Pro Bowl Players

Posted: December 23rd, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 195 Comments »

Let’s start with the good news. Several Eagles got chosen to be Pro Bowl players.

LT Jason Peters
RB LeSean McCoy
C Jason Kelce
LB Connor Barwin
RS Darren Sproles

Notice anyone missing?

It is shocking that Fletcher Cox didn’t make it, but he’s in a tough situation. He technically would need to go in as a DE. His sack numbers pale in comparison to the guys who did make it.

JJ Watt
Cameron Wake
Robert Quinn
DeMarcus Ware
Mario Williams
Calais Campbell

Watt and Campbell are 3-4 DEs. Watt is having a phenomenal year. Campbell has 7 sacks and 7 TFLs as part of a stingy Cards D. Cox has 4 sacks and 5 TFLs on a porous D. Still, anyone who watches the Eagles can see Cox’s ability to be a dominant force. Did Robert Quinn really have a better year? He did produce 10.5 sacks and 5 FFs, but he’s a speed rusher that gets to attack on every play.

One other guy has a real gripe and that is Mychal Kendricks. He was terrific this year and posted good numbers, despite missing some games.

Of the Eagles who did make it, I’m most happy for Connor Barwin. He has been a terrific help to the Eagles on and off the field. I love seeing a guy like him getting the attention he deserves. And it is pretty cool for Sproles to go when the Saints were trying to give him away just last spring.

The selections would  mean more if the season was different, but it is important to make sure to praise those players who did play well and had a big hand in the Eagles reaching 9/10 wins.

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For a bit of Pro Bowl perspective…

Beckham will probably be added once guys bow out due to injury (as will F Cox), but this tells you how far things have fallen for the Giants. That team just lacks talent.

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There was a bit of good “news”. Jeremy Maclin is sure saying something we all want to hear.

But when the time’s right, it’ll get done. I know both sides made it clear that we both want to be here. They want me here, I want to be here.”


That doesn’t mean anything concrete of course. Negotiations can go sideways when one party is locked into a number that the other just isn’t willing to accept. But it sure sounds encouraging. Re-signing Maclin is a priority move. The offense desperately needs him.

Jordan Matthews had a good year. Josh Huff showed some potential. Riley Cooper is a major question mark after a disappointing season. Maclin is the best of the bunch and is the kind of high character player that Chip Kelly loves. He must be re-signed.

The Eagles will pay good money when they think a player is worth it. Maclin put up good numbers this year and showed that he can be a playmaker in this offense. He’s not an elite #1 type, but he showed he was more than just a complementary weapon to DeSean Jackson. And that was in a year where he didn’t get great QB play. Maclin can be better.


195 Comments on “Pro Bowl Players”

  1. 1 Jamie Parker said at 9:15 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Would Maclin count as a snub? I hope he gets at least 64 yards so he’ll have better numbers than D-Jax from last year across the board.

  2. 2 sonofdman said at 9:29 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I was going to say the same thing. I know that there are a lot of good wide receivers in the league, but Maclin put up really good numbers this year.

  3. 3 sonofdman said at 9:41 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I just looked at the list of pro bowl wide receivers: Antonio Brown, Dez Bryant, AJ Green, TY Hilton, Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, Jordy Nelson, and Demaryius Thomas.

    I think the best arguments you could make for Maclin is Maclin over AJ Green and/or Calvin Johnson. They are both objectively better wide receivers than Maclin, but they struggled with injuries this year and Maclin put up much better numbers.

    You could also argue that Maclin should be in over Hilton. Their numbers are really close with Hilton having slightly more yards on the same number of catches but Maclin having three more touchdowns than Hilton.

    Maclin and Dez have almost identical numbers, but after Dez’s game against the eagles and recent hot streak, he leads the league in receiving touchdowns.

    Of course, you could also argue that Emmanuel Sanders deserves to be in as well, as he has more receptions and yards than Maclin and only one less touchdown.

  4. 4 Tyler Phillips said at 9:38 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Peters is such a freak. Big thanks to Andy for that one.

  5. 5 Charlie Kelly said at 9:47 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    ……………….meh………………… no…….. playoffs….. wtf…….. i cant watch a dallas playoff game…. what has happened……

  6. 6 sonofdman said at 9:47 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    “Notice anyone missing?”

    Yes. Bradley Fletcher. Like the other top corners in the league he lines up one-on-one against some of the best wide receivers in the league week after week with no safety help. But for some reason, he doesn’t get recognized with a pro bowl bid. What a snub!

  7. 7 A_T_G said at 2:25 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I heard Nate Allen was going to voice his support, but was late getting there.

  8. 8 Mitchell said at 9:52 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Chip Kelley likes to draft Oregon players. We need a safety. Does anyone know anything about Dargan from Oregon?

  9. 9 oreofestar said at 10:21 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Yes I do I like him in the mid rounds he has solid size and should be a guy to.look at

  10. 10 Pennguino said at 10:09 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Maclin can thank Suckchez for the Pro Bowl snub and loss of a couple million in earnings. He was on pace for 1500+ yards and 15 TD’s with Nick (720/7). Basically in the same amount of game time minus 1 quarter, Maclin has only scored 3 TD’s and his YPR dropped 3 and a half yards. Heck, he is averaging 30 yards less a game too. Pathetic.

    Technically I guess it is Foles’ fault for getting hurt. 🙂

  11. 11 anon said at 10:33 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Matthews would have 0 stats then. Sanchez’s offensive production was no defense. It was just like djax getting shut down after foles became starter and went to riley cooper more often.

  12. 12 Pennguino said at 11:42 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Yea, mostly true on DJ with only a small 4 game sample size. He didn’t get shut down but his YPR and YPG dropped at about the same rate as Mac/Mark combo.

  13. 13 oreofestar said at 10:26 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Maclin cod b argued but hell likely get in as an alternate if the falcons get in then that means Evey pro bowl wideout will b in the playoffs chances are at least one will play I’m the super bowl and Mac goes as an alternate now Cox is a ridiculous snub

  14. 14 anon said at 10:37 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Golden tate didn’t make it and he proved to be the no. 1 on a team with CJ. ODB is the biggest snub he’s got josh gordon numbers in 10 games (1100 yds and 11tds) that’s insane.

  15. 15 mksp said at 11:54 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    ODB will in the Pro Bowl for the rest of his career, I don’t think he’s too upset.

  16. 16 anon said at 10:40 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    What stats are important for punters? could be argued brad wing had a better year than Donie Long Balls Jones

  17. 17 oreofestar said at 10:43 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Jones didn’t have as a good a ear as last year honestly I don’t really follow punters but I have no problem with Donnie not making it

  18. 18 jpate said at 11:04 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    5 pro bowlers and probably 3 snubs (cox, Kendricks, and maclin) this team does have talent. Hurts even more we blew such a promising season.

  19. 19 oreofestar said at 11:09 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    I love Men but I don’t think he was a pro bowler.this year but he’s close, Maclin is sorta asub but you could argue for Tate and ODB above him and they didn’t make it. Cox was a legit snub

  20. 20 CrackSammich said at 11:13 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Looks like you’ve got yourself an unfortunate autocorrect in that first sentence?

