Bad Game
Posted: September 28th, 2014 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 210 Comments »The Eagles lost 26-21. Regardless of the score, that was a bad game.
The Eagles made a ton of mistakes. Sloppy football is going to catch up with you at some point and that’s exactly what happened today. The Niners defense played well, but the Eagles offense had a lot of self-inflicted wounds. Chip Kelly didn’t call a good game. Nick Foles didn’t play well. The makeshift OL had a bad day. Zach Ertz fumbled the ball to SF and set up a short TD drive. Riley Cooper let the potential game-wining TD pass go through his hands. And on and on.
The good news is that as bad as the Eagles played, they were right there at the end of the game. The Niners made some sensational plays, especially the WRs, and they needed all of those big moments to win a slopfest.
Lane Johnson comes back to the NovaCare tomorrow and not a moment too soon. All the talent in the world doesn’t do you any good if the blocking up front isn’t good enough.
Don’t make too much of this loss. We don’t need to fire Chip Kelly, bench Foles or Shady McCoy or anything like that. Kelly and the coaches will work through the issues. The players need to eliminate the mistakes.
More on the game later.
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We so badly need our OL back. We can’t run effectively, so the D can tee off on Foles. He didn’t play well, but he was under pressure again all day.
The OL, especially the running game, has to get better or this season will go sour fast. We are a run first team. If we can’t run, we’re not going to do well.
And someone please tell LeSean to run North-South.
Been sick.
Arsenal drop points.
Eagles give me this.
Fuck this weekend.
for me the cleveland indians get eliminated from the playoffs
penn state gets lit up by fucking northwestern
eagles went ahead and let the niners look like the niners of old
i’ll 2nd your “fuck this weekend” motion
ugh #flag football
FIRE EVERYONE!
Ok maybe not, but I swear to god if this was TGI Fridays they’d clean out the whole crew and start fresh on Monday.
Parents visiting and I’m putting them up at Embassy Suites on JFK. We’re watching the game there and everything is clicking with fan mojo until halftime, when we popped downstairs to TGIF for dinner – they’ll have the game on. They seat us on the second level; my mother falls on the stairs – sore but unwilling to make a big deal – and I gulp hard as the 2nd half begins. TGIF ruined our meal and this game – I blame myself for leaving my lucky seat of course but I know it’s TGIFs fault. We’ll see if they clean house…
This would only be true if all the servers came by your table and dipped their willies in your soups.
Jesus, I am bitter about this game.
we wont the mistake contest.
they tried to give us this one over & over .. McCoy better stay humble
I hate everyone and everything right now
cary Williams the ghost of izell jenkins
I know he’s getting no blocking but is it just me or does shady look slow, small and weak this year…I think he lost too much weight
It’s like he’s afraid of contact.
He doesn’t look as sharp as last year even with the line injuries. He’s turned into Bryce Brown for some reason and tries to bounce everything outside looking for the homerun far to often.
i think it’s more the line than anything, hard to judge his performance so far
It’s not you. The guy refuses to go inside and take 3 or 4 yards. He constantly bounces everything AND THEN RUNS OUT OF BOUNDS. He is not right. The o line is horrible but Sproles at least turns it upfield and manages to get yards. That tells me shady is not.playing well.
“Riley Cooper let the potential game-winning TD pass go through his hands” is actually his full legal name.
The play calling in the goal-to-go situation, was too AndyReidesque.
yes sir, long developing pass play are no bueno
Riley has been a complete waste of human space this year…
The amazing thing is, as bad as the offense played, we made some plays to get down to the 2.
Chip & Nick almost stole this one. Which would have flipped the narrative 180 degrees.
Bad game. On to the next one.
Who are you, Nick Foles?
Jordan Matthews is gonna be awesome.
Taking the penalty on that 3rd down was nuts.
No reason for that at all
Kept waiting for them to show a shot of Andy or Marty on the sidelines after that. Unbelievably dumb.
Disagree. That was a smart decision. If the defense stops them there, it’s a 53 yard field goal, which it’s quite possible Dawson misses. A 43 yarder he hits 90%+ of the time. And if the 49ers convert, it’s likely they still only end up with a FG, only with a few extra minutes gone on the clock (which is exactly what happened). It didn’t affect the end of the game and if it had paid off all they would’ve needed was a FG at the end of the game. Gamble worth taking, no issue with it at all.
I think it was very unfair of chip to put his defense in that position. Those guys were gassed. Give them a chance to get off the field.
Agree. I was at the game and the TOP was extremely lopsided keeping the D on the field was a bad call. It was clear the DBs were tired (lot more penalties on the secondary).
