Nick Foles and Chucky

Posted: April 29th, 2012 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 73 Comments »

I finally watched the episode of Jon Gruden’s QB Camp with Nick Foles.  That made me like Nick more and Chucky was as entertaining as ever.  The episode had a weird vibe.  Gruden seemed to like Nick.  He brought in former NFL QB Brad Johnson to meet with Nick and offer advice.  This would have been a gimmick if it was Favre, Elway, or Aikman, but Brad Johnson isn’t a guy you get to boost ratings.

Gruden thought Brad could offer good advice to Nick since they are similar.  Both are 6-5.  Both are sneaky athletic.  Brad was on the Florida State basketball team at one time.  Nick was recruited as a basketball player.  You watch them play and find that hard to believe, but it’s true. Brad wasn’t a gifted QB.  He succeeded through hard work and mental/physical toughness.

Gruden praised Foles quite a bit.  My perception is that he’s normally tougher on the guys.  He did get on Nick for not using his checkdown receivers (normally RBs) enough.  This is a huge part of the West Coast Offense.  If your WRs are covered, get it to the RB and let him make something happen for you.  A 3-yard gain by the RB is better than an incompletion, INT, or punt.

One thing they discussed was how much Foles got beat up at Arizona.  Nick had a young, porous O-line in 2011 and that led to him getting hit a lot.  He had a rib injury, a knee injury, and a hand injury.  The fact Nick played through these injuries showed a lot of physical toughness.  As Gruden said to him, the most important ability for a QB is “avail-ability”.  Boy do we know that is true after watching Michael Vick and Donovan McNabb.

I feel a lot better about Nick Foles after watching the special.  He came across as bright, as a person and QB.  His hero is John Elway, my favorite QB of all time.  Foles grew up in Austin and his Texas QB hero is Major Applewhite, a guy I loved quite a bit as well.  Foles has some personality to him.  One thing that bugged me in the Ryan Tannehill episode was how much he said “yes sir” to Gruden.  That made him seem too much like a kid talking to an adult.  Foles said sir several times, but was also loose and conversational.  Having some personality is important for a QB.  He’s got to run the huddle.  Troy Aikman was a hard ass.  Brett Favre was an energetic goofball.  Joe Montana was a cool, calm leader.  You don’t have to do one particular thing.  You need to be yourself and it helps if you have some personality.

One of the things that blew me away with the Eagles picking Foles is that he is so anti-Eagle.  I never anticipated that Andy Reid and Marty Mornhinweg might want a big pocket passer.  Every year I hear about the QBs they like and the guys are almost always above average athletes.  Foles is average at best.

We know that Andy/Marty genuinely liked him.  The Eagles passed on Kirk Cousins and Ryan Lindley to take Foles.  Reid did say in his press conference that the Eagles liked Russell Wilson a lot.  He might have been the true target, but Foles wasn’t a desperation pick.  The Eagles took him with other QBs on the board that they had worked out and shown some interest in.  Foles was a guy they genuinely liked.

It is easy for me to judge him based on game tape, but QB is a really mental position.  That’s really a spot where you need to meet the guy and spend time with him to get a feel for his personality and mind.  Is he smart?  Is he coachable?  Does he have the thick skin to make it in the league?

I’m not changing my tune on Foles.  He wasn’t a guy that I wanted.  I do like him more after seeing the special.  And I do trust Andy/Marty since they did their homework on him and made the pick in such a specific way.  If he was the last QB off the board from the top group, then it would have felt like a reach…”better get somebody”.  The fact we were able to wait and get Brandon Boykin does make me feel a lot better as well.  Him in the 3rd and Foles in the 4th and things make much more sense to me.

I hope Nick proves me wrong and does become a terrific player.  I’ll gladly sing his praises and admit my stupidity.

Thanks to a reader…here is the full Gruden/Foles episode.

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Here is my scouting report on RB Chris Polk, who the Eagles signed as a UDFA.

