Talent Search

Posted: March 27th, 2012 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 100 Comments »

Yesterday I mentioned in a post that the Eagles could possibly have interest in a player like TE Coby Fleener.  That brought up 2 types of responses.  First, talk more about Fleener and how he fits in.  Second, I thought we were already set at TE.  What gives?

The draft is about 2 things:  filling needs and upgrading overall talent.  In the 1st round you want to focus on finding the best player possible.  You are one ACL tear away from needing help at any position.  Never pass on great talent if you have it available.  Beyond the 1st round, you can focus more on need since the talent thins out quickly.

The reason I brought up Fleener is because he could be a player the Eagles think is special.  I think he’s very good, but not special.  I don’t know what Andy Reid thinks.  Andy once passed on my #1 TE (Jason Witten) to draft an athletic kid from Rutgers (LJ Smith).  Sorry for bringing up bad memories.

The point isn’t that we need a TE.  We don’t.  Brent Celek is a good starter.  Clay Harbor is a good backup (with the potential to be more than that).  If the team feels that Fleener is too good to pass up, then take him.  The reason to like Fleener is that he’s got a really high ceiling.  He’s 6-6, 247.  Good blocker.  Good receiver.  Downfield threat who averaged almost 20 yards per catch as a Senior.  Runs very well.  That’s Todd Heap/Tony Gonzalez/Jason Witten kind of stuff.  Rarely do you find a guy with size, speed, skill, and blocking ability.

Personally, I’m not all that enamored with adding Fleener.  I’d rather see what Clay Harbor can do.  If the team wants to add someone, take Michael Egnew in the middle rounds.  He’s really grown on me.

One of the things I’ll be doing over the next month is talking about scenarios (like trading back and taking Fleener).  I don’t necessarily want these things to happen, but I think it is smart to discuss different ideas.  One problem that we all run into is looking at the same ideas over and over.  You can get tunnel vision.

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FoxSportsSouth has up a show called The Panel.  Brian Westbrook, Dorsey Levens, and Ovie Mughelli sit down with a prospect and grill him on various issues.  It’s not great, but is somewhat interesting.  This morning DT Fletcher Cox was on the show.  Seeing his highlights (which they don’t show enough of) makes me want to draft him in the worst way.  What a player.

Levens asked Cox who he wants to play for and tells Cox not to give him the standard answer of “whoever picks me”.  Cox first choice…the Philadelphia Eagles.  He likes the system and the way the DL get to attack.  God, that was fun to hear.

Cox mentioned the Texans and Falcons as other teams.  He wants to play in a 1-gap attack as a 4-3 DT or 3-4 DE.

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In case you missed it, here is Matt’s latest mock draft – 1st round.  

The newest MAQB column from NFL Gimpy is posted.   He talked about some of the proposed rules changes.  Be sure to tell him if you disagree with him.  I do it all the time.  Feels good.

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Could the Eagles take Cox at 15 and hope Luke falls enough that they could move up for him later in the 1st?  This pretty much would be my draft fantasy.  I think Luke could make it to the early 20s, but can’t see him lasting much past that.  He becomes great value at that point.  We could see about using both 2nd round picks and Asante to make the move.  Extreme longshot, but we can all dream, right? My nightmare is both Luke and Cox gone by 15.

What positions would you draft in the 1st round?   We’ve got to be careful about how we word things.  In the 1st round you have to focus more on player than position.  I don’t want the Eagles to take a WR at 15, but if somehow Justin Blackmon pulled a Jeremy Maclin and fell…I’d take Blackmon in a heartbeat.  I don’t want an OL, but if the right guy is there and he’s clearly the highest rated player…you probably take him.

My preference is for the Eagles to target DL and LB at 15.  CB is a possibility if the right player is on the board.  I think we need someone who can play the slot.  I’m not sure Dre Kirkpatrick can do that.  If the Eagles think he can, then he’s a target.  Same with Stephon Gilmore.

Compare Brock Osweiler to Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson, and Ryan Lindley.   I am not a fan of Osweiler.  He has very limited experience.  It has been proven that QBs need experience to succeed in the NFL.  Osweiler was fun to watch at ASU and he has the physical skills, but playing QB is about so much more than passing skills.  Major project.  I hope the Eagles pass.

