Monday Coaching Update

Posted: January 11th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 485 Comments »

And so it continues.

On Sunday the Eagles interviewed Doug Pederson in KC. I wrote a detailed piece explaining why he could be a good fit for the Eagles. Some of you asked why I didn’t deal more with his faults. I feel like those issues are fairly obvious. I was more interested in why the Eagles see him as a good candidate. That was the bigger challenge.

One aspect of Pederson that bothers people is that other teams are not talking to him. That is a fair concern. But you are also missing the point to look at it that way. Pederson is a candidate for the Eagles because they know him. He played and coached for the Eagles. They have a knowledge of him that other teams don’t.

I recently wrote a post that told the story of how Mike Krzyzewski got the job at Duke. If it wasn’t for the recommendation of Bob Knight, Coach K would not have even been a candidate. Going strictly by resume, Duke was crazy to hire Krzyzewski.

If you love military history, you may know the story of Raymond Spruance. Prior to the Battle of Midway, Admiral William Halsey got sick. He was asked by Admiral Chester Nimitz to name a replacement. Halsey shocked everyone, including Spruance, by naming him to lead a key task force in an incredibly important battle. Spruance helped the US to win a key battle that was one of the turning points of World War II. He wasn’t the obvious choice, but he proved to be the right choice.

Sometimes finding the right man for the job goes beyond looking at a resume. When you know someone up close and personal, there is a value to that which is hard to quantify. If Andy Reid is making a strong recommendation and Jeff Lurie has a high opinion of Pederson, that might be more important than a superlative track record.

Pederson does make some sense. He’s certainly not at the top of my list. I preferred Adam Gase. He’s now in Miami and I’m trying to figure out what I want the team to do. There is no clear guy to pursue right now.

The Eagles interviewed Tom Coughlin today. I wrote the other day about how older coaches are having a lot of success right now so his age isn’t as negative a factor as it would seem.

The biggest issue I have with Coughlin is history. No coach who has ever won a Super Bowl with one team has ever gone to a new team and won the SB again. A lot have tried.

Vince Lombardi
Hank Stram
Don McCafferty
Tom Flores
Joe Gibbs (2nd tenure with WAS)
Mike Ditka
Bill Parcells
George Siefert
Jimmy Johnson
Mike Holmgren
Mike Shanahan

Only Tuna and Holmgren ever made it back.

History says that by hiring Coughlin you are guaranteeing you won’t win the Super Bowl. That’s pretty strong stuff.

Obviously some coach down the line is going to break that trend. Maybe Coughlin would come to the Eagles and turn out to be a great fit. Maybe he would turn this team into a juggernaut.

The only way I would hire him is if the meeting with him went so well that it felt like he had to be the guy. Jeff Lurie, Howie Roseman and Don Smolenski will be in the room conducting the interview. If all three come out of there completely sold, go for it.

If there is any doubt…any hesitation…then listen to history.

I do think Coughlin could be a good fit for the Eagles. He struck the right balance of discipline and being a players coach in NY. He was too strict early in his time there, but eventually loosened up and formed a very tight bond with his players. He gave in a little and they did their part to make things work.


I watched Cincinnati’s defense closely on Saturday night, trying to get a better feel for Paul Guenther. I came away very impressed with how the unit performed. Sometimes you just see a really talented group having their way with an opponent. The Bengals have talent, but they look well-coached.

The players showed good discipline, in terms of coverage responsibilities and run gaps. Defenders were in the right spot on most plays. Guenther did a good job with mixing up his scheme and coverages.

Obviously the one glaring concern is the lack of personal discipline from Vontaze Burfict and Pacman Jones. They might have cost Cincy the game. Both players have been troublesome going back to college so you can’t exactly pin that on Guenther. Also, before the game, he went over to Joey Porter and specifically asked him not to talk to Cincy players since Porter had done that in a recent game and it caused issues. Guenther knew there could be trouble and tried to prevent it.

I still have questions with Guenther, but he has grown on me.


485 Comments on “Monday Coaching Update”

  1. 1 TheTazmanianDevil said at 7:55 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    In the last post, I said I would prefer Hue Jackson or Shurmur, but one guy has jump ahead for me.

    Mike Smith.
    He did a good job in his first 5 years at Atlanta, and then seems to lose the locker room or/and, alongside with the GM, did a poor job adding talent.

    Don’t know, but he and Shurmur, with some freedom as OC, and a oldschool DC would make me happy (for now).

  2. 2 Ark87 said at 7:57 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    he is a lot like Andy Reid. He can run a team very well, well respected and all that. But he makes some horrific decisions on game day. Considered by many to be one of the worst game-day decision-makers in the league.

  3. 3 RobNE said at 9:14 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    right weren’t they up on SF in the NFC championship game 20-0?

  4. 4 Anders said at 2:58 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    That Falcons GM drafted super poorly and traded way too much Julio Jones.

    Elite Wrs do not win you games, complete teams does. Its also why Im not a fan of trading up too much in the draft

  5. 5 Ark87 said at 7:56 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    These choices are always tough. The only concern is the future, but we can only reference the past, which is up to debate how much that really indicates future outcomes. It’s not a business for the feint of heart.

  6. 6 The original AG said at 7:56 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    “[Guenther] went over to Joey Porter and specifically asked him not to talk to Cincy players since Porter had done that in a recent game and it caused issues.”

    Interesting. I wonder if Porter will get some type of sanction from the NFL since this isn’t a first time occurrence. Especially since he’s a defensive coach coming out on the field when his unit isn’t the one playing.

  7. 7 Insomniac said at 8:34 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    It needs to be a heavy punishment. A fine and suspension is nothing.

  8. 8 RobNE said at 9:12 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    yep this is just really unfair.

  9. 9 johhnyblaze said at 9:47 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    No excuse for his actions but nobody holding the players responsible, they took the bait knowing what he’d try

  10. 10 Insomniac said at 9:48 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Except it has happen before. Porter knew he can stir things up and get away with it. I hope Goodell takes notice and hits them hard.

  11. 11 daveH said at 8:35 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Wondrring the same.. the instigator rule in hockey. . Like the sideline coach that tripped the player .. fireable.. nfl ban. Creepy embarrassing for the Steelers actually

  12. 12 FairOaks said at 9:18 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Was going to say… asking Porter not to talk to his players is basically giving Porter a plan of action. If there was a history there, he most likely knew which buttons to push.

  13. 13 Greg Richards said at 8:02 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    I have the sneaking suspicion that there’s an unknown college coach the Eagles are pursuing. They wouldn’t announce an interview because the rumors leaking could affect that coach’s recruiting at his current school.

  14. 14 The original AG said at 8:05 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    That’s bold if it’s true. Especially coming off the heels of the last three years. I would think they’re gun shy about getting a college coach.

    But, in this world stranger things have happened.

  15. 15 Greg Richards said at 8:17 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    I think it’d be a college coach with NFL experience. David Shaw, Jim Mora Jr. I’d say Jim Harbaugh too but don’t think he’d leave Michigan after only 1 year.

  16. 16 The original AG said at 8:19 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    I hate Jim Mora Jr. like Media Mike hates Cam Newton. I have no faith in that guy as a coach.

  17. 17 ChoTime said at 8:43 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Me too, I have hated that guy ever since 2004. Just seems like a snake. I heard an interview on the radio, though, and I have to admit, he has good social skills.

  18. 18 JoeBlow said at 9:17 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    i would probably stop rooting for the team if they hired Jim Mora jr. and wouldn’t resume doing so until he was no longer here.

    The guy is a spoiled cocky punk and reminds me of the high school jock who still lives in his glory years. When his dad coached the Saints, little jimmy used to yell and shout insults at the media members during PC’s and at practices, he was a kid then, but his act is still the same as a grown man. So far during his tenure at UCLA his teams’ have had some talent, but a total lack of discipline is their sure downfall every year because because this dude tries to emulate his father so hard, but he just comes off as an ass. A few years ago at a PC a writer’s phone rang and instead of just brushing it off he gave the writer a lecture and then tough-guy stared him down for what felt like an eternity then just got up and left. He’s also been caught on camera yelling at a ball-boy on the sidelines, the ball-boy’s reactions was great as he just rolled his eyes at him. Earlier this year he laid into FR QB Josh Rosen with the media right next to them. The writers thought he was just doing it to do it and said it was really uncomfortable and was soo forced. It’s always a bunch of yelling and screaming on UCLA sielines, his coaches look like “frat bros” who should be coaching high-school JV. Even at the bowl game this year against Kansas ST. , he gave coach Bill Snyder the “quick handshake” and just walked away because he was pissed that KSU was trying to get the ball back when they were down by less than TD with no TO…..UCLA committed 6 personal fouls in this game btw. I think he’s a decent coach, but would be wayyyy more suited as a positional coach…..not a leader of a team

  19. 19 holeplug said at 8:36 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    wouldn’t be surprised if they asked Shaw but supposedly Stanford is his dream job. Harbaugh would want full personnel control after the shit show in SF. would literally throw up if they hired Mora

  20. 20 Gary Barnes said at 9:39 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    OMG, please no to Jim Mora Jr. What an absolute buffoon he was as the Falcons HC. Love his father, but Jr. would be a terrible choice IMO

  21. 21 johhnyblaze said at 9:44 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Lane kiffin, maybe that’s why chip went down there

  22. 22 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:08 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Hope it’s not Brian kelly who they allegedly “loved”

  23. 23 daveH said at 8:29 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Wont have to change the locker name

  24. 24 ChoTime said at 8:44 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Won’t have to change the name on the parking spot either!!!

  25. 25 daveH said at 8:52 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Tops me nice

  26. 26 Dave said at 8:05 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Lombardi died after his first year with the skins at 57. I feel given 10 more years, he would have succeeded;-)

  27. 27 botto said at 8:10 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    well how many years does coughlin have then?

  28. 28 Dave said at 8:29 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    At least 12 more than Lombardi.

  29. 29 RobNE said at 9:10 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Kempski did a good job arguing that this was more about circumstance and opportunity. Most of the coaches that went to another team went to a horrible team.

  30. 30 Dave said at 9:19 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    I was joking, hence the 😉 at the end of the sentence.

  31. 31 RobNE said at 9:20 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    I know I was really responding to Tommy.

  32. 32 Dave said at 9:20 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Although I would tend to agree.

  33. 33 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:07 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    I would prefer just giving Shurmur an opportunity to show what he has learned since the last chance he got. But if they insist on Doug P, at least that probably means that Shurmur would remain the OC. it’s not uncommon for first time head coaches to have an experienced coordinator to lean on… Shurmur was there to help Chip make the transition, and I would assume that LURIE would want to retain Shurmur in a similar capacity as an experience resource for Dougie. I would think that there is a good chance we will retain DUCE as well. Only question is will DUCE remain a RB coach (his specialty), or will he want to coach some other area to build his resume and start working his way up the coaching ranks?.. Ideally we would also be able to retain Fipp and Undlin.
    I get the impression the next coach isn’t going to have any power, which would exclude big name Hires like COUGHLIN. I wont be surprised if the next coach doesn’t even have control over the 53 man roster, If This is what they want, then obviously they won’t be able to get guys with a lot of options like Gase, and would need to look for a candidate who has no leverage, and would give up all control to get his first HC opportunity…. Dougie fits that bill…
    The roster DOESNT need a full rebuild, so Maybe reuniting the band with a staff filled with Andy’s former minions might be the way to go..
    Shurmur as OC, has the familiarity with SAM. he knows alle he strengths and weakness of our offensive players, and he knows their terminology which makes it easier to teach them a new offense.
    Id be curious to see what Shurm learned from Chip, Chip has gotten a ton of praise for his halftime adjustments, hopefully Shurm learned a thing or two. Shurm also has the advantage of seeing what worked great for chip, and what DIDNT, without the ego of it being his offense that he wants so.desperately to work out. Id love to see Shurmur design an offense incorporating pro west coast offense, and aspects of the chip offense that worked well, without all the flaws of chips offense..
    My money says Doug P is the Coach, and Shurm will be the OC, with Sammy Boy at QB…. ButI who the hell knows what they are thinking

  34. 34 The original AG said at 8:12 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    This is my gut as well, and I think you hit the nail on the head about what type of coach they want (or what it seems they want). An up-and-coming coach, who won’t have much say on the roster, and won’t make a power play soon after arriving.

    If he can’t pick his coaches, I would think this would make Philly a not-so-great destination. I would think desperation to be a coach would lead people to make a decision to come to a place where they don’t have much autonomy. Especially if they aren’t picking their whole staff.

    If that’s true, that leaves me feeling very uneasy about the next coaching stint. We see how choosing a line coach before picking a DC worked out, how much worse for a head coach and one of his most important coaches (OC).

  35. 35 anon said at 8:13 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    shurmur is fireable after a year if someone else better comes along AND some of the chip kelly stench will be gone.

  36. 36 The original AG said at 8:16 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    I think Shurmur could offer a bit in the room for offense. But, how crappy is that if he stinks it up the first year and he needs to be fired. The first crappy year doesn’t necessarily reflect poorly on him as much as the coach. Right?

    Or am I way off base. Seems like a waste to force a guy on someone, then fire him a year later – especially when the coach might have wanted someone else from the get-go. Seems like just throwing a year away for nothing.

    The more I think about this situation, the more I’m worried that it’s going to be bad here for a bit.

  37. 37 Greg Richards said at 8:19 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    The new HC will almost assuredly get to pick his own assistants. I’m sure Lurie/Roseman will offer endorsements to keep current coaches on the staff, but no coach is going to take the job without the ability to choose his assistants.

  38. 38 The original AG said at 8:20 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Phew. I hope so.

  39. 39 RobNE said at 9:09 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    I agree with Greg. I think you are worried about something you shouldn’t be.

  40. 40 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:33 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Actually it’s not as uncommon As you think for a new coach to end up keeping guys from the previous staff suggested by the owner.
    The Rooneys get a lot of credit because when they hired inexperienced Tomlin, they made sure he had two very experienced Coordinators to lean on, Bruce Arians and lebeau
    And in Doug P’s case, he already has relationships with the coaches I think we would want to keep, Shurmur and DUCE… It’s not like LURIE would be sticking him with coaches he doesn’t even know..
    Regardless who we hire, I thnk we will keep an assistant or two, but if we hire a coach who is familiar with our assistants, Shurm or Doug, I don’t see why that would be a problem.
    Inexperienced Chip needed a veteran OC, inexperienced Tomlin needed a veteran Bruce Arians… Is it that big of a deal if inexperienced DP has veteran Shurmur who he already knows from back in the day as his veteran OC?
    Even if our owner wants to keep 2-3 assistants, our HC is still going to get to pick the majority of his staff

  41. 41 Forthebirds said at 8:01 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Agreed. Someone who would give up the right to put together his team is not someone I would not want as an HC. Some of the position coaches are worth retaining, you could make a case for 3ach of them, except Bill Davis, but the decision should be his. Otherwise you get a mismatched staff much like a mismatched team where the players don’t completement each other.

