Venting
Posted: April 2nd, 2014 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 324 Comments »DeSean Jackson has signed with the Skins. No one is happy about that. Even people who have accepted the release of Jackson are frustrated to see him go to a division rival.
So vent here. Get it out of your system.
But don’t let it get personal when someone disagrees with you. We’re all Eagles fans. This has been one strange situation to follow. Some people are more understanding, while others are more emotional. A lot of that depends on how you felt about DeSean Jackson. As I wrote the other day, I’m not a typical fan. I don’t have favorite players. I don’t go buy jerseys. I’m more of a team guy.
Vent and get it out of your system.
We don’t need to get into the same petty arguments, post after post. If you’re mad at Howie, this is your spot. If you’re mad at Chip, this is your spot. And so on.
When I put up a post tomorrow on a WR prospect in the draft, please don’t go in there to bitch about the Eagles front office failing for getting no compensation. Please don’t rant about losing DeSean to a rival.
I’m not saying you can’t be critical of the Eagles in other posts. By all means do that. But the emotional stuff has got to go away so we can get back to having good discussions. Screaming about a situation isn’t going to change it. At some point you have to accept the situation. I didn’t say you had to like it, but you’ve got to accept it and move on.
Then we can get back to being critical of other moves and non-moves. Where is our new OLB? Where is a new PK? Where is my Funyuns smoothie???
So vent. Let it fly…
LOUD NOISEEEESSS
I AM FULLY AWARE OF WHAT WE’RE YELLING ABOUT
Good for him. It just was not gonna work here. I’ll root for him to torch NY and DAL.
I’d be more concerned if we released Herremans/Mathis and he signed with Washington.
People keep saying that Desean is gonna be motivated to face us. Sure….but you know what? I bet our D is motivated to face him too.
Well at least this made me laugh:
https://twitter.com/eaglesrewind/status/451334036800421888
LOL.
Good one.
But don’t let it get personal when someone disagrees with you
Amen, brother.
And to Anders. and all those whom I may have offended with my ranting lately, I can ease your concerns. I am done with the venting. 🙂
Go Eagles.
I believe I responded to you a couple days ago saying not to worry about DeSean signing with the Redskins. He will end up in Oakland.
I am here to say I was wrong in my prediction. I held my opinion even after it was posted as a “Done Deal” late Monday night. Wrong again.
Some Redskins took Desean to a club after he met with the coaches and front office people. This was a great strategy by the Skins to put him in his comfort zone. May DJax continue to focus on the club scene rather than the team.
There’s nothing wrong to be wrong sometimes.
As for DeSean, and you may know this by now, I like this kid and wish him all the best, but not when we face him twice a year.
not that i’m one who was offended by your ranting, but i just wanted to chime in that i’m glad that you were here to provide a dissenting point of view and from what i saw kept it civil. thats more valuable than a commenter that just agrees with everything that is written 😛
keep on keepin on.
Thank you, Sir. Your kind words are much appreciated.
posted by me on the last thread just as it died
I’m All in on bneing out on DeSean. Foles is the franchise QB per Chip. Odds are Foles didn’t like DeSean. We know he wasn’t targeted as much under Foles as he was under Vick. Probably the reason is Foles was true to Chip’s vision for what the offense should be. A diva like DeSean would just complain, disrupt huddles and the offense, practice etc. We already saw him as a cancer one season.. The risk was high it would happen again, this year or next.
Add to that, the money to DeSean can be used for extensions for the young guys, Maclin’s return, and a deep WR draft and the cost of keeping DeSean outweighed the risk of cutting him..
Speaking of the money, how much did we actually save by cutting him?
~ 6.25M
That’s this year.
6.25 M this year. 10.75 M next year.
Think it’s around 4M in cap money. $ 10M saved in salary vs $6M in 14-15-16 bonus @ $2M/yr.
If it were up to Foles, I bet Avant would still be there. JA was Foles’ security blanket his rookie year.
Releasing Jackson thus allowing him to sign with a division rival ,who was demoralized, after a 3-13 season, is the 2nd most inept personnel move in Eagle history. Letting Reggie White leave is still numero uno. Chip Kelly got paid 6 million dollars to manage men, not boy scouts. He has already failed that test. Washington is better today and we are not as good. Now we have to draft a replacement instead of focusing on defense. And of course, getting no compensation should be a firing offense.
Disagree. DeSean may make the skins better but I think his departure makes us better as well. DeSean was not a big part of the Foles led offense. He would have been a distraction off the field and the team is better without him. He is not the kind of guy who will be happy being just a guy on the offense. He wants to be the man and that is not what Chip wants- he wants interchangeable parts, not one.
Still think they focus on D as well. Lots of WRs to be had in Rds 3/4. Clearly Chip thinks the offense doesn’t need a true #1.
Desean was never a true number 1
That’s just foolish, you’re implying it’s all the coach’s fault for not being able to “manage men”, so the men in question can basically rape nuns and it’s all Chip’s fault. Next…
nape runs ?? WTF yooo talking about!
Rapping Nuns…when did that happen? If you have to make things up, perhaps your argument is weak. Every winning locker room has divas. By the way do you give Mr. Chips and Howie credit for getting no compensation in return or were they too busy, rapping Nuns?
Mentioning MeSean in the same breath as a God of Football is sacrilege.
Get the faggots out and tie him to a cyberstake. Light the fire and burn the sins out of his flesh.
I tend to agree that it’s a FO fail, mainly in terms of not getting compensation, not the decision per se. But we don’t know how long the team was trying to trade him, etc. etc, etc.. And unless we can persuade Tommy to ply Jimmy Bama wih PBR and cheesesteaks till he talks, we might never know.
If we’re talking about all time worst personnel moves, than
allowing Dawk to leave is way worse than allowing desean to leave. Desean may be younger and in his prime but Dawk was the lifeblood of the team. Huge locker room impact and allowing him to retire wearing a broncos uniform was a travesty. Deasean is a great player, Dawk was a legend. Dawk should have finished his career here
More revisionist history on the Dawk departure, I see.
fat andy let Trotter go because he would pay him. we lost because we NEEEDED an MLB. and we WERE UNDER CAP!
hate fat andy and his arrogance.
he could’ve paid TO and extra 500 dimes and avoided that entire fiasco.
fat andy let Dawk go/ fat andy let DMac go/fat andy let Westbrook go/ fat andy dumped Troy V and so on and so on …
who is the greatest Eagle that ever ended as an Eagle under fat andy??? none because he dumped everyone for $$$ – all the while he paid himself one of the top 3 in the league —
and fat andy leads the franchise in losses / and his win% is a CH above the most hated rich kotite – .563 vs .583 –> that’s like 1 win every other year that fat andy has over kotite.
..fat andy SUCKS ALL TIME.
he WOULDN’T pay Trotter – man are YOU the worst typer ever!
and your opinons stink fool!
FAT ANDY SUCKS INDEED
This is idiotic. Reggie left because the Packers made him a better offer. He wasn’t cut like DJ was. And if winning the division and improving the team by 6 games in one season is “failing” your test, then your test is f’ed up.
Must be a common core test.
Read your history … the Eagles never made an offer. Try to keep up! Reading comprehension obviously is not your strength. Perhaps your a math major. Chip failed the test of dealing with a problem, at least in his mind. Every team gets rid of players for one reason or another. Most team don’t rid themselves of their best players. Regardless, getting no compensation for a talent like Jackson is a organizational failure. Chip’s got the keys and in this FRONT OFFICE episode he failed big time.
Well, we can hope that if the DeSean situation blows up, maybe even before the season) the ‘skins will be out 16 million in guaranteed money.
Now we’ll have to wait and see if more comes out on Jackson…if not, the Eagles really look bad, here.
Tommy, I just got a Nutribullet system. I’m sure it could make yummy Funyuns smoothies. I highly recommend it. And while you’re at it, try my favorite recipe:
Slim Jim, String Cheese, A-1 Steak Sauce, and pickles (need a veggie)
One final post on this and all Eagle issues…how bad could it have been, really … after 82 catches, 1300 yds and being the teams leading receiver in catching first down passes? It makes no football sense.
that’s the point. again. that this wasn’t a football move by the eagles.
