Some Free Agent Talk
Posted: February 28th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 341 Comments »We have a little bit more than a week until free agency starts. Obviously the key in-house name for the Eagles is Jeremy Maclin. He just had a career year and showed that he is a good fit for Chip Kelly’s offense. The Eagles are talking to him and agent Tom Condon, hoping to work out a deal. The team can use the franchise tag if they can’t work out a deal.
There is optimism that the deal will get done. Still, we’ve been down this road before. You can’t really relax until the signature is on the paper and the deal is done.
The Eagles had a charity event today and Maclin took part in the event. That sure feels like a good sign. Les Bowen was there and has some good quotes.
“I’ve always said I want to be here in Philadelphia, but I’ve also always said I understand it’s a business,” Maclin said Saturday, following an appearance on behalf of the team at the Thomas Jefferson University Hospital Heart Health Day, in front of Lord & Taylor at the King of Prussia Mall. “Both sides have made it known that we both want each other back, so the rest of it is in God’s hands. If it’s supposed to happen, it’ll happen. I want to be here.”
Monday is the deadline for the Eagles to ensure Maclin returns by sticking the franchise tag on the team’s 2014 top receiver. Maclin said he had no idea if that would happen, and said he didn’t know until a reporter told him that the franchise figure for a wideout would be about $12.8 million for 2015. If that hasn’t been part of discussions, and if Maclin hasn’t even talked over the ramfications of the tag with his agent, Tom Condon — it all makes the tag seem unlikely.
The tag might not be an attractive option for the team because all the money would count toward the 2015 cap, using up about half the current available room, before free agent shopping starts.
I expect a deal. I don’t think Maclin is delusional and thinks he is worth megabucks. And the Eagles will usually pay good money to a player they feel is worth it.
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Jimmy Bama and I were talking on the phone the other night. After a lengthy argument over whether Funyuns go better with red wine or white wine, we shifted the talk to free agency. Both of us feel that the Eagles essentially have to sign CB Byron Maxwell. In fact, we almost take it for a given that they will.
This isn’t a case of inside information. Rather, the Eagles are desperate for corner help and Maxwell is the top guy on the market. He also fits the scheme and comes from a winning organization.
Maxwell feels like a player the Eagles must get.
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There is also a strong chance the Eagles will go after a Safety in free agency. Bo Wulf and Greg Cosell took a look at the top candidates for PE.com.
We’d all love Devin McCourty, but I just don’t see the Pats letting him hit the market. The player I would like is Rahim Moore from Denver. He is a centerfielder type, which is what I think the Eagles need.
The Eagles love to talk about interchangeable Safeties. They may prefer Marcus Gilchrist of the Chargers. He can play in the box or in the slot, but isn’t as natural downfield. I loved him coming out of Clemson so I’d be fine with adding him as well.
I haven’t watched tape of Da’Norris Searcy or Tyvon Branch yet.
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Lots more FA talk to come.
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Still not sure the Eagles will be able and willing to trade what it takes to get Mariota, but I think they will splurge on free agents to cover their needs just in case they do. Would not be surprised by two new cornerbacks (Maxwell and ?), a safety (Moore), an OLB (Worilds), and a guard (Orlando Franklin?). There might not be any high draft picks the next two years, so now is the time to stock up on talent to get the Eagles through that time.
I don’t know, if they spend that money on D and resign Maclin I doubt they could afford Franklin. I think Oline will be addressed early in draft with a lower level G in FA.
starting to worry that they wont sign any free agent guard and go into the season assuming Barbre or Tobin can start if the OL we draft isnt ready to start in september… I pray i am wrong.
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dont care how many bigger holes we have, if you were to tell me i can spend 40 mil but only upgrade 1 position, it would easily be the Guard…. im a die hard fan of defensive football, but as long as chip is our coach, his offense put alot of pressure on my beloved Defense… so until the OL get right, so it can stop going 3 AND out in 26 seconds, no improvement to my defense will matter until chip gets his offense going and stop putting pressure on the defense and IMO there is no better way to improve an offense then to improve the OL… improving the OL indirectly improves my beloved defense…
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Id love to call up the Bears that have alot of rebulding to do with new coach and offer them the #20th pick in the draft and a 5th rounder for Kyle Long!!!
Oline means a lot to Chip. We witnessed first hand what happens with the backups we have going in the game. Without adding a starting caliber G this line is in worse position then the start of last season. God forbid an injury happens. I can’t see Chip being ignorant enough to not address some type of recourse to it.
depends what they think about Tobin and Barbre… but i sure hope you are right…. its just if we pay for a good starting caliber Guard in Free agency, we will be paying a ton for our OL, i dont know too many teams that would be paying that type of expensive line..hopefully im not watching Barbre or Tobin start next to lane
yes but i worry that chip wont sign any free agent OL, count on Barbre or Tobin if need be, but then spend a few draft picks on OL…. which isnt the end of the world because guards have been able to perform as rookie… but i wish the OL was the strength of this team… and barbre/tobin and draft picks is risky business if tryin to build an elite OL
That would mean no Mariota. Btw I’m on the fence on whether to go after him.
Yeah, it would mean no MM. If it happens then ok. With the age of this Oline however I’m not a fan of getting him. How many times have we seen young QBs lose their confidence and get killed because of scrappy Oline play. If that line was as good as 2013s the 2014 season would be a completely different story on many levels.
dont believe the QB crap at all. as in, not even a little
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and to all the fans who drool over QBs with punt returner skills, you guys can just sign Vince Young, he can run fast and be your zone read QB.. why not sign Vince Young if all we judge QBs by in this fanbase is if they can run with the ball or not… Vince announced he is making a comeback, since we dont care about actual QB skills in this city, why not just sign Vince Young and we can just run Zone reads all game long..
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these running QBs are a joke,… when will people realize, THEY SUCK!! there arent any good running QBs in the NFL. Cam Newton wouldnt solve our QB problem, Kapernick is horrible passing and gong thru reads, RG3 is a stone cold bum.. there are no running QBs… its all a highlight mirage… the only “Running QB” worth a damn, russel wilson, barely ever even runs lol…and for russell Wilson to be successful he may be sorrounded with the best roster in the NFL
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these running QBs are good for a few highlights and thats it,.,, they dont actually win anything… out of the 3 loser Running QBs everyone over rates, Cam, RG3 and Kap, two of them have already been an injury mess getting all types of banged up… Kap is the only of the running bums who hasnt gotten hurt yet
“but when i try to interpret the situation, i cant help but view chip as
someone who is trying to promote his former QB and try to help him get
drafted as high as possible”
That’s the reason for all the love Chip is sending Mariotas way publically, imho.
But I wouldn’t rule out he’s still going for Mariota. Imho, Chip would think that no matter what he says, people will link MM to him and the Eagles. If he only gives a “forced” endorsement, so to speak, and he drafts him in the end, where does it help him?
I’m not saying we will draft up, I really have no clue what the plan is. We’ll get an idea when FA starts. If you really go all in on MM, you better be very active. Of course you can draft an ILB, CB and OG in the draft – later, but you still have picks, it’s not like you send all 8 picks for MM.
But the team has to be more or less ready to go after FA if you go after MM and win games in 2015. This means CB, S, OG, possibly OLB (depends on Cole and Graham), all FA signings. And I probably forgot a few positions. 😉
i agree… that dynamic is the only aspect thats throwing me off… its true, no matter what chip does he will be connected to the kid anyway, so i cant rule out this being the reason he is behaving the opposite of how you behave if there is a player you are dying to have who you will try to target…. normall you want to hide your intention as best as you can, this is different because there is nothing chip could do, short of signing foles to a big extension today that will make people stop connecting marriotta to him….. heck, chip signed 4 stiff QBs who run a 5.87 since joining the eagles and the running QB narrative still continues…… this is making it hard to read the true intentions… if there wasnt the added dynamic of being connected to this kid no matter what he says, i would be sooo confident that this isnt our coaches true intentions…. but if there is nothing he can do to get people to believe that he doesnt want MM, reading this situation becomes difficult
Good points. I really want to believe in what you are saying. I have to believe that Chip is too smart to proclaim his love for MM so much so that the teams in the top of the draft know they have him bent over a barrel come draft day. The idea if giving up everything to get this guy after openly fawning over him doesn’t jive with what we all know from Chip. He’s a tactician and every move is calculated. I agree that he is just simply trying to get MM drafted as high as possible. Personally, I think Jameis will end up as the better pro. I don’t think he’s a punk or a bad apple, I see him as an immature kid. He’s definitely not a Manziel type.
agree,,,, to add, everything I know about Chip Kellys philosophy of the game is that this is an ultimate team sport, no one player is good enough to make a difference in this game… chips football philosophies go directly against dumping 3-5 draft picks to go get 1 player… chip knows that as good as marriotta is, he is nothing if he doesnt have enough pieces around him, and i just have a hard time believing cip would value 1 player enough to trade the farm and cripple our ability to build a championship roster around the young QB he acquired…
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but we’ll see…. i maintain that the only way we will even see a QB drafted at all, is if Barkley is cut or barkley is moved up to the #2 QB, and i wouldnt bet money on either materializing… i wouldnt at all be surprised if foles, sanchez, barkley all are back for 1 more year
They’re starting to get to you, man!
Totally agree with you.
I think some just want a QB that can run if they have to, not one that runs as a part of their game. Mcnabb had a good balance, Russel Wilson has a good balance like you stated. I think some believe Mariota could be that perfect balance, like a steve young, russel Wilson, and some expect he may have potential to exceed the play of even those guys.
That is an exciting thought. But can it be done with Foles, I think so, but his decision making has to get better of course, and we need the right team around a guy like foles, good oline, a more balanced running game if your not gonna have the speed on the outside, meaning if we don’t get some added speed, we need a power back.
One thing though, not saying Russel doesn’t have a really great team, but he I feel like his talent is disrespected.
Ive seen him run backwards out of pressure to the right side of the field and throw a lazer pass to the opposite side of the field of his backfoot, more than 10 yards behind his original drop, with pressure bearing down towards the sideline and the pass was perfect.
Im just saying, in his own right, that guy has some serious skills at the QB position.
If you cut Cole, Williams, and Ryans you have $48 million in cap space.
Mariotta would cost about $4 mil in cap space. Throw in remaining late rounders and we call it an even $5
43 left
Maclin back for $10 mil annually
33 left
Maxwell- $10 mil a year
Moore- $7 mil
Worldis- $8 mil
Franklin- $7 mil
1mil left
Still need another CB, Still need an ILB, Still need young replacements for Mathis and Peters, can’t resign Cox or Kendricks, can’t do anything in 2016 FA.
Yea that scenario never happening. Maclin yes. Graham or another olb yes hopefully ravens scenario. Sign culliver/house and a midlevel safety. Cut cary and cole. Keep meco. Trade for mariotta. 2 1s 2 2s 1 3s. Trade foles for 2 and 3. Draft kendricks or perryman in rd 2 or fisher. Vice versa position rd 3. Start carroll outside or boykin. Draft oregon corner to play slot in 5th or later. All good. Cant buy a team soley w free agents.
Yup. History has shown that trying to build the foundation of a team through free agency in most cases doesn’t work and in many cases is an outright disaster, but that will never stop people from advocating it. If Chip were to go this route I’d say it’d be more likely he’s out of the NFL in two years than that he’s in the Super Bowl.
