Eagles Working Out Everyone

Posted: March 30th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 177 Comments »

The Eagles worked out Jared Goff earlier in the week. While in the area, they stopped at Stanford to check out Kevin Hogan. Today it was Carson Wentz. Next up is Paxton Lynch. And that’s just the QBs!!!

I’ve written about the reasons the Eagles could (and probably should) take a QB at pick 8. Let’s also understand there is a key influence here…Andy Reid. Big Red loved QBs. He spent the #2 pick in 1999 on Donovan McNabb. After that, Reid mainly looked at backup QBs. That changed in the spring of 2006. McNabb was getting older and coming off an injury-plagued season. The Eagles had the 14th pick in the draft. They had Vince Young rated as the #2 prospect overall and Matt Leinart #3. Leinart fell to 10th. If he had fallen any more, you have to wonder if the Eagles would have taken him.

In 2007, the Eagles did take Kevin Kolb early in the 2nd round. He was a player that Reid thought very highly of.

Things were quiet for a couple of years, but in 2010 Reid was very high on Sam Bradford and very intrigued by…Tim Tebow. The Eagles had no shot at Bradford and Tebow was gone before the Eagles 2nd round pick. I don’t know if Reid liked him that much, but it’s probably a good thing we didn’t get to find out.

Reid was very high on Christian Ponder in 2011. He went 12th to Minnesota. Had he been on the board at 23, Reid might have made that pick and spared us the Danny Watkins saga.

2012 was another year where Reid had multiple targets. He loved one player above all.

After that, Reid liked Russell Wilson and Nick Foles. I think you remember how that turned out.

Andy Reid coached in Green Bay when Ron Wolf was the GM. He learned to appreciate the constant QB chase while working for Wolf.

In 1992 Wolf took over the Packers. He had QB Don Majkowski in place, but went ahead and traded for some kid named Brett Favre. Wolf didn’t stop there.

1992 – Ty Detmer – 6th round
1993 – Mark Brunell – 5th round
1995 – Jay Barker – 5th round
1996 – Kyle Wachholtz – 7th round
1997 – Ron McAda – 7th round
1998 – Matt Hasselbeck – 6th round
1999 – Aaron Brooks – 4th round

Wolf also signed free agents like Doug Pederson and Kurt Warner.

Wolf was constantly looking for another QB. He was lucky that Favre never got hurt, but was prepared if that did happen. Wolf also understood that you could draft and develop QBs and then trade them to desperate teams. QBs were very valuable.

Reid brought this mentality to Philly. It influenced Howie Roseman, Doug Pederson and even Jeff Lurie. Always be looking for more QB talent. This lesson was never more clear than in the summer of 2009. The Eagles had McNabb, Kolb and A.J. Feeley. That was a top veteran, young player and good veteran backup. What more could you want?

Michael Vick.

Big Red jumped at the chance to add another QB to the mix. Vick was just too talented to pass on when the risk was so little. No compensation. Small salary. There was a major PR issue to deal with, but Reid wasn’t going to let that keep him from adding a talented QB.

It should be no surprise that Roseman, Pederson and Lurie are interested in top QB prospects considering the influence of Reid. The Eagles like Sam Bradford. They like Chase Daniel. But there is always room for another talented passer.


Lurie is actually going on some of the trips to work out QBs. He did this in 2013 when the Eagles checked out Geno Smith. Some people think that means his presence is no big deal. The Eagles didn’t like Smith, passing on him in the 1st and even 2nd round.

Understand that going to check out a prospect doesn’t mean you love the player. It means you have interest and want to do more research. The Eagles checked out Smith in 2013 and came away with more questions than answers. I doubt he was on the draft board at all after that.

These scouting trips are not just cosmetic. These aren’t smokescreens. The Eagles are doing their homework to make sure they make the right decision in April.

Roseman learned a lot from Tom Heckert and does understand the value of mis-information. The Eagles will talk to a couple of players (at their school or the NovaCare) that they don’t like at all. Just like playing poker, you don’t want the other guys to know what you’re thinking.


The Eagles are checking out a bunch of non-QBs. I’ll cover those tomorrow.


Matt Lombardo has the story that Chip Kelly didn’t care for scouts evaluations.

I’m not sure we should get all that fired up by this story. Andy Reid overruled the scouts in 2011 and had the Eagles take Jaiquawn Jarrett in the 2nd round when no one else wanted him there.

I was told a story involving the Rams where everyone agreed to spend a high pick on a certain player, only to be overruled by someone from the ownership side of things (several years back).

We’re also hearing a very slanted version of things here. If Chip was truly dismissive of all the hard work done by the scouts, then that is wrong. If he was just awkward about things, that wouldn’t be the first time a coach and his scouts didn’t see completely eye to eye.

The real takeaway from this is the fact that scouts get pooped on by so many people. Chip gets mad at Howie and then takes it out on the scouts. Chip then brings in his own guys. Now Howie gets control back and will likely want to bring in his guys. Executives and coaches make a lot of money. Even guys who get fired too quickly can at least take some solace in having a few years of big bucks.

Scouts go out there and grind away. They aren’t paid anything like coaches or executives. You have to feel sorry for the way they get treated in so many of these disputes.


Good stuff here from ex-Eagles scout John Middlekauf.