  42. 42 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:09 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Our coach might not even have control over the 53 man roster, of course we aren’t a very attractive destination these days, no surprise we are talking to some candidates with zero leverage who haven’t generated interest with anyone but us..
    Adam Gase interviewed with us first, few days later he was announced as the Dolphins coach amd in the announcement they included a tidbit about Gase having control of the 53 man roster. Problem is, THATS pretty common that a coach has control of the 53, so it makes me wonder why that was included in the press release announcing the signing? Why mention something so common that it would typically be assumed? This makes me think that control over the 53 ended up being a part of chosing which job he would take. If he felt the need to point out that he had control of the 53, there is probably a reason behind it. What could that reason be? That one of the other teams strongly considering him werent willimg to give him control of the 53… After the chips Power play and Roseman now being more powerful than ever, think there is a good chance that we were the team that wouldn’t allow him to control the 53 after being traumitized by what chip did with the Power…. I think getting control of the 53 ended up being a big part of which job offer he accepted and if he felt the need to announce something so common, that most people would assume he had control over anyway, than it must have been a big reason for why he chose Miami over a team that wasn’t willing to give up that control (good chance it was probably us)

    You can’t attract a coach like COUGHLIN without giving him some power… But when you are talking atound a candidate who doesn’t have options because we are the only team interested in him like DP or Shurmur, a candidate like that would be more willing to give up control of the 53, and keep the assistant coaches HOWIE and LURIE want to keep to have an opportunity to coach his first NFL team

    But who the hell really knows..for all I know, COUGHLIN will be hired and we decide to make him as powerful as chip was (unlikely, but possible)…i think it’s most likely that the coach will be Doug P, Shurm or a combo of both

  43. 43 botto said at 8:25 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    why are we beating around the bush here. Hire Roseman as the coach and call it a franchise.

  44. 44 Telmert said at 8:29 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    It could happen but it wouldn’t make a lot of sense. DP comes here but has to accept Shurmur as OC and his offense to attract Sammy. Gets Fipp for ST, and has to hire a DC obviously. In that case, what does DP bring to the table? And if the new HC has only coaching responsibilities (no personnel) isn’t that the same as just hiring Shurmur?

  45. 45 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:21 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Not uncommon for a first time HC to have an OC with some experiemce to lean on…

  46. 46 Bob Brewer said at 5:33 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    I don’t know about a full roster rebuild, but I think a major transfusion is needed. So few impact players here, and too many overrated players.

  47. 47 The original AG said at 8:17 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Tommy these conversations aren’t helping. I’m more scared now than when Chip was fired. The feeling is going the uneasy way, and not the, “everything will be fine” way.

    I’m usually pretty optimistic, but right now I’m pretty scared about where this franchise is headed over the next couple of years.

  48. 48 holeplug said at 8:52 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    really? im the opposite. i was nervous as hell giving chip another offseason to throw more crazy $ at bad players and i can’t even imagine how badly Tom Condon would have taken Chip to the woodshed on the Bradford contract.

  49. 49 GENETiC-FREAK said at 8:19 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Pederson HC, Shurmur OC, Pettine DC, keep Undlin, Stoutland, Stoutland, Staley.. Yay or nay?

  50. 50 Bane said at 8:27 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    If instead of Stoutland twice you meant Fipp, and we keep Bradford, I’d say yay!

  51. 51 GENETiC-FREAK said at 8:29 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    My bad yip Fipp lol

  52. 52 kajomo said at 9:36 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Browns fans will tell you that Pettine was pig headed and continued to run a 3-4 when they had better 4-3 personell.

  53. 53 anon said at 1:31 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    best it’s goingto get probably.

  54. 54 Charlie Kelly said at 8:39 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Makes no sense why they havent tried to talk to Hue Jackson. kinda irks me TBH.

  55. 55 mark2741 said at 8:41 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    The guy must have a rep, or insiders are not exactly recommending him for some reason. There’s more to it.

  56. 56 Greg Richards said at 8:49 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    The Raiders started out 7-4 in his one year there, 2011 I think, but then finished 1-4 for an 8-8 record. In his season-ending PC, he threw his players under the bus instead of taking responsibility. He then said something to the effect of “It’s not going to go down like this again and I’m going to take a bigger voice in this organization.” This was after Al Davis, who was essentially Oakland’s GM, had passed away. He basically tried to take over personnel control because he didn’t think anyone could stop him. Then Mark Davis hired a real GM in Reggie McKenzie who quickly canned Jackson. I completely understand why the Eagles aren’t interested.

  57. 57 Charlie Kelly said at 8:51 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    idk, i remember not liking hue during that time period, but looking back i think he wanted control because al died and the GM was fired. nobody else was in place to take control.

  58. 58 ChoTime said at 10:08 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    “When President Ronald Reagan was shot on March 30, 1981, chaos ensued behind the scenes at the White House. With no real protocol in place for such a situation, everyone involved had to improvise and hope that everything would turn out right. In an attempt to keep everyone calm, Al Haig, Reagan’s Secretary of State, committed a PR faux pas — and showed a glaring lapse in basic knowledge of the Constitution — by telling the press that he was in charge while the President was in surgery”

  59. 59 Charlie Kelly said at 10:43 PM on January 11th, 2016:


  60. 60 JoeBlow said at 8:57 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    “I’m going to take a stronger hand in this team, the whole organization. There ain’t no way i’m going to feel like i do today, a year from now i promise you that. I promise you that. Offensively, Defensively and special teams. I ain’t feeling like this no more. This is a joke. I’m going to take a hand in everything that goes on here.”

    that’s the exact quote : ) This was after a winner-take-all divisional showdown with the Chargers, they lost 38-26

    just happened to be reading a small article on it when i saw your comment…….

  61. 61 myartz04 said at 9:01 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Who says that? SF has already said that if they hire him he will have a say in personell.

  62. 62 JoeBlow said at 9:34 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    I hadn’t heard about SF willing to grant JAckson that. Rapaport tweeted a few hours ago that Cleveland has already told Jackson he will have full personnel control if he wants it

  63. 63 myartz04 said at 10:10 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    I was wrong. It WAS Cleveland, not SF that said that.

  64. 64 Greg Richards said at 10:44 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    No, they’ve already said that Sashi Brown will have control of the 53-man roster. With Jackson, I think the deal is they’ll allow him to choose the personnel director(think Tom Donahoe).

  65. 65 JoeBlow said at 10:58 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Rap is saying Brown would be willing to give up control of the 53…..?

  66. 66 OregonDucker said at 10:29 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    There is an ethnic prejudice inherent in a predisposition of interviewees of a certain ethnic proclivity.

  67. 67 Charlie Kelly said at 10:42 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    theres something racist instilled in the tendency of the people they interviewed that a have certain ancestral, social, or cultural proneness?? what?? lol

  68. 68 OregonDucker said at 10:44 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Research and you will see; so said the blind man.

  69. 69 Charlie Kelly said at 10:47 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    research what??

  70. 70 ChoTime said at 11:12 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Hey dude, welcome!

  71. 71 D3FB said at 10:50 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Jews hate blacks?

    And therefore Howie and Lurie won’t hire a black man?

    Is that what you’re arguing here?

    Because if so… Jesus Christ thats a bad take

  72. 72 CrackSammich said at 11:05 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Had a lot of respect for you before. It’s gone.

    You want to make the argument that the Eagles staff is racist? Cool. I know you have more sources than most, and I’d still disagree with you, but cool. You want to make blanket statements about entire races and ethnicities? Fuck right off.

  73. 73 Telmert said at 8:39 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    I don’t think any of us has the key piece of information that you’d need to make the pick – who the coordinator would be on the other side of the ball. If Pederson or Shurmur has an old school lifer DC lined up (Jauron, etc.) that’s good. If either thinks Spagnuolo is their guy, move on. What would everyone’s position on DP be if in the interview he said Billy Davis should stay?

  74. 74 The original AG said at 8:41 PM on January 11th, 2016:

  75. 75 Greg Richards said at 8:46 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Good luck with the Chiefs, Doug.

  76. 76 myartz04 said at 8:52 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Doggie style.

  77. 77 Media Mike said at 5:01 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    I’d end the interview immediately and tell the candidate to leave.

  78. 78 eagleyankfan said at 7:36 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Y don’t u like Spags as a DC?

  79. 79 Telmert said at 6:24 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    In his last year as DC with NO (2012), he finished dead last in the NFL in yards. In his return to the position this year with the Giants, he finished dead last in the NFL in yards. Back to back last place finishes with two different teams. Not easy to do…

  80. 80 Donald Kalinowski said at 8:49 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    The Steelers were just as bad as the Bengals were on Saturday. Something is really up with that coaching staff. Tomlin trying to trip up Jacoby Jones, Joey Porter taunting the opposing defense, Mike Munchack grabbing Reggie Nelson’s hair. These guys are coaches, not 22 year olds.

  81. 81 laeagle said at 9:02 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    After that game, I’ve finally come to the realization that Pittsburgh is the “Big Ern” of the NFL. “And what a nice guy…”

  82. 82 JoeBlow said at 9:24 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    so did the Bengals get “Munsoned” ?

  83. 83 Charlie Kelly said at 8:50 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    i just want a guy who can develop a QB and who will get a us a true #1 WR who will put this group of skill players over the top!! And you know along with a good DC.

  84. 84 Dave said at 8:58 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    So basically you want it all…me too.

  85. 85 kajomo said at 9:34 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    I hope treadwell does not tear uo the combine because he’s the one guy that can transform our offense

  86. 86 Charlie Kelly said at 9:55 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    YUP!! Thats the guy i want!! Id trade up to secure him!!

  87. 87 kajomo said at 12:46 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    My big fear is him going to Dallas. Just seems like a Jerry move

  88. 88 Charlie Kelly said at 1:43 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    oh id hate that with a burning passion!!

    but id doubt theyd take him at #4 tho.. well i hope!!

  89. 89 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:19 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Dallas drafts Lynch or Goff… If they have any semblance of a brain, they will realize that Romos old crippled ass needs to start mentoring an eventual replacement…

  90. 90 Insomniac said at 10:05 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    I doubt he will. He’s too much of a diva.

  91. 91 kajomo said at 12:45 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    I havent heard of him as a Diva. Seems to be a hard working kid.

    Either way I dont care. We need talent and hopefully hire a coach that can manage a few special personsalities

  92. 92 daveH said at 8:54 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Clemson left tackle #78 .. keeper

  93. 93 JoeBlow said at 9:26 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Alabama LT #74 Cam Robinson is probably a future top 10 pick, he’s a SOPH now

  94. 94 daveH said at 10:38 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Checking him out now. . Preesh the insight

  95. 95 D3FB said at 10:47 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Completely shut down Dante Fowler last year as a freshman. Kid is a stud.

  96. 96 Tdoteaglefan said at 9:00 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Beautiful throw on that TD

  97. 97 Donald Kalinowski said at 9:12 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    What about Pete Carmichael, Jr.?
    He was Brees’ QB coach in 2006-08, and the Saints OC from 2009. Before that he was the Chargers coaching staff from 02 to 06.

  98. 98 RobNE said at 9:15 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    but did he coach a high school team?

  99. 99 Greg Richards said at 9:18 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Carmichael Jr. never gets any HC buzz despite the Saints having a good offense consistently. I think everyone just assumes it’s Payton/Brees. He seems comfortable there, but I think when his contract is up he should search out opportunities where he’s paired with a defensive HC and can run the offense on his own.

  100. 100 GermanEagle said at 9:13 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Ok. I want the Eagles to draft Watson next year!!

  101. 101 daveH said at 9:17 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Was 1 der ing if i should be thinking the same thing

  102. 102 RC5000 said at 9:17 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    So trade everyone for picks and future picks and bring Chip back?

  103. 103 Tdoteaglefan said at 9:18 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Yeah cant wait till chip gets him running the offense…oh wait

  104. 104 Tdoteaglefan said at 9:19 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Yeah this kids looked really good so far, havent seen enough of him to suggest we draft him and he seems a lil undersized. But hes been impressing me

  105. 105 RC5000 said at 9:34 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Nah he sucks now. I liked him a few minutes ago though!

  106. 106 Anders said at 3:32 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    We need 1st overall pick next year for chance at him

  107. 107 Media Mike said at 4:57 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    No thanks. 20 rushing attempts??????

  108. 108 Anders said at 5:01 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    What does his rushing attempts have to do with him also been a great passer? Guy passed for 405 yards and 4 TDs against one of the best defenses in college

  109. 109 Media Mike said at 5:05 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    If his proclivity is to run the ball 2 times for every 5 times he throws it; he’s too predisposed to run rather than pass.

    I don’t want to see that type of football. If you can guarantee me he’ll tone that garbage down in the NFL, I’ll be happy to discuss his merits as a passer.

  110. 110 Anders said at 5:07 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    I didnt watch the game, but a lot of his running is scripted and called, its not Mike Vick scramble around like headless chicken stuff

  111. 111 Media Mike said at 5:08 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Indeed they were; and his was lit up on a few of them. I think that type of football is the absolute worst.

  112. 112 Anders said at 5:14 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    But Watson is so good that hold the scripted runs to a minimum.

    Also do you think a guy like Alex Smith runs too much?

  113. 113 Media Mike said at 5:18 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    5+ attempts per game for Alex Smith is too many. So yes, Alex Smith is running too much. That stuff needs to be kept at no more than 50 on a 16 game schedule.

  114. 114 Anders said at 5:26 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    That is around Rodgers or Luck territory. I 100% think Watson can easily be kept down to that with maybe a single scripted run per game and a few scrambles

  115. 115 Honest_T said at 7:41 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Russell Wilson won a playoff game this weekend because of that scrambling ability. Watson will be fun to watch in the NFL.

  116. 116 Anders said at 7:48 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Yep, just sadly he wont be an Eagle unless next season goes horrible and he declares

  117. 117 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:17 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    With chip gone, I don’t even want to hear about a running QB for at least 5 years

  118. 118 Anders said at 8:32 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Watson isnt a running QB, he is a real QB who is also able to move.

  119. 119 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:29 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    I’ll roll with Bradford thank you very much

  120. 120 Anders said at 9:30 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    I much rather have Watson than Bradford

  121. 121 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:31 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    No Thanks… But to each his own

  122. 122 johhnyblaze said at 9:37 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    I really don’t blame Joey Porter, wasn’t exactly professional but…… Those were veteran players that were warned what he would do and still fell for it, even with the season on the line, it just showed the lack of discipline with those players, not smart on their part knowing what he would pull

  123. 123 Insomniac said at 9:58 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    When emotions are running high, how do you account for what Porter does? He’s not supposed to be on the field in the first place. How you defend his actions is retarded.

  124. 124 johhnyblaze said at 10:02 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    He was wrong no doubt, I’m not defending him but I’m not appalled like must people are, no one seems to hold cincy players accountable. I get the whole emotional deal but you can’t take the bait, especially when you’ve been told what he’d he’d try. But yes he should be punished according to the rules

  125. 125 Insomniac said at 10:09 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Nope. Why is it that streakers get slammed by players and yet no one cares? They and coaches that aren’t the HC shouldn’t be on the field on the first place.

  126. 126 Gary Barnes said at 9:37 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Hue Jackson would still be my favorite and the Eagles do not even have him on their radar, strange.

    On Coughlin, I think a lot of folks are in willful denial. The Giants for years have been one of the sloppiest, most mistake-prone, undisciplined and penalty-ridden teams in the league. Just in the games vs the Eagles alone, Coughlin and his team made a wide array of head scratching decisions, turnovers and errors. Coughlin would always talk tough afterwards, but it would never get fixed.

