Riley Reax

Posted: August 1st, 2013 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 290 Comments »

Day 2 of Rileygate is in the books.

Everything seems to  be quiet on the story so we can move on, right? Or not. Lots of different angles to get to here. First up remains the question of whether the Eagles did enough. Should they have cut him? Should they have suspended him?

Suspending him is stupid. That accomplishes nothing.

Cutting him is still a possibility. But not for the reasons many think. You wouldn’t do that to punish Cooper. You would cut him if you felt he was simply going to be too polarizing a presence in the locker room.

I think Riley’s biggest challenge is dealing with his teammates. And that is also his punishment. Think about the times in your life when you’ve screwed up. Think about the look you got from your parents. Their disappointment can be overwhelming. Nothing is worse than being trapped in a veil of shame (well, except the Shame Snuggie).

We cannot accurately say that Riley Cooper is a racist because of the things he said. We can raise the question, though. And that’s what some of his teammates are doing. Look at what LeSean McCoy said.

“I’ve seen the video. I was definitely embarrassed. Coop was one of my good friends on this team, and I just feel like it was a matter of thinking that nobody was watching, and that’s when a person shows who they really are. That’s exactly what took place.”

On Tuesday, Shady and Coop were friends. Now, Shady has to reassess their relationship and has the right to wonder if Cooper is a racist that got caught or an idiot that said something in the heat of the moment.

No suspension is going to have the impact of Cooper looking Shady in the eye on a daily basis.

We also have the question of punishing the crime or dealing with the problem. Suspending Cooper would send a message to the public, but again…it would be pointless. That would simply serve as a convenient public relations move. By keeping Cooper in the locker room and having the players talk about the subject, Cooper is confronted with reality, a very uncomfortable and humiliating reality.

The goal here should not be to punish Cooper so we can feel good. We need to try and learn from the incident. I hope black teammates talk to Cooper about this. He has to learn that you can’t say that kind of stuff, whether on camera or not. Your words have consequences. Cooper wanted that word to hurt the man he was yelling it at, but it also affects others. There are certain words in the English language that are so loaded with meaning and so powerful that you cannot use them without having to deal with the consequences. The N-word is in a league of its own.

Beyond his black teammates, Cooper let down many others. Jeffrey Lurie has to ask the question “Do I want this young man still associated with my football team? If so, how can I explain this to those in the public who would question why I keep him?”

Howie Roseman and Chip Kelly have to decide if keeping Cooper is worth it, in terms of balancing out his talent vs the distraction he will be, both internally and externally.

WRs coach Bob Bicknell has only known Cooper for a few months. Bicknell has to think about things a bit differently. If he says something positive toward Cooper during practice, will that offend any teammates? How do Bicknell and Kelly handle the decision of starting Cooper vs Damaris Johnson, Arrelious Benn, Jason Avant, Ifeany Momah or Russell Shepard? What if the performance of the players is very similar? They can choose Cooper based on a combination of size/talent/athleticism/experience, but will his black teammates see it that way?

A lot of prominent players have spoken to the media and said they have forgiven Cooper. Some have done this because they know and like Cooper. They are able to separate the incident from the man. Others just want to win. They know Cooper can help the team so they want him to stay and play.

There are some players who are like McCoy. Shady said he’s forgiven Cooper, but also talked about how their relationship has changed. The only reason not to trust Riley Cooper as of Tuesday was due to him dropping some passes. Now, that’s changed significantly. Teammates will be questioning Cooper as a person.

Jeff McLane wrote a good piece and got some very telling quotes from players.

“The coaches are saying we should think team first, but this is just crazy,” the player said. “Was he thinking about the team when he said that?”

And

“If he’s on the team, he’s on the team,” the player said. “Don’t mean I have to like him.”

Clearly, not everyone is ready to forgive and forget.

I think Cooper and the Eagles have handled this situation about as well as you could. The Eagles were decisive in fining him and then sending him out to meet the press. Public humiliation is part of his punishment. The team could have dragged this out to gauge the waters and get a sense of the public’s reaction. That didn’t happen. They dealt with it right away.

Cooper has met with the media two days in a row. There is no hiding. He didn’t try and use alcohol as an excuse. Whether true or not, he seems genuine with his apologies and comments. Cooper has accepted any and all punishment that has come his way. We don’t know the amount of the fine handed out by the team, but I would think it would be the maximum allowed, which is about $38,000 (for a player who makes $630,000). This isn’t like some megastar getting fined $50K on a $5M salary. Cooper will be affected by his fine. That’s especially true when you take into account that his football future is pretty cloudy right now.

I hope no one tries to make the Eagles out to be insensitive in all of this. The Eagles have been a progressive organization for the entire Lurie era. Has any team had more black starting QBs (Cunningham, Peete, McNabb, Vick)? There was a black coach in Ray Rhodes and black personnel executives (Dick Daniels, Louis Riddick). The coaching staff has been filled with a variety of minority coaches.

The Eagles didn’t ask for this situation, but I think they’ve handled it the right way.

The key now is for Cooper to seek acceptance from his teammates. Only time will tell if this can happen. Cooper will certainly help matters if he plays his butt off. It is easier to forgive someone playing well than someone who is just okay or struggling. Kelly and the coaching staff will closely monitor this situation. If they sense that the issues aren’t going away, then Cooper could end up getting cut. The hope is that the players will put the team first in this situation and Cooper can be kept, but if that just isn’t happening, the team will come first and he’ll be shown the door.

A big part of teammates accepting Cooper will be if they see he is truly bothered by the situation and is genuine in his remorse. Cooper said he couldn’t sleep last night. He did look like a guy going through a crisis today. He does seem to understand he’s dealing with a serious problem. Some players have the wink-wink, nudge-nudge thing going on and you get the feeling they really don’t give a crap. I don’t know what is going through Cooper’s head, but either he’s giving an Oscar-worthy performance or he is genuinely affected by all of this.

