Howie Speaks

Posted: March 21st, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 123 Comments »

The NFL owners meetings are taking place down in Florida. Howie Roseman spoke with reporters today. Jeff Lurie and Doug Pederson will talk to the media in coming days.

Roseman said a few interesting things. The headline grabber was his thoughts on the RB position. Roseman said there is a misconception that RBs can be found anywhere. He said “they” had done a study and found out that most of the Top 10 rushers in the league over the last decade had been picked in rounds 1-3.

Jimmy Bama checked on his own.

It sure feels like Roseman is selling the idea of taking a RB early, possibly at #8. There are a couple of different possibilities here. First, he’s saying this to lay the groundwork with Eagles fans and the media so that if the team does take Ezekiel Elliott 8th overall there won’t be a huge backlash about how RBs are easy to find and that’s a huge reach.

Or maybe Roseman is sending a message to the teams who draft after the Eagles that Elliott is a legit target. Why? If any of them covet the star RB, maybe they’ll be willing to move up. There is a lot of logic to the Eagles moving back a few spots and adding a 2nd round pick.

Either way, this was a smart move on Roseman’s part. Start talking about Elliott now. It confuses the other teams as to what the Eagles plans are. It also sends a message to fans and the media that the old rules of the Andy Reid era might not apply anymore. Andy Reid would sooner give up cheeseburgers than draft a RB in the 1st round. Maybe…just maybe…things are going to be different under Roseman and Pederson. We’ll see.

Roseman talked about how free agency is dying down and the focus is now mostly on the draft. That’s pretty obvious, but I found it interesting that he said teams now are almost recruiting free agents based on opportunity over money. The guys available now aren’t going to get big bucks. You need to sell them on why they should sign with your team for an amount less than they expected.

Just look at Nick Fairley. He’s talked to STL, PHI, NO and is now headed to NE. No one is offering the money he wants. Fairley is now getting recruited by different teams to come play cheap for them. We’ll see how that goes.

Roseman wouldn’t call Nolan Carroll a starter, but rather talked about how there will be competition at CB. He also said the team could still add help at CB or WR (probably the draft).

When asked what the deepest position was in the draft, Roseman said defensive linemen, especially on the interior. He also said the Eagles have more O-linemen on their draft board than in recent years.


Jimmy Bama wrote a good piece on how the Eagles aren’t likely to take an OL at pick 8.

I agree. Tunsil is the only special OL in this draft class. He’ll be long gone by pick 8. I know many people think Ronnie Stanley makes a ton of sense, but is he worth pick 8?

I liked Tyron Smith more and he went 9th overall. I liked Tra Thomas more and he went 11th.

Stanley is a very good prospect and can be a good NFL player, but you want to be careful about passing on a better player just because Stanley is a LT.


One bit of free agency “news”.

This could be real or this could be a agent trying to create a market for his player. Morris is a good RB and would make some sense at the right price, but he really thrived in the Skins one-cut run scheme. When Jay Gruden took over and put in the WCO, Morris was less effective. From that standpoint, he wouldn’t make sense.

As a situational runner for the right price, Morris could be a good fit.

I’m leaning toward this being an agent using Schefter, but we’ll see.


123 Comments on “Howie Speaks”

  1. 1 BobSmith77 said at 10:53 PM on March 21st, 2016:

    Roseman’s comments today and his earlier comments about ‘liking 10 players’ in the draft strike me as classic disinformation as the Eagles attempt to generate some leverage for a possible trade.

    Roseman istrying to create the appearance that the Eagles purposely moved up to 8(from 13) and that they are going to take someone there whether it is
    Zeke, an OL, or a CB

    More and more, I see Roseman trying to bait a team to trade up to take the #8 pick for a #2 pick this year or a high pick next year. I could especially see that being for a DL the Eagles like in a deeper draft at that position early-mid 2nd round.

    It fills a need, gives them a bit mover leverage in case Cox doesn’t agree to an extension this offseason and they trade him, etc.

  2. 2 daveH said at 11:01 PM on March 21st, 2016:

    Double Rrverse Secret psychology.. agree he is outgoxing everyone but us .. we gotta help keep ThisisHowieDoit though .. ssssssssh

  3. 3 Cafone said at 11:37 PM on March 21st, 2016:

    Howie’s down there in Boca Raton hanging out and drinking with reps from every other team. It’s almost hard to imagine a scenario where he doesn’t come away with multiple potential multi-pick trades.

  4. 4 Cafone said at 11:41 PM on March 21st, 2016:

    If Howie doesn’t really have 10 players he sees as potential all-pros, then that kind of tilts the trade back towards Miami. Maybe Miami didn’t see much of a difference between the players that will be available between 8 and 13.

  5. 5 fedefox8 said at 9:10 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Joke is on them, then, they could’ve traded that #8 pick on draft day for a 2nd rounder instead of an overpaid CB and an injury prone LB on the last year of his deal.

