ARZ 24, PHI 0 – 2nd Half Thread
Posted: September 23rd, 2012 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 169 Comments »I am literally in a state of disbelief. This has been a nightmare half of football.
I don’t think Vick should be benched right now. Let him play the 3rd Qtr. At that point, see what the score is. If we’re within 14, you leave him out there. Beyond that, play it by ear, but there is something said for putting Foles in. Let him get some work and spare Vick the pounding he’ll be taking as he holds onto the ball.
This just sucks.
Mike Vick so far this season: 3 TDs, 6 INTs, 5 fumbles.
Also, the balance of evidence right now is on the BAL game being the fluke, not the CLE game.
Vomit bucket ready… let’s watch some “football!”
Tommy you are insane. What has Vick shown over the last year+ to make you believe he’s going to get better? If I’m not mistaken Laruie has said this team should be a playoff team, a Super Bowl team, but I guarantee you we have zero chance at the Super Bowl with Vick. Probably zero chance with Foles, but at least he’s a unknown.
Pocket awareness is something Vick just doens’t have. Situational awareness either (which is something McNabb never had). So I don’t see what point there is in delaying the switch. If it doesn’t happen now, just don’t ever make it.
T-Law:
It does suck. And we’re seeing the same problems.
But, as I wrote in the 1st-half thread, it’s just 1 game. The Eagles weren’t going undefeated.
Yeah, we need perspective. That’s for after the game. Now is the time to be bitter and angry. 🙂
Henery’s kick not going out of bounds is probably the only break we’ll catch today.
I think we need to start calling timeouts to stop the clock now.
So that’s Andy’s philosophy. It all makes sense now.
…Really?
Nnamdi and Allen with terrible angles on that play.
Fuck me! Great tackling!
On Vick holding on to the ball, there could be a reason other than Vick sucks! I’m not sure anyone’s open
Hey so that’s 4 quarters with out an interception! Glad we got that one problem taken care of.
Baby steps
Suddenly I’m happy and the game isn’t such a big deal. Thanks for that. (if only it were that easy)
The loss of Peters and Kelce is really going to hurt McCoy. And clearly Vick.
Fair catch at the 5. Smart.
For the record, Marlon Favorite would have blocked that punt.
Brilliant.
In 28 games for the Eagles since 2010 – Vick has:
53 Total TD’s
36 Turnovers
16 Fumbles (kept)
If you ask me – that’s pretty god damn careless for a 100 million dollar QB. A 80 Million Dollar QB. Any QB.
Billick, shhhhhhhhh. Good god. I would rather have Gruden in there.
I can’t believe Vick is still in there. I just don’t understand. Why attach yourself to a Turnover machine?
1.28 TO’s per game and growing weekly? I can’t understand Reid/Wieg’s fancination with him. Sure if he was 21…but he’s 32!
It’s a disgrace to anyone with eyes that Vick is still in there. Just a complete lack of pressure on Reid. It’s time to move on guys. Reid has been average for a decade now.
Why the hell is Bryce Brown in on PASSING DOWNS?!?!??!?
Because Shady screwed up the block on the FUM/TD?
Small time players make small time plays in big situations.
is to let McCoy stay rested for the postseason (cough).
I know they like Brown, but Lewis needs to get some playing time.
How anyone could watch this season and not feel like Vick needs to be benched is beyond me
Well, Shady’s got about 22 yds on 3 carries. Probably time to start throwing again.
yes please, more McCoy
why don’t we ever start the game running like this…
What’s this thing where they hand the ball to someone behind the line of scrimmage? Is that new?
I think they don’t use it much because they worry the refs will call it intentional grounding.
That was almost turnover #13.
I think we lead the league in those, too.
For sure.
Thought the same exact thing. Nearly jumped.
Oh good “Vick’s going to take it on himself to make a play.” That always goes well.
If we get a field goal here it will be a miracle.
