Receivers on the Rise
Posted: August 13th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 410 Comments »I can’t recall the Eagles having a young trio of receivers like Jordan Matthews, Josh Huff and Nelson Agholor. You have a 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick and 1st round pick. All three have a good combination of size and speed. All three are tough, hard-nosed and willing to block.
Matthews has established himself as a good NFL player. Huff showed flashes of real talent last year, but remains unproven. Agholor is a rookie and we have yet to see him in action. The practice reports for Huff and Agholor are encouraging.
Here is Jimmy Bama with his take on Huff from today.
Josh Huff had perhaps his best day of camp so far. In 1-on-1’s, he beat Byron Maxwell on an in-route in which he was able to gain significant separation. On his next rep, he smoked Marc Anthony (not of J-Lo fame) on a deep ball. In 2-on-3’s, he had a sliding sideline catch in which he was able to stay in bounds and did the same in the back of the end zone during red zone drills. But my favorite play of the day was subtle. On the seam route mentioned above in the Bradford section of these notes, Huff waited until the last second to put his hands up and snatch the pass, so as not to tip off Byron Maxwell that the ball was in the air. Huff received an atta boy from Maxwell on the play.
Huff and Maxwell have really battled the last few practices, and it has been fun to watch. “You’ve seen it,” said Maxwell. “He has the talent. Just go and do it. Be who they think you are. Be who you think you are. That’s really what I’m trying to (tell him). He has all the tools, he can do it. ‘You a dog, you a beast, be that.'”
Maxwell is the team’s best CB. Huff is not the best receiver, but he’s going against the top corner on a daily basis. That challenge seems to be bringing out the best in him.
Here is Tim McManus with more on that.
Josh Huff and Byron Maxwell have been going at it all summer. On this play, Huff finds some room down the seam, hauls in a well-placed Sam Bradford dart and takes off. Maxwell compliments the receiver as he makes his way back to the sideline for giving him “late hands” meaning he did not give Maxwell any tells that the ball was coming his way until it was too late. They communicate like that after every play.
“I tell him what I did to get to that point and he’ll tell me what I can do better, and vice-versa,” said Huff. “If he beats me on a route or beats me in press, I always ask where I could do better and he always gives me positive feedback.”
“Iron sharpens iron,” said Maxwell. “In order for him to get ready and in order for me to get ready for Sunday, we’ve gotta help each other out here, right now.”
While the relationship is obviously good, it gets competitive between them. The next time they lock horns, Maxwell has Huff covered and an out pass from Bradford sails high. Afterwards, Huff screams a four-letter expletive and slams his helmet down on the sideline.
“He got the better of me on that one. He got a little savvy vet-ness to him, I guess you could say,” said Huff. “He got away with a hold in my opinion.”
I really like the fact these two players are pushing each. They are competitive, but in the right way. Sometimes players will woof at each other and compete, but it feels like more of an ego thing than a productive, competitive relationship. Maxwell seems to be bringing out the best in Huff.
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Agholor had a solid day, per Bama.
Nelson Agholor had his worst moment of camp today. He got himself wide open on a deep route, Timmy Tebow placed the ball on a platter for him, aaaaand… drop. Ugh. Otherwise, Agholor was terrific. He does a great job snatching the ball away from his body, which he did all day, and he had a tremendous leaping grab in the front corner of the end zone in which he was able to keep both feet in bounds.
Jordan Matthews had a glowing review of Agholor after practice. “Nelson, I think he’s the most explosive of (the Eagles receivers). You think about what he’s been able to do. He’s come out with the ones and looked so natural, and then when he has a chance to make big plays, he makes them. I can’t say enough good things about him. The guy works hard too.
“Nelson is always going to make the next play. It’s a good thing that he’s hard on himself, because he knows how hard he works at his craft. Every day he comes out here he wants to put a good product on the field. You see a lot of guys who come out here and just punch the clock. They might drop balls, and go ‘OK, I’ll be here tomorrow,’ but these lockers aren’t promised. It’s beautiful when you see a guy who’s a first round pick still have that chip on his shoulder to understand that hey, nothing is promised, none of this stuff is guaranteed. He comes here and works his butt off every single day like an undrafted guy, and I really appreciate that.”
The presence of Matthews and Huff (and to a lesser extent, Riley Cooper) takes the pressure off Agholor. He can get on the field and play if he earns time, but there isn’t pressure on him to start and be productive right away.
If Matthews is able to build on his rookie season and Huff and Agholor play to their potential, this receiving corps could be outstanding, now and into the future.
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Jeff McLane had good notes on OL/DL.
2. I focused a lot of my attention on 1-on-1 drills between the two lines. Earlier this week, I asked defensive coordinator Bill Davis about the drills and what the coaches wanted to see out of the players. “It’s really about the first couple steps, angles, their sets, our angles, our hands, their hands, those type of things are what you are looking at,” Davis said, also referring to the o-line. Matt Tobin has been one of four linemen that have rotated into right guard with the first team, but he’s also played a lot of tackle with the second team. He did better at guard during 1 on 1s and battled to a stalemate when pitted against DT Bennie Logan. Tobin was fooled by a Conor Barwin spin move at tackle, but blocked Marcus Smith to the ground during a later edge rush. Smith had a highlight rush on Tuesday, but bounced back to earth a day later. Dennis Kelly was the victim of Smith’s stutter-step, bull rush. He looked more confident on Wednesday and stood up a DE B.J. McBryde attempt. Julian Vadervelde has been a surprise contender in the competition at RG. But watching the 1 on 1s, you can see why offensive line coach Jeff Stoutland has him in the mix. Vandervelde looks steady. He also told me earlier this week that he feels as healthy as ever. He was like a wall when undrafted rookie Travis Raciti tried to maneuver past him.
3. So what about some of the lesser-known linemen? Center David Molk isn’t exactly an unknown after filling in for Jason Kelce last year, but he’s done his work under the radar this summer. The knock against Molk is that it’s a struggle for him to swing to guard. He’s a capable enough backup center, but Vandervelde, for instance, is more versatile. Still, Molk knows the center position. He’s very adept at snapping the ball and holding his ground despite the limited space in the middle. He gives up more than 40 pounds to DT Beau Allen, but used his quickness and hand placement as leverage during one drill and didn’t forfeit his footing.
4. As for the undrafted rookie offensive linemen, Malcolm Bunche (6-6, 320) has impressed the most so far. He got DE Vinny Curry off his feet during one rush and seemed to handle a DE Fletcher Cox bull rush. Nice. It should be interesting to watch Bunche on Sunday against the Colts. OL Brett Boyko struggled. DE Brandon Bair drove him to the ground, rookie DE Brian Mihalik turned the corner on him, and Raciti beat him with a spin move. DE Taylor Hart took reps with the first team defense during team drills on Wednesday. He looked a little sluggish against OL Andrew Gardner during 1 on 1s, though.
I don’t know what to make of Vandervelde. If it is him vs Molk for a spot, I prefer Molk, who I saw start and play effectively last year. But Vandervelde is a better swing G/C so that helps his value. I’m looking forward to seeing both in games.
Bunche is another player that has my attention. Chip was asked about him the other day and mentioned some good things. Bunche has gotten practice mentions the last couple of days. I don’t see him pushing for the roster this year, but he could be good practice squad material. He was a good run blocker in college. Maybe Jeff Stoutland can bring out the best in him.
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MISC NOTES
Marcus Smith would have just sacked the crap out of Tebow from behind if contact was allowed. Beat Tobin who was at RT.
— Brandon Lee Gowton (@BrandonGowton) August 12, 2015
Glad to hear Smith had another good moment today. He needs more of them, and to play more consistently Still, it is good to hear he’s offering some impact.
* Andrew Gardner was the RG today. That was his 3rd day, the most of any RG candidate so far.
* Finally, a bit of humor for you.
A story that sums up Eagles fans (via r/Eagles) http://t.co/BlJtHb6f3m pic.twitter.com/IFkSUc272P
— BleedingGreenNation (@BleedingGreen) August 12, 2015
Classic.
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My favorite part of that story is that it completely (and deservedly) ignores WASTEAM.
Great joke! Of course the Eagles fan would push the Dallas fan off the mountain just because.
But deservedly so
Oh man ive heard variations of that joke different nationalities etc.. But that one got me good haha Good sheit mate lol
Another version:
A Cowboys’ fan, a Giants’ fan, and an Eagles’ fan are climbing a mountain. They begin discussing who loves their team the most, and who would make the greatest sacrifices for their team. The Cowboys’ fan says, “Watch this”, and runs, full speed, headlong into a rock wall. Bleeding profusely, he screams, “See that! How ’bout them ‘Boys!!”
The Giants’ fan looks at the other two and says, “That’s nothing. New York fans believe in true sacrifice.” Saying that, he jumps off the mountain.
The Eagles fan is stunned, but he says, “In Philly we believe in sacrifice, too”.
Then he pushes the Cowboys’ fan off the mountain.
Going against my image as one of the resident pessimists, I am extremely high on this receiving corps.
Agholor I think may take a bit of time to adjust to the NFL game, but I think he can be a stud once he does. He’s one of those guys who’s average or above in all areas physically, and will absolutely work his ass off at the mental and technical aspects of the game, and he’s not into the flashy diva aspects of the position so you know he’s not going to get distracted by a posse or a rap career or any of that other nonsense.
Matthews has much the same mental makeup but a couple of outstanding physical tools in his size and strength – as I said in a previous thread, I think the ceiling for him is not just “good possession receiver” but “poor man’s T.O., without all the craziness”.
Huff made a lot of mental mistakes last year but people forget he also showed the ability to make big plays at the NFL level with a limited number of touches – he had that KOR for a TD against the Titans, and the short catch he turned into a long gainer against the Cowboys. Even the play on which he had that crucial fumble against the Cardinals was impressive up to the point of the turnover – he caught the ball, made a couple guys miss, and was fighting for extra yards when he was stripped. He plays the game with real physicality and attitude and I think he’s going to be a very good slot receiver.
Now just gotta hope the OL gives them enough time to get open and keeps Bradford/Sanchez upright.
To those unaware, the Eagles Almanac was released yesterday and its filled with great articles. Sadly its also contains imo a very bad article by Brian Solomon (those who have followed him, knows he hates just about every move the Chip has ever made) about the Eagles salary cap and why Kelly has zero clue about the cap and this is despite the Eagles sitting with 15 mill in cap space and ability to cut most players with very little dead money.
