Long Term QB Talk

Posted: November 22nd, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 125 Comments »

Mark Sanchez will start the game for the Eagles on Sunday when the team hosts the Titans, but the question of who is the Eagles long term QB remains somewhat open.

I wrote a piece on the subject for BGN.

One idea I touched on is whether RG3 could be available in the future. His career has been a disaster since the end of the 2012 season. RG3 catches a ton of flak for how he’s handled things on and off the field, but I think he still has the potential to be a very good NFL QB. I don’t know if that will happen in DC. Mike Shanahan had an awkward relationship with RG3 and now that same situation is happening with Jay Gruden. RG3 might need a change of scenery.

What could Chip Kelly do with RG3?

It is also very possible that Dan Snyder, who is close to his QB, will fire Jay Gruden and hire a coach who is willing to kiss RG3’s butt. Coaches who want a job bad enough are sometimes willing to make a deal with the devil. And if Snyder is hellbent on sticking with RG3, something like that might need to happen. It is hard to say how much of a future he and Gruden have together. They could work things out, but it easily could stay an awkward relationship. You must have the coach and QB on the same page and getting along.

There is a notion that Kelly can plug just anyone into his system and get results. That is wrong. His system combined with the Eagles personnel is what allows different QBs to have success. If the Raiders were coached by Kelly with their current players, the results would be ugly. Kelly’s coaching would give them some boost, but the man isn’t a magician. He needs talent.

One of the most interesting aspects to all of this is the question of what Kelly wants in a QB. Kelly has coached Michael Vick, Nick Foles, Matt Barkley, GJ Kinne and Mark Sanchez in the NFL. He’s gotten a look at different levels of talent, athleticism, experience and so on. Kelly might have adjusted his thoughts on what he is looking for in a QB. Does Kelly now see the need for a really strong arm? Does he want someone who has superb deep accuracy? Does he want a veteran pocket passer? And so on and so on.

The other interesting angle is that the Eagles could have a shot at some guys they initially passed on in the draft. Geno Smith could be available after this year. EJ Manuel too. Would Kelly change his mind on them if the cost was a mid-to-late round pick? Clearly they’ve struggled or they wouldn’t be available, but you never know if Kelly could see something in them that made him want to coach them now. There are other backups around the league that Kelly could like.

As I mentioned in the piece, this isn’t a strong QB class in the upcoming draft. One guy the Eagles could get is UCLA’s Brett Hundley. He is incredibly talented, but also flawed. You wonder if he could be a player Kelly might be intrigued by.

For better or worse, it feels like there is a good chance Foles will be the guy next year as well.

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My apologies to the GJ Kinne crowd. I know I’m supposed to talk him up as a deep sleeper ready to shock the world and go all Kurt Warner on the NFL, but I haven’t started drinking yet and I clearly can’t write something like that while sober.

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In the piece I mentioned some veteran QBs the Eagles could target. I’m not pushing for the team to go after Jay Cutler or Christian Ponder, but felt I had to mention them simply for the fact they are veteran starters who Kelly could like for one reason or another. I never expected him to draft Matt Barkley or sign Mark Sanchez so I’m learning to cast a wide net when talking about Kelly and QBs.


125 Comments on “Long Term QB Talk”

  1. 1 Daniel Norman Richwine said at 7:38 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    I’d love to read what drunk Tommy has to write about the QB situation…

  2. 2 Media Mike said at 7:41 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Still 10 times better than what any Niner or Panther fan has to say on the subject.

  3. 3 bdbd20 said at 7:41 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    It would probably involve Logan Thomas, Landry Jones and Matt McGloin

  4. 4 phillychuck said at 8:43 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Megan Fox in a funions uniform making all the correct reads and giving Tommy credit in the post-game presser.

  5. 5 Nicodemus_09 said at 9:42 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    I think she might look better wearing a pudding uniform. : )

  6. 6 Media Mike said at 7:40 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Just keep these read one and run scramble bums out of an Eagle uniform. We don’t need to be subjected to any more dead end garbage with these running guys.

