Day 3
Posted: July 27th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 108 Comments »The big story of the day actually didn’t involve practice. Unfortunately, it was something everyone feared.
Eagles RB Ryan Mathews is hurt already https://t.co/RGXVCOR17i
— Jimmy Kempski (@JimmyKempski) July 27, 2016
Yikes.
Apparently Mathews turned his ankle last week. This isn’t the news you wanted to hear, but it also isn’t as bad as it sounds.
Mathews was walking slowly, but no noticeable limp heading into NovaCare earlier. pic.twitter.com/1g8UJLJCUt
— Tim McManus (@Tim_McManus) July 27, 2016
I'm told Ryan Mathews rolled his ankle running last week. Given his history, I think team will be cautious, but shouldn't be out long.
— Les Bowen (@LesBowen) July 27, 2016
This injury isn’t that big of a deal, but it is a reminder that the Eagles aren’t deep at RB and they need one of the young guys to step up. That could be Kenjon Barner or Wendell Smallwood. I guess Byron Marshall and Cedric O’Neal shouldn’t be counted out, although they fall more into the longshot category.
Some might see this as reason to panic and want the Eagles to go add a veteran. We aren’t at that point. If there was a terrific RB on the market, you’d go get him. That’s just not the case. The Eagles would be smart to let the young guys show what they can do for a couple of weeks. If Mathews isn’t healthy and/or the young guys aren’t impressing at that point, you can go get a veteran RB.
There is another consideration. Some young RBs will step up somewhere. That could make a veteran or two on other teams suddenly available for a cheap price. If the Eagles wait, there could be better options on the market.
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On to practice.
This note from Jimmy Bama is fantastic.
On the third and final day of the “rookie portion” of training camp, the few veterans in attendance got the day off. That would mean players like Sam Bradford, Chase Daniel, and Nolan Carroll, for example. And so, with the vets on the shelf, Carson Wentz got almost all the reps at quarterback today.
There were so few players practicing this morning, in fact, that fourth quarterback McLeod Bethel-Thompson played quarterback, running back and tight end. On one series, he made a catch down the seam, and then had to run back to the huddle, call a play, and run the next set of reps as the quarterback.
I wonder if Chip Kelly would read this and think “Now that’s a way to really get players more reps.”
• One standout from the first three days of camp has been CB Aaron Grymes. He has consistently made plays on the football every day. We wrote a little more in depth about Grymes yesterday.
• Isaac Seumalo has gotten work both at LG and C. Yesterday in team drills, an errant shotgun snap from Seumalo got past Wentz. Today he had another one during the individual periods.
Grymes has played S and CB. He has CFL experience, which I’m sure makes the rookie days of Training Camp easier to deal with. It will be interesting to see if Grymes can continue to play well.
Seumalo has gotten reps at C and G. I think the Eagles are just moving guys around. I don’t think this is a hint that the team wants him in the middle this year. They want Seumalo to challenge for the LG spot. Down the road, Seumalo could move inside.
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The Eagles signed WR David Watford. The 6-2, 210 Watford played QB in college, but has the size and athleticism to be a WR prospect. Here are his Pro Day numbers.
Bench Press: 21 repetitions
Vertical Jump: 38 inches
40: 4.56/4.57
20: 2.62/2.65
10: 1.59/1.63
Short Shuttle: 4.35
Here is everything you could possibly want to know about Watford.
The young WRs have not played well this week. This isn’t an overly talented group, but it would be nice if at least one was standing out as a player to watch. Veterans reported on Wednesday. Let’s hope those receivers play better.
Doug Pederson did admit the Eagles had some interest in Anquan Boldin. The Eagles weren’t after him enough to make an aggressive move. The interest was a bit more passive. Still, that tells you the team has some questions about the WR corps. It will be interesting to see if the news about Boldin gets the attention of Josh Huff and Nelson Agholor. Neither guy stood out in spring to the media who attended practices. They need to shine in practice in the coming weeks to make the team feel more comfortable about that position. If not, the Eagles will be more aggressive about going after other veterans still on the market.
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“This injury isn’t that big of a deal, but it is a reminder that the Eagles aren’t deep at RB and they need one of the young guys to step up.”
