Checking Up on the WRs

Posted: November 7th, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 169 Comments »

For this week’s BGN column, I wrote about the state of the Eagles WRs.

This group feels like Chip Kelly receivers. There are no divas. Jeremy Maclin isn’t your normal star receiver. The entire group blocks well. The backups not only play STs, but seem to enjoy it and do a very good job.

As I wrote in the piece, I think Riley Cooper needs to pick up the pace if he wants to return next year. He’s got to show that he can be consistent.

Josh Huff is the guy I’m most curious about. I know some fans are down on the guy, but he could end up being a real nice player. Huff has very good RAC skills. You could see his toughness as he broke multiple tackles last week and moved the chains. Huff had at least one catch of 20 or more yards in each game in his Senior season. He’s not a dynamic gamebreaker, but if you get him the ball on a regular basis he can make some plays.

I think Huff is pressing right now. He’s jonesing to make a big play. The harder you press, the more likely you are to make a mistake. Just play. The big plays will come.

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Speaking of WRs…something odd occurred to me the other day. The non-Eagles player that I wish had played for the Eagles the most is Anquan Boldin. I loved him going back to his FSU days. What a tough, physical WR. And he used to be a pretty good athlete.

The Eagles talked to the Cardinals about him a few years back, but the Cards had no intention of trading him at the time. They were playing games with Boldin and his agent to make them think there was no trade market for him. Jerks.

So which players did you guys dream of seeing in green?


169 Comments on “Checking Up on the WRs”

  1. 1 Ramiroquaaii said at 10:07 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    Huff will be a huge player, seriously. Don’t be fooled by the fumbles.
    And even with a good WR & TE corp, i will loved to see the Eagles dispense Cooper for a big WR.

  2. 2 Media Mike said at 4:59 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    I tend to agree from a talent standpoint, but he need to stop with the stupid drops / fumbles.

  3. 3 GEAGLE said at 11:20 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    Both Mathews and Huff are barely scratching the surface. Think Tom is spot on with Huff pressing too much, it’s like when you are trying for the knockout it never comes, but when you just focus on Technique, your fist lands flush and the knockout comes..
    I’d bet by the end of this year mathews and Huff already show another level of play that we haven’t seen yet, but yeàr two is when I really think they will explode. Looking for an Alshon jeffries type of leap from rookie play to yeàr two play

  4. 4 Henly125 said at 10:17 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    Back when Dawk was here, I had a fantasy (yes, fantasy) of seeing him paired up with Troy Polamalu. Imagine we had that tandem at safety? Sheesh..

    I also wouldve liked to see Julius Peppers in green.

  5. 5 Media Mike said at 5:00 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    It would have been better to pair Dawk with a more talented safety than Polamalu, such as Ed Reed.

    It killed me when the Ravens stole Reed two spots in front of us in the 2002 draft.

  6. 6 Charlie Kelly said at 10:22 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    idk, polamalu was better, that dude is legit freak. and does it so many ways.

  7. 7 Bleedgreen said at 6:22 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    I had the same fantasy. And to rub some more salt on the wound…the eagles drafted Jerome mcdougle the pick before the steelers selected polamalu. ..

  8. 8 Mitchell said at 10:22 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    Hakeem Nicks next year anyone? huh? huh?

  9. 9 oreofestar said at 10:38 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    for what, he’s not good at allows

  10. 10 Mitchell said at 10:47 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    You’re not good at all. He’ll be young, cheap, good size, has shown production in the past. Sounds like a perfect reclamation project. If he doesn’t work out, who cares? Cut him.

  11. 11 EagleNebula said at 10:51 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    I don’t trust ex-Giants. Steve Smith left a sour taste in my mouth.

  12. 12 Mitchell said at 11:30 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    Lol, fair enough.

  13. 13 Anthony Hart said at 11:13 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    He won’t start and he can’t play special teams, little to no chance that he’s ever an Eagles

  14. 14 Mitchell said at 11:31 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    Can’t or hasn’t been asked to?

  15. 15 Charlie Kelly said at 10:23 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    No. he doesnt play STs… and he sucks.

  16. 16 Insomniac said at 1:16 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    A lot better than Cooper.

  17. 17 Media Mike said at 5:00 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    No. Drops too many passes. Shot legs. Poor route running technique.

  18. 18 Mitchell said at 8:13 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    Meh, just a thought.

  19. 19 Charlie Kelly said at 10:22 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    *loud fart noise

  20. 20 Raul Estrada said at 11:00 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    So which players did I dream of seeing in green? Let me think: Larry Fitzgerald along with Boldin. Steve Smith is another. On defense, I really wanted DeMarcus Ware. I thought he’d been an excellent fastball to rotate in the lineup. And Earl Thomas too, of course; along with Frank Gore for rotation purposes.

  21. 21 Mitchell said at 11:32 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    We should have drafted Thomas instead of Graham. hue hue

  22. 22 daveH said at 6:37 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    and it wudve been JPP for me .. but I def remember a tidal wave of fan sentiment for Thomas .. that’s one more reason we all perma pisszzzed at fat andy because he out-thought everyone

  23. 23 SuPaFrO said at 11:15 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    JJ Watts
    Haloti Ngata
    Luke Kuechley
    Von miller?/Clay Mathews
    Eric berry
    Ndkumakung? SUH
    A top 10 Cornerback

    Realistic chances
    KJ wright?
    Hakeem Nicks
    Dion “still not an Eagle but used to be Duck” Jordan
    top 30 Cornerback

  24. 24 SuPaFrO said at 11:22 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    I really would not mind Dez Bryant. .. but to diva unfortunately. … but D.Thomas would be ok with me. ..Megatron would be great as well of course..