177 Comments on “Eagles Working Out Everyone”

  1. 1 anon said at 10:25 PM on March 30th, 2016:

    You ain't real… No matter how much money you make… You a corndog https://t.co/fdjx3I1NRl— Tyrann Mathieu (@Mathieu_Era) March 30, 2016

  2. 2 Joe Minx said at 11:05 PM on March 30th, 2016:

    Mmm. Got hungry reading that.

  3. 3 A_T_G said at 11:53 PM on March 30th, 2016:

    Clearly you haven’t looked up corn dog on Urban Dictionary.

  4. 4 Joe Minx said at 1:15 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    I’m old-fashioned. I think back to times at the Jersey shore where those bad boys are a staple. Don’t really know or care how millenials have chosen to butcher the words.

  5. 5 P_P_K said at 8:52 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Old school is the best school.

  6. 6 SteveH said at 4:03 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    I looked up corn dog on urban dictionary and I’m still confused about what it means O.o

  7. 7 A_T_G said at 7:22 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    There are a number of uses, none of them good.

    A teacher friend of mine had a middle school student complain to him that other boys were trying to corndog him at the bus stop, but did not elaborate. He looked up the term for himself, scanned through some of the definitions, and ended up saying a prayer that the kid was talking about getting kneed from behind.

  8. 8 SteveH said at 9:54 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Yeah, but neither context really fits the tweet. I’m guessing that whatever the literal meaning is it roughly translates to “you’re not chill.”

  9. 9 ChoTime said at 3:33 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Black folks of my acquaintance were saying “corny” far longer than mainstream America–I wonder if it’s a derivation.

  10. 10 laeagle said at 11:07 PM on March 30th, 2016:

    I don’t understand the slang the millenials are using these days. I’m still trying to figure out why in the sweet fuck people had to resort to saying “throw shade” when there are 1000 other, better ways of saying the same thing.

    But I’m just a corndog, so what do I know?

  11. 11 Charlie Kelly said at 11:13 PM on March 30th, 2016:

    you dont get throwing shade bruh?

  12. 12 Insomniac said at 11:32 PM on March 30th, 2016:

    Most millennials are also clueless about it too.

  13. 13 Mac said at 12:41 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    If you’re gonna toss negativity around using food, shouldn’t it be something putrid or terrifying like rotten bananas, vegemite, rocky mountain oysters, or Fugu?

  14. 14 ChoTime said at 3:33 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    At first, I thought you wrote “If you’re going to toss around negativity, fool… etc”

  15. 15 Eagles Working Out Everyone - said at 10:29 PM on March 30th, 2016:

    […] Tommy Lawlor The Eagles worked out Jared Goff earlier in the week. While in the area, they stopped at Stanford […]

  16. 16 Joe Minx said at 11:08 PM on March 30th, 2016:

    OT but couldn’t resist sharing


  17. 17 P_P_K said at 8:53 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    The City of Brotherly Shove.

  18. 18 Charlie Kelly said at 11:15 PM on March 30th, 2016:

    Is elliot shorr parks the worst eagles reporter? i think so. The guy is clueless. actually i think he just acts clueless to up his twitter followers… or something like that

  19. 19 Rellihcs said at 11:26 PM on March 30th, 2016:

    Only one who outdoes Marcus Hayes

  20. 20 Charlie Kelly said at 11:37 PM on March 30th, 2016:

    YES!!! so true!!

  21. 21 Media Mike said at 6:45 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Hayes occasionally has some good commentary. Very occasionally.

  22. 22 Rellihcs said at 7:01 AM on March 31st, 2016:


  23. 23 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:11 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    What a hack! Hayes likes to hide behind the fact that he is a “columnist” and not a reporter, so he can just spew his lazy worthless opinions while doing minimal work..
    John Smallwood is another pathetic columnist stealing money

  24. 24 Media Mike said at 8:12 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    I agree with both upon occasion.

  25. 25 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:13 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Broken clock syndrom

  26. 26 Cafone said at 10:53 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    You can’t stand the two black Eagles writers. Shocking…

  27. 27 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:26 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Don’t get face fucked, I can assure you I hate way more White Eagle reporters. But I hate all columnists even more

  28. 28 Crus57 said at 8:21 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    I guess Sal Pal gets a pass because he’s not just an Eagles reporter, but instead is also wrong about many different teams and sports?

  29. 29 Rellihcs said at 8:49 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    In my book he deserves nothing but criticism. But hes no Philly writer. I’m talking local people who regularly write exclusive about Philly sports.

  30. 30 Mac said at 12:36 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Reminder: you can’t spell Sal Paolantonio without Anal Piano Stool.

  31. 31 Jarock said at 9:27 PM on April 1st, 2016:

    Sal Pal may be the WORST Eagles insider. He makes ESP look good.

  32. 32 Cafone said at 1:17 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    He was the one with all the “inside information” about the team’s concerns with DeSean’s gang activities. And as far as I can tell, all that stuff turned out to be baseless rumor mongering.

  33. 33 Stacks209 said at 11:46 PM on March 30th, 2016:

    One thing I can’t get out of my mind.. Is either Dallas or NY taking Zeke.
    Dez+Zeke=trouble for Philly. OBJ+Zeke=trouble for Philly.
    Although a draft strategy of keeping a player away from a division rival isn’t a draft strategy, I shudder at the thought of him going to either team. They would have their own “triplets”. We saw what that Dallas line was capable of with DeMarco (McFadden for 1000?), and I’ve really enjoyed the Giants AWEFUL rushing attack of the past couple years.