Good thing they’ve got no worries at QB or WR, eh?
I’d be more worried about LB.
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I think depth is one of the primary tasks for Roseman over the next several drafts and off-seasons. It is also on Pederson and the coaches to develop that talent consistently. The depth all through this roster currently is pretty poor outside of 2-3 positions. Injuries are a common reality in the NFL and the better talent we acquire and the better we develop them is going to make the difference between the Eagles being a good team and a great team. Many will say, no team has good depth, but I just do not buy it. We see many of the same teams excel year after year and it is not by accident.
I like a lot of our starters, but the depth will take time. This is year one, and we’ll see where we’re at by Week 4-ish. I like the starting talent, but I worry about injuries.
One thing that a number of longterm successful teams have is consistency at the coaching level. They have a team philosophy and plan. Then they stick to it for more than 5 minutes.
*falls to knees*
oh why did they let Chip go??? WHY????
As much as I was hating how the team was playing for Kelly down the stretch, I would have been ok with giving him the 4th year before making a move. Clearly I wasn’t privy to the full set of Kelly’s issues.
I hope Peterson gets a full 4 years on his 5 year deal to prove himself worth of being fired or being extended.
100% with you. I’m also totally behind where the franchise is going now. Just felt it was a bit silly to totally turn the keys of the franchise over to a guy, just to pull the plug before he could tweak the carb and get the thing started.
I would argue that longterm successful teams have franchise QBs first and foremost. The following recent successful teams/coaches illustrate this point.
Tomlin (full career with Big Ben)
McCarthy (full career with Favre/Rodgers)
Belichick (41-55 without Brady)
Garrett (full career with Romo)
Payton (3-13 without Brees)
Carroll (14-18 without Wilson)
I hope we can add Pederson/Wentz to the list in the future.
You’re responding to the Account Formerly Known as Mags, who comes on here solely to whine about how Chip Kelly was let go. She doesn’t care a lick about who the QB is.
Besides, her lecturing a franchise who kept Andy Reid around as long as they did is silly. We’re not the Browns.
Wait. Garrett is successful?
He’s got one of the biggest obstacles to overcome for NFL coaches…Jerry Jones and his disfunctional roster building of unsavory individuals.
I do see your point though.
*knock on wood* we have been “fairly” healthy the last 3 seasons, hard to develop that talent if it can’t get reps on the field, now i say “fairly” because obviously we have seen how bad our depth was on our OL for example. I feel that we have gotten much younger at DB for example and time will tell if Shepard/Rowe/Mills can be a special core group, ultimately i think positional group coaching and chemistry are key factors for the next man to step up.
You know. Its 3 days in, but this is really starting to feel like dejavu to me.
This spring I felt like the Orioles had a pretty good squad that could be in contention for a down ALEast. I wasn’t being arrogant or predicting a WS.
Then the writers started writing and the Spring league started and things weren’t going so well. I started to get nervous.
Fast forward: they have the best record in the AL, are in 1st place in an ALEast that is arguably the best division in baseball once again.
They might end in last, but it seems I had a pretty good feel for the season before it started. I’m gonna stick to my guns and keep a good perspective on this season (9-6 top 5 defense LETS GO).
Can’t wait to see who the Eagle’s Joey Rickards, Hyun Soo Kims, and Dylan Bundys are.
the Broncos have amazing depth on the D side of the ball
2 comments without ne. You chip kelly fans are a true disappointment
Before I block you, I just want to let you know how easy it is to block you now. It’s awesome. Bye forever.
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Indeed.
What is great about the block feature is that I don’t see his post.. but I do see your reply.
I don’t think I had a cineveesarion with you in my life. Guess I’m that popular
Without my intellect this board is a total bore
how was that KC Chiefs Super Bowl parade last year?
bwahahahahahaha
I own you!
T-Law throws the word “talent” as much as a guy from the Brooklyn uses the F word. To read “This isn’t an overly talented group” makes you feel like the wr’s showed up in a clown car. Then to read Huff and Aggie haven’t impressed. Ugh. Well, Huff has never impressed, so that’s expected — but I thought Aggie was supposed to be really putting forth an effort this year because of injuries for his second half last year? It’s way too early to tell anything about anybody — but signs early in camp do show up…here’s to an un-hurt rb season and a WR who steps up….
