Say What?

Posted: March 10th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 564 Comments »

Sorry for the long wait. Long, crazy day at work.

I’m going to keep this short for now. To those of us on the outside, trading for Sam Bradford makes little sense. But Chip isn’t on the outside.

Either Chip loves Bradford and thinks he can turn him into a great QB…

or this is part of an elaborate climb up the ladder to get Marcus Mariota.

I do not love NFL Sam Bradford so I’m hoping this is part of a move to get Mariota. I still trust Chip, but there is no denying that this was completely unexpected and is highly confusing.

I'm omniscient but even I don't know what the Philadelphia Eagles are doing.
— God (@TheTweetOfGod) March 10, 2015

Lots more to come later.

564 Comments on “Say What?”

1 scratcherk said at 9:25 PM on March 10th, 2015:
we were on our way to 3k
2 scratcherk said at 9:25 PM on March 10th, 2015:
it was our one redemption for this day.
3 Ark87 said at 9:29 PM on March 10th, 2015:
we can still get 2 articles to 2k in 1 day
4 Trevor Turner said at 9:26 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Tommy, we need you in this time of need.
5 George said at 9:26 PM on March 10th, 2015:
That tweet is gold
6 DamonL86 said at 9:26 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Hopefully when i wake up tomorrow this will be nothing but a bad dream.
7 George said at 9:28 PM on March 10th, 2015:
No, but I’ll have forgotten everything that happened tonight
8 NinjaP said at 9:27 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Tommy. At what point do we stop trusting chip?
9 oreofestar said at 9:31 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Today was the day I completely lost faith in this man, he has to earn it back
10 Ark87 said at 9:33 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I think that’s reasonable. I told you the story of the uncle who gutted your favorite car…seriously, fix this or you are dead to me.
11 oreofestar said at 9:36 PM on March 10th, 2015:
He burned the car!!!
12 kimsarah said at 11:11 PM on March 10th, 2015:
What chip owes is an explanation to the fans. We know he has control of the team and getting from point A to B takes time.
At minimum, he should have the courage to explain his rationale.
13 Weapon Y said at 9:45 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I stopped today
14 Stanimal said at 9:28 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I have officially been on this board for five plus hours since the news of the trade broke and read all 2k plus comments in the last post and have decided I can take anymore bad news for the night. I am going to drown my sorrows in scotch and internet porn and hope this was all a dream when I wake up tomorrow.
15 GermanEagle said at 9:29 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Now THIS sounds like a plan!!
16 jaws80 said at 9:34 PM on March 10th, 2015:
But then what is the plan when Chip trades Bradford for a TE with two bad knees and signs Tebow?
17 Stanimal said at 9:35 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Is Cornelius Ingram still available?
18 Wilbert M. said at 9:39 PM on March 10th, 2015:
We just traded a 3rd rounder for Ingram.
19 Jarock said at 9:35 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I’m in the odd position of feeling like that would be an improvement. You’re hired as the Eagles new GM if you can make that happen.
20 GermanEagle said at 9:36 PM on March 10th, 2015:
that doesn’t sound like porn to me.
21 kimsarah said at 11:12 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Don’t tease us.
22 Ark87 said at 9:28 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Thanks for the heads up in the comment section Tommy. Thank you for resisting the temptation to go into full soothe the masses with reason and thoughtfulness-mode, it’s much too soon. I can’t handle that yet
23 Jarock said at 9:28 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I just lost faith in Kelly as a talent evaluator/gm. He’s still a hell of a coach, but this trade would make Matt Millen proud.
24 mtn_green said at 9:29 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Like when DJ was released we kept waiting for the, ‘ah ha chip has out smarted us moment.’ Then realized he was just releasing DJ.
25 jaws80 said at 9:33 PM on March 10th, 2015:
true
26 mtn_green said at 9:30 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Darn blow torch won’t burn this site down fast enough.
27 TXEaglesFan said at 9:30 PM on March 10th, 2015:
this is all so weird…the loons are running the asylum at novacare
28 Iskar36 said at 9:31 PM on March 10th, 2015:
“I still trust Chip”
Ok… babies punched!
29 A_T_G said at 9:46 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I read Tommy’s line and thought, “oh no, think of the children!”
30 Iskar36 said at 9:56 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Not going to lie, I’m obviously joking a bit, but I absolutely hate the “In Chip I Trust” mantra.
31 pjxii said at 9:31 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Bradford + Kendricks + Multiple Picks = Mariotta
32 xeynon said at 9:45 PM on March 10th, 2015:
That wouldn’t make me feel any better. We’d just be overpaying for Mariota in multiple stages rather than one.
33 pjxii said at 9:47 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I agree with you. I just think this is what The Chipper is doing
34 P_P_K said at 9:53 PM on March 10th, 2015:
But wouldn’t Foles work just as well, or better, in that equation?
35 sonofdman said at 10:07 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Depends on whether the team we are trading with likes Foles or Bradford better.
36 P_P_K said at 10:09 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Sure, but it’s hard for me to imagine such a team. I’m not being a smart**, I just don’t know who would want Sam and his huge contract.
37 sonofdman said at 10:10 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I agree with you, but either there is some other team out there that wants Sam much more than Nick or we are that team.
38 Ark87 said at 9:31 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Silver lining: none of you have to fear some idiot back-up making the “Dream Team” comment anymore. Dodged that bullet.
39 oreofestar said at 9:32 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Nightmare team
40 Stanimal said at 9:32 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Well we have become a dream team for the rest of the NFC East…
41 jaws80 said at 9:32 PM on March 10th, 2015:
One way this makes sense is if Chip did not want to lose picks to move up for Mariotta and, that he tried to extend Foles with the extra cap they have. And Foles said no, or Foles in other ways has let the Eagles know that he is not happy in Philly and will leave after next year.
Lots of reasons for Foles not to be happy here – and biggest one might be after a 27-2 season he did not feel appreciated, from coach and fans. He thanked the “fans who supported me” in his farewell tweet instead of just saying “fans” and another family member said the family (and Foles?) are very happy to see him leave Philly.
So, Bradford for a year with full backing of the coach who traded for him is a better option than a Foles who wants to leave.
42 oreofestar said at 9:35 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Bs in that scenario I’d still rather take Hundley at 20 Bradford can’t stay healthy and even if he could he’s mediocre
43 BC1968 said at 9:37 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Foles had 0 leverage. If the Eagles wanted to re-sign him and he said he’s not appreciated they could’ve sat him as the 3rd qb. Then he goes out on the market next year with no one still having a clue about him. No way the Eagles tried to extend him, or were they thinking about it. The only way would’ve been if he didn’t get injured last year and he won a few playoffs games, then yes, he would’ve had leverage.
44 kimsarah said at 11:14 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Any Plan B if he doesn’t get Mariotta?
I forgot, there is Tebow.
45 Alistair Middlemiss said at 9:33 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Chip must be really sure that Bradford is his guy. If these moves this season don’t work out he will be gone regardless of all the good he has done in the first 2 years.
I mean this is serious big balls to walk away from Maclin McCoy and Foles who got you 14-4. At least we have a full draft to think about now…… Just need a starting Safety Corner, RG, WR and RB this draft or scrapheap of FA…
46 A_T_G said at 9:43 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Don’t forget QB.
47 jaws80 said at 9:53 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Chip as GM, you only had two jobs. Keep the offense as it is (sign Maclin). And then add and add to the Defense. Really even if left Maclin go and focused on adding DB free agents he would be doing pretty well right now.
48 kimsarah said at 11:15 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Put chip in charge of the Phillies and see if he can deal Howard.
49 eagleyankfan said at 9:33 PM on March 10th, 2015:
To all you chop haters n doubters… You were right… I’m sorry to have doubted you…
50 Honest_T said at 9:33 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Chip is all in with this move. Bradford is your QB, this was not a flip b/c we paid way above market value and Foles contract and youth are more valuable Ina trade. Yes, Chip is getting fleeced by everyone in this go round because he is using his value of players, not their perceived market value. This is where Howie could really help Chip out.
I’m actually really excited for the season now because Chip has put himself in a position where he has to deliver.
What surprises me is that we let Maclin, McCoy, and Desean walk, but everyone flips out when we move Foles!?!
51 GENETiC-FREAK said at 9:35 PM on March 10th, 2015:
No its not the fact everyone flipped out Foles got traded it coz Eagles got nothing much in return ie swap 1st round picks.. Eagles actually give up more for Bradford
52 Iskar36 said at 9:37 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Let’s face it, the most likely outcome of this trade is Bradford gets injured and we just traded Foles and a second round pick for a third round pick.
53 oreofestar said at 9:47 PM on March 10th, 2015:
That’s still an awful trade
54 Iskar36 said at 9:53 PM on March 10th, 2015:
You mean telling the Rams “Hey, if you take Foles off our hands, we’ll let you move up from the third round to the second round” is not a great trade… SMH. In Chip I DIStrust
55 Jarock said at 9:37 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I would have been perfectly fine with this trade had the Eagles been getting a surfeit of picks. That we gave up assets for Bradford who is every bit as brittle, more expensive, and less proven in the scheme makes me want to shoot someone.
56 Honest_T said at 9:43 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I love what Chip is doing, but his main problem is that he only works from his value of the players. i have no idea who our RB or WRs will be, but I don’t doubt that we will have a top 10’offense once the season starts…and then we’ll get to watch Sanchez throw away another season after Bradford gets injured.
57 dillinja said at 9:42 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Yeah, agreed.
58 xeynon said at 9:48 PM on March 10th, 2015:
This team is a 5-11 train wreck waiting to happen as of right now.
59 kimsarah said at 11:17 PM on March 10th, 2015:
So he’s in a rebuilding mode. It seemed the team needed some re-tooling, not a total rebuild.
60 TXEaglesFan said at 9:33 PM on March 10th, 2015:
“and like a good neighbor, state farm is there…with a sane gm”
61 lewel said at 9:40 PM on March 10th, 2015:
FU, for making me even consider saying that jingle in my head
62 Dominik said at 9:34 PM on March 10th, 2015:
On a sidenote, how great would it have been in hindsight if Pat Shurmur got another HC gig?
63 eagleyankfan said at 9:36 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Can someone please tell Howie Roseman to stop tweeting..”haha haha haha haha haha”
64 Ark87 said at 9:36 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I love that this article was written BEFORE the Sam Bradford trade, oh god this is going to be the worst week.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/chips-shot-two-possible-outcomes-for-the-eagles-bizarre-offseason/
65 GermanEagle said at 9:37 PM on March 10th, 2015:
If Bradford is really our guy I kinda feel sorry for him. And Riley Cooper does as well.
66 DamonL86 said at 9:38 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I feel bad for us if he is.
67 Ricky Carr said at 9:38 PM on March 10th, 2015:
this past week has been horrible. Almost as bad as when Dawkins was let go
68 GermanEagle said at 9:38 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Just almost.
69 Jarock said at 9:43 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Worse. Much worse. Honest fans knew Dawkins was coming to the end. Much love and respect for him as a player, but he couldn’t cover anymore by the end of his tenure. We let him leave without a good backup plan. That sucked and we are still trying to replace him.
Today we traded a young promising QB who we were paying peanuts for an older promising QB who’s being paid like he was Peyton Manning. On top of that, we gave up picks, and oh by the way, he’s only started about 60% of the career games as a pro because he hasn’t been able to stay healthy. So, we not only have an unproven QB in our system, but one who can’t stay healthy that we are paying as if he was a league MVP. Sure, that makes sense.
70 jaws80 said at 9:49 PM on March 10th, 2015:
stop making sense. i am trying hard to see the bright side of Bradford.
71 kimsarah said at 11:19 PM on March 10th, 2015:
chip is a genius. just give it some time.
72 ICDogg said at 9:45 PM on March 10th, 2015:
The worst ever that I remember was when we just let Reggie White walk. I heard the news in a hotel room where I was staying when I got back late at night and probably woke up half the hotel having a shit fit.
73 Jarock said at 9:47 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Difference was I expected it. I was just as upset, but had mentally braced for it. This?? No. Just . . . NO.
74 BC1968 said at 9:39 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Right now the Eagles are tied for first place and control their own destiny, let’s see what happens when Chip’s guys are all in place.
75 ICDogg said at 9:39 PM on March 10th, 2015:
welp, we need some players
76 BC1968 said at 9:40 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Damn, Revis has made a lot of money playing football. 39 million guaran-freaking-teed.
77 oreofestar said at 9:40 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I’ve been defending the Eagles to my friends all week, they are going to destroy me now it’s over FML lol
78 Ricky Carr said at 9:41 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Bradford for foles and we are giving up draft picks that’s crazy. No receivers no running back and a brokenqb
79 Wilbert M. said at 9:42 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Bradford is 1/16 Cherokee. Chip is all about diversity!
80 kevinlied said at 9:56 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Exactly! This move was all about him rebutting the racist critique. Only way it makes sense.
81 sonofdman said at 10:00 PM on March 10th, 2015:
He should be extra motivated when we play Washington twice a year.
82 Nailed it! said at 9:42 PM on March 10th, 2015:
We have entered the Dave Spadaro spin zone!
83 wee2424 said at 9:43 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I’ve said this before, but this franchise is either going to be destroyed or excel after this off season. If it is indeed destroyed Chip will go down as one of the most hated figures ever in Philadelpia. The crazy part is that he would actually deserve it.
84 oreofestar said at 9:45 PM on March 10th, 2015:
He’s gotten rid of so many talented players for nothing, it’s crazy
85 Ark87 said at 9:54 PM on March 10th, 2015:
He pulled off the hat trick this time. We lost:
talent
Cap Space
and draft picks
IN 1 MOVE!
