Eagles Draft Talk

Posted: March 13th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 328 Comments »

The big bucks have been spent. There will be some more pro personnel moves, but the draft really takes center stage from here on out. With that in mind, let’s talk about the Eagles and the draft.

Let’s start with some visits and workout info. Pro Days have started and that means coaches and scouts are traveling the country to look at specific prospects. Knowing that a scout was at the Alabama Pro Day isn’t a big deal. Everyone goes there. If the Eagles have a scout at the Alabama State Pro Day, that’s more interesting. You really pay attention when a positional coach goes to a Pro Day. That shows special interest. Or if the Eagles have multiple personnel there. That shows interest.

Visits to Philly really mean something. Those are players of serious interest. Not all visits go well, though. Last year a player was taken off the draft board last year after his visit to the NovaCare. This is basically a job interview. Some are great, some aren’t.

There is only one visit we know of so far.

Marlon Humphrey is a 6-0, 197 CB from Bama. He ran 4.41 in Indy and is an aggressive, physical player. His highlights are fun.



The problem is that I don’t think his cover skills are so good that he’s worth pick 14. Humphrey had a great Combine so there is no questioning his athleticism. You can see he is physical. There are times when he gets lost in coverage. He doesn’t always show good instincts. I like Humphrey, just not at 14.

The Eagles went out to the Washington Huskies Pro Day recently. They had a 1-on-1 workout with Elijah Qualls, a 6-1, 313 pound DT who can play the run, but is also athletic. You can see where Qualls would make sense in the Jim Schwartz scheme.


That isn’t your typical DT. He is athletic and shows good pass rush ability. Schwartz covets those qualities. Qualls lacks ideal height, but there is a lot else to like and you can bet that will keep him on the Eagles radar.

Draft analyst Rob Rang also noted here that the Eagles are one of the teams showing the most interest in explosive WR John Ross. The Eagles shored up WR for 2017, but Ross would give them a long term deep threat. You may recall he recently ran the fastest 40 in the history of the Combine. And he’s not just fast. Ross is a good WR.

The Eagles have a private workout set up with Temple RB Jahad Thomas. He’s more of a late round type. Thomas is 5-10, 190 and only runs in the 4.6 range. You want smaller backs like that to be more explosive. He is a gifted runner.

The Eagles had multiple people at the Oklahoma State Pro Day. According to draft analyst Tony Pauline, TEs coach Justin Peelle was there to workout Blake Jarwin. He goes 6-5, 246 and is an athletic pass catcher. He didn’t post gaudy numbers in college, but that offense doesn’t always feed the ball to the TE. Jarwin is a late round type of prospect. The Eagles could use a TE to develop since this is probably the final season for Brent Celek.

The Eagles also had their eye on RB Chris Carson. He is a really interesting prospect. Carson is 6-0, 218 and ran 4.50 in Indy. He had a 37-inch vertical. That’s the kind of straight line speed and explosion you want in a bigger back. He only had 82 carries this year, but averaged 6.8 yards per carry and had 9 TDs. That’s making the most out of your opportunities. This is a strong RB class so Carson is going to be pushed down. He is an intriguing mid to late-round prospect.


328 Comments on “Eagles Draft Talk”

  1. 1 scratcherk said at 8:30 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    I think you can’t go into the draft with the glaring holes we have at CB. Gotta add a couple guys in FA…

  2. 2 eagleyankfan said at 8:56 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Can’t sign “couple” of anything without freeing up cap…which might be starting – right..about…now…

  3. 3 GordonGekko said at 8:24 PM on March 14th, 2017:

    “WE”? Another fantasy moron thinking he works/plays for the Eagles.

  4. 4 Eagles Draft Talk - said at 8:42 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    […] Tommy Lawlor The big bucks have been spent. There will be some more pro personnel moves, but the draft really […]

  5. 5 Corry said at 8:47 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    OT: Nick Foles returning to Philly on a 2 year deal. No word on Daniel.

  6. 6 Anders said at 8:52 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    you forgot Pro Bowl MVP Nick Foles

  7. 7 Corry said at 8:55 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    I think most of us did.

  8. 8 scratcherk said at 8:59 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    HOF QB Nick Foles

  9. 9 Fufina said at 8:55 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Love me some Nick Foles. As Schefter tweeted it probably means they have a trade for Chase in place.

  10. 10 eagleyankfan said at 9:01 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    can’t wait to see who the idiot, I mean, gm who’s trading for that contract…Does someone really think he can be a starter?

  11. 11 Ryan Rambo said at 9:05 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Vikings?? LOL….I kid, I kid.

  12. 12 Tom33 said at 9:14 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    J-E-T-S is my bet.

  13. 13 scratcherk said at 9:21 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    its a pretty affordable contract… esp with mike glennon getting 15 mil…

  14. 14 GordonGekko said at 8:27 PM on March 14th, 2017:


  15. 15 Insomniac said at 8:55 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    He’s here to teach Wentz to not throw off of his back foot right?

  16. 16 Anders said at 8:57 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Wentz throwing mechanics+Nick Foles off the back foot ? What can go wrong?

  17. 17 Crus57 said at 10:00 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    maybe he can teach Wentz how to run like a baby giraffe?

  18. 18 Insomniac said at 10:21 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    No please.

  19. 19 D3FB said at 10:35 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    “So Carson what you want to do is take a 7 step drop, and then another one, and another one, and another one and then throw the ball 50 yards in the air for a 7 yard completion”

  20. 20 Sb2bowl said at 11:16 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    At least he has the arm strength to get it there………..

  21. 21 Insomniac said at 12:31 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    “Look Carson I know Agholor has dropped 80% of your catches but you have to believe in him. Look at the connection me and Riley Cooper had, just chuck it up to him man”

  22. 22 Crus57 said at 12:32 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    “Maybe it would help if you told him that the pigs the balls are made from are white? I dunno man, just going from past experience.”

  23. 23 Insomniac said at 12:35 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Someone must have told Cooper that the balls aren’t black.

  24. 24 ChoTime said at 11:48 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Yes, my boy!

  25. 25 P_P_K said at 8:48 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Great stuff, Tommy, thanks.

  26. 26 CrackSammich said at 9:05 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    FOles returns, I guess.

  27. 27 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 9:14 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Foles move is a good one. He’s a perfect back-up. Hopefully we don’t play a whole season with Daniels/Foles, in a Howie Roseman game of chicken though…

  28. 28 anon said at 9:39 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    yes, howie’s on a tightrope

  29. 29 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 10:27 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    It’s like he’s trying to prove something lol. This has been wild.

  30. 30 D3FB said at 10:34 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    He’s gonna sign Hankins to a 40 million dollar deal at this point just to screw with people

  31. 31 CrackSammich said at 9:45 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Stop doubting Howie. It only makes him sign more players to prove you wrong.

  32. 32 GordonGekko said at 7:59 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    It’s not “WE” dickhead. You don’t work for them little DICK.

  33. 33 Ryan Rambo said at 9:15 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Joe Banner‏Verified account @JoeBanner13 2m2 minutes ago

    Daniels to Browns makes sense

  34. 34 RobNE said at 12:18 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    yes! for all their picks!!

  35. 35 Ryan Rambo said at 9:16 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    NFL Draft Diamonds‏ @DraftDiamonds 14s15 seconds ago

    Browns could trade for Chase Daniel, Jets could, Saints could, Tons of options out there

  36. 36 Sb2bowl said at 9:19 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Looks like they shored up the backup position to Wentz with FOles back on the team; guess that means that they are happy with Wentzs’ progress in the offense and no longer view Chase as a necessity.

  37. 37 Tom33 said at 9:24 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    I look at it like Chase was here to teach Carson the offense last year. Now they bring in Nick to help with teaching how to be a starter, especially in Philly. Kind of like going to the next year in school…

  38. 38 anon said at 9:39 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    that’s laughable, they got foles b/c they probably don’t have to pay him and he’s a known commodity.

  39. 39 A Roy said at 11:21 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Upvote for GEagle spelling.

  40. 40 Sb2bowl said at 11:29 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Was HOping someone would catch that!

  41. 41 scratcherk said at 9:22 AM on March 13th, 2017:


    Chase for FUller?

