4 QBs, 3 Spots?

Posted: June 10th, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 97 Comments »

The Eagles held an open practice on Monday. Fourth string QB G.J. Kinne got some praise.

First up, PE.com.

Two of the standout plays from Monday’s Organized Team Activity at the NovaCare Complex were an on-the run, across-the-body pass to Jordan Matthews over the middle and a perfectly placed deep ball that floated over the shoulder and into the arms of James Casey down the left side of the field. The two pristine passes had one thing in common – they both originated from the right arm of G.J. Kinne.

“Y’all are just here once a week, but that’s every day,” Kinne said after practice with a laugh. “I try to do that every day.”

A former standout at the University of Tulsa, Kinne originally signed with the Eagles last March. He was then signed to the Eagles practice squad last October after being released as part of the team’s final round of cuts heading into the regular season. Entering his second year in Philadelphia, the athletic quarterback, equipped with an added year of experience, is ready to take on 2014.

“I feel great,” Kinne said. “I can’t wait to get these next few OTAs and minicamp going and then go home, work on my craft a little bit and get ready for the preseason. I’m really excited to show everybody what I’ve got.

“Last year, all I did was study, study, study over that whole (offseason) break. This year I’m still studying, but I can work on some other things, physically more than mentally, just because I know the offense so well. I’ve been through it so many times and I just feel really good about it.”

Chip Kelly had Kinne and all of the members of the Eagles practice squad accompany the team on all road-trips in 2013, something that the Eagles had not done in previous years. That hands-on approach, along with a strong group in the quarterback room, seems to have gone a long way for the 25-year old signal caller.

“I feel so comfortable,” Kinne explained. “All that experience last year of being able to travel to the games, being on sidelines charting the plays, working with Nick (Foles) and (former quarterbacks) Coach Lazor and (Michael Vick) – He taught me so much. We have similar styles of play, so it really helped me watching both of those guys and I just feel really good going into this minicamp.”

Much of the attention surrounding the Eagles’ backup quarterback job has centered on Mark Sanchez and Matt Barkley, leaving Kinne out of the conversation. But Kinne isn’t concerned with how the depth chart is perceived or how many snaps each quarterback takes in practice. Instead, he’s solely focused on getting better every day, and it doesn’t hurt matters that he’s able to learn from a friend and fellow Texas native.

“Me and Nick were the same class coming out, (we’re both from) the same area, so we knew all about each other coming out (of high school),” Kinne said of working with Foles. “We’re best friends on the field and off the field, so it makes it so much easier. When he’s out there I help him and when I’m out there he helps me … I just go out there and I get to learn from one of the best quarterbacks in the league, a Pro Bowl quarterback, so that helps.”

Before you dismiss that as team fluff, there are other reports to check out.

From Jeff McLane.

— Barkley has had his struggles, along with some fine moments, but he hasn’t had nearly the same number of opportunities as Foles and Sanchez. Not only is he with the third team, but he’s splitting many of the repetitions with G.J. Kinne. It’s difficult to make any bold statements about competition at this point, but Kinne has looked more efficient, in my humble opinion. The Eagles aren’t likely to give up on a fourth rounder like Barkley, but he isn’t going to be handed a roster spot. Barkley made it fairly clear two weeks ago that he didn’t like starting OTAs behind Sanchez. He isn’t likely excited about having to split snaps with the undrafted Kinne. Let’s see how he responds.

The Eagles still have high hopes for Barkley, but it sure sounds like he is off to a slow start in the OTAs. Barkley isn’t happy about being the #3 QB and also getting limited reps, but that’s life in the NFL. His pedigree as an elite QB in high school and college doesn’t mean anything on the field. You play how you play.

I think Barkley will be just fine in time, but he’s not used to having to battle like this. McLane’s final line really is the key. “Let’s see how he (Barkley) responds.”  This could end up bringing out the best in Barkley or it could hurt his development. The worst thing he can do is try to do too much. The coaches want him to be smart and accurate. Barkley will hurt his chances if he starts focusing on big plays and gets sloppy.

I am glad to hear that Kinne is making the most of his chances. In a fantasy world, he would spend this year on the practice squad and then take over the #3 role next year, with Barkley as the primary backup. That would give the Eagles 3 young QBs.

I think Kinne fits the Eagles system and he certainly seems to have the intangibles to be a longtime backup QB. Now he’s just got to show that he’s got the talent to seriously push for a roster spot. Kinne has to make the Eagles want to keep him around, whether on the roster or for another year on the practice squad.

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Here is some good O-line stuff from Sheil Kapadia.

