More On Day
Posted: January 24th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 441 Comments »Ryan Day is the new QBs coach for the Eagles. Most of us didn’t know him prior to Thursday, but now there are lots of opinions. I can’t tell you if this is a good or bad move. I trust Chip when it comes to just about anything involving his offense. That’s his baby. Not everyone is on board, though.
I mean, Day may be a great addition to the staff as WR coach (where he has experience). But QB? Playing it loose with the most important job
— Sam Lynch (@shlynch) January 23, 2015
If I wanted a guy to teach NFL QB play, I'd hire the guy who never coached a guy who averaged as much as 155 passing yds per game.
— Sam Lynch (@shlynch) January 23, 2015
It is absolutely fair to be skeptical of this hire. BC isn’t known for great QB play.
But Chip is too smart to make a move without there being good logic behind it. I’ll offer up some thoughts on what he might be thinking.
First, Chip does have a relationship with Day and it must be a good one. Chip coached him and then worked with Day for a year at New Hampshire. This isn’t about friendship. Chip spent 5 years coaching/working closely with him and obviously thinks highly of Day. He knows what kind of a person Day is and how committed he can be to doing what it takes to being successful. Plus, who better to teach Chip’s QBs than a man who was taught by Chip?
Chip has kept his eye on Day for quite a while. Check out this quote from when Day was hired to be Boston College’s OC.
Addazio called Day “one of the bright young minds in college football. He knows Boston College and he is thrilled to be back.”
That sentiment was echoed by Oregon’s Chip Kelly, who coached Day at UNH and then worked with the Manchester, N.H., native on the Wildcats’ staff under Sean McDonnell.
“I think that he is one of the best young coaches in the country and it was just a matter of time before he was running the show, offensively, somewhere,” said Kelly after practice Thursday.
The two men do have a good friendship, as you can tell from this interview from when Day talked about Kelly taking over as head coach of the Eagles.
“He’ll take the best things the Eagles can do and he’ll use them. One of his greatest strengths as a coach is he’s a great thinker on his feet—that’s accurate. His players love playing for him. I played for him 10, 12 years ago and he’s one of my closest friends in college coaching. I can thank him for everything in football that I’ve had. He leaves an impact on people’s lives.”
I think Chip may have wanted to go with a young guy for another reason as well…continuity. Lazor and Musgrave were veteran NFL assistants that were hired away after a year. Other teams wanted to know about the Chip Kelly Magic so they took his QB coach. Day isn’t as likely to be plucked away quickly. No one is going to make him their OC in 2016. And he can’t change teams for just a lateral move.
Chip can take a chance on a young coach because he and Pat Shurmur are there to help with the QBs. If this were Rex Ryan or some other defensive guru, this move would be a total head-scratcher.
There may also be some offensive reasons to hire Day.
@lawlornfl Day has experience marrying gap run schemes with zone blocking schemes in a way with a lot of carryover. Ran for a lot of yards
— Chris B. Brown (@smartfootball) January 23, 2015
Chip might want to get Day’s help in other areas. You can never have enough smart minds on a coaching staff.
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Want to know about Ryan Day the college QB? Read this.
There is no doubt. The UNH football team has four captains — Day, center Jason Ball, defensive end Jon Oosterhuis and strong safety Bryce Scottron. But ask any player, including the other captains, and they say the same thing: Ryan Day is the leader of this team.
“Ryan’s just a natural leader,” said senior wideout Brian Mallette, who will miss the next 3-6 weeks with a separated shoulder. “He just knows how to go up there and make things happen. He may not be the fastest guy or have the strongest arm, but he’s so competitive and so determined.
“He wants to get things done, and he does it. It means a lot to us. Everybody leads off him. They see how he goes out there and how competitive he is.”
Coaches need to be good leaders and teachers. Sure sounds like Day has the leadership part down pat.
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Day was a tough player, fighting his way through injuries. He had that same mindset as an assistant coach.
Boston College wide receivers coach Ryan Day climbed out of bed Wednesday morning, took one step and fell to his knees in excruciating pain.
By 11 p.m., Day was undergoing emergency surgery to remove his appendix at a Boston hospital. The following morning, after taking a heavy dose of pain killers, he turned on the TV in his hospital room and saw one too many promos for the No. 2 Eagles’ ACC showdown at No. 8 Virginia Tech on Thursday night.
So Day did what any maniacal college football coach would do. He picked up the telephone and checked available airline flights to southwest Virginia. Day found a flight — he had to fly from Boston’s Logan Airport to New York’s LaGuardia and then to Roanoke, Va. — and didn’t have much time to get there. He climbed out of bed and left his room wearing electrodes and the same clothes he’d arrived at the hospital in the day before.
“The doctor told me, ‘Officially, I can’t clear you for this flight,'” Day said. “If it wasn’t Virginia Tech and wasn’t Thursday night, I wouldn’t have done it. My wife didn’t want me to go, God bless her. But she gave me her blessing at the end. I told her all week that I just had a feeling something special was going to happen.”
And, boy, did something special happen to the Eagles at Lane Stadium on Thursday night. After being exposed as yet another team not worthy of the No. 2 spot in the BCS standings for nearly the entire game, Boston College rallied from a 10-0 deficit with two touchdowns in the final 2:11 to stun the Hokies 14-10 in front of a rain-soaked, sold-out crowd of 66,233.
That’s pretty insane. He was really committed to the cause.
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Great research Tommy. I’m still “wait and see” on this. I don’t know if it’ll be good or bad, but certainly not a lock.
………….and as long as it doesn’t result in drafting a running QB, I’ll count that as a plus.
Great insight, and research into Day. This could be just as much about getting the right culture fit, and relentless motivation to succeed as anything. He might not be a QB whisperer at this point, but it’ll bring another intelligent guy familiar with Chips system to the staff.
Holy shit
BC was #2 in the country?
And promptly choked that game.
As D3FB said, NFL QB coaches comes in two flavors, the Musgrave version of retreat OC or like Day as an up and comer.
Just because Musgrave was a OC retreat and it didn’t work, doesn’t mean all OC retreats won’t work. Gary Kubiak was a HC retreat and turned out to be a great OC for the Ravens, just as an example.
With the same logic, not all up and comers will work. Especially, if the up and comer doesn’t have real experience at his new scope of duties.
Day seems to be passionate. He seems to be intelligent. He proved he can be the OC for a run heavy college team (working together with a offensive minded HC in Addazio). But still: he never worked with a good QB.
If Kelly and Day wouldn’t be friends, I would assume that Chip is projecting he can work with good QBs out of some reason we all can’t understand because we don’t know Day. But there could be good reasons.
But the way it is, I just see Kelly giving an old buddy he likes a job. A job that isn’t completely irrelevant, we’re not talking quality control, we’re talking about a young QB that needs a rebound year and at least one, maybe two other young QBs.
Some like to point out that Kelly and Shurmur are really good with QBs. And that’s true, of course. But they don’t sit in the film room and watch film with them. They don’t sit in the film room and have to point out the little flaws in the mechanics. They could do that, but they have other things to do, too.
But why do you see it as jelly just giving his old friend a job when he has never done that before?
Edit: kelly not jelly, damn phone
Because I miss the “he had success working with QBs” part in the CV that should imho be there if you get promoted to the NFL for the job as QB coach. 😉
I get the concern, but I don’t get the assumption that because we don’t know the rational beyond their friendship there can’t be any. Not knowing is different from something not existing. Of course there is reason to question, but reason to keep an open mind until we get facts.
You’re right. It would be wrong to assume there can’t be any rational beyond friendship. I just personally assume there is none. But it’s not a fact. And if there come up some reasons that I haven’t thought of yet, I will change my mind.
The ( same ) thing could be said about Billy Davis. The ” success ” part. His defenses sucked, with his other teams.
” Jelly ” ……. LOL !
Yeah, one of the arguments seems to be: “We hired someone who was qualified last time and it didn’t work, so now you can’t complain about hiring someone who isn’t qualified.” (at least based on resume)
Pretty strange stuff.
If it were you doing the hiring, wouldn’t you rather hire someone that you had confidence in already, someone that you have worked with before and because of that you know what it’s like to work with him? Someone who you consider to be sharp, knows the way you operate, and you feel he understands what you are trying to do?
Isn’t there value in that? Or do you just pick guys who appear to be more qualified based on what you read on the Internet?
Nice straw man!
Seriously, though, all us commenters have to go on is his resume, and it’s underwhelming in the “coaching up struggling QB’s at the NFL level” department.
It’s amazing how defensive people get when you point that out. I guess because it can’t be refuted?
I get that people who like the hire are doing so because of their faith in Kelly. That’s fine. But don’t pretend it’s because you’ve seen something in Day’s past that makes you think he’d be great for the job.
But with all due respect, it CAN be refuted. That line of thinking, while itself is clearly logical, is supremely simplistic and reductionist. So much so that it’s pretty darn weak. Belicheat had never won a superbowl as a head coach prior to NE hiring him. By your logic that was a dumb hire.
I think Kelly sees Day as a naturally gifted teacher, honer, and coach, who was a successful QB and shares similar offensive philosophy. That seems like a good rationale to me.
What? So pointing out that Day has nothing in his bio suggesting he can understand/teach the intricacies of the QB position in the NFL is the same as saying one should only hire Super Bowl-winning coaches to lead your team?
What is it with the straw men today?
Listen, if you see something in his resume that says he is qualified to coach QB’s, let me know. This is the only point I am making.
Sure, played QB and has had significant coaching success. What else is needed?
Good hiring is often about transferable skills, not simply “have you demonstrated success at this specific job role in the past?”.
I can agree with that.
I would assume coaching a QB would require more specialized knowledge, though (particularly on the NFL level), so hopefully Day has said knowledge but just hasn’t had the opportunity to use it in a professional capacity yet…
Interesting quandary we’re framing here: how much is it really about super advanced intricate knowledge v. Coaching, motivational, drilling, interpersonal, methodology etc… Personally I think it’s more the later…
I doubt that “the cream of the crop QB coaches” (whoever the heck they are ha …?) are so great because they have the rare intricate knowledge… I personally think it’s more their talent for getting the best out of people.
About my belicheat comparison, I don’t say “same thing”, but the commonality is “hasn’t done this specific thing before.”.
He may be ….. and Blindchow ( never ) said he ( wouldn’t / couldn’t ) be a good QB coach. All he said, was that he didn’t have any ” credentials ” to get all worked up about. So, I hope that my explanation was supremely simplistic enough for you. Or do you need me to reduce it to a more elementary level of logic ?
Thank you, said that very well.
I’m not saying he’s a good hire or a bad hire. I think we have perhaps 10% of the information we would need to make such a judgment available to us. We don’t know this guy enough to have any kind of informed opinion about him.
I agree with you there. It’s definitely a wait-and-see situation. Fingers crossed.
Think about it, like this. kelly, is obviously going to hire ( in his opinion ) the best guy that gives Foles and the ( Quarterback ) position, the biggest chance for success. His reputation is on the line, and i’m sure he wants the best assistants that he can get. A NFL coach, is as only as good as his assistants. Look at how good Andy Reid and the Eagles were when they had ( Jim Johnson – Def. coordinator, John Harbaugh – Special teams, Ron Rivera – Linebackers. ) They went to multiple Championship games, and a Super Bowl. Coaching ( can not ) be over looked, when it comes to team success. Of course some position coaches are more important than others, but in general, it is very important to have great assistant coaches, who can squeeze every drop of talent from their players.
Never said it was bad to be an oc retreat but just you can’t get a young qb coach who had prior experience coaching qbs
“you can’t get a young qb coach who had prior experience coaching qbs”
Lazor was 40 when Chip hired him and he coached QBs for 4 years in the NFL + 2 years in College. It depends on where you draw the line with “young coach”.
But of course you’re right, you won’t find a super experienced young coach. 😉
And the reason Lazor was there was he didnt get the NFL OC promotion and therefor went to college to get it.
Yeah, but still: he was relatively young, but still had experience working with QBs. I would just like to see that the QB coach of “our” team has some experience working with halfway decent QBs in his career, I guess that’s all I’m saying.
What is a retreat ? Definition – The act of moving backwards or retreating ? Are you saying Chip was retreating when he hired him ?
Anders means retread. English is not his first language, cut him some slack.
Was just messing with him. No harm , no foul. Thought it was funny.
A ” retreat ” is when you get candy for Halloween, and then give it out, to next years, ” trick or treaters. ” I think you mean ” retread ? “
Eagles can’t interview Scott Fitterer until after the Super Bowl, wonder if that’s the real target, considering how quiet the “GM” search is at the moment.
I hope. I don’t like any of the leftover names, especially Daddy’s slow and special little boy Chris Polian.
Nobody outside of the league circles knows Fitterer, really. But boy, his CV looks really good. Director of college scouting for the team that build the best secondary in football out of one first rounder and other than that only Day 3 picks?
Of course Schneider and Carroll play a huge role there, but at the very least, he has seen first hand what traits are important for late round picks and what are things that can be taught at the next level.
Projecting is the most important thing in the draft process and Fitterer was part of the best late round draft franchise in the NFL.
As did McCloughan.
mskp, from what I understand ( I just read a article with NFL spokesman, Greg Aiello ) and he said that, ” Teams may REQUEST to interview, non – high level employees ( NOT – GM’s or team President’s ) but they can request to interview other lower tier employees ( such as – college or pro scouting directors – directors of player personnel, etc. ) DURING the playoffs, as long as they receive permission, and the interviews are conducted at a ( time and place ) that is convenient to the other team. ” So in essence, Chip could fly to Arizona,( Seattle is there ) to interview Scott Fitterer ( I like him too ) if there is ( mutual ) interest, and permission from John Schneider. Sorry, but I don’t see it happening. I would love to see Chip ask for permission to interview the NY Giants vice president of player personnel, Marc Ross. He is highly regarded, and extremely experienced at player evaluation and also RUNNING the draft room.