  6. 6 BobSmith77 said at 2:34 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Not necessarily. Given all of the negative press that came out about Maxwell after the trade, it strikes me the Eagles were highly motivated to move him this offseason even if they didn’t quite get what they wanted for him. Same with Murray.

    Usually I don’t put much that much stock in culture triumphing talent in professional sports but Maxwell/Murray had question marks in regards to both areas. Eagles moves to get rid of both of them struck me as a move to clear out dead wood before Pederson’s first season.

    Alonso struck me more of a guy that Schwartz didn’t see as a possible fit here and Roseman obliged him.

  7. 7 James said at 1:14 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I do think that there is a drop off after pick 10. Previous mocks have been showing Eagles drafting the likes of Conklin, Alexander and Lynch. Players who could fall much farther down round 1.

  8. 8 Media Mike said at 5:32 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Conklin and Lynch in particular should be bottom of the round guys.

  9. 9 James said at 9:53 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Exactly, players after the 10th pick are all bouncing from mid-late in mock drafts.

  10. 10 eagleyankfan said at 8:17 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    So you’re saying — there are GM’s out there going “OMG. Howie just talked about a RB. WE NOW MUST GET HIM. Whatever it takes. Get Lurie on the phone. By his wife diamonds. I HAVE to have the 8th pick now because HR said something about something about an RB. I know I have my own staff who evaluates players – but all of them suck. I have to move on HR’s word”. I’m not saying it’ll be impossible for HR to move on the pick(weirder things have happened). All I’m saying is — the GM’s of other teams are not sitting around at the edge of their seats waiting for HR’s press conf. to know what to do….

  11. 11 Forthebirds said at 11:13 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I think most ohe game playing around the draft goes on in fans’ head and not in FOs. Not much else to think about till the draft actually gets here. I wasn’t a Howie hater last year and I am not a Howie lover now. He had an excellent free agency, but I will reserve judgment until the draft. If he picks Elliott at 8, which is agood chance, fans will turn on him. I would be okay with Hargreaves, Jack, Elliott, or Stanley, in no particular order. As long as we get someone who can start right away, and who is a significant upgrade over who we have now, which all of these guys appear to be, I will be okay with it. I can also understand a trade back to get a second rounder if it means two solid starters instead of elite talent.

  12. 12 Stephen E. said at 12:29 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    The implication is not that other GMs will suddenly think Elliott is worthy of the #8 pick because of what Roseman said, but that teams that were already targeting Elliott will become concerned that he might be off the board before they pick.

  13. 13 Howie Speaks - said at 11:00 PM on March 21st, 2016:

    […] Tommy Lawlor The NFL owners meetings are taking place down in Florida. Howie Roseman spoke with reporters today. […]

  14. 14 Cafone said at 11:17 PM on March 21st, 2016:

    Maybe the Eagles did call Morris’ agent, if only to drive the price up for Dallas a bit.

  15. 15 Mac said at 12:38 AM on March 22nd, 2016:


  16. 16 Media Mike said at 5:15 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    See Doug, Free.

  17. 17 Cafone said at 11:33 PM on March 21st, 2016:

    I do not think they should draft Ezekiel Elliot, but I am going to love it if they do. I can’t lose either way.

  18. 18 sonofdman said at 8:51 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    That’s exactly how I feel. I agree with all the arguments about how you shouldn’t draft a running back that high, but it would be fun to get elliot.

  19. 19 A_T_G said at 9:02 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Well said.

  20. 20 Mitchell said at 11:48 PM on March 21st, 2016:

    I think Howard would make a great poker player.

  21. 21 laeagle said at 1:42 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I would pay good money to watch Howie play Chip at poker. The unstoppable force meets the totally movable object.

  22. 22 SteveH said at 3:05 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I’m trying to make a terrible pun about Chip’s name and poker Chips but it’s too late and I’m going to bed.

  23. 23 laeagle said at 3:05 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    What’s important is that you cared enough to try.

  24. 24 Stephen E. said at 12:30 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    The chips are down… in San Francisco.

  25. 25 Ankerstjernen said at 4:54 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Honestly it would be a short game. Chip, pressing the tempo, would immediately go all in, showing his hand to Roseman as he did. Because, you know, it does’nt matter weather the opponent knows whats coming..

  26. 26 Media Mike said at 5:08 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Chip would go all-in on 2-7 off suit, flip both cards over for everybody to see, and get angry that the dealer didn’t flip over all 3 cards fast enough.

  27. 27 Forthebirds said at 11:16 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Yeah. Chip throws in all his chips on Ace high, and Howie beats him with a low pair.

  28. 28 MattE said at 11:16 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Big stacks beat little stacks.