  42. 42 anon said at 9:38 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    why do we want fuller again? Oh b/c we’re good at developing CBs, i forgot.

  43. 43 Corry said at 9:41 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    It would be like having an extra first round pick.

  44. 44 CrackSammich said at 9:42 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    I’m not sure if you’re serious or sarcastic, and both make me angry in different ways.

  45. 45 meteorologist said at 7:53 PM on March 13th, 2017:


  46. 46 scratcherk said at 10:21 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    I was wondering the same thing, actually. I know he had a good rookie season. But if the bears, who are not exactly stacked at corner, have given up on him, then I dunno. I obviously dont know enough to do any tape eval of him.

  47. 47 D3FB said at 10:33 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Sooooo just play Mills and Grymes and wait until we can pay $25 million next year for a pair of average starting CBS?

  48. 48 Mitchell said at 9:25 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    I really like Foles when he was here. It became clear he wasnt a starter but I still loved the guy. This is gonna be my favorite qb tandem by far. Welcome back RaINmakER!!!! Howard is KILLING this offseason thus far.

  49. 49 Howie Littlefinger said at 9:26 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Blake Jarwin? Really Thats his name?

    We need this guy to be an Eagle!

  50. 50 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 9:31 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Sounds like one of those randomly generated Star Wars character names

  51. 51 Corry said at 9:31 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Field Yates reporting that the Birds turned $3.225M of Ertz’s base salary into guaranteed roster bonus freeing up $2.58M in cap space.

  52. 52 FairOaks said at 10:25 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    I assume that means a signing bonus? A roster bonus is accrued fully to the cap the year it is paid. A signing bonus gets prorated, which sounds like that one is (if it was a 2018 roster bonus, we’d save the full amount).

  53. 53 Corry said at 9:48 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Thinking about the Foles signing, i think I definitely like having him as the backup more than Daniel. If Wentz goes down for a stretch, I have more confidence in Foles can win us a game or 2. I just never had that confidence in Daniel (and I don’t see how anyone could really). He seems to have the mental aspect down, but just doesn’t have the physical capability to put it all together.

  54. 54 ChoTime said at 11:50 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Foles gets pretty wild, but he’s a gamer. More than you can say about a a lot of QBs.

  55. 55 GordonGekko said at 9:52 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    This article is the equivalent of me writing that I took a shit today, but you assholes would love it and donate money to me.

  56. 56 Richard O'Connor said at 10:01 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    What does dog semen look like after it passes through your system?

  57. 57 GordonGekko said at 10:02 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    It looks the same as in your mouth after it’s deposited from giving a bowjob to this loser writer of this website

  58. 58 Dumd said at 10:09 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Go away then loser.

  59. 59 GordonGekko said at 10:18 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Learn to write properly, loser.

  60. 60 Dumd said at 11:05 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Why don’t you create a blog then Shakespeare. As we are obviously missing out of your writing so, so much.

  61. 61 GordonGekko said at 12:32 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    I like to piss off DICKHEADS like you.

  62. 62 Corry said at 9:56 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Sorry to flood the board folks, but a new twist: Tim McManus reporting that Chase Daniel has asked for his release and is expected to be granted today. That’s a $6M cap hit I believe.

  63. 63 Dave said at 10:01 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    He saw Mike Glennon get $16M and no chance to start. I think Wentz didn’t actually need him either.



  64. 64 BobSmith77 said at 10:03 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    One of the dumbest FA contract signings by an Eagles’ GM of the past 25 years.

  65. 65 FairOaks said at 10:42 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Not even close. He was paid appropriately last year, for a good backup. He knew the system, which is quite valuable in a coach’s first year. He was scheduled to be overpaid this year, but if the Eagles get out of it with small cap consequences, then no harm no foul. I think Roseman structures the contracts knowing he can get out of what looks like an overpay if needed (the Bradford contract was most definitely structured that way).

    Much like Pederson himself with McNabb, we may not have enjoyed seeing him on the field (and really Daniel didn’t play enough to really know), but he was quite valuable for that season. But I guess he’s served that purpose. Eagles would be fine letting him go but would need to find a way to save most of the cap space of the guaranteed money.

  66. 66 Gary Barnes said at 11:45 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    He was brought in due to Pederson knowing him and knowledge of the offense even though he had barely played at the NFL level in it or any other offense. He is a weak QB and certainly overpaid for his role. Not a huge mistake, but more a bone thrown to Pederson who thought he needed a security blanket for Wentz. Roseman now moving him out shows he understood Daniel was superfluous. That reflects well on Roseman IMO.

  67. 67 FairOaks said at 1:47 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    He was far from superfluous last year. Daniels had a lot of interest from other teams, as he was considered around the top of the market for backup QBs, and as a free agent that means he was going to get paid at that full rate. His salary for last year was in that perfectly reasonable range.

    Having a QB that knows a new coaches system — either as as starter or backup — is quite valuable that first year. Secondly, when we signed him we didn’t even have Bradford signed, so we couldn’t even count on that — he was a hedge against being able to sign Bradford. Once that happened, he was a backup. Being able to get Wentz was a *far* from certain thing at that point. Once we got him, having Daniel made trading Bradford possible (don’t think you want to go into a season with a rookie QB with utter garbage as backup QB).

    To get all those benefits, Roseman had to overpay, which was in the form of a too-high 2017 guaranteed salary. But, that means he has the ability to trade or otherwise get out of it possibly a year later, which he appears to be doing. I did question if the structure would allow him to be tradable, but if Daniel is willing to sacrifice a bit to get to a better situation, that may be enough.

  68. 68 Ankerstjernen said at 10:05 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    If there is offset language in the contract, that cap hit probably never happens. He is sure to get a job somewhere, and whatever he gets paid there is taken off of the eagles books. Just too bad if we cannot recoup a late round pick.

  69. 69 Corry said at 10:06 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    yeah I edited the original post to include the offset language.

  70. 70 Fufina said at 10:10 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Daniel could have waived his guaranteed money to get released. I think there was a market for him for a late round pick, but Chase may have asked to be released, and to waive his guaranteed money so he can find the best situation for him.

  71. 71 Ankerstjernen said at 10:29 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    If he agrees to that, it must mean that he is certain he will get a contract in that same ballpark – or more. Which of course he will if he gets anywhere close to competing for at starting job. But then again, if any team out there is ready to bring him in as a possible starter, he should have trade value, and his and the eagles goals would be the same.

  72. 72 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 10:28 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Jesus what is happening Howie

  73. 73 FairOaks said at 10:33 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Right, but if Daniel is only going to get his $5 million anyways, another team would simply pay the minimum — all the same to Daniel. Now if Daniel’s market is above $5 million, then we’d save all of that. It’s possible that Daniel will agree to reduce the guarantee below his market in order to be a free agent (i.e. to pick his team), to ensure the Eagles save the entire cap hit for the guaranteed salary, if he’s pretty sure he can get in the same ballpark anyways. We will have a cap hit of at least $1 million no matter what.

  74. 74 BobSmith77 said at 10:03 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Quarterback Nick Foles returns to Eagles on two-year deal



  75. 75 kajomo said at 10:07 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    I don’t get the Marlon Humphrey love. I agree with tommy that he is not worth the 14th pick. He benefitted from the best DL in CFB and still managed to give up 19+ypc. To me he has bust written all over him. I want a guy that can mirror and contest passes. That just isn’t Humphrey’s game.

    2 guys I see regularly undervalued are Gareon Conley and Kevin King. Both are legitimate 1st round picks with natural coverage and ball skills. I like Conley more than Eli Apple from last year. Kevin King probably has more upside of any CB in this draft outside of Lattimore.

  76. 76 Mitchell said at 10:43 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    -20 years old -Great size, speed, 3 cone – Will make splash plays -Can and will mirror -Gareon Conley and Kevin King both play behind good DL as well -Where was the YPC stat? I couldn’t find it. If he gives up less catches but gives away a few big ones, is that better or worse that Lattimore who will not give up the big one but A TON of underneath stuff? -Will play better in zone early in career

  77. 77 D3FB said at 10:49 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    -Wasn’t CB2 on his own team

  78. 78 kajomo said at 12:23 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    That’s faulty logic. Kam chancellor isn’t the best safety on his team, is he not a pro bowl player? Navarro Bowman played next to Patrick Willis. Derrius Guice plays with Fournette. Tyron Smith was drafted later than Matt Kalil.

