as a 7th DL and not dress one every week?… Bair can play, but our DL has been sturdy and durable, but there is precedent for keeping 7 DL’s,.. We kept 7 in 2013, which cut down to 6 later when we traded away Sopoaga..

    I do NOT want to cut Bair. He is cheap and he can play. Also blocked a kick on ST… I was pleasantly surprised with “papa Bair’s” game

  295. 295 b3nz0z said at 2:49 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    it’s tough, for sure. but i’d go with hart because he has a chance to be a starter one day (if simply by virtue of not being ruled out as a potential starter), whereas bair is likely as good as he will ever be. that could end up being a very strong rotation with hart spelling thornton

  296. 296 sonofdman said at 4:07 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I got the impression last year that Hart not being active was more about Bair playing well (especially in pre-season and early in the year).

  297. 297 Avi said at 6:45 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I’ve read most observations of each practice, but i haven’t heard anything about hart…do u know if he’s is making plays?? like i said, i haven’t hard of him standing out

  298. 298 GEAGLE said at 9:46 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I actually haven’t heard anything.., but there really is nothing to hear when it comes to our OL and DL… Chip doesn’t let them go full blast against each other., he talks about them needing to “cooperate” with each other trying to practice technique without blasting each other as hard as they can..
    I assume this is why we don’t hear any performance update about any of our Right Guards each day… For guys like Hart and Tobin, Gardner, Moffit, the preseason performance will be EVERYTHING.. OL and DL need to fundamentally be able to move the man in front of them, we won’t get an accurate glimpse of their ability until the preseason.. Impossible to judge those positions if they aren’t going full blast, trying not to hurt anyone..
    If the DL was playing Full contact, ever day we would read about how Cox completely dominated practice lol..

    Can’t wait till sunday to get some answers.. guys i really want to go back and watch all their preseason snaps:
    1) Marcus Smith
    2) Jaylen Watkins
    3) Wolff
    4) Hart
    5) Tobin
    6) Gardner
    7) Moffit
    8) Denzel Rice
    9) Agholar
    10) Couplin (won’t play Sunday)
    I’m so much more interested in seeing what the young back ups do.. I have NEVER been so excited to watch the 2nd and 3rd string players of a preseason game

  299. 299 Avi said at 1:02 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    i have to agree, the level of back end talent is incredible…i haven’t seen an eagle team like in over 10 years i would say….but my list would be pretty close to yours except switch wolff and couplin…and tobin and rice…but u get the general idea…cant wait till sunday

  300. 300 anon said at 2:23 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    “Kiko hasn’t passed the concussion protocol yet, but he hasnt been ruled out For Colts game either” — damn, must have been bad

  301. 301 MattE said at 2:46 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I feel like you should ask him similar questions like they did Billy Bob in “Varsity Blues”……

    “It’s got to be true/false. Billy Bob, he’s holding up some fingers, true or false ?”

  302. 302 peteike said at 2:55 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    problem is they cant tell the difference between normal Kiko and concussed Kiko.

  303. 303 OregonDucker said at 3:18 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Death Rowe, Watkins, Rice, and lone Wolff are the ones I am also looking to see. How Sam does in the pocket during his ONE series is also of import. Coop better damn well perform as well.

  304. 304 Sean Stott said at 3:23 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I hope T.Cole plays nice and doesn’t rip Sam’s head off.

  305. 305 Greg Richards said at 5:44 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Need to gift him some new hunting equipment to calm the savage beast.

  306. 306 anon said at 6:46 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    be interesting to see if T. Cole has anything left against Lane or Peters. It’ll be a good homecoming for those guys i think. The the fans were great to Vick in his preseason game last year.

  307. 307 MattE said at 3:34 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Death Rowe is awesome!

  308. 308 RobNE said at 5:05 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    won’t that slow down Rowe’s learning to play press outside? I don’t think I like distracting him like that. What if he is good and then plays there, he is worth way more as an outside corner.

  309. 309 botto said at 2:47 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    finally get to see the replacements on sunday!

  310. 310 Avery Greene said at 3:07 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Who do you think is going to be the G and who are you rooting for?

  311. 311 botto said at 3:10 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    geez I wouldn’t know who to root for really. I just assume the best guy will start week one of course, maybe Moffit since he has the most experience?

  312. 312 Avery Greene said at 3:23 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    In case anyone was mistaken that it’s only CK that cares about culture or having the locker room under control.

  313. 313 Anders said at 3:53 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    Nono, you are doing it wrong. Only Chip Kelly is cutting old popular players or very demanding in his approach.