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/34/34bde2c7eac4b12fec8ebfad5b806f0f5c12f2f7493fd40ca2e01f5d6c84901e.jpg
86 xeynon said at 10:02 PM on March 10th, 2015:
It’s like Billy King has taken over as the Eagles’ GM.
87 wee2424 said at 11:18 PM on March 10th, 2015:
It’s actually mind boggling and on the verge of stupidity.
88 Arby1 said at 9:43 PM on March 10th, 2015:
We’ve heard from God, but I think we’d learn more from the Devil.
89 Flyineagle45 said at 9:43 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I live in dc defended chimp all day now I look like a jackass
90 xeynon said at 9:44 PM on March 10th, 2015:
If it turns out there is no master plan to trade up for Mariota, and that Bradford really is the endgame… well, the rage that erupts from the remaining Chip loyalists if it turns out the emperor has no clothes is going to be a sight to behold.
91 Honest_T said at 9:47 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Deal with it, Sam Bradford is your QB. We aren’t getting Mariota.
92 xeynon said at 9:53 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Oh, I was already out on Chip as a personnel evaluator. So this move, as awful as I think it is, doesn’t surprise me all that much.
93 Nailed it! said at 9:44 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I still have faith in Chip Kelly. There I said it!
94 Jarock said at 9:45 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Share whatever drugs you’re taking. Please.
95 oreofestar said at 9:46 PM on March 10th, 2015:
For real
96 Flyineagle45 said at 9:46 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Yea I was gonna smoke my own weed but I want yours
97 Nailed it! said at 9:49 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I believe he has a plan I believe he knows exactly what he wants now that this is his third year in the league. He would not have done this for nothing. I mean he just came form UNH 8 years ago guy needed a few years in the nfl before this to figure it out. I think he saw this year what he needed and is getting his team finally.
Puts Chip Kelly green glasses on! *struts out*
98 oreofestar said at 9:51 PM on March 10th, 2015:
If he thinks Sam is the future then he’s dumb if this is step 1 in some crazy plan well have to wait and see
99 wee2424 said at 9:54 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I think he is over his head and is placing to much confidence in himself and his system. That may be the biggest flaw and the reason for his own downfall. Just too much confidence that will lead to utter failure.
100 wee2424 said at 9:50 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I guess if I say that enough times in my head I might believe it too. How hard was it to brainwash yourself into believing that?
101 kimsarah said at 11:20 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I still have faith in Barack Obama too.
102 Corry said at 9:44 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Suddenly Steven A. Smith calling Chip a racist is not the most ridiculous Eagles related news.
103 Flyineagle45 said at 9:44 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I really think this is Christina luries doing
104 Wilbert M. said at 9:46 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Christina #1 or Christina #2?
105 jaws80 said at 9:46 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Imagine what Foles would have done with the Rams? Maybe it is unfair to compare “Foles in Chip’s offense” to “Bradford in the Ram’s offense.”
Maybe Chip is betting that if his system can make Foles into a 27-2 QB, Bradford can be a 33-3??? that 27-2 year really messes with my head.
106 Ark87 said at 9:51 PM on March 10th, 2015:
The are lots of better candidates to test the Chip Kelly bump on that don’t result in paying an injury prone qb with few physical tools to speak of a boat load of cash in addition up draft picks. No way to spin this as good. Perhaps you can say, this may not ruin the franchise as bad as you think. But it’s just bad decision making no matter how you spin it. I can’t believe how well the the Rams got out of that situation with Bradford, a year after us getting pinned into releasing Jaccpot.
107 jaws80 said at 10:00 PM on March 10th, 2015:
A “Jaccpot” mention, oh, i had put that in my past…. i am pretty sure Eagles would have had the cap space to keep Desean, Maclin and McCoy on offense. And sign Graham and Maxwell on defense. while keeping Foles as well. Hard to argue that just signing our own guys from two seasons ago and last year and adding Maxwell would not make us much better off for next year. And a trio of Desean, Maclin and McCoy all getting very well paid could have been a bit of a pack, keep others in line as long as they are getting paid and tons of respect, even if they were not the best fits… i need to move on, this is not healthy.
108 shah8 said at 10:07 PM on March 10th, 2015:
The Rams of 2012 would probably have ended Foles career before it even started, since there were no targets and very bad line.
109 D3FB said at 9:46 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Really hope Tommy branches off from Lasik and Sunglasses into Lobotomies…
110 Weapon Y said at 9:47 PM on March 10th, 2015:
The Giants, Redskins, and Cowboys are all laughing at us
111 Jarock said at 9:48 PM on March 10th, 2015:
With reason for a change.
112 Wilbert M. said at 9:48 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Not just them…
113 Iskar36 said at 9:48 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Seriously, if Bradford ends up being the actual final target of this move, how short is Chip Kelly’s leash? If this move proves to be as bad as we all think it will be, I honestly don’t know if Chip survives until the end of the season.
114 Weapon Y said at 9:49 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Before the trade, I thought Chip deserved his full contract to prove himself. Now, if things go badly, I’d be willing to fire him at the end of this year.
115 Michael Winter Cho said at 9:51 PM on March 10th, 2015:
He probably needs to win 10 games this year.
116 oreofestar said at 9:53 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I think that’s impossible honestly
117 Weapon Y said at 9:53 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Context matters, but I’d consider it if he fell short of that mark.
118 Wilbert M. said at 9:51 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I don’t think I’d like to explain to my boss why I just traded a $1.5 million QB for a $12 million QB of equal (at best) or less talent.
119 oreofestar said at 9:54 PM on March 10th, 2015:
While giving up picks, like it just doesn’t make sense
120 P_P_K said at 10:07 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Even if Chip really, really wanted Bradford, why in the world did he give up those picks?
121 370HSSV 0773H said at 9:54 PM on March 10th, 2015:
We may get a very hight draft pick next year which would be attractive to help land Kelly’s replacement.
122 Iskar36 said at 10:17 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Careful, don’t give Chip Kelly to many ideas on how to get rid of that as well.
123 xeynon said at 10:05 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I think there’s a good chance he either gets fired or goes back to college just before Lurie fires him after next season.
124 wee2424 said at 9:48 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Can anyone sit here and tell me that our Birds are a better team today, or that maybe we can be a better team at the end of this off season then last year?
125 oreofestar said at 9:50 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I think we should prepare for a top 10 pick, anyone like Hackenburg?
126 wee2424 said at 10:13 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I’m assuming you mean the 2016 draft right?
127 shah8 said at 10:14 PM on March 10th, 2015:
So far, I’d have to consider Hack not particularly good.
128 A_T_G said at 10:18 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Well, I can say with confidence there is a good chance we are a better team now than we will be tomorrow night…
129 Stanimal said at 10:19 PM on March 10th, 2015:
You never fail to amuse me. Even if it is rather morbid humor.
130 JohnDoe610 said at 11:49 PM on March 10th, 2015:
With the draft and the fa period I think we can be better.
131 wee2424 said at 12:17 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Yeah, because I don’t think you can afford to do worse right now.
132 BC1968 said at 9:48 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Chip Kelly is really a DJ like in that commercial. Would you trust me as your general manager? Then he puts on the video that shows him in dreads and dancing like an idiot, wonk wonk!
133 370HSSV 0773H said at 9:48 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I just don’t like this in any way, shape, or form.
134 Stanimal said at 9:51 PM on March 10th, 2015:
“Welcome to the party pal.”
135 Flyineagle45 said at 9:48 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Whos even on our team?
136 scratcherk said at 9:49 PM on March 10th, 2015:
sam bradford unfortumately
137 Stanimal said at 9:51 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I think I have gone mad. I laughed for a good thirty seconds after reading this and I can’t seem to stop. My brain hurts.
138 370HSSV 0773H said at 9:49 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Can we start a petition to put Howie back in charge of trades?
139 Flyineagle45 said at 9:50 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Change.org
140 Flyineagle45 said at 9:51 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Tommy I am going to the gym, hopefully when I get back you have a post that will ease my pain.
141 370HSSV 0773H said at 9:51 PM on March 10th, 2015:
They may need to change the Novacare name to Novacare Medical Center.
142 HawaiianEagle said at 9:51 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Novacaine…
143 ICDogg said at 9:56 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Nevercare
144 George said at 9:51 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I am coach Chip Kelly, and I have DirecTV, and I am GM Chip Kellly, and I have cable…
145 Jarock said at 9:53 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Edit it to coach Chip Kelly and GM Chip Kelly and you have a winner.
146 ICDogg said at 9:55 PM on March 10th, 2015:
…and I am poor decision making Chip Kelly, and I make trades
147 P_P_K said at 9:58 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Good one!
148 Allen3000 said at 9:53 PM on March 10th, 2015:
IF this was the plan all along, then WTF didn’t we just trade Foles last year and draft Teddy Bridgewater? We could have a got a QB with more upside than anyone on our roster and got much better compensation for Foles. That would have been a 1,000 times better than this shit now. I hope I’m wrong.
149 James said at 9:54 PM on March 10th, 2015:
2 acls injuries are better than 0?
150 A_T_G said at 10:15 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Absolutely. How many players can you name who have had 3 ACL tears? How many with 4? None, right? So, worst case scenario, he has one more in front of him. In other words, he is almost gaur entered to stay healthy because he has been hurt so much.
151 Ernie McCracken said at 10:24 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Some might say you’re a cockeyed optimist, who got himself mixed up in a high stakes game of world diplomacy and international intrigue
152 Stanimal said at 10:26 PM on March 10th, 2015:
What about Thomas Davis? Didn’t he tear his ACL three times and then came back and had a productive year for the Panthers?
153 shah8 said at 10:05 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Oh man, imagine trading Foles to the Texans, drafting Bridgewater, and then picking MSIII or Attaochu top of the second, where he belongs?
154 ConcussedFB said at 9:54 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I have to go to work. I’ll go on record as predicting a good start for Bradford as the Eagles QB before the inevitable ACL tear while tripping over his throwing arm,
155 Greg Richards said at 9:54 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Call me crazy or delusionally trying to make myself feel better, but I’m starting to feel better about this trade. What would be the price for moving up for Mariota? Likely 1st and 2nd this year and next plus Foles or some other quality player. If, and I understand some of you disagree with this, you don’t believe that Foles ever has a chance of being an elite QB and think that Bradford does, then is Foles and essentially a next year’s second is arguably a better fit on risk/reward scale than giving up much more to move up for a rookie QB. I understand the injury risk, which they’ve protected themselves against somewhat, but Bradford isn’t as old as I thought. The guy is entering his 7th year. I was thinking he was close to 30. Bradford is 27 years old. He’ll be 28 in November. Born in November of 1987. Foles was born on Jan 20, 1989. 15 months older than Foles despite being drafted 3 years earlier. If you keep Foles, either he’s gone for nothing after the year or you sign him to a market-rate extension and when you obviously aren’t sold on his abilities that’s not something you want to do. The same argument applies somewhat to extending Bradford but at least you(Kelly) believe in him. From their perspective, this might be the sweet spot between keeping Foles and giving up too much future compensation by trying to move high in the draft. One could argue they should have just traded Foles and not acquired Bradford but it’s pretty apparent that his stand-alone trade value wasn’t as high as I or others thought it should be.
156 Nailed it! said at 9:55 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I like this
157 oreofestar said at 9:56 PM on March 10th, 2015:
When a trade happens I’ll promise to shut up but fir now RANT
158 ICDogg said at 9:57 PM on March 10th, 2015:
So the argument is that this trade might have prevented him from making an even stupider trade?
159 Stanimal said at 9:59 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I mean it kinda makes sense logically. We could either cripple our team in the long run on someone who may or may not pan out or we can go into the season knowing we are already screwed but the only place we can go is up with multiple young players who may or may not end up being good.
160 ICDogg said at 10:01 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Well, I can be even more optimistic than that… it is just possible that Bradford stays healthy and plays well for us. I’m not sold that this is what’s going to happen, but it could.
161 xeynon said at 10:00 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Foles has accomplished more in three seasons than Bradford has in five. In addition to being younger, cheaper, and better versed in the offense. That’s a pretty big flaw in your theory, don’t you think?
162 Greg Richards said at 10:04 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I think from their point of view upside is more important than past accomplishments.
163 jaws80 said at 10:08 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I’ve been a big Foles fan, but i can squint my eyes and see a bigger picture where Bradford is at least as good a prospect going forward than Foles. So for me Bradford or Foles, i dont care. Lets see what Bradford can do in Chip’s offense.
If there was no Mariotta this year, so no anticipation for a trade up. Then i would likely think this is a fine trade, if Chip likes Bradford more, great. even with the picks, it basically is a Foles for Bradford trade in the long run.
And just with the picks, it turns out Rams got the better of Chip, or more likely that in the league other GMs value Bradford over Foles, so Chip in terms of value probably did just fine.
But the Marriotta anticipation skews all of this.
164 xeynon said at 10:11 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I don’t see any evidence that Bradford is even as good a prospect as Foles going forward. But grant that he is – how do you justify giving up high picks AND Foles to get him? And paying him franchise QB money when Foles makes peanuts?
There is no way to rationalize this trade. The Eagles lost in literally every way. They gave up better picks, a better cap situation, and quite likely a better player. It was a fleecing through and through.
165 Honest_T said at 10:06 PM on March 10th, 2015:
We all watch Foles miss receivers last year and repeatedly throw off his back foot, which is why no one would commit to him as the starter, and we get all the Mariota talk. I don’t see how swapping out Foles for Bradford turns a 10 win team into a 5 win team.
166 xeynon said at 10:09 PM on March 10th, 2015:
And yet Foles last year put up a higher passer rating than Bradford has for his entire career. To say nothing of his stellar 2013. Hell, in 2012, playing on an absolute dumpster fire of an offense, Foles put up a passer rating comparable to Bradford’s career number. You are not making a strong argument.
167 Honest_T said at 10:12 PM on March 10th, 2015:
And Bradford put up better college numbers. Who cares, it is apples and oranges. Chip’s players have career years, even while leaving tons of points on the field because his system works as long as you don’t turn the ball over. If abrasions can deliver the ball to the receivers, he too will have a career year.
168 xeynon said at 10:24 PM on March 10th, 2015:
If college numbers (vs. actual NFL production) mattered, Timmy Chang, Ty Detmer, and David Klingler would be NFL Hall of Famers. Again, you are not making a good argument.
169 daveH said at 10:18 PM on March 10th, 2015:
who is he throwing to again?
170 Alistair Middlemiss said at 10:20 PM on March 10th, 2015:
And who is his all pro running back? A great draft can save the situation but its not as if this offence will be great this coming year.
171 bluto said at 10:22 PM on March 10th, 2015:
No, the price for Mariota would have been:
two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds and FOles.
172 Jernst said at 10:27 PM on March 10th, 2015:
All this ignored that we’ve all seen Sam Bradford play professional QB and he sucks
173 Jarock said at 9:56 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Let’s make this clear. Sam Bradford could end up leading the Eagles to multiple Superbowls, be league MVP multiple times under Chip and this would STILL BE AN AWFUL TRADE. You do not judge trades based on a the best possible outcome. You judge them on the most likely outcome and on the current history of the players involved. There is no way to spin this as a positive for the Eagles and I tend to be a rose glasses optimist when it comes to offseason moves.
174 kevinlied said at 10:00 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Exactly right. We excuse poor-value trades after the fact when they happen to work out, results-wise. That doesn’t mean they aren’t bad.
175 xeynon said at 10:13 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I believe Howie has talked about making a distinction between bad decisions and bad outcomes, and how critical it is not to mistake one for the other. Chip clearly doesn’t understand the difference between decisions and outcomes.
176 SteveH said at 10:34 PM on March 10th, 2015:
This is a concept many do not understand in all walks of life.
A decision is not good or bad based on the outcome. You can make good decisions and get bad outcomes, and you can make bad decisions and get good outcomes. Both are possible.
You want to maximize your good decisions because over the long run it will maximize your good outcomes, but does not guarantee that every good decision will lead to a good outcome.
177 xeynon said at 10:39 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Indeed. Chip’s decision-making process appears to consist of “Chip see, Chip want, Chip do”. Which is a decidedly less beneficial strategy in the long run.
178 Sean Stott said at 9:57 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Thanks Chip, for decimating our roster with nothing to show for it.
179 P_P_K said at 9:57 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I just got home and skipped the 2000+ comments to come to this post, so I don’t know if anyone raised the question: Is it possible the Eagles f.o. have decided to go Hinkie and trash the team now with some idea of future success?
180 xeynon said at 9:58 PM on March 10th, 2015:
The point has been brought up, but it doesn’t make any sense. The NFL isn’t the NBA. Teams go from mediocre to Super Bowl champs all the time. All it takes is luck and the right draft pick.
181 Greg Richards said at 10:00 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Kidnap Luck from the Colts then.
182 Steve Smegal said at 9:59 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Then you just cut Nick Foles and go with Sanchez. You don’t trade picks, i.e., the future your are building on.
183 BC1968 said at 10:03 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Yeah see ya at the parade in 2030!
184 P_P_K said at 11:28 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Drinks are on me.
185 Dubs said at 9:57 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Only hope I have is that as a firm believer in the the multiverse theory, there has to be one universe in which Sam Bradford leads us to multiple super bowls. Hope it is this one…
186 Greg Richards said at 9:57 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Can you warp me to that universe then?
187 Dubs said at 9:59 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Maybe Chip can…
188 Ark87 said at 10:00 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I will lament living in this cruel universe then.
189 Iskar36 said at 10:01 PM on March 10th, 2015:
You know what the best part about this trade is? Chances are, Chip won’t bother to answer questions about it until the NFL absolutely mandates him to…
190 Corry said at 10:02 PM on March 10th, 2015:
And when he does answer, it’ll be some snarky response like, “Sam Bradford is our starter for the next 1000 years.”
191 xeynon said at 10:22 PM on March 10th, 2015:
If this team loses more than wins next season (and I think that’s what’s going to happen), things are going to get REALLY ugly between Chip and the Philly media.
192 A_T_G said at 10:02 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Story time:
I have what I consider an above average sense of direction. My wife has what I would kindly call below average. Sometimes when we are driving I will realize that we will be taking a somewhat circuitous route. I will turn off the main roads and onto unknown roads. I will use the mountains and sun as reference points and make decisions on which way to turn at each intersection. Usually, my wife is pretty agreeable as we leave painted roads, and paved roads if I am lucky, behind. Occasionally, however, she gets annoyed and frustrated before being awed at where we reemerge into civilization.
Chip has left the paved roads far behind and the road ahead looks like a whole bunch of z’s and w’s all strung out in a line. I won’t call it the Black Bear Road because of the racial implications, but if this doesn’t magically come out near Telluride, I am going to be very disappointed.
193 shah8 said at 10:02 PM on March 10th, 2015:
If it were about the trade up, they would have swapped first rounders.
Sorry, Tommy…
194 iceberg584 said at 10:06 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Unless…and this is a big “if”…that the Eagles have some kind of “trade up contingency” in place with the Jets involving Bradford packaged with picks that will be executed if Mariota falls to #6. And if he doesn’t slide, then we roll with Bradford, whom Chip prefers.
195 Stanimal said at 10:03 PM on March 10th, 2015:
So uh I heard RG3 might be available. He has to be better than Bradford right?
196 Nailed it! said at 10:03 PM on March 10th, 2015:
So who is first in line for a Bradford jersey?
197 Stanimal said at 10:05 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Damn I was hoping that the Eagles shop wouldn’t be selling Bradford jerseys on the slim chance we were going to flip him. But there they are right next to Alonso and Maxwell.
198 scratcherk said at 10:04 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Unfortunately, there is proof from the last draft that Chip has no sense of the value of picks or players. I think we just got bamboozled. We may be assuming the role of the Raiders in the NFL trading world.
199 P_P_K said at 10:06 PM on March 10th, 2015:
That’s the worst case scenario. The best case is, um, well, I can’t really see a best case right now.
200 RC5000 said at 10:04 PM on March 10th, 2015:
http://youtu.be/0EzKcVJk_ns
201 Cafone said at 10:05 PM on March 10th, 2015:
First of all, I told you so.
Because I did.
Secondly, being correct about Kelly destroying the Eagles roster for years to come doesn’t make me feel any better about it.
202 370HSSV 0773H said at 10:05 PM on March 10th, 2015:
If Kelly wants to trade up for Mariota, we would have gotten draft picks for McCoy and Foles. We could have an extra first rounder, but instead, we have less picks.
203 Greg Richards said at 10:05 PM on March 10th, 2015:
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204 Stanimal said at 10:07 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Has it become your life goal to sadden the hearts of all the beloved members of Igglesblitz today? I appreciate the updates but most of them are just plain depressing.
205 Greg Richards said at 10:09 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I’m hoping I can be the one to announce we’re signing Rahim Moore or Marcus Gilchrist.
206 Stanimal said at 10:11 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Sigh I don’t think that is going to happen at this point. But now I am just being negative for the hell of it because there hasn’t been any positive news for Eagles fans since we resigned BG.
207 Spooonius said at 10:06 PM on March 10th, 2015:
It’s hard not to think that this isn’t a sign from the universe that I care too much about football. I’ve been ignoring the signs for a while, but they just keep getting worse and worse. For the sake of all of you that still care, I’m should let go. If I really believed in signs I would be DONE!
208 scratcherk said at 10:06 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Ugh what an anticlimactic day. And to think I was looking forward to today…
209 Nailed it! said at 10:07 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Is Chip Kelly not 20-12 without his ideal roster? Lets let him do his rebuild and see what happens.
210 xeynon said at 10:21 PM on March 10th, 2015:
He’s 20-12 with all the players he just jettisoned and got very little in return for. So far his track record as a GM is abysmal. He gets his chance to coach this season (I’m not calling for him to be fired), but he has no leash left. Nor should he.
211 Insomniac said at 10:28 PM on March 10th, 2015:
20-12 with Andy’s core group of guys. Now it’s his team and his guys. It’s his era now.
212 Flyineagle45 said at 10:08 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I want this fool to explain himself
213 370HSSV 0773H said at 10:08 PM on March 10th, 2015:
This is just the opening act to the main event, which is the draft. I think this draft may make the Marcus Smith II pick look like a stroke of genius.
214 Avery Greene said at 10:08 PM on March 10th, 2015:
At least I was able to make all the stages:
Denial and Isolation – I got home from class, saw the details, and locked myself in the bathroom with my bottle of tequila.
Anger – I yelled at the wall as if it could do something about the trade
Bargaining – I sat on twitter hoping for more news, just begging Schefter or someone to say that there’s a 3rd team.
Depression – I hung my Brian Dawkins jersey back in the closet, and said goodbye to a hopeful era of football.
Acceptance – I’m online and I’m just stunned. I said I was in the backseat of the wagon, but I’m thinking about laying down in the trunk and sucking on my thumb. Someone read me a bedtime story…
215 ICDogg said at 10:10 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I’m stuck on stage 4
216 scratcherk said at 10:12 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I’m in denial theres a stage 2
217 Iskar36 said at 10:12 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I don’t know what you’re talking about. Shefter clearly must have gotten the details wrong. He’ll correct the trade compensation shortly.
218 370HSSV 0773H said at 10:15 PM on March 10th, 2015:
There one more stage: Insanity. That will happen when Chip runs the draft.
219 jshort said at 10:19 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Automatically went to stage 5, stunned and staring at the screen. Did not accept anything yet.
220 GEAGLE said at 10:09 PM on March 10th, 2015:
To be honest, I’m happy to have Bradford! Would have rather have foles, but I’d much rather have Bradford then MM and Hundley…
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This is way better then trading away the draft for over rated college kids. We have a QB our coaches view as an upgrade and we actually have our draft to fix all the offensive holes chip created. I’m way happier with this team today then I was two days ago.
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With that said I don’t like what we paid. Don’t like our GM being treated like an amateur. But not getting draft picks for Foles is a blessing in disguise, we now won’t have the ammunition to trade for MM and still be able to fill holes
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Only think I dong like about Bradford is the injuries, but how can I be too down where chip always brings In injured damaged goods.
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Don’t like our coach being treated like a young Buck during trades or reaching for Ducks 3 rounds earlier then we need to…
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Truth is I’m way happier about our team then I was two days ago. Welcome to the Bradford era, hopefully he is and stays healthy. Rather have a pocket passer like him then Fast running QB like MM or EJ “Manuel” Hundley…
221 Cafone said at 10:11 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Welp, that caps it. GEAGLE, the guy who is always wrong about everything, loudly and usually with profane language, likes the deal.
We’re screwed.
222 FairOaks said at 10:19 PM on March 10th, 2015:
That, or it guarantees we are either drafting Hundley or trading for MM.
223 wee2424 said at 10:46 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Doubt he likes it. He is just saying it out of pride and trying to save face. Almost everything he vehemently wanted and said to the point it was at times inappropriate did not happen or completely failed on him. As a human being There is no way he is happy, and he can deny it all he wants but it is almost a little sad how he is trying to spin it like he is happy.
224 HawaiianEagle said at 10:16 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Concur. Like MM but having all our picks and a QB coach wants ok by me. Lets let Bradford okay a game before we label him bust.
225 wee2424 said at 10:27 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Let’s hope he makes it through TC. That might be too wishful. Let’s hope he makes it through mini camp. Good news is that if he doesn’t Mark freaken Sanchez is running the offense. Who cares who is at QB though because we have a good slot WR and Riley Cooper. I would say we could run the ball with Shady, shoot I forgot. Our aging Oline will be good enough for us to win games though. In all seriousness I was behind the Shady deal. However that means you may need to improve on other areas of offense. Besides the draft and counting on rookies or second year players like Huff our options are dwindling. Go ahead, be optimistic about the defense, but this offense has taken a serious step or two back and the line just got another year closer to collecting SSI. What’s worse is that Chip doesn’t seem to be liked or trusted by offensive FA. You can pull these moves if you are considered a Bill B, and have a Tom Brady. Chip isn’t BB, and Sanchez and Bradford combined isn’t Tom Brady.
226 wee2424 said at 11:12 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Lol this isn’t his rookie year. I wouldn’t call him a complete bust but he isn’t real far off considering he was a #1 overall pick. He will be better then Sanchez if he can ever stay on the field. Chip you better get this Oline right to protect him. He is fragile. QBs don’t normally tear 2 ACLs.
227 wee2424 said at 10:17 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Lol, actually considering his experience at GM he could very well be considered an amateur. There is every right to say that. Cool maybe he is an upgrade if he can actually get on the field!!!! Who do you think he is going to throw to Geagle?
228 Avery Greene said at 10:18 PM on March 10th, 2015:
We got Cooper!
229 D3Center said at 10:20 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Unfortunately its Riley not Amari
230 wee2424 said at 10:40 PM on March 10th, 2015:
There’s the problem. Your plan has serious issues if you have to keep resorting to plan B or worse. Maclin was obviously plan A. Didn’t happen so who knows if it’s plan B or C now. No Gore? Plan B or worse. Didn’t get your top outside priority FA in McCourty. Plan B. The team suffers when you continually have to do that. At that point it’s hard to call your plan a success.
