Is DRC For Kolb A Real Deal?
Posted: July 18th, 2011 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 44 Comments »Mike Jurecki of XTRA 910AM, an Arizona radio station, wrote this on his blog tonight:
Spoke w/ a source… What I’m hearing is Kevin Kolb is the guy and Arizona is prepared to offer DRC straight up.
Makes sense for both teams… AZ desperately needs a QB; Kolb has the biggest upside of the QB that could be become available. They have ID Kolb as the guy.
Philly needs a corner Nnamdi Asomugha is the number one free agent (take QB’s out of he mix), Ike Taylor is 31 yrs old and would like to cash in…DRC is under contract the next 2 yrs making over about a million per yr. So the Eagles won’t have to pay any signing bonus.
Also Kyle Orton and Matt Hasselback on the short list IF they can’t get Kolb.
Marc Bulger doesn’t want to play in Arizona… oh well!
One concern I’m hearing re; Orton… if traded that would mean that 2 teams would’ve given up on Orton the Bears and Broncos, Orton didn’t play well down the stretch last yr.
Interesting. Is this a fair deal? Is DRC enough for Kolb? I’d sure like to come away with at least a mid-round pick in addition to DRC, but maybe that’s me being greedy.
DRC would be real interesting as an addition. He’s young and talented. He would be a long term solution at RCB. I previously wrote about him here. At the least, I’m definitely intrigued.
I’m intrigued too. The only thing is I don’t think DRC staight up for Kolb is a fair deal for the Eagles. If Az is trading for Kolb that means he’s their franchise QB and I think that is worth a little more than only DRC, maybe mid round pick too. The thing is this guy said this is what Az prepared to offer so maybe this is their starting point in the negotiation.
Great work on the site BTW, I love this new blog.
I’d want more but would be ok with this.
DRC is a 25 year old proven player. Kolb is a 27 year old question mark.
I know it’s Eskin but he said on Sports Final last night it was DRC and a 2nd for Kolb.
It seems pretty fair. Question marks for both players. I’d like to see some conditional draft picks tied to the trade, but I’d be happy with DRC (especially with that contract). Wouldn’t surprise me if Roseman was able to get Patrick Peterson, though.
@DB i don’t want Peterson… unless the new rookie wage scale is extremely favorable. Plus if you’re the Cards you gotta keep this draft pick to save face with the fans.
I would be pleased as punch to get DRC plus a 4th. I like the idea of including conditional picks… it would help both franchises save face if one of the two didn’t work out well.
I am all for the Eagles being viewed as a team that makes fair trades. I feel like they have treated other teams fairly in the past and that Reid and co. have a good reputation around the league. I would like to keep it that way!
also @ DB… it’s nice to hear a fan having some respect for Roseman. I am on board with you in as much as I think that Roseman has a good nose for talent/value.
Dan
“DRC is a 25 year old proven player. Kolb is a 27 year old question mark.”
DRC is a CB. Kolb is a QB. Thats the difference
I was thinking DRC and a 3rd, but this would be a good trade for conditional picks based around Kolb’s performance. The biggest negative on Kolb is the question mark. I’m confident he could meet some marks to make it worth a 2nd.
DRC and a conditional 3rd –>2nd/1st for Kold would be fair. The fact that DRC is under contract for 2 more years is HUGE. People are overlooking that. The Eagles could go with DRC and spend that money on a DE+ and re-upping Jackson and still be set salary cap wise for the next few years.
What we DON’T want to happen is the Eagles become salary cap strapped by paying out the wazoo for Nnamdi.
Kind of related. I read somewhere today that DRC has added 10 lbs this offseason in an attempt to improve in the run game.
I was against DRC because I wanted to maximize the picks we receive for Kolb, but I’m starting to like the idea of this trade more and more. DRC really could develop into an elite corner with his skill set and as Jons said above, his contract allows us to be aggressive during free agency in other areas. DRC, Charles Johnson, Haynesworth…well one can dream.
Let’s make it happen folks! DRC, Johnson, Fat Al…. superbowl… Make it happen for us Howie!!! I have been banging this drum for a month at least. I’m drooling over my keyboard here… or am I foaming at the mouth? lol… comon it’s my birthday, Commish, I want a CBA for my birthday!
As long as we get a good RCB, I’m happy. But my order of preference would be:
1. Asomugha (at 12-13 per, no higher)
2. Joseph
3. DRC for Kolb
If they were all on the FA market, I’d probably look to DRC first. They’re not.
With a FA solution available, I want the picks.
Eagles would be insane not to jump on this, if the story is real. DRC is a solid corner, and only 25 years old – younger than Kolb even.