    I know your a fan and I want to like him, but something just screams to me that he is going to struggle. I can’t shake that feeling no matter how much I watch him. We have completely failed to develope CBs the last several years. Humphrey just feels like too much of a risk for a team that needs to hit on 2 CBs.

  79. 79 meteorologist said at 7:53 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Great points

  80. 80 kajomo said at 11:42 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    I will see if I can find the stat. I read it recently.

    I don’t think he mirrors all that well. He is a bit long legged. I like guys that contest everything. Humphrey either has coverage or his guy is wide open. The other two mirror better and get their hands on more passes. That translates better to the NFL.

  81. 81 kajomo said at 12:41 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    The stat was on his combine page. I knew I read it somewhere and it stuck out to me as kind of crazy. That is a really poor number. Either side of the fence you fall on he is no slam dunk prospect. I don’t know that there is a DB more people are split on then Humphrey at this point.


  82. 82 Mitchell said at 2:39 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    From what I watched this year, I didnt see the long balls. I think its more of a case of 3 catches for 60 yards rather than 9 catches for 180 yards. You see where Im coming from?

  83. 83 kajomo said at 3:07 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    I do get what you are saying, but I think you are giving him too much credit. Nobody moved the ball against Bama this year. It wasn’t because Humphrey as shutting down his side of the field. They dominated the LOS. That greatly helped the back end of that defense. Even more so than with Washington or OSU.

    There is no denying that he has intriguing physical tools. I’m a big SPARQ guy and normally love those guys. Something about Humphrey is just off for me.

    Howie always says that draft decisions are a team effort. We are split, the media is split, I think some in the eagles organization will be split on Humphrey. With the CB depth available this year why force anything. Move on to a guy that everyone is comfortable with even if he has a bit of a lower ceiling. We need to hit on CBs this year.

  84. 84 Insomniac said at 12:43 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    I think his argument is that Bama like 5 guys on that front seven that will be drafted this year. That’s better than OSU and Washington this year.

  85. 85 meteorologist said at 7:51 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    To your 2nd to last point: Worse. We need to stop giving up big plays

  86. 86 BobSmith77 said at 10:11 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    You know the second that Buzz Bissinger found out Foles was coming to the Eagles again he was going to write an article on how Foles is going to ruin Wentz.

    Bissinger’s article in Philadelphia Magazine largely did turn out to be fairly poignant but it almost seemed like it was personal with Bissinger in his criticism of Foles in interviews I heard. Crossed the line at times between personal behavior and ethics of a reporter into more sensationalist and trashy sports talk radio realm material.

  87. 87 Rellihcs said at 10:37 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Buzz is a schmuck.

  88. 88 BobSmith77 said at 10:16 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Foles is an upgrade over Daniel but this just goes to the fact that the Daniel signing was a horrendous signing even at the time by Roseman.

    I heard it was to placate Pederson and that the Eagles needed a backup to Bradford. If Roseman is in charge, then he didn’t need to throw any bones to a rookie and inexperience head coach in Pederson. Yeah they needed a backup but there were other cheaper veteran options available on 1-year deals too.

  89. 89 D3FB said at 10:21 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    And I have it on good authority that Chase was a huge help to Carson in year one.

  90. 90 BobSmith77 said at 10:22 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    If that was the case though, I find it pretty odd that at least one of the Eagles’ writers would have picked up on that or that the Eagles wouldn’t have thrown Daniel a bone by telling one of the beat guys & setting that story in motion.

  91. 91 D3FB said at 10:39 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    So if there isn’t a fluff piece, it doesn’t exist.

  92. 92 BobSmith77 said at 10:42 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Doesn’t need to be a fluff piece if there is something there and Wentz himself can provide a little substance & several quotes.

  93. 93 D3FB said at 10:48 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    I’ll just say we’re not arguing in an information equilibrium and call it a day.

  94. 94 BobSmith77 said at 10:59 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Fair enough. I don’t have any inside resources nor pretend to.

  95. 95 Jernst said at 10:47 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    There were a couple stories about how Chase Daniel personally took Carson under his wing and implemented the same QB/Backup QB weekly schedule of film study that he had with Drew Brees back in the day. So, there were, you just didn’t read them.

  96. 96 ChoTime said at 11:54 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Do you really need a backup QB with very little experience himself to serve as QB coach, except 1000X as expensive?

  97. 97 D3FB said at 12:02 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Relationship dynamic and time. Sure you learn most things from a teacher, but sometthings work best coming from an older brother.

    In the end we’ll probably end up on the hook for about 8 million dollars for one season of backup pay. Or about the cost of a Stephen Tulloch over the backup QB market. There are worse things in the world and if he in any way helped lead to Wentz becoming a franchise QB, he was worth every penny.

  98. 98 Ryan Rambo said at 10:16 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Geoff Mosher Retweeted
    Spotrac‏Verified account @spotrac 17m17 minutes ago

    If released, Chase Daniel’s $5M guaranteed salary does contain offsets, meaning his next salary will be subtracted from #Eagles dead cap.

  99. 99 Sb2bowl said at 11:21 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    So what happens if a team doesn’t sign him until August? I’m guessing we don’t get the additional cap relief until that point.

    Seems unlikely, especially within this QB market- hopefully he signs quickly. Too bad we couldn’t get a pick out of it, but that’s one way to stay in the “positive” side of player designated landing spots.

  100. 100 scratcherk said at 10:24 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Ertz restructured to save ~3 mil this year

  101. 101 scratcherk said at 10:24 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    So even with offset language, the cap space savings wont be til 2018??

  102. 102 scratcherk said at 10:34 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    so only 1 mil savings this year. 6 mil next year. We are going to have a boatload of money next year

  103. 103 Jernst said at 10:45 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Expect about $50M in cap space next year if this really is Peters’ last season.

  104. 104 FairOaks said at 10:47 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Peters cap number next year is actually slightly less than this year. All of a sudden, Peters’ numbers don’t look all that bad, considering what other OLmen are getting right now. Fletcher Cox’ contract on the other hand… gets into QB money range starting next year (18 million) and doesn’t let up (> 20 million starting 2019). That could force a restructure at some point.

  105. 105 D3FB said at 10:51 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Matt Kalil making $11 mil a year

  106. 106 Jernst said at 10:58 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    I’m honestly fine with Peters making the money that he’s making if he continues to defy age. $11M next year for a LT of his caliber is extremely reasonable. But, since he’ll be 36-37 years old and can’t play forever, and many people have speculated that this will be his last year, I ran the cap numbers without him in 2018 and we’re somewhere between $50-60M depending on how free agency and the draft works out, probably more around $50M. If Peters stays for another year then we’ll be more around $38-40M.

    Either way, everyone freaked out that all those contracts Howie gave out last year put us in a bind this year cap-wise, but they failed to look down the road. Even with Cox making QB money next year and keeping Peters for another year we’ll have $30M in cap space no problem with the vast majority of the team locked up long term.

  107. 107 FairOaks said at 11:11 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Did you include the 4.5 million in Jeffery’s incentives which I assume will probably accrue to next year’s cap? And the Ertz adjustment will also add a million or so next year too. Roseman may also not be done shifting money. But yes, next year’s cap looks a lot healthier than this year’s. The next year though you probably have to factor in space for Wentz, which I assume will be 25 million+.

  108. 108 Jernst said at 12:01 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    I did not include any recent moves and their effect on next years cap. This is just a very rough look at what would be there next year pending the obvious cuts.

  109. 109 CrackSammich said at 11:51 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    We should probably start rolling over $5-10mil/yr cap to pay for the batshit money wee’re going to have to throw at Wentz. History shows that even if he’s mediocre he’s going to make more than Mike Glennon’s $15mil.

  110. 110 Jernst said at 12:03 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    That is very true!

  111. 111 FairOaks said at 10:35 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Not sure why we wouldn’t save it this year. The contract would be known before the season starts, so the Eagles would never pay the guaranteed money (or portion of the guaranteed money). Not sure why that would still accrue to this year’s cap.