My hope is that his teammates forgive Cooper. I want them to come together as a functional football family. Things will never be hunky dory, if they ever were. I’m an outsider so it is easy for me to want this. It will only happen if Cooper says and does the right things and his teammates decide that he’s worth giving a second chance to.

Two months ago he wanted to fight, for some idiotic reason. Now he’s fighting for his football life.

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  • BC1968

    It’s just not here he’s going to be a distraction, how about when he goes on the road. NY? Washington? Talk about dealing with stuff….

    • JoeD

      Well Vick dealt with it… So did Ray Lewis and pacman jones…and leonard little and stallworth,etc…and all those gys have done or been involved with much worse shit then saying n1gger

      • BC1968

        I absolutely agree with you. So now the question is, is it worth it to keep Cooper around then? He’s not Jerry freaking Rick.

        • barneygoogle

          Maybe the MORAL issue is–there is no reason to cut him.

          • miked718

            Umm how about he’s an exposed racist in a league that is mostly black? And it’s on video?

            America forgives winners. That’s why Ray Lewis and even 2010 Vick were forgiven. Riley Cooper is average at best. America does not forgive average. Or racism. He’s painted with a Scarlet N for life now.

          • barneygoogle

            I have a feeling that there will be a backlash to this clear overreaction by the media–and Cooper will be welcomed back by the fans.

        • JoeD

          Honestly I was never a big fan of Cooper’s WR talent. I dont think the team would miss him one way or another. He does contribute on S/T which we have sucked at for years now.

      • CampDracula

        It’s obvious you don’t get it. And I’m not sure it’s worth explaining to you why.

        • barneygoogle

          Maybe you don’t get it.

  • Crazymike663

    Seems Like are society is a bunch of… If this is the best we can cry about I will take it. It’s not like he killed a person, Like his fellow UF Teammate.. God people need to grow the hell up Life happens

    • BC1968

      Man I hate to say this on Tommy’s blog, but you’re a moron. Who the hell are you to tell people not to feel one way or another.

      • Crazymike663

        You racist to all the people who are Mentally challenged !! Calling a person a moron. Look up the definition old man

        • A_T_G

          Mentally challenged people do not constitute a race. The statement would be bigoted, not racist, if he were speaking about all mentally challenged people in a disparaging tone. In this case I believe he was just referring to you, making it hurtful, much like calling him an old man.

          • Crazymike663

            Sorry, Somebody’s tampon string is showing. “Peoples” feeling’s you are crying about ?? Grow up

          • Admiral Wilson

            You are the one who needs to grow up and gain some perspective on life.

          • A_T_G

            We have already covered a lot of ground here, Mike, differentiating hurtful, bigoted, and racist. Maybe we should save irrelevant and ironic for another day.

    • laeagle

      Sorry, man, there’s no way around the fact that he very publicly crossed a taboo line. This isn’t about being politically correct or anything. You don’t get to step away and play the “everyone’s so sensitive” card. In this case, yes everyone is being sensitive. Guess why? It’s a very sensitive topic. For good reason.

      • barneygoogle

        Did Shady McCoy cross a taboo line –tossing a woman off a bus no the NJ Turnpike? Oh, that doesn’t count.

        • laeagle

          Telling someone to get off the bus you rented is a dick move. It’s not remotely close to throwing an N-bomb in public. And who was talking about Shady? I certainly wasn’t. Wait, you’re going to bring up Gonzalez next? Sorry, we weren’t talking about those things, we were talking about this thing.

          No one is condoning Shady’s actions, and no one is excusing him because he is black and Cooper is white, which is where I’m guessing you were going with that.

          • barneygoogle

            McCoy’s behavior is much WORSE. He dumped a woman out on the road. Where was the comparable punishment. Yea, its about justice.

          • laeagle

            Wow, man. If your argument is somehow that blacks get preferential treatment in our society, you really have been listening to the wrong kind of radio for too long. I mean, that’s as dumb an argument as you could possibly make, flying in the face of pretty much any possible evidence.

            And again, no one was talking about Shady. If you feel he wasn’t excoriated properly by the media and public, maybe you can start a website about it or something.

        • BC1968

          You shouldn’t go to the place where you are going barn, it’s sad and pathetic.

        • Crazymike663

          No he Didn’t call her a cracker first… Sorry !!

        • Admiral Wilson

          No, it isn’t the same thing. Also, shouldn’t we deal with all of these issues on a case-by-case basis? What the heck does Shady’s bus trip have to do with Cooper’s insensitive comments? Shady acted very immaturely this summer, and the fans got on him for that. Also, didn’t Chip talk to Shady about that incident? Quit it with the ridiculous recriminations.

          • Sean Scheinfeld

            The bus incident isn’t comparable to what Cooper did, but his twitter blowup is. McCoy went on twitter and angrily ranted, saying some disgusting things about the mother of his own child, including some vaguely racist things as well. Just like Cooper, he was speaking in anger and what he ended up saying was truly reprehensible. Given all of this, Shady going to the media and making a big deal about how he can no longer respect someone like Cooper is incredibly hypocritical.

        • miked718

          There is no video of what Shady did so the entire world does not have video and audio evidence.

          • barneygoogle

            Excuse me? We have EYE WITNESSES. And now a legal action.

      • Crazymike663

        WHo says it is taboo !!! Grow the fcCk Up.. Insecure people no wonder America is falling apart

    • Scott J610

      Some of us can get upset about racism, animal abuse, AND murder.

      • Crazymike663

        Well we have a come a long way in 150 years. But everyone is racist by definition

        • Admiral Wilson

          Oh please…that weak argument?

          • Crazymike663

            Ah.. I was drunk typing ?? Dude said a bad a bad word, We all make mistakes that we have to live with. He apologized. It seems to me what more can he do ?? He is getting the GZ treatmeant…

        • Scott J610

          Everyone is a racist? I think you may be interjecting your own personal feelings on every person on earth.

