SammyGate Update
Posted: April 26th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 491 Comments »No real updates on the Sam Bradford situation.
Jeff McLane wrote a good piece on the overall situation. Here’s the one key new item.
During an interview on the draft with Comcast SportsNet, Roseman did not deny Bradford’s demands.
“I want to reiterate our support for Sam Bradford and go back to our statements last week – that Sam is our starting quarterback,” Roseman said. “His agent and Sam know how we feel about him. These workouts are voluntary. We look forward to seeing Sam again in the near future.”
Although Roseman didn’t say it directly, the Eagles aren’t considering trading Bradford, an NFL source close to the situation said. They haven’t granted Condon permission to shop the 29-year-old quarterback.
But Condon, who engineered Saints quarterback Drew Brees’ holdout four years ago, has certainly called around the NFL looking for teams that might have been interested had Bradford reached free agency last month. The Broncos, 49ers, New York Jets, and Browns have an obvious need at quarterback.
The Eagles are not shopping Bradford.
The Eagles are not letting agent Tom Condon work on a trade partner.
Either the Eagles truly want to keep Bradford or they are showing the world their best poker face. If they act like they still want him, teams might pay a slightly higher price. Obviously no team is going to break the bank on a deal. Bradford isn’t that good and the Eagles are backed into a corner, which limits their ability to negotiate.
Stay tuned to see what happens.
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"[The @Eagles] believe they'll be getting Wentz. And this is exactly the player they want." #NFLDraft https://t.co/9AkO8tGN7z
— NFL (@NFL) April 26, 2016
"The #Eagles are getting a guy (Wentz) that will be ready to quarterback the team in 2016" @JeffDarlington on on the NDSU QB
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The Eagles added DT Mike Martin. Zach Berman has a quick bit on the move.
Martin, 25, was a third-round pick by Tennessee Titans in 2012 out of Michigan. He played the past four seasons with the Titans, starting five games and appearing in 68. He has career totals of 42 tackles and four sacks.
At 6-foot-1 and 298 pounds, Martin will compete for a depth spot at defensive tackle. The Eagles already lost Cedric Thornton in free agency this offseason, and Martin is the only newcomer at the position. Fletcher Cox and Bennie Logan are expected to be starters, and Beau Allen and Taylor Hart both return from last season. The Eagles also have Travis Raciti, who was on the practice squad in 2015.
Martin was a NT in college. He was a tough guy who did the dirty work well, but wasn’t much of a playmaker. He is meant to be a 1-gap NT. The Eagles need depth at that spot behind Bennie Logan.
Good signing for depth and competition.
Beau Allen was the backup NT last year. I think he will be traded some time this weekend. I don’t see him as a fit for Jim Schwartz’s scheme.
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This will make some of you mock drafters happy:
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Buzz on OL Joe Haeg (Brainerd HS): late 3rd/early 4th. Had 11 private workouts. Among teams showing interest: NYJ, Phi., AZ, Bucs, SD, GB.
If we’re going to get Wentz we might as well bring his blindside buddy along for the ride.
So instead of the Soundgarden sound ‘Feeling Minnesota’ the Eagles’ draft theme music this year might be ‘Feeling North Dakota?’
This dovetails nicely with their other option in Goff: “Looking California”
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Name one other QB that demanded a trade after recently signing a new contract to be the starting QB after hearing news that the team was going to draft a QB. Seriously, name one! He has now put this team in a bad position because he is afraid of competition and losing his job.
What an absolute joke. The fans will eat him alive if he tries to come back now. What a cluster fu*K. I am praying we can get a third round pick for him. Seriously, what team would want someone like him on their team. Someone that runs away from the first time they are ever challenged in their career.
He could have come out and said ” I am not happy that the team does not have confidence in me to be their franchise QB and I am going to do everything I can to make sure I keep my job and lead this team to great things”. Everyone on the Eagles and the fan base would have been 100% behind him and rooted for him to succeed when he played. This dude has really pissed off an entire fan base.
“after recently signing a new contract to be the starting QB after hearing news that the team was going to draft a QB. ”
Can you actually name another scenario in which this happened?
Nope. That’s why I asked if anyone knew of a similar situation in the past where a QB demanded a trade after signing a contract and then that team drafted a QB high in the draft. I do not recall any QB that just signed a contract then demand to be traded after he learned the team would be drafting a QB. It hasn’t happened because starting QB’s understand there will always be competition to take their job and its up to them prove they deserve to stay the starter.
Do you know of any situation where a QB was signed to be the franchise guy and then a few months later the team plans on drafting a QB with a high draft pick?
No I don’t. Typically the incumbent is already in place and the team drafts a QB to groom into the eventual starter. The example many point to is Brett Favre as the starter when they drafted Aaron Rogers to succeed him. Did Brett demand a trade? Of course not. He played his best and held onto the starting job for as long as he could. This example has happened plenty of times and I can’t recall a situation where the incumbent has demanded a trade when he thought his job may be threatened by the new QB. The other often cited example is when Drew Brees was with SD when they drafted Phillip Peters very high. I don’t remember Drew demanding a trade. Instead he elevated his play when he was challenged by the rookie. Ultimately he then left in Free Agency when his contract was up.
I think the situation here is different because the Eagles didn’t commit to Sam as the franchise guy. They gave him two years, really just one, to prove his talent.
Right but then the draft pick would seem to give him zero, in that there is no real way he can prove his talent for a long-term deal, whereas that was the apparent promise before.
If a QB had fallen to #8, and the Eagles took him, it could still be a Kurt Warner / Matt Leinart situation, but that seems far-fetched when the Eagles give up massive compensation. It’s one thing to end up with an unexpected decision to make in the draft, but the Eagles signed the guy with one sort of promise then went out actively to get someone else. It seems weirdly ignorant of locker room dynamics. Especially given another high priced backup being around.
It does have me questioning the decision-making, but that may be just be my dislike of trading a ransom of picks — that has most often not turned out well for the team giving up those picks. Hopefully it’s different this time.
“signed to be the franchise guy” ? For 2 years?
Kurt Warner and Eli Manning in 2004?
Collins demanded a trade…..
http://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2016/04/eagles_draft_carson_wentz_sam_bradford_trade.html
Thanks. Great find! It looks like Warner was a June 1 cut by the Rams that year and didn’t sign with the Giants until after they already drafted Eli.
“He could have come out and said…”
Agreed. There are so many better ways Sam and his agent could have handled this.
I think this was their only option, so I can’t blame them too much for what they are trying to accomplish,Tho it looks really bad for SAM that he cant handle us picking. QB at#2. Then again, McNabb cried about us drafting Kobb much later than we are taking Wentz so I prob shouldn’t be too surprised
If nothing else, the drafting of a new qb is a blow to his pride.
Didn’t Jay Cutler basically sulk his way out of Denver at the prospect of having to compete for the starter job? Not sure about his contract status at that point, though.
Why is the League tweeting about who the Eagles want / might get in the draft..? Very strange
I really like Beau though ):
You gotta love Beau, ya know?
I think Buddy had this right: “trade him for a six pack, it doesn’t even have to be cold filtered Rocky Mountain high”… something like that.
The only reason why Bradford is requesting a trade now is because the Broncos have reached out to his camp and expressed interest in him being their franchise guy. He was pretty quiet 6 days ago when the trade was announced.
This would be a great situation for both teams. Bradford gets to play for a Super Bowl team that doesn’t have a young potential star waiting behind him. Denver gets a quality starting QB and only have to pay him around $7 million.
The problem is that Denver doesn’t want to give up what Philly is demanding which is why Bradford and Condon are trying to force the Eagles hand in trading him.
Bradford and Condon aren’t idiots.
SO let’s just accommodate SB and trade him for next to nothing after he cashed the Eagles signing bonus check and signed a 2 year contract because he is afraid to compete and earn his starters position for the long term. Let’s also help out the Broncos and give him away for next to nothing to help them also.
You said this is good for both teams? I don’t see how this helps the Eagles franchise to trade him for way less than market value for a starting QB. No thanks. I would prefer we hold onto him, let him sit out and get fined. He either plays for us or sits out.
I applaud the Eagles for actually taking a stance and not just trying to unload him for nothing. You say Bradford and Condon are not idiots. I would agree with you, but their plan only works if the Eagles cave in. The Eagles caving in and trading him for little value is absolutely not a situation that works for both teams. If Denver sends us a 2nd or a 3rd & 4th then we can talk.
Oops. I meant to say it was good for Condon, Bradford, and Denver.
The Eagles should just stick to their plan and not trade him unless Denver is offering something worth while. Paying him $17 million for 2 years in return for a low 3rd round pick is not worth it.
Bradford doesn’t have much leverage. Him sitting out a year could potentially ruin his career. But right now they have a small window of opportunity to get traded to Denver. I see the angle they’re playing. Either Denver caves, Philly caves, or Bradford is back to proving himself to the rest of the league. It honestly doesn’t hurt them to publicly request a trade. It’ll be forgotten in a few months and I don’t think most teams would hold it against them.
I sincerely hope the Eagles do not cave to his demands. I also do not think this will blow over. Eagles fans will not support someone who openly does not want to be here. His only chance to survive in this town would be if he is playing at a high level. This tactic from him and his agent will make life miserable on him if he does play and plays poorly. That’s my opinion anyway.
They have already turned on Bradford and with them drafting Wentz now he has shot to redeem himself with a decent part of the fan base regardless if he plays pretty well here.
If Santa got pelted with a couple snowballs, just think how bad it will be for Sam.
There’s a lot of non-metal hard objects that can be put inside snow in this world.
I though you were a heavy-metal guy.
I’m into heavy-metal, but I’m also a pragmatist.
Snowball of Doom!
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and yet, the drastically overplayed their hand…
Not really, This is the last card they had to play. Agent found out there ISNT much market for Sam this offseason, so he knows its unlikely a team would offer enough to get the Eagles to trade him, so they are simply trying to make enough noise to get us to dump him on draft night for whatever Roseman can get. Transparant, probably won’t be fooling Roseman or pressuring him into accept a trade for less than he wants… Dount the Bradford camp will still be acting like this if the draft passes and he is still an eagle..
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I don’t blame them, this is the only card they had left to play…. Nice try, doubt it works tho..
I’m glad Howie is handling it and not chip
RIGHT!!! After he handled mathis, thank god Chip ISNT the one making this decision
Except he isn’t a “quality starting QB”.
why the asterisk, I can’t find the footnote.
The draft is kind of boring when there’s no 2nd round pick and you already know who your team is going to take in the 1st.
This year I haven’t even bothered watching youtube videos or reading articles about draft prospects that weren’t projected to go in the top 10.
BALOOPHI’S TEN FOOT POLE LIST
Back by unpopular demand is the annual “Ten Foot Pole” list! Here are my “do not touch” draft prospects in no particular order and – as usual – with no particular reason.