  25. 25 Media Mike said at 5:01 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    A lot of us were really hoping for Ngata, but the Ravens (just like the Ed Reed / Lito year) stole him a few pick in front of us. And we got Chicken Boy FSU bum Brod Bunkley instead.

  26. 26 GEAGLE said at 6:39 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    The worst part is drafting Bunley is why we traded away Hollis Thomas, who I always liked in the middle of our Defense. Tank also does a great job on WIP(one of the few worth listening)… We were a classless arrogant banner organization back then, Hollis learmed he was traded from ESPN…NOT COOL

  27. 27 Media Mike said at 7:08 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    I’m not a Hollis Thomas fan. He was running some slumlord level rental properties a few years ago, but I can’t find a link to verify.

  28. 28 Charlie Kelly said at 10:24 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    von miller and kenricks.

  29. 29 Joe Minx said at 11:24 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    So which players did you guys dream of seeing in green?



  30. 30 teltschikfakeout88 said at 11:26 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    Well done sir and bravo!!!

  31. 31 TommyLawlor said at 11:45 PM on November 7th, 2014:


  32. 32 bubqr said at 11:40 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    Steve Smith, but not the one we got. Perfect Philly WR: tough, fiery, undersized but dominant, feisty(and the only WR I remember being triple teamed, I think vs Chicago in the playoffs). Loved Boldin too.
    Draft wise, I was dying for us to get Lamarr Woodley, Eric Berry, Nicks, V. Gholston, Kuechly (that I can remember)
    And of course, for the EMBers, URLAKKERRZZZ

  33. 33 Tdoteaglefan said at 6:35 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    gotta Co-sign your sentiments regarding Steve smith. One of my favourite non-eagle players of all time next to Ray Lewis, Sean Taylor, Aaron Rodgers and Charles Tillman ( four other players i would’ve loved seeing in midnight green). The other day i read that we were pretty close to drafting him when harbaugh was a special teams coach here, and i started dreaming of what could have been

  34. 34 fran35 said at 10:00 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    HEAR, HEAR. I have loved how Steve Smith played since he came into the league. He reminds me of allen Iverson at WR. Fearless and wants to win at all costs. Not a typical diva.

  35. 35 MaggieMagpie said at 3:12 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Tough receiver. Was a free agent last off-season.

    Lions got him instead.
    Doesn’t matter that the call was wrong. Number 81 went up against FOUR DBs to get that ball.

  36. 36 Sv said at 11:43 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    larry fitz

  37. 37 Sokhar20 said at 11:47 PM on November 7th, 2014:

    That we actually had a semi-respectable chance of getting? Earl Thomas. I was sure he was the pick when we traded up. I was celebrating right up to the point where the name was actually announced, then I looked like an asshat.

    At least Brandon seems to be playing well this year.

  38. 38 jesse said at 4:03 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    Agreed not to pour into BG who I think do to injuries and coaches now scheme have held back just think a true gifted safety is so much harder to find then a pass rush specialist

  39. 39 EagleNebula said at 10:37 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    I am convinced the wide 9 would have ruined Earl Thomas

  40. 40 Mike Cappelli said at 2:28 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    I wanted the Eagles to have Mike Alstott on the team, but really I just wanted Andy to run the ball on third and short.

  41. 41 anon said at 3:48 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    can we give denver a 5th for cody lattimer?

  42. 42 Insomniac said at 3:51 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    He’s insurance for DT even though the Broncos don’t need it.

  43. 43 GEAGLE said at 11:10 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    Why? He hasn’t done anything in his first 8 games in the NFL, which by philly fans standards makes him a bum lol

  44. 44 anon said at 11:22 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    hah i said 5th not first!

  45. 45 GEAGLE said at 11:28 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    It’s philly, if 5th round picks don’t look like pro bowlers in October, they suck! Just teasin. I am a cody fan

  46. 46 fran35 said at 12:51 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Dude, not true. However, there is a reasonable expectation that a first rounder should at least be active on game day and contribute as a role player or ST. MSIII is a disappointment thus far, no matter how you slice it. Not a bust though

  47. 47 MaggieMagpie said at 3:14 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Goes back a bit. Terry Bradshaw, FOUR time Super Bowl winner was drafted FIRST overall, did not start a single game until his second year. There have been many others.

  48. 48 GEAGLE said at 5:10 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    That’s just not true! Personel people are concerned with drafting the player who 3 years down the line can be developed into the best player….anything u get from a rookie is gravy,,,,

    Alshon Jeffries, Stephan Hill, big explosive WRs who were drafted the same year… Rookie year, you could have called either a bust, yeàr two Alshon emerges as a friggin Monster! Stephan Hill is almost out of the NFL… Judging their rookie year, was utterly useless.
    Marcus was a raw developmental prospect.he is exactly who I wanted us to draft, and I didn’t expect him to do anything as a rookie.. If he could be a 3rd round pass rusher it would be gravy….. We have 3 OLBs who are playing out of their friggin minds this year, who are you benching to play the Raw rookie? Or are you expecting that the first time in his life we line him up at ILB he looks like Patrick Willis? Lol Marcus is going to grow into a quality Starting OLB and everyone will be pleased with the pick, after the majority of the city crapped all
    Over the kid during his rookie year smh….

    You think we expected to get much from a raw OLB during his rookie year? the problem is Lane was supposed to be a raw prospect but he provided fans instant gratification, so now it has thrown everyone’s expectations out of whack.. I’m sure our coaches knew he would be a project, if people like me knew…. Shame a rookie can’t get 8 games worth of support from his new city before the entire fanbase trashes him…sigh

  49. 49 Mark F said at 8:41 AM on November 9th, 2014:

    The entire fanbase did not trash Marcus Smith. Stop with your philly-fans-suck hyperbole, my gosh, you’re as bad as the Philly media.