Cousins is completely overrated.  I don’t get the love for him.  Wilson is talented, but isn’t a functional pocket passer and that scares the heck out of me.  Lindley was terrific in 2010 and horrific at times in 2011.  He has me seriously confused.  The guy from 2010 I’d love.  2011?  Not so much.

100 Comments on “Talent Search”

  1. 1 Patrick Clausen said at 10:29 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    Can you talk about Zach Brown as SAM, Tommy? I would think if they like him as SAM, he could be a target if we trade down.

  2. 2 bebin abraham said at 11:29 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    I think he’ll be as good as rolle was for us last year…with rolle being a better tackler…there are better sam prospects like tank carder and lovante david

  3. 3 TommyLawlor said at 12:11 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Zach has the speed and cover skills that Juan would love in a SAM. Zach is an inconsistent tackler and can struggle at dealing with blockers. Those are major issues for SAM in our scheme. I don’t think we can spend pick 15 on him. Too much risk.

    If Zach slides to the middle of the 2nd, which is possible, he could be of interest. He’s still a risk there, but taking a flier on a guy at pick 46 is vastly different than #15.

    Zach does have great potential. Very gifted athlete. If only he was a better tackler…

  4. 4 T_S_O_P said at 10:34 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    I checked Scoutsnotebook for what you had said over the season on Wilson, as he has me intrigued. How did he function at Wisconsin were he clearly was a very succcessful QB in terms of not being a functional pocket passer? Can this be coached? Worth a 4th?

  5. 5 TommyLawlor said at 11:22 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    Wilson was fine against crappy competition. He became erratic vs good teams. Nick Toon made more than a couple of great catches. So did the other key WR for them. This is where you can’t go on results, but have to study the tape. If Wilson struggles to get the ball to a wide open WR against a Big 10 team, how’s he gonna do with DeMarcus Ware on the prowl?

    Wilson is great outside the pocket. He is much more natural. Just plays.

    Really smart kid. Great personality. The kind of guy you want on your team.

    I am bothered because he spent 3 years in a WCO at NC State and then played in UW’s run/play-action system last year and he still has pocket issues. This isn’t a kid from the spread offense. This guy played in pro style systems. He’s smart and experienced, but still has the issues. That is a huge red flag to me. I simply don’t see him as starter material.

  6. 6 NoDecaf said at 10:39 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    Wow. Dare to imagine landing both? Let’s just take a moment in a happy place to envision that…

    Oh yeah.

  7. 7 Alex Karklins said at 11:42 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    Yeah. That was nice. [smokes cigarette]

  8. 8 nopain23 said at 10:41 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    Iggles nation should be very concerned that the Seahawks have not signed a LB in FA.if they don’t..LK40 is not getting passed the hawks …..Jacksonville rumor has it is looking to move down….might be trade partners for the Iggles…..possibly AS and flipping 1st rounders.I know it might be a bit high for LK40.but if he is the guy you want..I say you go GET him…!!!! Instead of settle for whomever falls to you….

  9. 9 Zach Reese said at 10:53 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    I can’t imagine a trade up this year, unless one of the elite prospects fall (Claiborne, Blackmon, maybe Coples?). Outside of those 3, Luck, RG3, Richardson and Kalil, the talent in this draft levels out quickly.

    We should stay at 15, expect one of our guys to fall, and if they don’t make it to us, trade back. There’s loads of quality talent at our need positions (LB, DT, DE, CB) that will be going in the 2nd or 3rd rds. I’d love to pick up a few more picks in that range and get a haul like Boykin, Sanu, Lavonte David, Cam Johnson, and Wolfe.

  10. 10 Kristopher Cebula said at 11:04 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    with little to no interest in hawthorne, it may be possible that he’d land back in seattle on a team friendly deal. is there any news or rumors that the 2 sides are not interested in a return to seattle for hawthorne?