12:27 – Remember growing up when you would have a teacher who just somehow managed to see everything? I think Stoutland is that guy on this coaching staff. He’s got the offensive linemen split into five lines (three deep). He instructs them to take a “power step” and jam their foot in the ground.

According to long-time offensive line coach Larry Zierlein, a power step is a “flat, aggressive, inside step with the post foot. It is intended to take away inside rush lanes.”

Stoutland somehow manages to watch everyone at the same time, correcting Andrew Gardner and praising undrafted free agent Donald Hawkins.

If you’re wondering about the second-team OL during this drill, here it is from left to right: Matt TobinAllen BarbreJulian VanderveldeMichael Bamiro and Dennis Kelly.

12:33 – Jason Kelce and Evan Mathis both have their helmets off. Mathis’ hair is soaked throughout. Kelce’s seems dry. How does this happen? Does Mathis sweat more? Did he pour water on his head? Is Kelce missing a specific gene?

Don’t worry, we have all of training camp to get answers to these important questions.

One thing to note on offensive line calls. The Eagles use a number system to label the different calls. And on packaged plays, they don’t need to know what the quarterback’s options are (handoff, keeper, bubble screen, etc.). They block it up the same way regardless. In other ways, inside zone is inside zone to them. If Nick Foles throws a bubble screen, that’s irrelevant to the linemen.

Being at football practice is visually overwhelming, even if you go on a regular basis. There are so many things to look at. But Sheil is right about some coaches and their ability to still see everything. Those guys are amazing.

The right side of the #2 OL scares the heck out of me. Really curious to see how Bamiro and Kelly play this summer.

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Brandon Lee Gowton had good notes on a couple of UDFAs.

• Rookie undrafted free agent tight end Blake Annen struggled with some drops in a tight end drill today. The drill involves Eagles assistant tight end coach Justin Peele throwing passes at the tight ends while they’re facing away from Peele. They have to turn around and catch the ball as it’s already in the air.

• Speaking of rookie undrafted free agents, offensive guard Karim Barton stood out to me during Eagles offensive line drills. Barton is listed at 6-2 but I’m not sure he’s quite that tall. He’s stout and strong and I’ve been impressed with his footwork at times. Could be practice squad material.

Annen is an athlete with potential. He needs a lot of work.

Barton was measure at 6023, or just under 6-2 1/2. Not ideal size, but certainly okay.

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I want to go back to Jeff McLane’s notes for a couple of interesting comments by him.

— I don’t think I’ve seen Matthews drop a pass yet, and he’s gotten plenty of action as a slot receiver with both the second and third teams. As I wrote last week, Matthews likes to run out many of his catches into the end zone, but it may not be what Kelly is looking for when the Eagles offense is in up-tempo mode. On one catch-and-run, he had to be replaced because he couldn’t get back to the line in time for the next play. Matthews has easily been Sanchez’ favorite receiver. The quarterback will often run to his receiver after a big catch and give up a chest thump. I sense a bromance in the works.

— If Sanchez isn’t looking for Matthews downfield, he’s had Darren Sproles underneath. Many of Sproles’ touches during these drills have been on running plays. He’s the second team running back, and practice requires that he employs the role of LeSean McCoy’s backup, but Sproles’ chief job this season will be as a pass catcher out of the backfield.

— The following five fielded punts and have done so for the last two weeks – Sproles, Damaris Johnson, Maclin, Riley Cooper and Matthews. The same group also fielded kickoffs. Sproles will likely handle both duties this coming season. Kelly has been as omnipresent as ever during special teams drills. He spent a good part of punt drills near the returners as he typically did last year. For all the time he spent on special teams last season – more than most teams, according to various accounts – it had to be disappointing when the Eagles had a number of breakdowns at various points. It happens, but Kelly obviously felt there was room for improvement and went out and tried to upgrade (e.g. Chris MaragosBryan Braman, et al.).

While it was cool to read about Matthews running the ball down the field last week, how this would work with Kelly’s practice tempo. Apparently, it doesn’t work well. I’d rather have Matthews getting extra reps than simply showing he’s willing to hustle.

Great point about Kelly and STs. Chip spent a ton of time with those guys last year and still got mediocre results. There is more talent to work with this year. Maragos and Braman are the big names. You also have Marcus Smith. Jason Phillips could help if he’s able to make the team. Brad Smith made some impact after he was signed last year. Taylor Hart could be a good STer. Nolan Carroll was added in part for his ability on STs.

