Coaching Targets – Early Edition
Posted: December 29th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 1,003 Comments »Chip Kelly is gone.
So who will be the new coach? There are 3 assistants I have my eye on.
(in alphabetical order)
Adam Gase – Off Coordinator – Bears
Hue Jackson – Off Coordinator – Bengals
Josh McDaniels – Off Coordinator – Patriots
I have some interest in Sean McDermott, who is the DC in Carolina.
There is one current head coach I like – Sean Payton of the Saints.
This is my list, not something I’ve heard. Jeff Lurie might have very different ideas.
I will write detailed posts on these candidates as the coaching search goes on. The key for me is finding a coach that has strong relationship skills. Chip obviously left something to be desired in that area. The new coach can be young or old, white or black, from offense or defense…he just has to connect with players.
Kelly could not get the best out of this team. The new coach has to be able to do that. Finding someone who understands the psychology of an NFL locker room is important. You must be able to push the right buttons to win in this league.
I do not see Lurie going with another college coach.
One thing I would love to see is the Eagles going back to the 4-3 defense. I miss that. From Reggie and the boys to Hugh and the boys to Trent and Derek Landri, I love seeing the Eagles play the 4-3.
We’ve suddenly got a lot to talk about it. I’ll do my best to get everything covered in a timely fashion.
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I’ll write out my thoughts on why Chip was fired. For now, the quick version. I think a big part of it is what I covered in a previous post. He was tied to just about everything with the team. I’m not sure you could make small changes with him remaining the center of things. Any real change meant dumping Chip.
As to the timing…I could only speculate at this point. We’ll have to see. I don’t think there was some crazy incident, but who knows. This is a very fluid situation and lots of details will emerge over time.
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First
Please keep the “first” B.S. on Spadaro’s page. We don’t need it here
Doesnt harm anybody. Nothing wrong with it. There is far worse said here at times.
Read that page sometime – that’s all they talk about. Let’s keep this page about oh, I don’t know, the Eagles!
I agree but no need to be a dick tater 🙂
a tick dater ?
the eagles are fupped duck at the moment.
agree ..being “first” only counts if you add something
In a 4-3, your front is Thornton-Cox-Logan-Curry, and your LBs Barwin SAM, Hicks MIKE, Kendricks WILL?
I’d assume it’d be Graham – Cox – Logan – Curry.
Totally forgot about Graham. Oops.
I am giving Alonso a pass on this year… can be hard coming back from serious injury and he is perfect SAM backer if he can regain his previous form.
I see him more as a WILL with Barwin being SAM. Kendricks and Alonso would fight for Will. Its possible to have Kendricks at SAM. I see him more of a SAM then Alonso even.
Barwin would be best SAM on this team though.
I like this idea
but only literally. Make them fight for it and maybe Kiko will remember KIKO SMASH
Barwin could also play DE in a 4-3. That was his position in college and could easily drop back into coverage. I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing Graham-Cox-Logan-Barwin D-line and Kendricks-Hicks-Alonso as the LBs.
Would rather have Curry playing DE as long as he is resigned. I think Barwin would be a good SAM. He could put his hand down in some situations, but at the NFL level i really think he projects as a better LB then DE.
Might give Smith a chance as he’s a 4-3 guy.
With what he has done i think he really isnt an any scheme guy. That being said i do think he projects as a better 3-4 guy then 4-3 guy in the pros.
Graham over Thornton. I really dont see Thornton being here next year if we switch to a 4-3, and Graham is a much better pass rusher then him anyway.
Hart would replace Curry on known run downs. Or maybe if Allen progresses then he would take over DT for Cox and Cox would replace Curry on known rush downs.
“I have some interest in Sean McDermott, who is the DC in Carolina.”
I however, do not. McDermott is a crybaby who whined about being 12th in yards allowed while his D set a record for being the worst in the red zone over a 30 year period in the NFL. Trent Cole, who was a model citizen and teammate, destroyed McDermott’s “coaching” in the press. McDermott benefits from having unbelievable talent in Carolina and the use of Ron Rivera’s D scheme. Ask Vikings fans how hiring Brad Childress worked out for them in the long run.
McDermott is pure shit. I hate him.
f you…..you are a pure dick….mcDermott is far better that your pussy boy chip
Fucking kill yourself.
Wow! What a man! You know a who-o-ole bunch of naughty words!
lmfao…. what?
Shut up McDermott
Same thoughts on McDermott. When McDermott was here, one of the rubs against him was that he did not relate well to players. In Carolina he landed with a defensive minded HC and a team loaded with talent. In 2 years that McDermott coached the Eagles the team ranked 19th and 21st in points allowed. In Carolina his defense finished in top 10 only 2 out of 5 years – in 2013 and 2015. He is overrated.
woooohooooo…..what a ballsy move by Jeff Lurie to cut his losses…to all you chip lovin fools….suck on eggs tonight fanboys…..woooohooooo……go birds go eagles….go baby go
Have fun with your 2 win team next year dummy, don’t cry too much about it and scream during games cause you know jack shit about football. Go back to your corner son I never seen you here before.
Sans idiot McDermott, I really like Tommy’s list.
Gase is a smart guy. Hue Jackson makes great stuff happen everywhere he goes. McDaniels may be ready for another shot! (Just no Tebow please)
Sean Payton might be my favorite name on the list however. Just don’t let him GM.
hue jackson? great things? bengels raiders, and redskins?
No thanks.
Maybe he was thinking Wolverine…
I agree 100% These guys deserve serious consideration. I want At least a REAL quality DC if not an out right defensive coach. We be came a team without toughness at all once JJ left us ;(
re: timing
https://twitter.com/Tim_McManus/status/682008859402059776
I doubt 6 or so days makes a huge difference. They could have simply put feelers out and fired Chip less then a week from now if that was the case.
Aside from McDaniels….that list is downright depressing. Ugh, the thought of another rebuild sucks.
I don’t like McDaniels.
Agreed, please no McDaniels. Hue Jackson is a very interesting candidate imo.
steve spagnulo
I’m sure andy Reid looked depressing when he was a name on a list at the time we were looking for a coach
I was real young when it happened, but if im correct i dont even think he was on a list that the public thought of. It was a left field hire.
Please. No one associated with the Patriots. I have a strong stomach, but there are limits.
According to Sal Paolantonio of ESPN, Lurie wanted to strip Kelly
of his general manager duties and that Kelly refused. At that point, a
decision was made to let Kelly go.
Things I will trust Sal Pal to tell me correctly: his name.
That’s it, that’s the whole list.
I trust him slightly more than I trust Eskin
Okay, this is funny.
https://twitter.com/hoobsher/status/682005583277371392
Kelly was seen tossing a ball back to Murray on his way to the parking lot. Murray dropped it.
Tommy, back in 2013 I seem to remember you quite liked Doug Marrone for the HC job, would you still have any interest in him? He’s AHC/OL in Jacksonville, with Gus apparently staying for another year, I assume he could be had
Marrone isn’t really a guy I like.
I don’t like him.. Marrone and Niners coach Tommasula are BALDI’S Jock buddies, think they are a bunch of Doufus’s
I still have interest, but the way he bailed on Buffalo was awkward. Heard there were issues up there. Need to do some research.
Great point! But that may have been associated with their GM being a bit of a dope. The whole QB situation there was odd.
Yeah i remember listening to buffalo radio station around that time. I heard them interviewing eric wood and he said he had no idea that Marrone was leaving until he got a mass text that he sent to the team. He didnt sound like he was impressed with that at ALL
Marrone was pretty unprofessional in Buffalo, period, same as Pettine in Cleveland.
Im told #eagles owner Jeff Lurie had been getting players input on Chip Kelly. Obviously not good feedback on the coach — Eskin
Hugh, Trent and Reggie have to be over the moon to be mentioned in the same sentence as Derek Landri
Derrick Gunn is ecstatic right now
Keeps trying to make it a race thing
yup, dude has held a grudge since the Mccoy trade because that was his boy
I don’t love this firing. You let him tear it down and fired him first year. Guess lurie was afraid he would do too much more harm this off season.
That’s a good point, maybe the things Lurie was hearing from and about Chip made him think he hadn’t learned the right lessons from this year and was going to compound them next year.
yeah, this seems probable. Lurie being patient and everything would be up for another year of Kelly if Kelly even said that he sees where he needs to do better and will have a plan to present to Lurie after the season, blah, blah. Kelly, as has been in his press conferences lately, talked with Lurie and probably talked about player execution, a play here, a play there, will tighten things up next year, ….
They must have discussed Chip’s plans for next year and Lurie didn’t like what he heard.
Lol maybe chip said something like “I don’t know if it’s worth paying Cox”, and LURIE got scared and fired chip immediately lol
I certainly was. The Eagles will probably suck for a few years now, but Lurie had to stop the bleeding.
takes a deep breath, tells himself not to overreact… ok, being as objective and non-reactionary as i can, we are looking at a very possible 1-2 win season next year… we go to the bottom of the rebuilds yet we dont have a top pick… that is some crappy place to be in – no qb, new offense, new defense, new everything, and a mid-round first round pick AND no second round pick… ok, just got to accept next year and at least the offseason will be way more interesting
We have to lose to the Giants.
This might be a reason why he was let go. He was planning on winning another meaningless game.
Feel free to overreact. I think we are screwed for many many moons.
I think we can easily win 6 games without Chip
Bruh Fangio
Chip apparently talked to Jay Glazer — why this guy gets scoops i don’t know. But basically said “dissapointed with way things turned out, results oriented business, wants to stay in NFL”.
I think Glazer is a Chip fan, just a feeling I get.
i think he is too, i get the same feeling
Glazer is friends with players and coaches. Most scoop guys are tight with agents. Huge difference.
Id rather have Panthers OC MIke Shula, than Sean McDermott
For some reason I really like Hue Jackson as a top candidate.
Hue Jackson is really really smart at putting together good stuff on O. I like watching his squads play.
My thoughts exactly. Also he did take a job in Oakland when they had absolutely no talent on that team. I think he can be a guy to turn things around more quickly and can work with what he is given in Philly.
And his mindset seems to be he’ll scheme some stuff up, no matter what 11 dudes he has. If he can find a DC with those qualities, it’ll be a great thing!
Agreed. With the things Cincy has been doing in recent years maybe he’d bring a few assistants from there if he lands a job.
maybe their secondary coach Vance Joseph who is known to be a great up and coming coach….Cincy blocked him from talking to teams last year
That would be cool with me.
I watched the Broncos-Cincy game and my first thought was how far, far away we are from either of those teams.
Yeah I don’t hate him at all… I really like what MIke Shula did, he devised an offense that fits his offensive talebt perfectly, we could do something similar with the power run game stewart and Tolbert, with Murray and Mathews…. I don’t Neccessarily want the panthers pffense, I just respect how well it’s crafted to the talemt on that team… For that I respect Shula, more than McDermott coaching Riveras defense after spending a first round pick on defenders for like 8 years in a row,.. I can coach Luke Kuecahly lol
I’d rather have on-line voting for all team moves than McDermott.
Something tells me that Howie has been tracking potential coaching candidates for the last year the same way he used to track potential draft prospects.
“Dear Marcus. I’m coming!” signed Chip.
if that happens it will be all-time nfl creepiness; his focus on MM creeps me out
Very good point and im sure he was very motivated too!
well back to the 70s where we sucked every year
And the Phils, and the Sixers.
I know right just look at the powerhouse teams in the nfceast right now, he said sarcastically
We may never know, but something big went down between Chip and Lurie. Otherwise, regardless of disagreements about the future, Coach finshes out one final game.
Chip needed total control can’t get it winning 6 games.
Yeah, this is a possible and maybe likely scenario.
Lurie: “I’m taking away the GM job you apparently don’t think is yours anyway.”
Chip: “I’m not coaching here without full control”
Lurie: “Don’t the door hit you in the ass on your way out”
Chip didnt say high to him as they were passing each other in the locker room
Here’s an idea for a more interesting topic (to me at least):
Do the Eagles have the personnel to run a 4-3?
Yes
Does Marcus Smith II have a chance to contribute as a 4-3 DE?
Yes.
I think the Eagles clearly have the players to run a successful 4-3. Not so clear on MS and his future.
Can Vinny Curry play the run well enough to be a starting 4-3 DE?
Won’t matter; he’ll wind up being too expensive to keep.
Graham-Cox-Logan-Barwin D-line and Kendricks-Hicks-Alonso as the LBs or also switch Barwin to LB and find a way to keep Curry to be DE?
barwin would more of a DE in a 4-3.
My thoughts exactly buddy. Also he played DE in college and plays DE on downs recently so it wouldn’t be out of the question. Also think that would be the best way to maximize the “talent” at LB.
You mean the same damn question that’s been talked about like 8 times here in the past few days?
if that’s the case, then yes.
Think Graham, Curry. I’d say yes. If they go 4-3 maybe Curry will want to stay.
A lot of my distaste at the idea of hiring McDermott is because of his performance as DC with the Eagles. To be fair, I haven’t followed his career much since.
He runs Ron Rivera’s D in Carolina and has been blessed with 6 pro bowl players on that D. Don’t be fooled.
Spend like 15 first round picks on Defense and watch me coach them lol
Who calls the plays on D?
I wouldn’t eliminate him out of hand but im not a big fan. Maybe the change of scenery helped and he has worked with great coaches in JJ Andy and Rivera now.
He was thrown into a situation he was not yet ready for because of JJ’s death and because JJ’s other heirs apparent had gotten other jobs.
True.
He should be thrown into a volcano.
With all of the Gnats for company? ;~)
You sound like a Prep guy that just doesn’t want to give a LaSalle guy his due.
The level of contempt I have for McDermott, due to his putrid work as DC here, is unlimited. He was a major reason I feel like we were cheated out of a deep playoff run in 2010.
Eh, Jamal Jackson going down when he did and not eeking out one more year, the catastrophe at RG is what doomed us. We outscore everyone otherwise…
32nd rated red zone D and the worst one the NFL had seen in 30+ years. With a D that was 12th in yards allowed. All McDermott.
Does this mean MSII was a CK pick?
If they release him this offseason then yes it was a Chip pick.
That would be telling.
eh, they can make it look like a chip pick. I always got the feeling he wasn’t just by the way Chip’s attitude and demeanor seemed to change when the reporters brought his name up
I feel the opposite. It struck me as Chip impulsively telling Howie to pull the trigger instead of trading down again.
I’m totally shocked.
and I actually posted this a day ago:
“I did not see 2016 as the make or break year when we signed him. I don’t know of any brand new coach who has a leash that extends beyond year 2, anything beyond that has to be earned in my book. Rule of thumb being success buys you 2 years, progress buys you 1. But then by that model he’d be gone after this year.”
take that doubters. Kidding, Actually the context of that was in a comment thread I started saying 2016 would be a make or break year and GEAG’s was all, duh, of course, everyone knew that the day he signed. That was my response.
In Lurie I trust I guess.
Wow wow wow Jeffry Lurie just dropped the super patient act, and joined the NOT FOR LONG league. Never never never did I expect LURIE to fire Chip, but I have to admit, I have a new found respect for LURIE showing some hunger for success and holding the Eagles to a certain standard. I was convinced Chip would get another year but I thought he had a lot of evolving to do and adding a lot of Variety, adjusting his beliefs to be successful, now we no longer have to worry about chips ego absorbing those lessons, and hopefully we hire an experienced Coach who understands this..
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Dereck Gunn is saying playërs texting him saying “ABOUT TIME”
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Jason Peters quote that he plays for LURIE not the coach..
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Really surprised LURIE went out Of Charechter and stepped up and decided chip wouldnt be able to do any further damage,
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Didnt something crazy have to happen for LURIE to fire him today and not wait a week TIL the season ended? Also makes me wonder what happened at Novacare when an always cordial Fletcher Cox went all Marshawn Lynch to the media today because he was so pissed off,.. What happened? Then again, Vinny Curry said he found out about the firing by watching NFL network so maybe nothing crazy happened?
..Certainly not going to be a dull pffseason. How do we look at the draft prospects now that we don’t have to view them with chips standards?
Go back to howie’s standards?
No. The team does not need a ” Number 1″ wide receiver who can’t score and doesn’t respect his teammates.
They are already losing, why go back (or continue) that?
this draft will be interesting.
this off season will be interesting
He did draft Fletcher Cox last time he picked as High as we will, and Lane Technically
idk who i want as head coach right now. Everything is so up in the air. From Qb to what kind of defense…
I bet a part of it was Chip’s determination to play the starters this
week against the Giants in an attempt to win a meaningless game. This
week is a pretty much pre-season game to both teams and we should see
all the scrubs playing. Put a bunch of starters on IR if possible and
bring up the entire Practice Squad (if that’s allowed).
He was going to be all, Fletcher Cox is expendable in my system, all players are.