  11. 11 Kammich said at 2:27 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    I honestly feel like this is NOT the type of year to move UP in the draft. The rookie wage scale makes it eternally tempting, but there is a lack of truly “talent” outside of the QBs/Kalil/Claiborne/Blackmon/Richardson. This is a depth draft. Especially at positions that we will be targeting(DT, DE, LB, CB, WR).

  12. 12 47_Ronin said at 3:25 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Take a look at the Seagulls’ roster and FA moves, I doubt they draft a MLB at #12 (or a defensive player for that matter). Can you name the Seahawks top receiver in 2011? Neither could I. They invested $$ in a new QB and re-signed Marshawn Lynch. Who will Flynn throw to in 2012? Rice is “recovering” from recurring shoulder injury and Mike Williams may not be ready for OTAs, they can’t trust either one. Are they going to rely on 5’10” Doug Baldwin in 2012? I think they have their fingers crossed that Hawthorne discovers that the FA market is not as lucrative as thought and they can re-sign him at a reasonable figure. I’m not worried they will draft a defensive player in rd 1.

  13. 13 GermanEagle said at 10:53 AM on March 27th, 2012:


    when seeing your love of Cox and Kuechly, will you pull a Ditka giving up all Eagles draft picks and landing both guys?!

  14. 14 TommyLawlor said at 11:22 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    I would never give up all my picks. Too much pressure on the kid. Sets him/them up to fail.

  15. 15 bebin abraham said at 11:00 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    do you see them going into the season with harbor as the FB?….and thus leading to us drafting a coby fleener or micheal egnew…did fleener run a 4.45 at the combine and if so did that speed show up on tape? And isnt he only around 220-230?

  16. 16 Vini Gonçalves said at 11:14 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    I think they will put Havili as FB, the 7th round pick of last year.

  17. 17 bebin abraham said at 11:22 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    we all know about havili…just asking tommy if he thought they would use harbor as the fb

  18. 18 TommyLawlor said at 11:32 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    They will use Harbor at FB in some sets, but he is still primarily a TE. Eagles like to be creative so everyone gets moved around. Team still thinks highly of Harbor as a TE. Big year for him.

  19. 19 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:52 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    What about Drake Dunsmore? Can they make him a hybrid TE/FB and free up one roster spot?

  20. 20 TommyLawlor said at 11:23 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    Vini is right. The Eagles want Stanley Havili as the FB. Gifted receiver. Can be be a functional blocker.

  21. 21 bebin abraham said at 11:05 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    DO you see them def. taking a qb in this draft or will they wait for next yr?

  22. 22 TommyLawlor said at 11:24 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    Eagles would like a QB, but I think they are wrong to go looking for one this year. Poor class. If you can’t get Tannehill, you’re better off waiting to the late rounds and going for someone there. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round guys all have issues.

  23. 23 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:53 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    So you’re not opposed to drafting him #15 overall? Would you do it if Kuechly and Cox were off the board?

  24. 24 TommyLawlor said at 12:59 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    I’m fine with Tannehill at 15. Would rather have Cox, Kuechly, of course.

    Don’t see any realistic way Tannehill gets to 15.

  25. 25 mark_in_jax said at 8:45 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Tommy: Would you trade 15 and 46 to Jags for 7 to get in front of Miami for Tannehill?

  26. 26 Kammich said at 2:29 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    The Trent Edwards signing affords the team some flexibility. They don’t need to make the knee-jerk pick of a QB, now. But if there is one that they like, or one that begins to slide into Day 3 range, they can pull the trigger.

    I wonder if the team would be interested in someone like B.J. Coleman, who seems like the type of Day 3 developmental prospect that Andy and co. used to draft fairly regularly.

  27. 27 Arby1 said at 11:07 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    Jeff McLane’s column today focuses on the need for a solid back-up QB, given Vick’s penchant for getting injured. Do you see Cousins as Kafka 2.0, or a lesser talent? Do you feel comfortable with the Kafka/Edwards duo as back-ups? I don’t really want to spend a pick on a QB but I’m not comfortable with our back-ups. Much as I don’t want to bring the worm-burner back, maybe for a year it wouldn’t be so bad.