I’m inclined to think that a bidding war is possible for Maxwell, and there are multiple teams who can pay quite a bit for his services…
Moore seems possible, though
I’ve heard the other teams that might want Maxwell are the Steelers, the Jets, and the Falcons. I know the Steelers are always in cap hell, so I would rule them out. I don’t know about the other two.
the steelers are in cap hell, but they may need secondary help more than any team in the NFL… they make our secondary look like LOB…but a big splash super expensivbe corner signing typically isnt how the rooney family does business, and even if they wanted to, you are right, they probably cant even afford it….. not only is Ike Taylor and Polamolu old asa dirt, but the safety and Corner they invested good money in, Mike Mitchell and Cortez Allen took the money and quickily made the steelers regret paying them with their pathetic play
Reportedly it’s between us and Jets for Maxwell’s services. The bad part of that is the jets have 40m in cap space and have came straight out saying they are going to spend money this off season.
i dont really believe that…. i dont know what to think about our involvement, but I would bet money on the Jets signing Cromartie, and if that happens, they wont sign Maxwell… so if the jets part of the report is bogus, i dont feel comfortable believe in our involvement.. then again every friggin leak comes from agents right now, which all have agendas, so I dont believe the eagles are the front runner for any player that is reported, because when we are a front runner for a player it rarely ever gets leaked, and chip doesnt talk to anyonbe
I think the interest from the Jets besides what is being reported is common sense. They went as far as to illegally tamper with Revis who would have cost them more money. If they can’t get him they go for the next best thing which costs them less money. Just makes sense. Therefore common sense states they are interested in Maxwell meaning the first half is probably true. Therefore why couldn’t the second half (eagles) be true considering it is a weak spot on our D and he is the type of CB we look for. We can sit here and debate whether or not it’s true, but it does make sense for both teams to be highly interested. While none of us really know, the common sense factor would have you believe that maybe it is true. You are basing your thesis on a very small sample size of Chips off seasons considering it is only his third, and first one in which he is in complete control. 2 off seasons and this one in which FA hasn’t even started isn’t enough for anybody to truly build a pattern or thought process of how this NEW FO will work. Therefore I state again the safest bet is the common sense one.
no, im basing my thesis on Todd bowles being the new coach of the jets who just got done coaching cromartie, and pattrick petersons direct quote “all cromartie talks about these days is about how freaking excited he is to go back to the jets”
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im basing this off of a new headcoach telling an owner, that he can make it work with a cheaper option at corner.. doubt many owners will argue with a coach trying to spend less on an upgrade
Good point, but something tells me Bowles would choose Maxwell when push comes to shove. In all honesty with 40m in cap space they could good after both of they chose to. The familiarity between Cromarti and Bowles is definitely there, but Maxwell is definitely the younger player (by 5 years I believe) and at this point the better player. You could build around Maxwell, not so much Cromartie. Cromartie is a very good player no doubt, Maxwell is just better and younger. With 40m in space you can definitely afford the better. New regime, they want to make a splash and have the means too.
cant dispute that. perfectly fair devils advocate argument
I just think the Jets may do a Snyder type of off season or maybe a 2011 eagles type of off season. They have the money to do it, and good draft pick position.
I would be afraid we would do less with Moore.
Riesling is the best accompanying wine for funions.
Well, no one is going to argue the point with Mr. Richwine.
False, Mad Dog is always the answer. (MD 20/20)
My favorite vintage of Mad Dog is “green.”
“Where we’re going we don’t need colors”
-Me everytime I drink Mad Dog.
I figure there’s a good chance you’ll see the color again so it’s wise think ahead…
What you can’t remember (without the help of others or a police report) can’t hurt you. That’s science.
And kudos on the Back to the Future reference. I recently learned the “start line” outside Hill Valley was filmed just up the street from me. Also filmed at four other locations and at Universal, but still…
Blackout special they banned at the liquor store at Penn.
Damn you, D3FB! Now you’ve got me looking at DeLoreans on eBay… not good.
Look for auctions where the start date is after the end date. If you try to bid, you’ll see that you already own it.
Now that’s really messing with the time-space continuum… I would think my bidding finger would suddenly become transparent. It’s all moot anyhow: There’s no way to get a car up to 88 mph in L.A.
I beg to differ on your choice of varietal. If I recall, Kiwi/Watermelon is the gentleman’s choice.
A strong seasonal dram for sure…
This weekend, I attended a wine tasting event put together by some wine conneseiurs (sp). Some cheap riesling ended up winning.
Tyvon Branch is an interesting player. When healthy he was one of the better safeties in the league. Not exactly young at 28, but not exactly old either. Was durable before his past two injuries which don’t exactly fall under the nagging type of injuries. More like bad luck or freak injuries. Wouldn’t mind him as a fall back plan if need be. Would come cheap when.compared with his talent.
the guy played 5 out of 32 games the last two seasons, is almost 30 and was always more of a box safety than a guy we could feel comfortable sticking in man coverage against a slot WR… I dont see him as an option, at all, as in, not even a little bit….. i would be pissed and confused to see us sign him…
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until Searcy signs a contract he should be the only safety the eagles are concerned about…if he signs with someone else, next turn our attentions to Rahim or Marcus Gilchrist… but Searcy has to be the number 1 safety target unless we feel like staying on the crap secondary hamster wheel for another year….
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Id rather bid on RFA Tashaun Gipson, then waste time on Branch…and id be pretty damn pissed to see us bid on Ron Parker.
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ENOUGH ALREADY!! Its been too friggin long since we had two safeties worth a damn. I beg this franchise not to dick around with the safety position for another year… We have a chance at poaching the most battle tested member of the Legion of Boom as one of our Corners, AND we have a chance at poaching a safety from the only defense that gave up less TDs the the Legion of Boom, Da’Norris Searcy.
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I know its a far fetched expensive splash, but just invest in searcy and Maxwell now and we can enjoy a top secondary for the next 4 years…
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I want the cornerback who was the most tested member of Legion of Boom, yet only gave up a TD…and I want the safety from the best pass defense in the NFL who doesnt let WRs get behind him, never misses tackles and hasnt been flagged for a single penalty all year…
Two quality signings like Searcy, Maxwell transcend our defense instantly to the next level….
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im alway down with the bargain free agent, I never complained these past two years, I supported both drafts and free agencies since chip arrived… but about once every 5 years, you have to step up and have a SERIOUS free agent Haul, THE TIME IS NOW!!!
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Maxwell, Searcy, Jenkins, Nolan…. would take our secondary from pretenders to contenders.. pair this type of secondary with our nasty front 7 that will be better then last years front 7 and we have the makings of a legit playoff defense..
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if the eagles sign a safety or target a safety while searcy is still on the market im going to be sick…
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GEAGLE speaks
Chris Culliver or Parrish Cox would be nice too.
doubt the eagles have interest in either player
Culliver would be perfect if he didnt have some character concerns
Need MOAR scouting reports on The Scouts Notebook!
Last week was inventory at work. Still recovering.
Stephone Anthony is done, I just need to write it up. So is Odigi from UCLA, but I may off myself trying to type his name 30 times.
Anybody else you want to see? (still not enough tape for any extensive work on the Safeties).
There is 4 tapes on Derron Smith from Fresno State (1 tape from the USC game from this year), Garrett Grayson (3 tapes one against Utah) and Mauldin from Louisville. That completes my most humblest of requests. SUPER interested to see what you have on Anthony.
I’ll see what I can scrounge up on Smith, I don’t like using underclassman film except as a reference point for things like growth/stagnation.
We’ll see about Grayson, I’ve yet to come away from a tape saying “he can be the guy”.
I’ll definitely do Mauldin.
Sparknotes on Anthony: Probably a better h/w/s guy than football player at this point. Nothing tape based to suggest he can cover vertically.
Byron Jones
I need more than one tape, but it’s impressive. The great feet and hips, that make people like Quinton Rollins as a player, are there. The only problem is he can get a bit panicky with the ball in the air.
Im really interested in your thought on Preston Smith, Arik Armstead, Jalen Collins, Chris Conley, Jake Fischer, Bruce Petty
Good names there.
5 tech (so value v. need won’t align), 5tech, HWS player, haven’t watched, top 40, I’m assuming Bruce is the singer/songwriter brother of Bryce who is a backup to me (Air Raid QBs scare me shitless)
OO works if you need to shorten your typing load.
If you’re looking at some additional guys (even for quick hitter comments rather than a huge write-up);
– Titus Davis (you commented on him last week on a mock I posted)
– Leterrius Walton (huge guy with a high motor, good future 3-4 DE?)
– Kikaha (can he get home on a rush, cover in space, there in round 2?)
– Ogbuehi (can he potentially start at guard and go to RT in the future?)
-Ehhh, good route runner. He’s a body catcher though. Combine numbers are pretty blah. Really tiny hands. Doesn’t do much for me. Probably makes a team but never more than a 4/5.
-Kid flys around. REALLY raw. Doesn’t use his hands, which is a cardinal sin for me. Projectable frame, slightly small arms. Apparently he’s a former OL, so the not using his hands is really frickin weird.
-Very much a fan of Kikaha in round 2. Fractions of an inch undersized, doesn’t have much experience dropping but shows comfort moving in space on film. He’s not going to have the big fancy pro day stats, but the kid is a friggin football player. I don’t think he’ll ever be an all pro but I think he’ll be a good player for a long time, as long as his knees check out.
-No. He’s a straight redshirt. You will get nothing from him in 2015. He’s T, just doesn’t have the power. Has good athleticism and great footwork but just doesn’t have the strength to deal with NFL interior players for 80 snaps. If you get him in round 3 you accept he won’t play this year, adjust his rehab and training around that and get him ready to be starting RT for OTAs 2016.
Thank you. Good info to use on what rounds to judge a guy as worth it or now.
No problem. I’d say
Davis: 5th-6th may go later due to depth of this class and last years class teams may be a bit saturated with comparable or superior talent.
Walton-Late day 3-UDFA, film most limited on this one but the tall guy shorter arms thing and bad hand usage bugs me, also won’t be a target for 43 teams, deflating demand
Kikaha- 2nd
Ogubedhi- Top 100
Thank you. And as some background
Became fascinated by Davis due to the bowl game. Have been drafting him in the 7th round.
Love Walton as this year’s version of Taylor Hart; draft him and sit him. Been taking him in the 6th.
Kikaha has been steady 2nd round, I trust him more than Nate Orchard, and I’m terrified that we’re not going to get a pass rusher of first round quality in the first round; again.
Ogu intrigues me at guard because I believe he was playing there when Matthews / Joekel were playing tackle at A&M, but moved to tackle as he needed to……….and I don’t see how we can get Jake Fisher at this point.
Remember, Air Raid offense. Teams only play 4 DE’s and a big safety or small linebacker in the box.
I’ll keep that in mind the next time I read some writing about him at guard. I can’t remember where I heard that first on Sirius, but it may have been from Jim Miller. I should know better.
Tommy.
You and Bama spoke over the phone and all that was discussed was FA candidates and your respective levels of wine snobbery? No talk of Mariota? For shame…
GE99 speaks! God keeping us waiting for ages! ::reload.. reload::
I know, I understand this isn’t Tommys source of income so I can’t expect a new post whenever I would like to read something. But it doesn’t stop me from hitting the refresh button on my phone a thousand times a day! Do have to say that I am very appreciative of Tommys insight and also the insight of the commenters on this site. Keeps me from pulling my hair out reading lesser journalism and the abundant stupidity on some other sites comment sections.
Agreed, & in keeping with that tradition I implore my fellow IgglesBlitzers not to fall for the media-created Mariota nonsense.
smart man
Something’s going to happen, i expect big moves.
Even if Maclin is tagged, its not a real Tag, it would be merely a maneuver to buy more time, continue working out the contract while keeping Mac off the open Market, so no big deal if he is tagged, because we can expect an extension announcement not too far after the tag… Hopefully it doesnt even get to that, a new extension is signed and Maclin can celebrate his new deal this week….n fingers crossed. This isnt something that has caused me any concern this offseason
Agree, while it would be nice to have a deal in place already I would bet my right testicle that he will be an Eagle for years to come. God I hope I don’t regret saying that.
ill see your right testicle, and raise you a left testicle that Maclin goes no where 🙂
Lol
Offseason plan. Anyone but worilds. Passrusher not coverage guru
1) sign maclin
2) sign graham or mcAphee from ravens
3) resign ced, cox, and kendricks.
