Coaching Rumors are Heating Up
Posted: January 4th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 717 Comments »Here we go.
Eagles will interview interim head coach Pat Shurmur on Monday and Bears offensive coordinator Adam Gase on Tuesday, per @mortreport.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) January 4, 2016
Adam Gase will make his first interview Tuesday in Philly. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if Eagles made a strong push
— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) January 4, 2016
Alex Marvez of FOX Sports has an article up with more coaching info.
FOX Sports has learned that Chicago offensive coordinator Adam Gase, Detroit defensive coordinator Teryl
Austin and New York Giants offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo are among the candidates the Eagles will
consider pursuing as replacements for the fired Chip Kelly
I like all of these candidates. Let’s talk about them.
ADAM GASE
Most people consider Gase to be the top candidate among assistant coaches. Simply put, he has had a knack for getting QBs to play well and that is invaluable in today’s NFL.
I’m fascinated by Gase because he reminds me of an offensive version of Bill Belichick. Gase went to Michigan State, not to play football, but just as a normal student. He got coach Nick Saban to let him do some work for the football team. When Saban left for LSU, the only person he took with him was…Gase.
Gase wasn’t making much money at all. He was feeling financial and family pressure to move on from football and get a real job. He almost did, but stuck it out and eventually got a scouting job with the Lions (and Steve Mariucci). That led to a low-level assistant job with the Lions and eventually he was the QBs coach in 2007 working under OC Mike Martz. Martz left for SF in 2008 and took Gase with him.
Gase then coached WRs for Denver in 2009 and 2010. He became the QBs coach there in 2011 and 2012 and was promoted to OC in 2013 and 2014. When John Fox was fired after the season, he took Gase to Chicago with him to be the OC for the Bears.
That history is important for a few reasons.
First, Gase is a self-made man. He wasn’t a college football player. He wasn’t an NFL player. He showed great work ethic at the lowest rungs of the football ladder and carved out a niche for himself.
Another key, people who worked with Gase kept taking him to new teams. It says something pretty good when Nick Saban, Mike Martz and John Fox all like you enough to want you to follow them to new gigs. Those are three very different coaches. They aren’t close friends so this wasn’t a case of them looking out for a mutual acquaintance. Each coach was impressed by Gase after working with him.
Results are also critical. Jon Kitna had a solid season playing for Gase in 2007. Brandon Marshall posted big numbers in 2009. Eddie Royal and Jabar Gaffney played well for Gase. Brandon Lloyd had the best season of his career playing for Gase in 2010.
Tim Tebow went 7-4 playing for Gase in 2011 and even won a playoff game. Peyton Manning had his bounce-back season under Gase in 2012 and then posted the greatest season in the history of NFL QB’ing in 2013, throwing 55 TD passes. Jay Cutler is going to finish with the highest QB rating of his career. He did throw 3 INTs in the season finale, but greatly cut down on critical mistakes this year.
My favorite quality with Gase is versatility. He worked under Mariucci (West Coast Offense), Mike Martz (Coryell/Gillman offense) and embraced Manning’s playbook (Tom Moore offense). Gase was able to have success dealing with all of those systems.
When Tebow took over as QB, Gase got as creative as he could. He consulted college coaches for ideas. He talked to Demaryius Thomas, who had played in a triple option offense at Georgia Tech, for ideas. Gase was as user-friendly with Cutler as he could be. Gase figured out what Cutler had done well in the past and built the offense around that.
When dealing with Manning, Gase didn’t try to make life difficult. He embraced the no-huddle, shotgun attack. He learned Manning’s playbook and made that the core of the offense. Gase knew he was handed an incredible gift and he handled the situation in the smartest way possible.
Gase understands that football is more players than scheme.
Players seem to like Gase. He hasn’t had to lead a whole team yet, but has had good success with the units he’s run. Brandon Lloyd told a story years ago about screaming and cussing at Gase during a game when the coaches weren’t using him the way he wanted. Gase didn’t get confrontational. He kept things calm and defused the situation.
There are two big questions with Gase. First, can he lead a team? That is always a concern when you hire a coordinator to be head coach. Leading 5, 10, or even 25 men is different from leading an entire organization. I know Gase is smart enough to handle the job. I just don’t know if he’s a natural leader. Because he rates so well in all the other categories, I’d be willing to take a chance on him.
The other concern is whether Gase will want the Eagles job. If he’s the top guy, he will have his choice of jobs. The Eagles are getting the first crack at him so that bodes well. He wouldn’t interview if he had no interest. I just don’t know where the Eagles might fall on his list.
I like Gase quite a bit and think he could be a terrific hire.
TERYL AUSTIN
I haven’t had a chance to do as much studying on Austin.
For the past two seasons, he was the DC for the Lions. They were 2nd in the NFL in defense in 2014 before falling to the middle of the pack this year. Amazing what happens when you lose Ndamukong Suh and Nick Fairley in one offseason.
Austin coached DBs for the Ravens from 2011 to 2013. He was the DC at Florida for one season. Prior to that, Austin coached DBs for the Cardinals (2007-2009) and the Seahawks (2003-2006). He worked his way through college football as an assistant before coming to the NFL.
Austin has a strong reputation as a leader and communicator. He speaks well and has the presence of a head coach. Some assistants struggle with that.
Like Gase, Austin has worked for a lot of good football coaches. He was under Mike Holmgren in Seattle and John Harbaugh in Baltimore. I’m sure a strong recommendation from Harbaugh would go a long way with Jeff Lurie.
Austin’s worked with some good DCs as well. Ray Rhodes, John Marshall, Clancy Pendergast, Chuck Pagano and Dean Pees aren’t all big names, but those are some outstanding coaches. Austin has been exposed to a lot of different schemes and systems. Austin has run a 4-3 with the Lions, but he doesn’t believe in being static. He likes to blitz and mix things up. If he were head coach, you might actually see the 4-3 Under that we all expected from Bill Davis when he was hired.
The biggest attraction to Austin would likely be the fact he’s got such DB expertise. The Eagles haven’t had a strong secondary in a while. There are some promising young DBs in place and it is critical the team develops them into solid starters, if not even better than that.
It would be interesting to have a defensive head coach. That hasn’t happened since Ray Rhodes was here from 1995 to 1998.
BEN McADOO
Another young coach with a strong offensive background and good track record. As with Austin, I need to do more research on him.
Like Gase, McAdoo is a grinder. He started coaching at the high school level before becoming an graduate assistant at Michigan State (what is it about MSU?). A couple of years later he became a GA at Pitt, where he worked for Walt Harris (good offensive coach).
During that time in his life, McAdoo had met a coach by the name of Mike McCarthy. They were both natives of western PA and developed a friendship. McCarthy was impressed enough by McAdoo to hire him to come work for the Saints in 2004. McAdoo then followed McCarthy to SF in 2005 and onto Green Bay in 2006. They worked together there through 2013.
McAdoo coached TEs from 2006 until 2011. He then coached QBs in 2012 and 2013.
In 2014, McAdoo was hired away to be the Giants OC.
The biggest selling point for me in regard to McAdoo is his work with Eli Manning. We all know the saying that you can’t teach old dogs new tricks. McAdoo got Eli to completely change his game. Eli just set personal records for TD passes and QB rating this season.
In the past, Eli liked to throw vertically. That meant holding onto the ball. McAdoo got him to embrace quick throws. Instead of 7-step drops and 20-yard throws there were 3- and 5-step drops and quick hitters. This eliminated some negative plays and helped the offense to be very efficient at times. Think about it. Eli had a banged up O-line and serious receiver issues, but still set personal passing records. That’s pretty impressive, by him and McAdoo.
Things worked out pretty well in Philly the last time the Eagles hired someone who had coached the Packers TEs and QBs. That was Andy Reid. McAdoo had the added benefit of leaving the nest and going to NY to work under Tom Coughlin and see another organization up close and personal. Reid never got to be an OC. I’m sure McAdoo learned quite a bit in his time away from the Packers.
McAdoo would be of interest because he has gotten good results from a pair of QBs. He knows the NFC East. He understands coaching in a bit city and the pressure of being in the spotlight. He knows how to run someone else’s system (McCarthy’s) and also how to create his own.
The Giants may make a strong push to keep McAdoo themselves.
PAT SHURMUR
I’m not going to write a lot about Shurmur.
The biggest selling point is that he’s close with Sam Bradford and keeping Shurmur around might help to bring Bradford back. Shurmur was not a good coach in Cleveland, but he says he would do a lot of things differently now and that Chip Kelly had a strong influence on him.
Shurmur did a good job of running the team in the season finale. He handled the week well and the players seemed to respond to him.
I would not make him a priority target, but if things don’t work out with others, there is something to be said for giving him a chance. Obviously he would need a strong interview to get the job.
I would love to bring Shurmur back as part of the staff. I just don’t see him as a compelling head coach.
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I like the idea of hiring a guy with a reputation as a QB whisperer such as Gase or McAdoo. A coach like that could help in resigning Bradford (which I think they should do unless he demands an exorbitant long-term contract) and enable them to get the most out of him. If Bradford departs, we’ll need somebody to coach the rookie we’ll be drafting. Either way, a hire like this would necessitate bringing in a good defensive coach to run the defense.
What QBs has Macadoo whispered? He had Rodgers./ that one
And I find it more than coincidental that Eli put up great numbers around the same time Macadoo and Beckham arrive. I think its 80% Beckham and 20% Macadoo
Eli’s improvement has been noticeable even without Beckham, who has missed a lot of games in his two seasons in the league. He has fewer INTs, a higher completion %, etc. than he did before. Moreover the Giants’ offense has been very good even with questionable skill position talent outside of Beckham during McAdoo’s years there.
Andy Reid had worked with Brett Favre for his entire pro coaching career but it turned out his reputation as a QB whisperer was well-founded. Same could be true of McAdoo, who at the very least merits an interview.
I get it just not that impressed. Most of Eli’s INTs are like Bradfords. Tipped passes WR should’ve caught.
Andy Is a QB whisperer as long as the QB was a first round talent.
Im nt saying don’t interview the guy but… how many games has Eli and company won the last 2 years? Do we want a guy that Billy avis SHUT OUT? I would honestly rather have spagnuolo tbh
Beware, checkdowns on a team playing behind with few wins.
Sounds more like elegant suicide as a game plan.
Good rundown Tommy. Learned some things there I didn’t know.
Don’t want to say how I know this but if the Eagles really want Gase & all things are equal then I believe he will take the job. That’s not just idle conjecture on my part.
even over a colts job?
Luck is definitely a selling point for any Coach, but I wonder if Grigson would scare some away.
If I know anything about human nature, yes.
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Teryl Austin sounds like a great candidate. The play offs are showing that defensive minded HCs can work, with the right offense. Also Austin coaches a blitzing 4-3, which is always easy points in my book
I have very little interest in Austin. The Lions’ defense has been good, but also undisciplined, and most of the “good” part I ascribe to the talent he had there. It’s not a coincidence they went downhill quickly when Suh and Fairley left.
Do you really want the guy who can’t defend a Hail Mary properly as your head coach?
not a great year for coaches me thinks. gase is ok. he’s always had great weapons. first year HC – probably fall victim to similar chip issues. it does seem like they want a young up and coming coach, even though the ones that are winning titles right now are retreads.
Problem is the only retread worth hiring is Hue Jackson or if you can a guy like Nick Saban.
Bill Cowher or Jon Gruden aint coming back and not sure its worth trading for Sean Payton
https://twitter.com/IgglesCoverage/status/683789945069162500?s=09
Cant stop watching lol
Beau is pretty quick!
Beau Allen set us up the bomb.
This is just spectacular. Also extremely difficult to stop looking at. lol
The initial reason I was an Eagles fan for 13 years was Merrill Reese and Mike Quick on the radio and rooting for 5 when he was slumping and under attack in the media. I had been a Broncos fan for a slightly shorter time and tuned the sport out completely for a while (which I didn’t want to admit before).
The quality of the beat writing on the team is excellent imo, with a few exceptions occasionally noted here. Out of it all, Tommy stands out as one of the best football bloggers in the universe. A lot of the commenters here are excellent reading too. Those feeling flush in the holidays could consider pushing the paypal button.
Nice I was thinking about mentioning that myself.
Eli had “serious receiver issues”?
Please I would trade every WR we have for Odell Beckham and count it as a steal for us.
I’m not a fan of Macadoo but last time we hired someone with strong Greenbay ties….
OBJ was injured for the first few games of 2014
Yea I know that still look at his numbers and lets not forget Eli did have Cruz while ODB was out. I think players deserve more credit when theres a small sample size
Im high on Gase because of the diversity of his success.
1.Gase
2.Jackson
3.Austin
4.Shurmur
Thats my list
I have no idea about all this guys. Just reading what is put out there. And for me it´s more about the person than their history. What I loved about Reid was his approach with the palyers. So many Ex-players still love this team even when they got let go. I can´t judge any of those HC candidates if they could handle this. Next thing is: How great are those coaches without a true franchise QB. And let us be honest, there is nobody out there. Not Bradford, not in the draft and not as a free agent. So who could possibly handle this situation best. Best case scenario: Bradford becomes legit and you find a way to utilize him.
Au contraire: Best case scenario is they spend a 3rd round pick on someone and he turns out to be the guy. Great QB on a rookie contract is a nice thing.
Powerball’s gonna be a big jackpot, too.
I wouldn’t even interview shurmur guy can’t leave town soon enough.
Don’t get me wrong, I like Gase, but how come he is considered the top candidate this year, yet last year he had interviews with the Broncos, the Bills, the Bears and the Falcons for a HC gig, and he did not get any of them? I intentionally left out the interview with the 49ers, because seemingly the owner and the GM had picked Tomsula to be the HC before the interviews started.
He also had interviews with the Ravens and the Jaguars for their respective OC positions, although he could have chosen Chicago over those places. However, the Ravens OC gig seemingly went to Trestman before Gase was picked by Chicago, so he might have been the runner up in Baltimore.
Does one year make this much difference?