  28. 28 Kristopher Cebula said at 11:12 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    i think if mcnabb doesn’t have a chance to start then he is headed to the broadcast booth. he doesn’t want to be a backup. i don’t think anyone will sign him. he will probably stay in shape and if vick were to go down for the season early, maybe you’d see a mcnabb return

  29. 29 Vini Gonçalves said at 11:08 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    What do you think if Ryan Tanehill falls to #15? Should be the best target avaiable? I really like LK40. Every year we have exceptional DTs on board but i don´t see guys like Luke so often here. He is very gifted. Really want him here. And them get a DT with one of the 2nd rounders.

  30. 30 TommyLawlor said at 11:25 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    I think the Eagles don’t hesitate for a second…Tannehill would be the pick. Very unlikely he gets past Miami. They are QB desperate.

  31. 31 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:55 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    If they were really desperate they would have offered Flynn more than the 3 year/ 19 million that Seattle offered.

  32. 32 TommyLawlor said at 1:05 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Unless they didn’t want to overpay for Flynn because they knew they could get Tannehill in the draft. Teams are scared of giving Flynn type QBs big money.

  33. 33 Mac said at 1:49 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Seriously, who would Miami take over Tannehill? How could they possibly try to sell any other move to their fan base. Heck, there will be riots in Miami if the Browns take Tennehill… not sure if it will be more rioting than normal for that city or not though.

  34. 34 Kammich said at 2:31 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    When your owner is making PERSONAL PHONE CALLS to calm down disgruntled fans… yeah… you need to cover your ass. If Tannehill is there, and Miami passes, someone will probably pull an “Ace Ventura” and kidnap Dan Marino again.

  35. 35 Mac said at 6:00 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Well, at least with that scenario NFL network could play a “where in the world is Dan Marino” segment for a week.

  36. 36 Liam Garrett said at 10:20 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    That’s not Snowflake! THAT’S NOT SNOWFLAKE!

  37. 37 Pitmanite said at 11:16 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    Did you guys see the RT by Adam Caplan of the folks at Sidelineview? Has the Eagles taking two LBs in the 2nd round. Does he know our drafting history?

    Actually, they do always seem to throw everyone for a loop, so maybe it’s not too far fetched.


  38. 38 bebin abraham said at 11:26 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    i like david kendricks not too enamored with in our system

  39. 39 TommyLawlor said at 11:28 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    That mock is by Lance Zierlien. He has DT M. Brockers at 15 and then ILB M. Kendricks in the 2nd.

  40. 40 bebin abraham said at 11:30 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    i think he said retweet…and the 2 second rounders just clarifying

  41. 41 nopain23 said at 11:30 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    If LK40 is gone at 15…then I love this draft except I like Zbrown over David….we need an infusion of talent at the LB position..no more 6-7..projects..

  42. 42 bebin abraham said at 11:32 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    watching the tapes of both of them david is the better player..while brown is the better athlete..

  43. 43 Peter Kozicky said at 6:50 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    I’d love David and Kendricks in the 2nd round. I think both would win the starting outside linebacker spots for us in training camp.

  44. 44 midnitemud said at 11:34 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    What are your thoughts on Ladarius Green? If the Eagles were to go for a TE in this draft (later rounds), I think he would make sense. He seems very raw, but that’s what the team should look for in a TE during this draft since they already have 2 good TEs. Depth and competition is what I’m looking for in TE. Just doesn’t seem like Fleener would be a wise choice given what we already have. Green could also be that 6’6 TE/WR threat in the red zone.

  45. 45 TommyLawlor said at 12:14 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Green is weird. More WR than TE right now. Very talented player, but he’s more fast than quick. Good straight line speed. Can struggle with change of direction. Lots of potential, but still a project. Would fit us because of his downfield ability.

    Right now, has no chance at TE due to bad blocking. As a move-TE or hybrid WR, would be interesting. How do you value that, though? Tricky.

  46. 46 midnitemud said at 12:42 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Agreed… value for Green is a question mark, but the intrigue in this guy is palpable. Since the letdown of Cornelious Ingram (who showed so much promise before reoccurring injuries), I have really wanted a hybrid TE/WR that could be a special playmaker as opposed to a traditional TE. If Green is available in the 4th or 5th round, I could see the Eagles having interest. However, what other teams think of him is really the tricky part. I just have no clue where/when this guy could get drafted.

  47. 47 ACViking said at 2:25 PM on March 27th, 2012:

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  48. 48 Kammich said at 2:33 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    I don’t get into the whole “bad body” argument that some people focus on(austinfan had a very insightful post about physical growth in the last thread), but even I have to admit being scared off by Green’s body. He has Pinkston-esque legs. I’m not sure he is capable of being used in-line AT ALL. He doesn’t even have enough potential there to be considered a “hybrid,” I don’t think. Just a big-ass WR.

  49. 49 midnitemud said at 2:44 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    LOL… Pinkston-esque legs are scary, but we still don’t have a “big-ass WR” either. I just don’t see Plax coming here, and Green would be a cheaper option. He is still young and could grow into his 6’6 frame (but certainly not enough to be used in-line). Either way, Cooper needs to be challenged this year by another big WR, and Green could be that player (TE or not).

  50. 50 Zach Reese said at 11:59 AM on March 27th, 2012:

    The only major concern I have so far this offseason is the inactivity at back-up QB. Edwards is obviously a wildcard that can’t be counted on at this point. We must have very high expectations for Kafka this season to have not yet brought in any other FAs.

    While the depth of other positions in the FA pool is still high (especially RB), the serviceable back-up QBs have been plucked pretty clean. With us having the most injury prone QB in the league, we could have benefitted from a Garrard, Josh Johnson, or Shaun Hill.

    With the draft producing only long-term projects, and the remaining FA class headed by underwhelming back-ups like Delhomme, Leftwich, and (gulp) Young, how do we properly fill in our QB depth for THIS season?? Anyone we should keep an eye on? What would your plan be, Tommy?

  51. 51 TommyLawlor said at 12:11 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    I’ll put up a post on QB.

  52. 52 Jeppe Elmelund van Ee said at 12:11 PM on March 27th, 2012:


    You’ve said that you wouldn’t take a WR in the 1st round. However, as you note yourself, we are only one injury away of needing said WR. I know you think it’s too many ressources into one position, but if Maclin is out for the season, wouldn’t it be nice with Blackmon or Floyd as a back-up?

    Furthermore a first round WR is going to sign a 4-5 year deal at a reasonable price, and in 5 years, when we hopefully have to give him a new deal, then DeSean Jackson is probably worn out.

    Do you still think it is out of the question to take Blackmon, Floyd or Wright in the first, if we have the highest grade on one of them at 15?

  53. 53 TommyLawlor said at 12:30 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    In the above post I said I would take Blackmon. Yes to him. We don’t have a player like Blackmon. I do think he is special. I’m always interested in special players.

    Floyd or Wright? No.


    These guys are very good prospects, but they are not special. There are good WRs in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and even 5th rounds this year.

    I want us to upgrade WR. I do.

    However, you cannot spend pick 15 on a WR with 2 young starters already in place…unless the player is special.

    This has nothing to do with money. This is about using draft resources wisely. Pick 15 should be spent on someone that can become an impact starter.

  54. 54 JRO91 said at 12:23 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Anyway we can get a copy of that tape where Cox said he wants to be an Eagle on Howie’s desk?

  55. 55 GermanEagle said at 12:42 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Let’s pretend just for the fun of it and the chances of this happening are slim to none that Trent Richardson falls to #15.

    Would this be a no-brainer for the Eagles then giving the fact they have Shady McCoy already and Richardson being the most talented position player in the whole draft?!

  56. 56 TommyLawlor said at 12:45 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Can’t take T-Rich there. Not us. Have to shop the pick. Jets at 16 would covet him. Have to convince them someone else is trying to get him and see if the Jets give you a 3rd just to move up a spot. Something like that.

  57. 57 Christopher Burak said at 12:57 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    wouldn’t there have to be 2 spots between us?? if the jets pick next, and know we aren’t taking him, they have no reason to trade. just wait for us not to pick him.

  58. 58 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:59 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    But if some other team is willing to trade up to #15, NYJ would be forced to make a move if they really want him

  59. 59 TommyLawlor said at 1:01 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    That’s why you have to convince the Jets that some other team is trying to trade for the pick. And I think teams would. T-Rich is a special RB.

  60. 60 Christopher Burak said at 1:21 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    gotcha. forgot about the scenario of another team trading with us. makes sense.

  61. 61 Kammich said at 2:36 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Cincinnati is right behind them and has two first rounders. It is no secret that Cincy is looking for a stud RB, regardless of the Lawfirm signing.

    Really intriguing scenario. If Richardson is there at #15, you call up Mike Tannenbaum and say, “hey punk, stop holding Tebow’s hand and give us some picks. Cincinnati just offered us both of their 1sts.”

  62. 62 TommyLawlor said at 2:48 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    That would be one of the greatest phone calls ever.

  63. 63 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:44 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    If Green Bay were to draft Hightower and release/trade AJ Hawk, would you go after him? Could he fill the SAM position and be an improvement over what we have?

  64. 64 TommyLawlor said at 1:02 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Haven’t studied AJ Hawk recently, but I would have definite interest in him.

  65. 65 Christopher Burak said at 1:22 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    AJ Hawk plays with My Little Ponies…

  66. 66 TommyLawlor said at 3:23 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    You sure that isn’t Barbie Carpenter…I mean Bobby Carpenter.

  67. 67 Christopher Burak said at 6:53 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    that comment was in reference to one of my favorite signs i saw during college gameday when O$U was at PSU during hawk’s tenure…i really hate O$U

  68. 68 Donald Kalinowski said at 1:08 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    What do you see Dallas doing? I look at their team and they are set at ever position except for S and DE. They invested a lot of money in OG, CB and they have 3 ILBs- Carter, Conner and Lee.

    Mark Barron is a possibility but I also see them taking Fletcher Cox (to our dismay). Does Cox fit their system?

  69. 69 Kammich said at 2:37 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    The Cowboys piss me off, because they’re in prime position to land either David DeCastro or Fletcher Cox… two guys I have in the top-10 of my “big board.” Couple that with the fact that Washington is getting RGIII, and we suddenly have a lot of pressure on us to get our pick right.

  70. 70 Donald Kalinowski said at 2:47 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    They committed 30 million (not sure how much of that is guaranteed) to Mackenzy Bernadeau and Nate Livings. They might not go after DeCastro or Kuechly, but then I realized that they may go after Cox to fill the DE position. Or trade up to get Coples. I hope they reach for Poe

  71. 71 Donald Kalinowski said at 2:48 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    This also makes the NYG superbowl feel even worse. If Dallas had won the last game, they would have lost the 1st game and we woudn’t have to worry about NYG or Dallas picking over us.

  72. 72 Eric Weaver said at 8:56 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Playoffs teams pick after non-playoff teams.

  73. 73 Skeptic_Eagle said at 2:59 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    I see Dallas drafting Stephon Gilmore of South Carolina. He’s definitely got top 15 overall size at CB, and has the man-to-man and zone skills to play in Rob Ryan’s system. Jerry Jones likes size/speed athletes, and Gilmore fits the bill.

    Mike Jenkins rebounded a bit last season, but was delightfully awful in 2010. He’s also recovering from serious shoulder surgery – expected to miss the entire offseason program – and is in the last year of his contract. I think they project him to the outside to start the season, but live with Gilmore as the starter if Jenkins has a slow recovery.

  74. 74 Kammich said at 3:21 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Don’t forget that they committed $50 million to a very good corner in Brandon Carr. I thought CB was definitely the target for Dallas prior to FA… now, not so much.

    Considering how much they considered taking JJ Watt last year, I think its a real possibility that they take Fletcher Cox. Hopefully Copes falls and they draft him. I’d rather see Coples as a Cowpuke than Cox.

  75. 75 Skeptic_Eagle said at 3:56 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    I get you in regards to Carr, but I don’t see why that would preclude them taking Gilmore. Like I mentioned, Jenkins is not a guarantee to be on the field to start the season. I think Carr is a good player that benefits from a weak crop of UFA CB’s. He wasn’t even the best CB on the Chiefs roster.

    The “investment” they’d make on Gilmore wouldn’t be prohibitive from a monetary standpoint; the main thing they’d be investing is draft capital. At that point, having Jenkins return and ultimately be re-signed as the other starting corner is not as critical.

    I’m hoping they don’t get either Cox or Coples. I guess I’d prefer they got Coples, but I think both of those guys can play, and I think Rob Ryan will find creative ways to use them in packages to get pass rush production out of them.

  76. 76 47_Ronin said at 3:45 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    I think the Dallas is definitely in play to draft OL, and defense in the 1st rd. On defense I think DL is not as high a priority as S or OLB. Dallas signed FA Safety B. Pool (ex of the Jets) to a 1 yr deal, and the Jets let him walk, combine him with Sensabaugh and that is a shaky Safety tandem. And the situation with A. Spencer looms large, they tagged him but still have not reached a long term deal. Spencer supposedly will make $9M under the tag, if a long term deal can’t be worked out Dallas may look for a cheaper replacement 3-4 OLB in the 1st rd of the draft (e.g. W. Mercilus).

  77. 77 Skeptic_Eagle said at 4:15 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    I think Dallas, like a lot of teams, wants desperately to get better at Safety, with no real great option to do so. I don’t think Mark Barron goes that high, and I’m not even sure he has the range to do what Ryan wants his safeties to do.

    I agree with you that they’ll probably try and get an OLB run stopper that can provide some passrush at some point in the draft, but I don’t think it will be at 14.

  78. 78 jayanglada said at 1:31 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Do the Eagles really seek to draft the best player available? It’s hard to believe that Danny Watkins and Jaiquan Jarrett weren’t drafted primarily to address need, not value. I know that Andy Reid said that they’d had their eye on Watkins from the outset, but there certainly seemed to be a number of players of higher value available at 24, just not in positions of critical need. If there’s a need bias, then it might be likely that the higher SAM need would take precedence in who’s chosen.

  79. 79 Donald Kalinowski said at 1:44 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Jeremy Maclin was BPA, in their opinion you could say that Kevin Kolb was the BPA. Watkins and Graham were taken out of position of need.

  80. 80 Christopher Burak said at 2:14 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    i think many teams liked graham a lot and he was probably BPA on a lot of boards. he just got dinged up too early. hopefully will come back this year with a vengeance.

  81. 81 jayanglada said at 3:05 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Heckert was the GM for the Maclin and Kolb choices. Roseman may have a different bias toward need.

  82. 82 D3Keith said at 8:08 PM on March 28th, 2012:

    Roseman addressed this today in Domo’s love-ode to him:


    I think that’s why I like Roseman, he self-evaluates, admits failure/identifies the problem and goes hard after the solution.

  83. 83 Mac said at 6:23 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    I don’t think Graham was a reach. Highly rated and respected prior to the draft, and rated as the best DE in his class prior to injury.

    In my opinion calling someone a bust because he got injured is no way to evaluate a pick. That’s what Morton does… don’t be a Morton.

  84. 84 Kammich said at 2:38 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    I think it was different last year, because of no Free Agency. Watkins, Jarrett and Marsh were all definite need picks. We didn’t know when–or if–we were going to be able to address those positions in free agency, so the Eagles were forced to narrow their focus.

  85. 85 jayanglada said at 5:41 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Interesting thought, but they had to be 90% certain that the season would start before October. They also knew they’d be able to have an adequate number of opportunities in FA within a reasonable time. My bigger concern is whether the Eagles see SAM being as much of a critical need as we all do. They may be rationalizing the potential of the current cast of middle and low round LB picks. Also, we hope they draft BPA, but another recent reach was Te’o. The problem in evaluating that Roseman choice is that it’s not clear if they were reaching for need.

  86. 86 D3Keith said at 8:23 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    I agree with Kammich. Last year was not the year to get cute in the draft, and I’m not sure it can be used as much of a blueprint for how a Howie-led draft usually would be run. Free agency afterward, even though you can get a feel for who might be out there, is still a total crapshoot.