    • Admiral Wilson

      First of all, it’s “our” society. Second of all, you must be a very narrow-minded person if you cannot understand that what Riley said was really bad — even if he was just drunk and angry, and not a true racist. You’re right, he didn’t kill a person, that’s obviously worse (glad you at least understand this), but what he said was extremely hurtful to many people. Third of all, you doubled down on the stupid insensitivity by saying someone’s “tampon string” is showing. So, women are weak, second-class citizens and black people should just grow the hell up for being offended by a white person using the most derogatory and loaded racial epithet that could be leveled them.
      You are clueless.

      • laeagle

        You reminded me of Jim Rome’s “take” on the situation, where he sat back in his high chair and shredded Cooper. “What an asshole”, he basically said. This coming from the guy whose most famous moment was getting punched in the face for insulting someone by saying that he was a woman. So, again, women are second class citizens, beneath contempt, and his insult is based on comparing a man to one. That really takes the wind out of the sails of any false indignation Rome may have been trying to dress himself up in. Not excusing Cooper, but Jim Rome is an even bigger asshole than I originally thought.

        • TommyLawlor

          I love Jim Rome. Huge fan for a decade.

          But he jumps on the moral high horse way too often.

          • Crazymike663

            Didn’t he get his T.V. show after Somebody punched him in an interview ? opps i skipped Iaeagle’s comment

      • Crazymike663

        No I meant a man’s tampon string idiot. grammer nazi.. Oh is that a bad word 2 ??

  • JoeD

    McCoy has the right to be upset, but he’s been the KING of misconduct this past offseason. With his whole twitter battle with his baby momma and his alleged kicking a female off a party bus because she wouldn’t put out is just about as degrading to women as you can get. The point is, he needs to know that eveyrone is human and makes mistakes. I dont think Cooper is racist just like everyone who uses the term fag isn’t necessarily homophobic.

    But Shady of all people should find room for forgiveness

    • Mitchell

      Exactly just because you use the N word doesn’t mean you are racist. Cooper definitely shouldn’t have said that stuff but enough is enough. He got fined, he apoligized, and he feels like crap. Really hope this doesn’t continue for another day.

      • laeagle

        I agree with your first point. But one day after this goes live, you’re going to tell the world that enough is enough? You have the scorecard that you’re checking against to base that on, like the draft valuation chart or something?

        Race issues are and have been a monumentally difficult matter, not just in our society but in every society throughout the ages. Your tolerance for the discussion may have run out but that doesn’t mean that everyone has to stop talking.

        • Mitchell

          I mean people can talk about it all they want. I’m not telling anyone to do anything. PERSONALLY, it’s enough for me. This issue could be discussed for literally ages. Unfortunately as a society this is where we are.

          • laeagle

            If by that you mean, this society talks about things too much, then I think you’re wrong. Yes, people will beat this to death for various and assorted reasons. But this isn’t just a headline blip incident. It touches on one of the most important topics you could possibly address. And there is a lot of open and frank dialogue happening right now. Fortunately as a society this is where we are.

          • Mitchell

            No unfortunately as a society we have to deal with a race barrier.

          • Admiral Wilson

            Should we just ignore problems and wish they would go away?

    • barneygoogle

      You got it right.

  • goon

    I feel bad for him at this point. He looked horrible at the presser yesterday.
    Im with you Tommy i have hope the whole team comes around and gives him support.

    • Mitchell

      They need to let him know he shouldn’t say stuff like that, but yeh after they tell him he is an idiot, it’s time to be friends again.

      • BC1968

        Really Mitchell? It’s real easy for you to sit there and say that, maybe not for Riley’s African American teammates.

        • Mitchell

          So his teammates shouldn’t tell him he did something wrong?

          • BC1968

            Listen you’re saying it’s time to be friends again. That’s your thoughts dude and I respect that, but you can’t expect everyone, especially the African American players, are going to feel that way

          • barneygoogle

            Maybe the African American players need to understand that its the WHITE guys who pay for the NFL. take away half the white fans–you got no league.

          • BC1968

            Oh mr jackass did go there, I knew that from your last comment.

          • Ollivier

            It seems so crazy when you speak about “African American” in the USA and never about “European American”… You are all americans…

  • BC1968

    First off, as a white person, I’m in no position to say who should or shouldn’t forgive or how they should feel. It’s Riley’s fault, if a teammate feels a certain way, if it’s a divided locker room, then oh well. Same with the Vick situation, I always respected anyone if they couldn’t root for Vick or could forgive what he did. The same with Cooper. If you don’t like Cooper, Vick or anyone else for what they did, then that’s your right. I’ve seen so many get over it comments by people that it’s laughable.

  • P_P_K

    This is something he will deal with the rest of his life. Even after his football career ends, this incident may end up defining him. People will hear the name “Riley Cooper,” and this is the only thing about him they’ll remember. Considering how painful his language was, this may be a fair punishment.

    He acted like an idiot and he’s paying the price. He’s a young man, who was fueled by alcohol, who said some terrible things. Do they reflect who he is as a person? They must, at least to some extent. Does he truly regret his actions? There’s no way for us to know. But he is standing up in front of the world and saying, “I’m sorry.” I personally like what Jason Avant said, something like, “I prefer to err on the side of mercy.”

  • Arby1

    Riley incident aside, will you please provide a link for where to purchase one of these “Shame Snuggies”? Thank you.

    • TommyLawlor

      Glad someone appreciated that joke.

  • Ark87

    In my opinion only one guy can really get Riley integrated back into this locker room, Mike Vick. He knows something of redemption, and he is one of the few guys respected enough to pull it off.

    IMO if cooper gets cut, he is so marginal, he’s forgotten, the whole thing is forgotten. Give him a chance to redeem himself, it becomes a memorable story. I don’t know any stats, but I can’t imagine what the fall from grace and then full blown resurgence and activism of Mike Vick did to harm the future of dog fighting scenes. I’d like to think we took an awful thing, and managed to turn it around for a net positive. I think Cooper, who seems sincere and willing to do anything, represents an opportunity for something similar.

