Late Night Eagles Talk

Posted: October 6th, 2013 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 162 Comments »

The Eagles are 2-3 and tied with Dallas for the top spot in the NFC East. The Eagles are 2-0 in the division so they’re technically the top team.

Is this a good thing?

Some of you are so focused on finding a QB that you feel winning is the wrong thing to do. I understand the mentality, but there are no guarantees that losing games will get the Eagles the QB we need. Do you want Sam Bradford or Jamarcus Russell? What if you have the #3 pick and the only elite QB goes #1 or #2?

I don’t believe in losing for the sake of hoping to find Mr. Right. If we’re talking about a game or two at the end of the year, okay. I can live with that. We’re barely into October. I think it is important to teach the team how to compete, how to play and how to win.

Clearly I agree with everyone that the Eagles would love a franchise QB. Foles or Barkley could be the answer, but we’ve seen nothing from them that makes you think it is highly likely they are the kind of guys you build a franchise around.

I’ll write a full post on college QBs soon. I’ve been watching them and trying to get an idea who will be a 1st rounder and who fits the Chip Kelly offense. This looks like a good QB class. Not all will go in the Top 10.

For now I think Kelly is smart to focus on winning. Deal with the QB situation starting in the offseason. You can’t do anything about it now.

I don’t know if the Eagles are going to have a winning season or compete for a playoff spot, but there would be value in that. Winning can be a habit if it is done methodically. We’ve seen teams over the years that caught lightning in a bottle. Remember the 2007 Browns? Bad team that had one good season. That was an anomaly. I wonder if the Skins are going to fall into this category.

Chip Kelly is a methodical coach. I think any success the Eagles have will be kept in the right context. Failure too.

While it was fun to see the team win, let’s remember that this team only beat the 0-5 Giants. A sloppy performance like today against many other teams would have resulted in a loss. We don’t know what to make of this Eagles team.

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Speaking of the QB situation in Philly…

We’ll see, but this does make sense. Hamstring injuries are tricky. Time is the best healer.

And I would love to see Foles get a start or two. The more we see him play, the more we’ll know about whether he can be the guy or not. A couple of games won’t provide a definitive answer, but they can give some good hints.

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The Cowboys-Broncos game today was great. I hate Dallas as much as anyone, but that was fun to watch. Tony Romo was terrific for most of the game, but he made one critical error that sealed the game.

I love the Eagles, but also just love NFL football. That was as good a game as you can have. It was fun to see players on both teams make plays.

It will be interesting to see how Dallas responds to that loss. They played a terrific game in a lot of ways, but getting the 48-41 lead and then losing is brutally hard. Some teams fall apart after that. Others build off the loss and get better.

The Boys host the Skins next Monday. Huge game for both teams.

Go Skins!!!

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By my math, the Eagles are up to 30th in the NFL in scoring D. Watch out ’85 Bears.

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According to PFT, Josh Freeman will sign with the Vikings.

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Maybe my favorite moment from today was the TD to DeSean. He has 26 career TD catches, but only a handful have come in the Red Zone. If he can start to get some looks in the RZ, that will help the offense improve in that area. Get the ball to your best players.


162 Comments on “Late Night Eagles Talk”

  1. 1 mksp said at 11:51 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Not sold on Foles yet. But he had some really nice moments and played with a ton of poise for a guy who came in to the game as a back up. Made some “franchise QB” throws (the two TDs, to start). Would like to see him get a chance against a good defense at TB.

  2. 2 Nah__Roots said at 8:33 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I thought one of his best throws was the last one on the drive before the half. That was a big-boy throw and secured the 3 pts.

  3. 3 fran35 said at 11:58 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    There are so many times that Vick does something on the field (good) and I say “that’s what he can do that Foles can’t”. It takes a game like today to realize that there is a lot of stuff that Vicks game is lacking. The route anticipations and timing is stuff that he does not do well.

    However, the running and broken play stuff is awesome when it works. Vick has so much God given talent, it’s truly a shame he has never been able to put it together.

  4. 4 TheRogerPodacter said at 9:30 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    i hear ya. Vick makes some plays every week and i say to myself that there is no way that Foles could/would make that throw.
    but Foles surprised me this week. he made a number of throws this week and i found myself saying the same thing – there is no way Vick would have made that throw in the off chance that he even attempted it.

  5. 5 mksp said at 11:59 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Also, Vick to Houston makes a ton of sense. Texans in a “win now” mode, have no QB. Respective FOs can sell it to Vick as a chance to play for a contender. Eagles get to see what they have in Foles. Sink or swim, and potentially get a franchise QB in the draft if they sink. Could see HOU sending a 2nd or 3rd.

  6. 6 TommyLawlor said at 12:10 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I wonder if the Texans make a move. Great team…except at QB.

  7. 7 Andy124 said at 12:53 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    He’s a heckuva lot better than Vick.