It was a football move. You can’t separate the man from the player. Jackson was a disruptive influence who did not submit to Chip’s authority in a way that the FO felt was too detrimental to the FOOTBALL program.
You mean he c/wouldn`t change with the times?
He was living in the past
(no longer AR&MM`s offense)
It was time to step up his game.
Guess he couldn`t do that,could he?
Big egos in Wash now.. McNabb/TO v2.0? I almost feel sorry for what Allen got Gruden into. It’s not like DeSean is all of a sudden going to put the team first.
He’ll probably behave for this seasoin
Washington no longer needs a pick in the 1st round, they got their guy. RG3 and Desean are a dangerous, dangerous duo. If it can last. My money says — as great as they look on paper(and probably 2014) this happy marriage will not last. A lot of mouths to feed in DC with all those wr’s, rb’s and a running QB. I wish them all the luck in 2014 to pound Dallas and the Giants. Just not our birds…
You think they wouldn’t rather have the 2nd overall pick in this draft rather than DeSean?
No, I’m saying without having a 1st round pick, Wash got a player who will have a bigger impact in 2014 than anybody else they would have drafted. The long run is a different story.
Wasn’t pleased with his release and I’m certainly not pleased with him going to the Skins. It was Andy’s arrogance that ultimately lost my respect for him. I hope Chip isn’t headed down that path…
everyone is so fixated on arrogance. It is a bit annoying. It is confidence not arrogance. Chip is confident in his system and knows what it needs. Of course he knows more what is best for the team- it is his team and not the whiny fans
“No brag, jes fact.”
So one man’s arrogance is another man’s confidence? Some would say that describes DeSean as well – just coming from different situations and perspectives.
Andy was confident too. And that bread his arrogance and led to his failure.
Jeff McLane tweeted this photo.
Might explain some of the locker room stuff.
Well, that explains about as much as anything else in this saga. Those guys in the background are the O-lineman. Looks like they were having a group picture. Not sure why Jackson would be in a picture with the O-lineman.
The picture was to celebrate Shady winning the rushing title. It included the O-line, TE’s, and Avant.
Yup, I see it now. Is that Mathis holding the belt?
yea
ahh yea, i was going to guess that the second guy from the left was Casey.
Casey is in the top right
Bottom Row: Celek, Ertz, Peters, Mathis, (I think Kelce’s between Mathis and Todd), Herremans, Lane
Top Row: Avant, Shady, Barbre, Casey
Which o-lineman wears 25?
Didn’t know #25 in the top middle was a OL….and pretty sure that looks like Avant to the left of him.
Who’s this #10 guy hoggin’ the limelight? (Pun intended.)
Ooo, that one hits you right in the loins!
oh and Yankees suck 🙂
Yankees suck.
Yankees are in last place. And they suck.
This will sound weird, but its where I am. Human has won out over Eagles Fan.
I would rather be upset with the Eagles FO for making a poor decision (i.e. overreacting about some pictures) than DeSean Jackson being involved with a criminal organization (beyond some dude on his record label.) I am reserving conclusions until we know the maximum amount of facts we will know about the situation.
That said, nobody should be looking forward to facing a fully recovered Bob running a Jay Gruden offense dishing the ball to Garcon, Jackson and Morris. That is not something you ask to have in your division. (I hope I am wrong.)
You’re an idiot if you think they dumped their top receiver as an overreaction to some pictures. Read Mosher’s latest article about the Jackson issue, it hits the nail on the head…
Thanks for keeping it civil.
No prob brah s’what im here fo’ 😉
I’ve said it before and I’ll use the opportunity to say it again: Releasing DeSean will hurt the Eagles in the draft. They so desperately needed to get a safety and an OLB, but now they must get a starting receiver as well. That’s too many needs at starting positions and not enough picks to realistically expect getting all of those players. The Eagles will have holes this year when they didn’t have to.
They are going BPA. They’ve said it a hundred times, it’s Howie’s mantra.
Now Howie also said in January this draft is so deep in WRs he expects them to be BPA in more than one round, but don’t assume he meant the 1st or 2nd round, there is so much depth that UDFAs may end up starting in the NFL out of this draft.
While the Eagles most likely go with BPA, they can easily have both WR and S/CB in the same tier, ie with roughly the same grades. If a WR and CB are both there at #22, I tend to think they will then draft the position with the bigger need, which in this case will be WR.
Agree. Still think they’ll trade down. Hey, this isn’t the draft thread. It’s the venting thread. No draft talk allowed!
Well…why don’t we meet at the Radio City Music Hall on Draft day to vent about the Eagles drafting a QB in the first round?!
hahaha. Did you ever get to Wogies?
No, I only watched the Eagles games at Shorty’s in Hell’s ktichen, which was fun!
Well, why don’t we meet at the Radio City Music Hall on draft day to vent about the Eagles drafting a QB in the 1st round?!
Maybe, maybe not. It depends on several things. The heart tells me that they would pick the WR first. This is b/c CK is an offensive minded HC and will place a higher importance on the position. The emotion side says WR. The Brain/logical side says OLB/DB. The need is for a better defense. The drop off from a RD 1 Player to a RD 2 player is significant at OLB/DB. It is greater than the drop off at the WR position.
Why cant we go OLB in the first if that is BPA?
I didn’t say we can’t (maybe I did before, but not in this post). Either way at least one need won’t be met whether its WR, S, or OLB.
I do not think the hole at WR and S is as big as people make it out too be.
OLB and ILB is much bigger imo
The Eagles have a third-tier safety in Jenkins and….Earl Wolff or Nate Allen. Safety is definitely a need. A spread offense needs three starting caliber receivers. They have a second-tier receiver in Jeremy Maclin, a third-tier receiver in Riley Cooper, and….Arrelious Benn? Damaris Johnson? Brad Smith? Jeff Maehl?. Maclin and Cooper are both risky themselves (injury-prone and potentially one-year wonder respectively). WR is a huge need.
I agree with you that they need an OLB and ILB. I’d argue ILB is a more immediate need than OLB, but not by much. The Eagles can at least get by for another year with their current LB corps who aren’t great, but won’t get run over. They can’t do that at WR or S.
Venting? Lol please….eagles could kidnapp your first born son and you would write “i trust chip kelly has a plan”
The bald guy is worse…
i would like to assume that if Chip Kelly and the eagles are kidnapping anybody, they would have a plan in place first. I don’t see them as making an emotional split moment decision to kidnap somebody…
if my son was going to have a guaranteed spot on the Eagles?
This is like dolphins signing Mike wallace…
Agreed.
Pray for Jay Gruden, really.
He now has two prima donna WRs in Garcon and DeSean, a disgruntled 3rd WR in Roberts who thought he was signed to start, and the undisputed team leader, London Fletcher (their version of Dawk) has retired.
You want DeAngelo Hall as your team leader to control this mess?
Pray for RGIII, really.
Remember the last five years before Chip when McNabb and Vick would hold the ball, waiting for DeSean to get long to make a big play with their big arms? Remember the beating they took in the pocket? Now think about the Redskin OL, Trent Williams and the 4 midgets. If Gruden doesn’t dial up a lot of quick hitters, RGIII may not make it through the season, and you know how happy DeSean will be with a bunch of 10 yard routes.
Other issue is what blocking scheme, Morris is a zone block RB, go to man and his career in Washington is over (don’t think so, go check the history of Shanahan RBs). Stay with zone blocking and those deep routes are iffy.
What you may see in Washington is a “dream team” scenario, lot’s of big names that don’t fit together well because they weren’t brought in to fit a cohesive strategy but because a desperate coach (owner) simply bought what was on sale.
London Fletcher retired? how have i not heard about this until now! lol
Just like most of the accomplishments over his career– under the radar. Hated facing him, and that’s the best complement I can give a player on an opposing team.