If they can swing a conditional pick, all the better, but I’d be satisfied with this trade straight up.
It would be nice to have some cap space to go after a DE, LB or even a S if there is one.
@McG
Just curious, but what has Roseman done to make you like him? Do you think he’s an improvement over Heckert? My issues with Howie are many, but I’d like to read another perspective.
RE: Roseman… obviously it’s early to get overly excited/disappointed in him. I have read plenty of criticisms about him, but here are the two main reasons why I think he deserves credit.
1. He seems to offer different input from the traditional “Reid” model. One of the best pro Roseman arguments is that it was time for a shake up. That Heckert and Reid were cut from the same mold and it was time to get some new ideas floating.
2. I like the fact that Roseman seems to trust the scouting team and develops targets that we “covet”. I know that not everyone was crazy about the Brandon Graham move, but the kid has skills. I liked it. I thought it was gutsy and we got a baller. Now that he has had microfracture…. 🙁 well… all I can do is pray for his recovery and hope for the best. We can’t exactly blame the GM for an injury to a formerly non injury prone player.
3. How can anyone not like the trio of safetys we drafted?
4. Was he instrumental in finally cutting the umbilical cord with McNabb? I don’t know if we know that, but it was pretty clearly time for a change at QB.
I guess I just feel like Roseman brings a balance to the organization. On the one hand you have Nickles and Roseman, other the other you have Reid and his cadre of coaches. It just seems like a nice mix.
I’m not saying I’m totally sold out on the guy, but I think he deserves a chance, and has been solid.
*Also… I like having allies in the camps of other teams. Part of the reason I don’t want to see Reid go for a long time is his influence around the league with developing coaches.
First time posting. All the way from New Zealand.
DRC for Kolb would be great.
The age + the contract for DRC is the complete opposite of what we would have to handle if we were to persue NA.
Plus he is at the age where he is young enough to still learn, absorb and increase his level of play. Yet still seasoned enough where I would have full confidence in him starting against a team like the Packers or Patriots and not be out of his depth.
Add an impact player at DE and a seasoned, athletic (key word being athletic) LB who can create an atmosphere and set the tone for our younger LBs and DBs.
And just to clarify what I mean by athletic LB, someone in the Urlacher mould who can cover ground(as rumours have suggested we will need a LB who can cover if we use Tampa 2 or a variation of it)
Though I don’t have suggestions on who I would get, I’d really like to see the jump that Chaney makes from last year. He showed he can play, an offseason, some specific attention from coaches and I can see him being great, not just flashes.
@ nzflyer…
Welcome aboard. My PE.com column on Tuesday will talk about Jamar Chaney as the WLB for 2011.
@Tommy
Thanks, I’ve actually been following for probably close to a year and just never really wanted to post. Observing has been my game. Thought I should get in on some of the fun though.
Off topic… what would be the value of brining in someone like ricky williams, ronnie brown or clinton portis as a number 2(if they could handle a reduced role) if harrison isn’t part of our 2011 superbowl team?
We need a competent #2 RB. I can’t see Harrison sticking around. Reggie Bush is a potential target, believe it or not. I think Cadillac Williams would be of interest.
I can’t imagine Ricky or Ronnie would want to come here (due to limited touches). Portis would be an interesting fit if he’s healthy. Excellent blocker. Solid receiver. Can’t start anymore, but might be an interesting role player.
Reggie Bushs name has been floated around, personally I’ve never liked him, but can see why he would fit and would not be against it.
Of the 3 RBs i mentioned, I would prefer Portis for that exact reason you said, his blocking. I can just see him cleaning up any LBs that think they are half a second away from a sack. And the less blocking shady has to do the better. Cadillac Williams could be resurrected in philly.
I read somewhere Leonard Weaver will never play in the NFL again. Any truth to that ? I haven’t been able to follow his status.
If we elect to let Harrison walk, I would love to see us make a play for Darren Sproles. I’m not sure I see Portis as being able to play more than 2 games before being overcome by injury again… Personally I think Williams is on the down side of his career and I wold put Brown in that boat too…
If you want a bruiser back, isn’t Mike Tolbert potentially available? I mean really, what Eagles fan doesn’t want to be able to pound the rock for a bit when we have a lead?
RE: Leonard Weaver
Sadly, he suffered nerve damage when he got hurt. That’s one thing they don’t really have the ability to fix. Ligaments and tendons are fixable, but nerves are a whole other story. Weaver is likely done.
Reminds me of a great line from Young Frankenstein, “Hearts and kidneys are Tinker Toys. I’m talking about the central nervous system!”.