Polk is nothing like Shady McCoy.  Polk is a N-S guy who doesn’t hesitate or dance.  He’s not an ideal fit for Mudd’s blocking scheme, but could be a very nice complement to Shady.  Guys will be used to chasing Shady and dealing with his elusiveness.  Then Polk comes in and runs downhill.  It is like dealing with a pitcher who throws a knuckleball, but also hits 88 mph on the gun with his fastball.  Tough combo.

It is possible that Polk could be the #2 RB for us.  He’s got serious ability.  The reason he fell is a medical concern.  The hot rumor is a degenerative hip.  I also heard shoulder issues.  I don’t know what the truth is and frankly it doesn’t matter.  He’s an Eagle and the key is for him to stay healthy.  If he does have some issues, the best thing for him could be to be a backup RB.  That will limit the wear and tear on him.

In order for Polk to be #2 he must show that he can pass block and be an effective receiver.  He was a solid pass catcher at UW and actually was quite good on screen passes.  Blocking is an area where he must make serious strides this spring and summer.

I love his size, 5-11, 215.  That’s big enough to have some size, but small enough to hide and avoid some hitters/tacklers.

I do not have a good feel for the backup RB situation.  Dion Lewis is in the mix.  He’s got a year under his belt.  He does lack ideal size and I don’t know if I trust him as the primary backup.  Polk will get a chance to show what he can do.  Bryce Brown is a complete mystery man.  He has the talent to play in the NFL, but must show that he can handle football as a job.  That means working hard in the weight room and practice field.  It means busting your butt on STs.  It means fighting for your job and playing time.  Brown didn’t like things at KSU and quit. The NFL is going to be a lot harder.  Can he handle that?

My guess is that the coaches will look at the young backs at the post-draft mini-camp and then decide if we should go get Joseph Addai or Justin Forsett to be our backup.

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Now that the draft is over and we know who the players are, there is a lot to talk about.  We’ve got 3 months to kill before Lehigh so I’ll take my time in covering things.  My goal is to post new material every day.  There is always something to talk about in regard to the Eagles.

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Off topic highlight of the day.  Anyone excited for The Avengers movie?  I don’t mean the one about to come out, I mean the one from back in the 1970s.  This one.

Iron Man was truly state of the art.


  • Jonzee72

    If there is one place in the league for an RB with injury issues, it’s the Eagles. Hard to get injured/dinged on four plays a game.

  • Jonzee72
    • TommyLawlor

      Great. Updated the post with that link.

  • Kevin_aka_RC

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZctkGOXflg
    The entire Nick Foles segment.

    He seems like a good kid, but nothing there showed me that he “wants it”.

  • NoDecaf

    Maybe that’s why they didn’t invest earlier than a 7th? The plan all along was to go after a FA?

  • So, Vinny Curry is pretty much charming the pants off everyone, including me. If he can really play, we could be looking at the Eagles’ next leader on defense. I get the impression that he would have been totally bummed if the Cowboys drafted him. Dude was absolutely beaming at his press conference.

    Awesome Avengers clip. I hope that Gene Simmons is also in the remake this summer, or I’ll be very disappointed. I’m most looking forward to “Prometheus”:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0WUpsErUBA

    • NoDecaf

      You know what, Curry is such a positive guy, I’m getting his jersey. I actually feel happier after watching his PC. Wow!

    • JJ_Cake

      Here’s to hoping Curry becomes a legend. I think most pro players become individuals and businessmen. It’s the rest of us who are team fan boys and girls. It’s so refreshing to see an athletic team fan get a shot at making the team. You know he will bring everything he’s got. Just hope he’s unbreakable.

  • Since Tommy didn’t mention him, here’s some information about UDFA Demaris Johnson.

    After 3 years at Tulsa, he was suspended from the team for criminal activity following his arrest last August and missed all of 2011. Johnson’s girlfriend worked at a department store, and had him use her debit card on two occasions to make purchases of over $2500 worth of merchandise that she rung up as $13. Both were charged with felony (due to $ amount) embezzlement. Both reportedly entered and completed deferred a prosecution program including many hours of community service, ultimately avoiding criminal conviction.