New QB coach Ryan Day coordinated Boston College’s offense for head coach Steve Addazio.
Addazio coordinated the offense for UFlorida under Urban Meyer.
Urban Meyer’s offense at Ohio State did some very nasty things to the opposing defense in the (mythical) college national title game a couple weeks ago.
Something for Kelly to learn from Meyer through Addazio to Day?
Or Kelly could just pick up the phone.
“Or Kelly could just pick up the phone”
Lol. The last time I checked, Meyer was implementing some wrinkles from Chip. Funny how that turned out (for Oregon). On the other hand, there is no doubt that Meyer is a great college coach, so Kelly may have learned some things, too.
If Meyer were giving a clinic somewhere this off-season . . .
every NFL team should have someone there.
All the guy does is win national championships by kicking the crap out of the opponents.
He must know something worth hearing.
Not to give clinics and tell everyone how he does it?
They tell about their schemes and reasons behind to each other all the time.
Every major college program has coaching clinics. In 2012 my coach went to the UNC one and implemented elements of Larry Fedora’s offense that had been so successful at Southern Miss, and in 2013 he went to Eugene and brought back several packaged play concepts (the most successful for us was the zone read/quick pass to the TE, where you read the frontside LB).
These clinics draw coaches from HS and lower levels of college football. NFL coaching staffs if they want to pick the brain of a college team will typically do it sometime during the summer when they can have more of a personalized sharing of ideas.
Would be nice if Ezekiel Elliott came with Ryan Day….
Isn’t that the truth.
Sure he’ll have insurance this year. And for big money.
Funny Meyer came to Kelly for help, and then he ran up the score on the birds.
Day actually has more direct ties to Meyer. He was a GA for the 2005 Gators team. Besides Meyer and Addazio that coaching staff also featured Dan Mullen and Charlie Strong, as well as Doc Holliday (Marshall’s head coach, Rakeem Cato UDFA?).
Actually the hilarious part about the national title game was the day after, all day on sports radio the major talking point was “see Oregon’s offense couldn’t beat the big boys, so Chip needs to change his offense”. Nobody seemed to notice that Ohio States offense is heavily Chip influenced and their top two running plays (inside zone, and outside zone with a pulling tackle and center) are our two staples in the run game.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/college-football-playoff-ohio-state-oregon-ducks-urban-meyer-tom-herman-offense/
He’s going from a college Eagle team to The Eagles team.
This is no big deal, the last coach took an experienced Oline coach and promoted him to Defensive coordinator! Thats innovation people!
I’m in wait and see mode as well…the concern for me in bringing in Day is that this is now Foles 4th QB in 4 years, he has limited experience and he is Chip’s guy which opens up unfortunately the cronyism aspect of the hire. I do not believe Chip would hire Day if he did not have real potential, but we are trying to develop Foles (or at least I hope we are) and win a SB in the near future. This seems a longer term growth move and even perhaps planning ahead for Shurmur potentially leaving…
I’d like to know the college player who told a scout there are 5 weeks in a year . . . who’s now playing lights out in the NFL.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20150123_NFL_prospects_at_Senior_Bowl_face_a_barrage_of_questions.html
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Would a player like that be someone Kelly would consider?
Or immediately write off?
(Let’s assume the kid has no history serious off-the-field issues, is a 3-and-done or 4-and-done red-shirt junior majoring in general studies, and . . . was highly productive on the field in college.)
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Anyone?
And really welcome the thoughts of Belichick and T-Law on this.
So many really good dumb players in the league it’d be hard to guess, but I am really curious as well.
Was laughing when i read that.
Channing crowder literally had no idea where London was… It may have been the single stupidiest most ignorant thing I have ever heard come out of an adults mouth… Dude was getting ready to play a game in London and he had no clue where it was, I felt ashamed for Humanity
Chips most likely more concerned with football intelligence, work ethic, commitment to football greatness, being accountable to the man next to you, be willing to Sacrafice ANYTHNG for the good of the team, not having to worry about losing a player to suspensions….. If a player checks those boxes, I would assume chip could put up with a player who was as dumb as Forrest bump or Ellipt SHar parker
JPP can’t do basic math, he made a pro bowl lol
The young man is being given the opportunity of a lifetime. Here’s hoping he grabs it with both hands.
The Patriots are reportedly making a big announcement at 2:30. I doubt it’s anything about deflategate as they probably want to delay that until after the Super Bowl. Unfortunately, I think it’s going to be an extension for McCourty.
Well, wait, Pats’ announcement is being covered live by NFL Network. That makes me think it’s deflategate related. Bellichick suspended?
Hopefully Day doesn’t prove weak this year.
If he is a good coach that is all that matters. Andy Reid was an line coach before becoming the QB coach in Green Bay. Sam Lynch’s logic he could not possibly know how to coach QB’s if he had never done it before or even played the position. But things seem to work out just fine for him. Why not just give Day a chance.
His logic isn’t that “he could not possibly” do it. Just nothing on his resume that says he can.
Is this what Chip meant all along when he talked about winning the Day?
If Day, from Boston, turns out to be a Belichek spy, Chip can have security take him into custody by yelling, “Carpe Deim!”
Like chung
Chung was spectacular at tackling his own teammates.
histerical!!
Adam Schefter
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Delvin Breaux, a standout CFL CB who worked out for 13 NFL teams, has reached agreement with the New Orleans Saints.
Damn.
Yeah, i honestly didnt know alot about him. Everything i read though made him seem like he could succeed in the NFL. Was hoping he would land with the Birds. If it worked out it would solve one CB spot relatively cheaply compared to a FA comig off an NFL roster.
Reportedly, the main reason for choosing NO was that they pronounced his name correctly.
lol. Im going to try and follow him this year and see how he does. Thats if i remember from now untill the start of the year. Curious about him, and i hope his neck holds up.
Damn…. They have stanley JeN Baptiste who they basically redshirted this year… I wanted Breaux, he had a quality showing against Chris Carters kid
Aren’t they already all over the cap? How do they keep signing people?
Belichick denying everything, saying they’ve followed every rule to the letter.
No non-Pats fans believes you, Bill. Great coach, ethically he’s a POS.
I don’t know why but every time I hear his name I am reminded of
http://media.kval.com/images/121127otis_day405.jpg
Otis Day and the Knights
Shama Lama Ding Dong
The New England “DEFLATRIOTS”
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my understanding is that Day didnt have much mobility… He was stylistically more similar to FOles, Barkley and Sanchez then he was to the fairytale media narrative of what the monkey Media thinks Chip looks for in a QB…
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Day isnt the QB coach one would hire to develope a guy like Hundley, Marriotta, who bring that extra running dimension to the AB position…just another higher that contradicts what the media insists on telling us that chip looks for In a QB
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Chip knows what this man is capable. He knows what type of FBI he brings to the table, so as long as Day stays here longer than one season, I’m fine with this hire… Well not fine, I’m just not going to pretend that I have close to enough pieces of this puzzle to have an opinion on whether this will be a great hire or a flop… NOTHNG to do but wait and see.
“Day isnt the QB coach one would hire to develope a guy like Hundley, Marriotta, who bring that extra running dimension to the AB position…just another higher that contradicts what the media insists on telling us that chip looks for In a QB”
Then why did Day’s QB last season rush for 1184? Doesnt that tell you he can coach a mobile QB and know how to develop a mobile type like Hundley?? (at least in college)
http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/103/boston-college-eagles
I can’t wait til this draft is over….. I CANT Wait,,, judgement day, we will finally put all the bullshit to end once and for all. Can’t wait!!!
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How many of those rushing yards came from zone reads? I don’t think I seen a Boston college game all year….But you are right, that was a bad statement on my part. .. Just because a QB played the game a certain way, doesn’t mean he is only qualified to coach QBs that are stylisticalky similar to him…for all I know the man can coach the heck out of zone reads and mobile QBs…so I definitely retract that statement…. I can’t pretend to have Any clue if this will prove to be a good hire or not. nothing to do but wait and see, then again, we probably won’t ever really know what kid of a job our QB coach is doing anyway
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Day was another QB who played under chip that doesn’t fit the fairytale Narrative we have been hearing for two years…. We spent a 4th round pick on a QB THATS too afraid to run, and signed a free agent QB who won’t be confused as a rushiñg QB… The one QB who had mobility, played like 5 games under chip and we got rid of him. To add a pocket passer…. There hasn’t been a single move made since Chip arrived that supports the bullshit narrative being regurgitated consistentky for over two years now…
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Not a single move chip has made, supports the medias narrative… Then again, anyone who thinks that an accurate passing QB, who is a great leader, and has won more than he lost wont play for chip because he doesn’t run fast ENOUGHL at this point is just a moron. Sorry, I don’t know what else to call it….
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Not sure who you are arguing against except for the stupid people.
Most people like me want Mariota because he offer all the passing Foles does and give the offense an additional dimension.
There is a great chance we wont draft a QB in this draft before the late rounds (and then we cant draw any conclusions), but that is most likely because the potential guys they might want, cant be had for the price they are willing to give.
Not arguing with anyone… I agreed with you, and admitted that the statement I made wasnt fair. Or neccessarily accurate….. What’s the problem
Was in the Car on my way to lunch today, and I heard Didingers voice on the radio, one of the few people worth listening to who appear on our airwaves…two minutes later I had to change the channel because of the worthless crap I was hearing.
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Diddy is a great source for Eagles knowledge, but he is HORRENDOUS at talking about the draft, but people trust him, so it puts false info in passionate fans minds…
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I turned on the radio, heard his voice, two minutes later he starts gushing about the chance to draft Landon Collins, the top Safety from a great program like Alabama… LOL I couldn’t believe that stupidity came out of his mouth.
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Landon Collins is like a strong Safety… His weakness is matching up man to man, and dropping into coverages.. Teams like Auburn were picking on him, throwing his way with no fear whatsoever.,., how the hell does anyone who understands what we look for in safeties possibly think that Landon Collins would be high on the Eagles wish list? How can anyone think he resembles anything like Malcolm Jenkins? We want Mirrred safeties, we love Jenkins…. THE SAFETY THAT WILL END UP P.LAYING NEXT TO malcolm, will NOT be a strong safety type. He will be coverge safety, that can handle slot WR man to man just like Malcolm jenkins…
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landons weakness is what we look for in safeties….on top of that it drives me insane when people talk about Alabama as this GREAT factor of defensive backs… Saban has great DBs in college, but it’s so rare to see his DBs live up to the hype in the pro’s…
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This is exactly what I talk about when I say our dumb irresponsible media turns us into a legion of idiots…. Tons of passionate fans, desperate for a safety will now be talkimg about how bad they want the Eagles to draft Landon Collins for the next 3 months, when in reality,Landon may not even be placed on our draft board…
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People listen to Didinger, s they trust him… Wish he would start putting in more work learning the prospects if he is going to continue talking about it….
I agree. I love Didinger, but he knows nothing about college players or the draft.
Yup, and the worst part is he pretends to have a clue, fans trust him, and they end up beilieving crap that isn’t true, bringing unrealistic expectations..
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THE ONLY good draft call that wasn’t an obvious no BRAINER that I have heard Diddy make was he liked what’s his name, rookie WR from Cardinals who caught the bomb to beat us? John brown or something? Diddy was high on him, that’s the only good draft call I personally ever heard him make..
He called Calvin Johnson a can’t miss player. But that’s not really going out on the ledge. I have to agree he’s not the best judge of college talent.
I assume he doesn’t put much work into it… Because Diddy knows the game, he knows what he should be looking for at every position.. I would think that if he were to put some work into the draft, he could be solid at it..
Collins and Jackson looking good so far.
Coates looking like Coates.
Good god how do people like Prewitt? He lets everyone have yards that they shouldn’t have. No killer instinct and just a highlight player.
Mostly people just like his size..l everyone looking for the next Kam Chancellor
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Doubt anyone can look at Prewitt and reach the conclusipn that he can be a mirrored safety opposite of Jenkins, same with Landon Collins..
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The Safety the Eagles will be looking for needs to be strong in coverage, and capable of playing man to man against a slot WR…. Anthony Harris, Drummond… Maybe even take a look at Rollins at the Safetu position..
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Then again, it dpesmt matter who we draft. If we don’t sign a free agent safety. We FAILED
He’s the last guy there to tackle someone. He has some ball skills and can hammer some players when he has the chance to. I just really dislike that he doesn’t want to do the dirty work.
I thought you liked Day and then you go and call him a More On.
Eagles offense problem 1- defenders find predictability in run game
Eagles offense problem 2- got better vs man and single high, saw more bail cover 3
Ryan Day bio:
Coordinated the Eagle run attack to an average of 212.5 yards per game, a mark good for second in the Atlantic Coast Conference and 20th among all teams in college football in 2013; the average was a 121.5-yard spike from the previous season’s average, marking the largest one-year improvement in ACC history
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@lawlornfl Day has experience marrying gap run schemes with zone blocking schemes in a way with a lot of carryover. Ran for a lot of yards
— Chris B. Brown (@smartfootball) January 23, 2015
Here is what the Packers have been doing, and what I think the Eagles will do:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-blocking-schemes-evolve-b99118136z1-227471491.html?ipad=y
This should help problem 1. Let’s see what they do about 2.
Too bad he’s the QB coach and not run game coordinator…
Don’t think it is a huge deal: Our HC/OC got it covered, Foles in year 3, Day was a QB and QB coach. I think Chip is trying to get good minds in the room to grow offensive system.