  8. 8 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 1:09 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    4 pick sixes in 4 games.

    Yeah. He’s AWESOME.

  9. 9 phillychuck said at 11:24 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Yeah, he’s only played 4 games in his career, apparently.

  10. 10 xeynon said at 2:20 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I think Vick and Schaub are on about the same level. Vick is more explosive, Schaub is more consistent. You’re not winning it all with either of them though.

  11. 11 Enslaved Meth Cook said at 6:21 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Nah vick would fit the team well. would improve an already great running game and hed have a couple big WRs that can handle the lasers he throws.. its a good fit

  12. 12 SteveH said at 1:52 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    If they think Vick is an upgrade its a logical landing spot… I’d be curious what a team would give up for Vick.

  13. 13 planetx1971 said at 9:18 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    Tommy, I have no problem with your choice of a favorite play, the TD to DeSean was a beaut. But my favorite had to be that RIDONCULOUS pick by Boykin. That took super human athleticism. I was speechless. Also, I have to say that I have really underestimated Bradley Fletcher. Is it just me or did he have some GORGEOUS. P.B.U.’s??

  14. 14 Steag209 said at 12:11 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    If that happens, lulz. That would mean Vick going to Houston to start in front of Schaub….again

  15. 15 mksp said at 12:12 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Ha! Didn’t even consider that angle. Now I really want it to happen.

  16. 16 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 12:42 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Exactly how much more does one need to “see” from Foles?

    I mean…really. lol/smh

  17. 17 Iskar36 said at 12:44 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    So are you sticking with the Vick potential over seeing anything more from our second year player, Foles?

  18. 18 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 1:09 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I’m sticking with Vick ’cause he won the job.

    Not really any more complicated than that.

  19. 19 Andy124 said at 12:56 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I know right. After like, what, 9 games, the book is written on Foles. Vick on the other hand… we still don’t know how good he could be if we just give him a little more time.

  20. 20 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 1:09 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Vick won the job.

    Some of you all see to have forgotten that.

  21. 21 Jerry Goldstein said at 9:59 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Poor Vick fan. How long will you keep your Fathead up after Vick is gone?

  22. 22 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 12:26 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    Right. ‘Cause I support he QB know…won the QB job.

  23. 23 P_P_K said at 11:15 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I’m glad you wrote this so I don’t have to. Seems so obvious.

  24. 24 Enslaved Meth Cook said at 6:22 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    he has played in what 8 games?? and as a whole so far he is one of the best young QBs all time, take out luck, cam and RG3 he might be the best. lol

  25. 25 aub32 said at 12:59 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    all time? whoa whoa whoa. Big Ben? Flacco? Ryan? They were winning games out of the gate. Also, You’re for Tannehill and Wilson. Pump your breaks.

  26. 26 Enslaved Meth Cook said at 7:11 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    not talking about WINS im talking stats. google it bro

  27. 27 Jerry Goldstein said at 9:59 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I think you saw all you needed to see of him when you saw his skin color.

  28. 28 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 5:01 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    Yeah. That’s it. Not the mediocre play. Right…

  29. 29 Enslaved Meth Cook said at 6:18 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Vick on the texans would be good for both. Vick gets some big WRs a good TE a great running game, and a very good defense.

  30. 30 TheRogerPodacter said at 9:28 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    wasnt shaub behind vick in atlanta before he went to houston?
    that would be somewhat strange to see him go to houston now to replace shaub.

    edit: not saying i disagree with you on anything you mentioned, just thinking it would make for an interesting story.

  31. 31 ohitsdom said at 11:58 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I don’t see any team trading for Vick and giving up anything higher than a 5th, he’s an older QB on a one year deal.

  32. 32 fran35 said at 12:27 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    I could see this happening when I stop and think about it. However, the more likely prospect is that Foles gets traded. It’s scary to think about because I think the kid could be good, but Vick has very limited trade value and Foles has more. If Chip doesn’t think the kid is good for his offense, we could ship him out for a third/fourth rounder. Foles in Houston would make be a perfect fit. He would light it up and I am sure make Eagles fans sick for years to come. With the way the Eagles have been doing stuff lately, this is a strong possibility. I think we would take a ham sandwich for Vinny Curry or Brandon Graham at this point. Its so sad to see us having a fire sale, but it will be coming.

  33. 33 zbone95 said at 12:02 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    D-jax catching that fade route was the weirdest thing I have ever seen. I didn’t even know that he could even do that with him being so short. One thing that frustrated me about Vick is he kept ignoring check downs in the flat who were wide open and took risks deep. That d-jax catch that went right between the defenders hands was really lucky it wasn’t picked. That could’ve changed the whole dynamic of the game. Foles trusts what he sees and let’s the skill players do their things. Im actually happy Foles will get one more start or two to see what he got. Tampa bay has a decent defense with Revis and co so we will see. But I’m trying to keep my expectations low because this Giants team was terrible all season. It would have been sad if we had lost.