TAYLOR DECKER (OT – OSU)
With our first child due just six weeks hence I’ve been leafing through a baby-name book trying to find one, any one, that isn’t an androgynous colonial-age last name / occupation that when combined with a douchey haircut and undeserving self-confidence sadly paints a portrait of today’s millennial youth. Both “Taylor” and “Decker” are those types of names. Oh, AND he’s got a douchey haircut.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iq6JpRngHN4/maxresdefault.jpg
ROBERT NKEMDICHE (DT – OLE MISS)
Some folks have ascribed character concerns to Nkemdiche who got drunk, fell out of a 4th floor hotel room and later ratted on a teammate. I don’t have character concerns, I have “fell out of a 4th floor hotel room” concerns. If Robert signs a 4 year rookie contract and we assume 10 away games per year (counting pre-season… obviously not playoffs) and subtract 3 games a year for nearby “bus-worthy” destinations, that’s 28 total hotel stays. Even using a conservative estimate that Robert only falls once every 7 hotel stays, that’s still 4 hotel falls! That’s one a season! Given that NFL teams tend to be located in large, non-SEC cities and that the Eagles might have more money to spend on rooms with better views, there’s a decent chance that one of those falls could come from higher than the 4th floor… and that’s when things start to get dangerous. This is one prospect we hope has a low ceiling AND a low floor.
ARTIE BURNS (CB – MIAMI)
You can show me his game tape, hand me his team photo and even introduce me to the man, but there’s no way you draft “Artie Burns from Miami” and a liver-spotted octogenarian wearing cover-up sunglasses and plaid slacks DOESN’T shuffle into NovaCare for rookie mini-camp, tousle a bewildered Howie Roseman’s hair and offer Doug Pederson a delicious hard candy.
PRINCE IWORAH (CB – WESTERN KENTUCKY)
Too soon.
AUSTIN HOOPER (TE – STANFORD)
This has nothing to do with taking another tight end from Stanford. My beef with Mr. Hooper is simply that: “Hooper” – the character Richard Dreyfuss portrayed in the movie “Jaws.” I don’t think I’d be able to watch games and not berate the young tight end with my terrible Quint impression. After every drop: “You got city hands, Mr. Hooper!” As he practices pass blocking: “Stop playing with yourself, Hooper!” When he goes the wrong way on a pass route: “Hooper, you idiot! Starboard!” It wouldn’t be long before I’m limping around the house inventing drinking dirges, murmuring to myself about life jackets, smashing radios, launching into unsolicited monologues about half-eaten shipmates, eyeballing the dimensions of furniture pieces… I will NOT put my family through that again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIbNbR4F7QY
KENDALL FULLER (CB – VIRGINIA TECH)
Kendall has three brothers who all play or played in the NFL: Vincent, Corey and Kyle. The law of averages state that it’s time for a dud. Nobody wants a Cooper Manning, an Alex Van Halen, or any of the other Baldwin brothers.
LAQUAN MCGOWAN (OG / “TE” – BAYLOR)
At 6’6 and 405 pounds, LaQuan is roughly the size and shape of a fully-loaded vending machine, a British telephone box, or my first and last blind date. But it isn’t his girth or life insurance liability that scares me, it’s that he wants to play tight end. Sure, he could flummox defensive coordinators by simultaneously playing in-line and the slot but as I plan on telling my future child when she asks for help with her science fair assignment: “Sorry, I’m not interested in projects.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=figKrE4wZiA
D.J. READER (DT – CLEMSON)
He might be an athletically gifted big man who showed promise and versatility at the Senior Bowl but sadly his name conjures up a patronizing, mid-90’s character conceived by your local school district to get you interested in learning. There’d be a big a book drive during the week culminating in a post-lunch assembly where your librarian would announce the guest of honor, D.J. Reader – your principal clad offensively in saggy jeans, gold chains and wearing a baseball hat backwards. He’d take the microphone and begin rapping with the following line: “Well I’m D.J. Reader and I’m here to say / I love Dewey Decimal in a major way.” Years later he’d be arrested for peddling child pornography.
ROBERTO AGUAYO (K – FSU)
According to the Internet an “aguayo” is a colorful Andean textile used to carry children and other items on one’s back. Should Donald Trump become President and deport anyone he deems Mexican, Roberto might get “kicked” out and actually need an aguayo to carry his belongings.
* Roberto is an American citizen, born in Florida… but that’s only relevant if you believe in birth certificates.
** This concern also applies to JIHAD WARD (DE – ILLINOIS)… but not CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG (QB – PENN STATE).
DENNIS NORFLEET (WR – TUSKEGEE)
Measurables: 5’6, 159 pounds, 4.64 second 40. That means we can honestly say that Dennis is neither big, NOR FLEET.
Agree on all but McGowan. I want that fat slab of beef.
As always, you put too much time and effort into this, but it is highly entertaining and much appreciated. The Artie Burns one is phenomenal, really nice work there. For the British telephone box guy, is he somehow bigger on the inside?
When I saw Hooper, I thought you were going to go down a Burt Reynolds path.
Aren’t we all going down a Burt Reynolds path?
Hopefully not including his bad choices in various hair pieces over the years.
And going Lonnie Anderson over Bailey Porter.
Brilliant as always
I’d trade up to #1 overall for EZ Reader.
dude, this post might be the best thing on the internet this week..
Pulitzer worthy.
Also is Taylor Decker wearing a cardigan?
When one is named after a tailor, one must keep up appearances.
Just think, one day eight years from now, as you are piloting your flying car from soccer practice to Brownies with a non-Colonial, non-occupational named girl in the backseat eating a PB&J and you eating a PB&we need to put jelly on the grocery list, you can think, “Holy hell, I used to create top-10 lists for Iggles Blitz in my spare time just for fun. Spare time, I remember that. I used to like that.”
Hopefully, this will lead to the realization that shuttling around not-Sawyer, along with siblings not-Hunter, not-Cooper, and not-Scout is women’s work and you have a community that misses you, that needs you.
We can then follow up your classic top-10 list with a classic Iggles Blitz pledge drive to contribute to your new bachelor pad rent. It will be great!
This feels all too real…
Baloophi, thanks again for your hard work and research on this. I hope Howie has enough time to shuffle his draft board before tomorrow night. I can’t remember, have the Eagles ever selected someone from previous Ten Foot Pole Lists?
That is a great question.
Ha! I did a quick sweep and sadly yes: Joe Kruger in 2013. It was a variation of this year’s Kendall Fuller warning:
JORDAN RODGERS (QB – VANDERBILT), JOE KRUGER (DE – UTAH)
Just because your older brothers are NFL stars doesn’t mean you will be, too. Tell ‘em, Casey.
Ignore the 10 foot pole list at your own peril!
I regret that I can only give one vote to this masterpiece.
fantastic
this is great especially the Monty Burns one. I would like to see this applied to other non-football topics. Like maybe a “10 things I would never do as a character on Game of Thrones” etc. (turn my back on someone here to kill me; brag about how I am going to kill someone while they are still alive, rather than just kill them and then talk smack; etc.) This is not just a football blog.
<3 <3 <3
amazing work
Bravo!! Damn that was hilarious
So i have been trying to think of how i would like the draft to play out and hit on a scenario that i think would great for the Eagles and might cause WIP to burn to the ground with the #Hottakes!
1) Wentz – Obviously
3) Javon Hargrave – I want to come out of this draft with a DT, because that is the strength of this draft class and we need 1 gap penetrating DL for the future. Think he can be a very good player in 2-3 years and i love the idea of him and Cox lined up rushing on 3rd and long.
3 (Bradford Trade) – Joe Haeg – I wont claim to be an OL expert when draft evaluating but he seems an athletic hard worker who needs time and an NFL weight room to be ready to play in the NFL. He can get that with the Eagles and it would be a fun story.
And there we have it the all 1AA top the draft which should send idiot fans into a frenzy and leave Chip having a seizure.
PS. Coming around on the following trade – Bradford for Denver’s 3rd in 2016 and a conditional pick depending on performance in 2017.
Give me Rashard Higgins and James Cowser and we can form FCS all star team
TYRONE HOLMES and Deandre Houston Carson
I kinda want Howie to draft only FCS players and Im not even sure it would be a bad draft
Would be amazing and i think it would generally work out, since i think i read somewhere FBS players when drafted have a higher success rate at the NFL level compared to the average.
Getting Hargraves at #79 is my best case scenario. Need a DT with #79, how realistic is him being available when we pick in the 3rd?
No trade with Denver that doesn’t include Bradley Roby… We traded a player on a rookie deal and a pick for SAM, I wouldn’t trade him for less than we paid…
before I say that’s not enough, tell me what round the conditional would be and what are the conditions? If it’s just say 8 starts and a decent pick, ok. If it’s another 5th rounder for throwing for 5k yards, I don’t like the deal.
think it is something between a 2nd and a 5th depending on performance. Win SB we get a 2nd, goes to playoffs having played 10+ games get a 3rd. Start 10+ games get a 4th, if he is Sam Badford and gets injured get a 5th.
You can’t applaud Howie R. enough for all these FA signings this off season. Even the under the radar ones are not older than 25 and 26 years old and could still have their best years ahead of them. Low risk – high reward. Impressive.
he also traded away Murray and Maxwell who were waaaay underperforming their contracts, and although didn’t get much in return both trades helped facilitate the trade up to #2. He has been impressive.
Now let’s hope he could put the icing on the cake by trading Sammy pussy away for a 2nd and 3rd rounder in return!
After how easily chip łet Mathis get away as soon as he was unhappy, letting him go for nothing. I’d like to see Roseman rule with an iron fist and put an end to athletes with contracts thinking they can leave whenever they want even tho it’s not WHATS best for the Eagles…Unless a team blows our socks off with an offer, I hope Roseman digs in, let’s the bradford camp kick and scream for the next 3’days, until the draft passes and camp bradford has no leverage left
This I agree with 100 %. If the Sam Bradford of the 2015 preseason was worth a second rounder and a rookie QB prospect with genuine streaks of good gameplay, the 2016 Sam Bradford has to be worth at least the same; A second rounder and a young starting caliber type player. Last year he was 2 years removed from meaningless football and was still hobbling around. This year he is healthy after a season of football is still only 28 and has flashed the ability to play well once again (okay, some debate, but at the very least not worse than before 2015, which is my point). Sooo…. If he is NOT worth that THIS time around, the conclusion has to be that Chipper overpaid grossly a year ago. For what its worth, I think he is. If teams view him as a viable starter (they should, he is) a couple of picks from the first three rounds is not a lot to give up to fill that hole on the roster with something that at least gives you a chance to compeet. Its not exactly like there are other competent free agency QB’s out there that are waiting for jobs..
I’d feel better about our ability to trade Taylor Hart and Beua Allen if this wasn’t such a stacked DT draft…. Doubt we can get picks in return. Probably have to agree to some player for player deal to dump them.. Although if anyone can get proper trade value its Howie
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Lol @ VICK trying to get signed by the Eagles since SAM requested a trade
Yo Tyler,
your wish may come true.. According to Adam Schefter a 4th + a player could be accepted in an offer for Bradford.
Ty Sambrailo + Cody Latimer + 4th from the Broncos?!