    I feel like if either team takes Zeke well be having headaches over it for years!!

  34. 34 Greg Tulino said at 12:06 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    The Cowboys are likely to get a stud at #4. The Giants will likely get a real good player in the first round. It is what it is. We can’t worry about their roster. The only focus is how we can improve our roster for this season and in the future.

  35. 35 Media Mike said at 6:45 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    They can’t block our front 4………………………. = TROUBLE FOR THEM!

  36. 36 Mac said at 10:22 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    I can’t figure out how having our Dline crush Zeke! in the backfield is a problem.

  37. 37 Dave said at 8:03 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Romo has had multiple back and collarbone surgeries. Let them take Zeke because at 36 years old, his body is breaking down and he won’t last a whole season. The question comes down to how many games will a backup be starting. We all saw how that worked out last year.

  38. 38 P_P_K said at 8:55 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    As much as I hate Romo (simply because he is the Cowboys qb) I hope he retires soon. One more big injury and he is looking at being disabled the rest of his life.

  39. 39 The original AG said at 9:14 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Yeah, I agree. He’s one neck/back injury away from being paralyzed.

  40. 40 Chiptomylou said at 9:36 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    If we take Jack though that may equalize things a bit.

  41. 41 ChoTime said at 3:35 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    It’s always a blast to be inferior at all the skill positions.

  42. 42 RC5000 said at 11:57 PM on March 30th, 2016:

    Especially enjoyed your piece today Tommy, it’s very informative.

    I’m just sayin’…Middlekauff vs. Chip I don’t know who wins.
    Former Eagles scout John Middlekauff said Tuesday that he would take Pryor over Cam Newton for the next 10 years. Pryor is improving rapidly as a passer with every start.
    John Middlekauff Says “I Don’t See Why Manziel Can’t Succeed in the NFL”

  43. 43 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 6:56 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Not trying to defend Chip but no wonder he threw Middlekauff’s board out.

  44. 44 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:03 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    No idea how the fuck anyone earning a pay check working as a football pro could have possibly thought that taking Manziel in round 1 was a good idea…. People saw that Bust coming Miles away, yet some dumb franchise still took the bait, hook, line and sinker…. What respectable NFL scout could have ever seen 1st round franchise talent in Manziel?
    I can’t decide if taking Tebow in round 1, or taking Manziel was the dumber move

  45. 45 Cafone said at 1:14 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Tommy, slightly off-topic but have you ever been to the funyuns.com website?

    spoiler: you don’t need to take LSD first.

  46. 46 P_P_K said at 8:56 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    “you don’t need to take LSD first.”
    Now you tell me…

  47. 47 Cafone said at 3:37 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    This is one of the reasons I prefer our personnel department to be led by someone like Howie Roseman. I feel that someone who is more of an analyst is less likely to be influenced by emotion leading to irrational attachments to a player. Why the hell are you paying scouts if you aren’t going to listen to them?

    Tommy mentioned Jaiquawn Jarrett. I always think back to another local guy, LJ Smith, taken 8 picks before another tight end who set records at a major program: Jason Witten. Obviously a team can’t hit on every pick, but picks are too important to just say “fuck the analysis, I got a good feeling about this guy.”

  48. 48 SteveH said at 4:00 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    The Jarrett and Watkins picks also came 14 years into Reid’s tenure and when he in a desperate position, I’m not quite sure that’s the same as the position Chip was in. Chip seems like the kind of person who would think doing things his way was the right way.

  49. 49 Cafone said at 10:48 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Yeah, but the reach pick I mentioned, LJ Smith over Jason Witten, came early in Reid’s career.

  50. 50 Dominik said at 4:13 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Like it is so often, there’s a lot of grey and not much black and white if you assume Chip basically ran all drafts since 2013, like Lombardo says. Altough it doesn’t make much sense to me, since Howie took blame for MSII. And Chip said he had control of the 90 man roster in 2015. You have to think the guy with that control runs the draft, vs. the guy with the 53 man roster control (which Chip always had).

    2013 draft was a good one. 3 good players in the first 3 rounds – can’t ask for much more, imo. You want to pick Pro Bowlers or Hall of Famers with every Top 100 pick, but they are rare for a reason. 3 good players is a good result, period (imo).

    2014, I think we can say that even right now, before the 3 years are over, sucked. Matthews is the only impact player we got out of that draft.

    2015 is too early to judge. Agholor we have to wait and see. Flashes, but no consistency whatsoever. Rowe looks solid, let’s hope he has a 2nd year jump. Hicks looks like the real deal. We had no 4th or 5th rounders, which makes the overall grade tough. Shepard in the 6th had a good camp, so he might be something, but before he even played a snap in a preseason game, you can’t judge.

  51. 51 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:00 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    “HOWIE took the blame”…. WOULDNT read too much into that. Roseman is no dummy, he saw how much chip rubbed the city the wrong way refusing to take any responsibility for anything, so when Roseman took the blame, I got the impression that he would have taken the high road and accepted blame for anything the media asked about, instead of looking like a classless Idiot chip kelly blaming his former GM HOWIE in the media..
    It sounded to me like he was just taking the high road, and would have accepted blame for any bad move the media asked him about, but that’s just me speculating from a far

  52. 52 Media Mike said at 6:44 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    “I’m not sure we should get all that fired up by this story.”