    It’ll be a very interesting roster going into year 3 of Kelly for sure.

  7. 7 Media Mike said at 7:42 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    I know most people hate Matt Barkley, and I’m not saying he’s any good, but I want to see how he looks next pre-season.

  8. 8 Mr. Magee said at 11:21 PM on November 23rd, 2014:

    See last pre-season

  9. 9 bdbd20 said at 7:42 PM on November 22nd, 2014:


    Any thoughts on Sam Bradford if the Rams decide to move on with Winston/Mariota?

  10. 10 Reef215 said at 7:43 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Bradford is overrated

  11. 11 Media Mike said at 7:45 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    But if he’d be a cheap guy off of the street to put in the mix for a year (like Sanchez this year), it couldn’t hurt.

  12. 12 D3FB said at 11:08 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    And I don’t think he’s ever had a competent OC.

  13. 13 Dragon_Eagle said at 10:18 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Agree with Mike below. He looks like a fairly inexpensive guy to bring in who has never had a good offense around him. Just can’t stay healthy, but as a backup should be perfectly fine.

  14. 14 holeplug said at 9:48 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    If Sanchez leaves he’s a guy I would target for the backup job next year.

  15. 15 Media Mike said at 7:44 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Greg Cossell, on Ross Tucker’s Sirius NFL show the other day, stated that there are no QBs in this draft worth a top 5 pick.

  16. 16 Reef215 said at 7:49 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    The current trend of the NFL of SB Champions are this.

    Slightly Above Average QBs + Great Defense – Seattle, Tampa, Baltimore|

    Elite QB play – Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning, Brady, Roth

    Lucky QB play that happens to play great for 4 straight games – E. Manning (no way the QB who leads the league in Ints wins 2 SBs that)

    If we aren’t going to get an ELITE QB we better get a Great Defense! Or Wish on a star that our QB plays out of their mind in the playoffs

  17. 17 bdbd20 said at 7:51 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Not sure the great defense argument is still valid after the rule changes of 2003 (emphasis of illegal contact) and 2012 (defenseless receiver).

    Tough to play great D anymore.

  18. 18 Media Mike said at 8:04 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Baltimore might become a trivia question answer then.

  19. 19 CTAZPA said at 8:26 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    You’ll always have variations in performance – so amend to: Great “relative to the league” D.

  20. 20 Reef215 said at 9:02 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Detroit held GB to 7 points, Arizon held Detroit to 6 points, St. Louis held Denver to 7 points. We held the Giants to 0 points after they were on an offensive hot streak.

    Defense is still alive, and although the secondary has it tougher, the front 7 does not. With the focus on pass rushing specialist from DE to OLB’s guys who normally would be TE’ (or even Receivers) are now bulking up and becoming Defensive players. So the front 7s are stronger, faster and more athletic than before.

    Secondaries are weaker, but front 7s are better

  21. 21 Dragon_Eagle said at 10:22 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    I would put Eli/Giants first Superbowl in the great Defense/above average QB category. 2nd one was the anomaly when Eli played the best of his career.

  22. 22 Media Mike said at 6:31 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Helmet catch.

  23. 23 TommyLawlor said at 7:54 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Interesting theory.

  24. 24 Scott said at 7:51 PM on November 22nd, 2014:


  25. 25 Media Mike said at 8:06 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    That dude would need a ton of work……….. and some HGH to heal up more quickly from being perpetually injured.

  26. 26 wee2424 said at 8:11 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Havent thought at all about Cutler. Numerous reports state this is probably going to be his last year in the Windy City. Out of all the QBs listed he is the most talented, polished and so far successful out of the group. He obviously needs work, however this far into his carreer what we have seen may be the best he can be. He would be an upgrade over Sanchez and Foles, however he wpuld command big bucks. Still generally young for a QB, but also a turnover machine at times. Wonder if that would change under Chip. If the price is right that very may well be the best option out there if it is possible. What do you guys think?

  27. 27 Media Mike said at 8:13 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Cutler, if cut from Chicago, could be had on a one year “prove-it” type deal.