Also having cap space is nice, but the cap is rising at about 5-10 mill, so you need to be super bad at spending to end up in troubles, so been super savy about the money means less than it did a decade ago
Brian Solomon is one of the snarkiest, angry, reactive bloggers, or whatever, I’ve ever read. Had to stop following him on twitter because he just repeats the same narrative over and over again.
Dude writes for Fortune or something and fancies himself an “enlightened” sports fan, but writes like someone commenting on a Facebook article. The worst.
Agree, both him and Derek has really gone super sour on every Eagles move, had to stop following both, but Derek’s article in the Almanac was surprisingly bias free.
Brian writes for Forbes tho
Reading the quotes from Maxwell, Mathews, et al. makes me very excited for this team. These quotes are the kind of things you hear in those NFL films when they are explaining why a team became a dynasty.
I talked about this is early in OTAs, it’s one thing for our Vets to help the young players at their position group, but you know you are building something special when you have Offensive Veterans helping young defenders and vice versa… jason Peters has worked with young Edge rusher Marcus smith. Maxwell working with Josh Huff, Malcolm Jenkins and Nolan working with Jordan and Agholor….
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I don’t know how much changing the players lockers around had to do with this, but it looks like Chip succeeded in building a close knit team, guys who all help each other grow, instead of traditionally just having a team where guys only spend most of their time with guys who play their position……
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#culture ISNT just about not getting arrested….. Chip wanted to build a military style “Band of Brothers”…. really excited about the program chip is building…. Can’t wait Til our Rivals see what this team is capable of….
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this is such a contrast to having someone break the QB’s jaw and then most players seem to not even care or to kind of imply Geno had it coming. I can’t believe the Bills players aren’t pissed about bringing that guy on board.
Maybe Rex wants him to break EJ’s jaw so he doesn’t have to suffer with him at QB.
random question: people yesterday mentioned NFL ticket via a game console. As someone who once had a Wii 5 years ago and now only uses it for Netflix, can I solicit opinions on this. My wife doesn’t want a satellite on our roof. But maybe I could get a game. But we don’t play games, and I don’t want my young son to become addicted. So:
1. is this a real option? can you renew NFL ticket yearly (it’s not just a one year fix)? I didn’t realize there was this caveat to getting Direct TV.
2. The choices seem to be Playstation 3 or 4, or XBox. Any advice? I’d be more interested in games I can play with my toddler son (age 6) rather than first person kill games.
This seems like an expensive way to get NFL Ticket. I hate their monopoly. I’ve streamed before to my computer, but I really want to watch on my TV without all the logistics of streaming thru the Netherlands.
You can get a second hand PS3 in the $100 range. That’s what I did a couple years ago (only it was more than $100).
I don’t play too many games, so I can’t help on that. I know they’ve got like Lego Star Wars and stuff which are fun to play with another person.
I also use it for Netflix and Amazon. It was less buggy than the Wii when I started using those services but that was like 3 years ago and I’m sure the Wii is fine now.
I got the Sunday ticket 3 years ago for it. They didn’t have it two years ago. And I got it again last year.
Have to say it’s much more fun watching the games that way. Is it worth it? Tough call. If you’re only watching Eagles games they generally have at least half of their games televised (depending on the market), so it’s all about comfort.
thanks for all these responses. I’ll look into it more.
The satellite can go on a pole.
There’s a school option for $100 a season, but you have to be taking classes somewhere. You can play it on your iPad or phone, then probably stream it to the television. The cable for that shouldn’t cost more than $10 on Newegg.
if the dish is a no go i’d just sign up for gamepass via a vpn and stream it to your TV from your laptop.
I had the free online Sunday Ticket a few years ago when I bought Madden. I went to re up it last year and thought it was no longer an option that way.
If it is still an option you can just get the online version, save the money on a console, and use and HDMI from your laptop to your TV.
Some TVs have the option to be streamed to from any device with a wifi connection. That is what I did a few years back. Have a Sony XBR 950.
Im actually switching to DirecTV and Ferizon internet this year. Mostly becasue I am sick of my current internet connection. I was going to switch anyway, but with the bundle of Verizon internet and DirecTV (including Sunday ticket), I am saving 50$ a month.
Hey ACV or anyone else. I thought the Brady appeal would be all about process, but the judge asked all kinds of questions along the lines of where is the proof that Brady did it (substantive not process). what gives? Is he just trying to probe to see if there is clear error or some low floor of evidentiary proof before moving on to process?
For a couple reasons, I think.
In a labor case as complex as this one, the best application of legal principles relies on a clear grasp of the facts.
This case involves application of a collective bargaining agreement with general, broad provisions. Also, the law of the shop. And some basic contract principles as well.
I believe the judge wants to have the clearest understanding he can about the facts so he can properly apply the legal principles, as he understands them, to the parties competing versions of what happened.
In addition, Judge Berman appears to be trying to create a public environment in which the parties can find common ground for settlement.
This is not an easy case. That’s my take, at least.
thanks for the reply. I drove in this morning, and the Boston sports radio thinks the judge all but said the NFL has no case. Granted the hosts are biased, but I was starting to be convinced. Didn’t the ball boys testify in depo’s under oath? Did none of the 2 ball boys or Brady answer that they did it? It would seem odd to me to have everyone lying consistently.
Neither the ball boys nor Brady admitted doing anything contrary to the rules. That’s one of the major defects in the Wells report, given the leverage he had over the two Pats employees.
I’m surprised the ball boys, having already been fired, would lie. And they wouldn’t be depo savy enough to not lie but not say anything untrue either. Not saying they didn’t lie, it’s just odd.
I hate the Pats and goodell so it’s all win win or lose lose for me.
I hate the Pats, but I’m surprising myself by saying I hate RG even more. I think I hate RG more then the rest of the NFCE.
I’ve had that level of hate for him for awhile. I think he’s inept, but then again he represents the owners and considering Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder are a part of that ownership – it makes more sense.
Specifically those two owners are low-lifes, but there’s other ones who treat the world crappy like they do too.
I just hate the claim that he is around to protect the integrity of the game. The way certain situations have been handled it has hurt the integrity of the league and at times been just embarrassing.
He is here to flat out fill the owners pockets. That’s his job so I can’t be mad at that. I just can’t stand the false pretenses he uses, and how he tries to consume total control in which is not good for our beloved sport at times.
I think just the false pretense of how Wells was hired hurts the NFL as well.
Also I’m not sure I’m buying that can of Kool-aid just yet.
But I always thought Brady had the better of the legal arguments given the facts, the CBA, and the kangaroo process the NFL used
Agree. It seems the only person or party handling this the right way is the judge. This is an absolute embarrassment for the NFL, and RG really botched how this should have been handled.
The WR corps has good potential, but until we seem them perform in games it is hard to bank on anything more. Matthews is clearly the best of them, Cooper is meh and Huff/Agholor are largely unknowns. Huff made some good plays last season, but also some bad ones. Agholor is a rookie and we know rookies generally go up & down over a season. If the WR corps has any injuries, we are in trouble. This is also why Ertz at TE and Sproles as another WR option are crucial performers; we are likely going to need those outlets to keep things rolling.
WR corps seems pretty deep, injuries always are an issue. Any reason this squad is more vulnerable than most to injuries?
They are not pretty deep in experience or performance at this level.
Matthews is the most talented and has performed best, but is only a 2nd yr player. He is going to get tons more defensive attention this season and we’ll have to see how he adjusts.
Huff is also a 2nd yr player, but did not get a lot of chances – finished with 8 catches for 98 yds and 0 TD. He is a question mark as we saw good and bad from him last season.
Cooper took a step back last season (DJax leaving hurt him IMO), more catches, but less yds, yds/catch and TD. He did have a good 2013 season though so at least we know he is capable of something more.
Agholor is a rookie and thus a total question mark at this level.
Austin has a injury riddled track record and at age 31 is likely seeing his best football days in the rear view mirror.
Matthews is the most likely to meet or exceed his performance so far at this level IMO. Cooper could bounce back, but I’m not sure this offense really fits him as well as it did in 2013. Huff & Agholor have potential to be quite good, but unknown at this point. Austin is an experienced vet, but on the downside of his career most likely and thus not an impact player any longer.
If we lose one the top guys, especially Matthews, for any length of time, we are in trouble. However, as stated before, if Ertz and Sproles can be utilized (and perform) like WR more often, that could help us extend the quality “depth” and get more production from the WR position.
I don’t think we are in trouble. Like you said we have plenty of options. Add the fact that the focus of this team is the running game not the WR. If Bradford stays healthy his accuracy can make a very average WR into a good one.
As I stated, IF they lose one of the WR, especially Matthews, to injury, we are in trouble. All I said about the WR corps up to that point is it has good potential, but is mostly inexperienced and unproven at this level
I know that’s what you stated. What I am saying is if one is lost I don’t think we are in trouble. I didn’t specify enough. I was on work phone while typing this.
Agree on the Ertz/Sproles dynamic. Just not sure that our depth is any worse than most teams (I tend to think it’s better). Are the Cowboys in good shape if Dez goes down? Can any team lose a solid #1 and not feel the effect? Austin is a pretty solid 5/6 receiver, be curious to see which teams are better off there. Typically that’s a young guy who plays ST, or a stud ST. That may play out for the Eagles this year as well, which would be a good sign.
That is why Austin was a very good pickup. Look at the numbers he put up last year before he got hurt and with horrible QB play.
…until we see them perform in games…If the WR corps has any injuries, we are in trouble…
You could substitute WR corps with pretty much every position group, and say the same thing…The OL corps. has good potential, The ILB corps. has good potential, The DB corps. has good potential, etc…
So your point is that when there is game performance proof and no injuries THEN we can feel confident with the results (i.e. after the results have happened).
Not trying to bust balls, but the doubting Thomas approach can be shortened to “I’ll believe it when I see it”, and just left at that.
Honestly GB, I’m more interested in what you think the outcome will actually be – how will our receivers do this year?
Not true at all….the ILB and OL has multiple prime players who’ve shown good to very good performance over several years at this level. The DB corps is less than the OL or ILB, but with Jenkins, Maxwell and Thurmond has a solid foundation.
The WR corps does not have that now; they only have the potential for that.
It is about being able to comfortably make projections about future performance; all we have is past performance and experience. Being a good college WR does not really apply for example.
I’m hoping Ertz and Sproles help out the WR corps and that Cooper and Huff especially can take positive strides with their consistency and performance. Agholor is a rookie and I never expect much from a rookie as it is a very difficult transition. Matthews will likely be double teamed or bracketed quite a bit so we’ll need the others to step up.
ILB – Kiko, concussed, returning from ACL and last played in a game 12/29/13, ‘Meco returning from his 2nd Achilles injury, 31 yrs. old and not 100% yet, Hicks is a rookie, Michael Kendricks missed 2 games last year. How do you “comfortably” project their future performance, since their past performance includes season ending injuries and missed games?