He ended Westbrook’s career with us 🙁
Yup, I remember that hit. Funny, Trotter (as a LB for Washington) also ended Westbrook’s season as we geared up for the playoffs (I think in 2002 or 2003) when he tore BW’s triceps.
Two different defenders, two different injuries, same player, and similar effect on our offense (IE-it died)
2009 died because Jamaal Jackson tore his ACL and we had no good center who could handle Jay Ratcliff.
this. everyone seems to forget this, and blames it on the mcnabb air guitar instead.
That air guitar took years off my life
Tiki said Trot was one of the reasons he retired.
As you said, Mush rush RG3 so he cant escape the pocket and A gap blitz him so he has to get rid of the ball quick and Gruden’s offense does not really have money short routes.
Also as you said, if they go power blocking, Morris is gonna be a dud.
Coaching malpractice
The angry mobs are gathering their torches and pitchforks. Chip made a mistake rivaled by Rich Kotite allowing Reggie White to walk away. Yes, guys, it sure looks like Big Balls Chip is nothing more than Kotite 2.0. Don’t be surprised to hear a lot of “Fire Chip” chants at the Linc, like the “Fire Andy” chants in the Dream Team year.
Until Chip takes an offensive line coach and makes him the defensive coach, I’m ok with any move Chip does. That move still makes me want to throw up.
That was very very bad. Both are moronic moves. A competent, not stupid team who actually knows what they’re doing like the Seahawks or the 49ers never would have thought about doing either.
What did Kotite have to do with Reggie?
Funny is 2011 is still the best defense we had since JJ died
But if Andy had only given McDermott time to mature…
…he might still be our coach?! Chip could be in Cleveland…We didn’t draft Barkley or Ertz…whoah
The defense fell apart once the Oline Dcoach left,not before. Reid, like all falling dictators,needed a fall guy.
And the suffering fanbase,ditto.
Kotite didn’t let Reggie walk away……. ‘Stormin’ Norman was the owner, and wasn’t interested in paying Reggie the salary he deserved (as the best defensive player in the league); rather, Norm (depending on the story you believe) offered him the equivalent of a box of Cheese-its and some chocolate chip cookies. Green Bay offered him the equivalent of their stadium, and a few million in the bank.
Actually Braman never even made him an offer.
*sigh*
I thought he had, but I was a young lad at that time, so I’m probably incorrect. I’ll do some more digging
Or should I say, according to Reggie White’s widow, Sara, he never got an offer from Braman, and that Reggie felt hurt because of that.
I think I saw that special (ESPN?) either on that Eagles defense, the start of free agents (as modern day NFL knows of it), or Reggie’s career and death.
Braman was more interested in making money than he was with putting a top notch team together for the city of Philadelphia. I remember my mom joking with the people we sat with at the games…. “Hey, do you think stormin’ Norman is in the owners box, or is he in France again?”….. in other words, he wasn’t interested in the Eagles, rather he was interested in the $$ associated with the Eagles.
When he sold the birds to a young, Jewish filmmaker…… nobody knew what to expect. I’m sure glad he sold them, and in my opinion (yes, I’m “young”) Lurie is the best owner the Birds have ever had
I’m just glad Reggie got a ring, he truly deserved it.
LOL…this is about as close to the White fiasco as the sun is to freakin now-I’m-not-a-planet Pluto. Some of the rhetoric around here just blows my mind.
Kotite was also 10-6 his first season as HC. Plus, Kotite still has something Chip doesn’t have yet, a playoff win.
One thing to keep in mind, DeSean would not have repeated his 2013 season had he stayed in Philly:
75 throws the first 8 games
57 throws the last 9 games
Reason is that when Foles took over, he started implementing “Chip’s system” spreading the ball around, and Ertz and Cooper played larger roles down the stretch, with Cooper getting as many throws as DeSean.
In 2014, with Maclin and Sproles, DeSean could have seen his touches reduced further (not out of spite, just b/c there’s only one ball). That might not have been very pretty in the clubhouse (MeSean isn’t exactly a team first player).
It also suggests that DeSean would not have come close to repeating his 2013 performance, which I predict will be his career peak.
His five year average with QBs like the one he’ll have in Washington (mobile strong arm guys who have to see receivers open):
55 105 52.4% 957 17.4 5 TD
great point. i didn’t notice his touches change like that mid-season.
i wonder if the team was also expecting his touches to drop significantly and saw his price as too high which may have been part of the reason to dump him. who knows.
Good stat work. I knew his number of targets dropped but I didn’t realize how significantly. With Cooper, Maclin, Sproles, Celek, Ertz, McCoy and *Rookie*, I think we will see 5 or 6 guys with 50 catches a piece. As long as Foles doesn’t regress, this offense will still be pretty darn good.
Stats are fun. 5 games with 100+ yards. Also, 5 games under 50 yards. Last 7 regular season games, 1 game over 100 yards(only game over 5 catches). 2 games in the 80’s and 5 games below 60 yards.
Foles didn’t target DJax because too many times he would throw a checkdown when the ball should have been going downfield. Westbrook said as much after last season. When teams roll up their corners and load the box you should be throwing downfield. In the Saints game he threw tons of checkdowns that went for minimal yardage while receivers were wide open downfield.
Very Nice. If you look at his first 8 games and his second 8 games his yard and TD’s are about the same. 673 yds 5 tds – 659 yds 4 tds It didn’t matter which QB he had. His YDS and TDs were about the same. 7 of his 9 TD’s came from Nick Foles.
We have to remember that Foles played about 2 and a half games of the first 8 games. I want to say it was about 170 of DJs yards in the first 8 games came from Foles.
If those numbers are true — 24 mil, with 16 guaranteed. Is the 16 guarantee an upfront in his pocket money or is that spread over the 3 years?
Probably guaranteed the first year salary, which is effectively guaranteed anyway for a player of that stature. Also, later year guarantees are often “injury only,” which means the team can cut him without a hit. The devil is in the details.
Remember, DeSean was going to pretty much have $10+M guaranteed this year if the Eagles kept him, so the only guaranteed money that “counts” is bonus money and salary guaranteed in the 2nd and 3rd years.
It shows you why the Eagles couldn’t trade him if he wouldn’t restructure, he wasn’t worth paying $29M for three years with no dead money, a cap hit most teams would accept for a true #1 WR with no baggage (think Megatron would garner some draft picks?).
The 16m are fully guaranteed. DeSean will make 8m this season.
Are you KIDDING ME, Howie? I thought I could trust you! I feel so….. betrayed.
Defending you to all the negadelphians that listen to too much WIP? Pointing out how much better our draft classes have gotten? And now, instead of trading one of the top receivers in the league to an AFC rival for a 6th round pick, we have to watch some #10 “JACKSON” REDSKINS jersey for the next few years TWICE per year! The thought of that first deep ball going just over Malcom Jenkins’ fingertips is making me cringe, literally.
Now, we also have pressure to draft a WR in the top 2 rounds that wasn’t there before. I thought Free Agency was a tool to fill in gaps that we had on the team in order to make the draft a true BPA exercise? THE REDSKINS? The ONLY positive thing I can say about that is THANK THE BABY JESUS it wasn’t the New York Football Little People or the Cowgirls.
Please, just… give me a reason. I need that closure.
Thanks, Tommy, I needed that.
On a more serious note, fantastic blog you have here. There is not a single Eagles author whose opinion I trust more.
You really think that RGKnee will give up his jersey #?
Oh, no, I don’t. My bad, I don’t know any other teams jersey numbers besides the Birds. Forget that #10 part 😉
It’s just frustrating. I mean, we can all guess that Snyder and Team ‘barely competent’ didn’t do their research well over there. And it’s frustrating I know why I can’t find out more about the situation, but also that I can’t know more.
It’s frustrating that I hope it’s not McNabb 2.0, but that I hope it is McNabb 2.0.
The beautiful thing for Desean is that having been released the Eagles didn’t have to share anything with potential suitors.
My three cents: I am looking forward to the Eagles drafting a sure handed, physical, RAC type receiver this offseason. Doug Baldwin, Anqaun boldin, Dez Bryant esque.