  28. 28 wee2424 said at 8:36 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    I think if we were to sign him it would have to.be a multi year contract. To many truely QB desperate teams out there that would be willing to overspend on him. However we might be the best option for his succes.

  29. 29 Media Mike said at 8:37 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    That is going to be a really interesting concept moving forward. Do guys more want to sign here for a chance to play for Kelly’s team?

  30. 30 wee2424 said at 8:55 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Im not saying it just because Kelly, but also because if you look at alot of these teams that really need a QB our talent level across the board is alot higher.

  31. 31 Dragon_Eagle said at 10:26 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    I agree with the first part, bit I’m not sure Cutler would take well to being put into a QB competition. He’s talented enough to be signed as a starter somewhere.

  32. 32 wee2424 said at 11:12 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    If he were to be signed Chip would probably call it a competition but the reality is there really wouldnt be one. If he were to be signed Sanchez wouldnt be here. Cutler is better then Foles (yes he does do dumb stuff). Also if we were to sign him it would cost major dough and you dont spend major dough for someone to come in an be a backup. If he ended up wearing the green it would to be as a starter nothing else. He isnt someone like Kyle Orton that you bring in to compete with other QB’s hoping that one nudges the other out. With Cutler it would be a full commitment. The question is, are you willing to commit. Failure would be very costly to this franchise. Success could take us to that next level. We have enough weapons on O that we dont need Arod type play to be dominant on that side of the ball.

  33. 33 Media Mike said at 8:13 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    And I think Cutler struggles with the intellect aspect of football. I have a feeling Kelly might kill him in a meeting room.

  34. 34 wee2424 said at 8:42 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Im not sure if he struggles with the intellectual part of it, such as reading defenses, or if its just the fact that he is a gunslinger that is very willing to take risks. Sort of like the way Farve was. I think a better pass pro offensive line may help him out alot.

  35. 35 Media Mike said at 8:44 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Some of the places he chooses to sling that gun are quite dumb.

  36. 36 wee2424 said at 8:53 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    I dont dispute that at all, but on a few of those picks his oline is garbage in pass pro and the D was on him in a second, and he tried to make something happen. Again, thats just on a few of them. Alot of them there are NO excuses for. I just feel as though he is very talented, better then what we have, and somewhat young in QB years. Its possible that under a better system, bettet coaching, and behind a better line some of those mistakes may go away. Again its a MAYBE. You never know exactly what you have untill you have it. Another plus is that he has the ability to run the ball a bit unlike Foles.

  37. 37 Cafone said at 9:24 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Fewer INTs than Foles at the time Foles went out.

  38. 38 Michael Winter Cho said at 9:03 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    His risk taking and bad attitude make for a bad combination.

  39. 39 Mitchell said at 10:01 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Those two would definitely butt heads. People think Nicky Flash is bad with turnovers? Woof, Cutler is worse.

  40. 40 wee2424 said at 11:31 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    This year at the point Foles went out i would say Foles was worse. The TOs are a concern yes. The question is….do you want to trade in one TO prone QB for another one which has more talent though. And if you do is the price worth it. You never know though, maybe Chip sees something where he thinks Cutler really might work out in his system.

  41. 41 Mitchell said at 1:56 PM on November 23rd, 2014:

    I’m talking about Cutler for his entire career. He’s not someone you want starting for you. He isn’t a leader. Tough as shit but not a leader.

  42. 42 wee2424 said at 4:42 PM on November 23rd, 2014:

    He isnt ideal. Not at all. But let me ask you this. Who do you think our offense would be more potent with, Cutler, Foles, or Sanchez? Im not saying Cutler would be a savior but i think he may be better then Foles, and definetly Sanchez.

  43. 43 wee2424 said at 4:58 PM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Heres the problem though. Sanchez isnt the answer, Foles severly reggresed, your not in good enough position in the draft to draft a QB that you can say is going to be your franchise QB of the future. You dont want to give up years of first round picks to get in top 3. So you either say to yourself, im fine with how Foles is playing, or you have extreme faith he will be better next year, or you say we need any kind of upgrade we can get at QB to make us possibly a SB worthy team. The only real upgrade i can see that is possible if CHI decides to split with him is Cutler. Again its not ideal, sometimes all the options you have arent ideal, but i think he could possibly be the best upgrade possible. And yes, if we want to win a SB we do need an upgrade, unfortunetly.