  29. 29 ProbablyDrunk said at 12:08 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I thought Eagles will still run a zone blocking scheme with Stoutland still there. Also think KC wasn’t a traditional WC offense

  30. 30 Mitchell said at 12:18 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I think you’re probably drunk!

  31. 31 Jack Waggoner said at 12:50 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Yes, I think the line will likely use a similar scheme. And there really are no traditional WCOs in existence

  32. 32 laeagle said at 1:41 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Not only that, but Shanahan has run a WC variant since his time in SF. IT’s all very confusing.

  33. 33 Mitchell said at 12:50 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    The more I look at the draft landscape, the more I only see 3 top tier players in Ramsey, Jack and Tunsil. If one of them doesnt miraculously fall to 8, i can definately see Howard trading back, even to pick up a 3rd. In regards to the original move to 8, I bet Schwartz told Howard that Kiko and Maxwell werent going to fit. Howard took that cue to see what he could rummage out of 2 under achievers. Along came Miami who were big enough dopes to not only take the contracts but also swap picks. Howard took Miami for all they had. Now the Eagles are in a better position to nab one of the top 3, drop back in the draft, recouping picks, possibly trade up again and created cap space. Howard Roseman: The Master of Flexibility.

  34. 34 Dude said at 2:43 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    While he did offload some terrible contracts, involving mediocre players, Howie didn’t do anyone dirty. They got (expectedly) good players, when based on past performance. Howie not only offloaded bad players and their $, he made it apparent that we will make clean deals from here on out. We’re not caughing up gold mines, but we will let you grab one of our guys for a reasonable price. Swinging Howie, laying pipe for our future.

  35. 35 Mitchell said at 7:50 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I wasnt trying to imply he did. Even if it was true, it would be Miamis fault for being suckers.

  36. 36 D3FB said at 6:26 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Say it with me now everyone:

    Howie did not trade up to 8 to arbitrage the pick.

  37. 37 A_T_G said at 7:24 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I am not sure what that big, fancy word means, but Howie didn’t say, “I need pick #8. How do I get it.” He framed it that way to be polite to the two anchors he dropped overboard.

    He said, “What is the most value I can get for these albatrosses.” (See? Albatrosses is almost as impressive as arbitrage.) “Wait, holy hell, they offered what?! Done.”

    I don’t think the idea of him sliding back in the draft is out of the question.

  38. 38 eagleyankfan said at 7:41 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I don’t agree there. HR said — there are 10 blue chips in this years draft and he wanted to be positioned in the top 10. He said — his moves were to get in the top 10. Shedding those contracts were a bonus. He’s there now in the top 10. Could he possible move back? Yes. It’ll take a mountain of a deal to get him to move.
    IF you’re a fan of that show “path to the draft” they said it as well — if there’s a player you’re OK with at 13 — you don’t do trades to move up just to move back.

  39. 39 A_T_G said at 8:23 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    But Howie is never going to say anything bad about a player on his way out the door. He isn’t going to say they just wanted to get rid of them and the pick was nice bonus. Of course he says that the opportunity to get that particular spot in the draft was just too good to pass up.

    If we had traded with Dallas, Howie would have said that there are 5 elite prospects and we wanted to get into position to get one of them at #4.

    If we had to move back to get rid of the guys Howie would have said that we believed there were 15 enticing prospects in the draft and so we didn’t mind sliding back to 14 to insure our financial future.

  40. 40 eagleyankfan said at 8:33 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    You’re missing the point. IF HR was ok with a player being available at 13 — why do THAT trade? Why not trade for a 2nd rounder or for next years draft? If you use resources to move up to get something you’re targeting – why use additional resources to move back to get something your already knew you had?
    Is it possible he moves back? Anything is possible. Is it possible he’s playing the media? Of course. IF those things are possible, isn’t it also possible that HR realizes that getting “mid-tier” guys year after year = mediocre and he now has a chance(or better odds of) getting an impact player? Let’s hope this is our only top 10 pick for the next 10 years and we’re picking late 20’s from here on out. To do that – we need better talent.

  41. 41 A_T_G said at 8:58 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I believe Howie likes the options better at 8, sure. And I truly believe the most likely outcome is that we pick a guy at 8.

    I also do not believe there are 10 (or even 8) players with which he will be equally excited to claim. And I certainly do not believe that trading back is off the table for Howie.

    As for why he would do it, there is a lot of information we don’t have. Maybe Miami refused to offer their second. More likely I think, maybe Howie realized that trading back from 8 on draft day could be more rewarding than trading back from 8 in March.

    Again, I think 8 is most likely. I just think believing that Howie won’t trade back because he said 8 was his goal from the start is naive.

  42. 42 eagleyankfan said at 12:42 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I’ll defer to D3FB reply above:

    Because if it was about acquiring 2nd-4th round picks he would’ve taken the Dolphins 3rd round pick then and traded back from 13.