They had a chance to get off the field. 3rd and 13 is a situation that usually results in getting off the field. The percentages were in favor of them getting off in better field position. It didn’t end up costing them any points, and could’ve paid off by preventing SF from scoring.
Chip’s job is to win games, not to be fair to the defense. He made the call he thought gave them a better chance to win. Again, no issue with that.
Let’s go Saints. Salvage the day.
For 17-0 as I read this. Awesome.
Maybe we’re just not able to win a game unless we are down by double digits at some point?
Damned defense and special teams screwed up the flow of the comeback.
Why would you not run the ball on third and goal from the 2 come on man
Not to quibble but it was the 1 1/2 yd. Line & on 3rd down the Niners backers were playing FOUR YARDS BACK fully expecting the pass. Chip will HATE himself for not calling a run on 3rd down. And the 4th down play could’ve easily been a TD if Shady had just PRETENDED to throw a block on that play. PATHETIC effort. Even Matt Forte would’ve made better effort. And he’s the absolute WORST blocking rob in the NFL.
We were also in shotgun. Even at 4 yards deep, LB’s beat the back to the line.
Basically I’m just more bitter than a lemon right now man. I’m not happy with alot of even coaching decisions at the moment. For instance, it’s admirable to stick with the run, but 3 qtr’s of 1 yard & a cloud of dust is too long. And I really think that the 4th down play COULD’VE been a TD if Shady made ANY attempt at a block & Foles wasn’t rushed. McCoy looked like Matt Forte on that block man. I guess I’m so upset because honestly it felt likevallvwe hadvtovdo was not completely SUCK on offense and we’re 4-0 right now.
I don’t understand McCoy’s shitty blocking either. It’s one thing not to be effective running right now, but damn. He was like a matador out there all game. Inexcusable. He’s way better than that.
I think that he may be suffering from slight concussion symptoms. He hasn’t looked or played right since that hit he took two weeks ago. They should have made him see a specialist. He was throwing up at practice last week or the week before. He’s thinking too much and not taking what is there. Don’t continue to bounce the ball outside. Just do the play as designed. I’ll take 2-3 yards versus 0 any day.
The OL will get better. Lane will be back. Tobin and Molk will be better. Todd will be more comfortable.
3-1 is not the end of the world. We’ve got STL and NYG. Time to re-establish the running game and pile up some wins.
I’m not sure the O-line will get much better, even with Lane coming back…looks alot like 2012 when we lost our o-line and went down hill fast…losing kelce and mathis really hurts oyr screen game and shady doesnt look like himself this year (toe?)…hipe i’m wrongbut i’m very concerned with the o-line.
I also wonder why Chip always tries to run so many runs wide right, when our best run lineman left is Peters….
problem with a scheme basee system and no playmakers. Does the scheme fall apart without the line? Frustrating bc game was sinkable. I’ve never seen a run game this bad.
everything falls apart when your down to 2nd & 3rd string o-line. Our O-line is more “athletic” for our screens and sweeps and their not able to do that right now with the backups, i’d rather they use Polk for the back when 1 or 2 yards are needed to score or move the chains….or use peters like the bears used “the fridgerator” Perry back in 1984….If your old enough to remember that…
Kelce and Mathis will be back. Just need Tobin, Molk, etc. to hold down the fort for 4-5 more games.
see above…
I agree…..we are not having too many problems on the ends of the line. It’s that middle that is the problem and will continue to be the problem until kelce and mathis get back. I’m just hoping that molk and tolbin can be serviceable and they get better acclimated to playing during the starters return. I also think that polk should see more reps in practice as the power back.
i’d rather they use Polk for the back when 1 or 2 yards are needed to score or move the chains….or use peters like the bears used “the fridgerator” Perry back in 1984….If your old enough to remember that…see more
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That’s what I’m saying. Short yardage/goaline stuff.
Not the time to be attempting to put the season in perspective
you see giants front 7? they’re not bad.
Chip looked like Andy today.
Bad OL play will make any coach look bad.
Gotta just put this one behind us.
Time’s yours…
Damn straight. I was saying the same thing. It had a Reid like feel to the game.
The whole week sucks when the Eagles lose.
Even if you only get the ball you can run again. Terrible play calling. I’m sick to my stomach loosing like that. Foles is getting his ass handed to him because of the line. And mccoy has nowhere to run. But he still could of got a damn yard or two on the goal line.
Exactly. Hell Foles could have gotten it.
I don’t understand why they don’t have more foles designed plays. Obviously, they don’t think that he is going to keep the ball on play action. I think that I’ve seen him pull it and run only one or two times thus far.