    Johnson had 1 remaining year of eligibility but decided to declare for the draft. He is best described as a hybrid RB/WR and return specialist. Johnson holds NCAA records for both career kick return yards and career all purpose yards. Listed at 5’8″ 175, he is probably closer to 5’6″. He looks very fast on the tape of his final NCAA game, the 2010 Hawaii bowl:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sI4mLBSqzA

    If you like Boykin on returns, you will love Johnson.

    • D3Keith

      I never like it when a guy gets caught for D’Oh crime. At least if it was a clever scheme you could buy into the guy, but using the girl’s debit card? Ugh.

      We do need some return specialists though.

      • D3FB

        Should’ve used his Seymour Dicks American Express

  • The Eagles really seemed to have a completely different approach to this draft.
    The only thing I cringed over was picking Foles when they could have had Boykin but they ended up getting him anyway.
    An interesting note: while crossing my fingers hoping they would pick Boykin, it occurred to me how many Brandon’s got drafted this year. Four in the 3rd round alone (when I was expecting to hear Boykin’s name). There was at least one Brandon in every round except the 2nd and 7th. The Eagles drafted 2. That’s not a name I would have guessed to be so popular.

    • deg0ey

      I thought that too…And whenever one of them got announced (until we actually got Boykin) I was like “Damn, somebody else…oh…wait…no, that’s not him”

  • nicolajNN

    I’m a child of the 90’s so can anyone fill me in on why Gene Simmons would be in an Avengers movie

    Also, Tommy I don’t know if you are planning to write a post on it but; we are all very happy with the draft (myself included) and the seemingly great value we got with Cox, Curry, Boykin etc but my obvious question would be why they slipped? Not trying to kill the buzz but there must be some “problems”

    • When one team reaches on somebody (Tannehill and Barron) or forces a “need” pick (Poe), good players are going to drop. Both the Eagles and the Steelers got incredible value picks that also addressed needs primarily due to luck and being patient.

      • iskar36

        I think that explains the Fletcher Cox fall, but I’m curious as to why Curry and Boykin fell. For Boykin, I was hearing it was because he broke his leg, but is that something that we should be concerned about this season/long term? What about Curry?

  • Hi Tommy,

    Wow, what a weekend. I just wanted to say how much I enjoyed reading your posts during the draft. I didn’t have the time to write a lot because I was just swallowed up by the draft and keeping track on my personal draftboard.

    I don’t know if you can keep track of how many hits your blog has every day, but I am sure it’s a lot! I know I at least refresh this site 10 time a day (and it’s my home page as well).

    I’ve followed the Eagles since 2005, and the draft extensively since 2007, and I can say without a doubt in my mind that this is the best draft in my time!

    I had 88 specific players on my draft board, that I wanted the Eagles to target. And out of our 9 picks I had Cox, Curry, Kendricks, Boykin + Polk, Thomas and Igwenagu.

    That’s a pretty good haul – I couldn’t have done it better myself. My dream scenario included Cox in the 1st, Curry + Boykin in the 2nd + a SAM in the 3rd. The Eagles FO upped my dream and made it a whole lot sweeter!

  • JJ_Cake

    I like the Foles pick and like Tommy said getting Boykin in the 4th solidifies taking Foles in the 3rd. Foles did not have a lot to work with at UA, coaching and player wise. He was always cool and in control when things went well, and when they didn’t. I’m glad the Eagles have been giving the PAC 12 schools a shot with Foles and Kendrick’s. Some great players have come out of UA like Byron Evans and teddy brusci. If Foles can adjust to the speed of the NFL he will challenge for the QB2 spot.

    I guess that’s the deal with all these guys, adjust to the speed and reaction time of the NFL, stay healthy enough, and don’t burn out on the distractions and then any of these picks have a good shot to make the team.

  • nopain23

    anybody got any info on the UDFA out of syracuse?..tommy?

  • nickross23

    As much as I’m excited for our early round guys the late round and undrafted guys are just as intriguing to me. I really believe if the Polk injury issue was overblown and isn’t a problem then we have another 2nd round talent. Cliff Harris can really cover his ass off and could help out in ST. Philip Thomas should of been drafted and will make this team over Colt Anderson. The kid out of UMass will have every opportunity to make the team going up against Haveli. From top to bottom this class has a chance to be a corner stone for talent on D like the draft class of Macklin and McCoy was for the offense.