  44. 44 Mitchell said at 5:38 PM on November 23rd, 2014:

    He’s not an upgrade.

  45. 45 wee2424 said at 5:59 PM on November 23rd, 2014:

    I respect your opinion, there are going to be some that think that, and there are going to be some that think he is. Im of the mindset that he is. Im not saying he is going to go Tom Brady, im not even saying he would be a huge upgrade, but i do think he could be a marginal upgrade.

  46. 46 Mitchell said at 5:41 PM on November 23rd, 2014:

    And they just gave him that huge contract. They aren’t gonna cut him

  47. 47 wee2424 said at 5:55 PM on November 23rd, 2014:

    No they wont just cut him, it would probably be a trade. Im not saying he is definetly going to be available. Im just saying there were reports it may be his last season in CHI, and if there is any truth to it, it may be worth the Eagles checking it out.

  48. 48 Mr. Magee said at 11:13 PM on November 23rd, 2014:

    One of the worst ideas of I’ve ever read, tbh with you

  49. 49 wee2424 said at 9:48 AM on November 25th, 2014:

    Because our current QB’s are so good right?

  50. 50 Mr. Magee said at 2:35 PM on November 25th, 2014:

    What do you get when you mesh tremendous physical tools with a terrible mind? A horrible QB.

  51. 51 wee2424 said at 11:21 PM on November 25th, 2014:

    Like Geno? Thats a horrible QB. I wouldnt even put Geno in the same class as Cutler. Would you say Cutler is a better QB then Sanchez? I would. If Foles were to come back and play the same as earlier in the year then I would venture to say Cutler may be better then him. I never said Cutler was great. I said he may be better then what we have. Since you know what is a horrible idea or not, what would you do to try and upgrade the QB situation if Sanchez and Foles continue their level of play? An upgrade is needed if it continues. There is NO ideal answer here, so what is yours?

  52. 52 wee2424 said at 11:31 PM on November 25th, 2014:

    To add to my previous statement Cutlers intelligence has never been in question. He can read defences. Its his risk taking. Judging by the comment you made you base turnovers on intelligence. Was Farve an unintelligent QB? No, he was a risktaker and a gungslinger. Also, going by your logic Foles was a very intelligent QB last year, and a dumb QB this year. Does that sound right? Cutler takes risks, way way to many, and yes sometimes stupid risks, however that does not mean he is an unintelligent QB. What was unintelligent and very assumptious was your comment.

  53. 53 Cafone said at 8:28 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Any chance Jameis Winston falls far enough because of character concerns for the Eagles to trade up for him?

  54. 54 Media Mike said at 8:29 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Does that make up for having character and talent concerns?

  55. 55 Cafone said at 8:30 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Talent concerns? Like Kelvin Benjamin?

  56. 56 Media Mike said at 8:31 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    The guy leading the league in drops? That Kelvin Benjamin?

  57. 57 Insomniac said at 11:14 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    TO had drops too but he still put up stupid production because he was big and fast. Dude;s a rookie and lives up to his draft status right now.

  58. 58 wee2424 said at 11:25 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    I think you can admit that there is a major difference between character concerns of a WR and that of a QB who you want to lead and be the face of your franchise in a few years. Look what happened wit Djax and his character concerns. You really think Chip will take Winston?

  59. 59 Media Mike said at 8:35 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Great guy to add to a team.


    Really classy guy.

  60. 60 Cafone said at 9:20 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Less than Cary Williams did in the Super Bowl

  61. 61 ian_no_2 said at 8:36 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    I think Winston will bust. He could have a couple of good games but the team that drafts him in the first two rounds will wish they didn’t. You can get away with certain things on the field, and a level of preparation, in college that you can’t in the pros. His ‘character concerns’ speak not just to his ethics but to whether he has anything near the intelligence to run a pro offense.