    There’s a reason why HR wanted in the top 10. To me, to think he traded to 8 in hopes of trading back is naïve. Does it make it easier to from 8 to 5 instead of 13 to 5? Maybe now it’s easier I guess.
    I don’t think there are 10 blue chips either. But the talent from 8 to pick 13 is a nice gap in talent. Assuming HR did his homework. Assuming all his “people” did their homework. They came up with – we’d like guy 1, 2 or 3. Those guys won’t be there at 13. Maybe they’d be there at 10 or 11 but those teams wouldn’t trade.
    Again, an Evil HR wasn’t sitter there going “I know — let’s trade to 8 to fool everyone on who we want, then I’ll talk up an RB and then we’ll find a trading partner(because it’s that easy on draft day) and draft back to get the guy we really really want and we will fool all the nfl. I’d imagine if HR wanted to move back — as D3FB stated — he would have already…

  43. 43 A_T_G said at 2:03 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    C’mon, don’t do that. You are trying to put words in my mouth now. In hopes of trading back? Evil HR plot? I started and ended and ended the comment to which you are responding by saying the most likely outcome is drafting at 8.

    And I agree, Howie and Co. have guys 1, 2, and 3 targeted at 8. I don’t think moving up to 5 is off the table if they think it gets them one of those guys, and I don’t think sliding back to 11 is off the table if they are unable to get any of them.

    It isn’t evil, double secret plot, just keeping the options open. One more time, I think he moved to 8 planning to pick at 8. I don’t think Howie, now or ever, will refuse to adjust his plans based on the situation on draft day.

  44. 44 D3FB said at 9:52 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Because if it was about acquiring 2nd-4th round picks he would’ve taken the Dolphins 3rd round pick then and traded back from 13.

  45. 45 Mac said at 11:05 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    You don’t generate extra media coverage by doing boring things.

  46. 46 D3FB said at 11:12 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Well there’s a certain QB from Howie’s alma mater that tends to do well with the page views…

    Damnit Howie, not John Brantley.

  47. 47 A_T_G said at 2:11 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    It wasn’t about that, and that isn’t the goal.

    But neither was the magical #8 pick. It was just the best value he could get for the players.

    And he will pick at 8, right up to the moment where he sees greater value elsewhere, either because the less than 8 guys we want are gone or an offer too good to turn down comes in.

  48. 48 eagleyankfan said at 7:38 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Amen. Can you please put that in call caps, bold and underline it.

  49. 49 Mitchell said at 7:47 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Did he tell you that over morning coffee?

  50. 50 D3FB said at 9:40 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Sconces and tea.

  51. 51 Mac said at 11:02 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    His car or yours?

  52. 52 MattE said at 11:13 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I tend to agree because I think Howie was uber-suprised about compensation offered by Miami.

  53. 53 MattE said at 11:30 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    #8 fell into our laps as far as I’m concerned.

  54. 54 Iskar36 said at 12:55 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    ” If any of them covet the star RB, maybe they’ll be willing to move up.
    There is a lot of logic to the Eagles moving back a few spots and adding
    a 2nd round pick.”

    I think we argue over this every year, but to me, making teams believe you may have interest in a player they like DOES NOT translate into them trading with you and us moving back. It translates to them trading AHEAD of you to draft that player.

    I think ACViking was saying this earlier but my guess is if this is a smokescreen, they are hoping to get a team to jump ahead of them and push down another guy that they are targeting.

    Also, I understand the original “we see 10 top tier talents in this draft” comment can be a smokescreen, but that would be a tough sell to make to fans to make that comment and then trade back and NOT get a top 10 guy. Obviously, you don’t run a franchise based on fan sentiment, but I have my doubts that they would trade up to 8 then trade back after making that comment. Honestly, I think they have a short list of 4 or 5 guys they are targeting at the top of the draft which may or may not include Zeke.

  55. 55 DaO_Z said at 5:00 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Philly needs a new FO if they concern themselves with micromanaging fans, and they already would after some of the blunders made in the first round.

    If the “10 players” line was a smoke screen; who knows, I’m sure it was an attempt to get the same reaction from other teams that it got from the fans. There’s no way the Eagles are trading back; or/and any team would need to offer them a boatload to change their minds.

    Def. agree their list only 4/5 guys long….

  56. 56 Dominik said at 8:55 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    It would be a tough sell if he would drop back 6 or 7 spots. But Howie could argue “we saw two unexpected picks in front of us, so moving back to 12 still gave us a chance at one of our top 10 players, while adding picks on the way”.

    Thing is, of course the team shouldn’t care too much about PR. But if you say there are 10 blue chip player, you’re in the position to get one, but you trade back to get a 3rd round pick who turns out to be a bust, while your outside of the top 10 pick isn’t shining that bright, you will hear it ALL THE TIME. And the most important thing: Lurie will take notice, too. That’s what’s important for Howie.