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Finally, speaking of Carroll…he had an INT yesterday and got good reviews from several writers. It sounds like he has been exactly what the Eagles wanted. Carroll is a good #3 CB for the outside and is someone that could push the starters in Training Camp.

This isn’t a hype machine to make Carroll into Sherman-Revis stuff, but the guy has started some NFL games and has had some success. He’s not a Roc Carmichael or Curtis Marsh project. Carroll has a legit track record. Whether he does seriously challenge for a starting role or simply is a backup, the Eagles needed depth at CB and he sure seems like a good pickup so far.


97 Comments on “4 QBs, 3 Spots?”

  1. 1 Sconces said at 8:36 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    Some thoughts:

    I wonder if Kinne can stay in the pocket. His two preseason throws were awesome and you said he made an across the body throw yesterday, but I think if he wants a shot at making the team he needs to stay in the pocket more often.

    The right side of the o-line scares me too, but I love the way Chip composed his depth last year. Barbe backs up a number of spots, Vandervelde can play anywhere on the inside, and Tobin I’m really high on and can play both tackles. Dennis Kelly was on the roster too, but I thought that was pointless. Basically when you have versatile backups it leaves open more roster spots. Tobin/Vandervelde/Barbre should really be all we need with Bamiro going back to PS.

    If a rookie TE impresses, how much money do we save at this point in the year cutting Casey? I like him but is special teams really worth that money?

  2. 2 GEAGLE said at 9:00 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    Casey isn’t going anywhere

  3. 3 Sconces said at 9:38 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    That’s a solid argument.

  4. 4 GEAGLE said at 9:48 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    No argument… Reality. He will be here in september

  5. 5 Sconces said at 9:51 AM on June 10th, 2014:


  6. 6 GEAGLE said at 9:52 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    Again… Reality, not argument lol

  7. 7 D3FB said at 12:55 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Casey won’t go anywhere this year because as we saw down the stretch last year, Chip wants to run more 12 personnel. Annen and Burton are both interesting UDFA types with decent shots at making the team or practice squad but neither is ready to play much if at all this season. So if Brent or Zach got hurt Chip wouldn’t have formation flexibility. Cutting Casey would give you $2 million in cap space but would also cause $2million in dead money. Is he a bit of an expensive insurance policy if his snaps don’t go up? Sure, but that’s why you buy insurance, because you’re house probably won’t get destroyed by a Tornado, but if it does, you’re sure glad you had it.

  8. 8 GEAGLE said at 1:41 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Not to mention we would have already cut him by now….

    Think there is a better chance at Casey providing more then fans are expecting then their is of him getting cut…

    Dude is a fantastic ST player, signed on to be an offensive weapon and was relegated to the bench, didn’t complain about it, kept working til we started to call his number more in crunch time at the end of the season… Why would we want to cut someone like that? Especially since I suspect, he was battling thru an ankle injury longer than we realize… Why else would everyone be raving about how great he looks this year? Doesn’t strike me as the type to get paid and become fat and lazy, so why didn’t he look great last year? Bet that injury lingered more than they let on… Chip is super secretive about injuries
    I also don’t understand why fans would rather see the eagles save 2mil, then have a quality insurance policy? We are fine under this years cap..cutting him now, doesn’t do anything for the 2015 cap… So fans should shut up, and appreciate that we have such a capable insurance policy when we are planning on making a playoff run, who btw, happens to be a beast on ST

  9. 9 GEAGLE said at 2:37 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    At today’s press conference a reporter started his question saying you have a geat blocking TE in Celek, with a great young pass catcher like Ertz… Chip interrupted and said “don’t forget Casey, another great TE”

  10. 10 Sconces said at 3:48 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    I didn’t see any indication of Chip looking to move to 12 personel, and cutting Casey would give $4 million in cap space with a $2 million penalty

  11. 11 D3FB said at 4:28 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    We played alot more 12 personnel down the stretch. The offense had 1128 plays last year. Celek had 864, Ertz 459, and Casey 157. That’s 131.2% of offensive snaps. Ertz saw more snaps down the stretch, and Casey didn’t really play until the last six games or so of the season.