OL – after Peters, Kelce, and Johnson, you have a parade of perennial backups and development players that have limited game experience. And what happens if one or more of the big 3 go down?
I know Tobin gets all the hype, and I do like the young Guard, but I still think Andrew Gardner is going to beat Tobin for the RG spot…. if Gadner doesn’t start, IMO it would mean that Moffit is looking good and they plan on starting Him……I’d be surprised if Tobin beat out Gardner who I think was really under rated last year..
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I HATE MOLK! I have no idea if he gained weight or strength,but I really don’t think he has any business playing Guard.. I don’t trust Molk at center, so how could I trust him at Guard…
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If Moffit makes our roster, but we don’t award him the starting Guard position, he can spend the beginning of the season learning our Center position since he does have Center And Guard experience..with Kelce and Moffit do we really need a 3rd Center? Vandervelde hasn’t been healthy so I have no idea who is the better center Vandervelde Or Molk? But I do assume Vandervelde is a better Guard then Molk…I really don’t see a reason to keep Molk… He is athletic,but when you lack size, strength and Power, I would ASSUME you are at least somewhat athletic..
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I see the starting OL in September looking Like:
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Lane, Gardner, Kelce, Barbre, Peters….
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backups:
Tobin T/G
Moffit G/C
Graf T/G
Bunche T/G or Vandervelde G/C
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our backüp OL was DOMINANT in the preseason last year… I hope our backüp OL has a strong showing in preseason so we get to see what our backüp QBs can really do
I thought the backup OL just manhandled Pitt’s starters in the preseason. So I was surprised to see the backups who came in during the season play so up and down. I’m going to try not to read into preseason results.
In the season they were targeted though. Teams weren’t going to try and pick on JP or LJ. Teams specifically targeted them constantly.
Apples and Oranges.. OL is all about 5 men playing together as 1 unit…. When you saw our backüp OL DOMINATE in last years preseason, you were seeing a backüp OL that had practiced together all summer. They were used to playing with the men lined up on either side of them…. When they get thrust into a regular season game with the starters, we are seeing Kids play next to starters that they hAvent Gelled with,,. To make matters worse, we had OL injuries every week so the Backups who had to play were never able to get comfortable, they would find themselves Linning up next to a new lineman every week… We have NO SHOT of seeing what lineman can do until we see them play extended minutes next to the same lineman they built up chemistry with
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as for our RG spot,,, I really don’t care. I think we have more then 1 candidate that could get the job done at RG.. What I care about is after we name the RG starter, I care that the OL stays healthy so they can build chemistry playing with each other, in which we should see an improved RG every week….what CANT HAPPEN is another year of musical chairs were guys find themselves linned up next to someone new every week… If The RG stays healthy, he will grow over the course of the season, as will the 5 OL olaying as a Unit,,,
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Stay healthy and we will be perfectly fine at RG,,,, I like Andrew Gardners game
Moffit hasn’t played in a long time, and center even longer then that. The safer bet is to keep Molk especially since Kelce has been injured past 2 out of 3 years.
If Kelce gets hurt in the first 4 games it would be a problem.. By October Moffit should know our center position..
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Rather keep Vandervelde over Molk too
TY Hilton signed… 5years 65million, 39mil Guarenteed
Grossly overpaid.
No way Hilton is worth more than Maclin or Jackson
I don’t agree with that. I’d take Hilton over both of those. To keep your own players, you have to overpay. Once JM, Huff and Aggie are up for contracts — we won’t be keeping all 3.
In general you pay less to keep your own players because you can sign em earlier.
Also Hilton gets yards but not TDs.
What? The only way you pay less is if that player is willing to give a home town discount(a la Larry F). If you statement was true — wouldn’t Maclin still be here?
It only applies if you extend the guy before he hits FA. Had we extended Maclin last year, we could most likely have gotten him for 2-3 mill less per year than he signed for
Except, that Maclin said no thanks to an offer the Eagles gave….
The Eagles offered less than 6.5 in their multi year deal. Maclin wanted around the 8 mill per year on a long deal
So, no home town discount, Eagles would have had to over pay to keep him — like the Colts just did with Hilton.
How is 8 mill overpay compared to 11 mill he got in FA? The Eagles tried to super low ball him bc of his injury
You’re confusing the point. You said Colts overpaid TY. I said they had to. Eagles would have had to overpay Mac to keep him.
But had we gotten him at 8 mill, it would have been 3 mill less than what he got in FA.
can’t base a discussion on “what if’s”.
That was him coming off an ALL tear though. His second. You can’t judge by that.
Going into last season, we had a lot of uncertainty about Maclin. He was coming off injury, he had not played in Chip Kelly’s offense yet, and at the tome, he was nicknamed self tacklin Maclin. It’s easy to say now that we should have offered him 8 mil per year, but at the time that would have been a completely unearned contract.
Based on how he looked in 2012 with Foles most people said around 7-8 would have been a good deal
Did Luck get his deal yet?
He is more of a complete receiver then Jackson, but still a homerun threat. Many will argue he is equal or better then Maclin and I do not disagree. He found success quicker then Maclin did in terms of production. There is still a scare with Maclin regarding ACL. He has torn it twice.
You have to look at these deals in a different context though. The cap is going up, therefore contracts do as well.
His QB vs. Mac’s QB helps a lot too. That kid can ball.
That is very true, but it still takes a very skilled WR to put up those numbers. There have been a few games that he has absolutely dominated. I think if you were to put him on almost any team in the league he could be a 1000 yard receiver.
Maclin did have McNabb, and McNabb was still a good QB.
and that’s why he’s always on my fantasy team :). Had Luck and him last year. Dominated! (until Lucks brutal game during the championship!)
Jackson had more total yards and total TDs than Hilton during his first 3 seasons and that was with less QB play than Hilton have gotten
That may be true, but I would still definitely pick Hilton over him. He is a more complete receiver and he has a higher ceiling.
I put his worth just over Jackson and just under Maclin… Personally. The colts F.O seems to be pretty bad at getting team friendly deal though.
Julio Jones amd AJ Green will be sending TY thank you notes for signing this deal… It’s a BIG WIN for julio and AJ who can now tell their front office they should be paid more then TY
In Colorado, jumping off mountains is considered fun, so the joke is lost on me 🙂
https://youtu.be/NYvM6j56IBk
get those face shots!
Was already starting to get a hankering for winter. Now it’s official.
I love all the “would have had a sack if hitting was allowed” stuff. The QB knows they can’t be hit. Game time, I doubt Tebow would have been sitting like he does in practice. Grain of salt I guess because of pre-season.
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Great read as usual. Good to read about the WR’s. I was high on JM last year and continue to be impressed with his work ethic. Great ones continue to train and work hard. He’s on the right track.
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Wait – a 2nd year player is schooling our best cover guy that we (had to) overpay for? I hope that’s not a trend :).
Tebow has taken off and run numerous per Jimmy K. If Tebow felt the pressure be would have taken off. I don’t feel like he’s the type of guy to “let a sack” happen.
Yes and no. During practice – you want plays to happen and not have a QB take off all the time. There’s a lot of variables that we don’t know about during that play. Big piece of mind knowing you can wait a second or 2 for the play to develop in practice vs. the game clock in your head. Its practice so every “reported” play has to be taken with a grain of salt…
Another part of the dilemna that is Tebow at QB…
very true…
Grain of salt or not, at least we are hearing MSIIs name.
amen to that!
Tebow is a lefty. Sounds like MSII was rushing against Tobin at RT. Therefore it would be Tebows blindside.
assuming play was to the left….
It sounds like Huff and Maxwell have been duking it out all summer. I think it’s great. 7 on 7s and the like are all easier for the receiver. Even 11 on 11 is easier than a game situation because the QB is wearing a red jersey. I wouldn’t get to caught up that Huff is doing well.
Was that a pun? “Ducking” it out all summer? If so, well played.
D3FB – wouldn’t mind your input on the guards and how they are progressing.
Remember when training camp live showed every individual drill rep and had them nicely edited for you? That my friends was Eagles fandom shangri la.
unless he’s been at camp, he has to rely on second-hand accounts and what coaches say like everyone else. Will be interesting once he gets some tape from Sunday
He could be at camp every day and our style of practice won’t tell you anything about the RG battle… OL vs. DL don’t go full contact after each other.. You can check out a guards technique in practice, but it won’t mean shit until you see how these Guards MOVE defensive lineman during live action.
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Basically the entire RG battle will be decided by preseason play…. I don’t think the coaches have any clue who will start at RG until they see the preseason games..
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But my money is on Gardner or Moffit winning the RG spot
you’re probably right about the coaches not being much closer to deciding the starter. Essentially 3 games with limited snaps with starters against starters. Game 3 being the big one. And there are 4 guards in the mix. If the competition goes into game 4 I’ll be slightly concerned.
I really think we have more then 1 player who can get the job done for us at RG…. Who they pick to start at RG doesn’t concern me much,.. IWhat I care about is once they name a RG starter, I care that our 5 starting lineman stay healthy so they can gel as a unit and improve over the course of the season as the RG gains experience against starting caliber opposition and as he gains experiemce working with the RT and the Center..
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As long as the 5 starting OL (whoever they are) stay healthy, we should be fine, and we should see growth as weeks pass and game experience is gained..
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There is a lot of advantage to our practice style,., but we are at a disadvantage when evaluating the trenches,.,, impossible to judge OL competition if OL and DL aren’t going full force against each other… you can display the most perfect technique in practice but that won’t matter until you see how they “Move” defenders in live action…
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The only thing that really sucks is that we can’t play Lane the entire game. It would be great if we could see what these RGs can do in game action Linning up next to Lane who they will have to work with if they win the starting RG spot….
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I assume Gardner, Tobin and Moffit will each start a preseason game, so we can get game film of how each of them looks next to Lane
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No clue.
Then make shit up man we need the SCOOP
Maxwell compliments the receiver as he makes his way back to the
sideline for giving him “late hands” meaning he did not give Maxwell any
tells that the ball was coming his way until it was too late
So…another year of CB’s not looking back for the ball?
Not what he is saying. If the DB looks back too early, the WR will lose him.
So you think Maxwell was totally planning on looking back at some point, and wasn’t just playing the receiver’s hands?
yeah hopefully, CB’s do rely on cue’s from the WR to look for the ball. They were taught to not bother looking when they got beat, so get on the pony and just try to disrupt them as best you can with a hand in their field of vision or get an arm between theirs to break up the pass. “face guarding” is supposed to be a last desperate resort after you get beat. In hindsight I’m not sure that was being taught as the primary defense technique, or if the CB’s were just getting beat so often
Yes, when he knew the ball was in the air. He was using the receivers hands as a key for when the ball was on its way.