The only stuff that really concerns me with WRs in drills, practice, etc. is hands. Are these guys going to take their job seriously and not drop passes or are we going to see more lazy / gutless / unfocused dropping of passes and fumbles.
As far as getting open, routes, etc.; the pre-season games are much better for that.
Agholor needs to treat the ball like a champagne room stripper and get his hands all over it.
You can mix and match at RB and be successful. We all saw Darnell Autry and Brian Mitchell have huge days running the football the year Duce’s foot fell off.
When Mathews is laying down on the job in the regular season Sproles, Smallwood, and Marshall should be fine to use. If we have to keep Monghai on speed dial, great. Polk knows what’s up here and has played for Duce if we need a street free agent.
The O-line is really my only concern. Get that playing better (KELCE) and healthier (Peters) than last year and a lot of other stuff falls into place.
You didn’t mention Barner being on speed dial?
Hard to get back in time if we’ve sent you off in a space shuttle to another planet.
good to see i’m not the only one that would rather have monongai over barner…
With his “Barner fingers” dropping passes and fumbling……we don’t need him.
should be a good reaction from you if he makes the team and gets reps lol
Writers are already kicking dirt on his grave. If Mathews stays NFI to start the year I think we’ll get Sproles / Smallwood / Marshall.
Im rooting for Marshall to make it for sure. I didnt know that, early on I just read Spadaro like raves on him being rocked up and ready to compete.
The “rocked up” is certainly true; maybe he can get into body building as a better career choice!
Autry stunk here in ’00 overall and if Matthews is out this is arguably the worst group of RBs in the NFL right now.
If I’m Smallwood, I see an old man who really isn’t going to carry the ball (Sproles), a slight ego who yaps but is a nobody (Barner), and lots of opportunity to get some carries and make a real impact in training camp.
There seems to be a good level of attention to Smallwood from the writers. I hope you’re right that he steps up.
He is probably to busy thinking about how much he hates Philly.
“If there was a terrific RB on the market, you’d go get him.” umm Arian Foster was had for $1.5m!
Yayyyy, another injury prone older RB!
Foster isn’t terrific at all; he’s injury prone and weird. We could do without him.
Ok fine….Barner it is!!!
No, not ok. Ever.
Will Barner be this year’s Heath Sherman or Darnell Autry?
Hopefully he’s the roster version of Nicole Brown Simpson and/or Ron Goldman.
Starting off the season with deep seething hate for a bottom of the roster kind of guy. I hope for your sake it doesn’t pan out like it did for me the last time I felt the same about a player:
It was Riley Cooper’s final year of his contract. Camp was about to start and I just KNEW he was getting cut before camp was over…
But you were vindicated by history; so it is all good!
Would have preferred the rest of his Eagles history just never happened!
He is weird but probably better than anyone else when healthy.
And I can dunk a basketball better than anybody else when I’m 9 feet tall; that ain’t happening either.
Well I mean he has been healthy as recently as the start of last season. Not arguing you should count on a guy like that but just because he is injury prone doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the ability.
You though (going out on a limb) have never been a 9 footer.
I might have been, but it was so long ago that I may have forgotten. Much like 2012 being the last time Foster chose to play 16 games.
Ouch
I feel like Reckless maybe isn’t the best thing to put on your shirt if you’re Ryan Mathews.
Someone get him a shirt that says excessively careful!
or “FRAGILE–Handle with Care!”
italian, huh?
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If Matthews misses an appreciable amount of time this year, this really is going to become the dink and dunk offense as they sing ‘dink, dink, dink’ marching down the field. ‘Efficiency’ will become their buzzword.
Eagles ’16 offensive saying might be ‘I live my life ten yards at a time. Nothing else matters’
now we have a coach AND a QB who live by the dink, die by the dunk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFbLRZCExBk
Love this. . Play it if the fat man comes to town this season
I would counter that you open it up for the other RBs with a deep passing game. You have the horses…just need the cannon to have a fuse.
I whink Smallwood is good enough to handle the ball around 250 times this year (this would be the McCoy/Westbrook amount)
I guess better, “Matthews is hurt already,” than, “Matthews is hurt and will miss the playoffs.”