    Well, I am.

    I’m still livid over the reaching for Marcus Smith.

  53. 53 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:56 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    I laughed, Tom wrote “im not sure we should get fired up about this story”, and followed it up with “andy Reid overruled the scouts to take Jaquain Jarrett in round two” lol not exactly a comforting thought when talking about Eagle coaches overruling all the work the scouts did..
    Not saying it’s a big deal, just funny to follow up that statement with an example of one of the dumbest picks in modern Eagle history.

  54. 54 A_T_G said at 7:28 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    The slideshow format is annoying, but all of the predraft interest is collected here, and will be updated.

    Edit: http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2016/03/2016_nfl_draft_eagles_prospect_visit_workout_track.html#1

  55. 55 Media Mike said at 7:41 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Slideshow sucks. That is why I hate a lot of links from Bleacher Report.

  56. 56 SteveH said at 9:57 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    There’s a special place in hell for people who put everything in slideshow format on the web.

  57. 57 ChoTime said at 3:37 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Yes, they’ll have to keep clicking in order to get a drink of water… but muhahahah, they’ll never reach it!

  58. 58 Tumtum said at 10:32 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    More clicks equal more ad revenue.Especially when the adds try and mislead you as the next click. I’m all for earning as much as you can, but fooling me into clicking a sponsors link so you can make more sort of enrages me. Getting clicks to unique pages with their own adds should be more than enough added revenue.
    I boycott these sites.

  59. 59 Sean Stott said at 12:54 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    It’s getting better. Advertisers monitor bounce rates from users who come to their sites through paid ads. They can tell when the referring site is sending them bad traffic.

  60. 60 Tumtum said at 1:18 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Good to know. Ads are ruining the internet. I don’t want to run any ad blocker stuff because I do want the sites I visit regularly to receive credit for my presence there. I just don’t want to be taken advantage of.

  61. 61 Joe Minx said at 1:56 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    There’s a great thread on the EMB for this that is probably the most comprehensive of all the places I’ve seen.

  62. 62 bdbd20 said at 7:41 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    One point that was made in the past about Reid was that he liked to keep files on these players so they can make decisions when they are available in the future either as FA’s or trade.

    Not a bad idea to get as much info as possible. Some of the QB’s will go to bad teams and the chips will be stacked against them.

  63. 63 Media Mike said at 7:43 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Also stresses the importance of continuity in one’s organization for being there long enough as guys come off of their first contracts and are able to be acquired.

  64. 64 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:51 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Think that’s pretty common, not just an andy Reid thing, but it can’t hurt…

  65. 65 A_T_G said at 7:52 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Speaking of slideshows, Lombardo did his mock draft in that format. It kind of works though, building suspense. I won’t give away the 8th pick, but it made me happy.


  66. 66 Media Mike said at 7:55 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    I’ll take that guy at 8. He’d be an upgrade wherever he plays and our coaching staff could totally unleash him.

    Doubt he’s there.

  67. 67 A_T_G said at 8:05 AM on March 31st, 2016:


  68. 68 Mac said at 10:13 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    I’m gonna have to up my prayer game if we draft this kid.

  69. 69 Media Mike said at 8:11 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    What does first pick portend on this fine Thursday morning……

    Your score is: 9171 (GRADE: A-)

    Round 1 Pick 8: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Adolphus Washington, DT/DE, Ohio State (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 16: Karl Joseph, SS, West Virginia (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 2: Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Rashard Robinson, CB, LSU (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 25: Ben Braunecker, TE, Harvard (A)
    Round 6 Pick 13: Josh Ferguson, RB, Illinois (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Anthony Zettel, DE, Penn State (B+)
    Round 7 Pick 30: Daniel Braverman, WR, Western Michigan (A+)

    So, took Wentz at 8. Washington should be a good Schwartz player at DT. Joseph can work into the safety rotation slowly. McGovern gives a ton of position flexibility on the O line. Robinson can work into the CB rotation. Braunecker gives us a blocking TE to put into rotation. Ferguson allows an immediate upgrade over Barner in the RB rotation. Zettel is an effort guy who might stick in the D line group if there are some cuts / trades of guys who are more suited to 3-4. Braverman is pure slot guy who could step in if Huff continues to bust his way out of town.

  70. 70 Cafone said at 10:37 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Do a mock draft where you take QBs with every pick.

  71. 71 A_T_G said at 10:53 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Your Picks:

    Round 1 Pick 8: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (A+)

    Round 3 Pick 14: Dak Prescott, QB, Mississippi State (C+)

    Round 3 Pick 16: Cardale Jones, QB, Ohio State (C-)

    Round 4 Pick 2: Kevin Hogan, QB, Stanford (D-)

    Round 5 Pick 14: Vernon Adams Jr., QB, Oregon (F)

    Round 5 Pick 25: Brandon Allen, QB, Arkansas (C-)

    Round 6 Pick 13: Cody Kessler, QB, Southern California (D+)

    Round 7 Pick 12: Liam Nadler, QB, Gannon (F)

    Round 7 Pick 30: Blake Frohnapfel, QB, Massachusetts (D-)

    I know, I know Mike, he said QBs not H-backs. I tried to stick with guys we checked out as long as I could.