    • the midatlantic

      Is there really a “N-word redemption story” you can conceive of? I think this story is so much more simple than that. We aren’t talking about dogs being tortured and killed for fun. The Mike Vick saga offends a lot of people (myself included), it makes people uncomfortable and angry — but it doesn’t jab a hot poker into the identity and being of Vick’s co-workers.

      There is a single word that separates a locker room into a “us” and “them” dynamic. The same is still true of our society writ large. Forget homophobia (a problem in of itself, but affecting a comparatively smaller group). As of 2011, 67% of all NFL players were African American (http://www.tidesport.org/RGRC/2012/2012_NFL_RGRC.pdf).

      Riley Cooper, in a drunken huff, tossed out the single worst insult two out of three NFL players could hear (not to mention the remaining third to whom the term would surely draw a negative reaction). He divided an NFL locker room along lines not seen in some time, thank god. He drew negative attention to the franchise, the coach, and his fellow players. I don’t care if he’s sorry, I don’t care if it was the first time he’s ever thought of the word. Cut him, and move on.

      • RIP Worms

        I have to disagree about his actions dividing the locker room into an “us” vs “them” dynamic. That would require that all the white players in the locker room were supporting Cooper’s use of that language. I think it’s safe to say we’ve at least moved past that point in our society.

        Nobody has come out to defend Cooper’s actions that night, Cooper included. Of all the possible outcomes from this story, the least likely is that it will somehow end with a segregated locker room where the whites sit on one side and the blacks sit on the other. Especially because poor Isaac Sopoaga would have to sit all by himself in the Samoan section.

        • A_T_G

          That speaks highly of the organization. Less progressive organizations would just have an “other” section like many government forms.

        • the midatlantic

          Just speaking about the word itself, here, and what it does in separating the people it applies to from the people to which it doesn’t. You’re right about reactions on the Eagles being far more complicated than that. My point is, who cares what the 2013 Eagles players think?

          There’s broader harm done every time a rich white guy calls a working stiff a nigger.

      • Michael Winter Cho

        Speculative question: I never played football or any team sport (just track, that doesn’t count). I imagine football players are talking $hit to each other all the time. They are out there competing and getting hot and sweaty and irritated with each other. Not to mention there are jobs at stake, big money, politics and the accusation of politics. What’s the worst thing these guys say to each other out on the practice field, or even during games? White guys never drop N-bombs in practice? Black guys never use the “C-word”? (Btw, does that word even actually bother white people?) I mean, guys get in fights and break each other’s bones in fistfights sometimes when they’re not even in pads. I just wonder if the team actually views this incident with the same perspective as we do, correctly I think, as outsiders.

        • D3FB

          In games and practices it doesn’t really come to that level of trash talk. If anything it would be more personalized. Linemen get called fat, weak, stupid. Skill position players get called slow or soft. Talented players get things like “All confrence/american my ass”. Things along those lines. The occasional schoolyard attack on somebodys mama. Something that strong and racial would almost be guaranteed to provoke an instant fight even in a game. The only blatant racism I’ve ever witnessed in all my years of playing high school and college football would be black players getting on those of mixed heritage. And that is a whole different can of worms for a different day. Plus that incident was in practice between two good friends who were just battling it out and more in jest rather than in true hurtful intention.

          • Michael Winter Cho

            Thanks for the insight.

  • mksp

    As someone who is rooting for Foles to win the starting job….

    I’m really impressed with the way Michael Vick has handled this situation. His comments have demonstrated a ton of leadership and maturity.

    • Jesus Miguel Hernandez

      Exactly! Just like Reuben Frank tweeted I think yesterday, Mike Vick is a true leader and someone whose actions (since being an eagle) have to be admired and respected.

      • BC1968

        Rueb just hooked me up with a retweet on my first day and now I have 62 followers! I follow Tommy and retweeted this blog. I feel important!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL…seriously i’ll retweet all his blogs :)

  • Joe Jones

    Tommy, thanks for the thoughtful and thorough analysis of this incident. I am an African American fan. I share that because I have heard that word used to threaten and demean me and my family….it hurts.

    What Riley did was wrong but guess what? He made a mistake and then he did the next right thing….he apologized. To me, it was timely and sincere. That along with the fine and as you stated, the awkwardness he’s going to feel for a long time with his teammates is severe punishment. I hope that Riley’s teammates are able to see him as a man who made a very public mistake and suffered the consequences. If we were to look at our own lives, we’d see lots of mistakes, some that are embarrassing, wrong and may have hurt others….that escaped public scrutiny and thus the embarrassment and consequences.

    My hopes for healing and forgiveness are not grounded in race but in something that we all share, humanity and its accompanying frailness. Its really easy to say, “man, I cant believe he said that.” The man made an error in judgment…..isnt the first, wont be the last. If I made that mistake, I’d hope for forgiveness and a chance to apologize and reconcile for the harm I caused……I hope that this city and his teammates give him that opportunity.

    In my opinion, context matters…..doesnt excuse, but matters. If Riley identified himself as a member of a racist organization or expressed a belief that was racist and harmful, its different than the circumstances of this incident. I’m not making a sweeping social commentary on race but simply an opinion and an acknowledgement that at some point in life, we all need a little forgiveness for something. Give Riley his…..

    • Ark87

      well said

      • Joe Jones

        thanks…..Pats in 8 days, I hope the lead story is football, not Hernandez or Cooper(unless its a great game for him and the team)

    • BC1968

      You said his apology was timely and sincere? Wasn’t it a month after it happened and seems like it was only because he got caught? hmmm…I’m convincing myself more and more that I want him gone..lol

      • mksp

        i’m not sure riley even remembers saying it…..and you could hardly blame him for hoping nobody heard him and it didn’t go public. he’s got enough problems (entirely deserved), no need to create new ones.

      • Jesus Miguel Hernandez

        agree with Mksp

      • barneygoogle

        And why don’t we get rid of “throw her off the bus” McCoy as well, since we’re so ethical here?