Foles did miss Maclin at least twice on deep throws but in no way is he the sole responsible party for the loss.
I didn’t say that he is the sole responsibility. I just said that I wish that he had more designed keepers for himself or had more confidence to get a couple of yards himself. The opposition doesn’t think that he is EVER going to keep it, that’s why they continue to crash down on McCoy. I think that he could keep it a few just to keep them a bit more honest.
He did gain like 25 against the Skins. I agree with you.
gotta question that $10m lots of peoole said djax not worth $10m he doesntshow up. devils advocate you gotta say the same.
How does that affect the play of the line?
lots of teams have poor quality lines but they figure a way to get more than 40 yds running in 2 games.
I get why Cary Williams got called for the block in the back… I don’t think he pushed but he did have both hands on the gunners’ back. But the damn holding call on 3rd down that took away Coles’ sack? I didn’t see anything to justify a flag. Am I wrong about this? I’m not looking to blame the refs because I saw bad calls on both sides and the Eagles had 3rd and goal from the 2 and couldn’t convert. The Eagles could have and should have won this game.
But that damn holding call sticks in my mind as bullshit.
Also… Riley Cooper is looking more and more like a one-year wonder.
I agree. I cannot get over that holding call. Contact about 1 yard off the line of scrimmage, but Williams never grabbed the guy and never had his jersey. That gave them four points,
There was some horrible officiating today in the NFL. This game was no exception.
My son is 11 and he announced at one point, “I can ref better than these guys!”
I’m gonna have a tizzy if Cooper lines up as the #2 next year.
I know there will be a lot of blame getting handout out this week. I wanted to address the elephant int the room. Clearly, some of you have been too polite to mention my comment from a month ago. Thank you, but let’s just get it out there:
The Bottom of the Roster
A_T_G • a month ago
I would rather they go lighter at OL for a few weeks and keep someone who they haven’t decided on than keep Kelly just until Lane returns. OLman don’t rotate and the odds of a rash of injuries in 4 weeks that leave us short handed is almost zero.
Big props to the special teams this week and last week…..Good Job Guys!!!!
You’re a goddamn prophet ATG.
I’m going to scarf down a box of cookies and eat the pain away.
nom nom nom nom nom
Bad game……the end……
not the end i need to vent!
First truly awful game called by Chip. I just don’t get the play-calling at times.
I had a feeling all week that we would lose this game, but certainly not in this fashion. It’s hard to fathom how our offense couldn’t muster a single point/td all game long. I get that we have a banged up line, but so too did San Fran and they ran with ease for the most part. This was also a team who’s defense was without many of their stars.
I don’t want to make too much from just one game, but this game was just really awful. That’s 2 games in a row that Shady was held to less than 25 yards. That’s a very pressing concern to me. The red zone offense woes continue.
Yep. Definitely think this was Chip’s worst game by far. It happens though. Hopefully learn from it & move on.
yep and kelly keeps doing those double fake screens that don’t work
foles does a terrible job selling. he doesn’t fake the first screen just does the auto pirouette. it’s a look they showed a lot in preseason and no one’s biting.
I really think this was Chip trying to put together something that would work with this backup OL — his first time really dealing with it this badly.
Failed experiments — not too worried.
Am I alarmed about Chip? No. Am I alarmed about Foles? No. Am I alarmed about Shady? Hell yes and for one reason: Shady truly is what makes (present tense hopefully still applies) Kelly’s offense special. Shady hasn’t just been mediocre this season. He’s been downright bad (as weird as that is to admit). Sure, a healthier OL would help him out, but there’s been tons of runs where I see an open lane and he bounces around it. His decision making isn’t there and his speed isn’t there either. I’m wondering if he’s going downhill already. Don’t bench him, but let’s give Polk some carries if Shady won’t get the job done, and see if that helps the running game out. I’m high on Polk and would like to see what he can do.
you are minimizing our patch work o line. it’s hard to be a productive RB when you have 3 niners already in the backfield before you even get handed the ball
id be more concerned with foles accuracy/health at this point
id play sanchize and let him take the beating. gotta be worried foles won’t be healthy by the time kelce/mathis get back.
So you’re going to compromise our chance to win the next few games by playing an inferior quarterback so our starter can sit out until the O line is healthy? Sorry, but that is insane, particularly for a team with playoff aspirations.
Sanchez isn’t inferior, I don’t think, but then you know I think that.
Is that you Levi from Overbrook Farms?
I, along with the career statistics of the two quarterbacks in question, disagree.
Sanchez is nothing better than a decent NFL backup. Foles is at least an average starter, and likely better than that.