4) talk to vinny about a short deal to get him outta rookie deal
5) cut cole therafter olb signing
6) sign culliver (top 10 cover guy via pff) and/or house. Not smart to pay maxwell top 8 money for a top 24 corner. If you gonna overpay do it for an elite corner like revis or elite olb like Houston. Cut cary will
7) sign searcy or chiefs safety or ravens safety
8) look at broncos young ilb market especially if mariotta deal going down.
9) restructure meco
10) if trade for mm is 20 to 4 and cost a fair market draftchart value (2 firsts, two seconds, and a third or foles, first, second, third or two first curry boykin and a third) i do it. Flip foles for a first or two twos or 2 and a 3 to offset picks. See if we can trade curry or boykin too. Draft ilb or fisher in rd2 and vice versa positions in rd3
11) if no mariotta, stay put and draft collins (db) from lsu or bud dupree in rd1, fisher or kendricks or mckinney in rd 2, hundley rd3 young rb or guard rd4 oregon player x
Lots of work. The whole roster is really a mes.
Worilds at $9, $10, $11 mil / year for an average of 7 or 8 sacks is a colossal waste of money.
I’d rather get the same production from Sheard on a more reasonable contract. Plus I still expect Smith II to cover Graham’s sack total from last year. A guy we sign just needs to improve on Cole’s paltry 6.5 total.
None of that equals needing Worilds.
this marriotta frenzy reminds me alot of when chip was hired anbd every single media membert was making a fool of themselves saying Nick Foles would be getting traded because he didnt run fast enough to be able to play for Chip.. No one had any evidence to suggest that would be true, even worse they ignored all the evidence that should have told them it wasnt true, like andy , telling our media he called about Foles but eagles werent willing to trade him. media had no facts, no proof, just assumptions based off of what they had seen in college, yet every media memeber repeatedly foles would be traded and cant play for chip over and over til fans started to believe and expect it… offseason unfolds and not only do we turn down 2nd round pick or josh Gordon, we went out and spend two picks trading up for barkley who is less willing to run then foles…. the media took a bullshit assuymption and said it over and over and over til all the media members and fans started thinking it was reality..
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i see the same exact thing happeneing this offseason, no one has any real proof to base this off of, but for months every media member keeps talking about how chip is going to trade up for Marriotta, over and over and over til it has now become the assumption amongst national media and eagles nation… but just like the media convcinced everyone foles would be traded in 2013, now they are convincing everyone that our coach is going to pay a kings ransom… like last years fabricvated false narrative was all based on what people saw in college, now everyone is doing the same thing all over again, taking what they saw in college and making an assumption that is starting to be viewed as fact… smh. irresponsible hack media… clown media has our poor gullible fans talking trade compensation for marriotta all offseason lol smh
I would agree normally and i am broadly a Foles guy but there seems to be a little too much smoke for there to not be a little bit of fire. Jimmy K may be a hack but he tends to report based on some slither of fact, so we must at least be investigating getting Mariota.
That’s why I think this is different. The smoke surrounding DJ can be seen. Where’s the smoke here besides ‘writers’ saying they “hear things”?
there was all the “smoke” you can imagine in 2013.. literally every moron media with a voice was telling fans “nick is a goner, he can never play for chip”.. truth is, there was way more “smoke” sorrounding the 2013 bullshit
No they wasnt saying that. They was predicting that Vick would start which he did.
they werent saying nick foles could never play for chip thus it was a foregone conclusion that he would be traded? every single media member in this city said that with the exception of maybe matt lombardo
i dont care to rip kempski or anyone, but this time of year “90%” of what any media member “hears” is agenda based”… media is used as vehicles to spread counter intel more than they are actually being given real intel…
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but hey march is here, two months of speculating and we will all know the truth soon..
GEagle, you’re right about Barkley and Foles. You didn’t even mention Sanchez.
I would only like to add: it is possible Chip changed his mind. You can’t rule that out after the Offense wasn’t nearly as good last year. Chip wanted to beat man coverage last year – teams played more zone and didn’t let Riley beat them over the top. He will change his scheme based on that, you can bet. And that’s just one example.
Whether we’ll go for Mariota or not (I really have no clue), one thing is for sure: the most important part of this Offseason already happened. Chip probably invested days (and nights) watching film of Nick last season. Chip knows what plays he called, he sees the decisions Nick made. Remember, decision making is the most important trait for a QB in Chip system.
For Chip, MM is like Peyton Manning. If he really doesn’t like what he sees on Nicks tape, he will go after MM. The running is a nice sideshow, especially if MM is as smart about it as Wilson is. But Chip would go after Mariotas decision making.
If he likes what he sees, he will let the media believe he will go after MM but really doesn’t care in the end, unless he slips out of the top 10.
while i dont disagree with your thinking…. i dont believe a head coach will look at a QB, playing behind a mess of an OL and judge him as if thats the best it will ever get for the young man… i dont believe that to be possible… hold on, let me cut and paste yesterdays post:
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Kind of find it funny that after watching the dallas cowboys be the joke of the decade, they finally put a top OL together, and it ended up fixing all their problems. Romo had his best year in a while, The RB had his best year, the OL tricked the public into thinking Dallas had a good defense when in reality the Ol/run game was just able to hide the defense…
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so as fans of cowboys Rivals we just witnessed how damn important an OL is, and the effects it can have on so many other positions on the team…. yet we watch our Ol in shambles to where Shady could barely gain 30 yards, and people are ready to give up on Nick after a year behind as big of an OL mess as we could imagine….
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we saw how great foles and shady played in 2013 when our OL was elite
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we saw the dallas Cowboys be a joke of the decade when their OL was average at best
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we just saw Dallas have its best season in years, with the best OL they have had in years..
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so by now we should have plenty of lessons about the importance of the OL, yet we are ready to move on for Foles because people didnt like how he looked when he was busy winning games behind a disaster of an OL? LOL…..INTERESTING! fortunately I take solace knowing that our coach knows better…
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leave the QB nonsense alone, “If we build a top OL, the quality QB play will come”-field of dreams
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leave the damn offense alone. just make sure we have 8 starting caliber offensive lineman(greedy? your damn right!), add a TE, maybe a rook WR, and dump every other asset we have into building a defense this city can be proud of
You’re right about the importance of the O-Line. The offensive explosion we all witnessed in 2013 had a lot to do with great Linemen like Peters, Mathis and Kelce being healthy and playing great, while Todd and Lane were solid.
I just think it’s POSSIBLE (nobody knows what the result of the film study was other than Chip and a few people inside the building) Chip saw enough bad decisions from Nick that, in his opinions, weren’t based on the O-Line mess.
At the end of 2013, Chip said the famous “1000 years” quote about Nick. At the end of 2014, he said “we’ll evaluate the QB position like any other position in the next weeks”. That doesn’t mean we’ll draft MM, let me be clear, but it doesn’t mean we won’t draft him, either. 😉
I really think it all comes down to Foles tape in the eyes of CK. If his opinion is: well, O-Line was bad, but Nick made tons of mistakes, I called play X, Coop/Mac/Ertz/whoever was open and Nick had time, but didn’t saw him. Nick didn’t execute my playcall. Multiple times.
I think if the film study shows that, then Chip will pull the trigger on MM. Whether you or I like it or not.
An important aspect, imho, could be Chips view about the draft, philosophically, too. He thinks it’s a crap shoot. Mariota won’t be a crap shoot for Chip.
But again, if the tape shows Chip that the O-Line was indeed the (more or less) only problem, I don’t think he will sell the farm.
If you want to articulate the situation Hollywood style, you’d say: the future of the Eagles franchise was decided between probably 10th January and the beginning of February. Because Chips decision on Foles will have a huge impact one way or the other.
For all of the talk about how the OL was so great in ’13, they lost the battle and the line of scrimmage in 3 of their last 4 games including getting their teeth kicked in the ‘Boys game and struggling quite badly in the WC game vs Saints.
Maybe but there are no real checks on Kelly now. I just don’t see (and never did) that it was possible the Eagles can move up to the Top 5 (and likely higher) to grab him with their No. 20 pick.
Not like this team was picking 6 or 7, willing to give up a bit to possibly solidify their QB spot, and take their collective lumps in a rebuilding year this year where they go say 5-11/6-10.
“Cowboys VP Stephen Jones confirmed the team will use the franchise tag on free agent Dez Bryant.
“I think it would be a stretch to think we would have something done by Monday,” Jones said. “Looks like we’re eyeing a franchise tag on Dez, but that certainly won’t stop us from working hard to get a long-term deal.” This has been the expectation all along. Dallas is in talks with Bryant, but the sides aren’t expected to reach an agreement before the franchise-tag deadline. Bryant will make around $13 million if the Cowboys don’t extend him by July 15″-roto
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trouble in cowboy heaven lol
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a man can dream this time of year:
Justin Houston – LB – Chiefs
Impending free agent OLB Justin Houston was a no-show for the Chiefs’ Saturday banquet, where he was announced as the team’s 2014 MVP.
This may hint at Houston’s intentions of staying away from team functions as he negotiates with the Chiefs. Talks are said to be “ongoing,” but Houston is likely to be franchise tagged before any significant progress is made.-roto
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while maclin was at eagles charity event… pay the mac!!!
Bottle of white, bottle of red, perhaps a bottle of rosé
instead.
You can get anything you want.
excepting Alice
possible replacement for free agent Brad Smith, or the great Jeff Maehl?,,,
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Seyi Ajirotutu – WR – Chargers
The Chargers are expected to re-sign free agent WR Seyi Ajirotutu.
Ajirotutu played just 173 snaps on offense last year, but led San Diego with 19 special-teams tackles. The Chargers should be able to keep him for the veteran minimum.-roto
there’s a couple of those guys that are around. Interesting using bottom of roster for STs instead of talent development.
Evidently we use first round picks as roster development, so bottom of the roster has a ton of rooms for special teams picks.
Plenty late round Wrs to snag
Marcus Gilchrist, you say? I’m not terribly familiar with….oh, Safety from Clemson, you say? Well then, yes, by all means, we’ll take him!!!!!
I see what you did there.
Clemson has a nice young safety now who wears #20, he’s not in this draft though.
why are people so happy to settle for B level options? negotiation 101 start high, and work your way down….. start off hoping for the top safety options, and if you miss out of the best,, then Marcus Gilchrist becomes a solid fall back plan…. personally i would hate to see our front office, settle for Gilchrist off the bat, without even trying to do better first
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i do like the kid as one of our top 3 options, there just happens to be a young man i love significantly more
That’s a lot of big ticket items. I think there’s a 3 splash maximum in
FA, Maclin Included. Maxwell, and Franklin, OK. I like Glichrist,
watched some SD the other day, and he makes his presence known. I liked
Ron Parker when I thought he could be signed for $3-4M. At $5-6M he
tends a vanish in centerfield a bit too much for my liking. If Raheem
Moore comes at the right price I’d be ok with him as well, But Gilchrist
is the guy to shoot for. There is a creepy feeling in my spine, that we
haven’t seen the last of Nathaniel Allen. Fingers crossed! No to
Worilds. Might as well re-sign Graham. He’s a better pass rusher, and no
significant difference btwn the 2 in coverage. But It doesn’t seem like
BG’s gonna work out.
Over the past week there has been talk
about who the Eagles must cut to create cap space, and for some reason,
Barwin’s name has been in the discussion due to his $7M cap number in
’15. STOP IT! Some of these National guys are clueless, Conner’s just
hitting his stride, and that contract will turn out to be one of the
better deals in recent years. I’d be shocked if he doesn’t get offered
some more guaranteed.
The Dead Money 6 is now the Dead Money 4.
The culling must continue. Trent,Meco, Cary, and Celek, have to be dealt
with. These moves can put us over $50M in cap space. Through FA and the
draft, they can all be replaced at more reasonable prices, and this
team won’t miss a beat. Guys I’d like to see step into those roles
Kikaha, or Odi to compete with MS2, Stephone Anthony taking over for
Meco, Maxwell’s fine at CB, And Celek’s blocking ability can be replaced
in the later rounds of the draft.