        • BC1968

          Don’t you have a news channel to watch?

    • A_T_G

      As a white fan, I realize that I cannot feel the impact of Riley’s statements as acutely as you. I can only hope that your views are shared by many African Americans. Great sentiment, well written.

      • Joe Jones

        thanks…..like I said, its grounded more in my belief system than race/ethnicity.

        • BC1968

          That’s right, you’re you, you don’t represent all African Americans, and it’s awesome that you’re as forgiven as you are. Surely, you don’t agree that everyone has to feel the same way?

          • A_T_G

            I think it would be the most bigoted statement in this whole conversation to say that everyone needs to feel the same way.

          • BC1968

            Then you’ve already seen that statement. You know, the get over it statement….everyone is a ….the blank i take it meaning wuss, politically correct….Look around, the most bigoted statement is already on here

          • Joe Jones

            did I say that? I dont speak for anyone but myself…..I shared my race to convey that as a child/teen I was called that often and its intimidating, demeaning and hurtful………I didnt share my race to suggest I speak for all or any African Americans but myself only…..so, your point is what? I speak for myself? yeah, I do….thanks for clarifying that.

          • BC1968

            No but people hoping that you represent the way many African Americans feel seem crazy to me. That comment shouldn’t have been directed at you actually, I apologize.

          • Joe Jones

            no problem

          • A_T_G

            It should have been directed at me?

            Yeah, admiring Joe’s point of view and hoping that it is shared by many in society who have the most cause to be angry, crazy.

            I am not sure from where you are inferring that Joe represents more than himself, or that I am believing that he does, but that battle you were fighting elsewhere doesn’t fit this conversation.

    • TommyLawlor

      Thanks for sharing that Joe. Great perspective.

    • OregonDucker

      Thanks for your post Joe. I have been struggling with what the right course Chip should take and what is fair in this situation. This puts thing in perspective.

  • Jesus Miguel Hernandez

    No one should really have the right to say how we should feel about it, everyone has different backgrounds so theres that. What he did is wrong and he has apologized and stepped up to it.
    I think the attitude Mike Vick had to the situation is the most mature way to look at it.

    I dont think it is fair to consider him a racist although he should acknowledge that his job makes him a role model to others thus he should not repeat this kind of actions.

  • Allen3000

    Appreciate your thoughts on this subject Tommy. It is a very complex situation and unfortunately there are no simple solutions.
    It does appear that Riley Cooper is remorseful for his actions. However, does the shame stem from embarrassment or genuine disappointment in his actions? That’s the real question. I’d like to believe it was a horrible, horrible mistake and does not reflect who he truly is and how he treats African-Americans. If* that is the case, then I believe he will be able to win back the support/trust of many of his teammates. However, what’s done is done and he can’t expect 100% forgiveness.

    • TommyLawlor

      He won’t get 100% forgiveness. Ain’t happening.

      • Flyin

        When you represent a billion dollar organization, the press is immense, and it’s not something you can just walk away from. i.e. Vick. Different, but public perception is similar.

  • Flyin

    Tommy, much respect for you to bring up the Cooper topic again. Not just bringing it up, but speaking about the topic in a professional way.

  • Flyin

    I’m currently listening to one of my few favorite rap albums. Snoop Dogg Doggystyle. I hope no one catches me singing out loud on vid. I may get an NFL gig, not sure I’m ready for that spotlight.

    • BC1968

      Well at least Tommy can talk about it in a professional way.

      • Flyin

        That is why he is he and I is I.

        • BC1968

          Good point.

    • Flyin

      Three negative marks… what’s up… no Snoop fans out there?

      • BC1968

        Your humor is lacking. Your view of what happened is way off. . PIck one.

        • Flyin

          Have you ever listened to the album I mentioned?
          It’s a crazy mixed up world.

        • Flyin

          Fuel up your cognitive skills if you want to play the game.

  • A_T_G

    Wow, Tommy, well done. Your blog always fosters intelligent, reasoned conversation. It would have been easy to view this as a third rail topic and just avoid it, but you brought your trademark objective style to it head on. Well done, and I bet the conversation that follows will take its cues from your lead.

    • TommyLawlor

      Thanks.

      Free pair of used sunglasses for you.

      • A_T_G

        Woohoo! Hopefully “gently used.”

  • RIP Worms

    I think there are two possible (not necessarily mutually exclusive) explanations for his actions at the concert. One is that he is racist. And really I think that much is settled; the question is simply a matter of degree, i.e., just how racist is he? The other is that he was in a confrontation with someone and wanted to verbally assault him with the most hurtful language he could (I think we can agree he used about the most hurtful language one could muster).

    If he has anything going for him in this situation, it is that he has been around most of these guys for a few years now. They have dealt with him day in, day out and probably have some sense of whether this was an isolated incident or just the one time he got caught.

    There’s no denying, though, that this will haunt him for at least the rest of his career. And he has nobody to blame for that but himself.

    • laeagle

      One of the things to consider is what saying that says about a man. Does it say he’s a persistent, entrenched racist? Is there some sort of secret double life he is leading, and this is evidence of that? I certainly don’t think so, and I think people should keep that in mind. Does he consider black folk to be “beneath him”, or intrinsically inferior to him? Judging by his relationships with his teammates, I would guess not. I would hope not.

      What it says to me is that he was a thoughtless idiot, and he did one of those things people do where they step over a line and it’s way, way worse than they expected or could have predicted. Being drunk didn’t help, being angry didn’t help, but at the end of the day, drunk or angry, you’re responsible for and judged by your actions. This was a shitty, stupid thing he did. But it doesn’t put him in the category of being the grand wizard of the KKK.

      Nor is it like what Michael Richards did a few years back. That shit was crazy, and showed (to me) some seriously f-ed up ways of thinking about another race. That, to me, painted a much clearer picture of someone who had some truly sad ways of looking at the world.