I’m dubious. I can’t imagine waiting until the receiver puts his hands up would give Maxwell enough time to turn and locate the ball.
Watching a receiver’s hands is what you do when you plan on not turning around; at that point you just try to get your hand in there and break up the pass. I mean, some CB’s can make this work, but it was pretty sad to watch that technique in action last year.
I guessing that Huff had a step on Maxwell and Maxwell couldn’t afford to look back for the ball
You have to be in position first and foremost – only way to be in position is to have your eyes on the guy running the route. Locating the ball does you no good if the receiver is 5 yards off of you.
Locating the ball does you no good if the receiver is 5 yards off of you.
lol well OBVIOUSLY.
If Huff was 5 yards off Maxwell in this case, we have a much bigger problem then him not turning around.
Let me put it this way: when you see clips of CB’s making plays on the ball, they’ve turned around way before the receiver has done anything with his hands.
I’m assuming Maxwell was handily beaten by Huff in this case, and no, he was never planning on turning around at that point.
Hard to say. Try running full speed while trying to stay an inch away from another dude running full speed. Then turn around. They have to limit their turned head.
Its not very clear if Huff beats Maxwell outright or not. If Maxwell was beat then no, you don’t have time to look back, you have to catch up to the receiver and play his body movements.
Hopefully this was an exception to the norm, and not how they are taught to play every time. EagleNebula says Maxwell was planning on turning around when Huff did something with his hands, which doesn’t make sense to me at all…
It’s how you play if you’re in trail.
Receivers eyes get big, hands go up, you put your hand between his and turn to locate the ball.
It’s the not turning to locate the ball that was the problem last year. They simply were faceguarding.
D3FB – Thanks for the explanation. Some fans don’t realize that if a CB turns too early, he loses the receiver. I hope Undlin can make a difference here in how/when to use proper technique.
really, these WRs are so fast and CB is one of the hardest positions in all of sports. Id almost guess catching up late happens maybe more often than being able to turn around and run with a receiver. I may be exaggerating there but maybe its more on fly patterns with little safety help or obviously deep plays. Of course there are plays where corners sneak up into a play or are running while looking with the WR but it all happens so fast in a lot of cases were talking split seconds to react or catch up and react depending on the offenses timing.
That depends on how good the receiver is I guess. It would be extremely hard to turn when their hands go up unless they were SUPER early but I agree with, when the receivers hands go up the dbs hands knock em down.
CBs do this all the time. If he never turns his head or ends up being really bad at it like Fletcher sure its a problem. I doubt that very much though.
Exactly, this is the first time we have heard about it. If it happens over and over, we may as well kept Fletcher.
As an experiment, try running with your head facing behind you and see how much it slows you down.
Hasn’t taken long for people to forget last year, huh? Okay, I give up, CB’s should never turn and look for the ball.
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9. This rookie halfback Raheem Mostert has some tremendous speed. Not sure how he can make the roster, but I can see him on the practice squad. His speed to the outside is the best on the team and he’s got nice hands.
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that was from csnphilly — interesting nugget. ‘best on the team’….
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Any concerns with Kiko and Ryans?
Well he’s primarily a track guy, so he should be fast.
He qualified for the NCAA championships in the 100 meters, 200 meters and 4×100.
Big deal. So did I.
Shutup nerd
I run my mouth at Olympian speed…
I’m going to admit, I’m stealing this line in the future. I won’t use it on this board, but this is great.
Lol it was a joke. I did actually run track in college but was not very good comparatively.
ya, saying he turns the corner fast.
Sigh. I get stuck with Redskins/Browns when I’d prefer to get Saints/Ravens.
First world problems.
why, Id rather see skins per division
I’d rather see the skins….. What could be more entertaining then watching the shit show that is RG3 vs. johnny Clipboad? .. Can’t wait to watch that disaster.
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I really despise this current skins team.. It’s a giant sess pool of trash. Hope the Browns defense puts a beating on Rg3… Start the game with a safety Blitz lol send HITner after RG3
> It’s a giant cesspool of trash.
Precisely why I’d rather see the Ravens. At least both franchises in that game are decent. The Skins game may very well be two teams picking in the top 10 this year.
Annoyed that we have to wait TIL sunday.. Since when do our preseason games air on sundays?
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Normally I don’t even care about the skins, most of the time they are irrelevant to this division…. But this current group of skins (last two years) really pisses me off…I still havent gotten the cheap shot to FOles taste out of my mouth…. You see HardKnocks? Did you see how tough they were trying to act in Joint Practives against the Texans? Those Undiscaplined clowns had to cut joint PRactive short because of the Brawl… What a bunch of donkeys. Practicing against other teams is so valuable, these idiots oissed it away trying to act tough… jay Gruden should be ashamed that he couldn’t keep his players under control when they were a guest of the Texans….
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It’s funny how this college coach enters our division, and decides to make joint Practices a yearly occurence, and it’s an extremely valueabke growth opportunity for a team… Now all the teams in our division are starting to do Joint Practives,,, what’s funny is our college coach is respected enough to get joint practices against SB champs like Pats and Ravens, where as the clowns in our division typically get Joint practices with crappy teams like the Raiders and Texans
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This current skins roster has some despicable playërs I despise… I will be sick to my stomach if we łet the skins get a win against us this year
I dont know, I read it like the first day the Texans balled and were kind of intense but then on day 2 they were playing soft and not intense at all. Skins were just more up to play and maybe a few of them started that dumb fight jawing back n forth. I thought it was a decent first episode though. Anything is better than the Falcons
Hilton’s contract is a five-year extension, with a total value of $65 million. Also, $39 million is guaranteed.
“Foles’ extension with the Rams included $6.75M fully guaranteed in 2016. It’s a lot of risk for the Rams given the situation. Foles is going from Chip Kelly to Frank Cignetti, from an elite offensive line to one of the worst, from the softest defensive division to the toughest and from Jeremy Maclin/Jordan Matthews/Zach Ertz to Brian Quick/Kenny Britt/Jared Cook.”
ouch, well when you put it that way haha
I get the feeling Foles will do better on a team with less pressure surrounding it than the Eagles.
Less pressure, less talent, lesser coaching, stronger defensive division. I see Foles definitely face planting in St Louis.
I dont know, they competed well in that division last year with a 3rd n 4th string QB right. I think if Foles minmizes mistakes, they get run game going and he can win some games in the 4th qtr they will ultimately be a better team. That D is really good and as we know, that helps. Throw in that niners will dive bomb it helps.
I get your points Pete but I look at there o-line which isn’t good at all and the fact that he gets happy feet and backpedals could spell disaster. Also the fact that the coaching there cannot help override the talent deficiencies they have on offense and that could also be a problem. I am a big Foles fan and want him to succeed but I just do not think St Louis is the right place.
agree with both of you, they wont make playoff but may 8 wins? I see where they could fall on their face, no doubt and thats more likely but they somehow managed to play tough last season with this squad. Beat broncos split with teams in their division.
theyll never make the playoffs
It will be interesting if Foles looks like a competent QB over there and Bradford faceplants here besides having every advantage. I’m not rooting for Bradford to fail, of course, but I am rooting for Foles to succeed. That’s my boy!
8/11 practice notes:
Foles has thrown a lot of interceptions. He has struggled most with throws to the sidelines and the intermediate to deep middle. Most of the the deeper throws have been overthrown. He has flashed some good throws as well though. These throws have mainly gone to Jared Cook and Stedman Bailey. He looks to have built the best connection with those guys.
Matthew Berry is down on McCoy being a big numbers producer this year despite the fact the Bills have lousy QBs:
“36. In each of the past two seasons, LeSean McCoy has totaled more than 300 carries.
37. Rex Ryan has not had a running back receive 300 carries in a season
since his first year with the Jets in 2009 (Thomas Jones, 331).
38. In the past two years, the Eagles averaged 3.28 yards before contact per rush, most in the league during that span.
39. Last season, the Bills averaged 1.97 yards before contact per rush, 28th in the league.
40. Per Pro Football Focus, only one team last season had worse run blocking than the Buffalo Bills. Now, they have made some changes to the starting offensive line. Some.”
Really should get a nice chance to see what McCoy can really do and if he was a largely part of the Eagles’ running success
I was more than happy to get Bradford later too my league as the 2nd QB after Bridgewater (courtesy of Matthew Berry):
“21. Since Chip Kelly took over in 2013, Eagles quarterbacks have combined to score 594 fantasy points (18.6 per game).
22. During that span, the only quarterbacks with more fantasy points than
“Eagles QB” are Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Andrew Luck.
23. Sam Bradford is also going outside the top 15 at quarterback. Mark Sanchez isn’t being drafted.”
good info thanks. Tad early to be drafting though, too much time for camp/preseason casualties
Did it this past Sat online. Really hard to find 2 hours anymore to get people all over the US together online and do it. :30 seconds between picks to speed it along too with no trades anymore.
who’d you get?
Kind of a mixed bag. I went Peterson with my first pick (#5 overall), gambled a bit with Gurley had a big year with the Rams. WRs are a mixed bag with more depth than anything although I did manage to grab AJ Green as my #1. Top 3 option at WR no but incredibly consistent.
I never care about a K or DEF.
Not bad, lots of good young RBs around as well as the normal big name guys. I’m going to target AP as well — maybe take the guy in houston late round
Gambling Bradford stays healthy and produces in Kelly’s scheme or that Bridgewater picks up where he left off. If neither has a Top 10 year, I’m sunk.
Kicker is going to be which QB to play depending upon the matchup. Ditto my defense or kickers.
Risky, i might got Bradford / Romo, if i can’t get Peyton/AR
very true, its hard to get a good time for everyone and usually earlier is easier.
Murray, Kendricks, Wolff, Ryans, Couplin, and Braman all not practicing today.
No Wolff? oh well.
Hopefully it is some sports science reason for most of the above, as they are noted for always battling something as well. Not looking good for Wolff otherwise.
It BETTER be our trainers who are holding Wolff out of Practice. If he made the decision not to Practive, I hope we cut him by the end of the day..
Wow… Wolff has the balls to sit out of training camp practice? What a fuckin clown..
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Couplin is out with an Apendectomy until next week, meaning Couplin will miss the playoff game… With Jenkns, Thurmond, Maragos, and Prosinski all making the roster, that 5th safety spot comes down to Wolff vs Couplin…. Instead of taking advantage of the fact that Couplin won’t play this week, by playing hard in practice and the preseason game, Wolff is deciding to sit out of practice? What a fuckin joke this kid has turned into..