Roby straight up HAHAHAHAHA
who? Ah, Bradley Roby. Don’t know much about him tbh.
their young CB Bradley Roby
Just checked his stats. Doesn’t wow me at all. I hope the Eagles will get more in return for Sammy pussy.
Roby got picked on a bit due to Talib being on the other side, still good young CB (better than Gilbert hahaha)
Isn’t Cliff Harris on the other side? Tony has mostly been Nickel. I can’t remember if Harris missed time this year or if that was prior year
Sammy pussy for Cliff Harris straight up and I will cream my pants!
CJ Harris.
Cliff Harris is the former Oregon Duck who was really good the year they lost to Auburn, then had a couple bad seasons got pulled over for driving like 110, ran a 4.7, and then couldn’t make the Eagles with Chip as head coach.
Yea I remember him. It’s Chris Harris for Broncos. Cliff / Chris, close enough lol
Chris Harris Jr…… yeah you would be correct
Roby played way better than his stats and flashed real ability last year. He was a highly regarded prospect in the draft and showed promise as a solid starter. If we can somehow get him in a deal along with another player and/or a later round pick I would consider it a very good transaction for the eagles. Kind of takes care of one of our questionsmarks for the future at a position of need.
That’s why I said previously that I didn’t know much about him nor did I see him play a lot with my own eyes.
Roby is legit.
I don’t think it’s going to be Roby, they were rumored to be considering cutting Talib to fit Brock and Von, he’s probably still first one out the door.
hoping lol
Yes please
Gotta love Mike Vick lol
Reportin’ for duty!
tbph I wouldn’t mind him to come back for another year.
ditto…..imagine if his life was together when he came into the league.
He’s been awful for years.
Better to bring back Koy.
hahahaha
Why not bring back both Koy AND Ty?!
Jeff Garcia.
AJ Feeley!!!!!
boo
i’ll tell you what he did look bad-ass in our midnight green.
So much he’s a permanent fixture on the Igglesblitz banner.
Hell yeah he did. I want that swagger back at the qb position.
if he swaggers too much he fumbles
Darlington reports that Jets have no interest in Bradford, and that Bradford does not want to to play for Chip Kelly… Lol that Leaves Denver… Wish I could be a fly in the room to see Sams reaction when Denver acquires Kapernick and drafts a rookie QB
I’m guessing that a whining QB that doesn’t want to play for your team isn’t a particularly attractive trade target, meaning the 49ers are not likely to give up draft picks for Bradford. However, seriously, how does Bradford not only demand a trade but also call the shots? What garbage.
i was hoping to get a 2nd rounder + Sanchez back from Denver HAHAHAHAHHA………screw it their 1st rounder
Taking back Sanchez removes all the fun from trading SAM to Denver to steal Sanchez dream job
I just feel bad for Sanchez because everywhere he goes he is eskimo brothers with Tebow……….in every locker Sanchez has used it says “Tebow knelt here 3:16”
I think my dream scenario would be their 1st and 4th or 2nd and 4th.
If we trade Bradford to Denver, do you think Sanchez throws a fit and demands to be traded to an Arena League team where he can “be the man?”
hahaahah
the Soul are to good, they wouldnt want him lol
So happy to hear this. Stick it to Denver or tough shit for Sam.
It would be funny if someone actually bit and gave us 2 good picks for that loser, especially after this ham-handed move up. Howie would become the most popular GM the Eagles had ever had, through a combination of blundering luck and unreasonable greed.
yeah elway’s not going to be that guy.
I’ve doubted Howie in the past. I’ll say this. He gets what he wants most of the time.
Not sure how he does it, but he’s good at making his moves.
We’ll see, the recent moves we have no idea if they’ll work out or not yet
trading to Denver has the higher potential hurt to us if somehow (and for all kinds of reasons it’s unlikely) he helps them win a SB. Yes that would bother me.
I need a premium payment to account for this. No F way do I dump him for a low pick.
win SB next year 1st next year.. win 2 playoff games.. 2nd rounder.. win no playoff games 3rd rounder.. and we take a player this year as well??
I don’t think we have to worry about Bradford being the guy to push anybody over the hump to the Super Bowl.
I would tend to agree, except he played better than both Manning and Brock and they got their SB…
Yup. He’s an upgrade for sure. For whatever that’s worth.
I hope that Iron Howie is using this obvious tampering by Denver in the Bradford Affair to his further advantage. “John, why don’t you give us #31 for Sam and we’ll drop the stink we’re about to make in New York about you putting ideas in Condon’s head to get them to pressure us — while Bradford was under contract. You saw what happened to the last AFC West team that f’d with one of our players.”
Need hard evidence to get a punishment. Maclin stupidly said Andy was phoning him and lobbying for him to join the Chiefs during the tampering window (cannot talk to players just agents).
So unless you can find some emails or some insider speaks out i cannot see how you can prove the obvious tampering.
I think we’ve learned Gooddell can do what he wants.
To players sure… but to to his bosses? Needs a little bit more evidence or a vast majority of owners to be pushing for it (Skins/Cowboys in uncapped year). Think only people who are worried about this are the Eagles and Bronco’s.
tampering is different, but Pats lost a 1st and 4th and like $1M on this deflategate right? Maybe tampering is within a different section of the CBA. I don’t know. I doubt anything happens re: tampering.
Oh i am sure they would loose picks and a $$$ if they could prove it. Tampering with a QB who has just signed a new deal thats an absolute no no, but you need to have evidence to go down that route and i do not see how they get that unless their is a snitch.
it’s not even helpful to us if there is a trade to be made. Oh we can have their 2nd in a trade? oh no the NFL just took it for tampering.
It’s basically impossible to prove.
“Oh hey we have phone records of you calling CAA”
“Oh we were just calling about seeing if Brady Quinn wanted to come in for a workout”
“That seems like bullcrap”
“PUT ME TO THAT BODY!”
How about “Roger, no other team other than the Broncos discussed Bradford after his trade demands went public. When I reached out to the Jets and 49ers they both said no thanks. We both know Condon would not have gone public without interest from another team.”
49ers GM Trent Baalke told ESPN’s Bob Holtzman that “it’s possible” Colin Kaepernick could be traded this week.
of course it’s possible.
It’s also not possible, which is also useful information.
surprise Albright didn’t break that news of someone to be traded, unless he’s not traded…
There’s a strong chance he actually will break that news. As well as a good chance he won’t. You heard it hear first. #SCOOP
As well as not impossible.
TFY Draft Insider Tony Pauline reports the 49ers “desperately covet” Oregon DE DeForest Buckner. — chip up to his old tricks?
Schefter joined 97.5’s Morning Show today, and added that a player and fourth-round pick could be the compensation the Eagles want for Bradford. Also Dennis Kelly extended.
Yep Von Miller lol. But seriously i think that might make sense for both parties. All depends on the player. Roby would probably do it for me but not sure if many other players move my needle
yeah probably has to be ol? maybe wr?
http://scoutsnotebook.com/2015/02/06/scouting-report-ot-ty-sambrailo/
then the player needs to be a starter for us, right? Why do this for a backup who won’t be on the team in a few years. I’m not willing to move from a 2nd to a 4th for someone who isn’t a pretty good player.
Players Denver has that could move the needle for the Eagles:
Bradley Roby- I don’t think it’s going to be him. Talib is 30 and has a high salary, there was word Talib was likely to get cut if they had to squeeze Brock and Von Miller both under the salary cap.
Shane Ray- Played in a wide 9 in college. Maybe Schwartz absolutely loves him.
Ty Sambraillo- This is the guy I would really want. He would be my OT3 in this draft. Denver just signed Okung and have Donald Stephenson and Michael Schofield. Here’s my report on Sambraillo from last year
http://scoutsnotebook.com/2015/02/06/scouting-report-ot-ty-sambrailo/
Aqib Talib- Makes no sense for this team
Shaq Barret- Would be a nice complimentary rusher but wouldn’t move the needle enough
Cody Latimer- Like Barret, more of a sweetener than the focal point of any deal
and what would Ty likely be for us, first off the bench OT this year and RT next year?
Yes. He would play when Peters inevitably breaks this year, would be RT in 2017 and has LT feet and is a hedge against Lane not working out at LT.
thanks. Ok I’ll take that. Do we get a pick too in this scenario?
What I proposed yesterday was Sambraillo as the focal piece, a midround pick (probably like a late 3 or 4), and then a sweetener (I used Cody Lattimer could also be a 2017 or 2018 midround pick)
that sounds good. Maybe too much from Denver. What do I know. Getting an OT that we think can start almost seems enough to me.
Maybe a touch but they are moving a bunch of spare parts for a starting QB.
Would be crazy if we could get that, but I think Denver is getting desperate for a QB and Bradford will be cheap this year
It’s alot but it makes Denver far better wihtout giving up anything they’ll terribly miss.
No faith in JP!
“Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing, or a belief not based in proof”
So, you’re saying you do have faith in Peters.
Exactly. No faith!
So no concerns that Demver brought in two other Tackles? Does Ty even start in Denver?
If not and they don’t want him, why would he be better with is?
I could see Talib being part of trade but going to a 3rd team. Miami has been rumored to have interest and he might also be a fit with CHI and SF.
The Eagles should start negotiating with KC to send Bradford there. That will put more pressure on Elway to make a bad deal.
KC already has a starter…
not a good one
they went 11-5. They are not trading for a QB with a worse track record…
And Bradford is a good one?
Substitute the Ottawa Redblacks for KC and you might be on to something.
How many picks can the Redblacks give us in this draft?
Are they an AFC West team?
As a new expansion team, that should be #1 overall!!!! And we can get Goff and Wentz!!!
http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/04/27/nfl-draft-2016-carson-wentz-north-dakota-state
Anyone know why Wentz didn’t start until his junior year?
He sat behind a guy that led them to 3 straight FCS championships. Had to wait for him to graduate.
I heard they actually wanted to play him sooner but can’t justify benching a QB coming off to straight championships… Could be BS just trying to prop Wentz up tho
Brock Jensen was the established QB and won 3 national titles.
Yeah his coach was speaking about this and said that he could not bench a QB who was a senior and had won 2 straight championships regardless of how good Wentz was felt he could not do that to Jensen.
i can respect that.
why is this coach not getting D1 looks?
So do you know why Brock isn’t in the NFL or if he got a shot? I see he’s playing for the Ottawa Redblacks of the Canadian Football League.
He was a camp body for the Dolphins in 2014. He was a really good FCS QB, just a really marginal NFL QB.
Thank u sir.
He does not have an NFL arm from people that i have read.
I mean Lindy’s thinks we’re drafting him 2nd overall though so who knows…
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61ZCZh5CpbL._AC_UL320_SR244,320_.jpg
Tim Tebow won 2 National Championships + a Heisman. Being a good college QB doesn’t mean success in the NFL
Maybe Armanti Edwards is a better comp. Won 3 straight NC’s with App State when they were still FCS. Never even got shot to play QB in NFL. I think forced to switch to wideout, and didn’t last long.
Not sure that Jensen won them the titles. I know they have a “system”, but I’d feel better if Wentz had been able to beat him out by his own third year on the team.
