ARZ 24, PHI 20
Posted: October 26th, 2014 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 308 Comments »Too many mistakes. Simple as that.
Eagles blew tons of opportunities, particularly in the first half. In the second half they blew coverages. Big win for Arizona
— Chris B. Brown (@smartfootball) October 26, 2014
I’ll write some analysis later. Too frustrated to think straight right now.
Oh…and I do hate the friggin Arizona Cardinals. Losing to them, that way…all the more painful.
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Should have challenged the spot on Polk’s 3rd and goal run.
Oh, and not fumbled the ball and thrown an INT in the red zone in the first half.
Oh, and maybe covered the fastest guy on the field on 3rd and 5.
I’m very sure that they were not using the 10yard chains correctly. It affected Cardinals earlier in the game, and it cost us too. The last colored link represents line-to-gain. Not the end of the chain. Idiotic crew who also blatantly missed the Horsecollar.
The refs were really awful today. That game was painful to watch for long stretches because of all the blown calls.
Agreed, I have no idea why you wouldn’t challenge that. You have nothing to lose except 1 timeout (which they lost anyway on the Carroll injury). And you can’t even use your timeouts in the last 2 minutes anyway.
That was a terrible spot by a terrible officiating crew, but it’s on Chip to challenge that.
Yeah… in Chip’s press conference he said “they told me they didn’t have a good enough camera angle.” I assume the “they” is our internal review team (as opposed to the refs) but this might be an instance where you just give it a try. To your point, you might lose a timeout, but the possibility of getting 3 more downs inside the 2 minute warning at the 1 yard line seems too good to pass up. I wonder what the specific protocol is for the “review team” – surely they saw what we all saw… I mean, it looked ALMOST close enough to challenge whether the ball crossed the plane…
All the rage.
Shot ourselves in the foot over and over. So sloppy coming out of the bye.
I held in my piss over the course of the last quarter. Now I’m too pissed to piss.
Laughing so hard I have to go piss.
Chip needs to figure his QB situation out. That’s all. I’d feel better about Nick being a “young QB” if not for the fact that he’s regressed this year.
F. U. Go. To. Sleep.
Must have watched a different game than I did.
Lol. U. Are you Nate’s gf?
Take it easy champ. Maybe get some sleep.
Don’t sweat it, some people are always going to have their hands over their ears, shouting “LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU!!!!1” whenever you point out obvious flaws in Foles’ game. And of course the best they can do is insult you, because they certainly can’t refute you with on-field evidence.
You just have to hope those people aren’t working in the Eagles’ front office at the end of the season.
This comment blows…nick has made too many mistakes even for a young QB….we needed to see him take a step forward this year…he simply has not…the silver li inv is that we 9 more games to judge him….probably more….
Some people are retarded.
Yes. Last year he actually seemed to learn from his mistakes. This year he just makes the same ones over and over.
He’s in his 3rd year. Ffs.
So what…no one is asking him to be Tom fucking Brady…just not make poor judgment errors…. The pic on the throw to coop was just inexcusable whether he is in his first year or tenth year….come on….we don’t operate in a world where everyone gets a trophy….
Dude, I appreciate your passion. However I don’t know how long you’ve been following the Eagles. Yes we were lucky to have McNabb, but do you remember his first two seasons? Give Nick a break, or a kitkat!
I wish he was more accurate in his third year, but was Favre, Brady or Manning? Look up their history. I don’t think so. I am more angry about this loss, but this loss is at least as much on Chip Kelly and our defense. So let’s sit, back and relax, and enjoy the ride.
Dude…I have been a fan a long time….I remember being a young boy and seeing my dad cry which was a rarity…..it was the playoff loss to the buccaneers in 79….I remember bein allowed to watch the first half of the 1981 super bowl waking up the next morning and hearing that my eagles lost the SB…..I remeber vermeil leaving the Eagles claiming burnout, then there was the Marion Campbell years followed by the buddy Ryan years with the gang green defense and then some more dark times with kotite and Rhodes years and then came along Andy Reid and Donnie MAC….as for qb’s go I watched jaworski, Cunningham, McMahon, detmer, brister, Peete, hoying on down to McNabb…..I think I have reasonable expectations….I am not saying foles sucks like others….however his play is not above criticism….his mistakes are correctable and we expect to see a decrease…..and we are not…..not to hang him out to dry on the game as foles had nothing to do with huff fumbling or the blown coverage on the John brown TD….but every time I see someone post an accurate criticism of foles I don’t get why his internet bodyguards need to come out and jump on people to get real….the criticism is valid and it is not coming from the TATErs crowd or the mouth breathing fans….those people just blame and say that foles sucks or needs to be benched for Sanchez with zero context….there is reasonable discussion and criticism and there are those that are as you say “are retarded”…..those posters need to be separated……just my 2cents….I am sure I will see you posting next week…have at it and GO EAGLES!!!
He was bound to regress this year. If he’d maintained the level of play he had last year he’d be the best quarterback in the history of the NFL.
I’m more concerned about the lack of week-to-week progression this year. He’s still making a handful of really awful decisions/throws every game. If he doesn’t cut down on these mistakes by the end of the season I’ll be really concerned.
2 TOs every week, right at about 55% completion. I can’t even be too mad. The D is soooo close. The offense is soooo close.
Yeah, I don’t even mean statistically though. I mean he actually looks like a worse QB than he was last year.
I was ready for him to be a better QB with worse statistics. It’s worse all around.
It’s frustrating because he’s making good plays as well as bad. Those good plays don’t get erased by the bad plays, any more than the bad plays shouldn’t be overlooked because of the good plays.