  50. 50 jesse said at 3:57 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    Thought we had a shot at luke keuchley would love to see what chip could do with Wilson who I hear the eagles were high on but got taken what three picks before so we took Foles who I still believe in but damn Wilson in chips offense I can only make up my own thoughts of

  51. 51 Media Mike said at 5:03 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    Wilson is already such a great decision maker who never forces a run that he doesn’t have to take. I love watching the guy play and I love even more than idiots don’t understand how he plays and isn’t a running QB. Booger McFarland and Greg Cossell have broken this down a million times for people, but yet they don’t get it.

  52. 52 Media Mike said at 5:04 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    Larry Fitz – when rumors existed he wasn’t staying in Arizona

    Philip Rivers – after the Chargers had the horrible 2012 year, I was hoping they’d totally clean house.

  53. 53 bdbd20 said at 7:35 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    He’s not a WR, but I dreamed of getting Vernon Davis. As a Maryland alum, I watched him destroy LB’s and DB’s. McNabb to Davis would have been special.

  54. 54 GEAGLE said at 11:12 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    He is so soft! Looks like Tarzan, plays like that bitch Jane..
    Ran his mouth all season about wanting more money, and now he is non exsistent… He is the typical Bully, looks great when things are good, punch him in the mouth and he tucks his tail. Can’t win a Super Bowl with heart like his

  55. 55 MaggieMagpie said at 3:16 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Davis has had a bad back all this year, but you’re right, he is obviously an excellent TE.

  56. 56 bill said at 7:43 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    Drew Brees, when SD was shopping him. It was tough, ’cause I was still a huge McNabb fan at the time, but Brees was one of the few college players I have ever made a point of watching in college. That Purdue offense was so much fun to watch, and I thought he’d be perfect for Andy’s offense. Always knew it was a pipe dream, as it made no sense at the time, but I really wanted Drew Brees in midnight green.

  57. 57 Media Mike said at 7:44 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    It would ended badly in a Joe Banner contract negotiation.

  58. 58 unhinged said at 9:51 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    When the AR/JJ tandem was in town, the “undersized-great motor” mantra was in vogue for recruiting DLine players. I was as skeptical then as I am now. I did not have a problem with the Corey Simon/Mike Patterson first round selections, because those were stout, leverage rocks. In 2006 when the Eagles moved up, Haloti Ngata had not yet been snagged by the Ravens, and I was really hoping they were going for the best player – not the best “type”.

  59. 59 NinjaP said at 10:07 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    Ngata went the pick before the eagles.

  60. 60 unhinged said at 10:19 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    He went 2 picks before I believe, but at the time it was announced that Eagles were moving up, the Ngata pick had not been announced, at least I never heard it until just before they announced Wimbley and Bunkley.

  61. 61 NinjaP said at 10:23 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    The eagles didn’t move up the 14th pick was theirs because the terrible McMahon year was just before that draft.

  62. 62 fran35 said at 12:48 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Yessir. I got tired of hearing the term “fastball” used to describe our undersized defenders. I feel that there were so many times we over drafted an undersized defensive player and Andy Reid called the fastballs. AKA Matt mccoy, Bryan Smith, Daniel teo nesheim, etc

  63. 63 fran35 said at 10:02 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    This is probably going to irk some Eagles loyal, but I used to love how Marion Barber ran. He attacked his would be tacklers. Never went out of bounds to avoid contact. Just a total beast. He just happened to play for the Evil Empire. Same thing with Demarcus Ware. Great guy and player on an evil team.

  64. 64 Ark87 said at 12:13 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    sadly he got old fast. Same thing happened to Brandon Jacobs. Jacobs tried to become more finesse, likely because it began to hurt too bad to run the style that made him famous. I wonder who the longest running bruiser-back is. Gore is still kicking along. Bettis could bruise, but was much more nimble, would use finesse more than a lot of folks remember. Duce was similar.

    ACV summon: how bout it, history have any seriously physical backs that were very productive over a long stretch?

  65. 65 jshort said at 12:21 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Jim Brown had over 12,000 yds in 9 seasons…Think he was considered a bruiser.

  66. 66 Ark87 said at 12:41 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    He was everything. A man among boys. Just a modern athlete, except what every modern athlete achieves is the result of sports science and relentless training, Brown was just natural. The the dude quit in his prime just because he felt like it, yeah you’re probably right, that dude was just built different.

  67. 67 flyingdutchman said at 9:55 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    It’s a shame you young Iggles fans weren’t around to enjoy The Flying Dutchman aka Supersonic Steve etc. back in his heyday as the greatest runner in pro football prior to my fellow ‘Cuse alumnus Jim Brown. In the 40’s there were few rules to control the mayhem that occurred in tackles and in the pileups. Basically anything went! If it went too overboard the Iggles had an unstoppable remedy. They would run Van Buren at the offending player again and again until Steve simply pulverized him. He was their Equalizer and was feared throughout the league. The amazing thing was that along with his power he had such unbelievable speed (once beat an Olympic sprinter in a match race) that he froze defenders who never knew whether they should be ready to move or brace for impact.

  68. 68 fran35 said at 12:43 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Good comparison on Jacob. However, I always thought that Jacob was overrated. He ran upright and fumbled regularly. He also tried to finesse at times. With Barber, he knew his skill set and didn’t stray. He reminded me of Dawkins playing as a running back.

  69. 69 Ark87 said at 12:50 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Yeah, once he started trying to play with finesse, it was all down hill for him. It’s a shame so many players try to play like players they’re not. I think of guys like Hank Basket and Momah trying to play like Marvin Harrison. You’re never going to be that guy, you’ve got to maximize every drop of the gifts you got to make it in this league. Frustrating to see so many big guys waste that. Meanwhile Barber wasn’t that big, neither is Marshawn Lynch, or Dawk, or Honey Badger. It’s still a physical sport that awards playing big.