    Then add in the reality Coughlin seemed overwhelmed many times in recent years – he did not know Beckham was committing personal fouls for 3 quarters until after the game? He did not know that Eli had directed Jennings not to score vs Dallas and that Eli then threw a pass OB to stop the clock? Where was he? Sorry, but age does matter and we should want a HC who can be here for years and build a successful and sustainable program.

  127. 127 RC5000 said at 10:26 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    They have collapsed a lot in 4th Q but they don’t have a lot of talent.

    Look at their 3rd-7th rounders for last 5 years and even further. Best picks Beckham, Prince A, Hankins, Flowers, Richburg, Hosley and a lot of dreck :

    Giants have been

    9th, 11th, and 9th lowest # penalties last 3 years.
    11th, 16th and 2nd (tie) lowest penalty yards last 3 years.
    Tied for 2nd lowest penalty yards this season.

  128. 128 OregonDucker said at 10:40 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Hue has no chance. There is an unsaid prejudice that precludes him from having a chance with this cabal.

  129. 129 RobNE said at 10:45 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Good to see you! Hope you are well/better. Despite no Chip going forward I hope you stick with us. There’s no pay and likely no glory.

  130. 130 OregonDucker said at 10:47 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Thanks RobNE. The meds have kicked in tonight and I am on a roll… Maybe its the whisky kicker but who knows.

  131. 131 Anders said at 2:39 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Some of the “prejudice” is Hue Jackson doing two things you do not do as HC. Call out your entire team after a loss and putting all the blame on the players and trying to grab power that isnt yours.

  132. 132 ICDogg said at 4:08 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Yeah, I read about that yesterday. That’s a real bad sign

  133. 133 CrackSammich said at 11:00 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    I know you generally have more sources than the rest of us, but are you suggesting it’s a race thing?

    Hue Jackson has come across as way too immature to run a team in every interaction I’ve seen of him. Glad he wasn’t considered.

  134. 134 Joe Minx said at 9:46 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Rational Eagles talk & now American military history?

    Thank you, sir. I’ve learned something today.

  135. 135 Tdoteaglefan said at 9:49 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Shaq lawson with 2 sacks so far

  136. 136 Media Mike said at 4:56 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    And Lawson stayed on his typical side all day and kept battling Bama’s LT.

    Ogbah from Ok State is usually a RDE, but he switched sides in the bowl game to duck Tunsil. Please remind Giants fans of this when they draft Ogbah.

  137. 137 LAEaglesFan said at 10:06 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Bye bye redskanks!

  138. 138 mg1313 said at 10:17 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    The only way I can imagine hiring Coughlin is if McAdoo comes over too and takes over the job in a couple of years. Really, I don’t see much of a point hiring Coughlin at all.

  139. 139 BreakinAnklez said at 10:38 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Tommy- how much credit do you think is Guenther and how much is Marvin Lewis?

  140. 140 anon said at 11:04 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    What does Gus bradley’s defense look like? ATL’s defense?

  141. 141 BreakinAnklez said at 11:32 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Gus Bradley’s is awful…Atlanta’s is middle of the road…not sure where you’re going unless because Pete Carroll’s guys have failed, Lewis’ will as well? Zimmer looks good in Minny.

  142. 142 Greg Richards said at 10:46 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Jason La Canfora

    1h1 hour ago

    Eagles not planning any more HC interviews as of now. Will regroup after owner’s meetings. Pederson among those who impressed them

    Jason La Canfora

    51m51 minutes ago

    To be clear on Eagles, could be second interviews with candidates but was informed nothing was planned with new candidates



  143. 143 anon said at 11:04 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    yeah clear to me they weren’t really into that second tier. Think if no Gase originally they were going Shurmur, think Reid pushed Pederson hard and Caughlin sort of undeniable b/c of rings.

  144. 144 Greg Richards said at 11:16 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    We’ll see what happens. We’re all expecting Pederson now, but seeing as the expected never happens with the Eagles I think it will be someone else.

  145. 145 jaws80 said at 11:19 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    probably a concise description of what happened, nothing exciting, just as you said.

  146. 146 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:15 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Fingers crossed it will be Shurm

  147. 147 Telmert said at 6:22 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Totally agree. I looked back to 2013 – Shurmur was hired 4 days after Kelly. I’ve seen articles where Howie said the insisted on experienced NFL guys as lead coordinators. With that requirement, that short time frame, and the agreement to have Kelly’s guy (Gamble) in the front office, it seems plausible that Shurmur was Lurie/Howie’s guy on Chip’s staff. If true, it obviously makes him a more likely candidate for them.

  148. 148 Insomniac said at 10:46 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    It’s going to be interesting if Deshaun Watson will develop. Right now he looks like Stephen Morris.

  149. 149 RC5000 said at 10:56 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Saban going to have a heart attack.

  150. 150 RC5000 said at 11:26 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    OT but interesting…

    Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 1h

    Lot of the Chargers and Raiders brass eating together watching Nat’l Champ game at the hotel here in Houston where LA mtgs taking place

    LA relocation committee meeting with Roger Goodell ongoing. Expectation is they recommend one of 3 proposals by the AM before full meeting..

    Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 1h1 hour ago

    The Jerry Jones proposal for Rams/chargers in Inglewood seems to be gaining steam

  151. 151 JoeBlow said at 11:34 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Bama’s kicker coming up huge

  152. 152 Nick C said at 11:35 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Something we should’ve seen from “big balls chip”

  153. 153 Greg Richards said at 11:38 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    MediaMike – Please take a deep breath before you read this.

    I wasn’t buying the NFL conspiracy theory in the Bengals-Steelers game, but I did just see this:

    Peter Schaffer

    1m1 minute ago

    Denver, CO

    The ref calling penalty on @REALPACMAN24 (not Joey Porter) was Buddy Horton. Ref’s brother Ray Porter = Joey Porter’s NFL coach. #WhoDey

    1 retweet


  154. 154 Insomniac said at 11:44 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    I think this needs some more explanation. Where’s the connection?

  155. 155 Greg Richards said at 11:52 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    It seems to be saying that the ref’s brother coached Porter in the NFL. Not sure if the ref’s brother would be related to Porter or if that was just a coincidence. Doing a google search though, I can’t find a Ray Porter that coached for the Steelers. I did find a free-lance writer with that name that coverd the Steelers as well as other Pittsburgh teams.

  156. 156 Insomniac said at 12:40 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Yea that’s what confused me. I couldn’t find anything for Ray Porter so that’s why I asked.

  157. 157 ACViking said at 11:54 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Ray Horton, the official’s brother apparently, was Joey Porter’s coach — D-coordinator — when both were with AZ in 2010-11. Ray Horton was also a DB coach for the Stelers earlier in Porter’s career.

  158. 158 Greg Richards said at 11:55 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Oh, okay, he just screwed up by calling him Ray Porter. Yeah, that’s some BS then. There’s enough refs available that the NFL shouldn’t have let someone with a conflict of interest like that officiate the game.

  159. 159 ACViking said at 11:55 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Triple bank shot

  160. 160 kevinlied said at 6:22 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    I don’t see the problem. There’s not an actual conflict of interest unless the ref (and not his brother) holds Porter in high enough esteem to act in his interests. Besides, my sense is most of these refs get jobs based on some connection to the league. Those refs who do have connections are, by degrees of separation connected to many, many more people in the NFL. Take Horton. There have to be other former players of his on teams in some capacity. Should the league wall his brother off from all games in which a former Horton player plays or coaches?

  161. 161 Ark87 said at 10:25 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    seems like a tremendously flimsy connection. Did the ref live with his bro and his bro had his players over all the time and they lit up and made blood pacts and…no?

    Maybe he would struggle to be unbiased if it were his brother, but to go crooked for a guy that your brother used to work with, and neither your brother nor you stand to gain anything from, yeah I’m sorry. If poor officiating was some kind of aberration in this league, maybe. But there’s nothing there.

  162. 162 Insomniac said at 12:36 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Ahhh the Ray Porter part threw me off so much.

  163. 163 Media Mike said at 4:54 AM on January 12th, 2016:


  164. 164 Greg Richards said at 11:44 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    What round is O.J. Howard projected to go in?

  165. 165 RC5000 said at 11:44 PM on January 11th, 2016:


  166. 166 Greg Richards said at 12:03 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Maybe the 1st after what he did tonight.

  167. 167 Insomniac said at 11:47 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    Looks kinda skinny for a TE.

  168. 168 JoeBlow said at 11:49 PM on January 11th, 2016:

    6’6″ 245… of the few willing blockers in this draft

  169. 169 Insomniac said at 12:38 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Where are you getting 245? Most sites list him 242. That’s like 2 pounds heavier than Kelvin Benjamin in college.

  170. 170 kajomo said at 12:48 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    He is a good blocker though. You dont get on the field for Saban at TE unless you block. He has the frame to put on size.

  171. 171 Mitchell said at 9:36 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Maybe the 242 was after he took a dump… Its 3 lbs.

  172. 172 Insomniac said at 4:08 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    So that’s about a regular lunch down south..sounds right.

  173. 173 D3FB said at 10:42 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Most have him 2nd or 3rd. Although some have him top 40. It’s really about traits (amazing) vs production (minimal).

    He could go 25 or 75 and I wouldn’t be surprised either way.

  174. 174 Greg Richards said at 12:06 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    It’d never happen here, but anyone think Saban might consider going to the NFL now or take a year off? Nothing left to prove on college level.

  175. 175 Eagle Talon said at 1:07 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Why would Saban want to leave Alabama. He owns Tuscaloosa. He makes almost 7 million / year. And that $$$ goes a hell of a lot further in Alabama then it does in the Philly Tri-State area.

  176. 176 Anders said at 2:18 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Because for a coach like Saban, its not about money but challenges.

  177. 177 Eagle Talon said at 2:40 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    I suppose. He is living the dream, though. He is 64 years old, a fixture in the community, and owns a sweet spot on the lake. Getting Paid and being a Rock Star. It ultimately will come down to What his Wife wants.. Besides, he already quit an NFL job and left his team high and dry. I don’t trust him, do You?

  178. 178 Anders said at 2:42 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    I wouldnt want him and maybe he loves the college life.

  179. 179 TypicalDouche said at 7:54 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    He clearly wasn’t up to the challenge the first time around.

  180. 180 Anders said at 8:11 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    neither was Pete Carroll or Bill Belichick

  181. 181 eagleyankfan said at 8:14 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Wasn’t Pete Carroll forced from college during a scandal? I always wonder if he would have left if he wasn’t going to get in trouble…

  182. 182 Anders said at 8:31 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    He wasnt forced to leave.

  183. 183 eagleyankfan said at 8:33 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    “forced” — no — if he stayed – he would have been penalized and maybe suspended. So, no he wasn’t forced – but he left to avoid penalties….

  184. 184 A Roy said at 11:30 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    He was one step ahead of the NCAA posse.

  185. 185 TypicalDouche said at 8:33 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Except those guys didn’t bitch out on their teams like Saban did.

  186. 186 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:27 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    I have a hard time believing a guy with 5 college Championships is driven by Challenges..
    A person Truley driven by challenges probably wouldn’t spend years coaching a team that will almost never lose more than 1 game per year….
    Dominant college coaches spend the majority of their lives coaching in games where the score is like 40-24, never losing more than 1 gane per year …not exactly that big of a challenge. …. This man gets the best most stacked recruiting classes every year, and basically, he has won a championship with every single recruiting class since on average he wins about one Championsjip every 4 years…

    The most stacked recruiting class every yeàr built off his reputation
    Coaching a sport where half your wins are non competitive Blowouts, in a league where he almost never loses more than 1 game a year…. Hard to view this as,CHALLENGE DRIVEN…. You want a challenge? Go coach in the NFL where every game is decided by the smallest margins, and where He risks losing more games in one season than his entire alabama career combined…. THATS challenge Driven!
    There is a saying in Italy.. “TI Piace Vincere Facile” aka You like to win easy….. Seems more of the Saban mantra, then Saban being challenge driven
    It may have been a challenge to get alabama to this point, but by now his reputation has that program on Auto Pilot

    Doubt Saban is going to the Pro’s…. Think it’s more likely he breaks Bear Bryant’s record and spends the rest of his career as an Alabama Demi God in his nice Coushy role as King of the NCAA castle

  187. 187 Dave said at 9:15 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    He would only come if somebody could guarantee him a top 5 draft class every year with a top three pick every year. That’s what he is getting now at Alabama. It’s a lot easier to coach and win when you have the best players.

  188. 188 ChoTime said at 12:35 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Yeah, I just don’t get the love for the guy. It’s like a Bush becoming president–hardly even a challenge, is it?

  189. 189 ChoTime said at 9:05 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    They probably treat their Tide like royalty down there in Bama.

  190. 190 Baloophi said at 12:36 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Reading about Raymond Spruance sent me down the following educational rabbit hole:
    Doolittle Raid. Air raid on Tokyo in early 1942 devised as psychological retaliation for Pearl Harbor. B-25B bombers were retrofitted to take-off from aircraft carriers but were too big to land on them, so they all crashed in China after the mission. Amazingly, 77 out of 80 crew members survived.
    Wagner Field. Airfield in the Florida panhandle where training for the Doolittle Raid took place. They painted lines on the runways to mimic the length of carrier decks and practice short take-off distances.
    Operation Credible Sport. The abandoned second rescue operation for the American hostages held in Iran in 1980. It entailed attaching rockets to a C-130 plane so that it could both land and takeoff in the limited space of a soccer stadium across the street from the embassy where the hostages were held.
    Operation Eagle Claw. The first, aborted rescue attempt for the hostages held in Iran in 1980 that ended in disaster when a helicopter crashed into a plane in a remote, makeshift desert airstrip. The complicated, two-night operation was largely undone by a…
    Haboob. Not what I was expecting, a “haboob” is an intense dust storm common in arid areas… like the Arabian peninsula, Arizona, and Mad Max Australia.

  191. 191 ChoTime said at 9:03 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    We do indeed have haboobs here in Arizona. I am not sure when we started calling dust storms that name. Kind of an odd linguistic shift.

    Argo: this movie dramatizes the rescue of 6 diplomats from Tehran. The rescuers pretended to be making a science fiction movie and used that as their cover story.

  192. 192 anon said at 1:23 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    no antonio brown — steelers don’t have a chance.

  193. 193 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:12 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    That sucks, great matchup ruined because of dirty scum Bengals

  194. 194 Sean Stott said at 12:54 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Probably no Roethlisberger either.