Vick gives us the best chance to win. The first half is not on one man. Coaching, O-line, receivers and defense deserves some blame too
Until Foles gets a chance you don’t know that
That play was a great example of how our receivers just run into defenders in zone. They never get separation.
I take that back, they actually just jog into them.
Alex Henry is great at meaningless FG’s! Yay!
sweet! We’re not getting shut out!
That was smart. A ball-control, sustained drive for a field goal when you’re down 24 points. (WHY CAN’T YOU DO THAT IN THE FIRST HALF??!?!?!?!)
cards avg starting field position in the first half was the 35yd line
Re: Juan’s Defense
Castillo’s been put in a tough spot. (Partly his own defense’s doing.)
This 2nd half will be a real test of his half-time “adjustment” skills (if you believe that stuff).
If the Cards keep putting up points, that may say more than we want to hear.
Do we think the whole season will be Jekyll and Hyde (Browns and Ravens) or will we pick a persona and go with it?
If AR/MM don’t make that bone-headed call with 6 seconds left in the first half. It’s 17-6 right now.
so last year against the cards we didn’t have desean and said maclin wasn’t good enough on his own……………..
hard to think having mac could make much of a difference in this game
Kind of what I was getting at, but stated poorly. Though perhaps if it was Maclin on that pass instead of DeSean turtling before the endzone we score and the game goes a different direction.
Finally good starting field position!!!
Has Johnson had a single positive play as a returner?
Washburn is using Tapp & Hunt a lot on 1st & 2nd down.
Then putting Cole and Babin back in on 3rd down.
Hunt’s run defense is pretty damn good.
I know the WR’s and the OL aren’t helping, but that’s just another example of poor awareness. He did everything right, fel the pressure, moved up in the pocket….but then just sat there. Take the extra yard.
Looks like Damaris just got injured.
Never mind. I guess when you fill in for Maclin you also have to hobble off the field and then come back in on the next play.
Darryl Washington would be the greatest player in NFL History if he played the Eagles 2 times a year.
Here comes the FG unit. This should be 4 down territory, but not for Reid.
We’re averaging 2 points a quarter.
Gotta say . . . Vick’s pocket presence continues to frustrate.
THROW the Ball AWAY
I don’t get that. It’s still a 3 posession game, field goal or not.
On the throw to Avant, Vick had time to get him an accurate pass. Bang could have gotten the first if Vick hit him with a better throw.
It looked like (to me) that he was throwing to Damaris Johnson, and Avant jumped up and stole it… thankfully, because Johnson was covered.
Ha. That’s even worse.
I thought the same….and was thankful it was not intercepted
If AR/MM don’t make that idiot call at the end of 1st half, the score is now 17-9. It’s a one possession game.
Had we scored a TD on the fumble just before the half, the score would now be 13-17…
I was going to say if we didn’t have a moron for a QB, at worst it’d be 17-9, or a 1 score game….
If Avant let’s that pass go, it’s 5 more yards to D-Johnson.
We’re now down 18, making it much harder to win by 1.
8-8
T-LAW:
In the DGR . . . please talk about the O-line.
Is this a talent problem. Or a scheme problem. I know Mudd’s reputation . . . but what’s the deal?
QB problem
It could simply be a Dallas Reynolds problem. He’s inexperienced and maybe isn’t making the line calls correctly.
Sure looks like a talent problem to me. They’re getting by without an OLineman touching them.
Slow off the ball.
Though I really want to know what happened to Heremanns this year. He has looked horrible.
T-Law:
Card O-coordinator has done a GREAT job of scheming to get Fitzgerald lined up on Boykin. Mismatch.
Yeah, they’ve been creative with Fitz. Good job by them.
Castillo needs to scheme around that though. Good job by their offensive coordinator, but Castillo needs to do better.
This game has all the fun of a calculus test… but is twice as long.