  70. 70 xeynon said at 2:15 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Going back a bit, but John Riggins was still an All-Pro caliber RB as a bruiser in his mid-30s. He finally retired in 1985 when injuries overcame him, but he was still running effectively even that year before he went down, at the age of 36.

  71. 71 daveH said at 12:34 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    agreed except that it wore him down twice as quickly

  72. 72 P_P_K said at 10:14 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    Having Fitz would have been a dream come true. I’m saying here and now that Matthews is going to be a Pro-Bowl stud. And, true confessions be told, I thought Freddie Mitchell was a great pick. Shows what I know.

  73. 73 daveH said at 10:24 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    agreed very much on Anquon Boldin. but for me its not about who I wish we brought in, but who I wish we never let go! theres something about drafting a guy makes him our guy! getting a free agent not quite the same.
    seeing Dawk I non-green was the worst. wait, eagles NOT calling him was the worst! blame it forever on fat andy and joe nickles. no excuses accepted. permanent violation against the franchise/franchise treason actually.
    same w Trotter because that cost us dearly and it was over money.
    I liked jevon kearse.

  74. 74 P_P_K said at 10:32 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    I agree with you, seeing Dawk on the field in another uniform was the worst. Have you caught him in a suit and tie doing commentary? He’s good, Not great yet, but good.
    Didn’t we get Kearse and TO in the same off-season? I remember thinking we hit the free-agent bonanza. Then Kearse got skinny and TO went nuts.

  75. 75 BobSmith77 said at 10:52 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    No way and Reggie Whtie was a lot worse. Guess it depends on age but it still baffles me on people who think Dawkins was a better overall player who had more impact than White. White at his absolute prime in ’86-’90 was one of the best players ever (arguably the best) at his position.

    White was still productive/very productive for several more years too. Dawkins had half of a really good year in Denver, got hurt, and was largely ineffective & a scheme liability his last year there.

  76. 76 P_P_K said at 11:09 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    The difference is that Reggie left because he wanted more money and a better chance to win a Super Bowl. Oh yea, he also claimed God told him to go to Green Bay,
    Dawk was shown the door.

  77. 77 ICDogg said at 2:53 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Not so. The Eagles didn’t even make an offer to try to retain him, at least according to his wife. Reggie was very hurt by that.

  78. 78 P_P_K said at 5:31 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    The way I remember things is that the 31 year-old White wanted huge money and had teams opening their wallets left and right. You could be right. Either the Eagles didn’t compete, couldn’t sompete or, as this was before Lurie and Norm Braman was a lousy owner and notorious cheapskate, did let him walk.

  79. 79 daveH said at 12:41 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    C O M P L E T E A G R E E M E N T
    but management was worse then and we all knew it. everyone knew it.
    worse to me was fat andy playing his gm & coach act, “im the man im paying myself 5 mil but im a regular guy like you’ role.
    I also hated seeing keITH jACKSON go. he was sofa king great and he only made like 250K from his rookie contract and poof we dusted him as soon as he deserved the real contract.
    embarrasses me just thinking of it.

  80. 80 wee2424 said at 1:28 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Kearse may have torn his ACL with us about as many times as he had a sack. Large over exageration, but i think it was like 2 within the few years he was an eagle.

  81. 81 BobSmith77 said at 10:44 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    Interesting comment from Didinger this morning on WIP regarding Ryans/Smith:

    – Eagles will play a lot more 2 LB situations and get Caroll on the field more often since the coaching staff has really like what he has done.

    – Coaching staff lost whatever confidence they had in Smith this year after the Gore TD in SF (easy read where Smith just had to pick up Gore out of the backfield on a basic route). Also added that the special teams coaches don’t think Smith can contribute either on special teams coverage and that there is going to be some games where Smith doesn’t even dress down the stretch.

    Didinger wrapped up the conversation by calling it a ‘head-scratching’ pitch the day they made it and that there were a number of picks made after it who really could have helped the team this year.

    Exactly what I have thought and it speaks volumes when the coaching staff thinks an athletic guy like Smith has so little awareness that he can even contribute on special teams because he can’t hold a lane & do his job.

    Terrible pick that has really hurt the team this year and complicates their offseason since releasing Cole & inserting Smith as the default starter at OLB could be a disastrous move.

  82. 82 EagleNebula said at 11:06 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    Sounds odd to make such a rash decision off one play at a position he had 3 days experience at when that play happened. Plus, he got playing time after that game (including a game where chip complimented his ST play) so the timeline doesn’t seem to fit a “lost total confidence” narrative. But, I guess we will see what happens down the stretch.

  83. 83 anon said at 11:09 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    Odd since nate allen gives up tds every week and still starts. I will say that jordan poyer gave up a st TD against the broncos and was immediately sent to the practice squad.

  84. 84 BlindChow said at 11:28 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    Poyer was cut to make room for Tucker. (Polk had been injured that week.)

  85. 85 anon said at 11:34 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    Polk injured? I don’t believe it. You gotta ask why poyer was the one to go, when we had other terrible CBs/players.

  86. 86 GEAGLE said at 11:26 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    No way it’s true… Marcus has played since the Niners game. Irresponsible crap from Didinger. Bet you see marcus on defense tomorrow. 6-10 snaps

    Even if Meco andKendrick. We’re both healthy. I still would expect to see Carrol and our Dime, because it has been effective for us, not because of our LB situation

  87. 87 GEAGLE said at 11:26 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    Bet marcus plays 6-10 snaps tomorrow…and by now, LOL @ talking about draft picks in terms of rookie production. It literally means NOTHING…only morons draft kids depending on who can help the most as a rookie..