There is a difference between a *bad* NFL starting QB, and *not* an NFL starting QB. Sanchez is a *bad* NFL starting QB. Nick Foles is *not* an NFL starting QB. The distinction is based on the tools. Foles cannot make a number of pass-types on any sort of consistent basis. Like with the deep balls. He was *always* inaccurate with the deep balls. He got around that (and so many sideline passes) by floating balls and deliberately underthrowing his targets. You can underthrow some of the time, but if the defense *knows* that you can’t lead a WR deep, they are going to have it in the back of their minds to truly never give up on a deep play and get their hips turned around. After the debacle at Minn, Foles stopped throwing most of those passes. He’s gotten a leetle better on sideline passes, but he doesn’t give his targets to run with the ball there, either. They have to stop and make sure to catch the ball.
Combine the not particularly good passing skills with the 5+ second 40 sort of speed (which makes him a permanent risk for injury, btw, not about zooming to TDs), that pretty much means that Foles is inevitably going to lose his starting job, no matter how much you really want him to start. I saw Q1,2,4 from Geno Smith today, and guess what–Q2, Q4, Geno did more, with less, compared to Foles. Geno last year, was a far superior raw passer (he can throw back shoulder no problem, for example) than Foles, and the question has always been about cleaning his game up. There is hope that the lows eventually goes away for the most part. You’ve already seen the highs for Foles, and I bet the whole Desean fiasco was largely similar to Percy Harvin blowing his top about Ponder.
When you have games where the offense score *zero* points, it’s pretty…concerning.
I can only agree with your last line. I hope this isn’t 2011.
I stopped reading this reply after the first sentence, because we’ve all heard Shah8 the QB guru hold forth on what makes an NFL starter a million times before.
Yes, Foles has holes in his game, but so does literally every other NFL quarterback, even Manning, Rodgers, etc. Chip Kelly has forgotten more about football than you or I have ever known and he’s decided to go with Foles as the starting quarterback, so I’m going to trust his judgment over yours.
i’m not being serious, but i am wondering how many hits can he take. rams front 7 is crazy. giants front 7 is good as well.
yeah i was thinking about the sanchise option midway through the game
It is hard, but on the plays when you do have an open lane, it’s on Shady to actually hit it instead of turning into Bryce Brown. I love Shady and am wearing his jersey as I speak now, but no one is beyond criticism. Not even him.
oh for sure, he needs stop fucking dancing and go north/south
Sorry, but it’s official – it is fair game to be concerned about Foles.
Agree on Foles. He has not looked good except for the Redskins game. There were opportunities for the eagles today Foles missed Cooper on a post pattern in the second half that was a TD.
Bad against the Jags and 49ers. Ok against the Colts and spectacular against the Redskins.
We’ve been waiting now for the “A” game after 4 games I’m tired of excuses. I put more blame on Chip for this loss. Accepting the offensive pass interference was a bad decision and it is borderline inexcusable to not attempt a run or play action out of a big formation at the 1 yard line.
i can’t understand how you cant ANY running game goes. On the flip side dallas looking like a playoff team.
The A game was the Redskins game. What more did you want from him in that game? What excuses did I make? I told you he was very meh. All I’m saying is don’t pull the plug. I live in Pittsburgh and get stuck watching Roethlisberger go through slumps all the time, yet the Steelers managed to luck out on 3 trips to the Super Bowl. You don’t need to be Peyton Manning. You just need to be good enough and get enough support around you. Foles is good enough. Where’s the support (cough, Shady and OL, cough)?
we aren’t built with a defense like that. or a power running game like that if the line is hurt.
Trust me. The Eagles run game last year was WAY better than any run game the Steelers have had since the Steel Curtain. All that “power run” talk is BS from loudmouth defensive coaches and talking heads who don’t know anything about offense. You’re right about the defense and it does need to improve, but my point is Foles has already been better than Big Ben at his peak. Let’s not downplay how good he can be. Don’t lose sight of that just because he is going through a slump.
we aren’t a ball control team. the run game is schemed vs just having lots of big guys beating up the other team’s line.
That has nothing to do with Foles’s performance. That’s all Shady and the OL. I fail to see why that’s relevant.
i’m saying we cant’ afford QB slumps b/c we don’t have a ball control power running game that can just dominate lines, especially right now and we don’t have a defense that can hold teams under 10pts a game.
If the Eagles had a “fast-tempo/gash-the-defense” zone running game that can just dominate lines, what’s the difference? No defense, not even Seattle, can hold teams under 10 pts game. The NFL is an offensive league and you win by this motto: “Score f-ing points.”