      Is Cooper in that category? I’d hope not. But man did he stir up a shit storm, and he’s reaping the whirlwind. Unfortunately, that’s sometimes what happens. We get called to task for our mistakes.

  • Scott J610

    It seems to me if you use that word in a mean and derogatory way Cooper did, you’re pretty much racist.

  • barneygoogle

    Shady McCoy is a great football player and a wretched human being–with no respect for women (throw her off the bus) nor the mother of his child. To me, that’s a thousand times worse than anything Cooper said. He has no place to complain about anyone else.
    Was McCoy ever fined for his off the field antics? I doubt it, but he is being sued in civil court. Better get 2000 yards or a bus without doors.

    • Iskar36

      McCoy making dumb decisions has absolutely zero relation to his reaction to Cooper. They are totally separate issues. He can be the biggest womanizer in the world, that doesn’t make Cooper’s comments any less idiotic nor does it make McCoy’s decisions any more acceptable.

      • D3FB

        I think he was more referring to McCoy throwing stones while living in a glass house. Shady’s comment about how Riley acted when he didn’t think anybody was looking certainly bothered me, due to Shady having plenty of skeletons in his own closet. Both have acted out of line.

      • barneygoogle

        Well, then where was the punishment of McCoy? The hysteria? The fines? The media attacks?
        Nuttin.

      • RC5000

        It has much to do with it. How was McCoy disciplined?

    • A_T_G

      Shady’s actions were wrong, misogynistic, and widely condemned. Vick’s actions were wrong, criminal, and widely condemned. They are still both entitled to opinions to this entirely unrelated event. Bravo to Vick for showing, if genuine, such compassion, and, if not genuine, such maturity and leadership. Hopefully, with time, Shady can reach that same place. I am willing to give a kid dealing with his own issues at least a few days to process this, however. His statements to the press were not, as a fan, what I was hoping to hear. His candor, however, is probably more beneficial to the conversation that has spilled into society in general.

      • Iskar36

        Agree with this.

      • RC5000

        I never saw McCoy grilled about the incident with the bus and throwing the woman off the bus. What did he say happened?

    • TommyLawlor

      McCoy’s actions didn’t get the same kind of attention for 2 reasons. First, there wasn’t a video clip for us to watch. Seeing Riley say what he did like that made it very real for us. It wasn’t just a story.

      Second, Shady’s actions didn’t affect the locker room.

      My point isn’t to say he is better or worse than Cooper, but rather to explain the different reactions.

      I grew up with a single mom. I’ve listened to her argue with my dad over child support. Those memories are in my head forever. Not good.

      • RC5000

        Seeing a video clip is dumbed down and easy I’ll give you that – easy for media to report on and of course racism is big business.

    • RC5000

      I used to like McCoy but you are right he’s indefensible for some of his behavior . He’s not a particularly good leader because he puts stuff on other teams bulletin boards and he’s a questionable role model. I think a lot of people tuned him out on his comments about Cooper. I’m on the fence with McCoy. I think being abusive to women is millions times worst than a 3 second video.
      He has no place to talk about anyone else’s behavior although he does have a right to say what he wants . But he gives the media what they want – he loves to talk. I really saw very little follow up by the media on McCoy.
      The media glosses over his off the field behavior because he talks to them (because he likes to talk) . So much of this is media driven. They decide and it’s all based on how many people they can rile up and how long they can milk it.
      As Avant said, everyone wants to throw stones at him including the media. Although Avant had his own meltdown last year about the fans, he’s the guy I will listen to the most.

  • Iskar36

    This is a slight tangent, but one thing this situation made me think of is how different the reaction has been to this as compared to the reaction when a player uses a gay slur (DeSean Jackson for example a year or so ago). As a society, we clearly have a much stronger reaction to what Cooper said than to what Jackson said. I’m not sure that’s necessarily wrong for people to react differently to those comments, but to me, I find both to be idiotic and I hope that one day we get to a point where both comments are viewed to be equally bigoted.

    • Corry

      I think we as a society are programmed to react to that word in particular more than others. I am Korean American and have had many, many, many racial slurs thrown my way throughout my life and rarely does anyone even raise an eyebrow to those words. Were I to respond with the way Cooper did, all conversation would come to a screeching halt.

      All forms of bigotry is dumb. And there are derogatory words for every classification of human you can think of, but for some reason, that one word makes everyone stop and stare. Granted, I’m not saying that it shouldn’t cause a stir, it just fascinates (and horrifies) me that we seem to rate that word above the others when really, any time any type of slur, whether for race, religion, or sexual orientation, should equally offend.

      • Iskar36

        Exactly. I don’t think there is anything wrong with having a strong reaction to the N-word. I think the reaction is very appropriate in fact. I just find the relative… maybe the word I am looking for is “acceptance”… of other bigoted remarks to be a shame.

        I should point out as well, that I’m not really a strong “PC” supporter either. I think often times we overreact with certain PC views, but I think there is a difference between certain aspects of political correctness and racism/discrimination and things such as ethnic slurs, gay slurs, racist remarks, etc. should not be tolerated.

      • TommyLawlor

        Interesting perspective, Corry.

        I think the x-factor here is the systematic abuse of black people from what…1650-1965 or so. That is unlike anything any other group has gone through in America and so that word is more powerful and destructive.

        But I agree with your general logic. We really shouldn’t tolerate any demeaning speech. I think we’re headed in the right direction, but we aren’t going to get where we need to be any time soon. This is a generational fix.

  • Dasdip

    Vince Young called this team “The Dream Team,” and it was seen as bulletin board material for other teams for the entire season. We still talk about it. We didn’t forget about it or get over it. We stewed. Young, who seemed unqualified to say anything, lavished unrealistic praise upon his team. He said something dumb.

    Riley Cooper, who is also relatively a nobody in the grand scheme of the Eagles’ future, threatened to “fight every [really bad word] in here, bro.” This is beyond dumb; it’s hurtful. It’s wrong. And it hurts the team — not just internally, but when it comes to facing the opposition.