    Carrol has been playing since Kendrick got hurt…and Carroll and our dime have played their way to more snaps, regardless what Marcus, Caseys and Acho are up to…shame people can’t give Carrol his respect without crapping on our rookie.
    I bet Didinger is talking out his ass and that marcus will see some snaps on defense tomorrow

  88. 88 EagleNebula said at 12:00 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Maybe he had the same source as the guy saying they soured on Foles?

  89. 89 jshort said at 12:12 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Wait a second….Were we supposed to turn the clocks ahead a day last week?

  90. 90 GEAGLE said at 5:14 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    You serious? How the he’ll have you been living all week and hour behind? LOL

  91. 91 jshort said at 5:25 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    No read the post…yours has us playing tomorrow….we play Monday….supposed to be a joke.

  92. 92 Avery Greene said at 6:48 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Carroll also looks healthy. I don’t think he was 100% to start the year.

  93. 93 mtn_green said at 11:48 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    The sf game gore stayed in to block, ms2 rushed on a blue dog blitz. Kaep did his 15 sec of playing Houdini and ms2 did follow him out into coverage. In fact not a single eagle was on that side of the field. It was more of a scramble drill mess up than a blown coverage. He probably had three days of ILB training which would make you assignment different in the scramble drill than OLB.

  94. 94 76mustang said at 12:00 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Every professional in the business of the NFL says you can’t grade a draft for 3 years. I guess Didinger revealed himself as an unprofessional NFL reporter.

    As to his inner “source” providing him with these insights – sure seems tailored to the negadelphian audience that drives the discussion/ratings…pretty easy to not reveal your source(s), especially knowing the tight-knit staff will refute/deny such inflammatory statements.

  95. 95 wee2424 said at 12:53 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Look, i keep saying lets wait on Smith, but what Diddy said was fact not opinion. I am not saying give up on him, but we all have seen this story before with other first round picks and it generally ends up the same.

  96. 96 Cafone said at 3:10 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Ray Diddy is great when it comes to the NFL and the Eagles, but when it comes to the draft and college players he generally seems to know less than an average fan.

    A “head scratching pick” to Diddy is a pick that doesn’t line up with what Mel Kiper thinks.

  97. 97 D3FB said at 5:09 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    I’m going to have to call BS on Diddy for this one.

  98. 98 GEAGLE said at 11:08 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    For years we flirted with rumors of Anquan and Fitzgerld.. I would have prefered BOldin, Tho not having to play against Fitz would certainly have its merits.

  99. 99 wee2424 said at 1:17 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Fitz is an Eagle killer. Even though he is declining and this is a down year for him i just had a feeling that he was going to put up decent numbers on us.

  100. 100 Sb2bowl said at 2:25 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Just like when we beat the Cards back in 2008 on Thanksgiving day, only to lose to them in the NFC Champ game, this year we beat the Cards to go to the SB in Arizona. Wait and see

  101. 101 GEAGLE said at 7:00 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    I had a Luck vs, FOles Superowl Dream the other night…annoyed that I can’t remember who won lol

  102. 102 GEAGLE said at 11:30 AM on November 8th, 2014:

    Cool seeing Maclin, Burton and a few of the birds out supporting the lowly sixers last night,.. Surprised with how in tuned Maclin was with sixers affairs

  103. 103 wee2424 said at 1:15 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    The only teams i support are Philly teams, but i dont watch the sixers much. I have the Sportscenter app on my phone and i.always get notifications. I feel like every notification i get regarding the 6ers is a loss.

  104. 104 ICDogg said at 2:30 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    I’ve watched part of every Sixers game so far this year and I have to say, they are very entertaining. Full of energy even though overmatched, you can see some potential with some of these guys. They have lost every game but have hung tough through three quarters of all of them.

  105. 105 RobNE said at 3:54 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    that would be a good result for the year.

  106. 106 GEAGLE said at 5:15 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    If you just shut the sixers games off at the end of the 3rd quarter, we look awesome lol

  107. 107 D3FB said at 5:04 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    The future is bright:

  108. 108 GEAGLE said at 5:23 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    People including myself misjudged NOel. We all thought we were just getting a Defensive GAMECHANGER, but this kid is just too damn coordinated to not grow into a solid offensive game…
    The talemt/potential is clearly in him! Every night on offense, he is able to pull something off that you just don’t see 7 footers do… The trick now is to grow and cultivate those offensive skills so that he can put them to use consistently..
    He will be a special weapon on defense who can almost guard every position…but 2/3 years from now, he will be a much better of endive play year that than expected him to be when to drafted him…. Heck, just how active he is always moving around, a big PG like MCW who can see over the defense should be able to find him for easy dunks all day… NOel and MCW are good for each others a development

    But Joel the lion King Embiid is the real “Crown Jewel” of the sixers… 4 years from now, he is talented enough to have a chance to grow into the best athlete in philly sports…

  109. 109 KillaKadafi said at 1:02 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Back before he had his knee injury I wanted Javon Walker.

    I still don’t understand how we didn’t re-sign Donte Stallworth after the 2006 season and then went out and signed Kevin Curtis to replace him for pretty much the same amount of money that New England paid for Stallworth. I liked the starting duo of Reggie Brown & Stallworth, now if Curtis was the 3rd receiver that would have been a nice WR corp.

    Like a number of fans I wanted Fitz or Boldin throughout their careers

  110. 110 wee2424 said at 1:13 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    I do wonder who would have been better with Mcnabb when he was at his best. Mcnabb always had a good deep ball which i think would have matched up with Fitz’s abilities real well. Maybe if Mcnabb was more accurate and was able to put more touch on his balls Boldin may have been better. Lol, either one would have been great to have though.

  111. 111 Cafone said at 3:07 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Stallworth was in the league’s substance abuse program. He was hurt a lot. And I seem to remember him getting busted on one of the bridges for bringing an unregistered gun across state lines.

    Considering he did eventually kill a guy, maybe they thought he was more trouble than he was worth.