I believe the eagles have been lacking in that area since TO. While Desean could have been excellent as a slot, periodic number one threat, screen, return guy this year, I have always gotten the impression that his ego, while not apparent last year, prevented us from using him outside of the role he most prefers, which I believe is the number one receiver spot, stretching the field.
I was perplexed by the move to release him, because he is a great weapon to have, and to me, last year he proved to be a guy buying into the system, aside from some points where he seemed frustrated. But now, we don’t really have a top end speed/slot/wes welker/percy harvin like receiver. Which I believe is part of the puzzle. Damris johnson? Maclin? idk if they are able to fill that role that I think is vital to a super bowl run for us, if we are relying on offense over defense to win it.
So now we have maclin (our golden tate), Riley cooper (a decent jump ball type), Benn (Could be a wild card and the difference), Damiris (Could improve as a slot guy), Ertz (Could improve as a reliable possession tight end), Celek (Our best get that extra yard guy from the receiver perspective).
So theres alot of uncertainty now as to those roles of true number one receiver and a guy that can stretch the field. Which seems to take away picks I feel we desperately need to make on defense in this years draft.
While losing Desean to me seems to mean we might draft two wide receivers, Id hope that we would draft a Defensive Linemen, then a LB, then a safety, and then get some wideouts, barring no exceptional wideouts are left on the board in the first round.
The talk around my area has always been very much so against Desean the person, based on his antics on the field. Although many mention they don’t know the real Desean and therefore could be wrong about his character.
Honestly I have always, since the “Fumble at the one” play which would have been his first touchdown I believe, been skeptical of Deseans character, feeling like it could be poisonous to the team, so this didn’t really surprise me. Although I was perplexed because I kinda felt like “ok so hes a little bit of an annoyance seemingly with what I view as his his character flaws, im ok with that if we can win the bowl.” and thats how I felt. As long as it doesn’t poison the culture of the team. So his release to me signaled that it did.
But DID IT? Well, Judging by the reaction of his teammates, I believe there was something of which I am not going to further speculate.
But the biggest disappointment is that you don’t break up with a player essentially without getting anything in return. Perhaps we are getting peace and focus and a better culture in the locker room, but is that enough? they could have at least, at least! got a pick, even if its a final round pick!
But, I understand my folly, the Eagles to me, had no choice, they were imo back into a corner, needing to create the culture they sought after in the locker rooom. So now, we all deal with the aftermath. The question is, can they make the right moves in the draft to give this team a chance.
I REMEMBER DENVER, KANSAS CITY, DALLAS (this year and the year Vick struggled). this team currently, while good, is not a superbowl contender yet.
as a fan, thats all I care about. So now I wait, watching, hoping that it makes sense, and then waiting to watch it unfold.
I believe in Chip, I believe in Foles, I believe in the running game, So lets fix the defense and get those last few pieces missing in that offense!
COME ON!
this is a challenge for them, but i am on the edge of my seat. I am excited.
maybe im just setting myself up for disappointment, but I think they could do it this year. I believe like every year, we can win it and I can live vicariously through my favorite team. I can share that feeling of champ!
IM ALL IN!
Okay, but TO was not known for his hands.
Yeah but TO had an elite Yards per Touch rating, so he wasn’t self tackling when not in open space like desean. And he was a Touchdown machine. No recievers on our team right now has one of two things. RAC yard ability or spectacular hands. Maybe we get that in one guy, or maybe we get it in two. Welker, good hands, can get you those RAC yards….
Desean is on this one (2013)
http://wp.advancednflstats.com/teamyear.php?year=2013&team=PHI&season=all
TO (2004)
http://wp.advancednflstats.com/teamyear.php?year=2004&team=PHI&season=all
But you are right. TO wasn’t sure handed, and actually Desean statistically was more sure handed than him. My mistake. But TO got us to the superbowl. and he was way more dominant in my book than Desean. Without that injury, we win that year
TO does fit my physically gifted description though.
Typical coaches have a 3 year leash, show some results (e.g. improved record, playoff appearance/win) in three years and you might get to stay on. Being with the Eagles and with already showing some results Kelly may have a bit longer, idk. So Kelly is not just looking at next year. He’s looking at the next two to three years. My opinion is he feels that the offense may not be quite as good on the field this year (do they have to set records every year) but its worth it to get rid of a distraction and get the offense used to Jackson not being there. If Jackson was a virus (slightly less than a cancer) dump him now so that in 2-3 years when Kelly’s job is more on the line he is no longer dealing with this issue and the offense is already clicking without him.
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And I agree, the Eagles didn’t do this lightly. This isn’t Kelly saying “Howie, DeSean won’t do what I tell him to do. Get rid of him.” They (as in Kelly, Roseman and Lurie) have been digging and contemplating this since the playoff loss. They finally gathered all the information they had made a decision. I hate the ‘Kelly is arrogant’ argument. Maybe he pushed for it more than other coaches would have or was more confident his system could run without Jackson but believe me Roseman wanted this just as much if not more. No one wants to deal with a prima donna WR who dogs it cuz he wants to be paid more than what the contract he agreed to is paying him. Then the next year you give him the contract and two years after that he wants to redo it again! Roseman was on board.
More like excising a polyp before it becomes a cancer?
More like cutting off your arm because there’s a polyp on it that could become cancer!
If you think he was that important, look at his stats during the second half of 2013…after Foles replaced Vick. I’m not saying he wasn’t important, just not ‘Arm’. Perhaps finger? Opposable thumb?
I’m pretty attached to my opposable thumb. That being said, I think you’re right. We will definitely miss his ability to stretch the field vertically but he wasn’t nearly the factor that he should have been for 12million once Foles took over in the second half
They tried to trade DeSean LAST offseason.
He was never going to make it past 2014 in any case.
Any thoughts on why Damaris did not flourish in the system last year? Seems like he is tailor made for the making pays in space role?
Perhaps he didn’t “buy in”. Perhaps he wasn’t good enough to warrant carving out a niche for. Really no idea.
He (slot role) would have needed to beat out Avant (wasn’t happening), but he was also buried below Djax, Coop, and B. Smith as outside receivers. He looks like one of those “all purpose” college game changers that never really translated his skills to the next level. I wouldn’t mind giving him one more shot this year, but my best guess is this— he’s gone.
He also really has low end top speed, right?
Yea he’s quick as all heck but he runs something like a 4.5, gets caught from behind quite a bit.
No idea. He looked so good in TC
Wasn’t he injured at one point? I think B.smith is bigger, faster and will beat him out this year, plus they have A. Benn back. I think hes a great sub/ 5th option. But I think they will give him a shot this year.
slow and tiny? at some point you need actual skill and ability to get open and catch the ball. He couldn’t even handle kr/pr duties.
FYI Desean is already out clubbing with the Redskins and the rapper Walle. Sure its off-season and thats all good. Thing is the skins do it all season long.
Dude really didn’t pick a great environment.
I think he thinks he did.
Coulda closed the deal?
Maybe that`s what attracted him in the 1st place?
Tommy, Im not sure a vanilla pudding, Funyun and PBR smoothie is Kelly approved
Just wondering if Anders is avoiding this thread on purpose…?
I have already replied to 3 people 😛
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Ahh Rant over
My problem with this is not that Desean is Gone. My problem is now we have to watch him do it to us.
He was a polarizing receiver unable to take over games when he should have been able to. He played small when things weren’t going well. And except for MMII can’t really remember him coming through in the clutch when we needed a play (a la Westy or McNabb) a lot. Last thing in my mind is the Minn game where I felt he could have helped us win that game… anyway. I knew he was a meathead when he fumbled at the one.
The problem is seeing his antics from the other side is going to suck. If the Redskins play any type of run around and chuck it down field with RG3 we are going to see DJax streaking past a bad secondary and scoring. F it go deep playground ball. I have no faith in RG3 as a pocket passer but if they run bootlegs and scramble there will be secondaries burned to the ground by DJax and Garcon. Uggghhh. And right now I have to think one of them will be ours.