I don’t get the feeling anyone’s making that argument, though. The idea is that the coach isn’t going to bench his senior leader who was part of championship teams for 3 seasons, regardless of who is actually the better QB at the moment.
I’m not happy about Wentz’s lack of starts either, but the fact that his coach showed loyalty to Jensen under those circumstances is not an issue for me.
I’d still prefer that Wentz was too good to keep off the field.
Yes largely it was the system, but Jensen was a really good QB at the level, and they lost a whopping total of 2 games, and beat Minnesota, Colorado State, and K-State during Jensens time there. You’re not benching that guy, not because a redshirt sophomore may be an NFL prospect in 3 years. You would have an open coup.
No, but ideally Wentz was so clearly better they couldn’t keep him off the field. Trust me, I understand the dynamic of respecting your senior leaders. But the ideal QB prospect forces himself into the lineup, unless he was behind someone else who’s in the league. Hey, I like the guy, hope he develops into a great QB.
Wentz’s 4.0 was in gym?
“Majoring in health education and physical education with a minor in psychology”
Pretty much.
I know you like Goff, but do you think jumping for Wentz is a mistake? I’m not huge on college eval, but people touting his brains 4.0 at NDSU in gym and wonderlic and winning to titles when the guy before him won 3 and was barely drafted, seems like a huge risk – at least a lot of projection for what it cost to move up and take him.
I don’t love Wentz. I think he’s a solid prospect with alot of tools but he makes me really nervous. If we got him at 8 or 13 I would have been much more comfortable. Goff is a far better prospect to me.
With that being said, I don’t mind them trying to get a guy they view as a potential franchise QB. I’m tired of the carousel of cross your fingers, squint your eyes, and hope that a retread or mid round QB is the future of the franchise. If he’s a franchise QB no price paid is too high. So I don’t mind the move at all.
I also am optimistic by the infrastructure in place to help him develop. Plenty of QBs with franchise QB potential have been broken early in their career due to bad staffs and poor developmental planning.
So in conclusion, don’t love Wentz but totally understand and support the move.
I’m hoping it’s a A. Rogers path. (I am not saying Wentz = Rogers) Rogers was underrated because of several factors that were yet to be developed in his career. Maybe Wentz, giving time, will develop in those areas of concerns. I have no idea on talent evaluation – just going by what people are saying on nfl network that right now Goff is ahead of Wentz – but long term, Wentz has more upside. True or not, that gives hope…
“I’m hoping it’s A. Ro[d]gers path.
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Not sure I see the comp.
Rodgers slid to Green Bay at No. 24 in Rd 1 — with no extra assets spent to acquire him.
He also spent 3 full years on the bench — whereas the projection with Wentz is likely 1 maybe 2.
Other than that, I guess they’re comparable.
I’m guessing the comp being QB A sat on bench behind starter for x years and became an All-World QB. Hopefully our QB B, will sit on bench for x years and also become an All-World QB
the comparison is all through college and even in the draft Rogers was overlook as an “elite” player(his nfl path is actually very interesting). Rogers was a late bloomer. Hoping Wentz is being overlooked and a late bloomer. It was only a month ago nobody wanted Wentz in the top 10, never mind at 2. Even at 2, you can’t find anyone predicting Wentz to be elite.
I hope and hope there will someday be talk of Wentz and Rodgers being comparable.
Is wentz the only non-goff QB that you’d support moving up for this year?
I would totally support the move if Roseman and the Eagles brain trust really thought that Wentz has a good chance of being an elite player. Some people are comparing him to Andrew Luck but I see a 24 year old playing against weak competition. I’m not much of a talent evaluator but nothing from his videos really sticks out. If the Eagles made the move for the sake of getting a QB, I would be extremely disappointed.
In my eyes Bradford was a quality starter. He made good decisions, was accurate, and did well despite having a weak Oline, no run game, receivers who dropped passes and couldn’t get open. He’s only 28, and was under a 2 year deal to show that he could stay healthy long term. I wanted the team to go out and build a great defense, acquire play-makers on offense, and rebuild that line.
Now the team has given up 3 potential starters- 8th pick, next year’s 1st, and 2018’s 2nd. It sucked not having a 2nd this year but it at least you could say we got a quality starting QB out of it. Now our QB is a lame duck making that 2nd rounder a loss.
The Eagles have basically given up two 2nds, two 1sts, a 3rd and a 4th in order to acquire a QB.
Agree 1000%. Bradford ran that crappy offense pretty well. The former rushing leader ended up with like 600yds running a bad offense but bradford gets no chip kelly discount.
But if I think Demarco was primarily bad due to bad vision and heavy legs more than the offense do I still have to discount it?
Yeah I would agree you aren’t a talent evaluator.
Eagles O-line wasn’t as bad as you think it was. Also, it’s bogus to cherry pick a streak of games where Bradford looked OK.
“If the Eagles made the move for the sake of getting a QB”
These guys have staked their professional futures on this. It wasn’t oh well we need a shiny new QB.
Sam is not a top 20 QB. He’s Cassel, Fitzpatrick or Schaub. The just put 21 all pros around him and then he’ll be good argument is awful.
The 2nd round pick is a sunk cost. It’s gone and thinking that you have to keep rolling with Sam because of the 2nd is poor logic.
You realisitically gave up 1 starter. 1st round picks have about a 60% success rate. So of those three picks 2 are likely to become good starters. And you still got pick 2 back so it’s a net of one starter. Not the end of the world.
They likely gave up one starter and a couple contributors for what they view as the long term answer at QB. I’ll take that any day of the week.
“These guys have staked their professional futures on this. It wasn’t oh well we need a shiny new QB.”
Except that guys have done that in the past. And at one point in the recent past, I would have scoffed that this FO would be foolish like this. But my trust in Lurie in particular and this FO in general has pretty much evaporated at this point. You may be right. But I think there’s too much blood in the water to call it ridiculous to think that this FO was desperate for a shiny new QB. It certainly seems like a large portion of the fanbase is.
I think there are some small reasons to worry that Lurie is becoming impatient. But to believe that they did this just because they want a shiny new toy caution be damned feels ridiculous.
Math on the picks is a little funny. Would counter with Colin Kap in SF during the Harbaugh years and Alex Smith in KC, I’d even look at Blake Bortles and the weapons he has in Jax. OK QBs can put up numbers w/ good players. Fitz w/ the Jets another example, scheme familiar plus Brandon Marshall = career year. Look at Foles w/ Maclin / Djax and Foles with Sam’s old team.
Also, I don’t know if you can outright accuse him of cheating, but he certainly had an unfair advantage in the GPA and Wonderlic areas by the fact that his limited experience means far less brain damage than the rest of the prospects.
ooohhhhh
Truthbomb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpaOy8b8X6A
in the same camp.
More proof that he is intelligent, not wasting his time with stressful classes.
It also shows an admirable focus–the intricacies of teaching dodgeball are far more relevant to an NFL career than, God Forbid! a BA in, say, Fashion Design.
think he got extra credit for being a qb?
I think QBs get extra a lot.
Just like lead singers and guitar players (speaking as a bassist).
But we couldn’t do it without you.
Thanks, the support/utility role isn’t for everyone… but I dig it.
I attempt to be one of those guys that hangs out with musicians…. a drummer lol
You have my respect. I’ve tried playing drums, and don’t because I can’t get all four appendages to cooperate with each-other in a musically appealing way.
Congas?
Good idea. Would certainly strech me in a new direction. Not sure if I’m cool enough to be a conga player though 😉
me too as a guitar player. Gotta say though, those jokes were always about the drummers. Funny though the drummer in our band years ago was the best musician and still playing where as we are not.
I know a drummer in town, who has his own gig, who tells the audience at every show that he’s the only drummer he knows who has perfect pitch.
i have trouble with 4 fingers doing what i want lol
Counterpoint: He’s Alex Moran
North Dakota State has rigorous academic criteria across their curriculum.
Doesn’t change the fact that he pretty much aced the Wonderlic. Based on how well he did on Wonderlic, you can be confident he has an IQ of 140+. That would be considered gifted/genius intelligence (close to 3 standard deviations from the mean)
NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reports the Browns at No. 8 overall “have been having discussions with teams behind them” who want to trade up for Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott. – be interesting to see how many picks they end up with. they did let a lot of people go this year.
I don’t know if it’s idle speculation but Cbssports Will Brinson says : The Cowboys and Jaguars could be engaged in a battle to move up a spot or two in order to nab the top defensive back in the draft. in a mock draft.
Cowboys are getting a really good player no matter what but I’d still like Jaguars to jump up to 3 for Ramsey.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25567726/nfl-mock-draft-jaguars-shake-things-up-trade-up-for-ramsey
Please
I can see that as the Cowboys, they have no need for Tunsil and he and Ramsey are the top tier of prospects in this draft (injury issues with Jack pushes him down a little).
I think They can get a great RB in the 2nd round and i think there is a significant difference between Ramsey and Bosa in terms of ceiling and ability.
I hope they take Bosa.
Of course he could be copying PFF which is not based on any inside info. But GMs are copying PFF too.
Per PFF:
This mock draft is based on what I would do as the general manager of each team, and apparently I’ve been a busy GM in recent weeks with trades re-shaping the top of the draft.:
3. TRADE: Jacksonville Jaguars (from San Diego Chargers) – Jalen Ramsey, CB, Florida State
In a trade that makes sense for both teams, the Jaguars secure their best fit in Ramsey and give up a third-round pick to leapfrog the Dallas Cowboys and ensure they get their guy. For San Diego, they are deciding between Ramsey and DeForest Buckner, though Buckner is likely their best fit and they feel safe moving down two spots knowing that Buckner is unlikely to be picked by the Cowboys. Ramsey’s floor is that of a versatile defensive chess piece that can play over slot (using his nation-leading run stop grade to play the run like a linebacker), cover tight ends, or even dabble at free safety. As for his ceiling, with only one full year as a true cornerback, there is still room to develop given his length and athleticism and he could still become one of the league’s best cornerbacks.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/04/25/draft-mock-draft-6-0-trade-at-no-3-shakes-up-top-of-draft/
Why would the Cowboys have to trade up to get Ramsey? If the chargers dont want Ramsey he will fall to dallas. If the Chargers do want Ramsey, probably not gonna let dallas trade for him.
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jags need to jump the Cowboys and swap with Chargers if San Diego ISNT going to take Ramsey, of course..
To prevent Jags or another team trading up for him.
Could be… Not sure how common or rare that is(drawing a blank trying to come up with an example).. Common to see a team do what the Jags would hypothetically be doing, trading ahead of a team they think will take the guy that they want.. Not sure how often a team has actually traded up just to counter the chance that another team will trade ahead of them.
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They would have to have Ramsey Rated head and shoulders over the DE’s which is a more valuable position and a much bigger need for them than a DB.. Unfortunately for Dallas, in that scenario they aren’t a threat to steal the player the Chargers would target in a trade down. If they were gonna take Tunsil or Ramsey, they can get him at 4 or 5, so Dallas would have to beat the Jaguars offer, and Ramsey has to be like 5 grade points better than players at their other needs to go thru all that… But I guess it’s plausible.