  72. 72 Cafone said at 10:56 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    I like it! At least one of them is probably going to turn into a franchise QB, right? They can play special teams until we figure out which one is the diamond in the rough.

  73. 73 A_T_G said at 11:10 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    One? I say we polish them all up and trade each of them for two draft picks in a couple years. We will own half of the 2019 draft.

  74. 74 Insomniac said at 11:18 AM on March 31st, 2016:


  75. 75 A_T_G said at 1:45 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    I figured Gannon was close to canon and Liam is mail backwards, so he probably will have a strong arm and good deep ball. It is all about the research.

  76. 76 Media Mike said at 11:21 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    If it says “QB” on the simulation, who am I to argue?

  77. 77 Ankerstjernen said at 4:48 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    It looks ridiculous until you realise that this is not half of what the Skins gave up to draft RGknee.

  78. 78 Media Mike said at 11:22 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    I did one with all centers once out of spite. I did another one where I just took every trade down offer over and over and over until I had almost every late pick in the draft. That was fun.

  79. 79 truehaynes said at 11:14 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Braunecker is an athletic freak right?

  80. 80 Media Mike said at 11:20 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    He big.

  81. 81 he's_back_scrambling said at 8:44 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    He had QB Don Majkowski in place – the magic man! I haven’t heard that name in years!! haha

  82. 82 FairOaks said at 1:10 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    I vaguely remember him setting the record for most consecutive completions… since broken by McNabb and (just recently) Tannehill I think, and probably others.

  83. 83 Dave said at 9:06 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    “Wolf also understood that you could draft and develop QBs and then trade them to desperate teams. QBs were very valuable.”

    This sentence really hits the nail on the head.

    1993 – Mark Brunell – 5th round: After two years with the Packers, he was acquired in 1995 by the Jacksonville Jaguars, in a trade for a 3rd round and 5th round pick in the 1995 draft.

    1998 – Matt Hasselbeck – 6th round: The Packers traded him, along with their first (17th overall) and seventh-round draft picks, to the Seahawks for their first (10th overall) and third-round draft picks.

    1999 – Aaron Brooks – 4th round: On July 31, 2000, the Packers traded Brooks and tight end Lamont Hall to the Saints for linebacker K. D. Williams and the Saints’ third round pick in the 2001 draft.

  84. 84 RobNE said at 1:05 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    I think there was an inefficiency in the market. If Favre plays every game, on what basis are other teams valuing these QB’s so high? Just preseason games? Well if there’s anything I learned watching the Eagles the past few years, it’s that preseason games incl. QB performances are not the same as regular season.

    I think NFL teams should massively discount QB’s on this basis.

  85. 85 FairOaks said at 1:09 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    That never stops teams from being enticed — there is always a Scott Mitchell behind a Marino, who comes in one game and looks good (defense had nothing on tape and were not prepared anyways), and just that one glimpse can be enough. We traded AJ Feeley for a 2nd based on about 3 starts before McNabb came back.

    GMs are human, and if you are desperate enough to find a QB, some of those shots start to look attractive. A 2nd round pick can be worthless until you find a competent QB.

  86. 86 RobNE said at 1:16 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    I hear you . I like Garropolo. But you need to be really careful.

    Hey I guess the trade for Favre worked out.

  87. 87 Dave said at 1:26 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    I think it has just as much to do with the guys who were developing them. Brunnell and Hasselbeck became pretty good starters. It brings in the whole nature vs nurture aspect to it. Some good QBs have been drafted by bad teams and/or mediocre offensive coaches. It makes you wonder if Mark Sanchez, David Carr, Tim Couch, and countless others were under the tutelage of Holmgren or Andy Reid for a few years coming directly from college, could they have been successful too.

  88. 88 RobNE said at 1:29 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    I thought Trading Places settled that dispute once and for all.

  89. 89 Dave said at 1:54 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    When I was a kid, if we wanted bubbles, we had to fart in the tub…Billy Ray Valentine

  90. 90 Bert's Bells said at 1:25 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    I think there’s also a human element here.

    There might be a voice in a GM’s head saying “Wolf picked this guy and he’s the GM who acquired Favre.” In part it’s saying “If Wolf thinks he’s good, he must be good” further it’s “If this guy busts, that’s on Wolf’s evaluation not me”.

    Of course neither of those thoughts are logical (in fact, they’re the definition of an “appeal to authority”), but they’re very human. People make decisions like that all of the time.

  91. 91 anon said at 1:36 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    most people trying just not to get fired.

  92. 92 Bert's Bells said at 1:43 PM on March 31st, 2016:


  93. 93 Cafone said at 10:45 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Eagles draft trivia: Jaiquawn Jarrett and Marcus Smith II both have the same amount of career sacks.

  94. 94 SteveH said at 10:46 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    So what you’re saying is MSII is on a better pace than JJ! Let’s put those rose glasses on baby.

  95. 95 Mac said at 12:03 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Speaking of which… I’m still waiting on those midnight green shades I ordered on this website a few years back.

    WTF Tommy?!

  96. 96 SteveH said at 10:49 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    In all-galaxy team basketball news: “Curry is now up to 361 treys on the year, so he has a shot at 400 and has obliterated his old record of 286.”

    7 games, 39 treys. That’s about 5 and a half a game. He can do it.