Not saying you’re making excuses, just in general. Foles overthrows concern me, maybe it is the lack of playing time in the preseason with Maclin and Cooper. But there are plays left on the field, and the pass blocking was not bad this game (as opposed to some of the prior games). I said this last year and towards the end of the season Chip started calling them more but I’d like to see more use of a lead blocker in the run game – Casey?
Completely agree with your points. And absolutely agree about Casey. Just think you’re exaggerating the level of concern we should have for Foles. I watch a lot of Steelers games and I see Ben play just like this every year in a lot of games.
Concerned, yes. Alarmed, no. He has bad games, but he still has good ones. In that sense, he’s like most starting NFL QBs. Plus, his ceiling is much higher than most.
1 all around good game against a team that made eli look like peyton. We needed 1 td from the offense and could’nt get it
What’s your point? Foles should be benched for the Butt Fumbler?
i thought about it only b/c foles getting beat down in last 3 games. will he stay healthy for 4-6 weeks? rather sanchize take the lumps.
That’s insane. Johnson’s back next week. We’re only down Kelce and Mathis (granted both are beasts). Teams lose starting OL all the time. I’m not willing to tank games just because 2 guys are injured for part of the season. The NFC East is there for the taking. The Eagles need every win they can get.
pressure was coming up the middle from my eyes. center and guard positions getting exposed. also no run game without guard positions and center blocking like studs.
agree no one in nfc getting separation. but gotta wonder who we can beat.
All true, but why does that mean Sanchez would be any better?
not saying he won’t be — saying i’d rather lose sanchize for the season than foles. it’s really not a serious thought, but am wondering about number of hits nick can take. should call vick about getting a flack jacket.
Dude I was at the game and Foles did not get beat down, I thought the OL actually pass blocked well considering the backups in there. Foles has been off he overthrew on several plays that could’ve turned the game around. I think Chip can help out with the play calls
looked on tv like he got hit a lot after the throw. maybe not.
The OL wasn’t great, but I don’t think it was as bad as people are saying. Foles missed open guys and that’s on him. Shady missed open holes and that’s on him.
Positives: Maclin is still a #1 receiver. We can get some pass rush after all. Still in it after playing a really sloppy game against a good team. So glad we got Sproles and Jenkins this year. No more injuries to the O-line and Lane coming back.
Negatives: Where would we be without Sproles and Jenkins? Offense shut down for the first time this year. Cooper is not a #2 receiver. Desperately need Kelce and Mathis back.
gotta find a way to scheme a running game. what about unbalanced line?
Our line is pretty unbalanced by default with these backups in
I liked Foles better when he took more sacks.
(a reposted paraphrase)
I think it’s time for Matthews to start taking over some of Cooper’s responsibilities. Getting sick & tired of seeing passes clang off or shoot through his hands.
yes! put cooper where he has a chance to succeed, in the slot
on the bench!
hahaha i don’t think he’s that bad, but if josh huff was healthy that might be in play
well he’s got the 5yr deal. so gotta get used to that.
Can someone explain why Foles keeps overthrowing Celek? Has Celek lost a step? Is Foles used to Ertz’s slightly faster routerunning? Last year Celek was consistently hit in stride, this year he’s slightly overthrown. Consistently.
to be fair foles is overthrowing everyone. he’s lucky as shit maclin made that one handed grab late in the game
dont get me started on maclin… sure, he’s made a bunch of plays the last two games but it’s a 50/50 chance he’s gonna run the right route. that makes it unnecessarily hard for a young qb.
How do you know if he is running the right route?
either he’s in the wrong place at the wrong time or foles has a bad grasp of the offence and Im betting on the guy that comes off as bright and intelligent in interviews.
Or the fact that when foles and maclin miss badly, maclin is frequently seen saying my bad.
That wasn’t just luck. It was a very good throw, and a very good catch.
Foles mostly sucked today, but he was good on that drive.
He’s also overthrowing Maclin.
over or under?
On the interception he underthrew him just a bit but Maclin kept running down the field for some reason. Maybe the sun got in his eyes but if not that was kinda on him.
Think Coop made Foles look good on a lot of those throws.
Both?
Also, Donnie Jones is not as consistent as last year. is this just really sticking out to me right now or is it a minor concern?
this is a good question, i’ve kind of been wondering the same thing
Crap. Dallas o line looking like best in the league and its only going to get better as they get experience
Can we at least all agree to Fire Joe Buck and Troy Aikman?
Buck is just dull and AIkman is just empty narrative and bullshit platitudes.
