Hot For Hundley?
Posted: January 20th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 434 Comments »Charlie Campbell from Walter Football posted this nugget.
For months, there has been speculation that Philadelphia wants to trade to get Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota and reunite him with Chip Kelly. However, there are rumors going around that the Eagles love UCLA quarterback Brett Hundley. From an athletic skill set perspective, it makes all the sense in the world, as Hundley is a great athlete with mobility to hurt defenses with his feet. He also has a strong enough arm to disrupt the ball throughout the field. The rumor mill is saying that the Eagles are hot for Hundley and would target him much earlier than other teams, as in he could be in play for their first- or second-round pick.
I have no idea if this is true. It is completely logical because all 32 teams love Hundley’s size, athleticism and physical potential. When you break down his play, things change. Those that like Hundley focus on the positives. Others see a mess on the field and want nothing to do with him. They see a better version of Logan Thomas.
I am still not sure what to make of Hundley. He has the potential to be a very good NFL starter, but you have no idea if he’ll ever come close to realizing that potential. The mental part of the game is his biggest weakness…and we’re talking about college football. Things get much harder in the NFL. Interviews are going to be critical for him. Hundley is going to have to sell some team that he can learn and will work his butt off to become a good NFL QB.
If you could draft him with a mid-round pick, Hundley would be a no-brainer (which would be fine even if he turned out to be a no-brainer). The problem is that a guy with his physical potential won’t last that long. EJ Manuel wasn’t nearly as good as Hundley and went in the mid-1st. I doubt he makes it out of the 2nd round, if he falls that far.
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I asked someone with good league connections last night about Marcus Mariota and Jameis Winston. This guy feels Mariota goes first overall, but has no idea on Winston.
You can argue for which guy should go first based on talent and performance. Winston is much more NFL ready. However, character is a huge issue and Winston’s character is either highly questionable or flat out awful. Is that the kid you want to make the center of your billion dollar organization? Jimbo Fisher couldn’t wait to get him out of Tallahassee.
There was some recent speculation about Mariota falling to the mid-1st, but I just can’t see that happening. He’s not Geno Smith.
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No good rumors about the Eagles and front office candidates.
I assume Chip Kelly will be here in Mobile. He’s been the past 2 years. Will be interesting to see who he chats up.
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I had an interesting discussion on Nate Allen with some folks on Twitter last night. I said some good things about Clayton Geathers from UCF and someone pointed out that sounded like what I wrote about Nate in January of 2010. And he was right. I loved Nate Allen coming out of USF. I thought he was going to be a good starting FS for years. I was ecstatic when the Eagles drafted him.
Nate had a solid rookie year, but then got hurt late in 2010. That injury affected him in 2011, as did playing for lesser coaches and in the Wide-9. He really struggled in 2012 before bouncing back in 2013. The new coaches and new scheme helped him out. I hoped he would take another step forward in 2014. That did not happen.
Some people felt any talk of injuries, scheme and coaches were me simply making excuses for Nate. Uh, no. Go watch his tape from the 2010 season. You will see a guy playing with confidence and showing a kind of aggression we haven’t seen since. The guy we see on the field now isn’t the same player.
There is value in understanding why Nate failed. He was never on his way to being Dawk, Pt. 2, but there is no question that without his injury he would be a different guy today. That and the Wide-9 gave him some bad habits and changed the way he played.
Jaiquawn Jarrett never showed potential. He was a terrible pick. Nate showed a lot of promise as a rookie and then things changed. There is a huge difference. It is important to figure out what happened to help with evaluating players going forward. You need to learn from your mistakes.
I thought Danny Watkins was going to be a good player. Age aside, I loved the guy as a prospect. He was good on tape and at the Senior Bowl. Turned out he didn’t have the commitment that football requires. Jarrett was a terrific college player, but just couldn’t adjust to the NFL. He struggled with getting bigger and stronger. He never showed the kind of confidence that he had at Temple. Jarrett owned the field in college. He played with an attitude. He looked lost and unsure of himself when he was with the Eagles.
You don’t want the draft to be a pure guessing game. You want to figure out why things work and why they didn’t.
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Nate Allen somehow led the team in INTs last season. crazy.
Somehow managed to bite on the most play action passes, that one passed the eye ball test tho 🙂
But Jarrett has turned into a good Safety for the Jets, he looks like a completely different player. I feel we gave up on him too soon.
I am in the minority but I prefer Nate comes back and we focus on the CB position. We can do a lot worse then Nate at S. Is he a super star? No, but he is an average to above average S who will play better with better CB play. For an example look at Chung in NE. Playing in a better secondary coupled with health made him a different player. I am hoping Nate signs another 1 year contract and competes for a job.
Do we realisticly think Hundley will be there at 20? And even if you can get him at 20 or have to send both 4ths to move up, doesn’t that send a negative message to the locker room and start a Qb controversey with Foles?
Jarrett success with the Jets is a good example of T-Law’s note about good coaching. Rex Ryan is one of the best defensive coaches in the game today, he can get the most out of player.
Jarrett is not even a starter for the Jets who had one of the worst secondaries last year. Lets hold back on the success part
Haha! I’m a casual Jets fan (they’re in the AFC and I hate the Patriots and Dolphins, so…). I couldn’t even watch them this year they were so bad. I took him at his word when he said Jarrett was good. Didn’t he have a couple picks?
I stand by my statement about Rex. I think he’s a top tier defensive coach. New York will just be a train wreck as long as Woody Johnson is the owner.
I hope Rex can really unleash the Bills’ D and give Belicheat a hard time.
I would STILL be pressing “like” if it’d do any good. You know how I feel about ‘dem Cheatriots…
Speaking of, did you read the Brad Reed article on his dream for a “Nightmare Superbowl” between America’s 2 most despised teams (Dal & NE)? If not, here it is.HILARIOUS! https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/dream-america-nightmare-super-bowl-dashed-185533848.html
as i mentioned before, Nate Allen led the Eagles in INTs. doesn’t mean you had a ‘successful’ year by any means.
First time I’ve seen anybody say “Success with the jets” in reference to last season lol
Well, apparently he was supposed to go to above average this past season but…yeah…he’s average, at best.
I hope all three of Hundley, Winston and Mariotta go before 20. That means more players dropping to us.
Preach it!!
I will be spending most time in the bathroom puking should the Eagles spend #20 on Hundley rather than on an ILB, CB or S.
Hundley’s habit of ducking down his head and running when his first read is not open just scares the hell out of me.
When it comes to Hundley, I really think coaching matters.
For me Mora Jr. is a bad coach for Hundley types of QB as his system is pretty much 1 read and then run (see Michael Vick under him as well).
Its the same thing about guys like Saban, Meyers, Kelly.
Take Cardale Jones, while he had 3 impressive games, how much of that is really Meyers and the system consider how he just kept replacing QBs with no problems? How great would Hundley look if he had commited to Oregon instead of UCLA? Where would Mariota be now if a Manziel, Pryor or Hundley commited to Oregon?
The question is if Hundleys problem are correctable and how much of it was Mora’s coaching and how much was his natural habbits?
I think if you take Hundley, you have to be willing to let him sit for at least 1 year before starting him. I have serious doubts that he’s gotten enough reps to develop his pocket ability enough to be an NFL QB, but if he sits for 1 (or more!) years working on it in non-pressure situations, he might work out along the lines of Rodgers. I just am not a believer in the theory that a QB who has little experience in the pocket can learn the skills at the NFL level before his confidence/body is absolutely shattered.
Any QB maybe sans Mariota would need to sit a year imo.
I think Mariotta would, too, given the passing scheme differences between Oregon and Philly. At the very least, he would benefit greatly from it.
Of course he would. RIGHT NOW, people still think he can walk on water, but realistically no rookie is going to be able to beat out Nick FOles THIS August going into his 4th season, 3rd year of continuity in this offense….. A rookie won’t beat him out for the job in August…. That’s just not going to happen…. The ONLY rookie QB I would even be curious to see compete with FOles is Jameis Winston, and that’s just because I think he is significantly more ready for the NFL than “the last Boy Scout”…. Marriotta may be advanced for a rookie at handling our offense, but he isn’t ready for what NFL defenses will throw at him as a rookie
And the offense isn’t the same. Josh Huff is proof of that
Winston in our offense would be a more physically talented passer than Foles, but without the team first work ethic that makes Foles special. Frankly, I see a ton of Ryan Leaf in Winston. You can have him. You may not like Mariota, but he’s a really good fit for our offense. Yes, he’d need to improve as a passer, but he has the tools. Foles, much as I like him, will always be a square peg in a round hole in Chip Kelly’s offense.
Outside of our offense, Mariota needs to sit a year or more as well. Love him as a prospect, but he’s not a finished product. He will struggle if asked to come in and run a typical pro scheme.
I tend to believe that draft success is equal parts talent evaluation, scheme fit, and coaching. Don’t need all three for every pick, but the chances of success greatly decrease if any of the three are lacking. I think Allen’s problems came from the lack of the last two more than anything: before Kelly, the coaching was suspect, at best, and he wasn’t a good fit for the Wide-9, which assigned him a gap responsibility consistently. Now, as TL notes, his confidence is shot and he’s slow to react to everything. Talent wasn’t the issue.
Most of Nate’s mistakes this season were because he was too quick to react. He would see something in front of him and jump it leaving his corners without deep help. That’s a mortal sin for a safety. Nate is this fan bases whipping boy. If he tries to be aggressive, he gets burned over the top and we criticize him. When he plays passive, we bitch that he lacks instincts. I don’t believe Nate is a great safety, but having watched a lot of other teams, he’s not nearly as bad a most seem to think. A lot of teams would love to have Nate instead of the current trash they have lining up at safety. Least talented position in the entire NFL.
wow Tommy really has some groupies, people pointing out that in 2010 you said such and such. Was her name Megan?
Groupie behavior is nothing new around here
I would argue rookie Nate Allen did look a bit like young Brian Dawkins, but that wasn’t the hitter we came to know. Rookie Dawk was a ball hawk with incredible speed and range. That exactly how Nate looked as a rookie … Then that mashugana knee!
I still have no idea how Logan Thomas was even drafted, let alone in the 4th round. He was a bad college QB that showed no improvement in his 3 years as a starter.
At least one game of tape in 2013 where he looks like a top of the first sort of QB. When the erratic passing is under control, you see a guy who can pass to every level of the field with zip. Fixing him, if you manage to do it, will give you someone who can be a top QB. That’s why he was drafted.
Yep. Upside plain and simple. Too many guys get drafted for upside when it’s obvious they haven’t learned a thing about playing the game in four years of college.