  34. 34 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 12:41 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Yeah. I don’t think you try that with Revis.

  35. 35 shah8 said at 1:36 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Really, I’d rather play foles against Dallas, if they were out of conference. Tampa Bay is a very poor matchup for Foles, so I’m nervous about a game I think we should win. We’re going to be even more dependent on Schiano being Schiano, and the Glennon Factor.

  36. 36 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 1:56 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Yeah…this isn’t the Tampa D of last year. Their offense isn’t great, but their defense is pretty legit. I worry with Foles in our run game is nullified and that means we have to rely not only on his arm BUT our receivers consistently getting open and getting separation.

    That doesn’t make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

  37. 37 Enslaved Meth Cook said at 6:25 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    the run game is never nullified with shady back there, just gotta get creative and play better.

  38. 38 BirdGang said at 12:28 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    Thank you for saying that man…because Vick is horrible at that. I saw shady running wide open in the flat numerous times and Vick failed to get him the ball. But with that said, I am still taking Vick over Foles right now. The Defense has so much to account for when he is playing which helps Shady a lot.

  39. 39 SteveH said at 12:05 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Djax on the fade I think could work on the long side of the field, give him a chance to run under it with speed rather than go over a CB with strength. I’d like to see more of this.

  40. 40 ztom6 said at 7:29 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    it wasn’t just a fade it was fake slant into a fade/corner. If DJax sells the slant right and the QB throws the ball before he makes his move then its very hard for the DB to recover to make the play.

  41. 41 Iskar36 said at 12:15 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    The thing I liked most about the DJax redzone TD was that it wasn’t under any kind of weird circumstances. It wasn’t a play with the QB scrambling and then DJax finding an open spot after the play gets broken. Or a trick/gimmicky play like an end around or anything like that. It was a designed play targeting one of our best players. I’m not sure DJax will regularly win on goal line fade routes, but plays designed where he can go one on one against a CB for a quick, one-read throw from the QB, I think is a repeatable play.

  42. 42 TommyLawlor said at 12:26 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Right. Designed play that was well-executed. Those are the kind of RZ scores we’ve seen very few of by DeSean.

  43. 43 P_P_K said at 9:11 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Unfortunately, we’ve seen very few by any of our guys.

  44. 44 BlindChow said at 2:15 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I wonder if this was what that one Foles play in the San Diego game was supposed to look like.

  45. 45 shah8 said at 2:43 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    good point

  46. 46 Anders said at 6:23 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Most likely. Problem was the CB in the Chargers game got Jackson jammed.

  47. 47 BlindChow said at 12:43 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    Actually, I wonder now… In one of the Birds 24/7 pieces, Jackson mentions they came up with the idea after seeing Giants players bite hard on the inside slant at the goal line (understandable, seeing how often the Giants use those slants on offense). So it may have been a specific play cooked up for this game.

    And if that’s the case, even more impressive for these Eagles coaches and players. I want to see that kind of foresight and scheming.

  48. 48 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 12:21 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Foles is NOT the guy. He couldn’t beat out the guy that so many on this board love to hate. He had his chance. He failed. It’s that simple.

    The QB of the future isn’t on the roster. Barring a playoff berth Vick is a one year rental. Luckily the draft is deep with QBs so it should be good pickings when it is time for us to do so.

  49. 49 TommyLawlor said at 12:25 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Foles lost the preseason battle, but that hardly means he can’t be the guy.

  50. 50 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 12:27 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    No. It means he can’t be the guy.

  51. 51 the midatlantic said at 12:32 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Well that settles it!

  52. 52 Mitchell said at 12:39 AM on October 7th, 2013:


  53. 53 jimmyrustler said at 1:31 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Some real sound logic there, pal. I guess no other great QBs sat behind other QBs they lost out to in training camp…

    Not saying Foles is the next Aaron Rodgers or Steve Young, clearly not, but he’s never really been in a spot where he was a clear starter working with all the ones. Closest he got was last season with Maclin, Bryce, and 2/5ths of an O-Line.

    Chip has already come out and said that it’s still Vick’s job when he comes back, so I don’t even know what all the fuss is about. But don’t put so much stock in an opinion that’s untested yet.

  54. 54 shah8 said at 1:39 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    So, the preseason wasn’t enough for you?

  55. 55 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 1:42 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I guess not.

    Folk are acting like Foles wasn’t in a QB comp were he got equal reps with the Ones…and still lost.

    I don’t get it. Foles couldn’t beat the guy so many on here loathe YET folk are still talking about him like he’s a viable starter. He isn’t.

    After this year it’s time to draft a QB. Unless Barkley shows something, we don’t have our future starter on the roster.