  12. 12 Sconces said at 4:38 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Avant’s snap count didn’t change at the end of the year

  13. 13 D3FB said at 4:40 PM on June 10th, 2014:


  14. 14 Sconces said at 4:43 PM on June 10th, 2014:


  15. 15 D3FB said at 5:28 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Lets look at the first four weeks and last five weeks of the regular season by percentage of snaps played by position group:
    Week 1:
    WR: 285% TE:115%
    Week 2:
    WR: 280% TE: 120%
    Week 3
    WR: 284% TE: 114%
    Week 4
    WR: 270% TE: 130%
    Week 5

    Week 13
    WR: 254% TE:146%
    Week 14
    WR: 245% TE: 153%
    Week 15
    WR: 283% TE: 117%
    Week 16
    WR: 238% TE: 160%
    Week 17
    WR: 243% TE: 155%

    Conclusion: The Eagles played more TE’s down the stretch. Them’s the facts. WR 250% TE 150%, translates to roughly half of the time the team is in 12. personnel. Week 15 is an outlier on the backend (Vikings game) because we were behind basically the whole game and trying to come back, ergo we would naturally use more receivers.

  16. 16 GEAGLE said at 9:07 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    Hoping 2 of the 3backups end up being quality backups…
    No idea what the future holds for Barkley…

    Think ST will be the best we have had in this city since that false prophet bobby “mr. Potato head” April was hired…Figure Braman, Maragos and Nolan All provide ST upgrades..add In Jason Phillips who was the ST ace we signed last year, and that’s 4 serious ST upgrades…Ed Reynolds will bring it on ST if he makes the roster.,Casey and Brad smith had a solid year
    We,expecting An explosive offense with a. Deep arsenal of pass catchers.. It be great if Casey and Brad emerge as two quality weapons that we aren’t accounting for in our offseason projections

    If our kickoff coverage can catch up to our punt coverage, and we start to get something out of the return game, it will really give us a boost this year

  17. 17 Jernst said at 9:16 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    I remember last year at training camp, albeit the one and only practice I attended, turning to my friend on multiple occasions and going who was that, referring to one of the QBs. Inevitably it was always GJ Kinne. Of the QBs last yr not named M. Vick he appeared to have the most physical skill. Note that this isn’t a slight on Foles. He had a bad day the day I went and really his physical skills are not what distinguish him on the field and especially in practice.

  18. 18 GEAGLE said at 9:18 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    Most important QB skill or QB talent is what’s in between a QBs ears..

    I despise this simplistic crap of defining QB talent by arms strength and how fast you can run… Every QB that makes this level can throw a ball in some capacity…the real talent is a QBs brain…not whether or not he can flick his wrist and throw a ball 70 yards
    FOles is one of the most talented young QB in the NFL, why? Because I’d take his brain over 90% of the young QBs

    The notion that Vick has more QB talent than FOles is a joke!!! Vick has more punt returner talent than Foles

  19. 19 Jernst said at 9:33 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    Couldn’t possibly agree more with you! Foles distinguishes himself where it matters. GJ Kinne flashes physical skills. I have no idea what he’s got going on between the ears.

  20. 20 ICDogg said at 9:42 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    Kinne sometimes just drops them in, Kurt Warner style. When he makes throws like that you can’t help but do a double take.

  21. 21 Buge Halls said at 9:51 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    But the key word in your statement is “sometimes”. Sometimes doesn’t work in the games. Foles is consistent. I don’t think we’ve seen enough of Barkley or Kinnie to make a judgement. Based on Sanchez’s record with the Jets, I’d have to say he’s a capable backup that can come in and win 2 of 3 if needed.

  22. 22 ICDogg said at 10:55 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    Yeah, I have no idea how consistent he is because he makes very few throws any time I’ve seen him. Plus, he’s not the only one I was paying attention to, so I probably didn’t notice his less impressive throws that I assume he also had.

  23. 23 Mac said at 10:11 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    I used to bull’s-eye womp rats in my T-16 back home. They’re not much bigger than two meters.

  24. 24 GEAGLE said at 9:46 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    The way fools talk about QB talent, you would think Jamarcus Russell is the best QB of all time

  25. 25 Trip Micali said at 11:02 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    “Soon we will be watching a rivalry between Luck and FOles… Colt vs. Eagles Super Bowl in the next two years… Bank it!”


  26. 26 GEAGLE said at 2:40 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    You do realize the offseason is all about assumptions? If we can’t predict or project then we can’t talk football from Febuary to august… But thanks fir whatever senseless video you posted under my comment

  27. 27 Trip Micali said at 6:07 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    I like to think it’s about the realistic individual potential and team expectations for this year. I’m looking forward to seeing what these guys can do, and trust me, I want a parade. To me, your assumption is on the level of a South St. fortune teller. There’s not much to discuss.

    Oh yeah, thanks for blatantly ripping off the point I made in the comment section of the last post.

  28. 28 GEAGLE said at 6:20 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Lol you assume I actually read your post.. Don’t flatter yourself 😉

  29. 29 Trip Micali said at 7:20 AM on June 11th, 2014:

    Having your mom read the comments for you still counts.