  57. 57 James said at 1:12 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    This is the first year in a long time where I don’t a have a single player that I would love the Eagles to draft in the first round.

    Jalen Ramsey is my ‘Pipedream player 2016’ although, I have seen him fall to the Eagles in one or two mocks.

    Personally I agree with Roseman about there being a drop off after pick 10. I know that there are some positions that need addressing more than others, but Eagles can truly go BPA at pick 8.

  58. 58 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:43 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Yeah I don’t really care who they draft… I care that whoever it is turns out to be an elite pro, Amd I’ll take Elite Talemt at any position I can get It…
    Getting Ramsey or Jack is the only thing that would really excite me, and both are unlikely

  59. 59 James said at 9:55 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    You sound like me.

    I only get excited about drafting a prospect that is supposed to be just out of reach.

  60. 60 Stacks209 said at 1:32 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Another appetizing scenario at pick #8 is to trade up. I think if Ramsey makes it past Dallas that we try to move up for him.

  61. 61 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:46 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    For that to happen, I would think someone like Miles Jack would have to be available to stand any chance in the Jags passing on Ramsey.. And even then, the Ravens could easily jump for joy finding Ramsey available at #6… Unlikely, but we def share the same dream

  62. 62 Insomniac said at 3:20 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I don’t think any of the top 5 picks will be available for us to trade up to unless we overpay the other team.

  63. 63 Ankerstjernen said at 5:01 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    If this is really a smoke screen, it wouldnt make sense that its about making another team trade with us but rather make another team trade in front of us. Because that is what other teams do if they covet a player you are likely to take. In other words, if this is a smokescreen its that Roseman doesnt really believe that Zeke is good value at 8 and wants a team to trade ahead to get him, pushing someone else down.

  64. 64 Media Mike said at 5:06 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I said the exact same thing to some friends yesterday. Somebody else trading up for a player you don’t want pushes a play that you do into your lap.

  65. 65 Mac said at 11:01 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Keep in mind, in some card games where you have a teammate it is considered cheating to specifically tell your teammate what you have; however, through creative bidding you can “tell” your teammate what you have. This may be a case of Howie letting folks know that while he said “we’re very excited about being in the top 10” the negotiation table is still wide open, bring me your best offer.

  66. 66 Media Mike said at 5:22 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I couldn’t quite put my finer on why I don’t want Elliot at 8 until this morning when it hit me; 1999.

    The fan base, myself included, was all ginned up to take Ricky Williams at #2. Reid smartly went QB and allowed another franchise to ruin themselves by taking a bust of a running back.

    I know 2016 isn’t 1999, Goff isn’t McNabb, and Elliot isn’t Williams. But I’m happy we had McNabb. I just can’t shake the feeling that we’re never going to get top 10 draft pick value and career production from a RB who isn’t Peterson. Add in to that the fact that Greg Cossell doesn’t see Elliot as the clear cut #1 RB in this draft and I doubly don’t want Elliot.

  67. 67 RobNE said at 8:52 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    this all also reminds me of the Keith Byars scenario. Man was Buddy fun. But that selection wasn’t worth the pick.

  68. 68 Bob Brewer said at 7:30 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    The question is if Tunsil, Ramsey, Jack, Goff, Wentz, and Bosa are gone, who is worth pick 8?

    Please no Hargreaves.

  69. 69 Jack Waggoner said at 7:50 AM on March 22nd, 2016:


  70. 70 Cafone said at 8:44 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    How about Hargreaves?

  71. 71 D3FB said at 9:46 AM on March 22nd, 2016:


  72. 72 Birds4Life said at 10:06 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I would like to hear your take on Stanley. I’m sure you have posted about him before, but I missed it if you did. I like your write-ups on players and you do way more research on these guys than I do. Would Stanley be worth the #8 pick? I know he is getting knocked for his performance at the combine. But I have seen some tape on him and he seems like a legit LT of the future.

  73. 73 D3FB said at 10:16 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Haven’t done a write up on him, but general thoughts:

    He’s a legit LT. He’s worth pick 8. Reminds me of Okung and Ryan Clady. He’s going to be a good T for a long time. Guys with legit LT ability are rare. He doesn’t have best LT in the game type ability but could certainly fit in the 5-10 best range.

    It’s not the cleanest from a roster building perspective in the short term. He doesn’t fit well at G. So now you have an awkward situation with JP, but that’s liveable. He would give you a bookend T opposite Lane and doesn’t leave you scrambling in a year or two if Lane at LT doesn’t go as well as hoped.

  74. 74 Birds4Life said at 10:27 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Thanks for the reply! This eases my concerns if we were to draft him. I could live with the awkward situation with him and JP for a year if that means we have 4/5 of our line young & locked up for the next 4 years. Plus hopefully JP can give Stanley some pointers, from all reports JP doesn’t mind helping the younger guys. I know that JP has stated his desire to stay at LT but maybe he realizes the situation and moves to G in 2017.