    • wee2424

      Agree. I forget his name, but I am very interested to see what that OT we took in the 5th can do under Mudd’s system and training. I like the pick alot. Also agree with you about the Polk thing, specifically about his talent.

      I’m not sure if I agree with you saying his injury is overblown. I think that is being highly optimistic. Remember, the other 31 teams scout and research just like we do. There is a reason a 2nd round talent went in drafted, and then no other team took him when he was I drafted. It is obviouse by how we got him that there is and should be legitimate concern.

      All in all I obviously do hope it doesn’t affect him, and I guess you can say

      • wee2424

        Wouldnt let me post anymore. But what I was trying to say was. You can make the arguement that it can’t be that bad if he was able to ball on the college level. However we all do know that the NFL is completely different.

        Does anyone know if this hip condition made him miss any games in college?

        • Davesbeard

          He says there is no hip condition and that his shoulder was analysed by the famous Dr. James Andrew who deemed there to be no issue other than scarring. All seems a bit strange.

          • wee2424

            Strange indeed

    • wee2424

      Btw your username always trips me out because my gf’s name is niki Ross.

      • nickross23

        Yea I’m trying real hard to be optimistic with Polk, I do not believe it caused him to miss time after it was first discovered and after his surgery. He has a real good opportunity in front of him to win the #2 spot behind shady and I believe he can do it. Lol sorry for the confusion I get from people that I’m trying to be like Rick Ross, but I’ve been Nick Ross my whole life lol

        • wee2424

          Haha Rick Ross. Lol hate Rick Ross. It honestly went through my head that you were her, and she was just trying to spy or keep tabs on me. I never really thought that, but I couldn’t help the thought traveling through my head.

          Lol also she is a cowboys fan. I swear guys I didn’t kno that till after I started dating her!!!!!

          • D3FB

            “So I saw you were on that eagles site posting about loving cox at four in the morning! My mother was right about you!”

          • wee2424

            Lol, you one of those people that don’t get enough satisfaction out of life so you go trolling on message boards to try and diss someone for no reason? Let me ask you this, were you in your mothers basement when you saw that. You still live at your mothers don’t you man? Go through puberty and grow some balls. It’s pathetic when a guy tries to diss someone over a freaken message board. Your pathetic man, grow up. Go take that cox and shove it down your throat, you giving the head is prolly the closest you will ever get to acctually getting head.

          • D3FB

            A little confused here. I wasn’t trolling. Perhaps you read it wrong? It was meant as a hypothetical of what his girlfriend would say if she actually was stalking him on igglesblitz.

          • wee2424

            Ummm yea, sorry bro, def read it wrong.

  • RC5000

    Interesting post on Foles. Can he win given his situation if and when the opportunity arises. I think you have to delve much deeper and also focus on what Foles can do. Whether the Eagles are right or you are right, who knows. Odds are better you are right which makes it safer to look at the negative side. The reality is the odds are long. We know that with any QB drafted outside the very top of the draft. There is always negative things to look at any QB until they win the big one anyway. Whether you like a mobile 6-3 QB or a 6-5 pocket passer, ultimately the pocket passers seem to be the more likely to win SBs but you have a good chance of having a good QB with a mobile QB.

    What I get out of it is the Eagles think they may be able to mold him and put better talent and coaching around him and that he has the smarts and athleticism to play the position. I think saying Foles is sneaky athletic puts him at average or above average a far cry from a conclusion that he is “average at best” athletically. When someone says a guy is sneaky athletic, it usually is a positive. Of course that’s not even looking at his arm, passing, etc. either.

    When you speak positively about Foles you say he is sneaky athletic. When you make a negative point about him you say he is average at best athletically. One goes above average and the other goes below average.

    The Eagles now have drafted McNabb, Feeley, Hall, Kolb, Kafka, Foles.