  195. 195 Eagles News: New York writers think Tom Coughlin makes sense for Philadelphia - said at 6:10 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    […] Monday Coaching Update – Iggles BlitzOn Sunday the Eagles interviewed Doug Pederson in KC. I wrote a detailed piece explaining why he could be a good fit for the Eagles. Some of you asked why I didn’t deal more with his faults. I feel like those issues are fairly obvious. I was more interested in why the Eagles see him as a good candidate. That was the bigger challenge. One aspect of Pederson that bothers people is that other teams are not talking to him. That is a fair concern. But you are also missing the point to look at it that way. Pederson is a candidate for the Eagles because they know him. He played and coached for the Eagles. They have a knowledge of him that other teams don’t. I recently wrote a post that told the story of how Mike Krzyzewski got the job at Duke. If it wasn’t for the recommendation of Bob Knight, Coach K would not have even been a candidate. Going strictly by resume, Duke was crazy to hire Krzyzewski. […]

  196. 196 eagleyankfan said at 7:42 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    That Coughlin interview seemed odd. Any chance it was for a GM position? It couldn’t have been to pick his brain. Pick his brain for what? The Eagles beat them like a little bitch each year.
    I’m not a fan of ‘oh, we know him and we’re comfortable with him so he should be our next coach’. I guess if HR wants a puppet, that’s a good choice.
    Is that the direction this team is going – the separation of GM and HC? I don’t mind it if the right GM and right coach is in place. People commented that Coughlin and HR would never get a long. I don’t understand that because Coughlin never has a rift with management. If he does, it’s quiet and in house. I’m not see the evidence that those 2 would blow up. (doesn’t mean I want Coughlin)

  197. 197 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:08 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    No chance that it was for the GM job, because the GM is Roseman, and the guy they hire will be Maryowitz replacement

  198. 198 eagleyankfan said at 8:09 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    That’s what I thought too. Just trying to make sense of why to even bring him in….

  199. 199 Howie Littlefinger said at 4:42 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    HR “How on EARTH Did Bill Davis shut you out?”


  200. 200 eagleyankfan said at 8:07 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Have the Eagles interviewed Teryl Austin? PFT says they did. I must have missed any write up on him….

  201. 201 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:10 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    I don’t think so… My latest understanding is that whille we still have a few names on our “list”(Austin, Koeter, Guenther) yet we don’t have any more interviews scheduled… No idea what that means, but they have to take a break from the search to go vote on relocation to LA today

  202. 202 eagleyankfan said at 8:12 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    from profootballtalk “Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that the Titans are set to interview Lions defensive coordinator Teryl Austin. Austin has been a busy man since coaching searches started around the league. He’s interviewed with the Giants, Browns, Eagles and Dolphins already.” — (I’m never a fan of this site anyway – but found it funny)

  203. 203 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:25 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Then I guess he was interviewed on Thurday maybe?

  204. 204 anon said at 8:40 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    birds have generally been announcing when they talk to people, no mention of austin

  205. 205 peteike said at 10:46 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    cmon man, you paste the Eagles in that quote?

    Heres the quote straight from PFT

    “Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that the Titans are set to interview
    Lions defensive coordinator Teryl Austin. Austin has been a busy man
    since coaching searches started around the league. He’s also interviewed
    with the Giants, Browns and Dolphins.”

  206. 206 eagleyankfan said at 1:49 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Don’t be a dick. No I didn’t.

  207. 207 peteike said at 2:28 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    okay, someone did then

  208. 208 RobNE said at 8:27 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    why wouldn’t we schedule interviews for after the owners’ meetings? That means the most likely new HC is someone they interviewed, so it’s likely Shurmer, Pederson, McAdoo or Coughlin.

  209. 209 eagleyankfan said at 8:29 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    I think they will and they might even have some scheduled – we just have no knowledge of it…

  210. 210 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:52 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    The report that I saw says we still have a few names on our “List” but that we haven’t scheduled interviews with these candidates and that we don’t have anything else scheduled for this week… That can change, maybe they schedule something for Thurs and Friday? But there is also a possibility that they feel as tho they are done with the first round of interviews and will start scheduling second interviews when they get back from the owners voting on relocation….. However, if it’s true that Doug P sits at the top of our wish list, won’t we have to wait for KC to lose to interview him a 2nd time?
    If they don’t intterview the guys still on their list like Koetter and Guenther, I would think that they already interviewed our next HC, but who knows what’s really going on…

  211. 211 anon said at 8:56 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    forgot we can’t “move” on pederson until they lose.

  212. 212 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:14 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Yup, an annoying Problem… But because of this issue, if we see a 5 day stretch where no candidates are being interviewed, then it’s probably safe to assume that they are just waiting for KC to lose to announce Our new coach

  213. 213 Bleeding Green Nation :: Eagles News: New York writers think Tom Coughlin makes sense for Philadelphia - Rainy Monster said at 8:40 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    […] Monday Coaching Update – Iggles BlitzOn Sunday the Eagles interviewed Doug Pederson in KC. I wrote a detailed piece explaining why he could be a good fit for the Eagles. Some of you asked why I didn’t deal more with his faults. I feel like those issues are fairly obvious. I was more interested in why the Eagles see him as a good candidate. That was the bigger challenge. One aspect of Pederson that bothers people is that other teams are not talking to him. That is a fair concern. But you are also missing the point to look at it that way. Pederson is a candidate for the Eagles because they know him. He played and coached for the Eagles. They have a knowledge of him that other teams don’t. I recently wrote a post that told the story of how Mike Krzyzewski got the job at Duke. If it wasn’t for the recommendation of Bob Knight, Coach K would not have even been a candidate. Going strictly by resume, Duke was crazy to hire Krzyzewski. […]

  214. 214 ICDogg said at 8:58 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    Pederson is Shurmur. Shurmer is Pederson. FINKLE IS EINHORN

  215. 215 peteike said at 10:37 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    maybe they interviewed Coughlin to get a feel for McAdoo because that is their top guy at this point? Sounds like Tommy will like any guy they choose. All good, Im not going to get too upset with whoever since its pretty much an unknown to how it will translate. Would be nice if they interviewed a few more defensive names like Guenther and Austin

  216. 216 laeagle said at 2:18 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I don’t get this whole notion that they set up an interview with Coughlin to talk about McAdoo. They met McAdoo. If they had questions about him, they could handle it with a phone call to Coughlin.

    And what would happen if they still did set up a meeting to talk about McAdoo? How would that go?

    TOM: OK, here’s my idea of what you–
    JEFF: Whoa, slow down there for a second, we’re just getting started.
    HOWIE: Yeah, let’s take a moment. Before we get into YOUR plan, we had a couple of questions about this “Ben” guy…
    TOM: [red face]

  217. 217 anon said at 2:26 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    reports were that tom talked to lurie before meeting the larger staff.

  218. 218 laeagle said at 2:28 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Right, so why have a meeting with the whole staff unless you’re an actual coaching candidate? I just think the idea that they met for hours to talk about someone else is ridiculous.

  219. 219 peteike said at 2:29 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    probably right, only they wouldnt ask directly of course. Only get a feel for their system/scheme/outlook by hours long interview

  220. 220 laeagle said at 2:31 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Again, I think for any intelligent human, it would be very apparent after a long meeting that they weren’t interested in you. And I just don’t think anyone would waste their time with that, on either side.

    Note that I’m not calling you out on this. The narrative of the Coughlin meeting about McAdoo is something coming from the press at large. So I’m attacking it through you…

  221. 221 peteike said at 4:04 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    all good. I just thought of it the other day but you make a logical point for sure, its doubtful. I also am starting to think the reports coming out about them liking Pederson are legit, now seems like several source, even Clayton on the radio apparently

  222. 222 myartz04 said at 11:18 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    And Kempski is back to bashing Bradford again. Tiresome act if you ask me.

  223. 223 GermanEagle said at 11:49 AM on January 12th, 2016:

    His bias against Bradford is comical. What a clown Jimmy has become.

  224. 224 Iskar36 said at 12:06 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I know you hate Kempski, but he has been right WAAAAY more than he has been wrong. Sure, he often has unpopular opinions, but to me, that makes what he says even more worth listening to, even if you disagree, just to hear the counter argument. A lot of people are putting a ton of faith onto 1, Bradford’s talent level and 2, his durability. I don’t think either one is a sure thing, so even if you are pro-bringing back Bradford, it is worth acknowledging the fact that he hasn’t proven to be a top level QB.

  225. 225 P_P_K said at 12:08 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I like what you say about Kempski and about Bradford. I can see Sam’s career going in a mutltude of ways. I’d hate to see the Eagles bet thier future on Sam by giving him a huge contract or by dumping him. I’m in favor of franchising him and take the year to look long and hard at him and his health.

  226. 226 GermanEagle said at 12:20 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Fine with me. 🙂

  227. 227 myartz04 said at 12:18 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    It’s easy to root against everyone. In the NFL, that’s called playing the odds because sure things are so few and far between. It’s bad journalism. He’s the dickhead at the casino playing the don’t come line and cheering everytime someone rolls a 7.

  228. 228 peteike said at 12:21 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Pick your poison between these fluff pieces and Kempskis hard lines.Thats a funny analogy though, props. I think I just get the negative stuff more after this last season. May have been first Eagles football that was actually hard to watch and turned off games. I thought it was a good gamble on Chip just may have set them back a bit at this point.

  229. 229 anon said at 12:23 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    team was terrible personnel wise from years of bad drafting. we keep taking about getting a qb but this franchise hasnt drafted a decent one since mcnabb. look at the qb that howie draft.

  230. 230 myartz04 said at 12:27 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    If banging the “everyone sucks” drum and drawing stick figures is considered a “hard line opinion” then I really don’t know what to say. Writing fluff is just as bad as what he’s doing.

  231. 231 peteike said at 1:06 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    but maybe they do all suck, this cast of options this particular offseason? Im right with you though on the everything sucks people, they end up right most of the time just because the odds stack that way.

  232. 232 GermanEagle said at 12:21 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Yeah, let’s throw shit against the wall and see what sticks.

    Do you remember that Jimmy had the Eagles predicting to go to the NFCCG after their pre-season?!

  233. 233 ChoTime said at 12:37 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    It’s the hobby on this board to complain about Kempski as if he is responsible for the crappy level of the Eagles.

  234. 234 Iskar36 said at 12:43 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    That’s the part I don’t get. Personally, I think Kempski is the perfect guy to read to get a different perspective from what Tommy writes. But, fine, if you don’t like his writing, that’s your preference and I don’t really care who others read. What I don’t get is why at least once a week people come here to bash Kempski? Just stop reading his stuff if you don’t like it?!

  235. 235 ChoTime said at 12:56 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Different ways of being a fan. One way is like chauvanistic patriotism, where you if you criticize anything about the country, you’re a traitor. Thus the constant stream of invective against the guys writing these free articles and giving out information that would otherwise not be available. _If_ they have the wrong opinion. On the other hand, some people like to hear different perspectives because it may lead them closer to the truth.

  236. 236 Iskar36 said at 1:03 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Very well said.

  237. 237 Ark87 said at 1:30 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Jimmy likes to challenge common narratives, or fill in skipped over observations that are inconvenient for a narrative. So if you subscribe to said common narratives, and have a low tolerance for other points of view…well Jimmy is public enemy #1. Funny thing is no one ever takes on the task of showing why they think he is wrong, or explaining why his logic is “idiotic”.

    And he’s not even necessarily negative all the time, for example, after Chip got fired, everything was quotes (most unsourced) talking crap about him go with the narrative that Chip lost the locker room. Jimmy puts an article out about the players who still liked him, or had something nice to say.

  238. 238 kajomo said at 1:37 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I dont dislike Jimmy at all, but he does come off as a guy looking for clicks.

    I think JK is a good at reporting. He was the first to say DJax was out of town. Same with Kelly. He’s boken other stories too. But reporting is what he shoudk stick too.

    Tell us about what is going on, what players or coaches say, etc. He is not a analyst yet he tries to be one. It is in these instances that JK often takes the unpopular view just to be different. Anyone with at least 1 eye could see that Bradford was playing well the second half of the season. Jimmy acts like he was hot garbage. He can twist whatever words or stats he wants, when you watched Sam play most of us felt bad for him due to the lack of talent around him.

  239. 239 Ark87 said at 2:11 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I’m sympathetic to Bradford’s efforts this season. But I think the discussion depends on how you set the table. Start from the point of him being a free agent. You could see a team like Houston giving him the Alex Smith treatment.

    So it’s not about “did Sam play well in 2016.” Because I think he played pretty well and I’d like to see more. But did he play so well it overrides all his past history, injuries included? Are you convinced that that he’s The Guy. Because that’s likely the decision at hand. A critical eye is exactly what you need in these situations.

  240. 240 laeagle said at 2:14 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I’ve actually always enjoyed Jimmy’s writing. Still do.

    But he has become a bit more of a click-whore of late. It’s one thing to make a statement about whether or not you feel Bradford is a good direction to go. It’s another to keep on and on about it in a very petulant way. That sort of stubborn bitchiness is why I can’t stand Mike Florio, for example.

    So, he raises interesting arguments, and if he were just writing articles, it would be one thing. But his Twitter persona has morphed into something else, and it’s distasteful.

    As others said above, his reporting on certain things has been good. Analysis is another story.

  241. 241 BlindChow said at 3:25 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I agree, I enjoy his overall oeuvre, but his tone in his articles has become very antagonistic.

    It’s less about giving his opinion/analysis and more about telling others why they are morons.

  242. 242 myartz04 said at 12:15 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    He acts like the guy has never made a good pass.

  243. 243 Howie Littlefinger said at 4:49 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I just watched 10 minutes of Eagles drops2015, now way anybody reasonable can blame Bradford. The throwing talent is there

    I do worry about durability but nothing he can do to dispel that but keep playing.

  244. 244 A Roy said at 12:30 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Some is funny. Some is spot on. It’s just he has to be a clickwhore to keep his gig.

  245. 245 mksp said at 1:02 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    He was one of the first beat writers to suggest that Chip Kelly *should* be fired, and predicted it would be possible.

    He’s been right more than wrong when it comes to these things.

  246. 246 kajomo said at 1:29 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    He’s been right with reporting, not analysis

  247. 247 Ark87 said at 1:32 PM on January 12th, 2016:


  248. 248 kajomo said at 1:47 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Example of reporting: DJax getting cut/attempted trade

    Example of analysis: Most people want the eagles to re-sign Bradford because he played well the 2nd half of the season, so I’ll say he sucks. He talks about how overpaying Bradford would be a mistake, but fails to look at what this team would like without a decent QB

  249. 249 TypicalDouche said at 1:58 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    He has also stated that he doesn’t think it is in a new HC’s or the team’s best interest to lock Bradford up to an expensive deal and thinks a rookie QB is the best route the organization should go. That is a god point but there are arguments to made about resigning and not resigning him.

  250. 250 peteike said at 2:30 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    which makes some sense imo

  251. 251 TypicalDouche said at 2:32 PM on January 12th, 2016:


  252. 252 mksp said at 11:57 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    The analysis was prior to the reporting.

  253. 253 lcwboyboy said at 2:24 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I feel like Elliot Shor-Parks has been far more critical of Bradford then Kempski has.

  254. 254 ChoTime said at 3:58 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Hey guys, 24/7 is looking for an intern!
    “The candidate will help Tim and Josh update the site, work on special projects and assist with social media. Motivated interns may have opportunities to produce original content, but this is not a writing internship. The ideal candidate will be extremely detail-oriented and have experience in online journalism. Deep knowledge of the Eagles and the NFL is a must.”

    Sounds like a pretty thankless and numeratively unrewarding job. I guarantee if one of you guys does this for a year, you’ll stop b___hing about “the media”!

  255. 255 Greg Richards said at 12:23 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Coughlin is interviewing with the 49ers today.

  256. 256 anon said at 12:29 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    gotta be pederson. not making a move on any of the guys that have others showing interest

  257. 257 scratcherk said at 12:31 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    sure is looking like it.

  258. 258 ChoTime said at 12:52 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    OT: At least I got my Spurs. Arguing about Bradford is like arguing about Carmelo Anthony.