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Personally, I wouldn’t even look at DBs until I got my DL straightened out. Ramsey, like most DBs, won’t stand a chance until they get some edge rushers.
Before NFL commissioner Roger Goodell opened the draft, Minnesota swapped its No. 3 choice for Cleveland’s No. 4 pick, with the Vikings also getting fourth, fifth and seventh rounders.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7859719/2012-nfl-draft-cleveland-browns-trade-minnesota-vikings-no-3-pick-source-says
Would be hilarious if jags traded up to 3, then DAL called us about trading to #2 for Ramsey. Recoup some lost picks, and still get wentz at 4
Eagles would be scared Dallas would take Wentz.
That would be glorious
LA in 2017 and Philly in 2018 would work for me but i would love to have the draft in the Philadelphia
Would they hold it at Wells Fargo? Wouldn’t that conflict with Sixers home playoff games?
Trust the Process
sure
convention center?
I’m down with it as long as they don’t give shoulderpad Shaun draft night exposure.
Of course, it’s the year the Eagles don’t pick in round one… so, it’s the only year that you can safely hold a draft in Philly without a near guaranteed riot.
could you imagine the boo’s the cowboys/giants/redskins would get during their picks lol
no one should even be able to hear those picks.
poor kids getting drafted will be bummed, as they should be
Cut the phone cords of all other NFCE teams – no picks getting in.
We really should devise a plan to start booing, but then break out into laughter and cheering at their pick.
Dumbest thing I heard all week. They going to finally give us a draft the one year we won’t have a 1st round pick? Sure hope not… Push the philly draft Til 2018
If this happens, they should not only invite Mr. Lawlor to come annouce the 7th round pick in 2017… they should let him make the 7th round pick.
A speedball white DT from App State or the draft rights to Megan Fox? Decisions Decisions.
White lightning can have more than one meaning.
Wow, the FoxSports article about how the Eagles are the most dysfunctional team in the NFL has 636 comments!
We have been pretty dysfunctional for some years. From T.O. till now. It’s not a pretty picture
Because we haven’t consistently gone to the NFC title game? I don’t see it. Oh well. Certainly saw it last year.
Def last year, this year so far, 2012 was pretty bad. But worse than the skins, bears, browns, bucs, cowboys, etc.? Nah, but I will say mentioning the eagles will get you clicks.
This year has been dysfunctional? Seems like there is a pretty set plan in place and the whole organization is on board with it.
If you count a pouty player toward dysfunction, I guess so. When I think of organizational dysfuntion, I typically don’t consider individual players. If the whole team is in revolt mode or something, yeah. One cry baby? Meh.
Wut? Signing Bradford and then moving up for a project continues the desperate and weird moves that have cursed the team ever since the Dream.
I guess I am mincing words again, but we are talking about dysfunction. Sure you can disagree with the move. Sure the team is desperate for a QB (what team that doesn’t have a Franchise guy isn’t?).
I don’t think any of us thought the Dream Team season was “weird” when they were making the moves. Sure many of us said maybe they added to much, but we all thought they were solid moves at the time. The blue print Denver used to get to win the big one wasn’t all that different was it? Just because something doesn’t work doesn’t mean it wasn’t the right idea at the time. Executing and other circumstances play a big role.
You can have your opinions of what the team is doing. I personally am a QB by any means necessary kind of guy. While I am uncomfortable with what has been given up, I am totally behind it if you think this gives you the best shot at getting The Guy.
Seems to me the team is functioning like a well oiled machine. Maybe they are headed directly at a 1000ft cliff, but it certainly seems like a calculated route.
So many contradictions in that article. Like dude, make a coherent thought.
The dude is on the radio now trying to defend his silly argument
I was wondering if Bradford did this to ice the chance of a trade. He wants to stay in Phila for a year as an audition and knows by going public he has no leverage.
If he wanted to stay he would still be in the off season program learning the new offense, not demanding to be traded
Wishful thinking.
by publicly becoming a whiny malcontent?
that only hurts his value
Exactly.
Is this theory somehow related to players suffering brain trauma?
No, it’s pretty half-baked as a theory, admittedly. And I did a poor job of explaining it. If Bradford wants to stay here for a year and not be traded (especially to the 49ers) and thinks he’ll have a better year with Philadelphia and can leverage that into a big contract next year. So he comes out and publicly says he wants a trade knowing that spikes his value and lets him stay in Philly for one more year.
reminds me of Princess Bride
I’m really glad that the Cowboys will continue to not drafting a QB again. May Tony Romo’s back live forever!!
I just really really really hope they don’t find their next long-term solution before we do.
ya thats the key and it goes for the Skins and Gmen also
There’s no reason Morris can’t do well there. He’s certainly an upgrade on McFadden, and could be ideal behind that line.
What does that have to with the post strawman?
I saw RB, not QB. Been on my brain that they won’t be taking Elliott. So take it easy, cowardly lion. 😉
Take what easy lol? Now you’re getting defensive and you’re telling me to do something because you fucked up lol. Just say my bad. Don’t get on me.
Lol
Ha!
You’re going to jinx it.
I think Dallas plan is to pounce on FOles as soon as the Rams inevitably cut him
hahaha please do.
“Ole Miss LT Laremy Tunsil is being sued by his stepfather for an alleged assault that happened last June. Lindsey Miller, Tunsil’s stepdad, claims Tunsil attacked him and defamed his character, causing “intentional inflection of emotional distress.” – Roto
Good lord. The fact that any of these kids make it out with a decent head on their shoulders is amazing.
I would take such news shortly before the Draft with more than a grain of salt.
There was a point in time where salt and gold held the same value. But being as you’re a German and not a Phoenician… I assume you’re referring to the modern day value of salt.
Yeah, that’s pretty much been debunked. The Roman “salary” could never have been worth as much as gold, especially given Rome had been blessed with a great deal of salt deposits in its area. There was rarely a time, anywhere, that average peasants did not have access to salts.
That’s the problem with history. It keeps changing.
I know, huh? Imagine how McNabb will be thought of in 20 years.
Oh i’m sure it’s step dad trying to get $, but i couldn’t imagine my dad doing that to me, or to have that type of relationship with a “parent”.
Are you a soon-to-be multi millionaire?! No offense and if you are lucky you. 😉
if i was i probably wouldn’t be spending my time w/ you guys.
That’s a bit harsh, don’t you think?
Seems like hurting Tunsil’s draft stock would also hurt his maximum earnings. Step-dad should’ve waited until after the draft to sue…
“inflection”? WTH?
Well, a lot of you guys are always pining for someone with a nasty streak. Someone who can cause distress simply by the way they say a word could be quite an asset.
“56 is the Mike, 56 is the Mike…and 93 pretends to empathize with his teammates but secretly judges them in his mind.”
Tunsil… you get out there and inflect as much damage as possible!
“timing” can be used as such a weapon….
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I guess his stepfather is trying to make sure he doesn’t see a dime of Tunsils new bank account
who knows, maybe step dad was getting out of sorts with mom and big man had to lay down the law. He can afford a better lawyer now
Looks like a money grab, which is kind of dumb because the timing could potentially screw with his earning power. Might want to make sure the kid gets his money before you start trying to take it from the kid….. Step father sounds like a great guy lol
When Rivers came in, Brees stepped up and went to the pro bowl. Quite a different approach
There were so many fans that wanted to trade Bradford before all this drama came up. I didn’t think it was possible to screw an agent like Condon by signing his client just to turn around and trade him… But for the fans that wanted SAM traded, this is the best thing that could happen because it now it does Open up the option to trade him.. I wasn’t one of those fans and still prefer keeping Sam, but i can understand trading him if we get real value in return, like Roby, a young stud on a rookie contract, a CB which is a position Roseman and the Eagles haven’t evaluated well in recent history… But I do still value having SAM so I would be pretty annoyed if they dump him for average at best compensation. If he wants to give back that 7mil, Id be willing to trade him for less. But after what we paid for him, the compensation needs to make sense, which means including a quality young player and a draft pick.
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There is real value in keeping SAM as a QB, so they better not trade him unless we get something that can really help us improve. Agent is trying to get us to just dump him for whatever we can get, FUCK THAT…. But if the right trade comes along, like Bradley Roby and a conditional pick Next year that depends on how well he does for Denver, that could interest me… The problem is I really like the idea of Redshirting Wentz, and trading SAM means Tiny Chase Daniel is 1 hit away from having to bring in the rookie… I guess if we trade SAM we could just pick
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/725401899285901312
what’s even the point if no compensation was discussed. Would you ever trade him, ever? the answer is of course. No one is untradeable for the right price.
ok thanks we’ll get back to you.
My guess is some compensation discussion happened.
It’s entirely believable Howie is trying to drive the price up by showing he is not interested in trading him since there are limited trade options.
Kepernick, Glennon can be had via trade, If Roseman really does actually want to trade Sam, he better not play chicken for too long, because if Denver pulls the trigger on a Kap trade and the Jets acquire Glennon, there is no where left to ship him since he not only is demanding a trade, but he is allegedly against playing for Chip again
All this talk of Broncos trading for QBs like Bradford or Kapernick, their best bet may be to trade for Glennon, Talented kid on an expiring cheap rookie deal. Denver can have him compete with Sanchez, evaluate Glennon all year and then decide whether they want to extend him, with the option of franchising him if need be (doubtful)… Glennon is a talented young kid, no bad injuries, and he doesn’t have the clout to cry about having to compete like Bradford and Kap can, or at least think they can
On some level the Eagles should be glad that Bradford is a massive entitled crybaby. After the trade and before Bradford had gone into full sob-mode, the fans were kind of lukewarm about the trade or at least split, some liked it or saw the logic in it while others hated it.
Now it seems like everyone is united against a common enemy, or crybaby as it were, and are less focused on the trade itself
I’ll get pissed if he is still bitching next week. For now, I just think he is trying to take advantage of the last card he has to play and the timing of Draft week. They know how little market their was for him this offseason, which means they know it’s unlikely a team will offer the Eagles enough to make us want to trade him, so they are making noise this week, kicking and screaming trying to force Roseman into taking some lowball offer for SAM during the draft… good luck with that one Sam.
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Unless a team makes a compelling offer, I expect SAM to change his tune and show up to Novacare by next Tuesday….. Now if the draft passes, he is still and eagle and he continues to cry, im going to be pissed! For now, I can understand them trying To take advantage of the timing of draft week, because it’s really the last card they will have to play…. Teams are going to trade for QBs like Kap and Glennon during the draft, if SAM ISNT traded all his options will dry up by Sunday morning, and he will have no choice but to play the good soldier in philly… I can’t imagine he will still make noise and not come to practice after the draft.. Doubt he will go all T.O on us..
exactly, I think a lot of the adjectives thrown around about him by talking heads are a bit much at times. Its just his last move and like others said, maybe he knows the Broncos have interest and thinks thats a better place to play. Not really being a cry baby, malcontent, whiner etc etc. Then when its all done and nothing changes, he will step in and just play. Cant see him doing pushups in his driveway
P —
Bradford still has moves.