  30. 30 James Skip Carl said at 12:00 PM on June 11th, 2014:

    I think they have a kids page you can play on, it’s called BGN.

  31. 31 GEAGLE said at 9:17 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    Mathews needs to cut that crap out of taking every ball to the house in practice,,,word is, it drove our coaches crazy when Desean would make a catch and not hustle back to the line of scrimmage.. We get it Jordan! you work hard…. Now go focus on learning how to most efficiently run this crazy tempo offense

  32. 32 Buge Halls said at 9:52 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    I’m thinking he’s already been “talked” to by Chip. It’ll stop.

  33. 33 GEAGLE said at 9:53 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    If he hasn’t, I’m sure that convo will happen soon

  34. 34 GEAGLE said at 9:24 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    BG needs to GO! I’m not trying to lose a young talent like Travis long, so that we can keep BG as a one year rental…BG can’t wait to hit free agency. No reason why we should lose a young player to keep him for a year…
    Trade BG to the Niners for WR Jon Baldwin…LONGSHOT to make our roster but better than cutting BG and losing him for nothing… I don’t believe we can sneak Long on the practice squad

  35. 35 Sean Stott said at 12:00 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Strengthen an NFC rival for a nobody-longshot? No thanks.

  36. 36 GEAGLE said at 12:28 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    As opposed to cut Graham so a rival can sign him and get nothing? If you read what I posted, it’s about clearing a roster spot so we can keep a young talent we have under contract, instead of keeping BG who can’t wait to become a free agent..

  37. 37 A_T_G said at 7:06 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    But if you already have accepted that the guy you bring in will almost assuredly get cut, trade him to a weak team, not the 9ers.

  38. 38 D3FB said at 7:36 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    The problem is he’s a one year rental, who would be looked at as a rotational player. Weak teams wouldn’t value that.

  39. 39 A_T_G said at 8:13 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Weak teams SHOULDN’T value that. Of course if they made good decisions, they wouldn’t be weak…

  40. 40 JakFTW said at 9:09 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    So you are saying we should trade him to the Cowboys?

  41. 41 ACViking said at 9:53 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    Why isn’t Matthews — instead of running vertically toward the EZ after an imaginary tackle — running horizontally to where the Center (or imaginary Center) will line up to make the snap and putting the ball right there?

    Have the coaches not talked to him about this yet?

    I remember early last season, after OTAs and MTAs and TC, that LeSean McCoy had a devil of a problem remembering either to put the ball in the official’s hands or pitching the ball back toward the umpire at the hash mark — and Kelly, or Duce, pulled him out of a game. McCoy got the message finally.

  42. 42 Buge Halls said at 9:55 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    He’s young and still trying to impress. I’m sure they’ll work it out of him soon. Once he starts losing reps, he should get the idea.

  43. 43 ACViking said at 9:55 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    The sooner the better.

  44. 44 Tumtum said at 10:03 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    He also was quoted as saying this is something that he has done since middle school. I think it’s a great habit. Lets hope they channel him to the center though 😉

  45. 45 Ark87 said at 11:13 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    Just wanted to chime in on Matthews. Funny to hear the talk of the Matthews-Sanchez bromance. We talked about this, Matthews has successfully become Sanchez’s blanky, and is getting a ton of opportunities to show his stuff. If he can clean up this generally good yet situationally inconvenient habit he should break into the 1’s this summer. The kid has the ambition, doing everything in his power to get where he wants to be.

  46. 46 GEAGLE said at 1:36 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    If he is anything like MJ, I’ll take my chances :)..

  47. 47 Ark87 said at 3:13 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Would be a wonderful problem to have, hah

  48. 48 GEAGLE said at 3:20 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Yes sir… Kempski is tweeting about him looking like our best WR by far, and someone else tweeted that he hasn’t dropped a ball yet since the media has been at OTAs…

    I also hear that Brad Smith is looking like a pleasant surprise running with the ones,… Another nice problem to have

  49. 49 Anders said at 3:50 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Remember how good Avant always looked in shorts or how Damaris Johnson looked like a perfect fit in TC last year?

  50. 50 GEAGLE said at 4:19 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Lol Damaris is “turning heads” again this year

  51. 51 A_T_G said at 7:03 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    But why would he practice putting the ball on the field before he is tackled? Most coaches frown on that. He is practicing the right thing, catch the ball and turn up field. Chip just doesn’t want to spend time on that skill.