By now it takes someone really gullible to believe that they are going to hear accurate leaks out of Novacare telling us who the Eagles really covet… If that’s what you believe, “Vai Con Dio”…
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It’s that time of year where we dust off the bullshit narrative about needing a QB. I find it amusing that the same people who have no patience for the developmental process of young players ESPECIALLY at the QB position, want to spend more picks on young QBs when they aren’t even willing to give the 4th yr QB and 3rd year QB enough time to develope so we can really see the best they have to offer. The people who want another young QB are the people that will trash him in two years when he isn’t developed into a Mature veteran… Takes 3,4,5 years to see the best your young QB has to offer. Until fans and media understand the patience it requires to develop young players at THAT position, this city won’t ever have a young QB it believes in….
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Fortunately coaching staffs and front offices all understand this…
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UNTIL I see some type of Intel that would point to barkley not being here next year, I have no interest in discussing college QBs. Just because Barkley didn’t provide any gratification in year two, doesnt mean chip is done grooming him.
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I still think there is a good chance we have the same 3 QBs back next year… Complication is if barkley asks for a trade or if Sanchez wants to leave…..
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Chip is always going to want a #2 he can count on to play if an injury occurs. Im not sure he is ready to trust Barkley with that #2 responsibility…Sanchez won’t be replaced with a rookie. The only wAy we are drafting a QB is if Barkley isnt brought back, or if Barkley is ready to graduate from developing young QB, to #2 QB we can count on…
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I need some tangible Intel before I can just believe the media assumptions of people that don’t understand what it takes to develop young QBs before you can really see how good they can be… But I’m not surprised we dusting off tbis tired narrative, I’m used to doing this QB dance every offseason by now….
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Only thing really certain is FOles will start in September. But I think it’s way too soon to assume we are done witj sanchez and Barkley and will be adding another young QB…. We can add all the young QBs we want, but it won’t ever matter until we commit to one and give him enough time and continuity to see how good he can be when he realizes his full potential, and that will NEVER happen after only 20 games..
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LMAO I got people who saw barkley play a few preseason games as a rookie, seen him play two unprepared regular season games as a 3rd string rookie…saw him play a few preseason games in year two, haven’t seen Barkley since August, yet these BLOWHARDS think they have the Intel needed to accurately make this fanbase assume we are done with Matt Barkley? LOL and people buy this bullshit, believe it, til the point it becomes the consensus assumption, and then they have unrealistic expectations, and 3 months from now, when the eagkes go in a different direction from their assumptions, they will rip the Eagles decision makers..and why? Because they trust the bul
Shot elliot SHar PARKER told them, instead of Chip Kelly’s oppinion? LOL ok…
but we must draft a QB. He has to be number 2 on the squad and replace Foles in 2016. I’m surprised you’re not on board with this.
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Nate Allen gets 3 million excuses about potential as a rookie and coaching changes bs but when it come to Nick Foles — after having 1 year as the starter in camp — needs to be replaced IMMEDIATELY!!!!! Didn’t he just go through a coaching change? Oh that’s right, that excuse is already used by Allen.
luck and Wilson can make as many boneheaded costly mistakes as they want, as long as they find a way to win, no one cares about any of their flaws or the bad positions they put their team is…..as long as they overcome their boneheaded mistakes, thats all anyone cares about when judging Luck and Wilson… The way people talk about them, those two have been walking on water since they entered the league and can do no wrong,,
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And THATS Fine by me… IMO can a QB lead the team to a win is ALL THAT MATTERS TO ME! But people need to make up their fucking minds about how they want to judge young QBs… If mistakes don’t matter as long as the QB leads you to a win, then FOles is going to have to start being judged the same way…
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How did Luck vs. Dallas? That was freakin brutal!!!
I have watched every single colts game this season…. Our fans would be ripping him after half the wins….
can’t argue with that. great job .
That’s all I care about…. Stop changing the damn rules for how every young QB is judged… Judge FOles by the same parameters Luck, KAp,Cam,Wilson and every one else’s favorite young QB is judged.
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You can’t tell me that a young QB with a bomb squad around him can make a million mistakes and be looked at as a GOD as long as he ends up winning, and then complain when Nick FOles wins don’t come with perfect 350yard, 3TD,no INT performances,,,
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Judge Nick the same way all the other young QBs are judged, and when you do that, you probably will see that we have one of the more promising legit young QBs, that’s still realizing his full potential as an NFL QB
Get em!!!!!!!
Great job. Agree with everything you said. Build the OL, WR, defense around Foles abd watch how good he becomes. I’m on board with Foles. He’s bought himself another 2 years if you ask me because of his winning record. Don’t have to pay him this year or next, can simply franchise him next year if the cap space is right.
He “has to be number two behind Foles and replace him in 2016”? Come on man. If Foles plays like he did at his worst this year, yeah. But if he’s even remotely close to the guy we saw in 2013, that’s idiotic. He’s still a young player and there isn’t enough data on him to reach a definitive conclusion yet. If you were a Chargers fan you’d probably be one of the guys pushing to run Brees out of town in 2004.
you missed the sarcasm son…
Apologies then.
There is so much irrational Foles hatred (as opposed to rational Foles skepticism) among certain Eagles fans that it’s easy to be fooled sometimes.
Wonder what it will take to see 3 years of QB peace as an eagle fan?
Im skeptic of Foles staying healthy and our fan base being anymore patience. Foles will be starter week 1 no matter what if he is healthy. And we will win games
Yeah, I’m a little worried about that too. He was playing hurt since the first Redskins gabe and I knew he wasn’t going to make it through the season and he didn’t. Need to see him stay healthy.
I don’t think he was playing hurt. Intact I remember reading about him having huge shoulder bruised from redskins Dbag Dlineman.
Folks needs to keep himself on the field, we keep winning, everyone happy lol.
I haven’t watched much of Hundley but have no interest in him with a first round pick.
I don’t see how people thinking drafting a project QB, even a talented one, will get this team closer to a Super Bowl, given the number of holes it still has.
I agree wholeheartedly with the 2nd para.
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They’ve gone “all-in” with Kelly. If that’s what Kelly truly wants, then I still trust him. Have to see what he can do, and if it implodes, it implodes. Rather take the chance at greatness and fail than not try.
I don’t trust him. His judgment on personnel matters to this point has been suspect at best, and history suggests that going all in on a coach – even a great one – is a bad move. Hundley is multiple years from being a starting NFL quarterback. Even if he did develop, multiple core players (Peters, McCoy, Mathis, Barwin, etc.) would be gone or on the decline by the time he was ready.
If Kelly picks Hundley in the first round, I’d be closer to wanting to run him out of town than to trusting him.
To be clear, it would be the defining moment. If it works, then Kelly’s the genius many claim him to be. If it doesn’t, it goes down as just another instance, of many, in history where a coach’s ego was bigger than his ability.
I completely agree with your logic, I’m just being up front that I will partially change my tune if the unlikely happens and Kelly drafts him early. I’m still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt – at least until he has a losing season 🙂
If it works, Kelly is hailed as a genius, you are right. But if he’s wrong, he leaves here in the same way Belichick left Cleveland. He will get the second chance. So the risk is limited for Chip. In some ways, the risk is higher for us as long-term fans. How crappy would it be to see Kelly move on to, say, San Fran, and become the West Coast Belichick?
By the way, among the QBs the only one who interests me is Grayson.
Why continuity matters…..
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Every year you can add all the talemt you want, but you need to be patient and allow players YEARS to Gel until they can become a close knit unit that plays predominently to not let down the man next to them…. continuity is why you see seahawks players refuse to let their team mates down, playing thru dislocated shoulders, sprained elbows, high ankle sprains… You play for money, you play for glory, but the best teams play for a FEAR of LETTING DOWN their Brother who is linnning up next to them…
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If we are going to make UPGRADES, they can’t be MARGINAL… Slightly better player isn’t worth breaking up the continuining and adding a new player who has to start the gelling process over again from scratch…
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Plenty of UPGRADES NEED to be made tbis pffseason, but let’s be smarter than typical eagle fans who will just clamor for a million unrealistic upgrades….
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UPGRADES need to be made, but let’s make them count, instead of silly clamoring for every marginal upgrade we see available..
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That Buddy Ryan Eagle defense reached the level of brotherhood to where guys refuse to let their team mates down…. When you reach that level of cohesion, that’s a powerful weapon
That Buddy Ryan Eagle defense reached the level of brotherhood to where guys refuse to let their team mates down…. When you reach that level of cohesion, that’s a powerful weapon… As we are seeing in Seattle
I am afraid that your ‘bro’ Cary Williams will never be tight with his co-workers in Philly…
You shouldn’t need me to have to tell you that Cary is nothing more than a stop gap, who’s sole purpose of being back for one last year is so that when we draft an outside corner, we aren’t forced to immediately pencil him in as a day 1 starter which is what dysfunctional teams, typically with Cap problems are forced to do.
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Hopefully the rookie CB we draft is a rare Gem who can immediately blow Cary out of the camp competition and EARN the starting spot in September so we don’t have to see another year of Cary…. But a fan like you. Would draft a corner, assume he can start with no emergency parachute, I highly doubt a smart coach who isn’t in cap hell would be stupid enough to fuck with out a condom…
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cary will be brought back, because free agency is before the draft, and you don’t even know which corner you are getting in the draft, let alone knowing if he has any chance to start in September…don’t you get tired of simplistically viewing everything like a fan? What’s the point? How can you expect to ever have any accurate expectations? I don’t get it
I only see Cary coming back if he takes a massive pay cut. And I just don’t see that, given his ego.
You better hope he takes that damn pay cut, or you are REALLY going to be pissed when they bring back Bradley instead as the stop gap parachute opposite of nolan Carrol… You better fuckin hope cary comes to terms, cause you will really be bitching when they announce Bradley’s extension…
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And Cary doesn’t neccessarily have to take a pay cut, he needs to restructure to get his cap hit down….that’s not automatically needing to take a massive paycut…they probably give him a new two year deal that they can easily get out of so that he never actually sees year two of the deal
What I hope and what I believe will happen are two different things. But what do I know, as a fanboy…?!
Also I don’t necessarily think it will be just as easy to re-structure his deal without swallowing a cap hit or dead money in year 2…
I don’t look forward to your posts after you see how the Eagles address the CB situatipn in free agency……. Sadly I doubt new faces are joining us til the draft….I’m certainly rooting for your dream of the Eagls signing Maxwell, Kareem Jackson and McCourty all in the same pffseason… I’m certainly rooting for you bud, I just warn not to get your hopes up
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Obviously if I’m calling these players stopgaps, I would love to see them upgraded
It’s good to have dreams, right?! And I am fully aware of keeping expectations as realistic as possible. That being said I’d be fine with one of our magic trio. 😉
Blessing in disguise Haven’t wanted him on the team since he cried about dead legs in week 2. Next year he would only be worse,in every way.
Hard to have brotherhood amongst guys who don’t make plays. If I’m good at something I hate having shitty people around me brings the whole team down and makes my job harder. Then I’m mad at my boss for not getting anyone decent.
Can’t have lob if you can’t draft. Can’t be three years in and still talk the same “build through the draft” when you have nothing to show for it.
Lol k
Am I wrong? You think there’s a brotherhood brewing amongst anyone in that secondary?