I strangely still have faith in Foles because I’m still thinking this is correctible. I’m still not seeing the complete loss of confidence and skill that I’ve seen in other Eagles QBs. And as you said, right now, Foles is simply regressing to the mean before our eyes. The question is, when all is said and done, is he going to be average or above average, and then, is either of those enough? I withhold judgement so far, and won’t shit on him in my anger over that game.
he tosses a lot of passes to open receivers.
and I loved that drive in the final minute
…was hoping Chip would call a “run right up the middle” on 3rd & 18 from the 19 with 27 seconds left … except that it would’ve been too rough to watch LeSean dance around from side to side avoiding the big hole up the middle
Foles put us in position to win at the end. Cards had tight coverages, but Ertz had a shot at that jump ball, and our rookie WR had a shot to bring that in. The long TD pass to Maclin was beautiful. Foles did not get sacked during our 1 min drill to get a TD at the end. He knew when to throw the ball, and when to throw it away.
Be pissed, that the D gave up our lead at the end on that 80yd TD play. Be pissed that Chip didn’t stick with Polk to run the ball up the middle on that goal and inches play. Nick is playing at a decent sophomore level (this is his second year as a starter). If he sucked, he would be getting sacked more, looking confused, and looking like a chump after INTs. The dude has potential and is still young. He puts the time in and works hard at getting better. The Eagles can win, and have won with Foles. He is playing tons better now than the 1st two games.
statistically he’s playing the same loss. team loss
perfecetly said imho!!
Since when is a voice of reason allowed into a discussion about an Eagles quarterback?
He’s leading the league in turnovers, his balls are floaty ducks, he’s overthrowing simple passes like checkdowns, he runs out of the pocket even when there’s no pressure on him, his completion % in near the bottom of the league. You guys are blind. Even if you think he’s the guy I don’t know how you can say he’s been playing anything other than bad this season.
I counted 2 plays where Matthews could have done so much more to help the team win. He didn’t block the only person within 5 yards on the pass to Shady before he got forced out of bounds. He had very poor positioning and attempt to fight for the ball in the RZ against Mathieu.
I saw the same. The kid needs to growup fast.
Still the same kid from college, which I found so vastly overrated.
edit: god i can’t even use the right words anymore
Matthews played a terrible game. But looked like the same guy he was in college. Not promising.
agreed that the using the other recievers to block was completely lame and didn’t work
..I liked Rhonde Barber’s point that the Cards are one of the best tackling teams in the league ..certainly needed to block way way better
These refs………
F. U Nate. Allen.
His eyes were in the backfield again instead of on the receiver. Inexcusable mistake for a safety. Their called SAFETY for a reason.
Should never get beaten over the top on 3rd and 5, never.
“His eyes were in the backfield again instead of on the receiver.”
Exactly. So frustrating.
There’s so many cliches for this loss to go over. They fucking blew it. Plain and simple. They should be 6-1 right now but the offense can’t get out of its own way and the defense and can’t execute a simple COVER 2.
Nate Allen, Nick Foles, and Josh Huff lost this game with an assist from Chip Kelly and his asinine play calling. Goddammit, so fucking mad.
And now to completely ignore civilization tomorrow… Man I hate losing
They should have challenged the Huff Fumble…he was def down before the ball was out. They would have went for it at the end instead of taking the 3 pts. We would have won because we drove down into fg range. But instead we needed a td. lots of coaching mistakes as well as player mistakes.
Cant challenge a TO they reviewed it, correct call
That ball was clearly out way before he was down.
Nate Allen is dead to me.
Terrible play calling by Andy.. err Chip. Awful job at the end of the half and on the 3rd and goal play call.
Getting awfully sick of watching Nick Foles make bad throws and poor decisions. Certainly not very interested in giving him a big contract next summer.
Chip said AGAIN in the presser after the game that Foles cannot throw the INT in the red zone, give away turnovers….yet it keeps happening. Is Chip going to hold him accountable? Chip keeps saying we “need to clean that up”….what are he and Chip doing to change it!!? He’s got 12 INT & 3 fumbles….Chip keeps saying they’re going to fix it, but it never gets fixed….??? Also, 62 passes??
Seriously, it’s like watching the same game over and over, except when the other team is better than the Rams and Giants, you lose. Maybe we needed a loss like this to shake things up, but I’m not holding my breath.
Not that Foles shouldn’t be held accountable for those picks, because they were both bad decisions/throws. HOWEVER, if you have your QB drop back to throw 62 times, against a good defense, on the road, bad things usually happen. Chip’s playcalling was at least a big a problem in this game as Foles’ inconsistent play, maybe a bigger problem.
I hear that. 62 passes is a lot. There were a lot of good throws and a lot of ugly throws.
As much as I hate Dallas, Eagles need to take a page from their offense. The Cowboys offense is really good because they give the ball to Murray. Because Murray runs so well, it relieves Romo from a lot of pressure. Romo doesn’t throw as much as he did last season, but it also greatly reduced the number of turnovers he makes.
The Eagles were running the ball effectively against the 1st ranked run defense. And Chris Polk ran pretty well from his limited snaps. I hope that once Sproles comes back, Chip has him, Shady, and Polk more involved in the offense. That way, Foles doesn’t have to pass as much and as a result, commit fewer mistakes.
I missed the game. SAw we were up with a minute left. Looked at phone 5 seconds later and we were down. How do we let up a 75 yard play with a minte left.
So having missed the game who should I be mad at and who had a good game?
looked like a Nnamdi-Allen special.
Who played nnamdi?
Williams
Nah, wasn’t williams’ fault. That was on Nate in coverage. Cary ran him down.
Well, you should start with yourself for missing the game, RobNE… maybe you could’ve made a difference!