I’ve been wondering if the main focus for him this year will be helping the QBs with the read option. Because Musgrave clearly didn’t help much in that area.
4 of my favorite WR prospects for the Eagles are playing today, two on each team:
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1) Devin Smith, great deep ball threat on the outside opposite of Maclin, unlike our last deep threat Desean, he has decent size
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2) Ty Montgomery, Stanford…. QUALITY return man on ST, decent size, good route running, willing locker, nice Run after catch, playmaker in the screen game…I really like TY Montgomery because he has a chance of calling towards the end of round 2, possibly even lasting til round 3… That’s why I always list him, he is A WR I.ike for us that won’t cost a top 50 pick
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3) Dorsett 5’9 burner from Miami who claiming that he will run a 4.21 at combine which would be insanity..
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4) Sammie Coates…
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Defensively Im really really interestedi in Danny Shelton, Lorenzo Mauldin, Omigawbe
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DBs I’ll be watching Rowe, Collins, Drummond
What was the point of the pats presser?
Pats pressed?
You’ve never had a typo?
You never seen me complain about spelling or punctuation… I literally didn’t understand what you were trying to say. No big deal dude
Bryce Petty had a perfect opportunity to throw a TD strike, ajdhe grossly overthrew Hardy, not even giving him a chance at making a play
Yeah, watched that and just shook my head. Flashbacks to Sanchize trying to throw that route.
Watching kicker shank FG in senior bowl, can’t stress how awesome it is to go thru this offseason without having to worry about kickers…. 365 days ago, we were racking our brains out, petrified at the thought of another season with alex henrey since the competition we added for henrey was more known for Tackling, then actually kicking…
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Last offseason was friggin stressful from a kicker stand point… Such a blessing to have a young stud that has a chance to bring a decade of stability to our kicker position…..
curious to find out what type of trick kicker is Parkey? How are his onside kicks?
Don’t jinx us man. Kickers in general are erratic. They can be awesome one season and then go into an unexplainable funk the next.
Lorenzo Mauldin didnt set the edge and gave up that big run
Josh Shaw just did his best Bradley Fletcher impersonation…. I’m sure most of you can guess what happened lol
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sammie Coates had an awesome catch in the ENDZONE for someone with “bad hands”(blah blah Blah), shame he didn’t get both feet down….college rules are over kid!!!
Blah blah blah
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Shaw responded with a good play on Coates just now…besides that one burnt toast play he’s played pretty well
Yeah I was just about to type that… Blake Sims threw a beautiful ball on that Bomb to Coates. Shaw stayed with him stride for stride, broke the pass up at the last moment, redeeming himself for his “BradleyFletcher moment” earlier in the game..
Coates could have caught it though. Slipped through his hands.
Nothing slipped from his hands, shaw broke it up…and I’m not some big cOates fan who cares about defending him
The ball went in and out of his hands.
Shaw didn’t break it up? His hands werent all over the ball? Whatever, agree to disagree, don’t give a damn about sammie Coates or shaw…
Nope. Shaw was right behind him but the ball dropped into Coates hand then he dropped it.
Exactly. That’s what the replay showed. Good coverage by shaw though.
lol yea man. Generally these QBs haven’t looked too good. Petty hurt his stock in this game. Sims looks like he did in college, erratic with the occasional good throw, too quick to run. Mannion blows period. I have been impressed with Abdullah doing ebay he’s doing on a bum hammy. One player who has been getting open consistently is Hardy out of ECU, been a fan of his all year
Abdullah def Impressing on that hammy… At Times he reminds me of Sproles, short, but some power behind him, no dancing, no wasted movement, quick cuts and jukes when he needs to make someone miss, and turn the jets on and immediately get up fiield….. But when he starts spinning out of a defenders grasp, he reminds me of Gio Bernard…. Nice player…. Shame we have no room for RBs this offseason, unless shady is getting waived, because I adore Polk
With a title like Moron Day I expected an article about hanging out with Kempski.
Coates stock going down hard.
Looking like Stephen Hill out there.
Abdullah will be a star in the NFL.
He’s going to be good.
Petty will be a star in the NFL. Not.
His dink and dunk reminds me of Kevin Kolb.
My boy Mayle looking good.
Mannion looks like Peyton running out there.
Yea uhhh..none of these QBs are on my wishlist.
So glad Chip saved us from the Gus Bradley era.
Embodiment of mindless football jargon and cliche-ridden “motivational” tools. Seems like a good enough guy, but I’m really appreciating the higher plane of human evolution and intelligence that Chip aspires to.
MKSP:
Why do you think the Falcons think they’re getting a great coach in Dan Quinn? [hope you’re checking back]
Not that I want the guy to fail.
But how exactly is Quinn any different from Gus Bradley?
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I’m thinking Belichick (our Belichick) could run the Seattle defense and tee himself up for a HC job.
Day is there to bring a good mind in the room for merging gap runs and zone schemes. QB coach was a title needed to entice him cause he was OC already. Look at what packers did, this is where we are going. #offensewaspredictable
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-blocking-schemes-evolve-b99118136z1-227471491.html?ipad=y
Quinten with an impressive interception. We need a new Rollins in Philly!
Kids going to be a good pro. Just not sure if it will be at safety or Corner yet….
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Somehow you don’t strike me as the type of fan that would be happy to put up with a Raw rookie who won’t provide instant gratification as a rookie… Want Rollins now, but odds are you will be talking that “bust” nonsense in October when he is burried on the bench Nd you are stuck watching Cary and Nolan start lol….
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But for a fan like me, that literally expects NOTHING out of a rookie, I would love to draft this kid even If I know that he won’t ne contributing to our defense as a rookie. If Rollins gets on the field next year, it will be on special Teams…..but this is the type of kid that will require patiemce and may not even dress much next year…. I like him a lot, if he falls out of top 50
“But for a fan like me”
You honestly couldn’t be a bigger douchebag if you tried.
Somehow you don’t strike me as the type of fan that would be happy to put up with a Raw rookie who won’t provide instant gratification as a rookie… Want Rollins now, but odds are you will be talking that “bust” nonsense in October when he is burried on the bench Nd you are stuck watching Cary and Nolan start lol.
Somehow you don’t strike me as the type of fan that will stop confusing me with someone from TATE but odds are you will be hearing things without ever disclosing your nonsense source. Lol
Ok…lmao
Rofl
Muah
mwah
Mayock expressed concern about his long speed. Considering how little football he’s played, he’s got serious skills. Forty time likely makes or breaks him.
Under 4.50 and its not a problem at all.
Richard Sherman runs a 4.56
That’s the question. I really liked what I saw and he’s got better ball skills than the entire Eagles secondary combined. I did see him getting beat deep occasionally this game. Poor throws helped him out on several.
Im really a big fan of him and he looks like he might be a potential first round pick if he also has a great combine
If Jets dump percy harvin what do you think? Flyer? Maybe he reunites with Musgrave in Oakland. Crazy talented guy like that about to be out of the league.
Hell to the nah!!! Selfish cat, GUARENTEED chip wants no part of a guy like him in our locker room… If we have to take a “Flier” on a boneheaded reciever, MUch rather snatch up Josh Gordon or even Blackmon before I think about Harvin
Have to agree with you, if you want Harvin you would have just kept a more talented player in Desean who is probably less of a problem
Basically…. Harvin wants his money just like Desean, Harvin rarely is praised as a good team mate,… Heck, ATleast Desean wasnt knocking his team mates out the week of an important game… I witnessed plenty of locker room wars between brothers…..but what would have happened if Golden Tate would have hit his head on the ground the week of the SUPERBOWL when Harvin punched him? He could have ended up costing a key team mate the Super Bowl over a concussion..,
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Desean can be selfish, I’m sure he doesn’t have the best work ethic with all the sports sciemce details chip asks our players to consistently do.
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Be pretty foolish to lose Desean and replace him with an Inferior p,ayer who is probably even a bigger knucklhead than action Jackson…
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If we taking Fliers it should be on rare young talent like Blackmon or Josh Gordon, whos issues are more about struggling with their own deamons, and it’s hard to count on on them. You can’t build offenses around key players who can easily get suspended for an entire season….. But for a team like us, strong locker room in place, I wouldn’t mind taking a flier on Josh Gordon as long as we arent COUNTING on him.. What I mean is, we can’t take a flier on Gordon to replace Maclin, jordan or Huff… We have to have our normal WR corp in place, not counting on Josh Gordon…. If he happens to get it together, he would pay off im a MAJOR way
That was actually thought through very clearly and written without any of the guarantees that normally litter your writing. Who are you and what have you done with GEAGLE???
I’m not a writer dude, I do numbers…,give me a decent editor and I’ll whip you up a masterpiece with the quickness 😉
The Newark Star-Ledger reports the Eagles and impending
free-agent WR Jeremy Maclin “have hit a bit of a wall in their contract
negotiations.”
The two sides were very close to a deal at the end of the
season, but the negotiations reportedly hit a snag when Maclin switched
agents and requested more money following the season.
Not a top 10 receiver and he benefited greatly from the system. Wouldn’t give him top tier money.
I fully agree with this but they sort of don’t have an option. I’m assuming MAC’s contract isn’t done bc he’s going to wait for DEZ, Cobb. etc. to set a bar.
Yup. Maclin has the leverage here if he can largely back the Eagles into a corner. I don’t know if he’ll get Top 10 WR in FA but I bet he gets darn close from at least one team.
Seahawks GM John Schneider said re-signing impending free-agent RCB Byron Maxwell is “one of our first priorities.”
Oh well.
Doesn’t mean it will get done, they signed Cliff and KJ and in the end Wilson and Wagner are the real top priorities
Like I said, No shot he becomes an eagle..
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Although, I’m not sure how much I buy that statement from the GM… Assume he was hearing a lot of talk about Maxwell, and wanted to squash these rumors so the kid can not worry about his future during Super Bowl week
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There was a good chance they would lose Maxwell back when we hought this was Marshawns last year in seattle… They are now claiming they want to work it out with beastmode…and I don’t see how they can pay wilson, Lynch and pay 4 DBs big money… Doubt that can happen… Most likely, they will have to fill Maxwells spot with a cheaper rookie contract like Tharold Simon or some otner young player
Let them give Wilson 120 million first and then we’re talking.
Wilson — like Foles — has another year on his rookie contract.
The Seahawks can secure Maxwell and then start hammering things out with Wilson.
The off-season’s awfully long.
The only question is “cap space.”
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Seattle has MORE cap space than the Eagles right now (based on a projected $140M cap and w/out considering rollover).
http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space
‘hawks are a very well-run organization. In every phase.
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On the other hand, the Dolphins have $1.7 million in space.
If Miami traded Dion Jordan to the Eagles, the ‘Phins would not just have $6.6 in dead money.
But Miami would have a charge against the cap of $1.07 million.
Sadly — as Belichick noted yesterday — Jordan’s going no where.
That would mean Seattle is spending over 40mil a season on its secondary even though they want to make Wilson the highest paid player in the league, keep Marshawn, keep Wagner, keep Okung I mean in the end something has to give
Lynch is signed through 2016.
Okung is signed though 2016.
Wilson and Wagner are still on their rookie contracts for another year.
Only Maxwell’s a FA.
Seattle has some flexibility, I think.
I’m looking at the following website for the contract dates.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/
It occurs to me now (after reading Oreofestar’s comment) that the 2016 expiration date on Lynch and Okung are MARCH 2016.
Not after the 2016 season.
So . . . Seattle’s is going to be jammed up.
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OREORESTAR . . . I yield the floor to you.
You’re on it.
Please don’t yield me any floors lol, Seahawks simply can’t keep everyone and honestly they’ll be fine without a guy like Max anyway
Thats easy to say but you aren’t signing 25mil worth of players because they aren’t FA next year, Russell is going to get over 20mil a season Max is gonna want 8mil to be your number 2 corner, Okung will be coming up soon, Wagner is gonna want some dough too and only 24 players on the roster are signed in 2016. They’ll be fine but you can’t just say 25 mil and think they’re set
Having re-considered the info on Spotrac.com . . .
I agree with you.
Seattle’s in a jam.
They do have the benefit of waiting with Wilson and Wagner.
But I have no idea how that’d go over with them.
Or if that’s even how Seattle operates.
Wilson will get his, Wagner too. They’ll probably keep 1-2 of Sweez, Carpenter, Okung being next year. Maxwell is nice but its hard justifying paying your 4th best DB 5 years 40mil in the best secondary in the NFL when you have so many other dudes to pay
Worst part is no benefit of a 5th year option with Wilson and Wagner
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Jeremy Lane’s waiting in the wings.
I thought he was already teed up to replace Maxwell.
Will be very interested to see how JL does next Sunday.
Bottom line . . . I agree with you point: How can Seattle justify putting all that money in the D-backfield.
Especially when Maxwell can — like BGraham and Jerry Hughes — hunt around the marketplace land what’s likely a bigger deal than being offered now.
Also gets him out of the shadow of his more famous teammates. Truth is no one knows if Maxwell will be the NFL’s version of James Harden, i.e. good player who goes on to be a superstar when he leaves his original team, or if the system made him as successful as he has been. I don’t think he’s a superstar in waiting, but he is a very sound and physical corner.
I’m curious what the board thinks of Okung. Unless he’s been playing injured, I haven’t been impressed these last few games. He’s been a turnstyle.
He did play injured this season, but I never liked him much… Looks too stiff IMO
Sorry to disagree. …Lynch, his 1,300-yard, 17-touchdown running back whose four-year** contract ends after the 2015 season**.