RE: Mike Tolbert
He’s only got 3 years of experience. He isn’t a UFA. Might be an RFA. Not sure.
thanks for clearing that up for me Tommy… wishful thinking i guess :\ still put Sproles at the top of my list though to get Jackson off punt returns.
Folks are talking up DRC’s salary, but the 1 mil a year is only his guaranteed amount. It’s a 5 year, 13-15 million contract with two years left followed by a player option.
“Footballoutsiders.com recently took at look at broken tackles and determined that.. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie had the highest broken tackle rate of any defensive back with 18.9% of his tackles being broken. ”
http://arizonasports.com/?sid=1422720&nid=40
I’m not so sure this is a great deal. Is DRC that much better than getting Ike Taylor, Carlos Rogers, or Josh Wilson, and trading Kolb for draft picks? Or Nnamdi..
I do think that holding out for a Kolb for Peterson has potential. If AZ is faced with a take it or leave it, they would have to decide whether keeping Peterson is worth running Kyle Orton out there.
I’ve been preaching it for months ian… Peterson for Kolb strait up! Spread the good word… I bet the deal woulda been done on draft day if not for the lockout.
I like sproles. But i’d like someine who can grind out the tough yards on 3rd and 4, like portis. The risk of portis getting injured would be minimized by the fact he would not have a heavy workload. Plus his blocking cannot be overlooked, especially behind an o-line who may face alot of changes scheme wise and could experience some growing pains with the shortened off season.
The DRC contract may be more than what it’s perceived, but at least you’d be paying for a player who easily has 5-6 good years left. NA could possibly be over in the next 3, and even then we could be paying more for what we would potetially be paying DRC. Not to say I don’t want NA. But throwing that money at him could make future negotiations with other players (Jackson,vick,shady,maclin and cole) more difficult.
I don’t think the Eagles should use Kolb for DRC, especially straight up. They have a top corner already, plus an effective slot guy and two potential starters in the works. They can get away with an effective-but-not-great starter or an aging star because they have guys coming up. This is true of most of the positions on the team.
This is not true of DE. If they’re going to use Kolb or otherwise break the bank, it should be on a DE. Cole is great, but will turn 30 next year. Parker is over 30 and is probably just a situational guy at this point. Tapp and Te’o are probably rotational guys at best. The only promising young guy is trying to come back from a nasty injury, and I’m not talking about Abiamiri.
As I understand it, a good pass rusher is valued much more than a CB. The Eagles need a good CB, not a great one, and possibly not for long. DE is a much different story.
We could still add a DE with the money that we would save from acquiring DRC. Add on top of that he doesn’t have a signing bonus. The chances of both Marsh and Lindley transforming into top flight CBs could be a bit of a longshot, having DRC there to hold down the fort should their development take longer than usual would be a very prudent mood at this stage. And should DRC be pushed to elite status over the next few years with our coaching staff then it could actually be a bargain.
DEs like Babin and a DT like Haynesworth or and D lineman for that matter, could be persuaded to join the eagles for two reasons..
1) Playing for an immediate contender.
2) The Washburn Magic. He has shown he can turn average players to star(Compare Babin 09 to Babin 10) or Haynesworth with and without Washburn.
On top of that, playing with Washburn would drive their value up for future contracts. Who wouldn’t want that?
I think the biggest thing with the wide 9 that washburn brings is that players are gonna be rotating quite regularly. We need high motor guys, who give one 100% for 2-3 snaps then go have a rest for 2-3. You don’t have to have the most talented guys, so going out and getting high priced FA might not be great if they are going to be on and off the field so much.
A CB who would be playing almost every snap the defense is on the field is who I would give my money to in this situation.
prudent move*
Tommy,
With Weaver done do you see Le”ron McClain as a target. He’s a similar player if not a better blocker. He apparently wants to leave Balt for more touches. We’ve proven to be able to get a FB involved when Weaver was healthy. Also, if we go for a bush or Sproles type player we really lack size a the RB position. Weaver would be a nice compliment to that type of backfield. Thoughts?
From Rose Barracks, Bavaria, Germany
Kolb for DRC is a good move. any extra picks we can get included in the deal would be great, but I am good with the straight up trade. I would prefer patterson, but this is still VERY good. All of the free agents on the street are quite a bit older and will be looking to cash in during free agency. The only knock on DRC is his tackling skills. .. seriously people, this can be taught. The coaches can work with him and improve this area. Its not like recovery speed, where you either got it or you dont, tackling can be worked on and improved. Everyone agrees DRC has top level potential. many players who get traded leave thier teams feeling discarded and go to thier new teams with a chip on thier shoulder looking to prove themselves. We all know that if DRC shows up in Philly, he will hear nothing but questions about his tackling skills. Now combine these factors with the emphasis on fundamentals in the new defense, DRC could be a revalation and may end up being a better player than Samuel…. this is a fair trade. Pull the trigger.