Lurie fired him on the spot.
Everyone’s job is important, but no one is indispensable.
Chuck Noll
;~)
Chip Kelly was the hot name at one time.
he’s blowing up twitter right now.
https://twitter.com/caplannfl/status/682016134527234048
interesting.
But why not until after the final game in just five days? Something went down.
Tank the last game?
yup. Think he was going to try to win. if he was getting fired anyway might as well lose.
Reubin Frank: In 2011 and 2012, Pat Shurmur was head coach of the Browns and Bill Davis was his defensive coordinator. Welcome to Cleveland!
Just saw John Barchard tweet saying he spoke to a source who said Kelly already has two offers from NFL teams
probably kelly’s agent, but i wouldn’t be surprised.
I would be surprised. Virtually everyone who has failed this abruptly has had to eat humble pie jobs. Even Belichick, who was a legend before his first shot.
Hmm, my memories of Mangini is faulty. Mangini got another job quickly…
in Cleveland and i think that only lasted a year because cleveland
i wouldn’t be surprised if this came from kelly’s agent
Browns and titans
Barchard has been slobbering over Kelly for a few years now. I don’t exactly think he’s the most objective source. The idea that other NFL teams would be willing to offer Kelly a job within two hours of his being fired, without doing any due diligence whatsoever, and without technically even having open jobs to offer him, strikes me as ridiculous. Unless owners make coaching hires as quickly as Kelly consummates major trades.
hoping he goes to the cowboys!!! id love to play him twice a year
He quit. He wants to coach Mariota.
creepy focus on MM
So Glazer says he was pulled into a mtg. with Lurie and fired and Chip didn’t fight the decision.
I always said whenever Chips eagle career was over, that Howie would end up hiring chips replacement… Now that it happened much sooner than expected, are we,comfortabke with that fact knowing Howie pushed to Hire Chip? Howie is such a Cockaroach surviving the nuclear explosion, rising from the ashes of the equipment office,, lol watch the Power go to Howie head and he purges the entire roster of former ducks tomorrow lol..
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A BIG POSITIVE is a change in coach who doesn’t have such a unique system, may Tailor everything around our best players so this firing may be able to salvage the Eagle career of guys like Murray and VINNY Curry who don’t fit chips specific scheme requirements… The next coach may be able to better use playërs that didnt fit in chips system.
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The main problem is that now we have no fucking clue what happens at QB.. I want Bradford back, could he entice Sean Peyton?
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If LURIE was really a BOSS, he would have acted like nothing was wrong, finish the season, and orchestrate a trade sending chip to Titans lol
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I want SAM back, that’s our young QB, Lane is our young LT, Kelce is our young center, Ertz, Jordan a Marques Colston clone, Sean Peyton could probably build a nice offense around that..
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Hopefully we add some friggin POWER Lineman..
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can we PLEASE tank the last game with all backups, especially bench Bradford before a disaster happens and he gets hurt so that we can give the next coach the #8 pick in the draft? Last time Howie drafted that High he got us Fletcher Cox.. Just SAYIN..
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What defense are we running? Will Murray get to run behind a fullback? Will Kiko get a chance to see if he gets his explosivness back in year 2?
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If we do go back to a 4-3, VINNY Curry starts at DE, Cox puts up Monster stats, Hicks can play MIke, Kendricks can play WIL, I guess Kiko can play SAM if he gets healthy..
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Wow wow wow wow wow…. Certainly not going to be a dull Offseason, Everything is up in the air and on the table..
Gotta go back to a 43. Eagles beat writers should be paying royalties for the way this organization keeps feeding them w/ stories.
It’s funny, Gus Bradly still has a job. That dude must be feeling the heat now (it’s been confirmed he’ll be back next season). The dude that went 26-21 just got fired.
Gus Bradley, How about Marvin Lewis??
Well I bring up Gus, because he’s the guy we all used to look at as the guy we almost hired then said “oh thank god.”
oh i know, i was actually a pro-gus guy 3 years ago…..i just saw another tweet saying Chip had a better record than Belichick,Payton, Carroll and Rivera in their first 3 seasons……..and i see a lot of talking heads saying the fact he didn’t win a playoff game so thats why i bring up marvin lewis
good point
he probably feels like djax felt.
I think it says far more about the difference in expectations between the two organizations.
I always found it interesting how he escapes criticism whereas numerous members of the media have been chomping at the bit to tear Chip down. There’s always someone claiming Chip’s a fraud and his system is gimmicky blah, blah. Regardless of his current status, he did win here and did prove he can win at the NFL level.
Gus Bradley spent 6 years in NFL before being hired as HC, therefore he is an “NFL guy”……that’s all there is to it
Good point. Absolutely no one is expecting the Jaguars to crawl out of the basement. Next year might be the first season anyone dare hope for a playoff appearance from the Jags now that they’ve confirmed the division isn’t good (as opposed to Andrew Luck will dominate the AFC South until he retires narrative previously)
King Dunlap was starting for the Chargers, proving anything is possible in the NFL.
Can’t believe this. I’m speechless. I am without speech.
Sounds like something George Cosatanza would say.
I wrote that and then decided to check and, sure enough, Seinfeld it is.
Good one.
Elaine said it too. 🙂
Said this in the previous thread, but I sincerely hope people aren’t putting blind faith in Howie. I have not forgot some of the shitty drafts he was a part of.
I think it’s pretty well established at this point that some of the shittiness in his early drafts were Andy Reid picks, such as the abominable Danny Watkins.
and giving roster spots to Chad Hall all the time…
Fucking Chad Hall, I’d completely forgotten about him.
I hear he has gotten into coaching…
I see your Chad Hall, and I raise you a Reno Mahe!
I see your Reno Mahe and raise u a Greg Lewis (Punt Returning no less!)
such a scary train of thought that I gave you a downvote out of respect…
you go tme thinking thrash stinkston Freddie simoneau and oh man, dhani jones yuck
Hahah well earned first down vote… Gonna need a make up upvote tho!
(Pssszst .. shudnt u be “chip ship failed&sailed”?)failed before he sailed?
Well maybe I’m not an english major lit either way I think he put the cart before the horse so this is in line with that. Lets run the ball with a 3 headed monster but not get anybody to block for them!lol
Now i get it yep nice
ha nice one!! he and reno mahe used to drive me nuts .. so whenever people bash Josh Huff I think of those 2 and wish we had Huff in their place
I should have added, I do believe he’s great at negotiating contracts and understanding value.
But pardon me if I forget the timeline here since it seems to be so blurry. Andy had too much of a hand in those 2010-2012 drafts, and then Chip got full control??? So Howie essentially had no say in the drafts?
I think the only draft that we feel certain Roseman was fully in control of was Chip’s first year in 2013. Reid held more power when Howie started and Chip obviously had more sway late.
The two best drafts of the past 10 years were probably 2012 and 2013. Those happen to be the two drafts in which Roseman is said to have had the most control.
If they switch to a 4-3 defense, I think they should make it a priority to resign Cox ASAP. He would KILL it in a 4-3, and probably demand a whole lot more $$ after the season.
Other than that, it makes sense for Graham and Curry.
Barwin to some extent as well, as he has 4-3 DE experience from his college days.
I completely agree, we still have 4-3 personnel and I think Fletcher Cox/Vinny Curry would be a brutal 1 gap interior DL combo.
Howie would be hip to that at least
I seriously hate being a fan of this team
But love it at the same time.
that’s called love amigo
Not a dull time THATS for sure
think of the super bowl tickets & hotel money you save !
https://twitter.com/JayGlazer/status/682019818929664001
Holy shit, I was totally right about Lurie hanging onto Roseman in case Kelly imploded.
I hate that list of potential coaches.
Mcdermott might actually be the most palatable of them for me, but it’s a really crappy list.
For the rest of our lives, “In Chip we trust” will be a punchline.
He may gone down as a worst coach than KOTITE… KOTITE sucks but he didn’t do the damage Chip did
Kotite didn’t require the same kind of blind faith in new ideas though, which is why it’s still the better punchline.
C’mon Kotite was so awful
Chip is definitekY a better football coach, but KOTITE didn’t do the damage chip did… Right or wrong, Chip will go down as the guy who gave away shady, Desean and Maclin. Don’t think philly will remember that kindly
I hear you.
I sure won’t remember it kindly.
People actually told me I looked a lot like Kotite, so I chose elective surgery.
kotite went 10-6 / 11-5 / 8-8 in first 3 seasons .. and the NFC was way way better then!!
Chip is below Kotite.
Chip is below Kotite.
Chip is below Kotite.
I think he left the next coahc w/ a lot to work with. But he’d prbably still be here if he dind’t want full control.
I think this is even more shocking than trading Shady or releasing Desean. I can’t remember the last time I’ve been caught this off guard by an Eagles move.
Probably since we traded McNabb on Easter
Holy shit, SAM Bradford not having to run crazy zone read option offense? Get a fullback and Power Lineman for Demarco?
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Tickle me intruiged
Tickle yourself
Id be ok if Bradford doesnt resign n the new GM HC starts from scratch.. Need to get young n more talented.. Tough but exciting times ahead
QBs are playing into mid-late 30s. I think Sam’s still young in that sense. Needs to gain a lot of weight.
Needs to strengthen those glutes lol
I really liked the offense. Peyton is the only guy that’d really interest me. Keeping him off of Giants would be imporfant. Howie must have been putting in work during the last year.
Id love PeYTON, he could work wonders with SAM, physical RB, ERTZ a pass catching poor mans Jimmy Graham, Jordan a Marques Colston clone… Intruiging for sure…
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But LURIE may hire a coordinator to be a first time head coach
Need to keep Payton away from Dallas. If he becomes available the ginger meat puppet would be fired in a heartbeat and Payton is a Texas guy who has already worked for JJ.
No way I see Peyton putting up with Jerry Jones
Sean PAYTON has enough cache to keep JJ in the owners box. Plus his kid is really running the show there now, hence the drafting of offensive line end
I wonder how the players feel?
Happy..
yeah if players were upset he’d still be here — think it was a personality driven decision as much as anything else.
I don’t. They are ecstatic. That is a big reason he is gone, the player s obviously didn’t like him given some of what leaked out this year (Murray, Jenkins etc)
Cole, Mccoy, djax. I’m sure it hurm him to get swept by skins this year
Someone reported Lurie got info from players on how they felt about Chip.. Wasnt good
And that playërs are now texting media members saying “about TIME”
OK. That was unexpected.
Give Lurie credit for not wasting time. Done means done.
In Chip We Trust. Ahahahahahahahaha
Systematically eliminating every star we had. We got one left. Fletcher Cox. I can’t help but wonder if Chip’s plans didn’t involve him, and Lurie wasn’t going to let him leave the cupboard bare.
Oh and Chip is going to the Cowboys. Mark my words. What a jerk. (but then we could get Rod Marinelli as DC!)
I wondered the same thing
I hope he does !! wud lov to play him twice and think of those BOOOOOOOOO’s !!
it sure guarantees national tv time
and maybe he will trade with uS!
and take murray back
and sacrifice the future of the boys for MM
What time is the PC tomorrow?
noon
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Culture beats talent..
yup
chip’s culture sucked .. and his talent is in debate
So… does this mean the Chipwagon has to shut down?
The wheels fell off that wagon.
Pouring gasoline on it as we speak
Oregon ducker bailed out weeks ago, must have seen the writing on the wall.
He is sick.
Lol wonder how many fans we lose with all the oregon fans jumping ship
Condemned by City’s Department of Health. What they served induced bazooka vomiting.
It’s too bad, i really do think Chip bought in the All-22 and people really caring about scheme, package plays, other interesting things he was doing.
Football Czar was probably too much for a dude that had only been a HC for 6 years and with not titles to his name.
A lot of people were wondering where the accountability was this year. Nobody got benched for awful, lackadaisical play, Riley cooper kept a job etc. well at least we have some accountability.
i thought during the season he coached like a coach confident in the security of his job. (GM’d like it as well). A coach who felt they might be fired, would not let some individual players keep playing so poorly they would risk the coaches job.
Tommy why mcDaniels?? Why? The success of Belicheat’s coordinators is awful and his personal experience as HC is awful. Being a good OC with the best head coach // qb combo ever is different than running the show. Please explain how he can be at the top of any list.
God forbid
https://twitter.com/BatMandervelde/status/681995744123867136
tweet of the year
that dude is hilarious
I’m sure some details will inevitably leak over this week but this makes the franchise look pretty amateurish.
The owner willingly gives full control to the coach and then fires him less than a year later without even finishing the season & is bringing back the guy he got rid to take charge of player personnel?
Rock and a hard place man, Chip forced his hand last offseason. Chip’s power play for personnel was when I started disliking him. Didn’t feel right to push Howie out when it seemed coaching was responsible for collapse late in 2014.
Well, there is a reason the franchise doesn’t have a super bowl. a series of currupt/inept owners plays a big part in that.
Safe to say that Demarco Murray 1, Chip Kelly 0….
I’m once again excited to have Murray on the team. Let him play as a N-S back and do his thing.
Right, a new coach that will actually run plays that work best for our high paid runner? What a crazy concept
lots of people scored points. Trent Cole, Shady, Desean and Stephen God Damn A, so dirty right now. I feel so dirty.
Right, the worst part about this will be stephan a smith gloating like the race clown that he is
And Heath Evans, oh my god why!
Right, that piece of shit WON!! Ugh!!!! Dirty, so so dirty
I hope Chip goes to the Dolphins (a franchise that Heath despises)
maybe Kelly will replace Evans on the nfl network, or have them on together, anything to figure out how to make all of the gloating more bearable.
Chip should have probably waited to buy that house
I think TO still hasn’t sold his house yet
Oh crap. Bet on the Eagles to absolutely blow out the Giants on Sunday.
be interested to see if there’s no drops / penalties — all that stuff cleaned up.
i feel the exact opposite
You’re probably right, but given that this team is the definition of frustrating, they’re gonna show us what could’ve been without Kelly.
i’m just looking at it from the angle of one team going on the road who just got their coach fired, even though some maybe be happy about it, and were just eliminated in the playoffs by the team who are now the champs and they are playing a game against a team whose own coach may retire and has led the organization to 2 SB victories…..the team may be hyped up to get him one last win…..and boy i hope they do
Right I would have kept chip.
seems like the way of interim coaches. Lead a run down and struggling team directly to a blow out victory.
My cousin and I had this discussion at the game on Sat night. He argued that most of this is Lurie’s fault. Lurie always gets enamored with the ‘shiny new thing’ and is willing to cede all of the organizational power to one person. Ditto it with Rhodes, did it with Reid, and now did it with Kelly.
Hard to argue against that although firing Kelly now is completely stunning. Kelly either said or did something that caused this to reach a head after the press conference yesterday.
I think that’s kind of BS, Reid was a great hire, even if we didn’t get the Lombardi during his tenure.
Best coach I have had the pleasure to root for
Reid wasn’t the 1st guy they were looking at though and after he got named GM this team did steadily go south with the exception of the ’08 playoff run.
I agree, things did go south with Reid after a time, but its hard to argue with his first 6 or 7 years. We were a powerhouse year in and year out, could have gone all the way any of those seasons.
According to PFT and Sal Pal(take this with a gigantic grain of salt) lurie asked chip to stay as HC but bring in a new GM and he balked at the idea, and it was then when lurie made up his mind to can him
Good for Lurie then. Better to have the clean break than to let this drag out.
amen. actually really glad that we can start over now than “wait and see” if he can fix it next year.
Can we put bill callahan on the wishlist as an o-coordinator if not a hc. has framiliarity with demarco and has “fixed” two nfce offenses and would love him to come here and get the power run game fixed
maybe an OC, he’s clearly a hell of an o-line coach. I like how people are excited about DM now when last week it was “get rid of the bum”.
I wanted to get rid of him simply because I thought chip was staying and demarco is an awful fit for chip’s offense. now that we can run an nfl offense, demarco can do his thing. never thought he was a “bum” though
I haven’t left that train, especially since he wasn’t being used to his strengths.
Hard for me to think Lurie wanted to take power away after one year — makes me think he was on the fence about it generally and that howie has probably been in his ear since. Not a big fan of the flip flop.
Of course he was. Chip clearly made a power play last summer and Lurie reluctantly gave in. Howie is Lurie’s guy…
This really surprises me. I loved Chip’s smarts and his growing mindset approach etc. I acknowledge this season was awful. Stupid mistakes never got fixed. His GM moves were a little good but the bad (OL and WR) made us awful. His tempo with an underperforming O hurt the D bad. But I hoped he had self awareness and would fix. I’m really surprised. I’m not saying he did well just I feel sad it didn’t work. I was so excited when he was hired.
werent we all
Me too.