I hear all this stuff you’re preaching, continuity, letting rookies “develop” but none of it matters if you can’t draft and you can’t coach players.
Maybe we can see it developing on the DL. B/c there are studs there and they know they are good.
Continuity when you lack talent is the key to mediocrity. I know you hate relying on rookies, Geagle, but relying on stop gap players instead just ensures that those kids never develop. We were wise enough to jettison stop gap NT Sopoaga and were rewarded with Benny developing into a quality NT. Was he even a solid player when first forced to start? No. Hell, even at the end of his rookie season, he still had holes in his game. We are still far better off than if we’d kept Isaac. Don’t understand why you can’t see that the same applies to the secondary.
You mean pay for a stud instead of getting replacement players?
I mean making moves that are perfect fits in every way possible.. For example:
Not re signing Nate Allen, and aggressively trying to replace him with a perfect fit like McCourty, who will be expensive, but because he is so perfect in every way for us, he could very well have a chance at being worth every penny, the way Malcolm and Barwin have proven to be…
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To suggest throwing money at some average corner just because his name isn’t cary or Brad, is pointless….I’m sure the Eagles will make exploratory calls to the clear corner upgrades like Byron Maxwell, I’m just not to confident about them outbidding all the corny needy teams that will love a member of the legion of boom, especially if we were fortunate enough to sign a quality safety..
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I mean, does an Eagle fan even exsist who wouldnt be absolutely Thrilled to see the Eagles Sign Byron Maxwell and Devin McCourty? We would have to be out of our minds to not WANT that….but is it very likely to actually happen? I’m not getting my hopes up
I completely agree. We’ll see what happens undoubtedly we won’t be the only people in the hunt, but hopefully we’ll be in the best cap position to go after some of these guys. The other issue with DBs is that from the outside looking in, this isn’t a great place to be.
If I’m Devin first question would be who will starting corners be? Otherwise i’d take less, and stay in NE, or go somewhere else.
I don’t know how any opposing coach can go to Gillete stadium for a crucial playoff game and trust that you will get a fair shot in New England….it’s getting to a point where opposing teams are going to have to sweep the sideline, locker room, coaches sky booths for “Bugs”… as technology increases you have to become more and re suspicious of Bellicheat….. the Patriots cheating isn’t what won them a trip to the Super Bowl, but it’s the same team over and over as the ONLY Team that is ever even associated with cheating…. Report is that numerous Balls during the Patriots game had to be removed from play…. Fortunately it was a 45 point blowout so you don’t have to worry about how cheating played a factor in the outcome, because deflating balls isnt why the Patriots won, it’s just despicable that the same coach, the same franchise is the ONLY one ever even accused for crap like this….
This is one of those things the patriots just have to live with, along with cheaters of every sort. They can do things clean for the rest of franchise history and this stuff will continue to pop up for them, regardless. In my opinion, when it comes to high profile corporations and franchises, the ones the get busted are the cleanest going forward, because they are under a microscope. An example: if I was going to work on an oil rig, I’d probably go work on a BP oil rig, all their stuff has been scrutinized to high hell.
My take is it’s probably nothing, until something of substance is discovered it’s just an oddity that people without any answer will fill in the blank with “Patriots cheated”. But it’s always fun to watch them get scrutinized and discredited. That’s the price they pay.
That very well may be the case, but when in all my years of caring about this game, I never even heard of the possibility of gaining an advantage by deflating a ball, I can’t just automatically assume it’s a coincidence when the only coach ever to be really accused of this type of cheating in recent history, happens to be the one associated with this…
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Officials removed 4 or 5 balls from play in an AFC championship game… That happened… Now if someone was purposely trying to gain an advantage, I don’t know… But in such an important game, I think we can assume that pregame inspections took place, how 4-5 balls all ended up being removed from play, i don’t know….CRAZY COINCIDENCE?….maybe… But I would be really pissed if the NFL didnt ATleast try to investigate it after how they handled the last cheating allegation,.
you wouldn’t have heard about this either…if the patriots weren’t involved that is.
Is it really even an advantage worth the potential costs, the scheming to somehow get the nfl people distracted enough to deflate some but not all the balls. To constantly have Brady throwing some footballs that are inflated some that are not. Then go and play that card in a game they are dominating? If the patriots would employ such a tactic for so little gain, they would truly be the lowest franchise in all of sports, and dumbest to boot.
We wouldnt have heard that 4-5 balls were removed from a game, due to suspicious circumstances? I don’t know about that one…. I don’t think that there is much that strays hidden and can be successfully brushed under the rug in 2015… The only way this may go unnoticed in this day and age is if the game was at a neutral site, and there wasnt a true home team….
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Fortunately no matter what really happened, we can safely say that it didn’t effect the outcome of the game..and that’s really what matters, but after how Goodell destroyed the SPYGATE tapes, and all the heat he took this year, he can’t possibly be stupid enough to not investigate this…. Because of everything, I don’t see how you can automatically dismiss this and survive the publics wraths..
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You want to cheat your way to superbowls and then the commissioner destroys the evidence for you, then this is the type of crap you subject yourself to everytime something fishy happens…. No one ever accused the chip kelly eagkes of calling out the offenses plays before the QB could even relay the call to his team mates…
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Maybe THIS is a coincidence, but I don’t buy that it’s ALL a coincidence. I have seen dynasty’s before and never have they been tried to be torn down by fake cheating accusations… Where there’s smoke, there is either fire, or one hell of a smoke machine, lol
That’s sort of my point though, we start with the assumption that the patriots are cheaters and fit the scant details into that. If it had been Andrew Luck on the field when the refs held up the game to cycle through a bunch of footballs, we would be crying sabotage. The patriots altered the balls to throw off Andrew Luck and his receivers, lightening the balls to be affected more by the wind and rain.
Hell if I had an emotional horse in this race, say this happened in Philly with Nick Foles under Center, I’d be marching on New York saying their NFL ball boy sabotaged the Eagles and this only proves the NFL has had a conspiracy against Philly all along.
It is very strange and should be investigated (it is), but if things turn up inconclusive, or they decide there was a manufacturing defect or some such thing, I won’t be surprised or necessarily think anything shady is going on. Just not enough there in the present, just a bias from the past.
I can agree with that
Hundley in the 1st round by Kelly would be his ‘Jump the Shark’ moment.
unless he turns out to be pretty good then it becomes his fonzie moment
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I don’t see why Chip Kelly would take Hundley for his “size, athleticism and physical potential” over a guy like Brandon Bridge. Bridge is bigger, a better athlete, and he doesn’t have the mental issues.
So your saying he’s perfect for our first pick.
Done.
I’d love to get him in the 4th or 5th round, but I don’t think that’s going to be possible after the combine when he comes in 1st place in almost every measurable. Hopefully the Eagles can still get him with a 3rd.
Its funny how the only positive things I have ever seen you post are about Brandon Bridge.
I used to post positive things about DeSean Jackson all the time.
FREE AGENT TARGET: JR Sweezy! 25yr old Guard in his 3rd season for the Seattle Seahawks out of NC STATE.
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In the championship game, limping around, this kid showed the heart, toughness and Grit we would be fortunate to be able to land in Free AGency.
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Have no fear, at 6’5 298lbs, he is the smaller type of athletic OL that fit what we do, and like the addition of Maragos, wouldn’t mind another recent Champion added to our locker room, and this is a young Guard, proving that he can play at a high level on a team that loves to run the ball, that would be HUGE for us to add with Herremans and Mathis getting Long in the Tooth,,, hopefully Tobin and sweezy can become Herremans and Mathis future replacements, but sweezy can replace Herremans as soon as we want.
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He won’t be cheap, but he won’t be expensive like Iupati…
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if we can:
extend Mathis, Casey Mathews
restructure Meco,Cary, COle for one more year
Sigń Devin McCourty and JR Sweezy
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We will have had a solid enough offseason to where we don’t have to pencil in the rookies we draft immediately as starters next September, which is what dysfunctional franchises are forced to do(usually cap problems)
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The harder it is for rookies we draft to have to fight there way into earning playing time, the better they will be, and the better our team will be..
ozzie newsome plays rookies cuts vets. Baltimore wins games consistently. Different ways to skin a cat. the problem is if you can’t draft and you can’t coach it doesn’t matter what your strategy is it won’t work.
Ok…. As usually, I struggle to comprehend WTF you are talking about when responding to my posts…. Not sure what your response has to do with me thinking JR Sweezy could be a realistic free agent target of the Birds…
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Contrary to Popular belief, Marriotta, Byron Maxwell and Devin McCourty arent the ONLY 3 names to talk about these next 3 months.l
Question:
If Sweezy’s just finished his 3rd year, how will he be a FA (absent being cut)?
Sorry, meant James Carpenter… Seattle has 3 free agent OL… jr sweet should be extended soon. No idea why I have sleezy on the brain, both 25yr old guards
Thx. Gotcha.
Sleezy sweezy is currently, the much better guard, carpenter was a former 1st round bust type, but he starting to get it together…good candidate for the type of Mathis, Barbre type of signing that ends up playing his best ball as an eagle… Round 1 athleticism,… Lemuel Pierre and Steven Schilling are the other free ageny lineman…. Lemuel surprised me when we played him, but NOTHNG consistently special..
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Also love curremt first round bust Jonathon Cooper, property of Carfinals. I actually had him tied for 3rd on our wish list behind dion Jordan,and Lane Johnson…. I had Cooper and Ziggy Ansah as our next option depending on if we wanted to go Offense Of defense… Cooper won’t get cut yet, but maybe we can pry him away from arizona via trade…we would put his athleticism to use!
Pretty sure JAmes Carpenter was with Stoutland in Alabama, which is why he caught my eye as someone we may think we can get thebest out of
You’re interested in a guy who’s had weight issues and the associated work ethic questions who finally got into shape in the final year of his contract? i’m not saying it’s certain that he’s a bust waiting to happen, but I’d be worried about depending on a guy with his history.
At the current rate of QBs dropping out we might see Sanchize in the Pro Bowl on Sunday.
Mark Sanchez – pro bowl QB. . . . are you trying to make me ill?
It will be the moment to kill the whole probowl thing…
A poetic football moment
Can we get consensus value on Nick Foles?
I’ve always assumed it would be somewhere in Alex Smith territory – a 2015 2nd and a 2016 2nd.
More reports about Eagles trading up for Mariota out there. It’s silly season, get used to it. As much as I’d love for it to happen, just seems unlikely.
It’s something bad franchises do. True you almost certainly won’t win anything without a franchise QB, but you certainly won’t win anything wrecking your franchise looking for a QB then try to make up the difference in free agency. More often than not those teams end up with neither a QB nor a franchise.
Vic Fangio to Bears. Glad he’s not going to the Skins.
Nice… Turns out he is as smart as I thught he was, which couldnt possiblyhe the case if he makes a lateral move to go work for Danny boy
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Sheldon White, the Lions VP of pro personnel, is still a candidate for the Eagles GM job.