  112. 112 GermanEagle said at 3:11 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    I just had to google to make sure Stallworth didn’t shoot a guy.

  113. 113 KillaKadafi said at 6:36 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Everything you said is true, but maybe its a bit harsh – the story behind the guy he killed is not so straightforward but he pleaded guilty as he saw it as his moral obligation (btw I’m not defending him, if you haven’t read into it I really suggest you do, he could have beat the charges in court but he decided to do the right thing)

    The substance abuse program? I’m sure there are and were many Eagles (just like in every other NFL team) that either had players in the program or at the very least were using. I’m not sure that he was ever banned for violating the substance abuse in the coming years either – but then he did run over a guy while legally drunk.

    I’ve never heard of the gun across state lines incident, I couldn’t find it on google either, any links?

    I always saw him as a Buckhalter-type character, in that he wasn’t a diva or a bad guy but he made some questionable decisions in his life (getting busted for weed/the paternity test issue – the kid was a spitting image Lol). He was no TO or D-Jax

    I understand the reasoning behind not signing him up, but perhaps things would have turned out differently in a stable environment with a high-character team.

  114. 114 BC1968 said at 1:17 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    So which players did you guys dream of seeing in green?Any of these players?

  115. 115 wee2424 said at 1:19 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Can they play ILB. All jokes aside i drafted them to my fantasy allstar bedroom team. I traded my GF for the one in the middle.

  116. 116 BC1968 said at 1:25 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    She kind of looks like this one we could use if Kelce goes down again

  117. 117 wee2424 said at 1:31 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Sanchez would get to distracted playing under center. It would be another buttfumble but for a different reason.

  118. 118 P_P_K said at 5:33 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Good one! Poor Mark, he’ll never ive that down.

  119. 119 xeynon said at 2:19 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    The “what if” that haunts me, and that people don’t talk about much, is Reggie Wayne. The Eagles had a choice between him and Freddie Mitchell in the 2001 draft, and went with Mitchell. While FredEx had a few moments in the league, he never developed into anything more than a passable slot receiver and was a serious pain in the ass to boot. Wayne, meanwhile, went on to a HoF career opposite Marvin Harrison in Indy. If the Eagles had taken him, they might have made it to the Super Bowl more than once with McNabb.

  120. 120 KillaKadafi said at 6:46 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    The funny thing is that Wayne is the high-character type that the Eagles supposedly only invested in pre-TO and then pre-DJax

  121. 121 jshort said at 6:50 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    The 4th and 26 was worth it.

  122. 122 GEAGLE said at 6:58 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Cancun Nights with that wacko made him worth the pick for me lol

  123. 123 Red Neck said at 2:31 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Hines Ward would be a perfect fit for this Eagles offense.

  124. 124 iceberg584 said at 2:56 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Is Reggie Wayne still Reggie Wayne without Peyton. Not saying he wouldn’t have been a far better choice than FredEx, but I think it’s fair to temper expectations of what his impact might have been

  125. 125 xeynon said at 2:58 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    He’s been pretty good post-Peyton/post-Harrison. So while he might not have put up the same numbers, I feel confident in saying he still would’ve been a very good player and the best receiver of the McNabb era not named Terrell Owens.

  126. 126 MaggieMagpie said at 3:02 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Sorry, I’m not a guy, but, who did I wish to see in Midnight Green this year? Anthony Barr on Draft Day. Golden Tate during Free Agency.

  127. 127 SDbirdgang said at 4:33 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Eric Berry!

  128. 128 GermanEagle said at 4:48 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    I don’t understand the love for Sammy Coates. His only treat is speed. Hands are nothing special. Plus he would need to learn proper Routes in the NFL. I hope the Eagles don’t draft him in the 1st.

  129. 129 Insomniac said at 6:21 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Poor man’s Cordarelle Patterson. He’s a good project type guy that has a high ceiling. He’s not sniffing the first round so idk where you’re getting that from.

  130. 130 oreofestar said at 8:01 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Not sure bout that he may be a first round guy but it’s November who knows

  131. 131 GEAGLE said at 7:58 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Explosive… Physical blocker.
    I also can’t stand the “bad hands” talk… I think it’s complete bullshit. catching the ball is a prerequisite for playing WR,,there is no such a thing IMO as top WR prospects who have bad hands…IMO there are only two categories:
    1) “Great hands” kids like ODB who snatch everything out of the air, who’s hands jump out of the screen at you..
    And then there is…
    2) Regular hands… Which need constant work… IMO, unless you have exceptional hands like ODB, you should be on the Jugg machine consistent,y, throughout your entire career..

    So many kids are given the “bad hand” label, but it’s a load of crap,..a kid with “bad hands” like Moncrief or Jordan mathews, would never even be able to play in an NFL game if he really had bad hands… Those players don’t have EXCEPTIONAL Hands, and in a league with exceptional players, those WR are going to have to constantly work at it, but in no way do they have bad hands that will hinder them from NFL success, which IMO is what bad hands is supposed to be,.. Too many GREAT WR in the NFL went to the NFL with the “bad hands” label

  132. 132 wee2424 said at 1:40 AM on November 9th, 2014:

    I get what you are saying but when someone says that player has bad hands, that player is not being compared to the general population, he is being compared to other NFL players at his position. So yes, that player may have bad hands compared to other players within his position group. Therefore the term bad hands is a valid term when comparing one athlete to another.

  133. 133 GermanEagle said at 5:25 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Miles Garrett from Texas A & M would look great in Eagles green. Unfortunately we will have to wait another couple of years before he enters the Draft.

  134. 134 GEAGLE said at 6:36 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Drafting Shawn Andrews who scouts knew didnt like playing football, over,Vince Wilfork who is still BEASTING a million years after Andrews retired
    And had we drafted Wilfork, the “other” Andrews brother wouldn’t have embezzled us
    I’m pissed my boy Christian Kirskey is balling for the browns

  135. 135 Media Mike said at 7:02 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Andrews made an all-pro team however. He was also the best G in football for 2 years. It wasn’t like he was a Watkins level quitter.