After that, Huff fumbled in the red zone, Foles threw an INT off his back foot in the red zone, the refs called “hands to the face” and other ticky-tack stuff all game, then NOT a horse-collar on our last drive, our secondary is terrible and chose the worst possible time to remind us of that… and then on the penultimate drive, we had a 3rd down run where Polk got tackled at the 1 inch line… had we challenged, probably would’ve gotten 1st and goal from inside the 1 yard line… instead, we kicked the field goal. Barf.
I am mad enough without seeing it
ahoy, Baloophi
Here’s my takeaway:
Something has to happen at QB. Either we get a new QB coach or put in Sanchez. Foles is holding the Eagles back and we’re seeing no progress week to week. Changing the play selection to one read plays is a bandaid, not progress.
Yeah, I’m really looking forward to Foles once again saying he has “to work on that this week” about turning the ball over.
For the most part, I think he’s seeing the right things, but his mechanics are horrible. These are mechanical things that seem *worse* than last year. Maybe Foles didn’t “like” Bill Lazor, but he was a better QB last year. I don’t know what Musgrave is doing – but none of it is translating to the field.
I am beginning to worry that Foles has been “Kolbed” and is permanently spooked and worried. I’ve never seen a quarterback tip toe backwards for 15 yards like he did so many times this game.
yeah i don’t know what that was.
His backwards tiptoe on the last play was insane! It was almost like a designed QB backwards tiptoe… He didn’t even wait for pressure, he just went right into the tiptoe!
I can’t remember ever seeing anything like that. It was so strange I wonder if it was designed? Maybe he was told to backpedal so far back he wouldn’t have to scan for pressure? I really don’t know.
Nate Allen sealed his fate today.
One thing I like is that even after the horrible turnovers, the stupid
penalties, and the awful playcalling, it still came down to the final
play. That, at least, is promising…
Not to mention awful officiating
yeah but that stuff is every week. Can’t even say we played a bad game this is the way we play. We’re right there. We just can’t have 3 TOs a game. We also can’t just have 1 person who can consistently catch the ball.
Yeah, I agree that it happens every week (except against the Giants), and we’ve just been lucky with the bounces. But we can hang with (and beat) good teams that way, even in the playoffs. That’s way better than being blown out every week.
2 picks against the giants, Foles leads the league in TOs. I think we can beat anyone in the NFC if we play our game. I just don’t know how you fix the turnovers.
Sanchez?
Haha i don’t know — might be like moving from Geno to Vick — grass always greener.
Well, you asked how to stop the turnovers. Foles keeps making the same poor decisions and terrible throws each week. If he isn’t going to learn from his mistakes, at some point you have to put in someone else if you want a chance of stopping them.
Why I loathed Vick and it has been Foles biggest issue far and away this year. Anything else is a distant second.
Yeah, Geno was benched after 3 interceptions today in NY. Vick then came in and fumbled twice and threw an INT.
The media/fans are getting out the torches and pitchforks out for Foles but this loss was on Kelly. Suspect and shaky playcalling almost all game long and a safe decision (chicken$hit) decision to kick the FG there on 4 & 1 instead of punching it home.
All we needed to do was get a stop on defense. Under 2 minutes. We’d been stopping them all game. I actually think Chip made the right calls.
You generally do not expect your supposedly decent defense to give up a 75 TD throw to an offense that has struggle to get scores on anything *other* than big plays. It was the right call for Kelly.
TD no. FG yes.
Definitely. I have no faith in this offense picking up that 1 yard.
That’s sad, I guess if we have our guys, and not tiny Molk there, things are different.
It wasn’t even a yard. It was under half a yard. Always rather go for something and come up short than play the safety option especially on the road.
Disagree. The chance of scoring a TD or getting a first down on that 4th/goal with a typical short yardage play (say, a QB sneak) is well above 50%, and the payoff is excellent – the other team needs a TD just to tie you. Even if you don’t get it, the downside isn’t that bad, since they have the ball on their own 1 inch line. The chance of giving up a 75 yard TD on defense isn’t that high, but the chance of giving up a tying FG drive with two minutes to go and the other team having all its timeouts is. Kicking the FG there is a high percentage, low reward playcall (i.e., a chicken$hit playcall).
Exactly, a QB sneak. An under-center play. No way the Eagles run something like that.
Yup. The odds clearly show it was the wrong play from a statistical point too.
It was the right call to go for the FG in that situation, given that there was a timeout, we had actually been pushed back, the way their DEF was playing, the way our DEF was playing, etc. 100 times you make that call, 100 times. Out of 100. No one can fault Chip for that, and it’s insane to call it chickenshit. It’s not, it’s the ONLY right call for that situation. End of story.
The problem was not challenging the Polk run. That was nearly a TD, and most certainly a 1st down, and there was nothing to lose in calling the challenge. THAT was playing it too safe, or chickenshit if you like.
PS is there some irony in not being bold enough to actually spell “chickenshit” out fully?
I fault Chip for too many pass plays, the call on 3rd and inches, not challenging the Polk spot, and the play calling at the end of the half. After he blew the call on third and goal he kind of had to go for the field goal there.
No, it’s not the right call 100 times out of 100, and yes, you can question it.
I haven’t crunched the numbers on this particular situation, but others have. Bill Belichick went for it on 4th and 1 from his own 29, in a game he was leading against the Colts a few years ago, and when asked why said it’s because the chances of converting 4th and 1 were higher than the chances of stopping Peyton Manning from driving the ball into FG range. Obviously, Carson Palmer isn’t Manning, but he’s still a competent veteran QB, with all his timeouts, at home, throwing to weapons who match up well with the Eagles. Chances are he gets the ball into position for a tying FG if you kick it (in fact he did better). If as typically happens on inches-to-go situations you convert, you either score a TD and force the Cardinals to match to tie the game or get stopped on three straight running plays but run down the clock before kicking a chip shot to win the game. If you’re stopped and turn it over on downs, Arizona is forced to playcall conservatively to avoid a sack, turnover, or penalty in the endzone, and it’s likely you get the ball back in excellent field position. Kicking the FG there was statistically speaking the wrong decision, and chicken$hit is exactly the right word for it.