    I can’t remember the last time someone so thoroughly crushed a previous record. Especially since it’s his own record. It would be staggering if he hit 400.

  97. 97 anon said at 10:52 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    almost makes you want to take out the 3pt line, changes the whole dynamic of the game when people hit that shot at 50%

  98. 98 A_T_G said at 11:18 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    I watched more of the March Madness basketball this year than I have total basketball in the last decade. I cannot believe how much the game has changed. “Feeding the big guy” and “working inside for the kick out” are going the way of “three yards in a cloud of dust.”

    It would probably completely ruin the game, but I think it would be interesting to add a 4-point line and make shots from the back court worth 5 points, just to see how long it takes before those shots become commonplace.

  99. 99 ChoTime said at 3:41 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    I am not sure what I think about a basketball that devalues the big man. As a little guy, I kind of like it. But it is also just wrong.

    On the other hand, what Curry is doing is a testament to otherworldly, generational skill. It is enabled, but not created by the offense-friendly rules. You can’t just be a Curry-clone, anymore than someone could be a Steve Nash clone.

  100. 100 Media Mike said at 11:20 AM on March 31st, 2016:

    Wilt. With like 200 different NBA records.

  101. 101 Anders said at 12:43 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    It’s a good record, but this record is more about volume than effiency as curry is not even the most effienct 3 point shooter this year, he just does so much more than anybody else

  102. 102 oreofestar said at 12:53 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    No one else is that efficient at that high of a volume, going 10-20 doesn’t make you better than someone who goes 95-200 since that 10-20 guy may not make as many threes if he shot them as much

  103. 103 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:20 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    He isn’t as efficient because no other 3pt shooters come even close to taking the crazy 3’s off the dribble from 3 feet behind the 3pt line like Curry takes, and often makes

  104. 104 ChoTime said at 3:43 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    It’s a combination of both, actually. As long as his high volume shooting results in a higher efficiency than the teams he plays, he’s golden. The more shots the merrier, in that case. It’s not like Kobe, who was probably a net-negative for his team for half his career.

  105. 105 Sean Stott said at 12:53 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    idk but I really hate the term ‘trey’

  106. 106 b3nz0z said at 1:10 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    could be way worse. four potential starters and some secondary depth:

    Round 1 Pick 10 (NYG): Myles Jack, OLB/ILB, UCLA (A+)

    Round 2 Pick 17 (IND): Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis (A)

    Round 3 Pick 16: Jordan Howard, RB, Indiana (A)

    Round 4 Pick 2: Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri (B+)

    Round 4 Pick 11 (NYG): Maliek Collins, DT, Nebraska (A)

    Round 5 Pick 14: Bralon Addison, WR, Oregon (A+)

    Round 5 Pick 25: KJ Dillon, SS, West Virginia (A-)

    Round 6 Pick 13: Tyvis Powell, FS, Ohio State (B+)

    Round 7 Pick 12: Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland (A)

    Round 7 Pick 30: Juston Burris, CB, NC State (B+)

  107. 107 FairOaks said at 1:13 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    You traded *back* and got Myles Jack? I’d have to guess in most real life scenarios, you grab him at 8… but I guess if your three top choices, evenly graded, are there at 8 and #10 comes calling with an offer of a 2nd… could happen.

  108. 108 b3nz0z said at 1:16 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    well at 8 i had my choice of him and goff so i said eff it. there’s a zero percent chance of it actually going down like this but i’m pretty obsessed with getting a second round pick.

  109. 109 Media Mike said at 2:40 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Dig it. Getting Jack at 10 is funny, but who are you to say no? Lynch has been obtained in the correct round. Good overall haul of guys. Nobody I hate.

  110. 110 b3nz0z said at 2:46 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    he’s a legit prospect to slide simply because of his position. probably not past 8 but man he’s a value pick after 5 or so

  111. 111 John Galt said at 4:18 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Like it a lot, but doubt the Eagles only take one OL

  112. 112 Tumtum said at 1:32 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    I wouldn’t mind the team drafting a QB in the first (if they truly love him) and say in the 4th. I know its very unlikely, and feels like a waste of resources. Not to mention it is pretty much impossible to keep 4 QBs. I’m just all in on throwing as many darts at the board as I can. Redskins drafted a QB in the 1st and the 4th a few years ago. I think the 4th round guy turned out to be a pretty good call by them.

  113. 113 b3nz0z said at 1:41 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    it’s not a waste. i think it’s the best motivator a rookie could have

  114. 114 FairOaks said at 2:32 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    For us it’s a waste — we have two guaranteed roster spots for QBs, and we have room for one draft pick. A second QB during the draft you are ticketing for the practice squad and outside of the 7th rounders would be a bad use of a pick. If we were in a situation where we only had Mark Sanchez on the roster right now… then sure.

  115. 115 b3nz0z said at 2:45 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    a late rounder at any position can end up stashed for a year but i do see your point. i wouldn’t necessarily want them to look for two qbs but let’s say we grab wentz or goff early, and somehow Hogan’s around way later than we thought he’d be. if he’s the unquestionable best available, i don’t think it’s an automatic “no.”

  116. 116 FairOaks said at 3:34 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    It’s darn close to it. If another team will poach them off our practice squad, we will throw that pick away for nothing. BPA is well and good but in the end, if you score with a better-than-expected player you need to fit them on the 53-man else they will be poached. Only other choice is to trade them before the season for whatever you could get — so spending a 7th could be OK as that could be recouped in a trade. Anything higher than that is a waste to my mind — might as well swing for good backup OL or something there.