  136. 136 GEAGLE said at 7:17 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    I would agree, but what I can’t get over is that, the KNOWN KNOCK on him as a college prospect, ended up materializing in real life… Everyone said that he didn’t love the game, wouldn’t play hurt…. The Exact predraft red flags ended up being a prophesy he fulfilled…
    When Andrews was on his game, he was easily one of the very best OG in the game…but especially at THAT position, we didn’t get our money’s worth…a first round Guard should be a 10 yr eagle….just think it’s been YEARS since he retired and Wilfork is still anchoring a bellicek defense..just the Longevity factor alone makes it dissapointing,.. Would have been interesting to see a Monster like Wilfork in Jim Johnson’s 4-3 just commanding all types of attention in the middle while Jim Johnson blitzed everything from Trotter to the kitchen sink

  137. 137 Insomniac said at 6:43 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    I wouldn’t mind Kevin White in midnight green at all but he probably won’t make it to where we draft.

    good but long analysis on him.

  138. 138 GermanEagle said at 6:46 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Now we’re talking. KW is my favourite WR in next year’s draft. Doubt he will make it to #32 though either.

  139. 139 GEAGLE said at 6:54 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Yeah he is in the Amari Cooper category for me, guys who aren’t even worth paying attention to because they will go too high…
    Aggrivated that my boy Shawn Oakman from Baylor is shooting Up boards into that pipe dream Category… He is the type of DE talemt that allows you to trade Vinny Curry for a stud young OLB who happens to be a freak in coverage, we won’t mention names lol..or a high draft pick…
    I just feel like adding Oakman or Arik Armstead to our 2nd team DL would be a monster boost to our front 7..curry is only under contract for one more year, we should have any idea soon about re signing him or not, if the answer isn o,smell when his value is high…
    Oakman/or Armstead, Beau Allen, Taylor Hart/Bair… Is a sick 2nd wave DL..
    Both are 6’7, long arms, freak athlete/Basketball player, and Arik is INTENSE! I view them as potential Cox types, elite two gappers, who can also rush the passer….. Last 3-4 DE I really wanted was Margus Hunt…
    Of course, DE isnt one of our drastic needs so they are probably longshots. The only reason you still even consider them is because the trenches are so important, and you have to draft your own beast DL, they don’t hit free agency and you get stuck having to overpay for second teir talent at DL in free agency..

    Trenches are so important, I’m always Ok with spending high picks on OL or DL

  140. 140 Avery Greene said at 6:51 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    I wanted Warren Sapp so bad because I thought if he came here, he’d be like Jerome Brown. I like stud defensive players that change the game. If I had to choose someone today, I’d probably go Patrick Peterson since he’s def got the age factor over Revis.

  141. 141 Media Mike said at 7:01 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    That was painful. Sapp was the man. And he almost beat the cheating Nebraska team that was inappropriately awarded Penn State’s title in 94.

  142. 142 GEAGLE said at 7:02 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    What games is everyone watching next? Don’t know which of these college games to watch…. I usually just watch whatever game has the defensive draft prospects I like the most.. But slim pickings in Alabama vs, LSU, TCU game, and I am not really crazy about the Michigan ST. defensive prospects.. This sucks

  143. 143 Media Mike said at 7:03 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Flyers now.

    Hopkins at 10:45

  144. 144 GEAGLE said at 7:10 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    UFC @ 10… I don’t miss “Shogun” Rua fights,…. Glory Kickboxing was amazing last night on Spike TV if anyone caught it….Zack Mwekassa is one scary man!
    Nevermind,..didn’t realize UCLA was on TV.. HELLO BABY KENDRICKS!! Omigawe Omirindaz (I literally just typed a bunch on letters in no specific order because I will never remember the kids names but the edge rusher for UCLA lol) and LB Myles Jack should be a bad ass next year…. Also like a bunch of the Washington defenders, like SHaq Thomp, sucks the CB kicked off team…
    Tho Loisville defense is also playing,,.. Hmmm Lorenzo Mauldin OLB opposite of Marcus smith

  145. 145 Media Mike said at 7:12 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    I can’t deal with UFC. Very 2nd / 3rd level athletes there.

  146. 146 GEAGLE said at 7:28 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    That’s an insane statement….I assume I should chalk that up to ignorance?
    Nothing 2nd level about elite mma fighters,, guys like Jon Jones and GSP could have been great at whatever sport they wanted… Talking about a sport where all the D1 all american, national champion, Olmpic wrestlers go after they are done with their wrestling careers,.

    Olympic wrestlers like Dan Henderson, Daniel Cormier
    GSP is a 2nd rate athlete? On Mondays that dude will go train with the Canadian Wrestling team, on Tuesday he goes trains with Olympic Gymnasts..and on Thursdays he trains with world class power lifters..

    NBA, NFL players are all lb doing mma training in the offseason. No athletes train more than a top level UFC fighter… Dude thebest fighters train like 3 times a day, 6 days a week, which is insanity

    Curipus to see how long it takes world class DUTCH/Thai kickboxing to become big in the USA.. it’s coming, Glory Kickboxing will breakthrough and become BIG in the USA now that it has Spike TV as a free platform with an established combat sport fanbase… Glory kickboxing is the next big thing in the USA, just not sure how long it will take to really blow up… Once an America sees Gokan Saki or Daniel Ghitta fight, regular boxing becomes boring….watch Zack Mwekassa vs, Saulo Cavalri and tell me why I would ever watch boxing again?

  147. 147 Media Mike said at 7:34 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    I’ve tried to watch it over the years. It just strikes me as several rungs below boxing athletically in terms of the skill of the participants.