I am not looking forward to seeing that from the other teams perspective. Holding my breath fingers crossed this is not hte play he breaks free and goes 50 yards for a TD. After years of watching the Nestea Plunge and various other taunting from Djax I am going to be pissed when he does it to us.
I also have no real faith in this years WR crew. ACLs and guys who have trouble with man coverage… not looking good. Good news is Ertz and Celek and maybe that loser Casey will have a big year.
I just this morning dropped off my #10 jersey at the Goodwill store. In Chip We Trust!
I’m all out of rants.,.
I aprreciate your desire to not let this become an endless topic of dicussion Tommy, but but whether this works out or not, it will be a defining moment of the Chip Kelly/Howie Roseman regime and they will be continue to be judged by it in the future. They are going to be called geniuses if it works out so they will therefore deserve to be labeled fools if the Redskins are in the playoffs next year and the Eagles are at home. This isn’t something where we all just say “well, that happened, let’s move on from here.”
Kelly and Roseman have now thrown away much of the good will and faith that they earned from Eagles fans last year. We’re starting over here.
The guy molded us a potential franchise QB (among many many other positives), he cuts a diva WR with issues and he’s lost all good will. Negladelphia still going strong.
PBR sucks!
HEY HEY HEY! There is still certain boundaries. Don’t wanna hear anything about Megan Fox either, that new Ninja Turtles movie will be great, and thats the end of that!
Gotta admit they look weird with their noses and stuff though
Oh that was dripping with sarcasm. I think that movie will redefine what suck means.
Good point, we need to hook Tommy up with some good Philly-area craft beers.
I said it when it happened that the Eagles made a big PR mistake by releasing him right after the NJ.com article, and it looks like some of the backlash has really started with Richard Sherman’s MMBQ article. Framed in a specific way, the Cooper/DJax situation reflects really poorly on the team’s management.
I think Chip or Howie need to get in front of the press and say at a minimum that he wasn’t released because of his “gang affiliations,” if for no other reason than to quell the “Eagles are a racist organization” chants.
I don’t think they’re racist, mostly because they’re the only team to give Vick a second chance
Well, we know one thing for sure: the Washington Redskins aren’t a racist organization…
Where’s the thread for people complaining the Eagles didn’t trade for Urlacher? Oh, wait…this isn’t EMB?
This is just fantastic. I love this comment more than words can describe.
The first RGIII pass of the new season will be a bomb to a streaking DeSean for a TD. He’ll pull an Iphone out of his sock and tweet FU LMFAO to Kelce. The Redskins will take an early lead in the division while Foles falls back to earth throwing wounded ducks to Pinkston/Thrash, I mean Maclin and Cooper. The fanbase will wait for our 1st round rookie to save us. Kelly will ride Shady to the ground as we claw for 2nd place with the Giants and Cowboys. However, at the end of the season, he will genius us out of it and we will emerge with the division crown and win a nice 1st round playoff exit.
So you are saying we win the superbowl, gotcha.
What i hope doesn’t happen is a miracle in the meadowlands against us. that would be worst case scenario, especially if we don’t go to the playoffs.
Why would we ever play the Redskins in the Meadowlands?
Amazing crystal ball, I must say.
What # do think Jackson will wear?
My guess 80.
#1. His old Cal jersey number.
That was what I was thinking at first, but NFL #’s for WR’s are 80-89 and if they are not available the alternate #’s are 10-19.
Clever. You.
I saw DeSean tweeting that he was goin for #10 and convince RG3 to get #3.
DeSean in the NFC… *YAWN*…I don’t really care. He disappears in big games, he’s a prima donna, he’s a disruptive locker room influence, not a team first guy…good riddance. We have all the tape we need on him, we’ll be just fine, we’ll win the NFC East and DC will stay right where they belong…in the basement chained to a wall, eating Baby Ruths.
I haven’t watched extensive tape outside of games, but he seems to disappear when he faces physical corners…like Williams, Fletcher, and Carroll. So I’m not too worried
Where is the Helmet 2 Helmet show Tommy, you scallywag? Is it Jimmys fault, that lazy bastard? Kick him! KICK HIM RIGHT IN THE NUTS!
Redskins: This year’s “Dream Team”
Its truly a blessed time. I mean, I can’t even imagine how Dan Snyder will ignite this firebomb of a clusterfuck and you just know that Jerruh in Dallas is fuming about not being the big dog in his own division, which will lead him to make decision that will bite that team in the ass in the worst imaginable way. Its out there, right in the near future. We now it’s coming, we just don’t know when and how, but its gonna be a failure of epic proportions.
Living in the DC/Metro area I’m just looking forward to coverage of daily brawls between Desean and Deangelo Hall…they freakin’ hate each other. Chemistry is already worse for the Deadskins with the signing
Deangelo lobbied for him to come to DC, said he’d love to take him under his wing and then took him out to a nightclub the day before he signed where they were seen taking pictures all smiles w one another…so I wouldn’t get your hopes up
Also, money or not, it was a really bitchy move of him to sign with a rival
Ridiculous. They cut him and he owes them no allegiance.
I see where you’re comin from but there’s got to be SOME loyalty.
Why? Why should he show any loyalty to an organization that dumped him outright, refused to give a reason why, and I bet smeared him in releasing that material/giving ESP the impetus for the NJ.com article.
They not only released him but smeared him. He knows them less than nothing.
Less than nothing? That’s pretty negative.
I for one like that he went to a division rival. Things like this always make the games more interesting, more personal and ultimately more fun. There’s even more on the line when we play the skins so that’s a positive. The skins have barely been a worthy adversary over the past decade. I like that there’s blood in the water now. Ultimately the sports entertainment and this adds to the entertainment potential of the game. Just like McNubbs and TO’s homecomings made those games more meaningful.
The only returning player that ever broke my heart was watching Dawkins on the Broncos. He was Philadelphia and one if the few players that was fun to root for on his own. DeSean is an easily dislikable character, so at the very least it’ll be interesting to see how this plays out.
That being said, the moment he torches sconces for a 60 yard TD and does some BS celebration I’ll seriously want to punch a baby right in the face.
That baby being him.
So far the 2 biggest public supporters of Jackson appear to be his high school coach and his high school buddy Richard Sherman, both out on the west coast. This is a separation of at least ten years and a couple thousand miles. How much current contact have they had with Jackson that allows them to offer anything more than “Jackson was okay in high school”.
NFL coaches should have a ” Hippocratic Oath” …Do NO harm. I can’t believe throwing away team talent will make the team better
Getting it out of the system and I’m done with it once and for all:
This situation was handled poorly and had probably the worse possible outcome one could reasonably think of given the known facts and common speculation.
That said, this team should still be one of the rising teams and we’ll be fine.
The end
Most excellent and succinct analysis
After year one I now believe Chip is a good offensive coach, …..BUT I am not drinking the Kool-Ade that he can Wine- from-Water( i.e the offense is better without DJac).
Wise enough, that’s one of those things that should be seen before believed. I’m willing to wait and see.
Change your Banner Mr. Lawlor. It’s dated!!!!
Need to see some Jeff Maehl up on that thing!
Fuck ’em. He’s not on our team anymore.
Healthy attitude. Funny how I can agree in this instance (and Mcnabb), but not Reggie or Dawk.
Love ’em when they’re Eagles, hate them when they’re not.
nope:
http://i.imgur.com/NYqIjQ4.jpg
What is in that picture on the wall? Kind of looks like some dead things.
This was coming sooner or later. Foles is going to get a massive extension if (and when) he has another monster year. Not expecting him to repeat his success of last year but he’ll probably be a pretty damn good QB that we need to keep for the next several years. There’s no way we can fit those numbers with Desean’s contract. Now we can draft cheap rookie WRs that fit the system and let Foles manage the rest. Its better that this happened sooner than later. Its going to suck for a while, at least the first 6 weeks of the regular season, but we’ll be fine going forward.
What about cutting our top wide receiver who was due to make 10.5 million and signing Mark Sanchez makes you think that Chip Kelly is the type of guy that thinks offensive skill positions in his system are not interchangeable? Do you realize what “monster contract” means for even a mediocre QB in the NFL?
