The New Guys

Posted: May 9th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 41 Comments »

This certainly seems like good news.

Rather than do a bunch of writing on these guys right now, I want to share a good story I came across.

Here is an in-depth look at how Joe Douglas and Andy Weidl helped the Ravens scout Joe Flacco.

It isn’t a short piece and offers plenty of interesting details. I think you’ll come away impressed by Douglas and Weidl. I’ve got plenty more research to do, but it sure feels like Howie Roseman made a pair of outstanding hires.


41 Comments on “The New Guys”

  1. 1 The New Guys - said at 11:22 PM on May 9th, 2016:

    […] Tommy Lawlor This certainly seems like good news. The Eagles hit a HR by hiring Joe Douglas. They followed that […]

  2. 2 Jack Waggoner said at 12:03 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    Sounds good to me. I’m guessing they really like Wentz and that figured into their decision to work for a team with depleted draft capital over the next couple of years.

  3. 3 Cafone said at 1:06 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    Good hires, but of course the Eagles get the guys that scouted Joe Flacco after they draft a div I-AA QB.

  4. 4 Ben said at 1:34 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    Awesome !!!
    Since the next two drafts are depleted we have just increased our chances of hitting on a player in the later rounds.

  5. 5 A_T_G said at 1:49 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    Just in case there lingering doubt that owning a name which doubles as a genetailia reference was very important in our selection process…

    “is known to all in the Ravens organization as ‘Big Joe D,’”

  6. 6 SteveH said at 4:18 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    Just adding to our stable of genitalia names. We even have a big V now, we don’t discriminate!

  7. 7 Kelce's Beard, O.G. said at 9:36 PM on May 10th, 2016:

    *he’s HPV

  8. 8 bentheimmigrant said at 3:16 AM on May 12th, 2016:


  9. 9 一元营销 said at 2:39 AM on May 10th, 2016:


  10. 10 Fufina said at 3:11 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    Really interesting piece about the scouting process. The thing that ‘excites’ me about the hire is that Joe Douglas is said to be an excellent communicator and leader which are new skills that become increasingly important as you move up the leadership ladder and are important to building a good scouting unit.

    A lot has been made about how Howie cannot play nice nor bring stability to the Eagles but i think that is always hugely dependent on winning. If you look at the teams with stable front offices they have had long term success on the field and i think both things feed into one another. Success gives stability and confidence in the front office which then leads to greater success and you have a positive feedback loop.

    Hopefully Wentz will be step one on that process because nothing helps build stability like a franchise QB.

  11. 11 Insomniac said at 6:07 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    Have to give the scouts some love. Long hours, always traveling, and the pay sucks for the amount of work they put in.

  12. 12 mheil said at 7:31 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    Are you sure these signings a done deal? The Eagles haven’t announced the signings or scheduled a press conference.

  13. 13 Ben said at 11:28 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    Yes, Jeremiah from ESPN has it listed as official.
    This move improves our team from a future drafts standpoint and should help us find better players in the later rounds where it is difficult to find starters.
    Let’s hope we draft another player like Hicks in the third or like Celek was drafted as a fifth rounder.

  14. 14 Anders said at 11:30 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    he is from NFLN not ESPN

  15. 15 mheil said at 6:39 PM on May 10th, 2016:

    I won’t accept that it is a done deal until the Eagles announce the signings. Jeremiah said it would happen on Monday and it didn’t.

  16. 16 eagleyankfan said at 7:38 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    Let’s wait and see how things pan out. Every year it’s the same thing after hire. It’s always best hire in the history of football. Lots to play out before any celebration happens…..

  17. 17 Gary Barnes said at 7:47 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    Agreed. Still strange to hire your personnel guys AFTER you’ve already made all the decisions and paid a huge price to draft a young unknown QB, but hopefully they help Roseman & Co. make better choices. Scouting and analytics are two things teams can leverage if they know what they’re doing plus it helps us not have to rely so heavily on FA. We’ll see what happens.

  18. 18 GermanEagle said at 8:15 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    The hiring of scouts almost always happen AFTER the draft since most of the teams won’t let them go BEFORE.

  19. 19 Fufina said at 10:23 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    Yeah only hires and fires that happen in front offices are for GM positions when everyone gets fired at the end of the season, and generally even then the new GM keeps the entire scouting setup on the books until post draft when they can actually start hiring and firing people.

    I imagine this guy was at the top of their list of candidates – they approached the Bears and they did not give permission to interview him at that point and we had to wait until the end of the scouting year to make the hire.