A lot of times first time HC candidates don’t get it the first year. Its also possible he didn’t interview well or the Owners chocked up his success to Manning?
Cutler has always been turnover prone. Helping him cut down on that was really impressive this year. So, yes 1 year can make all the difference
Good story on Gase http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/12/31/adam-gase-nfl-head-coaching-jobs-jay-cutler-peyton-manning-tim-tebow
My favorite part:
“We try to do what’s best for us that week.” How can u not want that after watching us the last 2 years
It’s hard to evaluate assistants as potential head coaches, without knowing more about their plans for the team. Some guys aren’t up to the task.
1 – Thankfully there is no interview set for McDermott
2- I like Gase the best on this list
3 – Hue Jackson please
I have zero clue why people want McDermott or Pat Shurmur
I like Shurmur IF we’re going to keep Bradford. That continuity would be key………but I’m talking Shurmur as OC/QB coach. I wouldn’t mind him as head coach.
McDermott is unfathomable to me……….period.
McDermott is a creative defensive mind with a track record of getting production out of marginal talent. He had a 12th ranked defense here with guys like Moise Fokou, Jamar Chaney, and Macho Harris playing key roles. Working with good talent in Carolina, he’s fielded an elite defense. His resume absolutely merits consideration.
You mean the year where we had the first red zone defense of all time?
Good news: Contracts offers have been reported to Cox and Curry
Bad news: NOBODY HAS TERMS AVAILABLE!
Very difficult to get excited discussing those moves and predicitng others on a half story. I wish I knew what the offers were.
I assume Cox is going to be in the Dareus range from Buffalo (6 years / $95 mil), but Curry perplexes me. Does he get the 5 years / $42 million Griffin deal or less than that? Does he get Graham’s deal?
I really hope Cox gets less than Dareus. Dareus isnt worth his deal at that price tag and not sure Cox will be either.
I Graham type deal would be fair for Curry
I’m not sure if you’d have an easy time telling Cox’s agent he should take less than Dareus. Maybe get him at 6 / $90 but with an increased signing bonus?
Our new 4-3 D is going to be centered around Cox’s talents at DT, so I don’t mind playing break the bank for a guy who I know is good an already on my team.
I hope more like Gerald McCoy than Dareus deal.
Key to Cox is going to be getting him to sign it before Wilkerson hits the market. Anything from $12 to 15 AAV wouldn’t surprise me.
Given that their’s no guarantee what defense the Eagles are going to run next season, I doubt Cox would want to sign for anything less than top dollar. One of the few guys who earned it this season.
Supposedly the offer to Curry is “fair”. I take that to mean that it’s approximately what his market value should be and not insulting but isn’t super lucrative and he may be able to make more testing the open market.
I’m guessing that means it’s BG money.
Howie’s track record on cap management/contracts is pretty good. I’m not worried he’s going to get suckered on these deals.
[…] Coaching Rumors are Heating Up – Iggles BlitzAnother key, people who worked with Gase kept taking him to new teams. It says something pretty good when Nick Saban, Mike Martz and John Fox all like you enough to want you to follow them to new gigs. Those are three very different coaches. They aren’t close friends so this wasn’t a case of them looking out for a mutual acquaintance. Each coach was impressed by Gase after working with him. Results are also critical. Jon Kitna had a solid season playing for Gase in 2007. Brandon Marshall posted big numbers in 2009. Eddie Royal and Jabar Gaffney played well for Gase. Brandon Lloyd had the best season of his career playing for Gase in 2010. Tim Tebow went 7-4 playing for Gase in 2011 and even won a playoff game. Peyton Manning had his bounce-back season under Gase in 2012 and then posted the greatest season in the history of NFL QB’ing in 2013, throwing 55 TD passes. Jay Cutler is going to finish with the highest QB rating of his career. He did throw 3 INTs in the season finale, but greatly cut down on critical mistakes this year. […]
Somewhat surprised by the lack of love for McDermott. I’m not saying they should make him the coach, but given that he’s coached in Philly before and has a good track record since leaving, bit surprised there isn’t more interest both from the team or the fans.
P.S. Yes, I know he left under a bit of a dark cloud. Trying to replace a legend, especially when McDermott was still a kid @ the time is really tough.
Regardless, I’d like to see a strong defensive coach picked with a Shurmur type guy brought in to develop the O. If the Eagles insist on an offensive HC, I like Hue better than Gase or McAdoo but they’re all decent candidates.
What track record? That team and defense is all Rivera, nothing from that defense is because of McDermott.
Offensive head coaches tend to get all the credit when the offense plays well and the same is true on the defensive side. People still keep hiring guys under people like Carroll, Bellicheck, Reid, and now McCarthy. I choose to believe McDermott has at least a bit to do with Carolina’s success on D.
How many guys from the same side as those has been successful?
I would like to see defensive minded coach, like Miranelli or Pagano. Pagano isn”t likely to join another team with a weak personnel dept though.
Yes, let’s hire a guy who turns 67 before next season who happens to be the only coach to ever go 0-16
PAUL GUENTHER! PAUL GUENTHER! PAUL GUENTHER!
Who? 🙂
hasn’t he only been DC for one year? you really want him?
2 years.
Local Ties?
Check. He’s a Bucks native. Went to Ursinus and was the HC there in the late 90s. So he’s a native son and obviously has spent time pressing the flesh on the recruiting trail.
HC exp?
See above.
Diverse background w/ ties to well regarded coaches?
Spent time as assistant on both offense and ST. Worked under both Marv Lewis (DC of the 2000 Ravens) and Mike Zimmer.
Is he ready? IDK, but I’d def like to see him get an interview
Look, friend, I haven’t heard that name before, so he can’t possibly be any good. Can’t you just repeat the name you heard on WIP? How about a nice John Gruden?
JOHN MADDEN! HE’S THE BEST! THEY NAMED A VIDEO GAME AFTER HIM! HE’S A NO NONSENSE KIND OF A GUY! BET HE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW WHAT A GODDAMNED SPREAD OFFENSE IS!!!!
We definitely need to start an IgglesBlitz D3FB beer fund.
He forgot to take his methylphenidate this morning. 😉
man he’s goofy looking on google.
Gase would be interesting, especially if Shurmur and Bradford come back.
The key will again be the DC. There’s some talent there. Cox, Logan, Curry, Graham, Hicks, Thurmond, Jenkins, Maxwell, Rowe.
If the new DC can get Alonso and Kendricks to play well, we could have something special there.
Conner Barwin odd man out?
Barwin gets phased out if we play 43 over. He’d be an awkward fitting SAM and rotational DE. He’s likely back in 2016 but would be cap casualty after next year.
The old “scheme over talent” keeps ringing in my eyes.
Maximizing talent would be going to an under front.
That’s the big question if we switch to 4-3. I guess he can always be in a rotation at DE, but I’m not sure you want him as a full time LB.
I’d imagine that a creative DC would find a way to use him. We do have to consider that most teams play nickel quite a bit.
Even with a switch to the 43, he’d have tremendous value as he is probably our best coverage LB. Also, he is still a good pass rusher and could very well rotate with Graham and if he stays Curry. People also just assume that Curry would be dominant if we were a 43. Understandable, but we’d be fools to not have a contingency plan.
If we stay a 3-4, Barwin isn’t going anywhere, but Curry might.
I like what you say about Barwin. Like others, I’d also like to keep and use Vinny more. Abundance of wealth.
I. Want. Payton.
I think most of us would be pretty happy with him.
The question is whether Lurie/Roseman will agree to the compensation package. Without a 2nd round pick, it might be tricky.
We also don’t know if he wants to come here. Dallas, NYG, San Diego, and the Rams might all be more attractive to him.
Yeah, and I want a pink unicorn. Peyton isn’t chosing the Eagles over a chance to coach Luck or Eli
Eli or the Giants roster is not that big of a draw.
Get real dude…a coach cares about the QB. Give any coach a QB and he will gladly build the rest.
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And we DAMN sure don’t have so many valuable draft picks That we can afford to trade one for PeYTON… Id love to see him choose the Eagles, but Im trying to be realistic here… But you are welcome to your opinion
Again how is Eli a big draw then?
He’s durable?
The rumors of NYG have to do with his coaching tree. He was a Parcells guy and has known Coughlin for a long time. He obviously coached under the Tuna in Dallas.
I also read that he has a daughter in California and those jobs are appealing to him for those reasons.
I don’t think he has 100% choice, He’s on contract for 2 more years with the Saints. They mutually want to part ways supposedly, but the only way for both to get out of it without one paying or one giving up a heaping sum of money is to be traded.
If they hire McAdoo, he’s going to have to do something about the pornstache.
i cant get past that.
Hope the Gase Chase turns out better than the Gus Bus.
My personal choice for HC in order would be: David Shaw, Sean Payton, Adam Gase, Josh McDaniels, Hue Jackson.
I’d love to see Mike McCoy as our OC but I guess I could get behind Shurmur staying behind. I wouldn’t mind Duce, Stoutland and Day staying behind in their current positions.
Jim Schwartz is basically the only DC candidate I covet, and he probably gets a HC job. As long as we keep Undlin the DBs coach, my only preference is someone not named Billy Davis.
Fipp stays!
And as long as we’re dreaming, I’ll take Scott Fitterer as GM.
I be very interested in giving Undlin a DC chance consider his unit was the only one doing a ton better than last year
If I can’t get Schwartz, I’d be extremely interested. I’d kick the tires on Pettine and Pagano, but promoting Undlin wouldn’t make me rage. He just doesnt have the proven results of Schwartz.
I’m actually so hooked on Schwartz’ effect on star DTs and agressive 43 defense that delivered several places, that I’d even consider him as HC, despite thinking he was awful in Detroit. Awful, like maybe the worst HC in the league.
I like Gase but it smells a little of the hype around Mike McCoy when he was a coaching candidate.
My list, in order of preference:
1. McDaniels
2. Shurmur
3. Gase
4. Jackson
I figure they need to keep Bradford and the first two have a relationship with him. If you don’t have a QB, then you have nothing. No coach, no matter how good unless your last name is Belichick (if I even spelled that correctly) can win without a QB.
Love McDaniels. Love that he failed already. Love his flexibility in game plans. Love that he has experience in tempo.
Shurmur has both as well. I think Tempo offenses are going to become more and more prevalent. And want coaches with that experience.
Not sure about Gase, the Bears regressed pretty significantly. Other than that he’s had talent to work with, and has never been a head coach.
No thanks McDaniels. He didn’t just fail, he failed really really badly. Being flexible with Brady, Gronk and Edelman etc. isn’t that hard.
Completely agree. McDaniels is on my “please god do not hire” list. Remember. He drafted Tim Tebow in the first round. Gross.
I found this pretty easily.
http://www.joshmcdanielssucks.com/timeline/
That’s great. Makes me scared to hire anyone considered young. Seems like older coaches gain respect of players more quickly than with younger ones.
I’m with you on this. I don’t understand the love for McDaniels from anybody accept BB. If people say “kick the tires” for this repeated failure – why not contact the Rams about Fisher? That guy never has a winning season. I mean, if we’re after failures — let’s kick all the tires. Maybe we should give Fisher a shot at finishing under .500 in Philly too?
If the plan is to sign Bradford, it would be best to keep Shurmur as OC, at the very least.
I want to draft a QB and develop him properly as the franchise QB… Something we have not done since McNabb.
I think, every NFL fan wants that…lol.
And very few other teams have had a lot of success with that either. So, it’s a crap shoot. Bradford showed he has the talent to run the offence. And I was not a Bradford guy.
Not really one that is coming out this year. Bradford gives us the bridge to the future. Franchise him and see what he has in whatever new system comes in with the new coach.
It’ll be the big decision. If that QB is RG3, Tim Couch, or Matt Leinart, it could set the franchise back quite a bit.
Tough to make that commitment with a veteran team.
So Marcus Smith played like 3x more in this game than any other. I just find that interesting.
Why do you find that interesting?
Interim coaches know their job is to play young guys who may be in future plans.
I guess I wish there was a larger sample size of games in which Chip was fired. I just can’t help but to think there was some kind of weird rift between them to where he almost refused to play him. I know it was only one game, and I know it was against the giants, but he looked good enough to me to wonder why he hadn’t had a bigger role. Seeing some of the things that have come out about Chip Kelly makes me think this had something to do with Roseman and who or who did not draft the kid. I could be looking too deep but I just find it interesting that he looked better than what we were all lead to believe by his lack of playing time.
Clearly somebody didn’t like him. Whether that was Chip/Davis/OLB coach who knows. He seemed to really sour on him after the stupid experiment with him at ILB. He can set the edge and he can cover, and he’s got some pass rush ability but he’s just seemed so overwhelmed when asked to diagnose anything. I’m sure he felt the coaching staff wasn’t big on him. Some guys need a boot up the ass some guys need a pat on the back. I’ve been wishing that they would have created some blitz packages and used him creatively, that’s how he thrived at Louisville. Hopefully this builds some confidence going into the offseason so he knows he can play at the NFL level.
I agree, not a wasted pick, but needs a clearly defined role on the defense rather than something fluid.
If the guy has talent, but also limitations, it’s a pretty big indictment of the coaching staff if they can’t scheme a way to take advantage of his talent while minimizing exposure of his limitations. Even if it was just as a third down pass rusher, the guy I saw yesterday looked like somebody who should’ve been on the field.
Chip told a lot of lies while he was the coach here, but “I adjust my system to the talent I have” is probably the biggest of all of them.
Im glad he played.. seems like his career was dead.. he played better than we all wudve thought .. who knew? Well only Chip did
wish we would have played QB3 then. Actually only losing 3 slots or whatever isn’t nearly as bad as it could have been.
Problem is Thad isn’t really in the long term plans either. Burton got some burn. Reynolds got alot of PT. Goode played. Watkins would have if he was healthy.
Yeah, and it turns out the dude needs to get on the field to show something, or “earn it”. That was a hell of a catch 22
Some people need to see the field for their true talent to come out. Jordan Hicks is a prime example of that.
