No Coach, Lots of Rumors
Posted: January 8th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 434 Comments »Let’s start with the most interesting rumor of the coaching search so far.
Paul Domowitch reported today that Jon Gruden is interested in the Eagles job. Read the words carefully. Gruden…is interested in the Eagles. Not the other way around.
One other name has sort of surfaced in the Eagles’ coaching search: Jon Gruden.
Gruden is doing his biennial return-to-coaching tire-kicking. Whether he’s serious this time or just needs his ego massaged still is unclear.
But a league source told the Daily News that he has informed Lurie, through an intermediary, that he is interested in the Eagles’ head-coaching job.
The source said that while Lurie likes and respects Gruden, who was the Eagles’ offensive coordinator in 1997-98, he has reservations about the ESPN Monday Night Football analyst’s ability/willingness to play nice with Roseman, who has returned to a seat of personnel power now that Chip Kelly is gone.
Gruden has told people that working with Roseman wouldn’t be a problem. But Kelly said the same thing when he was hired in 2013, and look how that turned out.
For now, according to the source, Lurie is focused on his assistant-coaching candidates, with the idea that if he doesn’t happen to fall in love with any of them, he always can pick up the phone and call Chucky.
I’m not pushing for this to happen. Gruden won a Super Bowl in Tampa and had success in Oakland, but over his final 6 seasons in Tampa he was 45-51 and 0-2 in the playoffs. Gruden won with veterans, but failed to develop enough young talent in either stop.
Still, I’d be lying if I said part of me isn’t curious about what it would be like to have Gruden as coach. He was a great assistant for the Eagles and won big both in Oakland (not easy) and Tampa.
Howard Eskin has already talked to Gruden and been told “I’m not interested”, but who knows if that is really true. If Gruden did send out feelers to the Eagles and was rebuffed, he wouldn’t admit to that publicly. He would save face by denying interest.
Now let’s move on to “real” candidates.
Domo says Doug Pederson might be the favorite.
As we told you earlier this week, Doug Pederson, a former Eagles quarterback and assistant coach and now Andy Reid’s offensive coordinator in Kansas City, was Lurie’s leading assistant candidate going into the interview process.
He appears to still be that, though Bears offensive coordinator Adam Gase apparently made a very good impression on Lurie, club president Don Smolenski and vice president of football operations Howie Roseman Tuesday when he met with them.
I think Pederson is an interesting candidate, but he’s not compelling in any way. I’ll write more on him later. Pederson deserves his own post, if he truly is one of the favorites.
Reports say the Eagles will interview him on Sunday (the Chiefs play on Saturday).
Make sure you read Domo’s column. He’s got plenty of other nuggets in there, including this one.
While the Eagles’ new head coach likely will be free to hire all of his own assistants, I’m told four of Chip Kelly’s assistants will be recommended by Lurie and Howie Roseman as possible “keeps’’ to the new coach: special teams coordinator Dave Fipp, running backs coach Duce Staley, defensive backs coach Cory Undlin and offensive line coach Jeff Stoutland.
Those would all be good moves. Fipp is the real key. He has established himself as one of the best STs coaches in the NFL. Keeping him should be a priority. The other assistants are good at what they do. I’d also be interested in bringing back DL coach Jerry Azzinaro, but a lot of that might have to do with the scheme. If the Eagles go to a 4-3, 1-gap attacking style, Coach Azz might not be the best fit. He may also be seen as being too much of a Chip Kelly guy. We’ll see how all this shakes out.
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One thing we know for a fact, the Eagles did interview Ben McAdoo on Thursday. He was the Giants OC for the past 2 years. Before that, he was the Packers QB coach. McAdoo isn’t a big name, but he’s got a good track record and is a coach on the rise.
We don’t know any details on the interview yet.
Jeff McLane does have an update on Adam Gase, who may or may not be a top Eagles candidate.
The NFL Network reported on Wednesday that the Eagles had planned on setting up a second interview with Gase, but an NFL source said nothing had been scheduled as of Thursday. The team remains interested in meeting with Gase again, however, according to several league sources.
The feeling is mutual. Gase came away from the eight-hour meeting with a favorable opinion of Roseman, a source familiar with his thinking said. Roseman, the Eagles’ vice president of football operations, will head the personnel department and work hand-in-hand with the new coach.
Gase met with the Dolphins on Thursday and was slated to sit down with the Giants as well. He interviewed with the Browns on Wednesday.
There is obvious competition for the 37-year-old Gase. But Lurie and company are committed to going through the process of meeting with each of their candidates.
That’s an interesting nugget about Gase and Roseman. I could see them getting along. Both have non-traditional backgrounds and had to really work hard to climb the football ladder.
BTW, @RoobCSN is correct, a league source says, not that I ever doubted him. As of right now, no 2nd Gase interview scheduled with Eagles.
— Les Bowen (@LesBowen) January 7, 2016
In regard to the Eagles strategy of talking to multiple candidates, I think that is smart. If there was one guy who was incredibly compelling and felt like the ideal candidate, you hire him. Anything less than that and I think you are smart to look around and meet with different coaches. The first option isn’t always the best. Andy Reid wasn’t the Eagles first option in 1999. Jim Johnson wasn’t Reid’s first option. I think both moves worked out pretty well.
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One coach the Eagles do have interest in is Bengals DC Paul Guenther. They asked for permission to interview him.
Guenther has done a good job with the Bengals defense in the past 2 years. Prior to that, he did a very good job with the Bengals LBs in 2012 and 2013. Before that, Guenther worked with LBs, DBs and STs. He is a smart defensive coach and comes from a very stable situation. Seems rare these days when an assistant is with a team for a decade.
In a way, that’s one of my big concerns. You want coaches to move around and be exposed to different schemes and styles. Andy Reid only worked for one NFL team prior to coming to the Eagles, but was at several major colleges and worked for some good coaches. Guenther’s background is not typical.
| 1994–1995 | Western Maryland (assistant) |
| 1996 | Ursinus (assistant) |
| 1997 | Jacksonville University (DC) |
| 1997–2000 | Ursinus (head coach) |
| 2002–2003 | Washington Redskins (assistant) |
| 2005–2013 | Cincinnati Bengals (assistant) |
| 2014–present | Cincinnati Bengals (DC) |
Small college football has a value, but you really need to use that as a launching pad. Guenther went from one small school to another to another before getting his foot in the NFL door. He’s worked for 2 influential coaches, Steve Spurrier and Marvin Lewis, and I’m not sure if NFL Spurrier should even count. I prefer more diversity in a coach.
That isn’t to say Guenther isn’t good at what he does and might not be a terrific head coach. He might. I just prefer when an assistant has been exposed to different ways of doing things. Just think about Pat Shurmur’s comments about working for Chip Kelly and how that experience changed him.
The more I’ve read on Guenther, the more he’s grown on me. He’s not my top choice, but I do like a lot of what he has to say. I was a big fan of Mike Zimmer’s and Guenther was his right-hand man for several years. That is worth something.
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Tommy, have you posted your thoughts on Cowher? Not necessarily IF it’s possible to get him, but if so, how would you feel about it?
Not worth the bandwidth. Lucky and overrated like the Grudog. Maybe even more so.
lucky and overrated? SMH.
Cowher bumbled his way through 14 years of bad QB decisions and mediocre coaching until he got lucky in his final year after the GM got him Roethlisberger. Do you think Philly, or any organization, would allow that to happen again – let a coach go 15 years without winning? As for the Grudog….his record speaks for itself. He walked into a SB with Dungy’s guys. Then the team sucked for years after under his helm. He’s the Barry Melrose of football. Sounds sharp on tv. Make him responsible again and you quickly find out how out of touch with reality he is with today’s game.
I agree with you 100%. No SB winning coach has ever gone on to win another one with a different team. No Gruden no Coughlin no cowher!!!
Matt Maiocco @MaioccoCSN 10m10 minutes ago
Source: The 49ers have met with former Eagles coach Chip Kelly about the head-coaching job.
Good. I would love to see good defenses continue to exploit him. Fuck Chip Kelly.
I thought Chip Deserved another year, outside looking in of course.
That being said now that he’s gone I will have a hard time rooting for him. I still root for Andy in KC but don’t see myself wanting CK to have success … is that weird?
Nope. Not weird at all.
Andy left on good terms after success here. Him finding success in KC meant we were right, he was a good coach burned out in this situation.
Chip left under a cloud. If he succeeds doing the same stuff quickly, it will mean we made a mistake.
Personally, I think he gets a job. Look at the competition. If we had the option to hire the hottest name a from few years ago, who has a winning record and was fired after one losing season where the players didn’t fit together, he would be a popular choice. If it all happened on the other se of the country on a team outside our division, we might not have a lot more detail to go on. I also think Chip does stuff different next time around.
I think the new wave of Chip haters, who recently were Chip shield-bearers (not saying you are this), are weird. Chip didn’t do anything differently; he just got fired. Now we’re going to pin everything on him and change our opinions about everything he did? Chip actually didn’t quit or attempt to sabotage the team; as far as I know, he worked his a$$ off trying to put this thing together. He got pushed out by an owner and his right-hand man. There’s a good chance it was the right decision, but that doesn’t mean I don’t wish him success in the rest of his life.
I’m probably someone who was a Chip “shield bearer” because I believed you needed to give him time to build the program his way – if you weren’t willing to do that, you shouldn’t have hired him in the first place. He was always high-risk, high-reward. I still think he should have been given another year, but I’m willing to admit that I don’t have all the relevant information, and some of the things that have been said by players and the FO have me at least questioning whether there wasn’t a bigger problem there – a “lost the room” issue of some level.
That said, ATG nails the reason why I’m hoping he doesn’t succeed elsewhere. I’m an Eagles fan first, and I’d rather be proven wrong about my faith in Chip than having to watch him establish a dynasty somewhere else after the Eagles blew their chance at it.
Well said, by you and ATG.
I don’t hate Chip, I just don’t want Philadelphia for Chip to be the equivalent to Cleveland for Belichek. That is why I am hoping he doesn’t succeed in the NFL.
After everything that was leaked out, I don’t think he deserved another year. He dug his grave and started burying himself in it.
They need to try and salvage Kap, Chip might be the only man for the job.
Good for Chip… Things really weren’t looking good for him. At least he got an interview
how is that possible? the last report say the 49’s never contacted him.
I’m pulling for Chip to be given time to develop something out in 49er land. Build his 3-4, work to acquire players that fit his offensive scheme, and improve as a coach. I’d like to see the rivalry I hoped would develop between Chip and Carroll (while Chip was here) happen out on the west coast.
This would be the first defensive candidate interviewed. All indications previously pointed to Lurie’s preference to hire an offensive minded coach. Until we get a head coach and staff in place and decide what we are going to do at QB ( Sign Bradford, Franchise tag him or let him walk) the rest of the offseason is on hold. I am looking forward to the draft and potentially filling some holes at guard in Free agency, but we can’t even begin to look at those possibilities until we get a coach, a scheme, a staff and make a decision on Bradford. For us fans all we can do is play the waiting game.
I thought we also was scheduled to interview Teryl Austin?
I know i keep reading that we have an interview scheduled with him this week but have seen no confirmation of it taking place or what day its supposed to take place..
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What coach candidate would shock you the most? I mean someone you would like, not am answer like “my mother?” Shanny? Duce? Saban?
Nick Saban would shock me the most.
I would hate Doug Pederson the most
Schiano
yikes
The barrage of rumors and leaks in this process has my head spinning.
I would like to see the hire made sooner rather than later (relative to other hires) so we can make sure to have pick of the litter for new coordinators, position coaches, and the new hire on the personnel side for the front office.
Then I can get into nit picking, ripping, criticizing, etc. moves in free agency and the draft.