Chip said there was no clear replay of the Polk goal line play. Seemed liked there was a clear line sight on the ONE time that we got to see it.
Down on like 3 inches..wouldn’t have mattered.
There was a first down there though, if hes over the yellow line, which it looked like, they got a whole new set of downs to try and screw it up.
Still, the Eagles had 3rd and less than a yard for a 1st and — with another few inches — a TD.
If, as the old saw goes, you can’t gain a yard on 3rd and short, you don’t deserve to win.
Without a doubt, so frustrating.
Normally I won’t complain about the refs but they were terrible today. Inconsistent, missed a few big calls, and weren’t in position to make a few possible other ones. Largely made the game unwatchable in the 1st half and left too many calls hanging in the 2nd.
Cardinals fans would have sad the exact same thing about last year’s game. Good for the goose, good for the gander.
Yep, refs didn’t lose this game for us, they were equally horrible for both sides. Actually, don’t see Bob blaming them for the loss, just for being terrible. That’s very accurate.
Not saying anything about losing the game. Refs didn’t cost the Eagles the game. Best thing you can say about the refs is when you don’t notice them.
Right, I added and edited and see you didn’t say anything close to that. Reacted to the reply first, my mistake.
You can tell it’s a badly officiated game when you start feeling bad for the shitty calls the other team is getting. They got flagged for a “roughing the passer” that was about as ticky-tack as it gets.
Another sign is when the ref has more camera time than the RBs of either team.
That crew is definitely my first round draft choice in next year’s fantasy ref draft. They were cranking up yards today.
LAE . . .
That sort of level-headedness puts you two steps of Chris Meyers and Tiki Barber.
Can someone honestly say that if Huff didn’t go to Oregon he would of been our 3rd pick? Love Chip but that pisses me off esp when I see a WR picked after him scoring the game winning TD
Kelly wanted [EDIT: DE Hart] in the 3rd or something like that in the 3rd.
Thats DE Hart
I don’t even think Hart is active on game days. At least that’s how much impact he has had so far to me..
Is anyone suggesting that Kelly doesn’t have a sharp eye for valuing and projecting college talent to the NFL?
It’s a rather small sample size so far but it feels like he wants immediate impact instead of grooming players.
I think both WRs taken by us this year were just guys. The rookies aren’t really proving anything else other wise.
Re: Run v. Pass Percentages in 2014
In the last 8 games of 2013, the Eagles went 7-1.
Kelly called 280 running plays vs. 240 passes (att + sacks) — for an avg of 35 runs/game vs. 30 passes/game.
The percentage was 54-46 percent run-to-pass ratio.
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In the first 7 games of 2014, the Eagles are 5-2.
Kelly’s called 191 rushes vs. 306 passes — an avg of 28 runs/game vs. 44 passes/game.
The play calling this year shows a 39-61 percent run-to-pass ratio.
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I’m sure Kelly has a good reason for what he calls.
But the stark difference in the run-to-pass numbers from last year to this year is pretty remarkable.
[This was the final comment in T-Law’s prior post, so I’ve re-posted it.]
Yeah but run game WAY less effective this year. I hear you but can understand reasoning.
True enough re: the run game.
But the shift is huge. A 28 percent drop in running plays.
Even today, when the running game had success early, Kelly went heavy on the pass.
Just saying.
Don’t know the answer.
And I sure don’t presume to know what Kelly’s seeing.
It was like watching an Andy Reid redux game his last few years here and maddening especially with Polk healthy enough to take carries.
I agree. Even I was sort of surprised today. It looked to me like McCoy was getting yards when running. But i think, today at least, we decided to attack their weaknesses, especially after Peterson went out.
I understand in the first few games with our patchwork O-line. I do not understand today, when our runs were gaining 4-5 yards a pop for the most part (when McCoy didn’t dance).
Just a guess that maybe they didn’t want to wear out McCoy, and didn’t have complete faith in Polk to take a large number of carries since this would be his first game playing offense this year. Also think not having Sproles to backup McCoy is why they slowed the tempo down. Although it seemed like the announcers were crediting that to the Cardinals multiple looks on defense, which makes no sense…
PLENTY of blame to go around. But Nate Allen should be forced to donate his check to charity & be sentenced to picking up garbage by the highway for a month. That entire goal line sequence was a bloody nightmare. Chip’s worst moment to date. Someone needs to tell Fitzgerald that the Eagles already have an owner, we don’t need two. Lastly, whoever or whatever abducted 2013 Foles needs to bring him the hell back because this doppleganger is painful to watch. 5-2 is a good record, but it feels like we’re 5-2 DESPITE him not because of him. I’d say the same if we were 6-1. I’d just be happier about it.
It’s hard to watch Aaron Rodgers after watching Nick Foles.
Yeah, someone made a great point that Rodgers can do those off the back of the foot passes and different stuff because of the athletic ability. he has. Foles has to play it straight up because he can’t do that kind of stuff. That’s perfectly fine with me, he just has to do it and keep the mistakes down.
My biggest concern right now – Nick Foles lack of improvement through 7 games. We’re seeing the same poor throws and questionable decision-making every week.
Yet he had them at the 1 when it was 17-17 and then got them close enough for a decent throw to the end zone for the win. We need that improvement you’re talking about though, that will get us there.