    This is bulletin board material all season. It doesn’t even have to go on the bulletin board; it’s known.

    While we can agree that Marcus Vick’s reaction to the incident was out of bounds (though no more out of bounds or impulsive or hurtful than Cooper’s initial comments), we’re kidding ourselves if we think that he was the only person related to football who felt that way. The opposing teams’ safeties will be aware of what he said, and they will let him know, loud and clear, that they heard him.

    Will the opposing teams forgive and forget (or “get over it” as some suggest)? I don’t think so.

    This season will be incredibly difficult for Cooper — not just mentally but physically. He will be tested early and often if he does make it out of camp.

    Marcus Vick doesn’t have to pay anyone a measly $1,000 for something that they would do for free. Hitting people is a part of the game, and Cooper will be hit hard and often. I do believe that the footsteps of opposing safeties and corners are coming for Cooper.

    He’s a target.

    So, yeah, I miss “The Dream Team.”

    • BC1968

      What does Marcus do for a living other than tweet? $1000 is probably 899 more than he has. The safetie/linebakcer thing about going to take him out over the middle is overrated. Doing something stupid nowadays will get you fined, suspended, bad stuff. You also stand a real chance of screwing up big time if you’re looking to deck one guy.and keep focusing on that.

    • Flyin

      Fill in the blank after he gets crushed… defense response “How do like that ——?

    • A_T_G

      Wait, I thought Marcus’ twitter account was hacked… again and it wasn’t him that said that stuff… again?

    • TommyLawlor

      Riley will take some abuse this year. He deserves it.

  • BC1968

    Can’t believe it. Next Friday we are going to have Eagles football! Then one quarter of football and I’ll be bored again until September.

    • BlindChow

      I’m never bored during Eagles preseason games. I like being able to see all the players I’ve been reading about, even if they’re probably not going to make the team.

      Every other team’s preseason games, though…zzzzzzzzzz

  • CampDracula

    I think the Eagles organization and Chip Kelly need to be really careful that they don’t come across as a bunch of white dudes cosigning this or minimizing it in any way. And to make sure they keep the trust of African American Eagles, I think they need to follow their lead on this.

    Also, I hope African Americans everywhere understand that most white folks don’t talk like this. Not ever. No matter how many drinks. (Although we all might be better off staying away from Kenny Chesney fans).

    • Flyin

      Good news… Tommy is not.
      I personally felt Chip came across in his pc as good as can be expected. To me… he handled it extremely well.

    • TommyLawlor

      If the Eagles since that a lot of players want Cooper gone, they’ll make a move. The organization is going to react to the guys in the locker room, since they know Cooper better than anyone involved.

      • CampDracula

        And that’s exactly what they should do.

    • A_T_G

      To me, I think they handled it extremely well. I got the impression they were more concerned with letting a member of their organization know that what he did was wrong than with focusing on “What will people want us to do?” or “How will this make us look?”

      If you claim your organization is like a family, you try to help a family member that screwed up. If you find out that he didn’t just screw up, but that his beliefs are contrary to the family’s, then you disown him.

    • RC5000

      A lot of people do unfortunately but most of the time nothing is meant by it.

  • BobSmith77

    Sadly I think Cooper is done here one way or another after this year. If the Eagles release him now, it just continues to give energy to the voracious whores that are national media.

    Instead, the Eagles release him after this season because I don’t think Cooper is good enough or talented-enough to make it a tough calculation. Non-story at that point.

  • Crazymike663

    Doe’s this mean Vick wins the QB spot ?? It would be like voting for Obama !! We all see how that turned out…….

    • TommyLawlor

      I’ll leave this alone for now, but please don’t discuss politics here. Very divisive subject. Our goal is to have fun talking/arguing about the Eagles.

      • bentheimmigrant

        Looks like it only got worse. :-/

  • P_P_K

    The next time some national sportscaster feels the need to do something on stupid Eagles fans and how they boo Santa Clause, I hope they first peek at this thread on this blog. The overwhelming majority of you guys are demonstrating that many of us in Eagles Nation try our best to be considerate, respectful human beings. It’s coming through loud and clear in your comments. Thanks.

    • TommyLawlor

      Lots of good comments. Kudos.

      • the midatlantic

        Btw- Tommy, I understand you censoring my comment above (I left the word in to drive home the point in a shocking manner–no arguments here for taking it out), but thanks for not deleting the entire comment. As usual, you raise the standard of conversation. Kudos.

        • TommyLawlor

          I read and re-read your comment. I strongly considered leaving it alone, but after reading Joe’s comments earlier about the effect of the word, I decided to edit it even though you hadn’t used it in a malicious way.

          Thanks for understanding.

          I hate to censor anyone, but I’m trying to navigate some tricky waters here.

  • goeagles55

    A key to earning acceptance and forgiveness will be whether he is normally a nice guy. If most of his teammates kind of thought he was an ass before this, everything negative he does or has done will be magnified by this and most of them won’t get over it. If most of the team thinks of him as a friendly guy, it will be easier to see this as a one time moment of idiocy and forgive him.

    If a sizable portion of the team isn’t able to forgive him, they’ll need to cut him, for the sake of the team.

    • TommyLawlor

      The players reaction will tell us a lot about what they thought of Riley from 2010-last Tuesday. For his sake, he better hope he was well-liked.

      • RC5000

        Yeah hopefully the character of the locker room is good if he isn’t a jerk although Avant likes him a lot.

  • sprawl

    I have some trust in how the Eagles handle this as an organization in the long term. Right now they don’t even know if he will be on the roster and they have a lot of work to do on the field, but the Eagles do have some of the strongest community outreach programs in the NFL and Riley Cooper’s teammates are heavily invested in some of these programs.