[…] No Coach, Lots of Rumors – Iggles BlitzIn regard to the Eagles strategy of talking to multiple candidates, I think that is smart. If there was one guy who was incredibly compelling and felt like the ideal candidate, you hire him. Anything less than that and I think you are smart to look around and meet with different coaches. The first option isn’t always the best. Andy Reid wasn’t the Eagles first option in 1999. Jim Johnson wasn’t Reid’s first option. I think both moves worked out pretty well. […]
I realize we’re still in “blame everything on Kelly” mode, but what has Stoutland done to impress?
I can’t believe we’re building a head coach search around Roseman.
I imagine in the players exit interviews they gave Stoutland an excellent recommendation to Lurie.
Get over it with Howie, he’s not going anywhere.
Kelce has regressed, they’ve been unable to develop any young players (or stop gap veterans) and Johnson has yet to live up to his potential.
What more do you want from a line coach?
Hmm, maybe see how he does with some guys we actually draft. Something he has done successfully with Johnson. We haven’t draft any other lineman the past 2 years.
Kelce is undersized. You cannot coach size and strength. When Kelce was younger, he was healthy, agile, and eager. The past 2 years his body is breaking down and he is simply being overpowered. I’m sure having substandard guards next to him has hurt as well.
Can’t say whether Johnson has been “coached up” or not.
He looks like he has All-Pro potential but apart from flashed, isn’t close.
Honestly, I’d have shown Stoutland the door first if looking for a sacrificial lamb. Since the team is going into an all-out-overhaul he hasn’t made a compelling case to stick around.
Getting rid of a good coach as a sacrificial lamb? I guess I see you point. That seems logical.
How’s he a “good coach”?
Because he was 4 years ago in college?
If you want to give him a pass for injuries last year, that one pass. But it’s his job to make sure the next man up is ready to play -and they haven’t been.
The OLine was abysmal this year. He’s been unable to develop anyone into even a solid back up.
Sacrifice the coach because you give him only 3 guys that should start in the NFL, 2 of which are injury prone, and a bunch of scrubs to work with. Smart. This is why Cleveland can’t have nice things, btw.
The Browns have had pretty good lines in the last decade. Maybe bring in their coach.
Unless he’s chock full of excuses like Stoutland’s supporters.
The Browns have arguably the best OL in football.
He was given limited talent as free agents. Tell me what free agents they pickup up in the past three years that should have been developed better.
Name the oline draft picks during the past 3 years and tell me how he has not done a good job with them. OK, I’ll make it simple for you…Lane Johnson. That’s the only oline picked in the past three years.
Please, name me the players that had strong potential that he didn’t develop? Try to keep out undrafted players because they have little potential to develop into starting lineman.
So far your reasoning is that Lane Johnson is not an All Pro and Kelce sucked. No need to talk about Peters since he is an Al Pro. Tell me how Tobin and Barbre have underachieved to their potential.
Those sound like excuses.
If he were Dave Fipp all of those “scrubs” would be maulers.
Show Stoutland the door.
lol, you could be a politician with that answer, or should I say lack of answer.
There’s simply no way to defend the Eagles’ O-Line, so I don’t know what to say.
They were terrible from the ground up. That’s on the coaching staff as much as the players.
It’s hard to look at the on field product and say “Stoutland’s a good coach, let’s build around him.”
Did you ever hear the expression you can’t polish a turd?
How about “The buck stops here”?
Has Stoutland shown you anything to suggest he belongs coaching at the NFL level?
It’s his job to prepare his group to play. More often than not they were grossly unprepared. The Head Coach got fired, he should too.
Fipp’s unit is the only one that performed at a respectable level. The DBs were greatly improved, so if anyone gets a pass is Undlin (sp?). You can make all the excuses you want for Stoutland, I’m just not sure why you would. There is absolutely no evidence that he’s a good pro coach.
So you do believe you can polish a turd. I got it now, thx.
Stoutland’s coaching is the “turd” here, right?
Oh Forrest.
You’ve yet to make a case for the guy other than “the players suck!”
Well, it’s his job to make them not suck and his unit has gotten progressively worse in the three years he’s been here.
There is no reason at all to keep him on.
If I were the new coach -and that would be awesome, by the way, Statue of Liberty Play and Flea-Flickers every series -he’s the first guy to go.
I get it. His job is to polish those turds, and by golly, if those steamy, runny, fly-infested turds cannot be polished, then they should find a coach capable of doing it.
Statue of Liberty play…I would love to see that in the pros. Could you imagine the announcers if it worked? Baldinger would be like, “you know, Bert’s Bells has to be the ballsiest coach in the history of the NFL to have the gumption to call that play and the greatest teaching coach ever to have his players successfully perform it.”
That’s what Aikman would say, I can’t imagine the accolades I’d get from Baldy.
And you what else?
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FULLBACK!
Peters isn’t an all pro. He doesn’t deserve to the pro bowl this year let alone all pro.
He was an all pro talent last year, thus he has All Pro talent. I agree he had an injury-riddle bad year for his standards. Still better than all the other lineman not name Lane Johnson.
He’s done. He can maybe play a year at guard becaue he can still run block but he literally can’t stop a speed rush consistently anymore. He’s not that dude anymore. The wheels are off.
What’s gonna happen if somebody says that to him? He told the media nobody (ahem, Lane) is better a LT for them next year….and yesterday on Instagram he posted 4 pictures in a row complaining about not making first team All-Pro hahah it was pretty sad. “Grade the tape” he says….
Kelce isn’t undersized. 6’3 300lbs is pretty typical for an NFL center.
I’d have made the 2013 group good. That doesn’t impress me. Make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
This group was incredibly poorly coached. Run stunts gave them fits repeatedly. They blew mental assignments all year.
was not impressed by stout last year. though someone said he coached power scheme at bama? why have hm coach zone here? or were our guards uncoachable?
Bama ran alot of zone. People think they were a power scheme because they weren’t small athletic OL. You can run zone with bigger guys. Seattle is a zone scheme team.
I don’t think it’s being built “around Roseman.” It’s being built around an organizational model, and Roseman happens to be one of the pieces in the organization. I actually like it, because hopefully it means that when this coach inevitably asks for full control, Lurie simply says “no.” I’d rather try emulating the Steelers’ and Ravens’ model instead of the Patriots’. Roseman’s not a perfect GM (he’s not even really one, but he’s going to ultimately be the guy whose job is closest to that), but his track record is better than his haters make it out to be. When he has a stable, sane coach to work with, he gets the coach what he wants. Doesn’t always work out, but that’s true of every GM. If they can get a better guy, I’m all for it, but I’m not seeing too many available options that I would consider better, overall.
I am starting to get sick of these rumors about coaches not wanting to work with Roseman. That is just not a good deal, no other way to spin it. I have no other opinion about Roseman besides his mixed and nebulous personnel record.
Stout made a bunch of nobodies into a decent line two years in a row. With tons of injuries both years.
3 members of line have been to pro bowl.
The other 2 shouldn’t be starters.
Bunch of nobodies? All 5 of those guys had creds going into 2013.
I really don’t get how Pederson is in the conversation for a HC job. I know, I know, Reid 1999, John Harbaugh, Tomlin – they didn’t have a compelling CV and turned out to be good (I would call Reid and Harbaugh even great) HCs. But giving the keys to someone with no CV doesn’t guarentee you any success, either. Look at Pettine, Chudzinski, Tomsula – there are probably many others, too, those are just from the top of my head.
Now, Pederson could interview well, present a great vision for this team, get the job, maybe even be good at it. Who knows? But seriously, what in his CV tells you that a interview would be a good idea?
And that biggest question for me: how in the world can he be a “leading candidate” (who knows if that’s true) PRE-interview? Of course Lurie knows him personally, but damn it, he was a QB coach here for 2 years – during a time where we didn’t exactly saw great QB play, to put it mildly. Even if you think he’s bright and all that, HC kind of is a big deal. Maybe he should start by, let’s say, being responsible for the Offense (not helping Andy with his offense). Or, crazy idea, call the Offense. At the very least, with his lack of experience, he should be part of a juggernaut offense, not this middle of the pack Chiefs offense.
I wouldn’t be fan of Marrone or Schwartz, f.e., but Pederson would be a real epic downer for me. Chip sure had his mistakes, no doubt. But Pederson as replacement for Chip would be like Tomsula replacing Jim Harbaugh. Who was a winning coach who was fired because of problems with his personality, too. With Tomsula, they wanted to bring in a players coach who understands and connects to the players. Turned out great…
And I think, even though nobody can be sure of that until you see it, it would end like the Tomsula “era” in San Fran. History could repeat itself in one year.
Could not agree more. With all of the rumors swirling around I have yet to hear one reason why he’s a leading candidate besides working for Andy and being familiar with the Eagles organization. Of course we’re not in the interview room and we won’t really know until January 2017, but he is not a compelling candidate at all to us outsiders.
I think our collective fear is that we botch this hire and join the Browns/Lions on the coaching carousel. Lurie’s playing the high stakes poker game of an NFL owner. He went all in on Chip and got burned. Let’s not start making safe bets now or we’ll never get our, um…chips back.
Andy and Lurie had a very long relationship that I’m sure continues today, albeit in a different manner. Maybe, just maybe, Lurie places high value on Andy’s opinion of Doug. That should not be discounted. It’s one thing when players feel a coach is ready to be a head coach, it’s another thing entirely when a guy with close to 20 years as a head coach tells you that Doug is ready to take the step forward. Remember, we’re talking about meticulous Andy here.
People are too hung up on how successful a guy coached his position group or offensive/defensive unit. Think of Jimmy Johnson at Dallas, or heck, even James Franklin at Penn State. They were/are defacto general managers rather than coaches. I’d like to see a guy hired who can lead the team, which doesn’t necessarily mean he needs to call plays on offense or defense.
Thing is that the skills of a good Head coach are so specific, and not always evident at the coordinator and position coach level.
Pederson has been in the Eagles building and they have worked with him extensively as a player and coach. If they judge him to have the kind of skills and leadership to be successful head coach then i will ride with him.
This is a rational, balanced way to look at it. Makes sense.
Unfortunately, the non-Vulcan side of my brain would still hate it.
No idea if PEterson can be a great HEADCoach or a bad one, but he is probably the hardest name to sell to the fan base….
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I get it that we don’t want to go for the sexy hire again after chip debacle, but to we really have to go to the opposite extreme and hire the least sexy candidate immaginable?
Let’s not forget Andy Reid was just a QB coach having never even been an off. or def. coordinator in the past when Jeffery Lurie Hired him. I read that AR has been pushing Pederson onto Lurie as well. Pederson could be an AR clone which deep down is what Lurie really wants. This is why I believe he is high on the Eagles list.
There are so many great assistants out there, why u do we have to settle for like the 7th coach to come from the andy Reid coaching tree?
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I hate this default to familiarity, fire chip, immediately run back to Howie, and now what, run back to the Andy coaching Tree? For what? Stale poïnt of view from people training under guys who ciuodnt get the job done before?
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This fear of a fresh voice, fresh set of eyes, that Lurie is exhibiting is getting on my nerves,,, hopefully this is all incorrect info from the media and Lurie has the Balls to hire the BEST candidate, not the most familiar candidate
Do Pederson comes with a borderline HoF QB and a great DC?
I didn’t forget ARs CV, which is why I mentioned it. Still, I see no rational reason how Pederson can be a leading candidate before he interviewed. I would be really, really surprised if Reid, Harbaugh or Tomlin were leading candidated before their interviews. They nailed their interviews, obviously, maybe Pederson can do the same. But before he spoke with Lurie about his vision, there is basically nothing to like about him, imo.
The more I read about Gase, the more I like him. My initial desire for Payton or David Shaw holds true, but none of those are going to leave their current jobs, and Gase has firmly cemented him as my no. 2 target.
Wow!! BREAKING NEWS.. Billy Davis is the new coach of the Philadelphia Eagles…. 😉
Would love it lol… the epic melt down that would be eagles social media. To be honest he is a great speaker and pretty charismatic so i think he could not entirely suck if he had good coordinators and delegated well.