  75. 75 D3FB said at 10:32 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I think you would go to JP and say look you’ve said in the past you have been open to playing G, but at the end of the season you basically said look at all this shit around me I’m the LT!

    You’re getting older, we have just spent a top 10 pick on a T, we love you, we value you, and hell we’ll even let you keep your full salary this year and you’ll be ridiculously well payed for a G! Please be a team player and play G, maybe you can extend your career that way (he’s done after this year, anyways, but shhhhh). If not threaten to bring Chip back for 15 minutes and give him the Mathis treatment.

  76. 76 Birds4Life said at 11:01 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    That would be my dream scenario if they drafted Stanley. Slide JP to G so we’re set on the OL. Stanley-Peters-Kelce-Brooks-Johnson would be a crazy line to roll out there! Would be running all over teams with that line. Plus JP can mentor the kid for a year, teach him the ropes and be a coach on the field type player. This would be nice if it were to happen.

  77. 77 eagleyankfan said at 12:32 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    We love you – but not in that way – anymore. We can still be friends while you’re a guard. Question is – will he give you 100% at guard?
    I think I’ve asked you before – but this is where I struggle a bit about drafting an OT in round 1. Can you draft an OT and sit him for the season(assuming Peters won’t move). I guess you can – and these guys are men and should understand they are on the “down” side of their career. It’ll be interesting for sure. I absolutely believe we need an OT for the future. Take or not take, I wouldn’t be surprised. Whoever he is(drafted) – praying he’s a stud.

  78. 78 D3FB said at 7:01 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    It’s a delicate situation. But you just can’t let a 34 year old dictate the long term roster construction. I think you try like hell to convince it’s the right thing to do. You even wait until training camp, let him see that Stanley is legit, and then if he’s still refusing to move you call Seattle. At that point you’ve done right by him and despite the fact he has such a strong presence in the locker room most guys will be able to respect that it was handled the right way and realize it was just the business side of the sport.

  79. 79 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:35 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    God no to Alfred Morris… We need a rookie RB from some point in this draft. Rather pay Polk than Morris if we had to pay a RB…
    For me, a guy like Morris only makes any sense if we trade Ryan…. But I’d much rather have Ryan Mathews instead of Morris…

  80. 80 eagleyankfan said at 8:07 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I’m still a fan of RM. IF he got traded, I wouldn’t mind Alfred – only if a rookie was drafted to be groomed to be the man…

  81. 81 eagleyankfan said at 8:06 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    ” First, he’s saying this to lay the groundwork with Eagles fans and the media so that if the team does take Ezekiel Elliott 8th overall there won’t be a huge backlash about how RBs are easy to find and that’s a huge reach.” — If you believe that — please pm your address and I’ll send you a contract for a bridge I’m selling. It’s in a great location. It connects two states and you benefit from getting people to pay the tolls. Ok, you seem like a nice crowd. Today only — 2 bridges for the price of one – BUT you have to act quickly….
    HR (or any GM/acting GM, VP etc.) does not give rats ass what the fans “thinks” he should do with the 8th pick. To imply HR is that dumb – I can only assume that quote was a joke.

  82. 82 eagleyankfan said at 8:24 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    A reason why they leave the draft to the pro’s and not to recent players(or fans). On the show Path to the Draft — they had a guest (nfl player) do a mock draft. His pick for the Eagles was a guard. His reasoning – the Eagles have a need so draft him at 8. Two regulars spoke up and said that guard is a late 2nd round or early 3rd round at best. I’m not saying the “pro’s” are always right. I’m just saying – thank goodness this guy is not drafting for the Eagles….

  83. 83 Tdoteaglefan said at 8:48 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Yeah i mentioned that in the previous thread…the player was Maurice jones drew,at least he understands what we need but that pick was a horrible reach

  84. 84 MattE said at 11:08 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    MJD hosts a “Madden Show” on NFL Network now with 2 other dudes…. he looks like he has let himself go a bit lol.

  85. 85 eagleyankfan said at 12:27 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Unless you’re hosting “biggest loser”, there are no weight requirements to host I guess 🙂

  86. 86 Sean Stott said at 12:39 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    He was always a super thick type. Hard to keep that kind of body type lean without a serious workout regimen. Same thing with Lacy, T. Richardson I think

  87. 87 MattE said at 3:53 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    …and JaMarcus (Offensive tackle version)

  88. 88 b3nz0z said at 9:46 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    yeah thank god the eagles never drafted a guard in the first round – DAMN U FIREMAN

  89. 89 Mac said at 11:16 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    The Cowboys go off the deep end hiring guys that beat up women. The Eagles go off the deep end hiring a high character guy who just can’t stop himself from helping to rescue damsels in distress.


  90. 90 A_T_G said at 9:05 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Drafting Ezekiel Elliot is the organization’s best chance to make inroads into the Amish and Mennonite communities, with the scarcity of Jedidiahs and Bathshebas in the early rounds.