  314. 314 MattE said at 3:32 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    OVER/UNDER for Pre-Season Game-1;
    1) Bradford snaps/drives/throws:
    2) DeMarco carries:
    3) Players at RG:
    4) Shots of Chip Kelly on TV:
    5) Mention of Boykin trade/Sheppard injury.
    1) 1 drive
    2) Zilch
    3) 3 RG’s
    4) 20
    5) 3

  315. 315 CrackSammich said at 3:43 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Can’t really have an Over/Under of zero… How’s about these as betting lines?
    1) 1.5 drives
    2) 4 carries
    3) 3.5 RGs
    4) 20
    5) 3

  316. 316 Avery Greene said at 3:49 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I think it depends on the drive.

    1 – I’d take this bet on the over.
    If it’s a 3-and-out I think he gets a couple more. If they drive down the field, he gets one more after that.

    2 – I’d take the under.
    First game is tough. No need to get crazy. Plus they have a couple other backs they need to make decisions on. Give them as much time as possible.

    3 – I’d take the over.
    1 per quarter (at least?).

    4 – I’d take the under?
    Oooh this is going to be hard. There’s shots of Bradford, Sanchez, Tebow, and Barkley that are needed. Then you can’t forget Luck, Gore, Johnson, and random players from both teams laughing on the side line.

    5 – I’d take the over.
    Everyone loves to dump on the Eagles and how “unconventional” Chip is, so all game long as they see CB play this has to be mentioned.

  317. 317 JoeBlow said at 4:15 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Boomer Esiason reporting that Locker room fight was over money borrowed, and apparently Geno was the borrower and owed the guy money

  318. 318 anon said at 4:17 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    isn’t Geno repped by ROC nation? I’ve seen Ballers he should have just called Jay Z for $$.

  319. 319 JoeBlow said at 4:19 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    yes he is, perhaps this was a wager/bet amongst them and Geno told him he wasn’t paying up

  320. 320 JoeBlow said at 4:25 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    story is on gang green nation, it was over 1,000 dollars

  321. 321 peteike said at 4:26 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    oh man how lame, pay up dude. Guess hes not getting that now

  322. 322 anon said at 4:26 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    hahaha man, that like $10 for normal people

  323. 323 peteike said at 4:25 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Ive actually started to enjoy that show, maybe Im alone there

  324. 324 Tdoteaglefan said at 4:30 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    no you’re not..I’ve been watching since the first episode. HBO found a suitable replacement for “Entourage” and “playmakers” by kind of combining the two shows

  325. 325 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 4:34 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Playmakers > Ballers

  326. 326 Bert's Bells said at 4:38 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    So you’re the guy who liked Entourage.

  327. 327 CrackSammich said at 4:30 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Hate watching it for the girls and bad athlete cameos.

  328. 328 peteike said at 4:45 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    ya me too, not like its great but fine entertainment for a half hour show. Ive seen much worse.

  329. 329 anon said at 5:14 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Way better than True Detective

  330. 330 botto said at 4:17 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    so these two must be friends?

  331. 331 RobNE said at 5:03 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    doesn’t Geno have a lot more cash than the other guy?

  332. 332 MagsDogDays said at 8:47 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    $600. pocket change to a pro, even those on rookie contracts.

  333. 333 GEAGLE said at 5:02 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Hard knocks episode 1 tonight.. This episode is going to feature the joint Practice Brawl between Skins and Texans… First episode of HardKnocks always gets me in the mood for football season
    Barwin was on mIke n mike this morning, called Cam stupid for fighting and throwing punches with how important his hand is to Carolina.. Barwin says Chip made it understood that he doesn’t tolerate fighting, and that Cary was punished for trying to fight the Patriots at joint practice…I’m a fan of tôugh old school football. But I don’t agree with letting your players fight each other.. Injuries are a big enough risk, no need to risk playërs health fighting Amongst each other… We can build a tough, physical, nasty team without fighting each other

  334. 334 Media Mike said at 5:55 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Scam Newton is dumber than a box of rocks.

  335. 335 MagsDogDays said at 8:46 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    In fairness, quarterbacks don’t get many opportunities to hit back.