How’s that for a positive spin?
Silver linning: Mathews out with a common ankle injury means he can’t be on the field to risk serious injury lol
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Dudes violent running style is just not conducive to playing 16 games.
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I’ll be happy if we get 13 games out of him this year
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With his running style, if he was one of the more Durable RBs, he would probably be a Force!
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I can understand if he misses a game or two as long as it isn’t in December or January. From a guy so big, so fast, who constantly initiates comtact creating some punishingly violent collisions…. But that Violent running style is no excuse for Fumbling… If he can take care of the ball, I’ll live with him missing 2 or 3 games..
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Hopefully that smallwood kid proves to be a nice complimemtary weapon Longterm, capable of contributing Somethng to the offense as a rookie
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I expect Sproles to be a big part of the passing game, so I don’t know how much he can also contribute to the run game
I’m not nervous. Really! I’m fine!
The Philadelphia Eagles prized free agent acquisition will not suit up for the first full-squad practice.
Brandon Brooks is out of practice Thursday for reasons undisclosed. Brooks signed a five-year, $40 million deal with the Eagles in the offseason.
Like the giff, don’t care too much about Brooks missing a day because of a flight or some crap.
It isn’t an undisclosed reason because he missed the flight. Curious to see what this is.
You never know in this case, but generally it is nothing and we never find out why. I said some random meaningless thing, because of my confidence in the fact that it is meaningless.
Barner fingers strikes again
https://twitter.com/BrandonGowton/status/758757463034302464
well, lol, I just posted below that I thought he was getting good reviews early on coming in. Never mind then
WIsh it was just Barner. Gotta be honest, it’s the WRs, RB’s, and even tight ends at times who drop the ball. It’s sad!
But I really only dislike Barner being on the roster.
I mean other than a couple drops, has he been known for iffy hands? Wasn’t he receiving the heck out of the ball at Oregon?
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2015/
sort it by drop % after you scroll down. Barner was 3rd in the NFL in drop %
Actual picture of Banner’s hands:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/30/3e/03/303e036a537eddab7d7d53ae77c09373.jpg
You know I thought his skills were pretty much on the way out after he got his big contract, but Ray Rice is available. It’s not like he is getting picked up, so just wait and see on Matthews. So surprised no one has even given this dude a tryout.
Not saying I’m all in on him, but he has always fit the AR RB mold to a tee. Just umm kicking up some conversation since I haven’t been around much (neither have you guys).
P.S Love you Tommy for pumping out content all off-season long, especially when it was a pretty slow one after the draft and FA.
Pardon the pun, but Rice was cooked before he committed that vile felony. If you look at his ypc from his last year (2013) he was at 3.1 per carry. I don’t think he can run anymore.
Right, which is why I was predicting he was done. If you look at it in context though he was coming off of a SB victory, and a fat contract. There is a chance he could have taken his foot off the gas in his preparation just a bit.
In fact he had sort of said that publicly. At the time I figured he was just talking. Just find it crazy no one is even giving the guy a look.
Sure, what he did was reprehensible. I just know from limited personal interaction and lots of public looks that he by all other accounts is a very good dude. We all make mistakes, that is for sure. Some you can just never take back. Putting myself in his shoes I feel bad for the dude that he has to live with having done that every day.
I think we should invite Rice to Novacare, then put him, a broken umbrella and Bradham in an elevator.
2 men enter, 1 man leaves! This is the rules of Novacare!
“I keep stressing to the players to have fun and łet their personalities show on the field”-Doug Pederson..
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Thats probably a welcome change for the players from chip wanting them to be robots
I hope that translates to a lot of fights during practice.
True that!
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I was excited today hearing Pederson say he believes in starters vs the starters going at it in camp “I believe in best vs the Best”…. But he also said there will be a lot of one’s vs. The Two’s in live periods
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Seems like doug plans on making this camp hard on the players, consistent with Andy making it a point to kick the players asses in the first camp or two of his Eagles tenure. Doug said something about welcoming the heat to make it as,tôugh a camp as possible.
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Obviously there will also be plenty of “THUD” periods
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I”ll be thrilled if Doug can pull off a grueling camp while keeping the starters healthy..