Certainly be fun to watch this city Riot..
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Not sure if the city would hate Billy or Doug Peterson being hired more?
Billy by a 1000 miles. Doug is unknown, Billy’s defense has given up record numbers of yards and points. And initially was blamed when saint Chip could not key games in his first 2 years.
Funny we are thinking alike this morning. I was thinking a talented troll would pitch this angle not whatever so and so’s been saying.
: Billy Davis shut out Eli and Odell! The interview with Mcadoo was really just to hear how impressed he was with Billy Davis historic defense…
Sigh
Cruel.
You forgot to add ‘of Pee-Wee League’ to the end. Curious to see if he go back to being a LB/defensive assistant or he ends up going to college.
I don’t believe Jon Gruden would take this job and put him in Direct competition with his brother….. Why would we want a coach who spent last summer tutoring Kirk Cousins to circumvent League rules that limited how much Jay Gruden could work with Cousins during the offseason? No thanks to chucky..
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No thanks to Cowher, COUGHLIN, Billick or any of the retreads
“I don’t believe Jon Gruden would take this job and put him in Direct competition with his brother.”
That makes no sense.
There are lots of reasons Gruden wouldn’t take the job, but “not competing against his brother” probably isn’t one.
Why pushing the panic button because the Eagles haven’t hired a new HC yet?!
Last time I checked all 7 teams with vacancies at the top are still looking for their new guy.
R-E-L-A-X
I think the real question is why are you not panicking?
Miami has all but locked Gase in their basement, and we are interviewing Doug Pederson who has been coaching under Andy Reid, it is literally a sign of the apocalypse.
Ha, well played sir.
I was reading on Twitter, to be honest a little bit scared, after Gase meeting with the Dolphins took so long. But there are no news, so I think he left. Which means I hope he interviews the 2nd time with us this weekend and we just hire him, letting all of this Pedersons nonsense go away.
Having no coach feels like our ship lost it’s engine, rudder, and radio. Some passer-byes assure us they’ll go to port and get us new ones. And while we could kick back like it’s a pleasure cruise with full faith in the passer-bye and be happier for it, a lot of us can’t kick the feeling that we’re lost at sea while we wait.
RE: The Coaching Search
Who cares? Last time, we got the most interesting and highest-ceiling (we thought) hire, but it didn’t work out. None of the current candidates are compelling. It’s like a team that gave away their 1st and 2nd round draft picks, and we’re on the 3rd round now. It’s like we’re in a bar in a mining town in Alaska, and the main thing we’re doing is seeing which girl has the most teeth.
Whatever happens with whatever dude we hire, it won’t be as fun as opening day 2013. It’ll be a bit like when Cleveland or Detroit gets a new coach. You hardly even notice him until he’s getting fired!
I get the feeling we’ll notice him…we don’t lack for scrutiny around here.
OT: Damn, the Spurs are really good!
Their old players are still getting it done, and the 2nd wave is coming on strong. Aldridge is integrating nicely into the system. They seem to have hit on a couple of diamonds in the rough with their FA as well. Just crazy! They are blowing out most of the bad teams they play. They may actually have a solid shot at kicking Golden State’s a$$ if all goes well.
Best scoring margin through 37 games, NBA history:
2015-16 Spurs +526
1971-72 Lakers +516
1971-72 Bucks +493
ESPN
So far – the only facts we know: CK was fired. Some coaches interviewed. That is all.
Best summary in the whole week! Thank you.
I thought this article talking about the Browns hire and quotes from Joe Banner was interesting:
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/1/7/10733892/former-browns-ceo-joe-banner-discusses-analytics-acquiring-draft
Wow, that is interesting. Chip Kelly seems like the kind of coach that would be interested in analytics. Maybe he ends up there after all…
Chip Kelly was one of those coaches who was obsessed with arm length, not analytics.
But very cool find, RobNE.
i think he’s proof that there’s more to football than analytics, although he did have a pretty good draft last year.
That is a wise perspective taken by Banner, I think. When he was here, he seemed to follow a fairly conservative FO approach, signing reliable vets, drafting safe LOS players in early rounds often, and Eagles were in this playoff-ready mode for like 6 years running. They had a pretty good QB, and a pretty good HC, and a brilliant DC, but they also had 2nd tier receivers, a non-threatening pass rush which required many and frequent blitz packages, and they proved to be perennial Division winners and perennial Conference also-rans. The whole rationale for hiring Kelly in 2012, and then empowering him in 2014 was, as Jeff Lurie put it, “To try to go from good to great.”
If Cleveland has decided to put their money and energies into building a strong FO, it seems to me that HC hire has to be somebody willing to accept that deal, and like the man said, it probably will need to be somebody who is not a hot item.
Contrast this with Jeff Lurie who, apparently wants his FO to be pretty much as it was before Kelly mutinied, and he wants to leave no stone unturned to land the right coach. So Howie stands ready to provide the new hire with the types of players requested, and to meet any and all “reasonable” requests. So the look of the team will become the look that the new hire likes, and Howie will run the draft, enlisting the recommendations of his scouts, and the demands of the HC. If the Eagles win the Division under new HC, HC will become de facto GM, with final word on roster, FA acquisitions, and draft picks. Howie will handle cap, contracts and arranging golfing outings with Jeff Lurie. Jeff Lurie seems to want an impotent FO, and damn the coach who tries to change it.
it’s like the Browns are looking for their Joe Maddon.
If Pat Shurmur is a serious candidate for HC of the Eagles, wouldn’t it make more sense to try to find a high end defensive minded coach to become the HC and keep Pat as your OC?
A new HC is going to want his own OC/DC
Can’t we just let him pick his own AC/DC album and call it a day? I’m trying to maximize value here.
Kind of sucks we aren’t hearing any Hue Jackson stuff. The more I think about it the more I like him. I personally am leaning toward a second time HC, and I feel like he is the best of that group.
He’s one of the few retreads I’m up for.
McAdoo (38) and Gase (37) would be the youngest HC in the NFL.
Unless they both get jobs, then just Gase!
Doing due diligence is great and all, but it reminds me of another coaching search from recent memory.
A few years ago the Redskins were dealing with the second Joe Gibbs retirement and using him in an advisory role. Dan Snyder, Vinny Cerrato and Joe Gibbs were heading up the coaching search. They needed a coach that would be willing to work with their power structure in place. Hey interviewed a bunch of candidates, and took their time.
As they waited for guys in the playoffs and vetted all options, slowly the good candidates found jobs. After waiting for a guy (don’t recall who) for a few weeks in play offs, and he turned them down, they were left with one candidate still on the board…. Jim Zorn.
Not saying the situations are identical, but I can’t help but to be reminded of that.
not only are they not identical, but not even one team has filled an empty HC position. Not one candidate that we interviewed or want to interview has been hired. Maybe save this and repost in a week.
Sorry I’m just reminded of it. As a fan of two bird teams, that are sort of trying to get things done but have yet to get them done, Im just nervous!
are the Eagles interviewing anyone today, or no one until Pederson on Sunday.
There have been reports that they were going to interview Teryl Austin but no media member has been able to say a definite date when that interview was going to take place.
You know how you’re watching YouTube and then you see the recommended videos… Classic!
https://youtu.be/VDTKfhGYwrU
I miss having a dynamic offense.
What you’re really saying is, “I miss having dynamic offensive players.”
5 years ago but it seems a lot longer than that.
That game was like the bright flash of the filament in a light bulb that’s about to fail.
Yeah and that season ended with a real down note too. Blew their final 2 game to lose their chance at a bye (infamous Joe Webb game) & lost a winnable game off game at home vs Packers.
If the Eagles had gotten a bye that year, I felt pretty good about their chances to make the Super Bowl given the so-so playoff teams in the NFC.
I was at both those games. I had the Fan Zone ticket package that year. I remember watching Webb scramble all over us. McDerment was the DC; Big Red was furious.
I have flashbacks from the Green Bay game of Aaron Rodgers sauntering down the field after completing pass after pass. And thinking “what’s the hurry?” as Vick threw that final interception in the end zone. Those last couple games were a blur.
Yeah. Really this decade has been pretty damn crappy. No playoff wins yet and home in Jan for 4 of the last 5 Januaries.
ah the young Jason peters
I might have missed this, wasn’t there an announcement a week or so ago stating that Howie would NOT be named GM, Donahoe was interim, and a search was on for a new head of personnel? as I dreaming that?
It’s titles. Howie is the GM as he has final say in a collaborative effort. Donahue and his replacement will act as head scout.
My impression was that the collaboration was between HR and new HC, with Jeff Lurie making the final decisions.
They report to Lurie. Jeff isn’t making personnel decisions.
Lurie said that Roseman would have a voice in player personnel and that Donahoe was directing the personnel department. He indicated they wouldn’t name a GM in title. He didn’t say that Donahoe’s gig was temporary, but multiple media guys later reported that it was an interim gig for Donahoe and the search was on for a new personnel director.
Let me translate — nobody wants him.
Re: TB GM Jason Licht on Power over Personnel
At yesterday’s press conference following Lovie Smith’s firing, Licht talked about control over personnel.
(Full transcript here.
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/sports/article.html/content/news/articles/bhsn/2016/1/7/bucs_gm_jason_licht_.html#transcript)
As I read Licht’s answer, I couldn’t help but think of what was discussed between Lurie, Roseman, and Kelly before his hiring, his accrual of power last January, his remark, when asked about Marcus Smith II, that “I didn’t have final say on the draft” . . . and Lurie’s recent press conference:
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I’ve never been one – and this is my philosophy and personality as a general manager – the power thing gets a little bit overblow.
Who has what – you work collectively.
You can’t force-feed a coach a player.
I do have the power of the 53[-man roster] . . . .
What kind of power they [the new coach] get, what kind of tweaks we have to make, it doesn’t matter. I want the best football coach.
You want a good working relationship with the coach.
It doesn’t necessarily mean you are the best of friends, but you just want a good solid relationship.
Whoever has the power has the power, but together you’re going to make decisions.
“Whoever has the power has the power, but together you’re going to make decisions.” Collaboration defined.
Elementary schools work really hard to teach kids how to work together these days. Despite this fact, my daughter is currently doing an in-class group work assignment where they are trying to build “a hovercraft.” And one of the girls in her group is sucking the life out of everyone else with blow hard ego tripping.
I’ve read/heard in a few different places that a person’s personality is pretty close to set in stone by age 7.
Are these “men” acting childish, or is it just a wee bit harder to find extremely driven people who are willing to accept other people as their equal?
probably a lot of truth to that
Related note: A wise man accepts wise counsel.
This may have been Andy Reid’s greatest strength in his early years, and may also have led to his fall from grace when his talent pool of good coaching candidates started to dry up and he invited Jim Washburn into the fold.
great anecdote.
better question.
Thanks
Later part especially when you have a younger GM who has climbed pretty rapidly in the organization but has no accolades or hardware.
That is really surprising. I would have thought a blow hard would be an asset to a hovercraft team.
LOL!
Power is sweet. People who get it very rarely give it up of their own accord. One reason George Washington is so famous!
This is what I was afraid of from Lurie. I think it is an over-reaction to Chip’s tenure and a mistake to put Roseman back in full charge of personnel and look to hire a HC who will “play nice” with Roseman i.e. not challenge the status quo or request more control in order to achieve the mission of building a SB winner.
To me, the problems were not that Chip requested more control and did not get along with Roseman. The problems were the conflict became personal between the two of them i.e. neither handled it professionally, Lurie did not resolve it by decisively choosing between the two and then Chip’s decisions were bad enough to set the team back.