Now leadership is another
issue, and that needs to come from within. Cox, MK Ultra, and Kelce, are
3 guys I think need to take the reins.
I haven’t seen anyone crazy enough to think we’ll cut Barwin.
I’d argue he’s the least likely guy on the entire roster making big money who’d be cut.
there were 2 dumb @ss articles I saw yesterday that mentioned his name. I was in shock at how stupid it sounded
laughable
I’ll still highlight a few things with free agency.
1) If they had taken my advice going into 2013 and signed Glover Quin rather than that stiff Chung, we’d not be in this terrible position for safety. You cannot tell me this contract wasn’t affordable. And Quin would be a perfect mirror for Jenkins.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/glover-quin/
2) I still believe a full evaluation of the potential of in-house talent stepping up has to be part of the free agent equation. In particular, we’re owed names by the team that we should expect to see offer improved contributions for 2015. I want to know explictly what players they expect to see give better efforts and to what measured level they expect those guys to contribute, so I can be better to pass judgement on guys going into the next off-season. If they team fails to provide this, I’m going to establish “par” for each and every guy’s needed contribution; and call him horrible names and / or a draft bust if he fails to meet my expectations.
In either case, I want to know what internal guys they expect to step up in positions they chose not to pursue for improvements in free agency.
This team is not good enough at CB, CB, S, ILB, OLB, RG, and WR. If they don’t get free agents at any or all of these positions I want explicit answers on what production I can expect from Carroll II, Watkins, Wolff, Reynolds, Goode, Long, Smith II, the collection of underachieving stiffs they put out on the O-line last year as starters were injured, and Huff.
How the season plays out will give you your answers. You’re not going to get definitive answers any time before the actual season.
They I reserve the right to set those values if the team refuses to provide them.
Set them where, exactly? Pointless message board ranting? If so, thumbs up!
Here, in any fantasy league. In tweets to team reporters when ripping guys from coming up short of anticipated production. All of the above. We cannot sign our way into a title, so these guys on the roster now need to step up or be torn up.
If Jeff Maehl doesn’t break 1500 yards, I’m going to call him out.
That’s funny, but I’m more talking like if Huff doesn’t get to at least 48 catches, Smith II at 6 to 8 sacks, Wolff staying on the field and contributing, Watkins playing significantly increased snaps.
That sort of thing.
Nobody is asking for 1500 yards from Maehl.
Wolff had microfracture surgery. I think he’s done.
Then they need to tell us that.
You’re too harsh, man, almost always…
1960 will do that.
What exactly are you expecting from the backup Oline? That they would have thrived and we wouldn’t miss a beat? If they were that good, they’d be starters. When you lose 3/5 of your line for the majority of the year, it’s going to struggle.
Play equal to the praise they were given in the pre-season. I normally wouldn’t expect a ton from backups, but the coaching staff and guys who cover the team talked up several of the guys who flopped / quit (Barbre, Tobin, Molk, Gardner) like they were they were all ready to be the Hogs 2.0 if given a chance to play. The backup O-line was fluffed and hyped to the point where expectations of better play were created……….and ultimately not met.
I hear what you are saying but I also don’t think anyone touting the OL envisioned the rash of injuries we suffered and having what, 5 backups play last year? If you said hey, we’re going to need 3 of our backups to have extensive playing time all at the same time, all year, I don’t think we’d have heard the same praise.
Again, if these guys were that good, they’d be starters. I took the praise as great, we have some good backups in place. If we lose a guy, we should be fine. Not of we lose 3 guys we’ll be fine.
the difference is, you can be high on your young backups future in august while you are expecting them to be groomed another year or two before we have to count on them…. if you told me in august that the backup OL i was watching, 4 of them would have to play significant minutes in 2014, i would look at the backups in a different light…
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also, when judging OL its very different when you are watching backups play together who have formed some cohesiveness as backups…its an entire new ball game when those backups get thrust into action linning up next to a starting OLinemen they havent vbuiklt chemistry with…. say our OL was healthy last year but we lost mathis for the season on opening day.. if Tobin is the only backup stepping in to play with the starters, by week 5 he should have gelled a little with Peters and Kelce lining up on either side of him…. but when we are talkinga bout inexperienced backups coming into the starting lineup and find themselves linning up next to a different OL every gamne because players are dropping like flies, you arent getting a chance to properly evaluate the OL
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OL needs to work together as a cohesive unit. that cant happen if you are linning up next to a different player every week
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if only one of our backups had to start, and he got continuity to play next to the same guys, by the end of the season i would bet that backup would play some good ball…. but when every week you are rearranging the chairs on the deck of the titanic “OL”, you arent getting to see your backups in a position they have any shot of realistically succeeding in
carroll is the best outside corner on our roster, and probably next years starter… fans just dont know it yet.. at best jaylen will win a starting safety spot, more likely he replaces Carroll as the dime when carroll moves outside this year
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big fan of long, but he is done as far as im concerned,. too many serious injuries to go into an offseason counting on him
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Goode can be a real nice backup, maybe even Nickel LB, but i have seen nothing so far that would make me comfortable going into the season with him as a starter..
For the everyone outside of the OL..
Carroll: I expect him to challenge for a starting role.
Watkins: this is tough because he hasn’t been allowed to focus on a single position. Assuming he does at CB, I expect him to contribute as the Dime CB.
Wolff: No expectations from me, I think he gets cut.
Reynolds: I would like to see him make the active roster and contribute on STs. Unrealistic expectation….really take a step forward and win a starting role.
Goode: challenge for starting ILB job.
Long: Stay healthy
Smith II: take over BG’s role. I’d expect maybe 3-5 sacks. I’m not as hung up on numbers if he can generate pressure. If he can force some rushed throws, not suck in coverage and play well against the run and ends up with 2-3 sacks, I’ll take it.
Reason: It’s a salary capped world, not Madden. Things like player cost and player fit matter, no matter how mad that makes you. You can’t just go out and sign the MONSTARS and have them all workout and everything be hunky dory.
I don’t think I was asking for monster signings at every position, I was looking to see what guys on the team now can step up and fill the holes we need filled.
Yes but you can’t just bring in a guy at every spot. Availability alone dictates there may only be 3 guys on the market that fit the scheme, one goes for stupid money, one wants to play where he’s from and the third think’s he should be paid like the first guy and loves the booger candy. You just can’t do it.
Every team goes into a year with spots that they added as much competition as they can but they have no surefire answer at the position.
So for example at guard. We run a specific scheme. We already have a large chunk of salary cap allocated to the position. Rather than go sign a FA let Barbre who played well in 2013 and showed well throughout camp last year, Tobin who was up and down last year but you’re talking about a second year UDFA, (alot of people hated Ceddy after his second year) he showed progress but struggled with the lack of talent around him. Logic suggests that he’s likely to get better with another year of coaching and offseason to improve (he’s young and healthy so regression unlikely), as well as Graf who profiles similarly to Tobin, and a day 3 pick compete for the job. Combined they cost half of what a FA would cost and help reduce the risk of a single player being the answer to the position.
That got rambling and I’m not sure it makes a terribly large amount of sense. I’ll try after I get some sleep.
I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying here at all about not always (or even close to always) being able to add a guy in free agency. My point is that if you choose to improve one position via free agency, but not another; I’d like to know exactly who on the current roster is going to step into that unfilled spot and what the “par” expectation against which their efforts can be judged. I’m just asking for a higher level of transparency / accountability for each and every guy on the roster and the decision maker behind that guy’s spot on the roster / depth chart.
That’s fine. I get it, but the team is never ever ever ever ever going to make that public though. They aren’t going to come out and say well player X at position X should have X amount of stats. They will talk in vague terms. I think if a player gets thrust into a starting role the expectations are to: play to the maximum to his ability, play within the scheme, and play with maximum effort. Something along those lines are what you’re going to hear.
But that won’t stop me from using non-team based sources of information to develop a projected / expected level for what each guy should do and then form my firing squad for substandard play.
For example with 2013 to 2014.
In 2013, the play at nose tackle wasn’t good enough. A lot of folk, myself included, wondered if Bennie Logan getting pushed around (especially in the Saints game) merited looking for a more traditionally sized NT for dominating against the run. The team chose not to upgrade from Logan, allowed him to mature in the role, and he had a great season. Well done coaches and front office.
In 2013, Nate Allen sucked. Nate Allen sucks. Nate Allen sucks. In 2014 we were stuck with Nate Allen sucking because Nate Allen sucks. Nate Allen sucks. Sucky suck suck. SUCKS. So here we sit it in 2015 and we’re still behind the 8 ball at safety because we don’t have a 2nd starting quality safety and now have two fret over the position for another year.
So if they don’t sign a free agent at the positions of need I’ll be congratulating the team for great talent development in some cases and destroying them for stupidity at another.
Nate Allen sucks.
Nate Allen is still a top 64 safety in the league though.
At this point it looks like cutting Jackson last year instead of now will basically pay for Maclin. Keeping Jackson for last year and next would basically cost the same as Maxwell, Moore, and another solid free agent. Football is all fundamentals – economics fundamentals, but fundies nonetheless. You can’t sign ’em all.
Assuming Maclin comes in at his actual value (5 years / $45) rather than rolling elsewhere if somebody wants to over pay him.
We need to actually see a contract before I believe it.
What did Cooper get?
$4.5ish / year.
http://overthecap.com/player/riley-cooper/777/
Here is what Jordy Nelson, a better player than Maclin gets.
http://overthecap.com/player/jordy-nelson/1121/
My point on Maclin is that my limit on him is 5 / $45 mil or he can go.
Mac is no dummy. 5 at 45 is awesome – but I’d be shocked. Eagles could let DJ go because there was Mac/Cooper and a plan to draft a WR. Now, Eagles can’t afford to let Mac go. Leave the WR’s as JM/Cooper/Huff? Ugh. It’s nice to use other players as value, but it’s more value of that player to that team. Mac is going for the moon on this deal. He also already turned down a multi year deal and bet on himself. He won that bet. No matter if he says the right things or goes to the right events — Mac will want his money.
I can’t go over that for Maclin. If another team wants him for more than that on the market, he can leave. I begrudge him a penny he can get from somebody else, but I can’t justify him him on this roster for more than that.
disagree…if you tell maclin tl piss off when the price reaches that point, we will stuck paying more for similar or less WR talent on the open market… rather deal with Maclin, then to have to bid on guys like Randall Cobb while the friggin raiders are driving up negotiations throwing blank checks at the kid…
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even overpaying Mac a tad now, is better then bidding on WR on the open market, paying big money for unknwon WRs, when we already know what Maclin brings to the field, our locker room, how he handles the tempo….
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be pretty annoyed if Maclin isnt retained…. unless you talking Demaryious type of replacement which isnt happenening
Agreed. I just think the eagles are in a tough spot. Can they give him more cash up front to lessen the burden of a yearly?
million things they can do to alter the financial burden… heck every year I see some team who is supposed to be in Cap hell, practically do whatever they want, sign who ever the hell the want, and move the cap around to make it work
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just look at last year… the friggin saints were in Cap HELL to the fullest, yet they still were able to break the bank open for the most expensive safety on the market
yeah but they gotta cut half their roster this year.
cowboys been getting away with it for years til they finally had to pay the piper last year and make some cuts… i dont know that i mind 4 years of signing whoever the hell we want, and then 1 year of a few significant cuts…
True. But no matter what, Kelly believes he can spend 10.5 mill to get more than Jackson. I agree with him, or at least have no reason to doubt that he knows better than any of us.
I don’t think Chip said “let’s cut Jackson now so we don’t have to deal with him next year”.