  62. 62 Media Mike said at 8:36 PM on November 22nd, 2014:


  63. 63 bill said at 9:55 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Not so much intelligence, as mindset. Kelly values a professional attitude and the culture it breeds. Seems like Winston is the antithesis of this. Closer to DJax than to Celek.

  64. 64 Mitchell said at 10:00 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Yikes, I wouldn’t want a crab-leg stealing rapist on my team!

  65. 65 D3FB said at 11:04 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    I doubt he falls all the way to a UDFA. Which is about the point where I could overlook his shortcomings.

  66. 66 Insomniac said at 11:11 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    What about Braxton Miller? He has the injury concerns to drop all the way down late day 2.

  67. 67 D3FB said at 11:27 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    I still see Braxton as more of an ATH than a QB. If he wants to transition to that position, then he should stay at OSU. If he wants to play QB, then he absolutely needs to transfer to some other D1 program that needs a QB. Go to LSU, or Arkansas, Wisconsin or some program where he could be the man right away and still have some talent around him.

    Personally I take Brandon Bridge somewhere on day 2 and sit him for a year behind Foles. Kid has really high ceiling.

  68. 68 wee2424 said at 11:22 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    If he were to fall for that reason he would continue to fall past the Eagles. Exact opposite of a Chip player, esspecially when you are talking QB.

  69. 69 ian_no_2 said at 8:33 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, Ponder – all busts you don’t want. The QBs on the roster are better.

    RG3 is a question mark but it’s unlikely he’ll be available to miraculously learn how to go through his progressions.

    Mariota may just fall. Happens.

  70. 70 wee2424 said at 8:46 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    I wish, but highly doubt it. To good of a QB in a draft class that isnt full of good QB prospects.

  71. 71 phillychuck said at 8:41 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    If RG3-and-out comes to the Eagles I don’t know if I can keep watching. Would be worse than watching Mike Vick.

  72. 72 Media Mike said at 8:43 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    It would be significantly worse because Vick came here hungry, humble, and appreciative of the opportunity he was given to play again. In spite of my dislike of how Vick plays QB, I found his attitude to be great.

    RGKnee hasn’t humbled himself well enough yet……………and he sucks at quarterbacking.

  73. 73 wee2424 said at 8:44 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Highly doubt RG3 ever wears green. Kelly himself said durability is huge in a player. Also, i.dont think he would want the media circus or distraction he would cause. Not to mention the fact i.just dont think he is really that good at all.

  74. 74 GermanEagle said at 9:07 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Maybe I’m in the minority here but I would love to see game previews on igglesblitz again.

    This is still a great article, but what happened to ‘Know your Enemy’, Tommy?

  75. 75 TommyLawlor said at 9:32 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Time. I have a new job this year and it eats up more time than I’m used to. Game reviews and previews are time consuming because of the amount of research. Some articles can be written quicker than others.

    My weeks used to have a good flow to them. Not this year. And it is driving me crazy.

  76. 76 GermanEagle said at 9:39 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    No worries, mate.

    Hope you’re enjoying your new job. Quick question: what’s your score for Eagles vs Titans tomorrow?

  77. 77 phillychuck said at 10:48 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    I think I speak for a lot of your readers, Tommy, when I say we enjoy whatever you have the time to write, and, in addition, the followers here always post interesting comments, so the community is invaluable as well. Don’t let your job drive you crazy–I’m sure it helps put food on your table and pudding in your fridge.

  78. 78 Michael Winter Cho said at 10:19 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Yeah, Tommy, thanks so much for giving what time you have. Also, I feel your writing style has even improved to a new level recently. Your “Winning” article was very well-written (even though I mostly disagree 🙂

  79. 79 P_P_K said at 8:53 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Do what you gotta’ do, Tommy. I echo phillychuck, we’re grateful you share your knowledge with us and have created a blog where intelligent discussion reigns.