+1
I’m probably sensitive, but they seemed to have a palpable joy every time SF did something positive.
Buck gets genuinely excited whenever anyone playing against the Eagles does something good. When the Eagles do something good, he kind of monotones it and then raises his voice near the end to kind of fake the excitement.
Think this is hometown bias speaking. I think he can be smug, but he calls it pretty much down the middle.
Could be.
Buck can be annoying, but I actually like Aikman. Second best color guy to Collinsworth for my money.
Had to listen to some of this one on radio… Mike Quick is a smart guy, but wow, he was not good today. Don’t think he sees the big picture (M.R., on the other hand, does). Wonder if he’s always that bad.
If you live in Philly, turn off the sound and listen to the radio broadcast of the game…if out of the area, music
Not sure what game you watched Tommy, but the final in this one was 26 – 0.
Any time you get not one but two special teams TD’s, a pick 6, and still lose, it’s a debacle.
The fact that they had a chance to win it at the end, and blew it do to some horrible play calling, makes it worse.
under 200yds total offense is terrible.
Being at the game it didn’t seem that bad b/c the defense and SpT put up 3 scores. But the TOP was very noticeable the defense was on the field for nearly the entire game.
if you cant establish the run game it’s over. don’t think we can win a ton of games on nicks arms at least not against elite defenses.
I think you have mentioned it, but Chip needs to diversify the play calling and offensive formations. Use a lead blocker, put Foles under center.
I love our fast break offense & all the big plays & points for sure. But I’d still love to have a big ass bruising full back for goal line plays like that with two shots from the 2yd line. Even back up lineman live & love to run plays in situations like that.
Dallas is whipping N.O. now. Mock drafts anyone? Kidding. Not really…: /
When it was 3rd down on the 1.5 ya line, I so wanted them to put polk out there and let him dive. I understand not running it with mccoy, he would.have lost 3 yds and then run out of bounds.
jump over the linemen…they love to jump up bump chests after a score … a running start and jump!!!! over the line…TD.
So you thought our best chance to score was by relying on David Molk Dennis Kelly, and Matt Tobin to win one-on-one matchups with Justin Smith, Ian Williams, and Patrick Willis? I’ve got to disagree with you there.
This sequence in the game was a perfect illustration of how injuries at one spot on offense affect strategy as well as execution. Kelly had to constrict the playbook, and with good reason.
I thought our best chance was to run in that situation. If you looked at the defensive formation that they were in, they were fully expecting passes. They were not jamming the line with more than 4 guys and were dropping the LB into coverage. That is a dictated run play if you are a committed run team. I think with sproles or Polk it is a TD-Mccoy not so sure as he is dancing too much.
But make no mistake about it, the 49ers were expecting pass down there and we obliged. I agree that the o line is hurting our playcalling, but that was a 100% run play in my opinion.
I think the Eagles today beat themselves and revealed the weakness of Chip Kelleys offense. The offense needs to be out on the field more than we were tonight to tire out the defense. SF’s D was on the field for what, 17 mins total? They were fresh the whole game. While losing the game when your D and ST scores 21 points is bad, maybe we win the game without the offense being off the field as much as their were. We never got our groove or SF’s D tired.
Good point man!
umm, yup same thing as stanford v. oregon. same way to beat seahawks. same way to beat denver. ball control.
Not sure what you mean.
TOP isn’t really the issue here. If it was, the WAS game would have shown it.
Going to basics, beyond a bad passing day, beyond OL injuries, etc…The issue is that the offense genuinely does require a credible QB rushing threat. Doesn’t have to be all-world (tho’ really? someone Tannehill or better is recommended), but you have to have a rusher that could actually hurt someone.
Shady, at the end of the day, was a product of Vick, because he got to face a serial number of defenders one on one (open field) because Vick always has to be accounted for. Stuff kept happening with Foles, but that required a lot of Casey helping out with blocks. Offseason for DCs, and they’ve all fine-tuned what they want to do with the Kelly offense. The weakness of the Kelly offense is pretty much the same weakness for all of the horizontal attack offenses–they get totally brittle when plays are busted often. Which is another reason why QB has to be able to run in this offense so as to beat successful man coverage. Or shove concern into devoting more DC attention to the short area, thus giving WR more chances to beat coverage.
That doesn’t make sense because Vick wasn’t the starting QB all of last season and Shady still got yards.
Casey wham blocks.
Nick showed he could gain yards with the option in Wash.
He has to make defenses *afraid* of it. If they don’t care that he’s got a few yards and a first down, the run game is still shut down.
