The Plan
Posted: February 18th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 265 Comments »I can’t wait until the summer. First, it will be warm and fun to go outside. Children will run through the park, eating Funyuns and telling stories about the horrible Jimmy Bama monster that lives in the woods and will attack anyone who doesn’t love stick-figure drawings.
We’ll also have a series of signings and draft picks to review. We’ll have a better feel for how Chip Kelly did in his first turn at running the personnel side of things.
Pablo Torre wrote a great piece on Sixers GM Sam Hinkie for ESPN. I don’t know what you think of Hinkie. I find him utterly fascinating. Regardless of what we think, one thing we know for a fact…he has a plan. You may not like the plan. You may like his ideas, but question whether the plan will work. But the plan is there.
I don’t pretend to know enough about the NBA to know if the plan will work. I still think of Steve Mix and Clint Richardson as Sixers so that should tell you just how out of touch I am.
I do wonder if Chip Kelly has any type of plan for building the Eagles roster. Some guys believe in having a specific plan. Others have a more casual plan. Some simply focus on talent.
Jimmy Johnson loved trading back in the draft to load up on picks. He felt that helped his odds. He loved having big draft classes if he could help it.
Ernie Accorsi focused on pass rushers and the QB when building a roster. This worked well when putting together the Giants title team of 2007 (most of the guys were his players even though he retired prior to that year).
Ozzie Newsom and the Ravens seem to keep things simple and focus on finding the best players.
All of these strategies helped build good teams and champions. You don’t need to have an in-depth Hinkie type of plan.
I tend to like GMs/coaches that go into a draft with a plan. You can’t force things, but you can have specific goals. Ron Wolf went into the 1999 draft wanting big CBs to help deal with Randy Moss, who had just come into the league and looked dominant. Wolf also wanted to draft a QB, either to develop as a player or asset. He also liked taking chances on small school guys late in the draft.
1st round CB Antwaun Edwards was more role player than starter. 3rd rounder Mike McKenzie became a very good starter. QB Aaron Brooks was a 4th round pick. A year later Wolf dealt him to the Saints for a 3rd rounder (and a couple of forgettable players were involved). In the 7th round, Wolf took WR Donald Driver from Alcorn State. Wolf’s ideas didn’t work all the time, but they certainly did that year.
Based on Kelly’s talks with the media, you would think he would be the type not to have a specific plan. I can see him saying “Let’s go find some good players.” But Kelly doesn’t open up for the media very often. We might get simplistic soundbites, but they may not accurately reveal what he’s thinking.
As long as Chip gets good players, I’ll be a happy camper.
I will be curious to find out his thoughts and ideas behind the picks. It doesn’t mean anything significant, but I like to know how the Eagles drafter thinks. I understood Big Red for most of his career (although he got different at the end). I had some feel for Howie Roseman and what he liked. I’m back to square one with Kelly.
Can’t wait to see what he does…as long as he gets it right.
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Did everyone forget about Foles vs the raiders? So he had a down year last year while our oline was hurt and the most inconsistent they were of the whole season. I say keep the optimism high on Foles and keep him as our starter next season. If he ends up not living up to his potential well the draft is like eBay…youre stoked when you see what you want right then and there but the truth is if foles doesn’t play well next year then we’ll probably have a higher draft pick and similar to eBay there will be hot new “items” for sale next year with more money (higher draft pick). Keep Foles as our starter!!
having watched that all 22 a thousand times it’s clear to me that raiders sucked as bad as foles was good
Focusing on an outlier game probably isn’t the best predictor of future success.
No but it does help to establish a ceiling, yes?
I suppose, assuming we ever play a team as awful as Oakland was that year, and Kelly somehow introduces a brand new scheme again that there isn’t much tape on…then absolutely.
I believe the Raiders were in the top half of defenses that year.
come on man, no room for your silly facts..
lmao are you kidding? They were 29th in points/game and 22nd in yards/game.
WHEN WE PLAYED THEM. They dropped a lot after we played them and played like complete crap after that. I’m not arguing they FINISHED 29th/game in points.
We don’t have to focus on the outlier game his accuracy in general was phenomenal that season which is why Im keeping my optimism about Foles high to the sky where the EAGLES FLY! Accuracy is effected by time in the pocket which is directly effected by the O line which Foles had the worst of this season. Im just glad our current starting quarterback of the sexiest team in the league the PHILADELPHIA EAGLES has his jersey up in the hall of fame already while he’s still a young, developing quarterback in a league where developing a QB is crucial. Yea you keep that 7 TD record tying jersey right there in Canton next to Manning and ill keep my optimism and hopes high because its definitely NOT time to move on yet! (Not gonna lie I’m definitely intrigued about how a chip/mariota reunion could* turn out) but from what I’ve been seeing lately in this league I’m not really sure i want a mobile QB even if it does provide more options for our playbook. Ill take that accurate pocket QB over a mobile playmaking QB any day just take a look around the league lately. wheres #2 pick RG3? geno? vick? vince young? besides for wilson they all seem to get hurt much faster when it comes to real nfl linebackers laying them out. Give me an accurate QB and a stud O line and lets go get that ring baby!!
And that would’ve been an outlier game for any QB just saying aha
your right… better to focus on the games where he was playing with 3 interior undrafted young players all lined up next to each other making their first career starts….thats a much more “realistic” way to judge our young QB LOL
What about the game where he had 4 out of 5 starters?
lol what about them? you talking about when he was busy going 6-2 no matter how horrible the circumstances?.. Wonder how insane his record lookms if the defense didnt blow his lead against the saints and Nate didnt let the WR against the cardinals piss away our comeback win?… you lucky the defense hasnt been elite yet or his record would be so insane you wouldnt even know what to say.. 16-4 no matter what the circumstances.. easily could be 18-2 with two extra defensive plays being made… but yeah lets drool over QB prospects, its what we do this time of year anyway, why would i expect anything smarter this year?
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Fuck continuity! lets get two new QBs every single offseason of the chip era!!! Now THATS a fuckin PLAN!!! lol
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why stop at Marriotta? we are losing sanchez, lets get Marriotta and Hundley.. we can have them race after practice for the starting QB position..
I know you don’t like to hear anything about Saint Nick, but the defense was rated 8th by Football Outsiders during that time, so he _did_ have a good D when he was healthy. Also, the special teams were doing incredible things that will never be repeated. During the time the offensive line was in shambles and Shady sucked, Foles made a bunch of good plays and a bunch of bad ones. The result was a winning record.
I kept waiting for the offense to improve as people started to get healthy. But it didn’t really happen. The offense stayed about as inconsistent and turnover prone as it looked from the first month or so (which is how things usually work in the NFL). Meanwhile, the defense plummeted and special teams miracles stopped occurring.
I think it’s fair to speculate that the league began to figure out what Nick could and could not do as well. If Chip can get the running game going gangbusters again, I can see Nick returning to something like 2013 effectiveness. I think he’s a bit too error-prone to rely on to be the major engine of the offense like prime Brady or Manning. For that reason, I think his ceiling is a low top-ten QB.
Which, if the team around him is strong enough, is good enough.
Just to play devil’s advocate. Chip won’t have all the insider info on that “hot new item next year”. I think if Chip wants to mortgage the future for Mariota, how can anyone question that? Chip has been in the NFL for 2 years. He has a pretty good idea of what works and what doesn’t. If he feels like he needs Mariota to take us to the next level. Go get him.