The fines mean nothing to this guy’s bank account.
He could go progressively nuclear — all the way to full Carson Palmer.
thereby limiting future interest in him
a few teams might take the risk but not at the salary he’s getting now.
I guess, just dont see it. I want him gone and wish Howie would just take an expensive 3rd or whatever and get on with it.
I think him sitting out and losing his salary and having to repay his bonus (he would, right?) are so low probability that you have to keep playing poker with him and Denver.
That would be condon driven, it doesn’t seem like sam’s that type of guy. Never heard him say anything off color.
not with those noodly arms
I’d rather not go thru this with our QB, but if it turns out that it’s only one week worth of drama in April, I’ll get over it to support the kid that gives me the best chance of seeing the best possible version of the Eagles next season. Im usually always about not being short sited and value looking at the Longterm view, but after this last year and a half, im fuckin tired, I don’t have it in me to go into a season knowing I have Chase Daniel all year, especially when we don’t get the silver linning of a high pick in next years draft to sit thru another bad season… I appreciate what Roseman is trying to do, toe the line between trying to win a division next year, without selling out our future to do it…. If he can pull this off, Bradford and Wentz provides the best mix of trying to win Now, while still making some big moves for our future..
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I dont blame Roseman, and I can understand someone not wanting To be a lame duck in whatever his occupation is. Even easier to understand when talking about a kid who has had to learn a different offense every yeàr and is just trying to look for some Stability…. He has EARNED his right to cry like this and try to force his way out, but I can also see why he wouldn’t be thrilled…. It’s one thing if they draft a QB in round 3, but SAM probably feels like now there is nothing he can do to make this his home and not have to go join another team and learn another offense… I don’t think its a case of him being so disgusted that he has to compete with a rookie, because that’s not even the case, the Eagles haVe no intention of playing the rookie this year, I feel like the real issue is he now feels like there is nothing he can possibly do to be our Longterm QB. Probably feels that even if he has a monster year, he has zero chance of earning the long term position, so if that’s how the kid feels, I can’t make it the end of the world if he takes one week in April to try and better his position…. He signed because he believed he would play well enough to earn his future with this franchise, and now probably feels like there is nothîng he can do to earn this job Longterm…..reality probably depends on how the Eagles see it. Would they be OK with keeping Wentz on the bench for 4 or 5 years(and then franchise him) if Bradford miraculously stays healthy the next 4 years and finally realizes his full potential? Or because of what we gave up for Wentz, do they feel like they will have to put him on the field year two, yeàr 3 as soon as he is ready?
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Best case scenario for me would be this turning out to be a Drew Bledsoe, Tom Brady situation where we end up contending with SAM the next couple years but at some point he gets knocked out of a game, Wentz comes in and we find out he is the truth and the team doesn’t skip a beat and it becomes a seamless transition from Sam to Carson…. But this is philly, and dream scenarios are hard to come by
You actually think(?) that one week after telling the Eagles — and every other NFL team in the most public way — that he has no intention of showing up for any further VTAs . . .
Bradford’s just gonna fold and return to Eagles’ VTAs?
After publicly selling himself the way he has?
Seriously?
Zero chance he’ll be back of NC until — at the earliest — MTA.
The Sam Bradford Story
Damn, Kiper moved Conklin up into his top 6 best prospects
do you ever wonder if he intentionally keeps some good prospects rated low until late in the process just so he has something new to say?
yeah wow one day before the draft and he just got some new tidbit of information to move him up?
of course he can always cite an unnamed source “i’m hearing from some league insiders that he’s just the bee’s knees in pass pro”
Conklin has been talked about as a top 12 prospect the past few weeks now. heck worthless Elliot Shorr Parks always had him as the Eagles Target at #8, and im pretty sure he didn’t come up with that evaluatipn of Conklin on his own and was most likely going off what some other draft expert was saying…
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For a few weeks Now, there has been a lot of talk about him leaping over Stanley, And how the Niners could prefer him,.. Also talk that Chargers looking for MAULERS in the run game so they may prefer trading back, and taking Conklin after letting two teams like the Jags and Ravens get Stanley and Tunsil… Of course there has also been talk about Stanley leap frogging Tunsil… So we gotta to see who really saw it correctly, but this Conlin rise ISNT completely last minute, he has been talked about as a target for the Giant at 10 for months.. This was however the first time I saw him rated higher than Wentz on a big board of overall prospects
I always feel like the media doesn’t get its best info Til the day before the draft.
That’s comical.
Kind of beating a dead horse here, but….wow, I didn’t realize how much of an entitled d-bag Sam Bradford is.
This guy has made $78 million through 6 seasons in the NFL. He’s thrown exactly 78 TD’s in his career. That’s $1 million per TD pass! In his 6 seasons, he’s generated a grand total of 25 wins! That’s over $3 million per win.
If you compare Bradford’s stats to other QB’s who have started as many games as him over the past 6 seasons, he ranks dead last or next to last in almost every major category. Yet, he continues to get a pass because of how great he was in Oklahoma. He gets a pass because every now and then he shows glimpses of potentially being a solid starting QB in the league. The reality though is that he’s a mediocre at best QB – and that’s really being generous.
Honestly, I was okay with Sam coming back and serving as a stop gap until the next QB comes along. But now? Nah, kick rocks Sam. Take your entitled, whiny ass somewhere else. Oh wait, no other team is willing to spend as much on you as we did. But, you’re trying to paint the Eagles as the bad guys. LOL.
sam’s not going to be the guy here, he doesn’t want to be a stopgap, if you can get good trade value move on, but i don’t see why everyone is up in their feelings about a QB that most fans don’t even like.
For Sam there’s lots of risk in waiting a year even if he plays well, who will have a vacancy? maybe jets and broncos? The perennial no QB teams are starting to pick up guys or are teams that aren’t competitive.
I get that, but Bradford has to realize that his track record doesn’t match the adoration he believes teams have for him. He has a very distorted view of himself and how he’s perceived around the league.
Right today, how many teams in the NFL do you honestly think would be excited to sign Bradford as their QB of the future? I’ll wait.
what adoration? Broncos have a playoff calibur team w/ mark sanchez and his agent has worked a lot with elway. Any agent would do the same for his client.
Agreed, people are taking this way too personally.
I think Sam is right to be angry. He signed a 2 year prove it deal with every intention of going in and winning the job long term. I’ll bet he even felt confident if he was competing with a 1st round pick. But now he’s going against organizational inertia. Even if he “beats out” the rookie, the team is going to find it really hard to not start their rookie who they gave up so much to go and get, within a couple of years. It’s a near impossibility that Sam is the longer term starter (or even medium term) because of the resources involved. So now his “prove it” deal becomes a stop gap deal, because it’s no longer enough to just beat a rookie; he has to somehow be worth 2 firsts, a second, and a third.
With that said, though, I don’t think the answer is to take it public. It’s bad PR and it helps no one. It reeks to me of an agent trying to squeeze even more money out of a situation.
Condon’s response to angry Sam should have been to say, “I get it, but here’s the deal: you go win that job and there’s no way they can cut you, and if they do, we’ll have an even bigger pay day.” Instead, Condon just steepled his fingers and did his best Mr. Burns impression.
How do we know Sam’s angry? Have you seen anything on twitter? Any press statements, statements from teammates?
I’m sure sam’s mad, but this is all in Condon’s hands.
So you’re saying I’m reading the reports wrong that say “Bradford is hot!”? Damned syntactical ambiguity gets me again…
Wouldn’t you think Condon would have to be given the green light by Bradford first? I would presume Condon is a very intelligent person and could have predicted how others would perceive Bradford’s actions. The actions seem to indicate a strong emotional reaction.
I get why Bradford would be mad, but his contract pretty much indicated that the Eagles don’t have full confidence that he can be their long term starter. He had to have seen the writing on the wall. You can’t routinely come up short and expect blind loyalty in the NFL.
He had an opportunity to be franchise guy, now he doesn’t. He wants to leave, that’s anyone’s right.
He talked to Condon, condon laid out the options. Either you can deal and be marketable next year or maybe i can work something out for you. Presents Broncos deal. Sam says ok. Tom, being a good agent lays out the strategy to force a trade – get fans to hate you make it clear there’s a destination, and see what happens. Sam looks at his bank account and says, you’re the man, do what you gotta do.
Tom Condon goes on the air saying the craziest stuff, fan/news media, etc. all have same reaction, trade bradford. Sounds like Condon is earning his $ to me.
So…at some point between Sam signing his contract here and the Eagles moving up to #2, he suddenly realized he would rather take a pay cut to have the opportunity to start for a winner? That’s cool and all, but no one put a gun to his head and told him to sign in Philly. And when he signed here, he knew very well that this was no guarantee for long-term security.
No matter how this gets played out, it makes Bradford look bad. The bottom line is, *if* Bradford was capable of playing to his potential, he has no reason to feel his job his threatened.
Yeah, the Eagles gave up a ton of draft picks to presumably draft their franchise QBs. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the next QB will just be handed over the starting job. He would have to earn that. Bradford has the ability to prevent that from happening. But judging by his actions, he’s not up for that challenge.
After Eagles traded up and Sam knew he wasn’t going to have a chance at being the guy he wanted to move. HE signed her with the understanding that if he won out he’d be the guy – him and eagles may have had a different understanding when they signed…
no, hes not right to be angry at all imo. Just go play and play well and let the chips fall. You just signed a nice contract that was limited anyway. Even if if he goes elsewhere theres a good chance its same situations, Denver ie could draft a QB and nothing changes per his “long term” status.
I do think the adjectives on him are a bit much and it may be the agent more than him. Or just a desire to be on a better team but it certainly isnt doing him any favors in the reputation dept.
I don’t know, “he’s not right to be angry at all” is pretty unreasonable. He’s not right to act the way he has but he’s certainly entitled to be a bit upset about all of the assets moved to get a rookie QB. It doesn’t say a lot good about the team’s feelings about him. Not that the team owes him anything in that regard, but it’s certainly understandable why a big trade for a rookie QB would affect him differently than just drafting one at 8.
They signed a mutually-beneficial contract (Bradford did not take a hometown discount) and now the Eagles are doing what they can to improve the team. He has no more right to be angry than any other player, RB, CB, OT, etc. in the Not-For-Long league. He has a better platform and more leverage because he’s a QB (ie, more power).
Again, this notion of “he has no right to be angry” is ludicrous. He has no right to act like an ass, but I’m not sure where these restrictions come from on what people are allowed to feel.
It was quite obvious that Sam had visions of long-term plans here in Philly, despite the 2 year contract. Evidenced by the offseason work with Ertz, Matthews, and others. The team made a big move to say that they had a different long-term plan. It’s pretty clear why that would be upsetting.
The emotion is different from the action afterwards. Telling people how they’re supposed to act is OK. Telling people how they’re supposed to feel is a fucking waste of time.
So your argument is based on a weird semantic distinction. The point isn’t how he feels, but what he’s threatening to do.