Last pre-season, our two QBs both looked very good in preseason. Choosing the starter was practically a toss-up. If that happens again this pre-season and both Sanchez and Barkley look like they are able to run Kelly’s system very well, then I just don’t see the Eagles locking up 15-20% of their available cap money at QB.
I don’t really think this is going to work. For example, when Joe Webb signed with Carolina, there were multiple sort of nasty threads about how some people hated poor Joe and loved him…
You’ll be talking about Desean more, I think, and have more derailed threads in the future.
I am extremely impressed that you managed to work Joe Webb into this discussion. Well done!
Well, sure, but check out some of those epic Daily Norseman threads…This is for a sixth round pick who left via an uncontroversial free agency…
Now, think about how much charge the Djax issue is going to maintain…
Man you can say a lot of things about this team but you cant say this team isnt fun to follow. Every year there is something happening good or bad. I just love it. Sunday night football eagles redskins. that will be funnnn.
Is it fun if it leaves you with a sour disposition?
No, but I will get over it. I trust what Chip is doing based on his past actions and success. He has the benefit of the doubt as of now. Its just one player we will be fine. Speed is replaceable.
If giving up the Eagles’ best wide receiver to a division rival for nothing doesn’t revoke Chip Kelly’s benefit of the doubt, what does?
not improving as a team
Chip was only responsible for releasing him. Signing with redskins was djax’s choice. D-jax can be covered not like he is the best of all time.
Nothing revokes Chip’s credibility so far. He is always thinking ahead, like any good coach or organization. AND keeping dirty laundry in-house.
In 5 years, will you care? The FO works toward the future, not the past.
It really pisses me off that the eagles organization did something that Richard Sherman is now commenting on. I swear that loudmouth is like the guy in your philosophy class who won’t shut the hell up and let the professor teach.
This was one of those situations where the headline wrote itself, regardless of the intent of the writers.
He’s not only writing about it because he knew Desean. He’s also writing about it because this aspect is a huge part of the conversation in certain places–and broadly too. Eagles org never needed to do a hit piece to justify what they wanted to do.
I don’t believe the Eagles are to blame for the hit piece, but they certainly seemed to use it to their advantage. I guess they decided to wait it out until their public comments could be “We can’t comment on another team’s player”, but by not saying anything they gave the gang piece validity and the complete lack of class they displayed by doing so is not something I’ve come to expect from this organization and I find it extremely disappointing.
Let’s just deal with facts …… no need to GUESS, what happened.
Fact # 1 – Team was trying to MOVE ( trade ) Desean
Fact # 2 – Story was released by N.J.com
Fact # 3 – 30 min. later Jackson was released.
Fact # 4 – Team already knew about EVERYTHING in N.J.com article.
Fact # 5 – Team had nothing to gain by releasing Jackson when they did.
Fact # 6 – Team ” KNEW ” that releasing Jackson at that time would perpetuate Jacksons ” ALLEGED ” gang ties.
Fact # 7 – Team ( refused ) to comment on Jackson’s release ( warned by lawyers )
Fact # 8 – Team wouldn’t have needed lawyers if they didn’t release Jackson 30 min. after N.J.com’s article.
Fact # 9 – Team got ” NOTHING ” for Desean
Fact # 10 — you(any of us) have no idea, no clue at all, what happened behind closed doors in the locker rooms and on the field
just a fact you missed….
Fact #11. Eagles get 2 more nationally broadcast games next year. Great for us on the West coast.
S-8:
100% yes
I’m thrilled he went to the Skins. I guarantee you he gets neutralized at the LOS by the Eagles next season.
While we’re venting, I don’t like gazpacho and didn’t like the movie Anchorman. Also, how is storage wars on the air? And who the hell makes those awful direct tv commercials??!?!?!?!
I’m a gazpacho fan but haven’t seen Anchorman. Should I skip it?
I actually liked Storage Wars until they kicked Dave Hester and Darryl off.
Want to really gag? Watch 1 minute of “real housewives” in any city. Or maybe not. Why soil a perfectly good flat screen?
A lot of people are reluctant to say that this was largely about money, but I think it was.
what isn’t
Perhaps especially how much money his new agent makes. Sad but true, football is a business is not just a cliché.
A few comments about this whole Djax situation
I, like many of you am worried about how the Eagles will replace his numbers but…
Teams do not throw away pro-bowl players without reason. I grow tired of everyone saying the Eagle cut ties with Jackson because he had so called”ties” to street gangs. There is absolutely no evidence that this was the reason. Could it have contributed? perhaps. I suspect this is more to do with attitude that anything else.
Teams do not love players when they ask for pay increases every few years. Clearly the Eagles felt his contract was more than fair. Need more evidence? What did the skins sign him for? 3 years at 24 mill. This is 6 million less than the Eagles were paying him.
Good luck next year Redskin fans when djax asks for a new contract next year or the year after.
Jackson is an extremely talented player. He contributed to this team on the field in a big way. Did Kelly make a mistake? Who knows. The reality is this is his team and he needs to be allowed to create it his way.
There is a reason Kelly has been one of the most sought after coaches in recent years…He knows football and how to build teams. Does anyone think its a coincidence that Jacksons best year happened to come in Kellys first year as a coach?
Lastly, I can’t stand so-called “Eagle” fans who jump ship every time a player leaves. To me that’s worse that when people pick there team based on who won the last Super Bowl.
There. I’m done. Thanks Tommy…I feel much better…
LOL Washington…the place where ex-Eagles go to die.
Jackson’s laughing all the way to the bank.
His lawyers are also happy. Those guys don’t work cheap.
Smh…no, no he isn’t.
the Eagles were never going to pay him $10.5 MM.
Doesn’t appear any other (well run) team offered to either.
so why exactly are you SYH?
Why does DeSean Jackson hate native Americans?
I blame Kempski.
Just get clowney
Not much more to be said except this was a strategic and operational failure by the Eagles.
Well, no matter how you feel about DJax and his release, I think he has handled the release professionally so far. Damn it… not making things easier…
https://twitter.com/Jeff_McLane/status/451426974754697216
https://twitter.com/Jeff_McLane/status/451427499302739970
https://twitter.com/Jeff_McLane/status/451429118161481728
Post-free agency, few teams who’ve won the SB have had truly dominant WRs.
The Steelers with Hines Ward. The Colts with Marvin Harrison.
And neither Ward nor Harrison was as dominant a presence as pre-free agency WRs like Jerry Rice, Michael Irvin, Fred Belitnikoff, Swann and Stallworth. Generally, the great SB-winning WRs played opposite very talented WRs in their own right, like John Taylor, Cliff Branch, and Alvin Harper [pre-big contract].
So I’m not crying a river a tears for the loss of Djax.
The Eagles need a better defense to win the SB. Definitely, a better pass-rush.
That said, I’m disappointed with how the front office handled matters vis-a-vis the media. Not regarding the rumors of a trade. But regarding Jackson’s reputation.
Seems Lurie, Roseman, and Kelly made a decision to let the media do the dirty work and then stood silent to give legitimacy to the story.
That story covers events that, if they were a big deal, would’ve prompted Lurie to fire Jackson 3 years ago.
So shame on “The Big 3” for not manning up and saying the NJ.com story is not new news — which means Jackson was cut because that’s what Roseman and Kelly thought was best for the team. How hard is that?
Agreed. It’s not a good look for the org. Really wish they’d provide some clarification.
The historical perspective is definitely interesting, but I do wonder how that may change over the next 10 years. There is no question the league has become more and more a passing league. Teams are putting up historic numbers and breaking passing records on a regular basis. In the last 3 years, Dan Marino’s record of most passing yards in a single season which had stood for 27 years was broken FIVE times. EIGHT of the top ten passing yards for a season all time have happened in the last 3 years. With that in mind, I do wonder if we will start to see more dominant WRs contributing to Super Bowl winning teams.
There is one small caveat. The Eagles FO has said nothing about anyone all off-season, except for player signings. And wishing well to Avant.