231 xeynon said at 10:18 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I don’t like Bradford’s injuries. I don’t like his 79.3 career passer rating or career 6.3 YPA figure. I don’t like the fact that he’s 18-30 as a starter. I don’t like his $12 million salary. I don’t like the fact that we gave up picks AND a guy who to this point has been a better NFL quarterback for him.
In short, I don’t like anything about this trade. At all.
232 Avery Greene said at 10:19 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Welcome to the club.
233 wee2424 said at 11:04 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Confidence is good. However Kelly’s confidence in his scheme is going to kill this franchise. Other FA have noticed it. A level headed Gore for this reason stayed away. Rams FO and fans probably are cracking up laughing and thinking they got the steal of a lifetime. This is almost pathetic. The worst part is that not only does this hurt the franchise this year. These moves have the ability to cripple this franchise for years. There are some people that think Bradford is better then Foles. Unfortunately the results say otherwise and it’s the results that matter.
234 Red Neck said at 11:07 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Do you think Gore used the Eagles for leverage against the Colts?
235 wee2424 said at 11:17 PM on March 10th, 2015:
No. He was reportedly really torn and was in tears over this.
236 xeynon said at 12:13 AM on March 11th, 2015:
There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance. It appears Chip has completely obliterated it.
237 Ark87 said at 10:10 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Well I’m totally drained, going to fall asleep watching the Snow Bowl and remember the days when Chip Kelly was still my favorite human being and maybe I’ll wake up with an unshakable optimism. Thanks to all my fine fellow commenters for enduring my share of this absurd amount of posts we all generated today. It could have been a much much uglier day without you all and a place like iggleblitz to work it all out.
238 scratcherk said at 10:10 PM on March 10th, 2015:
i really did get a lot of laughs from these posts today..
239 daveH said at 10:12 PM on March 10th, 2015:
seriously! what a day .. must have been a record maybe 5000 comemnts!! we all were losing it
240 sonofdman said at 10:16 PM on March 10th, 2015:
it was actually a lot of fun!
241 370HSSV 0773H said at 10:21 PM on March 10th, 2015:
We may have set a record for amount of posts in a single day.
242 ICDogg said at 10:12 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Eagles selling Bradford jerseys may mean nothing at all. It's just hilarious given the collective outrage over the trade. Total disconnect.— Andrew Kulp (@KulpSays) March 11, 2015
243 scratcherk said at 10:13 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I would love to see their sales data. Can you have negative sales?
244 Stanimal said at 10:14 PM on March 10th, 2015:
well I am pretty sure they have sold at least one jersey. To his mom.
245 A_T_G said at 10:33 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I think Mom is waiting until after the draft.
246 Greg Richards said at 10:14 PM on March 10th, 2015:
When/if Bradford lights it up in the first preseason game, everyone will flock to the store
247 370HSSV 0773H said at 10:19 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Bradford tore his ACL running out of bounds barely touched by the defender. He’s a porcelain doll being held together with scotch tape. He won’t make through training camp.
248 D3FB said at 10:23 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Kind of like 5 did? And then played 5 more years?
249 370HSSV 0773H said at 10:26 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Oh sure! Bradford is exactly like McNabb! Well, I look forward to many championships with Bradford. I can’t believe St Louis gave up on him so soon. We really robbed them!
250 D3FB said at 10:27 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Not at all what I said, but ok.
251 Alistair Middlemiss said at 10:16 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Well while it sucks that we gave up a 2nd in 2016 at least we have not mortgaged the future. If this does not work out well Chip will be gone next offseason, but honestly it will be a very decent situation for someone to come into. Will be a blank slate on offence with a good line and a defence that is young and with only a couple of holes. No character concerns in the dressing room and we wont be in cap hell.
I mean we are 7 players away from having a good roster-
QB
RB
WRx2
RG
Safety
CB
Good draft this year (fill 2-3 of those needs) and we will be in an interesting place in 2016.
252 GEAGLE said at 10:23 PM on March 10th, 2015:
We just traded for our franchise QBS… Assume Dwayne Bowe will be an eagle tomorrow or the day after, unless the go with Demareous Moore or Cecil short..(Mike Wallace if he gets cut). Hoping Nolan Carroll can be our answer at CB…def still need RG, TE, WR, RB, Safety. Interior pass rusher when we lose curry next year. Next year we also have to replace Celek and Mathis unless we cut them now too.
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So exited knowing no silly trade selling our soul for a running qB, thrilled to have our draft picks to fix most of the holes chip created.
If only we can get some good injury luck with Bradford, I’m happy
253 kevinlied said at 10:42 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Wait. We’re getting Bradford AND Dewayne Bowe? I take back everything.
254 GEAGLE said at 10:17 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Love how all the idiots that were bitching at me 3 days ago because I figured out the direction we are headed and everyone defended his year 3 rebuild. Those were the same exact peoe who now want to jump off a bridge today, when I actually feel way better about this team then I did two days ago. No faith in chip as a GM…Bit atleast I got to laugh last
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Hopefully this kid can stay healthy
255 Greg Richards said at 10:18 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Come on man, you were adamant that Foles would be back
256 Jernst said at 10:21 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Right? Every prediction he’s made so far has been wrong and he comes on here bragging
257 GEAGLE said at 10:25 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Convenient amnesia LOL sound like you got a short memory pal. I get it, everyone acting like a bitch with their things in their ass… I ll let yall grieve In piece, while I celebrate this moron fraud GM not trading away our entire draft for a QB.. Sucks I can’t enjoy this draft process like previous years, but with all the players chip got rid of on iffense, not sure how anyone in their right mind can want to trade our ability to build this roster on a college QB…
.. Hate that we lost Nick, love that we aren’t stuck with running QBS, and I’m thrilled we can actually build a team In this draft.
#20) best WR available
2) top Guard available
3) Safety
4) CB
5) RB
6) TE
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Hit on 4 of 6 picks and we could have a much better roster then I anticipated 3 days ago. Thank god for Sanchez of we are going with an injury concern at qb1
258 RobNE said at 11:12 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Memento
259 GEAGLE said at 10:24 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Yup. What’s your fpoint? Who the hell can accurately guess anything this maniac is doing? As if it follows logic lol Foles is my dude, rather have him all day. But I’m thrilled to dodge Marriota and Hundley hullet
260 Greg Richards said at 10:28 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Exactly. We can’t predict. Which is why if you’re going to make predictions maybe you shouldn’t do it in a loudmouth, blowhard fashion. And then when you get it wrong still claim you know more than everyone else.
261 GEAGLE said at 10:36 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Hahahaha hahahaha track record matters pal. I can botch the me the next 5 and still have a pretty high career percentage. Cry me a river build a bridge and get over it. Don’t be a girl, it’s unbecoming. But you wasted enough if my time with inferiority complexes. Enjoy
262 Greg Richards said at 10:41 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Yes, track record matters. Your track record is awful.
263 MCD said at 10:41 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Where can I find this track record you speak of?
264 deshawnbentley said at 10:46 PM on March 10th, 2015:
the issue is you claim to have sources and promote this information as what the Eagles are really going to do. Youve been wrong on ALL accounts and change your tune after you are proven to be wrong. You were adamant Maclin and Foles would remain Eagles and t after the Eagles parted ways with them, you acted like you saw it coming and everyone else were fools. You’re worse than Shah
265 Cafone said at 10:51 PM on March 10th, 2015:
How dare you compare Shah to GEAGLE. Shah has interesting opinions.
266 MCD said at 12:11 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Shah is simply principled as to what he believes makes for a good QB/team. He actually has some logic behind his contrarian thoughts. This is a 1000x better than anything offered by him. It’s like he doesn’t realize I can just check the previous thread to see him directly contradict himself and insult someone else for suggesting what ultimately becomes the actual outcome.
267 RobNE said at 10:20 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Legend in your own mind.
268 NoDecaf said at 10:21 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Thank you for being (at the least) an admitted troll.
269 jesse said at 12:45 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Pretty sure you said Mark it down Maclin would sign on Wednesday and Foles would be our starter. So don’t see how you saw this as the direction we would be taking
270 Corry said at 10:18 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Y’know really we shouldn’t be concerned about Bradford as the starter. He can’t get out of bed without tearing an ACL, so what we should really be talking about is Sanchez and if he can limit his turnovers.
271 Nailed it! said at 10:19 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Sanchez isnt officially resigned so, he may not be the back up
272 ICDogg said at 10:19 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Eagles take on $12M+ with Bradford, still need CB2, S, RB, WR, RG
273 Jernst said at 10:19 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Don’t forget we have no Oline depth
274 ICDogg said at 10:20 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Yeah, those were just the starters
275 xeynon said at 10:29 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Bradford should last until midway through the second game of the season, at least.
276 Greg Richards said at 10:20 PM on March 10th, 2015:
He’ll be extended. I don’t think Bradford is a franchise QB but as an organization and an evaluator you do, then that trumps needs at other positions.
277 B-West said at 10:22 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Hopefully Roseman is in the room for that.
278 xeynon said at 10:30 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Hopefully Roseman goes to Lurie and says “I refuse to carry water for a guy who doesn’t know what he’s doing. Veto Chip’s attempt to sign Sam Bradford to a franchise QB deal, or fire me and hire someone else to execute his idiocy for him.”
279 B-West said at 10:32 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Oh I guarantee he’s bending Lurie’s ear right now. But he’s biding his time for his shot after Chip. I can only imagine he’s happier today, not pissed off.
280 Greg Richards said at 10:33 PM on March 10th, 2015:
$1.7M a year for 6 years. Howie isn’t going to demand to be fired.
281 HawaiianEagle said at 10:19 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Fly EAGLES fly on the road to victory. Come on everyone sing it loudly!! Fight EAGLES fight…I know its late…
282 Michael Winter Cho said at 10:49 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I sang that with Foles once…. once!
283 bluto said at 10:20 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I dunno. I think I totally see what the Eagles are thinking, and think it makes complete sense.
You need a franchise QB to win in the NFL. Shurmur has coached both Bradford and Foles, and Kelly only the latter. They together think that Bradford gives the Eagles the best shot to be their franchise QB.
Obviously, getting Mariota was never going to happen (Schefter himself said it would cost an ungodly amount.) If Bradford doesn’t work out, it’s not a horrible price. If he does, it’s an insignificant cost.
What am I missing here?
284 Steve Smegal said at 10:21 PM on March 10th, 2015:
The combined 10 years of data between Bradford and Foles that suggests they’re wrong?
285 bluto said at 10:23 PM on March 10th, 2015:
@stevesmegal:disqus So. You think data trumps what Shurmur and Kelly think, even if they have the same data?
286 NinjaP said at 10:24 PM on March 10th, 2015:
reality trumps fantasy
287 Stanimal said at 10:25 PM on March 10th, 2015:
WTF? We can tag people in comments? When did that happen? I also didn’t know we could post gifs on disqus. I must have been out of the loop for awhile.
288 Steve Smegal said at 10:25 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Yes. Unless you believe they’re infallable.
289 xeynon said at 10:28 PM on March 10th, 2015:
What have Kelly and Shurmur done to make you have such faith in their ability to evaluate NFL talent?
290 bluto said at 10:29 PM on March 10th, 2015:
@xeynon Careers in professional football?
291 SteveH said at 10:39 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Even people with careers, long storied careers (Matt Millen) does not mean they are any good at running NFL franchises.
292 bluto said at 10:41 PM on March 10th, 2015:
@Fuertisimo:disqus Totally agree, but I’d rather them make decisions than anyone on this board or in my life…
293 bluto said at 10:42 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Not sure who Fuertisimo is, or what they are doing in my post, but….
@Fuertisimo:disqus
294 Cafone said at 10:49 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Kelly knows less about NFL free agency and the draft than an average Eagles fan. He may be able to judge talent, but he has no concept of the relative worth of that talent on the NFL market.
But hey, don’t take my word for it, look at his track record.
295 Greg Richards said at 10:21 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I’ve come around to this line of thinking too. It’s just that most of us don’t think Bradford is a franchise QB. Kelly et al. obviously do.
296 xeynon said at 10:29 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I think we have good reason not to believe that, given that he’s shown no indication in 5 NFL seasons of being one.
297 Nailed it! said at 10:24 PM on March 10th, 2015:
This guy is playing chess on this board.
298 GEAGLE said at 10:27 PM on March 10th, 2015:
We should be happy. How can anyone want mariota when chip gutted so much of the offense? This trade means we actually get to use our picks to trade the team. Rather have Foles l day every day then Bradford, but I’m very happy to be able to spend picks building this team instead of packaging a ton for a QBS that runs fast?
299 bluto said at 10:28 PM on March 10th, 2015:
You seem to have access to better info than most.
What do you hear about Denarius Moore? Seems to fit the size profile, no?
Any buzz on a safety or DB?
300 Steve Smegal said at 10:31 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Oh, now i get it. You’re just another account that Geagle started.
301 bluto said at 10:32 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Not sure the point of that joke, but….
302 A_T_G said at 10:27 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Wow, that…actually…sounds reasonable. It must be time for bed.
303 SteveH said at 10:29 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Nothing. It just comes down to whether you think surrendering draft picks for Bradford actually brings us closer to a SB or not.
304 RC5000 said at 10:39 PM on March 10th, 2015:
complete sense? bradford has a wrecked knee.you’re missing he isn’t a franchise qb he is barely average.. and kelly isn’t a proven judge of nfl talent. if we’re going by shurmur , bradford put up avg numbers.
305 370HSSV 0773H said at 10:27 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I used to say the only thing holding back the Rams was Bradford…and now we have him. Ugh.
306 Mitchell said at 10:28 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Soooooooooo, draft Strong now?
307 NinjaP said at 10:38 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I like Jaelen. Wouldn’t mind that.
308 Mitchell said at 10:38 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Still haven’t told me why don’t like Mauldin.