And extend JR Sweezy
BEASTMODE is the BIGGEST priority…
..keeping the #1 RB in the NFL the past two years is a bigger Priority than paying an obscene amount of money to theor 4th defensive back…
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Shady, AP, Murray….. BEASTMODE is the only RB who gets it done in the playoffs and his team can count on him…
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Shady had more yards last year, lynch had more TDs… Then we get to the playoffs and the strength of our team, Shady and the OL,shit the bed. Our RB/OL did NOTHING and Pur young QB in his first playoff game had to bail shady out and carry us in the second half…. Shady was soft come playoff time…… Yet, playpffs role around, BEASTMODE wills his team to wins, effectively running aganst the best teams all focused on stopping him.
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Theyhave 3 DBs who recently signed big money deals.. It was going to be hard to keep Maxwell back when they were planning on this being Lynch last season…now that they want to bring him back, I don’t see how they pay a 4th DB big money….. I assume GM just doesn’t want Maxwell worrying about this being his last game when he has a Super Bowl to prepare for..
Heck seattle doeant just have playërs onexpiring contracts to sign, they are also going to extend JR. Sweezy some time before the start of next season..
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I don’t see how they Can bring back Maxwell,I just don’t believe he will be a SEAHAWK next year, butne retain ly wont be an eagle either way….unfortunately
Yeah they were talking about dropping him after the season, but don’t see how that’s possible, he basically runs that offense and i don’t see another guy like him in this draft (they’d have to spend a 1st on that RB if there was).
The guy is a hell of a player, I just find it amusing that he’s worn out two teams now with his attitude. Situation bears similarities with our departing with Desean. Difference is Desean is a good player with weaknesses that have been exploited come the playoffs. Lynch is a great player who seems to save his best ball for the playoffs. Both are headcases and I’ll be interested to see if Seattle actually retains him.
http://deadspin.com/the-nfl-should-just-leave-marshawn-lynch-the-hell-alone-1681101903
Can’t keep him, two rings is enough.
I’m more Inteested in stealing Seattles 1st round bust, 25yr old Guard James Carpenter and reunite him with Stoutland
• Schneider’s opinions on Lynch, his 1,300-yard, 17-touchdown running back whose four-year** contract ends after the 2015 season**. from theNewsTribune.com.
Lynch has also been heard to say he might quit after this season. If he’s not too beaten up, he maybe could be had for a reasonable price for a couple of years. Would take care of the “straight-ahead RB, who frequently finds the endzone” conversation.. Oh, and catches passes and blocks. As with many comments posted here, just a thought.
Sounds exactly like the guy that we dropped last year. Playmaker / misfit. I think SEA just dealt with it better.
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While I get your points you will have to take into account that you cannot simply allocate so much money to one area (in this case: the defense backfield) of your roster.
That would simply not be economical from a salary cap point of view.
That’s why I will be highly surprised if the Seahawks can keep sexy Maxy.
Nevertheless the Free Agency cannot start soon enough.
I can appreciate sam’s Twitter comment……but it was not like Lazor was tearing it up at uva as the OC or in developing QB’s……..thinks worked out with him for the one year he was here so long as you are willing to give him credit for foles 2013 year…..
I DESPISE Bellicheat, but one thing I’m REALLY ENVIOUS of is he doesn’t give a crap who the hell you are, he does give a crap how well you played last year, or even last week..If You Fumble the Ball, you are done for the day. everyone works on turnovers, but Bellicheat is the ONLY coach who makes it clear to his players that you dont get to fumble the ball away, and continue playing like nothing happened. Fumbles will not be accepted or tolerated in New England, and I’m jealous…
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The Great Shady McCoy comes out after halftime of a crucial close game,with our season on the line against a great team like the seahawks and fumbles the ball away which was the beging of the end…. If that waS Bellicheat, it wouldn’t matter how Important the game was, how great shady is, he would have been benched for the rest of the game…. And Ihave to admit that I love it!
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He is creating a culture of NOTHNG is more important than making sure you secure the ball.. And no matter who you are, failure to do so will NEVER be tolerated.. I dig that, wish it was something we would implement…ESPECIALLY when we have 3 talemted RB, and realistically if shady gets benched or knocked out of the second half of a game, we are more than capable with Polk or Sproles…
Honestly, this is why I’m so down on Huff. Yes, he flashed talent last year, but his good play to mistake ratio was completely unacceptable. I really hope he cleans that up because otherwise he’s going to become Kelly’s version of LJ Smith.
Rookie mistakes, i think he’ll quiet down next year. excited for his playmaking ability.
I hear you…. But I give him the rookie benefit of the doubt… Seemed to me like a wide eyed rookie who pressed and tried too hard to make things happen. It’s possible he learns from his rookie mistakes and cleans up those ball security issues, espeicially when the game slows down for him….
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I’m hoping Jordan Mathews takes Huff everywhere with him this summer. jordan is going to show up at Training camp looking like a scary improved WR.. Hopefully Huff keeps up with Jordans development, if Huff doesn’t keep up, Jordans game will take off and leave Huff in the dirt… But Josh is a scrappy, fighter by nature, I give him the benefit of the doubt for now…… But can’t see another year of bone headed mistakes…
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Wish our WRs would reach out to Marvin Harrison for a few weeks. WOULD LOVE to see our guys pick the brain of one of the deadliest but craftiest WRs in History…sure seemed like Kevin Green may have helped our OLBs pass rush this year, took a big jump from last year
When can tjey Eagles offer the 2012 draft class an extension? As soon as the league year starts I assume?
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WHen we talk about the 2012 class, usually the consensus is we need to get Cox and Kendricks under contract, most want us to get Boykin und contract, and a small group of intelligent, enlightened fans that know what legit young QBs look like lol want to get Nicky Rainmaker under contract…
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With that said, the smart play would be: As soon as we are allowed, we need to start negotiating with Vinny Curry! Now I don’t expect us to get a deal done with Vinny and be able to keep him here long term, but we should try to make him the best offer we possibly can for the role we will use him in, and hopefully a big shinning bonus a year before he can become a free agent entices him into signing an extension with us. We should try negotiating an extension with him just like we would next year before he becomes a free agent.. It’s a long shot, but maybe we get lucky and some security and a nice Bonus check a year early can get him to sign away his chance to get bid on by 4-3 teams NEXT year…
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In the end, his agent most likely wiill be able to talk him out of signing an extension with us. If he turns down the best offers we can make him, it verifies that we won’t be able to keep him past this season, in which case we should explore trading him for an OLB, WR of draft pick……
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The ONLY other move we really have is, let’s say we have a big offseason,buld a beast team, Nick FOles has a big year and takes us on a playpff run next year winnng a game or two and at the end of next season we look like a legit Super Bowl contemder for the 2016 season.. In That scenario, we could have the option of slapping Vinny with the franchise tag, which costs a friggn TON at his position, but we would keep one of our best pass rushers for the 2016 season when we make a Super Bowl run… But if we franchise Vinny and keep him an extra year, we can’t trade him, we will have to accept losing him for a compensatory pick…
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So our more realistc options are, trying tp extend him now, he maKes it clear that he won’t sign an extension now. So we trade him and get some valuw for a quality player I hate to see us lose for nothing after the year… Or we can NOT get any Trade Value for him, pay a TON for 1 extra year on the Franchise Tag, but instead of yhis being his last year, we would have Vinny for two years to try and win a Super Bowl with him…
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I hate having this discussion, Its going to hurt watching Vinny Tear it up as a DE opposite of Cameron wake of some other 4-3 team. Curry is easily one of my favorite Eagles. but he is too good to keep him here long term on our bench,and he is too good to lose him for nothing…. Really really hoping by some miracle we can work it out, but it doesn’t look good for his future in Philly.
GEAGLE:
I looked at Miami’s cap situation.
As noted earlier (as Belichick warned) . . . Dion’s locked in there.
Especially if Wallace is cut loose. And I don’t see how Miami can even do that.
Very sad.
We’ll see about that…
The football gods are hopefully listening.
Vafanculo a i dio di football… Quelli stronzo ci Punisce da sempre lol…
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Verdai Dion diventera un Aquilla….
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penso che tengono mIke Wallace…non anno le Palle per mandare MIke Wallace a Fanculo e mancare tutti I que soldi, poi Stanno per persere WR Hartline e Gibson..
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Penso che sti coglione tengono Wallace per questo l’ultimo anno, e Dion diventera un Aquilla Verde di Meza Note LOL
This nonsense again lol
Yooooooooo I forgot UFC was on FOX tonight!
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You better put Fox on Bud, Dan Hendersonis about to Bang it out with gegard Mousassi….but the main event is BADASS, Alexander Gustafson vs. Rumble Johnson, winner fights Jon Jones next for the title. Who you like tonight?
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Main event is TOUGH!!
Gustafson is a beast modern day VIKING vs. Rumble who is a bad mother shut yo mouth…lol… They are Fighting in Stockholm Sweden,Gustafsons home town
But but…Sixer’s Grizzlies
Don’t worry you didn’t miss anything. Fights sucked, they all ended in quick knockouts
The Dolphins are in a tough spot
Wallace totally screwed up any chance of Jordan coming here. (I think.)
The football gods, as you say, have NOT been kind to the Birds . . . on the field.
Getting Kelly, though — as opposed to Gus Bradley — big plus!
Think they are going to keep wallace for one more year…. They will most like,y lose Hartline… Go into the season with Wallace and Landry… After this season, GM, Coach, DC will all get fired and the new guys will cut Wallace…
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Wallace is a piece of crap, but that entire regime is on the hot seat…Im guessing Wallace stays for one more year,but we’ll see
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Worst case scenario we have to wait til Dion becomes a free agent to come home 😉
Fun Fact: Jason Kelce was the first 2011 player to get a new contract.
Nope Taiwan Jones
Well first good player then. Didn’t even know taiwan jones was still in the nfl.
I didn’t realize that China hadn’t re-annexed Taiwan yet.
Resigning Maclin, Cox, and Kendricks are musts this offseason. Nick, I know you disagree, but I think the Eagles would be crazy not to wait and see what he does next year. If he’s great, he gets a nice contract and if not he doesn’t. He’s still more potential than production at this point. Boykin would need to be lobotomized before he’d agree to resign here so if he’s in your future plans, you’re dreaming. Vinny we should hang on to as long as we can and accept we’re eventually going to lose him in FA. He’s too good here and we’ll never get anything approaching equal value back in trade. Let him play out his contract and then transition tag him. He will leave eventually, but we’ll get the max value out of his play as well as eventually get picks, whether they be from a team biting the bullet and signing him as a transitional FA or receiving compensational picks for him.
I don’t expect FOles to get a new deal now, but I do assume it will be announced sometime in October….don’t believe that chip needs to see Nick for another year to know he doesn’t want to lose him…….
Wow, another puzzling Tommy Lawlor quote – ” Chip is too smart to make a move without there being good logic behind it. ” Um ……. 1st round pick – Marcus Smith III …. did we forget about that, already ? I could be wrong, but I think it’s a little ( too early ) to just give ” Chip ” a pass on ( whatever ) moves he makes. Before we crown Chip Kelly a genius or football guru, we need to see what he does this off season, and see where they end up next year, when the 2015 NFL season dust settles. Only then, can we get a real clear idea, about just how ( great ) he is at his job/s. His ( GM / ? ) position hire, and his ( free agency / draft ), will tell ” me ” all I need to know.
Did you just write a pick your own ending post? Who is “me”?
No …… ” me ” means that I can only speak for ” myself ” not you, or anyone else. What Chip does in the off season will tell ” me ” all ( I ) need to know. I was basically trying to say ( in my opinion ), and not trying to say that ( my opinion ) is the, be all to end all. Just ” my ” opinion. I was just ( trying ) to emphasize that. I know ….. too many ( ) , ……. and ” ” marks.
Right off the bat, you should at least know the name of the player chosen in the first round last year.
Why … what was his name ? It wasn’t Marcus Smith II ? PS – Right off the bat, was his exact name, really the issue ? Oh, another suck up, who doesn’t like to respond to facts ….. just likes to talk about quotation marks, or parenthesis. Please, next time bring more than that to the table. That, in a word, was ” WEAK. “
Wouldnt go around bashing Marcus if I were you…… Might want to watch year two first
The logic was simple. All potential first round picks chosen. No additional trade down partners available. Position of big need in a draft with few OLBs. Thus drafted for potential.
Do we know for sure they were 0 for 31 on trade down partners from 26?
No… We could have made a trade… We worried that if we traded back again we would lose Marcus, Cardinals probably would have drafted him instead of Buchannon…. Skins would have drafted him early round two instead of murphy
Says some sources. Others say differently. I guess we’ll never know and never agree on this. What I do know is that I expect a big improvement out of Smith in year two that has him playing significant snaps at OLB and getting 8 to 10 sacks.
Don’t worry, you will come around once you see the player he grows into 😉
I never disliked the guy and have always been a fan. I took him repeatedly for the Eagles in drafts; just not in round one. Our only disagreement on him is the opportunity cost of taking him in rd 1 being necessary or not. We both like the talent.
It was rumored that there was another trade but it was all the way back to like the 40s for minimal value.
So, how many trade possibilities can you discuss in 15 mihutes? We know nothing of what truly goes on in the room. Your question is a BS response.
Ok, funny guy, how about if they had discussed one more trade possibility than they did?
An impatient impulse pick of a guy one round early is a bit different than hiring some flunky on purpose to coach the QBs. I doubt Chip hired an incompetent coach on purpose, so I’d like to have Day prove himself before I pre-judge the move as poor.