Chip would be projecting how the new QB would fit the system as opposed to knowing for sure with Mariota.
I like Hinkie’s plan. Any other plan depends on a lot of luck. The Sixers will need some luck too, but they have more lottery tickets than anyone else.
The NBA and the NFL are very different and perhaps it’s not fair to compare the two, but if Hinkie was running the show for the Eagles it’s logical to assume he would have been demoted by Chip Kelly for not being “a football guy.”
I liked Roseman because he wasn’t a football guy. Hopefully Marynowitz is enough of a numbers guy to save Chip from himself.
I think Boston has more lottery picks (thanks again, Billy King) than the Sixers, but that’s besides your point.
Don’t the Cavs pick first every year?
Jeez, that team is absolutely loaded with talent right now. I wonder how many other teams have had so many great individual players.
Boston might have more future picks, but they do not have Embiid who projects as one of the best players the last 10 years and right now we have greater chance to get a high 2015 pick
If we get the #1 overall this year….I expect us to take Okafor….no question…..figure out what to do with the extra bigs if needed…..people seem to like DeAngelo Russell as a 2 for us…..the problem is that while he can stroke the 3 ball and he is young (FR at O State)….he cannot defend other 2 guards in the league consistently….his plus/minus on the court will most likely not allow us to play him extended minutes or start him….
I think it will be Towns at no. 1. Cant see Hinkie taking a big that has zero clue on how to do anything defensive at all
Regarding Russell, I think he can defend good enough if he is covered by Embiid, Noel, MCW and a guy like KJ
I can buy some interest in Towns…..but from what I have seen Okafor is the best prospect…he is a 5 with legit back to the basket moves….Do I want him 12 to 15 out from the basket….nope..at least not yet…..but I don’t want Towns there either…. now Okafors defense needs work (although based upon your response we may disagree as to how much work)…..I like Towns in that he is playing a lot with Willie Cauley Stein and Calipari demands defensive effort…..in some games I have seen Towns deny guards in the lane in that guards cannot penetrate even when Towns has been pulled away from the rim…..as far as offense goes…..Okafor is the better prospect and I don’t think it is close…..finding 5’s with NBA offensive game is very hard nowadays…..name the top 5 centers??? Dwight Howard is the only one that is a top 10 to 20 player……I love Deandre Jordan but that guy is not an real offensive threat ….if we take the best prospect it is Okafor at 1 overall….plus we already have a big that can clean up shit in Nerlens Noel…..
Numbers guys don’t like the Sixer’s plan. They are banking on top talent falling into their laps and then hoping, as a team, they can somehow switch gears and learn how to win. Top picks often flame out, and who better to screw them up than an incompetent team like the Sixers? They are more likely to wind up with a couple Darkos than Durants in exchange for this disgraceful farce.
Other plans for building teams depend on front office skill. No one is surprised anymore when the Spurs find a diamond in the rough because they know what they are doing–not because they are lucky. The GM of the Raptors also knows how to build a team, and not by being lucky. I would say that Dallas does too, but I have to say recent acquisitions have been questionable.
http://wagesofwins.com/2012/04/02/why-tanking-doesnt-work-in-the-nba/
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/04/hoop-dreams/358627/
Round 1 Pick 22 (PITT): Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 24 (PITT): Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State (A)
Round 2 Pick 27 (DEN): Hroniss Grasu, C, Oregon (B)
Round 3 Pick 20: Lorenzo Mauldin, OLB/DE, Louisville (B+)
Round 3 Pick 28 (DEN): Jalen Collins, CB, LSU (A-)
Round 4 Pick 14: Stephone Anthony, ILB, Clemson (B-)
Round 4 Pick 20: Kurtis Drummond, FS, Michigan State (B-)
Round 5 Pick 20: Ellis McCarthy, DT, UCLA (B+)
Round 6 Pick 20: Max Valles, OLB, Virginia (C-)
Round 7 Pick 20: Tre McBride, WR, William & Mary (A)
Pretty big fan of this draft as well. I maybe should have nabbed Fisher with the 27th in the second round. However, I was able to restock our talent depleted secondary and nab some LB’s with upside. Got my man Strong even though Coates was available. I guess one could argue we need a deep threat but Maclin was quite the deep threat last year and even though Strong is not “fast” he is great at running routes and I think he can get open downfield at the next level.
You have a lot of first rounders falling apparently…this would be awesome, but there is no way in hell anyone will have Trae Waynes, Jaelen Strong, Lorenzo Mauldin and Jallen Collins…those are all REALLY good players man…what do you mean you were able to do these things? How did you go about this mock? How did you decide those players I mention all fell so far?
Firstpick.com. Waynes could fall to 22. If Strong’s speed is really a concern…. maybe but I see him in the early second. Mauldin will probably go in the 2nd too. Jalen Collins is a bit of a project but the last part of the 3rd round is too late. It’s by no means perfect but it is kinda fun this time of year to see how many good players you can get. Media Mike and I do this all the time.
I just did one this morning:
Round 1: Bud Dupree, OLB (30)
Round 2: Paul Dawson, ILB (20)
Round 2: Chris Hackett, FS (24)
Round 2: Alex Carter, CB (30)
Round 3: Preston Smith, DE (20)
Round 3: Garrett Grayson, QB (30)
Round 4: Ibraheim Cambell, SS (14)
Round 4: Tyler Lockett, WR (20)
Round 5: Robert Myers, OL (20)
Round 6: Xavier Williams, DT (20)
Round 7: Malcom Brown, RB (20)
Traded back once with Pitt from (1-20 for 1-22 and 2-24). Landon Collins and Trae Wayns were picked. Was thinking crap…so traded back with GB (1-22) for 30 in 1,2,3)
Unrealistic, but they are fun.
They are indeed fun. I watched Hacket play the other day and I dnt think he is worth a second rounder. I don’t see anything particularly special intheway he plays expect for his size. I think he would be a good 4th rounder. I’m not criticizing you just getting out how I feel about him after I heard people say they noticed home while watching Dawson.
Hackett isn’t a great tackler, but it’s due to not having filled out his frame yet, he takes good angles, jumps routes, has range, decent hands.
But he’s not a top 100 for me because of one key reason.
He doesn’t trust his eyes.
He could be a top 5 safety in 3 years or just as likely out of the league.
I 100% think Kelly has a plan for everything. The question depends on where he lies in the draft spectrum.
Is he the Ozzie+Belichick style who just draft good players who fits their boards or is he more the Ron Wolff (and Howie style), who likes to play the draft and wanna “maximize” value, aka why draft Jordan Matthews in the first if you can get him in the second.
probably Ozzie+Belichick style
yea, that would be my guess after hearing stories coming out. Like he wanted Matthews in the 1st and Hart in the 3rd.
People would be so much happier about the 2014 draft if we had drafted Matthews in the 1st and x player in the 2nd.
Plan – Draft all draft-eligible Oregon players, the ones you don’t have picks for, sign as UDFAs.
We have lots of bama guys so i think it’s going to be split 50-50 Pac 12 / SEC players.
Considering that Chip is the kind of coach who wants to know what ingredients are in the cafeteria ketchup so he can plan for and optimize the players nutritional needs/intake, I have a feeling that Chip wouldn’t be casual about the draft. His plan might involve nonconventional areas that we don’t typically think of in draft preparation , but I’d be really surprised if he’s casual about it or simply focuses on getting ball players.
I think the one thing we know is that Chip focuses on certain measurable characteristics for each position. We don’t yet know what the important measurements are or what the cut offs are but we know that they’re there. Chip prefers to limit speculation and opts for players he’s either coached or coached against. He puts high value on character as well.
The one area where Chip seems almost anti-plan is in maximizing draft value. He wants who he wants and doesn’t care much about where the rest of the league would have picked a player. He says that if the patriots knew how good Tom Brady was going to be they would have picked him in the 1st round. And, perhaps he’s right. But, if the patriots also knew that no one else had anything higher than a 4th round grade on him, might they be inclined to trade back first and add some picks. Would that have been tempting fate? I don’t know what the right answer is. But, I do know Chip seems to think draft speculation and the art of maximizing draft value is less important than most personnel people.
“you would think he would be the type not to have a specific plan. I can see him saying “Let’s go find some good players.” … I’ll assume that was written after a case of PBR. You’re talking about the guy who has a specific set of rules just to walk on the property and your thinking is Chip shows up on draft day thinking “lets find a good player”……is this an April Fools joke?
Yea I had to read that paragraph a couple times to make sure I read it correctly. Not sure how that’s anyone’s impression of Chip at this point. But, I think Tommy is talking more specifically about a plan as it revolves around playing with draft value (ie trading down, trading up, stock piling draft picks or moving up to get specific players, or always prioritizing certain positions at the top of the draft over others vs just sitting still at our picks and drafting the best available players like the Ravens and Steelers seem to do) and whether or not he has a “plan” to address certain specific talent deficiencies on the team (ie we need a CB who runs a sub 4.4 to cover DeSean or one thats 6’2 plus to cover Dez or we need a more athletically complete QB at all costs vs again just sitting tight and getting the best players that fit his specifications for their positions).
That being said, I’d be shocked if a guy that plans the amount of sleep our players get and is as detailed to such an unheard of level in his structure of everything from practice, sleep, nutrition, game planning, ect, would roll in to the draft without a detailed plan and vision for what he wants to accomplish. More than likely he has an extremelty detailed plan, but it’s just not the conventional type of stuff we’re used to discussing.
i think any decision will be very data driven.
The guy’s play is “to score some effing points”. I think I can see where Tommy is coming from.
I hear the Bama monster steals pudding from lunch boxes as well
F the plan and draft DGB!
and give him a “body guard”… to prevent stupid..
I volunteer.
we should stick Marcus Peters and DGB in a hunger games sort of battle, winner gets drafted in round 1 by the Eagles..
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The Best WR and CB prospects in this draft, are both knucklheads who wont be the top guys picked at their positions… some team is going to get lucky and add a steal of a supreme prospect talent much later than it should be able to,… typically you should have to spend a top 10 pick on a WR talent like DGB or the top CB in the draft, top corner always gets picked in 8-13 range
You know what, while I can understand someone else’s logic of not drafting character risks, I think drastic times means drastic measures sometimes. I would be happy with either one of them!!!
you know how fucking PUMPED ID be?
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Clostest thing to missing out on last years “Beckam”
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if Chip were to draft him, it would be the first official move where chip sacrifices character for elite FB talent….. DGB will most likely be available at #20, and is a legit top 10 talent… if you are going to add questionable character, do it with a pot head, who brings elite Josh Gordon type of raw WR tallent to the position…. Mac, DGB, Huff and the Pope would be a bad ass arsenal of WRs to go along with Ertz, Virgil Greene lol and our RBs..
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it would take a serious talent like this kid to make me ok with taking our first rounder away from the defense..
We have a strong support system here to make sure he doesn’t go down that Josh Gordon route. I would get a DGB jersey asap if we took him in the first round.
you dont have to talk me into man,,,,, if I was chip, I would draft him and the minimute practice was over I would handcuff him to me until practice starts the next day;…. This is a chance to add an ODB type talent, considering the Giants drafted that monster for us to deal with for the next decade, might be a good idea to get our own…. Devante Parker and DGB will easily be the best WR talents in this draft class IMO.
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wow Patriots locker room attendent who had no business handling footballs during a game, tried to sneak an unapproved football into the AFC championship game… what a bunch of cheating scum
Link?
just type espn.com or cnn.com into your browser. It’s all over every news outlet.
breaking news, you can find it anywhere,. i have the radio on
I dont think Philly really understands how bright hinkie is… our media rips him because he is busy living at Hezonjas games or Porzingis games this season instead of being around to answer their silly simple minded questions…,.. Really a bright man. Its a shame he wont allow this city to get to know him, because he is a really bright, funny, down to earth dude. this city would feel so much better about our direction under him if he were to allow this city to get to know him….I cant stress what a great GM mind he brings to philly. Hopefully in the future he opens up a bit so this city can really see that we 100% have the right man for the job…
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… every one rips his analytics, but he isnt some nerd who bases everything off stats… extremely hard working man who does a ton of traditional scouting in person.
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hinkie will soon prove to be one of the very best GMs in the NBA, extremely bright football mind, he just needs two more years to unveil his plan..
Really enjoyed that article Tommy linked. I definitely believe in “The Plan”. I’m not even a big basketball fan, but I enjoy watching this thing develop. It think it’s developing too quickly though. Start off 0-17 and there’s still 2 teams with fewer wins than them.
wonder who was the genius that scored the worst on this years round of wonderlic tests, which i believe were taken yesterday.
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always nice to know who was crowned king stupid of this draft class
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I also liked knowing who was asked the best question…. Recent winner was Nick Kasa who some redneck coach asked “Do you like girls” lol
Muhammad Wilkerson might be going to get a deal around $11mil (the same as Calais Campbell). Cox will either get a deal around 7-9 mil if Wilkerson sets the bar.
Cox will be a steal at 7 mill per year. He should be at the lower end of the elite 3-4 DEs as minimum.
It really depends on this year. Last year was his breakout year in the 3-4.
Of course it does, because we have zero reason to give him a new deal this year unless we can sign him cheap.
Slap him the 5th year option and let him prove 2014 was just the beginning
I don’t think Cox is like Maclin too. As long as he gets a decent sized contract then he will be fine.
Maclin wanted a fair long term deal last year, the Eagles just low balled him, so they settled for 1 year deal.
Also if you are Maclin and you just betted on your self, why wouldnt you want to be paid?
They gave him an offer that matched his past performances.
No they didnt, they offered him less than what he got last year per year, if you think a borderline 1k WR is worth less than 6 mill, then I think you have wrong idea of a WRs worth.
Maclin was a sub 900 yards 6 TD receiver for most of his time here. Cooper put that up in one year too.
http://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver
Look at that list, now exclude all rookie contracts (and super old veterans), and tell me how many that made less or just around Maclins produced better than Maclin did before 2014. Only one who produced just as well as Maclin was Hakeem Nicks, he is now completely broken down.
For less than 6 mill you get your Jason Avants or Riley Coopers.
Btw I get it, you think Maclin is overrated and not a top WR
So he got offered something in between what Decker/Sanders got at that time. You’re still saying that it’s not fair?
Decker yes, but he got 7.25 per year, which is way more than what Maclin was offered.
I honestly can’t even find the money offered per year in his 5 year deal offer.
I cant either, but I think its a fair assessment to conclude it cant have been much higher than his 1 year deal if higher at all.
If we had gotten Maclin for 7.25 per year, it would have been a crazy steal
probably right… Cox is a really frugal, simple country boy, and he is very caring about his team mates, I dont see him being the type that woulud hold our feet the the fire and start demanding to be the highest paid defender or something crazy like every top defender does when its time for a new contract
Cox is a really frugal, simple country boy, and he is very caring about his team mates, all this could be true and he could still want his $$.
of course… but either way, he is getting SUPER PAID, but if he has a monster year I assume he will take good MONEY, but not be one of these guys that push it and want to top all the other top contracts at their position. If Cox has another year like this past year or better, he will be an elite DT,, be nice if we can sign him to Elite money, instead of TOP MONEY at that position…. Ndomunkung Suh isnt the best defender or DT in the league, neither is gerald McCoy…JJ WATT is…but both are going to really put a dent in their franchises salary cap wanting to be paid as much as Watt if not more.
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either way, Cox is going to be a very rich man… Maybe we could do something like what the seahawks might do with Russell Wilson, get him to give us a team discount, allowing us to save a big chunk of money, but in return guaranteeing the full contract..
Cox might have been the best defender in the NFL the second half of the year. Why would be take less than wilkerson?
Because Wilkerson put up the numbers and Cox didn’t. They can hold that against him in contract negotiations.
by that definition, Curry should get 10+ per year
He probably could if he keeps putting up numbers like that.
Its also why I think he will cash in next FA period big time. Some 4-3 team will pay him big bucks
I def cant blame him for that. Make the money while you can.
It’s almost that time of the year again.
Friday watchlist
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TJ Clemmings
La’el Collins
Cameron Erving
Ty Sambrailo
Jake Fisher
Josue Matias
DJ Humpries
Cedric Ogbuehi
Hroniss Grasu
Jarvis Harrison
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Maxx Williams
Clive Walford
Ben Koyack
Jeff Huerman
Roob just went full Cataldi/Marucs Hayes on the Eagles FO, for not speaking at the combine.
I really hope Kelly just pulls a Lynch at next mandated PC and just say “Im just here so I wont get fined” and then end it.
lol such idiots…. they get all butt hurt over them not speaking to the media, when in reality they cant even say much.. this time of year is when you have to be at your most secretive, you need to hide your true intentions, WTF does the media think they can get out of them?
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no offense to the media, but Id rather you leave our friggin coaches alone so they can do their job and find us the best talent at the combine instead of answering your simple minded questions half of which, you know our coaches cant answer anyway….. local hacks….fuck them, they shouldnt even be allowed at the combine. Combine should be a tool for NFL front Offices, the media has no business there. Its one thing to report on the players at the combine, but the combine shouldnt be story time for local reporters, leave our front office alone to do its job
Also not like Kelly, Lurie or Roseman would ever tell anything close to the truth about why Gamble was fired and why Roseman was “promoted”.
exactly…. im a curious fan just like everyone else, sure i would love to know, but we have no chance of finding out, until like 3 years pass by then the truth finally comes out.
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nothing I hate more than a media member pissing away his media access, wasting one of the few questions they will get to ask on something you know there is no chance the interviewee would answer honestly anyway.
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by the nature of this time of year its best to be as secretive as possible. the less we reveal the better positioned we will be to try and land the players we want… being secretive is what will give us the best chance to succeed in our offseason goals, id rather them have the best chance of succeeding this offseason, than to get a few answers this time of year
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plus half the things we are curious about will be answered by the eagles actions the next few months anyway..
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like to see a change where if media is going to be allowed to cover the combine, make the NFL front office staffs off limits to the media… Eagles are busy trying to gather as much info on prospects as possible, while also talking to the agents of our free agents and other teams free agents we might have interest in, there is no reason why they should be bothered with media crap during such an important offseason event
I f’ing hate these clowns. There’s McLane again on the radio today starting shit up, “I don’t see any way they don’t go after Mariota. It’s happening!” Shut the f up you hack. You’ll say anything to keep your little fantasy going just so people will click your links & listen to your nonsense. And the sad part is that so many of them do.
lol right,,, the funny part is that jackoff actually thinks that if we had a blockbuster up our sleeve fore marriotta he would hear about it right now? bwahahahahahaha what a jackoff, who the fuck does he think he is? jay glazier? fuckin hack in his fantasy land
DGB is a RARE OPPORTUNITY to get an elite top 10 Talent without having a top 10 pick.
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this will prove to be just like The Dallas Cowboys… in 2010 everyone knew Dez Bryant was a cant miss NFL Beast, yet we picked at his character over and over during the draft process causing an elite WR talent to fall to pick #24, where the cowboys took advantage and Pounced on him..
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This is our CHANCE at OUR DEZ BRYANT type of talent… The Earliest someone would draft him is probably the 49ers, a few picks ahead of us. But if he falls to #20, I doubt there will be a better talent available than that kid…
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Dez Bryant has been a walking headache, but IMO his crap has been worth putting up with considering what he gives the cowboys on the field, and the cowboys never had a strong locker room like us. If they could make it work with Dez Bryant in their mess of a locker room, we shouldnt automatically rule out using our strong Locker room to add a rare elite Talent like this baby beats..
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We invested in Building this strong Locker room, one of the perks of having a strong Locker room is you can add a problem child and you have plenty of leaders that will take him under their wing and police him…. If Chip Kelly passes on this talent, Jerry Jones, or Bellicheat, or Pete Carroll will end up pouncing on him and getting a steal due to everyone else being afraid to draft him…. if a supreme Talent like him is good enough for Bellicheat or Pete Carroll, he should be good enough and worth the gamble for us
is DGB really that good compared to lets say a Jaylen Strong who might also be there at 20?
also if we are betting on a character concern guy, I much rather bet on Marcus Peters
DGB has Megatron potential
Strong has Jefferies potential
and you’ve got potential.. and you’ve got potential…
Lane was a potential pick. What’s your point?
its a commercial on TV. the one with Pinocchio, hes a motivational speaker and his nose is growing when hes at some career fair talking about all the shlubs potential, pretty funny… BUT not my best.
I think Lane was much less raw than DGB.
Also Im not taking a 1st round WR this year unless its Kevin White. I think WR is the least of our needs together with center
Its crazy how many WR could go in the first this year. DGB, Cooper, White, Strong, Parker, Smith, Funchess (?), Coates (?).
I think Cooper, White, Strong and Parker all go. Funchess and DGB is the dark horses and Coates and Smith is 2nd round targets and the ultimate darkhorse for round 1 seems to be Breshard Perriman
All of his flaws can be fixed at the next level. He’s not the greatest route runner but It would have helped if he wasn’t such a knucklehead.
He is that potential, but why not wait to the 2nd round? Really doubt he goes 1st round
I don’t think the Seahawks/49ers/Raiders will pass him up after we pick.
I cant see the Hawks drafting him after the Harvin thing. I think they are much more likely to go with Maxx Williams or a Goodley later (who will most likely remind them of Golden Tate).