  56. 56 jimmyrustler said at 1:53 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I don’t understand all the pessimism. Foles is nowhere near a superstar Peyton, Drew Brees-level, but the same can be said of Vick.

    I have not once said Foles is the messiah, just give the kid a shot and see what he can do. If you think reps in training camp and preseason games mean that Foles is automatically bad, then I’m sorry, I can’t say anything to sway you. The fact that Foles was even in the competition in the first place means that Chip saw something in him, something that obviously didn’t come out, or he would have won. But he didn’t. I don’t see how much clearer I can admit that you are right that Foles lost the competition. In your opinion, does losing to Mike Vick automatically mean you can’t play QB?

    And as bad as our defense is, are you sure QB is our biggest need? You may be right that the future QB isn’t here, but what do we need to do to get him in your eyes? Tank to get Bridgewater? Did you read Tommy’s post above? I agree with him. Do we ransom our 1st rounders Skins-style? That’d be even worse…

    I wish I could understand the point you’re trying to make. Honestly, what do you think we do?

  57. 57 shah8 said at 2:05 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I can see Foles’ tools. They’re not good.

    I can remember the game against the Bengals, just as much as I can remember Ponder’s game against New Orleans his rookie year. If Foles doesn’t have sprung receivers, he’s not really capable of challenging a good pass defense. He does a good job of maximizing what talent he does have, but he’s too slow, and his arm is on the weak side. That’s why he was a third rounder. And no, Chip will never see Foles as his guy. That lurch for Barkley was one big sign. Of course, unfortunately for us, Barkley simply doesn’t have an NFL arm, he has one more like Tuel’s.

  58. 58 SteveH said at 2:35 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I’m uncertain what you mean by “sprung” receivers.

  59. 59 shah8 said at 2:46 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    By that I mean that Foles need more help from scheme and specific play design, like those wide receiver screens that Alex Smith killed us on. If Foles has to make reads and attempt standard NFL windows, good things aren’t that likely to happen.

  60. 60 Enslaved Meth Cook said at 6:40 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Vick needs that help too, he just ignores it or renders it useless.

    If foles has to make reads and attempt standard NFL windows we are in good shape because he can excel at just that!

  61. 61 ztom6 said at 7:40 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    what game were you watching yesterday?

  62. 62 Stephen Stempo said at 7:58 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    You’re so right Michael “Jesus Christ” Vick Needs no help from coaching or play design! Mostly because he ignores them anyway and only throws to open receivers, never leading them, never showing touch, never using timing patterns. Just rifling it and hoping he has enough arm to get it there fast enough. Good defenses will always shut Vick down because he doesn’t trust or use scheme.

    You WILL respond to this with something about Foles which is stupid because I’m not arguing for Foles, I don’t care I do know he’s not Michael Vick. Which at this point is good enough for me.

  63. 63 bill said at 8:29 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Kinda similar to how Vick needs a receiver to being running away from coverage before he *decides* to throw to him, let alone actually throw to him? I’m with you as far as Foles – I feel pretty confident that right now, this season, he’s no more than a good back-up. He has a (slight) chance, with a tremendous offseason of hard work to be more, but I don’t think him playing right now is relevant to that chance. But I’m even more convinced that Vick is only slightly better as a total package, and he’s an aging veteran, who realistically has no chance of fixing the gaping holes in his game. When Foles can come in and be that much better of a passer in the second half of the same game, that’s a pretty damning indictment of where Vick is as a passer at this point in his career.

  64. 64 fran35 said at 12:38 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    Oh, so you think that Foles can’t throw a guy open? But Vick can? I guarantee you that 10 out of 10 times Vick doesnt throw that fade to DJax. Or the sideline route. Give it a rest, no one is saying that Foles is our franchise. He has played 8 games and looks like he could develop. You can’t admit that? Honestly? Foles has his warts, much as Vick does. However, Vick is 33 and Foles is a second year pro. Do you want to waste a whole year watching Vick do the same things he has done his whole career? He is mediocre, with flashes of brilliance and huge holes in his game. Those holes have not changed. Are you betting they will?

  65. 65 BlindChow said at 12:50 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    Vick would throw that fade, but he’d just wait until he made sure DJax was nice and open first.

  66. 66 Enslaved Meth Cook said at 6:38 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    when they come out of their breaks they yell …”boing”…. so then foles knows to throw it

  67. 67 Enslaved Meth Cook said at 6:35 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    if he chose barkley, who has a weaker arm then foles, then how is that a big sign? you dont have to reply your entire rant has been rendered moot.


    PS. Tell walter white todds uncle jack has me and is forcing me to cook his baby blue! Thank you! hurry up Yo!!

  68. 68 ztom6 said at 7:39 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Don’t make the mistake of writing off a second year player just because there are some deficiencies in his game. Foles is already a noticeably better player than last year and may still have room to grow. It’s worth finding out.

  69. 69 Enslaved Meth Cook said at 6:32 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Foles could be our future starter. suck on that for awhile.

  70. 70 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 8:27 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Nope. Not going to happen.

  71. 71 Enslaved Meth Cook said at 7:12 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    Its already happening. Ha Ha

  72. 72 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 8:41 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    Only Eagles fans think the backup playing for the starter means anything other than the backup is playing for the starter.

  73. 73 Enslaved Meth Cook said at 8:18 AM on October 8th, 2013:

    yeah not really doe

  74. 74 jimmyrustler said at 1:45 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Yes, Nick Foles lost to Vick for the starting job, I’m admitting it. No one’s denying it.

    Still, my point about him getting the never go-ahead to be starter is valid, because he didn’t. He lost the job. And we’ll see how he responds to that if he gets a chance to start in Vick’s “absence”. He’s getting the chance he didn’t earn, and we’ll see what he does with the car keys. If he flops in however many games he plays, I will concede the point.

    I still don’t see the point in just flat-out denying that he can be a starter without seeing him as an ACTUAL starter. Preseason and Regular season are two entirely different beasts.

    I wonder if this is how some GB fans felt about Rodgers as he sat behind Favre for three seasons…

  75. 75 Stephen Stempo said at 7:53 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Seriously dude what is your relation to Mike Vick? Cousin? uncle? Childhood friend? I don’t get it.

  76. 76 SteveH said at 1:49 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Can he be the guy ahead or behind the guy though? Hmmm? Where exactly is he allowed to stand in the guy hierarchy?

  77. 77 Mac said at 1:53 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Where is the guy? I’ve seen him on twitter, but haven’t seen any posts on here from him lately. I think we need his expertise in this area of being the guy.

  78. 78 SteveH said at 2:33 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    If there’s a guy I trust about being the guy its the guy.

  79. 79 the guy said at 6:27 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    I try to stick with what I know.

  80. 80 the guy said at 6:27 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    Official ruling: He could be the guy. I just wouldn’t count on it.

  81. 81 BlindChow said at 2:14 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Nope, apparently once you name a starter, you can never switch, even if his inability to complete a pass in the red zone is costing the team points.

  82. 82 Brendan Ekstrom said at 12:39 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    kurt warner.

  83. 83 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 12:40 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Um…Foles isn’t Kurt Warner.

  84. 84 Brendan Ekstrom said at 12:54 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I’m not saying he is as good as Warner or will have the same success. My point is no one knows what Foles is yet. Players have up and down years. They click differently with different coaches and different schemes. Right now all we know about Foles is that he looked okay behind a terrible O-line and he looked okay learning a completely new offensive scheme in the preseason.
    No one knew what Kurt Warner was for the first 4 or so years of his career. Warner went undrafted in 1994 and didn’t start an NFL game until 1999 when he immediately went wild on the rest of the league.
    Nick Foles is in his second year in the NFL. We just don’t have enough to make a judgement on him yet.
    I don’t expect greatness out of him but it would be silly of me to say “I know” anything about what he could be. It’s up to him to write his own story.

  85. 85 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 1:08 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I’m sorry. I’m not on the let’s “see” wagon. We’ve “seen” and it’s mediocre at best. He’s a great backup. That’s just what he is.

  86. 86 Jerry Goldstein said at 10:03 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Looking forward to never having to read your shitty opinions after Vick is gone.

  87. 87 Kristopher Cebula said at 10:45 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Foles was better than mediocre this preseason. he played well, vick just played better. Unfortunately, Vick’s game is a rollercoaster ride. Sometimes he is deadly and can pick a defense apart. Other time’s he is “mediocre at best” or just downright poor. If Foles can play well consistently, he may be a better option

  88. 88 Enslaved Meth Cook said at 6:30 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Little snippets from preseason games dont tell the whole story… vick played his 1st couple of snippets great but they were snippets/ a couple quarters worth of game action.and foles did well in his too… vick won but foles didnt lose. If you judge by TD scoring Drives Foles won. And he had less drives. lol

  89. 89 Stephen Stempo said at 7:50 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Another of Mike Vicks family members posting here.

  90. 90 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 8:27 AM on October 7th, 2013:


    Because I said Foles is not the future starter and Vick won’t be here next year so we need to draft a QB?

  91. 91 BC1968 said at 11:24 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Throw it right back. Stephen must be another Foles ‘ family member. Wow an opinionsomehow makes you a family member, how dumb

  92. 92 PeterAkkies said at 12:38 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    It’s interesting to think of Chip Kelly in “win now” mode. It’s true that he’s trying to win games, but he also chose to transfer to a 3-4 defense now, while I think that we could have had a better defense with a 4-3, which might have translated into an extra win or two. And Chip also released a number of veterans in the offseason, trying to go with some younger guys. It seems to me that within those parameters he’s trying to win as many games as he can, which he should be.