  21. 21 oreofestar said at 11:19 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    *facepalm* -_-

  22. 22 Anders said at 7:40 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Who of the pro bowl WRs should Maclin have made it over? Only one you can argue is AJ Green, but there is always a guy who makes it on name (see Lesean McCoy this year)

  23. 23 oreofestar said at 8:26 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Lesean is top 4 in rushing why shouldn’t he be there

  24. 24 Anders said at 8:28 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Just noticed that, for some reason I remembered him been more behind

  25. 25 jpate said at 2:31 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Point was there is lot of talent on the team not who got robbed. Just cause there are better receivers in the league right now doesn’t effect or diminish the production and talent maclin brought this year

  26. 26 BobSmith77 said at 11:52 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    How did Kelce make the Pro Bowl this year? Up until the injury I would agree but he simply hasn’t been the same caliber player since he came back. Struggled with snaps at times and he just isn’t getting to the 2nd level and out on screens like he was earlier. Still struggled with pass rushers a bit too. Bogus nod on rep not on what he did this entire year.

    Cox was a borderline given some great years by DEs and the lack of sacks playing in the 3-4. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he is an injury alternative replacement pick.

  27. 27 oreofestar said at 11:53 PM on December 23rd, 2014:

    Cox is like the 6th apt disrespect and Kelce had his worst year and got his first nod

  28. 28 Iskar36 said at 12:24 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I was surprised with Kelce as well. I think he certainly has the talent to be a Pro Bowl player, but I don’t think he played at his highest level this year. Granted, I did not really pay attention to the other centers, so my surprise is more based on what Kelce is capable rather than how he compared to other centers.

    As for Cox, especially with the way the pro Bowl is setup now with fans voting for the players (to my knowledge, coaches and players no longer have as much of an impact), I’m not entirely surprised he didn’t get voted in. DE is a position where fans are going to often over emphasize sack numbers. Cox has had a huge impact on this defense, but unless you are paying attention to the Eagles rather than just casually watching them and tracking the stats, he will not be as quick to stand out. I think Cox is very clearly deserving, but I’m not entirely surprised he was snubbed.

  29. 29 mtn_green said at 2:06 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Last three games they really game planned to attack Kelce and Gardner. And they were abused.

  30. 30 Mitchell said at 1:14 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Good news boyz. I’ve sat around tonight and watch A LOT of safety tape. Turns out, IMO, there are quite a few promising safeties out there. Much more, in fact, than last year. I actually think that some of the names being talked about right now are a bit over rated. Hollins doesn’t tackle. Doesn’t even try in fact. Collins is fine but doesn’t really “wow” you. He has the build prototype though.

    I’m actually a fan of Derron Smith from Fresno St. He looked super good last year but apparently Fresno is crap this year and he may not be getting as much attention as last year. You wanna see someone fly around the field? Watch Smith, very fast twitch.

    One corner I would like to bring to attention as well is Quinten Rollins from Miami(OH) university. Played 4 years of bball and only 1 of football but earned a starting gig. Ball hawk with 7 ints and shows the size 6′ 200lbs and athleticism we would want in a cb. Problem is, he definitely shows his inexperience by not being able to recognize routes. Perfectly moldable prospect for a later round.

  31. 31 oreofestar said at 1:17 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Men on Collins I like him less than I did Vacarro and Clinton Six I’d take him if he fell to us but he probably won’t and I don’t want t to trade up for him I have not watched any Smith but I was actually introduced to Rollins 2 weeks ago but need to see more (I watched like 3 minutes of the guy)

  32. 32 Mitchell said at 1:20 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I don’t think Collins is worth a top 20.

  33. 33 oreofestar said at 1:24 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I haven’t really started ratings or anything yet but I would put him in the range if our pick 15-20 for me right now but he is from Bama so that will probably drop 5-10 spots, over rated yes but its another mediocre safety group so he will probably go op 15

  34. 34 Mitchell said at 1:53 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I actually think this safety group is pretty good.

  35. 35 daveH said at 8:20 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Hollins Rollins Collins what

  36. 36 Mitchell said at 1:39 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    In summation: I dont think Collins is worth a top20. Rollins has extreme potential for a later round. Not before 4th?

  37. 37 botto said at 1:20 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    a guy who is new at the position sounds like he’s right up our alley. can he play emergency QB at all?

  38. 38 Mitchell said at 1:37 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    I mean, go watch the tape. He’s obviously raw but looks extremely skilled. Its not like I would use a second rounder…..

  39. 39 BobSmith77 said at 3:18 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    People complaining all this week about Jackson and how the Eagles never should have cut him.

    Bet they were the same people who bought the smear job the Eagles do on Jackson in the first place hook, line, and sinker and were only to happy to see him go after his ‘gang ties’ and other stuff in Eliot Shorr-Parks sanctioned hit piece.

    Also the same fans clamoring for Sanchez after Foles struggled midseason who now miss Foles hadn’t gotten hurt.

    Some of the milder stuff too. Can’t remember the last time this town turned so quickly on a coach from high-praise to severe criticism/second-guessing in 3 weeks.

  40. 40 anon said at 4:17 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    the anti ck rhetoric is crazy

  41. 41 daveH said at 8:25 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    not me Bob.
    haven’t gotten over cutting MeSean yet.
    I do think he is a gangsta dope (all his antics and dropping ball before a TD .. I got smeared for that!!) ..but he WAS OUR g dope !!
    I NEVER EVER EVER clamoured for Sanches. cant stand hi in our uni.
    but, I admitted I guess I was wrong during his greatness streak.
    im still on CHip’s bandwagon. think he made mistakes and adapted ..but ultimately this season was wasted and that is on CHip. completely fair to hold him accountable for his paycheck!

  42. 42 Anders said at 8:27 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    “I do think he is a gangsta dope (all his antics and dropping ball before a TD .. I got smeared for that!!) ..but he WAS OUR g dope !”

    So true

  43. 43 fran35 said at 1:18 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    For me, I have been a Nick Foles guy through and through. I believe he is a promising young QB who played behind a horrible line this year with a running back who led the NFL in tackles for loss. Some of that was the o line, but much of it is on shady. He dances way too much and seems to be scared of getting hit this year.

    But you can’t deny that Chip has some serious issues that he is stubborn and arrogant about. The bottom line is that his system has not worked for sustained success in the nfl yet and the issues that have arisen do not seem to have solutions within the strict conforms of his schemes.

  44. 44 botto said at 1:18 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    smear job? by the eagles?

  45. 45 Media Mike said at 6:44 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Maclin’s contract words are interesting, but until I here some concrete numbers; those words are meaningless.

  46. 46 Media Mike said at 6:59 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Overrated rookie Zach Martin from Dallas going in over Evan Mathis is a bit dumb.

  47. 47 Anders said at 7:45 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Media hype can do a lot. Sadly Zach Martin is now destined to make at least 5+ pro bowls just based on him playing for Dallas and making it as a rookie

  48. 48 Media Mike said at 7:09 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Brady, Luck, Petyon Manning, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, and Romo make the pro bowl at QB.

    Seems if we want to make sure our QB play here improves in the future that we need to get Foles playing more like these guys or draft a guy who can be like one of these guys; not some run-first jabroni who would aimlessly scramble around all day like Kaepertrash or Scam Newton.

  49. 49 bentheimmigrant said at 7:41 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    You sure do like beating that drum. Who’s calling for a run first qb, at least round here?

  50. 50 Anders said at 7:44 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I also forgot that Cam Newton was a run first QB when he passed for over 4k yards in each of his first two seasons. Also not sure Media Mike would have a problem with run first QB Wilson (he has by far the most rushing yards of any QB this year)

  51. 51 Media Mike said at 7:47 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Wilson isn’t even close to run-first. Greg Cosell has done a great job breaking down how Wilson sees the entire field, scans what he needs to, and then makes an intelligent decision on what to do. Wilson isn’t out of control like Scam or Kaep.