I cant see the Niners doing it after all that crap with Aldon Smith.
The Raider might take him in at the start of the 2nd, but Im not so sold on his talent that I wanna spend a 1st and I do not want to trade up
Its Kevin White or bust for me regarding WRs in the 1st two rounds for me.
niners might not even allow him to get to #20.
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if he does fall, you know Bellicheat will be waiting, licking his chops, which is why im hoping the NFL takes their first round pick away
dont worry, chip wont be interested sadly..
Knowing Chip, we probably have no interest in either. I dont know about you, but I highly doubt DGB is going to come in and blow chip away at the interview, stand at the blackboard and shock chip with his football intelligence. He definitely wont sit down at our interview having broken down 6 eagles games like the Pope did…. Knowing how important the interviews were, and character/intelligence displayed during the interviews with guys like Pope, Logan, Jaylen Watkins… I have a hard time believing either of these kids will blow chip away
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Personally i expect to see DGB and Devante Parker to set themselves apart from the rest in terms of most athletically gifted. Parker is expected to measure out at great size, long wing span/catch radius, serious jumping ability
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i Like those two over Amari Cooper so i have to like them more than Jalen Strong….. I also dont exactly know how much of a character concern he is. We cant be ruling out elite prospects over friggin pot, because whether they have been caught or not, half of these kids are partying in college anyway… Its a matter of his character. Is it immature crap that you can expect him to grow out of when the All miighty motivator, $$$ becomes involved?
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Im pretty sure he stayed out of trouble this year. can anyone confirm or deny with certainty? we should probably start listing and keeping track of all the knuckleheads red flags
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For me, I like Jalen Strong, i dont hate him at 20 at all, but I feel like you can get a similar WR talent available in the 30-40 range… where as DGB is closer to a top 15 range, then he is to the 30-40 range
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of course DGB and Strong arent the only WR talents that could interest chip. alot of talent for him to drool over, and alot of different style of WR prospects… Take for example, Chip likes Riley Cooper who is pretty slow, doesnt have much physical gifts besides size and strength. If Chip values a big slow WR like Coop, and Coop is getting cut next year, how do we know chip isnt drooling over Big Slow Funchess as his replacement? or he could be drooling over Tiny Phillip Dorsetts speed, deep threat ability…..
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Personally I would go DGB over Peters, but I like both.
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In todays NFL, i think an elite WR talent has less bust potential than an elite CB prospect, but either would be a nice talent boost for our roster if we are willing to give them a chance
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but truth be told, I doubt Chip will draft either
AJ Jenkins, Stephen Hill, DHB, just to name a few major busts at WR who all ad the whole size and speed package.
I really wanna know which WR you can get in the 2nd round who compares well to Jaylen Strong in terms of having elite hands.
yeah, but i have a feeling recently a shift has begun to where we will start seeing the WR position go from being a hard position to draft to one of the easiest going forward.. More Elite athletes want to play that position more than ever, and they are starting to come to the NFL more prepared then ever
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I have a feeling starting a year or two ago and moving forward, we will start to see a draft Boom in WRs to where 10 Quality WRs will come out of every draft class going forward. Have a feeling that position will start to become devalued because of how much easier its going to be to draft WR talent that ends up panning out on the NFL level… I have no proof of this, but its something Im keeping an eye on personally… For example, I dont think this past draft class will prove to be a rare occassion. I have a feeling we will start to see more and more drafts like last year that provide a plethora of quality WR talent… where as in the past it was almost 50-50 whether a top WR prospect would bust or pan out
Like RB
I thought the best athletes already went to WR anyway?
Not sure how rare it is considering the best corner in the draft could be there at 20 too because he is also an idiot.
I honestly never really thought about the birds drafting him. Im for it if he gets close to us. Maclin, DGB, Mathews and Huff would be an elite unit for years to come. Just hope he doesnt go Gordon on us.
“Just hope he doesnt go Gordon on us.” Once you’re in that program, it’s a tight rope to walk.
Aqib Talib hasn’t done anything crazy in awhile so there’s still some hope.
yeah but it takes those guys a few years to mature. I’d be fine with it, if you can dedicate some personnel to body guard him.
As a famous athlete making millions you must feel like your invincible. I honestly think it may take him a slap or two in the face to get his life together. Im only 26 and up untill the age of 24 i was always getting in trouble. It took me some real rough times including a few non exactly short stays in jail to decide i needed to get my act right. One day i sorta woke up and looked around me and saw people my age being successful in life, and i decided i wanted to be like them. I havent looked back since, work hard everyday and the results are better then I ever dreamed. I think the most important thing for him is that he lands in a good locker room, surrounded by athletes and coaches that are successful and do the right thing. Without that, and arund the wrong influences he may never get his head straight at all, or untill its to late. Lol sorry, didnt mean to give you guys a story, but i do have a small soft spot for people like him, and pray he gets his mind straight. I think the cutting of Djax had more to do with the impact he would have on young players then anything else.
100%. Some you have to learn through experience
chip wont touch him…. i was just saying.
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knowing how important our interview process was in the selection of guys like Barkley, Jordan, Watkins, Logan.. this isnt going to be a kid who comes into an interview and blows chip away at the blackboard with his football intelligence.
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someone will get a sick WR talent much later then they should, highly doubt it will be us, sadly…
On the flip side, what if Chip beleives that the culture inside of the locker room is healthy enough to support a player like this. If you have a group of players like this its a problem, but if everyone has their head straight he would be forced to interact with these players, and maybe be taken under the wing. No body has claimed its his football knowledge in question, its his life skills.
dont think he will be up to chips intelligence, and work ethic standards, but id love to take a chance and that type of talent
Or, this is our chance to waste a pick on a Josh Gordon-type of guy that can’t stay on the field because of the choices he makes.
Dez is the success story, and damn it and the Cowboys, but there are plenty of times where things go the other way.
Edit: Wee2424 made the same comparison hours ago, good call.
The josh gordon story speaks to how messed up that organization is.
The Eagles hired ex-Jets coach Brian Smith as assistant linebackers coach. I’d guess he’ll do what Tra Thomas did last year. Smith was the Jets’ assistant DBs coach last season. He also has experience as an offensive coach. He was one of the few guys that Rex didn’t take with him to Buffalo but part of that is that the Bills wanted to keep their DBs coach that was there last season, Donnie Henderson.
wasnt the jets secondary TERRIBLE last year? Part of that is injuries but even when guys weren’t injured…
Maybe he’ll have playbook knowledge.
The talent there stunk. Coaching only goes so far. And hey, Jaiquawn Jarrett actually flashed there. Something he never did with the Eagles.
that’s 100% true.
Curious, but i know he had that one great game. Did he do much after that?
Maybe he can relate to MSII?
Fitz extended, oh well.
Omg this is a recently pic of Jamies Winston
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-IT-WpCQAA7Ycv.png
Speaking at the NFL Combine, Bucs coach Lovie Smith stated he would have
no qualms making Jameis Winston the “face of the franchise.”
As long as he’s okay with a slightly bloated face of the franchise…
he said it was 6 weeks ago, and i believe him. he made a good point that said its not like he can show up at the combine wearing a trench coat, he will strip down to his boxers just like every other prospect he said and he assured the media that he does not look like that right now… it was 6 weeks ago according to him, and now he says he will show he is in fantastic shape
We have sadly heard that before.