  93. 93 GvilleEagleFan said at 1:28 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    In non-QB related matters, what happened to the WR screen game? I remember seeing quite a bit of the double stack formation in the preseason and in the opener, but rarely since then. I think there’s a lot to be said for having it as the second “read” on a Foles read-option play that could make the DE have to pause in order to obstruct the throwing lane for the quick screen. Seems like the perfect place to put Damaris in order to get him some reps on offense, or a way to use either DJax’s speed or Ertz’s size in the red zone. Any thoughts Tommy?

  94. 94 SteveH said at 1:56 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I can’t say for sure but I think teams have been pressing our wideouts a lot more lately, which can make it tough to run those bubble screens.

  95. 95 jimmyrustler said at 2:00 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    This. Nobody split out wide right now can beat good man coverage or the press, not even DJax. That and the turnovers are the reason we lost to KC. Broncos imitated that and had success against our receivers. It’s going to be a theme against decent to good defenses until we prove we can beat it.

    Man, I really really wish Maclin didn’t get hurt…

  96. 96 BlindChow said at 2:06 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    We beat man coverage today. Kelly called more bunch sets. Foles also hit several touch/timing passes, which are also man-coverage beaters. Putting guys in motion can be similarly effective.

    There are other kinds of WR screens that involve linemen/TE’s blocking for the screen. You see the Falcons run these a lot. These can be used even when there’s man coverage, particularly if the WR starts in motion.

  97. 97 jimmyrustler said at 2:17 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Not saying you’re wrong on the first point, but that was against the Giants, which, to this point, has a defense that’s arguably as bad as ours is. I’ll reserve firmer judgement until we see another legit defense, like TB coming up.

    As far as the second point…I got nothin’. I’m gonna take the cop-out route and say Chip knows his offense better than anyone else does, so we’ll just have to wait and see what happens.

  98. 98 shah8 said at 2:57 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    The longer Foles pass to DJax was a semi-busted coverage.

    But really, beyond that little mental burp I just had, man coverage was beat in every game. What’s gone wrong is the lack of easy throws.

  99. 99 Enslaved Meth Cook said at 6:16 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Yo, tommy any way the panthers would trade steve smith? him and desean teamed up would be fun to watch!!! That is all.

  100. 100 anon said at 7:28 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    we would be suplexing sconces at every practice.

  101. 101 Michael Winter Cho said at 1:58 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    Yeah, I’d take 57 year old SS in that tangle.

  102. 102 BlindChow said at 9:34 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Steve Smith is 57.

  103. 103 Enslaved Meth Cook said at 7:11 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    and would be an upgrade over everyone not named desean jackson

  104. 104 Anders said at 6:25 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Just a thought. If the Raiders aint sold on Pryor (only a injury to Flynn got him benched even tho Pryor played better in pre season). I gladly take him off their hands.
    Pryor has already improved a ton as a passer and seems coachable even at a young age (the anti Vick).
    He got great mobility, can air it out and seems to be able to pull the trigger.

  105. 105 Enslaved Meth Cook said at 6:42 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    There were a lot of 3rd and longs when vick was in the game. Foles comes in and we start seeing 3rd and 4s and 3rd and 3s, making it easier.

    That was just a little gem i noticed and decided to share.

  106. 106 Bob Brewer said at 7:31 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I’d like to see how Foles does when teams game plan for him. Two completely different skill sets.

    And yes, Vick put on a show against the worst defense he faced too.

  107. 107 eagleyankfan said at 9:55 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I’d like to see how Foles plays after being able to practice as the number 1 QB. Something he hasn’t done.

  108. 108 Bob Brewer said at 7:17 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I admit I am absolutely in the minority on this opinion, but with regards to the Eagles (and especially the Flyers) I’m in Ricky Bobby mode, if you’re not first, you’re last.

    Which brings me to your initial point Tommy. Not having a high draft pick is no guarantee, but the probabilities are significantly greater of finding one with a higher pick. The real problem is that teams can’t have tunnel vision and draft a QB just because one is available (Gabbert, Ponder). Teams must stay true to their evaluations.

    The Eagles need a significant upgrade in ability in many areas on this team and higher picks increase the chances of finding that talent. At least it gives the Eagles a greater choice of players.

    The Eagles aren’t wining the Super Bowl this year, and I want an Eagles Super Bowl title in the worst way. To me yesterday’s win was similar to eating candy, it was sweet but fleeting. I’ll take my chances with the slow process of rebuilding this organization and that means suckitude.

  109. 109 Chali said at 7:36 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Great Article… I’m not sold on Foles… last week we killed Celek for dropping a laser thrown pass from Vick right into his chest and today he pulls one in from Foles and Foles is the beneficiary of the fame from it. He will probably play well in a weak Tampa Bay game to only add to it. Would like to see him against a real team.