  52. 52 Anders said at 7:48 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    So how is Cam Newton a run first QB when he Wilson hasnt been close to posting same passing numbers and actually have run more this year than Newton ever has?

  53. 53 bill said at 8:43 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Wilson’s certainly been running a lot this year, but if you’ve watched Cam the last two years, his decision-making and accuracy from the pocket made 2014 Foles look like Tom Brady. His pocket mechanics are awful, and he makes truly bone-headed throws multiple times a game with like half the attempts per game 2014 Foles had.

    The grass is always greener…

  54. 54 Anders said at 8:47 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Just because Newton isnt a great pocket passer does not make him a running QB

  55. 55 bill said at 8:49 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Chip seems to think his offense needs a guy who can be at least a good, if not great, pocket passer. I know that some fans will never give up their “Chip needs a RO QB!!!1!!1,” but the current evidence says that he needs a guy who can execute in the pocket. Evidence says that Cam is not that guy.

  56. 56 Anders said at 8:50 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    That is again different than saying Cam Newton is a run first QB.

  57. 57 botto said at 1:17 PM on December 24th, 2014:


  58. 58 bill said at 9:08 AM on December 25th, 2014:

    The QBs that have been signed or drafted since Chip came – were they RO QBs, or were they pocket QBs?

  59. 59 Ark87 said at 8:51 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Cam started the season red hot, looked like he finally “arrived” as a passer. But his line was garbage and you could tell he was pretty beat up. Now he’s got 2 fractured vertebra in his back. Injuries do things to your mechanics. He’s done a lot with no line and no recievers. Not a Panthers fan, but living in NC I’m exposed to a lot of Panthers, Cam is a respectable QB. If they take care of him he could be very good.

  60. 60 bill said at 8:52 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    We’ve been told all year that a QB has to overcome poor OL play or he’s hot garbage, and that being beat up is no excuse.

  61. 61 Ark87 said at 8:57 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    It hasn’t been near as bad as the Panthers. And we have a lot of weapons.

    To be frank, Cam’s career sort of reminds me of D Mac’s early career. Except without an O-line. He’s generated an offense by himself, often having to rely on his legs. But he is willing his game to be passer first, and only starts running when the offense has stalled in every other way. I think he can be better than D Mac, which despite sour memories of him, he is still one of the Eagles all-time greats.

  62. 62 bill said at 9:12 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I’m not sure Molk, Tobin, or Gardner would be on the roster of CAR.

  63. 63 oreofestar said at 9:13 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    They definitely would their O line is sooo bad

  64. 64 bill said at 9:16 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    So are Molk, Tobin, and Gardner. We’ll have to disagree – those three were as bad as any OL that played in the league this year.

  65. 65 oreofestar said at 9:30 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    They would make that roster though i don’t think you understand how bad that o line is

  66. 66 bill said at 10:17 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    They didn’t sign Molk when they had the chance.

  67. 67 Ark87 said at 9:32 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    There’s a very sad chance they start on the Panthers. It’s very very bad. They lost some people to free agency, then their only good lineman retired during the offseason, they needed to find like 4 starters before the season with no cap space….and they didn’t.

  68. 68 bill said at 9:20 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Maclin, ok. Cooper? Huff? Ertz didn’t play much. A Shady that averaged 2 ypc against good defenses?

    The Eagles O had better weapons, granted. But people tend to think it’s like the Broncos O. It was far from that level this year.

  69. 69 oreofestar said at 9:34 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Sure but crappy o line with Olsen and KB is really all the have down there

  70. 70 Ark87 said at 9:52 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Matthews has shown some good and bad. Huff has been good for giving a QB someone to throw to, the bad things happen when the ball gets to him. Cooper has been absolutely no help to his QB. Ertz played just under 50% of the snaps but it was a weird season. Seemed like he would completely disappear some games. But occasionally we would get him on the field against a team with no one appropriate to cover him on the field, go into hurry up to prevent subs and next thing you know he’s breaking the franchise record for catches in a game. We need to find a way to get him into the offense next season.

    You’re right, we aren’t absolutely loaded with talent, and it probably has been over-stated. But it’s a young group with a bright future I think. Still better than Kelvin Benjamin+ a whole bunch of old and washed up journeymen who don’t get open at all. (They went after Bradley Fletcher over and over, and HE shut them down, to give you an idea of how dire that situation is)

  71. 71 Tumtum said at 10:22 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I usually agree with you, but having had Cam on my fantasy team this year I have to disagree with this whole-heartedly.

  72. 72 anon said at 11:31 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    he’s got no receivers and a rebuilt oline if cam was available i’d take him.

  73. 73 anon said at 11:31 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    wilson straight runs read option half the time and runs scramble the other half of the time. i would not call him a pocket passer at all.

  74. 74 Media Mike said at 8:09 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Cam Newton has 81 career passing TDs and has INT/Fumble totals of 81 (54 and 27). He’s careless with the football and the exact type of player you don’t want.

  75. 75 Anders said at 8:19 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    What has his turnovers anything to do with him been rushing QB and Wilson not?

  76. 76 Media Mike said at 7:46 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    There are 3 or 4 people who keep pumping up needing a runner QB to run Kelly’s “system” or whatever they think that means.

  77. 77 Anders said at 7:49 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    No, we have said athletic as in Wilson type.

  78. 78 Media Mike said at 8:08 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I’m not sure if you can get a Wilson “type” given he’s best compared to a Steve Young in terms of brain, legs, and arm. I don’t think another guy with that combo exists.

  79. 79 Anders said at 8:20 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck are just as mobile. Ryan Tannenhill is just as mobile (and I would love him), he is just a few years behind playing QB

  80. 80 Tumtum said at 10:19 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Chip would beg to differ. I have a feeling the rest of the NFL will too when March rolls around.

  81. 81 Tumtum said at 10:19 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I agree with you, but what is pretty funny is that scrambling is or was a BIG part of Romo, Luck, Rodgers, and Rothlisberger’s games.

  82. 82 Media Mike said at 7:14 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    CB pro bowl group includes; Vontae Davis (5’11”), Brent Grimes (5’10”), Joe Haden (5’11”), Chris Harris (5’10”), and Darrelle Revis (5’11”); all guys who Billy Davis wouldn’t want starting here at CB because they’re not at least 6 feet tall.

  83. 83 Anders said at 7:38 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    That is why we signed 5’11 Carroll and drafted 5’11 Watkins?

  84. 84 Media Mike said at 7:47 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    We don’t start them. Davis is on record with that 6 foot stuff business for his starting QBs.

  85. 85 Anders said at 7:49 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    and Kelly have said he want his safeties to be 6’4 220+ and yet he starts Jenkins?

  86. 86 Henly125 said at 9:18 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Davis and Kelly will soon realize 6 ft corners are hard to come by in this league, unless they want them playing with the talent level of Fletcher.

  87. 87 anon said at 11:29 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    in patrick peterson looked like ass this year without probowl linebackers around him. and of course we’d never take a honey badger.

  88. 88 Tumtum said at 10:17 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Heard Grimes is really 5’7″

  89. 89 fran35 said at 10:36 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I stopped trying to make sense of this garbage. These guys act like guys who are 6’2 and can play on island against the Dez Bryants and desean Jaccoff grow on trees. This coaching staff really irks me. There is a point where the guys who thinks outside the box and are hailed as innovators but lack the proven results fall into the category of moronic and stubborn. Folks, that train is headed to the station.

  90. 90 anon said at 11:28 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    two of these guys were available last year, bring grimes is making cary williams money.