It’s funny, Chip seems totally open to challenging other peoples ideas about how to do things but strangely hesitant about his own.
exactly
I was a fan of Chip and still am in a way. I would have given him next year to make good on the overhaul he did this past offseason. with that said i did start to wonder about him as a coach this year. He talks about “growth mindset” a lot, but my biggest complaint was how much he shrunk his playbook this year. Seemed like he was much more “fixed mindset” himself
As of, 2 hours ago. I felt Chip was a smart man who obsesses over football. It seemed to me he had a million ideas. But he opted with: stay the course, get different players. I was sure he would learn from this and have a million other ideas to chose from. He must have lost the lockeroom. Kelly does thing different. And players only will buy into weird stuff if it works.
Maybe Lurie decided that he didn’t have the self awareness — or the players behind him. Gotta think that if it wasn’t player driven he would have gotten another year. But if players aren’t into the coach hard to really come back from that.
Will say, listening to Spadaro the last couple of days there was a different tone from him, not saying he knew anything but i think there was a vibe that something might happen.
Poor Bradford, the kid is destined to never get to play in the same offense two years in a row lol
It’s ok, at least he’ll have his undeserved millions he got off that rookie deal, and probably millions more to be some teams backup next year.
I’ll be pissed if we lose him… I think Lure and Howie know how legit he is,.
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LURIE raves that andy had SAM rated the highest since PeYTON.
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Gotta keep SAM in Place.. Have you seen what Jordan mathews said about it being Neccessary to bring back SAM?
He did ok but didn’t knock my socks off. Sounds like the rest of his career.
hadn’t a few ppl called him a ‘coach killer’ ?
I feel like it’s a 20/80 he stays now
Sounds about right. Totally depends on who the new coach is and what that coach wants. Most new coaches are going to want to start from scratch. Bradford is literally damaged goods.
What would a new coach get to start with? I thought Sam finally showed enough ability that in a proper offense, with a running game, he could take us far. Which potential new qb could you say the same of, Kaep?
it just takes away one plus – he was going into his second year in the system and that gave him an advantage over a free agent with similar attributes. we can assume it’ll be a new offense next year so no matter who we have at qb they will be learning a new system
I could see SAM wanting to be here more,,.. Was he really thrilled never Linning up? Was he really thrilled being in a read option, with a built in swing pass to compensate for his lack of run? I guess it probably depends on who the next coach will be,,
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Wonder if LURIE insists on keeping Shurmur who LURIE really is said to respect as the OC to keep the Bradford situation in place?
Sam is going to be a free agent, and I don’t see much of a reason for him to give preference to the Eagles offers over others any more. He is going to be starting over regardless.
There is always that pesky franchise tender. So I have always considered it up to the Eagles one way or the other.
Let shurmur go unless next HC wants imo
I’d like to see what a new coach could do with him, especially with an offense that generally tries to go beyond the 6-8 yard radius. I so wanted to see them stretch the field some more, but didn’t really start trying that until NE.
Fuck yeah, he better stay
In my more cynical mood, it’s hard for me to feel sorry for a kid who has pocketed $10s of millions for little playing time. On the other hand, yea, it would be cool to see him fulfill his potential (especially in an Eagles jersey) with good coaching and a suitable scheme.
actually that’s a good point. one of the biggest arguments for keeping him was his continued development in the system.
Still important to contine his chemistry with guys like Jodan and ERTZ,. Jordan just went on a long rant about the importance to bring SAM back
Trotter said to a man, every player he talked to lost confidence in chip
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Ian Rappaport Murray told LURIE he had NO Confidence in chip
Murray is not surprising. I really don’t think they utilized him the way they should have. I think that might have had to do with the line, but I felt bad for him because I wanted to see him go N-S a lot more instead of the many sweeps or off-tackle runs they did.
Those fucking outside runs with Murray man… Chip was so goddamn stubborn with those. I still don’t feel bad for Murray though, it’s a bitch move to complain to the owner about your playing time.
Not really. If your boss isn’t utilizing you the way you feel you should be used, or your career is stagnant – you go above them and take your career in your own hands. I’ve seen people do it and get put into a different group – or in one case the manager fired because they weren’t developing their team.
I guess I see it differently because Murray has already achieved his maximum potential, career wise. He likely won’t see another contract with any value but I see your point.
The OZ is very similar to the stretch runs Murray made a killing on in Dallas. The whole “he wasn’t used right” argument isn’t really valid.
The OL failed them all this year. I think IMO Murray wanted 25+ carries a game and he just wasn’t going to get that under Chip. Losing doesn’t help that situation either.
Jenkins, jason Peters.. Allegedly some of our leaders weren’t very happy with chip
Where is Oregon Duck? I’d like his input.
Haven’t seen him in weeks. Assume he’s been on a 3 week bender in Acapulco.
Think his Mother is ill.
He has been very sick recently. I spoke with him on one of the threads last week Would absolutely like to hear his insight on this. Hopefully he doesn’t leave the blog now that Chip is gone.
Ahhh sorry to hear about him being sick. I agree, I hope he sticks around. Always enjoyed his insight. Thanks for the update.
https://twitter.com/EliotShorrParks/status/681996177043099648
so it’s not just Chip that treats them badly
Because,it happened after the players went home.. Tell Eliot to fuck off. He is useless
This gives the Eagles an excuse (and hopefully) cover to go through a rebuild while they get rid of some bad contracts, don’t get forced into signing Bradford to an ill-advised long term, large dollar deal, and sift through this roster to see what fits and what doesn’t.
Love to see a transition to a 4-3 scheme with the personnel they have for starters.
Where are the bars louder tonight: In Philly or in Eugene?
Question is does Kelly come into play now for one of the elite college jobs including LSU or Texas. I bet USC is kicking themselves.
Titans
man we could have got a 5th round pick for him
I was wrong. I didn’t think it would happen.
I think everyone was wrong. I saw 0 people ever suggest Chip would be fired before the end of the season.
popular narrative after detriot, less so after NE game.
Yeah.
No, on 24-7 and Cobb’s site there were lots of people that actually thought he was going to get canned.
Three NFL teams have already reached out about Chip Kelly. Only one of those three currently has a “vacancy”. — ben albright
Please don’t tell me we are hitching the wagon to Bradford now with a large 4-year deal?
I’d laugh if chip joined Billy B’s staff for a year.
That wouldn’t be far-fetched at all.
Started wearing mandatory hoodies with cut-off 3/4 sleeves.
Crossed my mind..
Trotter “I would love to see Bradford back, people don’t understand how well he started to play since Carolina. can you Imagine what he could do with a guy like Maclin? He was throwing for 275 yards on the money to guys who barely got seperation”,.”I like SAM a lot, really smart, talented he can do big things in this league”
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AMEN PREACH Trott…. The stats really do a diservice to how well Bradford started to play the position… I don’t Care who they hire, better keep SAM if we can!!
In Trott I trust.
I mean I don’t know what else people wanted him to do. Generally he hit guys in the numbers and they just dropped passes. I want to see him open up in an offense that gets the ball downfield.
Lol Right,… He literally hit people on the money and too many times it resulted in an incomplete or a friggin INT that unjustly goes on Sams stats
If you were Sam Bradford, would you want to come back to Philly and play behind this offensive line and have your passes dropped by these incompetent receivers?
If they paid me enough
Are the Eagles scheduled to play the AFC South next year?
Probably AFC East.
Played them this year.
AFC North I mean. We haven’t played Pitt/Cincy/Balt/Cle with CK here have we?
Last year we almost lost to Jacksonville so they’re out.
CLE & PIT@ home.
Pretty sure it’s the north.
Yes, its the North.
I just looked this up yesterday:
Home: Dallas, NY Giants, Washington, Green Bay, Minnesota, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, NFC South
Away: Dallas, NY Giants, Washington, Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Cincinnati, NFC West
Good, it’s better to have GB and Minnesota here at home. Cincy on the road might be tough.
Maybe we can play Detroit on thanksgiving again. Take the birds + the 27.5
LOL. Shame they have to play it in Detroit.
LOL. What’s the over/under?
i believe it is the AFC and NFC norf’s
does it matter? This is a damned odd team with no O-line and no WR. I don’t think anyone can take this team, plug’n’playoffs
Right. Like who we play where is the least of our worries
You guys want to see some funny shit go on instagram and check #chipkelly.
Stunning that LURIE didn’t give chip a chance to fix his first down yeàr. So not like LURIE… Hopefully we find out some real details
I have to believe the reports, and there appear to be many of them, that he lost the locker room.
Nah. The reports that Kelly was going to have to give up some level of player personnel to a GM and he said ‘no.’ Gave Laurie a pretty compelling reason to fire him.
Saw those reports, too, and believe they’re true, but doubt that was the only reason.
No but it was a clear one.
I have to believe thats the case for this to happen. Along with Lurie approaching him about JUST being coach.
it would be funny if the Eagles opened up their first drive sunday with Bradford under center and Demarco in the “I Formation” with Burton as a fullback
It would be a welcome sight.
Well, LURIE just made sure Eagles won’t be on HardKnocks… That sucks
Was sort of interested in it, and seeing Chips face upon finding out he would be on Hardknocks,
Who knows. Still might be.
nope, teams with new coaches aren’t candidates.
Unless we volunteer (which doesn’t happen), we can’t be forced with a new coach.
“Hi Jeff, I’m interested in coaching again”…Mike Holmgren
Nah. He’s 68 next year.
I guess it turned out that out of what came out last offseason was partially true (racial stuff aside). Kelly just wasn’t well-liked or respected by this players and without the winning to show for it they turned on him in force.
I think this is really obvious now, with the 2015 season as evidence.
We’d likely end up with a team of Taylor Harts and Riley Coopers if he stayed.
On Birds 24/7, an anon offensive player as quoted as saying the intensity in the locker room was down leading up to final game with Washington.
How could that be? Win and we’re pretty much in the playoffs! Peters pulling self from game, the Bucs and Detroit games, etc. There were problems in the locker room. The players were unhappy. Could be one main reason; could be lots of reasons.
Chip’s failure to make adjustments within games, between games, and between seasons was baffling. Stubbornness or ignorance? Either way, waiting one more year hoping for change maybe too risky.
Failure to address OL, and Murray and Miles Austin sighnings were bad. Again, stubbornness or ignorance on Chip’s part?
My preference was to give Chip one more (if not two more) years, but not if the locker room had become too hostile, which I bet it did. Certain key players (on defense, I think) did not like playing for him (or Davis).
yea i really started to question Chip the coach about halfway through this year, and some of his GM moves were puzzling to say the least. with that said, some of these players really shit the bed this year and didn’t play up to their capabilities.
I’m freaking shocked. Something must have went down when Lurie tried to rescind some of the GM duties.
It’s too bad. Chip was a quality guy — I really respected his not catering to prima donnas, his respect for the military, I guess the lack of relating to his players was his demise. I would have liked to see what he could have done with another year though.
As the coach, yes. As the GM, no.
Laurie was right to strip away some of those responsibilites from Kelly if he stayed. Regardless of what you thought of the player personnel moves, Kelly’s biggest weakness to me was his overall salary cap management and getting value for production. Got played in the Bradford deal too especially if the reports were true that the Rams were going to release him outright.
I guess his respect for the military is in line with the value he places on culture over results.
Hire Urban Meyer!!!!
up tempo – check
commitment to special teams – check
cocky SOB – check
Urban is defensive minded, college genius right?! Its like Chip but the other side of the ball!
He will revolutionize the NFL.
Urban took up tempo from chip and i think make it better, i’d really like him here.
I am very curious what Shurmur does with the offense next week
Lose, I hope
Something tells me he’s not about to get super creative in the final week for a meaningless away game with a team that clearly did not like the previous coach. “Hey boys, let’s go do a bunch of neat-o new stuff this week! Golly!!”
hey the Eagles will be back a week earlier than we thought now! Yeah new coach perks!
Save us Jared Goff! You’re our only hope!
You like him that much after his display today vs Air Force?
I didn’t catch the game today. But I’m a very big fan.
next aaron rodgers?
he is the next JP Losman according to one QB guru here
Eh, if you mean me, basically Matt Ryan with less athleticism. His passing is fine, but he’s not athletic enough to handle NFL pockets.
You realize if he’s as great as you think, he’ll be gone. I like him some but he was better fit in Kelly’s offense than what we’ll be running.
Some concerns about him: Spread offense, not good under pressure, has to learn drop back, not good arm strength outside hash marks. needs strength and some bulk.
So basically Air Raid (Carr played in an Air Raid derivative) and he’s 21 and can’t keep growing.
Also only teams above us who need QB are Cleveland (who the fuck knows whats gonna happen there) 49ers (legitimate contender) and Dallas (can’t take a QB, too much money invested in Romo).
Teams run 11 personnel over 50% of the time league wide. So concerns about him not fiting are overblown.
Yeah system is not a preventative thing necessarily but you have to judge his ability to pick things up in interview/ sessions. He is just 21 as you say so that’s a very good thing.
It will be interesting if Cleveland and SF pass on a franchise QB but if we sign Bradford I’m not sure they go QB if he slips. We have issues on OL and Peters is even more worrisome. Obviously you want to take Goff and I’m interested also, I’m just thinking out loud.
I hope they don’t resign Bradford. The franchise is in a position right now where the new coach can have one or two bad years if we come out the other side with a franchise QB and a couple young impact players.
I think Bradford lately has looked better than Goff.
Will we finally get to see the debut of Thad Lewis next week?
Is that guy Arians available?
I was thinking, what if…
Given how Kelly almost talked down to Arians, if I were Arians I would send a ‘Hope you are get well soon’ basket to his NJ home and sign it ‘From an NFL coach in the playoffs.’
? you mean how arians called us a “college offense”.
Even Jerry Jones isn’t crazy enough to fire Garrett with $24M left on his deal to hire Kelly.
I did not want Kelly to be fired, but now that it has happened, I’m very relieved and happy. I’ve always seen him as sort of a micro-manager and time has only strengthened that impression. I had low expectations for this season, but the Eagles managed to perform worse than I expected.
I want LeSean McCoy and DeSean Jackson back.
Nah, the only one I want is Maclin. DJax will probably be cut from his 2nd team, and McCoy I think is losing it.
id take djax back.
Is it implausible to think Howie is back at GM?
Nope. Not at all.
I think he already is for the most part.
Why wouldn’t he be? I doubt Lurie gave him a raise to keep track of equipment inventory. Howie was the “in case Chip screws the pooch” insurance policy.
True, but he still has MS2 on his resume, this franchise is full of all sorts of bleak.
With Chip gone, the draft history he rewrote will again be rewritten. Don’t be surprised if entire new narratives emerge in the next few weeks.
In other words, MSII is on Chip now..
Obvious choice no?
Glazer just said he spoke with Chip and Chip said he just wants to coach and not have a hand in personnel, Chip wants to stay in the league
Kelly realizes already he overplayed his hand badly. Mea culpa. Amazing how quickly this unfolds now via Twitter and social media.
I guess that’s good that Chip no longer wants something he has no chance in hell of getting.
So, do we offer him the job?
“chip your so fired your re-hired”
Glazer connects well with the players, but usually some coaching experience is considered a pre-requisite.
Howie back as the GM to me is ‘one step forward, two steps back.’
wrong.
When Reid got fired, they pinned all of the blame on him and Roseman got absolved of any wrong-doing or blame.
Well thats because you’re a pesimist.
Howie did have a draft that could have been franchise changing if not for Chip.
Cox/Kendricks/Curry/Foles/Boykin all in one draft. It was when chip got involved that the. Draft went down hill.
Look how overrated that draft looks a year later.
Cox is an elite player. Curry would be a pro biwl player in a 4-3. Kendricks had a down year, but has been a good LB for us. Boykin was a great fit for us and would still be a quality nickle. Foles is in a bad situation, but may not panned out here. Either way it was a great draft.
Curry is the single most overrated player on this team by fans here. If he was that good, some team easily would have traded a 4th/5th round pick to take that gamble on Curry. He stunk this year for the most part and wasn’t even as productive rushing the passer.
Kendricks was up and down and generally piss poor this year with a large contract too boot too.
I dont get yoru trade arguement as draft picks are given a crazy high value. When you add valueable draft plus guvjng money it is hard to trade palyers.
But bad to your original point. Even if you dont love cox, curry, kendricks, etc is it not better than what chip has done? I dont how howie takes you two steps back. If we get the right caoch (assuming you dont like chip) it seems like several steps forward
I wouldn’t put Foles or Boykin in that group. Foles got benched, and Boykin can’t see the field on a team with no secondary.
Worse than that. You have one legit starter and real stud out of that draft.
You are missing the point, curr would be a stud in a 4-3. That is a lazy excuse for calling it a bad draft. Boykin proved he could play here. If chip hadnt traded him he’d likely still be a giid player for us
Not really. Boykin wanted to start, so he talked his way out of town. Boykin also wasn’t great or that good last year. Curry is a different story, and we’ll see if the new coach chooses to play a 4-3. Kendricks took a step back this year. Let’s wait a couple more years to see how it all pans out.