  80. 80 Cafone said at 9:31 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    If the Skins stick with RGIII, maybe the Eagles go for Colt McCoy

  81. 81 GermanEagle said at 9:32 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Foles >>> McCoy

  82. 82 shah8 said at 2:56 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    McCoy is a backup. A bad backup.

  83. 83 GermanEagle said at 9:31 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    I want Eric Kendricks.

  84. 84 Mitchell said at 9:58 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Recently gathered an int against USC.

  85. 85 Anders said at 8:22 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Welcome to the fan club. GEAGLE is the president.

  86. 86 GEAGLE said at 10:06 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Sick one handed INT…. “I’m not just the president, but I’m also a client” lol hair club for men add

  87. 87 GermanEagle said at 12:07 PM on November 23rd, 2014:

    And what are you? CFO?

  88. 88 johnr said at 10:18 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    I’m not so sure that Geno Smith will be available. Jets will be bringing in a new coach who may want to hold on to Smith just to evaluate him. I don’t think he is good at all, but a coach may think they can rehabilitate Smith.

    E.J. Manuel is interesting, but feel like teams want to hold on to QBs a little longer just in case there is a chance they can put it all together.

  89. 89 Dragon_Eagle said at 10:34 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    In addition to the bottom feeders looking for QBs, even for the Cowboys, QB will highly likely be a top priority. Wouldn’t shock me if Romo retires in the offseason. I could see Jerruh going hard after Jay Cutler or trading 3 years worth of draft picks to get Mariota.

    In fact the only currently starting QB in the NFCE I have confidence in starting a year from now is Eli.

  90. 90 EagleNebula said at 11:33 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    Jerry could trade for johny football….

  91. 91 P_P_K said at 8:51 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    That is his style.

  92. 92 Bert's Bells said at 11:34 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    It’s very possible that the Giants pick a QB and Eli is riding the bench by November.

  93. 93 Michael Winter Cho said at 10:20 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Cutler and AP on the Cowboys would be so right, wouldn’t it?

  94. 94 Buge Halls said at 11:08 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    I’d be interested to know what makes anybody think that RGIII is a legitimate long -erm QB. Hell, he’s not even a short-term solution for DC, let alone a long-term solution.

  95. 95 Media Mike said at 6:35 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Draft position. Poor knowledge of the QB position. Subway ads.

  96. 96 P_P_K said at 8:50 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Good one!

  97. 97 Michael Winter Cho said at 10:22 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Okay, playing reverse devil’s advocate, Chip Kelly’s known for his read-option offense and RGIII has the perfect physical abilities to run such an offense. As far as “long-term”, that indeed would require optimism, since neither RGIII nor Kelly’s offense has had sustained success in the NFL.

  98. 98 GEAGLE said at 11:13 PM on November 22nd, 2014:

    They don’t call him “Nicky Franchise” for nothing. Foles is long term QB, period…not that I care to debate it hours away from must win game against the Titans but I digress

  99. 99 shah8 said at 2:28 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Heh, the quickshot before reading further comments:

    Remember, RGIII was a vastly more talented prospect than Marcus Mariota. The essential issue with Mariota is going to be how well he’ll read the field after coming off an even more exotic offense. For all that people talk about Mariota’s athleticism, he looks to have about Manziel’s speed, but is bigger for all of that. Know he’s been timed in high school at 4.48, but that’s not going to be his number as a grown man with bulk. So he’s not *that* fast, certainly not as fast as Jake Locker. Mind you, straight line speed isn’t everything. Geno Smith was 4.59/40, but he’s not anywhere near as fast as Kaepernick at 4.53, and he looks less of a runner than guys like Cam Newton or Jake Locker, who has roughly the same time. People who are genuinely in the 4.4s or better at the QB position look very different from people who are in the 4.6s. Ultimately, out of the QB position, even as a passer, what you want is agility. Joe Webb’s 4.4 speed is a much more significant factor than RGIII’s 4.4 speed, because Webb is essentially the most agile of the really fast QBs, comparable to Newton or Luck. As we’ve seen, he can juke people, etc, for someone playing QB and not RB, WR, etc.