Agreed. How many back up and 3rd string RB’s who would never have seen the field if not for an injury and just blow up offensive numbers?
It happens a lot more than people think.
They were trying to lose, so of course they should be giving him lots of PT!
It was apparent that for whatever reason, Chip didn’t like him. He did pretty well when given a chance – hopefully he’ll get more of a chance next year.
I have no real coaching favorite, simply because I’m not delusional enough to think ican have any clue abiout who is the best candidate for the job, when I only have a tiny Fraction of the info to go on…. But there are a lot of guys who I hope we talk to. From there I hope LURIE can Identify the best candidate, and that Howie can deliver the Top candidate…. gotta play the wait and see game and hope we get it right
I have no idea who either. I’m still sold on CK(lol). All I know is who exactly I do not want.
I was away for the holidays and missed all the Chip action. I would have likely signed Bradford to a reasonable deal, given Chip one more year to show real progress and replaced Davis as DC, but I trust Lurie and know that he would not pull the plug this quickly unless the feedback he was getting was seriously bad and he also saw the signs first hand Chip was not going to/could not adapt.
The danger here for Lurie is to over-react to the daring hire of Chip and go for too much of a players coach or a “safe” choice that will appease the fans and media. Lurie has been an out of the box thinker on HC with Reid & Kelly and he needs to retain that courage IMO. Just because Kelly did not fully work out; there were benefits to what Chip did and our team is far from being a empty shell. We do not need to start from scratch here; we have some very good talent, but we need to bring in much better talent evaluation and development expertise to take more steps forward and avoid sliding further back. The HC does not need to be the players’ friend; he needs to gain their respect and be able to maintain it like Reid did through thick & thin.
Roseman is not the answer IMO. He should continue managing the contracts/cap primarily and have input on FA, trades and draft decisions, but should not have final say. Neither should Donahoe (glad to hear that is a temporary move). We need a proven high level GM who works well with others, but reports only to Lurie, has final say and has the track record to keep folks in their lanes. The drama and sniping need to stop, the leaks need to end and people who continue need to be sent packing.
That should be Lurie’s first hire. Then Lurie, the GM and the other appropriate internal folks push forward on the HC search. The draft needs to be the primary focus for building the team. FA should be selectively used and our cap situation fixed so we can again have an advantage over the competition for talent when we want it. Harbaugh would be my first choice for HC, Payton second and Gase third. However, the coach has to be willing to work with the GM on every level and work hard on assembling the best staff possible. Talent development is a vital priority for the Eagles; we need to have the coaches who can get the most out of the talent and keep them performing at a high level.
Chip linked to SF. We may actually get to see Kap in Chips system. Albeit not in an Eagles uniform.
Then, he could have a great first half, of his first game.
Thank God!
The only thing I don’t want is a retread coach. But then again, a lot of coaches win a super bowl in their second gig, and really didn’t inspire in their first. Funny enough the only guy in the retread category who I look at and think they have a lot of untapped potential to make it to a SB…is Chip Kelly. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think he was going to get it done here. He lost that locker room, or a lot of it. But a clean slate somewhere else, I could see him killing it.
retreat = experience = maybe knows what the he!! he’s doing.
Still, not always obvious which guys are primed for a come back and which are just not cut out for the job. I’m sure Howie and co. will do research on what went wrong in their prior HC gigs, and talk to those coaches about that in interviews.
Or maybe – Poker is not his game?
anyone have a link to a clip or gif of MS2’s sack?
gross.
and it has to be a gif. i need to see the actually movement involved in his sack
It’s a speed rip
https://twitter.com/esekev8/status/683952683523289088
d3 for assistant quality control coordinator to the sports science consultant’s assistant!
FUCKKKKKK that noise. I’m not spending 100 hours a week in a closet breaking down film to determine who is dehydrated. I’ll take Northeast area scout though Mr. Lurie…
tell him that for $10k i will take the blame for literally every upcoming FO screwup
How would you rate MSII’s performance yesterday? Is there a glimmer of hope for the man?
He’s still a bit overwhelmed, but he’s got skills to stick in the league. Right now it’s all about finding confidence. Multiple times he did a good job setting the edge, had a few nice pressures on top of the sack. He was slow getting set a couple times and he seems to forget to move sometimes and just kind of lunges or he would have been in on a few more tackles.
There is an idea floating around that because Lurie and Roseman were heading the coaching search last year, that no one they choose this year could possibly be successful.
That is a ridiculous idea. That’s like saying that because someone missed on a draft pick, that they can never be trusted to hit on one again. Or that if someone missed a throw, that they’ll never make another throw. That if they threw snake eyes, they’ll never possibly throw 7.
some people don’t like the structure and the lack of a formal GM. I don’t think I’ve read anyone say that Lurie/Roseman can’t possibly pick any coach who could be successful.
Or it Babe Ruth struck out, he’d never get another hit.
A little word to the wise. How many people knew Andy Reid before he was hired?
Everybody who watched football?
Yeah, right. Who is the offence line coach of Tampa bay?
What does that have to do with anything? Back then, the hottest coach was Holgram. Everybody was trying to cherry pick his staff(like people do with BB). Back then, everybody knew AR.
No, everyone did not. He was a line coach, not the OC.
he was the QB coach
I have not idea who you’re referring to….again, if you didn’t know AR back then, it’s ok. It doesn’t mean everybody else didn’t know….
You said everyone that watches football knew him. He was the line coach, and QB coach. May we should interview the famous line coach,QB coach of the Pats. Everyone knows him.
again(and I don’t know why you’re struggling with this) — People have already – and continue too – poach BB staff(see JM for example). Its what teams do when franchises are successful. That is exactly the same thing that happened when AR was hired. Just like we’re familiar with the staff of NE today, we(well, most) were familiar with GB’s staff back then. You don’t poach off of failing franchises.
You seem to struggle with the comments of others. Not everyone knew of Andy Reid back then. You say everyone did. I have no idea how old you are , but there was no 24-7 NFL station, or google to look everything up in seconds. If you are about snarky remarks, you win.
I’m simply an nfl fan. A fan that pays attention all nfl teams and not just the Eagles. You implied nobody knew AR back then. That simply isn’t true. I think most fans of the NFL knew who AR was back then. I’m not a college fan so I have no idea when people post about mock drafts so I can’t supply an snarky remarks. 🙂
Now look up the QB coach of the Pats. So you know him from now on.
I already know the NE staff. Why do I need to look him up? I know the Cinci staff as well(I like what they do there). I follow KC and Seattle and Tenn if you must know. I do not follow Wash/Dallas – I hate them and do not like any success stories from any of those teams. Except Jeffcoat(player incase you didn’t know).
Everyone knows that. What, no Too Tall Jones?
Dude I’m m glad your plugged in to the world of the nfl and you frequent what I would call a very knowledgable comment section of a team with some pretty rabid fans. That is really cool. But. News flash 90% of the people who watch the nfl couldn’t name their own teams offensive coordinator. 50% probably couldn’t ne their head coach. If you had said ” anyone who pays attention” or anyone who follows football closely you would have a point. But everybody who watches football ? My sister in law watches football and knows maybe three players on the team because they have cute butts. Most people who watch football do not care about the minutiae.
Or do you think you would win the time travel bet of going back in time to 1998 and walking around Philadelphia asking anyone who says they watch football who Andy Reid is ?
why does anyone think Harbaugh is available? this is silly season.
If the Eagles aren’t going to blow it up and start over, then I want a strong defensive mind as the head coach while retaining Shurmer as OC and Bradford as QB. This team needs to return to a 4-3 defense and regain it’s dominance before we are ever going to truly become contenders again.
not a bad idea actually if shurmur would want to stay around.
no love for Greg Roman?
A lot of you mention keeping Shurmur for a better chance at Bradford wanting to stay here, but I would say that given the reputation Gase seems to have, I imagine that were he to become the head coach, staying here would be appealing to Bradford, even without Shurmur here.
Great info on Gase. Thanks, Tommy. I agree the guy must have some mojo if his bosses keep him on staff when they leave. Also, with his bio, I think he could be quickly embraced as a “Philly guy.”
1. John Gruden
2. Mike Shannanhan
3. I’m just saying well known names like the rest of you. Stop it.
Please add Jimmy Johnson to your list….TIA.
Dick Vermeil.
The third Ryan brother.
Why can’t we just bring Buddy back?
Jack or Nolan?
Head Coach AND DC!!!!
The coach from remember the titans? Rudy? how about the president from the first season of 24?
we may not know much about them, but fun to talk about. we know almost as little about them as we do of draft prospects but doesnt keep us from prognosticating.
This made me laugh.
Barry Sweitzer. He’s fiery!!
I like this game
Bill Cowher!
How about Tony Dungey or why not just hire Peyton Manning?
What, no love for Duce?
I think we’re a bit jaded on Duce because he’s ours, but if he becomes the coach, it’ll look to the outside world like Jim Tomsula did in SF.
what makes you think he is capable? It’s a huge jump.
I don’t. I agree, too big a leap. I was being a bit tounge-in-cheek. Duce, though, is one of my favorite players so I’m cheering for his career success. Also, it’s perhaps revealing that even though he was interviewed, it doesn’t seem like he really has a shot at the job. Was his interview just a perfunctory wasy to satisfy the Rooney Rule?
Probably partially. At the same time it was probably prudent to interview a guy plugged into the team. Duce seems like a straight shooter and he is an in house guy. Really no harm in interviewing him. Helps him out too. Gets him used to the process in a familiar setting. It’s a nice feather in his cap.
Peter King thinks Chip would fit well with the Giants… ugh.
it would be fun to watch him trade OBJ away
Great post!
Better yet, release him. Culture thing, ya know.
I think he’s going to have an even harder time getting players to buy in the second time around.
I would love Chip to go to the Giants. Two easy wins every year.
To be honest I don’t think Chip belongs in the NFL. Just listen to Lane Johnson practicing like that is crazy. This is the NFL not Oregon. Plus I think Chip is sorta T.O. nuts – like literally crazy in the head.
Eagles were 5 and 1 against the Gmen these last three years.
If Chip Kelly was coaching them the Eagles would have been 6-0.
Your crystal ball tell you that?
Dude Chip Kelly is a garbage coach. he sucks. I am sorry that hurts your feelings.
No kidding ‘dude’. I was just stating a fact.
that’s dumb, dumby
Ive been saying this since he was fired. I can see this happening
PFF is kind of a craps shoot but had Bradford ranked #12 overall for the year.
Football outsiders is not a crap shoot and has him 25 in both production and efficiency. QBR has him 33rd.
he’s opposite of foles, numbers pedestrian but passes the eye test
Foles had a knack of making everything look ugly as possible, even if he threw a perfect pass.
“Gase understands that football is more players than scheme.
Players seem to like Gase. He hasn’t had to lead a whole team yet, but has had good success with the units he’s run. Brandon Lloyd told a story years ago about screaming and cussing at Gase during a game when the coaches weren’t using him the way he wanted. Gase didn’t get confrontational. He kept things calm and defused the situation.”
So he’s the polar opposite of Chip Kelly. Players over scheme and Chip probably would have cut Lloyd before the game was over for being so confrontational.
pff
Best
Zach Ertz +5.1
Jason Kelce +4.6
Sam Bradford +4.6
Lane Johnson +3.3
Darren Sproles +1.7
Allen Barbre +1.6
Brent Celek +1.4
DeMarco Murray -2.4
Josh Huff -1.4
Riley Cooper -1.0
Brandon Graham +7.6
Fletcher Cox +4.1
Marcus Smith II +3.1
DeMeco Ryans -4.0
E.J. Biggers -3.9
Ed Reynolds -3.2
Denzel Rice -1.5
Najee Goode -1.4
Denzel Rice played?
They said his name on the broadcast and it caught my attention (I was multitasking at the time). Didn’t get a chance to figure out what was going on, though.
2 penalties
Probably the cleanest game they played all year.
I missed it live and watched the condensed replay so I don’t catch all the commentary.
feelings on the game?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
In all seriousness though, the tackling was shit.
Other than the long TD in which he had a hole big enough that my fat ass could run through and was so slow Lane Johnson kept up with him (seriously) Murray still sucks.
BG hit a filthy spin move, something to keep an eye on going forward.
The Matthews drop on the wheel route was brutal
Kiko while still not right showed some positive signs
All the ILBs just got caught up in the trash.
Demeco is done
Hart and Allen held up against the run well
Sam had another nice game
Matthews and Ertz are sex
The Ags catch and wiggle were exciting
Peters: Still darn good againt the run. Absolutely not a LT anymore.
What about MSII!!!!!??!?!?!
Talked about him elsewhere in the thread. Encouraging. Hopefully he builds on it going into next year
Saddest thing about Demeco is him noting on almost EVERY P/A pass. I get he’s not physically as capable but he also seems mentally shot. Time to move on
played enough to get destroyed by kiko
he looks a lot like EJ Biggers on the field
Was surprised to see him active over Watkins TBH
Watkins had some kind of calf injury
Thanks must have missed it maybe they saw enough from him this year and wanted a better look at Rice.
Remember how Reid always “Stashed” guys on IR
Marcus Smith with the positive grade. Wow. Great to see.
Let me go on the record here and offer my prediction (which we all know are usually true) and say that the Eagles next head coach will be former Eagles quarterback Doug Pederson.
There is some Merit to this. Familiarity is there obviously, but there is something else.
Generally speaking, Reid’s biggest strength as a coach was hiring great coaches, Reid’s coaching tree is very impressive. He seems to have a knack for picking up smart coaches, learning from them and teaching them. Seems like by the time Reid parts ways with his coaches, both come out better for it. Young coaches often have great ideas, but they don’t know how to run an organization. Luckly Reid is very good at that aspect of coaching, and generally has great relationships with the people he works with. Perderson just may be primed for a HC gig of his own.
Come on you can’t respond to the troll, let alone with nuance.
wait that was trolling? I been trolled, and I didn’t even get mad, sad.
that poster has a mancrush for Andy Reid
This is why I need to spend more time on IB. I’m losing the feel of the game!