Not saying he’s awful. I’m more than happy to give him the rest of the season to make some improvement. But he needs to get better if we’re going to be a championship caliber team.
No doubt.
I am concerned but we did see improvement in one area. His deep TD to Maclin was a beauty. The turnovers are disconcerting.
Say this about the Eagles – they have only lost 2 games down to the wire against two very good home teams on the West Coast.
Just never expected the Boys to be 6-1 and the Eagles need a little help.
Westbrook just said it and it’s worth repeating. What’s with Ertz and not getting monster numbers? That’s what we were looking for this year or not? I added monster numbers, he said getting him the ball more.
Seems like he’s pretty fixed on Maclin who gets twice as many targets as anyone else. but surprised they didn’t go to TEs more.
Something’s up with the way defenses are playing the Eagles’ TEs.
Celek’s become invisible, almost.
And after JAX, Ertz’s has been good but below expectations.
Plus the running game’s sagged. And I get the O-line’s had injury issues.
But it’s clear that — with the exception of the Giants’ inexplicable choices in their defensive scheme — THE OPPONENTS HAVE DECIDED TO MAKE FOLES BEAT THEM.
seems like a rational thing to do, and a winning play (whether or not it results in wins). We just have to hope that the OL gets healthy and that changes everything.
Ertz isn’t getting that many snaps, because his run blocking is still subpar.
The Eagles may miss the p/o finishing at 11-5.
too early for that — we can beat the boys twice, that’s what it’ll come down to.
I am not really comfortable. Plus the boys will be 2 1/2 games up on Tuesday.
Oh relax.
For one, we don’t know that they’re going to beat the Redskins (yes, they’re clearly a superior team, but that rivalry almost always produces close games). Secondly, they’d be 1 game up, not 2 1/2. Tiebreakers mean jack squat at this point in the season.
11-5. No. 10-6. Yeah.
Sometimes I wish we still had AR. At least for the games after the bye.
Chip called a very Andy game today.
Defense played pretty well but the lack of playmakers (forcing turnovers) has showed up and this team is struggling in that dept.
Hopefully getting Kendricks back will help but it seemed like he was out there less than 50% of the snaps today with Matthews continuing to get a lot of PT.
A 100% healthy Kendricks would definitely help. And I think we really felt the absence of Sproles on both ST and offense. “That guy’s special.”
Not that this will happen . . .
But the last QB whose numbers, relative to the times, shift so much from one season to the next was former Buffalo Bills 1970 ROY QB Dennis Shaw (played at SD State for future Cards/Chargers HC Don Coryell).
Shaw was a great pure passer with weapons: RB OJ Simpson, WRs JD Hill and Ahmad Rashad (f/k/a Bobby Moore from Oregon).
One big difference between Shaw and Foles is the coaching.
Foles has Kelly as his HC, who’s proven the be very good already.
Shaw had 3 HCs in his first 3 seasons.
Still not worried about this team or Foles though. Good team that has lost 2 very tough games on the road against 2 very good teams.
Win next week and hopefully get back a few more starters in 2 weeks vs Panthers.
True enough.
But Foles cannot keep playing like this.
Yes, it was a 1-play / 1-score game. But that’s in no small part thanks to Cards WR Michael Floyd.
(The refs were overly officious jerks both ways.)
The point is, as you know, the *margin* for error shrinks considerably when the team on the other side is very good.
We saw that today.
Turnovers – No. Asking any QB to throw 62 times in a game where you never trailed in double digits and had your starting all-pro RB all day is nearly criminal.
32 passes/7 runs in the 1st half in a game they didn’t trail.
Stupidity and Reid would have gotten buried in his post game press conference if he had done that.
It wasn’t a great called game, but honestly we should have been up at least 13-7 if not more by the half it weren’t for fumblehands Huff and Dick I strike again Foles.
That is a terribly called game and there is a reason that Bowles blitzed more and more in the 2nd half.
http://imgur.com/ml1W21W
That is very funny.
It’s funny. If Nate plays like a S then the Eagles win and everyone would be raving about Foles’ throw to Maclin. Now everyone thinks he was the culprit. Why don’t we better suck for the duck? We’re only 5-2.
I think people forget just how bad our QB’ing has been since…. when Dmac was good? We didn’t loose because of Foles. His performance in that last minute was very good. Good decisions, no sacks, no turnovers, and gave us a couple chances to win. Seems like that’s something a team ought to want in a QB.
Huff INT in the 1st half was brutal all-around but the INT in the 2nd half seemed like it was as much confusion about the route that Cooper was supposed to be running as the throw/decision itself.
Foles did more right than wrong and yeah the good/very good throws as a part of the 62?! attempts today.
only completing 55% of passes
Chip said it was a bad throw. Not miscommunication. Stop spreading misinformation.
John Brown’s body beats the shoddy coverage,
John Brown’s body beats the shoddy coverage,
John Brown’s body beats the shoddy coverage,
Nate Allen once again..
On the 3 and 1 – running the ball out of the shotgun there was a shaky call and it would be nice to see some more I back.
The damn measurement screwed it up, they gave us a bad spot then had to measure it if not we could of lined up in a hurry and went for it quick QB sneak.
Nate Allen with the fake hammy grab when he get burnt.
Shame Maclin’s awesome day will largely get overlooked. Came back in the 2nd half and just made big catch after big catch all day long.
Really has proved me wrong so far because I didn’t think he had the desire to be this good.
but is it any different than when djax was here. one guy blowing up — really no second option.
Eagles choose to invest fairly large dollars in Cooper and cut Jackson. I thought it was one of the dumbest moves in the NFL this offseason. I have made my opinion well known on that on here.
I honestly think that if we kept Jackson then we could have blown them out this week with Peterson gone.