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He should be running thru brick walls trying to make an impression while Couplin is out, instead he is off to the side stretching with trainers… This clown said he was taking OTAs off so that he could be fully healthy and ready to prove he deserves to be an Eagle in camp, and after the first week, he is already sitting out? I would be ok with Cutting Wolff today.. Just get him out of here and be done with it… The sooner we forget about Wolff the better… The kid is a Joke. All the talent you need to be a stud safety in the NFL, kid was durable never missing games in college… What a fraud… His talent frustrates me so much. He has the ability to be a quality safety in this league, but the mental toughness clearly isn’t there.
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Joe Thomas revealed that he played thru 3 different MCL sprains and 2 high ankle sprains…. Someone tweet that stat to Wolff… I’m fed up with the kid… Cut him today, trade him for a backüp scab at another position,,, I can’t continue to have this tease of a safety talent on the bench….if Wolff makes the roster and doesn’t get playing time, I bet he still ends up missing games due to injuries
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I can’t stand this kid any more and to me it seems like veterans have lost respect for him…
Been banging the drum for the Eagles to just dump him already. Not worth the roster spot at this point.
Playoff game, huh? You really are starved for football. 😉
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Setting a firm price on Maclin and moving on was one of the better things the Eagles did this offseason.
Banner used to get ripped to no end for allowing popular veterans to move on but in almost every case he was right including with Dawkins. Dawkins got a large offer with a lot of signing bonus money upfront, the Eagles moved on, and Dawkins really had one good year before he started to break down physically and was a huge liability in coverage.
Not resigning Maclin and trading McCoy provoked pretty large outcrys at the time but they were 2 of the better moves I thought the Eagles made this offseason.
McCoy for Alonso was an awesome trade. Ending up being -McCoy, + Alonso, + Murray, +Mathews.
Matthews?
No, Mathews.
Ryan Matthews. Maybe you need a roster sheet?
He’s hurt.
Dawkins would have given them a hometown discount, but they played hardball and insulted him. But I agree with your point.
“I can’t recall the Eagles having a young trio of receivers like Jordan Matthews, Josh Huff and Nelson Agholor. You have a 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick and 1st round pick.”
Tommy – Did you forget all about the glory years of Todd Pinkston (2nd round pick), Billy McMullen (3rd round pick) and Freddie Mitchell (1st round pick)?
They would have in ’90 if Ryan hadn’t decided to cut Cris Carter instead of trying to get him help for his substance abuse problem. They drafted Fred Barnett in the 3rd round and Calvin Williams in the 5th round.
Should i be nervous about Murray not practicing? I am.
no dude hade 500 carries last year, we talking about practice?
Nah, they know what he can do. Probably to give other RBs reps to see how they look.
I don’t know man, they only run like 4 different run plays.
That’s because our media is absurd and have been making too much about this since camp started… I LOVE how they are treating Demarco. dude had an INSANE work load last year, they should be holding him back this summer,,, Personally, I wouldn’t let him carry the ball more then 3 times in the preseason… I don’t want Sproles, Mathews or Murray playing in the preseason.
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Worrying about Murray when he isnt injured is typical Ohilly media nonsense,,.
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If we are going to believe in sports science, we can’t complain when we hold playërs back because trying to avoid injuries because of what the data tells us.. If we want to continue being one of the healthiest teams we can’t complan when they take injury prevention methods holding playërs back, especially vererans
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When Murray needs to have surgery on something, then we can worry. Being held out in the summer as injury preventive methods because of bumps and bruises is a good thing…,. Murray is KNOWN for an extreme work ethic, very studious… You can bet he will be ready to play in September no matter how they treat him this month…… I Hope they are cautious with him during the season too… Murray ISNT on a 1yr deal, we have to be careful with his body so we can get 3 good years out of him…
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if Murray CANT Practice, I would be worried…. Choosing to Hold him out even tho he can play is nothing to be concerned about, especially when we are talking about a veteran known for hard work and preperation,.. He will be ready to roll in September..
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Speaking of the subject, hopefully fans finally understand the concept that some of our veterans will just be going thru the motions in the preseason trying to not get injured… Hopefully we learned not to judge preseason too harshly after the past 3 preseasons. There are certain players that NEED to play their hearts out in preseason.. But there are also veteran players we are just trying to get a little work in, while prioritizing staying healthy first and foremost..
I can understand AND appreciate him being held back by our staff. I guess what makes me nervous is when its unclear what the real issue is. I’ll be a big boy and have faith that all is well. I’m definitely not opposed to him being rested. I live in Dallas and I cannot wait until he’s unleashed week 2! #BIRDGANG
i don’t think there’s an issue, i think he’s just managing reps
After reading how Murray was running angry yesterday, I got excited. He was a stud when they played Seattle and we’re going to need that when we make the playoffs. Keep that man healthy.
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Right! Can’t wait to go from a finesse run game, to an angry Physical style rushiñg attack
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When Murray sits out, and then practces the next day, there is nothing to worry about. If we see him miss 4 straight days of practice, then we worry..
No Ertz in practice today either.
“Huff showed flashes of real talent last year”
He had 8 freaking catches. He is 5’11” two inches taller than Boykin.
Enough koolaide Tommy. $ucking Chip’s Tip isn’t going to get you hired by the Eagles. Give it up.
Pretty sure Tommy does this as a side hobby and has a real job unrelated to it.
Why are you even bringing up Boykin? He’s gone. He could never cover tall receivers, he could never cover fast receivers. Chip didn’t want him, and got what will likely be a 4th round pick for a 4th rounder that we got 3 free years out of.
LOL blessing the blog with your intelligence again I see. Comparing a nickel corner to a wide receiver makes no sense but coming from the idiot that you are it makes sense.
Yeah Huff will play the slot, he is 5’11” how is a person 2″ shorter not able to cover him. hmmmm.
Brandon Boykin is maybe 5’9″ with sneakers on. I’ve seen them getting on the bus from the hotel and Huff is a much larger person than Boykin is.
You probably had nut in your eyes.
can you just ignore this donkey and avoid days like yesterday when you let a troll pollute half of the comments section with his trash because you were giving the donkey attention he certainly doesn’t deserve?
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What are you going to get out of doing a back n fourth with this worthless trash?
I get a kick out of showing this guy up thats what it is. I think its funny.
I minimize the comments of posters who I don’t respect before I can read what crap they wrote…. I had to minimize 2000 comments yesterday because of this donkey….
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I wish he would go roll around in the mud with phillymag trash like Token
Yea I hear ya brother. I will relax with the commenting on his post. He might be the inbred child of Token.
He’s a Cowgirls fan. Take him out with the trash.
He is definitely a cowboys fan.
hey dingdong missed you where you been? is today computer day at Bellevue?
How do you know this? Have you stayed here too?
The people in Jonestown drank Flavor-Aid, dipshit.
I have no idea what this means.
Figures, you moron. Words just spill out from you without any comprehension.
You need to move to Jonestown you freak of nature.
Is it really that hard to not respond to lingy ding dong? Obviously an attention whore with deep mental issues. Let that thing die off.
I won’t be satisfied until someone shoves a ban hammer clear up his ass.
Vinny Curry practicing as a stand-up edge rusher today.
Hope he looks good there. That kinda versatility might solidify his future with the team.
What if?
If the Eagles had kept Cris Carter, got him help for his substance abuse problem like the Vikings did, and they would have had a trio of Barnett, Williams, and Carter in the early-to-mid 90s.
Easily would have been the best trio they had and given the Eagles their own version of the ‘Three Amigos’ or the ‘The Posse’
what if….they just paid TO
Don’t know if they draft the WRs like they did if they kept TO but yeah. Interesting what if.
Eagles simply haven’t been an elite franchise since then and despite what yammerings Lurie makes they have been very run of the mill the last 5 years.
It would be the “Tres Amigos” of TO, Pinkston, and Thrash? I’m not sure if having TO makes you the best trio ever.
Mitchell. Thrash left us before TO came on board to be the 4th WR on the Skins.
You are thinking Reggie Brown wouldn’t have happened if TO stayed?
Carter wasn’t taking the help offered and he said him self that buddy saved his life by cutting him
Slot rotation today: Eric Rowe (1s), EJ Biggers (2s) and Jaylen Watkins (3s)
and no Ertz around, hope hes just dinged up
I wonder why Rice isnt in there.
Good question.
Maybe they are exclusively working him outside?
I think so… They typically want rookies to learn 1 position, and Rice has been ourside during the entire Camp… More alarming is Randall Evans name not being in the Nickel rotation, but Seems like em they have Rice focused on the outside… Probably feel that Rowe’s safety experience makes Nickel an easier transition for ROWE..
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But I would bet money on Jaylen Watkins winning the starting Nickel job as long as he stays healthy.. Im very excited about his opportunity to play and show what type of year 2 leap he has made..
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Truthfully, I know everyone was buying the JaCorey hype, but even if JaCorey never got hurt, I still would assume Watkins would have started in September, but who knows…
Evans might be working exclusively outside as well.
They’re getting better looks at those guys is my guess.
They all suck Donkey Balls.
Maybe I have a weird sense of humor, but I like this guy’s sense of humor. It’s nice when more than one reporter (Kempski) makes funny remarks about the mundane.
https://twitter.com/LesBowen/status/631876683985985536
You have a really crappy sense of humor. Les Bowen is wanted for commandeering children.
seems like every one of the worst drops at practice is by Nelson…
but also some of the best catches…
true, lets hope hes getting the drops out of the way in camp instead of season. Needs to stay late and hit jugs machine with his buddy
This was literally the exact story last year with Jordan Matthews. He dropped some in games, too, but then got over it.
sounds like, if it is a problem, there is someone on the team that is ready to jump in and help him get over it. #culture.
He is a bust.
Do you bring any type of intellectual comments or conversations?
Maxwell schooling Agholor. Bradford tried 3 passes to NA, all incomplete
Wow, I hadn’t even noticed that. The true taste of greatness will be whether or not Agholor can make it so that Eagle fans don’t shutter when they hear the initials NA.
namdhi or nate? both
You just blew my mind.
you forgot about namdhi huh?
Actually, Nate.
suddenly flooded with doubts
win some and lose some. Bradford 0-4 in that series
updates/tweets are really slow today.