I mean A good troll would say Juan Castillo as leading HC right. Everyone is talking about ties to Philly for Pederson and McDermott
exactly!
And if you look at the playoff schedule, its going to be Kansas City against Carolina in the Super Bowl. So yeah Peterson is definitely the next coach.
Memba all you said Chip was better than Reid.
Hue Jackson would be my choice, but I kind of forgot about Marrone:
https://twitter.com/CharleyCasserly/status/684038640381513728
I would think that support from Casserly would mean you’d want to take those guys off your list.
He led the hire for the Jets of Todd Bowles and that hire looks pretty good right now.
I’ve been favoring more of the candidates with a background in Offense for the past while..particularly Hue Jackson, Adam Gase, and Greg Roman. Sean Payton was my # 1 choice if he was available back when we had our last coaching search (chip was a close # 2).
But like somebody mentioned in an earlier thread — the majority of the past superbowl winning coaches have come from a defensive background..Bellichek, Carrol, Tomlin, Harbaugh.
Lately I’ve been really liking the idea of Teryl Austin as a head coach. He has extensive experience playing and coaching at the NFL and the college level..was the coach on the seahawks staff between 2003-2006 and they went to the superbowl in 2005. Then he went to coach the Db’s in Arizona from 2007-2009 that team also went to the superbowl during his time there in 2008. After that he went to the Baltimore Ravens from 2011-2013 where he was once again the DB coach on a superbowl bound squad that finally won in 2012. All of the Defenses he was a part of seemed to improve including the injury ravaged Lions team that he was most recently a part of.
Reports are that he’s a great natural born leader who connects with his players and favours running an aggressive 4-3 under front that we all seem to love around here.
I would love A combo of Teryl Austin as head coach…retaining Pat shurmer as Offensive coordinator (keeping continuity with Bradford and chips philosophies) and Jim Shwartz as D-coordinator
is jimmy purely a wide 9 guy or does he run other schemes?
Don’t remember him running a wide 9 in Buffalo when he was there..He was running a hybrid 4-3 under front. And had the D performing a hell of a lot better than they have under Rex
Yep, he would often love up one of his des in a wide 9 stance but that is 100% normal for any 43
oh boy just realized that his Dline coach in Detroit is *gulp* Jim Washburn..but he was originally a Schwartz hire. So there’s that. hopefully neither one of them would want to bring him to their next stop. Schwartz hired pepper Johnson to coach the Dline in Buffalo
There was another ‘failure’ head coach, from Cleveland, that got a new job. I think his name is Bill Belichick. So, failing in Cleveland is nothing new.
Doesn’t mean I’m trying to hire:
Chris Palmer
Butch Davis
Crennel
Mangini
Chud
or Pettine
No. It doesn’t
drafting Manziel didn’t work out too well for the latest casualty
That’s a fact .
Its practically a tradition to fail in cleveland
During the past three years under Chip, the media has made it very clear what they are looking for in new coach:
1.) The head coach must be nice. He must never be snarky, sarcastic, or smug.
2.) The head coach must make himself available to the media for individual interviews at least monthly.
3.) The head coach must be willing to throw the general manager, assistant coaches, and/or individual players under the bus after each loss. The head coach must be willing to provide detailed accounts of how others have screwed up.
4.) The head coach must admit specific instances where he personally screwed up and provide a detailed description on how he will fix those mistakes.
5.) The head coach must read all the media articles, blogs, and twitter posts regarding the team, coaches and players. The head coach must understand that the media is much more knowledgeable than him in all things related to the Eagles. The head coach must make himself available weekly to get input from the media on how to run the team, what plays to run, schemes, etc.
6.) The head coach must provide full detailed doctor reports on every injury suffered by all players immediately as he receives the information from the doctors.
Did I miss anything?
Edit: spelling
head coach must allow sports talk radio morning men to call all of the plays
ITS NOT FAIR THAT CHIP DOESNT HAVE MORE AVAILABILITY!!!!
I’M NOT WHINING BECAUSE I’M INCAPABLE OF DOING MY JOB WITHOUT BULLSHIT QUOTES, ITS BECAUSE THE FANS DESERVE FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO THE HEAD COACH ON A TUESDAY IN MID MARCH!!!!
Are you shouting to give the Stephen A Smith effect?
not even one veiled accusation that Chip is racist, so probly not.
YOURE ONLY QUESTIONING MY YELLING BECAUSE I’M WHITE! I’LL GET THE LAST LAUGH WHEN ESPN PAYS ME TO DO A SPORTS VERSION OF STEPHEN COLBERT FOR A BAZILLION DOLLARS WHILE FIRING EVERYONE WITH A SEMBELANCE OF JOURNALISTIC CREDIBILITY!!!!
always available for holiday parties?
RE: Adam Gase works well with P. Manning, Tebow, B. Marshall… He’s proven that he can get results from all different kinds of players on the “cray cray” meter, but can he work with normal people?
I think the bigger issue is can he “manage the whole team”? He needs to set up the practice schedule, training camp, meetings, manage coaches, work with the GM, etc… I can only imagine as a first time head coach this is very hard to do. Remember when Andy got hired there were reports that he showed up to his interview with Lurie and Banner with a huge binder outlining everything he would do from practices, to weight training. Being an organized person with a plan is definitely key. It’s probably what really sold Howie and Lurie on Chip three years ago.
thats why it must be tough for Shurmer, gotta get that binder ready asap, not much time there eh. Of course you’d expect he already has most of it ready to go but still. Agree also, always hot coordinators becoming head coaches every year. The interview process must hold a lot of weight esp when Tomsula did a better job than you first time around.
if you’re goig w/ shurmur you’re just tweaking, also allows howie, etc. to have lots of power will probably pick a dc.
I dont want Shurmur
i can’t tell how i feel. can shurmur continue to grow offensively? does he get a good dc. can he get good assistants, etc.
I would imagine that since Gase has made this his career choice as a non-football player that he’s read those stories and put time and thought into how he would handle jobs bigger than the one he currently holds. Granted, that may not be the case… but he sounds very driven and therefore increases the likelihood that he has done something like that.
no love from Vegas on the home teams this weekend
Pitt -2.5 at Bengals
KC -3 at Houston
Seattle -4.5 at Minn
GB pick em at Washington
who do you like? I’d go with (in this order of comfort): Seattle, Pitt (if Dalton doesn’t play, will know more later today), KC (a little worried on this one) and GB (worried here too but the winner of NFCE can’t really beat even a poorly playing GB team can they?).
agree. Vikings are actually really good. Played AZ really close.
KC better smoke the Texans, this is the best matchup they could ask for. Lets see if AR gets his playoff mojo back.
does billy b take mccaffrey #1 in the draft?
Am I missing something? McCaffrey isn’t draft eligible is he? He’s listed as sophomore (not redshirt) and he’s 19
i assumed he was red shirt.
Uh, if he never played college football, that means he isn’t a Football Guy (TM)!
Howie’s kind of guy!
might actually help. Doubt Gase has preconceived idea’s about what a ‘football guy’ is and should be. Will look and evaluate Howie on what he does and doesn’t do.
It’s kind of funny. I looked at all the gm’s and the NFC (because I lost interest at the halfway point), there were like 3 guys who actually played nfl football. Most of the rest played some kind of football in college, but they were by no means significant players or necessarily from significant programs. Common thread is they worked their way up as scouts. Is that how Howie is different from them? Howie entered the league as a player personnel intern with the Jets in 1999. And has been in NFL front offices ever since.
So I guess people don’t see him as a football guy because he didn’t come up as a scout?
They don’t see him as a football guy most-likely because he is a lawyer who was originally hired to help with the salary cap when he was 25.
that was as an intern in 2000, been working at various admin levels with some significant football figures for the 16 years that followed, including the scouting department and personnel. That’s pretty “football”. Are they put off that he knows his way around a salary cap? Please tell me this doesn’t boil down to nerds vs jocks.
It doesn’t. It’s football nerds vs football jocks.
lol, that’s exactly what I was thinking. I guess we learned from Chip, even the most staunch growth mindset individuals can be closed-minded.
At the very least he seemed closed minded about his growth mindset. #irony
He’s a lawyer and so…http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130405/images/05holly7.jpg
Payton, Gase, or Jackson.
Payton, Gase, or Jackson.
Payton, Gase, or Jackson.
Downside of so many teams firing HC this year is that there will be increased competition to get the one Lurie/Roseman wants. Upside is that a lot of coaches are now disenfranchised and it may be the right time to put together a coaching team from around the NFL. Lots of families will be packing bags.
On my list of qualities to look for: A HC who has contact and connections with high quality potential candidates for OC/DC and position coaching spots (like Andy had when he came to Philly).
seems like more coaches will be keeping their jobs than previously thought.
Lions, SD, Ten may be safe per peter king
Tennessee doesn’t want to reunite Chip with Mariota?
Not one voice clamoring for URLACHERZZZZ!!!!
Payton is rumored to have substance abuse issues. I’m sure it’s more common than people think in coaching, but that worries the shit out of me. Source: I work with addicts.
Hue Jackson came across on Hard Knocks as petty and a poor leader. While that skewed perspective is the only impression of him that I have, it doesn’t give me the warm and fuzzies to know that dude would be our coach.
Not gonna Google,but isn’t Payton known to be in recovery? Thought he was for painkillers…
that crazy ex player said he liked Molly and had a side piece. Source of course is pretty bad there, Jr Gallete. I recall the pain killer thing also somewhere along the line.
wow that’s crazy. guy is a party
Sounds like he’ll be a cowboy then if they ever get rid of the puppet husk they have at HC now
I would imagine Shurmur’s chance of getting the HC job falls on what kind of feedback the defensive guys give Lurie about him. All the media quotes I read from offensive guys were positive (Bradford, Ertz, Mathews, Lane, and Peters).
I think if he has a DC coordinator on-board that Lurie and Howie like, he could really be the choice. The media would hate it because he is boring, but I could care less. He definitely brought the best out of Sam yesterday. I also don’t see him getting into many pissing matches with Howie for control.
Funny thing is, all I really want are two things to happen: 1.) Sign Bradford to a long-term extension 2.) Switch back to a 4-3 defense.
Titans did not renew contract of their GM Ruston Webster. They’re interviewing Mularkey for the full-time job. More competition.
when MS2 got that sack I was ecstatic!
oh, I mean surprised!
excellent content
Shurmur would have a better chance of getting the job if we had lost this weekend.
Is Curry the only guy you talk to without a coach in place?
(image included)
Hoping they keep Thurmond
yeah man…thurmond and Curry for sure. Nolan Carroll, and thornton to a lesser extent
Thurmond, Carroll, and Curry for me. Thornton only fits certain fronts, doesn’t he?
yeah he can go, Bair, Hart can be replaced i think they’re more 34 guys.
Thornton started his career here at DT.
he wasn’t impressive until he went to 34 DE though, right?
He also started out as an UDFA if I remember correctly. My guess is that he would have improved in either role, but would be more of a run stopper at DT than up-field attacker.
that would be a very limited role, i would think. he’d basically be spelling Bennie in a 4-3.
I think Bradford is the only player i DON’T talk to until we get a coach in place. The coach-QB combo is probably the most important in football, so Id probably let the new guy decide. We should have coach and GM in place long before free agency anyhow.
Agreed on Sam. Some of the others are replacement-level, though. No hurry to get them under contract.
That said, I hope the coach wants to retain Sam.
And hope that Bradford wants to come back.
Though, even if he does, I still look to draft a guy.
How does Jason Garrett stay employed?
Oh, I forgot… Jerruh Jones.
pretty soon he’ll have Johnny Manziel on board to help kill his career.
i would love to see johnny football in dallas.
I’m not a religious man but I’m PRAYING for that scenario. Then Jerruh will pass on a QB of the future in the draft. Not that any of the QBs coming out are great, but we know Manziel is a hot mess.
Out of curiosity, how come everyone wants to go back to a 4-3 defense?
assuming that most ppl think our best players would fit better into a 4-3. Not sure if Barwin would or not but certainly Cox, Curry, maybe kendricks as WLB.
Barwin would be a good SAM.
with excellent blitz potential
Maximize the potential of our best defensive players? Sign me up. Give Cox and Logan the ability to destroy almost any G C G combo. Give Curry and Graham back the ability to focus on sealing run plays/get the QB. Hicks runs the D from MLB. Barwin matches up pretty well at SAM. Kiko/Kendricks battle for Weakside and play better with less responsibility.
If Kendricks cant figure out how to cover and wrap up again, someone else will have to play there.
your face looks like chip kelly
We have players on the DL more suited for an attacking 43 Defense
Easier to find players for 4-3 specifically OLB.
This…. esp since most edge rushers are 43 Ends in college
Not saying that players couldnt transition. It just takes longer, you know? More time to develop = more production lost.
I got exactly what you’re saying and I agree. Its hard project how a lot of college pass rushers will transition into 3-4 OLBs at the next level
MSII looked like an NFL player playing with his hand in the ground yesterday
He looked pretty damn promising and that was exciting even if it was against Flowers.
You have a chip kelly face
We never found a good strong side backer after Emmons. Gocong was ok but man that was a tough role to fill. At least for the JJ scheme.
+5! keep hearing that it’s easy but that SAM position was never ever filled adequately
Your face is Chip Kelly.
it’s better then our 45 point defense we have.
Davis specializes in the 4-5.
IF we don’t resign Bradford we are going to be stuck in QB purgatory for another 5 years again.
he was really coming on and can get better too.
no other options.
if he does end up being back and playing well, Chip will have really hooked us up with that trade.
I’d sign the shit out of him and snag another qb in first 4 rounds, then let them battle to the death.
Or the ACL tear, whichever comes first.
heyooo! nice
Id bet on the OL getting the QB killed. They do it every year
Chip Kelly is your avatar. I feel sorry for you.
Sam is QB purgatory though do you trust him to win a big game?