And then comes the problem of taking hits and being out of the game anyway. Its a give and take. I know your position on Foles already so w/e I guess. No point in arguing with you.
Disagree completely, TOP was an issue this game more so than WAs game. SF had the ball for more than 40 minutes. I think the more the D is on the field the more opportunities there are for refs to throw flags with the rules as favorable to offenses. Also this offense doesn’t need a mobile QB, it needs an accurate QB. The Eagles left plays on the field b/c Foles missed open receivers, there were 2 plays were Foles could’ve made a play if he had some wheels.
From the game today:
– Nice stadium but it isn’t as impressive as AT&T Stadium in Dallas. Kind of vanilla too and can’t really tell you are in the Bay Area/Silicon Valley except a few techno touches.
Didn’t do a great job either of honoring the past either. Then again I guess that is better than the garish and over-the-top touchiness of the new Yankee Stadium.
– A lot more 49ers fans at this game than the 3 previous games 49ers-Eagles games I have been at previously in SF (two when I lived out out here and a few years ago when I came out to catch Eagles-49ers game)
– Yeah the Eagles play poorly but I give the 49ers some real credit too. Physically manhandled the Eagles up front on both sides of the ball in the run game. Didn’t help that the Eagles were flat yet again coming out in the 1st half.
– Tough loss but t if they even split the next 2 weeks including beating the Giants at home, they should be in good shape coming out of the bye.
Wait a minute no techno touches?!?! The stadium has an app that you use to order food/drinks that they deliver to you….
Agree on the increase in 9er fans in attendance than last Eagles visit to the Bay Area, I’m guessing the bandwagoneers have hopped on now that the 9ers are good team.
I wonder why they didn’t try giving Polk a few carries… different style of runner. More violent, and north-south. Thoughts?
agree. but you have a guy you’re paying $10mm that thinks he’s the best back in the league.
– Eagles desperately need better blocking out of their TEs/RBs. McCoy whiffed or got run over a few times in pass protection and Sproles is too small to do much.
– Thought Ertz turtled a bit after he lost that fumble and disappeared when they desperately needed him to step up.
– A lot of balls that weren’t close to targets on deeper routes. Not sure if it was a case of where Foles just was that inaccurate today and/or there was some confusion with him the receivers on the routes they were supposed to run.
Also had some more wobble on his immediate routes that he normally doesnlt have.
– Why does this team keep insisting on running that stretch zone play to the right? Maybe it clicks again a bit more with Johnson back but Herremans (a guy who is a bad fit for this scheme and is a marginal starter at this point) and Molk don’t have nearly the agility or speed to get out to make that play work.
– It would help too if McCoy would lose the ‘Bust it outside’ disease that plagued Brown much of the season last year. Better to take 3-4 yards then no gain or a loss.
– Losing Mathis wasn’t huge but man this offense looks lost with Kelce and his ability to get outside on the stretch running plays and the screen plays. Molk doesn’t have a chase.
– 49ers played up at least one safety almost every play today. So missed Jackson today and his ability to bust a play deep getting by the secondary.
We had people getting behind their secondary plenty today, Foles was just not connecting.
You’re definitely right about Kelce though, I think he’s the main go who makes a lot of those pulling running plays go and without him it just doesn’t work.
On a few plays yeah but if I am an opposing coordinator I let would let Cooper alone all-day deep in one-on-one.
Need someone with speed to make some plays possibly on a few balls Foles overthrow.
– better blocking from TEs in running game yes, also utilize a lead blocker in running game more often. Pass blocking was not an issue this game
– Ertz didn’t turtle up after the fumble he had a big catch in the offenses best drive of the game
– Foles was inaccurate this game and made some bad decisions (e.g. the first interception)
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disagree…foles missed at least 5 open receivers by over/under throwing them when not under pressure.
I guess on the bright side, we did get out of this game relatively injury free. That’s the first time that’s happened this year I think.
to put everything into perspective, it’s a loss everyone loses.gotta bounce back.
additionally, the colts and skins games we had no turnovers. can’t win with 4tos like that.
Ertz`s turnover was a helmut to helmut; the penalty that let the drive continue after the non call that caused the fumble was bogus
my mistake…happened to riley
I’m going to die if Dallas blows this game. Might make the night worth while.
I’m wondering what would be worse, our miserable loss or if Dallas blew this huge lead. I’d like to believe it was Dallas blowing the huge lead haha.
sadly not going to happen.
marcus smith not on the stat line anyone see him play?
He was in the game I think Davis used him at ILB on a few snaps
hey i thought of a positive to take away from this game! no major injuries today!