  112. 112 scratcherk said at 10:37 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    not sure, beyond my paygrade

  113. 113 GermanEagle said at 10:37 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    $7m gtd for FLOLes?!

    Lol, is Howie drunk?

  114. 114 Rellihcs said at 10:39 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    And we learned with the previous Eagles free agent signings this year that trusting initial contract details put out by agents is wise.


  115. 115 Tumtum said at 10:56 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    We can’t be keeping Daniel now..

  116. 116 Sb2bowl said at 12:34 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Think of it this way- FOles has more career passes in 3 games than Daniel did in 7 years. If Wentz gets hurt, at least we have something to work off of going forward. I trust FOles as a backup more than I trust Daniel.

    If it takes $7m guaranteed for 2 years of potential service, I’m alright with it- especially considering what Wentz is making.

  117. 117 Rellihcs said at 10:38 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    It seems like to me, as fans, we’re wasting time trying to do Howie’s cap crunching math. We have a wizard doing that for the team, yet many fans want to try to figure it out as if they are privy to the same level of info and detailed wizardry. If we had a bad GM in terms of this particular stuff that would be one thing.

    But for example, if I had Tom Brady on my pickup football team, I wouldn’t be suggesting routes or questioning his playbook…

  118. 118 BobSmith77 said at 10:43 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Doesn’t matter if ‘Howie is a salary cap wizard’ if it was an ill-advised or foolish contract to begin with.

    Conflating 2 different topics – Roseman’s ability to manage the cap effectively and Roseman’s decision to acquire & sign a player.

  119. 119 Mitchell said at 10:44 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Did you hate the Daniels signing?

  120. 120 BobSmith77 said at 10:45 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Yes and the Curry signing. Indifferent to McLeod too but his cap number was lower & the Eagles needed a starter there last year.

  121. 121 FairOaks said at 11:16 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    The Curry signing is a good one to debate. We all liked keeping him in Schwartz’ defense, but they probably had to make a choice last year between Curry and Logan, and they may have made the wrong one.

  122. 122 Sb2bowl said at 11:22 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Curry offers more rushing from inside compared to Logan; it’s not optimum, but lining him and Cox up as a 1 and 3 technique should generate good push in the middle on obvious passing downs.

  123. 123 CrackSammich said at 11:49 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    That’s really just wasting Cox at the 1, though, and if Curry needs to be there to succeed at the expense of your franchise player, there’s the door, Vinny.

  124. 124 Sb2bowl said at 11:58 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    I’d put Cox at the 3, lined up over the Guard. Vinny’s quickness will be able to shoot the gap between Guard/Center on the opposite side

  125. 125 CrackSammich said at 12:09 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Stick them both at 3 or 5 and then you end up wasting Hicks in the A gap. I’m not saying there aren’t workarounds to get them both on the field at the same time, but what it basically comes down to is that Graham is a better DE than Curry, and Cox a better DT, and there is way too much money going to a player that’s going to displace one of those two just to get him snaps.

  126. 126 Sb2bowl said at 12:16 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    I’m not disagreeing, it isn’t optimum and obviously I’m only talking about obvious passing situations.

    Curry and Cox inside make a good combo- Graham on one side and (gasp!) maybe Marcus Smith rushing against the left tackle. Maybe his “get up and go” can give him an edge around the corner, maybe not.

    Our line isn’t in great shape, despite the money invested. I sort of hope Logan signs for a 1-2 year deal and we reevaluate as we free up more money.

  127. 127 FairOaks said at 10:44 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    No, but Daniel was not. The 2017 cap hit was the only questionable part of that signing, and if Roseman gets out of it, then perfect.

  128. 128 Jernst said at 10:43 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Ain’t that the truth. How many of us amateur cap-ologists thought we could sign Alshon Jeffery, Torrey Smith, Wisneiski, and Chance Warmack and fit it all under our cap by just releasing Barwin?

  129. 129 ChoTime said at 11:56 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    It seems that people think NFL salary caps sort of work like personal expenses and income and misapply irrelevant principles.

  130. 130 bill said at 10:44 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    I was trying to do the math last week because it seemed to guarantee that Chase was headed elsewhere – it seemed to be the only way the numbers would work. But, at this point, I certainly trust Howie knows what he’s doing (which doesn’t mean he can’t make a mistake, but that he has a well thought out plan).

  131. 131 RobNE said at 12:24 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    actually we probably would be.

  132. 132 Ryan Rambo said at 10:57 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Jeff McLane‏Verified account @Jeff_McLane 1m1 minute ago

    Alshon Jeffery WILL wear No. 17 with the #Eagles, despite what he said about Nelson Agholor keeping it. No word on what NA will wear.

  133. 133 Sb2bowl said at 10:58 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    He couldn’t even hang on to his number…….

  134. 134 HawaiianEagle said at 11:01 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    He needs to catch a break…

  135. 135 Corry said at 1:02 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    He’d probably drop it anyhow.

  136. 136 ChoTime said at 11:57 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    In other news, Alshon Jeffery WILL be taking possession of Nelson Agholor’s girlfriend and parking space.

  137. 137 Sb2bowl said at 11:59 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    He’s already found the strip club?

  138. 138 Ryan Rambo said at 10:58 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Jeff McLane‏Verified account @Jeff_McLane 57s57 seconds ago

    #Eagles just announced that Nelson Agholor will wear lucky No. 13.

  139. 139 BobSmith77 said at 10:59 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Can an NFL player were ’00?’

  140. 140 Julescat said at 11:09 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    besides Jim Otto?

  141. 141 Gary Barnes said at 11:55 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Heard DGB is looking into it

  142. 142 A_T_G said at 12:00 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Great, he should have an answer by 2024 or so.

  143. 143 Ankerstjernen said at 1:37 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Best comment of the day sir.

  144. 144 Gary Barnes said at 7:45 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Thanks for slamming my alley oop pass…was hoping someone witty would do so, well played

  145. 145 Dave said at 11:04 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    He choose a new number because he thinks he can be 25% better this year. He is looking to improve from his 17 major mistakes last year (dropped passes, incorrectly lining up off the line of scrimmage, allowing DB to intercept a ball, etc.) to just 13 this year.

  146. 146 Insomniac said at 12:25 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    A shutdown WR deserves a good number.

  147. 147 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 11:06 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    So w/ obvious cuts/trades (Daniels, Kendricks, Kelce, Ron Brooks) and retirements (Peters/Celek), the Eagles would have something like $40 million in cap space next year. Obviously this is without a draft class/future signings. But that’s…surprising.


  148. 148 Jernst said at 11:54 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    This was the genius of Howie’s spending spree last year that went unnoticed. Just as Wentz hits his prime and should be ready to compete for a title, we will have the vast majority of our core already locked up on what will appear in a few years to be bargains based on how contract figures keep going up, and we’ll have $40+M in cap space to add those last few luxury items that put us over the top.

    I know Howie isn’t perfect, but he traded up to the top of the draft and got us our franchise QB without having to give up a future first (he recouped it by keeping Bradford to use as a trade piece), locked up a pretty decent young core (Jenkins, Cox, Ertz, Johnson, McLeod, Brooks, Curry and Graham) and set up the cap structure to give us $40-50M in cap space available just as Wentz hits his prime. That’s about as good a GM performance as you can have.

  149. 149 ChoTime said at 11:59 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    No, as good as capology as you can have. GMs are also responsible for stocking the team with talent.

  150. 150 Jernst said at 12:18 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    I guess McCleod, Hicks, Bradham, Brooks, Wentz, Seumalo, Jeffery, Smith, and Warmack in the last two years and extensions for Jenkins, Cox, Graham, Ertz, Sproles and Curry over the last two years just don’t count.

    I mean give the guy a chance to run the personnel side of things fully for a couple years before we call him a bad GM. The only draft that he ran fully as his own was our best draft in the last 15 years (Cox, Kendricks, Curry, Foles, Boykin) and the one that he was mostly in charge was our second best (Johnson, Ertz, Logan), before that was still Reid and Banner running things and after that it was mostly Chip making the calls. But, the two drafts he had been in full charge of running were the two best drafts this organization has seen in 15 years.