  • Baloophi

    Mychal Kendricks – Cal
    Nick Foles – Arizona
    Chris Polk – Washington
    Cliff Harris – Oregon
    Aaron Plufgrad – Arizona State

    Looks like we decided to do the bulk of our shopping at the Pac 12.

    I wonder if our regional scout has some serious salesmanship skills…

  • DF

    Tommy, loved the draft. I feel the one thing the Eagles didn’t get, that I would love to have is a RAC-type slot receiver. Is that guy currently on the roster or available via UDFA or FA? Can DeSean be that guy if called upon?

    • wee2424

      Desean is definetly RAC material on the outside but not inside. Just watch his play last year. If he knew he was going to get hit and there was nothing he could do about it he would jump out of bounds. We have all seen his alligator arms when he thinks he is going to get hit. Dunta Robinson definetly got inside his head.

      Not to mention the fact that he is frail. There are plenty of “small” guys that play slot in the NFL, and do it good. But their build is different, thicker, stockier,stronger. Won’t go down with a half ass arm tackle.

      Demean Unfortunetly is not meant for the slot, that is very obvious if you watch his tape

    • wee2424

      I do agree with you in the fact that I wanted the eagles to get that slot RAC guy. Forget his last name, first I beleive is Wylie. He is a small white Welker like type of player, and can do KR. If you watch his highlites you would be impressed. The kid is very slippery and has insane footwork and moves. He looks like he could be deadly in the slot and in PR and KR, specifically PR.

      Kids got talent, wish he was wearing green, but I can’t complain about this draft. Amazing draft, don’t like the Foles pick so much but I can definetly deal with it considering everyone else we got.

  • Baloophi

    Emil Igwenagu

    Brought in to compete at FB? Has similar size as Leonard Weaver who also played TE in college…

  • ACViking

    Here’s a review (from various sources) of the rookie free agents whom the Eagles signed after the draft. There seems to be some confusion as to whether the Eagles signed Akpla or Plufgrad.

    Elvis Akpla, WR – Montana State
    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28018

    Chase Ford, TE – Miami
    http://cnnsi.com/football/nfl/draft-2012/players/111195.html

    Cliff Harris, CB – Oregon
    http://cnnsi.com/football/nfl/draft-2012/players/104494.html

    Emil Igwenagu, FB/H-Back – UMass
    http://cnnsi.com/football/nfl/draft-2012/players/69817.html

    Damaris Johnson, WR – Tulsa
    http://cnnsi.com/football/nfl/draft-2012/players/85326.html

    Aaron Plufgrad, WR – Arizona State
    http://www.houseofsparky.com/2012/4/27/2974736/2012-nfl-draft-profile-aaron-pflugrad

    Chris Polk, RB – Washington
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1631997/chris-polk

    Philip Thomas, S – Syracuse
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664622/phillip-thomas

    Darnell Williams, WR – Louisiana College
    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=113847&draftyear=2012&genpos=WR

    Here’s a something on Williams put out by his school. Worth a look.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UgWzOzIYtk

    Also, here’s a youtube link to “Williams’ highlights.” Nice catch on the play starting at the 5:40 mark. And 6:45. The guy seems to snatch the ball very well.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW3uCbbRUlQ

  • ACViking

    RE: Boykin’s versatility . . . and possible role in the offense in a year or two

    At the 59 second mark, watch Boykin — lined up on offense in the slot — go 80 yards for a TD. He looks like Percy Harvin, but about 15 lbs lighter.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae1BOuzl2Wg

    The video is Boykin’s highlights from the UGA v. Boise State game to open the 2011 season.

    • wee2424

      I would definetly keep Jackson and maclin in. But I can see him coming in for avant and trying a screen play with him. Fake it to Desean on one side but then hit Boykins on the other side with maclin and celek helping to block.

      Only problem is, I beleive he has bad fumbling issues.

    • deg0ey

      Certainly worth a try, and it wasn’t actually that rare for him to do in college. In 2012, he had 7 rush attempts for 103 yards and a TD. He also had 5 receptions for 71 yds and 2 TDs. Not bad for a DB.