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White hasn’t interviewed for the job yet, but there’s a chance one could happen this week in Mobile.
If Sheldon White (a former NFL DB) has the same kind of eye for college DBs that Ray Rhodes (also a former NFL DB) had when he was doing his own GM work here —
and bringing in Vincent, Taylor, and Dawkins in a span of 12 months —
then I’d be on the Shelly White bandwagon.
Otherwise, I’ve not heard anything about White that makes him any better or worse than Eddie M — besides White’s association with the Lions.
A lot more experience.
experience doesn’t mean more qualified.
From Peter King: You’re one of many who wrote wanting to see McCarthy further excoriated
for his conservative play-calling. I think it’s okay to blame McCarthy
for being too conservative. But he is not totally responsible for his
players’ inability to make plays when they were there to be made. With
five minutes to go, even with Seattle crowding the box, I have an issue
with Eddie Lacy running twice and losing six yards. That is poor
execution in addition to poor play-calling.
wow. McCarthy is excused (ok he’s not really going that far). But it’s Lacy’s fault because two running plays didn’t work. Even though Seattle crowded the box. I am amazed every week at Peter King.
I stopped reading him years ago; he’s a decent travel writer but he knows more about football people than he knows about football itself (and doesn’t seem to realise this).
I try to stay away but I just can’t help myself.
My unhealthy addiction is with Walterfootball. Only dope I can count on to upgrade at least a 3 round mock draft,once a week, throughout the entire season. I hate him, usually disagree, but can’t help myself from checking.
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Tho Im still trying to figure out how he completely nailed that we would draft Bennie logan iin round 3
He’s (Walterfootball) good for grins and giggles, but I have problems putting any faith in what he says.
Yeah it’s pretty rare that I see what he writes… Typically I only know what King is up to when he writes something about the Eagles that makes the rounds of our local media. And I end up seeing it.. I can’t even remember the last time i looked for his opinipn of anything
Why bother being surprised at this point? It’s typical of the stuff he writes.
Reflecting on Oakland hiring Musgrave as an OC: on the one hand, it’s the Raiders, and not an organization at the top of most top coaches’ wish list to work for. But it also hints that there isn’t a lot of good offensive coaching talent to choose from.
I don’t know what the controversy in New England is. I know my balls shrink in the cold, too.
Bravo, bravo.
Hahahahahaha “a source of NJ.com and blowhard elliot SHar Parks says that tthe Eagles are full steam ahead trying to trade for Marriotta LOL… As if the moron who wrote that Desean was getting waived for his Gang ties, has a real source that would tell him something so important…LOL a new boss, Chip has the power in the personel department, jobs aren’t certain right now, yet NOW out of all times is when we will finally start to hear accurate leaks out of Chip and Novacare? And the great elliot SHar Parket who last week “had a source that told him bradley Fletcher was told we want him back”, just happens to be the media member who can confirm the eagkes are going up for Marriotta???? Have I told you about my kelly green magical unicorn? Sources say I have a real unicorn!!!!!
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How does this consistent Blowhard still have a job?
if a website’s goal is hits . . . .
you can see where that may lead.
Elliot SHar Parks is the greatest reporter ever to cover the Eagles.. No one has the sources this guy has… Tommy, might as well shut your blog down, and bow down to the awesomeness of the great Elliot SHar Jerkoff…
they’ve clearly done too many hits
Actually this one’s a Mark Eckel special. And here is my retort to this rumor:
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You know who actually knows what he is talking about that associates with those NJ,com donkeys? Matt Lombardo… He isn’t that big in the local market, but he is one of the best at accurately understanding Eagles and potential future moves that they might make. Hope to see him rise in the local eagle coverage market… He has a muchbetter understanding of eagkes reality than most of the local hacks
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If I HAD to choose between those two bonehead scenarios [A.) Bringing Back Bradley Fletcher or B.) Trading the farm for Mariotta], it will probably have to be option B.). Lol. …
Trying not to think about either
Dear chip, please don’t pick another project in rd1 when we have so many other needs. P.s. This mainly applies to Hundley but could also to mariota depending on the price
Eagles don’t assume that they are getting day one starters in the draft…
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If there is a big enough need to fill, It has to be addressed in free agency, unless you rationally expect a young player on our roster to improve enough to be the solution…
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Immediate needs, building next years starters comes in free agency… Build your future via the draft,…. But it’s a mistake to see a major immediate need and look for it to get solved in the draft
I don’t want us to reach for need at all. And while I would actually agree with you that draft is for the future. However, we have not been actually making an impact in free agency. If you sign a McCourty type, that is a great upgrade. Marginal upgrades that disrupt chemistry and continuity aren’t worth the change. If we’re not drafting well OR signing well, his culture and scheme won’t get it done at this level
FREE,AGENCY:
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Did denver extend Top Guard Orlando Franklin, or is there are real chance he could change teams in free agency? Iupati seems like a lock to change teams, not a dream scheme fit, but a great OL like him would figure it out, not very likely target tho..
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Already pointed to seattle Jaes Carpenter as a potential target, Guard who can also play Tackle, was a first round pick for seattle in 2011, who didn’t play well enough for them to pick up the 5th yr option so now he is scheduled to become a free agent. He is starting to play well, and he is a candidate for someone who’s best ball will come during the 2nd contract, especially since we can reunite him with Stoutland his coach at Alabama..affordable, 25yr old, 6’5 318lb guard with 1st round takent, 26 games of NFL experience…
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Sucks we can’t cut Cooper, with Torrey Smifh being such a great fit as our deep ball threat on the outside opposite of Maclin…
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Franklin will get a decent contract. With the deep OL draft this year, I would rather just draft one.
Franklin could end up with more money than Iupati… Curious to see what those two guards sigń for and with who..
Two teams that have cap problems and their windows is closing fast. I don’t think they’ll resign with their teams.
def think Iupati is gone! But if Peyton Manmings comes back. I’m not sure how you justify taking Franklin away from him. If Peyton retires, problem solved, bye bye Franklin…
Tom Gamble, like so many out of work NFLers, is at the Senior Bowl. He
is sitting with #Eagles scouts like Ed Marynowitz watching practice. –
Jeff McLane
Could be headed back to SF?
Yeah, he was seen talking with Baalke for a long time. Doesn’t necessarily mean anything as they may be friends but SF’s director of player personnel(Joel Patten) left before last year’s draft.
“Biggest ?s about Eagles “GM” job, I’m hearing, is a) is Chip gonna go
back to college; and b) is Howie still powerful in the organization.” –
Mosher
it might not be fair to say a college kid sucks when they haven’t been taught by pros yet, or gotten the chance to get better. players get better.
just because hundley has so many people saying he can’t pass or whatever does not mean he can’t get better right? players improve. I guess the trick is finding a guy who has a ceiling and is currently on the floor.
coach him up!
The trend for the 2015 QB class. All the athleticism in the world but lacking something.
lacking now. is that bad? isn’t that the way you find the diamond?
we have coaches.
we actually don’t have a QB coach. It’s also hard to teach the kind of quick decision making that the scheme requires.
There’s a lot to read between the snap and the mesh. So you need someone with brains and quick decision making — that can be hard to teach.
I wonder who would be available to be a good QB coach. I think I’d like someone who was relatively untalented but still was smart enough to make it work for a while, one of the Jay Fiedlers of the world.
Trestman? Did he take a job yet? Maybe hire someone as a special assistant — clearly $4 not an issue for the franchise.
I thought it was supposed to be you count the players in the box. and go
It’s interesting. In one sense QB doesn’t set protection, doesn’t have full audible power (it’s unclear how much the motioning is real), obviously doesn’t call own plays, etc. so that’s probably less to do than most QBs.
And maybe it’s a one-read situation, Kelly says read safety, followed by an if then statement and it’s pretty straight forward. But package plays seem complicated to run.
That’s the first read. Then, if it’s a pass play, you have to get your eyes downfield and understand who’s covered and who isn’t, or conversely, what route is covered. Also have to take into account feints and bluffs. There’s a certain type of fan that really wants it to be easy, so that they can argue for a certain type of QB. But I think the evidence tends to run the other way.
True but it takes time to develop a QB. Some intangibles aren’t just taught.
College QBs can get better at being a pocket passer with pro coaching…but there’s a limit. It’s more like arm strength than most athleticism obsessed types realize. If you don’t a have a lot of reps in the pocket already, there’s only so much you’re going to improve by the time you reach the NFL, with one important caveat – if you’re willing/able to sit for 3 or so years and learn primarily on the practice field without getting the snot knocked out of you by professional defenses, you can possibly improve a great deal. But there appears to be natural variation in the ability, too; I’m not sure that many QBs given a whole lifetime would have the pattern recognition that Peyton has had for most of his career.
The problem I have with that thinking is we’re talking about taking the guy in round one or two. We’re not talking about a position where athleticism and physical talent trumps all either. QB is the most mentally demanding position in all of football, yet people are on board with taking a guy who hasn’t learned to get past his first read. If we were talking about taking him in the fourth or later, sure, no problem taking a flyer on a physically talented guy who hasn’t shown he can put it together between the ears. Good coaching might allow him to develop into a player. Taking him as a first rounder indicates you know he will develop. I just don’t see that with Hundley.
“Taking him as a first rounder indicates you know he will develop. I just don’t see that with Hundley.” Agree but that’s why you interview and due diligence on guys. Hard to form an opinion so early. I’m sure the eagles will work him out and see what they think.
Eeeh, Geno Smith fell for pretty much the same reason Bridgewater did, and by the revealed NFL arm and athleticism compared to college tape, he wasn’t really a second rounder. Mariota and Smith were not completely similar QBs in college, but their results were pretty similar passing-wise. You only find out about the problems that Geno and Andrew Luck share (Luck to a lesser extent) after you throw them into the fire. The same will be true, thinking of Mariota.
My feeling is that Mariota will drop to around where Tannehill got picked, 5-10th pick.
I think that teams have gotten steadily burned the last few years trying to overdraft guys like Blake Bortles, and Lovie had a courtside seat to Bortles, and microscopic view of Mike Glennon. I don’t think Tampa has the luxury of playing games, and will probably pick Winston.
I am not enthusiastic about Hundley, but as with EJ Manuel, when I was discussing him two years ago–every QB with NFL arm and NFL size and not a complete lack of sense on the field will be picked in the first fifty picks. I understand why the Eagles may want Hundley, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Hundley is picked before the Eagles have a chance. This draft is looking to me like an overall weak draft, and teams may be aggressive about getting meaningful talent.
If the Eagles take any QB in the first round, I will take a sabbatical from all social niceties. That would seriously drop my interest in what that organization does.
Skins make the LB coach of the Chargers their DC? Did I just read that correctly?
Fangio went to Chicago so that’s all that was left. O-happy day.
Interesting that Chi- went from being a defensive team, to an offensive team with trestman now back to a heavily D oriented team (FOx/Fangio). I don’t know if they have any talent left on that side of the ball that’s under 30.