    Then he takes over last year and trades up for Wentz without mortgaging the future and seemingly hits on Seumalo as well as getting decent return later in the draft on Smallwood and Vaitai.

    I’d say when left to do his thing as a GM he’s doing a great job stocking the team with talent. As long as Reid/Banner don’t over-rule him to reach for 30 year old firefighters and Chip isn’t rearranging his draft board to fill the team full of choir boys or gutting the team of playmakers, he does just fine.

  151. 151 Mitchell said at 12:22 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    To call Howard a BAD GM is laughable.

  152. 152 ChoTime said at 7:10 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Who did?

  153. 153 kajomo said at 12:35 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Everyone acts like we’re the Browns or the Jaguars. We are not devoid of talent.

    The times when you can firmly say this offseason was all on Howie he has delivered positive results. I’m excited to see what Howie 2.0 can do over the next few years.

  154. 154 Insomniac said at 12:36 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    “Everyone acts like we’re the Browns or the Jaguars. We are not devoid of talent.”

    The people who thought Chip Kelly turned around that 4-12 team are driving that narrative.

  155. 155 ChoTime said at 7:10 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Howie, who’s been the GM for like 5 years now, brought in some talent, like the GMs of almost every other professional football team. The Eagles missed the playoffs and for most of the year didn’t look special at all. WHEN this team is stocked with above-average talent, THEN I will gladly give Howie credit for being an above-average GM. Until then, I’m going to be firmly neutral about him.

  156. 156 RogerPodacter said at 1:06 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    how many players would be on the roster with that 40 M in space? doesn’t count for much if we only have like 20 people signed haha.

  157. 157 CrackSammich said at 2:02 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Currently, we have 51 signed through 2018.

    (click on 2018 tab)

  158. 158 Gary Barnes said at 11:26 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Qualls reminds me of Trevor Laws, hopefully he pans out better.

  159. 159 Ryan Rambo said at 11:37 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Howard Eskin‏Verified account @howardeskin 45m45 minutes ago

    Chase Daniel tells me w release request from #eagles “Yes we did and it was mutual. I believe I’m a starter in this league” @SportsRadioWIP

  160. 160 A_T_G said at 11:43 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Off Chasing his dream. Good for him.

    Meanwhile, we sign his replacement in the Nick of time.

  161. 161 Dave said at 11:43 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Next thing you know, Agholor will insist he is a starter too.

  162. 162 Nick C said at 11:43 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Too much for Foles.

  163. 163 A_T_G said at 11:43 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    That is what Sanchez made a few years ago here. It seems par for a backup.

  164. 164 Rellihcs said at 11:44 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    Good point, and that’s without factoring the rise in the cap.

  165. 165 eagleyankfan said at 12:08 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Unless you are CM 🙂

  166. 166 A_T_G said at 11:58 AM on March 13th, 2017:

    So the offset language in Chase’s contract means that we get reimbursed on our cap what he gets paid by another team. We do not get reimbursed until next year, however.

    The 4.5 millions in incentives that Jeffrey could earn, that would also happen next year, correct? So releasing Chase could possibly pay for Alshon’s bonus?

  167. 167 D3FB said at 12:03 PM on March 13th, 2017:


  168. 168 FairOaks said at 2:07 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Why would it only accrue to the cap next year? Once he signs his new contract, the payments the Eagles need to make are reduced or removed, so why would they still accrue this year?

  169. 169 A_T_G said at 2:25 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    I don’t know why, but this is where I got it:

    Edit: Wait, there was another one. Still looking.

  170. 170 A_T_G said at 2:39 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Well, I can’t find it but that was the consensus belief.

  171. 171 FairOaks said at 3:39 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Well, when he is released, it’s listed as “dead cap” for this year. So if it’s subtracted from that, it would be for 2017.

  172. 172 FairOaks said at 3:56 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    The only thing I can think of is if his new contract is not guaranteed for this season for whatever reason, and he gets cut. That would then mean the Eagles would be responsible for the remainder amount in full. And salaries are not guaranteed until week 1 of the season, which may be too late to affect this year’s cap. So maybe it depends on if his new contract guarantees him 2017 salary (thus 100% removing the Eagles’ obligation), or if it may change depending on events during the season, in which case the cap will be charged the max amount, and we’d get credits next year, sort of like likely-to-be-earned bonuses.

  173. 173 Ryan Rambo said at 12:15 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Safety Jordan Poyer signed a 4-year deal with the Bills worth $13 million with $6 million guaranteed.

  174. 174 Mitchell said at 12:23 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Good for him!

  175. 175 Gary Barnes said at 7:49 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Are loyalists to the Ryan brothers still there? #BillsDeepState

  176. 176 RobNE said at 12:24 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    trying to read comments and the page keeps jumping to the very top. Just me?

  177. 177 A_T_G said at 12:47 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    I haven’t had any trouble.

  178. 178 Corry said at 12:58 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Happened to me too. It’s one of the ads on the right hand side. I refreshed the page and it stopped, but it’s super annoying.

  179. 179 Insomniac said at 12:48 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Jeremiah’s new top 50


  180. 180 scratcherk said at 1:02 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Hes not very high on Humphrey, many other corners in front of him.

  181. 181 Insomniac said at 1:17 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Humphrey is the guy that scouts are split on.

  182. 182 kajomo said at 1:53 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    If Takkarist McKinnley wasn’t going to be recovering from surgery for 4-6 months he’d be a top target at 14.

    Has Humphrey rated as a 2nd round guy. I think that’s where he belongs as a high upside HWS guy.

    I still think Garrett Bolles is the first OT off the board. He can start day 1, he’s athletic, and his age isn’t as big of a deal as some people make it out to be. He is the same age as Wentz.

    No way do I put McCaffery ahead of Cook. Cook is a 3 down back. McCaffery is a match up player.

  183. 183 D3FB said at 7:02 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    If that’s the way the board looks at 14, move back

  184. 184 Insomniac said at 7:43 PM on March 13th, 2017:


    He has us taking Tre’Davious White at 14 in his new mock draft.

  185. 185 A_T_G said at 12:53 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Hat tip to Sb2bowl for reminding me to steel myself against the return of FOles in future commenting sections.

  186. 186 Sb2bowl said at 1:20 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    THanks ATG!

  187. 187 scratcherk said at 12:57 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Worrilow goes to the Lions.

  188. 188 A_T_G said at 1:03 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    This reminds me, Greg Richards posted an observation on twitter. Spuds put out something about LBs and mentioned three by name. Two were likely out of our price range – Hightower and someone I can’t remember – but then mentioned Perry Ridley in an offhanded way.

  189. 189 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:33 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Im praying Rueban Foster falls to #14, hopefully he does something stupid in the next couple of weeks like gets himself arrested for Jaywalkig or something really dumb

  190. 190 Donald Kalinowski said at 1:29 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Bro that happened a long time ago. What are you doing with your life?

  191. 191 scratcherk said at 1:31 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    whoops. need to up my twitter game.

  192. 192 A_T_G said at 1:08 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    If Marlon Humphries actually shows up for his visit tomorrow I think we should take him off our draft board. Traveling to Philly tomorrow would signal a complete lack of awareness and anticipation.

  193. 193 CrackSammich said at 1:15 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    He’d have to fly himself, because airports are already shutting down flights in and out.

  194. 194 A_T_G said at 1:16 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Good point. The ability to fly might make up for a lack of awareness.

  195. 195 Insomniac said at 1:15 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    At first I was like, why? It’s pi day tomorrow! Then I realized that there’s the damn storm tomorrow when I was literally talking to a co-worker about it an hour ago.

  196. 196 Sb2bowl said at 1:20 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Unless he’s coming within the next 6 hours, he’s not getting in to the city. Blizzard warnings are being issued.

    I’m 2 hours north of the city and they are calling for 18-30″ locally. Going to be fun!

  197. 197 A_T_G said at 1:21 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Me too. Berks county, outside of Kutztown.

  198. 198 Sb2bowl said at 1:26 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Near Scranton

  199. 199 A_T_G said at 1:52 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Oh, you’ll have it worse.

    This is interesting to watch… and it looks like the lowered some of the expectations a little over the past few hours.