  • wee2424

    Was listening to sports radio (97.5) about 45 minutes ago. They were dissing Kendrick’s pretty bad due to his height. I get that being under 6 foot doesn’t help when you are covering TE’s, especially the real athletic ones, but I do think we are blowing the height issue up a little bit to much. I highly doubt he is going to be anything worse then what we had last year at SAM. Also, in college he was a pretty good cover LB, and he is very athletic himself, not to mention his speed.

    More importantly he is a good run defender, and sometimes being shorter does help (leverage). Add in the fact he will be you mlb of the future, and I’m very happy with this pick.

    Forgot to mention the fact he has the ability to blitz.

    • Davesbeard

      I just don’t get the height issue, show me him consistently getting ‘beat’ in coverage by much taller players and I guess it’s an issue but from the sounds of it that isn’t a problem. It’s not like strength is a problem, his stats are all there. Really don’t get it. Zach Thomas was not a tall LB and he seemed to get by..

      • wee2424

        I think people just want something to nag about. But that’s what I’m saying. If it becomes a consisten problem on the field, then yeah I guess you have a problem. I just view this as a non issue that negative ppl want to nag about.

      • iskar36

        I think the issue with the height thing is that there haven’t been guys that have succeeded at that height. Does it mean it can’t be done, absolutely not, but it does mean Mychal Kendricks will be going against the odds. Having said that, the fact that Kendricks has succeeded so far in his career is certainly promising. I do think it is a legitimate question to raise about Kendricks though.

    • Yeah what a midget, he’s a whopping inch or 2 shorter than DeMeco Ryans…idiots…I don’t like draft dissection for this reason, you tend to bag players that you didn’t like or wouldn’t have selected yourself. If you have GOOD reasons, fair enough, but if Kendricks did fall due to being under 6′, then too bad for the other teams I say.

      • wee2424

        In Agreeance, I for one love the pick.

  • wee2424

    Does anyone know what his hip condition actually is? I’m assuming no due to the fact we are all just calling it a degenerative hip disease. I wish the best for him on the field, but that sounds real serious, so I also wish him the best off.

  • wee2424

    Sorry for making so many posts and not just putting it all in one. But my edit on the iPhone gives me trouble, and every time I think I’m done something else pops in my head.

    Maybe I’m fishing here, but does the drafting of Kendrick’s indicate the Eagles are still a little nervous about Demeco’s injury? Just a thought.

    I do want to go on record as saying I think it won’t affect him at all, and unlike some I’m not really worried about it.

    • Davesbeard

      They’ve already told him he’ll be at SAM.

      • wee2424

        I’m aware of that, but he is best fit for ILB in our system. At the time I’m pretty sure Wagner was available and he projected as a better fit on the outside, ask tommy.

        There is no doubt in my mind if demeco leaves us in a few years , or is hurt next year or something, that Kendrick’s will be the new ILB.

  • Baloophi

    How did we not sign Brent Celek’s brother an an UDFA?

    • Razz_A_Matazz

      We got inside info from an unnamed source, that, “he’s always been a crybaby”.

  • Flyin

    Tommy,

    I hope you enjoyed the hockey game. Is it just a coincidence that following the game, high blood pressure ads being thrown at me?

    Many thanks ge99. I have followed you since 2003 I believe. Game reviews are awesome, as well as the previews, but nothing compares to the knowledge I gain from your draft day posts, as well as, post draft columns. I don’t know prospects, I don’t study them until after the Eagles draft them. I guess I am more of an after draft person of interest. I enjoy hearing about the prospects pre draft, but I love learning about the players once the are in green. And you put out content that is bar-none to anyone that covers the eagles. Other great sources are BGN and pe.com. But your site is always my first stop.

    Love learning about future Eagles.
    as dawk would say “we are blessed”

  • hey tommy

    Are these guys, Candidates to get traded?

    Mike Patterson
    Daryl Tapp
    Joselio Hanson
    Moises Fukou

    • wee2424

      Tapp is the most likely. I think Patterson next year depending on what Dixon does. Lol would fokou even get you a 7th? Hanson, no way. It’s to early for that, boykins hasn’t even played a snap. As much as I like him it’s not like he was a 1st rounder. Plus trading him still makes the CB situation pretty thin.