  110. 110 Stephen Stempo said at 7:59 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Are you “sold” on Vick?

  111. 111 Bob Brewer said at 8:14 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Not Chali, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

  112. 112 Stephen Stempo said at 8:22 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Oh I’m aware, but if you’re not sold on either than what’s the difference? And if you’re sold on Vick… by what standard? I mean all i Know is that when Vick plays poorly it’s not his fault and when Foles plays well it’s not his fault.

  113. 113 mksp said at 9:20 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Tampa D isn’t weak though.

  114. 114 fran35 said at 2:02 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    ditto. TB defense is stout

  115. 115 Weapon Y said at 7:48 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Tommy, I’ll agree with you that we still need to see more from Foles. I wouldn’t say there’s “nothing” about him that would make me think he could be the future franchise QB. There’s some good streaks and bad streaks in his game, just like most other QBs. I’ll concede that the sample size of his play shouldn’t lead anyone to a definitive judgment though. With that being said, would you say that his performance yesterday made you more open to him as the future franchise QB or less?

  116. 116 eagleyankfan said at 9:15 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I’m with you Weapon Y. What has Foles done to make people think he can’t win? Why do people(T-law?) think you need a “franchise” qb? How great is P. Manning? He’s a franchise QB and an amazing guy — how many SB’s did he win for the Colts? Give me a QB that can win. PERIOD. Flashy QB’s don’t win. Maybe Foles isn’t the “franchise” qb everyone wants — but I think he can be a winner. He doesn’t have to be P. Manning to win.
    Foles came in yesterday like any other back up QB(un-prepared because Vick gets most of the reps) and played well. Not great. Not draw dropping. But he performed. What more did people want from him coming into the game??????

  117. 117 Anders said at 8:36 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Something I havnt seen mentioned. Late in the 2nd quarter the only guy filmed going over to Vick after he was injured was Kurt Coleman. I also saw him been the guy peptalking the secondary after they forced an incomplete pass for on a 3rd down. Seems that if Kurt Coleman just had a little bigger or faster body that he would be the perfect safety in terms of intelligence and leadership.

  118. 118 P_P_K said at 9:06 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I noticed the same thing. I’ve always liked Kurt, he’s got game. It’s unfortunate he’s not a more gifted athlete.

  119. 119 Jerry Goldstein said at 10:48 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Love his attitude. He wants to be Brian Dawkins so bad but just can’t get there.

  120. 120 RIP Worms said at 10:59 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I see him more in the mold of Quentin Mikell. A grinder who could string together a few good years once he gets enough veteran savvy to make up for his limited athletic ability.

  121. 121 fran35 said at 2:04 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    Great point. I love thie kid. I wish he had a little more athletic ability. If Nate Allen had his heart….

  122. 122 Anders said at 8:38 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    For GEeagle:

  123. 123 eagleyankfan said at 9:16 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    egads. was there a penalty for that?

  124. 124 phillychuck said at 11:02 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Nope. BTW, how bad must Rivers have been last night/

  125. 125 anon said at 1:25 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    old rivers

  126. 126 Eric Carranza said at 1:13 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    He actually did get penalized

  127. 127 Nah__Roots said at 8:49 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Anyone else notice the gints fans cheering when Vick pulled up grabbing his hammy? If those were iggles fans it would be a national story. But alas, it has already been swept under the rug, and the media’s obscene perception of the “evil” Philly fans is preserved.

  128. 128 Crus57 said at 9:08 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Also Iggles fans are the only ones who boo. That sound we all heard during the Giants game was actually caused by the giant pigeons in new york, not the Giants fans expressing their displeasure with their team.

  129. 129 TheRogerPodacter said at 9:19 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    giants fans were booing halfway through the second quarter. amazing.

  130. 130 Tom33 said at 9:52 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    yeah – that never happens in Philly….

  131. 131 TheRogerPodacter said at 4:10 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    oh it certainly does. but we all hear about it from anyone covering the game. it happens in ny and everyone else just pretends not to hear it

  132. 132 BlindChow said at 12:39 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    I have to admit I was sympathetic when they had to sit and watch some of the crap their players were shoveling. Though I liked that they were shoveling it while playing us…

  133. 133 BlindChow said at 9:31 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    They were saying “Boo-urns.”

  134. 134 BC1968 said at 11:18 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Haha Boo-urns nice

  135. 135 since1961 said at 10:56 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I thought maybe it was “Cruuuuuuzzzz”?

  136. 136 fran35 said at 2:06 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    Along that same line, how happy were you when Djac did the salsa?? I loved it!

  137. 137 eagleyankfan said at 9:25 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I don’t believe there’s 1 savior to help this team in next years draft. Big deal — we get a QB. Unless he can play safety too. We need a great draft and an excellent free agent signings.