  91. 91 Ark87 said at 12:26 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Yep, I’m done with the size restrictions, and considering Outside CB and slot CB different positions learning 1 position makes it impossible to learn the other. The players being coached not to look for the ball, just catch up and try to get your hands in there to break up the pass (or get called for PI everytime). I would not be heartbroken if we revised our secondary philosophy.

  92. 92 bentheimmigrant said at 7:44 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Wondering how likely we are to see the franchise tag used on Maclin… If we can’t come to terms, we can’t afford to lose him.

  93. 93 Media Mike said at 7:49 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    The tag will be in excess of $12 million. If you tag Maclin you let him know that his value is at least $12 million a year. If they wanted him @ $12 million a year, I’d guess they’d already have agreed to a 5 year / $60 or a 6 year / $72 type deal. The $7 million / year structure he’s under for this year is clearly below he value, but exactly how much below?

  94. 94 Insomniac said at 8:07 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I want no part of him for 12 mil a year. He’s small, injury prone, and doesn’t make his QB better like all of the other WRs that apparently “snubbed” him for the pro bowl.

  95. 95 Anders said at 8:21 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    If 6’0 200 is small, what would you describe Jackson as? miniature?

  96. 96 Ark87 said at 8:22 AM on December 24th, 2014:


  97. 97 bentheimmigrant said at 8:24 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Fun size.

  98. 98 Tumtum said at 10:16 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    bite size

  99. 99 Insomniac said at 8:36 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Is that supposed to be medium or something to you? Medium is Sammy Watkins. Big is Kelvin Benjamin.

  100. 100 Ark87 said at 8:21 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    He’s not small at 6 foot, he’s had a catastrophic injury but even with missing those 17 games due to that, and otherwise missed like 4 or 5 games the rest of his career. Doesn’t make his QB better. How do you even quantify that? He made a lot of clutch catches for Nick Foles and kept a lot of drives and games alive that Nick would have looked like a total goat without.

  101. 101 bentheimmigrant said at 8:29 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Pretty much this. I think $12m is too much for him, but then again it wasn’t long ago that only the top QBs were seeing that money. If you look at it as paying a top five price, well I think he’s just a tier below that level. Maybe he could reach it though. I just don’t see how we survive him walking.

  102. 102 Ark87 said at 8:42 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    12 is probably too much, but whoever Insomniac described needs to be cut.

  103. 103 Insomniac said at 9:02 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    This was the only season where he wasn’t even listed on the injury list. He’s not big and he doesn’t even play like he’s big.. Maclin dropped off a cliff with Sanchez starting. Josh Gordon killed it with a bum QB. Mike Evans, DeAndre Hopkins, Desean is putting up numbers with multiple QBs (worse ones) too. Yes for Foles, but he has to play with Sanchez. He didn’t show any of the same abilities with Sanchez while Sanchez connected with Ertz/Matthews more often. You can argue for both sides but somethings wrong when Sanchez puts up similar numbers as Foles did. Those clutch catches weren’t all desperation heaves like Stafford does with Megatron. He made good catches but not impossible ones.

  104. 104 Tumtum said at 10:14 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    5 for 60 sounds about right, yeah?

  105. 105 daveH said at 8:17 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Brad Smith I had thought was worth having on the team .. but I think he literally had more drops than catches this season (I remember 2 or 3 drops and only 1 catch)
    how did Shady make it ??? I love him but don’t think he really had a pro bowl season .. and our good man Sproles also struggled lately

  106. 106 Anders said at 8:22 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Sproles made it as a PR and he is the only guy in the NFL with at least 2 return TDs this year.

    Shady made it on his name

  107. 107 oreofestar said at 8:29 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Shady was 4th in rushing And 6 rbs were selected noT surprising at All he made jt

  108. 108 Ark87 said at 9:03 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    When I first saw his rushing rank it kind of blew me away. Funny how perception and the reality of the numbers don’t seem to mesh at all.

  109. 109 bill said at 9:14 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    He put up huge numbers against trash defenses, and disappeared against average to good defenses. Averaged out to a pretty high number, but was not indicative of his true productivity this season.

  110. 110 fran35 said at 10:27 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    McCoy – this year has been extremely overrated. He feasts on terrible defense’s and then doesn’t show up against the decent defense’s. The good defense’s make him look like he shouldn’t even be on the field. But then again, this situation mirrors the Chip Kelly offense. His offenses has not consistently shown enough against a solid NFL defense.

  111. 111 Tumtum said at 10:13 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    He dominated in returns and that’s what he made it as.

  112. 112 Ark87 said at 11:23 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I get the feeling that if they redid the vote starting today, we probably only would have seen Jason Peters make it on name recognition. My understanding is most of the votes were cast when everyone thought this team was good.

  113. 113 bill said at 8:18 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    RE: Cox. This is why Chip talks him up so much; he doesn’t really do that with other high-performing players as much. They know that he’s going to be VERY difficult to sign in this scheme because he’s not going to put up the numbers that let a player walk into the ProBowl and all the $$$ (NFL contract and outside marketing) that entails. Expect a full blown marketing blitz by the Eagles next year about Cox. They need him to make the Pro Bowl next year, or they’re going to have to seriously overpay him to keep him in this scheme.

  114. 114 Anders said at 8:26 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Why would they need him to make the pro bowl or overpay him?

    Cox can just sign a deal that isnt based on pro bowls (most pro bowls only give around 250k anyway unless its a crazy escalator) and 3-4 DEs aint big marketing profiles anyway.

  115. 115 bill said at 8:31 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    If he goes to a 1-gap scheme, he’ll put up big numbers and get the $$$ and notoriety that entails. In a 2-gap scheme, he’s always going to be “underrated,” unless the Eagles can pull off an Eli level marketing campaign.

  116. 116 oreofestar said at 8:34 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Meh use the fifth year option and you have him under control for the next 2 years plenty of time to work something out

  117. 117 Anders said at 8:40 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    and can also tag him 2 years in a row (tag for DT isnt that big)

  118. 118 oreofestar said at 8:42 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    He will tagged for a DE because that is what he is now

  119. 119 Anders said at 8:46 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    He will be tagged at the position he plays the most he will be tagged at DT as he plays most of his snaps inside the tackles

  120. 120 oreofestar said at 8:48 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    But he is listed as a DE just because it’s a 3-4 doesn’t mean he will get tagged otherwise,

  121. 121 oreofestar said at 8:48 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Hopefully we don’t have to tag him in 2 years and we can lock him up soon

  122. 122 Anders said at 8:50 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Pro bowl =/ tag, tag is ultimate about where he plays, not what he is listed as (you cant just list a CB as safety and tag him for less)

  123. 123 oreofestar said at 8:52 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    DE tag is actually more than DT tag I just think if you want to tag him you will have a hard time arguing he is DT because he is on the edge in our 3-4

  124. 124 Anders said at 8:53 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    He is on the “edge” but still inside the tackles.

  125. 125 oreofestar said at 8:54 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I get what your.saying but if the Eagles go to.fight on him being a DT instead of a DT they’ll lose

  126. 126 Anders said at 8:56 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    and Im disagreeing, because Cox also plays a ton of snaps at NT, 3 tech. I guess only half the time he is at 4 tech which is still not a DE in the 4-3 sense (which the definitions is based on)

  127. 127 oreofestar said at 8:57 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I think its like telling a 4-3 outside linebacker we are gonna try to tag you as an inside line backer because that’s what you’d be in a 3-4,

  128. 128 ICDogg said at 9:03 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    The definitions aren’t that nuanced. I think he would have to be tagged at DE, but I’d just as soon sign the guy and not use the tag

  129. 129 Anders said at 9:05 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    The Eagles decide where they tag him, Cox can then challenge that, but not sure Cox would ever win consider how much he plays NT and 3 tech (remember Graham lost even if he lined out wide often, Cox lines up too often inside that he cant argue he is different from a DT)

  130. 130 Tumtum said at 10:12 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Didnt this dispute come up a few years ago with Seymore in NE? What was he tagged as? To lazy to research it but your definition of where a player lines up in respect to the tackle sounds about how they normally word it.