I continue to believe it would have been much smarter to conclude from Chip’s tenure that Lurie, Roseman and Smolenski should not be the ones hiring the HC and that a legit proven GM is needed from outside the organization is needed to run the football operations, hire the HC, have final say on personnel etc. The HC and GM will work together to build a sustainable winning program that can challenge consistently for a SB ring. Lurie is an owner and should stay out after hiring the GM. Roseman should focus on contracts/cap issues and work with the GM on that front. Smolenski should continue to focus on the business side as President.
There’s something to be said to how the Packers operate.
A publicly owned team with a board of directors who select a CEO — who in turn chooses the GM.
And the GM calls the football shots without any interference from ownership.
While the ownership is a moot point, wouldn’t it be a step in the right direction to try and achieve the stability that Packer hierarchical model features? It necessitates a detached owner, which I used to think Lurie is, AND it suggests a GM responsible for the personnel, FA, draft, but it doesn’t mean he does it alone. Green Bay has been poached for talent evaluators all over the NFL, and that is a by-product of stability. I would love to see Lurie go after a promising talent evaluator BEFORE he hears what his HC wants.
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Other organizations operate similarly without of course the publicly owned team part. Successful organizations like the Steelers, Packers, Seahawks etc. all have some type of GM – HC structure responsible for football operations in a collaborative manner. The owner/senior mgmt hire the GM who then hires the HC etc.
For some reason, Lurie has avoided having a GM during most of his ownership tenure. Modrak was close, but then Reid got full control, then Roseman for a short period, then Chip got full control and now Lurie is planning to move forward without a GM again. I’m not sure what the issue is that Lurie has with a GM – HC structure, but it does appear to be purposeful avoidance on his part.
Pack might have too much stability, probably should have moved on from their coach, and maybe their GM?
What happens to Pack’s profits, salaries or does it go in city’s general fund?
McCarthy was one block from taking the Packers to the SB last season. Conservative play-calling aside, if TE Brandon Bostick does was he was coached to do, is McCarthy’s status in question? [Plus 6 division titles in 8 years, only 1 sub-.500 season.]
Regarding profits, the Packers are a “non-profit” entity. My understanding of the IRS code is that, as a non-profit, the Packers are not subject to federal taxes (and I assume state taxes) on any profits from activities “related” to the organization’s purpose — which I assume is all Packer profits, or so their tax attorney argues.
The profits are plowed back into the organization — available to pay operating expenses, purchase assets, and the like.
But the profits cannot be distributed to shareholders — not without losing non-profit status.
you say this like Bostick is 100% at fault and McCarthy 0% for that loss. C’mon McCarthy had a terrible, horrible no good day.
RobNE:
All I pointed out was that if Bostick does what he’s coached to do on 1 play, the Packers win.
Before saying that, however, I acknowledged McCarthy’s play calling as a problem (not expressly, but implicitly).
If that wasn’t clear enough, I apologize.
ACV, you were clear.
HA! I hold no ill grudge about the Lombardi comment. My remaining hope for the playoffs is that the Pats don’t win again [he said quietly, looking over his shoulder]
I just thought McCarthy did such a terrible job, and is over rated and should be challenging for more titles during Rodgers’ prime, that I wanted to defend Bostick. I also remember McCarthy scapegoating Bostick which also bothered me.
RobNE . . .
Haha. Ok. Just wanna be on the same page.
Yes, McCarthy had that game won last year. (Pulled an Andy Reid v. Tampa Bay 2002.)
What I was trying to say, poorly, was if Bostick made that play, Green Bay goes to the Super Bowl — and maybe that question’s not asked about McCarthy.
I see where you’re going about McC.
He’s done OK, not great with Rodgers in the post-season.
That’s hard to argue against.
Is that what the fans in GB are expressing?
If players on eagles made plays we’d be in playoffs
Do you know if the Packers have an annual meeting open to all shareholders?
Yes. They do.
http://www.packers.com/community/shareholders.html
Very cool. Can you imagine the Eagles doing such a thing? What a meeting that would be!
” legit proven GM is needed from outside the organization is needed to run the football operations”
I didn’t know any of those were available. BTW, who is Lurie supposed to hire to pick the legit proven GM, if available, because I’m assuming you don’t think Lurie, Howie and Don are capable of picking a legit proven GM.
.Therein lies another problem, who should pick the person or team of people who should be picking the legit proven GM, because I’m assuming you don’t think Lurie, Howie, and Don are capable of picking the person or team who would be picking the proven legit GM.
My head is starting to hurt as I see this is a perpetual problem.
I think the simplest solution is for Lurie to sell the team to a legit proven owner…
As I said in my post, Lurie would be in charge of the process of hiring the GM. It is a football position, but mostly a management position and that fits more into Lurie’s skill set. Smolenski and other senior mgmt folks could help out with that process.
A HC is much more of a football position and thus I would want the GM to make that hire instead of Lurie & Co. I realize the “legit proven” bar may be too high in this process, but looking at successful teams like the Steelers, Seahawks, Packers etc. having a GM run things is hardly revolutionary and can be very effective.
Ah, the old chicken and egg argument. I’m of the mindset that the Steelers, Seahawks, and Packers have successful teams because they have franchise QBs, while you seem to believe they have franchise QBs because they have successful GMs.
Well, who picked those franchise QB? You guessed it, the current GMs. I think having the ownership and front office right are the critical priorities and those decisions set the stage for having successful teams.
Lurie is a good owner, but the front office mix on the football side IMO is not up to par with those other organizations.
Schneider has been the Seattle GM since 2009, Newsome the Ravens since 2002, Colbert the Steelers since 2000 and Thompson the Packers since 2005. Longevity, stability and the patience to fully implement strategic plans and execute them seems to be an important component as well.
How long does a coach / gm get?
There are a ton of variables obviously within each organizational situation, but I’d think a GM should get at least 5 years to implement his strategic plan for football operations and for some results to be generated.
IMV the plan encompasses everything from finding the right HC to talent evaluation to talent acquisition to talent development to talent retention etc. depending again on the state of the franchise when the GM takes over.
A HC has a shorter time frame to prove his worth IMV especially if the GM inherited that HC. Naturally, the GM will want to bring in their own guy at some point. Once that happens, I think the GM and HC are joined and share fates, but I think 3 years is the baseline. It may, like with Reid here, be obvious sooner than 3 years that the HC is the guy, but the team will want an escape plan if its obvious he is not too like Chip.
It’s not like Howie is going to tell the new coach “sorry but we don’t want that player”. Howie is there to facilitate player acquisition, help with draft valuation and player valuation, and finally, to make contracts. He’s great at that. What are people missing?
Chip’s issue that howie created the pool of players from which he could pick on draft day. Chip didn’t like the “pool of players”. Sometimes you can force someone’s hand by not giving them good options.
That’s more on the scouting staff than on Howie’s desk. I really do think that all of this information out there is completely biased against Howie.
I actually think it’s the opposite in some respects. By having such stringent standards as far as character and for physical dimensions, Chip himself limited the talent pool from which Roseman and the scouting staff could pick from. When you allow yourself so little flexibility, you’re at a disadvantage from the outset. As coaches have gained more and more power throughout the league, it’s become accepted that it’s the job of the personnel guy to find players that meets the coaches’ demands. I think you have to look for a coach that is scheme-flexible and personality-flexible enough to maximize the talents of the players the GM gives him and then the overall talent level on the team can be maximized to the best of the GM’s ability. Now if the GM doesn’t do well enough in increasing the talent level on the team, then you fire him, To limit his abilities to do his job based on the whims of a HC who only participates in the draft process in the last few months of the calendar is a recipe for failure.
How do we know? We had reports that Roseman vetoed Chip on a number of draft decisions and it is logical to surmise those issues helped lead to the personal feud between the two and Chip’s power play along with his demise. To think that Roseman was supporting Chip all the way last year is a joke IMO.
All we know is it has been reported that Roseman will have final say over personnel again and that the new HC will need to “play nice” with Roseman whatever that means. To me, it means a neutered HC who cannot really challenge Roseman and will need to work with what he is given in the end.
Sure, they will collaborate and work together as best they can, but it will really be on Roseman to give at times and let the HC have more input. I do not see much evidence Roseman is great at giving up power or making the HC feel like he has real input.
Someone on this board told me the other day that no power struggle ever existed and that there would be no overreaction. The simple question is – why go down that road again of a “strong” willed HC. HR will not do that for a second time – meaning, I agree with you.
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We like to believe people view every situation without bias after a big event(whatever that event may be) – but this world isn’t sunny and 80 with unicorns flying around. Human nature always dictates(well, besides money). Decisions are made off of emotions.
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This isn’t to say HR will make a wrong decision, it’s simply saying his “pool” of suggestions as candidates will not include CK’onians. It’s only natural.
“this world isn’t sunny and 80 with unicorns flying around” — you gotta spend more time in cali.
I just don’t like that he just gave the job to HOWIE right away..
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if it were up to me, I would have had Roseman interview for the Job, lay out a plan showing what he would do different given another opportunity. Then whether I loved Howies interview or Hated it, I would want to interview 4 or 5 qualified candidates that I wasn’t too familiar with, and after interviewing 5 outside Candidates and Roseman, if I still believe that ROSEMAN is the best man for this job, then I would 100% support Lurie’s decsion to put ROSEMAN back in Power.
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The Truth is that ROSEMAN isnt a terrible GM. He brings a lot of ability to our GM position in certain areas, but if we are being honest, he hasn’t been a terrible GM for Us, but he also hasnt done such a great job that putting him back into power should be this no BRAINER that we don’t even have to try to see if we can uncover a more qualified candidate.
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I probably like ROSEMAN more than it sounds like it from my posts. I just really hate the process we went about to get back to this position where howie is back in power. How can you not interview anyone and see if you can uncover an upgrade who may be able to do an even better job than Howie? Really stinks that LURIE is SETTLING for HOwie without even trying to find better
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Allegedly we are going to hire someone with a fresh perspective from outside,the Organization to fill the role that Marynowtz filled in 2014, and Gamble held in 2013, who will be answering to ROSEMAN. This means we won’t be able to attract the very best GM candidates who have the cache to get a real GM job in the next year or two, instead of accepting a job being 2nd in command to ROSEMAN..
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Still, I hope this new fresh pair of eyes is able to work well with ROSEMAN, and hopefully the man we hire will prove to be a big asset that we want in this organization Longterm…my Complaint is, I wish we would stop operating backwards, and Hire our Front Office personnel, and then add his fresh perspective to the coaching search. Could use an outsider opinion to add to the search committee that hired chip kelly which ended up being a failure
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Was looking at Football Outsider’s final stats for QBs.
There have been changes. In DYAR, their volume production metric, Peyton Manning is in Siberia (ranked 36th). Aaron Rodgers is in, well not Siberia, maybe Iowa or something (17th). Palmer has rocketed up to 1st! Brady, Wilson, Big Ben, Brees, Rivers, are up there as expected.
WTF Kirk Cousins is ranked 7th!
What does it all mean? After all, he sucks, right? Well, last year he ranked 15th by DVOA, an efficiency metric. The year before, 45th! It may be interesting that in 2012, he put up a quarterback rating of 101.6 in limited action. This year, he put up a quarterback rating of 101.6 in 16 games.
How did he do it? By the numbers, he didn’t miss much. 70% completions. He threw very few interceptions, 2%. He threw 29 TDs. Y/A 7.7, a decentish number. Digging a little deeper, he increased his Comp% by 8% while losing .6 on Y/A. So it seems he played more conservatively this year, to his benefit. His TD% was lower, but his interception rate was less that half of what it was last year.
Are we looking at a natural progression or an anomaly? He showed some initial signs of brilliance, but did not light the world on fire as he got a chance to start last year. This year, he has improved in most statistical areas as he has played a full season. Nothing is outlandish like Nick Foles’ 0.6% interception% in 2013 or 9.1 Y/A or 119 rating. Nor is he relying on a juggernaut of talent or a scheme taking the league by surprise.