    This may just be a dumb thing you say if you were raised in a certain environment and we should forgive him… but not yet. Again, with the madhouse level of activity right now just getting the team ready to go it makes things tough, but if he were to start putting in time with kids of all races in detention centers through Mike Vick’s Team Freedom Outreach or any of the multitudes of worthy causes that I’m sure the team’s community organizer folks work with there’s a chance he learns something and can show some growth. Building playgrounds is great and participation in programs like Habitat for Humanity is vital but there are ways to go beyond that and actually develop personal relationships with kids and adults who can teach him a thing or two about what happens when you make mistakes without having the kind of head-start or good fortune a professional NFL player might have had up until that point.

    One member of this team was deeply involved in dog fighting. Now he is far from that past.

    Riley Cooper might have been a racist this past June but he doesn’t have to be one next June.

  • ian_no_2

    As for Riley’s comments.. people on the receiving end of racism can sense the people’s intentions and degrees of offense because they’ve been through it. He was drunk and angry at a security guard, which is different from John Rocker sitting down for an interview and expounding his views. When he says he never said it before, I don’t know if I believe it as the taboo of the word works differently for black hip hop artists and white boys in different social circles, but if a black person said the same thing in the same situation no one would think twice about it. The Eagles org has a good record with black coaches and QBs, Lurie hiring Rhodes first and taking a chance on Vick who was universally hated when they signed him.

    When Cooper was drafted I didn’t know what to make of him. They were loading up on mid round prospects that other teams had passed on (it turns out for good reasons), in his case after he had been showcased in Gainesville (this is another great moment for Florida education). He had a good preseason as a rookie. After that, he did practically nothing, didn’t seem to be getting consistently open, and was playing the ball poorly in key situations which makes a big WR sort of useless. He made some good plays here and there including last year. But I always thought he was being handed a roster spot when there were quality UDFAs like Gerald Jones or vets like Sinorice Moss that had a better chance of being developed into potential starters or injury replacements.

    Now the marketing allure of him and the long hair are gone, and he has to show that what he can contribute to the team outweighs how his comment affects team chemistry and fan opinion, as well as playing for a coach that didn’t draft him. From a football standpoint I like that. Even though his comments, as I said, are nowhere near John Rocker’s, the Braves were in a tougher spot because Rocker was a ace reliever they counted on. Even Riley’s advocates call him a #4 WR. I think if you use a roster spot on a tall situational WR, he has to have elite ball skills, and he was never someone I thought could be a quality #2 receiver. I would like to see them take a shot on Damaris Johnson and Shepard, and they have some big guys in camp that Kelly way want for red zone, blocking, and third down situations.

  • Ashley Leask

    Serious question: Is LeSean McCoy a total hypocrite? He is the last person who should be holding Riley Cooper to account over an outburst of stupidity. In a lot of ways his Twitter outburst might have been worse.

    It was incredibly sexist and deliberately aimed at humiliating the mother of his son. If there’s any substance to the “deadbeat dad” side of that, then he’s guilty of much worse than Cooper.

    And to be clear, Cooper’s conduct was completely unacceptable. I just find it surprising that McCoy sees fit to pass judgement.

    • RC5000

      Vick, Jackson, McCoy all less than stellar individuals. Some people think “they’re good” so they can do whatever they want.

      • Anthony Hart

        What has DeSean done to make him a bad person? People always say he’s low character but outside of a speeding ticket what public trouble has he caused? Don’t worry, I’ll wait.

        • RC5000

          He made slurs against homosexuals on Sirius radio. He said he did not give it his all last year. He also has behaved badly in interviews and walked out in the middle of them. He quit doing a weekly part of the old DNL show because of the media pressure. The list goes on and on with Desean.

  • miked718

    The thing is, no matter how many times he apologizes or how many teammates come out in support of him, that video is going to live to live forever. One click and there he goes again yelling the N word and acting like a racist, ignorant fool. It’s like he continues to say it and every fan and opposing player/coach just has to click once to renew the hate.

    Yesterday morning on the Hot97 morning show in NYC (hip-hop station) a host (white if that matters) was just trashing the eagles as a an organization. Saying they allow this type of racism, tying it into Philly fans throwing up on little girls (and other philly fan clichés) and saying they don’t even deserve the Eagle name and should be called the pigeons because they’re disgusting, filthy pieces of trash. My blood was boiling (I have to hear a lot of this from Giants fans regularly) but he was right. What kind of organization would let this racist receiver stay on the team? It paints the entire team in a bad light. The black teammates, the coaches and Lurie as condoning it. This is going to haunt the Eagles all year, every where they go, especially NY and DC.

    The video is the problem, it will never go away and so this is going to be as fresh as it is today all season. And just imagine if the Eagles are successful, this will be a national talking point for a long time. Shady didn’t get videotaped pushing a woman out of the bus. Vick didn’t get videotaped killing dogs (he would have never played in the league again). The Eagles have been a progressive organization like Tommy said. The video is why the Eagles should cut him today and move on. It’s never going to fade away.

    • RC5000

      It will fade away until the next media drama and way for the media to make money. If you want to keep watching the Cooper scandal video, have at it.

      • miked718

        I just don’t think this one is going to go away. I haven’t even seen the video but I know what angry white racist dudes look like.

        • RC5000

          It will go away people aren’t going to talk about this forever and they aren’t going to keep clicking on the video forever like you claimed. If Cooper isn’t kicked off the team and out of the NFL, it won’t completely go away but a lot of it will.
          Racism actually has a pretty short shelf life eventually. I’m not saying it will be soon (unless Cooper is shown the door). But People get sick of it. Even the TEAM even IF Cooper is kept around will get sick of talking about it eventually and start telling the media the same thing over and over.

        • RC5000

          Also next week is the first preseason game which will be more like a regular season game with the new coach and all the new things. Cooper of course will be discussed some but there will be a ton of things to talk about.

  • barneygoogle

    I have to say that Tommy, you have done a fine job with this issue. Classy and intelligent. I do respectfully disagree. This is a media-created hysteria. (Aaron Hernandez–on the other hand, well, he’s not so bad.)

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