    Didn’t a TE just lose a tag battle though having lined up more with more than the majority of his snaps in the slot? I remember the arbitrator came up with his own language to force him to remain a TE though.. or something like that.

  131. 131 bill said at 10:19 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Graham in NO. And the team won that battle, but it sure looks like they lost the war this year.

  132. 132 Anders said at 8:41 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    so what if he is underrated? We just pay him fair money, Cox does not sound like a player who cares about how the fan rates him, he will be a top 5 paid 3-4 DE soon.

  133. 133 bill said at 8:47 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I don’t think he or his agent care what fans say. They will care about $$$ and the notoriety that leads to it. Simple fact is that unless the Eagles can create a buzz for him, he’s going to get more in a 1-gap scheme.

  134. 134 oreofestar said at 8:50 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    But its not the fans who are paying him its about his worth to the Eagles and they will pay accordingly , Jurrell Casey is not a household name and he is a top 5 3-4 DE and he got paid well last offseason

  135. 135 Anders said at 8:52 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    and its not like Casey is overpaid in my book

  136. 136 oreofestar said at 8:53 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Yep he got fair money and casual fans outside of Tennessee probably have no.idea who.he is and I.look at his contract for about what should give Cox

  137. 137 ICDogg said at 9:00 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    They don’t need to market anything. Pay the man what he’s worth, no less.

  138. 138 b3nz0z said at 9:28 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    why would the eagles try and make him more expensive?

  139. 139 Tumtum said at 10:06 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I would be more concerned with a 4-3 team signing him away.

  140. 140 CrackSammich said at 9:22 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Calais Campbell plays a real similar role in Arizona, at least in the fact that they play underrated roles on the line that rarely get the credit they deserve. He gets plenty of recognition. The difference between Cox and the other guys on that list is that they have been household names for years, while Cox only started showing his potential this year.

  141. 141 Tumtum said at 10:04 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I disagree. Cox is one of those guys who is going to command big money regardless of public notoriety. Someone will pay him very well if the Eagles do not. I think he would be pleased as punch to stay an Eagle for the coaching staff, and his team mates. He is the anti-Riley Cooper. He is baby Trent Cole.

    My concern is that if there may be a different team willing to pay him more because he will have a bigger impact in their scheme than he is allowed to have here.

  142. 142 mksp said at 12:00 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    He’s not going anywhere. We’re the only team that can buy out the last year of his rookie contract and give him a long-term contract now. They’ll come to terms.

  143. 143 oreofestar said at 12:29 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Plus the fifth year option he’s trapped for at least 2 years 😛

  144. 144 unhinged said at 9:53 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Since I’ve been watching him all season, I am amazed that Cox would not be named to the Pro Bowl. We have all seen what Kelce has done this year – not much – so it’s also amazing that he was named.

  145. 145 Ark87 said at 12:07 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Next year should be his year. It’s all about name recognition. The announcers know who he is now and they take every opportunity to gush- I mean praise Cox. I would say the same about Kendricks. Last year it was just Collinsworth, now every time he shoots into the backfield it’s just a wow moment to point out. Unless there is regression, I think Cox and Kendricks should have the recognition of the average fan to make the pro bowl next year.

    As for Kelce. It’s all about the competition. There’s Pouncey and that’s it. The other big name centers are injured (Mack) or playing for garbage teams.

  146. 146 Crus57 said at 1:58 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    I think Kelce also got a boost because of how the running game came alive when he was back in the lineup. Not saying he single-handedly makes our running game, only that a brief glance at the stats probably gives most analysts and the general public that idea.

  147. 147 A_T_G said at 4:40 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Come on, now. Do you really think there are people out there that that don’t know about Cox? In the age of the Internet, Cox gets more exposure than ever before. A simple Google search can show you Cox dominating, Cox getting double teamed, or Cox penetrating.

    If we are being honest, it is probably for the best if he isn’t named yet. Delaying gratification, holding out, and getting the ring first will make it better.

    We all want to see Cox’s rings.

  148. 148 Tumtum said at 10:00 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    I guess you could call Riley a question mark. To be nice that is. He got hot for a few games last year. He can’t consistently make catches, runs poor routes, has a shitty attitude, and shows a lack of ability to read coverage. I don’t feel like he brings anything special to the team. He is really just a guy. JMatt is already better than he is. I would rather see Huff in the slot next season. He doesn’t strike me as the type of guy who will take well to a package role.

    He blocks really well though! Chip got Desean to block relatively well. I am convinced that is an extremely unimportant quality to latch onto. Chip could have me blocking out there at WR.

    I have been beating this drum since his 2nd season, but it is really time to cut ties.

  149. 149 Ark87 said at 11:46 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    It’s definitely fair. Last year he seemed to block well, track the deep ball well, use his size, and had fantastic chemistry with Nick Foles…this year not so much, even when Nick was in. Looking at the big picture, the second half of last season was the outlier, paying for the outlier is a contract no-no, but my understanding is we should be able to get out of it reasonably easily.

  150. 150 Crus57 said at 1:57 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    I am starting to reach similar conclusions, however Cooper will leave us with $6.2 mil in dead money if we cut him before 1st June next year, and given how Chip and the coaches don’t seem like they want him gone at the moment I think he’ll be back next year for one more chance at proving his size is worth something to the team beyond blocking.

  151. 151 GEAGLE said at 4:25 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Jeremy Maclin
    Riley Cooper
    Jordan Mathews
    Josh Huff
    Ty MOntgomery? Unless we are willing to spend an earlier pick on someone like Sammie Coates, Jalen Strong?

    Then next offseason, we cut Riley, and then we draft another young WR, and That’s how we completely reconfigure our WR corp with Chip Kellys own arsenal of WR’s… Basically only maclin survives from Andys bunch

  152. 152 Media Mike said at 4:31 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Cooper’s contract makes a cut in Feb 2016 very likely.

  153. 153 GEAGLE said at 4:45 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Yeah, it was just a suped up two year deal… Eating that dead money isn’t worth getting rid of him right now. Might as well keep him for one more year and not to have to put too much pressure on the young developing wide outs.

  154. 154 Insomniac said at 8:37 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Coates isn’t going early unless he gets hands for Christmas.

  155. 155 GEAGLE said at 9:13 AM on December 25th, 2014:

    Early? We will be drafting Early!!!
    Coates won’t go top 12, we will be in the 16-20 range… Not hard to move Up a few spots to snag him if dhip loves him…

  156. 156 Insomniac said at 4:58 PM on December 25th, 2014:

    He’s not sniffing the first round.

  157. 157 P_P_K said at 11:19 AM on December 24th, 2014:

    Dear Santa, The coal was supposed to be in Jerry Jones’s stocking. Who the hell messed this up? Yours, Eagles Nation.

  158. 158 Media Mike said at 2:26 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Santa thinks the Eagles started hitting the Egg Nog in November after the Thanksiving game win to get to 9-3 and then spent the next 3 weeks drunk and assuming their own Christmas list was going to take care of itself.