  100. 100 D3FB said at 3:18 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    The Art Briles offense at Baylor is more simplistic than the Oregon O. At the very least they would fall into similar non traditional offensive attacks. Saying RGIII was more advanced in his ability to read the field due ot his college offense is bull.

  101. 101 shah8 said at 2:52 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    And yes, I think trying out Webb and seeing if he can actually pass reliably and learn an offense is a very cheap gamble.

    As for other QBs:
    Sam Bradford? No, injury prone, little moxie, and poor deep ball thrower.

    RGIII will not be available. I know that there’s a lot of heck thrown at him, but Gruden is probably in deeper trouble. The dude hasn’t been in the offense long enough. Were he to be available, I’d say yes, but I’m not sure he’d be a great fit. RGIII doesn’t really have the wiggle and quickness I’d prefer.

    Cam Newton will not be available. Newton would almost certainly destroy the rest of the league in an offense like this. He’d make eminent sense, but I think, despite how some Carolina fans might feel, the org remembers what it’s like to not have a real QB, and they will not roll with a rookie or Derek Freakin’ Anderson.

    Johnny Manziel will not be available, and even if he were, my view of him in the preseason is that he is very raw, and worse, needs every mechanical form to go right to make good throws at league level. He does have the wiggle needed, as a rusher.

    Geno Smith will not be available. Cheap to keep him, and I think much of the problem was just how overwhelmed he was in a bad situation. If the Jets get one of the two biggies, then he might become available if Vick moves on to greener pastures. He has the wiggle and is a reasonable rusher. Can be decent at deep throws, and makes a number of other throws. Like Luck, tends to really want a play to succeed and try to make throws his arm can’t cash. Less refinement and less talented offense means that Smith is in trouble more often.

    Mike Vick probably can be had, but he will not want to come back. Issue with age. Watching Brees, Brady, Manning be all oldster makes me appreciate the practical ceiling issue with tolerating good, but old QBs.

    Jake Locker is made of glass. Horribly inaccurate for any sort of challenging pass. Throw in Blaine Gabbert:coward.

    Tannehill will not be available, but he, like EJ Manuel, has an overt lack of moxie. He’s winning games right now, but he’s really not prone to making plays. Just not as prone as Manuel to being inaccurate on top of the moxie issue. Neither player has much wiggle.

    Pryor has to to have every go right to drive a ball, like Manziel, and he apparently is slow to read the field. BJ Daniels is too small.

    Tarvaris Jackson is made of glass, and has little wiggle.

    Ponder is basically like Pryor in the sense that he has zero natural QB ability. Needs to be perfect in order to do basic throws, and cannot see the field, or pressure, and certainly cannot accurately throw deep properly. Good rusher.

    Honestly guys? I think we’re stuck with Sanchez. I thought there was a decent chance Webb would be here the last offseason, and I think there is still a decent chance next offseason. Just makes far too much sense, in the cheap for the quality sense.

  102. 102 ICDogg said at 2:59 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Yeah, he’s making less than 900k this year so it’s not a giant investment.

  103. 103 shah8 said at 3:06 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Forgot about Cutler. Again, I don’t think that guy will be available. I suppose there are synergies to how the Bears did things in Lovie’s day, but I’m not sure I can imagine Cutler in this offense.

    I am continually amused with the hate for Winston. We will not get a chance to draft him to even hate, guys. College Football has been making a lot of money off of people watching and hoping to see him fail. The NFL will do the same.

  104. 104 GermanEagle said at 6:46 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    i can’t help it but every time I see Winston’s face the words ‘see you next Tuesday’ come to mind.

  105. 105 NinjaP said at 3:01 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    If we get Jay Cutler I would lose all faith in chip and be looking forward to our next coach.

  106. 106 Mr. Magee said at 11:17 PM on November 23rd, 2014:

    You have nothing to worry about

  107. 107 Right_On1 said at 3:24 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    I suspect that the strategy will be three fold:

    1. They’ll keep Foles and see what improvement they get
    2. Sign a veteran – I’d guess a reclamation project, Bradford or Locker would seem the most likely if they are available, could just be Sanchez.
    3. Draft someone in the 2nd/3rd round who needs some work – Bryce Petty, Shane Carden, Brett Hundley, Garrett Grayson.