  91. 91 b3nz0z said at 9:45 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    DeForest isn’t ancient Aramaic?

  92. 92 A_T_G said at 10:07 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    And lo the Israelites hesitantly moved between the walls of water. And one of the followers sprinted out ahead of the pack. And Moses was heard to exclaim, “Where did DeForest go? I can’t see DeForest for da’ seas!”

  93. 93 D3FB said at 9:46 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Here is another sleeper that fits your criteria

  94. 94 Dave said at 9:13 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    As spring arrives, so does the start of the anti-Lurie/anti-Howie propaganda. The theme of these media-driven, front office assaults tend to focus on the following keywords: accountability, Teflon, and transparency. We all knew the love fest of free agency wouldn’t last long and that the Howie hatred would bear its ugly had soon enough.

  95. 95 xmbk said at 10:14 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    What are you, his agent? Seemed like a pretty reasonable article to me. Even more important than Roseman, this team reboot is a referendum on Lurie. If the Niners make it to the NFC championship before the Eagles, it’s likely time for a new owner.

  96. 96 Dave said at 11:01 AM on March 22nd, 2016:


  97. 97 TypicalDouche said at 11:10 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    “If the Niners make it to the NFC championship before the Eagles, it’s likely time for a new owner.”…So is Lurie going to fire himself?

  98. 98 MattE said at 11:12 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    uprising by fans, we will be the 2nd publicly owned team in the league.

  99. 99 xmbk said at 8:01 AM on March 23rd, 2016:


  100. 100 TypicalDouche said at 8:50 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Really what? I am repeating what you said and asking you a question.

  101. 101 xmbk said at 11:17 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    Maybe. Or maybe you were living up to your screen name. 😉 I’m sure you know the answer, no idea what that question has to do with what I said. This rebuild is a referendum on the owner. I can’t fire anyone on the Eagles, so stating my opinion on any of them is no different that stating my opinion on Lurie. He has been making some questionable moves.

  102. 102 TypicalDouche said at 11:21 AM on March 23rd, 2016:

    You don’t see what the question has to do with what you said? I posted your statement with a direct question that makes sense. It isn’t my fault you said something ludicrous like the owner should be replaced. What questionable moves recently has Lurie made? Besides not hiring a real gm I haven’t seen many questionable moves this offseason.

  103. 103 xmbk said at 9:35 AM on March 25th, 2016:

    Great article, sums up a lot of my thoughts:

  104. 104 TypicalDouche said at 2:54 PM on March 25th, 2016:

    A conspiracy theory article written by a niners site? Cmon friend, if you feel that same way as that stupid article then you are as clueless as they are. Do you really believe Roseman was intentionally trying to sabotage last season just to get Chip fired? Do you also believe that Tupac and Elvis are still alive as well? I am not trying to attack you or anything so please don’t feel that way I just cant get behind stupid articles like that and people that actually believe those things.

  105. 105 xmbk said at 6:34 PM on March 25th, 2016:

    Ugh, I hate getting dragged into a discussion with a troll, but at least you are a top notch troll. Did you even check to see who the author was? I’m done, but this will be interesting to keep an eye on. BTW, if you don’t believe that the egos in the NFL are big enough to hurt the team short term for long term personal gain, you might as well head to Vegas and check out the latest Elvis show. I’m too old to care about rap.

  106. 106 TypicalDouche said at 8:03 PM on March 25th, 2016:

    So I’m a troll because I don’t agree with what you’re saying?.Ha ok whatever you say buddy

  107. 107 Mac said at 10:43 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    The real question is this: Is Kempski Bipolar or is his fan base Bipolar?

  108. 108 MattE said at 11:07 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Both, I mean neither.

  109. 109 Mac said at 11:13 AM on March 22nd, 2016:


  110. 110 ACViking said at 11:18 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    . . . accountability, Teflon, and transparency . . .

    * On “accountability” — Lurie owns the team, so he’s not getting fired if the team doesn’t win.

    That leaves Roseman or Pederson, or both, to bear the blame.

    Not sure where there’s an “accountability” problem.

    * On “Teflon” — see “accountability”

    * On “transparency” — Who cares . . . besides a certain commenter on this blog who relentlessly calls Lurie all kinds of juvenile names for not saying Roseman’s the GM.

    Seriously, what’s there to know? That the Eagles have a draft board? Or are targeting certain players?

    Or laugh whenever they hear “Chip Kelly – Genius”?

    If Lurie et al. were totally transparent . . . well, there’d be nothing to see, really.