  159. 159 P_P_K said at 3:13 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    I drank a lot of the same kool-aid, I mean egg-nog. I figured we’d lose to Seattle and sweep the remaing three. Now I’ve got a Romo-Dez-DeSean hangover.

  160. 160 GEAGLE said at 6:56 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    I don’t think we drank the egg nog.. Think Malcolm put it best. All year we were playing on Borrowed time, and it ended up catching up to us… What he meant was all year we were managing to win, regardless of the fact that we were making way too many horrible mistakes (penalties and turnovers) that teams aren’t traditionally capable of winning with. We always Knew that if we kept turning it over like we were, and kept racking up tons of penalties eventually it would catch up to us….. I don’t think its neccessarily “drinking the Kool aid” if we expected to clean it up down the stretch when we got our guys back from injury, that just never happened… The Turnovers and the Penalties continued and we all knew that they would catch up to us if we didn’t clean it up sooner or later….

    In hindsight I wonder if it was a bad thing,that we were making all those boneheaded mistakes earlier but we never had to suffer any consequences cause we kept winning. We can say we want to clean it up, but if you keep winning, you probably aren’t Goimg to press and focus on correcting as hard, as if say, we got off to an 0-2 start, or a 1-3 start… Maybe the pressure of a bad start would have gotten us to clean up the mistakes better than just playing a ton of sloppy football, and never suffering any consequences cuz we kept finding ways to win…. On some level, I do think the adversity in those games, and learning to overcome it and find a way to win was valuable to a growing young team like us…..but you will ALWAYS reach a point In every single NFL where the competition is too stiff to overcome self inflicted wounds… If it didn’t haooen in December, it would have happened in January. You can’t help teams beat you in the NFL. We got away with it more than most teams in the history of the NFL were able to by building a sick special teams unit…..but that was never a sustainable formula for success and we all Knew THAT. We had to step up in December and elevate our game, play our best ball down the stretch….and that certainly didn’t happen

    Anyone know what divisions we play against next year or is it too soon to know that?

  161. 161 botto said at 2:17 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    this year really makes next year stressful from the first snap.
    one bad pass, one sack, fumble, run for a loss, or missed receiver is going to send us into a frenzy of here we go again.
    I would think the o-line is a huge need for this team in the draft/offseason, because we all saw what it did to us this year.
    we will get another corner and safety, but we need to score points too.
    I love shady, but we all I think would like to see this offense with a north south guy like Lynch (not him but like him) maybe polk can do it? I like polk a lot every time he touches the ball he goes….
    I actually think we need a speedy receiver to do that thing we call, stretch the field… Foles has the arm. can he learn to move faster in the pocket? I mean Big ben is slow as hell like Foles but he makes it happen just by moving a little bit.
    and I think Foles will have learned something watching Sanchez, get the ball out quicker!

  162. 162 Media Mike said at 2:42 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    And deservedly so. The lame surrender of the division title to Dallas is utterly contemptible and the team deserves to be questioned, dogged, harassed, etc. until the division title once again belongs to the Eagles.

  163. 163 GermanEagle said at 2:32 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    I’m flabbergasted that Bradley Fletchers wasn’t elected to the pro bowl.

  164. 164 botto said at 2:58 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    he is responsible for a lot of offensive production.

  165. 165 GermanEagle said at 3:09 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    ODB 200 receiving yards on sunday: over/under?

  166. 166 anon said at 4:17 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    under but 3 tds.

  167. 167 P_P_K said at 3:10 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    I’m laughing because that’s a good one. I feel sorry for Fletch, though, as he was set-up to fail. His problem wasn’t lack of effort, and I never heard him blame anyone else for his failures. His coaches should have done a better job recognizing the scheme just could not work. Fool me once, blame on me, expose my cb week after week, blame the coaches.

  168. 168 bentheimmigrant said at 3:26 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Yeah, I’ve got a lot more respect for Fletcher than the clown on the other side of the field.

    Anyone looking for a new coach should immediately discount any OC that didn’t have success against our CBs.

  169. 169 GEAGLE said at 6:33 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    If we are going to play single high safety, ATleast let Malcolm Jenkns be the lone safety in centerfield I stead of nate

  170. 170 P_P_K said at 6:40 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Exactly. I like to think the coaches are smarter than me but, in this case, why is something so obvious to us seem invisible to them. Are we missing something?

  171. 171 GEAGLE said at 7:11 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    I guess,cuz,Nate Allen is a wimp in run support, or maybe they were trusting Malcom to cover someone man to man….
    Also could be a similar approach to how Bellicek puts his best corner Revis on #2 WR’s, and then has Browner and a,Safety, the lessor players double team the #1 WR, figuring two players should be able to stop one, only nate is Incompetant and Bradley’s confidence is shot….

    All I know is nate Allen can start next year, I’ll endure a year of Cary and Nolan as the outside corner, as long. As Nate Allen is gone…,

  172. 172 D3FB said at 12:23 AM on December 25th, 2014:

    Because Malcolm is down covering a TE or a slot receiver. Also playing Nate in deep centerfield limits his exposure to be exploited. Malcolms range is minimally better than Nate but his man coverage is far superior. So contrary to popular opinion that the coaching staff doesn’t give their players help through scheme, they actually are.

  173. 173 P_P_K said at 9:33 AM on December 25th, 2014:

    Makes sense.

  174. 174 MagsMightyMutt said at 8:22 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    I’ve liked Fletcher ever since his first exhibition game when I saw him run down another team’s receive, even though he supposedly is not fast enough. And. like you, the way he keeps his opinions to himself is impressive, considering how he has been dumped on, even by posters here who used to proclaim him as almost a god.

  175. 175 ACViking said at 3:38 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Why beat up Fletcher?

    The Eagles have 1 HC and 20 Asst Coaches.

    Among those 21 coaches are 1 D-Coordinator, 1 DB coach, 1 Asst DB Coach, and of course Kelly himself as HC.

    These 4 coaches made the decisions to:

    (a) teach the technique Fletcher was obliged to use — which appeared NOT to involve re-directing receivers when in press-man coverage;

    (b) scheming to put Fletcher in single coverage with so little disguise that opposing QBs clearly saw he’d be singled up against their best WRs; and

    (c) continue starting Fletcher, irrespective of what was happening on the field.

    Fletcher’s just doing his best out there.

    What about the coaches who insisted he stay out there? Playing coverage schemes that were hurting the Eagles?

  176. 176 Media Mike said at 4:21 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    I’m 100% down with verbally abusing the coaches!