Yes. Its the OL and WR I don’t trust
yeah I do but you never know until we get into a big game.
and tell me about our defense in said big game? do they still suck?
Hard to say either way. I think signing Sam long term is a bad idea right now though.
Sure, if his receivers can hold onto the ball.
Sam is a guy that will make 90% of plays that are there. I’d say he would have beneefited tremendously from a “playmaker”. That says if they put in the offseason work i think ertz / matthews / ags / Sanu could be nice trio.
Not even Rodgers makes the play 90% of the time.
And Rodgers sucks worse than Bradford!
Beggars can’t be choosers. Who’s the big game winner you expect to fall out of the sky?
No we won’t if we dont sign bradford and start Sanchez we will have the first pick in 2017.
That’s just not going to happen on purpose.
scram!
looking at some boards, there’s a hell of a lot of OT projected in the first round, but the top two should be gone before we get our chance. it looks like we could trade way down and still get a good tackle. i’d vote for either that or stay put for defensive BPA.
I saw a mock with us taking an edge rusher. If the 2 OTs are gone we should take the best impact player at 13 or trade back
Who needs an edge rusher when you have MSII?
That sack — and Barwin’s later one too — came when they lined up in the 9 technique.
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You just can’t use the 9 technique every down.
Just like Kelly proved you can’t use tempo all day every day, 7 days a week.
We don’t need a high round pick edge rusher, but we may go for depth if we switch back to a 4-3. And I wouldn’t be surprised if MS2 put on some weight and plays well at DE.
I wasn’t actually serious.
Your points are well take, though.
The Eagles need depth at DE . . . fastballs, as AR used to say.
If Roseman sees several players on the board and a chance to move down to accumulate more picks . . . and use those to get back into Rd 2 . . . he’ll do it.
Very glad to have Roseman back playing musical draft-picks.
i was thinking if we can drop down to about 20-23 we can completely make up for the bradford pick and still come out with an OT/ DE (just not the top ones but we can’t get them anyway)
I think that’s a solid game plan.
Short of a someone the Birds project as a clear Top 10 on their board falling to them at 13 . . . or something like that.
goff or bosa or one of the OTs
that’d be sweet.
Saints look like a team wanting to deal Payton for draft ammo to move up for a QB — allowing them to cut Brees and solve their cap problems.
Wonder who goes there if Payton is out. I guess they need to get their ownership issues sorted otherwise that would be an attractive job.
Without Brees, the job gets a lot harder.
Compounded by the lack of defensive playmakers.
Major rebuild . . . from 1500 miles away, at least.
man i hope we’re smarter than that
I hope of a 2012 draft where a top 10 talent fell to us
I think they need to cut Brees, don’t even re-negotiate. That team has a lot of holes and a 38 year old Brees isn’t taking them to the promised land, they would be fortunate to win 8 games next year.
Brees’s agent?
Tom Condon.
Brees has refused to re-do his deal to help the Saints on the cap.
For two reasons, I think.
First, Brees was an NFLPA executive committee member though most of 2014. And he remains a big union guy.
Second, Condon’s not a guy who’s inclined to renegotiate.
Good to know, thanks!
If you’re an owner, who do you hate/respect more Condon or Rosenhaus?
Hate rosenhaus, respect condon
Condon and Steve Boros are the best in their sports (IMHO).
These guys play hardball at 100 mph. All the time.
I don’t think they’re BS artists. And they don’t preen for the camera (a Rosenhaus trademark).
Have to respect them. Lots of healthy respect. Or they’ll clean you out.
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I don’t recall seeing Condon on draft day when one of his top-pick QBs is put on camera by ESPN. (I suspect it’s happened, but can’t recall any instances.)
Not so with Rosenhaus. The man’s a camera hog.
Noted.
Ironic — and this is real irony — because Payton has had a huge hand in putting together the Saints roster (which required Loomis to write the contracts).
And now Payton may be stuck in NOLA because of his own personnel miscalculations.
This is what I don’t get about Payton, great offensive mind, but horrible evaluator of defensive coordinators and not good with the big picture when defining the roster. Not sure what his involvement was with some of the big contracts they gave out.
Which is kind of irksome. After this past decade or so, recurring issues have become a huge pet peeve of mine. Like us having absolutely no clue how to acquire or coach a secondary. Multiplying that by the whole defense, oh man. I’d live with it, if we hired Payton I’d be on board but oh man…
yeah I’d rather go with one of these new guys than Payton.
Seems like book we’ve already read……
Coughlin is out. Probably the number 1 destination for a coach now.
Did PR say anything about his staff (macadoo?)
They have not been fired at the moment.
Why would the Giants be the #1 coaching destination? Is Beckham that big of a selling point that you ignore the terrible offense line, complete lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball, and lack of a consistent running game?
Best and most stable ownership, best qb, best wr.
Best QB?! Lol
Out of all the coachless teams…. Tannehill, Mariota, Manziel, Bradford (FA), Gabbert…
I think Titans would be my choice. Got your QB and another 1st round pick, trade that thing for a haul to build your team over the next 2 years. But then I don’t know about the ownership.
Think they need to take OL w that pick, i think they were on their third string QB by the end of it.
If by the time the draft comes along, if the QB market is hot enough, if they get a Cleveland-Washington type deal, The Titans need to take it. They can load up a bunch of premier talent.
true
theres an Eli joke in here somewhere. The new coach takes the good Eli with the bad Eli remember
I’d take a young Mariota over Sheli Manning every day of the week.
Very patient, stable organization.
Owners let the coach do his job.
Big Market, Stable FO. This year’s jobs arent that great. Lots of coaches getting another year – maybe b/c after Gase the prospective HCs aren’t great.
my guess is they just promote mcadoo
I also share that guess.
the giants suck
Because they have 3 good players right? They are sol talented they just aren’t meeting the potential…
I honestly don’t get why everyone think NYG are so desirable. I understand interest but can’t say they are tops at all
Strong ownership who is patient
I would be worried more if NYG had a defense or any defensive prospects. They don’t even have half a Cox
Initial word out of New York is the Giants are making a coaching change. More competition.
There was word that they brought in McAdoo for this moment.
We’ll see if that plays out.
Don’t want him but fyi
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo 5m5 minutes ago
Source tells @FS1 Tom Coughlin is not retiring. If the right opportunity presents itself, he will coach again.
Shumur himself may not be compelling, but if his selection led to a retention of most of the coaches, some continuity in scheme, minimum roster turnover, and a head start on next season, then it could be hard to beat with any other new coach. Promote Staley to OC and replace Davis with a veteran DC with a good track record. Period! This could probably be done before the end of the week,wouldn’t conflict or complicate front office staffing, and shouldn’t lead to the inevitable clash of egos as multiple new alpha dogs try to stake out their territory. Remember the “kiss” principle – keep it simple, stupid.
Good point; However, while he seems plenty smart and thoughtful, I don’t know if he has what it takes as a leader. I’d be all for him sticking around as OC.
didn’t we all complain about how Duce gave out carries the past few years? How did he all of sudden become HC and OC candidate?
because then youre also turning over mediocrity for more potential mediocrity. Sometimes a house cleaning isnt a bad thing
Morale doesn’t improve with more beatings? Now I really feel lost.
Apparently Kaep is seeing a doctor about the rod inserted into his left leg after college, his left shoulder, his right thumb, and his left knee. That is quite a list.
no wonder he’s so durable.
We can rebuild him… but we don’t want to spend a lot of money.
Looks like they used Chips left over practice gadgits.
Based on the photo they used i’m guessing this is a courtesy interview.
If I were a hot head coaching candidate, I would be taking a seriously look at the Titans job. I know I know its the Titans but you already have your franchise QB and first pick in the draft plus lots of cap room ($20 million). If I were Payton I would love to go to the Titans.
What happens if/when Mariota gets hurt or even maybe doesn’t fulfill his potential? Would you trust the ownership/gm to give you time to work things out?
I do not think that is what anyone would think about, you go forward with him as your guy and build around him. He looked like a stud when he was upright. Go get him a stable offensive line and I think they are sitting pretty in the AFC South.
And that’s the other attractive element of the job a fairly weak division. Then again… maybe that’s an attractive part of the job opening in Philly.
Be revered as a god if you win a Super Bowl here or get booed every week by idiots. There is barely any middle ground in Philly if you don’t have thick skin.
turned on chip fast
0-1 in the playoffs.
Took big gambles and lost
Ego was too big and didn’t have the results to back it up
Yea that’s a pretty good recipe of making fans turn on you.
whoever comes will have to be adept at hadling the media
I don’t know if we’ve ever had a coach who could really harness the booing of the philly fans. Heading to the locker room before half time the coach says to the sideline reporter, “I’d like to thank the fans for booing Cooper’s drop, he needs to get his act together.” “I feel like the fans haven’t been booing enough today in general, hopefully with a few more beers their throats will be in shape to boo the shit out of this team if we can’t play better in the 2nd half.”
Buddy came closest
Any QB can get hurt/not fulfill their potential… You can say that about any destination
Exactly!
Bradford for example.
True, but if I were a prospective coach…the ownership group/gm would be my priority, followed closely by the qb and draft situation.
so Lurie who kind of quickly fired Chip and Howie (not the GM, but maybe is the GM) is enough to sway you from the Titans?
Maybe not…but that’s why I said that NY is the most desirable coaching job open right now. I’d have to put Philly #2 with the Titans and Dolphins 2a.
I thought we were comparing Eagles and Titans. I didn’t realize you had multiple offers. I agree Giants, b/c they are patient.
me too. QB is 90% of the battle. I think they have the #1 pick too. In each round no less.
How much $ will Titans spend?
Good Question
One thing they do have is $$$$$$$$
But organization is so high on Duce
There was also some reported interest in doug marrone.
no thanks
As a fan I would really like to sit in one of these interviews. Talking about their experience, how they see the Eagles, how they would try to build a contender. I mean not even saying anything just listening. That would be an awesome fan experience.
Even more so than the draft, b/c I don’t know anyone in the draft esp after first round.
Now that’s great NFL-TV viewing . . . .
I also wouldn’t mind seeing a bootleg video showing Uber-Agent for Coaches, Bob LaMonte, doing a practice interview with his clients.
Q: what did you think of the Eagles this year?
A: they sucked
ok Adam try again, this time focus on a positive or two, and then talk about the challenges…..
That’s precious!
Total MSU grad-speak
i’d get in trouble. “wtf do you mean the Tackles held up well down the stretch?!”
Thoughts on Doug Marrone, and GO!
Here’s a link to T-Law’s take on Marrone on January 5, 2013.
http://igglesblitz.com/2013/01/my-coaching-list/
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Excerpts from T-Law’s great 1/2013 post:
Doug Marrone is a coach [then HC at Syracuse] that has grown on me the more that I’ve studied him. That’s always a great sign. . . .
Marrone gets a check in basically every box: small college coaching experience, major college coaching experience. NFL assistant, NFL coordinator, head coach in college, can lead a team, can build a program, experience with a great NFL QB, developed a college QB, and so on. He literally has done it all.
The downside to Marrone is that you don’t know if there is anything great about him. . . .
Marrone knows offense. He’s a former O-lineman. He values the line of scrimmage and the run game. . . .
I wonder if he would hire Jim Schwartz as DC again
I dunno..he quit. There are only 32 head coaching jobs and he quit one of them. What kind of message does that send to players?
That the Bills ownership is nuts?
And he still collected his salary this year. How is that being a leader? Might be a great coach but that’s hard for me to respect!
100% of all CEOs in normal businesses can do the same.
we hate them all too!!
How is that relevant? CEOs are in charge of maximizing the value of an entity, not being a leader of a team.
Isnt maximizing the value of a roster also what HCs do?
I’m not sure I get your point. How is quitting maximizing the roster?
My point is CEO’s quit or leave all the time if they do not agree with ownership/board.
You’re comparing a job position where there are currently thousands of positions in the US alone to an NFL head coaching job where there are only 32 positions in the entire world? Apple to oranges. Also, CEO’s don’t to take a middle management job at another company when no other company would hire them as a CEO after they quit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ
hey ACV did you read anything about the Titans suing the NFL for its ownership structure. The article I read gave no specifics. Sounds like the Titans ownership group wants to restructure (?? move interests among current owners? make an S election? who knows) and the NFL said no.
well if sports are entertainment having a coaching change gives me a lot more entertainment. Just like 3 years ago I am soaking up way more than needed.
Yup. Can’t stay off of this blog or twitter for more than 2 seconds.
I’m a little concerned Gase is only 37.
I am too. Not exactly the father figure type to grown men in the NFL.
JP wants that. The team? Not so sure about all of them but Gase is still old enough you can relate to.
yep I meant more that a certain amount of life experience is helpful.
And ability to break down tape of Charlie Chaplin films and regale the youngins with tales of buying bread for a nickle.
All of these guys spend 150 hours a week in a closet analysing the Packer Sweep, not sure if any NFL coach has much I’m the way if life experience.
you are exposed to different personalities, work as a team with other coaches, see various amounts of challenges (injuries; bad losses; no QB that is any good), learn what you are good and bad at (self-awareness), develop your own methods. You can all disagree on the importance vis a vis other traits, to me it’s a negative that he’s that young. Not a deciding factor.
It comes down to respect, regardless of age. Does Gase have “it”. Can he walk into an NFL locker room and have a presence?
Gase is a players coach. He can start earning respect by winning and not being Chip Kelly.
Maybe the first day on the job, he goes to town on the smoothie machine with a sledge hammer..
One thing I do hope they keep is the sports science. Keeping the guys on a good diet is great for everyone. Chip might have taken it a bit too far.
The main thing with Gase is that he’s a self-made man. Starting from the bottom and getting to the top is damn respectable.
I say have the kicker attack it with an axe. Worked out well in Jacksonville for Del Rio.
he could totally be a brother figure to Dorenbos and Donnie Jones
For most of the players, he is probably closer to their father’s age than he is to theirs.
he’ll age
Think how long the dynasty could last!
right. I was home in PA recently watching news with my dad and I’m like wait, is that Jim Gardner? Still!?!? I googled him he’s been anchor for something like 30 years. that’s a dynasty.