Positives are few and far between. I’m just going to throw this out here, lots of people pointing out that we’re 3-1 and the sky isn’t falling, but I gotta say, we looked SO BAD today, its hard not to worry a little bit. The whole team hasn’t felt right since the start this year and I’ll feel a lot better if we can string a couple games together where I say: Ah, that’s the Eagles I recognize! Otherwise this sort of feels like the beginning of a collapse that was coming after 3 fairly wobbly wins to open the season.
eh, it could go either way. i think we’re a solid organization with excellent leadership. once we get some o linemen back i think the offense will be a lot better. let’s just hope the defense keeps developing/improving and STs are still solid. also once we get kendricks back that eliminates the amount of meaningful snaps casey matthews takes on defense.
positives…J Mathews,Polk,Ertz,Burton,Jones,Jenkins and Sproles.
STs in general for sure minus burton’s illegal touch
Shocker. They can’t win when both McCoy and Foles play like garbage. Yet at the end they still had a chance. Defense played fine considering how bad the offense was. Might as well get it out of their system and win the next 2 going into the bye.
Starting to worry about McCoy. He just looks off.
What a terrible night. Cowsquirrels won
I think, to piggy back what several have said, the team may have needed this win to tell them you can’t start poorly on offense and keep expecting to win. I would like to see them come out of gate strong against the Rams. We need to absolutely flatten someone to get our mojo back. Of course, having our starting O-line would be nice too.
I don’t care what you say I would bench McCoy. Twinkle toes needs to get down hill and stop taking plays out of their element. He’s dumb period. A moron who doesn’t listen, comes off fake too. Last year was fun but if you don’t run up the gut when inside zone lanes are open you need to sit down and let the players who will run them play. Are you acting like it’s not very alarming? If our defense and special teams didn’t step up that game would be pathetic overall. Completely pathetic. Foles missed too much too and I’ve been alarmed about him. The urgency isn’t there like last year I think Lazor was able to get more outta him his mechanics are off. Watch the tape.
Let’s not overthink this. Foles and Shady are sucking because they are running behind backups and this offense requires excellent coordination in the OL. I felt the Eagles had been mostly lucky to win the first 3 games and that in this game, the luck would run out. Amazingly, they were actually even more lucky in this game, but their performance was even worse than it had been.
The elephant in the room is that we are now fighting for a wildcard. Dallas is now the better team.
Sadly you’re right Dallas looked playoff caliber.
How many straight years does Dallas have to look like gangbusters in September and October and then collapse in November/December before people recognize that they’re not a legitimate contender?
DeMarco Murray will get hurt. Tony Romo will start throwing boneheaded interceptions. The Cowboys’ defense will start giving up 450 yards a game. How do I know these things will happen? They happen every autumn, like the leaves changing color.
Overreaction, overreaction, overreaction. As the saying goes, you’re never as bad as you look when you lose (Eagles), and you’re never as good as you look when you win (Cowboys).
Tommy, i see where you made no mention of the horrendous officiating, and the game was still winnable, but I don`t understand how some of these refs don`t lose their jobs, cause they are being a factor in the outcome of games by the errors of the bad calls they make, the blatant non-calls of holds, head shots, interference; it`s worse than the games called by the replacements.
I`ll wait for your DGR, to see if you agree with me.
[…] Bad Game – Iggles BlitzThe Eagles lost 26-21. Regardless of the score, that was a bad game. The Eagles made a ton of mistakes. Sloppy football is going to catch up with you at some point and that’s exactly what happened today. The Niners defense played well, but the Eagles offense had a lot of self-inflicted wounds. Chip Kelly didn’t call a good game. Nick Foles didn’t play well. The makeshift OL had a bad day. Zach Ertz fumbled the ball to SF and set up a short TD drive. Riley Cooper let the potential game-wining TD pass go through his hands. And on and on. […]
I think the strong reaction is to how we lost. I was ok beforehand thinking we might lose. If the offense had put up 21 we might be like, well, ok.
But the offense put up zero. Our superstar RB looks really off, injuries to the OL notwithstanding. The SF D was missing a couple of really good players, so you might think our injuries would not be so noticeable, but they were. Then watching stretch run after stretch run fail, our RB not run N-S, so much so that on 3 and 1 from the goal – we get cute two times in row instead of diving twice. If that means Polk needs to be in, then do that. Cooper looks like a waste of a WR2 again.
And our QB, yes while under pressure, was not good. And watching Kaep run around you think, Foles has to be more accurate than he is to make up for his total lack of mobility.
There were just a lot of really frustrating things yesterday, some of which hit on sore spots from prior years. SF with their injuries/suspensions should not shut us out.
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