Also buying the fact that Roseman had little/nothing to do with the horrible drafts in 2010 and 2011 when he was the GM too as Lurie claims.
Went back to the archives and tommys posts about potential hires during the last coaching search and found this vid about greg roman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMweQYjC7Rs
Didnt know he grew up in jersey and also grew up as an eagles fan. Interesting
I love the way he calls plays. He seems like a great cia h, but never even gets interviewed
love his recent track record, getting good play from kaepernick and tyrod taylor
In a strange way, I feel a sense of relief. Maybe that’s just because the season is over. Honestly, I have more important things coming up in my future… need to spend less time watching & reading about football. My mom used to watch lots of soap operas & talk to me about them. I knew way too much can about them as kid… lol football is like a soap opera for guys.
professional wrestling was my soap opera as a kid lol
Lol I knew a guy who told me that too. I live in Asia. 1pm games are at 2am for me. What kind of person gets up at that time to watch Eagles football ?? A deranged & bored person lol
Is it because part of you knew/suspected that Chip was $#%ing up, but as a loyal fan, you felt obliged to defend him?
I think it’s like a breaking point… I realize that I’m just bored and devote too much time to watching & reading football news. It’s not like I can hang out at a sports bar with other fans. I live in Asia & watch games at home in the middle of the night.
Ha, I hear you, I don’t know any other Eagles fans here either.
Do you live in Asia too?? I’m living in Singapore
https://twitter.com/LesBowen/status/682032502110695424
I guess he figured he would cut his losses… his sentiment is strange considering he promoted Chip & demoted Roseman.
Nah I think that is it. He realizes he made a mistake last offseason and moving ahead forward he isn’t going to give a coach such profound player personnel control
I don’t think he ever truly demoted Roseman despite the media spin. Sure, Roseman gave up day-to-day personnel control to Kelly but I think that was as much about separating the two and giving Kelly the power he was searching for with the caveat that he’d be accountable if he failed. I’m sure Roseman has been right by Lurie’s side this entire time advising him of what he thinks needs to be done in the future.
I bet he made faces and shrugged his shoulders a lot once Chip started making deals.
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#ChipKelly v Roseman TL: Howie after the demotion, Howie during the season, and Howie 2night! @ShanderShow
I guess its a bad sign when the normally hands off owner is the guy firing up the team with speeches and making 53 angry men t-shirts. Should’ve read “54 angry men.”
This is kind of similar to Harbaugh, eccentric coach out of college, immediate success (to a lesser degree for Chip), first sign of struggles he loses the locker room and off he goes. Kinda doesn’t seem fair to either guys. Good coaches, fine results. Just can’t connect with an nfl locker room.
yea although i think people think of Chip as huge ego, power driven etc……Some players actually think Harbaugh is legit nuts
but i agree with your point
Yes, given Chip’s record over past three years, if the locker room wasn’t a mess, I think he’d definitely be back, regardless of losing record this year and inspite of obvious GM/coaching mistakes.
He’s gone because he lost the players. (Again, that’s not to say there weren’t other personnel and coaching problems.)
There is something sad that (maybe) prima-donna entitled NFL player won this round. But that’s pretty much how it works.
I really hope we switch to a 4-3. Cox at DT and Vinny off the edge every play really excites me. Then you can have Hicks at the middle with Kendricks at OLB along with Alonso.
Look for the GM first Laruie and then hire a coach. Please just don’t go back to Roseman.
nope same guys are picking the HC. Donahue in charge of player personnel but i think Howie will slide back into that job.
Ugh. I hope not. I don’t buy for a second that Roseman didn’t have a key role and input into what occurred in the ’10 and ’11 drafts despite what Laurie said.
howie must give a mean handy
Didn’t they fire all of his scouts or the guys that were perceived to be loyal to him last offseason too?
yup, i can see Roseman doing a “Hotline Bling” dance.
I think you are better at spelling our owner’s last name than you are at analyzing Howie Roseman’s tenure as GM.
Roseman was named GM on Jan 29, 2010 after Heckert left for Cleveland.
Despite that Lurie claimed that it was largely Reid’s fault for the disastrous drafts this year and they pinned the blame on him after he got fired. Either Roseman was the most glorified head of scouts in the NFL or he played a substantive role in the drafts those years.
Dude, that draft got us two current starters, Brandon Graham and Riley Cooper, a former starter, Nate Allen, and a guy who is currently the starting safety on the best defense in the league.
You gotta wonder if the FO here is just batshit. Why after hiring a “bad” coach, basically getting demoted is howie back in power. I thought people hated him anyway.
He wasn’t a bad hire. He was the most sought after coach at the time. Roseman got the job done when nobody else could.
I think he was a good coach. But you can go half-assed w/ someone that “wanted to build a program”. How much diligence did you really do if you didn’t know he was an asshole before.
I think Kelly talks a good game but what he says doesn’t reflect reality. He told everyone he didn’t want personnel power, that he just wanted to coach, and that clearly didn’t reflect his real opinion. When he was first hired, he said that he was going to adapt his schemes to the personnel he had and clearly he had the exact opposite philosophy.
all gms want their guys. most of the people he cut were old, or on the back end of ballooning contracts. it’s clear chip can’t handle having a boss.
Agree with Cafone. Kelly was a high upside hire at the time. Turns out he struggles to lead adults and isn’t as smart as anyone, including himself, thought he was.
Howie is really good at making ish happen. Like as good as anyone in the NFL. Like the deal Mathis hated because Howie let him hit FA to demonstrate his low value. And he has a nack for taking home the big prize out of absolutely no where, Namdi and Chip for example. But I do think his “not a football guy” knock might hold water. He can get his man and play the value game as well as anyone in the NFL. But can he build a roster? I’m not down on Howie at all, I liked him. The things he did made sense to me at every turn. But being a fan, an outsider that I am, is that a good thing?
Wow, i just posted essentially the same thoughts above.
You are absolutely correct!
I just saw that lol
I don’t have any problem with Roseman. If you really look at our drafts, they were strongest when he had the most influence. I still think he should go though and we should wipe the slate clean. Obviously Roseman and Kelly’s personalities clashed and the evidence suggests that they were both partly to blame. Regardless of whether it is fair or not( I personally don’t think it is), Roseman has a negative reputation around the league and keeping him will make it difficult to attract a qualty HC and a quality GM(if they don’t go with Roseman). I’d hire a strong GM that has history with a young upcoming coordinator.
Just throwing shit at the wall here, seeing what sticks:
Seems like the defensive players dislike Chip more than offensive players, just based off of various comments and play over the past several months.
Did the D hate the uptempo scheme and multiple players (including Cox) dislike the 3-4? Just speculating.
didn’t make it easy on them but gotta think if offense worked things would have worked better.
However this shakes out, I really hope that Lurie invests more in a front office that can evaluate and groupthink and pledge allegiance to the Eagles BEFORE he hands ANYTHING to a head coach. The model that he has followed since he arrived in Philly seems to be predicated on hiring a savior, when he fare better by having a braintrust that can endure a mis-hire. Finding the right guy is important, but the steadier and stronger his front office is, the easier that task becomes.
I wouldn’t say he hires the savior outright but he gives them full control after not much time.
There’s not much track record to go on, he’s hired what, 3 head coaches? He didn’t give Reid control of personnel for many years after he was HC.
Which reflects a weak or inadequate FO, in my opinion. The strongest franchises in the league, Packers, Giants, Steelers can find very good coaches, pay them well, invite their input, but never leave so much as a hint that there is a ladder leading to the FO. They all have strong frameworks that can accommodate a range of personalities, a variety of schemes, laundry lists of needs and requests, but the one thing the hire must bring is a way that works. Coughlin, Tomlin, Holmgren in Green Bay, Parcells in NY, they all were given the players to win, and the latter two complained that they had to have more control, and they went to where more control was granted, and won no more rings.
Can’t wait for the avalanche of anonymous (or not) player comments slamming Chip into freaking oblivion now that he’s gone.
Should be a treat, if nothing else Chip was obviously not well loved by his players.
Bowen: “I am told that Jeffrey Lurie has spoken in recent weeks of wanting to “take back” his team…”
Start wearing a ‘Make the Eagles Great Again’ baseball cap . . .
I think as a show of good faith, Lurie needs to bring back Kelly Green;-)
Fine by me, I’m glad if Lurie decided Chip needed to go he brought down the hammer hard. If I was Lurie I’d be embarrassed by how shitty the team looked at times this year.
Shiel w/ best article yet: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14463652/why-chip-kelly-experiment-work-nfl
It was fine and everything for his national audience.
Roseman’s drafts:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/draft.htm
If you believe he only really played a substantial role in the 2010-2014 drafts, then his overall record is pretty darn weak especially the 2010, 2011, and 2014 drafts.
I wasn’t sad to see him get replaced as the GM but hated giving all of the power and responsibility to one guy who was the coach (and had no previous experience).
Roseman might have a role again here but I really don’t want to see him back as the GM.
According to Lurie, in hindsight, Roseman was the guy in the room who was right the most. Whether or not you believe that doesn’t really matter because Lurie is the one who owns the team.
Kelly pretty much came out and pegged Marcus Smith on Roseman which Lurie didn’t do much to refute last offseason.
I find it kind of odd that as much you apparently disliked Kelly that you are willing to give Roseman that much of a passdespite the drafts (3 out the 5 were real stinkers) where he was the GM & the reports that came out last year after the power struggle that he wasn’t particularly well liked or respected around the league.
I’d agree with your earlier point that Roseman can be of value to this team. I just don’t want to see him as the GM who has ultimate player personnel responsibility.
What you’re ignoring is that Kelly has a pretty big incentive to pin Marcus Smith on Roseman. The two drafts in which Roseman was front and center (2012 and 2013) were also the two best Eagles drafts in recent memory.
The Smith pick does not fit Roseman’s M.O. – he is not a guy who is known for overdrafting players or failing to perceive the way other teams value them. Kelly, on the other hand, has a track record of such thinking (wanting to drafting JMatt in the first, Taylor Hart in the 3rd, etc.).
Also, Kelly is a liar who lied a lot.
You guys are bringing up valid points.
This, but we’re going to be hearing about how crappy Roseman’s track record is for all eternity anyhow.
Lurie says Roseman was the guy who was most on point between the power guys during those drafts and he has 0 incentive to bring Roseman back since his demotion unless he truly believed Roseman was talented enough.
I 100% believe Lurie did what he could to retain Roseman because he wanted to hedge his bets in case Chip came unglued – I’m guessing he even told Roseman as much, otherwise Roseman had no reason to stick around in his neutered position.
Took a nap and woke up to good news. Thanks Lurie for starting the rebuild again now. Chip did not have the personality to make this team a true contender. If you can’t manage the egos of 53 players on this team and your only solution is to get rid of them then you’re shit out of luck as a coach,
unless you are winning. people will put up with a lot if you’re winning and they know what it is when they sign up.
Action speaks louder than words and you couldn’t trust Chip’s words in the first place. I feel like Lurie finally got to the point of seeing how Chip sucked at dealing with players. I also think the JP rumor might have been true and that was the tipping point for him.
I am definitely a fan of Howie Roseman. But I also see the Howie Roseman situation a bit like the Sixers/Hinke situation.
Roseman is your draft numbers and info guy. If you want the best estimate of where a player is going to be drafted, or want to know who Cleveland is going to draft in the fourth round, or how many picks you can get out of a move back, or what it’s going to cost you to move up, etc…. Howie is your guy. He may not always be right, but he’s probably the best you are going to get. Plus, he does contracts!
But, much like Sam Hinke is not a “basketball guy” and the Sixers felt the need (or league pressure) to bring in Colangelo, I wouldn’t object to having a “football guy” in the room with a lot of input on the actual picks themselves. I definitely want Howie running the draft room, but I don’t necessarily want him to have sole responsibility in formulating the draft strategy.
Media mike most love him for he precieved value he gets.
I too am a howie guy,
I dont know who make the real calls while read was still heavily involved on the personell side or when chip first got here. I only just howie on the 2 years the lurie said he had complete and final say. I feel those two years were the best we’ve had a a long time. He always seems to get good value on trades and seemed to take some reasonable risks on draft day. I never like howie losing the gm job
Then you believe that 2012 and 2013 were the years Howie had real control and the other years he was a glorified head of scouting despite the GM title.
Think that was complete spin at the time and remains so.
You may think that. I dont totally disagree, but Im dont know whats true. Judging him on the years that the owner publicly held him acountable seems the most fair
he’s gonna have fun fixing the cap shit
Howie Roseman starring as Donald Trump in Hard Knocks this summer on NFL Network!!
roseman belongs on Shark Tank
I’m tired of hearing about Trent Cole, Desean, McCoy, etc. being that great. Maclin is the exception but he left on his own. These other players? Come on.’
Many have stated how we/the Eagles have overrated the talent on too many occasions (Ertz, Kendricks, Matthews.) Every one of those players listed above is the same. Is Desean really a number 1? How many times did he disappear with the Eagles? Is Lesean a huge loss given that RBs are a dime a dozen. He’s not going to have 1,000 yards. It’s bogus.
You would think that Desean Jackson was Jerry Rice and Mccoy was Emmitt Smith or something with the high regard fans still hold them to but the reality is they were good not great players and they never made the Eagles any closer to a SB then the current players.
What did the Eagles get for them though and what did they have to do replace them? those are important questions too.
Actually maybe even more important. Getting rid of competent players, expending draft picks or overpaying in FA on the _chance_ that the replacements are better than the original players. And those spent draft picks could have been used trying to make a good team better instead of pointlessly gutting it and then trying to get back.
LeSean McCoy is the Eagles all time leading rusher and DeSean Jackson would have broken just about every Eagles receiving record if he had finished his career here.
What the fuck team are you guys fans of? Did you hop on the bandwagon a few seasons ago? Do you not remember the endless string of shit receivers not named Terrell Owens during McNabb’s tenure?
Yes, LeSean McCoy is not Barry Sanders and DeSean Jackson is not Jerry Rice. But they are two of the best players at their positions to ever wear an Eagles uniform.
I guess they didn’t always say the right things and kiss the media’s ass with the correct sports cliche’s, but neither do Dez Bryant and Odell Beckham Jr. I guess when you watch those two guys score on the Eagles repeatedly over the next decade, the way Giants, Cowboys, and Redskins fans used to watch McCoy and Jackson run all over their teams, you can be content that the Eagles don’t have jerks like those on their team anymore. We have fine, upstanding young gentlemen like Jordan Matthews and Nelson Agholor now who may not be be able to get open or catch passes, but they ace that post game interview.
Dez Bryant can block, catch balls in the red zone, and consistently go across the middle. DJax can’t. He’s got one pattern that he does well at, but generally when that’s taken away he doesn’t do so well.
DJax isn’t making this team better this year because CK likes to throw the ball 6-8 yards downfield. That kinda takes DJax out of the equation.
McCoy has lost a step and frankly wasn’t even the best back in Buffalo. His year this year does not make anyone reminiscent of his time here. He was average up there, and considering our OLine here – he wouldn’t have fared any better.
I thought that about mcCoy last year, but he looks as wuick as ever this year
Is Desean an elite WR? Hell no. But he is a legit starter that may be one of the best deep threats of all time. And that changes the complexion of an entire defense. You cannot overstate that fact.
They were good players, I did say that but tell me again how many playoff games the Eagles won with them? I’ll wait…
Action speaks louder than words. I would never buy the crap that the choir boys say because they aren’t nearly as good as the assholes that we jettisoned were when they have a good day.
That goes to show how crappy the Eagles franchise has been more than anything else.
TD that seems liek flawed logic. Dan Marino must suck because he never briught a title to Miami. They were good players. McCoy is an elite RB and if he stays healthy has a shot at the HoF. Desean may be the best deep threat we’ve seen. Letting Jax go for nothing is the one that hurts more
Chip cut or traded at their peak. Maclin was the only one I feel should have been resigned but who knows if he wanted to stay in Philly.
Both DJ and LM are still playing at a high level. They were the most talented players on our offense. The offense has struggled without them. I just dont agree with downplaying their importance to our success
They sure aren’t playing at a high level this season.
What?? McCoy was injured most of the season & DJ is often a non factor. Definitely not a premier NFL WR.
DJax, JMac, and Shady were all great players here in Philly. Each player played his best individual season here in Philly, though never simultaneously. Imagine how potent the offense could have been in 2014-2015 if Chip retained each of those players and invested in OL picks?
I do agree that some of these players do get overrated, but you can’t deny how great they were here in Philly. I guess the thought process for so many is…What was so wrong with them? Why try to fix something that isn’t broke? Also, why are so many other inferior players safe (Riley Cooper) whereas the true play makers are treated like they are expendable?
Like I said: Vic Fangio or bust
I dont get it. What is the love for Vic Fangio? I wouldnt be surprised if he didnt even get an interview nevermind not being a top candidate
Very good defensive coordinator, hasn’t got much love as a HC candidate. Some guys are better off just sticking with what they excel at.
That’s kind of how I view him. We need to figure out the QB position. I really prefer an offensive guy
Norv Turner comes to mind.
The Rod Marinelli theory
He was a great coordinator in San Fran and has killed it in Chicago
Is there an actual report that Howie is back as the GM or is this just implied?
Jeff McLane tweeted that was his understanding.
So just a rumor. Gotcha.
not really a rumor, just sort of implied.
per Lurie’s letter:
“As we move forward, the search for a new head coach will begin and will be led by myself, Don Smolenski and Howie Roseman. To the extent that we are able, we will try to keep you informed as we go through this process.”
Howie is very much still a major part of operations. And that coach is first on the shopping list, rather than hiring a football guy first, then beginning the search for the right football coach. You know, choosing with the help of your football guy.
The only thing that makes me mad about this is that the troll was right.
Let me start …. There’s a good chance the new coach wont be the guy to win the SB either and he will be fired
F that little turd burglar. He’s got nothing to say anymore.
It’ll be interesting to see how the new coach makes the offense work. Hopefully we pull a Stephen Jones and finally build that OL back up.
“@LesBowen feels like Lurie just won a pissing contest. No plan. Dissapointed” – hard to see what coach would want to come here – hope they have a guy in mind.
I think this actually makes this place more attractive.
It’s the NFL and they have lots of money to throw at a coach. Somebody will always be interested. The problem is finding a guy who can win. They had it with Andy, but that wore thin after a while. Chip’s regime didn’t really get a chance to succeed. I think that’s the bigger issue – somebody will feel like they have to win right away or they will be out the door next. I’d like to see them give a guy like Gase a chance vs a retread like Payton or Pagano.
Disagree wholeheartedly regarding not giving the Kelly regime a chance to succeed. He was given complete power and control and proceeded to strip mine the roster of talent and alienate the remaining talent.
exactly.
I wasn’t in the building but I’m guessing he’s not a guy that gets along with too many people (judging from his relationship with the media).
But 1 year is not a realistic time frame to judge a roster build.
For the record, the Eagles didn’t ‘rebuild’ last offseason:
http://www.phillyvoice.com/for-the-record-the-eagles-didnt-rebuild-last-offseason/
Really wish we could keep Azzinaro. That firing seems like a forgone conclusion though.
Stoutland would be nice to keep, too, but for some reason I think he’s got a better chance of sticking.
I like both guys as well.
Agreed, those 2 position coaches should absolutely stay. Azz followed Chip from Oregon so I’m sure he’ll follow him as well.
yea i think this franchise will be scrubbed of any remnants of Chip
Can’t argue with Azz’s results
Yea I hope Azz stays too. I’m iffy on Stoutland though.
I’ve never seen anyone polish a turd better. (Stout)
Azz is a 2 gap guy. Don’t think he’s back.
Are we going back to the 4-3?
that’s what we are all hoping for.
The Eagles are a 4-3 team. That’s what they’ve been since most of us became fans and that’s what they should continue to be in my opinion.
I’m ambivalent. I only care about results. If it means a stellar 3-4 or 4-3 or 46, I’m cool.
But if we do, I think the interior of Cox/Logan might be pretty nice.
at the very least, if we stay with a 3-4, it needs to be the Wade Phillips brand. Free Fletcher Cox!
We’ll almost certainly move off the pure 2 gapping.
I’d hope it’s not all the way back to the 43 over. Likely we end up with something more along the lines of the Under front.
Do you see Clemson DC Brent Venables possibly making a jump to the NFL? I’m sure the guy wants to
As a DC maybe. He’s got not NFL ties though. I think he’s probably waiting for the right opportunity at a college HC gig.
In light of Lurie’s comment about taking back control of his team, I think it’s all about the money now. He saw the fans walking out of the stadium the very season after Chip publicly stated that 10-6 wasn’t good enough. I guess it’s good enough for the owner. Yeah what NFL owner doesn’t wanna win a Super Bowl, but more importantly keep the fans happy & the bottom line steadily increasing. So much for the Kelly experiment.
Those aren’t direct quotes from Lurie about taking back the team. They’re what a reporter said he was talking about.
Eagles have no problem selling out and have a long season ticket waiting list. No local TV deals either. I don’t see money having anything to really do with Kelly’s firing.
Maybe you’re right… what do I know?
I looked at this last year. Outside of the couple of years right around the financial collapse even the worst teams sit at about 95% attendance. In this market the Linc will sell out almost no matter what.
The Eagles are a massive organization valued at well over a billion dollars. Teams all made $226.4 million in revenue sharing in 2014. That doesnt’ include suite, naming rights, or local TV dollars.
Lurie isn’t doing this because of a few thousand empty seasts in the upper level impacting the bottom line. In fac they would simply affect the amount of money the Eagles put into the pot for revenue sharing.
I think the money might have only icing on the cake. I think Chip lost the locker room and Lurie had to make a change.
Lurie made the decision but it absolutely wasn’t due to financial implications. He’s going to eat more to pay Chip off than a small dip in attendance would ever make up.
Are you sure about that?
The guys I know that were selling their tickets haven’t been getting face value for them, and since those tickets sales go through the Eagles I’d bet the Eagles know about that. That doesn’t bode well for future season ticket sales. It’s easy to have a season ticket waiting list when people can sell their tickets for more than face value.
If you were at the game the other night and saw how many Redskins fans were there, you might question how in demand Eagles tickets are right now.
I think it’s a two-fold problem. One, the fanbase generally wanted him gone. People leaving the game early and just frankly frustrated with the product on the field.
The second is that his team quit on him. Considering people like Cox are due for an extension, if he’s not on board and jets, now your DLine is shot and you’ve lost a top #2 or #3 player at his position, and for what?
I think the latter is what led to his exit more though. If Peters quits on you and there was no intensity or fire to play a division rival on primetime for a shot at the playoffs – then there’s no reason to keep him for next year. I’m surprised it happened this soon, but if the team really did quit on him this shouldn’t be surprising.
Would love to get Adam Gase. Sounds like he’s going back to the lions though with the Michigan connections and such
I don’t think Caldwell will get fired.
Maybe we can bring back Doug Pederson to be HC
Or Jeff Garcia. He was fiery
Tom Coughlin might be available O_o
Little Red?
What is Juan Castillo doing these days?
Juan is still the OL coach in Baltimore and sadly their OL is way better than ours.
get the old team back together
Rob Ryan is available and they need a DC . . .
you shut yout whore mouth right now
You made me spit my drink out. SMH.
Rob Ryan is a failed DC. He is obviously more suited for a head coaching job.
Carly Fiorina? Is that you?
Lurie is probably getting Sean Payton after next week’s game. He wants a winner and most likely he won’t do as well here since he doesn’t have a franchise QB.
That is my bet too. He’ll pay premium price and try to get someone with an established NFL pedigree.
I don’t really blame him after the Chip Kelly era. Sean has the experience and knows what it takes to be successful. I just hope he doesn’t bring Rob “coached historically bad defenses” with him.
As Didinger pointed out on CSN tonight, that hasn’t been Lurie’s MO so far. It’s obviously not a huge sample size, but he pointed out that so far Lurie has like to elevate coaches who haven’t previously been NFL head coaches. I believe he characterized it as Lurie wanting the coach to be “his discovery”
Lurie certainly isn’t getting younger so I think his philosophy might change. Chip being fired and him being more active with the team is probably a sign of wanting to win a Super Bowl soon.
I wouldn’t be surprised by Payton. I felt like once that news came he was going to be fired, that he’d have a possibility to end up here.
I could also see Shanahan.
Old Shanny?
It seems the exact opposite of Chip. Guy with a decent track record and knows the ins and outs of the league.
Not my favorite pick, but I would understand the reasoning.
his team fell apart this year too
Shanny would definitely get the run game going though and that would be great.
maybe we get Payton and he reunites with D-coordinator Gregg Williams (4-3 guy) and made famous from the “Bountygate” scandal
Ha it would kind of suit the stereotype of philly fans tho
yea thats what i had in mind
Payton will require compensation to the Saints – a team looking to retool with new young talent.
That’s where the Eagles are.
Would be a disappointing move
What if he’s fired?
If the owner loses control of the team(that’s in the courts now, not sure of the status) then Payton has the right to void his contract.
I don’t see a reason for a top HC candidate to join the Eagles unless Lurie just throws them insane money. We don’t have a QB or a top-tier draft pick to obtain one. Personally if I’m the Eagles, I go after a defensive head coach candidate that wants an offensive coordinator that runs the ball. Those types of guys aren’t usually the highest in demand as owners want the more flashy pass-happy coaches. No, this isn’t necessarily a recipe for winning the Super Bowl but it is a recipe for gradual improvement and down the road when we find a QB we can potentially get the flashy HC who can get the best out of the franchise QB. We don’t have one now anyway so might as well get a coach that excels in other areas.
Or we can purposely hire the worst possible HC candidate possible so we can finish 2-14, 3-13 for a few years. That’s probably the best way to maximize your chances of obtaining a franchise QB.
just hire Sam Hinkie
Is Jim Tomsula available?
Juan Castillo? Jim Washburn?
Jim Schwartz is a free agent….that guy has attitude!
I legit won’t watch a game If Washburn is back in any capacity.
working really well for 76ers
A breath of fresh air is what both of them needs. We have to find a QB regardless of who’s the coach of this team anyway. Payton without Brees is not my ideal choice but when he does have his QB then he’s one of the best offensive coaches out there.
“Or we can purposely hire the worst possible HC candidate possible so we can finish 2-14, 3-13 for a few years.”
As Lurie says this Sunday after he goes into this private bathroom at the Linc, turns out the lights, lights a candle, runs the water, and starts chanting ‘Rich Kotite, Rich Kotite, Rich Kotite, . . . ‘
Private Bathroom with lit candles you say? Howie will be right in with the lotion!
3 months ago ppl picked this team for the sb.
Yeah, it looks unlikely now…
getting deja vu from a few years ago. at least andy got a year after the 2011 year
Yahoos and that didn’t start until after the GB preseason nonsense. If people thought this was going to be a team that at least wins 9-10 games and makes the playoffs, then yeah I agree with that.
i predicted 11 wins max, but thought they would win the division and possibly win a playoff game
Not afraid to admit it, although i did so before the preseason
I predicted 10-6 with a playoff win and real signs of progression. I was dead wrong.
I had 9-7 and winning the NFC East because they were the best of the 4 mediocre teams. Not so much.
I had a 12 win ceiling and 7 win floor that would only come if Sam got hurt early and we had a run of injuries elsewhere.
I was 11-5 with a wild card round win and a loss on the road in the division round.
I pick this team for the Super Bowl every year.
Tecmo Super Bowl?
People said this winter was going to be dull once the Eagles season was over. It will be Eagles 24/7 up through the draft.
https://twitter.com/JeffHouston_/status/682045858024665088
Sigh…
Yeah – I don’t get the love for Howie except for the “grass is greener” philosophy. If you are going to start over, then do that.
Yeah, Howie looks pretty bad if you blame him for Andy Reid’s failed picks.
I’d blame him for Smith and maybe Henery. I think Watkins was pretty clearly a Reid pick.
Wtf is Jeff Houston, and who gives a f what his opinion is on HR and the Eagles?
I thought it was a funny tweet
I have to quibble with you on your head coaching short list. Josh McDaniels was head coach in Denver for five minutes when he trashed their franchise QB and in one stroke cost them a franchise QB talent. Jay Cuttler refused to play for him and forced a bad trade. It was down hill from there when he felt forced to draft Tim Tebow. He came in to Denver had to show who was the alpha dog and ruined the team. Haven’t we just had enough of that.
Sean Payton is a cheater since it is not possible to believe that he did not know about Greg Williams bounty program.
It was a while ago but when Hue Jackson was head coach in Oakland, I came to believe that he beat the crap out of that guy sitting in a chair for no good reason.
Always felt something cstholic priest about him ..ciuld nevet figure out how to express it in print intil someone else just said it
Who is our Tom Brady and BB?
You know what would be terrifying? We bring Jon Gruden in for an interview.
Probably add Bill Cowher to that list too.
Wonder if Steve Spagnuolo will stay with the G-men if Coughlin goes……..hell, he may get the HC gig there
Coughlin is a good coach. Get some HGH, Depends, and a respirator and hire him today!
After his stint in St. Louis, I think the HC offers will be few and far between for some years.
kelly’s reaction to being fired and roseman regaining the GM job:
http://qph.cf.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-12e134ce6e789ac212c017981366e9cb
So september Lurie is all the way behind chip, December fired before season even over. Better be a good PC tomorrow. Wonder if howie will be at podium as well.
Kelly said he needed personnel control, Lurie gave it to him, Chip failed miserably, Lurie held him accountable. Public PR statements are worthless. What is Lurie supposed to say in September?
it’s been one year. i can understand if he got fired for losing the team, but the fact that he wants to give personnel control back to howie after one year?
As I said, I think the best move is to let Roseman go too, even though I think the more influence he has had on a draft, the better it’s been. The only reason I say that is there is so much negativity out there about Roseman that it may be difficult to attract a quality HC and GM. I think a lot of the negatives about Roseman are fueled by agendas leaked to the media but at some point the perception fuels the reality and not vice versa. Personally I’d like to see Roseman operate as an executive VP of football operations should and hire a strong independent GM that can work with a HC and then not be involved in personnel evaluation.
It makes almost no sense especially after how Roseman got publicly neutered.
what is this….”accountability”…that you speak of? Is that one of those trendy German words the hipsters picked up?
I’m thinking Chip said, “I triple dog dare you to let me control everything this year.” And Lurie said, “Ok, but if you lose more than 8 games you’re fired.”
Didn’t I read that Kelly bought a home in the philly area?? Maybe can rent it out to new HC lol
Les Bowen was camped out at Chip’s front door a couple hours ago, asked Chip’s GF for a comment when she came to the door. Then asked Chip’s dog for a comment and it barked at him
Legit surprised Chip didn’t beat his ass for that. Super creepy.
if i saw someone like les bowen outside my front door at night, i’d get my gun then call the cops….guy is a creepy looker
I’m pretty sure this is what Chip’s girlfriend saw.
http://i.imgur.com/7lUkswL.jpg
Les Bowen turned into a 17-year old girl? Sexual reassignment surgery has come a real long ways.
I think waiting outside of a guys house less than an hour after he’s been fired – waiting for a guy less than an hour after he gets off work.
Too weird man. Too weird.
Some journalists have real boundary issues in their pursuit of stories. Can definitely border on weird/creepy.
Bowen was just wearing his bowler hat with the ‘Press’ paper sign attached to it and trying to get the scoop before the presses run tomorrow morning.
Less Les is best.
You know what just sunk in for me… we’re going to be hearing a lot of really stupid shit about what the Eagles should do for the next while.
“Firing Chip Kelly was a mistake”
I hope that isn’t one of them.
It already started with the McDermott talk.
I guess we’re losing the bandwagon Oregon fans too now with Chip gone.
Anyone watching this LSU game? QB Brandon Harris throws a really beautiful deep ball. He’s got mobility too. Only a Sophomore though.
eh i’m more interested in how their Tackles are playing
He inaccurate as hell short to intermediate. Won’t even play in the NFL.
If you were trying to impress people with QB play, why bring up mobility? He also has a really poor completion %.
Howie Roseman aka Wormtongue
http://renegadetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/LOTR-The-Two-Towers-527.jpg
If that was Tom Coughlin on the right, then it’s believable.
https://twitter.com/MattLombardo975/status/682054727169880065
I’m amazed that Jenkins wasn’t cut the first time he questioned Chip.
Shit, Chip lives in Haddonfield? He’s like 5 minutes from me.
https://twitter.com/pdomo/status/682021383984037889
This is much more intelligent than any McDermott talk.
I was really excited to see if the Eagles could build on Chip and Bradford. Now I’m excited that I will have no need to make time for football or fear missing out on shitty refs in 2016. No fun league indeed.
If it makes you feel any better, they couldn’t.
https://twitter.com/RoobCSN/status/682063957985783808
“There’s an old saying in South Philly,” the team owner said. “I know it’s in New England, probably in South Philly— that says, ‘Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.’”
I like generally like Reuben Frank, but that’s dumb.
And let’s not forget that Frank absolutely loved the hiring of Chip Kelly, so if we were to use his own logic, it would be a mistake to listen to his opinion now.
He soured quickly tho
Reuben Frank is a massive turd. He’s also the guy trying to talk up a McDermott hire. He’s a fool.