    They’ll then compete in camp, Foles probably wins out to start the season.

  108. 108 hrtak said at 8:22 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    I still like the guys we have on board. Foles can be decent and there is no need to rush for big contract next year. Still we dont know what we have in Barkley. Also if Sanchez wants to sign for 2 more years, we can wait until 2016 to make the decison and spend time and money to tweaking current roster to SB calliber. Or maybe, Mariota will fall down like Johnny last year and world will be perfect :))

  109. 109 Anders said at 8:34 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    In terms of ability, Jake Locker is my favorite to come in. Sadly he is just too injury prone.

  110. 110 Media Mike said at 8:39 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    A few smoothies (maybe with some HGH snuck in them) will get him healed up and healthy in no time flat. He would be an interesting guy to see in the mix during the off-season. He’d be cheap and interesting.

  111. 111 Anders said at 8:52 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    I know many people is down on Hundley because of his stretch in the middle of the season where he wasnt very good, but after he stopped trying to be something he isnt (a pocket passer). He has improved his game a lot.

    Hundley will most likely never be a pocket passer, but if you put him in an offense like Kelly’s with lots of run/pass option and plenty play action and the option to keep it, I think he can be very dangerous.

  112. 112 Media Mike said at 9:34 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Dangerous to our level of success.

    “never be a pocket passer” is something I never want to hear about a guy quarterbacking my team. Greg Cosell has some great stuff on why that type of football is a dead end.

  113. 113 Anders said at 10:12 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Meant to write pocket passer in the mold of the great once.
    I do think he can become at least as good as Cam Newton was before this season or Michael Vick is now.

  114. 114 Media Mike said at 10:15 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    I don’t consider that good enough either to be honest. I think he could be molded into a better thrower and reader from the pocket if we drafted him, but sat him for a year.

    I wish teams would bring back the old apprenticeship approach to bringing along QBs the right way. Kelly strikes me as a guy who could do that.

  115. 115 bill said at 9:47 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Seems to me that so far, passing from the pocket has been a fairly big part of Kelly’s pro offense, even when Vick was QB.

  116. 116 Media Mike said at 9:49 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Exactly. Kelly’s comments about consistent accurate passing are the most telling thing he’s ever said about QB play.

  117. 117 Anders said at 10:10 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Hundley is super accurate tho, he just struggle with recognizing things fast enough

  118. 118 Media Mike said at 10:11 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    That’s not good at all. Everything is faster in the NFL.

  119. 119 Anders said at 10:12 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    Cant we say that for every position? Some adapt and learn, others keep having some problems

  120. 120 Media Mike said at 10:16 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    True enough. That is why throwing QBs who lack that skill in college in there game one is stupid.

    If you de-scramble the guy’s mentality by having him ride pine and learn for a year, you’d get a much better QB in the long run.

  121. 121 Anders said at 10:26 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    That is what I want with any QBs we might draft not named Mariota

  122. 122 Media Mike said at 10:29 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    I’d sit Mariota for a year as well. I just see every career that starts out running ending in the same slow decline due to injuries and underdeveloped skills as Vick’s.

  123. 123 Henly125 said at 10:36 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    I wouldve liked to wait til offseason to make this comment, but We can’t rule out a miracle trade-up in next years draft for Kelly to get Mariota. It seems a little far fetched.. But I think it’s something Chip would do for his old QB.

    I’m sure this fan base would love to see that happen.. I personally don’t know what it’ll take to move up so high (picks and players, obviously), but it cannot be ruled out completely. Let’s see what happens.

  124. 124 Media Mike said at 10:37 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    No thank you. Too many picks needed to get him, he’s not Andrew Luck in terms of being ready day 1, and Greg Cosell just stated that he’s not a top 5 talent as is.

  125. 125 Henly125 said at 10:58 AM on November 23rd, 2014:

    I agree in that it would take too many picks.. As much as I’d hate to see any of our players traded, anything can happen.