  52. 52 Tumtum said at 10:01 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    Interesting that you are so nervous about Kelly being the #2 RT. He was drafted for an offensive line that values athleticism, has the size that Kelly loves, and going into his 3rd season is *only* 24 (for the entire season). Not to mention the starting experience.

    Sure he must of struggled last year because he was inactive. Not everyone adapts to a completely new style of play the same way. Shoot, maybe he just didn’t find himself in the coaches favor due to lack of opportunity. Happens all of the time. Many thought (including you T-Law!) that he had a fair chance to start the season at RT while LJ adjusted. For whatever the reason he found himself low on the pecking order last season, I am now happy to see him at 2nd team RT. I get excited about that. He is someone that eases my concerns about not adding linemen in the draft.

    The area that concerns me is still returns. Very interesting that they would be willing to use a vet like Sproles there, who figures to play a ton on offense, but not Smith, who may or may not get reps on O.

  53. 53 CrackSammich said at 10:28 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    Dennis Kelly had back surgery last year if I remember correctly. That would explain why he was inactive after the fact. I’m pretty optimistic about him as well.

  54. 54 Tumtum said at 12:35 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Somehow I have not heard about that. He certainly did though.


  55. 55 austinfan said at 10:43 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    Some thoughts:

    Neither Sanchez or Barkley are assured a roster spot, Kinne will get a fair shot of replacing either one. Sanchez is a real question mark with his accuracy, and Barkley with his arm strength, with Kinne the tools are there, it’s a matter of experience. Chip has no emotional attachments here.

    OL depth is a worry, Vandervelde is atheltic but lacks strength, Molk was a great college player but is only a center in the NFL and may be a little small, Bamiro is huge but still very raw, Kelly has shown he’s not a good bet at OG though he has potential at RT, Tobin is probably better suited to OG. It would have been nice to have brought in some real talent this offseason, I think it’ll be a priority next offseason, starting in free agency.

  56. 56 Ark87 said at 11:04 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    I think this will come down to the preseason. Practice is great to see physical tools and all, but for my money I’m looking for composure and decision making when surrounded by people trying to bury you. I just need to know my back up won’t come into the game and do something stupid to lose the game.

  57. 57 JakFTW said at 11:32 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    Man I won’t pretend to be an expert on any of these QBs, but as I was reading your post I couldn’t help thinking… buttfumble.

  58. 58 Ark87 said at 11:37 AM on June 10th, 2014:

    Exactly, trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but, stuff like that will always be in the back of my mind. That Jets’ offense was a mess before and after Sanchez, so, I’m trying to keep an open mind, but it is reaaaally hard. Won’t lie, I didn’t like the signing at all and I hope I’m wrong.

  59. 59 GEAGLE said at 1:33 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Doubt he has gotten to enjoy this level of offensive coaching, in a scheme that’s very QB friendly… I hate talking good about that frat boy, but in terms of a veteran backup, it’s tough to do better then him..
    He could be a pleasant surprise as a backup that is.. Dudes praise Kyle Orton like the Montana of backups, Sanchez can def be better than that dude. I have more faith in coaching up STANKchez than Barkley

  60. 60 TheRogerPodacter said at 1:49 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Sanchez seemed to do OK (just OK, not any better) when he was in a run-heavy offense and didn’t have too many responsibilities.
    he comes here to a run-heavy offense that asks the qb to do a little more. i’m hoping that little more is what he needed this whole time to be a ‘solid’ qb…

  61. 61 Maggie said at 3:39 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    You’ve never watched the old Football Follies have you? Quarterbacks have run into the back of their linemen more than once. Just as QBs with a lot on their minds have stuck their hands under a guard’s butt more than once.

  62. 62 TheRogerPodacter said at 1:47 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    has that one guy who visited us for OG been signed? it was Darren Colledge (Sp? i think there is a ‘y’ in there somewhere lol).

    i wonder if he is a potential target depending on how our depth plays out over the summer.

  63. 63 D3FB said at 2:42 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    He’s still a free agent. I doubt we have much interest, he’s 32 so and has played a decent amount, so probably doesn’t have a ton of tread left on the tire. Also some of the Cardinals draftniks wouldn’t take him back if they were personally payed, so he was pretty bad, on a bad OL.

  64. 64 GEAGLE said at 2:43 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    When are the June cuts?

  65. 65 D3FB said at 3:22 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    The June 1st cuts? 9 days ago? Teams can designate 2 players as June 1st cuts prior to that date though so it’s no longer much of a factor.