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If Doug is going to be here 4 plus seasons, then all his camps shouldnt be exactly the same. Kick their asses early in his tenure, and then take the foot off the gas later in his coaching tenure after the core of players have been with Doug for a few years.
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But he has to find the right balance. A tôugh, grueling camp is no good if half our starters go down with injuries..
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Fortunately between his playing career and coaching career Doug has 18 NFL Training camps worth of experience under his belt. He has probably seen it all and should have a good idea on how much he can push the players without going overboard.. That’s almost two decades of pro training camp experience, not even taking into account his coaching staffs training camp experience
exactly right about tough camp just no injuries please. Also, not being beat up and tired at end of season. Although this season it may not matter
not sure why other post didnt make it, heres my reply
Not sure it mattered with Reid teams prior, never bought into that really. it was more injury problems with the hitting. Be nice to see better tackling, cant wait to see the D scheme either. I just think the offense may be stagnant at times and Doug may lose a few games per his learning curve. We can hope Schwartz brings them up to a level that keeps them in competitive games but I think thats maybe a year or two away. Hope Im wrong there but the youth at corner will take a bit, at least on one side and depth at lb. I think the Skins take the div again but hey, to each their own.
Sorry cant upvote green on green crime
Agholar addressed the reporters today. Handled it like a stud
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Nice to see Rowe and mills opening camp as the second team CB’s..
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Would have been alarming to see Rowe start camp with the 3rd string
thats what she said……til he had to pay her
Not really. A tad too stingy with the details. He could have just as easily have been talking about a missed payment on his mortgage.
He took full accountability, he didn’t make any excuses. What more did you want? A detailed all 22 breakdown of all the sexual positions he did with the chick? Lol
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Everyone understands that he had sex with a stripper, probably didn’t need to spell it out, and provide a sound bite that would follow him forever
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It’s not like he tried to cover his ass and say he didn’t have Sex with the girl
Full salacious details or STFU!
Pretty much. He certainly did come out and address it directly nor really admitting any wrongdoing. Far from ‘handling it like a stud.’
Jason Peters spoke on chip kelly today lol.
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I’ll give you a hint, not the biggest chip kelly fan…
Just read the quote about vets being gotten rid of. I tend to agree, but Peters was a little to quick to kick dirt on the grave of Mathis last year, so I’m not totally impressed.
Did you hear his scheme comments?
I’m sure they were funny. I’m just pissed we threw Mathis in the garbage and our “guards” last year couldn’t guard a prison for toddler quadruple amputees.
Yes it was a loss when he was released, but he was also benched in Denver last year for a rookie.
ya, ouch, thats no joke and hard to disagree with anything he said.
“Peters added he still feels he’s at the top of his game, and that he’s somewhat rejuvenated by the change in coach and offense. He noted that he’s “year-to-year” in terms of the number of good seasons he has left in him, but that he doesn’t want to put a number on it.
“If you run 100 times in a row back-to-back-to-back, don’t you think the 50th time, you’re going to be a little bit slower? But if you get a little bit of rest, you’re going be a little bit faster,” Peters said. “When you go back to the huddle and you get that wind, you’re just a little bit stronger when you go back to the line.”
Peters is spouting the usual stuff that athletes do in their mid-30s especially those who have back problems.
Those same athletes tend to be overly optimistic if not out right in denial about what they are capable of doing anymore.
Who thinks Foles ends up in Dallas as a backup QB?
Turns out Bissinger was largely right about Foles too even if he took a ton of grief and crap for his article that he wrote and he was boorish in defending what he wrote.
I hope not. I want them to suffer with no decent options once Homo goes down.
Brooks had a hamstring injury that caused him to miss practice.
Philadelphia Eagles have agreed to terms with Darren Sproles on a one-year contract extension, according to an official announcement from the team. Sproles was set to be a free agent after the 2016 season, but now his deal runs through 2017. The extension is reportedly worth $4.5 million.
Day 2 in camp – RB is hurt again. Day 3 in camp – extend Sproles. LMAO.
Givens as WR2 in 11 personnel. That’s interesting/almost exciting. JMat has been in slot most of the time. Brooks on D getting some early love. Early in camp but some crumbs on how the players are viewed.
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