So it seems Lurie values ability to communicate and co-operate highly in this coaching search, Teryl Austin should have a leg up in this considering he’s had Jim Washburn on his defensive staff the past few years
Giants are interested in Chip?…..idk if i seriously believe that
Lol, that would be funny…him and Eli.
‘Hey Odell…if you spin the ball I will cut you”
ODB was a guy Kelly said he loved pre-draft last year
So was Jmatt
ok?
You missed the story about Kelly almost benching Jmatt because he spinned the ball instead of just handing it to the refs?
oh, I did, jeez
no i saw it, and think if Jmatt continued to do it Chip should have…..players might have started to respect him more if he wasn’t so liberal with letting guys get away with stuff
this wasn’t after he scored, the point was if you do that we can’t run up tempo as effectively. I don’t see the problem here.
There was at least 3-4 things more important to why we couldnt run tempo than Jmatt spinning the ball
you forgot the zero’s after those numbers. Of course, I just don’t get why this is a story.
More making fun of how Kelly would handle OBJ when he clearly had problems with Jackson, McCoy and even Jmatt.
yep what do I do now, root against Kelly and hope these are systematic issues so I don’t feel really bad if he is successful, but that would make me small.
You can address multiple problems at one time. You’re just pretending that this is the only thing Chip had tried to correct in that moment.
he said he was the best player of the draft actually
i thought so, but wasn’t sure he actually said that
In that instance he’d have to say, I will literally cut you. and then show odell a knife.
damn Didn’t know Chip was also Huggy Bear
you like this!?:
Bradford set #Eagles records in both completions (346) and completion percentage (65%). 4th most single-season passing yards (3,725).
Bradford’s 1,061 yards over his last 3 games is 2nd highest 3 game passing yardage total in Eagles history (McNabb 1st at 1,076 in 2005).
Eagles QBs with five 300-yard games (team record) in a single season:
Sonny Jurgensen (1961), Donovan McNabb (2004), Sam Bradford (2015).
Bradford’s 78.9% completion against NYG was the highest ever by an Eagles player with more than 30 attempts.
I’d like it more if he were signed for next year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsB7UQ8BlE0
Barnwell put up a funny stat split for Cousins centered around that:
Before YLT : 61.6 Cmp%– 7 Y/att–24 TD–27 int– 77.5 passer–45.6QBR
After YLT: 72.4 cmp%–8.7 Y/att–23 TD–3 int–119.1 passer–79.8 QBR
Basically he was on the Brian Hoyer train to Cleveland, then “YLT!?”, now he’s going to get paid.
think a cousins deal sets the floor or the ceiling for bradford’s deal? Another funny thing is that shanny wanted cousins the whole time, how things could have been different.
that’s true. RGIII set that franchise back in so many ways. And they have Snyder to thank for that.
exactly, Cousins was Shanny’s guy. He did bungle the RG3 situation with him getting injured and all, but RG3 was forced onto him by Snyder. Shanahan became public enemy No. 1 on ESPN because they wanted to see RG3 succeed so badly, ignoring the fact that Griffin had a bad attitude and wasn’t liked much by his teammates. i think when McCloughlan got hired, Snyder gave up some power or influence and let him do things. Didn’t seem there was as much pressure on the coaching staff to keep RG3 as starter.
I don’t think Shanny is a great coach, but i do feel he was unfairly vilified in D.C.
they got rgiii hurt in pre-season adn the rest was history
Culture barrier?
Cousins sets the ceiling for Bradford.
Cousins won games, Bradford didnt and while I do not think QBWinz is a thing, agents and GMs do
Im glad he’s going to get Paid. he doesnt scare me one bit seems like a nice guy and u know its washington after all.
A term that comes to mind- Regression to the mean. Cousins reminds me a lot of Foles good year
100% agree on the Foles comparison
last 3 games and vs NYG, cherry pickin. Did he run more plays with Chips offense? Hes awesome in games that dont count, lets not fluff it too much
can’t accuse someone of cherry picking and then say the stats they cited are in games that “don’t count”
I just did
that’s called cherry picking
nah, ones actually cherry picking, the other is just a subjective opinion of a QB
nah, dismissing statistical analysis after choosing which games you think apply and which don’t is the very definition of cherry picking.
okay how bout I just dismiss his cherry picked stats by themselves without mentioning my views on SB, its still cherry picking the stats as they stand alone
Only the second was really close to cherry picking, and even then, not really, because it’s talking about a 3 game span compared against other 3 game spans. But I’ll agree it’s not a particularly telling statistic.
The others, however, are interesting. They’re over the span of a season or single game records, which have validity. Setting a record in completion percentage, for example, is something worth noting. Especially when it’s from the same year as record highs in completions (by way of comparison, I believe Sanchez had a record completion percentage last year but that’s only based on a partial year; he had no where near the same number of completions to use as a sample set).
I’m sure you can find other statistics about Bradford’s year that show him in a negative light, but bringing up his impressive stats is certainly not cherry picking. Completion percentage record, tying the record for most 300 yard games in a season, and game high completion percentage, these are all team records worth mentioning. Even allowing for the large number of plays that are run under Chip’s system, the percentage records are still impressive.
I think you might have a confused notion as to what constitutes “cherry picking”.
there was one single game that did not count. just one
a couple of these are about the whole season
Re: Adam Gase’s Agent
On January 3, 2015, just before interviews began, Gase dropped uber-agent Bob LaMonte — who reps Roseman, Shurmur, Pederson, McDermott, McAdoo, and Andy Reid, among many.
Gase moved to Jimmy Sexton — who reps Rex Ryan, Doug Marrone, Jim Schwartz, and . . . among SEC coaches, Nick Saban, Kirby Smart, Hugh Freeze, Gus Malzahn, Will Muschamp — plus Jimbo Fisher and Jim Mora. (Plus a bunch of players including Nd- Suh, Julio Jones, Phillip Rivers.)
Sexton is a UTenn grad. He represented Reggie White way back when. And is well acquainted with Browns owner and UTenn grad Jimmy Haslam.
Interesting move by Gase going to an agent not so tied to other NFL coaching assistants.
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Sexton and Tom Condon — Bradford’s agent — used to be partners at CAA. Condon left there in mid-2015 (taking lots of the highest paid QBs with him, including SB).
There is the LaMonte connection 😛
Or defense former HCs that are currently out of work.
Per Mortensen, Eagles will interview Marrone and also Teryl austin, the Lions DC.
No problem with neither of them
why do you like Marrone? .500 record at Syracuse, I don’t get what’s his claim to fame?
Look at their win record over the years:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/syracuse/
Going 25/25 is a well done
well done or deserves an NFL HC job well done?
And people thought Chip was hard to get along with.
Thurmond doesn’t think he’ll be back fwiw. Sounds like he expects to get paid and doesn’t think we have the space to do it unless we open up space. What’s his market value 3-4 million/ a year , 5 million guaranteed?. He’s 28.
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/walter-thurmond-wants-return-eagles-free-agency-unlikely
as a safety or a slot cb?
“You can go draft a safety for a lot cheaper than it would be to retain me. It’s just economical. It’s business. I understand that.”
well good for him i supposed. would have liked him w/ jenkins for another year, but who knows new guy may want a box safety
kind of wack. i get that it’s about money but it’s not like the dude was a respected safety until Philly
Nate Allen has never been respected, and he got paid to leave Philly.
People get overpaid in Oakland because the Raiders generally need to fluff things up to hit the salary floor. They cleared out all of their lead balloon contracts a few years ago, and now have to overpay whatever street FA is willing to go to Oakland to fill back up. I’d imagine most of those contracts are easily cuttable if they ever became an attractive FA destination.
It was part joke, and part statement about Safety play in general in this league. Eric Berry will get paid. Eric Weddle may in fact also get paid (despite being 30). On their heels or perhaps in front of Weddle you have Thurmond. That’s about it… he’s gonna get a nice contract (wherever he plays).
I think they’re becoming more attractive LA is a lovely place to live.
If we switch to a 4-3 under, the strong safety is basically down in the box like another linebacker. I don’t know that Jenkins is big enough to hold up in that role. Thurmond would make a great free safety in that defense I think.
Jenkins played a ton in the box for us last year. Difference is just how hard he hits compared to Kam or a Buchanon
and surety of tackle
Def need players that are more willing to tackle.
Maybe Jenkins would have to play the FS role and we draft a Jeremy Cash, Darian thompson, or Jayron Kearse to battle with Couplin for the Strong safety role
he had a decent year, may try to cash in on a team desperate for safety help, could be his best chance to maximize his $value in his entire career
Can’t we just replace him with RG3?
6-7 mil annual. New coach probably doesn’t want mirror S.
First personnel moves:
Dave Zangaro @DZangaroCSN 2m2 minutes ago
#Eagles sign following PS players to futures contracts: T Boyko, G Bunche, LB Hepburn, WR Martino, RB Monangai, DT Raciti, LB Skinner.
man if one of our “off the street” OL pans out it will be huge
If none of the backups or these guys could even push Tobin, it doesn’t inspire much confidence 🙂
Problem is with Chip you never really know, it’s like once he put a guy in a position that guy could be terrible and chip would keep him there.
Question: Does the fact that our first HC interview was Duce dictate (to at least some small extent) that the next Eagles HC finds a place for Duce on the team assuming no other team takes him?
i would strongly prefer that duce get to stay no matter what. i think having some ex eagles on staff is a very good thing.
Agreed, and I hope that the interview is “saying something” without having to actually say it out loud to the HC.
If we do pursue a guy like Gase and land him, I wouldn’t mind Duce being promoted to an OC role where he could learn and advance his coaching career.
no thank you. I’d prefer someone with experience and (as b3nz0z said) keep him on staff. He can learn there. He doesn’t need to learn as OC. Make him assistant or something. He doesn’t qualify simply by being an ex-eagle.
Obviously we don’t know about his coaching style. But the fact that he made it through the last two regimes and was at least considered as a HC candidate does say something. I wouldnt mind him at all in a Pat Shurmur-esque role. I definitely wasn’t sold on him as a HC, but I don’t believe he would stay here to just be a RB coach again (with or without Kelly throwing him under the bus)
He made it through the last two regimes(and maybe make it through this one) simply because he’s a well liked ex-eagle. Being interview for a HC doesn’t mean anything, except he was interviewed(ask Willie Randolf what it’s like). No one can speak as to how serious HR(et al) are interested in him. Maybe he raised his hand and asked to be given a shot. Maybe he is ready to be an OC. It’s just not the right spot on the Eagles right now.
It’s sadly clearly Rooney rule, although to even get Rooney rule interviewed is an honor in some sense.
Wonder if CK got fired early so that they could see what a Shurmur coached team would look like, since the firing doesn’t really get them “ahead” of any other team, except that some of the stench of the firing has been removed.
Agreed. That’s what I never understood — the timing of the firing. Either Lurie was really really pissed off(maybe he wanted to do it sooner and he kicked himself) or like you said – how would Shurmur do.
I can see him being pissed with performance at home vs. skins,esp. 2 years in a row. Have to say offense hummed. Defense was still pathetic.
it was so they interviewed a person of color. Chip Kelly ensured before he accepted his firing that the Eagles must interview a black coach.
What a bull of load.
you must do a better job ignoring the troll, yes
I didn’t realize his name changed again.
Prozac could make millions off this guy.
would anyone get a Cybil reference?
I probably would. Go for it.
all it took Andy Reid to accept his firing was an extra large bag of cheetos
Duce will be just fine, he doesnt need Lurie securing him jobs. Im sure he can land somewhere. I wouldnt hate it but wouldnt love it if it was as OC, let him learn that elsewhere. With a rebuild and possibly a young QB, Id prefer someone with more experience there.
I think that’s going to be something Lurie asks the new coach to do. I can’t imagine the new guy has some RB coach he’s dying to have, but even if he does they can find some role for him on the offensive staff. I’m sure Lurie is going to ask that Duce at least be allowed to start to work on the gameplanning element more.
RB coach/Assistant OC? I could see something like that being a nice step forward for Duce. Achieves one of two positive things… either he is groomed to replace an OC that gets sniped for a HC gig or it could launch him toward an OC gig on another team.
Yea I think he’s going to get an additional title, whether that be assistant HC or “run game coordinator”
I know it’s early but someone handicap the HC candidates. I’ll take a stab at it, please comment. Obviously we don’t know anything, so just having an interview lined up gives the candidates a leg up on anyone else.
Shurmur: 15%
Gase: 20%
Marrone: 10%
Austin: 10%
Duce: 3%
Sean Payton (I rank lower than others b/c of pick needed to give): 5%
field (Pederson, Jackson, etc.): 37%
That’s one approach, I’d be interested to know what their uh, coach board? looks like.
1. Gase
2. Payton
3 and on ????????????
well I tried to do on what I think will happen not what I want to happen (though they probably blended). So I’d offer the same. I think Payton is lower than you have him. I’m not paying any draft picks for my next coach. And I have some concerns about him too.
Well I mean who’s their consesus guy? Last time it was Chip, they went after him hard and got him. I wonder if they have something like that this time or will they take their time to interview everyone. They’re clearly feeling the pressure to start the process early and get ahead.
Gase is clearly number one. Unclear if they have a real backup — marrone maybe.
that was AFTER the interviews. You can’t start out with a consensus. Maybe they interview Gase and make him an offer, but I still think the interview is key.
Alright this is my all on the table, crazy person, theory. I think Lurie will avoid the “interview hire”. He’s a salesman. I think he will have maybe 3 candidates. A ton of “due diligence” interviews. All but 3 will have no chance. His choice must be obviously defensible to the public. He knows the contents of the private meeting does do anything for the public or him. What is Lurie going to determine, that the guy actually knows about football? No. He’d only be able to determine how good of a salesman the candidate is. Lurie and Roseman will do all the research, past experience, ask the candidate’s coworkers, former bosses, ambitions, etc. They will make a list, interview a ton of people who have no chance (they can’t afford to make a head-scratch hire on a great presentation). When each of their guys come in they want, they will try to get a deal done before the person leaves town.