You’re not wrong, but every last dollar is sacred in a capped environment.
word is chip was already talking about gettin rid of desean back in 2013
No, I’m pretty confident he said “let’s cut Jackson so I can have an extra 10.5 mill to spend next year”. This time of year makes it very clear how important cap space is.
this time next week teams will be finally talking real business with agents, and we will be a few days away from the market opening… kind of nervous. it can be a time to celebrate, or a time to rip our hair out…
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hopefully the Maclin issue is taken care of today or tomorrow to atleast get that concern taken care of
Just watched ‘A Football Life’ featuring Brandon Marshall and I can sincerely say that I Want him on the Eagles.
no chance,…
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imagine what chip must think of a football player who leaves chicago every tuesday during the season to fly to New York and film a TV show? Chip would cut his ass faster than Marshall can say “mental health”
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love to be wrong, be awesome to have a target like him battling for Foles, but no shot IMO
I think you see a deal tomorrow 5 years 48.5 with 20 G or something like that
huh? marshall? i assume you are talking Maclin right?
Yes Maclin
gotcha…. think there is a good chance you will be proven right, but even if you arent it wouldnt concern me at all… he gets slapped with tag, keeping him off the market buying more time for both sides to reach an agreement on a long term deal… even if Mac is franchised tomorrow, he will never play 1 day on that franchise tag contract, and we can bet on an extension being reached before the first mini camp
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maybe im delusional, but i havent spend a single moment being concerned that maclin might not be here next year
deal 100% getting done, MAC wants to be here, Eagles don’t really have a choice, philly has to negotiate or pay 12.3.
yes. My wish was aimed to have the three M&Ms in Philly.
Maclin, McPhee, Rahim Moore ? LOL “)
Exactly. Lol
Maybe we can get her in a package.
yeah but i can imagine him talking to chip and setting them at ease.
really? considering chip is only interested in players who are football 100% of the time, and the fact that our weekly schedule is different than every other team, you can see chip excusing a player on tuesday so he can film a TV show? are we talking about the same chip kelly?
showtime is over for marshall either way.
says who? i think he enjoyed the experience. he got away with it, and he wasnt that bad on showtime…
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then again, the show completely went to shit this year and it may have become the most unprofessional show i have ever seen… basically you have the host, who cant control the assylum of jocks.. its embarressing how the host will try to segway to a different topic yet 3, or 4 football players are all talking and laughing over the host at the same time…. i cant believe the nose dive that show took… Boomer is just a phil simms wannabe, which is probably the only thing worse then the real phil sims…that was a great show for decades, im embarrassed at what showtime and the producers allowed that show to become…. that show for me has been part of the NFL season for as long as i can remember. Its a damn shame how that show nose dived this year
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id rather have alshon Jeffries,,, then again, the only bear I really want, I would trade our 1st round pick TODAY and a 5th for Kyle Long
they have a real coach now.
this is also true..
Roto:
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DeMarco Murray – RB – Cowboys
Cowboys VP Stephen Jones admitted talks with free agent DeMarco Murray have been “slow,” and Murray will make it to the open market.
“[Murray] is probably going to, you know, get some peace and see what’s out in the market and then we’ll talk and see,” Jones said. “I do believe deep down he’d love to stay in Dallas.” The Cowboys couldn’t reach a long-term deal with fellow free agent Dez Bryant and will be forced to tag him this week. Murray’s days with Dallas aren’t necessarily over, but the 27-year-old should chase the money.
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Vincent Jackson – WR – Buccaneers
The Tampa Bay Times’ Rick Stroud reports the Bucs have made the decision to keep Vincent Jackson at his $12.2 million cap number for 2015.
GM Jason Licht said as much at the Combine, but it appears to be officially official now. Jackson just turned 32 last month and is coming off his third-straight 1,000-yard season in Tampa Bay. He’ll stick around to continue to mentor Mike Evans, giving the incoming rookie quarterback two monster targets to throw to on the outside. Jackson has two years left on his $55.555 million deal.
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want the cowboys to sign Demarco to a 5 yr deal so bad so i can watch them run him into the ground completely…. kind of odd to see Vincent Jackson who was allegedly placed on the trading block last year, being such a lock to play for a young Bucs team when he is making a ton of money for his age,,
TheBucs want to give Winston Every chance to succeed. Make it easy on him his rookie year with an elite group of weapons. I think they will focus on getting him an OL to play behind as well.
The Bucs and the Skins will be having a tug of war over Iupati.
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certainly makes sense to remove some burden from a rookie QB by throwing a bunch of talent around him, but atleast alter some of the cap figures on Jacksons deal.. thats a tone to pay for an Old Wr who hasnt done much as of late… heck, if the cardinals could alter Fitz deal, i would have thought the Bucs would atleast try to alter Vincents contract
hopefully they dump some of those defensive players.
I hope Washington wins that war…convincingly
seems they are being linked to culliver and every other 49er free agent
anyone know how ILB David Hawthorne has been playing for the saints? he should be on the market, used to be a solid LB, but the saints are a mess, loosing all types of players, no idea if he is still playing at a solid level and is just being cut because of financial shambles of the saints (they need some Howie in their life), or if his play has started to nose dive…
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wish we could get some word on guys like Casey Mathews, Brad smith, Bradley fletcher.,.. is it that hard to get the eagles to admit they are allowing them to “test the open market”, or find out that we are “negotiating to try and keep one”… not exactly super secret sensative info.. be nice to know which of our players we can count on hitting the open market
Was interested in Hawthorne…three years ago.
doubt we will sign any free agent ILB anyway… only chance at seeing us sign a free agent ILB, is Brooks Reed an OLB who can moonlight as an ILB if we need him to…
Sounds like his play has really slipped
“There is also a strong chance the Eagles will go after a Safety in free agency” — you think? Eagles should have addressed this last year — instead it was “oh, he’s not a fit” or “they’re not going to over pay”. If you want a good defense — sooner or later one of the two statements above have to be changed. I don’t know who’s philosophy it was when AR was here, but I thought it was sound. Build the defense up the middle. Nose tackle(Logan) check. Middle(kendricks) check. Safety (although I do like Jenkins) is not strong enough. Time to do something about it. Get someone capable and we’ll even see Jenkins stock rise…
It will be interesting to see if the Eagles pay a premium price for a guy (Maxwell) who I don’t think is a premium player. I don’t think they will but instead add another FA CB to replace Fletcher and spend a high-round draft pick to replace Williams if he won’t renegotiate his deal.
Eagles have constantly paid top dollar for top-level FA CBs during Lurie’s tenure including Vincent/Samuel/Nnamdi. Doing what they did 2 years ago was an exception when they stop-gapped with Williams and Fletcher but that had more to do with where the team was at the time.
Also curious to see where Fletcher ends up and if he gets even much more than the veteran minimum being viewed as just an experienced depth signing for a team that needs some & needs to spend some money.
I read on Friday that Maxwell was actually looking for $7-8M a year. That’s a lot more reasonable and feasible than the $10M a year talk.
that wont matter if teams keep bidding and keep raising their financial offers to try and secure the self proclaimed “prettiest girl at the dance”
He and his agent have to be careful. If he keeps going for the best offer, all his suitors could ultimately move on to to other options and he could be left with taking a lesser deal.
thats true, but usually agents stay in close contact with one or two of the most attractive teams, and are honest with them about whats going on, because the player and agent have them on the list of the preffered teams they hope to work it out with…
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nnamdi was being courted by everyone, but the agent stayed in close contact with howie troughout because eagles is the team Nnamdi preferred to sign with, and at the last second howie was able to swoop in and get the deal done because he was comfortable with where the bidding had reached…
I think it depends on their plans at QB. If they want to trade up for Mariota they almost need to go get Maxwell and one of the top safeties. If they are staying put they can be more selective in free agency and be aggressive in the draft.
all the baseless rumors and speculation on the big news this year, id be happy just to get a little harmless concrete piece of information… for example, WTF does this franchise think of barkley? while i know the simple fan opinion is: havent seen him play or play well in the first two years, so obviously chip thinks he is destined to suck forever”… but i dont see things that way. how can i possibly have that opinion when if it were up to me, i would sit every single rookie QB ever drafted, on the bench, developing away from the media eye for atleast the first two seasons.. so how can i possibly assume we are automatically down on Barkley right now?
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but i do know that there were some rumors going around about him demanding a trade out of philly, yet he isnt a big fish enough to make anyone in the media even care enough to try and find out about? rather chase your tails getting used by every agent and front office executive as a vehicle to do their dirty work spreading misinformation as if this is the friggin cold war…
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wish someone would take the time to try and find out some intel on decisions about some of our depth players, i would assume its easier to find out the truth about what we will do about Casey Mathews, then it is to find out if the eagles are going to trade half of Philadelphia to get marriotta..
Because Barkley would have started the last game if Kelly though he gave him a shot to win. He wasn’t even brought up.
Barkley for all intensive purposes is irrelevant to the QB picture here going ahead forward except as a depth guy.
yeah ok lol.. keep telling yourself that…i rip the simpleminded opinions and get a simple minded answer? awesome.. just what i had in mind.. thank you
Kelly got asked about Barkley directly playing in that last game and Kelly said ‘no’ he wasn’t considered.
Directly from Kelly’s mouth and in this situation I have little reason to see why he would have not answered it directly.
no shit genius… chip kelly is against playing any player who hasnt beat out the player in front of him. NO SHIT!!!! If Mark Sanchez was healthy, why the hell would you think the last week of the season Barkley finally beat out sanchez? you can be against chips beliefs and ignore them, but that will never change the reality of the situation… so you might want to try and figure out the coaches point of view instead of sticking with your ignorance. i dont agree with half the decisions this team makes, but when that happens i atleast try to figure out why the decision makers reached that conclusion, insteasd of just being a brat and post about how im against it
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as if “Depth QB”: positions dont matter… where the hell you see me ever discuss matt barkley in the context of a starting QB? SMH
You really can be an obnoxious jerk at times.
Yeah I do consider it a big deal when the coach says what he said about Barkley especially given Kelly’s comment regarding Sanchez after the Boys/Skins games.
I’d bet Barkley ends up exactly where he was at the end of last season to start the next one – No 3 on the depth chart and just a depth guy who knows the system.
i just get tired of suffering fools… there is a BIG difference.
Getting through the day as yourself must be pretty tough then.
i can assure you its not easy loving a team as much as every fan, yet know that 70% of what you are hearing every single fucking day isnt reality/… so yes, excuse me on the days i reach a tipping point,..
You don’t have to be so combative about something that is largely just idle speculation over a subjective topic/issue.
you answered your own question. he’s clearly not better than sanchez so what is he, a backup’s backup. he was a 4 yr starter at usc, he has tons of experience being a starting qb, he could just be not that good, like most usc qbs just aren’t that good.
if sanchez goes i think they find a new backup.
Like is said below, you kinda answered your own question. He couldn’t beat out Sanchez, so he wasn’t good enough to start…that’s what they think of him. No need to get salty.
Question – If the Eagles are going to try to renegotiate few deals including Williams, Ryan, Cooper, and possibly even McCoy when is the window likely closed for them to do so?
no window really, though i’d assume they’d want to have cap situation in hand prior to FA.
Whe their contract expires
I think people misunderstood the question, but it was a good question. If I can speak for both of us, when is the deadline to rework this coming year before the pay or cut decision needs to be made?
Yes and thanks for the clarification. I didn’t phrase it properly.
it’s contract specific, March 10 is beginning of new league year, it’s when salary cap stuff beings to be tabulated. However, a player’s contract determines when the money’s guaranteed.
I think it really only matters if the player has a roster bonus on like the 3rd day of the league year. Otherwise vet contracts don’t guarantee for the year until week 1.
You can restructure or cut all the way up until then with no real difference between doing it now except for maybe a roster or workout bonus.
Effectively though you want it done before FA so you know your budget. You may approach a vet later than that about taking a restructure if a high profile becomes available and you need to do some funny accounting.