It appears–and I know I am late to the party here–that he is a pretty decent QB and getting some help in order to perform at this level.
It seems possible that Sam Bradford, if given plenty of help, could possibly be as good as Kirk Cousins. SB is better than most backup QBs and definitely better than a rookie or free agent scrub. However, he is no spring chicken, has a remarkably bad history of health issues, an inability to consistently challenge teams deep due to temperament or habit, and will most likely be expensive enough to significantly handicap the team. Nor is he good enough to overlook these issues. I don’t think this team is just a new scheme and a more approachable head coach away from making any noise in the playoffs. Bradford would need a lot of help to do any damage, and his presence makes it more difficult to accomplish it. I think they would be better off drafting a QB, maybe bringing in a new free agent QB or two, just churn and try to strike gold. Hinkie-ish, perhaps, but given the state of the talent on the team, maybe it’d be better to take the medicine instead of chasing false hope.
“I don’t think this team is just a new scheme and a more approachable head coach away from making any noise in the playoffs. ”
Call me an optimist, but I do.
Me, too.
I think they can win the division and even a playoff game or two, but I wouldn’t consider them a Super Bowl contender.
I think this is a fair estimate. Certainly would be a huge improvement over this season.
If the Eagles are not in contention of winning this piss poor division next season we will have serious issues.
I am interested to hear your take on this. How good do you think they could be next year? Do you feel they could pass up Seattle, Arizona, or Carolina? Because that’s what we’re talking about, I think. Beating off WAS or MIN doesn’t mean much IMO. Remember, too that this is a down year for our division and when Romo comes back, DAL could very well be playoff worthy.
What is it about this team that could become a strength we can rely on? We have no OL and the WR are a liability. RB perhaps above average, but nothing special. Defense could probably be top-10 if the linebackers got an instinct transplant. If Bradford is ever more than a competent cog, it would be a remarkable and nearly unprecedented transformation. Seems to me getting a wholesome rebuilding plan would be higher %.
There’s enough talent on the roster, just need a quality coach and probably a coupe of years of continuity. guys have to play together, know each other, etc.
COusins
Scroll down and view the numbers before and after djax. I think there’s also a heavy correlation between Cousin’s numbers and jordan reid being healthy, i also think skins had a rather cake schedule this year.
All of that said, i think Kurt is better than we thought, but i do think next year we’ll really start to tell if he’s the man or Foles 2.0.
Bradford’s numbers have to be read in the context of the team and his injuries. That’s why i think it’s hard to go by analytics / statistics on their own. Bradford has to be evaluated in terms of (a) new scheme (Kurt has been with Gruden 2 years and that team of players 4), (b) drops, (c) generally poor receiving talent (d) the fact that he hasn’t played ball in like 2 years, and (e) our terrible OL. Seeing Sam’s progress from the beginning of the season to the end i think you have to keep him. Despite getting crushed every game sammy b continued to stand in the pock and drop bombs. We’ve talked a lot about “stability” in this thread i think you have to pay him and continue. Look at Romo it took him a while to get in his groove, but he’s not one of the best QBs in the league when healthy.
Look at young QBs that are successful, they have studs at WR OR a run game that means they don’t have to throw a lot (Bridgewater / Winston).
I’m not against trying to draft, i thought lats year would have been good for that (Hundley) but who do you see this year that’s good? Do you want to go the Hoyer, RGIII, Manziel, Keap rout? Gross? We aren’t picking high enough to get a blue chip guy like Goff, plus you’re going to put them on a team with limited weapons – could ruin them.
It does seem that things were a bit favorable for Cousins. Had some weapons and things that went his way. I was trying to show in my post that his progression has been gradual, not meteoric like Foles’.
As far as Bradford vs Tony, I don’t think that works. Look at Tony’s stats.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00.htm
There is no time in that long career, with a variety of different players around him, that he was not far better than Sam Bradford. He had some bad things happen to him in the playoffs, so I think people ignored his great performance. Small sample size.
People are looking at Carson Palmer. Let’s not forget he played great his first full season, followed by many years of decent play for bad teams.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PalmCa00.htm
I think people are overestimating what getting Sam some help will do to his performance. It is not a small jump we are looking for here.
Exactly about Palmer
What’d you think of his final 8 games? To me, it’s hard to judge a QB after one year in a system. Which sucks for us b/c you’ve got to pay, but i think you have to pay and build around him.
Subjectively, I thought Sam really looked good. Gutsy, nice arm, some sweet plays, nice pocket movement. But I know very clearly that I am not an evaluator of QB talent. To be honest, how many of us really are? That is why I like to look at numbers. 10 people can see something and recount it 10 different ways. At least with numbers, there is something objective there.
We look at the numbers and Sam looked pretty good in the 2nd half of the season, but his QB rating during that time would actually only put him at about 15th in the league. What it is is grade inflation due to passing rule changes… this 90 QB rating was once good but is now just average.
Keep in mind it was not exactly murderer’s row we were on: only NE and ARI were above average D’s, and he didn’t do anything against either. And half of it seemed to be in trash time. Finally, we like to see trends, patterns, progressions, but do they really mean anything? It makes sense that the final 8 games of a season are more important than the first 8, but is there evidence that it’s really the case? For example, Aaron at Football Outsiders noted that using weighted DVOA (takes into account more recent games) is _not_ more predictive than total DVOA (the whole season). Weird, huh?
So maybe we are falling prey to low expectations here. Or maybe Sam is just kind of a coach killer, always teasing with his potential, always getting the benefit of the doubt because of his arm and #1 overall pick status, but never really going to live up to it. Anyway, it could go either way, I guess. I do tend to favor rebuilding vs retooling if the core talent is not there.
The Honey Badger:
1st team AP All Pro Safety.
Bow down.
Bow down why?
For my man crush and because he was drafted in the 3rd round while the Eagles had a chance on him!!!
That’s acceptable to have a man crush on him, but I highly doubt Eagles fans will bow down to him. Even though the best safety in the league this year was robbed, Malcolm Jenkins, I would of accepted bowing down to him.
So rude. 😉
Honey badgers are about the size of squirrels.
Was there any chance in 2013 that Mathieu could have been drafted by the Eagles? Doesn’t seem so.
Kelly wanted bigger players. TM’s only 5’9″ 190lbs.
To paraphrase Kelly, if you start adding undersized players with big-play potential to your roster, pretty you soon you have a roster full of undersized players making big plays.
Also . . . Kelly wanted guys who fit his (still not fully defined) “culture.”
Mathieu had the drug issues — which may have had him X’d anyway, even if Ray Rhodes was still coaching here. And Rhodes knew DBs!
Final note. The Eagles chose Benny Logan 2 picks ahead of Mathieu’s selection by the Cards.
But for Mathieu’s drug problem, would have slid that far?
And if he’ on your board, even downgraded, do you chose a potential game-changer at Safety or a very good swing D-linemen?
F Kelly. F measurements. I really hope our new HC will go with football skills and instincts.
I agree with Chip… but i think you can have 1 guy who is undersized… and Honey Badger is the perfect example of that. Issue he had was his weed issues, he could easily have turned into a guy facing full year suspensions.
Kelly would hand the “Give a Mouse a Cookie” book and tell you he subscribes to the rule, don’t make exceptions.
Or give a cat a cupcake. Or give a mouse an iPhone. All good books.
I do believe that Charechter is important, and I like not seeing a bunch of Eagles getting arrested and suspended each summer, but Chip took the Charechter requirements too far..
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I hope the next coach doesn’t believe in puttimg up with Greg Hardy’s and other scumbags with serious red flags, but I hope he is more tolerant than Chip, I hope he can handle players better than Chip, and that he doesn’t remove every kid who has made a questionable decision from our draft board.
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For example, everyone raves over Marcus Peters these days, but it was never a,secret that he was the most special Corner in college last year, Andy Reid, the Father figure, has been able to draft kids with some issues, and for the most part kept them out of trouble…chip took a chance on Desean, handled him well for the most part, yet chip Felt we were better off getting rid of DEsean for nothing in return, coming off Deseans best season..
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Would chip have allowed us to Draft Marcus Peters if he fell to us last year?
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There is a difference between low charechter scumbags, and boisterous pro athletes. It’s one thing to have a coach who won’t tolerate GREG Hardy scumbags, but a pro coach has to be able to work with guys like Desean…
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I hope the next coach Knows how to coexist and get the best out of professional Star players and is way more tolerant of different personalities and allow players to be themselves, which many players have accused Chip kelly of lacking.
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I believe in the importance of A strong Culture and strong CHARECHTER, but like most things, chip took it to an extreme and it hurt us…. IMO most of Chips flaws come from a lack of Balance, and a lack of versatility. Too many EXTREMES..
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You can’t treat Desean Jackson, and Shady McCoy as if they are Terrell Owens.. I don’t care to defend shady or Desean, but the next coach needs to be more tolerant…
It just goes to show you how important a stable organization and environment means to some players. Mathieu had the support from the day he was drafted and now it’s paying off for the Cardinals. Chip would have never done this and that’s why the talent level of the team isn’t what it used to be.
Well, you can’t bring TM into a lockerroom with Djax and Shady. AZ had Peterson, a former teammate, who could mentor TM. I just don’t think we had that type of environment. I do think you need guys w/ attitude in your lockerroom, guys who play with fire, even though you’ll have to manage those personalities.
Think Chip wrongly assumed that if you had all blue chip guys then you didn’t have to waste time on the “player management’ part of it and that’s just wrong.
ATTN: RobNE . . .
Hope we’re good. With you on the Pats no mas.
All good. Sorry if my comments seemed personal. They were not meant to be. If my tone was unduly strong it was my mood or work etc. I will lighten up.
Really interesting story i read earlier today talking about drafting QB’s in the 1st round. In the past it was a way to build job security (see Gus with Bortles), but with both Lovie and Whisenhunt have found out that is no longer the case, and they hit on QB’s! If you miss high these days on a QB the whole leadership gets wiped out – coach and GM.
Lots of front office people are saying they would stay away from anything that is not elite tier QB’s early because of this, especially this year where there is no clear QB who should be able to start day 1. May help a Lynch or Goff fall to the Eagles.
Owners and fans are fickle Problems are two fold (1) current regimes pay for the sins of past regimes — their leashes are shorter, that’s why there’s 0 job security in cleveland now, (2) you might want a different type of coach once you feel you’ve nabbed your guy (defense-oriented vs a qb whisperer.
Well . . . this describes a Catch-22.
You’re a second-year coach with the 1st and 2nd picks — and draft what look like legit elite QBs . . . but you don’t win 8 or 9 games. FIRED!!!
Now consider:
You’re a second-year coach with the 1st and 2nd picks — but no elite QB on your roster and none available in the draft . . . and you don’t win 8 or 9 games. FIRED?
Bradford or bust is where Im at with the QB situatuon. I really like his game.. Tho im leaning towards paying out the ass to franchise Him. If he gets thru another season healthy, Id be willimg to break the piggybank open for a big extension.
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Franchise tag is expensive as hell, but no where as expensive as giving a big money contract to the wrong guy. I’m not ready to lose SAM, im not ready to hand him a 5yr mega deal either, so pay the big money for the Tag, which essentially buys more time to make a more informed decision…. I’m not interested in free agent shopping any more, so I can live with one yeàr of typing up big money for a QB
There’s nothing wrong with franchising Bradford *and* taking a QB in the draft (though preferably lower in the round where the salaries aren’t so high). If the rookie looks good, you have protection against Bradford injury and leverage if he demands a boatload — we could make a qualifying offer, and let him go, and get comp picks.
allegedly Lovie Smith is on his way to Philly for an interview..
according to who?
Not sure where it originated, my friend just text me, I asked where he heard it, still waiting for answer
That is terrible news. Hopefully this is just a formality as I want nothing to do with Smith as a HC or even a DC.