  259. 259 scratcherk said at 12:54 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    moved to charlotte this year so im fully on the panthers bandwagon. woot!

  260. 260 ChoTime said at 12:57 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Heh, ran into a bunch of Clemson folk over the weekend here in Arizona. They were nice people, but man I do not miss living in Columbia. The South is… the South.

  261. 261 ChoTime said at 1:03 PM on January 12th, 2016:

  262. 262 anon said at 2:32 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Not only is Cleveland without a pro title…but Browns once had Saban & Belichick on same staff— Doug Kezirian (@DougESPN) January 12, 2016

  263. 263 peteike said at 2:32 PM on January 12th, 2016:


  264. 264 ACViking said at 2:48 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    No Super Bowl.

    Won NFL title in ’64, defeating Shula’s Colts 27-0.

  265. 265 Mac said at 3:32 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    The Baltimore Browns have a couple titles.

  266. 266 Tdoteaglefan said at 2:50 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    So we officially get a 5th round pick from pittsburgh for the boykin trade

  267. 267 Fufina said at 2:54 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Think one of the things people forget is how good Sheppard looked preseason before his injury… he made Boykin expendable both in the short and long term.

  268. 268 ChoTime said at 2:56 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    A lot of stuff looked good in the preseason. Enough that I changed from my 8-9 win prediction to more like 13!!!

  269. 269 anon said at 3:02 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    drafted all the eagles on my fantasy team. Lurie did too I guess, no wonder chip got fired

  270. 270 peteike said at 3:30 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I ended up with the 10th pick in my 10 team draft. I was all pissed and during the draft another Eagles fan kept snagging the guys I wanted ahead of me. I ended up winning the league so it worked out. Ill never complain about picking last again, maybe never be homer with picks either

  271. 271 anon said at 3:45 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Didn’t pick shady/djax in 2013, didnt pick mac in 2014, wasn’t going to be wrong again….

  272. 272 Howie Littlefinger said at 4:54 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    So no Eagles next year for u right, right?

  273. 273 anon said at 5:07 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    prob. not.

  274. 274 ChoTime said at 3:47 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    lol at that image!

  275. 275 ChoTime said at 3:49 PM on January 12th, 2016:

  276. 276 ACViking said at 3:06 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    mini-camp stuff

    no games

    and even the games (which he missed) turned out to be fool’s gold for the fans

    too soon to tell . . . but his draft tape still looks better than his slot

  277. 277 Tdoteaglefan said at 3:08 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    yeah it was a shame we were unable to see him play this year. Looking forward to seeing more of him and Couplin this offseason

  278. 278 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:33 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Unfortunately he got hurt on August 2nd, so No one ever got to see how he looked in the preseason, but allegedly coaches sounded Like they were pretty high on him. They play different positions so it’s not a fair comparison, but it sounded like JaCorey was even ahead of Death ROWE in terms of their development at the start of camp.
    Who knows, the GM who drafted Boykin is back in power and his value is probably at an all time low…
    mathis is on an expiring Contract
    Desean might get cut…. Any chance Roseman puts his middle fingers up at Chip and brings back his players that chip got rid of? Lol

  279. 279 Ark87 said at 3:02 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Seems like both teams would have been better off without the trade.

  280. 280 anon said at 3:02 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    then we lose boykin fornothering. I mean he did nada in pitt, he was passable last year.

  281. 281 Ark87 said at 3:39 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    The options are trade him or resign him, not trade him or get nothing like everyone has repeated non-stop. We ended up with Maragos and Reynolds on the field for a few too many snaps because our best 2 nickel CB’s were also our best 2 safeties. Because why? A rookie who we had on the practice field for all of 2 months looked good in shorts?

  282. 282 anon said at 3:44 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    “The options are trade him or resign him” — Chip made it clear he wasn’t resigning him. He was planning to stay in base / boykin not be on the field. But that’s not what happened and so Jenkins played slot corner. In hindsight maybe you keep Boykin, but he wouldn’t save the season and we wouldn’t have the pick, which looks like it’s basically a 6th.

  283. 283 Ark87 said at 3:46 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    “Chip made it clear he wasn’t resigning him.”
    My problem from the day it happened. That was no hindsight.

  284. 284 anon said at 3:48 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Boykin wanted to play outside. He’d be at most a slot corner / gunner here I doubt we’d match any FA contract and doubt he’d want to pay for league min.

  285. 285 Ark87 said at 3:54 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Might be right, this may work out for the better, he’s a FA and Pitt has obliterated his value.

    But at the time it ticked me off so bad. We wanted to be Seattle so bad. But we just got done watching a concussed Edelman destroy Seattle with simple physics. Sure enough, Cole freaking Beasley is a little Mulletted terror we have to deal with now. Having a guy with speed and agility was worth the investment. Someone that can at least run a route with the ODB’s, Browns, DJax’s of the league. Seems logical for a guy that supposedly wanted versatility on his team.

  286. 286 anon said at 3:57 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    don’t disagree. Don’t doubt that a large motivation for the trade was Chip’s stubbornness and probably being tired of having the media ask about it.

    We played well against ODB this year i thought, jackson too generally. Our problem was piss poor linebacker play and lack of pass rush.

  287. 287 Ark87 said at 3:59 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    agreed, we did better than I expected on the outside against those types. But Man that Cole Beasley game, it’s gone beyond cold logic for me with that guy lol.

  288. 288 jpate said at 3:05 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Nah I doubt Boykin would of been the difference maker to propel us into the playoffs. Might as well get a pick out of it.

    And now maybe with Howie as GM we sign him back, that would be something.

  289. 289 Ark87 said at 3:06 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    gives us more options going forward, since our corners don’t necessarily need to be behemoths anymore.

  290. 290 D3FB said at 9:36 AM on January 13th, 2016:

    He’s a FA. He can be brought back if we want him.

  291. 291 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:27 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Don’t we,have a ton of draft picks this year? Someone correct me if Im wrong please..
    One 1st round pick.
    No picks in round two
    Two picks in round 3( got an extra 3rd during last years,draft)
    Two picks in round 4( got the extra one in the Bradford trade)
    Two picks in round 5 (got the extra pick via boykin trade)
    One pick in round 6
    Two picks in round 7 (extra pick in the Barkley trade)

    For a team that should have learned its lesson to not go Gaga over other teams Free Agents, this is a nice amount of picks to build our team, especially if we keep Bradford and don’t have to spend picks on QBs.. I hope we are smart enough to not go free agent shopping, use our cap space to retain our own players, and spend the next two drafts adding young talent at every spot in hopes that some studs emerge and allow us to move on from high paid veterans in the next two years….
    Without any draft night trades, we have 3 picks in the top 100, 7 picks in the first 5 rounds, and 10 picks total… Ideally we are able to trade back from #13 and recoup a 2nd round pick, put if there is a player available at 13 that is head and shoulders ranked higher than everyone else on the board, I understand if we,decide not to trade back…
    Coaching changes usually means there will be a few solid players who no longer fit the scheme changes a new coach brings, and Roseman is strong in trade areas and Gettimg proper value in return so maybe we can trade a player or two for more picks, or quality players that fit our new schemes.
    Since I don’t want to sign other teams free agents, spend our cap space keeping our own playërs in Philly… Id rather lose all 8 of our free agents and retain SAM, instead of Losimg SAM and retaining our 8 free agents.
    Two years from now, majority of the QB’s will be signed to big money contracts.. I don’t want to hear a word about saving money when it comes to the QB position and Cox… Pay those two franchise cornerstones what it will take to keep those two in Philly to build around, and after those,two get there money, then we can worry about using the rest of our cap space to build the rest of the team…. I don’t care if we have to franchise SAM at an expensive 25 mil, MONEY WELL SPENT to keep us from going into a season with Mark Sanchez as,the QB… Who cares about the money when it comes to a QB, in a league where if you don’t have a QB, you are irrelevant?
    Even if we have to give SAM a big money deal, we hve all types of expensive veteran contracts that will come Off the books the next two years, if we don’t waste money on other teams Free agents, we should be able to retain most of our key players. keep our core in place, and buld thru the draft. Spend the next two drafts adding youmg Talemt at every position and only get rid of veterans when we know we have a cheap capable young player on the bench behind him…

    Nothing matters more than making sure we retain bradford and Cox.. I don’t care what other players keeping those two will cost. Curry is my favorite player, but I’d rather lose Him Than to lose the first QB that can really bring stability to this franchise since McNabb….
    Keep our talent in place, further Develope our ypung playërs, build more chemistry tnru continuity and have Two Quality drafts, and we should be headed in the right direction..
    Make sure they keep SAM, and I will support any coaching hire..
    There is no bigger nightmare than going into next year with Sanchez and the 3rd or 4th rated QB in an average at best QB class…. Not to mention we would be hurting our ability tof build a team if we spemd a first round pick on a QB or worse, package picks for a QB..
    Jordan Mathews and ERTZ seem to feel really strongly about how neccessary it is to keep SAM as our QB…I pray Roseman and LURIE see the ability in SAM and are fed up with a decade of musical chairs with the QB position.. After McNabb it was Kolb, then VICK, then it was FOles, Barkley got a start, Sanchez then took over,. ENOUGH!!!!! We could spend first round picks on Qbs in the next 3 drafts and still not have a better QB than SAM…. I think we have to be insane to let him go… Who cares about paying the other 52 players if we don’t have a QB?
    Id trade our entire roster (except Cox) and Sacrafice an entire season if Thats what it takes to have a QB to build around the next 3 or 4 years

  292. 292 ACViking said at 3:32 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Only one 4th Rd pick, not two.

  293. 293 Mac said at 3:47 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Warning: this post contains very outside the box thinking.

    Hindsight being what it is… how different would things be now if Bradford was treated like a developmental rookie qb and given the season to do strength training and develop chemistry with the wide receivers? If given half a season to rest we’d have a 4th rounder, if rested the whole season we’d have a 3rd rounder. I don’t really know what allowing him to play this season accomplished other than giving him the chance to get a feel for the pace of NFL football again.

  294. 294 anon said at 3:49 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    That was the plan which i think is why mark has the contract the has (heavy playing time incentives). But sammy blew it out of the park in pre-season / TC and i think that changed everyone’s mind.

    I doubt chip would have survived the season w/ sanchez starting anyway

  295. 295 Mac said at 4:54 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I’m warming up to the idea that Chip was fired for non-football reasons combined with a leadership model that Lurie did not think would result in success.

  296. 296 anon said at 5:07 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    thing is lurie really has no clue.

  297. 297 ChoTime said at 3:51 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Unrealistic because Chip had to prove there actually was a method to his madness. If there was, we’ll never know, unfortunately.

  298. 298 Mac said at 4:04 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    It would have been a tough (impossible?) sell to the fans, but would have fit better with a long term vision (which is what I thought Chip had). Maybe it would have been easier to sit Bradford if they had ironed out a contract extension before the season… the fact that Bradford refused that offer and chose to bet on himself looks highly beneficial to Bradford and detrimental to the Eagles.

  299. 299 b3nz0z said at 4:18 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    chip didn’t know he was gone by January. your plan would have been great

  300. 300 unhinged said at 4:19 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I think it was very important for the first half of the season to get SB into playing shape and rhythm. If he was rested the first 8 games, he probably would have looked a lot worse in the last 8 than he did.

  301. 301 Mac said at 4:34 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I think that’s a reasonable assumption. My assumption is that Chip’s intent was not to become an instant playoff contender with Bradford, but to build Bradford up into the job for the following season. But having said that, it’s pretty silly to assume you’ll have a bad season and give up your 2nd round draft pick. *edit* unless you’re pretty darn convinced that Bradford will be well worth the 2nd.

  302. 302 Nick C said at 3:40 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    The non exclusive tag should only be about 18-19M. It was only 16 last year. To me the non-exclusive FT is a no brainier, but for some reason our Front Office never uses them.

  303. 303 ACViking said at 3:41 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    $19.7 MM — non-X tag for QBs in 2016

  304. 304 anon said at 3:44 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    problem is if you tag at a number that serves as an artificial base the following year.

  305. 305 Nick C said at 3:50 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I’d worry about that the following year. I know that is not always the smartest way to go about things, but I’d take that risk to see how he fits in the new coach’s system, etc. Way chips system really QB- proof? Was the poor OL the problem? All the time on defense, all those narratives… This team has talent. It was misused, badly managed, and horribly coached this year. Cut Sanchez, draft a backup to groom, resign our key guys, and cut the bad contracts/underperformers that we can. Our problem is our FO never uses tags.

  306. 306 anon said at 3:52 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I’m not against the tag, either tag and trade or tag and be prepared to play $20+ or lose him for nothing.

  307. 307 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:55 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I’m completely sold on sam the player, and I would feel extremely fortunate to spend the next few years getting the level of QB play we saw from SAM late in the yeà accurate pocket passer will fit in whatever pro scheme we run….. However, I could also see value in paying Big Money to tag him. While some might feel that’s too expensive, I would consider that money well spent because essentially we would be paying so that we can prolong makimg the biggest decision a franchise could make(QB), while gathering more info that we can use to make the decision, and most important, we would be paying to see if his knee and his body can hold up and get thru another season before making such a big commitment. The Tag also pays for another year of exclusive negotiating rights which is extremely valuable when it comes to a QB..
    There is a reason teams give big money And over pay to keep their second tier QBs from hitting the open market… The Skins drafted Cousins, gave him a chance, yet they will have to overpay to keep him from the open market… is saving 3million worth letting another team poach their QB and have to spend Who knows how many years and assets til they find an adequate replacement…
    Pay the man, tag the man, whatever it takes to not allow another,teams to poach our QB.. Chips gone, and that era cost us a lot of our gomegrown talent.. After everything we lost these past 3years, we can’t lose the one great thng we have to show from the chip era, which is finally finding a QB that can bring stability to franchise…. If Roseman makes sure Bradford doesn’t get away, I will support HOWIE forever

  308. 308 anon said at 5:03 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    As long as he keeps improving…dalton looked mediocre for a long time, flacco too but they stuck with it and won games. Look at all the qbs drafted and rotated throughout the league. Fitz has been in the league 10+ yrs and he’s still getting looks.