309 A_T_G said at 11:32 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I hear we are leaning towards Weak, with an eye on Oftinjured.
310 Stanimal said at 10:29 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Do you think McNabb can come back and play QB when Bradford gets hurt?
311 P_P_K said at 11:10 PM on March 10th, 2015:
How about Jeff Garica?
312 Andy Six Score and Four said at 11:12 PM on March 10th, 2015:
No way. I hear our worm population at the Linc has climbed dangerously high. We. Need. McNabb.
313 Avery Greene said at 10:34 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Well guys here’s the best I can look at it.
If CK thinks this is his guy, then go for it. CK doesn’t do things conventionally and really, I’d prefer him to make moves that he thinks will work.
Will they? I don’t know. Do I like Bradford? No. But I’m willing to see how this plays out.
314 xeynon said at 12:22 AM on March 11th, 2015:
I’m willing to see too. I’m not calling for CK to be fired, at least not yet (if the team’s as bad this season as I think it will be it’ll be a different story).
But as Jarock said, even if Kelly likes Bradford, and even if Bradford pans out here, we still got hosed in this deal. Chip apparently has no ability how to properly value NFL talent and that is a disastrous quality for a personnel guy to have.
315 Christopher Miller said at 10:34 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I feel like this move meant he could not get a workable deal for MM. He was not enamored with Foles. He surveyed the options in FA where Sanchez was widely regarded as the best available option (yuck) and what was reasonably available to us in the draft. He felt like this was the best upside, but brought back Sanchez to protect against another injury situation. We in essence gave up a Foles, a 3 this year (2 next year) and moved back from 4th to 5th (maybe equiv of a 6th this year). I agree that the compensation seems tilted in St Louis’ favor, but I am glad we hung onto a 2nd this year with some good options in that 2nd round where we may need someone like Fisher or the best available WR or RB. He got a little added protection in the form of a 3/4 next year if he gets hurt again. I don’t like this trade at all but I don’t think this one move is some kind of scorched earth vendetta carried out by the cunning ex mrs lurie or anything. In my opinion, we misplayed our hand and people saw Chip going to extraordinary lengths to get his man, and the price went skyrocketing. This feels more like plan B and time will tell if Chip is a genius or a lunatic with a gambling problem.
With that said, let’s stop messing around and snag a safety. I will throw up in my mouth a little if we somehow manage to downgrade from Nate Allen.
316 Cafone said at 10:42 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Of course he couldn’t get a workable deal for Mariota. He’s a first time GM with no experience.
You know who could have gotten a deal for Mariota? Howie Roseman.
317 bluto said at 10:44 PM on March 10th, 2015:
BZZZ
False.
The cost for Mariota was a non-starter. According to Schefter, who knows more than you or I or anyone else, it was:
Two 1st rounders
Two 2nd rounders
Two 3rd rounders
PLUS
Foles
318 Christopher Miller said at 10:51 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I do kinda feel like Howie got unfairly screwed over this year. We will live or die by Chip and that was probably the way it had to be for someone like him. I have a bad feeling we will reach for Fisher in the first now that it looks like we will still have it and then watch Strong become the next Larry Fitz or something.
319 Greg Richards said at 10:38 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Why the hell does our local media never report anything? You have other local guys breaking news of team interest/visits and very little from the Philly media. These local outlets need to get rid of all the ugly men and hire some tight piece that all the players and team execs want to talk to.
320 Cafone said at 10:41 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Jeffrey Lurie needs to step in and straighten this shit out. He should demote Kelly immediately and reappoint Howie Roseman before Kelly does any more damage in free agency and blows an entire draft. If Kelly threatens to quit again… seeya later.
I like him as a coach, but he’s a clown as a GM.
321 Mr. Magee said at 10:49 PM on March 10th, 2015:
A little late for that
322 Andy Six Score and Four said at 11:10 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Can we reneg on this trade if we do that? If not, then just let Chip keep doing his thing so we tank and get a better pick this year. Ugh.
323 Dubs said at 10:41 PM on March 10th, 2015:
We signed Kelly as our head coach for this kind of approach. At least we can say Lurie is letting Chip be Chip. It may lead us to the promise land or into the ground, but Eagles fans have suffered long enough without a Championship. We just have to hang on for the ride and hope he knows the the hell he doing.
324 Mr. Magee said at 10:48 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Uh, no we don’t… We don’t have to do anything.
325 Cafone said at 10:58 PM on March 10th, 2015:
No we didn’t. We signed him to coach the team that Howie Roseman was going to build.
But Chip didn’t like Howie hanging around with all his numbers and research and inside information. He didn’t like Howie always telling him why the moves he was about to make were horrible. Howie made him feel stupid.
See, Chip likes to go with his gut. All that moneyball crap is for nerds. Chip is a football guy.
326 peteike said at 11:39 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Probably spot on, only saving grace here is if and when ck fails, he won’t have lost multiple future drafts in the process for mm who could be a bust. Hard to pretend Bradford as even a potential super bowl winner. Get a top D and pray system can produce. That ego part and dumping talent is hard to like as a fan.
327 Flyin said at 10:41 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Foles for Bradford… best trade in my lifetime! So illogical it’s logical.
328 ICDogg said at 10:43 PM on March 10th, 2015:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XC05mFCVaO0/UHU9eLRUqaI/AAAAAAAAAdw/bfo0iCxkfr0/s1600/Simpsons-Angry-Mob.png
329 Flyin said at 10:46 PM on March 10th, 2015:
The guy with the big Bob Marley joint needs a light!
330 Stanimal said at 10:45 PM on March 10th, 2015:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhLDkYravNA
Apparently this is every throw Bradford has made that has traveled over 15 yards through the air.
331 Stanimal said at 10:45 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Quick note it is 30 minutes long and the first minute will make you remember just how bad Nnamdi was.
332 Stanimal said at 10:49 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Also whatever happened to Danario Alexander?
333 Greg Richards said at 10:50 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Tore his knee up one too many times.
334 Stanimal said at 10:50 PM on March 10th, 2015:
He sounds perfect for Chip!
335 Greg Richards said at 10:52 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Only have watched a little bit of it. In game against us, WRs weren’t getting separation but the CBs keeped fouling needlessly. Has a smooth play-action motion. Brandon Gibson was impressive. Rams played a good amount of uptempo.
336 Stanimal said at 10:53 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Skip to 9 minutes in. Crazy throw and catch from Bradford to Gibson.
337 Stanimal said at 10:55 PM on March 10th, 2015:
He also was victimized by a lot of drops in some games.
338 Mitchell said at 10:55 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Alright, I’m going to give this a good watch so I can give a fully informed opinion of this trade instead of knee jerk reactions. Regardless of how this turns out, I’m alittle pissed we lost our second for next year. Maybe Nick wasn’t worth as much as we thought.
339 Christopher Miller said at 10:58 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Loved reliving the giants fake injury moment at the 4 minute mark…rofl.
340 Stanimal said at 11:03 PM on March 10th, 2015:
His arm is definitely stronger than Foles. Threw from his 30 to opp 10 on a rope. It was intercepted by Patrick Peterson but it was definitely an impressive throw. He also seems to have an almost Nick Foles ability to overthrow wide open receivers though.
341 Mr. Magee said at 10:46 PM on March 10th, 2015:
“I still trust Chip…”
Yeah Tommy, you and Jeff Lurie are the only ones left.
342 Iskar36 said at 10:47 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I never thought, “Don’t worry, FA just started” could sound so terrifying.
343 Weapon Y said at 10:47 PM on March 10th, 2015:
As an Eagle fan, I am depressed by this trade. I’ve accepted that Chip is going to fail. He had so much promise, but now there’s no way out. We’re stuck with crappy quarterbacks and no skill players.
344 OregonSucks said at 10:49 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Wonder who the new head coach will be in 2016?
345 Mr. Magee said at 10:52 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Is Chip still the GM? If so, he’s currently at Oregon and is about to tear his ACL.
346 Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran said at 10:51 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Unfortunately, it looks like Chip made this call today.
347 hrtak said at 10:53 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Screw that. Draft MM and sign Tebow… With 3 Heisman QBs here, well be unbeatable :))
348 ICDogg said at 10:57 PM on March 10th, 2015:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_yJlWCWwAAT7vD.jpg
349 Mr. Magee said at 11:18 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Looks like the folks over at the DN haven’t got the memo…
350 Greg Richards said at 10:59 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I know it’s Spadaro and he’s a team mouthpiece but here is his article about Bradford:
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/dave-spadaro/article-1/Why-Eagles-Feel-Great-About-Bradford/f02d6f96-669d-4382-a921-c9dda0f9c95b
He doesn’t scout players so this is coming from Kelly/Marynowitz/et al.
351 Cafone said at 11:04 PM on March 10th, 2015:
“out-of-the-box decision”
Spadaro can’t even get clichés right.
352 ACViking said at 11:31 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Like crackerjack
353 scratcherk said at 11:06 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Ok fine. But still… WHY THE FUCK DID YOU TRADE FOR HIM HOURS BEFORE HE WAS CUT?!??!??!?
354 Greg Richards said at 11:14 PM on March 10th, 2015:
They were never going to cut Bradford. Several other teams were interested in trading for him. The Rams don’t have pressing cap issues.
355 Mr. Magee said at 11:19 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Looks like you’ve been talking to Chip…
356 Greg Richards said at 11:22 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Just stating my opinion supported by facts.
357 Mr. Magee said at 11:25 PM on March 10th, 2015:
All 3 assertions in your post are incorrect. Not gonna argue with you… You can have last word.
358 Greg Richards said at 11:28 PM on March 10th, 2015:
The first was an opinion. The second was reported by multiple reporters. The third – I’m sure they’d like to open up more cap room but they cut Long and Wells. They’re not in a NO type situation.
359 GEAGLE said at 11:53 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Lol
360 RobNE said at 11:20 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Wow do we believe this article? Clearly says eagles are not trading up for Mariota.
361 Mr. Magee said at 11:21 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Sad… Truly sad
362 Cafone said at 11:36 PM on March 10th, 2015:
“He had his troubles in St. Louis throwing to the likes of Brandon Lloyd and Brandon Gibson and Danny Amendola and Austin Pettis and Lance Kendricks and Laurent Robinson and Greg Salas and Jared Cook and Tavon Austin”
Oh well then, he should be just fine now that he has Riley Cooper and Josh Huff.
363 ICDogg said at 10:59 PM on March 10th, 2015:
@Tim_McManus He's competing with a guy who needs a chairlift to climb stairs, tim…— Les Bowen (@LesBowen) March 11, 2015
364 Mr. Magee said at 11:23 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Great response from Les, lol. There will be no competition, of course, but why would Sanchez want to reconsider? There’s not a single other org that would have given him that amount of $.
365 Insomniac said at 10:59 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Well if we are sticking to Bradford, we’re going to get some skill players that are physical and have good YAC skills. I highly doubt that Chip wants Bradford trying to throw bombs like he did with Foles.
366 ICDogg said at 11:01 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Eagles have 23.45M in cap space
367 ICDogg said at 11:03 PM on March 10th, 2015:
check that, I think that doesn’t account for everything
368 Greg Richards said at 11:06 PM on March 10th, 2015:
In addition for not accounting for everything, it might account for Sanchez, which may not be happening
369 jaws80 said at 11:01 PM on March 10th, 2015:
In one press conference, Chip can go from GM heal to GM Godfather (and we have a role to play). He announces a big press conference. ESPN airs it, hoping it is big drama, maybe Cooper will be there. Chip comes out with Bradford and then spends an hour praising Bradford like no other. He subtly compares Bradford to Mariotta by saying he never had a QB with the accuracy of Bradford, or the footwork, pocket presence, or IQ, or strong arm.. He even pulls out the All-22 of Bradford, talking fast, showing his football acumen, and dazzles onlookers with football vocab.
The key is throughout the press conference, Chip states over a dozen times, that Bradford is way more than a system QB.
Bradford then gets the cheesesteak treatment, meets the fans, goes to a sixers game, and fans pretend to love him. We are so over Mariotta is the impression the city gives.
He not only convinces everyone that he loves Bradford now, but leaves a bit of doubt for Tamba Bay and Titans that maybe they should have coveted Bradford more all along. Then Chip waits in his office until draft calmly waiting for the Bucs and Titans to unravel from the pressure of not screwing up a top 2 pick, until they on draft day are fighting each other trying to trade their pick for a comfortable Bradford and a few more picks.
370 Cafone said at 11:01 PM on March 10th, 2015:
http://i.imgur.com/HUwgO9N.jpg
371 Flyin said at 11:09 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I think next year’s stats will have just a touch more meaning in comparing the two.
372 Jarock said at 11:57 PM on March 10th, 2015:
But not when the trade goes down. You can toss in salary’s to that graphic and it makes it that much more sickening. Would you rather have someone who’s performed at a B+ level and makes minimum wage or someone who’s performed at a C+ level and is paid as an executive? I need to call it a night. Too bad I’m stuck at work and can’t get drunk 😛
373 xeynon said at 12:31 AM on March 11th, 2015:
You are presuming completely on faith that Bradford will be better next year than he has to this point in his career. There is no evidence – literally, none – that he is a better NFL quarterback than Nick Foles. All the evidence suggests the opposite, in fact. And he’s older and more expensive than Foles, and we gave up good draft picks in addition to Foles to get him.
This was a horrible trade. There’s no escaping that harsh reality.