  66. 66 GEAGLE said at 4:18 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    So no one major got axed this year? Remember juicy veteran names would always get cut this time of year,, it used to function as a second free agent market of sorts… When did that end? Was it because of the new CBA?

  67. 67 shah8 said at 1:19 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    We talkin’ ’bout OTAs, y’all…

  68. 68 P_P_K said at 1:58 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    The Phillies stink, the Sixers are done, we need something to talk about.

  69. 69 shah8 said at 2:16 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Yeah, really boring.

    I was watching game two of the NBA Finals, and realized that I cannot enjoy it as I should, because I don’t know the fine points of the game anymore, compared to even when I was a kid watching Shawn Kemp and even earlier, Dominique Wilkins.

    I can’t keep up with the games when they are all on cable, even the home team, so I can’t follow players like I can for football. There are way too many games in baseball, and they, too, are mostly on cable. I do not consider cable service valuable in the aggregate, so… I also do not like the idea of streaming crappy resolution of games from the internet. Football has few enough games that it’s not that much of a pain (shady sites, old computer resources, etc).

    /end old fart complaints

  70. 70 P_P_K said at 7:38 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    I have a buddy who watches every single Phillies game. Talk about a loyal fan, or a glutton for punishment. Keep an eye on the Sixers. They have two top ten picks and the Rookie of the Year. Even us old school guys might be excited at their style of play next year.
    In the meantime, watch the clock slowly aging the Giants and Cowboys out of all contention.

  71. 71 GEAGLE said at 1:30 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    On Malcolm Jenkins: “he was the number 1 guy we were looking at in free agency”

    On Jordan: “I’m really excited about him, but he still acts like a rookie lol”

    Boss Hog Fletch Cox in studio with Spads

  72. 72 eagleyankfan said at 1:54 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    I’m hoping in future interviews that reporters will keep asking about who’s lining up and with what group. It’s a great question that I’ll assume reporters stay up all night to come with such great stuff.
    Do you think it hits them in the middle of the night where the wake up in a cold sweat and yell “someone get me a pen and paper because I have a GREAT question to ask”?

  73. 73 GEAGLE said at 2:09 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Lol like I don’t even understand the rational behind asking about the depth chart…it’s the 8th day of OTAs.. Right now they aren’t even competing. This time is about getting all the players up to speed, so that they can compete during training camp…every single day, 3 bonehead media members will waist one of the few questions they get to ask Chip, on this worthless depth chart crap…

    It’s not rocket science, Chip said today he is trying to get 3 plays per minute on film.. The guys who know the offense the best at this point in time will play with the ones, the guys who are still learning will be with the 3’s… WTF is so complicated about this concept, that these morons continue to ask Chip this nonsense?

  74. 74 eagleyankfan said at 2:28 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    I finally remember a question that’s been bugging me. Chip says he gets plays of film. Does he take that practice film and show the players what’s right/wrong so it can be applied at the next go around? Do other camps film their practices too(and teach) in this manner?
    I liken that theory(sort of) when I coach little league. Parents yell all the time. I have to remind them that we can’t “teach” during games. Teaching occurs at practice.
    Sounds like Chip doesn’t stop practice to teach. Or am I reading that wrong?

  75. 75 GEAGLE said at 2:34 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Yes, after every practice session, coaches review that days film with the players in class rooms… Not sure how everyone else does it, but this is how Chip operates…

    They always review that days footage with players in a classroom before they go home
    This is why Chip tries to get 3 plays on film per minute.l they try not to stop the other 10 players because one guy did something wrong…which is also why he starts rookies out with the 3rd string… Wouldn’t be fair to the 10 returning first string guys who would have to slow down so they can teach the rook…

    What we do on the field is all about getting it on film, so we can later that day, do the teaching in the class room(film review)

  76. 76 D3FB said at 2:52 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    I’m fairly certain most coaches at have all practices filmed, typically because you can’t watch everybody at once, it gives you a better sense of spacing etc.
    The thing that Chip does different is breaking practice down into teaching periods and “playing” periods. So there will be a ten minute teach period, the music goes off, and the OL will go work on hand placement in pass pro, the WR will go do technique work for getting in/out of breaks, and so on. These periods will be more hands on coaching.
    However the thing Chip does different is during “playing” periods, 7v7, 1 on 1 pass pro, inside run, and 11 v. 11, he won’t stop between plays. The line blows a protection? The corner and safety miscommunicate a coverage? A back reads his blocks wrong? Doesn’t matter. Rather than go yell at the player, set the play up again and waste a couple minutes to straighten it out, Chip prefers to wait until they get to watch the film later that day. It’s better to be able to run 50 plays versus 20 and then just make the corrections during film.