He should be schooling Agholor…. People question how good Maxwell really is, but I have a feeling he is going to be even better then we hoped.. for a corner who just got 60mil and is easily the big name star of our secondary, this kid seems like he is the epitome of what chip means when he talks about what quality players with a “Growth Mindset”…. The guy is ultra competitive, and he still seems really thirsty to learn and continue to grow as a corner. this guy first and foremost wants to WIN as a Team, but he also wants to continue to grow and strive for greatness.. not only is he highly competitve but he is said to be really intelligent football brain… . This is NOT a man who got PAID and is now kicking up his feet chilling… he not only brings his individual work ethic every day, but he has dove right into our culture and is trying to help our young players Develope on both sides of the ball..
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the Addition of Maxwell will be HUGE for this defense. I expect to see some Monster games out of him this year.. I expect him to win his share of Battkes and shut down some of the really talented WR in our division.. Putting him on the field should automatically cut down the X plays we gave up, especially when we are playing Another Corner, Thurmond at safety..
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This City has a very rich CB and Defensive history,.. After everything we been thru these past 5 years in terms of secondary mess, Im so Giddy to have Maxwell/ROWE as our CB of this chip kelly era… Maxwell and ROWE have the talent to one day be talked about with the Bobby Taylor/Troy Vincent, Lito/Sheldon tandems,,….
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NNamdi, DRC, Curtis Marsh, Nate Allen,Kurt Coleman, Bradley Fletcher, Jaqwain Jarrett, … We have been thru DB HELL, and im so excited about the improvement we will see in our secondary this year and in the future as guys like ROWE, Watkins, JaCorrey develope. and we add another talented DB or two..
vet vs a rookie should be schooling him. should be ruining his whole camp, no catches for rookies
Maxwell has a chance to be extremely valuable, transcending our Defense to Elite Status…
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We will quickily find out how Valuable Maxwell can be when Maxwell has an Opportunity to step up, and get the Eagles out on a 2-0 start..
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shut Down Julio Jones and Dez BRyant, and the Eagles are 2-0… I Can’t wait to see every snap from those two matchups
i dont think he’s a shut down guy, but he’s a guy that won’t get abused multiple times on the same play like fletch did last year. i think the secondary being better generally will help him out. heard we might have him shadow #1s
Yeah I think that’s what they are talking about.
What about Asante/Sheldon tandem?
I acknowledge Assante has a great Philly corner, but I’m not a fan of his softness… I’d like to see tougher corners in Philly then Samuel… But Samuel is the last good eagle corner pre Chip Kelly’s era
He may have been soft, but it was more to do with size then all mental. The guy was a game changer. I remember Peyton going on record as saying he was the only CB he really feared in the NFL after we beat the Colts in 2010.
The guy led the NFL or was second in that category for years.
You may think he was soft, but offenses were scared of him and many QBs were afraid to throw in his direction.
He brought the game changing plays and Sheldon brought the boom. That combo definitely deserves mention in your honorary Eagles CB tandem.
Agholor is a bust.
Alejandro Villaneuva (guy from last year) put on 100 lbs and he might make the Steelers team.
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/eye-performance/201508/pittsburgh-steelers-lineman-alejandro-villanueva-100-pounds-army
How in the hell did he do that?
no testing when you’re out of the league
That’s what I want to know. That’s 2 lbs a week, so he must have eaten a lot of carbs and creatine to be that jacked in a year.
Or he might get popped with a suspension for steroids. But that’s crazy.
He came in straight out of the military last year, so that’s a good 20-30 right there. But 100 is a lot, without getting fat. Still, not willing to slander the guys char without knowing anything about the situation.
Yeah, but it’s hard not to think about how he got there.
It would be libel. Slander is spoken.
Poi and Heineken
Boykin was standing on the scale with him.
And zero chance he would even be a back up here at ol
In other news, JFK is dead.
I am hoping that 3 years from now, “The Hulk” Mihalik our 7th round rookie will have developed into a better NFL player then ALejandro and Kruger…
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I assume The Hulk will be placed on Practice squad without anyone poaching him away..
Very excited about our HOLY Trinity of young WRs..
Pope Jordan the 81st
Arch Bishop Nelson
Cardinal Huff
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“if you ARENT a starter, (1) special teams play and (2) versatility is key for winning a backüp spot”-Chip kelly…. Translation: DONT SLEEP ON GJ KINNEY!
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While it seems obvious that our stable of WRs will be made up of Jordan,Nelson,Huff,Tutu,Coop and Austin…. My “Gut”‘isn’t so sure. I can’t shake the feeling that GJ might end up sneaking onto the 53 man roster
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GJ is allegedly a quality ST player and when it comes to Backups, you won’t find more versatility then GJ Kinney who can play WR outside, in the slot, emergency RB and Emergency Gameday QB… There is no WR THATS more versatile or a better ST player then Kinney….. But to make the Roster, Kinney will need to beat out Miles Austin or Riley Cooper for a roster spot because our 3 young WRs and Tutu are LOCKS to make this roster IMO… So let see:
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1) Riley Cooper:
A) .if we are going to have a top 3 run game, and run the ball half the time, it means that Riley Cooper becomes an elite WR 50% of the time, since he blocks as well as any WR in the game
B) with Bradfords touch, accuracy and anticipation is seems as tho he is deadly when it comes to fade passes and back shoulder throws which can turn a big strong, jump ball WR like Cooper into a Redzone weapon for us. Demarco is awesome at running in the REDZONE. Coop can come in and block for him, while also giving SAM a Big Body, big catch radius target to throw Fade or back shoulder TDs to…
C) Contractually, cutting Cooper now is not IDEAL. Much better if we cut Cooper after this season
D) If I’m not mistaken, it’s been a while since Coop played special teams, no? He used to be a nice ST player but it seems as tho he hasn’t been used much on Teams since Chip and Fipp took over
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Mile Austin:
A) probably a tad more versatile then Cooper in terms of being more effective bouncing between Linning uo outside and the slot
B) HASNT played Teams in years, both Coop and GJ bring much more to our ST then Austin does
C) Like Cooper, Austin can also be a big catch radius REDZONE weapon for a QB that Is very good at thowing Fades/back shoulder throws
D) off the top of my head, ISNT cutting Austin much easier financially speaking then to cut Cooper now?
E) Austin brings a veteran presence, longevity in this league, I assume he is the best mentor we have for our young WRs
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While Coop and Austin are probably better WRs today then Kinney! GJ easily brings more versatility and special team ability then both
Kinney:
A) Special team contributor, possible replacement for Boykin in ount coverage
B) Gadget player.. We didn’t see many trick plays last year, and I think a lot of that had to do that as didn’t have many 2nd and short opportunities, we were a poor first down offense last year, which should change since Demarco won’t lose yards on 1st down
C) extremely versatile, giving us an emergency RB(which we needed last year when we had to ask Burton to play RB to run the clock out)… GJ also allows us to continue to ONLY dress 2 QBs on game day, since GJ gives us an emergency Gameday QB who knows this offense inside out which is a role we lost when we got rid of both Casey and Brad Smifh
D) cutting Coop n Austin might cost money, but you don’t have to pay GJ much
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on Paper it looks like a complete no BRAINER that we will keep Coop AND Austin ahead of GJ, but I’m not so sure… If we plan on Giving playing time to our 3 young WRs, with Ertz and Sproles often getting snaps as pass catchers, There probably aren’t going to be many snaps available for Coop and Austin, and with those two players being so similar, im not sure if we will end up keeping both…. If Ertz,sproles,Pope,Huff and Agholor are going to all see plenty of oass catching opportunities, there probably won’t be opportunities left for a BIG ROLE for both Coop and Austin.. And if those two veterans basically become Backups we have seen that chip kelly is dead serious about using versatility and special team ability when selecting who makes the roster as a backup… And Kinney brings much more in those two aspects then Coop and Austin.. Not to mention those two are pretty similar, no real reason to keep both…..cutting Coop is more expensive, coop is probably the better ST player, both have similar abilities as a WR…..so I guess I’m leaning towards Keeping GJ Kinney and Cutting Miles Austin..
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huff, Agholor, Pope, Tutu, Coop and GJ…..
is kinne really decent as a WR? can he get back to the Practice squad again or no?
don’t you feel a little more comfortable in a game with Miles as the back up WR as opposed to GJ?
what’s GJ size?
it sounds like he makes some pretty good catches in practice for sure…
Isnt Tutu the better option also?
I have Tutu as a lock to make this roster because his ST value is Up there with the likes Of Captains Maragos and Braman…
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Thinking Tutu, Maragos,Prosinski. Burton, Braman, Hicks will be our Key ST players….. At times we will also see starters like Malcolm Jenkins play on Special teams…. hopefully Marcus Smith and ROWE also prove to be big ST contributors..
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The MOST important position we need to fill IMO is replacing Boykin on Punt Coverage who was masterful at gettimg down field and keeping Donnies punts out of the ENDZONE… Guys like Kejon Barner, KINNEY, Nolan, Watkins, possibly Rice Will look to replace Our key Gunner..
He still has PS eligibility under the new CBA.
By all accounts he’s an excellent practice player, even took reps at safety last season.
I have no idea… Never seen him play WR before… sanchez was talking him up tho, and he was talking about what a big advantage it is for KINNEY to play WR after knowing this offense inside out thru the eyes of a QB…claims its a big advantage for GJ… But I can’t speak on what he is capable of as a WR, although he is a good athlete..
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If we are going to continue to enjoy an elite ST unit, we have to understand When Chip values ST play so much when it comes to choosing Backups…
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If a bunch of WRs got hurt and we needed a backüp to play today, I would guess that Austn would be the better WRS today… But with 3 young WRs ahead of him, plus Sproles and Ertz who will often be used as WRs,im fine with chip using ST play to decide who makes the team as a 6th WR.
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If we don’t keep GJ KINNEY, we may have to dress 3 QBs, which chip has not done these past two years since he could lean on Casey or Brad Smith as emergency QB’s on game day…
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This comes down to the criteria used to select the 6th WR…l if we are talking about a simple case of keeping the best WR TODAY, then I assume it’s a no BRAINER that Austin becomes the 6th WR…..but if Chip is going to continue to put a premium on ST ability and versatility when choosing the bottom of his Roster, then I dont see how we can rule out KINNEY over a older player who can’t even play ST if we keep him as a 6th WR..
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Heck, Jeff Maehl may also get some consideration…
i’m ure we’ll find out on sunday
Huff sucks. WHy would be excited by a guy who had 8 receptions and on most of them he fumbled. I dont get it.
Run along kid…. Plenty of other posters will be happy to role around in the trash with you… Good luck trying to get me to ready your worthless nonsense … Now back to the kiddie table you go…
please get it ready on the double!
Well, on most of them he did not fumble. You clearly just rely on stats and not any actually skill of seeing talent.