374 ICDogg said at 11:07 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I agree with Pete RT @PriscoCBS: I am in the minority again by thinking Bradford is better than Foles.— Chris Wesseling (@ChrisWesseling) March 10, 2015
375 James said at 11:10 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Of Course he is better, thats not the fucking point Pete and Chris, its that he is made out of GLASS and nothing else matters.
376 ICDogg said at 11:09 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Here's the deal with Sam Bradford: potentially a very good player the way Jeff Ruland was potentially a good 76er. Very big "if" involved.— Nick Fierro (@NickFierro) March 11, 2015
377 wee2424 said at 11:16 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Can someone paint a scenario to me in which this helps us get MM. To me it sounds like Chip realized he couldn’t get him, so he found a QB he thought was better then Foles and went after him. The part in which he is better then Foles is extremely debatable and one in which I may side with Foles.
378 Flyin said at 11:17 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I’m not your painter.
379 Jason said at 11:26 PM on March 10th, 2015:
“Chimp” Kelly and this response are two of the funniest back to back posts I have read on Tommy’s blog. At least something good came of today!
380 Flyin said at 11:31 PM on March 10th, 2015:
glad you found humor in that… I’m older now, just try and enjoy what life throws at you.
381 wee2424 said at 12:14 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Lol, I like it.
382 Weapon Y said at 11:18 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I honestly think Bradford is the starter this year, BUT for the sake of my own sanity, I will try:
The Bucs/Titans asked the Rams what their price was for Bradford. They thought it was too much. When the Eagles ask them how much it costs to move up to 1 or 2, the Bucs/Titans tell them they need to get Bradford for them. All the Bucs/Titans lose is the first round pick.
383 Mr. Magee said at 11:25 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Yeah, can’t get there from here
384 GEAGLE said at 11:50 PM on March 10th, 2015:
It doesn’t. It leaves ius with picks to build the team chip took a chainsaw too, instead of having to trade multiple picks on a QB, we have a Qb and now we can use the picks to to re stock the offense
385 Andy Six Score and Four said at 11:52 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Yeah, but we just had a better QB and more picks and more cap space.
386 jaws80 said at 12:08 AM on March 11th, 2015:
not sure about that, Foles of 2013 or 2014? Bradford is more talented in the traditional combine sense of the word, so he has that going for him. Foles 2013 was great. Foles 2014 was on par with Sanchez of 2014 (who also seems according to advanced stats to be on par with Bradford) …. good lord, this is what happens when you dont have one of the top 4-5 QBs… just have to keep reading 2010 draft reports on Bradford to make myself feel better.
387 wee2424 said at 12:16 AM on March 11th, 2015:
I didn’t think it did either. I didn’t want to chase MM. National media is speculating that this has something to do with getting MM. I highly disagree. All’s I can say about the draft is that we better hit in it.
388 Flyineagle45 said at 11:16 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Season over thank you chimp Kelly for getting rid of my favorite players just so you can get fired after this season.
389 Joe Minx said at 11:16 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I’m going to go off into the corner & softly weep hoping OregonDucker comes on later to talk me off the ledge.
390 BlindChow said at 12:01 AM on March 11th, 2015:
lol, remember that time he insisted we were all in for MM and how it was ABSOLUTELY going to happen?
391 scratcherk said at 11:18 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Honestly at this point, I’d rather go into the season with Bradford at QB than give TB or TEN 2-3 years worth of draft picks for Mariota. I can’t take another hosing from another team.
392 Jason said at 11:21 PM on March 10th, 2015:
This on regime’s current thinking:
Mark Saltveit
‏@taoish 18 minutes ago
My guess; Mariota is too expensive at 1 or 2 but if he falls, Bradford is
better trade bait. If not, slight upgrade on Foles. Worth a 2nd rd.
393 scratcherk said at 11:24 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Maybe we can trade him to the Rams to get to #10
394 Jason said at 11:24 PM on March 10th, 2015:
LOL. If we throw in a second rounder.
395 Nick C said at 11:24 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Just a very depressing beginning to the off-season. We go from a potential contender coming from two 10 win seasons in need of a few upgrades, but nonetheless. We now have no skill position players, two high priced mediocre qbs, and still holes along the offensive line and in secondary. Am I being too much of a pessimist or is thus well placed? It’s just very disappointing to be so excited about the off-season, constantly follow all the news and blogs, and chip to turn out to be such a poor GM. WHAT IS GOING ON BETWEEN THIS GUYS EARS?
396 GEAGLE said at 11:44 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Rebuilding goong into a coaches 3rd season is ridiculous. He should have demolished and stripped the roster completely in year one or two, by uear 3 we should be building on top of our new foundation. Do so this in year 3, when that when a coach should start showing results is teriible
397 Jarock said at 11:50 PM on March 10th, 2015:
The idea of bringing a brand new QB in at this point would make more sense if we were in a clear rebuilding mode. Kelly’s coaching got back to back ten win seasons out of a team that had serious problems on defense and a real lack of consistent QB play whether do to incompetence at the position or injury. If he’d have blown the team up day one, I would have been disappointed, but not upset. I can still defend every move he’s made except this last one. Just really, really upset with Kelly the gm at this point.
398 Nick C said at 12:13 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Yup.
399 Larry said at 11:25 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Now we know what Chip’s draft strategy is. Just look for the college players who have had acl surgery. That’s the list of players we’ll be targeting.
400 James said at 11:27 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Nice.
401 P_P_K said at 11:27 PM on March 10th, 2015:
If the Redskins or old Raiders were making these kinds of moves, I’d laugh and think Al Davis and Dan Snyder were acting like fools, as usual. Doesn’t seem so funny when it’s our guy.
On the other hand… Imagine if Chip sees something in Bradford that helps him fulfill that ROY potential, and Maxwell and Kiko help build a powerhouse D. Then some holes are filled by the draft and, oh yea, we land Murray. Hey, a boy can dream.
402 JohnDoe610 said at 11:28 PM on March 10th, 2015:
The difference is if these moves fail we’ll fire Chip back to the NCAA.
403 P_P_K said at 11:29 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I wonder if he’s got that in the back of his mind, “I’ll try my thing in the NFL and if it doesn’t workout, some D1 school will want me as their head coach.”
404 scratcherk said at 11:32 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Keep hearing this but doesn’t seem like Chip’s M.O.
405 P_P_K said at 11:40 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Probably not, I don’t mean to ‘dis his integrity. Still, he’s only human, and he’s got to know if things don’t work in the NFL, he’d be welcomed back to the college game.
406 Jarock said at 11:36 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I’ll just reiterate what I said earlier. Bradford could end up being the messiah and that wouldn’t make this a good trade. Based on current values of both players and what both guys are being paid, there is no way we should have been shipping picks to St. Louis in this trade. Best case scenario that I can imagine was it was a straight up 1 for 1 swap. Then you could just compare results and say ‘ok’. As it is, we lost picks, lost salary cap flexibility and gained a player who has not been all that successful in the NFL and hasn’t shown any ability to stay healthy. I can’t spin that into a positive and I tend to respond positively to every Eagles move.
Chip trades Lesean for Kiko. Positives – we gained salary cap flexibility and while Alonso is coming off an injury, he hasn’t been around long enough to be considered fragile. He also played at a pro-bowl level and Lesean is coming off a down year.
Maclin – Honest attempt appeared to be made to keep him. Salary demands weren’t outrageous but were more than we felt was acceptable. Tough loss, but not a crippling one.
Desean – Me first player who never was going to fit into Kelly’s ideal locker room. Also just came off getting owned by a young above average corner in a playoff game (not an elite corner mind you) and was being paid as an elite player. Not a popular move but one I can understand.
This one is baffling, illogical, and frankly a perfect example of why coaches should not be gms as well.
407 P_P_K said at 11:39 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I agree, we got snookered on the Nick for Sam deal. What I’m trying to say is I sure hope something good comes from all of this or it’s going to be hard to laugh about the other idiots in the League when we’ve got one of our own.
408 JohnDoe610 said at 11:42 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I would prefer to let Maclin go rather than pay him 11 million
409 Andy Six Score and Four said at 11:43 PM on March 10th, 2015:
11 was my cut off. I’d rather pay him the 11.
410 Jarock said at 11:47 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Given what we have left, I’d rather have overpaid him this year. Not our call and as I said, one that can certainly be defended whether we agree or not.
411 Cafone said at 11:52 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I would have agreed a few days ago, but in hindsight I’d rather give Maclin 3 million more than he’s worth than pay 12 million to Sam Bradford.
412 mksp said at 12:06 AM on March 11th, 2015:
“I’ll just reiterate what I said earlier. Bradford could end up being the messiah and that wouldn’t make this a good trade. Based on current values of both players and what both guys are being paid, there is no way we should have been shipping picks to St. Louis in this trade.”
You literally do not have the knowledge required of the marketplace to make this assessment. Sorry.
413 EagleNebula said at 12:02 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Land Melvin Gordon, not Murray.
414 JohnDoe610 said at 11:27 PM on March 10th, 2015:
The only way this trade makes sense is if Chip gives the brace Bruce Wayne wore on his knee in the Dark Knight Rises to Bradford.
415 Flyineagle45 said at 11:29 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Destined for mediocrity
416 JohnDoe610 said at 11:31 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I’m really trying not to get too upset in March. How many years have the skins been the undisputed spring champions?
417 scratcherk said at 11:31 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I forget who said it but what makes most sense to me is that you use Bradford for trade bait if MM falls but if price is too high then you roll into the season with a slight upgrade on Foles.
418 JohnDoe610 said at 11:32 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Who’s the slight upgrade on Foles?
419 scratcherk said at 11:33 PM on March 10th, 2015:
As much as I hate the trade, I do think Bradford (when healthy — i know big stipulation) is better than Foles
420 Iskar36 said at 11:37 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Maybe, but a 2nd round pick better than Foles? What about if you don’t just assume he will stay 100% healthy and add the potential risk of him being reinjured… Awful, awful trade.
421 scratcherk said at 11:38 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Well in that case I think we get a 3rd round pick back from the Rams. Hey, I dont like the trade but trying to rationalize it I guess… And the cap figure is just dumbfounding.
422 JohnDoe610 said at 11:41 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I’m trying not to be a Debbie Downer. I don’t think Foles was the long term answer but that trade made no sense. And health is an issue here. Would I prefer Bradford over Sanchez as a backup for Mariota or Hundley? Yes. But no more than that.
423 Cafone said at 11:38 PM on March 10th, 2015:
The problem with the Bradford as trade bait scenario is who the hell would want Sam Bradford?
424 Andy Six Score and Four said at 11:39 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Sam Bradford’s mom? In a totally non-sexual way. Don’t be gross, Cafone. Geez.
425 EagleNebula said at 11:59 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Reports were the Titans and Bucs liked Bradford more than Winston and Mariota.
426 mksp said at 12:04 AM on March 11th, 2015:
I agree with this.
427 BlindChow said at 12:08 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Well, the Jets still don’t have a QB…
428 JohnDoe610 said at 11:33 PM on March 10th, 2015:
In all the hubbub about Bradford’s play dough knee is that he sucked when he was healthy.
429 Flyin said at 11:34 PM on March 10th, 2015:
you suck
430 GEAGLE said at 11:35 PM on March 10th, 2015:
not sure how to interpret this… The If Indeed this is the QB the Eagles want, why did they try to sign Maclin, Maxwell, Gore, Franklin, McCourty and BG(or Worlids). They were Agessive trying to sign all those expensive players, what would have actually happened if we were able to sign all of them? Bradfords cintract probably wouldn’t have fit under our cap..this trade was dead twice since the combine, so obviously Bradford has been in our head for sometime, yet we were trying to buy so many free agents that we wouldn’t be able to fit Sam under our contract…
…
I guess we would have made more cuts, freeing up more money if we needed it to fit bradfordss salary under our cap. Could have cut Meco and celek(don’t know his contact status) if we needed money
..
I had heard rumors that of we would have cut Meco to free up money if we needed it to pay for a player, I’m sure Celek would also be in play..
..
But if we liked Bradford so much, why risk us signing so many free agents that it would make our ability to fit him under the cap very difficult
431 Greg Richards said at 11:39 PM on March 10th, 2015:
They targeted all those guys but I wouldn’t say that meant they thought they could get them all. If they get a McCourty, maybe they go for a cheaper option at OLB instead of Graham and at other positions.
432 jpate said at 11:47 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Good Point. Seems like there is no real plan and they are just winging it as they swing and miss.
433 mksp said at 12:04 AM on March 11th, 2015:
You “heard” more rumors?
You can’t stop yourself, can you?
434 Jason said at 11:41 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Now the greatest tweet in history. It’s the trade that keeps on giving:
Football Perspective
‏@fbgchase
13m13 minutes ago
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435 Jarock said at 11:44 PM on March 10th, 2015:
If you wanted to go glass half full, you could point out that Bradford’s less turnover prone than the Sanchize.
436 Stanimal said at 11:43 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I actually feel a lot better about this trade now that I have taken the time to actually watch Sam Bradford play and did some research on his injury history. I am still not happy we gave up a second round pick but I really think Sammy B-Rad has the potential to put up good numbers in our offense. Yes Bradford has a well documented injury history but so does Foles. Bradford tore his ACL twice in less than one year and that may have been the result of rushing him back too early. Other than that he had a shoulder injury one year in college but guess what Foles broke his shoulder last year too. Foles has had at least two concussions as well as a broken hand and hasn’t played a full season for us since he was drafted. I loved Foles’ upside but Bradford’s may be higher. He is more functionally mobile and has better pocket presence. Check out some of the throws he makes in the video I posted earlier in this thread, the guy has serious arm talent and definitely has a stronger arm than Foles. B-Rad is still young and has the arm to be a successful QB especially in this system. Plus I have no doubt that we will be able to sign him to a much more team friendly deal that will lower his cap hit this year. It may not be the ideal situation but I no longer feel like the Eagles sky is falling down all around me.