  309. 309 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:03 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I would think that the Jets are going to have to Show Fitz the money and give Bowles a chance to build on this season..
    Bet the Texans and Bill Obrien were kicking themselves this year for letting Fitz get away… Doesn’t reflect well on Bill OBrien that they let Fitz walk, he goes on to have a solid year1 for the Jets, while the Texans were stuck juggling 4 or 5 different QBs this year. Not a good look for Bill OBrien…
    I would be furious to see the Texans poach Bradford. If they can pay SAM and JJ Watt then I don’t want to hear about us not being able To keep SAM AND Cox…

  310. 310 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:31 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I’m fine with whatever it takes….I think it’s absurd to lose a QB over money.. The most important position in all sports, so hard to find QBs that there aren’t even enough good ones to go around for all the franchises. We have to be insane to let SAM get away and since we paid SAM 13mil this year, gave away young FOles, the 13th pick in the second round, while taking all the Massive risks associated with his injury history and got Him out of the St Louis hell hole, we have INVESTED more than enough to where I don’t even want to see other teams bid on hm.. We invested enough in him to get an extension done at some point without letting other teams involved..
    Teams like miami, and Chicago fucked the game up giving insane money to 2nd string QB’s. I think we are entering a new Era where most QBs will be making BIG MONEY reflecting the significant importance of the position… Unless you are ok with a horrible Incompetant QB like Sanchez starting for you, it’s going to start costing a ton of money for Qbs in the #10-20 range łet alone top 10 QBs…. Look at the Redskins, they drafted Cousins, he has proven to be good enough to build around, but he isn’t a top 10 QB, yet the skins are going to have to drastically overpay to keep him off the open market.. What’s there alternatives? Not having a QB because some other team was willing to pay 3 millipn more than they were? Saving 3 million or any amount of money is jiust stid when it comes to QBs… You could go a decade without finding a franchise QB. You could spend first round picks on QBs in 5 drafts in a row and still not have a QB… So when people start talkimg about letting Bradford go because of Money, I find that line of thinking Insane… There is NO AMOUNT of Money that’s worth losing our QB and going into next seasn with Mark Sanchez. It’s the hardest positin to fill, there is a reason franchises oveay their QBs and we so rarely see decent QB’s hit the open market.
    I will support anytning this team does a long as they keep SAM and Cox in Philly…. Lol funny how people say we can’t keep SAM because Of money, because we have to pay Cox, yet if you ask those people who will steal SAM from us. Most will say the Texans, lol..
    If the Texans can figure out a way to steal Bradford and still pay JJ Watt, then I don’t wanna hear this bullshit about us not being able to keep SAM and Cox…. As far as I’m concerned, we have to keep SAM and Cox in Philly, And build a team with the left Over money. Don’t sigń other teams free agency, build thru the draft, cheap rookie contracts and use our cap space to keep Our own players in philly…

    I can see a case for the transition tag, I can see a case for just working out an extension and get it over with, and worst case scenario, I would rather pay a ton for the Franchise Tag, than to allow SAM to hit the open market… Id let every free agent walk before I let SAM leave.
    Even if we tag the kid, the goal is still to work out an extension before he ever plays a game on the Tag.. But I can also see value in spending BIG MONEY to Tag Him for a year if we want to make sure he gets thru another season healthy before we make a big commitment.,.
    All I know is the Kid was still improving for us when the season ended, I know we haven’t seen his best ball yet, I know he naturally grow into the leader of this team, earning the respect of the players instead of trying to force his way into the leadership role.. I have heard guys like jordan and Ertz publically support sanchez and FOles… But you can see a real passion and seriousness when They speak about the Importance of keeping SAM in Philly… Jordan raves about him and even says we didn’t get to see how great he is because the team failed Bradford Startimg with him, pointing to all his drops.
    We can’t worry about money when we are talking about a QB that could take us years to replace and find another QB as talemted
    All im concerned with is keepimg SAM and Cox to build around.. how we go about keeping SAM isn’t as important, money isnt important, being able to sigń other players isn’t important when we are talking about a QB we can build around
    Like the regular franchise Tag, could you use the transition Tag two years in a row? Just curious, whether we tag him or not, the goal is to work out an extension ASAP

  311. 311 anon said at 4:41 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I’m for brad for the same reason, he improved dramatically during the season. He was really the lone bright spot on the offense – aside from ertz as the year progressed. People complain about his numbers but there’s not tons of all-22 coming out about all the plays he missed – though he def missed some.

    For young QBs having help is key, dalton has AJ/Eiffert, Jags guy has Hurns, Robinson and Thomas, Bridge has AP, Carr has cooper/crabtree, guy in TB has evans, jackson, ASF AND doug martin. Who does sam really have?

  312. 312 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:29 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Well said… Heck, ask any of the WRs and TEs and they will say that they failed Sam this year which is true for the most part.
    I don’t even like to look at Sam’s stats because I don’t wamt it to skew my opinin Of the QB I saw, and I feel as tho our offense failed him to the point where the stats can’t accurate reflect how well he played the position… I knew the kid was a serious talent, but I found myself pleasantly surprised in areas I didn’t know he was so strong in… for example. I was very surprised by the pocket toughness he showed especially for a QB who has missed his entire career because of injuries. I was shocked at how willing he was to stand tall in the pocket and take a big hit so that he could deliver an accurate ball… I also had no idea he was so good at pocket awareness, climbing the pocket, side stepping the pass rush, feeling the pass rush behind him, an internal clock that tells him when to escape the pocket. I damn sure never imagined he would lead the league in accuracy throwing on the run when rolling out Of the pocket….
    This kid showed me so much more than I ever knew he was capable of and he did it in a average to crappy situation… Let him build chemistry with his weapons, further develope his young weapons, significantly upgrade his OL, and allow him to play behind a quality run game we thought we would see this year… Hit on the next two drafts, allow SAM to grow in the offense and give him years to Gel with his weapons, and Im Convinced that this is the QB that will give us a chance to compete with the Top teams, but ONLY if we put a good enough team around him.
    We need to build years worth of chemistry, build a PRO Culture… To accomplish this we need to retain our own players, don’t fall for other teams free agents, hit on the next two drafts, hopefully adding Jordan Hicks type studs positions that will allow us to cut high priced veterans like Murray, Maxwell. Sproles, Celek, Meco, Cooper, Sanchez.. The Only way to build a pro Culture is by hitting on draft picks so quality young players can grow up and develope as Eagles, and extending/retaining our own players instead of signing other teams free agents..
    If we keep SAM in place, we are two quality drafts away from building a team that can compete with the best.. Figure once SAM gets thru another season, he should really be ready to sore in September 2017, so we need to make sure we have a quality team around him by then… But with Sam and a coaching change which forces everyone to compete and earn their jobs again, it should be enough to compete for our crappy division next year

    If we lose SAM, I wilol be completely baffled and confused, we endure a lot as eagle fans and continue to support this team. Chip kelly wants to Gve away all our stars? Everyone continued to support the team, but other then losing Fletcher Cox, I think letting SAM get away is one of the biggest mistakes we could possibly make…. .
    This coaching search is nerve wrecking…..I’m dying for them to hire a coach just so as can see a press Confrence where reporters wIll undoubtably ask the new coach, Roseman or LURIE questions about SAM Bradford. When our QB position is uncertain like this, hard for me to care about coaches, free agents or the search to replace Marynowitz…
    Pay what it takes to extend SAM and Cox, and use the remaining cap space/draft picks to build an Offense and defense around those two players

  313. 313 D3FB said at 9:35 AM on January 13th, 2016:

    No extra 4. We sent 4 last year and a 2 this year. We got back a 5 last year. We moved the Bills 4 for Dets 3 this year. We moved the 5 to get Rowe.

  314. 314 RobNE said at 3:08 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I keep reading how Saban pulled the most crazy aggressive onsides kick last night. But Saban says “well our defense just couldn’t stop them at that point” which means it really wasn’t that aggressive. Can’t stop the narrative.

  315. 315 GENETiC-FREAK said at 3:29 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Playing the Pats this season was the first time i found out you can drop kick a ball on kickoffs.. That is something i think Eagles should focus on

  316. 316 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:03 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Dude you should google videos of this high school coach in Arkansas who Doest believe in Punting or Kicking FGs, so logically he doesn’t believe in kicking off yet so he has like 17 different variations of onside kicks: drop kicks, like the soccer style when one player runs up and fakes a penalty kick to the left but another player runs behind him and actually kicks the ball the other direction. It’s pretty interesting because I had no idea all the different things you are allowed to do on Kickoffs and onside kicks… This whacky coach has been very successful, the Falcons brought him in To pick his brain aLong with one other NFL team that asked to keep the meeting confidential

  317. 317 ChoTime said at 3:53 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Disagree. Very few coaches will make that bold of a call, even if they should.

  318. 318 RobNE said at 4:05 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Just because very few coaches would do it doesn’t make it super aggressive. If you can’t stop the offense, then the extra yards of field position don’t mean much if they field the kick cleanly.

  319. 319 Mac said at 4:17 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Logic vs Tradition.

  320. 320 anon said at 3:12 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    If you’re coughlin or shanahan do you wear your rings into the interview?

  321. 321 Greg Richards said at 3:25 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I know a Giants fan wrote this and it should make me mad, but man doesn’t lie:

    Mark Kriegel

    20h20 hours ago

    Santa Monica, CA

    BREAKING: #Eagles int. w/Tom Coughlin termed “merely exploratory.” Sources say Eagles just wanted to see what a SB ring looks like. #giants



  322. 322 botto said at 3:30 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    that’s cold

  323. 323 Mac said at 3:31 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Is that license plate guy? Can you tweet from jail?

  324. 324 Bert's Bells said at 4:05 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    That’s actually a pretty good “wearz ur rings!?!?!?” joke.

  325. 325 Ark87 said at 4:08 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Sometimes I just have to slump my shoulders and laugh.

  326. 326 ACViking said at 3:37 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    If you don’t wear it on the sidelines, don’t wear it into the interview . . .

    Unless you’re meeting with Dan Snyder, I guess.

  327. 327 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:58 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    If Im COUGHLIN, I wouldn’t even answer Lurie’s questins. I would walk in, put both my rings on the table, hand LURIE my resume, and ask LURIE if we are done?
    But in all seriousness his age and his terrible late game management Are factors that work against him that he has to answer for… Personally I think a big reason for his recent failures is the horrendous job their GM REESE has done. If im being fair to COUGHLIN, When the hell was the last time he was given an OL? When was the last time he had a secondary? He had 1 pass rusher, the only great defender on that team, amd he blew his fingers off. They have had an average run game for years… The GM deserves to be fired more than COUGHLIN did… some have claimed that The Giants defense was so poor, COUGHLIN lost all faith in the defense to where it factored into how he coached late in the 4th quarter. That probably doesn’t excuse all the bone headed late game management this year, but it probably did factor into some of the late game issues, or at the very least effect how he coached games..

    But when it comes to the Eagles, Id probbly be the most surprised if they hired COUGHLIN, more surprised than if we hire any other candidate Because the impression I get is that Coughlins stature would command more power than the Eagles want to give a coach right now… THIS is one Of the reason i think it will be Doug, or Shurm, or Doug at HC, Shurm as his OC….. Hiring a candidte that doesn’t have leverage, doeamt have other HC options, is the best way to hire a coach who allows HOWIE to retain all power.. Because Doug and Shurm lack HC options, is why I think one of those two will be the HC. Actually I expect both to be on the Eagles coaching staff… Hiring guys with no leverage like DP, is how Roseman is able to retain control of the 53 man roster, and how Roseman is able choose some of the assistant coaches, but the HC will still pick more than half of his coaching staff…
    No way we could get COUGHLIN, yet give control Of the 53 man roster to HOWIE, and choose a few assistants for his staff (which is more common than people think)… Didn’t Lurie Block Andy Reid from poaching DUCE Staley? DUCE then ended up on Chips coaching staff, along with the long tenured Eagle TE coach

  328. 328 Greg Richards said at 4:01 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    If I’m Coughlin, when I go into the interview and Howie starts to speak I’d say:

    Young man, I’ll be asking the questions here.

    Convince me why I should join your organization….

  329. 329 Bert's Bells said at 4:04 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    That’s reminiscent of the story behind the ABC logo.

    The network hired Paul Rand to create their identity (if you don’t know Paul Rand, look him up, you know his work). They paid him an unprecedented amount.

    Rand walks into to the boardroom to present his design. A dozen executives prepared for a big “knock ’em dead” presentation with options, variations, and iterations. He opens up his briefcase, puts one piece of paper on the table.

    “Where’s the presentation? Where are the options?”

    “This is your logo,” he said, “It’s perfect.”

    And ABC has been using that logo for past 75 years.

  330. 330 ChoTime said at 4:49 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    A variation on the Michelangelo story where he auditioned for some huge job by drawing a perfect circle freehand.

  331. 331 Bert's Bells said at 6:38 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    It’s professional artist lure that the ability to draw a perfect circle freehand is a sign of insanity.

  332. 332 ACViking said at 3:37 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    ATTN: Greg Richards . . .

    Your twitter feed’s been fantastic. Go-to place.

  333. 333 GENETiC-FREAK said at 3:42 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Agreed man!

  334. 334 nevadausa16 said at 3:42 PM on January 12th, 2016:


  335. 335 RC5000 said at 4:03 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Rumor 49ers-no-longer-in-running-for-hue-jackson

  336. 336 anon said at 4:05 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    jackson must want some personnel power which makes sense as to why we didn’t touch him.

  337. 337 ACViking said at 4:06 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Seemed like a problem from the moment of Kelly’s firing.

  338. 338 TypicalDouche said at 4:10 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    From what I read the Browns and Giants are aggressively pursuing him and he is the favorite for both teams. Seems like one of them is going to be making him an offer he cant refuse and the Niners sense it so they have taken themselves out of the Jackson race.

  339. 339 Greg Richards said at 4:17 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I don’t think the Giants are as aggressively pursuing him as his media shills would lead you to believe.

  340. 340 anon said at 4:20 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Browns must not be that compelling either or he’d have taken the job. if browns is my offer i might just stay put.

  341. 341 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:35 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Yeah but the Browns are his Best chance to have some Power.. Giamts seem committed to GM REESE, not sure why, he has done an atrocious job

  342. 342 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 4:22 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Or desires to work for a stable Front Office

  343. 343 anon said at 4:20 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Interesting to me that neither of the pats long time assistants are getting any love in the coaching search.

  344. 344 RobNE said at 4:23 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I think Patricia may have interviewed or will be interviewed in Cleveland. He is an engineer so the thinking is he might be open to the Moneyball stuff.

    And I’ve said a lot on McDaniels so I’ll keep quiet now.

  345. 345 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:33 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I heard he is like a rocket scientist with some insanely high IQ and that he is the assistant Bellichick is most proud of….no idea how true that is tho

  346. 346 b3nz0z said at 5:45 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    he’s fat and beardy. that’s all i need to know

  347. 347 Greg Richards said at 4:32 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    McDaniels has said that he wouldn’t interview until after the Pats are eliminated. There’s some thought that the new Detroit GM, who was the Pats’ director of pro scouting, will fire Caldwell and try to hire McDaniels or Patricia.

  348. 348 anon said at 4:37 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    he def made it clear to the media that they were HC material. McDaniels said mid-week last week that ‘despite interest i’m not going to interview” i don’t know if that’s his agent making the best of a bad situation.

  349. 349 RobNE said at 4:24 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    someone tell me what “control over the 53” means. Does that mean the coach rather than the GM gets to decide who is cut in training camp?

  350. 350 anon said at 4:26 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    yeah but that’s it. The final 53. Now if you don’t like who gets drafted or UDFAs your choices are pretty limited on final 53 anyway.

  351. 351 ACViking said at 4:31 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    True, for sure.

    But w/ final 53 authority, the coach effectively controls who among drafted players and rookie free agents remain as developmental prospects. FWIW

  352. 352 Ark87 said at 4:47 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Could you imagine in 2014

    Howie: Chip I nipped this D Jax contract in the bud, got him a reasonable extension with incentives and-

    Chip: Yeah about that Howie, He’s not going to make my 53, it was between him and Taylor Hart, and I got to go with Taylor, he’s got a lot of duck-i mean dog in him.

  353. 353 ACViking said at 4:51 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    LMAO!!! well done

  354. 354 b3nz0z said at 5:43 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    “Howie we don’t need to pay that kind of money for a wideout. Haven’t you met my buddy Jeff Maehl?”