Man stuff keeps coming…
https://twitter.com/AP_RobMaaddi/status/682062674377764864
Lurie really wants to win a Super Bowl.
Didn’t go so well for Synder and the Flyers in the last decade or so.
FWIW, the Eagles problem is that our personnel department BLOWS! It doesn’t matter what coach you bring in if you give him a list of garbage to choose from. Giving Personnel back to Howie and a guy who’s last good move was trading a middle round pick for Jerome Bettis in 1995, is depressing.
should we reconsider jeff being “patient” as an owner?
No.
Yes
Yes. Andy Reid earned Lurie’s patience. But it is apparent now that Lurie doesn’t just default to “patience” for every situation.
Reid was the outlier here. While the Reid era covered the greatest length while Lurie was owner, look at his overall track record. Back pre-Reid they were changing personnel guys every offseason. Sometimes more than once an offseason. Roseman was chasing tail at Florida then so you can’t blame him. The whole Modrak firing/Reid assumption of power is quite similar to the Kelly/Roseman dynamic that happened a year ago and at that time Roseman didn’t have a job more significant than fetching coffee. The one constant through all the personnel upheaval is Lurie. He’s the owner, so he’s not getting fired. So you might as well sit back and lean to enjoy watching the soap opera.
Chip Kelly had virtually no allies at the NovaCare and then lost Jeffrey Lurie. Was tolerated when he won. Endeared himself to no one.
Nothing new. He’s a giant lying asshole and egomaniac.
seemed like an ok guy. Most people in Philly who met him said he was a really good guy. Seemed to respect them as people, didn’t make you feel like you’re talking to a famous person and you should be groveling. Clearly didn’t like reporters or people messing with his work.
edit:I missed the reference
i know, nobody likes McClane
Well done sir.
from mclane
“So what else went wrong? Well, Kelly was losing people throughout the building, sources said, even outside of football operations. His autocratic tendencies got the best of him. His allies were few and far between. The idea that DeMarco Murray somehow led this charge is preposterous, I’m told, but in fact Lurie had begun having serious reservations a few weeks ago, when he began reaching out to confidants about how to proceed and began doing research on the pool of potential candidates elsewhere. He started to doubt whether Kelly The Innovative Coach was quite smart enough to overcome Kelly The Personnel Demagogue. Everything having to be Kelly’s way — moving events around to fit his schedule, things having to accommodate him — grew troublesome.
Lurie didn’t go into his meeting with Kelly with the intention of firing him, I’m told. More, it was to take his temperature and continue to feel him out and gather information that would lead to his ultimate decision on what to do with his organization in 2016. Obviously, things went sideways and what Kelly had to say didn’t mesh with the owner’s vision, and Lurie became convinced that for as radical as a Week 17 firing might be perceived, it was time to do it. The fact that Kelly didn’t seem inclined to scratch and claw to remain in his perch, sources said, did him no favors as well.”
source?
la canfora
link: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25431268/chip-kelly-needs-to-self-evaluate-after-shocking-dismissal-from-eagles
It sounds believable to me that Lurie’s decision was based more on what he was hearing in the moment than on what he has seen up to now. He bet big on Kelly, and if Chip did not indicate that he would change his approach in some substantial way, it probably was a blow to Lurie.
One hot take I’m really sick of hearing is “Chip the GM got Chip the coach fired”. It’s stupid, and honestly it’s backwards. The roster that we had this year was better than the performance put out on the field. We saw it time and time again. If anything, the coaching was far, FAR worse than the personnel choices.
Also, the owner doesn’t just sit down and have a discussion about performance and long term vision at week 16. There’s still a game to play.
Furthermore, no one walked out with CK, except for Marynowitz. Azzinaro wasn’t let go. The coordinators are still here. Something pervasive, abusive, or reprehensible happened behind the scenes with Chip Kelly. You don’t go 10-6, 10-6, have a hiccup at 6-9, and get canned before the season is even over. Midseason firings are ugly and are almost always avoided when possible. Something forced Lurie’s hand here.
i agree with this
I agree with this until u remember the OL…. its football 101. U win in the trenches or u dont win at all.
but that’s a draft away. you don’t get fired for that after one year imho
yea and if he wanted to re-tool the OL, this was the year to do it in…..if he ignored it again then you would have to bring him into the office and go “yo dude, WTF?” If he had the same results next year, i would have no problem dumping him
u do when u fire your probowl starting LG and have NOBODY in place behind him. Admittedly Mathis fell off but how much is that new place/new system etc
I think its so fitting Chip got shown the door like Djack and Mathis. Those guys are dicks but they deserved a better send off and we deserved compensation in return. CK really did try to make us into everything we used to laugh at Redskins for. Dumb to release good players. 2/3 of our best receivers the last 10 years were released for nothing (T.O,DJack)
Chip the coach is gone, but we’ll be dealing with Chip the GM’s failures for at least a few more years.
w/ good draft and coaching i think you’ll like the team we have next year. question is whether we keep sam, or eagles want to go get a qb in the draft, which they couldn’t do if chip wasn’t around.
I disagree. We will absorb Maxwell and Murray next year, and not having the 2nd round pick will hurt.
But that assumes that Maxwell and Murray won’t contribute next year. I think they’ll be fine next year and the contract will be tolerable for both.
Maxwell is fine, eating Murray next year will be a pain
We aren’t going to rebuild an offensive line overnight.
Think they either want to hire a GM that will have input into the HC hire and need to do that asap or they’re making a play for a guy like Sean Payton where they may have to move quick. Look for them to interview Duce Staley for the HC job this week so they have complied with the Rooney rule.
That’s the second time ive heard his name(staley) mentioned this morning
And just when Duce starts doing well in his interview, they should substitute him out for a fresher candidate.
That’s assuming Howie doesn’t get his GM job back
Whats a interesting is just MONDAY chip said he would sit down with LURIE after the season like they always do… Something go had to happen to make LURIE not wait Til next Monday which is when he was supposed to meet with Chip. What happened that made LURIE think that the meeting had to be moved up and that he couldn’t wait 6 days for the season to end?
All the Giants fans are giving me shit at work tonight lol.
I keep telling him hes going to NYG because he impressed their owners with a 4-1 record against the Gmen
My uncle said can you just be a Cards fan now?
No way in hell. Thats a bandwagon team if I’ve ever seen one. After Palmer leaves what then. Easy to look like a great coach when u inherit a Top D and Larry Fitz
I don’t know how coaching trades work or anything…. But why couldn’t we flip chip for that #1 overall
Chip the GM would have thought of that.
is chip crazy or are the eagles fo organization crazy?
Yes
Chip to Lurie,” If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can ever imagine.”
from schefter: Chip Kelly already has multiple head coaching offers, including the Titans, a source has indicated to ESPN…
Good for him, DGB is getting cut though
Eh, doubt it. Keep making those tired jokes though.
And if you’re serious – dude’s on a rookie contract. Whole different thing then making 8 mil a year.
But congrats on getting a head start pointing out the stupid story lines eagles fans will tell themselves if Chip takes another job.
Wah wah wah DGB is putting up monster numbers, but he cut DeSean. Wah wah wah.
Well then lol can’t tell a simple joke I see
nevermind i got trolled by fake schefty
oh god no
What are thry gonna say,”Pat, were kicking you out after next game but try to do your best.”
yes
Should let Fipp Coach…. Shurmur is basically diet Kelly
You win and you’re fired. Don’t damage the draft pick.
Oh gawd no, please tank
Be sure the problem starts with Lurie: He fired Andy Reid who has the best coaching record after 3 years with the chief.
Next he dumbed Kelly while he could have had picks from the Titans. That´s just stupid on him.
Andy is the master illusionist and you are mesmerized.
I think Chiefs only wins over teams with winning records were 8-7 Houston in opener, 9-6 Pittsburgh with Landry Jones, and really good defensive win over Denver (5 interceptions).
Where do you think we’d be with Reid? Been there done that? I’m not really blasting Reid but we saw that movie. Poor KC the city who had good coach Schottenheimer, you know what they grew tired of him.
the chefs have played a soft schedule since their bad start
Baltimore owner Art Modell said he might still be in Cleveland had he not hired Bill Belichick as coach in 1991.
“I was sold a bill of goods on Belichick,” Modell said. “To Bill, everything was like the Normandy invasion. I couldn’t talk to him during practice because he was coaching.
“I really believe that much of the disdain and abuse I received was because of the feelings the media and the public had for Bill. Every day I thought it would change, that he would be more pleasant to people. He never did and it hurt all of us terribly.”
I guess we really didn’t want to be on hard knocks
Hoping for Sean Payton or Adam Gase.
Sean payton was my first choice 3 years ago..although i knew it wasnt likely that the saints were gonna let him go.
Chip was my second choice just ahead of Mike Mccoy
If Chip Kelly gets another job the Eagles could make a killing trading him all these useless Oregon players.
Chip wont want these guys
They should let Howie coach the final game. Anyone else is going to misguidedly attempt to win.
Let him coach all of next year too. Chip got to be coach and GM last year. Now, it’s Howie’s turn.
i think cataldi has dibs, right?
Maybe we should bring in Hinkie. He can GM and coach at the same time; after all, how hard is it to lose?
What about Chuck Pagano?
As a DC I’d take him, as HC I’ll pass.
but but, what’s going to happen to Chip Wagon?
Personally, I am hoping he doesn’t do a another article and the final entry remains “What Do We Gain with Mark Sanchez?”
McNabb or Kolb continues to put out good articles every now and then. He pretty much called most of Kelly’s bad moves when they occurred.
[…] Coaching Targets – Early Edition – Iggles BlitzSo who will be the new coach? There are 3 assistants I have my eye on. Adam Gase – Off Coordinator – Broncos Hue Jackson – Off Coordinator – Bengals Josh McDaniels – Off Coordinator – Patriots I have some interest in Sean McDermott, who is the DC in Carolina. There is one current head coach I like – Sean Payton of the Saints. […]
I have to admit I see this move with a laughing and crying eye: crying because I liked Chip but happy to see Bill Davis gone.
I just see Chip catching on somewhere else, getting his offense run properly, and winning titles.
Peter king MMQB column about this is up
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/12/29/chip-kelly-fired-philadelphia-eagles-nfl-mailbag
Thank you. It was an interesting read.
No problem, i thought so too. Just praying this was the right move
Sums up how I feel about it
Yeah..same here. Was really looking forward to seeing if he learned anything, and if this season humbled him enough to make the necessary changes going forward. Maybe seeing what would happen with some new olinemen, a new d or offensive coordinator. Etc.
I guess the situation was more toxic than we thought
disclaimer: Peter King is an idiot and his columns are good for only one thing: parody. Kissing Suzy Kolber will be missed.
INTERESTING!!!!!!!!!
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During the Joe Banner era the Eagles had 11 playoff wins… Since we got rid of Banner, we have zero playoff wins
I think we have 4 wins without Banner
New coach; we’ll get him some new players!
QB – done
O line – done
WR – done
D depth – done
Round 1 Pick 12: Jared Goff, QB, California (A+)
Round 3 Pick 12: Spencer Drango, OG/OT, Baylor (A-)
Round 3 Pick 13: Shon Coleman, OT, Auburn (A)
Round 4 Pick 12: Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland (A-)
Round 5 Pick 12: Ricky Seals-Jones, WR, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 5 Pick 21: Chris Jones, DT/DE, Mississippi State (A-)
Round 6 Pick 12: Kamalei Correa, OLB, Boise State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 31: Tyler Marz, OT, Wisconsin (A)
I’ll be sick if Howie and Chip DONT retain Bradford.. We really may have to franchise him now to give him a year to buy in on the new coach we hire.
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Hopefully we can get Sean PeYTON or a coach that would entice bradford..
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Get SAM extended, Tag him if we have to…. We can’t piss away a top 10 pick in round 2, and still have to find a QB
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Id consider keeping Shurmur as OC for his relationship with SAM and how well he knows him as a player
Whose playing safety?
Jenkins and
Jenkins and
Jenkins and
not sure, but I don’t think we could be successful plugging in a rookie to that spot.
Unless you pick #8 and jalen Ramsey is still on the board 😉
i’d be very happy if it came out like this. props on multiple OL and OLB
Is there any chance of Goff dropping that far?
Must be ackward for Azzinaro to show up for work today, he is the assistant HEADCoach, surprised his neck DIDNT land on chopping block with Chip, although he has done a great job and deserve to remain the DL coach if he wants to remain without chip..
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Funny how Chip is saying he Doesn’t want personnel duty in his next job when THATS literally what he said when we hired him, two years later he pulled a power play… Allegedly LURIE told chip we needed to bring in a real GM, chip Balked at that and Lurie grew a pair and fired him…. But now this weasel claims he wasn’t to stay in the NFL and doesn’t want personnel control? GTFO here!
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I would laugh so Hard if the Patheic Titans tell chip to beat it and don’t let him land on his feet coaching Mariota … If Chip signs with the Titans and we lose to Giants WOULDNT we get a last place schedule next year and possibly play the Titans?
Cowboys have last place locked down.
That’s right, forgot there are actually teams more Incompetant than us
Who would have ever thought chip would finish the season on the unemployment line with Cary and Brad Fletcher?
If it’s true that there has been a lot of infighting between Roseman/Chip/Manowitz…then I think Roseman has to go too. I don’t want someone in the organization that is capable of back stabbing. If you are not team first, and have your own personal agenda first, I don’t want you. You are grown men, and you don’t need to have “power struggles.” Lurie needs to rid it all.
Roseman has fought with everyone he’s ever had to work with… He is the reason why everything got out of hand last year with Gamble
So why is he still around? I want someone who puts the team before himself to lead this team.
Lurie has a man crush on him.
Everybody who has ever crossed Roseman has been sent packing.
Roseputin
Because he’s very good at what he does.
Taking a demotion last year was not putting himself before the team.
“Demotion” + i heard no one else in the league wanted to make him gm.
The guy is a survivor. He’s smart and well connected in the League. He is a non football guy that the players seemingly respected. He has outlasted everyone by knowing when to fight, or bite his tongue and let things play out. He’s cunning and he can be a prick. He gets along with agents because he’s damn near one of them.
I don’t know if he’s the guy, but he’s a legit nfl gm
The drafts that Lurie puts on Howie have actually been really good. Though I thought I read that MS2 was 100% on him, perhaps Kelly convinced him to reach. Would really love to figure that one out.
Gamble was brutal. And his father was a dirty collaborator with Norman Braman.
Links please. Never heard any of this.
I don’t think what Howie does can be considered “backstabbing”. I just think he truthfully repeats “Well, It turns out I was right about that one too” to Lurie about 90% of the Eagles personnel decisions, good and bad.
it’s all in the draft notes
Shame the failure of the Great Chip experiment has cost us an opportunity at hiring Bruce Arians, todd Bowles and Mike Zimmer. If Sean Peyton leaves the Saints, it would be awesome to be able to make him the next coach, Id be excited about putting Bradford, ERTZ, Jordan and this offense in the hands of Sean Peyton.. Sean Peyton and John Harbaugh are the only re-tred names I would want
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Any chance we can get Jim HARBAUGH to leave college after a year like bill Obrien did?
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Sooooooo many questions:
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Is LURIE going to keep the sport sciences department?
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What schemes will we run?
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How good can this defense be now that we have a coach that respects defense and doesnt ask them to be on the field so much that they play a total of 3 games more worth of snaps than the offense?
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How much better can we be now that we respect Time of Possession?
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How much better can the defense be without chips restrictions of a 3-4, press corner, single high scheme that has hurt us often in the past?
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How much better can the offense be now that we will value quality of snaos over Quality?
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How much better can Bradford be now that we can alow him to use his bright football brain to audible and get us in best situations?
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How do we discuss the draft having no idea what the next coach will value?
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How much different will our players feel going back to normal NFL schedule and normal NFL Practices instead of chips unique weekly schedule?
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How much more fundamentally sound will we be now that we will slow down practice, focus on details, and correct mistakes on practice field instead of later in the class room?
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How much Of a difference will it make to get a new coach the players actually want to fight for?
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Will we see the return of the Fullback?
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How do we talk about the draft having no idea what we look for, or what scheme we will run?
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Will LURIE and Howie franchise Bradford rather than let him get away?
we had bowles on staff. and mcdermott.
Looks like if both Arians AND Reid approve, then theres a good shot he will be a good coach
Dude, just one week ago you jumped down my throat for criticizing Chip, essentially you said Chip was infallible and had made a remarkable job as GM. You must have some great genetics. My knees and ankles would be destroyed with the amount of bandwagon jumping you do daily.
If you haven’t figured it out by now GE is a super fan. The dude loves his team. When I first saw his posts on here a few years ago I thought he was the typical baby-rage-make-no-sense-stupid-Eagles-Fan. He isn’t, he always comes up with solid reasoning, and always believes it.