I was more surprised he even got so fat and at first thought it was Jamarcus Russell when I saw the picture.
dude, he is 10lbs over weight… he can eat grilled chicken breast for a month and easily lose 10lbs with the way he is probably working out pre combine…not uncommon for a player to gain 10lbs as soon as a season ends in ll sports. he had plenty of time to take a break, get fat and get in shape for combine
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we will find out in the next day or so..
Idk why QBs need to look like Hercules in the first place. McNabb wasn’t ripped.
Its not about looking ripped, its about showing dedication to the weight room and eating right.
He should have been.
That looks like more than 10 lbs.
I recently lost 30 pounds and only place you can it is on my face. 10 pounds is nothing.
That looks like at least 20+ pounds of fat
Congrats on the weight loss, Anders. I’m trying to go from “undersized MLB” to “big safety.”
Its amazing what eating less junk food, drinking less soda and doing more exercise can do for the body.
I have went from big safety, to CB sized.
I’m trying to go from OL coach to D Coordinator, but that feels like it is impossible.
ok, jameis is a fat slob… end of story… dont care about defending that fool
What’s your secret?
Less junk food and more exercise
I agree, but it does seem to be relevant to his work ethic/dedication to the craft. The extent that those matter to various drafters varies, but I would think that if he wasn’t already off of Kelly’s list, this would certainly be a big red flag for Chip.
i dont know that i agree. its a long process for these kids, they have to take a break after the season… because soon they have to jump into predraft workouts, then the combine, then the interview process, then the draft, then Mini Camp, a month break, and back to training camp, Followed by preseason, and then 16 game regular season which is more then they ever played.
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better let these kids take a few weeks off after the season before they jump into the Long Grind of predraft process to the rookie season
To become a good NFL player, let alone a good NFL QB, has really become a full-year job. These guys are constantly improving their craft. That 1 month off that Winston took was time he could have been using to get better, instead of just getting back to baseline.
I’m pretty sure that’s the way Kelly looks at it.
as if every human athlete doesnt take a month break about twice a year
You can still take a break without adding 20+ pounds
You can still eat right and do some light workouts to keep the body in shape.
Winston looks like he fed on nothing but pizza and McDonalds for a few months
have you ever been an athlete in your entire life? just curious…
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when you go from insane workouts year round, you can take 2-3 weeks off and gain some serous weight… if a body used to his level of athleticism used to his level of excercise, “takes a few months off eating nothing but pizza” he would gain 30lbs with the quickness… and that kid is not 30lb overweight’
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then again, i really dont give a shit about sticking up for Jameis Winston, so we can agree to disagree… I couldnt care less if he becomes the next fat bastard in austin Powers part 7….. speculating is pointless when we will get our answer shortly at the combine
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are UFC fighters not elite athletes who work harder than most athletes? yet after every fight, a fighter takes a month off, gains 30lbs of weight, and then jumps back into training camp for his next fight 4 months later, so 3 times per year UFC athletes are taking a break and ballooning from 20-30 lbs, yet they are just as committed to their craft as any NFL player.
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When the basketball season ends in may, they all take a month off to get fat and lazy before jumping back into offseason workouts which is the time of year a basketball player improves the most
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its an nice Idealist view that these super athletes arent humans who need to be in shape 365 days a year, but it rarely works that way. for example, id bet Marshawn Lynch is a fat slob right now… is he not a commited top NFL player?
I think Winston might be the smartest guy in the draft. He gets to enjoy pizza and Mickey D’s for months, and as long as he pushes himself to the bottom of the first and not the top of the second, his rookie deal is shorter and with a good team. This puts him in the perfect position to cash in on that second contract.
Plus, free crab legs.
He’s a Qb. Did you see tom brady at the combine? Looked like he’d never seen a gym. For Qbs i don’t mind if they aren’t all “rocked up”. Jameis wouldn’t have won games if he wasn’t dedicated.
The Tom Brady card!
When was Brady drafted? This decade, right? And *when* in the draft, it was top 5, right?
Never said he has to be all “rocked up.” Said that Chip values professionalism, and that picture creates a red flag in that area, nothing more. The red flag could be overcome through interviews, etc., but I do think it would be a red flag. Furthermore, other GMs/decision makers don’t value that stuff as highly as Chip does, so for them, it could possibly not even be a red flag.
And if that’s what he looked like after taking a “week” off, then he really wasn’t in that good shape to begin with, IMO.
I actually have a bigger problem if that pic is from 6 weeks ago. Because he played his last college football game 7 weeks ago.
Joe Montana was rated as a 5th or 6th round pick. Was called “Chicken Legs” as a rookie. We know the rest.
Not a fair picture. The zip tie thing pushes all the body mass upwards. Basically a reverse corset. Don’t get me wrong, I want nothing to do with Winston, but this picture is meaningless.
Look at his face, it is all floppy as well. Guy is flat out fat no matter what you think the zip tie is doing.
The picture was taken shortly after he was playing patriotic trumpet music for the terminal orphans in the quarantine wing. That is why his cheeks are puffy.
Meanwhile, what was Mariota doing? Running sprints? Lifting weights? Drinking smoothies? Sounds kind of selfish, if you ask me.
I’m not seeing a lot of body mass getting shunted forwards in this picture of Alex Smith: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/v8jh9c/picture859983/ALTERNATES/FREE_960/CHIEFSCAMP%20ME%20080114%20DRE%201330f.JPG
By the way, a search for elastic band shirtless quarterback is definitely NSFW!!!
And that’s not a training device: that’s just how they keep him from attacking women.
Multiple up votes.
OMG, this is his destiny…
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Was more thinking this (click the pictire if it isnt showing)
http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/blogs/Jared-Lorenzen-NCAA-Rule.final.jpg
Who is that? John Candy?
Hefty Lefty… he played with the colts for a bit. And by played I mean was on the roster.
…and by a bit, he means before he became a terabyte (terrorbite?).
That’s Jared “The Hefty Lefty” Lorenzen. You should be able to recall him from his years as Eli’s backup, also was at least 100 lbs lighter.
that’s Clarence BEEFTANK, totally unstoppable.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/5/4691010/breaking-madden-clarence-beeftank-jaguars
Did giving birth turn him white? Or maybe he knows Michael Jackson’s dermatologist?
LOL – maybe vitiligo!
Colorado State QB Garrett Grayson tweaked his hamstring in training and will not work out at the NFL Scouting Combine this week. Well we can probably get him as a UDFA. This is a curious pull out though.
You still haven’t told me why you think he is so terrible. I’m a little upset we can’t see him work out in a couple days though.
I think he looks good against mediocre competition. Hard for me to project how he’d look against real players. I’ll watch some more tape — let me know what you see and i’ll let you know if I agree or don’t
I did on our last discussion of Grayson.
QB Josh McCown had breakfast with the Bears on Wednesday morning at the NFL Scouting Combine. hahahaha. It’s like when Matt Flynn thought he could do something other than hold Rodgers’ water.
Tuesday he was noshing with Rex in Buffalo.
Yeah Browns interested too, he’s obviously way cheaper than betting on a rookie Qb (even as a backup). Hope he saved that money he made last year.
Ameer Abdullah – RB – Player
Nebraska RB Ameer Abdullah averaged one fumble per every 35.4 touches during his four-year college career.