  200. 200 Sb2bowl said at 2:12 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Interesting my ass, I’m going to buy another shovel. Lol.

    Yeah, it’s going to be bad. Whole middle and eastern part of the state are going to get blasted. We aren’t directly in the mountains, but we’re not far off either.

    Last time this happened I was a teenager, and we didn’t have school for a week. March of 93 I believe.

  201. 201 scratcherk said at 1:37 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Charlotte, NC. We had an inch and the city flipped its collective sh*t

  202. 202 A_T_G said at 1:49 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    I lived on the Northern Neck of VA for a few years. We had about a foot of snow one winter and schools were open two days over the course of 3 weeks.

  203. 203 Donald Kalinowski said at 1:11 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Chase is going to sign a 1 year deal for the vet minimum to team that will offer him a chance to compete for a starting job. He has no incentive to push for anything less than $5 million/year. The offset language isn’t going to make a significant difference for the cap.

  204. 204 Jernst said at 1:36 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    He’s due $5M from us regardless of what he signs with his new team. If he’s being given a chance to compete for a starting spot I’d assume he’d expect to be paid at least $7-9M. So, he does have incentive to sign for more than $5M, which seems like a good possibility.

  205. 205 FairOaks said at 1:51 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    He may also agree to alter his contract to make him more releasable. There was a tweet which suggested that may happen. Perhaps he could agree to lower his guarantee, meaning it’s more likely he will get paid above it, removing the entire cap hit from the Eagles.

    But yes, without contract change he would have to find teams willing to give him more than $5 million for the Eagles to get any significant relief if they straight release him. That’s probably on the edge for what he’s worth.

  206. 206 Rellihcs said at 1:36 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Perhaps, or that could turn out to not be what happens.

  207. 207 A_T_G said at 1:20 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    So Qualls can do backflips? Ok. In those highlights I didn’t see the athletic ability. I saw a guy clog the middle, hold his ground, and stop the runner. Certainly a valuable skill but most plays he didn’t move two steps total.

    On the rushes from the outside, well, he dips and turns the corner like a DT asked to play out of position.

  208. 208 Jernst said at 1:34 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Ok good…I thought I was going crazy. I’m glad someone else saw exactly what I saw. It’s not really impressive that he rushes from the outside in a two point stance when the QB is in his third step of his drop back before he even moves, and he barely engages with the tackle before the plays over and never gets within 5 yards of the QB. Hell, I could probably do that.

  209. 209 scratcherk said at 1:36 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    but can you do a backflip

  210. 210 A_T_G said at 1:44 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    From TMZ:

    “Ezekiel Elliott pulled a woman’s shirt down — exposing her bare breast — during a St. Patrick’s Day party in Dallas. (…) We spoke with Elliott’s rep who told us the woman wasn’t upset … and actually hung out with Zeke and a group of friends after the parade ended.”

    That choice of wording cannot be accidental.

  211. 211 ChoTime said at 7:05 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Fake News? St. Patrick’s day is next week.

  212. 212 A_T_G said at 8:59 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    TMZ had a video. They didn’t look fake. They looked real, and they looked spectacular.

  213. 213 Sean Stott said at 2:45 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Not really sure I get, cap-wise, how +Foles -Daniel can be anything other than a cap penalty for us.

  214. 214 Nick C said at 2:48 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Another overpaid backup.

  215. 215 GermanEagle said at 2:49 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    This is mind blowing or shall I rather use the term flabbergasting.


    Howie must be still high on the AJ signing…

  216. 216 Nick C said at 2:56 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Just silly. Daniel’s money could’ve been much better spent on a competent corner, bringing Bennie back, or a trade of some sort.
    He took all trade leverage away once he signed Foles as well.

    EDIT: what little leverage there was.

  217. 217 Rellihcs said at 3:24 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    You are jumping to conclusions without accurate info. Suit yourself, but it’s a fool’s endeavor if you ask me. And all the corner signings have been for WAY more than both of these QB’s #s combined, so how can you come to that result?

  218. 218 anon said at 11:29 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    They signed files uncle it was clear there was not trade. They’re counting on the offset language

  219. 219 Rellihcs said at 3:20 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    You are starting with a very weak knowledge base (we do NOT know the cap #s, we do NOT know the contract details, or what will come of all the other moves – so you basically no jack squat. Then you took your (lack of) knowledge, made a conclusion/anaylsis off of it – and determined that it’s flabbergasting?

    CHILL – Howie is a pro – proven to be above average at this stuff – he has the info and knows the actual system.

  220. 220 GermanEagle said at 3:24 PM on March 13th, 2017:


    I am chilling. However you can sugarcoat all you want re the Chase Daniel contract. But truth to be told his contract was just bad, not only in hindsight.

    Let’s wait for Nick FOLes contract details. Agreed. But first reports are not encouraging.

  221. 221 anon said at 11:28 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Has to be vet min. Rams don’t want Nick files and look at their QB situation

  222. 222 Rellihcs said at 3:19 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    You don’t know what his contract details are. CHILL.

    Agenets report the wrong info to media people. It happened just last week with Alshon.

    Here’s what we know – WE DON’T KNOW ANYTHING specific and accurate.

    So basing opinions off of crappy data – is crappy.

    Chill. Howie is a cap guru, he DOES have the info and knowledge. He’s got this.

  223. 223 Rellihcs said at 3:21 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    You don’t know what he’s paid so how can you say that?

  224. 224 anon said at 11:27 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    I know he’s been dropped by 3 teams in 3 years

  225. 225 aron said at 3:25 PM on March 13th, 2017:


  226. 226 GENETiC-FREAK said at 2:48 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Was just checking out Chris Carson the other day too. Hes 2nd on the SPARQ test.

  227. 227 GermanEagle said at 3:03 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    As much as I’ve been a fan of all the offseason moves by Howie last and so far this year, he rather should have stayed away from this pipe dream and signed Dontari Poe instead with all that money the Eagles are due for Chase and Nick FOLes.

    Poe would have been Bennie’s replacement and also has a perfect QB rating..

  228. 228 Nick C said at 3:16 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Or Hankins. But agreed.

  229. 229 GermanEagle said at 3:17 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Poe has a better spiral when throwing the ball..

  230. 230 kajomo said at 4:01 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    I think the eagles see Foles as an upgrade and are acknowledging that Chase had a bad contract. You are upgrading the position and giving yourself the maximum cap space next year when we may be looking at many big and/or long term deals/extensions.

    Matthews (hope not)

    We can still add a DT, LB, and maybe a nickel CB after cuts and trades.

  231. 231 BobSmith77 said at 7:03 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Yeah although Daniel supposedly was asking for a trade/release too.

    Adam Schefter was on 97.5 today and had some solid insights including:

    – Eagles tried really hard to trade Daniel and there was no market for him

    – There were 5-6 teams who are pursuing Daniel last offseason but nobody offered him a deal similiar to what the Eagles did

    – Only team Daniel could realistically compete for a starting job in camp next year is going to be the Jets

    Schefter didn’t come out and say it was a clear overpay and a bad contract. Not his style but from the points he brought up you can tell that the point he was trying to make.

  232. 232 Tumtum said at 8:35 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    I see it more as they thought there was some level of chance Chase would be their starter or 1 year place holder for an unready rookie. They paid him what they had to, to ensure they got him. Now Chase wants to start, so he isn’t happy, and they know that spot is destined to hold a clip board. Change is fine since Foles is cheaper and has shown he can start in this offense.

    Insurance is money well spent even when not used. Chase was money well spent.

  233. 233 scratcherk said at 3:16 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Adam Caplan on WIP says that the cap data on the blog sites are not accurate and that the Eagles have more cap space than is reported.

  234. 234 Rellihcs said at 3:17 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Case in point – fans trying to crunch numbers are foolish. We don’t have the right system knowledge, or accurate data. It’s a fools errand.

  235. 235 scratcherk said at 3:18 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    i think the best we can do is ballpark… i.e. not much cap space this year and lots of cap space next year. otherwise, howie will do his thang.

  236. 236 Rellihcs said at 3:22 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Yeah, but that’s the thing – “ballparking” off of crappy data is worthless. We don’t have to do the work and we don’t have what we need to do it accurately – so why try?