Yeah I’m not a fan either…
dc would be acceptable. not great but acceptable. HC would have me searching for a suicide booth
Futurama ref?
yarp
Exactly 2 years ago today, the Eagles interviewed Lovie Smith.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/eagles/2013/01/08/eagles-lovie-smith/1818453/
3 years lol.
Thanks!
Corrected.
Josh Innes. Radio guy. I’d wait for someone more reiliable to report it. Wouldn’t mind him as a DC. People say Tampa 2 is antiquated but they actually don’t run it all that frequently anymore.
You couldn’t pay me to Listen to one momemt of that fat, out of town slob….
This tweet from Eskin — plus the Eagles spoke to him 3 years ago — may confirm Lovie to Philly-for-interview story. (Under the Colonel Klink rule.)
well if he says it than it sounds like its up to probable. It actually wouldnt surprise me if Lurie wants to get stability like Reid gave him or if hes looking for that kind of thing, Lovie fits in a way. I keep hearing antiquated Tampa 2 but how was Bucs D this past season and what were they running, if anyone knows?
When you think about his firing it really is a bit crazy. What did they expect him to do with a rookie QB. The fact that they were even in contention for playoffs is more than anyone expected. Im not really a fan for him as coach but I think some of the criticism is tad harsh, he did get Rex Grossman to the superbowl lol.
Upvote for Colenel Klink reference
oh derp, I just got the Klink joke, slow today
What are your thoughts on him? Who’s #1 on your wish list? I’m all over the place with no clue.
Fletch all pro second team.
1st team?
Watt and who else?
And what position was FC listed at?
McDonald or Suh would be my guess
Depending on whether they differentiate between 4-3 and 3-4. I’d guess Aaron Donald gets the other spot
Mack, Donald, Watt, Atkins. Can’t complain there really.
NFL is lucky that the Texans drafted Clowney instead of mack
Mack makes it as a 43 DE and an OLB.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2016/1/8/10737502/nfl-all-pro-team-2015-tyler-lockett-1st-team-bobby-wagner-and-richard
Mack 1st player ever to make it as both positions. 15 sacks last season, damn.
Houston Texans silently thinking what if . . .
Missed on Mack and a bunch of QBs. Lucky for them Indy was such a mess this year.
They had a shot at Bortles as well. And given O’Brien as their coach I was surprised when they didn’t.
not so silently actually. i’ve heard a few of them whining
nicely played
Ugh . . . Geno Atkins drafted 1 spot ahead of Eagles’ choice of Keenan Clayton in 2010.
Watt and Mack made it as DEs. Aaron Donald and Geno Atkins made it at DT.
Shame… He should be 1st team,,,. Hopefully this is a stepping stone to first team honors next year
If we switch to 43 think we’ll make it, but there’s lots of disruptive guys.
Atkins and Donald were 1st team and both had great years. Of course, they play 1-gap schemes and are allowed to attack so of course they’re stats are going to be better. Don’t think media realize how good you have to be to have the production Cox did in a 2-gap scheme.
Id take Cox in a heartbeat over Atkins… But I don’t have a problem with Donald making it over Cox.. I’m splitting hairs…
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What Matters is even tho this season has been a disaster, Cox has started to get the respect he deserves for the force that he has become
Makes him a little cheaper, hopefully.
Even though one player i don’t care how much they pay him
He ain’t gonna be cheap at all
OT and sorry DF3B:
forgive me . . . but, what the heck are you saying?
[ understand now. needed to reload.]
West Ham needs to get me a big win tomorrow vs. Wolverhampton.
We all live in America!, nobody watches cricket here you freaking sell out!
haha these guys play a strange version of cricket
Serious questions must be asked as to competency and the use of hallucinogens.
Who are you again?
mate, i’m a gooner not a fuckin scouser
Lol. Sorry mate.
Mayock is joining me all aboard the Wentz bus!
Trade back to the 20’s for another 2nd rounder and take Wentz, then hit O line in 2nd and 3rd. Save money on Bradford and invest in a top o line free agent, resign/extend our key guys, cut the deadwood.
you know where i stand! going to be interesting to see where he falls in the draft regardless of what team takes him
Thats best case scenario I keep hearing, trade back and still get him but his stock may rise by the time the draft comes. Really wish we had that 2nd but tis what tis. This seems to always happen with QBs unless they perform poorly at combine etc. I swear sometimes they could do nothing and the hype will just build itself.
ya know, some people are talking and have been saying there is a chance Wentz plays tomorrow in NDSU’s Championship game against Jacksonville St.. There was a media session yesterday, but HC Chris Klieman held him out and said Wentz was sick. Idk if they are playing head games or something but i’d love to see the guy play
trading back would be great.
Trading back to get Wentz, a 2nd rounder, and another pick is our God-given right as Eagles fans.
Here you go with a trade back for Wentz.
Round 1 Pick 20 (NYJ): Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (B)
Round 2 Pick 20 (NYJ): Max Tuerk, C/OG, Southern California (B+)
Round 3 Pick 13: Kyle Murphy, OT, Stanford (A)
Round 3 Pick 16: Nick Martin, C, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 3 Pick 20 (NYJ): Jayron Kearse, SS, Clemson (A+)
Round 4 Pick 13: Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland (A-)
Round 5 Pick 13: Ricky Seals-Jones, WR, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 5 Pick 21: Aaron Green, RB, TCU (A)
Round 6 Pick 13: Jonathan Jones, CB, Auburn (A)
Round 7 Pick 13: Matt Judon, DE, Grand Valley State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 31: Glenn Gronkowski, FB, Kansas State (B+)
Flacco went 18th in Rd 1.
Even though he was probably a better prospect coming out of Delaware than Wentz now . . . do you think teams will over-project and take Wentz even earlier than Flacco?
Somewhere in the range of #15 or so?
That’ll depend on where some other guys go I think.
And here is a “we got lucky and Goff was there at 13 version”
Round 1 Pick 20 (NYJ): Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (B)
Round 2 Pick 20 (NYJ): Max Tuerk, C/OG, Southern California (B+)
Round 3 Pick 13: Kyle Murphy, OT, Stanford (A)
Round 3 Pick 16: Nick Martin, C, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 3 Pick 20 (NYJ): Jayron Kearse, SS, Clemson (A+)
Round 4 Pick 13: Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland (A-)
Round 5 Pick 13: Ricky Seals-Jones, WR, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 5 Pick 21: Aaron Green, RB, TCU (A)
Round 6 Pick 13: Jonathan Jones, CB, Auburn (A)
Round 7 Pick 13: Matt Judon, DE, Grand Valley State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 31: Glenn Gronkowski, FB, Kansas State (B+)
For the All-Pro team I only have two complaints.
How is Mack allowed on there in two positions? He ain’t two guys.
Why is there a kick returner named, but not a punt returner? There should be a spot for Sproles.
Calm your titties little girls. Pederson is the next coach and he is going to be awesome.
You may not have the cognitive ability to understand the distinction but 95% of the people here are men.
He absolutely does not possess the mental capacity to comprehend what you just said to him Bert. He also upvoted himself which is a clear sign of desperation due to the fact no one pays he/she any attention.
I will not offer you financial advise and hope you turn out to be a poor bum and start selling yourself as a sex slave to men leaving eagles games after a loss so they tear the hell out of your asshike.
I definitely do not need any financial advice from a moron like yourself. My job deals with finances and I have an accountant so never will I be a poor bum because I know how to invest and save my money. The way you speak about men “tearing the hell of out of an asshike” you must know first hand that feeling and I am very sorry to hear that but I am sure you enjoyed it.
Your accountant probably sucks. Just PM me
you’re a meat stick who knows nothing, you probably work at arbys, and try to give out financial advice, you just qweefed
Aaron, we do not usually see eye to eye on a majority of your comments but I must say that was a good one friend.
I made 135% last year and 115% in 2013 and sold it all on Tuesday and went golfing. Honest truth
“asshike”?
BB:
I demand the media investigate him!
You are all little girls in my eyes. My little daughters
Is that because you like to fuck with the people here?
I get the AR love but why would Pederson be any good?
he was 1-5 calling the plays then they took that from him and they won a few in a row I heard after that.
Andy Reid isn’t going to make him his right hand man if he isn’t legit. He is the equivalent of Donovan McNabb but a coach
equal to mcnabb but a coach?
I don’t get it
I’m guessing he means above-average at best?
Yeah exactly
he throws the clip board into the ground? what?
I heard the same thing in Twitter. Andy Reid told McNabb don’t throw an interception throw a worm burner. Compare McNabb int to td ratio and Troy Aikman. You will be surprised
Just like Childress, Mornenwhig, Shurmur, & Spagnulo were?
I am going to that Chiefs bar in South philly on Saturday night if anyone wants to join me.
Question:
You’ve advised that investors should move from stocks/bonds to cash (or near cash, I guess, like short-term commercial paper).
When should we be buying back into the stock/bond market?
Stay out until gdp growth is at least 3%
That could be never! No love for an apple / tech rebound?
I shorted appl today. They are so exposed to China and the credit crunch of the US ib2008 is now hitting China. It could get so messy. Just stay away
Thanks
How about gold silver?
The consumer economy in China is growing much faster than the national GDP as the consumer goes from 32% of the econ towards the 60%-70% of developed countries. I understand that the US & Europe are well penetrated, but China & India have barely scratched the surface. Also, the stocknis already down ~16% YTD, so much of that weakness is already priced in.
It’s a bit more complicated than that. China’s economy is built on having cheaper products than anyone else.
Last quarter 9/30/15, GDP growth at 3.10%.
No official numbers since.
You projecting sub-3? For how long, roughly?
No your numbers are wrong. Are you looking at us gdp growth?
FWIW, you should never be “all out” or “all in”. Find a balanced investment strategy that can perform and protect you in any environment. It is extremely difficult to ” call” bottoms and tops, I would say don’t try, but rather use different strategies to minimize your downside (too long for a comment section but email teiclancy(at)Yahoo if you would like a more in depth explanation).
To summarize a basic strategy, investment returns are driven by 1) economic growth 2) inflation, and 3) income/yield. Right now there is little economic growth and almost no inflation, so the bulk of your returns in the short term will come from 1) income and 2) not losing the principal in your other investments (hedging against loss).
The fact of the matter is that when a market is at or near all time highs your expected return from that asset should be lower than average, but that doesn’t mean it can’t/won’t go higher. Also, corrections can occur as a function of time (same price for a long time) or price (exceeds intrinsic value during growth phase and quickly falls well below intrinsic value during contractions).
Finally, the market is a complex system (like a nuclear reactor) with many back systems and relief valves. Catastrophic failures don’t occur from 1 cause/event, but rather from a series of minor events, which are not enough to cause a catastrophe on their own but cause both the system and the back-up systems to fail simultaniously if they happen together. I would have told you that the Swiss National Bank backing away from the Euro peg, Greece defaulting, or China’s market turmoil each would have caused a much bigger drawdown than each event did. So, be smart protect your downside and have the flexibility to buy things if/when there is a fire sale (which we will see when oil & gas companies can’t roll their debt), but outside of the top 10 companies in the S&P much of the market has already lost significant value, with some stocks trading well below the 2009 lows.
Lions are reportedly going to hire Patriots’ director of pro scouting Bob Quinn as their GM. I wonder if this means they may fire Caldwell and target Josh McDaniesl or Matt Patricia as HC.
Also, Sheldon White is now available. He was mentioned as a candidate for the Eagles’ VP of Player Personnel job last year but never interviewed. To me, it seemed like Kelly was stuck on hiring Marynowitz all along and all the other interviews were just for show. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were names suggested to Kelly by Roseman/Lurie/Smolenski. With a very limited number of true GM jobs available, it wouldn’t surprise me if the Eagles target White to replace Donahoe.
sheldon brown would be better
go chiefs!
Little daughters, sitting on cash and not losing money is the equivalent of putting your money in the stock market and gaining money. Sit this one out my little darlings. I will tell you when to get back in.