I honestly do not see the love for Vick. In 08 Reid benched Mcnabb. Why is he scared to bench Vick? Can Foles really be THAT bad? Doubt it.
Punishment for the team should be to watch this game 4 times in a row.
WITH commercials!
Yes! And they can’t mute Billick…
That’s a little extreme, don’t you think?
It might actually violate the Geneva Convention.
Avant almost stripped McCoy there… would that still count as a turnover or would we get credit for forcing the fumble, too?
Looked to me like he was grinding on him. I’m not against that, but save it for the locker room.
My god our WR’s do a shit job for LeSean McCoy.
T-Law:
The Eagles really do need a *big* WR . . . one who’s better than Cooper (whom I like, but who’s shown problems tracking long passes).
And isn’t on the field
Perhaps they should have drafted Nicks instead of Maclin like we all wanted
Playing great ball control football now. Seriously?
we need to hurry up
i like us running with success, but it’s too late for that now, time to throw if we wanna have a chance
Why does an arizona coach have oven mitts on?
That seems like a good use of a challenge on a pass of 3 yards.
I mean I’m hard on Reid. But seriously Wisenhunt is challenging a 3 yard reception that keeps the clock running?
He must be facing Celek in fantasy this week.
Wow. Wow. Great coaching, great QB play. Great team.
AC Viking, is right. It IS only 1 game. We are still atop the division. We have shown the ability to mount a comeback (although not this week), and we have the talent. This is tough to watch, but you are approaching Morton territory. That is not a place you want to go.
Can not take a sack there. Incredibly dumb!
What can Vick do there? Two guys were completely untouched coming at him.
One thing’s for sure: this team looks ready for the Giants next week.
Too early to fire Reid with a 2-1 record? I mean it’d be a first, but come on, this is a 8-8 team….at best.
Tommy?
Even you and your reid-like mind can admit its time for Foles, right?
Cant win with #7… Throw Foles in the fire and see what happens here at the end
Lets all look on the bright side. We don’t face a losing team until week 8, when we play the New Orleans Saints.
2-1….up next NYG, PIT, DET, ALT, NO, and DAL
We could have a nice 2-7 start, I mean I’d feel somewhat confident picking against Philly in all those games, we clearly have the worst QB in that strech.
Hahahaha this team is a joke.
Anyone else rooting for the clock to tick faster?
It’s sad how obvious the draw play was going to be.
Terrible defensive awareness. From coaches to players.
DRC’s penalty was the best hit we had on them all day.
I’m rooting for the season to end. Got 2013 to look forward to. Same coaches, same players, same team as last year. Why should I believe we are a playoff/super bowl contender?
I guess because the Giants were garbage last year for most of the season. The sad truth is we’ll be tied for first in the division after this diarrhea-fest.
I understand the record is servicable, but I haven’t seen a good game of Football played by this group.
Nor I… but we’re one concussion away from seeing what Foles can do – it could be a very different team.
Ah but you forget the Giants have an elite QB
I’m telling you it’s 13 games and counting for the Reid era
This is pathetic. They KNOW it’s a run and yet, they can do nothing to stop it.
Wow with the horse collar no call
Brace thyself for the “this was the wake-up call we needed” nonsense to be broadcast out of Novacare this week…
Why the timeouts? Really 24-6, in the redzone, we really need to extend this game? Fucking Andy.
As much Castillo love as there was the first two weeks, he did not come prepared today. He has been out coaches by the opposing off. Coordinator
Not sure you’ve ID’d the correct coordinator who was out-coached.
Yeah really. Castillo’s unit could have pitched a shutout and we still would have lost.
That’s fair. MM clearly got dominated in this game, but unfortunately, I don’t see him going anywhere as long as AR is here. We will stick with the unbalanced attack and keep forcing a gameplan that is clearly flawed because AR thinks he can just keep doing something until it works.
Re: Kevin Kolb’s “sweet” win
Stick Kolb behind this O-line . . . he’d be dead.