You forgot Kyle Fuller!
That defense is a mess right now,,but as a die hard fan of defensive football, id be excited to have Fox and Fangio if I had a defense that needs fixing… Decent pieces on offense, did they announce the OC yet? Getting the RIGHT OC, becomes very important for them. The OC has to mold what’s in place, while the additions are coming on the defensive side…
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FINALLY some INTEL!!!
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Senior bowl measurements:
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Mitchell’s Sammie Coates 6’1 3/4, 213lbs… he is 12lbs heavier than auburn lists him. But displays a “cut upper body” and has 33 1/2 arms which are very long for a WR
Dany Shelton NT Washington
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6’1 3/4, 343lbs…. Mike Mayock compares him to Haloti Ngata and expects him to be top 15 pick…
RB Ameer Abdulah Nebraska
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5’8 1/4, 198lbs….tony Pauline said he looked like a “Mr universe contestant” with how cut and fit he looked…
Shane Ray OLB/DE Mizzou
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6’3, 245lbs…
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Pauline is saying Falcons love him for Dan Quins Leo Role…. You can bet Atlanta is drafting an edge rusher in round 1
DBs or bust lol
We need 6′ or taller with 4ft arms
Bring on Trae Waynes or Jalen Collins please!!!
Collins is my guy at CB!!! Yes please
Yea I’m a big fan of his. He has the height and with his frame he can afford to put on about 10 lbs to really be a beast.
Shhiiiiiiiit Super Bowl giants proved that if you have enough pass rushers, your corners don’t even matter lol… I can’t even remember the SB winning corners of the Giants,,…. But in not in love with Ray
Really curious to see Tevin Coleman from Indiana measurements. College list him at 6’1 210 but the kid looks massive and is just a baller. Would love him in our system.
If only Abdulah had a second gear..
That would be a very scary good d-line.
SCARY!!! We can easily let the two kendrick brothers fly around behind that DL and not worry about lack of big Thumper ILB
Be great to have an “LOB esque” DLine / Front 7. I think the DL is starting to get some swag. We just need one guy (maybe that’s Cox) to be a leader and get that unit “turnt up”.
Cox is def that guy…
Logan at DE.. I like it bro!
He led all NT in tackles, while anchoring a stout run defense and even pressured QBs a bit…loved his lateral ability to defend zone stretch runs that we face a few times this year…. Logan doesn’t have to move to DE. He can be more than good at NT for us… But if you have a chance to add a special 340lb who can move, you definitely take advantage, stick Logan at DE, and try to get draft picks for Vinny Curry And Ced Thornton since you have Hart and Beau on the bench.
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If it were up to me, and I see Danny Shelton is still available at 20, I don’t care who else is available, that’s a no BRAINER as far as I’m concerned…We really become tôugh in the trenches with a behemoth like that kid,… And this is coming from someone who values Logan at NT and didn’t buy the Louis Nix bullshit last year….Shelton is special, different type of Beast then soft Nix…
Can never go wrong building up either side of the trenches.
Truth….its not sexy, but can never complain about spending first round picks on the trenches…. I don’t believe in devaluing any position the way andy did with linebackers. Any position can be a big weapon if the player is good enough..
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But if you are weak in the trenches, it’s extremely hard to overcome no matter how great the other players are
I’m with you I am a huge advocate of not having enough quality players on the offensive and defensive lines. Sexy or not that’s where it all starts.
If you dominate you opponent in the trenches… Really doesn’t matter who the QBs are, who the RBs, who has the better WRs… Odds are you will win the game
Haloti Ngata?
How ’bout Frigidaire Perry?
Physically a beast but very inconsistent hands, dropped way too many passes.
his blocking and character should pass eagle scrutiny… Them long arms HELP.
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Catching can be improved on. Like him, don’t completely LOVE him, but I def think he will be on the Eagles big board… Stylistically not a bad blocking replacement for coop, and can be the deep threat we need opposite of Maclin… Not my fav WR, but far from my least favorite
Oh I agree, I am definitely not writing him off because of the drops. Anyone is an upgrade over Riley.
isn’t that why we don’t like Riley? Though i also have no clue whether Riley actually gets open consistently either.
Yea but Riley also has no YAC whatsoever. Coates at the least has the ability to get yards after catch.
Riley gets open?
I am not sure if I still buy this ‘catching can be improved’ argument. I think it’s 60% natural instincts / skills. TO for instance kept dropping balls his whole career.
Yea but you can’t compare to TO because you can drop balls if you have scored 153 career tds
could you imagine if SEA hadn’t cut him.
Got you. Didn’t say that Coates has bust written all over him because of that. I just think hands are being underrated a little
Yea I hear ya on that one brother. I do think inconsistent hands are fixable to and extent kind of like fumbling is fixable. Honestly we’ll get an answer the that next year when we see if Huff fixed his drop problem.
If catching can’t Be improved, someone should tell the thousands of players each year who spend hours and hours working on JUG Machines… You should go tell all the football teams from college to NFL level that JUG machines are a waste of money and are just one big scam…lol
It certainly can be improved. However people with a knack of dropping balls already at the college/high school level will most likely never become the Cris Carters of the NFL.
As long as Im staring at Riley friggin Cooper, I’ll settle for a Kelvin Benjamin with “bad hands” before I worry about finding Chris Carter,,,,,, tired of thisbullsht it notion that only the prospects that go into the NFL with great hands become great WRs…..as if Chris craters grow on trees and we can find 10 in every draft…. ODB cost a 12 pick.. Sorry, we are too good to ever pick #12, so the WR you get isnt going to be rated 99 in every category
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I want a Great WR…I don’t give a shit about the specifics..,, TO, Chris Charter, Jerry Rice…any will do… When I have two great WRs, then Ill start getting picky and go look for Marvin Harrison, or Randy Moss
You can improve focus, but guys like TO will always have stiff hands. Even guys who have butter soft hands drop passes. It’s as much about focus as it is natural ability, but soft hands undeniably help.
Yup.
I’ve seen him make his share of catches too.
I could talk myself into liking Brett Hundley in Round 1. Probably more indicative of Randall Cunningham’s stardom during my formative years than anything though.
In other news:
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Utah CB/S Eric Rowe has a meeting scheduled with Chip Kelly and Bill Davis.
Hundley in round 1 is just too early based of his collegiate career, I hope we don’t pull the trigger that early. As for Rowe the kid was very solid when playing safety and the only reason he moved to CB was because Utah lost there best CB to the draft last year. Boy this versatility thing is getting out of hand. Can we just get a guy that is really good as a CB and one that is really good at safety instead of a guy who is just solid at 3 different positions.
any measurements available?
also, 4th year senior or 5th year senior?
6’1, 201 lbs. 4th year senior. Played safety for 3 years then moved to corner senior year to offset the loss of Keith McGill getting drafted.
I like him..
RE: Musgrave to Raiders
If Carr starts back peddling like crazy next year…. lol
so according to the news “rumor mills” we will trade for Mariotta (I guess our entire 2015 -2017 drafts) then looks like we will also trade our first 4 picks in 2018 to move back into the bottom of the first to get Hundley. In late rounds 2018 we will start upgrading the defensive backfield, etc. Just be patient.
Personally, I would feel better about this rumor if it were about Grayson or Petty. Those are the project QBs I think are better scheme fits for the Philly passing offense.
Pretty stink rumor if it was for those 2 QBs.. Eagles are reportedly willing to trade the farm to move back for Grayson or Petty sources aye? lol
I did hear Bryce Petty was one of Our most likely top QB targets.. And I trust the source more than anyone who has mentioned Martiotta or Hundley to date..
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Personally, don’t really care for any of them, so whatever
im in the market for a “source” … any sources out there for me to find a source?
Gotta meet the right girl 😉
pulling “source” chicks out on the town.. well played..
What can I say? I have far more confidence that one of those 2 could be successful in this offense than I do in Hundley. Now, if we were talking about Seattle, with a dominant defense and unstoppable running back, I’d say Hundley’s a great project. But the chances of him being the QB of a prolific scoring offense featuring significant passing yards I would put at around the same odds as Nick Foles being the NFL’s leading rusher at QB next year.
Agreed. Hundley sucks and is a total dead end as a passer. He’d suck in Seattle as well. He has zero chance of making a post snap read or passing the ball with the touch Wilson has.
Some thought on Tommys discussion ( excuses ) about Nate Allens career with the Eagles. Yes, Allen was injured early in his career, and yes i’m sure it took him a year to return to form. My issue is that the ” injury / wide nine ” ( excuses ) only go so far. What about the 2012, 2013 and the 2014 season ? How did he look for those seasons ? There are countless players in the NFL who have come back from much worse injuries, to have terrific careers. It is NO excuse. His issues ( post injury recovery ) are not injury related. He has NO heart. He has not improved his ( real time ) on the field ( awareness and play / scheme recognition ) skills. There is only one ( 1 ) thing to ” learn ” from the drafting of Nate Allen ….. they shouldn’t have done it. They should have drafted Earl Thomas. You DO NOT pass up on Earl Thomas ( a almost sure thing – ask Mike Mayock ) because you can get a better ” VALUE ” ( see – Howie Roseman – multiple picks – ala – batting average theory ) pick in the second round ( ie – Nate Allen. ) Enough with the ( value picks. ) Pick the ” Best Players Available ” ….. and if your not sure about it …. move up and go get your guy ( within reason – obviously. ) For those of you who will CRY ( revisionist history – yeah, now he wants Earl Thomas ) ….. wrong …. ( almost ) every Eagles fan was holding their breath hoping to hear ” Earl Thomas ” name called # 1 for the Eagles in the 2010 draft. So save it !
I know people like to bash on Howie but drafting a “speedball” DE in the 1st round is totally a Reid move.
Truth be told, if there is a DE and a Safety on the board with a similar grade, not uncommon to see the DE get drafted first….after all DE,LT and QB are valued a little above the rest…
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Doesn’t really matter…that drraft was ages ago, and you need two safeties to make a difference, even if we had drafted Earl Thomas, our safety position wouldnt have been set til this past yeàr when we would have finally signed Malcolm to pair with Earl Thomas….so we missed out on having our safety position set in 2014…. Sigń McCourty, and all is forgotten…the perfect MIRRORED safety compliment to former CB Malcolm Jenkins
I think somebody ( Reid / Roseman ) was doing ” speedballs ” when the 2010 and 2011 drafts were going on. Seriously.
Petty is my favorite QB in the entire draft this year. He will be another one of those ‘2nd-4th round’ success stories.
I don’t like any of these QBs… But I actually heard if we do go QB, he would be one of the high ones on our list
High like he smokes?
Lol. You ‘actually heard’ something again?! Oh boy I would really love to play mouse in your house.
“I’ll never tell” in my best Brittany Murphy psycho rip voice
You’re not “accurate.”
You have “selective memory.”
Lol muah
Exactly.
So if you are Brittany can I be Eminem then?!
He’s such a freaking joke, its unbelievable.
Too much heartbreak.