IIRC, they did have positive things to say about Avant and Vick as they left/signed elsewhere.
They all had good mothers who told them not to say anything if it wasnt nice though.
Those two were well into their 30s though.
You said it best the other day when you said the team “crapped all over him”, or something to that effect. Dropping Jackson within the hour of the NJ.com report, and then not commenting, had the net effect of letting NJ.com speak for the team. Not our classiest moment. I’m still waiting for the really dirty laundry to appear…
Now that’s funny . . . . and sad.
SMH… stupid Crips… who’s going to replace Desean’s production?
Good belly laugh. Thanks.
Oh Tommy, what a great post. Usually reading the comments section is a lot of fun and is very engaging. Recently, it had become all about the so called “Negadelphia Fans”. This is a post that was absolutely required so that people can get the whole Desean story out of their system. I live in DC and the Washington fans here are going absolute nuts. Its tough to face that, but I have faith in Chip and know that we will be okay without Desean. I have a feeling Chip really loves Maclin as they were giving him a 5 year deal and he is a much better locker room presence than Jackson.
We can still beat the Redskins with their horrible defense even if Desean lights up Cary Williams for a 50 Yard TD.
Is this where you go to say you’ve accepted that Desean is gone, that the reasons for his departure are not going to be fully explained to us, that Chip and Howie decided to do this for a reason other than they have a desire to see the Eagles be a worse team than they were before, and that the constant consternation from fans and media that we are going to experience for the next 6 months at a minimum is more aggravating at this point than not having Desean Jackson?
Tomorrow would be a great day for Goodell to announce DJax is getting suspended 8 games for flashing gang signs during broadcasts.
Thanks, Tommy. Somebody had to say something. Facts: DeSean is gone. So’s Avant and Vick and Andy and that Eagles team. It (the “old” Eagles) needed to be put out of its misery. Chip Kelly’s doing what he was hired to do: put ‘er down, and rebuild it. He’s doing that.
It’s like having an old dog that can’t walk and pisses everywhere and is in pain. You love the dog. You love the good times you’ve had with him. You might even love his smell or the way he barks or looks at you. But none of those things help the dog or you get better. So you decide to take fate into your own (or the vet’s) hands. Your kids will cry but they’ll get over it. It’s better for you. And you hope the dog is in a better place.
If anything, we should be less angry at the Eagles and more sorry for DeSean: All dogs go to heaven, but apparently DeSean Jacksons go to Washington instead.
Don’t care about Jackson… He’s gone… that’s the way the NFL works.
Year 1 surpassed all expectations even for the coaching staff IMHO.
With that being said, Chip knows that winning the division last year was like being the tallest midget in the room – that crop of players were never going to beat SF or Seattle.
So the question in Chip’s mind when the confetti stopped falling on the Seahawks was how can I beat these physical secondaries and a small WR corps is unlikely to get it done.
Add to that the disproportionate amount of money attributed to the WRs (and DJax in particular) and even if there were fewer character concerns, there would still be some grounds for moving on from Jackson from a purely Xs and Os point of view.
I think Chip wants to use more TE sets and this move will allow that to happen more often. If there are 2 players with similar grades in the draft in rounds 1 & 2, I fully expect the Eagles to choose D over WR and wait ’til rounds 3 or 4.
was with you until you said we were taking d early in the draft.
IM STILL PSSED AT FAT ANDY FOR RELEASEING TROTTER WHEN WE NEEEDED AN MLB SOFA KING BADLY!
I love D JAX ..I think he’s as big a dope in the league as there is, I.e. with his fumble before TD and his dopey thug antics and his other dopey sh!t — but he is an Eagles- he is OUR MAN!! hate seeing him leave. cant imagine we just release a talent like him! I aint ready to believe that Chip is smarter than everyone ( and that includes Sanchez also!) ..fat Andy carried himself around like he was smarter than everyone else a he certain IS NOT! very few are.
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and I don’t think its anti-eagle to root for him to run one back on us next season either! (I want to win the game but I hope he scores TWICE on us!!)
Dude rooting for the skins to score a single poin is anti eagle. Screw djax he’s like to…dead to eagles fans
He is NOT “OUR MAN” anymore. He’s gone. Move on.
–>im NOT a fan of the Sanchez acquisition – is what I was trying to say ..I haven’t even seen how much we are paying him but hope its cheap and im praying that Chip’s sytem is sofa king good that he can plug in anyone ..ok, fine we will just draft all defense.
So here is how it all went down:
Desean has been asking for more money right after the season ended behind closed doors and made it public a few times in the last 3 months. His agent threatened for a holdout and Eagles have already seen the “Soft” version of Desean in Andy Reid’s time asking for a new contract, so Eagles got pretty good idea that this will become a cancer pretty quickly and affects the whole team in negative way when season started. This and his $10.5 MM salary was not justifiable to keep him around and they decided to take a PR hit than to affect locker room and the performance of the team and alter their draft plans. Their obviously were no teams willing to trade as they all sniffed out that he will be released, probably Desean’s new agent played a role in it as well.
I am happy that Eagles did what was best in the interest of the team at ‘this’ time given the circumstances!
how do you know what went on behind closed doors w/FO &Jackson; how do you know that his agent has been threatening a holdout for 3 months?…
If true, I would love to see a retraction from every poster here who put the blame on the Coach,GM and Owner.(Humble Pie anyone?)
Would turn out to have been pure greed,on the agent`s part as well as Jackson who created the whole mess.
Could definitely see that as the way it played out.
We’ve seen the DeSean that wants a contract play, not pretty.
Too many people are confused about how money works in the NFL. It’s not just a matter of having nowhere else to spend the 10.5 mill saved this year. Salary cap carries over to the next year. And it’s not just a matter of money out of Lurie’s pocket or the organization being cheap. You only get so much monopoly money to spend on salaries, and unlike the US Govt you can’t print more if you want a player in 2015 or 2016. You have to budget ahead of time. The Eagles made what they think is the right move, and I see no reason not to trust them.
Exactly. Smart business managers are always thinking 3, 4 or 5 years ahead, not living in the moment.
Jeremiah Trotter. Albert Haynesworth. Donovan McNabb. DeAngelo Hall. Bruce Smith.
The Snyder Redskins have a pattern of spending big money to acquire big name players who turn out to be unproductive and/or distractions in the locker room, and bring the team no closer to winning. Seems to me DeSean might just end up being the latest in a long line.
They can do whatever they like at the skill positions – as long as they have Grifffin playing behind that crappy offensive line I don’t think their offense is anything to be afraid of.
Does anyone know if the Eagles get any further break on the dead money on the salary cap this year, since Jackson signed for more than that? Gosh, can we at least get off the hook for his salary!
Maybe we could sign Na Brown and Billy McMullin with the extra cash.
I believe offset language only works if part of the base salary is guaranteed. The dead money was all from the signing bonus.
If anyone is still interested, Dawkins weighed in on why DJ was released.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2014/4/2/5575804/brian-dawkins-laments-why-the-eagles-released-desean-jackson
Interesting….Kind of like wanting a divorce. All the little things keep mounting up, until the day comes when you can’t stand the situation your in. Silence by both parties indicates civility.
Yeah that reinforces that I think is the most plausible theory.
Also, Desean not sniping back at the Eagles through the media is telling, citing his own immaturity as a potential reason, it all seems to be adding up that this was a culmination of a lot smaller things rather than one big thing.
I’m starting to get a little salty about the way the national media is covering this though. Yahoo had something up earlier today about how this is setting a “dangerous precedent”… clearly not doing any research into the real reason why Desean was released. IDK why I would expect anything different though.
DeSean not sniping is from his agent’s and Washington’s PR people suggesting he read the prepared statements and not ad lib. He obviously couldn’t help himself when he stated that “the decision has not been made, yet, about the All-Star Quarterback giving away his jersey number! Talk about self-centered, not to mention stupid. Lost all respect for him now.
Blast from the past!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe5B8W8ZyR4
Hate losing a piece for nothing. I feel like the FO didn’t handle this situation with much tact, not smart. Not smart.
a somewhat silver and blue lining; at least he didn’t go to dallas…
I liked DeSean I’m mad he’s gone. In chip we trust. Chip has big balls to cut a probowl player in his second year. WOW!