Good stuff, thanks. I remember from past years, Vick (maybe) having a pretty substantial roster bonus that created a deadline. Do we know of any sizable bonuses due for the guys who might be reworked?
Shady has 250k in a roster bonus and another 250 k in workout bonus. Those are small numbers though, and with Shady it would more be funny accounting than cutting him, so no concern.
Peters has 500k for roster bonus and 250k for workouts, but i don’t think we’re going after that
Cole, Ryans, Celek: 25k, 100k, 75k respectively in workout bonuses, but those aren’t paid out until training camp so they aren’t too relevant at present.
Overall it looks like no we don’t have any big hits from bonuses this year.
Howie Roseman made his first public comments since the front office shake up,, Phillymag has the article up..
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Speaking at a panel in Boston during the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference,
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/03/01/eagles-notes-roseman-maclin-sanchez/#dh5566w7I1ffeZIl.99
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Roseman basically spelled out that you have to be a moron to trade a ton to move up for 1 player in round 1… either the “Marriotta bubble” has been popped, or this is the biggest attempt at a smoke screen as I ever seen? a guy using his platform speaking at a MIT pannel to create a smoke screen for chip kelly getting his guy?…. yeah i dont buy that, tastes like piss in my ear, not rain…
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and if you think we are getting Hundley in round 2, i have that bridge still for sale.. Hundley will be drafted at the end of round 1, so a team leaps over the other teams wanting to draft him at the beginning of round two, and get to have a 5th yr option on Hundley because they took him in round 1 instead of round 2..
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better start appreciating Nick Foles… LOL
If you read the whole thing, he also said that it sometimes is worth it.
the greatest smoke screen EVER!!!!. howie trying to get back into chips good graces!!! Howie just happened to talk about this at the perfect time when the entire world is talking about the eagles trading away their soul to move up 15 spots LOL
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do i have to quote the multiple times chip went into detail about how he is completely against that strategy, even using Les Bowans name as an Example?
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but kempski “keeps gathering more and more clues”… LOL cant wait til this is all over, and no more chip golden boys are in college.. wonder who the next QB prospect we gush over because of his punt returner skill set lOL
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why do I bother… chip can hand this city his entire offseason plan, and if it doesnt fit the simple minded media narrative, we still dont believe chip . if I was chip, i would just walk around divulging every single trade secret knowing that this city is so insane they wont believe me anyway
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he practically spelled it out that he wont play you over a more deserving player just because you make good money or were drafted high, yet people still equate Barkley not playing over sanchez the last game of the season to us being ready to kick Barkley out!
howie doesn’t make the decisions, so it really doesn’t matter what he says.
if a guy you analogize to peyton manning is in the draft you at lest explore what it would take to get him, i think you are naive if you don’t think they’ve done that, not just with mariota but with other players that think are great, normal diligence.
what their price is who knows but no doubt they’ve made the calls.
after losing his power struggle, I somehow HIGHLY DOUBT HOWIE is insane enough to be publically talking about how much he is against doing, exactly what people think Chip kelly is getting ready to do… doubt howie is crazy enough to push his luck again… next power struggle he loses wont come with a million dollar raise and multi year extension.. screw around and lose his wife acting a fool like that
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not as if its some secret, just look at NFL history to tell you, it NEVER works!!!
I agree with you but for all we know Howie may not even be in on “the plan”
not as if its some secret, just look at NFL history to tell you, it NEVER works!!! chip only pointed out how it blew up in the vikings face and saints faces before… of course there is nothing he can say to get anyone to drop the media narrative, EXACTLY HOW THE MEDIA HAD THIS ENTIRE CITY CONVINCED FOLES WAS TRADED WHEN CHIP WAS HIRED….. id like to try to learn from history and past mistake. heck I didnt even make the mistake, and im willing to learn from this fanbases mistakes, why dont yall join me?… how arent all of you that were duped into thinking foles would be traded, possibly not have learned ANYTHING? this media doesnt know much more then you do, believe me… stop defering to morons that know little more then you guys do.. there isnt a media member that can even telll you off the top of his head what a 3tecs responsibilities are in a given defensive set… stop deferring to unqualified people!!! you are better off thinking for yourselves
You’re on fire today my man. Keep preaching it to these lemmings who believe anything the clown media feeds them.
He probably committed to speak at the conference well before the front office shake up. I wouldn’t overanalyze things. He’s asked a question. He gives his opinion.
Howie is not insane. Look at how this could play out:
1. Eagles bundle everything, get Marrriottta and it backfires. Howie looks like the loyal, discarded voice of reason that should have been valued.
2. Eagles bundle everything, get Marrrriotttta and it works. No one remembers anything before the Lombardi.
3. Eagles don’t bundle everything for Mariota, because they tried and failed or because they never even tried. Howie looks like the calming influence that saw theough the frenzy and allowed calmer heads to prevail.
As long as Laurie doesn’t fire him for breaking ranks, he will come away looking great.
and NO, I dont read article.I rarely read ANY articles at all….. i dont give two focks about how dumb reporters interpret the quotes.. i skim thru every article and stop and read direct quotes from the people that matter…why would i care what Tim McManus thinks? what can i possibly get out of it? him telling me the eagles will trade Marquis Lee in round 1? no thanks, rather not have my thought process tainted by others…
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people still dont understand why marcus wasnt playing over 3 pro bowl level OLBs lol… chip shoudl just be brutally honest from here on out, and people are so absurd that it would create the greatest smoke screen ever
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i hope chip knows how lucky he is, and realizes how much damn fun he can have screwing with this local media
If you read more, maybe you would write better.
my apologies.,. i keep forgetting you are only allowed to post pro marriotta or pro hundley news that fits the desired narrative around these parts… NO I will NEVER read any Local article other then Sheil Kapadias all 22. because i dont believe the people who are writing the articles are qualified to taint fans opinions on football reality
This has nothing to do with Mariota (1 r and 1 t), Hundley or Foles.
I just find it odd that some of the things you said was already made clear in the article.
For a guy who does not read any local articles, you sure do know what all the local writers wrote about Foles
i have read every single howie quote from the Panel thank you very much(not from the phillymag article pal) excuse me but i dont remotely care about the writers interpretation of howies quotes… im interested in the meat and potatoes from football experts… ill leave defering to silly media to you… thank you very much.. mosher, les bowan, elliot parker im not at all interested in any of their opinions or interpretations of the quotes… i can interpret the quotes for myself thank you.. i encourage you to do the same
Broncos may be interested in Charles Clay from Miami.
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Is Clay also a FA?
What’s Miami planning to do for receivers in 2015? Landry, Wallace and a bunch of guys named “hope”?
Matt Hazel’s out of Coastal Carolina (seriously Myrtle Beach to South Beach, I hate him) should be a good complimentary receiver. It’s a deep draft at the position. I wouldn’t be too worried about it if I was a phins fan.
Eh, he could have just stopped in Charleston, SC and been in a far better place than either Myrtle or Miami.
Re: Big Moves Up in Rd 1 – Roseman’s Point v. the Data
Roseman’s comments at the MIT analytics conference (to which he committed when he still was the Eagles GM) are recounted in other comments.
Generally, HR said an all-in trade-up may not be a great idea if the presiding GM is hitting on 60% of his 1st Rd picks. (I wonder who he’s referring to there?)
On the other hand, HR said an all-in trade may have its place.
At least one commenter suggested such deals never work — by which I understand a move from 20+ into the Top 6.
NOTE: Since 2000, only 3 such deals have been made (Jets twice for DT Dewayne Robertson and QB Sanchez, Washington for QB Griffin). So there’s barely any data. Going further back, however, big moves worked out very well. The question is, how far one wants to go back.
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I was curious to see the actual trade data before firing off an opinion about Roseman’s CYA generalization.
By way of background, one study of ALL teams’ 1st Rd picks concluded that the selecting team hit on 1st Rd picks about 60% of the time.
That percentage varies drastically by position. For example, CBs are in the 40% area, QBs 30%, whereas OLs 75% and DLs 60%.
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So “Who’s the Best GM” with 1st Rd picks . . .
Steelers’ Steve Colbert’s above 75% since 2000.
Ozzie Newsome’s at almost 70% during that period.
Belichick the Elder close to 67% over that time.
Jerry Jones is a tad above 50% (as 4 of last 5 picks have been excellent).
The Bengals, run by the Brown family (I believe) are below 50% since 2000.
And the Raiders, run by the late Al Davis until 2013, are abt 25%.
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The next longest-tenured GM is the Saints Mickey Loomis (2002-present). He’s hitting a bit above 50%.
Then the Packers Ted Thompson (2005-persent). His inaugural 1st Rd choice was Aaron Rodgers. And he’s in the 65-70% neighborhood.
After Loomis, Jerry Reece at 8 years is the next longest tenured GM (2007-p). He’s hit on just 3 of 8, I think (37.5%).
No other NFL GM’s been choosing long enough to draw any especially well grounded conclusions.
For example, let’s say Roseman really was the GM of the Eagles pulling the trigger on 1st Rd picks from 2012-14. He’d come in at 67%. But 3 seasons just isn’t a statistically meaningful number (not that 10 is great, but it’s sure better than 3).
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So going back to Roseman’s point that an all-in trade-up generally is not a good decision if a teams GM is hitting on 60% of his 1st Rd choices.
That’s a great premise. No question.
But right now only 4 GMs in the entire NFL are that good over a long period.
So I’m not really sure how valid Roseman’s point is — without hearing him put some context to it.
much respect to Jeremy Maclin, this man needs to be rewarded by this franchise. no ifs ands or Buts… after Desean could be baited into running his mouth about contract problems minutes after a playoff loss. no matter how much the media has tred, Maclin hasnt said a word that could be twisted into negative click bait. thru agent changes, negotiations since last year, two days away from guys getting Tagged, and this man continues to make nothing but positive statements about working things out with the Eagles,,, This is how deserving, Quality Eagles who we should reward financial should act, and I think it would reflect extremely poorly on this franchise and the regime because there is no smeer campaign waiting to justify not paying Maclin. He has proved to be a beast in the 4th quarter for Foles, showing up when it matters like the #1 WR’s do, he has never gave us any problems off the field and has been a class act for over a year worth of contract talks..
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in the words of the illustrius scholar known as “Teddy KGB”… Pay-Z-Mayn his monies!!!!
Pretty easy for Maclin not to say anything.. Who is gonna replace him if he speaks out? Maclin can just sit back n do his thing coz hes either gonna get paid or Tagged.. If Maclin n DJax or another starting caliber WR were hitting FA same time on the team would think things will be a lil different.. He holds the power in this situation
Tag is not in play with Maclin via multiple folks. And good think, because Maclin isn’t worth anything close to $13 mil / season.
you don’t think they tag him this week? they really don’t have much other choice.
You absolutely cannot tag him and give him an indication that a $13 mil / season price is reasonable for a long term deal.
If you tag Maclin, it is only because you’re choosing to move on from him at the end of 2015 because he’s not reasonable about his value, but you can’t replace him until then.
yeah you arent seeing the big picture..reminds me when everyone was jumping down my throat last year for saying howuie was trying to lowball maclin into an extension when every media hack was assuming howie was trying to get a 1 year deal signed smh later we found out the hold up was howie trying to siugn him for 5 years, while mac insisted on 1 yr deal, and the truth set me free lol
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but hey, if people are batshit crazy enough to jettison foles and pay your soul for marriotta, then I hope maclin refuses to play for us and marriotta can throw to huff and jordan as far as im concerned..
Which is what? Let’s sign Maclin to an overvalued contract and lose out on other talent in a capped environment?
ok tell Maclin to kiss your ass… then you can have marriotta throw to Jordan and Huff, unless you get stuck paying more for Randall Cobb or Torrey smith, inferior WRs you have to start chemistry with all over…
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those are your options. wanna let Mac go, fine by me, i dont give a crap about offense… just make sure you understand what that would mean
I know it would leave the team somewhat hamstrung if Huff’s play doesn’t improve. But if Maclin gets a deal on the 5 / $55 or 5 / $60 range from another team while we get Torrey Smith at 5 / $37.5 or 5 / $40, I have an extra $4 mil / year to spend on other guys.