If none of those works out. Successful retread coach. If that doesn’t work they roll the dice on a college guy again. That’s my theory. He wants a hire that I can sell to the public.
ok cool. I’m in. Who are the 3?
Yeesh, I think Gase is on top of the list. I do think Payton is on the list but I am not personally into him. I just think guys like Payton and Harbaugh (John) are guys that Lurie had within his clutches and got away from him. I think a part of him will always covet those 2 coaches.
Annnd yikes. I don’t ever know, I’m thinking a defensive coach will make the list. I get the feeling it’s high on the easy sell points as new and fresh. Possibly Fangio?
so you think they’ve done all this work already or are shurmur and gase not the ones?
I think Gase is #1. They called him and spoke with him. If there is mutual interest he is coming for and interview, and Lurie will be trying to sell Philly as a home for him (with terms) and get something signed. No idea who else might be on the list 🙁
Duce, Pat, I think are Red Herrings though.
and I think with Gase (and maybe others) it’s not as much “we have to hire him” as much as “we really want to talk to him”. I think the interviews mean a lot, I’m sure there’s diligence going on etc.
If both Bradford and Thurmond have good years and now leave, Chip was doing something wrong. You can’t semi solve the QB issue and solve pretty well the safety issue on a year by year basis.
Howie shoulda worked those contracts then
The trade with the Rams was flawed for this reason.
True, the Eagles retain the power to tag Bradford.
But Bradford — for any number of reasons — can afford not to sign the tender and then try to force his way to the team of his choice.
If Roseman had been involved, either he gets a deal done with Bradford last March before the trade. Or the trade does not get made.
even with Thurmond, we will teach you a new position. If you are successful, you can leave and go make more money. Where’s the upside for us? we get exclusive negotiating rights with each of them for a short period. That doesn’t seem like enough.
Thurmond went to oregon i’d wonder if it would make him more likely to stay. Hard to know your future when you’re in the midst of a HC change. Too bad Maxwell is eating the whole DB budget.
If Sam doesn’t want to be here, it will have nothing to do with the new coach or the city, it will be because other teams he’s more interested in playing for have already contacted his agent.
I wonder how different he would feel about Philly if the medai wouldn’t have roasted him over and over again up until about 3 to 4 weeks ago. His teammates might want him here, but 90% of articles written on him since the trade have been negative.
“I wonder how different he would feel about Philly if the medai wouldn’t have roasted him over and over again up until about 3 to 4 weeks ago. His teammates might want him here, but 90% of articles written on him since the trade have been negative.”
I doubt he cares about anything off of the field or outside of the organization. The media coverage of him is most likely to have zero impact on his decision. Peter King’s fiction writing today doesn’t make that true either.
I disagree. For any other position, yes. For the leader of the team, I think it would make a difference. He might not read the stuff written about him, but that does not mean other people don’t tell him.
But you’re ascribing him the personality of a 13 year old girl. I’d think being the starting QB of a college program that has a fan base that expects a title run every year would have insulated him from reacting to the press 10 years ago.
An you’re ascribing him the personality of a wise old man.
I’m think we can agree to disagree. You think negative media coverage has no impact on ownership or players, I tend to think the opposite.
Yeah, we’re not going to see eye to eye on this at all.
Think it’s impactful, but less than $ and teammates. Sammy has as many supporters as he does detractors
Kemp ski was brutal
True, but I doubt Sam Bradford gives two shits about some (funny) Photoshop drawings.
Kempski is to journalism what I am unfortunately to golf…a hack.
Roseman wasn’t able to get Maclin signed for what he wanted when Jeremy came off that torn ACL so that’s speculation.
And Maclin went out and maximized his value; but didn’t provide $11 mil / year of production for the Chiefs.
Once Kelly arrived, we don’t know who was calling the shots anymore — particularly after the 2013 season.
But there’s no question I’m speculating about what would have happened if Roseman was running the deal, not Kelly and Marynowitz.
honestly that’s what I’m thinking.
Wrong or right? Players were on a lot of one year “prove it” deals maclin, thurmond, bradford, etc. most all outplayed their deals.
The “no negotiation during the season” probably hurt them a bit.
That’s some history revision. They traded for Bradford who hadn’t played and no one in Philly wanted to give him an extension and he wanted to wait. They’d have had to overpay then anyway if you listened to Bradford. If they gave him a big extension and he got hurt, we’d be crying.
Thurmond missed many games in his career. First season he played 16 games. It’s amazing what some players do when they have incentive.
incentive or it was how CK’s condition program eliminates injuries( jk )
Re: Battle of the Titans v. NFL
RobNE asked me why I think the Titans’ owners may preemptively sue the NFL for violating the Sherman Antitrust Act.
Stop here if you don’t care — but it does impact the Titans’ coaching search.
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While I haven’t read anything more specific than PFT’s post . . . I’d wager the problem arises out of the NFL by-law which requires that every team must have a “majority owner” with a 50.1 interest in the franchise.
When the Titans late owner Bud Adams died, my recollection is he left the team in equal shares — or “per stirpes” — to his children or, if deceased, that child’s shares would be divided equally among his/her children.
I believe there’s a “Group of 5” — apparently, 5 individuals, children and grandchildren of Adams, own varying amounts of Titans shares.
And I’m guessing no single individual owns a controlling interest in the Titans.
The NFL hates that because there’s no single individual who can be cajoled, coerced, or bribed into making a final decision on the Titans’ behalf.
Among the Group of 5, I suspect they have no plan to sell enough shares to 1 of them to come into compliance with the NFL’s 50.1 rule. (Significant taxes would be involved for the sellers, for sure, unless the purchasing owner has other assets of equal value to swap for the stock — like a half-billion dollar oil well.)
The NFL may be pushing the Titans’ Group of 5 to act: either sell to an unrelated group or individual; or make one of the five a majority owner.
So the Group of 5 may be preparing to challenge the NFL by-laws — which Al Davis successfully did with respect to the NFL’s rule that teams could move cities only if 75% of the other franchises (or whatever the number is) approved.
The Titans have been a disfunctional franchise for years — dating back to the 1970 NFL-AFL merger. Including back-to-back 1-13 seasons. Buddy punching Gilbride. The move from Houston to Tenn . . . leading to a new Houston franchise.
All this uncertainty, particularly the potential for legal action, counsels the Titans owners to hire an inexpensive coach on a short contract — in the event a sale has to be made.
That allows the new owner to get out cheap . . . a cost that, in actuality, would be incorporated into the sales price and come out of the collective pockets of the Group of 5 in the end.
That’s my theory, at least.
wow that’s good stuff thanks for answering. You would think this could be solved in other ways, like giving proxies to one person to reach the threshold to act as 50.1% holder, without that power including what the family really cares about like selling the interests, collecting distributions etc.
The proxies may be a solution for the NFL — that way, if the Titans — for example — tamper with a player or commit some other violation, there’s a single “owner” to take the fall.
The problem may be that among the Group of 5, none of them wants to give up their say in the operations.
you can’t effectively have 5 people negotiate for one entity anyway, so that seems a little silly (if true). But maybe for things like relocation, or big things, you are right. Interesting.
Surprised there wasn’t a league-mandated restriction on transfer in the operating agreement.
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There’s the rub, I think.
I suspect the agreement each team must sign to be a member of the NFL incorporates the league’s by-laws — including the 50.1% rule.
The Raiders v. NFL case from the mid-’80s, though, effectively made those by-laws — even though part of each franchise’s agreement with every other franchise — subject to attack under the Anti-Trust laws.
Good info; and Gilbride deserved it.
Pagano survives another day. Wonder who is pulling for him, Luck?
Well his contract is up… so why fire him? go look about and see who you like in the coaching pool, and if you wait long enough and decide to come back to Pagano he has been unable to talk to teams in the meantime.
It’s a mess over there in Indy. I expected the words “your fired” come up on the jumbotron right after the time expired. I’ve seen stranger things but I’d be shocked if Pagano returns as HC. (that’s just a guess from reading about all the drama over there)
I’d love to see Pagano as the DC here.
Saban can’t deny he’s leaving Alabama for the Colts job until a couple days before the (mythical) national championship game.
After which, Saban can hop on a plane to Indy if he’s so inclined.
And then hop back to a college job in 2017?
Bam!
trying to follow all the firing’s etc is a bit of chaos at times — is it odd the that Eagles have set up an interviews so quickly? Are other teams interviewing candidates outside of their franchise tomorrow? Eagles seemed to take their time with the interview process prior to hiring CK. Wondering why there’s such a rush…
Could be a bird-in-the-hand attempt by the Eagles.
If they like Gase enough to make an offer (after another interview, if past is prologue), Lurie can promise to make an offer if his agent says Gase’ll accept.
Puts pressure on Gase to accept, if he likes the Birds and if he’s not sure another offer’s coming down the pike this go-’round.
Once upon a time — about 2 years ago — Seattle OC Darrell Bevel was getting interviews. Not now, though.
But, really, who knows what’s going on inside Novacare.
Part of it might be Bradford, too. If you are going to retain him, the sooner you have a stable situation to put forth, the better.
Re: Doug Marrone’s Aftermath in Buffalo
Here’s a link to PFT’s post documenting Marrone’s departure from the Bills with a a $4M buyout.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/31/marrone-gets-paid-to-walk-away/
And here’s a link to a later PFT post voicing what “sources” inside the Bills thought about Doug Marrone.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/04/bills-sources-trash-marrone/
Yeah I remember listening to Buffalo radio around the time that he left and he sounded like a real weasel.
I also remember the hosts interviewing Eric Wood (offensive lineman) and he said nobody in the organization knew that Marrone was leaving until they heard that he left in the media… and some time after the news they received a mass text from Marrone saying goodbye to the team. Wood didn’t seem to be impressed with that at ALLLL
Lurie made it very clear he needs a coach that can handle the Philly media and fans. Marrone will be behind the 8 ball before he would even coach a practice. The media would demand a full and detailed explanation of his departure and if they don’t get it, he will be roasted in print, the internet, and sports radio.
I think you’re overstating the impact the fans and media have on the coach’s ability to do his job.
Don’t get me wrong, it shouldn’t affect the coach. I’m just pointing out that he doesn’t follow suite of what Lurie stated he was looking for when he fired Chip.
I don’t think Lurie is looking for that at all, I just that that was just owner speak because he’s trying to put out the right words to the paying public. I don’t think Lurie is hiring anybody other than the person who can help him win the most games long term. And I think the only reason he fired Chip was because he no longer believed he’d be the guy who could help the team win long term.I don’t think any discussion of the fans, media coverage, the Philly market, etc. is at all valid as a part of what influences Lurie.
I think (i) he wants someone that will respect franchise talent and (ii) someone that will be better in lockeroom.
That and only that.
Thank you.
Lol, your username is perfect for your comment. You believe Lurie was lying while I took his press conference as sincere.
As the owner, Lurie is always going to have to speak in that way. I just see a very bottom line pragmatism is what is going to make his decision.
Some people also believed chip Kelly soundbites.
Chips weekly sound bites were quite a bit different than an impassioned owner addressing the firing of his coach and GM.
Best theory for taking the buyout I read was — on threat of leaving — he told the new owners he wanted (i) an extension, and (ii) more personnel power.
Bills new owners said, adieu.
I think Marrone is a putrid head coaching candidate, but I’d also like to point out the Doug Whaley is a dolt as well.
NFL on ESPN just retweeted an instagram post from Justin Tuck. It shows Tuck holding his (presumably) young child with Coughlin’s outstretched arm on the baby’s shoulder. Both men are smiling as they are clearly bonding in a moment outside of football. I can’t help but to think that this one picture shows in a microcosm everything that Chip Kelly was not.
a fake human being of a New Yorker doing a staged media event?
cmon
Yes, my sources tell me Chip hates baby shoulders.
I heard he likes them with fava beans and a nice chianti
Re: Adam Gase & Roster Control
Looking at Gase’s NFL background, here’re the coaches he’s worked for as an assistant since 2003:
– Detroit: Mariucci, Juron (interim), Marinelli
– San Francisco: Nolan, Singletary
– Denver: John Fox
– Chicago: John Fox
All six coaches share at least one organizational trait:
They all worked for a football exec who made the personnel calls, at least on paper, when it came to choosing roster talent.
Re: Chip Kelly the Coach . . .
Have to say, he’d be perfect for — and I think love — coaching at Army, Navy, or Air Force.
I’d have loved to see him in Philadelphia every December coaching up one of those teams.
But it looks like Navy’s set with Niumatololo until he decides to retire.
Air Force, 8-5 this year, is coached by former Falcon cadet Troy Calhoun. He’s not going anywhere.
Army, which has struggled for two decades, is coached by Jeff Monken — who was on Navy’s staff and coached Georgia Southern to a lot of success in D-II.
Kelly has plenty of money. Seems like the kind of guy who’d love coaching 90 kids who play for the joy of the game.
Exactly.
i strongly agree, and think there is a chance he jumps at one of these jobs if they were to open in the future.
If Kelly doesn’t take an NFL HC job this cycle, I’d wager there’s a better than even chance that, if West Point has another 2 or 3 win season and loses to Navy, Monken gets fired in mid-December.
Perfect timing to hire Kelly.
I think he’d be welcomed back in that context with open arms.
Of course, I’d love to be on the field to hear what he mutters under his breath about the fans.
I’m sure Kelly would have a blast in that type of job.
i think it would serve him well to sit this next season out, college or pro. I don’t believe he is a desirable coach at the NFL level this off-season. His reputation is really bad among players and fans and any Franchise who hires him is taking a giant risk in doing so. He should take the year off to reevaluate himself, collect his $, and look to try and find a job out of the limelight of college football. He seems to have a soft spot for the military, and i think that is a perfect fit for him.
JoeBlow . . . great advice.
thank you!