  355. 355 RobNE said at 4:42 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    and what about all the churning at the bottom during the year, that gets approved by the HC too?

    practice squad too?

  356. 356 anon said at 5:04 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Nope, that’s part of the point, control of the 53 isn’t that much. Notice how the bottom of our roster got WAY better under chip.

  357. 357 b3nz0z said at 5:42 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    there were times where it was hard to distinguish from the top

  358. 358 D3FB said at 9:33 AM on January 13th, 2016:

    GM sets the 90 and coach picks the final 53. It’s basically means coach is more inclined to keep a couple guys who have more immediate impact or ST, whereas GMs tend to be more inclined to keep a developmental player or two. Basically it means you keep a Brad Jones or Miles Austin instead of a Rasheed Bailey or Raheem Mostert. Not a huge deal either way. The GM is still involved in those conversations and will have a chance to make his case. Plus if he really love a guy he can use some roster mechanism sneakiness to retain him (IR redshirt/rookie min to PS player).

  359. 359 ACViking said at 4:50 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Is Tampa Bay pitching to Saban?

    GM Jason Licht spent 8 years working for Belichick — a Saban BFF.

    Bucs have the franchise QB the Dolphins lacked. Plus a pretty good WR and RB, a few good defensive pieces . . . and the 9th overall pick.

    Bucs went all-in with Gruden in 2002 (although that was when Glazer the Elder was alive).


    Or is Koetter the guy?

  360. 360 Greg Richards said at 4:51 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Wouldn’t surprise me.

  361. 361 myartz04 said at 5:39 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Mark Dominik made a very strong hint about that. Screamed Saban to me.

  362. 362 BobSmith77 said at 5:46 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Love to Saban come back to the NFL, fall flat on his face again, and finally retire.

    Just comes off as a largely soulless and temperamental jerk even if he is a very good/great coach.

    Between him and Lane Kiffin, it was pretty easy for me to root against Bama last night even if I am not Clemson fan (no not going to USC and going to Clemson instead doesn’t really somehow make you that much smarter or better off).

  363. 363 RC5000 said at 4:59 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Interesting speculation los-angeles-relocation-could-alter-eagles-schedule so Chargers and Raiders aren’t in same division. Seattle to AFC West is speculated. Chargers to NFC West instead of Raiders? Both teams are willing to move divisions not just Oakland.

    The Eagles’ new West foe would depend on which of the two LA team the NFL chooses to move to the NFC West. By record, the Rams would be second if Chargers come to NFC West, and the Raiders would be second if they come to NFC West. Oakland brass has stated publicly that the team is open to moving to the NFC. However, if the league decides the Chargers should switch conferences, the Eagles would be lined up with a trip to London to face the St. Louis Rams.

  364. 364 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 5:02 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I like having the Hawks in the NFC West. I think all those teams are perfect for one another, but I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing a shake up.

  365. 365 RC5000 said at 5:13 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Seattle vs KC , Denver are interesting too. L.A. and Arizona and SF make sense. Weakens NFC somewhat.

  366. 366 anon said at 5:05 PM on January 12th, 2016:


  367. 367 RobNE said at 5:13 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    would love Seattle to be in the Pats’ conference. See ya!!

  368. 368 anon said at 5:19 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    As a person in oakland sad to me that they’re leaving. Same done STL has a plan for Kroenke and he might just do his own thing in LA anyway so understand why the recommended that way.

  369. 369 ACViking said at 5:20 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Seattle used to be an AFC West team.

    The Seahawks spent its inaugural 1976 season in the NFC West.

    Then from 1977-2001, Seattle competed in the AFC West.

    In 2002, with the realignment of both conferences into 4 divisions and the addition of the Texans to the AFC, the ‘hawks moved back to the NFC West.

  370. 370 BobSmith77 said at 5:41 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    My friend from Seattle still misses the Seahawks playing their old AFC West rivals especially the Raiders and Chargers.

    Only ‘rivalry’ that has generated much attention since then has been vs 49ers the past few years when both teams were really good.

  371. 371 peteike said at 6:00 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    the Ari/Sea games are pretty solid also though lately

  372. 372 laeagle said at 5:53 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I find this whole thing disgusting. The NFL is doing their typical “kill the golden goose” thing here. I see absolutely no reason why they need to move 2 teams at the same time, to the same city. I understand it from a team’s perspective, but why the league has to push for 2 teams is just greed, plain and fucking simple. I get so tired of them milking every last penny out of this game I love.

    I can tell you that it’s going to be an uphill battle to get fans interested in a team here in the first place. You add 2 teams, and you’ve just split your potential market. I know there are a lot of people here, but there’s also USC, which is as big here as pro teams in other areas. 2 teams guarantees that at least one of them will fail, and then move again, starting once again the cycle of raping municipalities throughout the country to pour money into the league’s coffers.

    I honestly feel that San Diego should stay in San Diego. They love their team there. Same with Oakland (I lived in the Bay Area for a while). The only team that would sort of make sense would be the Rams, who might still have lingering fans here. And at least they wouldn’t require a league reorganization; they’re already in the NFC West.

    I just find the whole fiasco so distasteful and rife with avarice.

  373. 373 RobNE said at 5:54 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    the rich get richer

  374. 374 anon said at 5:54 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    i understand why, for competitive reasons, san diego needs to move if another team moves to LA.

  375. 375 MagSaysWHAAT? said at 7:57 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    An added note. I have 5 children, with spouses. Also a few grandchildren. NOT ONE of them watches the NFL, other than an occasional Super Bowl. Not even the son who played. The league does not seem to be forward-thinking in any meaningful way at all. They pay attention to youth football to ensure the supply of bodies, but the future customers of the sponsors’ products are being ignored. Not good for TV/Internet revenue.

  376. 376 RC5000 said at 6:00 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Angel RodriguezVerified account ‏@ajrod 48m48 minutes ago
    One NFL owner tells the LA Times that relocation committee vote is “not at all an indicator” of final outcome

  377. 377 Greg Richards said at 5:19 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Adam Schefter

    50s50 seconds ago

    Dolphins hired former Bengals asst coach Vance Joseph as their defensive coordinator, per source.

  378. 378 anon said at 5:23 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    TBE. Where’s Vic Fangio?!?!

  379. 379 Greg Richards said at 5:25 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Under contract with Chicago as DC. Joseph’s contract was up so Cincy couldn’t block him from taking DC jobs elsewhere like they did last offseason.

  380. 380 eagleyankfan said at 6:24 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Interesting hire — according to PFT — teams wanted him last year but the Bengals blocked the move. Maybe the DC moves on. Maybe the OC moves on. Cinci might be in for an overhaul of their own…

  381. 381 anon said at 6:34 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    they lost both already, wheels keep on turning.

  382. 382 MagSaysWHAAT? said at 7:49 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Have we noticed that the Bengals lost yesterday because of culture? Not lack of talent. Lack of discipline.

    “Good talent with bad attitude equals bad talent.”
    “The culture precedes positive results. It doesn’t get tacked on as an afterthought on your way to the victory stand. Champions behave like champions before they’re champions.”
    Bill Walsh. And other winners have made similiar statements.

  383. 383 anon said at 8:00 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Reciting chip kelly verbatim. we believe culture beats talent, why we dumped TO and have been basically irrelevant since.

  384. 384 MagSaysWHAAT? said at 8:12 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Dumping TO was probably an attempt to regain control. However, having assistant coaches openly mock a coordinator, having a non-player at training camp with pharmaceuticals, having Mornigwheg (sp?) calling plays, continuously trying to force a mobile QB to become a Manning, endlessly messing up the timeouts, not holding players accountable for conditioning (McNabb puking), throwing an AllStar under the bus, etc.indicated a lack of control during the last 5 or 6 years of Andy’s reign. Big Daddy Andy, no accountability. No wonder players say they love him.
    He was fine for the first few years, with a super DC and some outstanding players, but it didn’t last. Every commenter here or elsewhere, was totally angry with Andy during his last couple of years.

  385. 385 anon said at 8:20 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    terrible drafting. Makes you wonder how Reid would be perceived w/ out the “JJ years”. But smartly for him he went and found a team that had a good defense, got a competent DC, RB and a QB that won’t blow games for you.

  386. 386 anon said at 5:27 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Other bad thign about waiting so long to get a coach is that your chance at landing a demoted coach coach narrows.

  387. 387 RobNE said at 5:41 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Flacco’s cap hit next year is $28M?!?!

  388. 388 b3nz0z said at 5:41 PM on January 12th, 2016:


  389. 389 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:43 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Better than having 28extra mil in cap space, but no QB, in whch case your ceiling is the Texans
    But it damn sure is a lot of money for Flacco

  390. 390 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:42 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Thinking COUGHLIN will want more power then the Eagles are willimg to give.
    But even if this wasn’t an issue. What type of contract can you even give a 70yr old? I don’t think you can give him a 5yr contract can you? A 3yr deal?
    For me, the perfect marriage would have been COUGHLIN signing a 3yr deal with the Colts to try and get Luck over the hump before he retires…it would require putting up with that whacky owner.. Think that could have benefits both the Colts and COUGHLIN, but the silly owner prefers to pretend everything is ok with Grigson and Pagano

  391. 391 BobSmith77 said at 5:52 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Still waiting for the ‘Eagles interested in Holmgren’ rumor . . .

  392. 392 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:52 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Wow… Wilbon just compared the Sixers to the Browns as the biggest jokes in Pro sports…. That’s just cruel…

  393. 393 daveH said at 6:56 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Did he use his new word “Bengals-like-stupid” at all ?

  394. 394 MagSaysWHAAT? said at 7:44 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Funny. There are some players wanting a Father figure, then when they get one, all ‘culture’ or discipline goes down the loo. I don’t normally think about the Bengals for more than a second or two, but I felt sorry for Lewis.

  395. 395 daveH said at 7:53 AM on January 13th, 2016:

    Steelets coach on the field baiting the opposition should be fired slso. But that doesnt help em now

  396. 396 botto said at 7:56 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    poor browns

  397. 397 RC5000 said at 6:02 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    hahaha, NFL owners conduct first vote; no project has the required votes

    NFL owners have completed their first vote and neither proposed project — Carson or Inglewood — got the required 24 votes, according to multiple people with direct knowledge of the situation.

    But the Inglewood project received the most votes.

    Two options were on the ballot: the Rams and an unnamed second team in Inglewood or the Chargers and Raiders in Carson.

  398. 398 Greg Richards said at 6:05 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Hey, Kroenke, your vote is mine! About that second round pick, though…..

  399. 399 Fufina said at 6:27 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    It will be the Inglewood project + Chargers. 20 votes is very close to the required number and they will build towards that consensus. Expect the league to bankroll a significant part of a new stadium in Oakland as the make good effort.

    Only possible worry will be the Chargers owner being cheap and not willing to throw the cash at Jerrahdome 2.0.

  400. 400 RC5000 said at 6:54 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    My understanding is Inglewood is a much better location than Carson/ Long Beach from people who live there so that sounds good. Why did committee recommend it , anything besides politics and backing Davis and Spanos?

  401. 401 Greg Richards said at 7:24 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    The feeling I get is that Kroenke is a jerk while the fellow owners like Spanos and Mark Davis. The fellow owners like $ more, so the Inglewood project will win.

  402. 402 Fufina said at 7:31 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Not sure anyone likes Mark Davis. If he had any support at all league wide then Carson would probably win. As an Arsenal fan i hate Kroenke since he is a money sucking parasite on the club, but his bid is the far more advanced well planned and prepared. I also think some owners want to reward him for actually taking the first step to returning to LA.

  403. 403 unhinged said at 6:27 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    What is the feeling here about which franchise ends up in L.A.? I guess I’m a bit of a traditionalist. Rams belong in Los Angeles. Raiders belong in Oakland, and Chargers should stay in San Diego. Owners are another issue.

  404. 404 Fufina said at 6:28 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Totally agree. League has enough money/wealth to build their own stadiums at this point.

  405. 405 Greg Richards said at 6:38 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    A smart businessman takes advantage of the market and the leverage he has to force someone else to pay for what he wants.

  406. 406 daveH said at 6:55 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Chargers moving 40 miles isnt much of a chsnge .. taking a team out of a city seems less desrable

  407. 407 RC5000 said at 7:04 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Chargers in either way, Fufina says Rams are in.

  408. 408 MagSaysWHAAT? said at 7:40 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Agree, Rams should never have let LA. Raiders suit Oakland perfectly.

  409. 409 Fufina said at 6:31 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Btw Hue Jackson taking the Browns job shows me significant character concerns. Only a Sadist would go from the Oakland and feel they want to take on the only team more dysfunctional in the NFL.

    Have more self respect man and get a better job next year if nothing better is offered this year.

  410. 410 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:37 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    All it tells me is that he would rather work for a team that will give him some power, insted of. Team like the Giants Or Eagles who aren’t looking to empower their new HC…

  411. 411 myartz04 said at 7:03 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Says all you need to know as to why he isn’t a candidate.

  412. 412 Greg Richards said at 6:38 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Hasn’t taken it yet. Had 2nd interview which usually means the job is going to him but apparently the Browns haven’t made an offer yet.

  413. 413 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:35 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I’m tired of this search already… Wish they would just annouce the hiring of Pat Shurmur tonight so we can move on to the really important task of assembling a quality coaching staff
    There is a lot of value in Shurmur as our Head coach..,. The man has had 3 years of seeing trail and error of what our players can do, and what they can’t do..Shurmur got a front row view of all chips mistakes that led to his failures, I would imagine that this is a very valuable asset for the next head coach, especially if we don’t plan on tearing it down and going with a full rebuild..
    Most important, Shurmur knows our QB better than any candidate we could hire. And it’s especially value that he has seen our QB in two completely different systems..
    Correct me if Im wrong, but Wasnt both Shurmur and Doug P raised in ANDYs west coast Offense? So would Doug Bring ANYTHNG to the table that we can’t get from Shurm? All this probably means it wpuldnt be a problem making Shurm, Dougs OC if we hire DP instead of Shurm….but Both guys have similar backgrounds, why not just go with Shurmurs playcalling experience that DP lacks? Shurmurs Headcoaching experience that Doug P lacks, Shurmurs familiarity with our players, their strengths, weakness and personalities that Doug P lacks? If both Shurmur and Doug bring the knowledge of ANDYs Westcoast Offense, why wouldn’t we go with Shurmurs added know
    Edge of the chip kelly offense that Doug P lacks? Why not go with Shurmurs connection and experiemce to Bradford that Doug P lacks? More importantly Shurmur has experiemce with Sam in two very different offenses so Pat should have a ton of data and experience hecan
    One way or another, I would bet that Shurmur will be on the Eagles coaching staff this year… I think the question is will he be the HC or the OC?
    Keeping Shurm would also mean that the chip era isn’t a complete waste and it would enable us to continue to Implement some Of the good that chip brought to the Eagles… No one would list im game adjustments as a strength of Andy Reid’s, but coaches, and playërs Rave about chips adjustment and list it as one of chips strength. Hopefully Shurmur learned a thing or two in this regard from having a Fromt row view of 3 years worth of the chip Kelly experiemce, that Doug lacks..
    I have no problem with them hiring Doug, especially since I think Shurmur would still be on the coaching staff anyway… But even if they want Doug, do they think he is THAT MUCH BETTER than Shurm?
    We can Hire,Shurm today, Shurm has experience in ANDYs west coast offense tbat Doug brings to the table anyway, yet im really interested in seeing what Shurm learned since he can use 3 years of chip Kelly as Trail and era for how to get the most out of the players he is inheriting… I’m very much interested in seeing what Pat Shurmur can do with this team…wish they would just hire him tonight so we can hire a staff before new Headcoaches snatch up all the best assistants and then we can proceed and get the Bradford extension done ASAP so that Shurmur and SAM can sit down and design an offense that puts SAM and his weapons in the best positions to succeed…

  414. 414 Greg Richards said at 6:41 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Shurmur certainly has value keeping on the staff. Being a head coach is a lot about personality. I’m not that familiar with Pederson’s so I can’t say if he’s a good fit. With the caveat that you see in the media isn’t necessarily what you see behind closed doors, Shurmur doesn’t seem to have the charisma necessary to be a quality leader.