    It is not always the case that you have this much guaranteed money tied up at the position (and after a QB at #8 it would be even higher), so in more normal years if you say had Chase Daniel on a non-guaranteed contract, it might be worth a flier to see which one you prefer, and cut the other. But not this year for the Eagles.

  117. 117 Dave said at 1:45 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Listening to Doug, Howie and Jeff speak over the past month, it seems they are looking for a mid-round QB to groom. I’m sure if they fall in love with one of the big three, they could take them at 8.

    I think one aspect missing on all this individual workout stuff is the apples to apples comparisons that they will be able to make, both from a physical and a mental standpoint. Remember last year how many in the media reminded us that it was a competition between Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez. They kept saying that Sanchez could definitely beat out Sam in training camp. Funny how that all went away in a few days once they saw his Sam’s arm in person. Sanchez may have looked like he had a good arm on tape, but in person, the media was in awe of Sam’s throwing ability.

    If the Eagles put, Hackenberg, Hogan, Prescott, Lynch, Goff, and Wentz through an actual workout within a few days of each other, they should get a pretty good understanding of throwing capabilities in comparison with each other. Throw in the whiteboard sessions and dinner interviews, the team will most definitely know the personal value of one QB compared to another. These are things that the college game tape will not give them.

  118. 118 BreakinAnklez said at 6:55 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Brandon Allen

  119. 119 Dave said at 7:03 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Tiny hands


  120. 120 BreakinAnklez said at 10:05 AM on April 1st, 2016:

    Don’t care. He’s looked great past two years. Didn’t have a fumbling problem in college. He’s played against some pretty good defenses in SEC.

  121. 121 Sean Stott said at 1:52 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    The Eagles might look a QB at #8, but I wonder if the offers they’ll get to trade down if a QB is available will be too rich to ignore

  122. 122 FairOaks said at 2:26 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Or teams trade up in front of us to take QBs pushing a juicy prospect down to us.

  123. 123 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:29 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    I could see both Goff and Wentz gone even before the niners pick at #7
    Id probably agree with taking Wentz if he fell to #8, but if Goff is available, Id prefer trying to use him To get our 2nd round pick back from the Rams

  124. 124 anon said at 8:34 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Rams have acquired a lot of picks letting QBs get away. Still no where near the playoffs If Goff is there i take him, EVen bad Qbs retain value

  125. 125 RobNE said at 2:17 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    I’m interested in what these dinners are like. For example, does the prospect eat really healthy options?

  126. 126 P_P_K said at 3:19 PM on March 31st, 2016:


  127. 127 ChoTime said at 3:44 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Nacho supreme with some Sam Adams!

  128. 128 Mac said at 4:18 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    NaCho Time!

  129. 129 laeagle said at 7:34 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Only order the lamb balls, like in “Funny Farm”…

  130. 130 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:31 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    KC is trying to get a pick for RB Kniles Davis. I really hope doug DOESNT want to bring him here.

  131. 131 Media Mike said at 2:38 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    They’re welcome to him for any of our D linemen who don’t fit a 4-3.



  132. 132 Mac said at 6:30 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    I’d be more excited if it were Miles Davis.

  133. 133 Media Mike said at 6:33 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    And I’d be more excited if we had some Kenjon Coffee.

  134. 134 GermanEagle said at 5:39 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Why?! His career rushing average of 3.3 might be mediocre but he’s a very good kick returner. I wouldn’t mind him for a 7th rounder.

  135. 135 ACViking said at 3:50 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    I had heard Miami & Philly inquiring about Knile Davis, doesnt mean they were the only teams.— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) March 31, 2016

  136. 136 Joe Minx said at 3:51 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Ugh. I hope not.

  137. 137 Sean Stott said at 3:52 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Complete tautology.

    “Team A might be interested, but doesn’t mean all other teams aren’t interested”. Can literally be said about anything and always be true.

  138. 138 Joe Minx said at 3:54 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Points to you for using the word tautology.

  139. 139 A_T_G said at 4:54 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Sean’s comment might be true, but that doesn’t mean ACV’s is not.

    Oh I like that. That has so many uses.

    I might plan to watch the game alone tonight, but that doesn’t mean the guys won’t stop by.

    I might stay late to work on the report, sir, but that doesn’t mean it will be finished tomorrow.

    I might not have cleaned up the kitchen, but that doesn’t mean I plan on getting it later.

    So many applications.

  140. 140 ChoTime said at 5:26 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Thank you for fighting the good fight against substandard vocabulary.

  141. 141 Tdoteaglefan said at 5:17 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Stefan wisnieski (sp) apparently came in for a visit today

  142. 142 Media Mike said at 5:21 PM on March 31st, 2016:


  143. 143 Greg Richards said at 5:25 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    At LG.

  144. 144 Media Mike said at 5:26 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    AND Center.

  145. 145 Sean Stott said at 5:20 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    If Goff/Wentz are available at #8, can we fleece another team?

    Something like Buffalo gave up to get Sammy Watkins, a 2016 1st round pick in the teens + 2017 1st round pick?