  336. 336 GEAGLE said at 9:36 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    He is a fraud,,, A glorified Terrel Pryor lol… Can’t wait til a decade passes and he doesn’t win a playoff game

  337. 337 GEAGLE said at 5:17 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I like hearing how bad Bradford sounds like he wants to play in the preseason. Fosher held him out of the first preseason game last year and he sounds Like he Doesmt want to he held out…l he was cool and laughed about fans petitioning the Pope to bless his Knees…SAM also raved about Jordan Mathews, how having his size and Talemt in the slot is a big advantage.. A TE and Jordan down the seams give him two big Targets…seems really impressed by Jordans work ethic saying he doesn’t think he ever seen anyone catch as many balls as that Guy….Bradford should play two series vs the colts, but chip won’t announce it TIL Friday
    Agholor took Huffs first team reps, huff was with the 2nd team.
    Not Only did MS2 completely blow up DENNIS Kelly knocking him down to the ground, but Marcus also had another play where he exploded in the backfield and blew up a run play..

  338. 338 Avery Greene said at 5:21 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Glad to see Agholor moving around. It’s going to be interesting to see how CK uses his receivers starting game one and what it looks like at the end of the season.

    What’ll be funny is that if Bradford is better than Foles/Sanchez and healthy – Cooper might have a decent year.

  339. 339 peteike said at 5:23 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Huff was a limited participant today so he didnt really take his spot but whatever. They constantly rotate anyway

  340. 340 GEAGLE said at 9:34 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    huffs hurt? Nothing serious I hope.

  341. 341 GEAGLE said at 9:33 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Yeah our WR most definitely will evolve as the season gets under way…
    If everything goes well, by December Jordan, huff, Agholor and Sproles should get most of the reps as WR with Cooper barely playing in the last month..
    Although, I could see Bradford turning Cooper into a decent redzone weapon because Beadford has been throwing Fade routes for TDs
    All over practice. his very accurate fade balls and back shoulder throws could get some value out of Coop

  342. 342 botto said at 5:54 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    bradfords pumped and now im even more pumped

  343. 343 Greg Richards said at 5:42 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    FYI, this is what the Geno Smith fight was about: Enemkpali had a charity football camp at his local high school and had asked Geno to be there and had paid $600 for his air fare. Geno then had a death in the family and wasn’t able to go to the camp and Enemkpali demanded that Geno reimburse him. Geno reportedly agreed to reimburse him, although there may have been miscommunication there, and when Geno didn’t pay IK quick enough to his liking that prompted the fact.

    Even if Geno should have legitimately reimbursed him, dude just lost hundreds of thousands of dollars and likely his career over six hundred bucks. Have to be able to think and control yourself.

  344. 344 anon said at 5:44 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    He probably came in listening to that Rihanna song “Bitch Betta Have My Money” and he took it a little too far.

  345. 345 Media Mike said at 5:46 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    The Giants are weak at LB, already employ worse people than Enemkpali, and hate the Jets. I think he’d be a great signing for the Giants.

  346. 346 Greg Richards said at 5:49 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Jets run the 3-4, so if the Giants theoretically signed Enemkpali, it would likely be as a DE.

  347. 347 Media Mike said at 5:49 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    And he’d be the best player on their no-talent D.

  348. 348 Greg Richards said at 5:51 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Jonathan Hankins is a very good DT. Both Beason and Amukamara are above average when they’re not injured.

  349. 349 Media Mike said at 5:52 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I’m not sure what you’re saying. I see a 90 man roster full of losers.

  350. 350 botto said at 5:52 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    so many losers in blue over there!

  351. 351 Media Mike said at 5:54 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    If I had the ability to tell Professor X to kill any group of people using Cerebro, I’d tell him to kill all of the Giants. Fans especially.

  352. 352 botto said at 5:55 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    yeah most fans the cowboys most, personally I get more fired up and nervous for giants games hate them so much.

  353. 353 Avi said at 6:37 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    eff em both, throw the deadskins in there for the trifecta

  354. 354 D3FB said at 10:06 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Who knew Trump was an eagles fan

  355. 355 MagsDogDays said at 8:43 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Even if it was a sucker punch, that’s some powerful blow. Unless Geno has a glass jaw or the hit was at just the wrong point or angle. Imagine him punching the ball out of a RB’s grip! Dallas probably has him on speed dial. He can get to camp and break Sean Lee’s jaw too. Btw, I am not really gloating over anybody being injured, just can’t stand the BovineAdolescents.

  356. 356 Insomniac said at 6:59 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    What an idiot

  357. 357 GEAGLE said at 9:22 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    I blame Darrel Revis!!
    Dudes got more money then God, he could have slapped both of them with $600 and still had his starting QB… Blame Revis!!!

  358. 358 anon said at 9:24 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Revis has seen geno throw, he probably paid IK to do the thing

  359. 359 GEAGLE said at 9:25 PM on August 11th, 2015:


  360. 360 TypicalDouche said at 7:11 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Random thought everybody but does anybody here still play madden for xbox one? I try to get a couple games in a week if I have time. If so lets exchange some user names and play some ball when the game releases.