Last 3 years of GDP growth by quarter . . .
Sep 30, 2015 3.10%
Jun 30, 2015 3.73%
Mar 31, 2015 3.92%
Dec 31, 2014 3.88%
Sep 30, 2014 4.75%
Jun 30, 2014 4.50%
Mar 31, 2014 3.31%
Dec 31, 2013 4.05%
Sep 30, 2013 3.08%
Jun 30, 2013 2.51%
Mar 31, 2013 2.92%
Dec 31, 2012 3.24%
There’s a lot more to it then just gdp growth. It’s been about 2% since 2011. Right now the strength of the dollar is killing growth. I went to the mall and from how packed it was you would have thought it was 5% growth. But because of how bad the world economy is.. Growth is actually dog shit half percent. Fold!
(reposted)
According to the US Bureau of Economic Analysis:
2015 – 1st three quarters: 0.6, 3.9, 2.0
2014 – 4 quarters: -0.9, 4.6, 4.3, 2.1.
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The data I found elsewhere (and posted), claiming BEA source, is — as you said — dead wrong.
Sounds like you listened to one NPR segment and now believe you hold the US financial system in the palm of your hand… I’ve seen this act played out too many times.
I live across the border, in the 2nd largest country in the world, just above the 49th parallel. While I am no financial genius, I can tell you that your strong dollar against our (comparatively) weaker dollar means we don’t buy your pricey products, while you buy our cheaper goods and services like crazy. Since we are each others’ principal trading partners, about $1 billion per day, it pays to take notice of this type of shift. Simpler to explain in layman’s terms for those who don’t understand such things as GDP. Unemployment figures, when broken down to region and type of industry/service helps, too.
Mag —
What a great video of Kapp and Mosca. Jeez, still holding grudges 50 years later.
Kapp looked pretty damn good for a guy whose in his late 70s, too.
Thanks. I did see mention, somewhere, that Mosca was coming out with a book and it was all staged. But I’m much too naive to believe such a thing.
http://cliparts.co/cliparts/6cr/67E/6cr67E5xi.jpg
You live in India Russia or China? 2nd largest country in population or land area?
A shining example of your educational system?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_area
If you can’t feed the kids you educate your juxtaposed is wasted.
The USA will put your country to damn shame. We are America and we eat weak fucks like Canada for dinner. You lucky we let up in the revolutionary war… Actually unlucky
And the US is not buying any penny gi Joe figures. I live here. We are buying restaurants service and I’ve things not plastic crap from China
Just say whrre you live
49th para is probably canada
Canada sucks. Let me tell you the Canadian economy is in deep. Deep deep trouble
Oh you live in Canada and you mean second largest country in land mass. Let me tell you something the last time I bought anything from Canada was when I went skiing at tremblant last year for. 75 on the dollar. Canada is in a shit load of trouble. I am sorry
Canadian western oil is $19 per barrel. Canada is screwed
I am just seeing those numbers formatted correctly… They are not correct
Here’s where I found them.
http://www.multpl.com/us-gdp-growth-rate/table/by-quarter
Claimng http://www.bea.gov as source. Didn’t verify.
Yeah well i dont care where you got them.
Rather than make them up, I thought I’d try to find them.
Just Google search us gdp growth. Then click on the news link. If you are serious and interested I can help you manage your money. I am not always right but following the market is my passion and I would be glad to share my opinion with you or answer questions if you had them and I had the knowledge to help you
Thanks for the offer.
According to the US Bureau of Economic Analysis:
2015 – 1st three quarters: 0.6, 3.9, 2.0
2014 – 4 quarters: -0.9, 4.6, 4.3, 2.1.
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The data I found elsewhere (and posted), claiming BEA source, is — as you said — dead wrong.
To anyone who is interested, Carson Wentz will make his return tomorrow in the FCS championship game. It is on ESPN2 at 11 AM against Jacksonville St.. Jack St. is a school who seems to have a knack for picking up major D-1 talents who were kicked out of their respected schools, so it will be a decent test for Wentz especially since it’s his first game in about 3 months
JB:
In what kind of offense has Wentz played the past 3-4 years?
Why’s he at a D-II school . . . the Delaware of the Midwest?
(I still use the old D-I, D-II, D-III categories).
Did he have the opportunity to transfer to an elite D-I program with a promise to start?
What kind of high school player was he . . . since Roseman loves that stuff?
When did the football literati see CW as an NFL talent?
Then a 1st Rd talent?
Looks — from body language, size, arm strength — Carson Palmer II.
good comparison….that is how i see him
Pro-style offense….NDSU loves to run the ball
Was seen as a major baseball talent in high school, hurt his shoulder? i think his junior year of high school so major colleges didn’t recruit him very much…North Dakota St. is actually referred to as the “Alabama of the FCS”
that’s interesting about baseball
where’s Wentz from?
also, he’s sounding like someone who’s gonna just keep moving up the draft board above 13. which would suck
Here’s a link to Wentz’s NDSU bio. With photo.
http://www.gobison.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4632
Depends on how teams view the QB class overall. The general stuff out there now is that there isn’t a guy who teams have to go get at the top of the draft, so that should help Wentz be draftable.
Like the intel!
Given that Wentz’s a D-1AA (FCS?), and a QB, you’d like to think there’s no way he breaks the Top 5. Or even the Top 10.
Last QB in the 1st Rd from D-1AA was Flacco in 2008 at #18.
Last QB in the Top 5 of the draft from D-1AA?
21 years ago. Alcorn State’s Steve McNair going 3rd to the Houston Oilers . . . coached by Jeff Fisher.
Before McNair . . . there was the NYG’s selection of Phil Simms 7th overall from D-1AA Morehead State in ’79.
Could Wentz get that high?
I doubt it. There is a lot of ground for Wentz to make up. Goff and Lynch are getting a lot more pub, but I’m not sure how early either of them go. I’d actually prefer Goff to Wentz by far, but I doubt Goff lasts to 13. I don’t like Lynch at all b/c I think he’s played like a punk if big games. He looked horrible vs. Temple. Connor Cook is another name with some lead on Wentz, but I think he’s not an idea prospect either.
As far as QB needy teams go;
I think Cleveland adds RG3 and doesn’t draft one.
I don’t see Dallas taking one.
San Fran totally steals Goff
The Saints could trade Brees and go QB
So I think we could trade down and get Wentz around 20ish.
No. There’s plenty to like about his physical gifts but at this point he’s just arm talent like Bradford.
Correct. And if I had my druthers I’d like Wentz backing up Bradford this year.
Flacco’s the closest comparison for me at this point in terms of arm, build, size, college experience.
But it seems as though, even if Wentz knocks it out of the park in the run-up to the draft — as I think Flacco did, he shouldn’t be a Top 10 pick.
In no small part because, unlike Flacco, Wentz was not highly recruited out of high school.
According to Rivals data base, Wentz’s wasn’t listed as a potential recruit at any position, despite his size.
https://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/quicklist.asp?Position=4&sport=1
Using the “Reid method,” if the Eagles land Wentz, maybe the team does a 1-and-done tag on Bradford . . . or pulls a Pederson and lets Wentz start playing after 8-9 games.
Of course, it’s not as though the Eagles have the 2nd pick in the draft.
Lots to think about for Lurie, Roseman, and the new HC.
I actually see Mike Glennon with better footwork in Wentz. Glennon was often compared to Flacco when he was coming out but he didn’t have the cannon arm. .
That’s an interesting comparison. Raises the question: If Wentz was playing Div I football, would he getting compared to Glennon?
There’s a good chance. They’re about the same size and have very identical flaws.
i think he has a good chance to go by the end of the first
a team i have a feeling may take him is Arizona….Palmer is always an injury risk and is getting up there in years (36)
That leaves us plenty of room to get him because Arizona should be picking 29th.
also i’ll add there has been some odd leaks or rumblings about Dallas being very interested in him. Not sure if it’s just BS speculation by a couple draftnik writers or what not, or if there is some legitimate truth, but i just found it odd that rumors were coming out about a team wanting to select a prospect who wasn’t a consensus #1 pick.
The Dallas Cowboys coaching staff will be coaching at the senior bowl and there is already an article on the bloggingwiththeboys.com about Dallas wanting to take a hard look at Wentz, citing Dane Brugler
Dallas wouldn’t dare take him at 4, but would totally take him at 35 if he’s still there.
D 1-AA if you’re trying to be exact.
thanks
And Sanchez is starter. He has least amount of int in his career but most amount of worm burners
PREDICTION: Pederson is hired we move back in the draft and we draft OL OL OL OL OL then we can sign an OL
sancehz and person? wow what a year that would be.
no thanks
It’s a decade not a year
I see we are upvoting ourselves again.
Upvoting yourself = Desperation
what an awful decade then
I)ll bet you on that. If a coach lasts a decade which Pederson will it will be a lot better than shitty chip kelly
Jason La Canfora: The NFL has become the league of forgiveness.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25440761/the-nfl-has-suddenly-become-the-national-forgiveness-league
It kind of feels like, the money is rolling in so why bother changing anything just because you’re not winning. Grier in Miami, Reese in New York, Roseman in Philly, Grigson in Indy. It’s enough to make me cynical.
not for chip kelly.
It’s difficult for those NFL guys to adapt their narrative to account for 10-6 the first 2 seasons or another NFL guy stating that he learned more from Chip than during the entire span of his previous NFL career. I could almost eel sorry for a couple of them, but who has time?
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FWIW, it seems that niner fans are gearing up for Chip being named the HC
Thank franchise has done a complete nosedive in 2 years.
The consensus is it’ll be either Hue Jackson or Chip….both are expected to be at odds with Jed York by next Christmas
Comment of the week!
They can’t do much worse. Back into the basement for the 49ers!
Growth mindset. Learn from mistakes. etc.
That division is stacked on defense. 49ers aren’t exactly doing well on offensive talent but Chip may have his choice of QB with the first pick. I still don’t see him doing well.
I live in the Seattle area so can’t disagree. We also see more of the Seahawks stuff on local television. Yesterday there were some clips from the last game, which were not on national TV. Doug Baldwin, arguably their best receiver, was blocking on several plays. Let’s just say that Chip would have wept for wishing him on HIS team. Ferocious blocker, looked more like he could play on their defense. A worthy replacement for Tate. Both WRs who could take out a safety or corner or occasional linebacker. And then there’s Arizona.
I don’t often watch the Seahawks play but their players seem to love playing for Carroll.
Heating up some draft talk; I’d like to offer some guys I think will be busts.
Joey Bosa, Paxton Lynch, Jake Conklin (if you call not being able to play LT in the NFL when being drafted that high a bust), and Taylor Decker (again, not a LT).
Myles Jack.
I do not agree with you on Decker, to me he can be a very good RT with the potential to play LT. Bosa I think is a better fit as a 3-4 DE then a 4-3 DE and also think he can be successful. Lynch and Conklin I agree have real bust potential.
I can’t be the only one extremely underwhelmed with the thought of hiring Doug Pederson, right? The Chiefs have had a rather pedestrian offense. They’re only 1 season removed from going an entire year w/o a WR catching a single TD pass. I’ve never watched the Chiefs and thought, ‘Wow! I’d love to have that offense!’
I mean, what is the special appeal? I must be missing something….
Have you watched the OL improve over the year?
Admittedly, I haven’t watched the Chiefs play much this year. However, why would I credit Pederson and not Big Red for improved OL play???
You’re not alone at all…
is that what you call a Pederson offense? Pedestrian?
wouldn’ t it be a pedersonian offense?
I thought shurmur’s offense looked pretty good sunday.
You can never judge a HC hire. The qualities necessary to be a successful HC are not the same as those required for coordinators. Did anyone project Reid to be a homerun hire(in comparison to other options)? Was Bruce Arians a sexy hire for ARZ three years ago? The one concern I have with a Pederson hire is that his experience has been solely with Reid. Most coaches on the Reid tree are either already with KC or under contract with other teams? Connections matter and he may have a difficult time assembling a quality staff around him.