I don’t know about that but you have to think that Jackson/Maclin wouldn’t have burst another play deep vs nickel/dime back.
Djax works well in niche situations. That last drive was one that he would have worked well in.
yeah that john brown play brought back memories
Shame Maclin sounds like a cowboy from the old west. Yeah I remember Ole Shame, killed four guys with one bullet.
But at the end of Shame Maclin, he was dead as he road off into the sunset on the horse slumped over.
Darndest thing, broke his leg getting off his horse, never recovered.
He was dead!!!????
come back Shame, Shame come back!
The problem is now. No matter how much you hate the cowboys. They control their on destiny. I know it’s still early doors; but I’m pretty sure they will beat the cards at home next week.
We control our own destiny too.
Does Chip need to repeat what he said about destiny last year? No one controls their destiny.
Jeebus does.
I don’t know, I here his dad is a bit of control freak.
A big area where Foles has improved this year is not getting sacked. He got sacked 28 times in 345 pass attempts, once every 12 dropbacks. This year just 7 sacks in 299 attempts, or once every 42 attempts ( the same amount he is attempting on average each game).
How much do you think his increase in ints is due to the lack of sacks?
70%
He does seem a bit too willing to just throw it up rather than take the sack, he needs to find a better balance. At least he threw the ball away a few times today though, so that’s progress.
Probably just two sides of the same coin. Maybe someday he’ll be able to put it together and not get sacked and not throw ints.
Bill Musgrave is not earning his salary
Green Bay routinely changed QB coaches in the ’90s.
Steve Mariucci. Andy Reid. Mike McCarthy. Mike Sherman.
Lots of success.
Geagle will hate me but, outside of Jenkins our secondary is terrible. Boykin got beat all game long. Fletcher is not good. Williams is average at best. Our front 7 is legit. Our secondary sucks. Period. I’m a bit worried about Foles. Today his turnovers cost us. Plenty of bad decisions. I need to see progress and I didn’t today. This isn’t to say Foles can’t do it, but he has to be better for us to make a deep run. We already know about our corners and safeties, there’s nothing we can do about that. Our QB is a different story. This is a bad loss and our weaknesses (CB, S, QB) were on display tonight.
Shady has to be better too. His runs in the 1st half weren’t typical of his stellar year last year either. I’m being somewhat facetious, the coach knows Polk is the N/S runner, and Shady is elusive; use them for what they do. Shady up the middle on a goal line carry was stupid.
He had to trust one of his best players to make a play.
Can’t pay $10m if you can’t trust him on goal line plays
Have to agree on that. I thought going into this game that they would use Polk more, because his style of running would be a good match for their defensive front. This loss leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Two stupid INTs and a bad fumble. Can’t turn the ball over and expect to win.
Disappointed in Boykin too, but Fitz is a really tough matchup for him. I know he can play better. McCoy ended up having a decent day, a few bad plays but I really wish we ran it more. Foles throwing 62 times is not a recipe for winning.
Roseman’s having a cut-up done of this game for his “Boykin – Contract Extension” File.
How many sacks did we have?
I think both teams had 0 sacks. I was pretty impressed with the Cards pass protection, it was much more solid than the Giants.
They went max protect a lot in the 1st half with 2 TE sets and Palmer did a nice job of getting rid of the ball today. Didn’t really force a single terrible throw all day.
There were a couple from Palmer that were thrown to 20 yards of open space with nobody in it, and a couple that we had a shot at intercepting but dropped. We catch one of those and it’s a different game.
There wasn’t an easy INT today though the Eagles DBs dropped. Don’t remember a single ball he threw into double/triple coverage that was ill advised. There are always a few throws that are inevitably possible picks.
Here’s hoping you don’t get that feel good feeling the rest of the season.
we have to hope that our starting OL will minimize lots of these issues – the running game, Foles will get better, our red zone offense will be better and Foles won’t be forcing the ball.
It won’t solve Nate Allen problem. But if Nate is so bad, and Wolff isn’t playing more, what the heck does that say about Wolff? Or did we get too excited about a 5th round pick (Kurt Coleman syndrome)?
Not to speak for BLIND CHOW . . .
But I think he’s said, with respect to this same point about the O-line, that Foles was making the same kinds of mistakes since opening day.
ok but that still has to be my hope right?
Yeah but if it gives us crazy good McCoy that changes how Foles has to go about things. I guess.
I missed Maclin’s 4th Q catch on the last drive to set up the last few plays inside the 20.
Would someone mind providing me with a play-by-play, listing the (a) formation, (b) receivers’ alignment,
(c) pressure by the D-line, (d) Foles’ response in the pocket, (e) the
route by Maclin, (f) the kind of pass Foles threw, including his
decisiveness level, and (g) the coverage on Maclin.
Thanks.
Hmm, from memory, not sure about a and b, but I’ll give my best guess on the rest.
c.) Pretty clean pocket, Oline did a good job. Maybe some A-gap pressure.
d.) Foles had some happy feet but stayed in the pocket and delivered a good ball.
e.) Maclin ran about 20 yards and made a nice cut back towards the sideline and coming back towards Foles as well.
f.) Good pass, right to Maclin. A little more juice would have been nice but…
g.) Pretty sure it was man to man and Maclin beat him pretty easily, plenty of separation and it made it an easy toss. Maclin was doing that all game.
Excellent.
Thank you.
Was against backup guy who really didn’t have the speed to keep up with Maclin.
Maclin was making plays against Peterson prior to the injury. Think he had around 80 yards at that point.
Depression has set in
Do you have kids?
No unfortunately
(1) they give you perspective.
(2) when young, they don’t care about the Eagles’ losing.
(3) when older, they’ll close the door to the room in which you watch the game (if it has one) and let you scream all you want.
What stage does the occasional sobbing begin?
When they hit college.
I look forward to that experience.
Best of times. Worst of times.
(Pardon the theft.)
When the eagles lose my dog becomes extra cuddly and my gf gives me a beer and watches her TV shows
FE45 . . .
Salve for the wounds.
And I read every comment on Iggles Blitz.
should he sacrifice one or something?
LMAO!!!
I’m sure it’s just me . . .
But Polk seemed to hit the holes drawn up in the playbook hard and quickly. And he always gained yardage.
Polk’s not as quick as Sproles. But they run the same way: NORTH – SOUTH.
McCoy had his moments . . .
But with a wounded O-line, he doesn’t have the benefit of that extra .10 of a second to shift gear and create something.
Or, perhaps, McCoy’s turf toe is affecting him.
Or, maybe, he’s not the same back physically as last season.
I thought McCoy had some nice runs when he was decisive. But I agree completely about Polk, would love to see him continue to be involved.
At least we’re flying under the radar for the rest of the season. Right GEagle?!
We’re flying so far under the radar we’re not even flying anymore.
Can’t let the 7th game of a 5-2 season emotionally destroy me but it will for now. Too many things changes, Chiefs started crappy, looked dead. Steelers got pounced by the Browns, barely squeezed by Houston at home. As short as a 16 season is compared to other sports, things change so much through the season. Dallas can lose to any team I don’t care what anyone says. That defense will eventually get torched, things can’t hold up the way they are for them. Their running back is getting overused, when things start to go a little bad, questions will start to pop up. Just have to go with the ups and downs.
Seattle was the unstoppable train and Green Bay was dead after the Thursday Night opener of all games. Just recover from this and be angry, question everything, let the season play out. We have games to play, strap it up. Just know we have winnable games leading to the Thanksgiving game, and we better win them and it will be an exciting holiday. Ok, I’m still pissed as all hell, but I tried.
Does anyone think that Chip was letting Foles throw a ton to see how well he would do? I don’t think there was never a time where Chip would let his QB chuck it 62 times when it was a tight game (Oregon fans please confirm).
Well, the cards D is ranked better against the run than the pass so I guess lots of passing was probably in the gameplan.
If a team gives up a lot of balls in the air he’ll expect his QB to do that, especially once peterson went out – should have been open season.
Peterson wasn’t doing so great up to that point anyway.
Not quite the same . . .
But in the 2010 (mythical) National Title Game against Auburn, Kelly called about 45 passes for Darron Thomas vs. just 24 rushes for Barner and James.
I mean, Chip would never say “Well, let’s see what Foles can do. I’ll have him throw 62 times, that will really show if he’s any good or not.”
I’m sure the game plan was to throw alot, they wanted to exploit a weakness and for the most part they were able to. They moved the ball well against a good D, just failed miserably when it came time to put points on the board.
But 62 times is insane. What kills me is that the running game was decent against the top run D in the league. McCoy was killing it on that 2nd to last drive, and I would’ve loved to see much more of that throughout the game.
Reminds me of the Vikes game last year. Foles threw 50 times or so and McCoy ran 8 times I think. Both were equally frustrating games.
so Huff will stop bitching about playing time now?
Too bad Kelly wasn’t mic’d this week.
With his arms outstretched, when he “spoke” to Huff after his RZ fumble, I’d really like to know exactly what Kelly said. And how he said it.
I’m sure Kelly was tough on Huff. But I’d like to know exactly what he said, specifically.
I couldn’t lip read, but Kelly did give him a little pat on the shoulder after talking to him so I’m guessing it was along the lines of “you can’t do that, you’re in the big show now. Don’t do it again, we’ll get ’em next time.”
then he told him to go sit in the corner.
Maybe he said ,Hey d bag hold onto the ball or you’ll be bagging groceries next season
Chip Kelly: *pats Huff on shoulder and leans in real close* I’m going to destroy you and everything you love.
he said “you didn’t win the day. you just lost the day.”
Lol
sorry I asked
I think we should get Jackson and try and get Mark Ingram and rejuvenate him
ok but how did Casey Matthews do? I haven’t seen one comment in this thread about him.
so is it just one more game before Mathis and Kelce are back?
CMatt was credited with one tackle, no assists.
For perspective:
Acho had 0-0.
Kendricks 2-0 . . . in the about 5 minutes total he played.
M. Smith II no stats
remember that time we could have got kelvin benjamin instead of M.Smith II
KB didn’t graduate college.
Damn Chip and his Scholastic achievers club
Since Kelvin Benjamin plays on the offense and Marcus Smith II plays defense, what is your point?
The point is,,,,, we would have an incredible receiving corp. I think it is safe to say the defense is ok without Smith II. So basically Smith was a waste of a first round pick.
Be careful rushing to judgement on rookies career potential. Everyone was up in arms about selecting BG over JPP but he turned in only one great year and BG is out performing him this year.
U must be going for the record of most foolish comments in one night. Go root for another team and while ur at it GFurS.
So you are telling me you would rather have Marcus Smith 2 over Kelvin Benjamin? A guaranteed first rounder in Benjamin vs a player who would have potentially been on the board in the 3rd round? Take a hard look in the mirror in regards to foolish comments and GFurS LOL.
Q: with Vincent Jackson and Michael Griffin. Do we win this?
Re: Time of Possession
Eagles won the TOP contest 31:10 – 28:50.
Which just goes to show . . . .
those 75 yard TD’s don’t take much time.
they were there all day, lucky we didn’t get beat more than we did.
Maclin had his 54-yarder.
Call that a draw.
Half a draw.
so we don’t turn the ball over in the red zone and we don’t give up two pass plays over 70 yards each, and we crush them. But all the plays count.