And given how much the ball should be in Shady’s hands, we could be very functional with a pass game of Shady, Ertz, Matthews, Huff, Torrey Smith. It wouldn’t be as good as Maclin for sure, but that extra $4 mil / year over the life of the deal is going to improve the team elsewhere.
Maclin IS NOT Brian Dawkins or Reggie White. He’s not a guy who I have to keep on the team at all costs.
Torrey smith thinks he is sooooo much better then he is. have fun negotiating with him while hack GMs tell him how great he is
You’re right on the talk, but what offers will show up.
I don’t know Smith can take a lid off of a D in a way that requires some adjustment in the positioning of the D backs in a way we lacked the ability to force in 2014.
with how incompetant and desperate some GMs are, I want no parts of bidding on the open market to save a few dollars while pissing on our locker room… show every young player in the locker room what being a class act and performing like a beast gets you… replaced over an extra mil… great idea, if we are talking about building my madden video game roster. not so much when dealing with people like Jordan Mathews who Maclin took under his wing during his contract year
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if you are willing to lose Mac, you better be talking to me about Demaryious Thomas, or i dont even want to hear it.. jus sayin..
We’ll see what shakes out.
yes sir… fair enough. no disespect intend. figured by now you can handle my passionate debate tone without getting your panties in a bunch… #respect
hey man, id gladly go back to days where we win games 14-3… i really dont care about that side of the ball. i care that the offensive is competent enough to not make it impossible for my D… you can blow the entire offense up and cut them all as far as im concerned. id like to see A DEFENSE i can enjoy again some day, and that can happen if the offense is punting the ball every 30 seconds… thats the only reason i remotely care aboutour offense…. i care about building a defense that doesnt let teams cross center field
So wouldn’t having the smarts to walk away from overpaying Maclin leave you with more money to improve the D?
sure… if you are telling me we will give Maclins money to a defender I love…works for me…. but knowing chip, I highly doubt we will be skimping our offense to build the next steel curtain
Yeah there is no way Eagles tag Maclin. I love the guy but I seriously doubt that even he puts himself in elite WR category. How about 5 years for 50M, 20M guaranteed and front loaded so last 2 years are painless for Eagles?
I will not pay Maclin $10 mil / year. Jordy Nelson doesn’t get $10 mil / year, so Maclin isn’t worth more than Nelson. If I called Green Bay to trade Maclin for Nelson straight up at the same salary; I’d get laughed off the phone.
Why isn’t Maclin worth more than Nelson?
beczause Nelson catches passes from Rodgers…duh!!
Exactly, if we had Rodgers, Maclin would be considered an elite receiver. He had The Sanchez throwing to him for over half the year and still only put up 200 less yards than Jordy……. Plus Maclin is as much of a puss. Nelson dropped several big catches last year, Maclin made them all and, as oreofestar pointed out, Nelson is 2 years older.
you dont have to tell me man. personally after what i saw this year, jordy nelson is a yellow belly pussy! 50mil to defer like a bitch to richard sherman… what a joke. i dont even want to hear jordys name when tal;king about Mac
Josh Gordon would be in the HoF already if he had Rodgers throwing to him then.
You would think Greg Jennings and James Jones would show people the impact of an elite QB
And you would think an elite WR would show the impact of below average to subpar QBs.
I don’t disagree
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i don’t ever remember hearing “Self tacklin'” as part of a nickname for Jordy..
Did you see his dropped passes this year in big moments? I cant think of at least one against the Seahawks. Maclin made several tough catches this year and put his “self tacklin” misnomer to rest.
How so? Because he stepped up in a contract year? Please. I’m not letting it slide after one season where he bet on himself.
Don’t get me wrong, I definately want Maclin back, but Jordy is a better receiver.
Marginally perhaps. Put Maclin with Rodgers and he puts up identical if not better numbers.
You are ignoring the fact that one is older and the cap is 10mil higher than when Jordy signed. That’s like telling Cobb I’m not giving you 8m cuz you’re not better than Antonio Brown
Also I just did the math Jordy made 9.75mil on a 133mil cap which is the equivalent to 10.5mil on the new cap,
if people arent willing to take the changes in market into account, we wont be able to have an honest and factual debate..
not to mention i doubt anyone really cares how much we pay Maclin…front offices care about how much money theyu are allocating for a position as a hole. they know they will cut Coop next year, and all that will be left is jordan and Huff on rookie contracts, so truth is, we can afford to pay Maclin whatever it takes…and its really not a big deal…. obiously you still have to ngotiate the best terms we can, but I doubt we see the eagles walk away from the negotiation table when we have no money invested in the WR positrion, which is how GMs and Front Offices view things
Yeah and paying Mac 10m would bebe like paying him 9.3 last year
yup!!! plus, at the end of the Day, YOUR VALUE is what YOU can negotiate in the CURRENT MARKET, so all these other past contracts are just ngotiation tools… dont reflect the true value of keeping or ,losing Maclin..just negfotiation parameters..
Yeah and paying Mac 10m would be like paying him 9.3 last year
Ya think? It would’t likely be 10M/year if the landscape changed.
yea it’s not happening. Supposedly the sides are close, and he wants to be here. Plus, he was at an Eagles charity event despite not having a contract this week. No tag needed
tag is absolutely in play! better odds that he gets tagged, then not get tagged
You could be right, but Adam Caplan was insistent about the tag not being something the Eagles were inclined to use.
eagles dont have a choice. he most likely gets tagged… that doesnt mean he will ever cash a check that reflacts that of te franchise tag, but Maclin will be tagged, because he wants to be tagged. he wants to buy time negotiating exclusively with the Eagles keeping him off the market but sti;ll get to hold off on signing his extension til he sees other Wr set the price on the market…so i dont care what simple minded Caplan said, he turned hack when he went national anyway
Mac will be tagged, only to hold his rights and buy more time negotiating the extension with the eagles.. simple as that. fat chance getting maclin to sign an extension bvefore another WR sets the market… business savy 101
i have seen too many jackass athletes in town to not appreciate a class act in every sense of the world when I see one…Its not like Maclin has cleaned up his act since contract time started. He has been a class act since the day we drafted him…
I read this last night and I’m channeling Bobby McFerrin.
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pete-prisco/25083212/why-chip-kelly-needs-to-trade-up-to-reunite-with-marcus-mariota
Prisco’s piece got me to see the other side in a more friendly way. I am pulling for Foles, but as someone commented, he needs to take a step, and nobody knows for sure if he will. My argument has always been based on what we do not know about MM. We have seen Foles play great, and we have seen him play bad, so we believe in the kid, love his mental and physical toughness, his work ethic and we project good things to come, at least that is where I have been. Good once can be good again and hopefully good consistently.
Contrast that with a kid who has a Heisman because he played in a hurry-up offense that masked ball location and got the jump on their opposition more often than not. He was part of a very good, athletic offense that outpaced the opposition consistently. As the leader, he has been prodigiously successful. But…he’s pretty green when it comes to taking snaps under center, dropping back where everybody knows he’s throwing, hitting a covered receiver and paying the price for standing in the pocket.
The questions on Mariota are not there for Winston. Ability wise, Winston is pretty much a known commodity. Gil Brandt recently wrote that Winston is the immediate answer, but Mariota may have the last laugh. Up to now, I thought it was a ludicrous idea to sacrifice capital and talent ( or the opportunity to acquire talent) for such an unknown. Now I know this particular thread has been worn threadbare, but here’s the thing. While none of us knows CK’s plans, the speculation that he may attempt to go for MM is neither irresponsible nor baseless. if we merely parse his lukewarm assessment of Nick after the Giants game, his expressed affection for MM, and his contrarian indifference to what most anyone else thinks, it is not a stab in the dark – if it was, it would die a natural death. The very fact that this topic has been THE story of the off-season is suggestive if not indicative. If there is anything of merit to the speculation, if, in fact, Kelly goes for his boy, it will not be because he has to have a mobile QB, it won’t be a vindication for all of the postulations that this offense only works with a mobile threat, and lastly, it will not slam the door on Foles. If Kelly gets MM it will be his educated, insightful wager that the kid will pick up everything he needs to to play NFL QB at a high level.. None of the prognosticators have Kelly’s perspective or his football pedigree. Prisco shows how costly a move up would be, and I am not crazy about going that way. I much rather build the franchise brick by brick and comb the landscape for a future QB, but if Kelly has doubts about Foles’ timetable, or if he has very few doubts about MM’s adaptability, then I’m good either way. What I learned is the argument that all of those lost picks will delay greatness or the team’s “arrival” is made with blinders. Scot McGloughan, the great, proven talent evaluator said he’s wrong half of the time. If our new FO is getting things right, we may miss the picks it would take to move up, but it is not a given.
Do it. At this point I will be disappointed if they don’t.
in a sport were injuries are such a major factor, i find the idea of trading a bunch of picks or players for one player ABSURD!
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the risk of what happened to the Skins, should be enough to have the discipline to not pay such an absurd price.. Too many injuries in this sport. and you need to many pieces around you for any player to be successful, that i cant see the argument for trading the farm for any player at any position,, maybe if we had the seahawks roster and we were one player away, but for us to do it in year 3, i dont get it at all
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Clowney was more cant miss then marriotta/… imagine if we traded the farm to get clowney a year ago?
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top pick clowney didnt make it thru his rookie year, top pick rg3 didnt make it thru rookie year… cant do these crazy trades in this sport. imagine trading away 3 years worth of your future for a player who gets hurt during his rookie year and might never be the same? no thanks… and i dont care what player we are discussing… just my 3 cents..
I stood & applauded. lets all cut & paste & print this and mail to team front office.
think the injury component is the permanent wild card in this sport now and hope they feel the way G Eagle does!
Then start with not resigning maclin. He’s been injured before
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he’s been a great eagle and done well. but he wont be signed at any price… the mariotta issue is one of trading a boatload of future picks and money > we lose picks and we lose money. like u said Maclin injury shows that every player gets injured. if we could have mariotta for maclin’s salary and maclin’s draft slot ..sure take all you can get.
are you really going to argue with someone comparing signing Maclin after proving to come back like a beast from an injury is the same as dumping 3, 4 high draft picks on a player…. analytic departments crunch the numbers on all the probabilities and odds for every scenario…. the effects of a player you gave a contract to or spend a draft pick on getting hurt or being a bust, is childs play
This debate keeps bringing back the Jimmy Johnson parallels, but in a bizarro form. He acquired lots of picks by trading, and ostensibly used his inside college intel to hit big on some of them. This story about Kelly is almost the opposite. His inside knowledge may given him a better sense of the risk/reward on Mariota than just about anyone else, but it would involve giving up a bunch picks.
I think Kelly’s knowledge probably gives him a leg up in drafting for a few years, an it should help him better value big trades either up or down. And I am really curious whether he’s smarter than everyone else or just thinks so. Though, your point about injuries is a really good one.
I don’t think Kelly would not make a move out of fear there’s a 1 in 10 chance the player may get hurt.
Look around the NFL. The very best quarterbacks rarely miss time.
Kelly is not a fear guy.
I think the key to this move is Foles being a viable NFL QB. With this being a poor QB draft depth wise Foles has some real value. Trading him will offset a lot of what it would take to get Mariota making it far less risky. Add in Chip’s personal experience as a huge advantage of evaluating Mariota and it limits that risk more. I am a big Foles guy, but if Chip feels MM is worth it and we can recoupe picks by trading Foles I am all fo it.
i just hope foles gets traded to the bills… tired of this. trade him to a team who I like to watch…
Griffin started 16 games his rookie season, including the playoffs. But your point abt his injury stands
Cousins started one. He got hurt during the Ravens game and Cousins started the next game. The fact that they kept playing him probably has helped ruin him.