‘Deflategate’ is the dumbest and most over hyped NFL ‘scandal’ in a long time. Just really surprised it has taken up all week and been covered so heavily even in the mainstream media. ‘Bread and circuses’ I guess.
you have a better headline for the most boring week during football season
I liked “PSI: New England” more as far as headlines go, but in terms of things I’d rather they cover, I got nothing. Watching the Pats squirm is kinda fun.
I know it has been beaten to death but resigning maclin is a must. These reports lately are upsetting but something needs to get done. If he is asking for too much just transition tag him. He’s had durability issues so another one year deal may not be the worst scenario. We can’t create another hole when we have many areas to address. While we are paying our QB peanuts, we should be able to extend our 2012 draft and potentially sign a decent free agent or two after some restructured. Just don’t know how these signings are going to work with chip and homie not wanting to play on the same playground.
You can only look at the Eagles front office situation one way, if you are a intelligent person. Lurie continued to employ Roseman, to stay and be his ” friend. ” From strictly a business standpoint, Lurie is paying for two people to do the same job. Lurie already employs Rosenberg to do the salary cap evaluations and negotiate players contracts. He did it while Roseman was the GM, why can’t he continue to do it now, on his own ? He is paying Roseman $ 1.7 million a year, to do a job that he is already paying someone else to do? Does Lurie really need to pay Roseman to oversee the medical staff, and the players equipment staff ? http://work.chron.com/tips-becoming-nfl-equipment-manager-20261.html Also, lets not forget Rosemans new job, to oversee the Eagles ” strategic NFL matters. ” It is funny ( but ironic ) that when Lurie gave Roseman a contract extension in 2012, he somehow ( mysteriously ) forgot to mention it. He did not mention it ( neither verbally or by written statement. ) This time, however, he did ( specifically and intentionally ) bring it to everyone’s attention. This was ” obviously ” a ( public ) acknowledgement of Luries monetary compensation, to appease Roseman’s fractured ego. Now the Eagles ( CAN NOT ) hire a new GM, because that would ALSO be ( publicly ) admitting that Roseman has been removed from his previous position. Instead, it now currently ” appears ” that the GM position, no longer exists. Now for the Eagles and Kelly to find a preferred candidate, for employment with the Eagles, the job would be a ( lateral ) move, instead of a promotion to ” GM. ” That is why Kelly has not been able to find a top candidate who is either allowed to interview or is interested in interviewing.
How do you know what Kelly has been able to do? Or not?
Seems strangely concerned with Lurie’s money.
He’s convinced that Lurie’s a horrible owner. Having lived through Norman Braman and witnessing the clownishness of Snyder and Jones, I don’t get it.
Braman can die screaming. Keith Jackson, Reggie White, Keith Byars, Clyde Simmons, Seth Joyner, Eric Allen all left for nothing. F Braman.
There does seem to be a number of folks on philly.com who express that concern. ;~)
[…] More On Day – Iggles BlitzIt is absolutely fair to be skeptical of this hire. BC isn’t known for great QB play. But Chip is too smart to make a move without there being good logic behind it. I’ll offer up some thoughts on what he might be thinking. First, Chip does have a relationship with Day and it must be a good one. Chip coached him and then worked with Day for a year at New Hampshire. This isn’t about friendship. Chip spent 5 years coaching/working closely with him and obviously thinks highly of Day. He knows what kind of a person Day is and how committed he can be to doing what it takes to being successful. Plus, who better to teach Chip’s QBs than a man who was taught by Chip? […]
[…] More On Day – Iggles BlitzIt is absolutely fair to be skeptical of this hire. BC isn’t known for great QB play. But Chip is too smart to make a move without there being good logic behind it. I’ll offer up some thoughts on what he might be thinking. First, Chip does have a relationship with Day and it must be a good one. Chip coached him and then worked with Day for a year at New Hampshire. This isn’t about friendship. Chip spent 5 years coaching/working closely with him and obviously thinks highly of Day. He knows what kind of a person Day is and how committed he can be to doing what it takes to being successful. Plus, who better to teach Chip’s QBs than a man who was taught by Chip? […]
Just some thoughts on deflategate while we wait for Tommy to get a new post up…
This is why New England are some Krafty sons of a bitches. Going on the offensive with their press conference was an extremely smart thing to do. What the Patriots spent their week doing is determining if their was some possible scientific explanation for how their balls got to the PSI they were at.
Now, maybe their is some super secret way they rub their balls that no other team in the league uses that involves the breast milk of the rare African black rhino being rubbed into them by three young Boston ball boys while a descendant of the oracle of Delphi chants hymnals in the background and waves a censer burning the rarest herbs and spices.
But I guarantee you the Patriots didn’t do whatever this secret method is, however they will claim to have been doing it all along.
This is such a smart move, because now it publicly puts the burden of proof on the NFL, and how can they prove that the Patriots weren’t doing their dark rituals?
The NFL is extremely image conscious and this puts the ball in their court. Prove it is basically what Belicheck is saying, and without that proof its going to be hard for the NFL to give the Patriots more than a slap on the wrist.
2 other considerations are going to influence what the NFL wants to do.
The first is that this is super bowl week, and they have to weigh whether punishing the Patriots is going to make sense from a financial standpoint (the only standpoint they really care about). Will distracting from the big game with a scandal increase revenue or decrease it? I don’t have the answer to that.
The second is another Belicheck special. By casting doubt on the accusations (as ridiculous as the explanation is and as guffaw worthy him casting the Patriots as some sort of rule following paragons of virtue is) Belicheck is going to slow down the tide of public outrage. Again, the league is more likely to act if they believe it will appease the public, because they don’t want to do anything to “damage the shield” or whatever lame way Roger Goodell would phrase it. This is another reason why going on the offensive is a very, very smart thing to do.
Sadly any doubt should have been erased on the public’s part just watching Tom Brady’s presser. He couldn’t have looked more guilty unless he started blushing and looking down at his feet, shuffling them. He was caught and he knew it, and he’s not nearly a skilled a liar as Belicheck is (I guess Brady needs some of Belicheck’s borg implants).
However, this offensive move by the Patriots puts them in the best possible position to avoid any severe punishment by the league. Most teams would simply deny deny deny and then bury their heads in the sand, which would permit the public outrage to grow and grow. Not the Patriots, who have effectively cut the public outrage’s momentum down at the knees and put a very difficult burden of proof on the league in one fell swoop.
I admire the Patriots organization and their Machiavellian ways, the same way you would admire a particularly effective dictator or smooth con man. You don’t approve of what they’re doing, but you have to admit they are good at it.
I’m the “key master”, are you the “gate keeper”? Lol
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The mighty NFL is conducting one of its “super thorough investigations” again (can’t even fuckin type that with a straight face… NFL claims to have interviewed 40 people already. Yet a friggin week has passed and they haven’t even made an attempt to talk to BRady, the guy who handles the ball all game and would benefit most from this? What a joke…
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Any QB who casually pretends the shape off the balls dont matter to him each week is a damn liar… Since high school level every QB, Kicker and Pumter Obsess over the balls they use in games… And this clown acts Like no big deal, he will throw whatever ball some 12yr old ball boy presents? You a damn Liar….. If there is a concrete track around the football field, QB will be hanging the ball against the concrete trying to get the air out and screw with the texture…
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Every QB, kicker and Punter that got to this level, CARES about the halls they use each week. Go ask Parkey or Donnie LOngball how much they care about the conditions of the balks each week…it really does matter….. Doubt there has been a ball that the Patriots have played with the past 10 years that BRady didn’t approve of… Balls aren’t getting used unless BRady signs off, and if he acts like he doesn’t care THATS a blatant lie
I agree, Brady just dug his hole deeper by pretending he was oblivious to the balls. I love that John Madden of all people came out and said this is all on Brady because he is the only one who would dictate how he wanted the balls to be.
Lies on top of lies. Not a good look. Just makes him look guiltier than he already did. If there was really no wrong doing he would have no problem admitting he closely monitors what goes on with his game balls and didn’t think there was any problem.
Yup yup… Seriously, if Brady’s best defense, would have been to throw the kicker or punter under the bus, they are the only two players who would care about the balls as much as BRady…….
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Lol bellicheat had his second press conference yesterday to announce they won’t talk about this any more? lol we will see,about that you scumbags
Kicker’s get to use different balls. They have the ‘k’ balls, so Brady couldn’t throw them under the bus. The most hilarious part of Bellichick’s presser to me was the ‘something we do artificially increases the psi’ line. I’m sure every scientist started rofl over that.
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/21/ravens-patriots-afc-divisional-underinflated-footballs
Really not surprising. Wouldn’t be surprised if Brady’s been doing this for years. A lot of former players have been implying that this is common throughout the league. Fact that it’s a team with a history of skirting the rules is the main reason we care.
“This is the end of this case for me for a long time”- is that what you think Bellicheat? Lol who the fuck are you to claim you are done with this line of questioning and you will take yourself off the hook? We will see about that Pal…. You must forget how superbowl media day works LOL… What a scumbag
Goodell is the only person who has a vote on this.
The difference in Goodell’s reactions to Spygate and Bountygate tell you all you need to know about how I expect this to be handled.
Would it make you happy if Richard Sherman did his press conference with a pressure gauge?
While he wears a custom New England “deflatRIOTS” jersey during the press conference? YES PLEASE!
I can’t imagine he won’t stir the pot in some way.
Hell yeah… That entire team is going to run its mouth all week and spend media day ripping the Patriots publically…. Hate the seahawks, but they should make for a very entertaining media day…. If there is one team that doesn’t give a crap about bulletin board material its seattle…
Makes them hard to root for, but it sure can be entertaining.
Sucks that I have to root for the seahawks now… The seahawks have to win! It will be GLORIOUS to see the Patriots lose another Super Bowl since they got caught “Spy Gating(inew word? Lol)…. Patriots get bashed enough for not being able to win a Super Bowl since they got caught cheating… It will be awesome to see them lose another SB right after everyone is convinced they cheated two weeks ago.
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I was going to stay Nuetra for this SB…. But the Patriot Bashing that will rain down on them if they Lose again, will be glorious … A bunch of KNOWN cheaters, lose another SB two weeks after getting caught cheating again…
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Even better the Super Bowl is in arizona, where they shit the bed and pissed away their perfect season loosing to an average Giant team with a great front 4….Love to see them blow it agan in Arizona.l
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I just rolled up my morning Joint, now I’m going to “Blow It” like the Patriots…l.bwahahahahhahah
There was nothing great about watching the Giants win a Super Bowl. The only great thing to watch with the Giants would be if the entire team was jogging on the field, blew out multiple leg regions, ended their careers, and then had their team taken away and moved to Mexico City, Tokoyo, or Moscow. F the Giants and their fan base especially.
I Sure as hell didn’t enjoy a crap Giamts team winning the Super Bowl… Easier to except if they were a legit great Giant team…. I Still don’t think those Giants teams were true SUPERBOWL caliber teams…. But if I have to watch the Giants wi a SB, the one team i would want them to beat is NE
I think they’re scum.
I don’t even think that’s debateble… Pretty accurate if you ask me
Changed YOUR team loyalty, have you.
Re ‘just a formality’ to sign Big Mac:
I am hearing that Maclin will test the open market and wants to wait for the contracts Dez and Cobb will sign, respectively.
This will be a fun off season, ladies and gentlemen.
I don’t blame Maclin if he wants to see if he can get 5 years / $55 mil + on the open market and I don’t blame the Eagles if they let him walk if Maclin won’t sign a deal that protects the Eagles in the event Maclin is doing another clutch and grab on his knee while rolling around on the ground.
Totally agree with you. While Mac may be a good WR, he’s just not worth top 10 money.
So you rather go into next season with Cooper as the number 1?
It isn’t about Cooper. It is about what other players we may lose if we pay Maclin too much to stay…………especially if we’re stuck with dead money if his knee junks again.
Where did I say that?
Of course not. But if I could choose I rather spend 2-3 million a year more for a game changer at that position (Dez can you hear me?!) should Maclin really ask for $11m/year.
Problem is there is a great chance neither Dez or Thomas hits FA, that leaves Maclin as the top FA WR.
Of course I rather want Dez, but I also know he will get 16+ mill in FA.
That would leave Cobb as the top FA WR and Maclin 2nd.
I love Cobb, but if you have Rodgers throwing to you, your stats will always be better than combo of Nick Foles and Mark Sanchez
Yeah no way Cobb would be better for us than Mac-boogie
I think Cobb would do a better job taking the lid off of the D, thus helping McCoy’s numbers.
Cobb is not a burner at all, he is a slot WR.
Also Maclin has plenty long speed, Foles and the OL just blew asses to start the season
I’ll stand corrected on that. Maclin has a .5 higher yards per catch than Cobb for their careers.
Lol. See my post above. Cobb is not a slot WR only.
I think Maclin is a greater outside WR than Cobb, but you also seems to think Maclin is only a top 20 WR where you rate Cobb much higher
I have posted my Personal WR rankings a couple of weeks ago. Afair Maclin came in at 11 or 12.
By the way I have never said rating Cobb much higher. In fact they are pretty even in my eyes. Cobb happens to be just incredibly young still.
That burner who can “take the top off” in reality only does so a few times per season. DiccSean had several exciting highlight catches, but the facts are that during two different years with the Eagles, he only had 2 touchdowns, Another year he had 4. In 2010, he had only 6 TDs. Threats and occasional highlight catches get people excited, but they seldom win games. Pay Maclin. Between him and Matthews, they had FOUR TIMES the number of touchdowns as DiccSean in 2014.
http://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver/
Here are the current deals for WRs.