  111. 111 Dave said at 12:58 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    How’s that for accountability and responsibility. Que the Howie Roseman Teflon articles in 3,2,1…

  112. 112 unhinged said at 5:39 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I get that you’re annoyed by Lurie and Roseman criticism, but I think it is deeper than “media driven.” Lurie wants to win – he’s told us on numerous occasions, and he has shelled out many dollars to demonstrate his desire to win. But I think the criticism, which you do not appreciate, is largely in response to the instances of double-speak and the reflexive defense of Howie, who has made his share of mistakes. Does he have to spell out all that goes on behind closed doors of NCC offices? Not at all. Is it his right to hire and promote as he sees fit? Absolutely.
    Lurie won’t ever state that he will not share some inside FO information, which might blunt some of the criticism, but rather he tries to spin it as though there’s nothing to know. For writers and journalists and reporters, that is about as insulting as it gets. I happen to think that Lurie is among the best owners in the NFL because of how he applies himself to the task of trying to improve the franchise, and for the most part, that effort is “transparent.” He is not an overt meddler like Snider and Jones, but the fast and easy ascendance of HR suggests that the owner is more closely involved with most, if not all, of football operations decisions than any onlooker might conclude. When compared with Paul Allen or the Tisch’s or Mara’s or Rooney’s, Lurie seems to be comfortable only with more direct involvement and control. If that is the case, he should just acknowledge it and put the matter to bed. The criticism of Roseman, I believe, is primarily because of his close relationship to the owner. That relationship, with no agenda to stir the pot on anyone’s part, raises questions about his professional fitness to achieve so much so quickly. I do not find the raising of that question to be unfair or offensive, but I do feel that some of the commentary surrounding that issue has been ugly and quite offensive.
    To wrap, I would just say this: Jeff Lurie clearly wants to win a SB…on his terms.

  113. 113 Dave said at 6:40 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    So what you are saying in a nutshell is:

    1.) Howie was never qualified for his current or past positions with the team and was promoted too easily. Lurie should provide details of why and how Howie was promoted over the past 16 years so the media can determine if Howie truly is qualified for his job.
    2.) When the media thinks Howie screwed up something and asks Lurie about it, Lurie should either fire Howie or threw him under the bus. He should never stand up for his highest ranking employee.
    3.) When the media ask Lurie direct questions on the inter-workings of his billion dollar business and he refuses to answer or gives them the runaround to avoid answering, that is insulting the media. Lurie should answer all questions thoroughly and honestly.
    4.) Lurie should contact the Seahawks and Giants to find out the level of involvement of their ownership. If he determines he is more involved with the Eagles than they are with their respective teams, he should contact the media and inform them of such.

  114. 114 unhinged said at 7:45 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    In a nutshell you put many, many words in my mouth, that I neither said nor implied.

  115. 115 Dave said at 8:12 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    OK, maybe you can clarify your actual words.

    “but the fast and easy ascendance of HR”

    What does this mean? How was it easy? How do you know it was easy? Are you implying improprieties in his ascendence that made it easy?

    “But I think the criticism, which you do not appreciate, is largely in response to the instances of double-speak and the reflexive defense of Howie, who has made his share of mistakes.”

    Is he not supposed to defend his GM? Is he supposed to throw him under the bus? Is he supposed to fire him?

    “Lurie won’t ever state that he will not share some inside FO information, which might blunt some of the criticism, but rather he tries to spin it as though there’s nothing to know. For writers and journalists and reporters, that is about as insulting as it gets.”

    Is he supposed to share FO information when asked. Or he he supposed to tell the media no comment? What should his answer be to the media when they ask for inside information?

    “When compared with Paul Allen or the Tisch’s or Mara’s or Rooney’s, Lurie seems to be comfortable only with more direct involvement and control.”

    That seems like conjecture. Do you have inside information of the level of involvement of these other owners?

    It seems you don’t like Howie like several outspoken members of the media. That’s fine. But the media seems to think it’s ownership’s responsibility to provide justification for his ascendence and continued employment since they don’t like him.

  116. 116 Tdoteaglefan said at 9:37 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Wow justin houston out 6-12 months after ACL surgery

  117. 117 anon said at 10:04 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Cowboys signed RB Alfred Morris, formerly of the Redskins, to a two-year contract.

  118. 118 b3nz0z said at 10:09 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    glad we dodged that. he might have been ok but too much too soon after demarco

  119. 119 anon said at 10:56 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    only good in zone scheme

  120. 120 A_T_G said at 11:54 AM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I guess this is what 100 million gets you in Oklahoma. I expected more.

  121. 121 ACViking said at 12:08 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    Must respect “The Sleeves” . . .

  122. 122 BobSmith77 said at 2:27 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    I had a jersey like that as a kid only it had 3/4 sleeves and ‘7’ on for Jaworski.

  123. 123 Ark87 said at 12:23 PM on March 22nd, 2016:

    speaking of Andy, when we get to our third round pick, I suggest we trade a cheese steak to Andy for him disclosing his favorite RB left on the board. The man knew his running backs, the single most ironic thing about Andy Reid.