Per CBS’ Dane Brugler, this is the highest fumble rate in the 2015 running back class. Wisconsin’s Melvin Gordon had the second highest fumble rate at one loose ball per every 54.4 touches, while Alabama’s T.J. Yeldon averaged one fumble every 62.2 touches. Jay Ajayi fumbled once every 62.6 touches.
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wow so all 3rd round guys or later you think?
i really dont know… its been like 5 years atleast since i watched tape of college RBs… i got so used to the eagles having franchise RBs that its a position i stopped paying attention to a long time ago
Probably not. With the exception of Yeldon, those three are really talented and can contribute right away.
Have you watched Abdullah play though? It is literally insane what he can do. Fumbling issues can be fixed but some of his spins and jukes can’t be taught. In summation: I’d let him eat crackers in my bed.
Abdullah is nasty, and I would love to get him, but Melvin Gordon is on another level. I can’t remember watching a college RB that was that much better than everyone else since Reggie Bush. I think Gordon’s game translates much better to the NFL than Bush’s did.
Adrian Peterson and Marshawn Lynch was better. I argue Gurley when healthy was more fun to watch
Ezekiel Elliot.
I want him sooooooooooooo bad.
So, you would let him eat crackers in your bed?
100% yes
He’s one of the few RBs that take over games. Elliot and Gurley will be the new Peterson and Lynch when they retire.
So 60% of mankind is insane…
That’s steep. But a trade with the jets isn’t a terrible idea.
Well, 60% of Eagles fans… which actually sounds kind of low…
In football/soccer we call this the deadly pass. You just have to take ball and score!
Remembering that 50% are women, at least 60%.
Don’t tell my wife, she would go crazy if she read this.
Oh, wait…
60% of women don’t give a rat’s patootie about football at all.
So you’re claiming that 40% aren’t insane?
Define insane?
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/article/media_slots/photos/001/118/248/Screenshot2013-10-10at11.42.46AM_crop_exact.png?w=650&h=434&q=85
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/306990/More-signs-Eagles-targeting-trade-for-Mariota?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Its happening!
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It’s happening, man.
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I loved this group back in the day.
So did I, but began to have second thoughts after Hutchence accidentally killed himself for a stupid quick j@ck off.
Is that Ron Paul. as in the late libertarian?
LOL – I love this meme.
It’s not happening though!
I hope not, but I thought this was all fun and games to joke about it. Some of us here get loopy during the offseason.
“Acquiring Mariota would likely cost the Eagles most of their 2015 draft class…”
Honestly, I would be fine with that. If Chip wants to dump a whole draft into one player, so be it. I absolutely do not want any future picks to be on the table, however.
Jets trade is Foles plus 2015/2016 first
Yeah, I was just commenting on the blurb to which Anders linked.
wait, we get the 6th pick for Foles and the Jets 2016 first round pick? Id consider that lol… but Foles to me is worth more than Marriotta, so you have to throw something else in the deal in addittion to Marriotta to get Nicky Clutchtime.. lol.. Ill take the NFL QB over the NFL Prospect any day. you want the sure thing NFL QB nick Foles aka young Kurt Warner in the making, it will cost you more than some prospect lol
i like to compare Foles to Kurt Warner, because when we compare Nicks first 24 games to that of Brady, Peyton, Brees, rothlisberger, he is right up there will all those players first 24 starts, but people dont accept the data because its Nick Foles and those guys are legends.. often they use the excuse that playing in chip kellys offense skewers the stats, and gives him an unfair advanytage over the guys like Peyton, Brady or whoevers first 24 games..
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But Kurt Warners first 24 games also have special circumstances, Kurt was a man not a kid, and he had the greatest show on Turf around him… I feel like its fair to compare first 24 games in chips offense, with first 24 games in the greatest show on turf especially since Warner had the maturity advantage that most QBs dont have in there first 24 starts..
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so playing in chips special offense, the closest thing i can compare it to is a mature QB stepping in to QB the greatest show on turf, and when you compare Warners first 24 games with that insane offense, His numbers and Foles are pretty similar… I wont at all be surprised to see Nick Mature into a Warner type once he reaches that age, especially if he is still playing for Chip… I used to like the Big Ben comparison, but recently I go with the young Kurt Warner, especially since they both have the god freak thing in common
Nicky will get another year — he just has to be the man in 2015 if he wants to stay if philly. if it turns out the nicky sticks is andy dalton it’s going to be a long couple of years as philly fans.
come on dude,. i already seen enough clutch 4th quarter ability to know he isnt that hack Dalton… by October the contract extension will be announced 🙂
I hope Foles doesn’t believe in fictional accounts of how human beings came to be like Warner does. Warner’s support of creationism due to his belief in a fiction novel is comically dumb.
Think that’s bad, imagine if Tebow won a Superbowl…
We dismiss em because all those guys had there first 24 games back when the rules was quite different.
When Manning was a rookie there was 2 4k passer, Brett Favre and Steve Young, this year we had 10 4K passers.
You simple cant do an apples to apples comparision because they where rookies and young QBs when the rules was much tougher
everything i know about chips football philosophies says that he would laugh at the notion of trading away a draft for 1 player. chip believes its the ultimate team game, and no QB will succeed without the right pieces around him, and chip thinks he can make it work with alot of different types of players… i dont think he owuld ever value one player so much….. Philosophically i think chip is completely against dumping insane amount of assets into getting 1 player… I dont believe it even a little bit. it goes against everything I know about how chip views this game. Id put money on it… love to see if McLane would put money on his report. Id take his bet that we dont trade our draft for Marriotta
Oh, I am not saying I think it is likely. I was just saying I would not complain if that is how the resources get spent.
If you look back at a draft class and all the team hits on is a 10-year starter at QB, that is a successful draft. So, if Chip thinks Mariota is that guy and puts all his eggs in that basket, I will support that.
Next year’so picks, however, are for next year’s team and next year’s problems and next year’s players. Those are off limits no matter what player Chip covets (or doesn’t).
If I was the owner, that would be my ground rules. Much like a good owner, I don’t profess to know enough to say what the front office should do, let alone what they will do.
i cant say for 100% sure what would happen…. but i feel pretty confident that if the eagles had a blockbuster deal up their sleeves, the great jeff M<cLane would NEVER be hearing about it in Febuary… Jay friggin Glazier wouldnt hear about it this far away from the draft let alone this local hack…. elliott shor parks has some competition this week for top local jackoff
why the hell did it type like that? n pretty cool. wish i knew how to type like that on purpose
Weird. It looks like it thought you were doing something with the HTML.
And maybe I didn’t make it clear enough initially, I was not implying I believed the report, or was in any way adding to the credibility by responding to it. I was just dealing completely in the hypothetical, because that is how I view all opinions and reports at this point.
no i know… gotcha.. was just on one of my rants, not aimed at anyone specifically
GEAGLE – I had no idea you were fluent in cuneiform! This is like the missing side of the Rosetta Stone or a series of cryptic symbols embedded in a Zeppelin album cover! Well done, sir…
i assume you are going off of what That Jackass McLane said today. polluting fanbase with his crap baseless opinions… no Franchise in their right mind would tell anyone their intentions right now and most franchises have no idea who they are taking right now, yet this donkey makes baseless claims that people will take and run with,….smh irresponsible prick
McLane, combined in Manish Mehta in NY. I’m sure it’s 90% bs.
of course it is… if there was any truth to it, we would never be hearing about it right now… if the parameters of the deal were leaked than I assume it means thatr was the latest offer that one of the parties shot down… if the deal was still in play, we would never hear about it, and McLane has to be some ego maniac to think he would find that out right now if that was accurate lol…dude seriously overestimating his abilities lol who the hell does he think he is? lol Jay Glazier wouldnt find out something like that right now, let alone Mclane..