If Maclin gets 11 per year, point me to 10 WRs better than him that makes less than that but isnt on a rookie deal or deal older than 1 year (cap has gone up almost 20 mill in last two seasons, so cant compare deals from before 2013)
The Eagles already, in part, walked away from a better WR than Maclin (Jackson) due to salary averages being in the $11 mill / year range at the time they got rid of him.
It is very well possible that the Eagles don’t view WR as a position worthy of that large of a cap hit.
I disagree on the Jackson part, I have always liked Maclin more because he produces in the RZ and gets more TDs
And there in lies our disagreement about what to pay Maclin.
WE do not actually know why the Eagles let Diccsean go.
Kelly never had a truly dominant receiver at Oregon, so there may be some truth to this. Maclin’s a much more complete receiver than Djax but I agree, he’s not a true game changer. Still, given that it seems 15 – 16 M a year is what we think Dez and DT are lookiing at, 10 – 11 M a season seems more reasonable for Maclin.
This is not about past contracts. It’s about opportunity costs, my European counterpart.
And with this year’s FA WR class being the best in a long time you’d have to consider what other options – if not better – are out there apart from Jeremy Maclin.
Who would you pay more than Maclin who are realistic going to hit the open market?
For me Dez and Thomas is not realistic options.
Would you let Maclin walk, draft WR early again or trade for Vincent Jackson for a 4th and just pay him $10 mil / year for the next two with no guarentees?
No, I think Maclin is the better WR at this point than Jackson and using a potential 1st+4th just to replace Maclin is waste of draft picks
I agree Maclin is better than Vincent Jackson as an overall WR, but V-Jax would be better over the top, Matthews / Huff could pick up some of Maclin’s slack underneath, and if the guy is potentially better than Maclin a #1 pick on a WR wouldn’t be a waste.
I think you overvalue “taking the top off”, but that means we never will see eye to on Maclin.
I do not mind drafting a WR early even if we keep Maclin, but only if the WR is Strong or White (would LOOOOOOOOOOOVE White)
True enough there. In either case, I’m quite sure the Eagles have an exact number in their head for Maclin’s value. If gets offered money in excess of that, I’m sure they have guys in mind they’ll use instead.
That White from WVU?! Count me in!!!
yea, he is what Cooper is suppose to be
Apart from the small fact that Cooper will never have the potential / talent that White has.
That was my point, the Eagles want Cooper to be the big body WR who can win jump balls, something White is 1000 times better at than Cooper
You mean ‘unrealistic’ in terms of those two won’t ever hit the open market or unrealistic with regards to them never becoming an Eagle should they indeed hit the open market?
Combo, I do not think they will hit the open market and if they do hit the market, I cant see us pay 16+ mill that they will get
But now you are assuming. Just like everyone else on here.
That’s why we are playing the ‘IF’ scenarios. Besides my feelings that DT hitting the open market is more realistic than you currently believe.
But to answer partly your question:
1. Dez
2. DT
3. Mac / Cobb
The first two I would pay 2-3 million more than Mac will be getting in the end.
If you can have Cobb for the same money or even less, then I’d be tempted to sign him given his younger age and lack of injury history. And before you say ‘he’s just a slot receiver’ then this is simply not true.
I’d tell you that DT getting tagged is the worst that’ll happen with him in Denver if Manning comes back. More likely Julius Thomas is going to be the guy who they let walk because TE is very easy to fill in a hurry if you only need a guy to catch passes.
Also, DT @ $12.7 mil (anticipated tag for WRs) is a steal for a year considering he’ll get more than that in a long term deal per year.
Where did you hear that nonsense? Some local hack. Elliot Shor parker a awesome make believe “sources”? Worth-LES BOWAN? J(ack ass)EFF McClane? Blowhard Caplan?
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Not losing much sleep over Maclin. Hewill be an eagle…
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You are familiar with the art of negotiating?
One party starts on one end of the pay spectrum, the other party is on the opposite end, and spend time ime debating where they will meet in between…
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If FA started tomorrow youhave a case to worry, right now, we should be fighting to try and get his extension down…. But as soon as the deadline to get the deal done appoaches, things will intensify and we will get it done..
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Btw, Howie just got back from his family vacation this past Thursday or Friday. He has been on vacation since soon after the power struggle ended….Howie is still a money guy,… You are entitled to have your oppinion. I certainly don’t have concrete evidence that would mKe this a non debateable issue……but personally, I genuinly don’t have a single concern about Losing Maclin…l. I just don’t see it happen…. If you are hearing “Leaks”, they are strategic leaks intended to put pressure on the other side,
…Hakuna Matata dude!
I don’t hear more or less from my nonsense resources that would like to stay unnamed than yours, mate.
I’m going to have to stop sharing… It’s pointless anyway, I can lead a donkey to water, but I can’t make em drink LOL
Please. Never. Stop. Sharing.
It’s always about give and take. We love to read your hearings!!!
Sucks for you then LOL I’m going to stop putting more into this then I get back. Cheers
Nooooooooooo
“I’m going to stop putting more into this then I get back. ”
No! You’re so so close to a lucrative career in Eagles blogging! Just need to start your own site and post all your thoughtful, well-reasoned, expert analysis there. Maybe sprinkled with some “insider” info from your “source” that you sometimes “hear” things from, you know, just to keep things interesting.
I think you should go for it man. Carpe diem.
The information comes from Caplan and then was “confirmed” by someone else in the local media, I don’t remember who. The info they are reporting is that the Eagles and Maclin were very close to a long-term deal and then Maclin changed agents to Tom Condon and that has complicated things. Reportedly the Eagles had a good relationship with Maclin’s old agent and a more adversarial relationship with Condon.
Odds are that Caplan is another nonsense source to GEAGLE.
If they can’t get him extended long-term, they’ll give him either the franchise or transition tag. The only way I see that not happening is if the Broncos gave their tag to Julius Thomas instead of Demaryius Thomas and the Eagles decided to target him instead.
But then you’d actually pay Maclin $12.7m. That’s a huge commitment for someone who’s not top 10 at his position.
He was 9th in the entire NFL in receiving yards, tied for 11th in receptions by WRs, tied for 9th in receiving TDs by WRs, tied for 6th in receptions of 20+ yards overall, and 3rd in receptions of 40+ yards overall. Now I’m sure that there are other advanced stats that take into account pace of play, but he definitely can be argued(by his agent at least) as being a top 10 WR.
http://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver/
Putting Maclin 10th overall is fair, but that shouldn’t equate to $10 mil + / year if you look at the list of WR contracts.
I think the best option is giving him a transition tag instead of the franchise tag. Teams can’t pull that poison pill nonsense anymore. We have the option of matching and I don’t see any other team giving him an outlandish contract that we wouldn’t be willing to match. If they do, well good for him and we can use the resources on other players.
Transition tag would make more sense at appx. $11 mil, but I still don’t like setting the bar at that number for Maclin. I like it a lot more than $12.7 though.
I don’t think giving him the franchise or transition tag sets the bar so that he would get an annual salary at the same rate in a long-term deal. The percentage of guaranteed money in a deal is what is most important and that would be impacted by the potential of giving him a tag if a long-term deal wasn’t agreed to.
Fair enough. From an OVR point of view Maclin barely misses my personal top 10. But that’s different taste I guess 😉
I’ll echo German on the franchise tag. The problem with telling Maclin that he’s worth $12.7 million for the year is that you set his yearly compensation for a long term team in that range as a result.
But Maclin is getting in the area of 10+ mill in FA anyway, the tag tells him nothing he do not know or wont know once he hit FA
What’s a few million between friends? I’d argue that there is a huge difference between 5 years / $45 million on the Cooper contract structure (the deal I think Maclin is worth) and 5 years / $50 to $65 million with higher percentages of that deal guaranteed.
Cooper’s deal looks terrible when you’re trying to relocate Maclins
http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/bill-nye-the-science-guy-says-bill-belichick-is-full-of-1681658679/+bubbaprog
More deflategate stuff. Appearantly Bill Belichick completely invented any “science” in his explanation of what happened to the game balls.
Every lie indicates further that they are trying to hide something.
But they won’t be consequenced until after the Super Bowl is over, and I don’t mind that. I think this falls more under gamesmanship than outright cheating, but still should be punished.
An interesting distinction, but probably accurate.
In either way, I’m tired of this during the Super Bowl but want to see New England punished again.
I’m actually more interested in what’s going on with this than the super bowl itself. The fact that Belichick would completely invent “science” as a rationale for what happened shows the depth of his contempt for the public at large, and I also think it shows that he is feeling fairly threatened right now.
I’ll get into the game when it rolls around but for now this is pretty compelling stuff for me. Maybe I’m just weird.
I’m not a scientist, but…………………..
Could be, haha. ;).
Just think how different the grand narrative about Belichik and Brady would look if they had a WIN taken away every time they were suspected of, or caught, cheating over the last 10 years. Fining means nothing to multi-millionaires. Take away the glory.
Did you see what that clown was wearing? Just the fact that he put on a dress shirt,with the sleevs rolled up, and nice Pats jacket on, instead of looking like the bum he looks like on a daily basis, tells us everything we need to know… Friggin bullshit dog n pony show
The bestpart for me is BRady pretending he hasn’t cared about the conditions of the footballs in his entire illustrious career… What a BLATANT LIE!
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kicker,s punters, QBs are obsessed with the conditions of the footballs theyare to use,,
not to mention NFL players, are superstitious creatures of habbits… You can bet your Ass that Tom Brady has made it clear EXACTLY HOW HE WANTS his footballs, and that failure to provide balls the way he likes them, will get you chewed up and spit out by Tom Brady himself.
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NFL players (most of them) are obsessed with their routines, how they tape their ankles, how the balls feel each week, what time they take their nap, making sure they listen to a certain song, a certain amount of time before the start of the game…locker rooms are so damn insanely supersticious. For example:
back when Ray Rhodes was coach, our Locker room was sersticious about Ranch Dressing. every single game day meal was always the same home and away… Players got a baked potato, dry chicken breasts, that you needed Ranch Dressing to eat. Even team breakfast, they put out all the breakfast food, but tomaintain tbeir superstition they would even set up a station with the Bakd potatoes, dry chicken cutlets and the ranch You had to eat them with….. One game on the Road, they didn’t have dressing, bunch of the players made such a big deal about it, not wanting to play the game if they didntn go get dressing…..how the story ended? Some equipment manager had to go get Ranch Dressing!
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NFL players are a combo of extremely superstitious and OCD… Creatures of habbits. You can bet your ass that If there is a ball not tailored exactly how TOM likes his footballs, there will be hell to pay with BRady going Godzilla on some poor ball boy
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For the “Golden boy” to blatantly lie like that was a joke… Every NFL player KNOWS BRady was Lying
At noon on NFL network, there is a half hour segment showing a recap/highlights of the Eagles losing the Super Bowl to the deflatRIOTS
have you seen this?
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/25/7887057/patriots-deflategate-fumble-rate-tom-brady-bill-belichick
The Pats fumble at a very, very statistically unlikely low rate. Maybe b/c their footballs aren’t as hard to hold.
Yes, and I think GEAGLE has pointed this out a couple of days ago. The Patriots not losing one single frigging fumble at home all season cannot be coincidence only, can it?!
No I brought up the fact that bello gel is the only coach that doesn’t accept fumbling. Amazing how well they hold onto the ball when they k ow they won’t get another snap the rest of the game when they fumble the ball. Doesn’t matter how great you are, how big the game is, fumble the ball and bellichej will bench u the rest of the game
Then I must have confused you with someone else. Mea culpa.
no worries, im not gonna take someone elses credit tho
Or statistical outliers happen, see Josh McCown and Nick Foles last year
I’m not sure how Foles is an outlier, he only had about one year of experience. The fumble article talks about games since 2010, which is a bigger sample than one year.
It could be explained by the deflation of balls.
Correctly guessing all of your opponents plays could just be a statistical outlier too, or it could be cheating.
Foles last year was an outlier because that td/int ratio is not normal. I havnt seen the fumble study, but did they do any T-tests etc?
This organizations makes me sad sometimes. Drop djax, overpay cooper, be in a position where you have overpay maclin b/c of the market AND b/c there’s no other veteran receivers on the team, need to (but won’t) overhaul the secondary, internal strife means we can’t get a good GM so we’re interviewing pollan AGAIN?
From the inside I always think we have a well run organization but man if we aren’t in a mess.
I found myself wondering a lot this year if foles’ regression was related to lazer leaving.
Unless Musgrave told Foles to throw of his backfoot or float back in a perfect pocket, it had nothing to do with it
Ha. I think my point is maybe lazer pointed out certain flaws and made foles work those aspects harder or maybe he had certain drills that Musgrave didn’t run that worked to really nail things down for foles.
The pocket awareness specifically seemed like something they should have been working on consistently and we didn’t see nearly as much of that last year. Maybe it’s a product of shaky o-line but I don’t even remember him drifting as much in his first year when o-line was in shambles
Lazor was a bit of a hard a$$. I heard he irritated his QB’s a bit, but he got results. We miss him.
We’ll agree to disagree on that. I really wasn’t impressed with Musgrave all season. Sure, I was irritated with Foles habit of drifting back, but it given that he hadn’t showed that habit the previous year, coaching probably had something to do with it.
Musgrave didn’t get Foles to correct it, either…
Consider Foles have had the backfoot thing since college and even did it in 2013, I doubt any QB coach can fix it.
The floating back in the pocket is most likely Foles not trusting his protection
It was rare in 2013. Yes, he’s had the habit for years, but Lazor helped keep it from being a major problem in 2013. You’re probably right in that he’s never going to completely break it, but hopefully Day can get him back to rarely doing it.