    I get the excitement level when the guys aren’t grappling, but I really don’t care for UFC.

  148. 148 GEAGLE said at 7:46 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Fair enough… If you ever come across Glory Kickboxing on Spike TV and you happen to catch a Gokhan Saki or Daniel Ghitta fight, let me know what you thought of it compared to Boxing… Love DUtch and Thai kickboxing.

    The only weird part about UFC and MMA is that it practically had to develop its own striking style. Everyone trains in boxing, kickboxing but you can’t box or KICkboxer because you can’t fight with those stances or you will get taken down all night…so basically it had to evolve into its own striking, trying to box, and KICkbox out of a wrestlers stance….which is why, you aren’t really seeing traditional elite level striking in the UFC, mma striking is like a new sport in its own right,,.. So there are Elite level mma strikers, but most would get killed in a glory kickboxing ring againsg world class dutch Kickboxers… But those DUTCH Kickboxers would in return get destroyed in a ufc cage
    I will say UFC is prob the best sporting event live you can ever go to…and that goes for people who aren’t crazed fans too…. Just so much energy in the building, there just isn’t anything like it…what I would have given to be at the Saitama super arena, 60,000 Japanese fans watching Fedor vs, Cro Cop in 2005 smh

  149. 149 oreofestar said at 7:26 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Oregon!!! Also Florida st has guys worth checking but Oregon!!!

  150. 150 GEAGLE said at 7:30 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Noooooo… UCLA vs. Washngton is on now…Eric Kemdricks boy!!

  151. 151 oreofestar said at 7:31 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Where is that I’ll check that out but as a ducks fan and Mariota love I watch every Oregon game plus I have to decide if Olomu is someone well like

  152. 152 GEAGLE said at 7:34 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Fox sports 1, it’s on now

  153. 153 oreofestar said at 7:42 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    I went to.Fox and its TCU vs k state

  154. 154 GEAGLE said at 7:47 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    There is Fox, and then Fox sports one…. It’s channel 78 for me

  155. 155 oreofestar said at 7:58 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Yeah watching need to get a look at Hunley too

  156. 156 GEAGLE said at 8:07 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    still struggle with his draft stock…some days he looks like a 11-20 pick, other times I could see him fall into round 2 like Carr…
    People have the MSU QB ahead of him now..
    Who knows where Winston gets drafted. If that was my son, I’d probably take him out of school NOW, lock him in his room til the draft, not work him out, not let him go to the combine, don’t even let him talk to anyone….kid is a moron. It’s only November, June is a LONG WAY away to trust this kid from not further damaging his stock…. Why even play another game? What more can he even prove on a FB field? He has nothing else to gain.
    He will be viewed as an elite FB talent, but teams will have to be sold on him as a person, not much good he can do for his stock from now to June, but he can do a whole lot of wrong….if I was his agent I would stick Moussad agent security detail around him 24hrs a day to protect himself from his own Jack assery

  157. 157 oreofestar said at 8:11 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Don’t get all the Cook love at all. I could see Hundley going into he second which is where we may have interest in himhim.Winston i have mixed feelings about on the field let alone off of it but I know how much Chip talks about culture but if he is there at 27 or whatever you have to consider it. Honestly I still see the Jets or Bucs oR Texans grabbing him. In the End Mariota is still my man

  158. 158 jshort said at 7:34 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Can’t wait till 10, getting to really like watching the Ducks. On the others I’ll be flipping.

  159. 159 GEAGLE said at 7:49 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    I don’t like any college team in particular, I just watch the games with the most potential future eagles playing..
    Tho I think the new BCS playoff might make me enjoy the college game again…

  160. 160 GEAGLE said at 8:16 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Wow, Myles Jack with the sick TD run….love the defensive prospects in this UCLA vs. Washington game… Battle of the stud two way playërs Jack vs, Shaq!

  161. 161 oreofestar said at 8:17 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    And Marcus Pet….nvm

  162. 162 GEAGLE said at 8:19 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Lol kicked off team or suspended?mforget which one…. Love his game, but I crossed that knucklehead off a chip kelly wishlist a while ago…
    lacks Chip Kelly Character, not a team captain, not graduating… Clearly not a future eagle, Tho I wouldn’t be surprise if he was still the first CB drafted, talented kid

  163. 163 oreofestar said at 8:20 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Love him on the field , he is extremely talented and I still think hell go top 15. Olomu, Carter and Darby in far more likely to be drafted by us if we go that direction

  164. 164 GEAGLE said at 8:24 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    No way we draft OLOMU.l too small..
    I’d bet on Alex Carter from Stanford or Jalen Collins from LSU 6’2 195lbs, Tho I’m not sure if he will be a corner or a safety at the next level… I’m DVR the Alabama game so I can go back and see when he is matched up with Cooper.
    Feel like Chip will stay away from FSU players. I don’t have any evidence or even a reason for this, just a gut feeling… Passed on Kelvin Benjamin, we didn’t even take a flier on OLBS/ILB Christian Jones… Curious to see if we ever draft a Florida state kid.. Don’t know why, I just get the impression they are dumb and Undiscaplined

  165. 165 oreofestar said at 8:29 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Maybe its my Oregon bias but I think Olomu should get a look despite size

  166. 166 Charlie Kelly said at 10:17 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    Larry Fitz. In green. Wings on the helmet. nuff said.

  167. 167 A_T_G said at 11:34 PM on November 8th, 2014:

    For a couple of years there I really wanted that safety from Denver, Brian Dawkins.

  168. 168 mtn_green said at 10:46 AM on November 9th, 2014:

    What is etiquette on fantasy football, if opponent has an injured player starting? Message him or take the win?

  169. 169 cecil said at 11:53 AM on November 21st, 2014: