More on the Eagles & QB

Posted: April 15th, 2012 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 53 Comments »

Forget Ryan Tannehill for a minute.  There is a lot of speculation about the Eagles taking a QB early.  To me, that means in the first 3 rounds.  Others may include the 4th round so we’ll also use that.  Here are the likely candidates.  I do not like all these guys.  This is simply a collection of the top names.

1st Round – Andrew Luck, RG3, Ryan Tannehill

2nd Round – Brandon Weeden, Kirk Cousins

3rd Round – Brock Osweiler, Russell Wilson

4th Round – Ryan Lindley, BJ Coleman

It is unlikely that the Eagles get a 1st round QB.  Even the 2nd round could be tricky.  It is possible Weeden goes to CLE at 22.  If not he may go with their early 2nd round pick.  Should he slide…would the Eagles take him?  I would not be a fan of the move, but what about you guys?  Would you want him here to battle for the #2 job with Kafka and Edwards?

Cousins I think is overrated, but there is a caveat.  He worked with Chris Weinke in Combine prep and then threw the ball better than I’ve ever seen from him in his workouts.  Maybe the pro style coaching had a significant impact on him.  If so, he could be worth a 2nd rounder.  Mystery guy because of that.

Osweiler I don’t like.

Wilson I think is too erratic from the pocket, but I do love his intangibles and ability to improvise.

2010 Lindley I loved.  2011…not so much.

Coleman is a I-AA guy, but has NFL talent.  Played really well at the Shrine Game.

Which of these QBs do you want the Eagles to target?

Any darkhorses I didn’t name?

* * * * *

I don’t know if everyone reads the comments section.  Yesterday a couple of readers had great stuff they posted so I’m putting it up top to make sure everyone sees it.

From the great AC Viking on listening to Peter King’s pre-draft Eagles reports:

PETER KING – CNN

I’ve remarked on this before. Take what Peter King says about the Eagles to heart.

For example, in his 2010 mock draft he predicted the Eagles would trade up for a DE. (He was wrong on the guy but right on the move).
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c…

In 2011, he called Watkins to the Eagles basically from the day the Senior Bowl ended.

In 2009, he called Shady to the Birds (in Rd 1, not 2).
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c…

Same thing in 2008 . . .He had D-Jax to the Birds (Rd 1, not 2).
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c…

In 2007, King predicted S Brandon Meriweather to the Birds. After the Pats jumped ahead the Birds and draft Meriweather, the Eagles traded out of Rd 1. Local draftnicks have always said that BW was the guy the Eagles targeted in ’07.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c…

King’s track record on the Eagles is pretty good.

A week or so back in MMQB, Peter King said the Eagles would spend a 2nd round pick on a QB. Besides Weeden, who’s there in Rd 2?

My point, as said before, is King gets scoop on the Birds.  And if he’s saying the Eagles will draft a QB with a high pick, then I’d surmise there’s a good chance the Eagles will do exactly that . . . maybe even in Rd 1.

* * * * *

From the hilarious Baloophi on who not to draft:

The annual “Ten Foot Pole” list!

This is by far one my favorite parts of the draft process. Here are my “do not touch” guys in no particular order and often with no particular reason.

QUINTIN COPLES (DE – UNC)
Inconsistent effort scares the crap out of me, but not as much as his 5-inch thick arm brands.

DONTARI POE (DT – MEMPHIS)
If you have “off the chart” measurables yet can’t produce against teams like Austin Peay, Rice, and Middle Tennessee, then maybe another chart you should be off is the depth chart.

RILEY REIFF (OT – IOWA)
Does not follow the rules. Can’t even abide by the “i before e” rule in his own last name.

JANORIS JENKINS (CB – NORTH ALABAMA)
You can’t spell “potential” without “P-O-T.” Also, if you rearrange the letters in “shut down corner” you get “use a condom”… that is if you flip the “w” upside-down to make an “m”, add an “a” and then simply ignore a bunch of letters.

ZACH BROWN (LB – UNC)
I know he covers well in space but maybe that’s where he belongs if he can’t tackle. Don’t let him become our “can you really teach tackling?” guinea pig.

BRANDON WEEDEN (QB – OKLAHOMA STATE)
Love his leadership skills. Hate that he first exhibited them in the Battle of Fort Sumter.

KEVIN ZEITLER (OG – WISCONSIN)
Last name too close to an ex-girlfriend’s.

VONTAZE BURFICT (LB – ARIZONA STATE)
I’ve got a bad feeling about him but I’m not really sure why. Seems like a solid kid with a great heart and a good head on his shoulders.

BRUCE IRVIN (DE – WEST VIRGINIA)
Had 9.5 sacks this year. Unfortunately the last one was a sign in a Jimmy Johns restaurant 30 days before the draft.

KEITH TANDY (CB – WEST VIRGINIA)
It’s 2012. If you’re still using a Tandy you’ve got problems.

KELLEN MOORE (QB – BOISE STATE)
When everyone agrees that your greatest attribute is “being an offensive coordinator in the huddle” then maybe you should be an offensive coordinator.

SCOTT WEDIGE (C – NORTHERN ILLINOIS)
Might have crippling flashbacks to junior high and chants of “Wedgie! Wedgie!” Clearly affected him enough to choose the one position where a guy has his hands under your butt all game.

AARON CORP (QB – RICHMOND)
Why draft a private equity firm?


  • R G

    I don’t understand all the love for Tanneyhill. He is big and athletic with a decent arm. I think he reminds people of Big Ben. I saw most of his games this year and I never thought I was looking at a future franchise QB. He seemed to wilt and make bad decisions in big games. He is one of the reasons Sherman was fired.

    I also saw most of Weeden’s games. If he was 23, he would be the 3rd QB off the board. Good arm with a quick release. Lots of poise in the pocket. Of course he had Justin Blackmon…

    I would be in Heaven if the Eagles traded up for Justin Blackmon. My favorite player in the draft. I guarantee he will be an impact player in the NFL. He is going to make Sam Bradford look alot better if he goes to the Rams.

    I am still in love with Boykin and I really would like to see the Eagles gamble on Janzen Jackson.

    As a huge SEC fan, I wish I watched at least one MSU game. I have no opinion on Fletcher Cox since I have never seen him play. His production in the SEC is pretty amazing though.

    Baloophi is genius. Absoulutely brillant!

  • http://twitter.com/alex_karklins Alex Karklins

    Baloophi’s Vontaze Burfict comment is the one that did it for me. Shooting beer out of my nose was not pleasant, but it was worth the laugh. And I got rid of my Tandy last month, thank you very much . . .

    Incidentally, spell-check hates the first three words in this comment.

    • TommyLawlor

      Hilarious. And good point on spell-check.

  • http://twitter.com/bubqr Virgile – Bubqr

    Double post for some reasons

  • http://twitter.com/bubqr Virgile – Bubqr

    That list was hilarious.
    For a QB pick, I would not like it, but at least QB is the position where AR seems to hit more often than not, so that reassure me a bit: if they think a particular QB is worth a high pick, then I tend to trust them.

  • ian_no_2

    The Eagles won’t draft Zeitler now but I think he will be in the Pro Bowl.

    Weeden: There’s a bit of a Configure Your Quarterback and Place Your Order syndrome that makes people want a certain height and age, etc. The problem is that few people can pay QB in the NFL I think a team will be able to win the Super Bowl with Weeden as the starter, and they actually get him through his “second contract” years at a discount of sorts. Likewise I have mentioned the short Russell Wilson.

    Jenkins: someone may get the steal of the draft, or someone may have their CB convicted and imprisoned. But I have a hunch that the first time he’s beat in the NFL, his ego will take over and he’ll retain high-to-mid first round value.

    Coples reminds me of every DL bust I have ever witnessed, but that’s not to dismiss him because appearances can be wrong.

    Poe: DL is the position where measurables are most important, pointed out by amongst others Morton. A lot of what made JPP build on his measurables was a strong work ethic. I can see Poe as a bust but is intriguing for the Eagles and Washburn.

    Reiff: I think he’s get on swimmingly with Mudd rather than swim in the mud.. also think he’ll be a Pro Bowler: his backlash came at the wrong time but he’ll surely be given a chance.

    Brown: Not sure. I would like to see the Eagles get him with their second second, but if he can’t tackle that’s not good.

  • P_P_K

    “I don’t know if everyone reads the comments section.”

    Are you kiddin’ me? With all due respect, the comments are often the best part of the post. For that matter, props to you, Tommy, for generating such an intelligent blog that you attract such a thoughftul bunch.

    • GermanEagle

      Thank you, Sir.

    • D3Keith

      The only drawback was that for those of us who do read the comments, this was 2/3s yesterday’s news. And fiends need their daily hit!

  • Mark823

    I don’t think Weeden makes sense, if they draft a QB you’d think it would be a guy that is in line to replace Vick, when they are ready to move on. Weeden is not that long term guy, could be a decent backup but if you’re looking to find someone, to groom to take over for Vick you wouldn’t want someone that will be 30+ when Vick is done.

    • D3Keith

      Weeden makes sense for Miami, a team who needs a top-flight QB sooner rather than later. A little less so for Cleveland, but I could still see the pick.

  • JJ_Cake

    How about taking a late round flier on Nick Fowles from AZ. He is 6’5, strong arm, better accuracy than Osweiler. I guess the knock on Fowles is his athleticism. But he also didn’t have much to work with in AZ.

    It’s probably better for the Eagles to find Vick’s replacement next year. This year the focus should be on winning now.

    • D3Keith

      The counter argument is the roster is basically set except for SLB, slot corner, return specialist, depth, all stuff you can find in the second round and beyond. And given that we’re already at 15, whereas we’ll likely be coming up from the mid-20s or later next year, and it makes sense — if we believe in Tannehill — to get a guy one year further along in his development toward taking over for Vick, and use the 15 now rather than all the extra picks it’s going to cost next year.

      The great thing is I don’t think the Eagles need to be locked in to any one way of thinking.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/5K2OTUH7576XQRGG5VCMKFYTY4 Jason

      Yes I agree, Vick’s replacement is better found next year. With that in mind, I support gambling on Russell Wilson. If he’s good, then you’ve found a cheap replacement for Vick or at least a capable backup, if he’s bad, well use the 2013 pick on a QB as planned and Trent Edwards might be cut…not sure that’s a huge loss. Anyway, I think Wilson’s got enough upside to really be a good player. I wonder where he’d be rated if he were 6’6″? Is 6″ of height really that important? Vick is already a short QB, so perhaps drafting another would fit well because Philly is already concentrating on making sure Vick has throwing lanes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anders-Jensen/748307140 Anders Jensen

    I just read Matts take on elite talents on SNB and more and more I would love to trade up to the 4th/6th spot for a 2nd and 3rd and take Claiborne. Have him play the Slot and cover TEs and take over for NA in 2-3 years

  • nickross23

    Outside of Luck and RG3 I wouldn’t touch any of these QBs this yr. Looking at the potential that the class of 13 has you can find your future QB next yr. You have Matt Barkley , Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson as first round guys. The ACC has a slew of guys who could have RG3 type of seasons, Tajh Boyd, Logn Thomas, Bryn Renner, Mike Gelnnon and if healthy EJ Manual. WVU has Geno Smith coming to the Big 12 as the second best QB prospect next to Jones. The SEC has rising talets in Aron Murray, and Tyle Bray. Some of these guys will raise and fall but the crop is vastly deep

    • D3Keith

      “Tajh Boyd, Logn Thomas, Bryn Renner, Mike Gelnnon and if healthy EJ Manual.”

      The crazy thing is all these guys went to high school in Virginia (Phoebus, Brookville, West Springfield, Westfield and Bayside).

      Those guys are all promising. I don’t watch much D-I anymore, but Logan Thomas looks beastly.

      • Cliff

        Even as a Hokie, I’m not crazy about Logan Thomas’s chances in the pros. He’s come a long way from being a converted TE, but when it’s crunch time, he just lowers his head and powers through defenders. That works in college, but no way he could do that in the NFL.

      • nickross23

        VA has really turned out some really talented QBs. Philip Simms is the backup at Bama he could have started last yr. The class of 13 has college verbal commits in Ryan Burns @Stanford and Christian Hackenberg @ PSU… I try and follow football at all 3 level, high school, college, and pro.. i can’t get enough of the game

  • M0rton

    Outside of RGIII or Andrew Luck, it would be a mistake to draft a QB in the first round.

    Later on in the draft, in the 2nd round and later, I would target only two guys: Russell Wilson or Case Keenum. Both of these guys are highly productive, highly intelligent, highly motivated college winners who would be top-5 picks if not for their lack of height. Don’t bet against a smart, talented, motivated guy entering the NFL with a chip on his shoulder. It would be extremely smart of the Eagles to pick up on of these guys in the 2nd or 3rd round.

    The key is, however: absolutely, 100%, totally, do *not* draft Ryan Tannehill (or any QB not named Luck/Griffin for that matter) in the first round. Whoever drafts this kid in the first round will be making one of the greatest blunders of this draft class.

    • Eric Weaver

      Why Keenum and not Moore?

  • nickross23

    It seems like this rumor of us trading up to 4 just won’t die. At this stage of the game you can’t trust anything as the smoke sceens are everywhere as teams want to drive up the value of the picks. But there has to be a little hint of truth in every rumor right? I believe the FO people when they say the talk to teams about players I.E. Asante or about moving up and moving back. So maybe the have the right team but the wrong pick. Could the eagles be thinking of moving back in the first at Cleveland’s pick at 22 for someone like Flenner? The Browns need a ton of help so my thinking is throw the eagles name around so teams like Miami or KC jumps the gun and trades up then trade your pick at 22 to use for both our 2nd rounders. They Browns would have a hell of a stock pile to put some much need talent in that roster. Any thoughts people?

    • Donald Kalinowski

      If the #4 pick is available, I think the Eagles have to do the due diligence in finding out what the value is for that pick. If all it takes to move up is a 2nd and a 3rd, the Eagles should go for it and take either Blackmon or Claiborne. However, I think Cleveland is looking for a deal similar to what they got last year- 2nds and a future 1st to move up. That’s too much to pay from the Eagles perspective IMO.

  • Noah_Becker

    Drafting Weeden in the 2nd round seems like an enormous reach to me. He’s 16 days older than Trent Edwards and has 5 fewer years of professional experience.

    • ian_no_2

      Weeden has a much better arm than Edwards, but he’s probably going to be taken before he would make sense for the Eagles.

  • Arby1

    Just a stab in the dark because I don’t follow college ball all that closely and haven’t focused on this position for the draft, but based on you saying he had a great 2010 and someone else saying he makes all the difficult, unbelievable throws, my guess is Lindley. Reid often takes player who have a good junior year and then for some reason, falls off the following year. And we all know Reid loves a QB challange. He could be a good value in the 4th, or even 5th, if he lasts that long.

  • Cafone

    I am familiar with Peter King. I’ve read Peter King’s columns. I refuse to believe that any successful prognostication in the past could be anything other than dumb luck.

    • http://twitter.com/alex_karklins Alex Karklins

      Hey! He occasionally has some interesting things to say about coffee, hotels, trains, baseball, and beer in his weekly football column, so lay off!