  361. 361 BobSmith77 said at 8:15 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Graham is going to get exposed this year too if he is playing an overwhelming majorities of the snaps especially in coverage. Disappears too often too whether for entire games or portions of a game.

    I understood why they brought him back (Smith’s questionable ability to meaningfully contribute this year) but I wasn’t a fan either.

  362. 362 Lewwyn said at 8:17 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    What? Graham was the most efficient pass rusher based on snap percentages last year. He just didn’t get as many snaps behind Cole.

  363. 363 BlindChow said at 9:07 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    From what I remember, he started a couple games when Cole was injured and was nowhere near as effective as he was when his playing time was limited.

  364. 364 wee2424 said at 9:49 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    That was because he was able to come in as a changeup. Cole had a variety of moves while BG mainly stays with the bull rush. OTs will get used to it making him less effective.

    Pass rushing is alot like pitching. You have to throw a curveball to change it up. When BG got more extensive playing time at the end of the year his effectiveness went down dramatically.

  365. 365 xmbk said at 7:31 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    Very few 3-4 teams have 2 coverage backers. Don’t think there will ever be true mirror D.

  366. 366 Weapon Y said at 8:48 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Not going to lie. I am very worried about the slot CB position being a liability. You could just stay in base and let Jenkins/Thurmond do it, but then you only have one deep safety. That’s pretty scary when you’re against the likes of Odell Beckham and Victor Cruz at the same time. If you do keep two deep safeties, then you either need to be creative (and let’s be honest, Billy Davis and Chip Kelly are not creative on defense) or use a marginal talent like Jaylen Watkins, E.J. Biggers, Randall Evans, or Denzel Rice. If those guys were so good, then Shepherd wouldn’t have already taken the lead for the job. The creative thing to do would be to move Maxwell into the slot in nickel with Rowe and Carroll on the outside, or play musical chairs and rearrange those three in any other way. I do not see creativity from Chip and Davis on defense, so I wouldn’t hold my breath. Expect offenses to light the Eagles up over the middle.

    In my opinion, the best NFL coach is Pete Carroll because he is the most creative. He has a 330 lb. DE on one side and a 240 lb. DE on the other. That is letting talented players dictate the scheme. Not the other way around. And that is where Chip falls short.

  367. 367 anon said at 9:00 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    wolff plays the S position, move thurmond to slot.

  368. 368 Weapon Y said at 9:10 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Wolff’s a goner. Can’t stay healthy. I like your creativity though.

  369. 369 GEAGLE said at 9:21 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Not that creative… When Boykin got hurt during the 49ers game, Jenkins moved to Nickle back on 3rd down and wolf came in the game 3rd down to play Jenkins safety spot…
    Just sayin..

  370. 370 wee2424 said at 9:46 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Thurmond has been a slot CB his whole career and Wolff has been a safety for his short career. I’m not sure how creative that is.

  371. 371 GENETiC-FREAK said at 9:19 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Hmm think Watkins makes the Slot his.. My understanding is Carroll has the bigger DE at LDE coz Seahawks like to minimize the run as the right side of the O is their strong side for running in majority of teams

  372. 372 wee2424 said at 9:44 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    The Seahawks have that by design, that’s not the player dictating the scheme.

  373. 373 GEAGLE said at 9:27 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Lol the AFC east week 1 QBs:
    pats: Jimmy Garrapolo
    Bills: Matt Cassell
    jets: Fitzpatrick
    Dolphins Tannahill..
    I’m not sure If Geno getting hurt makes the schedule easier or harder for the Eagles..

  374. 374 anon said at 9:35 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    couldn’t be any better for the Pats brady out but other teams are dumpster fires anyway.

  375. 375 Anders said at 2:19 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    Easier, despite his problems, Geno is much better than Fitz

  376. 376 GEAGLE said at 9:51 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    “Our offense is very similar to the Eagles offense minus the Tempo and the shotgun”.-shady…. Ok…,,

  377. 377 wee2424 said at 9:58 PM on August 11th, 2015:


  378. 378 P_P_K said at 10:03 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    “And I’m not as good at hitting the hole as Demarco.”

  379. 379 anon said at 11:26 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    i heard they are running some RO w/ Tyrod Taylor, not terrible considering their skill position players.

  380. 380 Anders said at 2:18 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    So not at all the same.