He had 8 catches. If he had talent he would have had more than 8 catches and four fumbles!!!!
This is the last thing I’m going to you. You are clearly a sad human being that needs somebody’s attention. Get yourself some help because annoying people or needing response to negative attention is a sign of longing or a general unhappy mind set. I’m not saying it to be mean, I’m saying it because people that show your type of behavior generally need help.
It’s not healthy to sit at a device and eagerly wait untill you effectively annoy people and get a response.
Annoy my nuts in your wife’s face!!! I think it’s funny. I heard ppl notching about trolls on WIP today. You guys get so bent out of shape. It’s funny IMO
oh Im sleeping on Kinne, Im snoring. How do we know hes any good at ST? Also, the gadget thing and emergency QB is a bit of a reach imo
It’s a reach to call a kid that was our 4th QB for two,summers an EMERGENCY QB, after we used Tight end JAmes Casey and WR Brad Smith as emergency game day QBs? …… An emergency QB is simply a guy playing a different position who you rather have as an emergency QB for 1 game, rather then waste a roster spot on a 3rd QB on game day…
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If im not mistaken Chip hasnt dressed 3 QBs in a game…he typically deactivated the #3 QB on Gameday, making Brad smith and James Casey the emergency game day QB… If he had pur #3’TE and #5 WR in an emergency QB role, it’s probably safe to say he wouldn’t scoff at a kid who was an actual QB for us for 2 summers as an emergency QB….
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Gadget thing is a reach? He is a jack of all trades, master of none, who chip talks about as a Swiss army knife type whenever his name comes up..
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He is practicing on ST every day. Pretty athletic kid.. I would be lying if I claimed to know what level of ST play to expect out of him but I think it’s safe to say he brings more to our ST them a 10yr veteran who has battled all sorts of injuries..
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If it’s a simple case of the 6th best WR winning the #6 roster spot, I would assume Miles Austin makes it over GJ…. But if versatility and ST ability really plays a big role in selecting who makes the team as the 6th WR, GJ becomes relevant to the competition..
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Personally I don’t give a shit who they keep as the 6th WR
I didnt know that about him only dressing 2 most times, interesting. Unless he keeps Tebow and goes that route as the 3. Hes def better there than Miles, who is kind of a big unknown at this point per making the roster. Interested to see him in preseason games. I could see Miles and Tutu even as 5 and 6 but you make a fair point per dressing 2 QBs. All Jeff Maehl keeps doing is catching TDs in practice, is he just a sure out then at this point like we all hope?
If MAEHL survives another cut he is officially the Cockaroach who lives thru nuclear bombs
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I really have no clue who to rank the bottom half of the WRs,.. Austin,MAEHL,KINNEY, Pratt, Bailey I really have no idea how to rank them, especially since I really don’t know how to rate them as ST contributors…
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If we needed a WR to step up in a big game, im sure we would probably feel more comfortable with Miles Austin… But I don’t know how common it will be to see a guy who adds nothing to ST win a 5th or 6th WR spot… I used to be frustrated by how much importance chip placed on ST when selecting our backups.AND THEN I saw the best Special Teams I have ever seen on any level, and Now Im perfectly fine with the extreme importance chip places on ST play and Versatility
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I wouldnt be comfortable betting on KINNEY to make the roster over Austin, but I used to feel like it was an Obvipus no BRAINER that we would keep the 3young WR, Coop, Tutu and Austin, and now Im starting to wonder if maybe it isn’t so obvious which 6 WRs make this roster?..
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For me, the value in keeping Austin is having a veteran presence for our 3 young WR.. I don’t know if I trust Coop as the only “wise Old Vet” for our young WR to turn too
How do you know Kinne is better then any of our WR on ST, we have never seen him play it?
I don’t know that he is BETTER then ALL our WR’s at all… I have no clue how his ST ability compares to Cooper, but my post is about Miles Austin, and I can promise you that GJ is a better ST player then a 10year veteran Austin(who won’t even play ST for us)… Someone who plays ST is automatically better (I assume) then a WR who doesn’t play ST..no?
Ok, I was just responding to the part in your comment in which you said there in no WR that is more versatile or a better ST player.
But which ones do I take for my fantasy team??!!!
1 – Pope
2 – Arch Bishop
3 – Cardinal
Sry I’m late to the party. Which is which?
mm nvm, read the next post
Hands down — JM.
[…] Eagles’ wide receivers are on the […]
Interesting point made by Malcolm Jenkins.
https://twitter.com/ZBerm/status/631896954293850112
Yep, because theoretically another S could come in during nickel and shift Thurmond or Jenkins to the slot.
Which is exactly what they did last year when Boykin got hurt against the Niners… The In game adjustment was Wolff came in the game to replace Jenkins at safety, and Jenkins moved to the nickel spot on 3rd down..
Am I to take that Jenkins is a bit salty about some guys being held out?
He’s having fun with it.
It’s interesting because it does seem to imply that Murray is out for reasons other than injury. I don’t think Jenkins would sarcastically offer Murray a chair if he was hurt…
Pretty sure he was just givin murray crap. It’s not murray’s fault he’s not in there.
ouch, they said andrew gardner has gotten reps 3 days in a row, can mathis come back?
Gardner actually played well at the end of the year when he played RG. That’s my opinion from watching but it’s backed up by the analytics geeks at Pro Football Focus. He sucked when he was playing OT.
Think Gardner is going to beat out Tobin at RG, but Tpbin could beat out Gardner at LG…. Think MOLK is Gardners only real competition for RG… no idea what happens with Graf, kelly or Bunche..
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You mean Moffitt is Gardner’s competition for RG, right?
Yes lol my bad… Hate Molk….. Moffit is only competition if he can shake off all the rust and return to top form…. I assume it’s Garners spot to lose…
I would love for Bunche to start throwing people around in the PS. Powerful kid… But Bunche probably won’t be developed enough in pass protection to stick in front of Bradford..
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personally, I look forward to upgrading Molk, Vandervelde, Kelly and Graf in the near future… Not sure which, if any make our roster.. Don’t care for any of them… Moffit isn’t practicing at center because he is playimg “catch up” at Guard, so I worry that we have to keep Vandervelde OR Molk to backüp Kelce early in season.. I prefer Vandervelde. Lessor of two evils
What if Tobin goes with the 1s tomorrow? If so, I think that means CK is trolling the reporters.
I like Tobin, but posters putting him on a pedestal ahead of Gardner was Not accurate…I thought Tobin looked solid at LG, but was horrible at RG, wifh Gardmer proving to be much better oh the right side.
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I think the RG spot is Gardners to lose, with Moffit possibly returning to his old form being the only real threat to Gardner…
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But that’s just my opinion from what I have seen, which hasnt been much.. I assume all 3 will get a chance to start and play next to Lane in the first 3 preseason games, so we should be able to have a good idea who will win by what happens in these next 3 games. At this point, I doubt what happens in practice is having much effect on who wins the starting Job… That needs to be decided from preseason games when we can go after the DL full force unlike our practices..
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I like Gardner, Tobin, Moffit above the rest, but My guess is we see
Gardner start at RG
Moffit backüp Gardner and KELCE at RG/Center
Tobin backing up Barbre at LG
That’s 7 OL… No IDEA how many we keep, probably not as many as last year….. Either 1 or 2 more will make it out of Graf, Kelly and Bunch which are the T/G and Vandervelde pr MOLK as the G/C
Well, we know Tobin, Gardner, Moffitt, and Vandervelde have all gotten time with the starters at RG. I think they are likely our top 4 after the certain starters. Then, Kelly spoke highly of Malcolm Bunche so he probably has the developmental 9th spot wrapped up. Tobin probably has seen time with the 2s at OT because he’s the most athletic and capable of stepping in at LT or RT without necessetating other moves on the line(shifting Barbre from LG to LT for example).
Eagles missing practice today were: linebackers Ryans, Alonso, Kendricks, Braman, safety Wolff, RB Murray and TE Ertz
Wolff? Say it aint so…
Also, Tommy, I love your work and almost always agree with you but WRT Molk “play effectively”? I have to disagree with that assessment of his performance last year.
I agree like you and Geagle I hope he is gone.
I think Greg Richards can stick around as long as Molk and GEAGLE hit the road.
Molk was,a hot pile of Garbage… If he played good. We aren’t setting the Bar very high,.. That’s like Cleveland Browns type “Good”
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I will feel much better when he is No longer on our roster…. I’d Rather,keep Vandervelde and Bunche over him.. ATleast Bunch has some Power to work with
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if we were to Lose KELCE and have to go with a backüp for lke 13 game stretch (God forbid).. I’d rather play Moffit at Center, and let him build his way backüp to being a solid player, rather then to play Molk or Vandervelde for 3 months..
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We are fine at tackle… need to draft a G/C talent next year
I am struck by how positive you are about players like Huff, Smith, Gardner, Ertz, Kinne etc. showing growth as a result of our excellent training and coaching, yet at the same time do not even consider the possibility of Molk improving. Is there a reason?
I think it’s possible, but he will seriously have to improve his core strength. He’s perfect athletically for the scheme but lets himself get pushed right back into the QB. That one overwhelming weakness outweighs everything else.
I don’t think Molk is an NFL talent… Kinney? Really? A don’t give a shit about GJ Kinney nor have I ever seen him play anything other then QB, I have no idea what to think of him other then he is versatile and plays special teams which often gets you a spot on chips bench.
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Marcus Is who I wanted us to draft remember? And I wanted to draft him for THIS year, Knowing he wouldn’t do anything as a rookie…if that was my expectation what has happened that should make me not excited about MS2?,.. Gardner played better then people have him credit for last year, I saw a an NFL skill set in his game, where as I saw Molk get blown into our QBs lap every other pass play… I have no idea what Molk looks like these days, maybe he put on 20lbs and got much stronger for all I know, but last year I didn’t see an NFL player when I watched him play… He is an eagle right now, so I would love to be wrong, but he needs to show me something before I can get the image of him being blocked into Foles lap out of my head..
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Ertz? Really, you have to be a blind, deaf and dumb to not be excited about Ertz… huff was drafted in the 3rd round a year ago, only morons are down on a 3rd round pick who has been here 1 year..,.
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If I don’t see any value in a player you want me to pretend I do? Sure Molk was mobile but WTF do you expect when he was so undersized? How could he not be mobile?
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Any other questions?
Wow, relax. I am not wanting you to do anything and I am not disagreeing with you and I am not trying to pick a fight.
I mentioned Kinne because you had a comment in this thread where you sounded excited about his WR prospects. The other guys receive about 1000 words of endorsement per discussion thread.