  177. 177 GEAGLE said at 4:43 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    My Problem with our defensive scheme:
    We switched to a 3-4, which is supposed to be better to stop the run, yet we are in single hgh safety so much..why? Our Front 7 should be good enough to handle the run without the safeties, yet we are always in single high. Which confuses me,,
    And if we are going to play in single highl why the hell to we ever use Nate as the lone safety in the middle of the field? I know that Nate is a wimp, that won’t play the run anywhere as near as Malcolm, but Nate has proven time and time again that he can’t be trusted as the “safety”, the one player we should be able to count on not letting anyone get behind him, time and time again gives up X plays DEEP…. I get that he isn’t anywhere as good as malcolm against the run, but at tbis point you can’t trust Nate to be your last line of defense, I’d rather the run defense suffer a little with Nate in the box, and keep Malcolm as the lone Deep Safety responsible for not letting WRs get over top…mrather give up run yards than a 60 yard TD
    If you aren’t going to get me a quality safety that can be trusted to be an Interchangable safety with Malcolm Jenkins, then do whatever you have to do building the front 7 Til its stout enough to where we can trust it to stop the run without any safety help. I’m tired of seeing 1 safety in the middle of the field so much. I know we will always need to use it, but it like to see two safeties in coverage ATleast half the time that opponents throw at us…

    Can’t friggin play single high safety with a pigeon like Nate Allen, counted on to help pigeon Bradley Fletcher, It’s like Tweedle Dee and Tweedle dumb out there tryng to cover top Wt’s…either get a CB who doesn’t need much help from the safety, or get a safety who is ATleast Malcolm Jenkins equal
    And if the market sucks and we can’t build up the secondary this year the way we would like to, than do what you gotta do to stack the front 7, so that It can shut down run games and pressure QBs without getting any safety support so we can keep them both in coverage

  178. 178 MagsMightyMutt said at 8:18 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Come now, AC. You know that many people online have to blame some individual for losing, and the coaches, schemes, positioning don’t count. The 35 plays per game which were correct and did not make the highlight-of-the-night don’t count. The other league games which included DBs getting beaten don’t count. Those same folks also did not see Fletcher Cox’ excellent plays either, but when Cox is praised, these folks all nod sagely and pretend they totally understand.

  179. 179 GEAGLE said at 4:16 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Ok gents…
    Adam Vinatieri who spent time with Cody Parkey when they were both with the Colts said, that right away he knew Cody would go on to be one of the special kickers… Not bad praise coming from a not too shabby kicker like Vinatieri 😉
    during a discussion about what was different from last year, chip mentioned that clearly “Jason Kelce wasnt the same player he was last year. That kids a friggin Warrior who came back from groin surgery after 5 weeks, when most players are done for the season with that type of injury” chip kelly on his admiration for Kelce, while admitting that Kelce wasn’t whathe was last year, understandably obviously… And later he went back and refrenced this with Cox getting snubbed. Chip said “Fletcher Cox was probably our most valuable player” but that a lot of it is name recognition. And he went back to the KELCE example of KELCE being much better last year than this year with the injuries made him a “different player”(no where close to as good as last year). Yet KELCE didn’t make the Probowl last year when he had a fantastic year, but a year later after a injury riddled year where he didn’t play as good, he finally built up the recognition to get a ProBowl invote and chip expecs(hopes) same situation happens with Cox, where like KELCE he will just get his one year late..chip also talked about it being a hard phone call for him to make, knowing how cox was probably our team MVP, and how much he deserved it

    So happy for Sproles, to get ProBowl recognition after a quality 11yr career. Chip said he was very happy to make that phone call and that it meant a lot to Sproles… Good for him, well deserved…
    The Maclin deal will certainly get worked out. I understand not being interested in Jaxonville last year, but Denver was also interested yet he didn’t even want to get to the open market to see what Denver could offer (Adam Caplan is who said the Jags and Broncos were interested last year).
    …..if you don’t want to even entertain playing with hall of fame Peytom Manning, In a stacked offense for the Super Bowl runner up gearing up to try and win a Super Bowl, then I doubt we have anything to worry about now. MACLIN won’t reach the open market
    Seattle did us a big favor setting the parameters on that cliff Avril Deal. BG had a pretty good game against the skins, even if it wasn’t statistically special performance. But I remember one series where he bull rushed, I think it was Trent Williams into the QBs face, pressured him into throwing 3 incompletions in a row….thankfully he didn’t have some insane 4 sack game the first timehe played Major minutes… He should have a good game against the Giamts, even if COle comes back..

    My Nightmare is, we can’t reach a deal with BG, Giants let JPP walk and replace him with Brandon Graham, like Mike Patterson and Cullen Jenkins went to the Giants as soon as they left us.
    My Nightmare is having to block Brandon Graham or Vinny Curry in Giant or Cowboy Uniforms, two 4-3 teams for the next 5 years. I just watched Desean Jackson who we cut, put the Nail in our 2014 coffin, eliminating us from playoff contention… I swear I will find a new team to obsess over if I ever see VINNY Curry or Brandon Graham, in Dallas or Giants Blue! That’s unforgivable. We put up with a lot as Eagles fans, don’t ask me to put up with watching VINNY curry or Brandon Graham in de vision rivals uniforms trying to know FOles out the games.. Don’t even play with me Like that.

    If you aren’t going to extend Curry and Keep him here, flip him to the Dolphins since their GM isn’t gettimg fired and he ismt the man who drafted Dion..who knows if a new GMS would come in, fire coach Phylbin, hire a new coach that wants to play a 3-4 and happens to love Dion Jordan..if we aren’t going to extend VINNY Curry, we NEED TO TRADE HIM NOW for various reasons:
    A) Dictate who he plays for, try to keep him out of rival hands that play 4-3 defenses. Try to find an AFC team like the Dolphins that wants him to take him so we have hope that they extend him Longterm and DONT let the Giants or Cowboys to try to sign him on the open market
    B) The Current Regime dedicated to 4-3 defense, clearly doesn’t value Dion much, the GM didn’t draft him so can trade him without it being a ugly mark on his resume… Before they get a new regime in there that likes Dion, should probably try to secure him now….it’s been two years since he was a top picks he is already in the drug program, his value should be much more TRADEable, than it was last year

    C) If we Trade away,VINNY Curry for a Draft pick or an OLB, this is a pretty Darn good class for 3-4 DE’s… If we have to get a young talent to replace VINNY, you won’t get a better draft than this one to do it….Oregons Arik Armstead, Shawn Oakman technically ismt a scheme fit, but he has all the attributes we look for in our DE’s and Azzinaro is a damn good teacher

    There is a good argument to be made for just keeping his pass rush until he walks in free agency because we will just get a comoensatory pick, while THATS true, letting him walk in free agency is how my nightmare unfolds and I’m stuck watching 5 years of Curry beating up on Eagle QBs twice a year on a Rival.

    The player we cut, Desean Jackson, just literally put the nail in the coffin of our playoff dreams… I’m friggin Traumatized

  180. 180 oreofestar said at 4:52 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Parkey is.nice. I think Mac gets locked up before free agency but im thinking while i.hope.we extend Curry i wouldntmind seeing hisworth

  181. 181 GEAGLE said at 5:03 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Your boy Oakman looks like he won’t even go in round 1 these days…Armstead might slip to the beginning of round two also.
    If we have to replace front 7 players this is the draft to do it.
    If we can’t have Erik Kendricks, I hope to get Benardrick McKinneys huge 6’5 Frame to play our Meco Thumper role. Even tho he is 6’5 MLB, he real athletic, can drop into coverage.. He would add some size, where as a kendricks and KEndricks tandem may be a little small, but with the way Logan, Cedrick, Cox, Beau Allen play, I think we can pull off a KEndricks and KEndricks ILB tandem.
    I want the LSU corner,
    start watching the Virginia Safety…. Stylisticalky a Nice fit for what we do

  182. 182 oreofestar said at 5:11 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Oakman slipping outof.round one would be glorious than Ray. Armstead i like.too but i dtill.think he goes round one. Im in love with McKinney ever since you.introduced me to him. I Collins and Carter for us. Mayve Olomu if.he really falls as your opinion of Waynes andtheFSU.corners i dont love them yet