  237. 237 scratcherk said at 3:23 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    its nice to know approximately what you’re working with to know whats realistic in FA.

  238. 238 Rellihcs said at 3:24 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Well according to Caplan – we have nothing close to approximate accuracy – so you’re ultimately “knowing” stuff that’s too far from the truth.

  239. 239 Nick C said at 3:24 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    OTC has us at 5.5M before the Foles deal. It can’t be much more.

  240. 240 Sean Stott said at 3:53 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    The sites use the same formulae that is dictated by the CBA, and they’ve historically been extremely accurate. Unless there are contract differences the numbers should be close to identical?

  241. 241 Rellihcs said at 4:03 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    When you say they’ve been extremely accurate – what are you basing that off of? Unless you have the official NFL info, how can you compare and say anything has been accurate?

  242. 242 Sean Stott said at 4:21 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    You can benchmark salary cap prediction performance by looking at your projected cap rollover vs. official NFLPA salary cap rollover numbers.

    If the sites had perfect access to the contracts, they would have precise numbers. That isn’t always the case, of course, but usually contract numbers are close once details come out.

  243. 243 Rellihcs said at 4:34 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Ok. I’m just not confident that it’s that simple. I think there are more complex rules that make it such that only the real insiders and NFL people know. But suit yourself.

  244. 244 Sean Stott said at 5:11 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    The rules and formulae are precisely specified in the CBA. Discrepancies arise due to unknown contract specifics, such as what is likely to be earned, how much is incentive based, etc.

  245. 245 Donald Kalinowski said at 6:35 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Cap space isn’t really that big of an issue because teams can find a way around it.

  246. 246 Ryan Rambo said at 3:21 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    NFLTradeRumors.co‏ @nfltrade_rumors 1m1 minute ago

    BREAKING: Chiefs Signing DT Bennie Logan To One-Year Deal

    nfldraftdiamonds.com/nfl-transactions-for-march-13th-2017/ … #NFL #NFLDraftNews

  247. 247 scratcherk said at 3:23 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    one year deals are the new black

  248. 248 aron said at 3:24 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    serious, clark?

  249. 249 GermanEagle said at 3:25 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    And we got FOLes instead. Lol…

  250. 250 Rellihcs said at 4:02 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    But we there’s still time to sign another DT, or draft another stud. It’s too early to start evaluating and making assessments. Plenty of time to make moves.

  251. 251 GermanEagle said at 4:06 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    If we can sign Hankins instead I’ll be happy.

  252. 252 Rellihcs said at 4:11 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Me too. Or if we sign someone else and he works out and has success. Same for draft picks. I’m open minded and try to not jump to conclusions in March.

  253. 253 Julescat said at 5:03 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    and KC has no real QB

  254. 254 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:30 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    If Deshuan Watson falls to #14, thinking we might be able to get some serious value allowing Andy Reid to trade up to #14 for Watson who can sit and learn behind alex smith for a couple of years

  255. 255 ChoTime said at 7:04 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Oh. 🙁

  256. 256 Ryan Rambo said at 3:53 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    NFLTradeRumors.co‏ @nfltrade_rumors 3m3 minutes ago

    BREAKING: DeMarcus Ware Announces Retirement From NFL

  257. 257 Sb2bowl said at 4:06 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Think he’s a HoF player?

  258. 258 Ark87 said at 4:08 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    definitely, he was the best pass rusher in the league for about a decade, perennial pro bowler (all pro too?), and he finally got his ring. If he doesn’t get in, there isn’t a pass rusher that gets in from the past 15 years.

  259. 259 Insomniac said at 4:18 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    First 7 years

    Demarcus Ware – 111 sacks
    Jason Taylor – 80.5 sacks


    Jason Taylor – 15 years 139.5 sacks
    Demarcus Ware – 12 years 138.5 sacks

    Taylor was a first ballot HoF player (although I don’t think he should been) and Ware has played less than Taylor. Ware is definitely going to be first ballot HoFer if Taylor is one.

  260. 260 Sb2bowl said at 4:50 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Agreed on the Taylor front- to me he wasn’t a first ballot HoF player, though eventually he should get in (though he’s already in……..). TO was a better player than Taylor, but politics and human relationships factor into the equation (and a cushy gig with the NFL network).

    Ware should get in- even when his sack totals weren’t outstanding, teams had to know where he was every play. But that dude could influence a game for sure.

  261. 261 Insomniac said at 5:14 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    His sack totals are very outstanding. The only guys ahead of him in sack totals are guys who have played 14 or more seasons.

    Jared Allen – 136 sacks 186 games
    Demarcus Ware – 138.5 sacks 178 games
    Michael Strahan – 141.5 sacks 216 games
    Julius Peppers – 143.5 sacks 234 games

    He’s arguably the best pass rusher of last decade even though everyone knew what they were going to do with him. Too bad he played for the Cowgirls.

  262. 262 Sb2bowl said at 5:23 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    It kills me that White doesn’t have the all time sack record, and Bruce Smith does……….. Smith was good, but White is better.

    Those guys really are in a class by themselves. I’m high on Barnett coming out; he’s not crazy athletic but his hand skills are A+ and he knows how to work a counter move better than most at this point of his career. He doesn’t have the athletic upside of someone like Charlton, but his floor is also much higher.

  263. 263 Tumtum said at 8:28 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    The legend

  264. 264 kajomo said at 6:07 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    It’s not even a question. He is a HoFer easy

  265. 265 Tumtum said at 8:27 PM on March 13th, 2017:


  266. 266 GermanEagle said at 3:55 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    In hindsight the Eagles shouldn’t have given Curry that much money. At the end of the day this was probably the deciding factor in letting Bennie go.

    It’s a shame that the Eagles couldn’t keep their homegrown, especially when our draft record over the last decade was more miss than hit.

  267. 267 Sean Stott said at 3:57 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    In hindsight, Curry has disappointed.

  268. 268 GermanEagle said at 4:05 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    In hindsight, hindsight is 20-20.

  269. 269 Sb2bowl said at 4:07 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    They structured the deal similarly to the one Everson Griffin got with the Vikings; both were part time players who projected to have a larger impact once they established more playing time.

    The Eagles took a shot, and it hasn’t worked out. It did for the Vikings. These things happen.

  270. 270 Insomniac said at 4:32 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    If you put Cedric Thornton in Bennie’s uniform and no one told you about it, would you notice? I’m guessing that’s the approach Howie took.

  271. 271 ChoTime said at 7:04 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Yeah, in hindsight. Obviously the Eagles thought he’d take the next step, but he didn’t.

  272. 272 Mac said at 7:05 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    I don’t tune into opera as often as GE, but I haven’t heard the fat lady sing on Curry yet.

  273. 273 ChoTime said at 8:56 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    True, but he just didn’t do a lot last year.

  274. 274 BobSmith77 said at 7:09 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Curry didn’t play that well last year. That’s the kicker. They paid him big money for what he did in 2014.

    That and they paid him decent starter money for a guy who had been a role/situational player.

    Roseman gambled he would be able to start every down and be productive. At best, I hope they draft a DE who gets his share of snaps and that Curry is a lot more productive next year in a situational role. Maybe not 2014 but much closer to it.

  275. 275 Tumtum said at 8:25 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    I really hope he does this year…

  276. 276 ChoTime said at 8:56 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Me too. If we can get a little help at CB and he takes the next step, the D could be killer.

  277. 277 kid said at 3:56 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    You can’t fix stupid lmao


  278. 278 Media Mike said at 7:46 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Will they suspend this guy already? Bad enough his significant history of domestic violence has been enabled by Ohio State, the Columbus PD, and the Dallas Cowboys.

    Mr. Goodell needs to step in and humble this clown.

  279. 279 Tumtum said at 8:24 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    It is exceptionally bad form, especially considering his past. I just don’t see how the NFL can do anything if the girl doesn’t mind.

  280. 280 Media Mike said at 8:29 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Ask Josh Brown.

  281. 281 P_P_K said at 5:26 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Apologies in advance if this has already been posted: AJ will wear #17 and Agholor #13. Does the latter really need any more bad fortune?

  282. 282 Sb2bowl said at 5:31 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    His (Nelson) career is all about opposites. Let me explain.