      • iskar36

        I doubt Joselio is on the trade block already, but if Boykin shows promise, I can see them looking to try and get something for him. The issue is, I am not sure they are likely to get much. Also, depending on both Boykin and Marsh’s progress, I could see Hanson getting cut at the end of the preseason.

    • teltschikfakeout88

      Patterson…..intriguing thought as he has the most value and is not an ascending player. We know what we know about him. Tapp…if we got a 6 or 7 I would be happy. The last two guys have no value. Teams know we will release or cut them at some point.

      • wee2424

        Don’t you think it’s a year to early for Patterson? I think we have to see what Dixon does first. It’s not like Jenkins is young.

        • teltschikfakeout88

          Yes we need to see what the other young players do before trading him. But if we think they can contribute that’s when you have to really think hard about doing it. Otherwise we may have to cut a younger player that we will be always wondering about. Maybe it is to early and maybe its worth the risk. Gotta think about it. No real right or wrong except what do you value more, the short term or long term. However Reid is on a short leash.

          • wee2424

            I agree with what you said, I just took abrahams post as trading right now. Yes we have to see what the young guys can do, and then that will open the door to trading options, but as you and me agree on, you can’t do it right now, before the helmets have even gone on.

      • Baloophi

        Not sure about Patterson’s value given he’s coming off brain surgery. Plus, Dixon is coming off an injury so you don’t how he responds, Landri’s on a one-year deal, and we don’t know what Cedric Thornton brings to the table yet.

    • T_S_O_P

      We have cut Hanson once when he probably had more trade value.

  • JRO91

    I am a little nervous about our WR’s….after Machlin and Jackson there is a BIG drop off. Cooper/Avant/Mcnutt are all servicable, but nothing that scares anyone. I am hoping McNutt or Cooper really take a big step this offseason. I was just hoping for an upgrade at Slot….I hope Mcnutt is that guy, but watching his tape, he seems to have trouble getting off jams at the line by top corners.

    • ICDogg

      Wait…what? I mean, upgrading the slot would be a good idea and all, but it’s not as if we suck there, nor is having a great 3rd receiver even close to a prerequisite for having a great football team.

    • wee2424

      I think you are being a little too concerned. Most teams don’t even have what we have at wideout. This is NFL football, there is a drop off at almost all positions after the starters. We are fine at wideout buddy.

      • pjxii

        So true, down here in Florida the talk shows in Miami are complaining about two things from the draft- that the Dolphins selected Ryan Tannehill and that their top two receivers are still Bess and Hartline.

        • wee2424

          Lol the way the media sounded, it made it sound like everyone in Florida wanted then to reach for tannehil. Do feel bad for those Miami fans.

  • Still don’t like the Foles pick, but I am more optimistic about him being a legit backup down the road than anyone else on the roster. Would have preferred that pick used for another LB. Even if we now have 3 legit starters (big if), we still don’t have the kind of depth we should have unless you are really banking on guys taking a step forward. Still…a very good draft on paper, and that Dline has a chance at being amazing. If they can start fast and the back 7 can come together by mid season, Juan has a chance to make me eat some serious crow.

  • deshawnbentley

    Tommy

    Since it is rumored that Boykin has already had two concussions, wouldn’t this information limit the way the Eagles use him? It seems that if we were to use him on either PR and/or KR it would put him in a vulnerable and more likely position to get concussed again. Two is already serious enough so I think the Eagles might just use him as the slot CB. What’s your take on this?

  • wee2424

    Anyone see our starting DT’s in the next 2 years being Dixon as NT and Cox as UT? If Dixon is able to put it all together and play consistently he has the potential to be very dangerous. As solid as Patterson has been for us Dixon I beleive has a higher ceiling. I think Tommy mentioned it before, his biggest problem is conditioning and getting used to this wide 9.

    While the conditioning is very important it does help that we constantly rotate our d-line much more then most teams.

  • ICDogg

    Love that Avengers clip.

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