    I feel we’re in a great spot. Either QBs drop (which I honestly doubt), and we can fleece another team or possibly pick up a franchise QB (Goff has grown on me, tiny hands and all), OR if both QBs are taken then we should still be able to get an elite player.

  146. 146 Media Mike said at 5:21 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    What if Goff falls to us AND he’s the elite player?

  147. 147 Sean Stott said at 5:22 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    He very well may be. What if the Rams offered their 2016 1st round pick (#15) as well as their 2017 1st rounder though?

  148. 148 Media Mike said at 5:23 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    I’d still want Goff. If he’s as good as I think he is, he gives you 5 years of below market salary and allows you to move on from Bradford after the year. I don’t trade that away.

  149. 149 Sean Stott said at 5:26 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    That’s true, getting out of Bradford deal would certainly free up some room.

  150. 150 Anders said at 5:47 AM on April 1st, 2016:

    A franchise qb is worth way more than that

  151. 151 FairOaks said at 5:27 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    There’s actually a WR from the German Football League trying to get drafted:


    and after his pro day, the talk is that could actually happen — maybe even a mid-round pick.


    Looks like he’s 6’4″, 225 pounds, and runs a 4.40 40-yard dash. Had very good stats as a young rookie in that league, but … yikes, talk about projection. I wonder what the equivalent would be… maybe not even Division III level. Definitely would be a fun UDFA but once that type of guy gets to costing a pick, dunno. Would be a great story though and sure sounds like he’d at least stick on a practice squad if not more. The Eagles are not listed as one of the teams as being at the pro day or being particularly interested, but the Patriots and Chiefs are among those that are.

  152. 152 Sean Stott said at 5:32 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    I think I’m over the whole ‘measurables’ thing when it comes to WRs. At this point, someone who could catch a roll of toiler paper would be appreciated, I don’t care if they’re 5’4″, 120 lbs, and run a 5.5

  153. 153 A_T_G said at 7:02 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    DeSean Cooper-Austin?

  154. 154 GermanEagle said at 5:37 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    German football league is the bestest!

  155. 155 ACViking said at 5:41 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Here’s a photo of this guy at the Pro Day . . . natural hands catcher:


  156. 156 Insomniac said at 5:42 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Needs to fully extend those arms if you want to catch it away from your body.

  157. 157 ChoTime said at 6:06 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Maybe he’s in the process of extending them.

  158. 158 Insomniac said at 6:10 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    with the ball like 2 feet at max in front of him? I doubt it.

  159. 159 ACViking said at 5:42 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    And working out in prep for the pro day:

  160. 160 GermanEagle said at 5:46 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Plays fast!!


  161. 161 anon said at 8:32 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    haha looks like a HS video where one guy is just clearly more athletically gifted.

  162. 162 GermanEagle said at 2:25 PM on April 1st, 2016:

    True dat. I’m still rooting for this guy. Would be awesome.

  163. 163 truehaynes said at 1:38 AM on April 1st, 2016:

    How do I go play in this league? I would tear it up

  164. 164 GermanEagle said at 2:25 PM on April 1st, 2016:

    I almost did. If it wasn’t for graduating from college and a separated elbow.

  165. 165 A_T_G said at 6:59 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    A German Eagle? Who ever heard of such a thing. Preposterous.

  166. 166 GermanEagle said at 8:30 PM on March 31st, 2016:


  167. 167 Media Mike said at 8:33 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    I saw one once!


  168. 168 D3FB said at 6:16 AM on April 1st, 2016:

    Level of Competition:

    From a physical size standpoint looking at his teams roster, they seem to be roughly the size of a D3 school.

    I had a couple of former college teammates go play in the German league for a year. West Chesters all time leading rusher plays in the French league.

    Basically from what I’ve gathered talking to some of these guys, physically from a HWS standpoint it’s the equivalent of small school college football. The bigger issue is that from an understanding of the game level it’s more on par with High School or Semi-Pro. The years of being immersed in the sport and second nature mental aspects just aren’t there.

  169. 169 Rockedupeaglesfan said at 9:37 PM on April 2nd, 2016:

    Osunde? Is that who you were referring to?

  170. 170 D3FB said at 8:04 AM on April 3rd, 2016:


  171. 171 Rockedupeaglesfan said at 8:33 AM on April 3rd, 2016:

    The West Chester RB?

  172. 172 D3FB said at 7:36 AM on April 4th, 2016:

    Rondell White

  173. 173 A_T_G said at 8:01 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    If Danny Watkins was still interested in football, he would probably find this troubling.


  174. 174 Media Mike said at 8:18 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Hopefully Stanley falls (if we don’t take him) and the Giants take Decker or Conklin instead.

  175. 175 oreofestar said at 9:13 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    I hate not having a second round pick >_<

  176. 176 bushisamoron said at 9:56 PM on March 31st, 2016:

    Reid liked a lot of crappy QB’s. He got McNabb right but after that his influence in our drafting is what punched his ticket out of here. I think when you are drafting in the top ten unless you have a bonafide franchise QB (Mariotta, Bortles, etc) that you just drafted-or else why would you be picking in the top ten, you have GOT to strongly consider the QB selection. Laurie and Roseman and probably Peterson know this. Bradford is ok but the length of his deal tells the story. I see a trade up and might see Barwin, next year picks etc to go up to get the QB they want. Dallas should do the same from #4 but I doubt they will.

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