  20. 20 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:44 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    We,could hire the best scouts in the world, but unless,Roseman is serious about changing his ways and working well with his underlings, it won’t matter who we hire. Fortunately from the outside looking in, it does seem like Roseman has taken the criticism to heart, and is doing things different this time around… But the true test will be if he goes back to his combative ways in a year or two. It’s healthy to have differing oppinions in the front office, as long as its under the umbrela of a healthy work environment.
    By now HOWIE should realize that he has the full support of our Owner and that he doesn’t have to worry about underlings trying to Usurp his power. He should be comfortable enough in his skin to have a good working relationship with his staff instead of not trusting anyone. Hopefully he is hiring people whom he respects, trusts and has a decent working chemistry with,
    HOWIE won the war, so by now he should no longer Be uncomfortable about the “not a football guy” label, And doesn’t have to view his staff as a “threat” to his power

  21. 21 Anders said at 11:06 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    Howie is so bad at working with people that the owner kept him around and re-hired him.
    Howie is so bad at working with people that 3 people fired by Kelly, was more than willing to come back and work with him on an intern basis.

    The Howie cant work with other people is a tired thing put into affect by people fired by Howie. Disgruntled and fired people will of course think he is hard to work with, add a little “not a football guy” non sense and you got a good sports rumor.

  22. 22 Ben said at 11:44 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    I never could understand all the Howie hate.
    For the most part he has been a solid GM type and the fact that he is literally a “contract guru” only helps to solidify his future with this team.
    He is clearly the king of the cap.
    With the way he handled the recent slew of re-signing players this off season, you have to appreciate having someone like him on your team.
    I can only imagine how many teams would rush to hire him if he were ever made available.

  23. 23 Anders said at 1:01 PM on May 10th, 2016:

    Most of the hate comes from Louis Reddick who battled for the GM job and lost and who was later fired.

  24. 24 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:28 PM on May 10th, 2016:

    That’s simply not true… In house drama dates back to the Banner days
    WTF does Louis Riddick have to do with the HOwie vs Chip/Gamble War?
    Our front office has been filled with drama for the past 20 years, Riddick played a very small part in it, as one of the many, dysfunctional front office Dramas that became public

  25. 25 Anders said at 5:50 PM on May 10th, 2016:

    What does banner have to do with Howie? Reddick is the one with the biggest Axe to grind with Howie and there was never this level of criticism from media about banner or heckert

  26. 26 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:27 PM on May 10th, 2016:

    I always maintained he was a better GM than given credit for. Like everyone he has stremgths and weakness, and he is really really strong in some important areas….hopefully the more experiemce he gains, the more he will improve his weakness.
    But let’s not pretend it was all roses and sunshine.,. I don’t know many other front office execs in Philly that have been involved in as many “in house” power struggles as HOWIE. Fortunately this is something he has publically acknowledged and Something he claims to have worked on and is trying to do better at, this time around

    But generally, he is under rated and often doesn’t get as much credit as he deserves.. I damn sure disagree with him Being considered one of the 10 worst NFL GMs like some Media/polls suggest
    If he learns from mistakes, elliminates the power struggles, maintains a healthy working environment. Improves on some of his weaknesses, we should be in good hands under HOWIE moving forward. I am encouraged by how he seemed to own his faults, and work to improve during the time he was banished by Emperor Chip..So far you can tell he is making an effort to change some of his negative imagine, and while im sure to some Extent, Lurie demanded it knowing he would take heat for reinstating Roseman a year after he allowed Chip to Marginalize Howie, he actually comes off as genuine that he is making an effort to improve and do better this time around.
    Roseman is the best in the business when it comes to the financial side of the business. if Roseman and the staff he sorrounds himself with can start to nail the player Evaluatuon aspect of the job, we will be in great hands… Hopefully he A) sorrounds himself with a talemted staff( earning high praise for recent hirings and B) builds a staff with great chemistry, create a healthy working environment even tho he isn’t sorrounding himself with a bunch of “Yes Men”
    Too much in house Drama has spilled into the public since the days of Joe Banner, all the way up to chip/Gamble vs HOWIE in recent times, and the allegedly terrible relationship between Chip and the disrespect he had for our scouts. hopefully Roseman finally puts an end to this and creates a healthy working environment where GM, scouts and coaches work well together and respect each other

  27. 27 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:04 PM on May 10th, 2016:

    Actually he admitted it hikself as something that he had to work on and wants to do better at this time around.. But ok…

  28. 28 Dominik said at 9:10 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    Douglas was made famous during the Ravens’ summer of 2001 filming of
    “Hard Knocks” on HBO as “The Turk,” the lowly scout who has the duty of
    summoning players from the locker room to the office of the head coach
    where “Coach wants to see you, bring your playbook” means you’ll be
    leaving the campus and chasing your NFL dream elsewhere.