Don’t hate the guy for loving his team man.
There is a bit of difference between fervently having an opinion and seemingly attacking others that have a different opinion. In short, I do not see much in the way of civil discourse many times.
Fanatics only want civil discourse with other believers. Christians really don’t like talking religion with Muslims, etc. Republicans don’t enjoy talking politics with Democrats. But two Christians can have a lot of fun talking trash about Muslims, and Republicans can have a blast complaining about whiny Libs. It’s a little sad, but it’s the way of the world.
Sounds like a judgement about me. Tisk tisk.
It sure feels like the coaching pool is just about as shallow as it was in 13′, doesn’t it?
right. BGN has a 10 candidates article and I dislike all but maybe 2-3.
I hope he keeps the SS guys.
Howie probably won’t allow it. (it’s a joke/ducks)
This list will keep us busy during the off-season.
Bet howie showed up up to novacare with his chest puffed out lol
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How beloved would HOWIE be if he brought back Desean in the offseason, like we did with Trotter after his two years in DC?
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It won’t happen but it would be fascinating if Pat Shurmur was the coach next year simply because I’m curious to see what a guy with TONS of NFL experiemce like shurmur who learned chips methods inside out, would do if he came to power? How much of chips methods would he keep in place? How many of chip methods would Shurmur trash and replace with Traditional NFL principles? Fascinating to know how much of chips methods Shurmur actually believes in
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Crazy, interesting world we woke up to in Philly today
it beats the hell out of just waiting around for the draft
I don’t know if bringing back Jackson would be very popular with the Chad Lewis/Terry Hoage jersey wearing crowd.
Lol please elaborate. I do love me some Chad Lewis and dislike me some Desean Jackson.
I’m not some old white dude that hates flashy young black culture either.
I just see Desean as a scum bag wanna be gangster, that has either (A) washed up, or (B) Broken down, or (C) Unable to be motivated properly outside of Andy Reid.
I pity Jackson just like Bilbo pitied Gollum. When DeSean’s dad died his world started to unravel. I hope that as a person he can work through his issues and move forward in a positive way, but I don’t see that happening until he is out of football (and money).
It is kind of sad, but pity is the last word I would use to describe me feeling. Was his childhood so sheltered that he always looked through the pane of glass at the gangster culture his team mates painted with envy, while he lived in a bubble? Was he ever allowed to make his own decisions about his life? Now that he is free from his Dad is he just over compensating for a lost child-hood?
I think about things like that…and then I realize I just don’t care enough about him to devote any amount of thought.
I think DeSean’s dad kept him focused and gave him priorities. I guess it’s possible that DeSean is trying to make up for lost time, but I see it more as losing an important positive influence. I really liked DeSean and wanted to take a risk on him in that draft. I’m still glad that Andy did take that chance, but I assumed letting him go was more about the potential decline in DeSean’s play than personality stuff. It was probably both. How much longer will he have elite speed?
His ability to stay on the field seems to be what is going first.
It’s probably best to not judge.
“Judge not lest ye be judged”, the missing part though “unless it involves your sports team”.
We all judge our team’s players on a personal level immediately. Maybe you don’t, but I sure do. Desean was a guy I used to love, so it sucks even more to see what I perceive him to be now.
Watching him mock the fans on Saturday, and indirectly me, then to see him basically want our love, makes me sick.
seemed really mature last week before the game. guy you’re really talking about is shady.
Money has changed Shady, but at the end of the day I will take 100 Shadys over 1 Desean.
Maybe he really has grown, if so, that’s great.
I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility that the Eagles hire a defensive head coach and keep Shurmur as OC. But I don’t consider him to be a head coaching candidate.
Same. It would be interesting to see the synthesis if an NFL guy’s pedigree and tutelage under Kelly. But he never struck me as HC material. Doesn’t seem like a leading man.
Not the guy I would really want running my offense, but if he is already under contract and that is who the new HC wants… go for it. Same for all the assistants.
Dave Fipp anyone?
If Desean Jackson comes back to this team I’m packing my bags.
Roseputin http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/1/1/7478705/jeffrey-lurie-howie-roseman-messiah-chip-kelly
Rasputin was a fraud. Howie Roseman is magic.
i guess we’ll find out
I think they tried to kill Rasputin several times and failed. Roseman is a cockroach, but not sure he has actually survived poisoned Chees Whiz as of yet.
Sounds like tabloids and petty office gossip/jealousy. Sounds like Lurie and Roseman are close. But it’s funny how shady that is to people.
i usually dismiss everything as gossip, but this situation has proven the trash talkers correct enough times where i don’t immediately dismiss everything anymore. it doesn’t matter if it’s shady to me – is it going to be shady to potential coaching candidates?
if i’m a coach i’m looking at philly media / fans who are brutal on losing, the fact that there’s no QB, and FO dysfunction and taking my talents elsewhere. we might have to do the shitty coach thing until we get that stench off of us.
Welcome to Cleveland 2.0.
But you aren’t a coach.
So maybe name an example of a legitimate coaching candidate that is going to turn down a head coaching job in the NFL because of the Eagles’ “FO dysfunction”
I think you are proposing a scenario that doesn’t actually exist.
how many coaches are running to that CLE job?
How many coaches have turned it down? I can think of one, and he just got fired.
cant turn down a job you don’t interview for.
people always say he can’t get it done because the NFL doesn’t like him. They said it when we were targeting Chip. They howled when Chip left. Then we signed Chip. So, I don’t know.
This is all the same crap everyone said before we signed the prettiest girl at the dance. No one wants to work with Howie. No one wants to work in Philly. No one likes the fans, the media.
We’re one of 32 NFL teams in the world, we don’t ask people to coach us for charity, and it ain’t Cleveland. We’ll get a coach.
“Nobody will work with Howie”, they say as Howie Roseman proceeds to make more draft day trades than any other GM in the league.
i remember that, but there’s a difference between swapping picks with someone and sharing roster decisions with them. put another way – when i apply for a job i like to talk to people who have worked there first. sometimes you hear enough about a place to know it ain’t for you.
Exactly. Roseman has come out on top several times now. The obvious explanation is that Lurie has judged him to be in the right more often than other members of the front office.
But some people don’t like the obvious explanation, most likely because they don’t like Roseman because he’s a numbers nerd rather than a former player.
Ummm, ok.
“We’re literally four years removed from Nnamdi eating lunch in his car and Babin accusing Eagles of socialism. Dysfunction predates Chip” — twitter
exactly. chip shit the bed but this organization has been unstable for a long time
Winning=stability. Losing=not. That is all that the text book on an NFL organization would say, if it were to be written today. Don’t try to over complicate it.
those equations also work as: stability=winning. instability=losing. it’s still not complicated but there’s more to it than “just win baby”
I guess I don’t understand your definition of unstable.
2012. Heckert and Gamble and the other three FO guys. Juan Castillo and Todd Bowles and McDermott. Kolb then Foles then Vick then Foles then bradford. the fireman. howie in charge, then out of charge now back in charge. thats a lot of stepping forward and then backward, and i’m just saying that a more consistent approach to building a leadership structure could make a positive difference in the long term management of this team. i don’t see what’s so crazy about that stance.
Not saying you are crazy, just unsure of what you meant. The way you explain it is absolutely correct. Some of those people really should of been stuck with, but didn’t work out for one reason or another.
As far as players go, very rarely will there ever be true stability in that area. I always thought they let McD go to soon, but apparently he just didn’t fit personality wise at the time. Some of the examples you give don’t hold up (Todd Bowles for instance), but I get the point.
Again it goes back to winning=stability. The guys on the list that were let go didn’t produce adequately.
we are fresh off of over a decade of Andy Reid. This is a franchise dedicated to winning. An owner who will pay for the biggest staff in the NFL and a whole Sports Science division for his team. Next time you take that for granted just remember:
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/article/media_slots/photos/000/825/255/jags1_crop_exact.png?w=650&h=431&q=85
I’m confused by this picture. I thought there was a box of darts in the Jags war room.
it’s a nerf gun
Rough simulation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_h6AEAlFIY
I’m still really surprised, if you give Chip full personnel control how do you make this move one year later. Why a week before the end of the season? What the heck was said in that meeting? If there was a power play over GM role, why is the owner making that power play after one season.
I totally get that Chip had a bad year, I just have a hard time understanding why if you pay all this money and change all kinds of things, you don’t give another year.
agree, i think chip lost the players. next coach better know who butters his bread – howie.
So Chip didn’t lose the locker room, he lost Howie.
I’m not even sure what that means. Murray was awful this year, clearly not as good as the other 3 RB’s. Was he run to the outside too much, yes. But these guys get paid to play. I don’t want the players deciding who is coach.
I’m having trouble processing this today. Very mixed feelings.
that means if you can’t live w/ howie you can’t coach the eagles.
Which is the way it should be. NFL coaches don’t have the time to do the GM job properly.
i’m unsure if chip wanted to be gm, or if just didn’t want howie, and wanted to oversee who was brought in – measurables and all. more like a CEO.
And the reason they had to bring up an unknown like Marynowitz to hold that job is no legitimate GM is going to take a GM job where they are effectively the coach’s fall guy.
agree.
Chip says, “Hey Jeff, I triple dog dare you to give me total control of this team.” Jeff (tugs at his collar a bit) responds after swallowing hard and thinking (a triple dog dare… I can’t possibly back down from that), “You’ve got it. But the moment you lose nine games I’m gonna run you outta town.”
“bad year” doesn’t begin to express the spectacular failure of Chip’s personnel moves.
I don’t think the reasons are wholly external. It must be something inside Novacare.
Obviously Lurie has a fixed mindset rather than a growth mindset letting Chip go.
Can I ask anybody, who is clamoring for Bradford to be resigned, why would a new coach come in and want Bradford? I don’t see his improvement in the second half of the season as enough to merit a new coach wanting to spend precious cap space on a QB he did not bring in.
I am all over the place today. Part of me thinks better to use this time to step back, remake the team, have a down year or two and get a high pick for a QB. Is Bradford just good enough to keep us mediocre. [well this year he wasn’t but the OL and WR’s etc gave no help]
I hear ya buddy, I’ve been all over the place as well on this. I just look at a majority of coaches that take new jobs like to pick their own guy which is why in my opinion there’s a good chance he’s let walk in FA. I was one of those that wanted him back but that was based more off the familiarity and continuity that would have come in the 2nd year in the same system and the same coach.
Right I just think if the new folks want Bradford b/c they want to build for the future and win now (like what Chip tried), it will fail. Maybe better to just focus on a longer term plan.
Sanchez can play while a new draft QB learns. We know Sanchez won’t win too many games.
yeah it’s tough. i’d say resign him if we draft someone. i don’t like the whole rookie qb trial by fire
if i’m bradford i walk, only reason to stay is same scheme, players. now new coach, new scheme, players aren’t that great
I am not clamoring for Bradford to be resigned, but I recognize that he may be the best QB available. Maybe you have a short list of other QB options that a new head coach might prefer?
I haven’t really got to the available QB list yet but I will shortly. I was just speaking to how most new coaches work with wanting to hand pick their own QB. If Bradford were to be on with a 3 year deal then yes I’m sure a new coach would take him as a bridge QB, but I don’t see Bradford not wanting to sign a long term deal.
I’m sure any “long term” deal would be structured to give the Eagles an out after a year or two. Assuming Howie Roseman is in charge of negotiating that contract of course…
Bradford will most likely be the best quarterback available in free agency. Other names that have been mentioned as possible alternatives, like Kaepernick and RGIII, make even less sense now that Chip Kelly is gone.
I agree but a new coach could also want to draft a rookie QB and groom said player in the mold they want. If that were to be the case then I see the scenario where Bradford is let walk and Sanchez is the temporary QB next season.
Or do both… draft a QB and let him sit behind Bradford for a year or two.
That’s my ideal scenario. Let’s just hope the new coach likes Bradford enough to do that.
I don’t think Sean McDermott will have a problem keeping Pat Shurmur and Sam Bradford if that’s what Howie decides to do.
There are no available QBs as good or better as Bradford. I don’t need a list. But no he’s not great. We’ve been looking for QB since McNabb. NO QB Santa coming soon.
You’d have to find a QB in this draft but they all need time to be groomed.
No way. New coach is going to gut this crappy roster. Alex Smith 2.0 does not need to be here during the rebuild. He’ll go make another 50 million being his mediocre self somewhere else and then go buy an island somewhere.
Does anyone else think that firing a coach feels like ending a really intense relationship?
With Reid I felt like I had been dating someone for years and watching things slowly get more and more stale until both parties realized that we were just treading water and that we hadn’t found “The One.” It was sort of a mutual break up that was viewed with good feelings for the past, but the mutual knowledge that both parties would be better going their separate ways.
This feels like we met someone that swept us off our feet on the rebound and made us think we were SURE we had found “The ONE”. Things were going so great for the first year or two and then all of a sudden “The One” started acting kind of crazy and did something horrible, there was a huge blow up fight and all of a sudden it was over.
Can’t shake the feeling of sadness and lack of hope that wasn’t the case when we fired Reid which had a bunch of optimism and good feelings associated with it. Just this doomed feeling, that while yes, there were tons of signs and red flags popping up that this person wasn’t The One, that we might one day regret losing someone that held so much promise.
Or maybe I have a real sickness when it comes to Eagles football that I even talk about it in terms of serious romantic relationships…
I felt andy Snubbed us far too many times. And all he gave us was a few good seasons and some wasted almost did it’s. Better off without him
I was ready for Andy to go, for sure. Wasn’t trying to say we made a mistake letting him go.
Are you married? 🙂
Seriously, yes, this has a feel of a failed love affair. Reality came at us fast.
to the dismay of my girlfriend of 4 and a half years, not yet…haha
i thought that was going somewhere else
“to the dismay of my girlfriend, yes”
Rimshot!
bradford may follow shurmer wherever he goes, houston could be an option, retiring could be a possibility.
Yeah, which is one reason I see keeping Shurmur on as OC as a real possibility.
I’d heard a month or two ago Chip was wearing out his welcome within NovaCare. People thought he was “weird” and “kind of an a******.” — kempski
does kempski realize that description fits him also
Takes one to know one…?
Lets talk defense:
I know, like almost all of you, would like the Eagles to return to some version of the 4-3. Sure we could do okay there. However, we have guys that have shown they can be -upper echelon in the league- good in a 3-4. Sure Cox will be a monster in any scheme, but his best has come in this one. As much as everyone hates Kiko right now, run the tape of his rookie year. Hicks looked amazing. Kendricks is probably better suited at ILB than weakside as well (though I hope the next staff figures out if he will be able to play under control, and if not let him go).
gotta be a 43. so many good 43 coaches around
Cox can play in any system and I think would actually be even better in the 4-3. Watching him play 3-tech DT would be a joy.
I think Logan, who is slightly undersized as a 3-4 2-gapping NT, would be even better as a 4-3 DT, since his best attribute is his ability to penetrate and move instead of eating up blockers.
I could care less about Thornton and Hart. Adequate players in a 3-4 2-gap, but not players that I base my scheme around either way. Either could stay as rotational DTs in a 4-3 behind Cox and Logan.
Graham is much better suited to 4-3 DE than 3-4 OLB. Either way he’s probably the weak link and should be upgraded on regardless of scheme moving forward
Curry is most likely gone if we stay in the 3-4, but could be a terror in a 1 gap scheme where he’s asked to penetrate with his explosive first step.
As for D line. I think a 3-4 line of Cox-Logan-Hart, is just as good as a 4-3 line of Graham-Cox-Logan-Curry, but that a 4-3 really let’s us take better advantage of the natural abilities of our players.
With LBs, Graham as I stated above is miscast as a 3-4 OLB and would be better as a 4-3 DE. Kendricks can and has played equally inconsistent in either scheme and would be fine as a 4-3 WLB. Hicks can play in either scheme. DeMeco if he isn’t cut, is better suited to a 4-3 and might even be able to get another year out of him if he has less space to cover and less coverage responsibilities.
Kiko played really well in a 4-3 his rookie year and, though a bit undersized for a SLB, could potentially be really great covering TEs if he ever returns to form. If not, Barwin is someone that I could see being able to play SLB in a 4-3, but obviously is better suited for a 3-4 OLB. However, Barwin is not such a transcendent player (plus he’s getting older 29), that I again wouldn’t design my scheme based on his strengths. Either him or Kiko should be fine to hold the fort down until a true SLB can be found.
I just think overall the team still has better overall personnel for a 4-3 than a 3-4.
“I’ve been texting back and forth with players and other people. Some players said ‘I’m shocked. I didn’t see this coming.’ Several players — current players — have said ‘About time.’ That’s all you need to know. ‘About time.’