“You can never judge a HC hire. The qualities necessary to be a successful HC are not the same as those required for coordinators.”
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Can’t say that enough.
In part, besides the management qualities issues, coordinators on good teams are typically working with great talent — which helps the numbers.
Agreed for the most part. In regard to Arians though….He did coach the Colts to a 9-3 record prior to joining the Cards. He had tremendous success as the O-Coordinator in Pittsburgh and had in general, a wealth of coaching experience. Much different resume than Pederson.
I will give whoever the next coach is 100% benefit of the doubt and time to prove his worth. I have no agendas here.
I do have some serious reservations with Pederson though. His offense this year only managed to gain over 350 yards of offense in just 4 games. That’s pretty subpar going by today’s average #s. We have a weak WR corps. What’s his plan to bolster them?
Also, you cite his lack of coaching experience. Who will he poach to become our assistants? It’s imperative we find some solid position coaches since we are clearly not maximizing talent here.
KC didn’t have a wealth of offensive talent. Their offensive line started out the season very shaky, and improved over time. At WR, they have Maclin. That’s pretty much it. Charles has been injured the vast majority of the season and their other RBs are JAGs. They have a quality TE.
FWIW, Miami supposedly wants Gase
There’s growing momentum within the organization for the Dolphins to hire Adam Gase, the Miami Herald has learned.
If the Dolphins do indeed hire Gase, as some in the building believe could happen this weekend, he will be the eighth consecutive Dolphins coach with no prior NFL head-coaching experience.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article53798170.html#storylink=cpy
He was there late on thursday, i’m sure his agent is putting in work trying to get the $$ right.
He left to interview with the Giants.
which seemed to only be a half day interview. i think MIA and PHI are best options. But PHI is pretty tight lipped about whats going on — feel like fans always surprised. I guess i’ll see what Kempski says.
3 years ago, we were hiring Gus for sure and then in a span of a few hours it’s
Why’d we let him interview with Jacksonville?
Not only did the Eagles lose out on Chip, they blew it with Gus too!
Yeah and, and…Gus is still employed!
Few Eagles fans on twitter are panicking but I’m not really sure why…he hasn’t been hired and if he is, is it the end of the world?
I think Miami (and owner Ross) have missed out on their 1st choice for HC every time since Saban jumped ship in 2007 — ending up with Cam Cameron, Tony Sporano, and Joe Philbin.
If it’s just a matter of money, have to believe Ross’ll write a blank check.
If it’s a matter of picking his staff, Ross’ll say “whomever you want.”
As for personnel, may his agent (Jimmy Sexton) pushes for control of the final 53 — and Ross says “yes.”
But only if Gase is their 1st choice by a clear margin, no?
The Doug Pederson hire is going to be so incredibly underwhelming when it happens.
UGH.
I hate going from one of the most exciting coaches in the league to one of the most boring.
This is the entertainment industry after all. This stuff matters.
right with you
McNabb was underwhelming, then he was great-ish.
It was obviously years ago, but I was excited when we drafted McNabb.
I was younger and more impressionable back then, but dual threat QBs have always been exciting, particularly after idolizing Randall Cunningham as a kid.
And don’t forget Eagle QB Jack Concannon.
One of the first scramblers, drafted by Joe Kuharich in the 2nd Rd of the 1964 draft — after Fran Tarkenton showed that scrambling QBs can win.
The only problems were Kuharich traded Sonny Jurgensen for Norm Snead that same off-season, so Snead got more snaps . . .
And he didn’t know how to manage his QBs (actually playing all 3 on the roster nearly every game of 1966)!
I’m right there with you. Ricky Williams was one of my favorite college players of all time to watch, but I knew even as a teenager that McNabb could help our team more. I did watch some Syracuse games and was fascinated with McNabb. He seemed like a more durable, albeit slower version of Cunningham. I think people forget how great of an athlete McNabb really was. He played on their basketball team for a little while. That’s extremely impressive.
He was great
MKSP . . . Ahoy. (Always great to see you commenting.)
Maybe we should demand that the local media investigate!
A thorough investigation is certainly in order.
Seriously. DOUG PEDERSON.
What’s Ty Detmer up to? Maybe we should interview him as well.
Rodney Peete?
And in all seriousness, why not just give Pat Shurmur the job if *this* is the route you want to take?
That’s a top-of-the-class comment!!!
Well done. LMAO
I want Vaughn Hebron as DC!!!
As long as he brings the wine!
Not to start an argument, but from what I see and read, I question whether there are many investigative reporters to be found locally. This blog’s writer to be exempted of course.
Seriously . . . I’m not sure there are many to be found nationally, either. Not anymore.
I will say that even as a Canadian I find some serious, thorough analyses of some issues on PBS. Our cable package contains the Detroit PBS station as well as odd pickups from Chicago, Boston and Rochester NY! The last is great for watching Eagles games that are not televised nationally. I used to enjoy Mark Russell awhile ago. Love satire.
“Source or agent says” Hue Jackson 49ers frontrunner fwiw.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2016/01/08/nfl-source-the-49ers-have-zeroed-in-on-hue-jackson-leading-up-to-their-sunday-interview-with-him/
From a Jason LaCanfora article today…
“Should be quite the bidding war forming between the Dolphins and Eagles for Adam Gase. He’s the top dog in both places. Roseman and Tannenbaum won’t give up easy. Not a bad spot to be in.”
You have two alpha personalites in Roseman and Tannenbaum who know how to close deals. It’s a great spot for him and his agent. That’s why you’re seeing these leaks:
He’s going to give the Eagles a 2nd interview(Step up to the plate, Tannenbaum!)
Momentum growing in building for Dolphins to hire Gase(Show me the Benjamins, Howie!)
Pederson’s a leading candidate.(I won’t be bent over, Sextion!)
Lurie’s paying Chip $13 million not to coach for the next 2 years. Money is not an object.
Roseman and Tannenbaum
Please don’t take this the wrong way, as I have DNA from many parts of the world, but this sounds a bit like The Merchant of Venice. ;~)
Maybe Gase shouldn’t overplay his hand.
True, neither Gase nor Roseman or Tannenbaum played college or pro football.
But Roseman and Tannenbaum can point to HOF General Manger Ron Wolf and say, “haha, he never played football either.”
Followed by “only one coach who didn’t play college or pro football has ever won the Super Bowl.”
At that point, agent Jimmy Sexton says, “Uh huh, Bill Belichick — who’s been to more SBs than anyone else. Now pay me the money.”
This isn’t great for those of you who won’t be happy unless it’s Gase:
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
1m1 minute ago
Miami has scheduled a 2nd interview with Adam Gase on Saturday, per source. He is only Dolphins candidate to be scheduled for 2nd interview.
It’s over.
The data on 2nd interviews is pretty compelling — as D3FB said a few days ago.
Ready the wedding bells.
It’s over when it’s reported that his agent has flown in.
Interesting.
Do you think, at this point, preliminary paperwork’s been sent to Sexton?
Doubt it. The wife has to give her approval first.
Bingo!
Great stuff tonight.
What a disaster.
Do you mean that?
Or are you being ironical?
It works both ways.
Ha. Yes. For the Eagles, this will be a disaster if they lose the bidding war for Gase.
It will paint an ugly picture of Lurie & Roseman when it comes out that Gase was also their top target and they lost out to the Dolphins organization, hardly a stable franchise itself.
If he were their top target he wouldn’t be going to Miami tomorrow.
I’m calling it right now:
Paul Guenther will be the Eagles’ next HC. Shurmur stays on board as OC.
That’s a very interesting call.
Local kid makes very good.
I could live with this.
I remain hopeful, though, that the Eagles will have a FB on the roster next season. And run the ball out of the I-formation with the QB under center.
Shall we institute the 46 defense as well, or just go back to the 4-3?
The 3-4 is a modern abomination and must be banished to the valleys of hell itself.
I should have included the word, “occasionally.”
Just posted an excerpt from a Guenther interview.
The guy sounds very much like Jim Johnson in philosophy.
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Regarding the 3-4 . . . No philosophical objections. Maybe less 2-gapping. And more huddles for the offense.
Here’s an excerpt from an Guenther interview after he became the Bengal’s D.C. in 2014 — which conjures up familiar images:
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He learned from his days as an offensive assistant under Steve Spurrier in Washington in 2002 and 2003 that the more confusion a defense can show protection schemes and quarterbacks, the better.
“I learned a lot about how teams try to attack protections and it was invaluable because a lot of coaches don’t get to go to the other side of the ball like that,” said Guenther. “I do want to put more pressure on the quarterback, make them make throws in crucial situations, but there’s going to be times when we’re going to need to cover. Maybe we don’t have a great matchup on the outside with a wide receiver, but we can’t have a guy one-on-one out there. So you’ve got to pick and choose your spots and when you’re going to do it. If I see a team now that has a hole in the protection, I’m going to attack it until they fix it, and once they fix it, we’ll do different things. It’s all going to depend on the opponent, team and situations. There’s some different ways of pressure. Different fronts, different ways of how I can get guys matched up on maybe the worst offensive lineman on the team. Just simple little things that can make us better.”
Sounds like a young chip kelly.
I still wonder how we’ll patch up the OL. If we don’t keep Stoutland then do we move on from the zone blocking? We would have to trade Kelce or do we beef up the interior OL to try to mitigate Kelce’s struggles with bigger DL?
All this negativity over Pederson will make it seem less disappointing when McDermott is hired next week, well played Lurie, well played.
I’m going to share with you guys some of the comments over at finheaven, probably the best Dolphins forum:
Yes Man Gase has momentum growing in South Beach
As per the Miami Herald……….Oh Boy!!!!!!!
Would be a terrible hire!
This guy has bust written all over him……I pray that I’m wrong.
Unfortunately I remember the last coordinators hat werely highly regarded, Cam Cameron and Joe Philbin.
Wonder who the next “hot” coordinator will be in 3 years. While Hue
Jackson has a playoff team somewhere and we are sitting there why did we
not go after Hue.
Booooooooo to Gase.. He blows. I don’t respect coaches that think they coach great QB,s. That’s like a noob Coach.
Actually, when I read the positive comments about Gase, I’m reminded of a
young Marc Trestman. That is not what this team needs to be aiming for.
this hire does absolutely nothing for me if it goes down
What’s he done on his own, though?. Chicago wasn’t much better. Peyton
practically runs his own offense. What has he done to make you excited
aside from be linked to other jobs? Not like he’s fielding offers or
anything.
another losing season smh.
Gase does not strike me as a guy who is a leader of men. He seems pretty
soft like a Philbin type and he has no head coaching experience and
limited coordinator experience. Also I don’t think he’d be able to reel
in a stellar coaching staff either. That hire would scare the hell out
of me.
There are other fans that are pro-Gase, but the negative perception of a Gase hire by Miami fans at that site is approaching 50%.
fantastic stuff
very interesting. Trestman analogy is interesting also he does run a great offense. Interesting too that during tebow McCoy was the OC, he’s fighting for his life in SD/LA. Peyton is peyton. I guess he could get credit for not “Gary Kubiaking” the situation but as a 35yo guy i doubt he’d have that kind of control anyway.
Was there ever a proper confirmation that we interviewed or scheduled one with Teryl Austin?
Reported we were going to interview him, but never a date confirmed. Eagles have been announcing the interviews and they haven’t reported Austin yet.
Will say this: He interviewed with the Giants today. That interview ended around 3 pm. He has a 2nd interview scheduled tomorrow in Miami. Philly is pretty close to NY. Not out of realm of possibilitiy he is meeting with Eagles right now.
Yeah i don’t think we’d know about the second interview.
Which hot OC did so well that this seems like best move? Last one I remember is Gruden.