    He’s a first round selection- they are expected to perform well and make a positive impact early. Nelson hasn’t.

    He’s a wide receiver. Generally speaking, these players catch the football when thrown to them. Nelson doesn’t.

    He should be the type of prospect that has a nice career with the team that drafted him- at the very least, he should earn a second contract with that team. Nelson won’t.

    Therefore– for most people the number 13 is unfortunate. In Nelson’s case, it may be the ONE thing that turns his career around.

  283. 283 P_P_K said at 7:15 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Great post!

  284. 284 BobSmith77 said at 7:21 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    It is just a number.

  285. 285 Sb2bowl said at 10:26 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    So the opposite of that would be….. It’s more than a number!

  286. 286 daveH said at 10:27 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Still is my favorite number. . 2nd favorite behind 250.
    Hey whats everyone’s favorite number ? Lets all post our favorite numbers …

  287. 287 ColorSgt said at 11:47 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Interesting thought process. I’m hoping he turns it around with the pressure off him this year. If he gains confidence as a roll player he could have some value after this year. I’m not counting on it, but it would be nice if he wasn’t a complete failure.

  288. 288 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:27 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Thinking Eagles fans need to put an end to The Dalvin Cook talk. The kid has so many glaring Charechter concers/long rap sheet that he makes Joe Mixon look like a Girl Scout.
    Nice player but I don’t see Lurie allowing the Eagles to spend the #14th pick on a kid with such an ugly history of heinous behavior

  289. 289 RC5000 said at 6:40 PM on March 13th, 2017:


  290. 290 Corry said at 6:47 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    I think Chase Daniel is the only person who doesn’t understand why Chase Daniel isn’t a starter.

  291. 291 Julescat said at 6:50 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Chase, we hardly knew ye

  292. 292 BobSmith77 said at 6:56 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    End of an era.

  293. 293 Sb2bowl said at 7:06 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    He was so much better than Frank Gore for us. I’ll miss him, may he Chase a ring some other place

  294. 294 Mac said at 7:08 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Dude, for me it was worth the 6 mil/whatever he got paid, just to laugh my ass off when I saw that midget take the field at QB.

  295. 295 Sb2bowl said at 10:27 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    That smile will live in my heart for ever. Since it wasn’t my $6m, it was well worth the cost

  296. 296 P_P_K said at 10:25 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    In case you don’t get any other props, caught the Chase line.

  297. 297 GermanEagle said at 7:30 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    There seems to be a broad misunderstanding re the salary cap room for the Eagles in 2018. Contrary to common belief our cap room won’t dramastically improve next year, given the Status Quo as per today.

    In fact the Eagles are currently only $6.6m under the SC in 2018.

    And Mr Cox better play up to his even bigger contract as he will count a whopping $17.9m again next year’s cap.

    Thankfully Carson Wentz is still playing on his cheap rookie contract..NOT!

  298. 298 Corry said at 7:31 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Where did you get that figure from?

  299. 299 GermanEagle said at 7:42 PM on March 13th, 2017:


  300. 300 Fufina said at 7:39 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Well the assumption is that a lot of current 2018 contracts will be off the books with Daniels cut that will clear at least $10mil off the 2018 books, more depending on what he gets in free agency.

    Peters, Curry, Kendricks, Celek and Kelce are all guys who could be cut or traded, which could clean up $30mil of cap possibly.

  301. 301 GermanEagle said at 7:45 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Yeah sure. And I’m aware of that. That’s why I used the term status quo on purpose.

    But contract extensions for Wentz and Hicks could offset almost alone any cap relief we may get back from Daniel, Peters, and Celek.

    So it’s not like the Eagles will have tons of money to spend next off season …

  302. 302 kajomo said at 7:55 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Wentz isn’t eligible for an extension next year.

    We could roughly $40mil in space. We may elect to use that money to extend or re-sign our own guys, but that doesn’t mean the space isn’t there. We either can bring in outside guys if they are upgrades or keep our own young talent. We have a very good cap situation moving forward.

    Getting Daniel, Kelce, Barton, Kendricks off the books now only increases what we have available next year.

  303. 303 FairOaks said at 11:59 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Hicks will be eligible, Wentz will not. The problem this year is there were precious few contracts we could cut to help; that will not be the case next year.

  304. 304 Media Mike said at 7:48 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    So I’ll add DT a little higher on my awareness for drafting; sucks to see Bennie gone.

  305. 305 Tumtum said at 8:00 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    At least he went to Andy.

  306. 306 Media Mike said at 8:01 PM on March 13th, 2017:


  307. 307 johhnyblaze said at 8:24 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Yeah, my thoughts exactly

  308. 308 GordonGekko said at 7:58 PM on March 13th, 2017:


  309. 309 aron said at 9:26 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    you have a gap in between your knees

  310. 310 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 11:26 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Reminder: the block tool is the best way to disappear someone. He feeds off replies. I see…nothing!

  311. 311 Media Mike said at 8:30 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    I did this one straight up.

    Round 1 Pick 14: O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama (A)
    Round 2 Pick 11: TreDavious White, CB, LSU (A)
    Round 3 Pick 10: Dion Dawkins, OG, Temple (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 12: Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma (A)
    Round 4 Pick 32 (COMP): Corn Elder, CB, Miami (Fla.) (C)
    Round 5 Pick 11: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 10: Xavier Woods, SS, Louisiana Tech (C+)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Javancy Jones, OLB, Jackson State (B)

  312. 312 Media Mike said at 8:36 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    General logic is that I think Howard is a difference maker who will pair well with Ertz in the short term. I’d also assumed that I moved Jordan Matthews for a draft pick that I used on the WR of your choice who play somewhere other than slot. I’ll assume Godwin, but y’all can tell me who’d y’all would prefer.

    White goes into the mix and CB and Dawkins going into the O-line backup group.

    Perine and Elder play in rotation as does Vanderdoes.

    Wood and Jones are deeper developmental guys who round out the 53 man roster over stiffs like Jaylin Watkins and the spot opened up by Kendricks being gone.

  313. 313 Sb2bowl said at 10:31 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Did you force the last 2 picks or were you intentionally trying to fill needs? I’m on board with everything up until that point.

    Howard seems like a luxury pick-there’s something that I don’t like about his game; maybe it’s his consistency overall? Doug’s offense seems pliable enough that he could add an extra dimension to it, but personally, I’d rather we go defense or an outside WR at that spot.

  314. 314 D3FB said at 11:27 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Woods is actually really good and mockers are too low on him.

  315. 315 Media Mike said at 5:38 AM on March 14th, 2017:

    Good to know. Thank you.

  316. 316 Sb2bowl said at 10:19 AM on March 14th, 2017:

    Don’t know anything about him, but I’ll learn!

  317. 317 D3FB said at 5:08 PM on March 14th, 2017:


  318. 318 Sb2bowl said at 11:06 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Did one tonight as I wait for the snow to start.

    The Robinson pick was too tempting to pass up. He can learn the NFL and projects as our RT after Peters retires.

    Really tried to focus on secondary depth, DL rotation and some moveable offensive pieces that could contribute if playing time is earned. Would have liked to grab another CB in round 7, but was intrigued by the kid from OKS and what he could turn into in this offense. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b1d1bffeb90b61c73602ef1f1ee8a7555ecb5c41f8663d6211372069f21c8bff.png

  319. 319 增达网 said at 9:12 PM on March 13th, 2017:






  320. 320 Nick C said at 9:54 PM on March 13th, 2017:


  321. 321 RC5000 said at 10:50 PM on March 13th, 2017:


  322. 322 RC5000 said at 11:01 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    He’s visiting Rams still who some think are favorites to sign him.

  323. 323 Sb2bowl said at 11:07 PM on March 13th, 2017:


  324. 324 johhnyblaze said at 11:12 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    I think they did sign him

  325. 325 RC5000 said at 11:16 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    Yes I already posted it.

  326. 326 RC5000 said at 11:05 PM on March 13th, 2017:


  327. 327 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 11:27 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    With the benefit of a few hours now, can someone justify Foles > Daniel to me? The cap number certainly doesn’t improve, right?

  328. 328 FairOaks said at 11:56 PM on March 13th, 2017:

    New post