437 SteveH said at 11:47 PM on March 10th, 2015:
uh huh.
438 peteike said at 11:50 PM on March 10th, 2015:
B-Rad just doesn’t have that Super Bowl winner ring to it
439 JohnDoe610 said at 11:47 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I just keep telling mysel “open heart surgery looks like a disaster in the middle, too”. Bart had less faith in Krusty the clown than I did in Chip.
440 peteike said at 11:48 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Man, Demario Murray running ball would make the offense, based on running, tougher to stop. He has defenses gameplaning for him. Of course need a qb to complete those third downs. That’s more than a good arm so on its own it’s hard to like regardless. DM is 27 but runs hard, seems everyone’s so caught up in carries stats, he could have some years left.
441 mtn_green said at 11:51 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Tank- For-Who Campaign in full effect.
Who is the 2016 player eagles are tanking for?
442 Insomniac said at 12:02 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Ezekiel Elliot
443 ICDogg said at 11:52 PM on March 10th, 2015:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_yY9UGWQAAYHqb.jpg
444 JohnDoe610 said at 11:54 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Has Chip explained what he saw in Bradford or what compelled him to make the trade?
there is a way this trade makes sense: you want Bradford to be Mariota or Hundley’s Doug Pedersen instead of Sanchez but don’t trust Sam Bradford’s injury history.
Also, I feel as bad for Sam Bradford as you can feel for a guy making 12 million next year. He’s just getting SAVAGED.
445 SteveH said at 11:55 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Lost in all the hubbub is we have yet to figure out a 2nd corner, a safety upgrade, Grizzle is a lateral move at OLB, and we are significantly worse at both WR1 and RB unless we make some moves, plus we are likely going to be the same or worse at RG.
Unless of course some rooks come in and light it up, but I think the idea with FA is to always go out better than you came in.
Is Bradford a 2nd rounders worth better than Foles at QB? I think he’s probably about equal when healthy, but that’s only projecting into the Chip Kelly system QB bump.
All that aside, what makes no sense to me, is that Chip has basically just gone all in and said “Sam Bradford is the guy who is going to take this team to the promised land”.
I think we all hoped at least a promising rookie would be brought in to challenge or push Foles because we still don’t know if the real Foles was closer to 2013 or closer to 2014, but we went from Foles/rookie competing to be the guy of the future to all in on Bradford with Mark Sanchez backing him up (and staring down the barrel of significant playing time if Bradford can’t stay healthy).
Think about that.
446 P_P_K said at 11:59 PM on March 10th, 2015:
I’m afraid if I think about that my head will explode.
447 Flyin said at 11:59 PM on March 10th, 2015:
Foles won 14 of 18 he started.
448 SteveH said at 12:01 AM on March 11th, 2015:
I was being generous to the emerging “Bradford is actually really good guys!” crowd.
449 Flyin said at 12:01 AM on March 11th, 2015:
To be fair… Nick has his injury worries too.
450 anon said at 12:11 AM on March 11th, 2015:
well we have draft picks now.
451 Cafone said at 12:29 AM on March 11th, 2015:
For Chip Kelly to blow
452 JohnDoe610 said at 11:59 PM on March 10th, 2015:
The Dave Spadaro article on the official site soothed me. I now only dislike this trade. :puts torch and pitchfork away:
453 anon said at 12:11 AM on March 11th, 2015:
we really had no choice
454 RC5000 said at 12:00 AM on March 11th, 2015:
This feels most like we’re getting Alex Smith level Qb at very best.
455 mksp said at 12:02 AM on March 11th, 2015:
WTF did you guys think Nick Foles was worth?
There was clearly a market for Sam Bradford. The guy is still, and will always be, more talented than Nick. Chip paid up to get his guy. Whether to be QB or as part of a trade.
Either way, not a single person commenting on this board can say he got good or bad value, because we don’t know what other teams were offering for Nick (yet).
I understand not being 100% on board with this trade, but as far as I’m concerned the only asset we really lost was a 2016 2nd. Nick for Sam is more or less a wash, with Sam Bradford having way more upside, making the risk worth taking.
If Nick sucks in 2015, as I expect him to, than you lose him for nothing next summer when he goes to take a backup job somewhere.
Sorry, I’m going to side with the coaching staff and FO on this one.
456 Sean Stott said at 12:05 AM on March 11th, 2015:
You’re actually saying that Sam Bradford the QB is better than Nick Foles the QB.
No way.
457 Greg Richards said at 12:06 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Upside, I don’t think there’s any question. Higher ceiling, lower floor because of injury risk.
458 Mitchell said at 12:06 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Bradford literally had nothing around him for his entire playing career with St.Louis. The same cannot be said for Nick.
459 mksp said at 12:09 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Yes, absolutely.
Not only do I believe this to be true, but I REALLY believe that Chip Kelly, who has worked with Nick for two years and studied Sam Bradford extensively (per some article I read), is a better evaluator of this than either of us.
460 xeynon said at 12:41 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Is he better than Les Snead?
He thought Taylor Hart was worthy of a 3rd round pick. He re-signed Riley Cooper and got rid of Jeremy Maclin and DeSean Jackson. I see no evidence that he’s a good judge of NFL talent.
461 Mitchell said at 12:06 AM on March 11th, 2015:
The only thing that really irks me is that second rounder. All things considered I would have like a Foles-Bradford straight up trade. Even giving up a conditional 2nd/3rd would have been better.
462 P_P_K said at 12:07 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Agree.
463 mksp said at 12:10 AM on March 11th, 2015:
It’s “worth” a 2015 3rd…..
If Sam is a franchise QB, then the deal is a homerun.
This trade doesn’t “mortgage” the future in any way.
464 Greg Richards said at 12:12 AM on March 11th, 2015:
I agree. I just doubt Bradford is a franchise QB. But we know Foles isn’t one, so it’s worth the risk.
465 mksp said at 12:12 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Yes. Exactly.
466 Greg Richards said at 12:14 AM on March 11th, 2015:
That said, I still think he’s better than you do. He’s Andy Dalton. Average, solid. He can be part of a success story but not the driving force behind one.
467 mksp said at 12:17 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Nick or Sam?
If Nick, then I’m glad we got *something* for Andy Dalton.
If Sam, I disagree.
468 Greg Richards said at 12:23 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Nick. Sam has more upside. He could also blow out his knee again and have his career be over.
469 mksp said at 12:25 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Its a risk for sure.
But if it works out for the Eagles, its a legendary trade. I suppose it can be either way.
470 xeynon said at 12:43 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Why do you think Bradford has more upside? For the vast majority of his career, he has either been hurt, or ineffective, or both. He turns 28 this year. I think if he were going to emerge as a good NFL quarterback he would’ve done so already.
471 Mitchell said at 12:14 AM on March 11th, 2015:
That’s fine, purely selfish reasons didn’t want to lose that second.
472 Jarock said at 12:09 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Ok, let’s examine that. Talent wise, Sam’s arm is in the same category as Nick’s good but not great. Sam’s a better athlete. Nick’s been more accurate in the pros. Both guys historically are pretty good at avoiding turnovers. Nick’s YPA is much better oh and Nick’s showed in 2013 that he can put up monster numbers in this offense. Both guys are injury prone. Both guys are only signed for one more season. Sam makes 13 million and Nick makes about a million. Based on that who should be worth more??
Let’s further put this in perspective. Most of us who liked the Shady trade pointed out that we got a pro-bowl LB who was making much less money for a pro-bowl RB who may be in decline. Money was a huge factor in that trade. Are we supposed to ignore it in the Foles/Bradford trade??
Side with them. Support them all you want. Please don’t try to make this out that it was a ‘good’ trade. You probably still think we should have gotten picks for Desean. We couldn’t get jack for Desean because of how expensive he was and he was a productive player with no injury history. The Rams fleeced the Eagles and there’s no getting around it.
473 mksp said at 12:11 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Nick got to play QB in an offense that made Mark Sanchez look competent. He got to throw to wide open receivers all across the field, assuming he saw them (which he often didn’t). Nick played in what is widely considered the most QB-friendly offense in the league.
Sam Bradford played under Jeff Fischer and Brian Schottenheimer.
474 Mitchell said at 12:15 AM on March 11th, 2015:
To add to that, I think Bradford’s receivers were top 5 in dropped balls.
475 Jarock said at 12:15 AM on March 11th, 2015:
You’re still assuming Bradford’s competence without actual evidence. It doesn’t match and salary does play into it. The Rams wanted to be rid of Bradford. That shows a lot as well.
476 mksp said at 12:17 AM on March 11th, 2015:
It’s one year of salary at a position teams typically allocate a big number. I think its a minor consideration.
477 Jarock said at 12:19 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Which we are paying in picks for? They should be paying us for the salary dump if nothing else. While it wouldn’t have been certain, there’s a good chance we could have picked up Bradford for less salary and no picks if we’d have just waited. Whether you think Nick was a good QB or not, he produced results in our offense and was making virtually nothing. There was no driving impetus to make this move.
478 mksp said at 12:21 AM on March 11th, 2015:
The driving impetus to make this move was identifying an actual franchise Quarterback.
It wasn’t going to be Nick Foles. We pay the equivalent of a 2015 3rd to see if Sam Bradford is. I’m okay with that.
Or he’s a trade chip. Either way works for me.
479 Jarock said at 12:25 AM on March 11th, 2015:
So your argument is essentially “It wasn’t going to be Foles?” Your bias is showing. We gave up a fourth for a fifth this year and a 2ND ROUNDER next season for a QB who will cost us 13ish million and is every bit as unproven.
480 mksp said at 12:38 AM on March 11th, 2015:
The difference is that one of those guys was given every opportunity to prove he could succeed in this system, and couldn’t.
If Nick performed well in 2014, do you think we’d be having this conversation?
Fact is that Nick was garbage all year. Despite having Shady and Maclin. Yes he had o-line injuries, but Sam Bradford’s never played behind a decent line in his life and was throwing to….I don’t even know who.
481 Jarock said at 12:42 AM on March 11th, 2015:
And his results were worse than Nick’s this year. Biggest knock I have on Nick is unquestionably, he hasn’t been able to stay healthy. That’s a big knock but the same applies to Bradford. Fact remains, St. Louis should have been paying us for the salary dump regardless.
482 Mr. Magee said at 12:35 AM on March 11th, 2015:
He’s not a trade chip! No better than Foles in that respect. And he’s not a franchise QB either, for crying out loud… You make it sound like he’s a clean slate that everyone needs to examine under the light of actual competition.
Is he supposed to come out and show us all how to properly run the read option?
483 RC5000 said at 12:17 AM on March 11th, 2015:
bradford isn’t talented, he’s nowhere close to being a top qb and he has a bad knee and been injured many times.
484 Mr. Magee said at 12:23 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Ok, well good luck with that. Jeff Lurie hopes you buy LOTS of season tix, and some Sam Bradford jerseys, too. And don’t forget your travel plans to the super bowl… I’m thinking Feb 2017.
485 xeynon said at 12:40 AM on March 11th, 2015:
It would be nice if there was any evidence in their historical performances to support your contention that Sam Bradford is better than Nick Foles. Unfortunately, there isn’t. The evidence suggests precisely the opposite, actually.
486 mksp said at 12:40 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Sure, if you disregard context and evaluate entirely based on statistics.
487 teltschikfakeout88 said at 12:04 AM on March 11th, 2015:
This is all being done to get Jonny manziel…..
488 Iskar36 said at 12:05 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Instead of looking at this trade in a vacuum, can anyone rationalize this trade in the context of the offseason plan? Let’s assume Chip does in fact believe in Sam Bradford. Let’s assume CK thinks Bradford should be fully healthy and can be a franchise QB. Surely, CK is (hopefully) smart enough to know a move like this, taking on such a high risk move, absolutely destroys any leash he might have, and that if the team struggles, Chips job will be on the line. With that in mind, how do you justify this trade AFTER you know that Maclin has walked, you traded away your starting RB and your first choice of replacement said “no thanks, and you released your starting RG (who in addition to starting, played an enormous role in being versatile, allowing us to fit in backup linemen at positions they were most comfortable with). Basically we make a high risk move but don’t bother bringing in/keeping the added support needed to help this move to be successful. I just don’t see how this fits a logical plan for the offseason.
489 ICDogg said at 12:07 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Yes, and the move eats up a lot of cap space that could help make some of these moves possible.
490 Greg Richards said at 12:08 AM on March 11th, 2015:
I think Chip thinks he can sign another WR and RB and his offense will hum right along. Guy has an ego. Doesn’t mean he’s wrong.
491 RC5000 said at 12:13 AM on March 11th, 2015:
it’s a high risk move and the ceiling’s pretty low.
492 Mr. Magee said at 12:25 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Yup. Apparently there was no plan. The Rams fleeced the Eagles, and Chip Kelky fleeced Jeff Lurie.
493 Stanimal said at 12:07 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Hey everyone just so you know Game Rewind from NFL.com has a free 7 day trial. I say we actually watch Sam Bradford’s games before we start saying he is the worst QB ever.
494 HawaiianEagle said at 12:07 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Thank you.
495 HawaiianEagle said at 12:09 AM on March 11th, 2015:
There MUST be a reason or 2 he was nr 1 pick in 2010. Chip should get his best.
496 P_P_K said at 12:12 AM on March 11th, 2015:
There was a reason. Questions now are: Can his knees handle playing football? Has he developed as a young qb enough to lead a team into contention?
497 Mitchell said at 12:17 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Does he have too? All he has to do is learn the system and Chip’s offense will do it for him. I think it’s understood that it’s not hard to play qb for the Eagles, all you have to do is hit open recievers and not turn the ball over!