  138. 138 eagleyankfan said at 9:35 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Anybody count how many times the team tried to run to the outside where it never worked? — but they kept trying. That was my only complaint about this game. That play was called too many times.

  139. 139 BlindChow said at 12:48 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    Yeah, they need a wider stable of run plays they can use if the standard ones aren’t working. Reminds me of the Lions game last year, where they kept calling ineffectual sweep plays over and over, when the team they were playing ran the WIDE NINE.

  140. 140 CrackSammich said at 10:04 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    They call us Negadelphians, but Romo throws for 506 yards, 5 tds, an INT, and a near win over clearly best team in the NFL, and somehow all the media can talk about is how Romo just can’t get it done.

    I guess we can just keep arguing about which of our 3 mediocre quarterbacks can do it then?

  141. 141 SteveH said at 11:20 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    That’s the beauty of Tony Romo, he does enough to put them in position to win, then does something soul crushing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I hope he never changes.

  142. 142 BlindChow said at 12:46 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    Isn’t that basically the same argument lots of Philly fans had against Andy Reid? Always so close, but never could take that last step and actually win the damn thing.

  143. 143 BC1968 said at 11:31 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Break down the film and see that both the giants and eagles switched their game plan at half. The eagles went more west coast style for foles and the giants were less concerned with the run. chip would rather have Vick run the offense because that suits his style of how he wants to run it. Oh that wasn’t me, that was hall of fame writer Ray Didinger.

  144. 144 mrparabolic said at 11:32 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    Q: What did Chip Kelly say was the most important feature of a quarterback?
    A: Repetitive Accuracy

    Q: Who is the most accurate quarterback in the history of the Philadelphia Eagles?
    A: Nick Foles

  145. 145 LeQuan Glover said at 11:38 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    And I have to respectfully disagree with Mr.Didinger based on what I saw. The running game wasn’t particular good all game long whether it was Vick or Foles and the reason is simple, but a concern: Our O-Line isn’t any better(okay, it’s a little better) than it was in 2012. As Chip would say, football is about 11 VS 11, and our 11 guys simply aren’t getting it done. I thought we weren’t getting leverage, the G-men filled up holes pretty quickly and Shady had nowhere left to go. Even Vick’s “rushing game” is a mirage considering one play went for 30 yards(A good chunk of the yards he gained on the ground). The Eagles have went more WCO ever since San Diego, the difference is that Foles can make those plays, Vick can’t.

  146. 146 Always Hopeful said at 12:25 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    You’re bringing up the bigger concern here: the offensive line. I had visions of us running effectively in the RZ and not having to rely on passes only. Yet the o-line has been serviceable, but not as dominant as I had hoped.

    Reality is that we have 4 guys coming off of injuries (I count Mathis’ surgery this summer in that number) and a raw rookie.

    I still believe that this line can put it together and that they’ll improve as they play together. They hold the key to this offense in my opinion.

  147. 147 LeQuan Glover said at 12:49 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    Yeah, that’s the word I would use to grade our O-Line 5 weeks in: Servicable, nothing spectacular. And I don’t think it’s just injuries. Herremans is no longer a starter(He was utterly LOST on the sack that took Vick out of the game). This was alluded to, going back to the pre-season but Chip trusted his veteran tackle. What makes this so difficult is that one has only so many picks and how many of them need to be devoted to our terrible secondary? I’m liking Fletcher though, not a star by any means but an excellent rotation player.

  148. 148 Always Hopeful said at 9:05 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    You’re right, Herremans is not looking good consistently. It doesn’t help him to struggle AND have the rook next to him. The line also is not a young line. Kelce and Johnson are under 25(?) but Peters, Mathis and Todd are 30 plus. It seems that O-linemen can play for a little longer (Tra Thomas and John Runyan) but 30 year old linemen aren’t good to build around…

  149. 149 Michael Winter Cho said at 1:53 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    That’s why we’ll be going O-Line in the draft. The more things change, the more they stays the same.

  150. 150 anon said at 3:25 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    Aside from poor play there’s been the drive ending penalties. We’re 3-2 without the called back td in the chargers game.

  151. 151 Baloophi said at 11:58 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    I was traveling yesterday and had to change planes in Dallas. We had to wait for our gate after landing which meant everyone on the plane was following the game on their phones as Dallas scored their last touchdown, and then Peyton methodically moved the Broncos down the field to tie. Then, while de-planing, I guess Romo threw the interception.

    When we got out into the terminal there was a funereal air as spectators clad in blue and silver were crowded around tv screens staring slack jawed at their demise. I almost felt sorry for them. Almost.

  152. 152 Maggie said at 3:42 PM on October 7th, 2013:

    A quick reference to Dallas. If the offense, with Romo, scored FORTY-EIGHT POINTS, and they lost why is the media whipping Romo??? The DEFENSE lost the game!!

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