  381. 381 wee2424 said at 9:58 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Serious situation… need advice:

    My job has me in Florida. I have Comcast down here because my wife refuses to get anything other type of provider, therefore I am not going to be able to get all the games (direct tv is the only nfl Sunday ticket provider). I have WiFi a smart TV, smart phone, and laptop. There has to be a way I can somehow stream Eagles games via internet live on one of my devices in today’s age. I just don’t know how. Advice for a struggling die hard fan anybody?

  382. 382 P_P_K said at 10:02 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    This has worked in the past:

  383. 383 wee2424 said at 9:17 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    Thank you. That site has been recommended to me a few times. I guess I’m just having anxiety that I’m going to settle on that and then game day I’m going to use it and it won’t work. While I like technology my faith in it is sometimes low.

  384. 384 Bert's Bells said at 10:03 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    There are plenty of sites. Just google streaming football. They’re mostly from Europe.

    Also you can get the Sunday Ticket on Playstation for a couple hundred bucks.

  385. 385 myartz04 said at 10:16 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    New girlfriend…

  386. 386 Insomniac said at 10:18 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    What speeds are you getting with Comcast? Most free streams are low quality but it’s better than nothing at all. PPK linked the most used one and it’s reliable. Just be warned that sometimes you don’t get the USA coverage but the EU (skysports) coverage.

  387. 387 Bert's Bells said at 10:24 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    PS: UK coverage is way better.

  388. 388 Insomniac said at 10:26 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Just less of the stupid biased analysts makes it that much better.

  389. 389 Bert's Bells said at 10:30 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Fewer commercials too. They breakdown the previous possession during the US breaks.

  390. 390 TypicalDouche said at 10:39 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    xbox one and ps4 offer the Sunday ticket for what I believe is $250 if you happen to own those gaming systems.

  391. 391 wee2424 said at 9:14 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    From what I have read you have to get screened to have that. For example if you live in apartments that won’t allow a satellite dish then you are permitted to have that service. I live in a condo that does allow satellite dishes so direct TV I’ll not allow me to have that service. Do you know anything about this?

  392. 392 Rockedupeaglesfan said at 11:14 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    Set up a sling box with someone who will be watching the game. I do it to my house when I’m at the shore during Phillies games

  393. 393 wee2424 said at 9:11 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    I was researching slingbox. Some sites said it carries Fox, other sites said Fox opted out of Fox. Clarity please?

  394. 394 Rockedupeaglesfan said at 9:31 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    Hmm I’m not sure how an individual channel could opt out since you are basically watching your home (or friends) TV remotely. You even bring your guide and remote control up on the screen to navigate. I’m at my in-laws beach house for the rest if the week an I used it last night to watch hard knocks without a problem. I’m sure I’ll have it up again before the week is done and I’ll test it out with Fox and let you know.

  395. 395 wee2424 said at 9:57 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    Thank you… appreciate it

  396. 396 Rockedupeaglesfan said at 10:35 AM on August 15th, 2015:

    I fired the sling box up last night and had Fox on, no problems. I think it’s a pretty good option. My brother in law even used it when he was out of the country

  397. 397 wee2424 said at 10:37 AM on August 15th, 2015:

    Thank you for that. I appreciate it.

  398. 398 Anders said at 2:18 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    NFL game pass (or the US equivalent).

  399. 399 xmbk said at 7:24 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    NFL Network has a pass you can buy. You’ll be able to watch the games when you want, but there are weird restrictions (can’t be another game on live broadcast at the time). You have to watch over the internet. It’s ok, the gaming platforms are probably better. Directv is best, I switched to that. Can’t understand why anyone would feel allegiance to Comcast. The streaming is highly unreliable.

  400. 400 CHRIS said at 5:13 PM on August 12th, 2015:

    I use this for all sports. easy to navigate. you may deal with less-than-ideal streams but it works and is free. Just stream on laptop > HDMI into tv and grab a beer

  401. 401 wee2424 said at 7:22 PM on August 12th, 2015:

    Thank you

  402. 402 daveH said at 10:44 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    wheres Sheil ??
    only 1 writer I care about now

  403. 403 anon said at 11:25 PM on August 11th, 2015:

    on to greener pastures

  404. 404 HawaiianEagle said at 12:13 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    Sorry. Saw this on BGN…Awesome. Who needs Seattle?

  405. 405 HawaiianEagle said at 12:26 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    Can use that as new banner

  406. 406 Anders said at 4:24 AM on August 12th, 2015:

    Something else than legion of tbh

    but yea we need a new banner

  407. 407 Google said at 10:00 PM on August 24th, 2015:


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