      Seriously, he may have been a good journalist in the past, but he writes some remarkably dumb things for a guy with supposedly great inside access.

  • JRO91

    We could move up to 7 and get cox. Jags want to move back. Maybe a deal that includes Asante and maybe 3 or 4th? Still leaving our two 2’s in tact for a SAM and CB.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GWMNZ32U6YPGGA7N4JNWH4OSJE Mac

    As much as I like Clairborne…

    I am still 100% on the drop back get Fleener and a 2013 1st round pick (if that’s possible).

    • Mark823

      I really like the idea of getting a 2013 first. That kind of value would be hard to pass up. Having 2 firsts would give the Eagles a lot of flexibility, especially in regards to drafting a QB. It worked out well the last time, because they were able to trade for Jason Peters.

      • wee2424

        Agree

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509888566 Addison Abdo

    Nick Foles out of U of A in my eyes is a better prospect than Brandon Weeden. Most likely a second round talent had not the Arizona team completely blow it this year.

  • wee2424

    There is an article on PFT about Mike Patterson, and his surgery in January. I am someone who soaks up all Eagles news, and I’m a little supriaed that I was unaware that he went through surgery in January.

    I do remember him saying last season, shortly after the incident, that he was planning on having surgery after the season.

    The article goes on to say that he will not be ready for offseason activities, due to the fact he is still recovering. I wonder if this will affect his training camp status, and possibly the start of the season.

    Either way, good luck Mike, best wishes to you on and off the field.

    • aceandson

      I’ve brought this up in the past. I think this is a big reason why the first pick will be DT. The “no glaring needs” talk is more smokescreen. Unless the team is 100% confident that last year’s backup NTs will make the leap to starting material, there’s a big hole in the middle going into camp.

      • wee2424

        The thing is if you draft a DT in the first don’t they all fit UT better then NT, unless you go after Brockers, who is not a Wasburn type player.

  • Donald Kalinowski

    Just curious- I’ve always hear people complaining about broadcasters, sports writers, and etc.. But who are the guys that you actually like?

    • http://twitter.com/benjabad Ben Hert

      I love Joe Buck, but I grew up on his dad, so I’m biased. Troy Aikman, as much as I hate to admit, is pretty good. as well/

    • JC2K

      Ron Jaworski is/was an awesome broadcaster… not just sayin’ that cause he was an Eagle… he really knows football!

  • A_T_G

    I think we should take that Lindley guy in the 4th round.

    Lindley to the Eagles in the 4th, what could possibly go wrong?

    • TommyLawlor

      Mocking Trevard? How dare you sir!!!

    • Donald Kalinowski

      We pass up on the next Justin Tuck.

  • http://www.facebook.com/themikekaye Mike Kaye

    I’d probably go Cousins because I think Andy can seriously coach him up and he’s played tough competition. He may need two years and Vick gives him that if the Eagles want to pay for 2013.

  • Ben Hessel

    It’s funny, as an ASU alumn I saw or was at every game this year. I’ve said since mid season (before the collapse) even that Vontaze was a late 2nd rounder or early 3rd, even with a good combine. Immature, mediocre performance, all “potential”, and he’s really only a 2 down MLB as far as I’m concerned. His college career wasn’t even as good as Rey Maualuga’s at USC a few years ago, and even Maualuga dropped into the 2nd. Vontaze is no longer draftable, at least before round 6. He’ll be off most teams draft boards (or should be).

    As far as Oz goes at QB, he’s fiery, passionate, but very raw. He’s got a good head and is a good guy and will work hard to get to where he needs to be, but based on performances and overall experience, I wouldn’t touch him before the 4th.

  • http://twitter.com/bebinabraham bebin abraham

    I would take wilson in the 5th or kellen moore in the 6th if they were there at that point but I wouldnt want to take one this yr though

  • Cliff

    I don’t get the rush to draft a QB this year. I guess Andy could have fallen in love with one of them, but I don’t see who. The timing is off too. If Andy has to make a case to stay on board this year, why waste a top pick on a QB?