Plus the assistants all know Morse code!
wonder if that makes him more or less admirable, or more or less tyranical.
The greatest influence on Vince Lombardi was the great Army coach Colonel Earl “Red” Blaik — for whom Lombardi served as an assistant.
I think that may answer your question.
Posted a couple of days ago.
From a biography on Lombardi:
“To that point, Lombardi had never held a head coaching position…
On Feb. 2, 1959, Lombardi arrived and told the committee, “I want it understood that I am in complete command here.” Technically he wasn’t, not yet, but within two days of his arrival Olejniczak gave Lombardi not only the head coaching job, but the vacant general manager position as well.
Lombardi immediately changed the way the team looked, the way it played and especially how it thought.
Lombardi’s offense was basic and methodical. Lombardi was famous for his pursuit of perfection, often dedicating long hours of film study or practice to just one element of one play.”
Sound familiar?
Thanks for that.
Less. It’s like the teacher who can only teach to Honors/AP level students. Sorry, but if you can only reach those who are naturally inclined to be self-motivated than maybe you aren’t an inspiring leader.
With that said, I think it would be fun to see what he could do at a service academy. However, I would imagine his pre game talks to be rather bland.
The only thing i am thinking so far is Sean Peyton to Giants.
I dont know the rest.
How much ransom do you think the G-men are willing to pay?
A 3rd? A 2nd? Or a Senator Geary?
Third maybe and cash on the side. It is the Saints.
I think that’d be a pretty good deal for the Giants.
It’ll be interesting to see if McAdoo emerges as the HC after the interviewing process.
All but 1 of their last 5 head coaches was a Giants assistant at some point. (Dan Reeves the exception)
GMs George Young and Ernie Accorsi established that trend . . . suggesting, there’s a “Giants Way” — and management likes to stick with it.
Both Payton and McAdoo meet that criteria.
And DiBlasio will be a freebie.
Why would you trade away the best mayor that city elected in years?
were you being sarcastic?
Not even a little bit. I’d take DiBlasio over any of the mayors of NYC over the past several decades. The savage attack Bloomberg put on the school system was worthy of a jail sentence.
DiBlasio is the best mayor Philly could wish on New York.
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You dont realize he is an incompetent? NYC is going the full Dinkins.
Ah the Dinkins years, when you had to being two wallets so youd have a spare for muggers. Reported crime dropped because with zero enforcement, why report?
Watching Payton fail with Reece’s garbage roster is going to be classic.
And trying to get Eli to read the D and make throws like Brees is going to result in another season of Eli leading the NFL in INTs.
Going away from the current OC’s method of getting Eli to throw the ball quickly is not wise for Eli.
I think Giants would be smart to just promote McAdoo.
He, along with some continuously generous phantom calls against the DBs of Giants opposition, have been giving Eli some nice stats; why change that?
Has he been fired yet? Haven’t seen it.
I believe he is up for being traded for a first round pick.
Trade
NFLN thinks maybe San Francisco. Payton can stand up to that twit GM Baalke. Or maybe no one wants to end up like Harbaugh? San Francisco also had TWELVE starters leave the team. for one reason or another. Maybe not so attractive after all.
Jeff Fisher said he expects Case Keenum, who will be an unrestricted free agent, to return as the #Rams starting QB next season.
I really don’t think trade looks bad now.
If Bradford is back next year, I would call it a good trade.
If $ that the Bills had to pay Shady = we only got Kiko and not a draft pick I would have preferred that $ we had to pay Bradford mean that St. Louis only got Foles and not our 2nd.
But I think we’re better off with Bradford (if he stays)
Gase, Austin and McAdoo are also being interviewed by at least 3 other teams, let’s not forget.
I’d prefer i Macadoo stayed in NYC.
You don’t have to let Gase leave town however. His first interview is hear. I’m 100% sure the Eagles already know the general $ terms it’ll take to get Gase. If the interview goes well, Gase likes what he hear from the team, and the Eagles meet his contract demands; he doesn’t have to leave town without signing a contract.
It happens with free agents all the time.
Other jobs gotta shake out, i’d be interested in Indy, Miami could be interesting as well, NYC.
That could be true; but he’s coming here first. If there is mutual interest you don’t have to let him leave.
And last time I checked, there isn’t a salary cap for coaching hires.
I 100% trust Lurie to not get outbid if he has first crack at the guy.
I just don’t know if he’s the guy they 100% want.
NYC would be a great job, according to the scuttlebutt, if you can deal with the media. Great ownership, proven GM. Miami, on the other hand, is a hot mess with ownership. Who owns the team now? How long has he owned it? Will he still own it in 5 years?
As for NYC, I agree with the sentiment that it could be a great job, but if you look at the following:
* Great QB, but nearing the end
* Great WR, but that’s about it outside the QB on offense
* OL is a mess, still
* The entire defense is a raging fire of suck, with even the mediocre players out with injury
* Reese is a proven GM, but recent drafts and moves seem to be quite a bit weaker than in the past
Not saying it’s a terrible job, just that it’s maybe not the paradise that some are making it out to be. If you are comfortable with Howie/Lurie, I could see how the Eagles job would be a bit better:
* No QB, but you pretty much get to pick your guy (Bradford? Draft pick?)
* Solid foundational players on offense in Johnson, Matthews, running backs
* Talent at all levels of the defense, including an all pro on the line
The defense is at least a solidly talented unit (that I think underperformed due to Chip’s pace and a lack of motivational coaching). You could get excited about that as either an offensive guy (“I just turn this over to a good coordinator”) or a defensive guy (“I can’t wait to get my hands on Cox”). The question is, how good do you feel about the QB situation: do you like Bradford? Do you feel like you have a shot of getting a young guy you could build around? (jumping from 13 to top 5 wouldn’t be completely nutso crazy).
It’s certainly a better situation than Miami, Cleveland, and, with the exception of an aging Eli, NY.
I’d also offer that the GM is not very good. Jerry Reece, in 8 seasons as the Giants GM, has only drafted 2 players who have made a pro bowl.
I would agree. He’s often referred to as “highly respected”, and that may be true, but his talent evaluation has been pretty poor of late outside of one or 2 players. And it’s not like they’re killing it in FA, either. I can’t think of any vets they brought in that could compare to players like Mathews, Sproles, Barwin, Jenkins, or Thurmond. Or even Maxwell (who I have a higher opinion of than most). Maybe Cromartie?
Yeah, I’d agree with you.
And I think some opinions of Maxwell will improve with some better coordinating on our D.
It seems the biggest concern about hiring an assistant or coordinator is their capability to run the whole team, to coordinate/delegate every aspect.
As an aside, one thing that has struck me, with both Arians and Noll, is their insistence that their staff and players have a life, beyond the team facility. Love or hate them, both have. or had, an impressive record. Would Gase be that type of HC? Or a Lombardi-type? Rhetorical question only.
Does Shurmur getting an interview mean the FO like him more than maybe they’re letting on? Failing of the offense under CK, and the way he was kicked out you’d think his staff wouldn’t have ability to stay considering how much the FO seems to have hated Kelly. Billy D clearly isn’t getting interviewed even though you couldn’t find a nicer guy.
Isn’t that a shame with Davis. He seems like a great dude to kill some beers with and talk football; but he can’t coordinate worth beans.
If i were him i’d try to latch on to a good DC as an assistant or something, particularly one that’s has a lot of history coaching secondary and shore up that aspet of his cheme. I think he can argue that having CK really put him in a negative position.
You are missing the fact that the front office disliked Kelly so much for non football reasons tho.
Losing is a football reason. The offense was pretty bad most of the year. It’s not like he was winning and he got fired b/c everyone hated him.
I agree but it seems like he got fired for Xmas party arguing, not padding egos enough, and interpersonal crap. If he kept players and Jeff happy, he would not have been gone.
It may have been something more like Lurie had deep misgivings about trading McCoy etc., but decided to give Kelly the rope he was asking for, i.e. turning the team from good to great. The team went the other direction, so the rope turned into a noose.
But if you alienate everyone in the organization at all levels, it can start to be hard to get stuff done. Winning might have made all the difference there, but it wasn’t, and I guess Lurie had no confidence that it would rebound significantly with Kelly in place.
I like your thinking. That may very well be. But even then, the interpersonal crap was the camel backbreaking straw.
I just don’t buy the argument that performance alone withe reason.
Failure to hang with good teams
0-1 in playoffs
Weak division
His teams fail to play a complete game of football
He flat out refuses to bench players that shouldn’t be on the field
Performance isn’t the issue? Nah performance was totally a part of the issue.
In the court of public fan opinion, sure. But I am talking about Jeffrey Lurie.
Except Lurie didn’t like what he saw either. Chip was on a downward trajectory like he said.
Neither do I. Marynowitz was fired too. So he did something to piss off Lurie as well. The biggest problems were likely at that level.
from delawareonline last February:
‘The Eagles are the fourth team in the NFL to have a coach with ultimate power. But the Eagles’ situation is different from the three other teams. New England’s Bill Belichick, Seattle’s Pete Carroll and New Orleans’ Sean Payton were able to appoint their general managers, who also oversee contract negotiations.
Those coaches were able to appoint people they like and that they feel they can work well with, and who share their vision. Kelly was able to do this when he promoted Marynowitz.**** But Roseman is still there, and his ability to make everything fit financially could ultimately determine if Kelly’s vision will come to fruition.****
Think you interview anyone on the current coaching staff who expresses interest. It is a great way to gather opinions and vision for the team from an insider, and rewards them for their work.
If someone wow’s you then great… but could also set up to retain as a role as well.
Think Billy is realistic about the situation… he is going to sign on somewhere as a position coach and knows he has no shot at either a DC or a HC role any time soon.
yeah, it’s possible that Lurie had planned for this as a natural progression from Chip. He may have been taking the pulse of the locker room and the staff around the organization..and discovered that Personality wise Chip was alienating a lot of people.. Keeping Shurmur you can pretty much keep the same program and maintain continuity while eliminating the personality that rubbed everybody the wrong way.
Then again it could just be having respect for the in-house candidates and giving them a shot before any of the outsiders are brought in for interviews…
Anyone think Mike mccarthy is in the hot seat if they don’t go deep in the playoffs? I mean you can only loose so many with aaron rodgers as your QB.
i think it is possible, especially with the way the NFC Championship ended last year.
Not with the Packers org structure. Their O-line is body bagged and losing Nelson crushed that team.
Now if you’d like to discuss Dom Capers not being able to save his job if they let up too many points in a loss to Washington………………………
could be, but either way im not a mccarthy fan. i think he is overrated.
IF Josh McDaniels gets a HC job.. Chip to NE as OC.. if/when Chip doesn’t get an NFL job.
How would Pat’s fans think about that one lol?
With Belichick’s hand up his ass? An useless puppet.
no more than any of his other OC’s butts…
Yup. They’re pretty much products of Brady’s brilliance.
Yup, hes not slouch, that’s for sure… Rough first stint in the NFL for CHIP but w some BB tutelage about how to run a team, etc.. could do wonders and set up a very intelligent coaching duo or could make BB hate Chip… Would be very entertaining.
Could continue legacy once Billy B is gone. Also close to home for him, media is WAY more friendly.
Boston? media is pretty bad there too…..at least that is what i always hear
What does the media have to do with anything?
I highly doubt it. Belichick seems less of an ass compared to Chip from what I know.
Belichick did it right though. He established a winning culture and made players accountable for their own actions. I don’t think Chip will ever get that kind of respect that Belichick will get.
they ran tempo a couple of years ago i think it was 2012. I think chip could learn a lot about tailoring scheme for players, defenses and time of year
BB seems to LOVE the guy..
I was thinkin similar thoughts… ala spurs.
Gronk would put a gallon of vodka in one of those smoothies and ask Chip to urine test him direct from the tap.
Id respect chip if he went to pats to do that.. that wudbe ego in check and potrntially a huckuvavrun … as long ss brady gas 2 mire years in him
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its a thought? a what if scenario?
Several (presumably) Chip fans have said this on Twitter as well. I don’t see it. Chip likes to practice and run ~4 pass plays and ~4 run plays. He goes at one speed, calls the plays, and doesn’t allow audibles. Over his three years he did not seem to change his offensive game plan in any meaningful way versus various opponents. He only made changes when he absolutely had to, and even those changes were minor.
The Pats already use (to perfection) elements of Chip Kelly’s scheme. The Pats offense appears to be — from week to week — one of the most complex and flexible in the league. Im not sure what Kelly could bring to the table.
Kelly is obviously knowledgeable about football. But he does have a very unique scheme that an offense (and defense) would need to be commited to from top to bottom.
Finally, Chip’s play calling imho was good, not great (quanity over quality, he said it himself) and his clock/game management good not great as well.
Finally, would BB hire him as OC just to mentor Chip? I find that hard to believe.
Earl Wollf and Sheed bailey make Jags PS
Cool, Sheed left a real impression on me because of how he seemed like he belonged despite his less than impressive college pedigree.
Earl Wolfe I just remember for finally being vindicated about his knee despite Chip making him seem like a total wimp.
You can really see how Chip could rub people the wrong way. How many coaches would throw an injured player under the bus like that?
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Great breakdown of Gase’s history by Tommy. I’ve read multiple articles about Gase and also watched many videos of his interviews. He is my # 1 preference – by a long shot ! The NFL is all about game planning, and Gase appears to be able to create a plan to : use his players strengths and ” attack ” the defense. He is not restricted by : needs certain type quarterback or has to run this or that system. He is said to be very – creative and flexible, and willing to listen to input from – coaches ” and ” players. He is also VERY comfortable with the media and seems relaxed and open. One other bonus ( that he even spoke about ) was the experience he gained, be moving to Chicago with John Fox, from Denver and seeing how – a team is built – from the ground up. Love this guy, he’s the real deal. I liked Tommys – offensive version of Belichick reference, because Gase seems to be exactly that, his approach seems to be chameleon like, in how great he adjusts his ( philosophy / game plan ) to his surroundings and opponents. Lurie and Howie …… DO IT !!
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