498 Mitchell said at 12:09 AM on March 11th, 2015:
I watched your video below and came away with some conclusions. 1Bradford faced A TON of pressure and was on the ground very often. 2 His receivers had an epidemic of the droppsies. 3 Bradford could put some mustard on the ball and can make all the throws, which is probably why he was the 1st selection.
499 Stanimal said at 12:11 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Exactly my point he may not actually be a bad QB but just played for a bad team that gave him no help.
500 HawaiianEagle said at 12:14 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Dont make sense. Nothing else has so far today…
501 Joe Minx said at 12:10 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Really a moot point because the dude will never see the freakin field.
502 Stanimal said at 12:11 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Bradford has some injury issues but so did Foles. Bradford has actually played two full seasons without injury which is something that can’t be sad about Foles yet.
503 Mitchell said at 12:08 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Since we lost several players this off season, do you fellas think we will be getting comp picks next year?
504 Greg Richards said at 12:08 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Depends on how many UFA we sign and we lose. Trades don’t count.
505 Mitchell said at 12:11 AM on March 11th, 2015:
So just Maclin then. *sigh*
506 Stanimal said at 12:12 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Maybe somebody will sign Nate Allen…
507 Mitchell said at 12:15 AM on March 11th, 2015:
LOL, somehow I doubt he even counts!
508 Stanimal said at 12:08 AM on March 11th, 2015:
I don’t think you get picks if you cut the player, only if they don’t resign with you.
509 mksp said at 12:13 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Should get one for Maclin.
510 Greg Richards said at 12:15 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Right now his and Maxwell’s contracts would cancel each other out.
511 mksp said at 12:20 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Ah. Good point.
512 anon said at 12:12 AM on March 11th, 2015:
So basically i hope we’re ok with MArk Sanchez starting next season…
513 Greg Richards said at 12:16 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Woah, Jason Worilds is retiring.
514 Greg Richards said at 12:16 AM on March 11th, 2015:
That’s two relatively young guys stepping away. Locker retired too.
515 anon said at 12:17 AM on March 11th, 2015:
source?
516 Greg Richards said at 12:18 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Statement from his agents
517 anon said at 12:18 AM on March 11th, 2015:
i guess that’s why we have BG
518 ICDogg said at 12:19 AM on March 11th, 2015:
yep…
519 Greg Richards said at 12:21 AM on March 11th, 2015:
With our luck this offseason, surprised he didn’t sign to big money deal, all the other pass-rushers sign elsewhere and then Worilds retires
520 ICDogg said at 12:16 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Even if Bradford is a franchise QB, a big if, who does he have to hand off to and to throw to, and who is going to be the starting RG? There’s only so much you can do with this.
521 EagleNebula said at 12:17 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Hand off to Melvin Gordon or Gurley! I want to see if JMatt and Huff will take that second year leap before freaking out over WR.
522 HawaiianEagle said at 12:18 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Huff can play RB.
523 Avery Greene said at 12:17 AM on March 11th, 2015:
So what does D3FB think about this trade? Have we heard from OD?
524 Stanimal said at 12:18 AM on March 11th, 2015:
OD still thinks we are going to use him to get Mariota. D3FB has mostly been crying from the posts i have seen from him.
525 teltschikfakeout88 said at 12:20 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Going to bed….parting thought…Jim plunkett was an often injured QB who was a high draft pick….he revitalized his careers with the raiders and beat us in the SB…maybe Bradford can be that guy for us…what the fuck am I saying the end is here…we will be lucky to go 8-8 this year and maybe it is now our turn to slip into bro g a bad franchise for the next couple of decades
526 RC5000 said at 12:26 AM on March 11th, 2015:
such a stretch lol.
527 Sean Stott said at 12:23 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Lost in all of this is the fact that Bradford is a 1-year rental.
1-year rental.
528 EagleNebula said at 12:24 AM on March 11th, 2015:
That is part of the proof the conspiracy theorists are using to prove he is about to be traded to move up in the draft.
Edit: I should disclose that I want to believe…
529 Sean Stott said at 12:26 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Honestly at this point I’ve read the Spadaro post, and it seems as though they really do want him. Maybe they simply wait and see if Mariota slides, and have deals in place, with the knowledge that you already have a QB in place who could run your offense.
530 EagleNebula said at 12:31 AM on March 11th, 2015:
I have given up speculating. Case in point: spuds has to defend the move, he has to project the teams talking points. To do otherwise not only hurts the team from a PR standpoint, but from a negotiating standpoint as well. So, quite frankly, I would expect the same article regardless of long term plans.
531 Sean Stott said at 12:31 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Either way, we’ll definitely find out on draft day.
532 mksp said at 12:25 AM on March 11th, 2015:
So is Nick.
533 Nick C said at 12:26 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Least nick is cheap…
534 Greg Richards said at 12:26 AM on March 11th, 2015:
If you think a player can be a franchise QB, then salary, needs at other positions all take a backseat.
535 Jarock said at 12:28 AM on March 11th, 2015:
So, evidence means nothing? We have posters who believe Brandon Bridge and Joe Webb are franchise QBs. A few even argue GJ Kinne. Would you support them?
536 Mitchell said at 12:29 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Have you watched Bradford play?
537 Sean Stott said at 12:30 AM on March 11th, 2015:
He plays very similar to Sanchez.
We don’t need 2 of them.
538 Mitchell said at 12:30 AM on March 11th, 2015:
If you say that, then you obviously haven’t seen him play.
539 Jarock said at 12:30 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Yes. Doesn’t outweigh his statistics, injury history, or salary. Ask the Rams.
540 Mitchell said at 12:32 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Meh, I guess it depends on who you ask, apparently Kelley thinks so but I can see your argument. I agree with the injuries but some of his statistics have to do with where he was and who he had around him, similar to Nick in 2013. I’m not taking anything away from Nick but I think it is a bit ignorant to place all of his success on him alone.
541 Jarock said at 12:37 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Undeniably true. I’m not trying to say that Nick is demonstrably better than Bradford. I’m merely pointing out that there is no evidence indicating he is worse and plenty indicating he is better. Environment may be the biggest factor there and honestly I think they are relatively comparable talents. Even if you believe Nick is less talented salary comes into it and weighs heavily in Nick’s favor. I would have cheered if the Rams were sending us picks. I’d be miffed if it was one for one, but not too upset. Us giving away assets in addition is ridiculous. There’s been rampant speculation that Bradford was on his way out the door with St. Louis regardless. Wait and pick him up on the cheap. Relying on someone with this bad an injury history is foolish.
542 Mitchell said at 12:41 AM on March 11th, 2015:
I totally agree with the picks and that is my biggest gripe. I will say there is a reasons Bradford was #1 and Foles was taken in the 3rd. As far as cap goes: It’s probably worth the risk and they both only have 1 year left on contracts and we have plenty of space. I think if we didn’t trade for Bradford, another team would, at least that is what was being tweeted. So I don’t think Bradford would have made it to being cut. In summation, I don’t condone of condemn this trade. I am disappointed in the 2nd we gave up but we can get a pick back correct? I personally think Bradford has a higher ceiling than Foles but, hey we’ll see!
543 peteike said at 1:19 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Great rational talk here, my thinking also. Hate the trade but don’t see much difference in Foles starting with a rookie learning vs Bradford. I don’t care at all about the money except being cheap losing guys and dismissing talent. Maclin was not on Eagles, or was it for not overpaying a bit? Seems like they tried, same with mccourty. I get shady trade. Still many decisions like gore I hate, but this deal on its own I’m trying really hard to be okay with. I think worst part is ck willing to gamble on him, hope he still spreads out odds and drafts a qb. Didn’t ever think mm was possible, still don’t
544 Mitchell said at 1:45 AM on March 11th, 2015:
I’m personally interested in Garrett Grayson.
545 EagleNebula said at 12:40 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Considering each play in football are dependent on the group and not the individual, I always wonder how accurately the individual statistics really capture the quality of a player. For instance- yards per attempt is heavily effected by completion percentage (each incompletion is 0 yard attempt), and drops/throw aways severely Impact completion percentage. That means if a receiver drops a pass or a QB throws a pass away when under pressure and no receivers are open, the QB rating, completion percentage and ypa all go down even though the QB may not be at fault…
546 Jarock said at 12:47 AM on March 11th, 2015:
This is kind of the Archie Manning argument. Would you rather have had Archie or Peyton? Talent wise, there’s probably not a ton separating the two but the results have been drastically different. Talent wise, Bradford’s probably more talented, but it’s not a huge gap. Both have injury histories. My irritation comes down to salary. It’s extremely poor business practice to pay more money for someone who hasn’t proven they can produce more. There’s a reason the Ram’s were willing to trade him to begin with and it’s not only the injuries. If they believed he was Peyton Manning but couldn’t stay healthy, they’d have kept him and prayed he actually stayed healthy. The Eagles overpaid.
547 EagleNebula said at 12:54 AM on March 11th, 2015:
I am not justifying the trade. I am just questioning the poor use of statistics in football in general. I am undecided on the trade because I don’t trust Foles but I am doubtful of Bradford. I have to see Bradford in this offense before I claim to have any idea how he will do.
548 Greg Richards said at 12:30 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Bridge and Webb, no. How can you doubt Kinne? As far as “evidence” goes statistical results don’t always tell the full story. Unless you are breaking down all his film like I’m sure the Eagles do and know how he fits into your system, you’re not in a position to judge.
549 Sean Stott said at 12:28 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Locking up a long term deal with Sam-2-ACL-tears-2-shoulder-surgeries-Bradford sounds like a great plan.
550 Nick C said at 12:36 AM on March 11th, 2015:
I’m sorry I know the shock is over for some of us, but I still can’t defend this trade. We traded an accomplished, but also prone QB, for someone with less of a pedigree in twice the time. Also he is paid 12x as much. In a salary cap league, where you can’t even get anything for desean Jackson or receive an ILB In return for a 26 year old all pro RB, clearly trades are about value according to salary. And they should have been paying us to bail them out of his contract. Instead we paid them. Horrible move whichever way you look at it.
551 mksp said at 12:40 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Sam Bradford has 10x the “pedigree” of Nick. Not saying it means anything.
Also want to dispute the fact that Nick is “accomplished.” He had one good, very lucky, year when Chip’s offense surprised the entire league.
552 Nick C said at 12:44 AM on March 11th, 2015:
What pedigree in the NFL are you talking about…??? And injury pedigree doesn’t count
553 Mr. Magee said at 12:47 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Then why say it? Who cares about pedigree.
This whole discussion about Foles vs Bradford is a complete waste of time… They are more similar than dissimilar. Bottom line is that neither is going to take you to the super bowl. And if anything, this offseason has taken us further from that target.
554 Nick C said at 12:41 AM on March 11th, 2015:
What is even more laughable Is that kelly has the nerve to scoff at other talent evaluators. I was on the kelly train, and still think he is a decent coach; however his arrogance to need control when he is such a poor talent evaluator is detrimental to our team.
555 mksp said at 12:34 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Its not our money.
And we have plenty of cap space. With frankly not a great FA class to spend it on.
556 Greg Richards said at 12:26 AM on March 11th, 2015:
They need to start actual FA on a Friday.
557 Cafone said at 12:32 AM on March 11th, 2015:
If you think people are disillusioned with this trade now, wait until Sanchez beats him out for the starting job in training camp.
558 Mitchell said at 12:33 AM on March 11th, 2015:
That would be rough, haha.
559 Alistair Middlemiss said at 12:35 AM on March 11th, 2015:
I tried to go to sleep but could not. So I decided to try and persuade myself that Bradford was a decent pick up. So first stop was to watch a Rams game, because they were so irrelevant and poor to watch I have largely ignored them for the last 5 years.
So picked the best game I could find in his 2013 season..
ARI 09/08/2013 27/38 passing (71%) 299 yard 2 TDs 1Int.
Now this shows a problem that is one of his ‘best’ games,but w/e lets roll.
Pros from the game:
Throws a pretty ball, tight spiral, quick release with decent zip. Can throw back shoulder pass’s. Better mobility than I expected. Ran play action passes well and was effective. Got the ball out quickly. Threw the deep ball well.
Con’s from the game:
Consistently checked down on 3rd down, the rams going 4-11 for 3rd down was mainly due to this. Struggled to see when receivers would come open. Offence seemed designed to get 1 player open on each play – did not seem to go through progression well. On occasion would throw into triple coverage, had a couple of very pickible passes as well as his INT.
Conclusions:
So what were my takeaway’s from the game? Meh, the offence was pretty dull, and they moved the ball well on 1st and 2nd down but really struggled to sustain drives. I felt he played with training wheels on, playing safety first. Did not seem to read the game very well and decision making was average. Yes the Rams offence is limited, players and coach’s came into it, but Sam was not special at all, never felt he was taking over the game and he cost the team with his conservatism.
560 peteike said at 12:40 AM on March 11th, 2015:
How I Always felt about the guy, not a gamer. Thought nick at least had a bit of that. Nothing worse than safe throws on 3rd downs
561 BlindChow said at 12:43 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Woot, Tommy can’t sleep, either!
http://igglesblitz.com/2015/03/learned-worrying-bradford/
562 Insomniac said at 12:44 AM on March 11th, 2015:
Bradford isn’t the Qb we need but the QB that we deserve..should have traded Foles lastyear
563 Flyineagle45 said at 1:20 AM on March 11th, 2015:
The only thing chip can do to ease my pain is get AP
564 A Roy said at 2:27 AM on March 11th, 2015:
At this point, it’s obvious that Kelly is looking to move up and draft in the first position. Unfortunately, that’s gonna happen in 2016.