  77. 77 eagleyankfan said at 7:42 AM on June 11th, 2014:


  78. 78 GEAGLE said at 2:41 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Where are you seeing a Jenkins interview.?

  79. 79 eagleyankfan said at 7:41 AM on June 11th, 2014:

    pft…not a video…

  80. 80 eagleyankfan said at 1:51 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    great read!!

  81. 81 GEAGLE said at 2:32 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Alex Henry says he has been working on getting his leg stronger…Chip said he has seen some evidence of this already, but kicking won’t be decided til preseason because they aren’t allowed to rush the kickers now or do anything..basically kickers are just hitting shots at a driving range for now…
    I’m baffled as how a coach who is as thorough as Chip, and values ST so much would go into another season with Alex as the kicker…..I must be missing something because Chip ain’t the type to get caught with his pants down like Andy going into a season with no punt returners

  82. 82 D3FB said at 2:57 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Who was out there though? Change just for the sake of change isn’t Chip’s MO.

  83. 83 Anders said at 3:13 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Because as we saw last year with the likes of Nate Allen, Riley Cooper etc. people cant improve EVER.

  84. 84 eagleyankfan said at 7:41 AM on June 11th, 2014:

    your point is good one, until you threw in Nate’s name. You must have been caught up in the moment…..

  85. 85 Insomniac said at 3:38 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Obligatory “We should have signed Kickalicious” comment here. I hate Henery but even I admit that he’s the best option we have right now.

  86. 86 Anders said at 3:13 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Funny you say that because Kelly lost the national championship because of a bad kicker.

    Also is Henery really so bad to invest in? He is the most accurate college kicker of all time, its not like he is some bum who cant kick (aka murderleg)

  87. 87 GEAGLE said at 3:17 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Hopefully investing in him pays off… I know nothing about kicking nor do I even pay attention to the drunken idiots, but I’d assume it’s easier to strengthen a leg then it is to improve accuracy so hopefully Alex can improve….knowing how thorough Chip is, hopefully we can turn Alex into a quality kicker

  88. 88 jshort said at 8:51 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Took Akers a couple years. Remember reading he developed an interest in judo during an off season. That seemed to help him the next year. If memory serves me right, that was around his 3rd season. I’m sure Henry has no intention of giving up his pay check. Doubt he sat on his ass during this off season

  89. 89 GEAGLE said at 2:04 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    God I love our media lol
    ..So the recent hooplah is about Kendricks calling the plays…of course we already began seeing the “end is near doomsday” articles about Demeco..

    Chip was asked about it today and looked at our media like they were nuts lol “Kendricks called the plays ONE day and that’s cause Meco wasn’t practicing lol”
    Also talked about how it’s a good idea to get Kendricks up to speed in case Meco rolls and ankle or something forces him to miss a game

    Meco has been here 3 summers, and every single summer this media craps all over him..
    1st it was Howie trading for a guy who was shot because of an Achilles..

    The next summer was. “Couldn’t possibly play in a 3-4”

    This summer, we talk about him like a 43yr old prize fighter who’s broken down and running on fumes lol yet the man will continue to lead us and play like a beast!!

  90. 90 Ark87 said at 3:23 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Kendricks got the wired helmet a few practices last year as well, it’s really no big deal. Smart, really.

  91. 91 GEAGLE said at 4:22 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Seems like having a contingency plan is probably a smart idea

  92. 92 A_T_G said at 6:48 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    That is twice in this thread where you quoted Chip as saying lol. I didn’t see the press conference, but he didn’t actually say that, did he? I am going to be disappointed if Chip is ending his answers to reporters with lol.

  93. 93 GEAGLE said at 7:56 AM on June 11th, 2014:

    You can assume I added the LOL

  94. 94 GEAGLE said at 2:48 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Kempski tweet that Henrey has been far better than ManslaughterLEG on kickoff!!! he had to be downgraded from Murderleg

  95. 95 A_T_G said at 6:45 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    So when Kinne said,”We have similar styles of play, so it really helped me watching both of those guys (Vick and Foles)….” it reminded me that I wanted to share with all of you that I just bought a new car. I don’t think you’d recognize the model name, but it is similar in style to both a Mini Cooper and and Caterpillar Wheel Loader.

  96. 96 AndyIs_The_Greatest said at 7:01 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Nice try. But still:


  97. 97 A_T_G said at 7:26 PM on June 10th, 2014:

    Wow, you used a captioned image of a cat to make your point for you? I am intrigued by this possibility for communications of my own…