I’m waiting on Belichick’s review at SNB.
We’re on to Seattle.
In two weeks, no more excuses.
That’s a good football team.
We’re on to Seattle.
That’s one lucky to be getting a chance to repeat, no?
He needs a lot of work as a passer. He also has no experience under center. That’s not as big a deal in our offense as most, but still is a concern. I like him as a project, but it’s a roll of the dice as to whether he ever becomes anything.
Around the NFL News:
Ravens hire Marc Trestman as OC
Jaguars hire Doug Marronne as Asst Head Coach/OL Coach and Greg Olson(Oakland’s OC last year) as OC
Adam Gase still out there. I’d guess he ends up with Chicago.
I believe he has an interview with the 49ers for HC.
with Tomasula? for OC maybe, not HC…
whoops, I guess for OC.
maybe Gase is mad they passed him up for HC? might as well see what he can do with Cutty… in CHI
why isn’t Denver hiring Gase as HC? what’s their plan?
They hired Kubiak, Ellways former backup QB
oh! I haven’t been paying attention. Think Manning is done? That just means an easier path for the pats next year.
Peyton is a football junkie.. That dude is going to have to fail miserably before he is able to really walk away… I assume he will be back for ATleast 1 more year
So Marrone went from Bills HC to Jaguars assistant HC?! Boy that weather in buffalo must really suck…!
Buffalo can not negotiate contracts. Or Marronne has the best agent ever. Marronne who wasn’t exactly the A candidate 2 years ago(Kelly was) somehow got an opt-out clause(if Buffalo changed owners) that included him getting paid for the 2015 season withno offset language. That means that his salary with his new team, Jacksonville, is not offset against the $4M that Buffalo owes him. He must have really hated being in Buffalo.
After the horrible trade in the 1st round last year, I don’t blame him for wanting to get away from that situation. For all those complaining about fans dreaming about trading up for Mariota, at least with him you are talking about a once a generation perfect fit for the way we play offense. Bill’s made that kind of trade for a good WR. They did this in the deepest WR draft in recent memory. smh
Their GM is a completely unqualified dope.
I wonder if the Jaguars just hired their new coach for the 2016 season.
Definitely the interim HC after Gus Bradley’s canned during the season.
Also . . . is Dan Quinn the next Gus Bradley?
Shades of Howie hiring Chip…..
nice.
I’m a bit curious about the rush to only hire has-beens and coordinators this year. It’s not like college coaches have flamed out in the NFL recently. Marrone got Buffalo to 9-7, Kelly has done well. The only big flop was Schiano.
It seems like getting a proven program builder (even if it’s just college) isn’t the worst way to turn around a franchise…
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/01/eagles_are_going_to_try_to_move_up_for_oregon_quar.html
2015 going to be ‘Moby Dick’ with Kelly playing Capt. Ahab and Mariotta as the Whale? Who plays Ishmael though?
Source “familiar with the plans”? What the hell is that? That’s right up there with “familiar with the thinking of…”. If it’s somebody that works for the Eagles, then say so. Otherwise, it’s worthless garbage.
It was a lousy article and saw it got commented on earlier in this thread.
Any 1st round pick of a QB though by this team would be baffling for a couple of reasons
“”Can it happen?” he asked. “I don’t know. But they’re going to try.””
Seriously? This person is either not in the organization or not that close to the decision makers as Eckel wants you to believe.
Yeah cuz we ever hear accurate leaks out of Novacare….sigh
I want to know who queequeg is, or I guess any other harpooner (haven’t finished moby dick yet so no spoilers please) – wouldn’t that make them the GM?
Ishmael?
Why, Howie Roseman. The man’s a survivor. With stories to tell.
Eliot Shorr-Parks
@EliotShorrParks
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Kurtis Drummond, Michigan State safety, has already met with #Eagles and has plan to meet with them more tonight. #Eagles
Really like hearing that…everybody has us taking Waynes but Drummond is DB i want us to get from Michigan state. any combination of Kendricks, thompson, or paul dawson in the first..collins or rollins in the 2nd or 3rd. and Drummond will make me a happy man..jesus this time of the year goes by so slowly
Doesn’t exactly mean much…they will talk to 20 other safeties from now til the draft.
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Personally, I want devin McCourty so we don’t even have to spend a draft pick on a safety
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If we,get to the draft, and we still have a safety problem. I’ll be pissed
Tend to agree with you they’ll address Allen’s replacement via FA. Just won’t be McCourty but more a economical upgrade via Jenkins last year.
Is there a list of CB/S who are 26-28 and are prospective FA yet?
I’d keep allen – he led the team in picks(?), has gotten better ever year. He shouldn’t be starting, but he’s so cheap that he could come off the bench / rotation. Can’t have both safeties playing 1200snaps in 16 games.
Maybe that depends on Earl Wolff though.
I’d be really surprised if Wolff is back given what transpired with him last year.
Sad but probably true… Rahim, dEnver safety is like 24 or 25
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Our luck we may have a shot at the #1 safety prospect, in a year where the number 1 safety is a terrible scheme fit…teams PICKED on Landon Collins in coverage, remove him from eagkes draft board all together
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Like the 24-26 yr old 2nd tier safeties available much more than the corners… The corners That fit the age, size, character requirments are marginal upgrades if that, to the corners we have now…
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If we can get a safety who is a clear upgrade to Nate in free agency I’ll consider it a win…. Going to have to stock up on corners in the draft, which makes sense,…they clearly will want to draft corners instead of sigń them when we don’t have a single young outside corner already being groomed….where as we have a handful of 4th round young safeties to let compete at training camp already.
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Sigń the safety, draft the CB…. The Eagle 2015 blueprint…
I would be really frustrated/pissed if they only address CB though the draft. It would essentially leave them back to where they were last season with only a minor upgrade in the secondary at best. For all of the flak Allen too he wasn’t as horrible as Chung was 2 years ago and a 2nd-tier FA S isn’t that much of an upgrade.
They need to sign a FA CB to replace Fletcher and ideally draft another one to give them a bit more depth/push them.
Another real question to ask is if Kelly does draft a QB very high in this draft (not Mariotta but another QB) does that mean he thinks this team isn’t good enough to have a sustained playoff run?
I don’t expect to see Eagles fans be too happy with what happens at CB in free agency… Put it to you that way… Certainly love to be wrong
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I don’t buy the QB nonsense, so you are asking the wrong person
I am not expecting necessarily a huge name either but projecting a rookie/Carroll and Williams isn’t the answer either.
I’ll be as shocked if NE lets Mcourty leave as you will be if Cary’s cut.
Not a surprise. Drummond didn’t have the best year but he has the skillset that we want in our safeties.
May be fair to say by the draft . . .
“The Eagles have met with every S and CB eligible for the 2015 draft.”
I can’t take the national blowhards continuing to blow Zack Martin because he has a star on his helmet, the Dallas OL and rookie Zack Martin aren’t even the best OL and rookie OL In the NFC… dallas is a better run blocking OL, but overall, the GB Packers OL and their rookie Center were a better OL/rookie than the over rated Cowboys and the donkeys who over rate that hack team every year.
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Average pass blocking OL is the best OL in the NFL? Hope not, or the game has problems..
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Not sure what’s worse ODB or Zack Martin love in our division
ODB’s obsession is warranted and the kid was a damn highlight reel every other play. The love for Martin is definitely a little overboard. Yes he was really good for a rookie but I don’t know if he deserved a first team all pro nod. I guess we gotta get used to it tho since we’re going to be hearing about them on a regular basis on our division.
ODB will be the best WR in the league next year.
Any objective fan can see that ODB is a special, special talent, regardless of what team he plays on.
The kid is definitely gonna be a great one, but Eli is not going to be able to target him 20 times a game next year after everyone has a full year of tape on him. I am not knocking him cause he is a stud but I don’t think he will be doing the things he did on a weekly basis this year next year.
I don’t know . . . Jerry Rice kept catching lots of passes after his rookie year. From Montana and Young — but also guys like Jeff Kemp, Mike Moroski, and Jeff Garcia.
And the way the NFL’s rules work, it’s nearly flag football out there.
I know a rookie WR who’s related to Jerry and if he inherited his work ethic (looks like he did) he knows what it takes to WIN. Just like cousin Jerry
Matthews is gonna put up numbers and do ALL the little things right!
true statement of fact
Matthews is a lot stiffer than his cousin. I love his work ethic and he’s going to be a very good receiver, but he won’t ever be the natural receiver that Jerry was or ODB is.
Doesnt have to be but fact is he works hard can run fast needs to work on hands and will run/screen block like a TE. Jerry was never the most explosive WR
Jerry was much more explosive than he gets credit for. In an age where defenses were actually allowed to play, he put up video game numbers. Hated watching him cause he wasn’t on the Eagles, but won’t ever deny his talent or production.
I think Matthews is just as fast and Jerry was never the biggest or the fastest but he was def the BEST
Absolutely…but I don’t give a shit how great a player is, I don’t want to hear about Giats and Cowboys…ever,.. Going to be a very crappy experience watching us line up against ODB the next 7 years,… Hopefully we can just demolish teams in the trenches so that it doesn’t matter… Zack had a great year, but if you praise him, then you gotta respect the Packers rookie center is my issue… Not that Martin is praised, that the better packer rookie is overlooked
The second and third clauses are a fantastically concise declaration of what it means to be an Eagles fan.
Yeah, I love me some throw-disrupting quarterbacks. And Dawk II was on the board in ’10 when we went for baby T-Rex…
I spoke with Daniel Jeremiah (NFLN analyst, former Eagles West Coast scout 2010-12) at the East-West Shrine Game for a few minutes to get some of his Eagles-related thoughts. Nothing particularly mind-blowing as a lot of this intersects with stuff we all already know/think, but interesting nonetheless to get his take.
He believes that “Herremans is done” and needs to be replaced as a starter this offseason (probably the most surprising opinion he shared).
He said that the Eagles’ top offseason priorities should be a S, 2 CBs, and 2 OL (he thinks they need to add another good quality OL in addition to replacing Herremans [can Allen Barbre not be this guy? Or do they need an upgrade at primary backup interior lineman as well?]).
He doesn’t think the Eagles are optimally positioned for a safety at #20 in the draft (suggested this may need to come from elswhere/FA). He seems to think a safety to play opposite Malcolm Jenkins is the biggest need of all.
He intimated the Eagles may go secondary-heavy in the early and middle part of the draft.
Good Stuff
Nice!
Actual semi-insider info on the board. Very cool.
I’m actually not surprised about the Herremans news.
Ditto on Herremans.
Dope..thanks for sharing
Love to see the Eagles to pull a ‘rope a dope’ and address the secondary via FA and go heavy on OL/offense in the draft early instead including looking for McCoy’s replacement.
If T.J. Clemmings is there at 20, he’d be perfect as an immediate replacement for Herremanns. He can shift to RT down the road when Johnson takes over LT.
DF3B has been a proponent of Sambraillo as well.