It’s really not that weird, or subtle.
“He has no right to be angry!!!” WRONG.
“He has no right to act this way!!!” CORRECT.
Not sure what’s so weird about that distinction.
I feel you… Can’t exactly control how you feel. But you can control how you react to your feelings.
wait wait, what’d you do with GEAGLE? Who is this guy?
Huh?
You have no right to be offended by what barbaric Philadelphia fans think!
I would agree with that if he had been here last 5 years or even came with a different reputation of being a solid starter. Guy is like bottom third of the league for QBs
I think that ties into how he should act, not necessarily feel. No one with his track record should ever be demanding a trade like this. I will wholeheartedly agree that his behavior since the draft it totally out of proportion with the reality of the situation.
yup I get that, theres a difference between the front put up with this hedging vs how much he really cares.
yeah he’s allowed to be angry. he’s wrong to not USE that anger in the gym and the film room and in huddles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJytxVf0opo
Not sure how read that much in to my statements and came to the conclusion that I’m taking this personally. I could care less about Bradford. All I’m saying is, he can go kick rocks if he honestly feels like he’s been mistreated or undervalued.
He’s getting compensated very generously given his spotty track record. Again, 25 wins in 6 seasons.
If Bradford suddenly turned in to the player he’s been getting paid to be, then yes, he would absolutely have a legit chance to start beyond next year. Apparently, Sam’s not up for that challenge though.
Calling someone an entitled d-bag is usually evidence of a pretty strong personal feeling.
You’ve probably spent to long in LA. That’s like saying “Hi” on the east coast.
Not really. I probably phrased my post wrong. The bottom line is that his actions do make him seem like an entitled d-bag. Obviously, I know absolutely nothing about Sam personally and wish no ill will on the guy. I’m talking Sam the football player.
Can you really call him a d-bag after staring into those dreamy eyes, though?
Most fans wanted to use him as a trade chip the entire time. But it was so unrealistic that Roseman would screw a power agent by signing SAM just to trade him whever we wanted. So all the fans that always wanted to use him as a trade chip should be thrilled because BRADFORDS Camp now made that at least a possibility which didn’t realistically exist before.
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if he isn’t traded this weekend, hopefully he shows up for work next week and put this behind us. His options are limited as is right now, I imagine his few options will dry up by the end of this draft, There are some other QBs available that teams are actually looking to unload
I don’t think the general reaction to SB’s buyer’s remorse is so much emotional as it is surprise and puzzlement at the total irrationality of his agent’s explanation. “He wants to be the man”, and he’s in a prime position to become just that if he bets on himself, goes out and proves he’s worth keeping. If his play exceeds fan expectations in 2016, and Eagles win their division and go to the playoffs, THEN his demands would make some sense. He may believe that there is a franchise where he will be more loved, but if he looks at his tape from last season, his self-belief may come back down to earth. Stop-gap is all he’s gonna get until he sells a GM on his dependability.
There is a difference between Having a chance to Earn becoming our long term starter and feeling like he is in a position where no matter how great he plays there is nothing he can do to earn the job here.
That just flies in the face of common sense. If he plays great, he’ll name his price…here or wherever he shops his carcass. Is he insecure? Is it too steep a challenge to meet? Maybe Condon talked to Elway after HR signed his boy, and the idea that he can flourish on a Super Bowl champion made the 22M look small in comparison. Eagles would be crazy to go for that. I don’t hate Bradford, and I’m not one of the folks arguing that he should not have been signed if the Eagles knew they were going to move up and get a QB. But this eleventh hour unhappiness on Sam’s part is hard to feel.
“If he plays great, he’ll name his price…here or wherever he shops his carcass” – He’ll never get a long term contract here. What teams need a QB next year? Who knows, could just be cleveland or SF.
If a long term contract is his end game, why did he take 22M for 2 years? He ought to respect his own decision.
prove it deal.
Why would he not be given a chance to start if he plays great next year?
I don’t get this logic. Sure, the Eagles f.o. wants to look good so it would be preferred that they get Wentz on the field during year 2. BUT, if Sam does become THAT guy he supposedly can be, why would he not have a chance to continue and start? WHy would any NFL team sit a much better QB simply bc they’d rather be right about their top draft pick?
b/c eagles gave up so much in the draft. I think it’d be different if eagles drafted wentz at 8 or 15, but to jump all the way to two – no organization makes that kind of move if they don’t think that kid is the future.
Sam would have to be aaron rodgers to stay here. But did they spend that 1st on a new tackle, or a WR or a RB, to help the offense, no, they spent a ton of picks on a QB.
9 News Denver’s Mike Klis reports the Broncos are unlikely to make a trade for Colin Kaepernick by Sunday. While Klis conceded a Kaepernick trade is “not impossible,” the two sides have had “zero” discussions and there’s no indication that will change leading up to the draft.
I think they reached a stand still in the negotiations, Denver made a final offer. Niners didn’t budge on the asking price and this game of chicken was always going to be decided on draft weekend. Think the niners clearly want to trade him, but they better be careful, because they could lose Denver as a trade partner to the Bucs, or Eagles… So if I had to guess, I would say denver will win this game of chicken and the niners will be forced to lower their asking price, even if Denver’s attempt to get Bradford is going no where, it still could help them make the niners get nervous and lower their asking price for Kap..
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No idea how the Jets feel about all this? Do they have interest in any of them? SAM? Kap? Glennon?… Are they happy to eventually work it out with Fitzy and then draft Lynch, Cook or Hack? Doubt Bryce Petty is ready to take over
Kaep not wanting to drop his salary to $7 mil.
Sam’s salary will be $7 mil after the trade…………..
yup, condon was playing chess when he made that K.
This trade is taking too long to consummate.
C’mon Howie, get it done.
Personally I’m hoping that we won’t hear about that trade before the start of the draft. Giving me one more reason to stay up and drink late tomorrow night.
What are you, 6 hour time difference?
I am a German alien living in the big apple. No time difference. But by the time the Eagles pick I am hoping for a beer count of 8+.
Please post the beer count as they happen.
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I hope i wish. . Probabyl unable unfort
Cmon man. It’s draft day. Then no more football until September.
i would have consummated like five times by now
You are showing your prowess, man! Maybe twice for me since I’m 74. Not bad for an old man.
I didn’t read all the way through this thread, but I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere. Do you think part of the Eagles reluctance to trade Bradford is because of the additional money they’d owe Daniel if they installed him as the starter for the year?
Doubtful. I think they aren’t excited about chase actually playing football. But are excited about school wentz in the pederson method.
you Chase Daniel doubters will be sorry. The bar is set as high as Sam Bradford, you can do it Chase lol
I also think they’d prefer Wentz not being one injury away from starting
think that’s right.
BLG with the thinkpiece http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/4/27/11510818/sam-bradford-trade-eagles-rumors-contract-tom-condon-fans-philadelphia-hate
Interesting move, but I don’t think fan upset would force Howie’s hand.
Sound theory. If the strategy backfires, and HR doesn’t take the bait, it will be interesting to see Sammy answer questions like a politician.
easy, past is the past i’m here to lead the team and win games. Next.
what do you think, trade happens or no?
It’ll happen but it really depends on much shit Lurie will take from Bradford.
yeah. fourth that can become a third plus a depth guy at OL or DL. would have been more if a certain former Ram could keep his trap shut till friday but no . . .
No
, the trade definitely might happen.
I dont think it will happen. Unless Denver really gives us great value I think Sam remains an Eagle
2013 NDSU QB Brock Jensen
Qbr: 167, 66% completion, 34TD, 7INT
2015 NDSU QB Wentz (hurt half the year – this is his best year though)
Qbr: 152.3, 62% completion, 17TD, 4INT
Ummmm…..
Something something Wentz will hopefully be a better pro.
this doesnt mean much, the projected skillset is what matters. Who am I kidding, we are drafting the next best CFL player
all aboard the Brock Jensen train!
Because if there is anything to imply NFL success on, it’s college stats.
And this apple tastes nothing like this orange.
really, i thought they’re two apples. Very similar stats, both lead teams to multiple national championships, one plays in CFL, other is the #2 pick.
A donut with no hole is a danish and flute with no holes isn’t a flute.
a flute with no holes is a stick
How did the nuts taste?
Bradford for mathis!
Not there anymo, he’s on Arizona.
oh yeah! forgot it already!!!!
I hate Arizona!
Made an attempt at a mock using Fan Speak’s composite rankings.
2: R1P2 QB CARSON WENTZ NORTH DAKOTA STATE
79: R3P16 C NICK MARTIN NOTRE DAME
153: R5P14 OLB JATAVIS BROWN AKRON
164: R5P25 RB KEITH MARSHALL GEORGIA
188: R6P13 OT ALEX LEWIS NEBRASKA
233: R7P12 DE ANTHONY ZETTEL PENN STATE
251: R7P30 DT QUINTON JEFFERSON MARYLAND
I don’t know if this is legit
https://twitter.com/FlySixersFly/status/725465521517395969
Nice!
Haven’t heard from Condon in a bit so that might also be a good sign.
Maybe because he died. That would be even better.
chill
I possess none.
For all the rotten tomatoes being thrown at Sam in the last 48 hours or so, it has been Condon doing most of the talking, and he was the sly fox in the chicken coop when Howie was just being hatched. Someone somewhere suggested a face-off between Howie and Elway. Nonsense. Both of them are being schooled by that crafty agent. Many agents are smarmy (Drew Rosenhaus), but not all. Don’t forget, the first contract Tom Condon ever negotiated was his own, wherein he beat Hank Stramm at his own game.
hmm wonder what Elway REALLY thinks of sam? Elway was pretty tough and gutsy. I’d be a little embarrassed if I were Bradford going in there. but he signed sanchez so …
Just a friendly reminder to my Eagles fellas:
Always keep your expectations low when it comes down to the trade compensation for the Eagles. Especially when it involves Bradford. #Floles
Hush. AJ Feely for a two forever!
Golden times.
I totally agree
Flails?
Walter football already grading our 2nd pick overall. Filed under signs of the apocalypse.
http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgrades.php
Smells ‘goofy’ to me.
Wrong to compare this to the Julio trade.
Oh, just gotta laugh so I don’t cry…
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this is pretty obviously a FUBAR situation, and one that indicates that the Eagles aren’t interested in winning right now, not really.
boooooo
unless we are luckier than we deserve, and who we got is better than what I think he is by a good margin, we’re screwed.
what is the record going to be with Chase daniels starting this season?
6-10
wrong.
8-8
no
The Schwartz is strong.
Best coaching hire in a long time.
Chase Daniels was a nepotism hire. So think Charlie Whitehurst level of effectiveness.
his nepot has nothing to do with it.
https://twitter.com/MattLombardo975/status/725469855567114241
I mean depending on how you look at it, anything after round 2 can be considered a mid rounder
hope he is wrong though
That’s awful compensation. What leverage does Bradford have?
Obviously we don’t want to let him walk away and get nothing in return, but you can’t look your players in the eye and tell them with a straight face that you’re competing for a title when you’re starting QB is a career clipboard holder.