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No teams are making deals any time soon… that shit gets finalized a day or two before the draft… now teams just tap, bounce trades off each other and guage the other parties interest.. teams dont even have their draft boards set, so no one is making any trades right now. its bullshit
“Signs” point to Eagles getting Mariota because…..wait for it…….a beat writer thinks so!
So what number does Mariota have to wear considering he’s not entitled to #8 because Donnie Jones has it?
I suppose when the team refuses to talk the media this week, making stuff up is your only option.
That’s what makes it more fun. Be prepared for my article tomorrow where Chip gives up Foles and the farm for Winston. Off the field issues be damned – considering the picture below they will both eat Tostitos and figure out how to run the RO since Chip’s system needs a running QB. All the Eagles cheerleaders on the Eagles sideline learn to use their peripherals to make sure Winston doesn’t sneak up on them.
Hey, I thought it so it must be true!
RGIII starting for the LOLskins.
yeah those morons never learn. keep awarding starting positions in the offseason without making players earn it, you morons will get far that way… smh
yeah apparently it was decided by looking at last year’s tape. Aka having a meeting with the owner. It’s silly. Kurt Cousins might as well demand a trade.
did you hear that jon Gruden is working with RG3 this offseason? big brother to the rescue..doesnt it kind of make jay Gruden look more impotent than usual?
haha I thought he was working with Cousins. Either way….Gruden could have stayed in Cinci. Shanahan has been making the rounds talking about “I wanted Peyton, but settled for RGIII”. Saying RGIII didn’t want to run RO, didn’t tell shanny his knee was messed up, etc. trying to repair his image.
After reading other blogs and listening to NFL Network, I’ve noticed that the ‘media’ are unrelenting in their demands to have GMs and HCs name their starting QBs RIGHT NOW!! Remember 2 years ago in Eagles Land?
Right now, it is GJ Kinne’s spot to lose. Of course he will. Undoubtedly. After that, we will see what we have.
This pic begs the question. Does the Eagles photographer make everybody look a little bug-eyed?
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/tuls/sports/genrel/auto_action/2015877.jpeg
RGKnee. RG3&10. RG3&out. RGMe.
LOSER
Minnesota TE Maxx Williams measured 6-foot-5, 249 at the NFL Combine.
Perhaps most impressively, Williams has huge 10 3/8-inch hands, bigger than many NFL left tackles. His arm length of 33 1/2″ will create for a wide catching radius. Williams is easily the premier tight end in this year’s draft class, and still isn’t 21 years old. He’s a high-ceiling prospect.
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i would LOVE to draft this kid. I dont care if TE isnt a need, if you have a chance at upgrading you take it. Id Cut Celek and James Casey, Go with Ertz, draft Maxx, and sign Virgil Greene(give him james Casey money to pry him away from Denver) and keep Burton as the 4th… Reconfigure the TE position so we dont even have to think about it for next 4 years like our NT position set with Logan/Beau… heck that probably frees up money. exchange casey for Virgil at similar price, cut Celeks money replace it with a 2nd round contract for Maxx… you end up saving money until its time to pay Ertz
Do they have all the measurements for all players.
roto? i dont think all of them…. they collect posts from all the local blogs, so whenever someone tweets out a measurement and a comment, they will re-post it… its really the only site i visit.. the “player news” section, i just refresh it all day long, and sooner or later all the important news makes it over there
I thought you were referring to combine measurements. I didn’t know if today was weigh on day for the combine
YEAH It WAS..but i got that measurment reported from Roto
We need to be in two TE more often. PERIOD. If that is problematic because of Cooper being on the field and sucking at life; bench his rear end and split Matthews out there or tell Huff to start producing as the two.
But we need to be in two TE more often. Maxx would be a great addition to that position group. Celek is on the slow fade.
Many folks wish the Eagles would dump Cooper. Isn’t it possible to trade him? Heck, he could go to Green Bay and have styling contests with Clay Matthews!
I’d be cool keeping Celek. At one point in a game this season he was one of the better blockers along the offensive line. I’d draft the kid, keep Ertz and Burton, and let Celek continue to be the veteran presence to help these kids along. IMO he’s one of the best blocking TEs in the league and may be able to fill an OL spot in a pinch. Plus, as a sentimental thing, I’d like to see him finish his career here.
yeah but that really limits what you can do, if you find yourself always needing better blockers maybe you just need better lineman.
I don’t disagree, but it’s what Chip wants in his TEs. It’s the reason Ertz didn’t see the field as much this past year.
poor ertz, he could have been a star. shame he’s gotta spend this year getting bigger and working on blocking instead of getting even better at what he’s good at.
As long as he doesn’t lose his speed, he should be fine.
im fine with keeping Celek. i dont replace him just for the sake oof replacing him. but if if have a shot at two young guys I really like, for example Virgil and Max, i wont want to let 1 more year of Celek stop us from getting that next era of eagle TE’s in place since the celek era wont last forever…. but if we cant get those two TE, say Broncos announce Extension with Virgil Green, i would rather keep celek instead of settling for the next highest rated TE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=387PiIvJT4s
LOL Vikings signed Bostic, the TE who blew the Packer superbowl hopes
Claimed him on waivers. The guy has talent. He did make one bad play. That doesn’t mean he should be banished from the league. I believe the way his contract with GB was structured his 4th year salary would have been the lower RFA tender which is more pricy than they wanted to pay him. I’d guess that was more of the reason they cut him and not the STs gaffe.
Stanford LT Andrus Peat checked in at 6-foot-7, 313 with 34 3/8-inch arms and 10 5/8-inch hands at the NFL Combine.
That’s a big dude.
He big.
Yikes! I don’t know if I have enough room for him to eat crackers in my bed!
Considering the position, 313 isn’t all that big given that he’s 6’7″. Wonder how he moves now, and how he would with 20 more pounds on him.
How would you know if he was carrying 20 pounds more or less?! ;~)
same exact measurments as Costanzo
Did anyone see Kempski’s tweet about Kiper? He basically put out there how each team would be different if team drafted based on Kiper’s first mock.
LOL. Kempski is great at trolling the national media.
Look at who we would have picked. Our defense would be WAY better.
Not necessarily.
Bowman > BG I’d take Bowman over BG.
Gabe Carimi = Danny Watkins (both flaked out)
Luke Kuechly = Fletcher Cox (both pro bowl, but I lean Cox since he’s on the line)
Dee Millner < Lane Johnson We got a T for the next 10 years, Millner is not that level
Kelvin Benjamin ? Marcus Smith – too early to tell. Matthews (picked after) might be better than Benjamin and Smith I think will get there.
Yeah i was evaluating basically on the strength of our LB core with Bowman and LK, studs. But cox is the man.