  415. 415 MagSaysWHAAT? said at 7:38 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    We fans are often too quick to say that a coach has worked wonders with a QB or some DBs so they must be ideal for a Head Coach’s job. The HC should really be the one called a coordinator because that’s what they must be good at. Pulling all the threads together. Along with knowing how to delegate, of course.

  416. 416 Telmert said at 7:48 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I agree completely, especially if this is it for the list of candidates. I wanted a defensive guy, but I’ve come around on PS. He’s got some history as a QB whisperer – more than lots of the other guys that have been discussed. During the #5 years, it always seemed like when 5 went down, somebody came in a did a great job – Feeley, Garcia, even Koy Detmer and Kevin Kolb. Plus the credit he’s been given for Sam B.

    A note on experience – when DP was first hired by AR as a coaching assistant, PS was becoming the OC in St Louis and had already been a college/pro football coach for 19 years. People have said that AR made the jump that DP is looking at, but he had 18 years college/pro experience before coming here.

    I also like Shurmur’s experience in Cleveland with changing systems. Mangini’s 3-4 defense (with Rex Ryan) to a 4-3 defense under Jauron.

    The idea of keeping Shurmur as OC to keep Bradford has been suggested a lot, but I don’t think it works. First, it assumes the new coach keeps most of the existing offense. More importantly, Shurmur won’t last here. He demonstrated in the last game that he would tweak Kelly’s offense with traditional concepts (audibles, slower tempo at times for fewer errors, plays tailored to player strengths). if he stays and SB stays and they are successful, PS will be the #1 candidate for head coach somewhere next year. SB knows that and will be much less likely to sign here expecting PS to leave after one year.

  417. 417 jaws80 said at 8:32 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Shurmur made it clear he learned a lot from his three years with Chip, more than he thought he would , or something like that. Shurmur had three years of open access to all of Chip’s ideas (i certainly hope he had) so I would feel confidant Shurmur could put together and run a replica of the Chip offense by now (not that anyone would want that). But Shurmur, with three years of working with Chip, can certainly take Chip’s best ideas, and work them into something that might be better for an NFL team.
    Actually would be intrigued to see what Shurmur could do if given the mission to create an offense that would work with Bradford, with maybe some of Chip’s ideas. And, yes, there is a feeling if they go with Shurmur that the past three years were not a complete waste.

  418. 418 anon said at 8:35 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    watch Eages v Giants week 17.

  419. 419 Telmert said at 9:07 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    One other thing on this – I’m having trouble with the idea that Andy is pushing DP for the job. Shurmur worked for him for 10 years. Andy worked with his uncle. I can’t see Andy either bad-mouthing Shurmur or trying to promote DP over him. I can see Andy saying either would be great. I can definitely see Andy asking for an interview for DP to help him get interviews in the future (which is what I think happened).

  420. 420 GENETiC-FREAK said at 6:38 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Vance Joseph DB coach for Bengals is now DC for Gase Dophins

  421. 421 oreofestar said at 7:03 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Seahawks moving to the AFC would be interesting

  422. 422 MagSaysWHAAT? said at 7:35 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Who could compete with them. Seriously. Think Denver in Super Bowl 48.

  423. 423 oreofestar said at 7:41 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I don’t think it’s that bad, Cardinals and Panthers are arguably two best teams the league. NFC has been better than last few years and I don’t think one team moving suddenly makes the NFC garbage

  424. 424 MagSaysWHAAT? said at 8:01 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I didn’t say that Settle moving would make the NFC garbage. I suggested that, as things stand at present, that the Seahawks could slice right though the AFC.

  425. 425 RobNE said at 8:35 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I agree

  426. 426 oreofestar said at 8:51 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I misread then

  427. 427 Eric Carranza said at 7:12 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Kendricks has been extended?

  428. 428 oreofestar said at 7:13 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Uh yes

  429. 429 GENETiC-FREAK said at 7:14 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Yip last offseason was it

  430. 430 anon said at 7:22 PM on January 12th, 2016:


  431. 431 Eric Carranza said at 7:26 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Well in a new scheme, hopefully 4-3, he can play better than he has

  432. 432 GermanEagle said at 7:33 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Good morning and a happy new year 2015!

  433. 433 Eric Carranza said at 7:39 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Bad memory + article dated 2016 lol

  434. 434 Greg Richards said at 7:19 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Pats’ coverup scandal about to erupt?

  435. 435 anon said at 7:24 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Probably to insignificant, but it’s clear that the Foxboro area police will protect the team.

  436. 436 MagSaysWHAAT? said at 7:33 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Just read a few fans comments. Quick, heads in the sand. Don’t look for the reason why an official 911 call was altered. Although one person commenting wondered if there was any correlation with Belichick’s black eye!

  437. 437 Greg Richards said at 7:55 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Dennis and Callahan

    7m7 minutes ago

    According to police sources Chandler Jones “OD’d on pills” at Gronk’s house Saturday night & was taken in an ambulance to Norwood Hospital.

  438. 438 anon said at 7:58 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    but he showed up for work on monday so….

  439. 439 MagSaysWHAAT? said at 8:02 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    All that fuss and they weren’t even GOOD drugs?

  440. 440 botto said at 8:04 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    so he’s young

  441. 441 MagSaysWHAAT? said at 8:15 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    So that’s why the fans over there want to hide under the covers. Their precious Gronk! is involved.

  442. 442 易路营销软件 said at 7:48 PM on January 12th, 2016:


  443. 443 Kohlhaas said at 7:59 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    WTF? How does a city that has already had multiple teams come and go, possibly, get two teams?

    I don’t get it. Why did the Rams and Raiders leave LA originally? Did the fan base not support it? If so, why TF are they getting another team?

  444. 444 anon said at 8:02 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    possibility of $$. People gotta buy all new merchandise, branding, etc. and they split the costs of ownership.

  445. 445 Kohlhaas said at 8:03 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I get that it’s a big market but there were reasons those teams left the first time. How can it support two teams when it struggled with one?

  446. 446 anon said at 8:09 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I don’t think the owners really care, they’ll just leave again.

  447. 447 Kohlhaas said at 8:13 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    It’s just irritating because they don’t deserve it. There are a whole bunch of other cities that would support a franchise.

  448. 448 anon said at 8:21 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Surprised no one has thought about OKC

  449. 449 holeplug said at 8:23 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    all about stadiums. billionaires don’t pay for them in the states

  450. 450 Fufina said at 8:24 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Well LA has refused to put a dime into building a stadium, and both the Raiders and Rams left pseudo trying to bluff LA into funding them a nice brand new stadium.

    Profit margin is so high in the NFL they can all just build their own at this point so going to the market with the most media coverage / fan reach makes a lot of sense.

    Think only 1 team will last however… whichever wins more in the next 5 years will survive and whoever looses will be out.

  451. 451 anon said at 8:35 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    stadium’s new, they’re sharing the expense. Its like the Lakers / Clippers during the sterling era.

  452. 452 Anders said at 3:13 AM on January 13th, 2016:

    Mark Davis is one of the few owners that do not have enough money up front for a new stadium

  453. 453 BobSmith77 said at 8:35 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    It’s freaking absurd. It is one area that almost any economist (irregardless of training or outlook) will acknowledge is a colossal failure of public policy.

    The city of Los Angeles would be better of economically scheduling a twice-annual money drop of $20M in 50s and 100s across several parts of the city from planes

  454. 454 Greg Richards said at 9:52 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    This is the type of nonsense politicians spout and then when a team gets a better offer elsewhere in a free market want to accuse the owner of “betraying” the fans. Cry me a river. If a team can’t get a better offer elsewhere then they wouldn’t have the leverage to ask for better deals from their current cities. If you’re content not having a team, fine, lose them and waste the money on one of the other many things that cities waste on. That’s all well and good, but don’t complain when the Eagles are playing in Saint Louis or San Antonio. It won’t be Lurie or the team that deserves blame.

  455. 455 The original AG said at 8:51 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    It’s a huge media market, no. 1 or 2 I believe.

    So the deals that they have for tv will go up a lot. I’m thinking if it’s $10 or $11 billion a year, they might be able to suck another $2-$3 billion and up it close to $15 billion a year by 2020.

    Money is the only reason driving the whole thing. And it’s lots of money.

  456. 456 anon said at 8:09 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    #49ers’ 2015 OL coach Chris Foerster has joined Adam Gase’s staff with the Dolphins.

  457. 457 Greg Richards said at 9:49 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    49es were 2nd in the league in snaps allowed. Plus, Foerster was with MIami in 2004 and their line struggled. Dolphins fans are not happy.

  458. 458 GermanEagle said at 8:39 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    RamRams to LA, with Chargers getting first crack through Jan 16, 2017, then Raiders have preference, per sources.

    Can someone explain? I don’t understand!!

  459. 459 Fufina said at 8:42 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Rams are moving to LA right now – will play in coliseum next 3 years while they build new stadium. Chargers have option to join them if no stadium solution is found in San Diego. If they do sort out a stadium then the Raiders can move in 2017 to join Rams.

  460. 460 BobSmith77 said at 8:44 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Kroenke wins. Very little that pisses me off so much as when a vile POS is able to get what he wanted all along and greatly increases his wealth in the process through raiding public coffers.

    Done that time and time again with his sports ownership group.

  461. 461 Fufina said at 8:51 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Don’t think LA is putting any cash in other than some support passing planning position?

    Think stadium is going to coast ~$2bil, so is not exactly cheap… probably will be worth it just from the added franchise value however.

  462. 462 BobSmith77 said at 8:57 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I haven’t seen any figures disclosed but I’m sure the city and state will chip in funding. This is a massive windfall for Kroenke.

    He never wanted to stay in St Louis unless he strong-armed Nixon into getting a huge expanse of waterfront property through eminent domain with a largely-funded public stadium.

  463. 463 Fufina said at 9:02 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Joe Banner ‏@JoeBanner13 11m11 minutes ago

    No public money in LA deal.

  464. 464 BobSmith77 said at 9:03 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    At least one positive about this story. Did it say if there are going to be any other ‘improvements’ made by local/state gov’t and exactly how the land is going to be acquired including the size of it?

  465. 465 Fufina said at 9:13 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    My understanding (and this is from memory from several months ago) is that Kroenke owns all the land they need, but needs significant assistance getting it zoned for use for stadium usage and the extensive retail/events spaces that come with it (they will make a lot of money selling on later or renting).

  466. 466 anon said at 9:31 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    yeah i remember he purchased it a year or two ago.

  467. 467 laeagle said at 9:26 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I may be mistaken, but I believe that one of the unique things about Kroenke’s proposal is that it didn’t require public money. I don’t think anyone would have approved it here.

  468. 468 BobSmith77 said at 9:27 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Your right and I was wrong. I thought the state was going to kick in development money for infrastructure improvements.

  469. 469 RC5000 said at 8:51 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    So I assume Seattle will stay put and no realignment.

  470. 470 The original AG said at 8:55 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Media markets. More money in LA than St.L and SD.

  471. 471 BobSmith77 said at 8:55 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    “Sources say Kroenke told the ownership group in so many words they could
    be guilty of collusion if they choose the Chargers-Raiders project in
    Carson instead of his plans for a stadium in Inglewood. He essentially
    warned them not to cross him. The Rams denied that Kroenke said that to
    the owners.”

    I 100% sure Kroenke made this threat openly and didn’t mince words. Rules with an iron fist and he has had incredible legal
    sagas with almost every former partner including Raul Walters (man he
    first started working for building commercial real estate which featured) and Michael Staenberg who was his partner in THF Realty. That is still in the courts after more than a decade on how to dissolve the partnership and its assets.

    If Kroenke didn’t get his way he would sue the NFL and use his powerful GOP connections including federally to cause a shit storm for the NFL.

  472. 472 The original AG said at 9:05 PM on January 12th, 2016:

  473. 473 Anders said at 3:10 AM on January 13th, 2016:

    So Kroenke would sue em? I would have loved to watch that happen, because he cant prove collusion and he essential bought of the owners with his money to relocate.

    One of the reasons he gets to move and not Mark Davis is simply something called money (its cheaper for the NFL to let Kroenke move to LA than the Raiders and there is more money for the NFL in the long run for the LA Rams than LA Raiders).

  474. 474 The original AG said at 9:07 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    I would like to know who voted against for sure, but I’m guessing SD/Oakland make up the two votes.

  475. 475 BobSmith77 said at 9:29 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Imagine so. Kroenke likely would have sued and could have easily drown the NFL in legal bills if he took them to state and/or federal court.

  476. 476 Fufina said at 9:36 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Well large parts of the NFL’s rules would not stand up to legal challenge. They work on the basis no one challenges them in court. It is one of the main reasons why they are very careful ‘letting’ people into their club and why they want single owners not larger stock held entities which would appoint CEO’s who would be more aggressive trying to increase their individual profit.

  477. 477 laeagle said at 9:38 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    It’s on, now! Me and Baloophi are going to start practicing!

  478. 478 Mitchell said at 9:41 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    The choreography and manpower that went into this video must have been staggering.

  479. 479 laeagle said at 9:45 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    “Nobody likes rammin’ it quite like me”

    Best lyric ever

  480. 480 anon said at 9:50 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    Lyrics are outrageous.

  481. 481 jpate said at 10:30 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    “I don’t stop coming till I put them on their back”

    No way this wasn’t intentional

  482. 482 AsianEagle said at 1:08 AM on January 13th, 2016:

    They should trade for Cox to anchor their D-Line… :-O

  483. 483 Greg Richards said at 10:01 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    New thread up.

  484. 484 stephenstempo said at 11:08 PM on January 12th, 2016:

    The fact that no coach has never won a Super Bowl with two different teams is the product of the fact that there have only been 50 Super Bowls. That’s what people in statistics might call a “small sample size”. History doesn’t predict that no coach will do it. Nor is history against them doing it in anyways. It’s a correlation. I doubt there is any cause and effect involved except for the fact that the coaches got older.

    That being said I think coughlin is highly overrated and won both those super bowls after having pretty average regular seasons, a weak division those years, a bit of luck in the playoffs and some long shot plays in both super bowls. Not saying he didn’t coach his ass off in both those games I’m sure those are probably his best two games. And that’s my problem. Coughlins best seasons and best games still required quite a bit of luck to make it work.

    People are way way to blinded by rings. On any coach.

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