(I think, don’t want to put words in his mouth)
Both are written up and will come out next week.
He’s not kidding with 2OL. The coaches fluffed their backup guys all camp long and those dudes SUCKED when they saw game action in the regular season. The depth on the o-line was nonexistent this year.
to be fair barbre, the main backup, was injured as well. but agree.
Yeah, that didn’t help. But Gardner and Tobin were also fluffed all pre-season and didn’t produce when asked to do so.
Yeah Tobin also.
Both actually played extremely well in the preseason. Both got exposed when asked to matchup against ones during the regular season. It happens.
It feels kind of weird to be disappointed with the performance of a backup who has never really played NFL snaps, but that’s what happened with me in regard to Molk and Gardner — and precisely for the reason you listed (we heard all training camp about how great the 2nd team OL was — Kelce saying they were outplaying the 1st team, etc.)
Yeah, those guys were totally set up to fail by that level of commentary.
Daniel Jeremiah should get the personnel director job lol. I think he’s pretty good at evaluating the Eagles.
where is SteveH. I think Morgan Burnett really might have scored here. They guy in the box is Peppers, telling him to slide. ok, maybe not scored but likely gets close to FG range. I can’t believe how conservative the Packers played.
how do I post a picture?
ok go here and scroll down for the screen shot:
http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2015/01/20/cristiano-ronaldo-rare-photos
here it is
it isn’t like anyone is right behind Morgan and about to punch the ball out either.
Maybe they can’t tell time??? Its kinda possible
I was looking at QBs a few months ago and I didn’t like Hundley for an Eagles first or second round pick. Reaching for a QB based on need is almost always a disaster. Foles, Barkley, Sanchez, and yes, Kinne seem to have much more between the ears, and it’s better to grab a stopgap than reach.
The QB in this draft I think will succeed in the NFL, other than Mariota? Garrett Grayson.
Yeah Kelly won’t take someone who can’t process information quickly, even if they are athletic. Look at all the guys he’s looked at, smart dudes and Vick who was a super athlete.
with zero between his ears
That said, aside from Vick being so turnover prone we were killing people in those first 5 games. Where’s a RW when you need him?
rw?
Seattle.
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
1m1 minute ago
Bears considering handful of OC candidates, including Charlie Weis, SF’s Geep
Chryst, DET’s Jim Bob Cooter, DEN’s Adam Gase. Weis intriguing
Outside of Gase, those aren’t inspiring candidates. I think the Bears told Fox “This is your coaching budget” and he’s paying a ton for Fangio and has to go cheap with the OC.
Also just not that much out there. Though surprising Fox / Gase weren’t a packaged deal.
BLG website putting in work today: Ed Marynowitz said he hasn’t interviewed for #Eagles “GM” opening. Don’t know if he was being modest, but said he didn’t expect to get one.
Ran into Tom Gamble at local coffee shop. Didn’t wanna talk Eagles.
Interesting: Had just wrapped up a long talk with 49ers GM Trent Baalke.
–Stolen from Twitter.
“Chip Kelly and Bill O’Brien overheard making fun of another NFL team. Which one was it? Click link to find out”
I wish I was making that up, but that’s an actual tweet from them today.
yeah i saw it, i was trying to be discerning. Everyone’s gotta make $$?
I’m just waiting for them to release “The top 10 most Chip Kelly faces of all time!” and “14 times the offensive line were just super silly on twitter!” or “Is Billy Davis an actual poopyhead? You voted we decided!”
No vote needed. Everybody knows Billy Davis would release excrement from his cracked cranium once dropped from the top of a very tall building.
NY Giants for sure. F them.
Also the same guy that said the vacancy is taking awhile because either a) Chip’s going back to college or b) Roseman has too much power.
I guess “c” they haven’t found who they wanted yet doesn’t factor in.
New “GM” or Director of Player Personnel Candidate?
Mike Triplett
@MikeTriplett
3m3 minutes ago
Longtime #Saints college scouting director Rick Reiprish has been let go, he said. GM Mickey Loomis told him today. Said he was surprised.
I’ve read that he’s highly regarded and it was assumed he would take over for Pace. New Orleans has been reported to be bringing in Jeff Ireland to their front office but I’d thought it’d be in an advisory role, not to take over. Loomis forced out Rick Mueller in the day. Classic salary cap guy versus “football” guy power struggle. Reiprish could join Pace in Chicago but the Bears already hired another of NO’s scouts, Josh Lucas, as director of player personnel.
Interesting — Nola is pretty good at getting UDFA talent i heard.
and letting us pick up good players at burnout prices
He was their college scouting director so I don’t think he deserves blame there.
Whos blaming lol? I say bring him in if he’s the guy maybe we will get even more talented former Saints at bargain prices
Saints organization is dirty, Loomis just fired him “apparently without waring” while dude was in Mobile. Dude spent 10 years with the saints.
spotted talking to Kelly?
It just happened noon today.
Jeff Ireland is a moron
What, you ask one guy about his mom turning tricks and all of a sudden people think you’re stupid.
Gase for QB coach
Get used to tweets like this:
Michael Tanier @MikeTanier 3m3 minutes agoFairhope, AL
Coates from Auburn great double move to get deep… then drop
Hello “do not draft” list.
Man, you sure do have a vendetta lol.
I know! I can’t help it.
I mean, if its that bad of a problem, I will admit, I don’t want him either. His RAC potential is ridiculous but we have enough guys who have trouble catching. However, if he falls to the 20th pick in the 2nd, I’d take him.
He has a major problem with drops.
I love guys that are natural pass catchers. Jordan Matthews drives me nuts because he isnt a natural catcher. He drops too many balls. I dont think I could take 2 guys like that on this team. That is also why I take Devin smith 10 times out of 10 over coats.
I agree and would have rather had Coates than Matthews. O well I guess.
Are you gonna take him in the first? He won’t last till our second pick.
NO NO NO NO NO NO on Hundley. NO
Eliot Shorr-Parks
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Denzel Perryman, Miami ILB, meeting with the #Eagles tonight
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Cody Prewitt, Ole Miss safety, says he already met with #Eagles
Did that 3 named loser also publish any gang tie information today?
You are giving this poor excuse for a gossiping bitch of a man, way more exposure than he is worth 😉 lol like the MKSP of the local media LOL
I don’t care about Parks, I care about the info.
Half of his crap is a fairy tale
News Flash:
Eagles meet with every ILB, CB, S, OL, QB, DL, OLB, WR, RB at Senior Bowl.
wtf!! No punter????
Nick Foles turned 26 today
^^^^right Denver to acquire Foles for a 1st do u do it?
Are you high? The 3rd best young QB in the NFL is invaluable..
If there is anyone i know that is the ultimate Foles fan it is you hands down.. Not once have i seen you change your mind otherwise.. If Eagles draft Mariota or even trade Foles i would hate to be around your household during that time lol
I love reading Geagle’s stuff. I don’t always agree with him, but enjoy his takes. Geagle, I say this with love, but you make the most proclamation of stuff you ‘know’ this side of Rex Ryan. Me, I’d love to be at your house if the Eagles trade up for Mariota or take Hundley in the 1st, if only to watch your head explode. I say this as a Nick fan, by the way, who nonetheless would love to see us get our hands on Mariota. Hundley, I’d just as soon never see in Eagles green, let alone in the 1st round.
Yeah just for some reason i think this will happen lol
http://youtu.be/G1mGzaDh0M8
would love to have a draft party
Just a realist, get me a better sure shot and I’ll gladly talk about upgrading, the bullshit flavor of the week doeamt interest me… 90% of the QBs drafted in round 1 of the past decade arent better then Foles, excuse me if I don’t just blow the next sexy QB everyone gushes over in college.
I was just trying to get u going. We won’t be trading foles…….
Campbell’s article with the Hundley info/rumor also included this:
“If the Eagles decide to target a quarterback early in the draft, they
could have a valuable trade commodity in signal-caller Nick Foles. The
Texans and Titans would both have an interest in Foles if he were made
available. If Peyton Manning decides to retire, the Broncos would also
be a team that would look into acquiring Foles. Denver liked Foles when
it drafted Brock Osweiler. If the Eagles wanted to trade up for Marcus
Mariota, they could deal Foles to get more ammo with picks to move up,
or include Foles in the package.”
I’ve been talking about the Texans fit for a while. I really think its the perfect landing spot for Nick.
MAYBE THATS WHAT CHIP AND BILL O’BRIEN WERE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
2015 2nd + 2015 4th + 2016 2nd
Get it done Chip.
Who starts if Foles is gone?
Throw Mariota / Hundley to the wolves baby.
I don’t see us having enough ammo for Mariota. Even if we did, he need to sit a year to learn NFL passing concepts.
Hundley is a massive turd who I want no parts of on this team.
I think Mariota is a smart kid, who will figure it out. Chip will put him in position to utilize his strengths, including his athleticism.
Trading Nick should give us enough ammo to get Mariota.
Russell Wilson was pretty successful as a rookie.
Like I said below, I could talk myself into Hundley. I’d rather not. But I could.
Russell Wilson is such a unique combination of arm skill and intelligence, I’d hate to demand Mariota come in here and win as many games. If Mariota can demonstrate the ability to know when not to run and to only run as a last resort as Wilson does, that would bode well. I’m just not sure if that is fair to ask from him.
And I could never talk myself into Hundley. He’s too stupid to be successful in the NFL as a QB.
marriotta will take one hit from a linebacker and figure out when to run and when not to
Good thing Mariota has Samoan in him.. Hits are good for the body we say lol
If RW was two inches taller, he’d have been a sure fire 1st round pick. He probably doesn’t make it out of the top 10. Credit the Seahawks for looking beyond that and Wilson for making the most of his talent.
if we had a defense like that we wouldn’t need mariotta or even foles.
we’d win with barkely
I’d live with Mariota learning under fire here. Would he be as good as Foles at his best? Probably not, but he’ll be much better than Sanchize was at the end of the season. I don’t know anything about Hundley personally, but his on the field stuff scares the shit out of me. He’s strictly a one-read and run guy at this point.
Mariota’s athleticism alone would make him better than Foles at his best.
Forget everything Chip says publicly, having an athletic quarterback is absolutely beneficial to his scheme.
Just a reminder –
Greg Cosell, who knows more about quarterbacks than this entire board combined, on Nick Foles:
“I think if you look at Foles the player, what you likely see is this: He’s got a good arm but not a gun; he’s not a power thrower, not a drive thrower,” said Cosell to Birds 24/7. “He’s a little more of a finesse thrower than a drive thrower. He does not have quick feet. There is no quick-twitch to his movement. There’s no explosive lower-body movement to him. When you look at Foles, I think what you see is a quarterback that needs the system to work for him and provide defined reads and good throws with the route concepts, just the whole system. He needs the system to work for him…”
Cosell is excellent and has provided a blueprint for what Foles needs to improve in his footwork.