    I’m not necessarily against drafting one, but I just don’t think the puzzle pieces fit this time.

  • ACViking

    T-LAW:

    I’ve made the argument (and it’s just that) that Coby Fleener should be the Eagles’ pick.

    The other day, Ray Didinger said in a “Ray’s Replies” about whether the Eagles might want to take Fleener that he suffers from a back problem that, it seems, will prevent him from doing significant weight lifting.

    Ray D wrote:

    “The negatives on Fleener are his blocking and a history of back problems. He had back surgery in 2009 and while he came back from that it has limited his work in the weight room which affects his overall strength.”

    Here’s the article.
    http://www.csnphilly.com/04/10/12/Rays-Replies-Any-interest-in-Stanfords-F/landing_eagles.html?blockID=686792&feedID=704

    Have you heard anything about that?

    And if so, what impact do you think it has on (i) Fleener’s eval, and (ii) the Eagles’ interest in CF?

  • http://twitter.com/bebinabraham bebin abraham

    If Fletcher Cox and “The Walker” aren’t available with the 15th pick…I hope the eagles can some how make a trade with the rams for their 33rd and 39th pick with our 15th and 5th rd’er assuming there’s a player the rams like….and if that trade were to be made I’d like our draft to look like this

    33- Janoris Jenkins – Slot Corner
    38- Lavonte David- WILL
    49- Bobby Wagner – SAM
    51- Derrick Wolfe – DT
    88th -Marvin McNutt – WR
    114th- Robert Turbin – RB

    That would be my perfect world draft if Cox and The Walker were unavailable..most likely won’t happen..TWO linebackers in the first 2 rds by Andy Reid blasphemy… I know you’ll hate that first pick Tommy

    P.S. McNutt and Turbin might be wishful thinking…more likely replace them with Brian Quick and Cyrus Gray and that’s more realistic

  • Donald Kalinowski

    Tommy,

    What would you do?

    Use a 2nd round draft pick to trade up for Fletcher Cox?

    – or –

    Trade down in the 1st round select Nick Perry and receive an additional 2nd round pick?

    • Ben Hessel

      Since we already have most starting spots filled, would you rather have more depth, or more elite talent added to the roster? Personally, I think we’re at the point where we can really be aggressive in targeting perceived immediate difference makers.

      Here’s a thought… If we traded Asante and our first, plus maybe a late round pick to move up for Cox, and due to linebacker projections Keuchly fell to the mid 20’s, is there a possibility of us trading both 2nds to get back into the first to have keuchly and cox? As Tommy pointed out the other day, pretty much every FA MLB got a weak deal this year. As good as Keuckly is, he isn’t super flashy either so I think he could drop a little ways if Cox is gone before us.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dennis-Robinson/60701880 Dennis Robinson

    What about Nick Foles as a possible QB? He will be a later round pick, like 4 or 5 perhaps and he has some pretty decent intangibles that along with qb coaching could turn into something pretty good. Thoughts?

  • http://twitter.com/JackfinBauer Jack Bauer

    Came away very impressed with BJ Coleman the Shrine game, Good size at 6’3″ 235, strong arm. Played in a pro-style offense at Tenn Chat. He needs some work on going through his progressions (as do most/all QBs coming out of college), but his play-action and pump fakes are Maning-esque (30 second mark )

    http://www.metacafe.com/watch/8178216/nfl_draft_preview_b_j_coleman/

    He’s at least 1+ yrs away from starting and would take some development time from Pederson, MM and Andy. I think this is the right organization to bring him along and a 4th-5th rd pick may provide less risk than a 2nd for Weeden/Cousins.

  • Pingback: Will the Eagles Trade Up in the Draft? | Local Philadelphia News Aggregator