You can’t look your players in the eye and tell them with a straight face that you’re competing for a title when you’re starting QB is Sam Bradford either.
I think sammy b, with an offseason and good weapons will be good. In the second half of the season i can’t look at those games and say “sam bradford blew it for us with his passing”.
In an ideal world, but I wouldn’t overrate a nice seven game stretch. It hasn’t been the norm for his career.
I think the deal he got was on the money. But also understand that Howie has limited time, Pederson wants his guy, etc.
This is awful… No way – tell them to pound sand
Here’s the thing you have to take into account: If the Eagles hadn’t resigned Bradford, then the most they could have received was a 2017 3rd round comp pick and that would have required them to sign less qualifying UFAs than they lost. We would have had to be significantly less active in free agency. That was likely not going to happen so we wouldn’t have received any compensation.
So, really, by signing him you’re buying whatever picks you receive in a trade with cap room.
There are multiple shenanigans going on behind closed doors which the fan base never knows about until after a move is made public. And most of the Front Office types are actually smarter than the fan base too! ;~). At least in professional sports matters.
‘What if’ we knew Jalen Ramsey was the next Darrelle Revis or Tunsil was the next Anthony Munoz? Would you pull the trigger?
I guess it doesn’t matter anyway since we will be down a starting QB in a few days AND we don’t have a 1st rd pick next year.
Revis is the epitome of clever mercenary, or his agent is. The Philly sports fans seem to want some level of “loyalty”, so maybe a poor fit.
True….You can substitute Revis for Champ Bailey or Rod Woodson. I was just laying out a pointless hypothetical. Usually when a team gives up a ton of picks it’s for a QB, but *what if* it was for a non-qb position the Eagles were sold on?
What if teams knew that Carson Wentz was going to be the next “Insert future hall of fame QB here.” I mean that’s the thing about the draft isn’t it? Some teams “think” they know a la RG3. I mean I think if any one player was a sure fire future HOF with multiple pro bowls and very few injuries every team would be scrambling for that guy at any position.
At least we will get the name Chase Daniel right when he’s the starter?
Let’s hope the opposing defense doesn’t take the name to heart
After his latest mauling, Greg Hardy goes…”Damn, Daniel, that was a long chase!”
Watching all of the Wentz tape, i’d be more interested in the OL than the QBs, never seen such a clean pocket on almost every throw.
Well Joe Haeg (the LT) is going to get drafted in the 3rd or 4th round, and could well be in play with our 3rd round pick.
Think you need to watch more tape though since his OL while very good in the run game really struggled with blitz’s and stunts. Go watch the Jacksonville state game (his last) and that is a pretty consistently muddy pocket.
must have the “it” factor, otherwise i don’t quit get it – I could take him in an earlier round but moving pieces to go up in the first?
There’s been lots of criticism about mechanics but my biggest thing is that he doesn’t, or it doesn’t look like, he moves through progressions.
His mid/deep ball leaves a little to be desired. But we’ll see he’s an eagle i guess i have to like him. Matty B was a 4 year starter at a big school and he turned out terrible so i guess you really never know.
Having watched all the different XO’s shows during the draft in the last week i think there are 2 different aspects to consider with that. He is not asked to make full field reads in that scheme – he is only throwing to half the field on any single down (very common at the college level). So many of ‘open’ WRs he is not even looking towards on the play. 2ndly on many plays just by how the defense has lined up pre snap has taken away one or more of his reads as an offensive design a lot of the decision making is made pre snap.
So on a lot of plays in that scheme he has 2 realistic options, throw to his primary read or check down to his 3rd option. Because of that he often waits on his primary read to see if it comes open if he has time before taking the check down option. There are times when he progresses through 2-3 reads quickly and move a safety with his eyes and then deliver the pass.
Was listening to Mayock talk about this with QB evaluations and his view is nearly 75% of the plays any college QB runs you can throw in the bin from any analytical perspective outside of of the QB’s throwing mechanics because the scheme is not asking them to make NFL reads and decisions. I am not sure you can hold that hugely against any QB prospect and you have to focus on the plays where due to playcall and defense the QB is asked to do more NFL like skills. I think Wentz shows some of that at times, but lets be honest it is a small sample of a small sample, so it is hard to draw any quality opinions.
Thanks for this comment, i guess that’s why they want to sit him. But then i don’t understand trading assets unless he’s great, when those assets could be used on OL, WR, RB.
Eagles do HAVE to find a QB
Well I am strongly part of the find a QB at any cost faction so i guess i cannot complain about the cost of the move (think it is somewhat offset with the cost between Rookie Wentz and a Bradford type contract over the same time allowing you to sign 2 FA’s to take the place of draft picks).
An interesting point was raised by Joe Banner on the business of sport podcast- there are very few examples of teams finding their QB once they had put together a roster and been successful. Broncos had a decent core but adding Payton allowed them to sign a huge chunk of free agents to fill out the roster. The closest example i can think of is the Seahawks… but they really emerged as a force with Wilson in that Rookie year, no one considered them an elite team or roster before that.
So lets try to find a QB – and ideally one with the ability to not just be good but to be great, and hope the coaching staff, scheme and team allows him to achieve his raw potential.
Yeah not many FAs that are good QBs, look at the hell drew breez puts NO through. I thought after watching last few games sammy b was the man. But can also see how, after all these years of looking you gotta take a shot on a guy if you think hes decent.
It’s just not true. The OL was pushed back on plays and the offense was mostly one/two reads so there isn’t a lot of time before he gets rid of it. What better scrambler/runner with his arm is out there he ran for 200+ times in 1 1/2 years.
Maybe they like the get the ball out quickly. He is very athletic
49ers “retired” RT Anthony Davis tweeted, “I do not want to work with a
front office or anyone else who seemingly doesn’t want to win as bad as I
do.” – wow
That’s a growth mindset
really interested to see how things go for Chip in SF, the ultimate do as i say, not as i do coach – his kids would hate him.
I don’t understand how a player could have a problem with Balke, he is after all a “football guy”.
Does anyone remember preseason last year? what a time to be alive.
Here are my thoughts (long and detailed unfortunately) on how the Eagles are evaluating Sam Bradford at this point in the process and how this affects his value. Starting with where we stand contractually:
The $11mil is a sunk cost at this point, it is spent and gone and unless there is some way in the CBA to void a contract with mutual consent we have to consider it gone. Because of this we can consider Sam being paid $7mil to play for the Eagles in 2016 and this is fully guaranteed. There is another $4mil in 2017 that is guaranteed but it has offset language so if he signs else where so realistically that is guarantee against catastrophic injury. To a large extent i think we can consider the contract as a $7mil guaranteed and a full option at $17mil in 2017. Because the Eagles have $9mil in cap space and very little to do (A Cox deal would likely have very little 2016 cap impact) In year cap really is not a concern. Long term cap is and that is $7mil cost to keep him vs trade scenario.
So Bradford is pretty ‘cheap’ in 2016 currently for the Eagles and with little long term commitment at this point. If Chase Daniels starts he has significant play time incentives that means that there is probably only 2-3 million in savings by Trading Bradford and playing Chase. In fact it may well be very financially beneficial to get Wentz on the field quickly in a Bradford trade scenario. So all in all there is a pretty marginal salary cap impact of keeping or trading Bradford ($3mil or so to keep him over trade).
So what are the on field cost benefits for the Eagles. Bradford has more talent and is far more proven than Chase, while Bradford is a below average starter there is still value with that. Eagles are in the NFCleast and have a realistic chance at the playoffs with decent defensive improvement. That would be a very beneficial outcome for both Doug and Howie who are trying to prove they belong as leaders to the team and build confidence in their program. With no no.1 pick the benefit of ‘tanking’ is reduced and means being good has a marginal cost. Being good will help bring in free agents are lower prices and being able to attract primary targets which will be important with us lacking draft picks.
Then you have the Sam Goodford scenarios. There is still a non 0% chance that Bradford can become a franchise QB. He has the tools he just needs to the light to come on and him to truly take over an offense and become comfortable in it. This is becoming increasingly unlikely each passing year but with a good 2016 we might keep Bradford into 2017 and if that continues you might decide to keep him as the franchise QB in that scenario. If he is not quite great then improved play will significantly increase his trade value in 2017.
Then you have Wentz. If you trade Sam Badford and with Daniels contract situation (and fan pressure) you are going to probably push him to play at least 6 games in 2016. Now depending on his progress this could be a positive thing but in that scenario you could bench Sam and start playing Wentz anyway. In a situation where you feel uncomfortable with him starting because he is still working on technique and adjusting then you could damage his development. Regardless you are probably going to have to go through the 2016 season planning for Wentz to be ready to take over at any moment and that will take away the opportunity to sit him for an entire year and to just focus on fundamentals rather than game to game preparation.
Team chemistry? I think this angle is overblown, If draft happens and via trades/signings/draft picks Denver, 49ers and Jets resolve their QB situation then Bradford is going to have to accept this is the only place he can start in 2016. At that point he is going to have to kiss and make up with the team. I think the players will forgive him if he shows up and works (which is in his long term benefit). He will have lost the fans and media but that will affect Bradford a lot more than the rest of the team.
So in summary. Trading Bradford only saves a marginal amount of cap ($3mil or so) over the next 2 years. It will probably decrease the chance of you winning a weak division in 2016, and the benefits that would give the team. It will put more pressure on Wentz early which may not be beneficial. It takes away a range of chances for Bradford to add value either as a QB of the future or to increase trade value. All in all i think there needs to be significant value to persuade the Eagles to trade Bradford and i would rebuff any offer that was not significant since you are giving up a lot of possible positive outcomes for some very minor cap savings.
Good stuff. How do you define significant but realistic value?
Also they paid Chase well I think they want him to help Wentz. He knows the system etc. He can’t do that if he is preparing to start each week
What people aren’t accounting for here is that the $11M signing bonus was broken up into two installments, one that was due Mar 18th and one that was due in September(forget the exact date). While there has never been an exact case similar to this and therefore not a precedent, PFT has reported and Bryce Johnston(Eagles salary cap guy if you’re familiar with him) agrees that per the CBA(you can check out @NFLCapAnalytics if you want the exact CBA language) if Bradford was traded prior to that Mar 18th date then the Eagles’ 2016 salary cap would be charged the $11M but they would get a credit of the same amount on the 2017 cap. Extrapolating from that, since the Eagles have already paid the 1st installment, if Bradford was traded before the 2nd installment was due then his new team would be responsible for paying the 2nd installment. Thus, the Eagles cap would be charged an $11M dead $ hit for 2016 but they’d get back a 2017 cap credit of $5.5M.
While there isn’t a precedent here and it’s impossible to confirm that that is what would actually happen, the fact that PFT reported it indicates to me that someone involved in the negotiation of the contract is of the opinion that is what the CBA dictates and has passed that info along to Florio.
I read that the cut off date for this to happen is 1 June.
https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/725499599587172353
Roby + Lattimer please Elway.
https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/725462133601783809
https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/725502192627544064