@ Ken, I like McClain, but I’m not sure he would see Philly as an opportunity to get more touches. He does have a nose for the endzone and that gritty kind of work ethic that we Eagles fans love. I sure wouldn’t mind seeing him in midnight green, but my guess is that he will go to a needier team.
@ 357 gotta love the “you can’t teach speed” quote.
I realize this is a “not likely to happen,” but is there any chance that the Eagles would go after Doug Free to play RT if he stays available? He started 7 games at RT in 2009, and he seems exactly the type of player the Eagles like to target and spend for in FA – young (27), already established, plays a key position (RT obviously more important with Vick at QB), and has the added bonus of weakening a division opponent.
Dallas is apparently up against the cap, so an aggressive move could get it done. It’s not like Justice has been so good that you couldn’t upgrade that position. Potentially we could even trade Justice for a mid-round pick to a team that could use a decent starter, but either can’t or won’t pay the big money for Free.
Although I have been in the “get picks for Kolb and sign an FA CB” camp, if we did do a trade involving DRC, Peterson, or some other starting CB for Kolb, then we could spend our FA dollars on Free and a DE. That would give us the potential for a heck of an offensive line.
I am a little concerned that Lurie would be intimidated to “steal” a player from Jerry Jones, but the more I think about it, the more I like this move. Hopefully Howie’s aggressiveness would overcome any qualms Lurie would have.
Thoughts on whether it could or should happen?
DRC is highly overrated! I would hope we’d net a pick in this trade, if it happens. DRC shies away from contact more than Asante and isn’t quite the ballhawk as him. That said, he’s better than anyone on our roster ot named Asante Samuel, but he’s hardly a top shelf CB.
DRC and a 2nd would work.
Or Calais Campbell and a 2nd.
My preference has been Patrick Peterson straight up.
Doug Free isnt going anywhere. Jerry might not have a ton of cap room, but he never lets his own FAs get away if he wants to keep them, and Free is a guy they love. Heck, they could just cut Leonard Davis or Marion Barber loose and free up $. Or others.
For what its worth, I imagine the Eagles and DRC would work out an extension pretty quick if we were to trade for him. 5 for 40-45 million or so would be a decent offer. Wouldnt stop us from doing anything else IMO.
CB need games skills + ok speed first, and if you have better than average speed, great. If you want recovery speed you can bring Geoff Pope back, he runs a 4.3. The problem is how he plays the position.
They could sweeten a Peterson deal with a midround pick, as there’s a lot of midround picks that will be cut in five weeks if they start playing.
Tommy,
Just curious, but DRC was drafted mid 1st round, in the Peterson top 5. Looking at what the falcons had to give up to get to Pick 6 (julio jones) is it safe to assume that peterson would require similar compensation? If so, does kolb equate to the boat load of picks the falcons gave up?
DRC for Kolb straight up is not enough. Throw in a 2nd/3rd I’d be willing to consider it. Peterson for Kolb straight up is a fair deal in my mind. I’d prefer the peterson deal in this scenario. What do you think about Peterson vs DRC?
article idea for Sam:
Will Jerry Jones’ paper tiger eat him alive once the cap comes into play?
I believe Sam has stated this several times: Kolb for Peterson can NOT happen due to the rookie salary pool. The cap is set based on who you draft (regardless of subsequent trades).
Seems like three major arguments for DRC would be:
1. Price. As nzflyer said above, “We could still add a DE with the money that we would save from acquiring DRC.” I would still be on board with NA at $12 mil/year for four years, but a major upgrade at CB and $11 mill (or whatever) to spend doesn’t sound bad. Plus a second round pick too?
2. Age. Younger than every other guy we’re pursuing, including Joseph. Would fit in the with the young guns, and if we could re-sign them all, we could be good for a very long time.
3. Fit. This is being underplayed in the comments, but if we’re switching to a Cover-2 base defense, and Asante and DRC are skilled at playing off and anticipating routes, etc., wouldn’t that be a great fit? I guess Cover 2 corners often play closer to the line on run plays but our new LBs and safeties are built to tackle … I think the two of them playing together could be an issue. For other teams, I hope.
And remember, everyone, keep in mind: Even if we don’t get the best CB available, we’re gonna be way better off than we were last season.