R U 100% sure it was Chip`s decision?
How so? Did Lurie tell you?
Chip has final say in roster. If it was Howie, chip could’ve stopped him.
Do you think, possibly. that all 3 thought the same thing?
Chp,Howie and Lurie?
Quick “poll”… is it fair or not to consider this season another ‘rebuilding year’?
Yes. We were 4-12 a year ago. We made good progress, but if we are honest, we got a few lucky bounces too. Next year was when I expected us to see a competitive team. I’m not going to move the goalposts just because I was pleasantly surprised last year.
When we still had DeSean? Not really. Now? Yes.
My expectations for this year haven’t really changed. I don’t think that losing Desean is going to have the dramatic impact that people anticipate.
We will both be wrong when Momah moons us fans for doubting his ability.
I think we will replace Desean’s production by committee.
I’m also surprised how little people think of Jeremy Maclin. Dude isn’t chopped liver. DSJ posted a career year in Chip’s system, I see no reason why Maclin wouldn’t also be primed for his best season yet, especially with the QB position likely settled.
Agree that nothing’s changed. We’re still two drafts and an off season from being elite. Assuming the drafts and off season go better than the last several days.
I actually think we’re 1 good draft away. If we repeat a quality one like 2012/2013 I think we’ll have a core of guys who can make us contenders for the foreseeable future, at least until we start losing people to FA. Not that I’d complain about 2 good drafts :).
I’m not sure we can get enough impact players, given the few picks we have. I do expect them to trade down in the 1st…assuming someone wants to trade up…so that should get us another 3rd rounder. Still, if they hit on half, and that’s the draft equivalent of batting .350, we’ll be getting close.
Yeah, the one thing I don’t think we’re going to get this year that will be a need in future drafts is stud pass rusher. I’m not a huge fan of any of the guys who will likely fall to us at 22, and later picks obviously yield a lower probability. It’s a shame no stud pass rush FA’s who made sense for us this year, would have been the perfect time to grab a blue chipper at that position.
Agree. If we can’t grow one…the way the Steelers have done…it is our #1 FA concern next off season.
As a senior in high school living in Northern Virginia, a mere 15 minutes away from the Redskins facility, my life has been terrible since Friday. Everyone in my classes is a Redskins fan, and I’m just being mocked for supporting a team with an incompetent organization who released a Pro Bowl talent (go figure) Talks of Skins to the Super Bowl have run rampant, and it sucks Native American dick. Guess calling the Redskins the LOLskins has finally come back to bite me.
But some things never change.
Daniel Snyder is an terrible owner. DeSean is a diva and apparently has gang connections. The Redskins playoff season percentage is crap. Skins fans are still full of themselves, just like they were about RGKnee last offseason. The Redskins can’t draft to save their life. And to top it off, this all has to be controlled by a first year head coach.
Hopefully the Redskins keep being the Redskins. Please, for my mental health well being.
Stay strong man, with Dan Snyder at the helm its only a matter of time before they implode and have to start over… again.
Hang in there. My father was from NVa, and I had to put up with him singing “Hail to the Redskins” around the house. That’s worse than a few punks at school.
Don’t worry bud I am in the area too. The best thing about Redskins fans is how stupid they are. More than half of them honestly believe that they have a very good chance at winning a Super Bowl every single year.
Ask your buddies why it is that they can’t home grow a pro bowl player.
Unfortunately, logic does not appeal to Redskins fans.
Did you see DJ’s comments that he thinks RGIII should take the number 3 and he can get 10 and that we will have to see how it works out? You are going to have front row seats for the train wreck.
When your friends talk about the SB, just smile and say, “we’ll see.”
Oh boy hadn’t seen that. I am going to miss his play making here, but man is he dumb. He is going to fit right in with Skins fans.
All they need do is sign Vince Young, he then can proclaim ” Dream_____ . ………..can’t bring myself to type it
Who cares what the native american fans think. Implosion is just a few games away at any given time. Not worried enough, we will see, this is on maclin. Can he create the extra room we will need?
As to the gang affiliations being a reason for DeSean’s release and Sherman insinuating the Eagles are a “racist” organization for the timing of his release I think one fact is being overlooked. The Eagles just signed an African American man with a criminal record, albeit minor, in Jason Peters to a sizable contract extension. I think this points to locker room and field related issues as a main reason for Jackson’s release and not the off the field stuff so much.
That is not the nature of racism. Just because someone or organization does all that stuff does NOT mean they are NOT racist.
I know this might sound crazy but elite Pro Football player are exceptional people. They are a scarce resource. What I am saying is if you are exceptional the normal rules don’t apply. Peters is a top 5 tackle, he earned that extension. If the Eagles had not signed him, someone else would have.(even with a minor criminal record)
I wasn’t trying to imply that the Eagles weren’t racist, which I don’t think they are as I think the whole gang thing was over blown, I was more trying to say Sherman is looking solely at the Jackson situation when making his claim about the Eagles organization. I was more trying to say that I think the Eagles are willing to overlook off the field issues, as with Peters troubles, if the player is a good locker room presence and buys into the system. I really do not think the Eagles would have resigned Peters if he showed the same issues, skipping meetings and the like, as DeSean no matter the talent level.
Why does anyone trust chip or Howie? What have they done this year to make the team better? They tell you lies like scheme fit or culture when they want to be cheap.If they (FO)wanted to win then you put some talent on your back end don’t think I’m a dumb fan and say Ward or Byrd don’t fit your system when your being cheap.They have done nothing to help the D.With that offense and adding maclin and sprowels.All they had to do was put talent on D and your a contender. Now you get rid of Jackson where is the commitment to winning. Were not that far but with no addition to the defense and departure of Jackson and that schedule we got don’t look good we got worse. But who cares until the fans stop filling the stands. And believing those stories they tell why not
They don’t actually save any money by releasing Jackson as the CBA requires that teams spend a certain % (89% I believe) of available salary cap over a 4 year span. Also, the Eagles are perennially one of the highest spending teams in the league. So there’s that.
Of course they save money by releasing Jackson. They save cash, and they save cap. And they’re nowhere close to the salary floor so it’s not even a consideration for them.
The point is that the cash they save isn’t just being deposited into Lurie’s giant piggy bank, due to the minimum cash spent floor, even if it is saved for today, at some point it has to be spent.
Yes. The Eagles are not cheap, and I never meant to imply that. When I say it’s about money, it’s about *how* (not *whether*) they choose to allocate resources.
? 1..Because he took a 4-12 team, said nobody is given a job that doesn`t work for it, and we a well disciplined,fast paced winning team as a result. When Vick performed well enough to start, he did.CK designed the offense to take advantage of Vick`s strengths.Down goes Vick, in comes Foles.Offense doesn`t skip a beat,cause CK played to Foles` strengths And the fast paced,well disciplined offrnse kept on winning.
?2. Team has added a good rb/receiver,a couple special teamers,a few defensive backs and released someone that clearly was not playing for the Eagles (he was playing for himself only; at the expense of the team)
Don`t quite know what lies you`re discussing.
So… the O got better,the D got better and the ST got better.
The draft has yet to happen, and FA is not over.
The Eagles have conducted their business much the same as any other team. They prefer to keep dirty laundry in-house. Throughout the off season so far, they have commented almost entirely only on their own signings. They have brought in several free agents who are potentially better than some players already on the team, and it is still early.
Title of thread is Venting. Is this about Paplebon?
Don’t get me started Andy! I can deal with DeSean. But that loser SOB should have been GONE!!!!!!!!
Got retweeted by Lombardo. Not gonna lie. Feels good.
RAJ <<< Paplebon
Send both their asses packing. I’ll carry their bags.
too soon andy, too soon
At this point, my biggest concern is how the organization is perceived by other players. The gang tie issue is a common issue with many NFL players. Will players now cross Philadelphia off their list of places they will play because of this?
dortmund trikot 2014
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