I am more excited about this group of players and this staff than I have been in a decade, I was not implying your confidence is misplaced.
My question was simply what it said, curiosity at why Molk gets the cold shoulder. Not hidden agenda, no secret implications.
GEAGLE get the fukc outta here
You have benefitted from a very patient community over the last few days. Personal attacks are a good way to see that patience evaporate.
Benefitted my ballsack. Up yours.
Its best to ignore the little dingy dong. Poor girl doesn’t have friends and there is a reason for that.
Tommy seems to be asleep at the wheel…
Tom doesn’t ban people WTF would you like him to do? If you stop giving the flea attention he will be gone by Monday
I haven’t responded to him at all.
a giants fan a cowboys fan and an eagles fan walk into a bar ..
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bartender says,
IS THIS SOME KIND OF A JOKE ?!
I don’t get it
since we have the wholly trinity of WR’s we don’t really need tebow then right?
or wait do we actually really need tebow then?
Allegedly, Agholor beat Maxwell for two catches today, and after that our DBs buckled down and had an awesome day, shutting The offense down, getting q bunch of picks…chip and the coaches said our DBs are playing tighter coverage, and challenging our WR more then any of the previous years.. Today it sounds LIke that was evident even for our reporters to see…
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… ROWE was said to have had a rough day yesterday, his first day in the slot, went home, watched film and showed up today much improved… This is a GREAT SIGŃ! Young players are going to make mistakes, but when you really have a good young player on your hands, your mistakes are fine, because the special youmg players immediately learn from their mistakes, don’t repeat the same mistake, and grow from having made the mistake… It really sounds like Agholor and ROWE are using mistakes to grow into better players.. The mistakes they make today, they go home and study tonight. And come back tomorrow a having yesterday’s mistake corrected….. This is a GREAT sigń fom our top 2 picks..
I’m stoked about these two guys.
also shows you why Jmatt was such a great signing too, he is a born leader…he’s all action
Yeah man, Jordan is extremely valuable, Especially as he develops into one of our best players….. When your best players have his type of work ethic, it sets the tone and forces everyone to practice harder….
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I’m excited about Jaylen Watkins too… I expect good things out of him in the slot
The forging of a samurai sword is a beautiful process. Such a sharp and balanced instrument with infinite potential for death and destruction.
I couldn’t contain my excitement in anticipation of this season… until I read that Andrew Gardner is getting the most reps at RG. 🙂
RG won’t be an integral piece of the puzzle nor should we read much into who’s getting more reps, I suppose. Just pleaaaaaaase put someone else in there Chip. Please? We gotta have somebody.
Seems like the Miles Austin signing is kinda redundant at this point, no? I think we save $1M out of the $2.25M we spent if we cut him.
geez you cut miles he’ll be in the hospital for weeks
A lot of these guys haven’t played in real games yet, or not played much. I think some veteran experience to help in situations which have not yet come up is probably called for. And I’m not sure I really count on Cooper to have that experience. If he is obviously much worse that still may not matter, but I’ll still be surprised if he does not make it.
Don’t think he’ll be cut. He provides veteran mentorship to all the young WRs and is able to step in if anyone gets hurt. That is likely more important than trying to save $1M. I don’t see any of the other WRs pushing for a spot in the top 6. Maybe Kinne, but I’d rather keep him as the #3 QB.
Fair points. Sheeeeeeeeed Bailey though! 🙂
Malcolm Butler kid doesn’t look bad at corner for the Pats..
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Can’t help but think how amazing our defense would be if Devin McCourty took our offer!
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Lol Bellichek starting Malcolm Butler at one corner and he has a rookie corner on Jordy Nelson rather then start Bradfley Fletcher lol
They better sub Aaron Rodgers out. pats going to injure him at this rate
McCown is the starter in Cleveland?
Lol thy actually like him.. They talk him up lol..
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Let me know if RG3 and Johnny look like crap, that would bring me great joy.. I’m watching Pats vs GB
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Love how NFL network shows the replays for every game
Awesome to see Eric Berry is expected to play Saturday. I’ve just been paying attention to Eagles
Yeah really happy for that young man
Redskins making McCown look like Aaron Rodgers.
Geagle was right, I’m drawn to the mess the Redskins are like a moth to a flame.
Lol trainwreck Dynamic… Plus it’s always fun to see a rival look like crap..
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Jonas Gray just turned up the speed and he broke a 55yard TD run and the Pats went for 2 and got it… 8-3 Pats
they’ll be good, lagerette blount might be my fantasy guy now that they’ve cleaned ridley and vareen out
Murder leg is starting for the browns?
Isn’t Alex Henery still unemployed? If Murderleg gets a job before Alex, that’s bad..,
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Clear difference in talent between the Ravens and Saints. Saints might have a bad year this year.
As I say that, Brandin Cooks gets a TD – LOL. Interesting though that it’s halfway thru the 2nd quarter and he’s still in there.
Niles Paul looks like he was injured for a season — Skins don’t have much in terms of TEs left.
I was just about to post that. Been flipping between the Ravens game and this one.
yeah i turned ravens off — clear talent mismatch as you said.
Oh, yeah? what’s it looking like? I’m stuck watching the Pats and GB on NFLN
20-14 Ravens after the Saints just scored. But these are 2nd string guys, if the 1st string played out the game the Saints might have gotten blown out.
Oh nice. Thanks. How did Breshaud Perriman look?
I haven’t seen him. I may have missed him between switching channels though.
Oh, and the Browns are up 14-3 after Manziel ran for a TD.
Jordan Reed is supposedly healthy
LOL – Beginning of the 2nd quarter and the Redskins fumble away a punt return.
gotta love watching them
WR sleeper (to some)Jeff Janis scored for Packers…so similar to Jordy Nelson.
Johnny football just ran a td in
Quentin Rollins been in at CB for GB. He kinda just got beat giving a little too much ground but he looks pretty fast. It could have been a long gain but throw was terrible (Underthrown).
Jimmy Garoppolo looks like Carappolo. Reminds me of Koy Detmer.
I hope he’s not playing against Dallas
You know Dallas beating the Brady-less Patriots will make for an unbearable media season. We’ll have to hear how they are ready to compete for a Superbowl until they are officially out of contention.
I kind of like how have been counted out. I think most media outlets have us between 7 and 9 wins. I think the Cowboys and Giants might be good competition, but I like our chances making the playoffs this year.
I think if our CBs are better at the press this year, our defense is going to surprise a lot of people. If Bradford stays healthy, we’re going to dominate some teams.
I know that’s a lot of ifs, but I like our chances.
The only teams in the NFC I’m not sure we can beat are SEA and GB
That’s about where my head is at too. Have to watch them play a few games to get a better idea.
I think we match up better with SEA than GB though. Then again a lot has changed since last year
how bad?
He just underthrew Boyce again this one should have been an easy TD to Boyce. Needed to put air under it.
Just threw inside , shoulda been outside so he was picked at NE 29. He’s always been like this but maybe he will improve during preseason.
Pretty crappy
How did Manziel and RG3 look?
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GB back up Tolzier looks better then Garrapolo.. Wanna see Brett Hundley lol good thing the eagles should have drafted him in Round 1 lol
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Waiting for the Cowboys to start… What are the odds Sean Lee gets thru a quarter without getting injured for the season?… Hope Attachou hits Romo a few times
rgiii looked not great, took some hits, manziel looked better but still just ok
Nice.,. Thanks..
Byron Jones and La’el Collins watch in a few minutes. I’m not hoping for season ending injuries but shit happens sometimes.
They never did anything to anybody…
Oh I’m not cheering for it to happen but I wouldn’t be telling any Dallas fan that it sucks for them if there is any injuries.
Ah I see
Think Dallas starts at 10:30 but Byron and Lael probably won’t play with the 1st team, so we might have to wait a little,,, I’m just watching so I can see Sean Lee play before he inevitably hurts himself…
If he lasts through preseason then I’m sure Demarco will truck his ass and Lee gets hurt somehow.
The game just started, Dallas is driving
Are Redskins fans not included in the joke because their franchise is so irrelevant?
A lot of people find racist jokes distasteful.
This sucks.. Dallas isn’t playing Romo.. Wanted to see him get hit once or twice ;(
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Curious to get a look at Melvin Gordon., did Cowboys pass on Gordon… Happy he didn’t end up in Dallas
So Randle isn’t starting? I wonder if there’s meat on the sideline.
If I’m not mistaken Randle and McFadden are hurt
Whoever decided that we have to wait til Sunday to see the Eagles play is a real prick… I want to check our Mariota Vs. Falcons tomorrow since we play tn week 1
I sort of like it because in a way it feels like a regular season game. My Sundays now has more to it then just a relax day. Besides, I can entertain myself by watching the other games on NFLN. Having our game on Sunday just seems to build more excitement for me.
Ameer Abdullah rushed for 67 yards on seven carries in the Lions’ preseason opener Thursday night. — might be a sleeper for me in fantasy
I think he will be. Is he doing PR and KR as well? I really liked him coming out. I think he will be a big player for the Lions for years to come. Definitely expect him to make sports centers top 10. Lions have been raving about him during TC.
The only thing that really worries me about him is that he needs to learn how to hold onto that ball better.
Fun fact, Brandon Weedan is as old as Allen Barbre, Demeco, and Miles Austin.
Funner (not a word) fact…. I doubt he will be in the NFL much longer. Just another disappointing pick by the Browns.
I hope Dallas is forced to play him for several games…
It’s very possible.
How is Brent Hundley looking in the Packers game?
He looks good against 3rd stringers.
Three people I’m most looking forward to watching on Sunday are MSII, Pratt and Agholor.
MS2, Jaylen Watkins, Rowe
Classic Cowgirls screwing up lol.
Cowgirls DL can’t stop the run. Demarco and Mathews are going to have a great time against them if this is how they play all year.
Greg Salas- 92 yards and a TD…. ex Bird.
i always really liked him — jets game?
I don’t even really remember him all that much. I just recall his name on the Birds at one point.
I know it is the first preseason game, but Dallas shut out through the first quarter? Seems like they left some meat on the bone.
Gotta love Jason Garrett in the official’s ear about a call 10 minutes before during a preseason game. Way to focus on what matters.
La’el Collins looks good so far at LG.
yah he does but it’s 3rd teamers probably
yup
Yep…bastard.
Why do they review plays in preseason?
Practice?
“iron sharpens iron” … I love it
AVERY GREENE . . .
Great link the other day to the RDiddy story on the Pope – Jaws/Pisarcek story from 1980.
New Orleans voodoo was too strong, unfortunately.