I love Mariota, but he’s not nearly as skilled a passer as Nick is. I believe Chip when he says passing first, athleticism is icing. Having an athletic QB definitely makes our running game more effective, but if he can’t operate as a passer, I’m not interested.
I think Mariota could develop those increased passing skills if he had a year to watch and learn.
I think he could learn on the job. Again, he’s probably as good as Sanchez now with a true understanding of how to run the R/O and the athleticism to extend plays regularly. The fumbling habit worries me a bit.
I just don’t know where this idea that Nick is a skilled passer comes from.
He completed less than 60% of his passes this year.
Everyone wants to blame the offensive line problems and not entertain the idea that after a year of film on him, NFL defenses knew how to neutralize Nick.
Nick can make every throw in any NFL offense. I respectfully disagree with Cosell’s take on Nick. I’ve seen him drive the out as well as throw with touch. This season, his mechanics broke down and his worst habit (drifting away from line of scrimage) was a major problem. He is still young and has gotten as much or more out of his talent as the other young QBs (Luck and Wilson come to mind) but his ceiling is lower. I’m not in Geagle’s camp where I think he’s the greatest thing to happen to the Eagles, but I do like him as a young QB. Considering that other teams value him enough for him to be a trade chip, clearly they agree with me.
This is a totally fair and reasoned take. I personally disagree. I was high on Nick coming into this year, but I fear his regression was the result of NFL defenses taking the things he can do away from him, leaving him with his lead feet and inaccurate intermediate-to-deep ball in the pocket.
Remember Alex Smith got traded for two 2nds.
Different teams value QBs differently.
Biggest change teams made this year in defending Chip was staying in base against their 3 WR sets.
wonder why that is? better run stopping? Less scared of being scorched over the top? (To be fair we threw for a lot of yards)
ya slow down the run. teams never really adjusted to Chip running so much in 3 WR sets in 2013. They just stayed in nickel all year. McCoy gained 1155 of his 1607 yds out of that set. This also really helped Foles since it kept them out of 3rd and long so much and they just destroyed teams with play action all year (Foles had 134 QB rating off play action / 2nd in NFL).
and most schemes at that
Which is exactly why he drafted Barkley, and signed Sanchez, and kept Foles as the starter even after Vick was healthy: athleticism is everything at QB in his scheme. Chip just doesn’t know it yet.
Sanchez was an easy call to backup Nick.
Matt Barkley was and is a head-scratcher, but I honestly think that was an attempt by Chip and Howie to get cute and pull a Patriots style “draft a QB late, then flip him for a higher pick 1-2 years later” maneuver that has quickly backfired.
Look, we’ll see. 2015 will be a referendum on Chip, QBs, and Nick Foles.
But neither Sanchez or Barkley are remotely athletic. And if the system needs an athletic QB to be successful, it was really stupid to think that Barkley would shine enough to attract a significant trade offer, considering he was a 4th rounder to begin with; and this on a team with plenty of holes that needed to be filled immediately on the roster. That theory just doesn’t hold any water for me.
I agree that this offseason will be a referendum on the position, and honestly, won’t be surprised if Chip does draft a QB 4th or higher this year. I do credit what he says about what’s important in a QB for a system – it’s apparent on the field.
Chip first wants a guy that can process information quickly. He’s on record saying Mariota has a Peyton Manning like mind. Second Athletciism, it’s not even close. You see what MS’s rollouts did to defenses, if he could have only run the RO as well.
Sanchez drove me crazy with his lack of understanding of how to run the R/O. Also, Sanchez is a better athlete than he gets credit for.
So true on Hundley. I cannot stomach a read one and run guy.
I think him running would help
2015 2nd + 2015 4th + 2016 2nd
To move up from #20 ALL THE WAY to…#16?!
No, sorry. For Nick Foles.
Texans trade us their 2015 2nd and 2015 4th and 2016 2nd for Nick Foles.
Now it sense makes some. 🙂
That deal feels a bit generous. I recognize you’re using the Alex Smith framework but Smith was more of a known quantity at that point. He had gone 30TD-10INT over the previous 18 months and had come an overtime away from taking his team to the Superbowl.
Also, you have to consider Nick’s inability to stay healthy if you are thinking about trading for him. I know some want to excuse his injuries as flukes, but he’s yet to make it through a season healthy. He hasn’t gotten close to playing 16 games in a season.
If you had your choice to start next season for the Beags, Alex Smith or Nick Foles, in a pure talent hypothetical with no contract talk or anything who would you pick.
Just curious as I like your scouting reports.
And I am bored.
Is this going forward or is next year the final season?
Going forward Nick still has more upside and potential.
Gun to my head? Win the SuperBowl or aliens blow up the planet(jerks)?
Probably Alex Smith. Better mobility. More experience. Hope Chip can implement enough quick WCO to make it work with SMith’s arm.
Yeah, and I don’t disagree at all. With that said:
Nick is on a better contract I think, in that he still has two years on his rookie deal as a 3rd round pick.
And he’s shown that he can be more than a “game manager”, though one’s mileage may vary here.
But overall, yeah I’d take a lesser package.
He has one year left. A team is trading for a one year look.
Smith was actually in year two of a three year 24 million deal.
That’s right, not sure why I though the had two years left.
Patriots in the super bowl, Zelda 3ds sold out, Sea hawks in the super bowl, Oregon loss. Last week sucked let’s not add any Hundley in the first nonsense on top.
Wow, way to sum up how much this weekend sucked. I’d love Hundley if we grabbed him as a developmental project in the 4th or later. I’ve got no interest at all before then.
Honestly I could even live with Hundley in the 2nd or 3rd maybe but in the first I have a seriously problem
He has no clue how to read an NFL defense. He can barely read a college defense. I’m sorry, but no, I’m not interested unless he’s a future’s project. First through third rounds for me are for people I expect to be able to contribute in the next two years.
I like Petty more , you’re drafting Hundley purely on upside, he can’t play this year, probably can’t play next year either
Me too on Petty. Even with him, I’d rather wait as he needs to develop as a passer to play at the pro level.
If Adam Gase doesn’t get the Bears OC job, do we throw $$ at him to be our QB coach? Guy worked with Peyton for 3 years…gotta have some relevant stuff to say to Foles.
Can’t see it
think he sits out until next year?
thinking that, too.
but you’d think some HC will bring him in as an “offensive consultant” or something like that. Even at $500K, he’d be inexpensive in the NFL world.
yeah that’s what i was thinking could happen here– give him a decent title, some $$. He can be involved with a highly productive offense. I guess the real question is whether he can teach mechanics, etc.
That said Gase could be a better OC than Shurmer…
I can’t see him not getting a single OC offer
If he’d agree to at least a 2-year deal and not to seek a HC job after 2015, maybe it’s worth a shot.
Belichick’s explained that at the QB-coach position, you get either an older guy on the way down or a young guy on the way up.
Gase is in the middle. And how much of his success in Denver is spelled M-A-N-N-I-N-G is unclear.
Strikes me that Gase will want an OC job somewhere.
I think Musgrave qualified last year as an older guy on the way down and he only lasted a year.
I’d try if I were the Eagles but besides the Bears, the Rams and Browns need OCs. As quick as the Browns cycle through OCs, I might pick the Eagles’ QB job ahead of it, but if the Rams offer him the OC job I think he takes it.
F me, I didn’t know that:
[The Walton family is among the richest families in the world. Their wealth inherited from Bud and Sam Walton, founders of the world’s largest retailer, Walmart.[1] The three most prominent living members (Jim, Rob and Alice) have consistently been in the top ten of the Forbes 400 since 2001, as were John(d. 2005) and Helen (d. 2007) prior to their deaths. Christy Walton took her husband John’s place after his death.
Collectively, the Waltons own over 50% of the company, and are worth a combined total of $174 billion (as of January 2015).[2] In 2010, six members of the Walton family had the same net worth as either the bottom 28% or 41% of American families combined (depending on how it is counted).]
When I was watching them on TV years and Years ago as a kid, I didn’t know that a) they were a real family and b) would own more than 40% of the population of the States.
Oh and Stan Kroenke is married into the family
Kroenke who independent of his wife’s vast personal fortune owns the Nuggets, Avalanche, Rams, and Arsenal FC.
What do they say?! The rich get richer. Almost like the Patriots…
can’t tell if you’re joking or not
No, I was not. Shame on ze clueless German.
but you are kidding about the old TV show right? that has nothing to do with the Walton family that founded Wal Mart.
Well, thank you sir. Just double checked with Google and as it looks like I shouldn’t always trust what the wife says. Lol.
Completely off topic, but remember me banging on about how stupid it was for Morgan Burnett to victory slide after his interception with 5:00 to go? There has been some debate (ACViking) about whether or not you could “fault” him for that and how much actual room he had to operate.
Well, here you go folks. This is why it was the most fucking stupid play of the entire game when he decided the game was over but it wasn’t:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/greg-cosell-s-film-review–how-the-seahawks-came-back-212801747.html
And at least one person agrees with me. “That was the biggest play in the game. It helped set in motion Seattle’s comeback…”
What Burnett did was the equivalent of a distance runner slowing down and raising his hands in celebration 10 yards in front of the finish line, just to see the guy run behind him slip by at the last moment.
HOWEVER, the big caveat here, and what likely saves Burnett in the eyes of many is that Julius goddamn Peppers was telling him to go down for some reason. WHY JULIUS, WHY? YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO BE A SMART VETERAN!
I still think Burnett should have ignored him and kept going but… I guess he’s at least partially off the hook for that mistake.
I posted the screen shot earlier down below, was looking for you.
I think both Burnett and Peppers are just huge Brian Westbrook fans.
Hard to say. What he runs and fumbles. He did the safest thing. Slide and give it to Aaron Rodgers.
Fair presentation
Kalusner on BGN says Bama’s QB Blake Sims would fit the EAgles well. Thoughts?
I’m only interested if it’s Phil Sims’ son.
Not me. Don’t want either.
Should have used a 😉
I’m only interested if he is Jeff Blake’s son.
As what? a water boy?
I never agree with Klausner. Sims isn’t a good QB.
[…] Hot For Hundley? – Iggles BlitzI am still not sure what to make of Hundley. He has the potential to be a very good NFL starter, but you have no idea if he’ll ever come close to realizing that potential. The mental part of the game is his biggest weakness…and we’re talking about college football. Things get much harder in the NFL. Interviews are going to be critical for him. Hundley is going to have to sell some team that he can learn and will work his butt off to become a good NFL QB. If you could draft him with a mid-round pick, Hundley would be a no-brainer (which would be fine even if he turned out to be a no-brainer). The problem is that a guy with his physical potential won’t last that long. EJ Manuel wasn’t nearly as good as Hundley and went in the mid-1st. I doubt he makes it out of the 2nd round, if he falls that far. […]
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Born and raised Birds fan.30 years in LA. Stay away from Hundley.You haven’t seen the whole season. Sucks.The last time I warned my fellow Phila fans was before the Sixers picked up Andrew Bynum. Hundley is a year long project at the very best.