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“The Broncos offered Demaryius a deal worth $13
million annually last summer, but Thomas was “seeking something north of
$15 million per.” He proceeded to set the Broncos’ franchise record
for receiving yards (1,619).” roto
wow – if that’s what those guys are asking mac has to be in the 12-13 range. wow. i’d look at cobb at that price.
He is as good as gone if that is the case. I don’t think he’ll be back even if he north of $11M+
Mosher has since tweeted that he’s changed his mind and doesn’t think they’ll tag him.
of course they will, mac wont sign now. he isnt stupid. he wants to be tagged unless he meet his total asking price, but when i say Mac will be tagged, people need to stop thinking about it in terms of him playing the year on the Tag, that will never happen… If Eagles cant keep him off the open market they will tag him, for the sole purpose of retaining exclusive negotiation rights, keeping him off the open market and giving us and Maclins people more time to reach an agreement..
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Maclin isnt dumb, you either blow him away now, or he will force you to tag him, keep negotiating with the eagles, but string them along til the market open and some other WR signs and sets the market because Mac assumes that will be in his favor
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so when i talk about Maclin getting tagged, its just a bullshit formality to buy time for the sides to keep exclusively negotiating.. If Mac gets the tag its really not a big deal, because before the 2015 season starts, the franchise tag will be removed and they will announce an extension for Maclin and he wont ever cash a check that reflects that financial tag… by the time he cashes his first game check its guaranteed to be an extension, not the tag he gets slapped with now… eagles and Maclin will work this out, he will play for us next year on a multi year deal, the only difference is he might have to be tagged first to buy more time til we reach an agreement on the extension….Maclin will be extended before he plays another game as an eagle, to reach that point he may have to be temporarily tagged, not a big deal, not like we will let him play the year out on the Tag
I disagree Thomas is arguably a top 5 wr ( I think he is) and is definitely elite, Macs best season still wasn’t in Thomas range
3 seasons of 1400+ yards and 10+ TDs. That’s elite.
assuming thomas is 10-20% more productive than maclin that still put maclin around 12m.
By that logic Coop had like half of his production last year so we should have signed him to 7.5mil a year
If Maclin had Peyton Manning throwing to him, I think he put up similar production.
If Mac asks for 13 million a year I laugh and tell him to go find it.
No, Thomas is over shooting. I think Maclin may be in between 10-11m a year.
I assume an offer like that is what it will take to not have to tag him til he sees another WR set the market… then again, i find it hard to believe he would sign any deal right now. he has too much leverage to sign now… eagles played themselves, they jettisoned Desean, Coop flopped and needs to be cut next year, and they let Mac have a one year deal without insisting on year 2, so now they gotta deal with the monster their actions created…
Mentioned a few days ago that a Browns insider article showed a picture of Vinny Curry. It was a pay article that I couldn’t read so that suggested to me that maybe they had interest in trading for Curry. As it turns out, they had posted a picture of the wrong player. They’ve updated the article with a picture of Brandon Graham and the article does state they have interest in him as an UFA.
i think tables turned we’d have interest in a productive guy who is not a system fit.
Brown’s can’t seem to do much right nowadays. Lol.
Whoever granddaddy Haslem was; he must have been the dumbest human being alive. His one grandson is a terrible meddlesome owner and his other grandson is a terrible governor.
John Clayton(from Seattle) thinks Maxwell go to either the Jaguars or the Eagles.
was waiting for the Jaguars to pop up as a suitor… makes more sense then the Jets who are cromartie bound…
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of course chip kelly to,d us 600 times that he doesnt tell anyone anything and we have a history of no leaks, so while i would like it to be true, as a fan who would love to see us sign Max, I would rather our name not be connected to him right now… If Im hearing Maxwell, my brain cant help but to go right to smoke screen for someone else?
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just like last year when the market was about to start we heard rumors connecting us to that over rated Bum mike mitchell, but as soon as the market opened it was all jenkins
Maybe you were correct in our discussion that we had earlier Geagle, in that Jets have become more interested in Cromartie.
no worries… they were always more interested in cromartie, atleast since bowles was hired..
Cro played both in NYJets and for Bowles. That makes too much sense.
Yeah it does. The basis of what I was saying earlier relied on the report of his services landing in either Philly or NY. Also that Jets have 40m in cap space, and wanted top tier CB help so bad they illegally tampered with Revis. Next best CB up would be Maxwell.
assuming a single word of those rumors is even true,,, doesnt pay to tell the truth this time of year
Your absolutely correct. However all’s we can really do at this time of year is listen to these rumors and try to go with the ones that may make sense. When a conflicting report comes out then we try to dissect it and see if it makes more sense then the previous report. If it does then we may run with it. That’s the fun but also aggravating part of the off season.
sad but true… the most frustrating part of the year. the time when we are all starved for every bit of info we can get, yet most of what we hear is to mask and hide the real intentions…. dont get much more frustrating then that…
If Maxwell had any brains he would not go to that crap hole of a team in Jacksonville. The only way I see that happening is the over paying for him. I guess he would be reunited with Bradley, however he wasn’t really that big of a contributor when Bradley was Seattle’s DC.
He has one chance in his career to make stupid money. If the Jags go hog wild on overpaying him, I’ll wish him well.
Same concept with Maclin here. I’ll pay him $9 mil / year with a guarantee structure that mirrors the Cooper contract and protects the Eagles in the event Maclin’s knee junks again. If his agent has found out through the mystic arts of tam-per-ing that a team wants to give him 5 years / $55 or $60 mil with a better guarantee structure; I’ll wish Maclin well as well.
I never get mad at a dude who maxes out with stupid money from another team. I just get mad if my team gives out a stupid contract that doesn’t pan out.
I agree, like I said only way it happens is if Jax over spends.
I don’t blame them if they do. Bradley knows Maxwell anyway.
Jax n Eagles will be forever linked….
so, dont mean to beat a dead horse, but i want to make sure i got this straight, dont want to misunderstand anyone lol… Allegedly, my headcoach LOVES this kid who he coached who is in the draft, who he knew for years would most likely come out in this draft, and he is soooo desperate for this QB that he is willing to trade up for #20 paying a kings ransom that could take important draft picks we desperately need(because we arent good enough) for the next couple years… Yet, my headcoach wasnt willing to play Barkley in a meaningless finale trying to tank the last game which could have dropped us to #16 instead of #20 which is a HUGE difference? i know no one has the balls to say chip wasnt aware of what winning and losing that game meant considering the man has detailed evaluations of each friggin NFL Officiating crew… A coach who was Sooooooo Desperate to get this top 3 pick wouldnt put Barkley in during a meaningless finale, when he was perfectly justified doing so once we were eliminated? heck most of the fanbase was against him, and wanted to play Barkley
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Chip is sooo desperate that he will pay the most absurd of prices, but he wasnt willing to play a 3rd string QB in a meaningless game that would have had pretty significant draft ramifications, saving us atleast 1 of our picks if we only have to move up from 16 instead of 20? out of curiousity, how dumb does chip kelly look?
Good point. Another way to think about it. I personally believe that us going after MM is a smoke screen, and the only way it happens is if MM drastically falls in the draft. Maybe if the Oline wasn’t so old and was still talented. I could see it then because the other holes could be addressed through FA.
totally agree
I personally think Eagles will be ok with Foles. I don’t see any need to make this move and I still don’t see any evidence other than the media/fans making this stuff up.
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Here’s how I look at the numbers. IF the Eagles fixed all their defensive holes(I’m not sure they use FA for the guard spot) AND trade for this QB will mean — 2 to 3 years before this kid can make an impact. How long would the FA just signed to fix these holes be signed for? I’d imagine 3 year deals max. Chip is already here years. That puts us 6 years into Chips system of being mediocre. That sound like a good plan?
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The ONLY way this would make sense would be to keep Foles and fix secondary in FA. All those other draft picks would be back ups anyway and with Foles in the mix, with an improved defense, the team wouldn’t be drafting high the next few years anyway and this young QB will have time to grow. (I still don’t buy it).
PREACH IT!!! The Gospel of the Yank!!!
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but, but, but did you see how fast he can run? he went to Oregon duh!!
I think it’s a sign that Riley Cooper disappeared from my Eagles calendar…
doubt too many people will shed a tear…. I sure BOTCHED that prediction…… thought there was no way we could take Coop away from our young developing QB, yet we kept him and he was nonexistent anyway… Coops contract will be off the books next year and besides maclin they will be paying two cheap rookie WR contracts so they have no money invested in the WR position, so they can really pay Maclin whatever and it doesnt even matter.. teams care about how much you are spending on the WR position as a hole, not how much 1 WR is getting, that only comes into play when you have too much money already invested in position..
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sure we keep Mac.. jordan and huff have 3 more years of cheap contract, wouldnt mind drafting a WR and signing a stop gap veteran WR to a two year deal this year or next(probably next when we axe coop)
it wasn’t you…but I remembering arguing we paid a #3 wr number 2 money. I’m still a big fan of Cooper. I like his grit/toughness. I’m ok with JM and Mac as 1 and 2.
oh no, i was all for keeping Coop. I keeps it real everytime I swing and I miss… I asbsolutely botched that!!!! no ifs ands or buts… all i can do is try to learn from my mistakes
If they don’t go whole hog into free agency this year (and retain Maclin OR draft WR early OR get a vet WR via trade); Cooper might might sense to cut a year early just to bite the bullet and get him off of the cap / roster now.
http://overthecap.com/player/riley-cooper/777
Report just came in that officially states Birds and Cole working on restructuring.
Hopefully for a $1.6 million dollar salary. That would make is cap number for the year equal to his dead money if we cut him.
yeahj but last i heard it was NJ.com report which is basically a sports tabloid… anyone with a shred of credibility confirm it since NJ.com got one of its super sources to “talk”? sure hope so
Your correct. It was a NJ.com report that Bleacher Report sent to my phone.
hahahaha that doesnt necessarily mean it wont be true
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If I was a media hack like shorr parks and I just threw shit at the wall hoping it sticks, i would probably have the cole restructure story as my best bet to throw crap at a wall that actually ends up sticking….. Hopefully a nice team friendly cole contract is announced today no matter who reports it
Dude we ALL understand that. All’s I’m saying is that a report came through. Again we ALL understand this. You are not light years smarter then everyone else. A report is a report, if it’s false it’s still a report.
huh? i was agreeing with you… a little reading comprehension please. direct quote ” that doesnt necessarily mean it wont be true” aka you arent wrong….UNDERSTAND?? get it? got it? good 🙂
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and please dont ever defend elliot jackass parks to me again… i beg you. thats off limits!!~!!
Lol, in that case I’m sorry. At work doing a million things at once.
no worries, you will probably be putting up with me today. I feel like a crackhead… at 11pm last night I start watching the first episode of the 45minute show “Vikings”.. I proceeded to watch the entire first season,all 9, 45 minute episodes, starting 11pm last night, didnt sleep a wink, and im on my way to work… over some damn discovery channel Vikings smh Ragnor Lothbrook is a badass, but he is basically a fake knockoff Jax Teller
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im on my 2nd coffee since like 6am, and im delirious… so trust me, no worries, everyone gets a free pass from me today
I partially attribute my crappy Monday to binge watching episodes of Lost on Netflix all night long. That and the fact it’s just Monday.
Skip the last season…
Is it that bad? Everyone keeps telling me that. Please don’t give anything away, but it’s really that bad? So I might be better off watching everything besides the last season, and then just playing the last season in my mind of how I want it to go?
First season was awesome…havnt gotten around to finishing the second yet though.
I literally stayed up all night to watch the entire first season. Good show but I have to admit Ragnar Lothbrook is a cheap Jax teller knockoff
The last safety we had that hailed from Clemson was Brian Dawkins, so I’m down for taking a look at him.