Can I silve lining this and suggest we have a higher ceiling if we can cut down on mistakes, which in a very small sample size (ie playoffs) can be done. Which can be better than being a solid team without as much upside?
My what big what ifs you throw out there.
and then there are unicorns and rainbows too
Somewhere over the rainbow we could be 6-1
7-0 https://33.media.tumblr.com/edaca048aafc25c2ee4d2f0cb018d56b/tumblr_n6tqlhQsFs1tu1mmao1_250.gif
You know, I always see the other teams getting that zero second TD crap
on the highlight of the week. It happens to other teams winning and jumping on each other and going crazy, and you see it
over and over and you’re glad you’re not the team that was victimized by
it. But what about the team who didn’t get it? What about them? Does
anyone care about how they feel????
We’re literally inches away from being 7-0.
But not being able to gain those inches says as much about this team right now as the fact that they only need that many.
Hey . . .
Sorry about the NFL distrib-map thing.
You were right!
No worries.
To me, hose 2 games have the feel that, if we meet again, the calls/plays go the Eagles way. Perhaps I am just trying to find a silver lining but, I keep think – if huff secured the ball, if Carroll II got his head turned around and caught the damn ball, if chip challenged the spot on the Polk goal line run, etc… So many plays/calls went against the birds. So frustrating.
I think if Chip had Rodgers on this offense we can probably just deactivate donnie jones
Not tonight.
wait a second, is the down vote back?!?
Maclin after today is on pace to:
90 catches, 1445 yards, 15 TDs
I hate the cliche but ‘Show Me the Money!’ definitely applies if he keeps up anywhere close to this pace.
True.
But based just on the Giants game, Maclin was on pace for 32 catches and 196 yards.
Don’t matter much if the Eagles miss the playoffs just ask the Desean haters. 😉
I don’t think we miss the playoffs. Still a good team. Even in the 2 losses we were never outclassed
I hope not. However even a 11-5 record may not cut it this year.
on the last FG we had, how about the swinging gate?
Eagles lost a tough game on the road to a team with about the same number of key injuries as the Eagles.
At the Linc, maybe the Eagles win this game.
Either way, turnovers against teams with good, experienced QBs are deadly.
Both losses featured some questionable play calling on the goal line late in the game
what would you have preferred we do?
Score some f’n points.
I understand what you are getting at -it is always a bad call if it didn’t work- but, in all honesty, I was disappointed to see them in shotgun while watching. At least go under center so they have to respect the QB sneak.
Still had chances to beet them both at end. Although they were away games out west.
Agree, but you do not let a receiver get behind you for a 75yd bomb.
Unless you are Nate Allen.
not a let, it’s a foot race. just like djax got behind people.
You know what’s odd? The leading leaders in receiving yards right now are under 6ft tall.
1. TY Hilton – 5’9
2. Antonio Brown – 5’10
3. Golden Tate – 5’10
Aint that a kick in the heaaaad
Little people are faster than big people
Unless you’re Damaris Johnson..
tell that to Usain Bolt.
Its hard for big people to catch a quick agile little person like Sproles. Sorta like trying to watch a regular person try to catch a loose wild rabbit.
I suggested making a try for Tate when he entered Free Agency but was shouted down at the time. Living near Seattle I saw and admired his play over the previous couple of years. He’s a bit like Sproles, if taller. Plays bigger and tougher than he looks.
that’s b/c vjax hasn’t gotten here yet!
who’s gonna throw him the ball? On the other hand Nick is proficient at throwing the ball about 8-9ft high so I guess that could work out.
Eff Pick Foles
Don’t want to hear one single childish negative thing about Maclin ever again. The man caught how many passes? How many touchdowns? How many helmet-to-helmet simultaneous hits? How many bleeding ears? How many partial steel tables of Gatorade? How many attempts to return kicks? The only thing Mr. Maclin didn’t do today was paint the yard lines before the game.
Oh, and by the way, to keep certain folks informed, he stretched the field!
He’s a beast. I still don’t understand why people hate on this dude.
He had a bad year when everybody on the team had a bad year. Somehow it all became his fault. As well, there are some folks, who have never even played so much as a single game of badminton, who were calling him soft.
yeah it’s not an either or it’s do we have a credible second guy? it doesn’t look like it.
Yo, I liked your comment, and agree… if he keeps up his production he should get paid and stay and Eagle. But he got lucky on those punt fumbles where they bounced back in his hands.
Having only started watching the sport since 08, can you guys tell me what your thoughts were about Ben Roethlisberger after his third year when he threw 23 interceptions and 18 touchdowns after his superbowl winning year, as from the outside they seem to have similar starts to their career in terms of the demands in the offense placed on them.
Do you think foles’s ceiling is as high as Roethlisberger is today.
different qbs. big ben is a big body with a big arm. he basically walked into a sb calibur team so didn’t have to do much when he first came, always had a steller d.
Anyone think we would miss Reid’s shovel pass goal line play this much?
You are very, very cruel.
So, how does this work? Should Chip CC Arians on his letter of complaint to the league about the officiating? I hope he asked Bruce where to address it during their post-game handshake…
lmao
Dear little gray men, PLEASE return our 2013 Nick Foles? The clone you left behind is a defective model that repeatedly throws off his back foot resulting in costly interceptions. If you return the real Foles still in good working condition, we’ll sweeten the pot and throw in Nate Allen. You’re welcome to gang probe him to your hearts content. Sincerely,
All the Eagles fans of Planet Earth
So im gonna put some nice warm pads on the bench hopefully nick doesn’t need them but if he has another pick laden game he should use them
The next time the Eagles have a 4th-and inches at the 2 yard line can they please just put in Beau Allen as the ball carrier? Thank you.