I guess it’ll be now or never for Foles evolving beyond that in 2015 or we have to get a guy who can set his feet better in the pocket if Foles doesn’t come around.
Absolutley must get a guy who can function in a pocket and make progression reads with accuate throws. I hope Foles can do it.
I’m really curious as to who my fellow Eagles fans like at QB that’s available this year. It really is a horrible year for QBs..
Mariota – Must improve his ability as a pocket passer and we have about a 0.02% chance of actually getting him.
Winston – Most pro ready of the college QB’s but a headcase that has Ryan Leaf written all over him.
Hundley – Does a better job stepping up in the pocket and scanning the field than I originally thought, but still is a long ways away from a finished product. Not as good an athlete or arm as I thought based on the hype either.
Petty – Raw as a pocket passer and has a very questionable medical history to boot.
Every other college QB – MAJOR PROJECT.
Long and short is that we desperately need Foles to prove that 2013 wasn’t a complete fluke.
I’d agree that we need Foles to do it in 2015 or we have to invest in the draft in 2016. I don’t the the availability / pocket ability mix of this year’s guys.
If we have to start over in 2016 with a new QB, we’re almost certainly another two years or more away from then. Also, there’s a high chance Chip won’t be our coach anymore. Ugh.
I’d like to think Lurie is patient enough to give Chip a full 5 years.
And if we have Shady, a good O-line, great special teams, and an improved D; we still should win this division each and every year. We were one gutless and unfocused choke loss to Dallas this year away from being a playoff team yet again.
Fact that we’re so close to being a playoff worthy Superbowl contender is what makes the QB situation so frustrating. I like Nick, but I won’t pretend his regression this year wasn’t alarming. We need to retool/rethink our secondary, but our defense is close. Offensively, we’re a QB away from being exceptional. It’s not so much Lurie’s patience I don’t trust as it is Chip’s. I’m not on the “he’s going back to college” train that people start claiming every offseason, but do you see him staying 10 years without a quality QB?
10, no. But having to get a new one in year 4, why not?
And if the stories about him wanting to choke out boosters are true; he’s not trying to go back to college just yet.
Hundley has a very good arm in my opinion, but you’re correct that he’s not that great of an athlete for his reputation.
He’s not a dynamic athlete like Mariota or Vick – but with that said, he’s more than “enough” athlete to be able to run the read option effectively.
How does that help make progression reads in the passing game from the pocket?
I think you should watch some more tape of him. He’s really not as bad as advertised in this area.
I agree with that assessment. I watched a couple game tapes of his and his arm is okay. He doesn’t drive the ball consistently and needs a lot of work on his mechanics. I came away thinking he’s a better project than I initially thought, but still a project. My gut says don’t take him before the second round, but I won’t pretend to know how teams will evaluate him from a ‘where to draft him’ perspective.
Considering he probably won’t be expensive and the other options available aren’t appealing, I’d target Jake Locker. Sleeper pickup in trade: Chase Daniels.
Reclamation project and a never been project. Hard to get excited about either of them. I’ve heard a few talking heads comment on Cutler, but I want nothing to do with that either.
You have to assume with the hire of Fox that the “Trade Cutler” talk is done. Fox F-ings hates rookie QBs and/or young teams in rebuilds.
The worst part with Foles was not the back foot, but that he went from a guy who managed the pocket well, to not trusting his pocket at all
Let’s look at Polian’s record more in depth. I can’t really speak on the hatchet job he got in a Bob Kravitz article where he was ripped on but he had the GM title from 2009-11. They were 14-2 in 2009, 10-6 in 2010 and 2-14 in 2011. In 2011, Manning got hurt. You could say they should have had a better QB but their philosophy was to spend the cap room on weapons for Manning rather than on a backup QB who based on Manning’s track record up until that point would never play. In addition, Irsay has admitted that in the second half of that season they were trying to lose to position themselves to get Luck.
There are nepotism arguments against Polian and I’d agree he got his start because of that connection. However, it’s not as if he was immediately given a significant title. His first job was as an assistant in the player personnel department with the Sacramento Gold Miners in 1993. He got a job with his father in Carolina as a scout in 1994. He moved with his father to Indy and was the director of pro scouting from 1998-2000, the assistant director of football operations from 2001-2003, the assistant general manager/football operations in 2004, and the vice president of football operations from 2005-2009. He was promoted to Vice President and General Manager in 2009. Now I won’t say he necessarily earned it as I don’t know exactly what the mechanics were there and he could have been promoted above people who deserved it more(or just thought they did), but it’s not as if he’s a newbie with no experience. The Colts’ record from 1998-2010 was outstanding and while a lot of it was Manning it would be fooly to think that no one else there was contributing. After leaving the Colts, he was hired by Atlanta as an executive scout in 2012 and Jacksonville as the director of pro personnel from 2013-14. Now he got that job largely through his connection to David Caldwell, who was a long-time scout for the Colts. To me though that’s a good sign as it shows that someone who worked with him a long time thought highly of his abilities and he wasn’t this hated figure that the Colts media tried to portray.
I’ll allow you guys yourself to look at their draft record from 2009-11. IMO, it wasn’t great but it wasn’t horrible either.
Didn’t Tommy say a few weeks ago that the Polians were well known for just drafting players they liked when they felt like it and not worrying at all about how other teams valued them?
If reports from last year are true, that is the worst kind of guy to be in Chip’s ear.
Like room full of teenage boys all pumping each other up into some type of anti-social behavior.
things like this will be the reason we take erick dargan in the second round when he sucks.
I can’t predict that level of doom and gloom just yet.
Totally unconfirmed rumor that I may or may not have just made up: Kelly wanted to take Will Murphy in the 4th round in 2013.
That may be true but this is Kelly’s hire so that may be exactly what he’s looking for. They’ve given Kelly complete control. Either it will be awesome or flame out completely.
Or we could look back and say Kelly was a great OC bu they never should have given him full reins. I think that’s typically how this works.
Seems like the choice was that or have Kelly go back to college.
yeah but if it was that bad you know things are all the way f*cked up. Moreover, that means if he wants Mariota he’ll get him, not more of the “building the slow way”.
Also if he hires polian, gotta think Roseman wont get anywhere near the war room on draft day.
Josh Gordon failed another drug test. Guess he better go back to that car dealership. So much money — gone.
Come on kid WTF! Tired of being cheated out of such a special Talent because this kid is a jackass… Like I’m sure half the league uses some drug recreationally, not to mention a good amount of players take aderal… ATleast grow some damn brains and stop getting caught you donkey,,,what an Idiot.. Give it a year or two, when the jackass runs out of money, he is going to hate himself for all the special gifts and privileges he is pissing away…. So what’s this mean, another year long suspension over a joint(assuming it was pot)?
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I hate this damn kid. He isn’t even an Eagle, but I loved watching him play and this morron is pissing it all away. I’m not gonna tell him to stop smoking pot or whatever he is doing, But WTF kid, stop gettng caught
Because he got a DUI and is in the drug policy, he now fails a drug test if it tests positive for alcohol. That’s what happened. Wasting his career.
He got ANOTHER DUI? As in, he was arrested last night?… Another year long suspension?…
No, but because he had a DUI previously he’s subject to random drug tests and he fails the test if it shows up positive for alcohol consumption. For him, alcohol is a banned substance.
I know a lot of people are probably going to scream ‘that’s not fair!’ but he has to show self control. It’s not like he wasn’t aware of the rule, he just figured he could get away with it. As I said above, absolute waste of talent.
If he’s bored and needs a hobby besides alcohol / weed, he just needs to go do a bunch of autograph sessions in the Cleveland area and find some pig groupies to go play with after the autograph session is done.
What’s there to do in Cleveland though?
Pig groupies that would hook up with Gordon. He could do them!
get drubnk and smoke weed. Putting Johnny Football on a team w/ Josh Gordon was a terible idea.
unless you’re filming a sit com.
oh ok thanks… Anon post was the first i heard of this.
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such a shame that america is continuously being cheated out of such a special talent. its like if Davinci would have kept the mona Lisa locked in his basement never letting anyone see it….infuriating that we are cheated out of one of the most special talents in the NFL, and its a shame this kid is doing so much harm to his life, starting with his career….
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Chips obsession with only adding boyscouts to our locker room can get annoying at times, but times like this you appreciate our coach making sure we are never in this position. Its bad enough that we are cheated out of so many players due to injuries, overcoming the insane amount of injuries we suffered this year was hard enough. cant also be losing players due to being irresponsible donkeys…
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Gordon isnt the only NFL player getting Drunk and high, if he is going to continue the substance abuse at least stop getting caught…. Josh Gordon failing a substance abuse test is not even news anymore with how common its becoming. im more curious to know how many drug tests has this moron actually passed?…. kid better get his act together. someone needs to mentor this kid, or he will end up having to live with some horrible regrets
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wheres Dungy? Chris Carter? Dion? someone needs to help this young man, he is running out of chances
What a shame./
Waste of talent. Him and Blackmon both. Sad.
He failed for alcohol. Which is kind of BS
that is stupid.
I have a serious problem with this. Who the F is the NFL to tell a grown man he can’t consume a perfectly legal substance?
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Did he show up to a game drunk?
Did he get a DUI last night?
DID he get arrested last night for drunken behavior?
DID he fail this test before he turned 21yrs old?
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But this kid ismt going to play for an entire season because he consumed a legal substance that gives him ZERO COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE? Are we fucking kidding?
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I hope Goodell gets HAMMERED by the Media for this…a week ago the patriots cheated..7 days later the NFL still hasnt even talked to TOM Brady the guy who stands the most to gain from the deflated ball and the guy who touches the ball more than anyone… They haven’t had the time to talk to to, BRady but they have the time to suspend this young man for anotner year for something’s no one gves a shit about??. Hope the media hammers him over and over how he can do this to a young man, but hand out a two game sue spin when a despicable poor excuse for a man knocks out a woman worse than Craig Did tp Dee-Bo?
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How about you worry about stopping the same franchise from cheating for the 37th time, instead of this bullshit…who the Hell cares what Josh Gordon drank some night when he wasn’t playing football? How can this even be allowed? Take this ish to the Supreme Court because something needs to change in the NFLs priorities
Guess it stems from his previous DUI.
Now that Gordon is Gor-DONE, does Cleveland become a bigger player / payer in the free agent WR sweepstakes? I’m sure Cobb, Maclin, Sorry Receiver Crabtree, and T. Smith will have their agents on the phone.
yup they have lots of money, but they also have 2 1sts again.
And a history of being stupid and aggressive with both.
Anyone more plugged into the college game than I know of a good QB prospect for the 2016 draft? Christian Hackenberg is the highest guy listed on Walterfootball and he really struggled this season. This year is filled with guys we are almost certain to not get or major projects. Curious if there’s someone out there that people want looking down the road a year.
too early to tell honestly. Probably one of the 3 guys form ohio state
Media Mike’s head would explode if we took any of them. Great physical talents, all of them, but they make Mariota look like Dan Marino when it comes to pocket passing.
True. We don’t need to be soiling this league with more run around jabronis.
Hack, although he has great arm talent and such, is very line dependent.
Hogan from Stanford. Cook from Michigan State.
Not a Hogan fan at all. Cook has promise.
Hogan may got UDFA.
Cook is interesting.
I agree on Cook. Very interesting combo of guy with pocket skills and the wheels to pull it down and move when it needs to happen without sacrificing the ability to keep looking for passing targets.
Goff from Cal is the best college QB.
Credit for being the one to mention I haven’t either watched or even heard about. I’ll have to check him out.
.NICKY RAINMAKER!mFOLES!!!! 😉
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Was thinking about the prospect of Nick failing to recapture his 2013 form. I don’t expect him to ever put up those numbers again, but he’s got to get back to stepping up in the pocket instead of drifting back and throwing off his back foot constantly. If he fails to do that, you may be his only fan left.
Massively too early. There will be 5 or 6 guys being tossed around in August, and more of them will be day 3 than first round guys.
Draftniks love Goff from Cal.
I’m partial to Gunner Kiel from Cinci.
Both will still be underclassmen (draft eligible though) next year, so don’t fall in love.
Thanks D3FB. Mere curiosity and speculation on my part. I’m really not high on the Eagles QB situation if Nick fails.
To me it’s why you almost have to take Hundley at 20.
Took the time to watch some tape. His tools aren’t as good as I thought, but he’s a little more advanced in QB skills than I thought as well. I like how he steps up to work the pocket and he has a good understanding of how to run the R/O. Arm is ok, but mechanics are really inconsistent. I also hate his decision making under pressure. Utah game in particular was just brutal to watch. Line did him no favors whatsoever, but his decisions in that game were awful. If we can get him in then 2nd, I’m ok with it, but I’d rather not invest a 1st. Obviously, my opinion only and I’m not an NFL talent evaluator. There have been several guys who have gone 1st round lately that I’m not sold on either, hasn’t stopped teams from taking them.
He has decent footwork and does a good job to get his feet set, which is good, his arm mechanics are a bit elongated but its a repeatable motion, so small tweaks like getting him to hold the ball higher should help tremendously, and his deep deep ball isn’t great but he can throw those 35 yarders on a rope and put it in a great spot. His accuracy on short throws is dramatically improved from past seasons, he does a good job of letting his receivers catch the ball in stride. Alot of the time when he pulls the ball and runs around like a chicken with his head cut off his receivers (seriously for UCLA they have crap receivers) are plastered.
He’s got good speed and will gash you if you leave him unaccounted for, although he certainly doesn’t have great vision. He’s got a good frame.
I was also impressed with his ability to manipulate defenses, he’s got a decent pump fake, and even when he’s got a predetermined route such as a vert against man coverage he does a good job of looking off the safety. I also saw him go through 4 progression on several plays this year.