Yep.
He would be dead behind his Oline if he held the ball 5 seconds every drop back
We just lost the feed here in NY for Family Guy. Let me know if we pull it out and win by 1.
Great comeback. Eagles now lead by 31. Don’t check this anywhere. Just trust me.
Tommy – I’m assuming your DGR will review this version of the game where we mount an improbable 52-point comeback.
I almost wonder about putting Foles in here, but looks like Vick stays in.
The Foles era cant begin soon enough
Reid made McNabb suffer the same way.
Like he’s punishing the QB, rather than giving the young guy a chance to develop.
Pad the stats time, this way we can say the Birds still league the lead in offense.
9 turnovers in 3 games, 14 points given up, 28 points scored. This is our “franchise” QB. Wow.
Took a huge hit there, why he is still in
Remember when playing the Cardinals was an automatic W?
Never?
What NoDecaf said. It’s a team we “always” marked as a W when the schedule came out, but then they smacked the losers we root for in the mouth, in played us tough constantly.
By my count 5-8 under Reid.
0-3 against Wisenhunt.
Well, I sit corrected.
Here comes the who cares stats
Vick should not be the starting QB in week 4, he will be, but he shouldn’t. Reid is going to sink his ship, by sticking with his QB.
Gotta check the tape and see if guys weren’t getting open or if he’s a big part of the problem.
Open or not, Vick still held on to the ball *way* too long.
yeah, they quit.
Tommy,
To echo AC-Viking, I think we’d all “enjoy” an analysis of the O-Line in terms of both talent and scheme. Obviously it’s not always their fault when Vick gets demolished, but it does seem like whether he’s holding the ball all day or not, there are people streaming into the backfield like McDonald’s is offering the McRib for only three hours and they’re all located in Vick’s helmet.
Love the use of quotation marks..
T-Law:
You need to give us some serious analysis on the O-line.
Again, is it talent?
Is it the coaching? (I know Mudd’s reputation. But w/ Peyton Manning as the QB, a lot of problems get covered up.)
OR . . . is it the offensive scheme and play calling?
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One thing about Reid, for all 13 years, he’s so stubborn when it comes to adjusting his scheme to the talent.
No better example was the night Winston Justice was abused by the Osi U.
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This O-line has problems.
Last year’s O-line had problems.
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Adjustments need to be made. Either in play calling. Or coaching.
Can’t speak for last year, but not many o-lines excel after losing both their starting C and star LT in the same season.
I don’t think it matters. The best 5 Olineman of all time, couldn’t block for Vick/Reid. I feel like it’s Reid coaching since McNabb, Vick and Kolb had issues with holding the ball forever. Offensive lineman shouldn’t be expected to block for 5 seconds all day.
Re: The Giants
They have 10 days to prepare.
And they’re D-line is facing our O-line.
Ugh.
We have G-men, Steelers, and Lions before the bye week and Atlanta after. We’ll be 2-5 if we continue to play like this by week 8.
And there’s the requisite game i the season that makes me hate the team, football, damn the gods that I was born in this god-forsaken city, etc.
It’s the “I told you so” game. Yeah, it’s just one game, but it’s the game you’ll hear about when the season ends as the proof they were always a fraud.
Well, I guess it wouldn’t be Eagles football if we didn’t have at least one inconcievably awful game every year.
This team should be embarassed. They were never in this game.
Okay, Tommy and the Iggles Blitz nation, wish I could say this was a fun one, but thank you all for your insight and humor. To paraphrase Big Red, time’s mine… finally.
How dare you abandon us? We’re just getting ready to make a comeback.
Someone just called into PE.com and Bo asked to cheer them up, the caller said in a really depressing voice “somewhere the sun is shining” It actually brought a little smile to my face
It doesn’t matter what sport you are playing, if you keep giving the ball to the other team, you’re probably going to lose. I’m in Australia, so I didn’t get to see how bad this game was (I kinda feel lucky!), but reading the play-by-play this morning and reading your reactions here – wow, the Eagles should be ashamed they can’t hold onto the ball!
Since Reid joined the Eagles, there’s been constant commentary (criticism) that he needs to run the ball more. Against CLE, Tommy argued they were giving Vick a chance to blow off some rust. Fair enough, I’ll take that… but why did Shady get just 13 touches today? Reid/MM need their heads read!
I’ve never subscribed to the negadelphia vibe (probably being half a world away helps!), but I’m feeling pretty shitty about where this team is heading right now, the 2-1 record is a little unbelievable considering the number of times we’ve turned it over… Tommy – love your work, but surely even your eternal optimism has to be shrinking?
What about baseball? Keep giving the ball to their pitcher, you win.
Point taken, though. The likelihood of Vick turning this around, combined with the time we would benefit from that unlikely outcome make me think it is time for a change.
I wonder if we could get Skelton as a backup for Foles…
Ha – way to pick the hole in my argument there… Although, technically, in Baseball, you’re on offence at bat, so it would be more like giving the “bat” away 😉
Look, I specifically didn’t single Vick out, because, as terrible as he has been (3TD/6INT/5FUM and a 66.2 passer rating does not read like the stat line of a $100Mil QB) – Shady has fumbled (twice), BBrown has fumbled, Damaris has fumbled, Henery has missed field goals, and the OL has missed blocks (I read somewhere that Vick got hit 20+ times today!). So I don’t know that we can dump all the offensive problems on Vick, but he sure needs to make some significant improvement in the very near future to justify his pay-packet.
It seems like they either aren’t taking it seriously, or are seriously under-prepared? Oh yeah, and did anyone notice we’re now ranked 32nd in the league in points scored per game?
This negadelphia stuff sucks! Tommy, can’t wait for your positive take on things!
I wasn’t trying to put words in your mouth, and I agree that the offensive line has been an embarrassment. At least 2 of the fumbles, a Shady one and the Brown one, I put on the blocking. Guys have to hold on to the ball, but they need to have time in the backfield to secure it.
At some point, though, Vick needs to adjust to the reality that he needs to get rid of the ball quicker. I can’t imagine that he will be back next year; his pay won’t be guaranteed and he will be 33. So, his appeal is that he gives us the best shot at postseason success this year. But, does he? I’m starting to wonder.
It was the middle game on OneHD this morning at 6. Not sure if you have it though. I watched on Gamepass, was not a pleasant experience to begin the day with that’s for sure.
Plays break down and blocking breaks down because Vick holds the ball too long and moves out of the pocket. O-line isn’t protecting a standard pocket anymore and can’t see where Mike is so they can’t make a sustained block on a D-lineman who has eyes on the QB. Combination of missed blocks, receivers not getting open and Vick just missing the play.
It’s frustrating as hell to watch him get hit on every play, I think I saw about 3 passing attempts where he kept his feet.
Was even more frustrated at the end when the game was dead and we insisted on keeping him out there to get punished. I’d have like to see how Foles went in a situation like that and whether there was a cleaner pocket.
Tommy, is there a reason the coaching staff is constandtly trying to get the bog play even when its obvious its not workong? I was at the game and it was a complete disgrace to watch the arrogance of MM and AR. Vick was getting punished the whole first half and it was obvious that the o line was struggling yet they kept on trying to throw the ball downfield. The underneath and intermediate routes would have been open but all the recievers were running 20 yards downfield for the most part. IMO, this Eagles defense is capable of controlling games and keeping the game close, and so why doesn’t the offense try to help them out by changing field position. The cardinals were constantly getting good field position and the eagles were constantly backed up on their own half of the field. This team can win games with the offense managing the game rather than trying to go out and put up a bunch of points. Andy isn’t calling the game to the team’s strengths. The coaching staff seems too infatuated with the big play.