    I think Jarrett and Teo show that the Eagles trust their board, regardless of what the consensus opinon is. Kelce and Curtis Marsh might be examples of that, to a lesser extent. Even though the results are a mixed bag, I think I’d rather have my team be confident in who it likes and who fits in, and go get those guys, or fall back when there’s no one they like on the board, then just draft whoever because they have a pick coming up.

    I share your thinking, jayanglada, on SAM though. I bet the Eagles are very tempted to put two of the current guys next to Ryans and call it a linebacker corps. They might well be right, but it’s not very comforting to us as fans to see nothing done at SAM LB.

  87. 87 ACViking said at 2:28 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    RE: Ladarius Green – TE, Lousiana – Lafayette

    Green has “Marques Colston” written all over him.

    Colston was a small college TE at Hofstra whom the Saints drafted near the very end of Rd 7 with a supplemental compensatory pick (Colston was only 3 picks short of being Mr. Irrelevant).

    Now he’s a multi-millionaire Pro Bowl slot WR.

    Maybe the Birds could spend a 5th rounder on Green — stick him in the slot and let him run whatever patterns Colston’s been running for the past 5 years and he’ll be a star.


    It’d be great to read any notes you have on Colston from the 2006 draft. Maybe a nice contrast/comparison for Green.

  88. 88 TommyLawlor said at 3:23 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    No notes posted/summary on him. I’d have to really dig to find stuff. I did watch him at Hofstra. He also did great at Shrine Game.

    Green played in the Senior Bowl, but didn’t exactly help his cause. Showed his talent, but also his limitations.

  89. 89 Kammich said at 3:25 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    I had a 3rd round grade on Colston in 2006. In fact, in my 7th round mock that I posted on my (since departed to new ownership) football site BringTheBlitz.com, I had him going to Kansas City in the 3rd round. A lot of people were like, “umm… Marques WHO?”

    But I had watched the Shrine Game that year and saw Colston not only out-muscle DBs at the line, but then beat them deep with long-speed. It was obvious that he was fully recovered from the major knee injury(s) that had crippled his career at Hofstra. He was still a raw route runner, but you could see the potential of him being special… at least, enough so to warrant a 3rd round grade.

    Like I said earlier in the thread, Green’s body really concerns me. If you want to flat-out call him a WR and commit to him being competition to Riley Cooper, then thats a different discussion for sure. But he is rawer than raw… as green as his name implies.

  90. 90 ACViking said at 4:15 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Great breakdown on Colston.

  91. 91 wee2424 said at 6:20 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    I thought he was mr. Irrelivent, guess not

  92. 92 Liam Garrett said at 10:35 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    I like this comparison.

  93. 93 IowaEagle said at 3:11 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Tommy: What are your thoughts on Abiamiri? I know he’s an injury case, but that aside… What are your thoughts?

  94. 94 TommyLawlor said at 3:21 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    I think he would be a good pass rushing DT in the current system. Showed a lot of promise back in 2008. Terrible luck with injuries. Such a waste. Seems like a very good guy. Hate it for him.

  95. 95 IowaEagle said at 3:20 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Looks like we have another visitor:


  96. 96 Kammich said at 3:27 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Alex will be happy!

  97. 97 TommyLawlor said at 4:58 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Who is Alex?

  98. 98 Kammich said at 5:07 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Our boy Alex Karklins here on IgglesBlitz is a Montana alum that has brought up Trumaine Johnson on a few occasions.

  99. 99 TommyLawlor said at 5:32 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Ahh. I was thinking of the team for some reason.

  100. 100 iskar36 said at 9:51 PM on March 27th, 2012:

    Apparently we will find out Landri’s fate soon:

    @LesBowen: I think (hear) DT Derek Landri will be on somebody’s roster by the end of the week. Dunno if it’ll be Eagles.

    According to McLane, we won’t like it:

    @Jeff_McLane: Birds very doubtful. RT @LesBowen: I think (hear) Derek Landri will be on somebody’s roster by end of the week. Dunno if it’ll be Eagles.