    No way. I just watched that season a few months ago. And now the guy becomes the head of the scouting department for my beloved Eagles.

  29. 29 scratcherk said at 9:22 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    funny to watch jerry bracing for the impact

  30. 30 Bert's Bells said at 9:50 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    Ha! He was such a bad performer on that show. So bad it was funny.

  31. 31 anon said at 10:07 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    not sure if anyone is watching basketball, but steph curry is inhuman.

  32. 32 Tdoteaglefan said at 10:56 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    yes he definitely is..hence why his nickname in some circles is “cheat code”.
    I’m never able to stay up and watch GS games, but I was able to see the highlights this morning. He hasn’t played in over 2 weeks due to the knee sprain but came in and ended up scoring 17 of their 21 pts in overtime…good grief

  33. 33 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:58 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    Time to get the Cox contract done, and it’s full steam ahead…. Cox is the last piece we need to take care of to get our house in order… Hopefully this doesn’t drag on a few more weeks
    Are we going to carry the #4 QB bethal Thompson or whatever his name is on the practice squad? Or is part of the plan to Develope Wentz running the scout team offense, while also getting extra Reps before and after practice?
    Apparentky Doug and Reicht put a plan in place for how we will Develope Wentz even tho he is our #3… I’d like to hear more about this “plan”
    With Chase knowing the offense already, I guess wemtz can cut into some of our #2 QB’s reps?

  34. 34 Anders said at 11:01 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    I actually do not know if all teams that carry 3 QBs also have one on the PS

  35. 35 Fufina said at 12:31 PM on May 10th, 2016:

    Think Cox contract will take a fair while longer to get sorted out… think it could still not be resolved this time in 2017. Problem is the Eagles have him under team control for at least 2 (but really 3) years at $$ that is less than what Cox would get on the open market. We have no other upcoming free agent we would more likely like to spend the tag on so the Eagles can keep him ‘cheap’ and on a year to year contract.

    Eagles are probably going to Cox we will give you $18mil a year starting in 2017 if you are willing to pretty much play year to year starting in 2018, or if you want significant genuine guarantees going into 2019 or 2020 then the annual year to year figure will need to come down to something more like $16mil a year. Because there is so much team control still remaining there is very little need for the Eagles to compromise at this point. For Cox he has decent $$ already in his pocket so he can to an extent back himself to get a better deal in 1-2 years time.

    This happens with a issue happens with a lot of elite 1st round pick players… Von Miller and Dez Bryant for example. If you do not get a deal done after 3 years of a rookie contract it can be really hard to get one done before a player gets to the Tag.

  36. 36 Bert's Bells said at 11:08 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    The GAme of CHICKEN has been one!

  37. 37 Lord of the Rings said at 12:44 PM on May 10th, 2016:

    one what?

  38. 38 OakBrigade said at 2:43 PM on May 10th, 2016:

    Maybe the next GM, while Roseman is looking for another role in the hierarchy, maybe the club’s President, Smolenski role?
    Don’t know, but I see it unlikely.

    I think he is just doing the best job he can to improve a unbalanced front office.

  39. 39 Fufina said at 2:57 PM on May 10th, 2016:

    My feeling on Roseman is this. If you can stack the board for him right he is going to go out and execute in the draft and free agency. He understands the cap, value and how the league as a whole thinks pretty well so navigates those area’s effectively. He is happy to get creative in trades and generally he delivers a roster without glaring holes.

    The question has always been his ability to lead the process of creating the board (individual scouting skills in GM’s are hugely overrated). If Joe can come in and help build an elite scouting staff with good chemistry with the coaches and get everyone pulling together then things could go really well if we get some stability with the QB position.

  40. 40 Fufina said at 3:47 PM on May 10th, 2016:

    This is a bit of random but i think it is really interesting that in a couple of different bits of PR the Eagles seem to be pushing Tavaress and i this case giving him top billing over Wentz the ‘QB of the future’. Not sure i have ever seen this with a UDFA who has not even had a practice snap yet.

  41. 41 Kelce's Beard, O.G. said at 9:35 PM on May 10th, 2016:

    ……so is it at all concerning to anyone that there has still yet to be an official announcement made of the hire?
    first it was last week, then the news was supposed to come on monday…now it’s almost wednesday. no updates on pe[dot]com either