  183. 183 GEAGLE said at 6:08 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Meh… Anytime I try watching the FSU corners, I always just end up drooling over safety Jalen Ramsey’s. Love that kid but he is young….. PJ Williams, I doubt we,are interested in him, some Charecter concerns. Darby I’m not in love with either.
    Prefer the LSU boys, and your boy Carter, even tho the ridiculous stanford graduation rules will force Carter to miss a lot of our offseason program, so he has like zero chance at being ready to start as a rookie…
    I need to watch more of the MSU DBs, but Jaylen Collins is probably the closest thing I can find to the last cornerback prospect that I really LOVED, which was Desmond Trufant on the Lane Johnson draft…I loved that kid, and he has lived up t the his draft position.
    Obviously, we all know who the best CB in the draft is, but he is a major knucklehead and one of the teams that don’t care if you have Charecter concerns would draft him much earlier than a guy like chip would take a flier on him, but Peters is certainly the top CB in this draft, yet he pculd fall to round two of three because he is a jackass

  184. 184 oreofestar said at 6:42 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Yeah.but really thanks on McKinney id love the first

  185. 185 GEAGLE said at 7:07 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    May be able to get him early to mid second round. In like the 35-45 range.. Tho he could end up putting on a show for his size at ILB at the combine..
    But now that I thnk about , I don’t really think this draft
    Has one of those Luke Keacly, Mosely, top 20 first round Linebacker talents in this draft… I expect to see LBs with early round two grades like Erik Kendricks get drafted at the end of round one by teams like Bengls and The Packers who really wanted Shazier last year. if you wanted someone like Shazler, it makes sense why they would want Erik Kendricks..

    No top 20 ILBs in this draft
    1 top 20 safety, Landon Collins who we won’t view as a scheme fit
    The only real top 20 CB is a HEADCASE who we would never draft top 20… But if My boy Collins from LSU, puts on a show at the combine, he could end up being worthy of a pick in the 17-30 range with his long arms, 6’2″height and extensive experience playing bump n run at LSU

  186. 186 oreofestar said at 7:39 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Yeah good passrusher draft though ill say McKinney.could.climb and another corner will rise with Peters being an ass maybe Waynes

  187. 187 GEAGLE said at 4:58 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Chip kelly shut down the entire Marcus is a bust crap today with one simple example. He talked about having great players ahead of him, and how if you just graduate from Harvard and you get a job for a big company, you start as an entry level position, you don’t just graduate college and get awarded a CEO position…. And his example was simple and to the point.

    “Aaron Rogers sat 3 years. After he didn’t play any snaps his rookie year, did the Packers pick a first round bust?” … Aaron Rogers wasn’t can’t miss Andrew Luck #1 pick, he was closer to the BRady Quinn draft night fall, on to of that BRett Favre, a pretty good QB entrenched in thee position was ahead of him.,,. Did that make Aaron Rogers a bust? Of course not…. So why do people make this big deal about Marcus not playing, when we are getting to enjoy 3 OLBs playng like Beasts ahead of him this year? I could understand if we,drafted Justin Gilbert who is on the bench behind Jordan Poyer. If we drafted a first round corner who couldn’t get on the field even tho bradley Fletcher is stinking it up, I could understand the frustration.,.. But why do people care about a rookie being on the bench when they are watching 3 OLBs play at a high level? not to mention we have the #1 ranked ST, why would we care if he isn’t playing ST., when we went out and prioritized signing free agent ST. beasts like Braman, and we are paying Casey good money to play ST instead of TE…

  188. 188 Henly125 said at 5:37 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    That’s as good an example you can get when trying to make a point that the kid needs to DEVELOP. The fan base thinks he’s a bust now, wait 3 years down the line when this kid is leading the team in sacks. The problem is jumping to conclusions on a first round rookie. Fans expect rookie of the year numbers just because of the round he was drafted in. Doesn’t make sense to me. Chip is protecting these rookies, he’s not exposing them until they get it. I don’t see a problem with this approach, i love it. I prefer a draft class not playing until they’re truly ready, however long it takes. Better that than to rush rookies in and blow up their confidence while hindering their production.

  189. 189 GEAGLE said at 5:59 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Well said man..fully agree, I prefer keeping rookies developing on the bench and when they earn the playing time and the reach the point where they are showing up so much in practice that we can no longer justify keeping them on the bench, that’s when we bring them in,,,,THATS the healthiest way to grow young talemt IMO

  190. 190 Henly125 said at 6:22 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Absolutely. It’s the safest and smartest way to develop players. Thats the way it should be, honestly. The patience is worth the end result.

  191. 191 GEAGLE said at 6:31 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    interesting that Jaylen Watkins has been practicing every day at all 3 positions, Safety, nickel CB and outside corner… I assume they think extremely highly of him, trusting him to learn all 3 positions and take reps at all 3 positions as a rookie.. He said he thinks that versatile DB that can fill in anywhere we need help appeals to chip.

    Would be great if the strength program was jacking him Up and he could tackle to hopefully have a shot at Safety… It would be awesome if we end up with two safeties like Malcolm Jenkins who have legit high caliber corner back experience…This defensive scheme will really take off once we have two safeties who either one of them can pick up a WR like Desean if he goes in motion to his side or run with a Tight end….true CB ability, like a guy like Malcolm Jenkins who has drafted as a highly rated CB…. It would be such a big boost if Earl Wolff, Reynolds or Watkins could surprise us and emerge as a quality NFL starting safety.
    The one game watkins Got to dress,he had those awesome Big Hits in ount coverage as a gunner when he timed the run perfectly and blew the PR up..

    I knew he could different positions, bet I figured as a rookie we would start him off at one, and expand on it in the future,… Shame we can’t see the kid sunday, he is one of the players im most itching to get to next years preseason to see play. I have no,idea where his tackling level is at to be able to play safety or not…Watkins also talked about helping Nolan out, because Nolan had Never played inside CB, he was always an outside CB before he came to philly, so before Nolan got hurt, he was taking most snaps outside competing with Bradley, while Jaylen was playing in the slot because he is comfortable their and already had experience playing inside and dealing with run fits… And I guess Nolan got hurt at the worst time, Bradley won the outside CB slot by default, and Nolan needed to learn how to play Dime on the fly…
    This is important because:
    A) Nolan grew into a pretty nice Dime CB and if this was his first year ever playing inside, it suggests he can become even better if we give him continuity in that role
    B) It also is important because it suggests that Nolan Carrol is even better outside, than the solid Dime corner we saw him be this year…THATS VERY got Byron Maxwell on their minds, but don’t be shocked if Bradley Fletcher walks, and Nolan moved back outside, which is where the Eagles saw him play on film for the Dolphins before we signed him. I know fans don’t want to hear this, but there is a very real possibility that our starting corners on opening day next year are both already on this roster, Nolan and Cary… If this is what happens, ATleast fans will be happy to know we most likely drafted a young outside Cb, ATleast 6ft tall, 6’2 Jaylen Collins from LSU would be ideal. The rookie would sit next year, with Jaylen watkins replacing Nolan in Dime package. next offseason, Cary’s contract expires and we let him walk, Jaylen Collins would be ready in year two to take over across from Nolan Carrol(unless next years Cb market is better and we can sign an upgrade) and we draft another outside CB who sits while Collins/Nolan start… At the end of that year, Nolan walks, and we are left with Collins 3rd year Corner, and the corner we draft next year in his second NFl season.

  192. 192 MagsMightyMutt said at 8:10 PM on December 24th, 2014:

    Of course the FO likes Maclin. A few months ago they did offer him a 5-year contract, did they not?

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  195. 195 Tim_A_H said at 10:40 PM on December 26th, 2014:

    “He’s not an elite #1 type….” I would have disagreed, based on his numbers, playmaking ability, and lack of any other threat (slowed running game, poor QB play, no other WR threat). But then not after the game against Washington. Not 1 WR jumped for that final pass. A true #1 would have at least fought for it.