He gets shell shocked when his line is getting him killed, and I think alot of his bad decisions are more gunslinger overconfidence in his arm than truly bad decisions.
I think he felt alot of pressure to make things work. He was probably the only offensive player who is going to go before late day 3, and the preseason expectations for that team were in hindsight unrealistic.
Due to the demand for QB’s he’s going to go in the first round. He’s the 3rd QB in the class and frankly the last one with franchise QB potential.
He’s experienced with packaged plays and I think he’s got a skill set that lines up with what Kelly likes. He’s going to have some rough patches early but I think you can gameplan around him, with the talent we have on offense you can take some of the pressure off of him the first couple of years. He’s the perfect hedge bet on Foles, and has a ceiling of a top QB. Obviously it would be great to get him later but I just don’t see it happening, and if Foles bombs out this year then we would enter next offseason pretty well screwed.
Wait…are you saying Gordon was not supposed to be drinking any alcohol full stop any more?!
For all he might have done but that’s quite harsh and very tough to accomplish. If it wasn’t for the ‘Dryanuary’ I could be caught by the NFL on any given day, because I love beer too much.
They should have just put him in Alcoholics Anonymous but that’s the Browns we’re talking about here.
Isn’t alcoholics anonymous what they call their Qb meetings?
Johnny Streetball doesn’t do anything anonymous!
Hard to do when you have no QBs
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I highly doubt he’s an alcoholic.
I don’t know how the hell the NFL has the right to tell someone over the age of 21 can’t consume perfectly legal substance that gives you ZERO competitive advantage? I don’t even get why the F would the NFL even care about Gordon drinking as long as he ismt getting arrested or showing up drunk to games…
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These assholes barely cared that Ray Rice knocked a woman out cold, but they care that josh Gordon has a drink at night time? I know he had a DUI, but he paid the price for that DUI…how does a DUI mean you now can’t drink a legal substance on your off time?… This is like if I couldn’t put a book down and was reading it while driving, so I got arrested for reckless driving when I crashed whi,e trying to read the ending of my book, article, notes I was studying for class….so afterwards the NFL says Iwill be suspended for an entire year if I read a book at home?
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Josh is over the age of 21, which means drinking a beer at home. Is the same thing as reading a book: a) perfectly Legal, B) None of the NFLs damn business.
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The NFL is dumber than Josh Gordon. They are pissing away a special ypung talemt for Crap that no one cares abot.. It makes the NFL a look ridiculous that they care so much about this, but gave Ray rice a 2 game suspension???
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I have a problem with how the NFL is a.lowes tp dictate how a grown man lives his life outside of the game, especially when he ismt breaking the Law….. How does the Browns owner stand for this? Should be making so much noise media week how theNFL is screwing this kid, while a week passed and they haven’t even questioned Brdy about cheating yet.l.. This makes me so mad. Alcohol is legal, what employer can tell an employee he can’t have a glass of wine at home on his off time?
You know what, mate, I totally agree with you.
Unless he’s been arrested because of another DUI I find it ridiculous that he’s not allowed to have a beer in his life.
Take his driving licence but not his dignity.
I don’t even understand how they are allowed to do this to him…
Make his punishment a stint in rehab, put him on probation that says if you miss an AA meeting you will get suspended… Try to actually help this young man, instead of just washing their hands of it…
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I find anti marijuana laws absurd, but it’s illegal in most states, so if a company wants to suspend you for smoking pot, they have the right to suspend you for breaking a law,…. But how can your company tell you, that after you work all day you can’t go home amd crack open a beer. Or two. Or three or four or however many you want to drink as long as you aren’t getting arrested oruttong others in danger by driving…. Even if you got a DUI a year ago, how can your boss tell you that you aren’t allowed to have a beer tomorrow night when you get home from work? I don’t understand
It was collectively bargained by the union. The players have no basis to complain.
I get where you and GEAGLE are coming from but I don’t agree. Gordon’s got a DUI as well as multiple drug counts against him. He was placed on probation and alcohol was clearly on the banned list. You’re both right that it’s ridiculous that a legal substance is on the banned list to begin with, but it’s not like Gordon got blindsided on this. It’s all about self-control and clearly Gordon doesn’t have any at all. I feel bad for him, but I also think he’s a waste of talent.
so how long was his probation for not drinking any booze?
I believe he was in Stage 3 which if I’m reading the net correctly, lasts two years. Again, is it fair to make a common legal recreational drug suspension worth? Not really, but it is clearly laid out for him. My criticism comes from his having clearly laid out rules and being totally incapable of making the sacrifices necessary to succeed. The NFL didn’t spring this on him. They didn’t make special rules just for him. He failed to abide and is paying for it. It’s a shame and a waste of talent, but it is all on him.
Agree with the waste of talent and thaf he’s to blame. Don’t agree with the NFL’s politics though.
I just read that Polian is now in the lead for the GM position both on 24/7 and Philly.com. I guess this has wheels. BGN has some comments from Caplan and I think he’s right about Roseman. Basically Roseman firing Gamble couldn’t come at a worse time and now they are down 2 personnel guys.
Because Polian has the most experience, they think that’s why he’s #1 on the job list.
Whether I like him or not is not the story here. I think the story is exactly what Caplan is talking about. You don’t just up and fire a guy because you feel threatened, and Lurie has to have a better handle on what’s happening in his organization. Roseman never should have fired Gamble without talking with Chip, since this is supposed to be his program and you brought Gamble here to lure Chip here.
Bad, bad, bad business with Roseman. Question is, if he really screwed stuff up, why did he get a raise?
Edit: I should add the firing shouldn’t come as you’re prepping for the draft.
It’s never been proven that hiring Gamble was some type of lure to get Kelly. Roseman wanted to hire Gamble the year before. Roseman was Gamble’s boss and didn’t need Kelly’s permission to fire him. This is more about Kelly throwing a hissy fit and being an arrogant jackass that wants to control everything.
I can agree with everything except the last statement. If Roseman goes off the board and struggles when times get tough, then he shouldn’t be in that position in the first place.
I don’t know that Kelly threw a hissy, but he calculated and trusts the process. If Roseman doesn’t and goes off the rails, that’s not a bad thing that Kelly would complain.
The only way I can explain it is in a professional environment, there’s processes in place to handle things when it gets tense (or there should be). If someone decides to flaunt that and do their own thing, it affects everyone else involved. In this case, Roseman not trusting the scouts or the process is an issue.
I strongly disagree. I’m not trying to pretend that Roseman has a perfect track record, but the way things have played out it is Kelly who has shown a distrust of the scouts and the process. Whether Gamble was a Howie hire or a move to entice Kelly to come here or not, if the media reports we’ve seen have any validity Gamble worked outside of the chain of command and became Kelly’s confidant and Kelly ignored Roseman and the rest of the scouting staff. Again going by reports, the draft board would be largely set based on film review by Roseman and the scouts and then once coaches got involved in the process they would alter the draft board significantly. In the chain of command, Gamble was Roseman’s #2 and Kelly and Gamble and Marynowitz(again going off multiple reports) formed their own clique and ignored the input of Roseman and the college scouting staff he had assembled. Roseman deciding to let go an executive under his control that operated outside the chain of command IMO is hardly “going off the rails.”
This is where the conflicting reports come in. Some of the reports had Roseman ignoring the board when one of the 6 targets didn’t drop. If he does that, that’s on him not trusting the scouts or the board.
And even if Marynowitz AND Gamble ignored him, he needs to work that out without firing people. Not a good sign of a leader. But now there’s 2 scouts that don’t trust Roseman and there were reports of others.
This is Chip’s show, and they knew that when they hired him. If he feels threatened or doesn’t like the process, then he needs to work that out with Chip. This is how adults are supposed to handle their problems.
I haven’t seen any reports that he ignored the draft board. What I have heard that he suggested that they were more likely to be able to get one of the WRs in the 2nd round and that the pass rushers would likely go off the board faster. There hasn’t been any reports one way or the other that Matthews or some other player was higher on the board than Smith. The report was that Kelly liked Matthews more, not that he was higher on the board. As far as Gamble goes, when an employee acts in an insubordinate manner it is not a sign of a poor leader to terminate that employee. Do you think that was a one time thing? Gamble had 2 years to get his act in gear. You want to blame Roseman but Kelly is the one to blame for not acting like a professional and respecting the chain of command in the first place. I don’t know what line of work you’re in, but would it be acceptable for an equal of yours in another department to run around you to decide things with your assistant? Chip is the one who didn’t respect the process.
I’ll go back to the original statement. When they hired Kelly, it was going to be his show. If Roseman wasn’t getting on board with Kelly, then Roseman needs to figure out what it is that’s going to make him happy.
I’ll tell you there’s 2 types of work places: good and bad. The bad ones end up like the Eagles, where there’s power plays and people get fired without addressing the problem. Then there’s the good workplaces where these problems are addressed and handled in a professional manner. Chip wasn’t so mad that he was fired, but how he was fired. Was there any warning? Did Roseman address this with Gamble himself? Considering how it went down, I’d wager a guess that he didn’t.
At the end of the day, Roseman didn’t address it early on and when it got out of control he panicked. That’s not how you lead a group or manage subordinates.
I’m not criticizing because I make a lot of assumptions too, but the idea that Roseman didn’t address it before and then panicked has no evidence to back it up. The structure that Lurie described when Kelly was first hired was of two equals in Kelly and Roseman. I think it’s faulty to claim that this was Chip’s show. I’d agree that was an unrealistic arrangement with the personalities involved but I don’t think it’s reasonable to put the majority of the blame on Roseman for a failure to accomodate or “make happy” Kelly. Kelly also has responsibility to assimilate into the organization and treat his coworkers with respect and I don’t think his actions, or at least the reports of his actions, show that he has done so. Now of course, it is Chip’s show. Good. There has to be one overall person in charge. Either the coach with the GM/scouting staff under him or an all-powerful GM with the ability to fire the coach. In a perfect pollyanna world, two equals working side-by-side in harmony and providing checks and balances for each other sounds great. In the real world with egos and agendas involved, it inevitable fails.
The hissy fit was Roseman flipping out that chip called him a cap guy, and Howie got emotional and fired Chips guy, who he valued as the “Football Guy” Howie is obsessed with being recognized as…
Yeah, that’s a problem for him.
You’re assuming that the firing of Gamble was based off of one comment by Kelly and not a two-year track record.
Yup. I’m absolutely assuming that firing gamble had NOTHING to do withthe track record… If track record even was discussed its only for Howie to look for an excuse for firing him instead of admitting that he was being spiteful… Something like crucifying Gamble for Marcus smith not playing as a rookie, as if any other personel guy would get judged for how a rookie played lol…
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I don’t think it was ALL SPITE on Howies behalf, I assume part of it was Gamble always siding with Chip instead of Howie. Which rendered Howie powerless
I don’t really blame Chip for doing what Howie has done for a decade to get to the point where he became Eagles GM… Howie played his hand better than his advisories for years.. As his “enemies” got fired, he kept climbing up the latter…
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Finally, Howie screwed up, played his hand wrong, probably let emotions get the n
Best of him after chip called him a “cap guy”and chip did what Howie had done to get to where he got, he didnt allow his advesary(Howie) off the hook.
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Chip made a move, Howie countered with the wrong move, Chip checkmated Howie and refused to let him off the hook….Howie understands that his actions played a big role in giving chip the leverage to win this power play…. Howie would have done the same thing …Howie had to respond to chips public insult by firing his guy, then he has to live with the consequences of that stupid mistake, and he should be thankful that Lurie values him enough to help Howie save face a little. Howie is lucky he will get his GM job whenever chip leaves….Howie is fortunate Lurie really likes him, because Howie didmt stop and think of the terrible positipn he was putting Lurie in…
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Could you imagine if Lurie had to tell the city of Philadelphia and the rest of the nation that after getting a great coach two years ago, letting him overhaul the entire franchise, we were now losing chip kelly because of Howie Roseman? Half this city never liked Howiie, NO WAY Lurie could tell his fanbase that a year after chip jettisoned Desean, we are losing Chip because we choose Howie Roseman over him? Rosemanput Lurie in a terrible position, he should be thanking God Lurie is being so kind to him….. Howies enemies never got to survive when Howie won his power plays…
again – surprise surprise – I second this. Good summary.
Look on the bright side, Gordon gets banned for a year and then we can pick him up for cheap. He’ll be like 25 which is the amazing thing.
The probowl sucks enough as it is. Now they are starting to make it goofy, and they are making it worse… It should be AFC vs. NFC. And you are turning this into a circus with those ridiculous thin goal posts……I fucking hate this commissioner..the one nerd with the audacity to think he is qualified to chamge this amazing game….
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THE ONLY thing that is saving this circus of a probowl for me is DONTE HITner was pissed off and offended by how late he was picked so you can bet he is going to be Hitting tonightt
It’s incredibly stupid and meaningless and it still gets higher ratings than anything the NBA or MLB does, outside of the NBA Finals and the World Series.
Yup. It also makes more money now that they moved it to the week before the Superbowl. Goodell may be a pain, but the league is making record profits.
yeah very smart businessman. If iwas a kicker at the pro bowl i would just refuse to kick on the skinny goal posts. Going for it on all 4th downs, and only 2pt conversions.
I HATE the Pro Bowl. When I watch it, I’m praying no Eagle gets hurt. No good comes from it.
That’ why no one shows up anymore (that and they moved it from Hawii to Arizona). To me this would be the game that you have in London or something like that — people can see all the stars in one shot.
Tommy, I am patiently awaiting your Day 3 and actually Senior Bowl game reviews!
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