[Chip] lost them. And I hate to use the term ‘the coaches lost the players’ because at this level, when you’re paid a lot of money to play the game, it can’t be about a coach motivating you. It’s going to be about you motivating yourself to play this game that most men dream about playing and will never get a chance to play. And when you’ve come from where you’ve come from in a lot of cases, you know, poverty, and didn’t have a lot of things, and made it to the pinnacle of your profession, it’s gotta be about nothing else than the love of the game and trying to sustain that. Because as know, the average life span in this league is three and a half years. So you won’t get this chance again.
So when I see several players saying ‘about time,’ that’s all I needed to know to confirm what I knew for a long time.” — derek gunn
Should have known when shady did the lurie guy and kissed the field lurie was probably in his feelings about those guys being let go.
We landed the consensus best available head coach. Will that happen again?
I guess you could say Chip Kelly went…
( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)
3 and out
That joke is so 12 hours ago!
Damn I’m late as usual lol
One of the things though, that makes me wonder about how “smart” Chip really is/was, is the fact that he adhered to so many seemingly obvious logical fallacies and inability to see things that were clear to all around him.
If you truly believe that running more plays gives you’re offense an advantage, doesn’t the same hold true for the other team’s offense?
Wouldn’t allowing the opposing team to run more plays against you than any other team allows give that same advantage to them? Why then would you try so hard to maximize your offenses number of plays ran while outwardly stating that you don’t care at all how many plays the opposing team runs?
If you truly believed that Jackson and McCoy didn’t fit your system, then why were they so successful when they were playing in it?
If one of the biggest advantages of trading McCoy was the ability to reallocate money from offense to defense, why then do you lock up a ton of money in an older inferior running back and erase that advantage?
If the goal is to pound the ball up the middle, why ignore the guard position entirely?
If you give $11M a year to a middle rung CB because you “need a CB and he was the best one available and that’s what the market for the position was”, why is the same logic nonsensical when talking about Maclin and the WR position?
If culture is so important, why Riley Cooper…?
If you like running out of shotgun, because it gives the QB so many more options and ways for you to tilt the numbers game in your favor, why do you never use that advantage and incorporate more of those options?
If it’s difficult to find good players, and you state that it’s the coaches job to build his offense around what the players you have do well, why do you narrow down the potential pool of players even further with strict measurable requirements and then continue to use those players for things that don’t fit those skills? (see DeMarco Murray running the sweep play over and over again)
If it’s so important to have players that “want to be here” why do you spend so little time making players “want to be here.”
If players need to be held accountable for execution, why are so many players left in the game when they fail to execute (Kiko, Kendricks, Fletcher, ect)?
Sometimes I wonder if there’s too few truly intelligent people in the football world to accurately notice when someone is or isn’t “a genius.” That word just seems to be thrown around with a bit too much regularity when I see so many of these guys do such stupid things a regular basis.
kelly hadn’t lost or been unsuccessful in a long time. he had guys putting up big numbers no matter who they were. So i think none of that probably occured to him. i really think you would have to see how he responded to this year – as an owner i’d say i want x and y fixed, i would have left him personnel control b/c i think this team is only a couple guards and an offseason away.
on the offense. Chip was used to scoring points, forcing teams into turnovers b/c they couldn’t catchup score-wise. The whole program is built around playing downhill w/ a lead. but that’s not how things worked in real life this year.
I think he just lost too many players in the locker room. The only thing you can do from there is another player purge. But how many of those can we afford to do in a row before can actually start building. Kelly might have potential to be successful, or even special, but Lurie decided it wasn’t going to be in this setting. Kelly may require a fresh start to reach his potential.
that’s one of the things i would have put on the end of year list.
the timing is odd. Very unlike Lurie. Must have been some sort of FO decisions being made that couldn’t wait? Something along the lines of, Marynowitz and Chip were about to extend Bradford/Cox (or the future of any player) or shut down talks with his agent. Or some future-oriented action and Lurie needed to shut it down knowing he was parting ways with Chip. Or who even knows. Maybe Lurie hated Chip… a lot. Maybe they had a candidate they are trying to court in a hurry.
So many unknowns.
some people just prefer to pull the plug as soon as they know the plug needs to get pulled.
But Lurie always seemed like a guy who believed in professional courtesy, dignity, and all that jazz. Just seems like something would have to trigger a “this needs to happen right damn now, on a tuesday evening”
yeah you’re right. i’d love to know exactly what.
and Mariota
beethoven and einstein were geniuses. calling someone a genius for being good at football means you are saying they are on that level. other than belichek or walsh i don’t think anyone in football deserves that title
think he was anointed that way and his tenure collapsed under the weight of that “genius”.
yeah i never heard him say it but he got accused of thinking it all the time. i don’t like everything he did, but people sure projected a lot of baggage onto him.
that, that said i never heard anyone refer to him as humble either
This world is not short of brilliant people. Einstein, Newton, Mozart, etc., were incredible but also born into circumstances where their talent could shine. The things they discovered have, now, already been found; what’s left are the details. No one today cares for music as complex and gorgeous as that written by Mozart, Beethoven, or Bach, so those with that potential will not go there. In an area as rife with money and opportunity as the NFL, I would expect there to be some truly brilliant people, the types that once would have been famous warriors, generals, or innovators.
you’re right that there have been many people as smart as einstein or louis arrmstrong over the years, but without their opportunities. that said, i think “genius” requires context. are you a genius just for being super duper smart or are you not a genius until you’ve actually made an impact worthy of the term? can you be a genius just based on potential? will lane johnson slide to LT?
That’s subjective. I was just pondering recently why there are actual terms with associated IQs for the mentally deficient (moron, imbecile, idiot have stats!) but none relating to smart people. The range between an average person with a 100 IQ and someone like vos Savant with her 200+ and many productive years of column writing (*wink*) is truly vast. 110 you can be a lawyer, 120 you can be a doctor. I would not be surprised to hear that Bellichek has a 160+, photographic memory or other crazy abilities, heck, it gave Steve Young a big advantage. “Genius” is not really defined. The best way to describe it, IMO, is the aphorism “Talent does what it can, genius does what it will.”
For a mind-blowing person many have never heard of, check out this dude:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan
i like that quote. a lot of people don’t really think IQ tells much. the argument would be that there are multiple types of intelligence that can’t be summed up in one number – emotional intelligence (a talented grief counselor), physical intelligence (different from physical ability – part of the reason one huge guy can be a nose tackle and another huge guy has to be a shitty bouncer), obviously there’s artistic and scientific intelligence. here’s a chart approximating it.
http://www.connectionsacademy.com/Libraries/blog/multiple-intelligences-learning-styles.jpg
Yes, the multiple intelligence theory makes a lot of sense to me. Geeks who can do calculus in their head are not necessarily good at personal interactions or moving their bodies gracefully. As a musician, I have seen a lot of very good players who would not rate on IQ. I think IQ is something relating to our technocratic society and encompasses abilities that are not as valuable in other environments. That being said, the eggheads who actually research this stuff have said that it does relate well to g (general intelligence) and that the multiple intelligences theory is discredited.
of course the eggheads think that. it refers to them! i’d say kelly is an example of someone with excellent logical and spatial intelligence but zero interpersonal intelligence. there was some man somewhere back in the day who was as smart as anyone we can name, but his potential was used to, who knows, tame wolves or perfect the log canoe. there’s also likely been many, many women who would rate as geniuses but were born in times and places where the concept of female intelligence was unknown. there were certainly slaves who had genius-level intelligence and zero opportunity to harness it. this is so off topic it’s crazy.
I’ve noticed (to some extent) that high intelligence people do tend to be good at everything more so than excelling in one area to the detriment of other areas. That seems like it would have more to do with some other dysfunction (like autism) that is holding an area back.
Having said that, I think multiple intelligence is the best way to look at intelligence for normal people (like myself). With some giftedness combined with practice and training a lot of folks can achieve a higher level in one or two areas. Also, it helps children who are gifted in ways that the public school system doesn’t acknowledge to see their value if they are taught about this stuff.
anyone can be a lawyer
But not everyone can be a good lawyer. lol
right but I’m just mildly making fun of the comment. If you are saying higher IQ can be a great [lawyer], then sure. Applies to everything probably.
Agreed 100%. The bar exam doesn’t seem to weed too many folks out.
eagles go to a boring coach – philly media might be scared for their jobs.
“wtf he actually answered our questions”
Can we poach Belichick? That would be a funny dynamic with the media.
Is Shottenheimer available?
now there’s a dude who got fired for no good reason. what was he, 14-2?
Got to the playoffs every year with a great record. Couldn’t win a play off game. Victim of narrative. People felt he was too conservative to succeed in the playoffs.
so hire him for the 14 wins and get him drunk for the playoffs?
Hire Marty for the regular season and Jon Gruden for the playoffs. Bang. Maybe Coughlin 🙂
Contractually barred from punting after January, also media using the term “dink and dunk” post January to describe your offense warrants a $1,000 fine per use.
Knowing our history Kellt is going to coach a to 5 team in a couple years while we still stink
the Eagles Rewind article is pretty good if you want to check it out. I like the reference that it was just building blocks falling on to each other and putting more pressure on another part of the team that would then eventually fail. Likely starting with the OL.
That’s D3FBs work. And it’s good stuff as usual.
thanks for pointing that out
Thanks mac
Thanks Rob
When McDermott was here, one of the rubs against him was that he did not relate well to players. In Carolina he landed with a defensive minded HC and a team loaded with talent. I am not sure all the success of Carolina falls on McDermott.
2 years that McDermott coached the Eagles the team ranked 19th and 21st in points allowed. In Carolina his defense finished in top 10 2 out of 5 years – in 2013 and 2015.
true, but like tom coughlin or belichick, maybe he learned from earlier shortcomings. maybe not. i’d rather have hugh jackson
yea … if I remember correctly, his biggest problem was trying to overcome the vast shadow cast by the ghost of Jim Johnson. I heard a bunch of reports that he changed his personality and tried to be something he wasn’t to overcome that shadow and it rubbed people the wrong way. Wouldn’t be nearly the same issue this time around.
I’m more concerned with the fact that his success has been short lived so far and has only really occurred in an ideal setting (defensive minded coach, with a defense loaded with top talent). But, I still look back with fond memories on the game plan he came up with that finally allowed us to take down Manning by confusing the ish out of him.
I think we have to go 4-3 on defense. I believe we have top-10 personnel on D right now if we add 1 impact pass rusher.
Cox and Logan are the best tackle tandem in the league if you let them 1-gap. They’re both pretty unstoppable 1-gapping.
From Graham, Barwin, and Curry you have two decent DEs in the 4-3. It would be better if we could replace one end with a stud pass rusher.
Hicks will be a great MLB if he is healthy. Kendricks is a better 4-3 OLB than a 3-4 ILB. Alonso is a better 4-3 OLB. Goode is basically a 4-3 OLB. Can Smith play in a 4-3?
If we re-sign Thurman our safeties are fine. Corners are average, but might be better behind a 4-3. I’d love to see what Rowe can do at safety…
Offense, on the other hand, will have to be revamped, especially if we don’t keep Bradford.
does it put more pressure on the secondary – less coverage type linebackers? or is that offset by a better rush? not arguing just asking opinion
Better pass rush should help the corners, especially in man. If you play LOTS of zone the coverage LBs help the corners, but our coverage guys don’t seem to help that much.
they sure don’t!
Only if you have LBs that can cover. I haven’t seen Graham, Kiko, Kendricks, Ryans or even really Barwin defense a pass all year.
couldn’t agree more. Would love to see the defense be built around Cox and Logan attacking with Hicks as the MLB. Also would love to bring Curry back in that scenario. I don’t think he’s nearly as overrated as people on here seem to think. Just terribly miscast in a 3-4 2 gap scheme. His first step is insanely good. He could cause a lot of disruption if he were allowed to attack a single gap.
How much cap space do we have? What are our most likely cuts and hope much will we save?
We have zero cap space.
http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/philadelphia-eagles
$133mil of cap commitments and expected cap is ~$152mil.
Cap cut possibilities with savings:
Cooper – save $2.9mil
Sproles – save $3.5mil
DeMeco – Save $3.5mil
Celek – Save $5mil
Peters – Save $6.3mil
obviously a lot of guys can be cut to save ~$1mil.
Key free agents:
Bradford, Thurmond, Carrol, Thornton, Curry.
cut em all
not the bottom four
Nah Celek for 5, Peters for 6+, Demarco she you’ve got all these other guys
peters will be here
I’d drop all of them except maybe Sproles unless someone wants to redo their deal s so could be looking at a little over 35M
Also Barwin is trade bait if we go to a 4-3
Why wouldn’t Barwin fill the SAM role in a 4-3? With Kendricks at Will and Hicks inside.
Absolutely if we are going 4-3… I am all aboard the Payton train so in that case we could be keeping the 3-4.
Do want to see us go back to a 4-3 tho, one advantage of a McDermott hire
wouldn’t this be part of the interview? like what do you think you would do with this personnel, who do you build around and how to use their talent the best way?
if anyone says 2 gapping, honestly I don’t hire them.
Well 3-4 defenses can work… and we have personal for that, If the best coach we can find wants to run that then fine
don’t we have better personnel for 4-3?
yes in that we our LB corps isn’t good enough to nail the 34, but no in that behind the admittedly awesome front four of curry cox logan and graham would have pretty much no depth behind it. i’d say we’re close but no cigar for either defense.
can we cut Sanchez?
Why would we, we may not be resigning Bradford so he might be the QB while we warm up Goff or some kid well try to get
if say we could save $4M. I don’t know his contract.
Hes barely making that much a season
$5.5mil base salary with a $2mil dead money cap hit if cut.
He can and should be cut for a cap savings of $3.5M
so Giants less 3.5. Do you think Eagles fully implode or play hard and god forbid win. I should just stay away from this I always get burned. I need to pick 5 against the spread if anyone wants to offer what games they like. Week 17 adds a challenge with most teams out of the race.
I want all back ups to be starters so we can ‘evaluate’ them. Lose at any cost – fuck it phone in Hinkie to be guest Head Coach for the game.
we are just setting ourselves up to be more mad when they win. Watch, no penalties too. No false starts, illegal motions etc. Just to really make it hurt.
murray rushes for 165 and ertz and cooper haul in clutch circus catches. marcus notches 4 sacks.
i’d better watch so they lose
If you get a chance to be interim coach, you aren’t throwing the game. Everyone on the team is thinking I wont eb back here so I dont care about the Eagles draft pick. THey are all going to be auditioning and I think the Eagles win this game.
little late after they played like hot horse shit all year
I will put money down they win.
right that’s the freakin problem.
i’d give the whole team the “Pride” speech from Pulp Fiction. “Say ‘my ass goes down in the fourth'”
I’d find something wrong with Bradford and keep him off the 53. If Cooper comes down with a long pass I’ll be so mad.
catch the ball? you’re cut. nice block? cut. special teams tackle? cut.
We should put out 9 olinemen plus Donnie Jones as our kickoff team and let Beau Allen kick it off.
Hopefully Odell comes back angry
I’d stay as far away from betting this game as possible. This game could literally go any of a million ways.
people shouting adam gase, but has he done anything? i don’t see chicago’s offense setting the world on fire, their numbers are worse than ours.
yeah the problem is no one has done anything great or they wouldn’t be available. I’m with you, I look at the list and cross off everyone.
what’s wrong with hugh jackson?
I don’t know who he is. That doesn’t mean anything.
it might be Hue Jackson. either way, he’s the Bengals OC. he was the raiders coach when al davis died, i think, so while he did get fired, it was by the raiders so idk if it really counts.
matthews, rowe and lane went on WIP last night defending chip. Rowe said he’s the one that wanted to be on calvin — they wanted to put max on him.
matthews basically said some people were unhappy, but it didn’t effect play; being in philly small grumblings get blown out of proportion.
Glad to hear some players were still defending Chip. It would be even more concerning if all these professionals really did quit on their coach because he wasn’t friendly enough to them.
That being said, Rowe wanting to be on Johnson isn’t really an excuse for a coach allowing it to happen. But, I will say, I think Rowe played it better than anyone could have expected and I doubt any other CB was going to stop those throws. He was just beat with insane throws and insane catches. Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to the other guys.
What about that Cooter guy off the Lions? He’s resurrected Stafford in a way. Hell, even their running game is becoming relevant.
running game? detriot?
i think they’re gonna do what they can to keep him
maybe we can snatch him away
it seems easier to build a strong FO (Giants, Pittsburgh, Baltimore) than to hit on the chance you find a guy who can do it all (Belicheat). So maybe we should try that and not give the whole set of keys to the next coach.
exactly. sustained success at the organizational level can survive a coaching change.
Mike Leach or Paul Johnson. We won’t win many games, but that isn’t going to happen anyway. The Air Raid or Flexbone would be fun to watch for awhile.