Feeling Better
Posted: March 13th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 777 Comments »It is amazing the good that a simple press conference can do. On Wednesday we heard from Chip Kelly and Sam Bradford. Those PCs helped quite a bit. It doesn’t make Kelly’s moves any less out of the box, but I think it gave you a better feel for the situation and what was behind everything.
Kelly didn’t say anything groundbreaking. He danced around some questions about the Howie Roseman situation, saying that was Mr. Lurie’s call. I’m guessing Chip had a bit more than “nothing” to do with that series of moves. He talked about the Shady trade, explaining that as much as they loved McCoy they needed ILB help and Shady had a huge cap figure.
Kelly talked a lot about Bradford. I thought he did a good job of explaining that any time you are making a move like this, it is for a reason. Good QBs just don’t come available. It happens due to an injury or there can be money involved. Peyton Manning left Indy when he was expensive and hurt. Drew Brees left San Diego when he was going to be expensive and he had a bum shoulder. You are almost always taking a chance when a talented QB comes available. There is going to be some kind of baggage.
While Kelly did a good job of pointing out that players can come back from injuries and still play at a high level, he was too dismissive of injuries. He gave all the good examples. He never talked about Cornelius Ingram, Marlin Jackson or Shaun Phillips. Kelly wasn’t involved with those guys, but the point is there are plenty of players who tear ACLs and never recover, let alone play well.
I hope people came away understanding the trade for Bradford wasn’t some fluky thing. It was by design. There was a lot of research that went into the decision. Kelly talked to Sam’s college coaches. He watched all of his NFL throws. That doesn’t make the move any less risky, but I hope it gives a sense that this is something the Eagles think can work…they aren’t just guessing.
In non-Bradford news, I thought the most interesting comment was that the Eagles signed Walter Thurmond, who would come in and compete with Nolan Carroll and Brandon Boykin for the starting corner spot opposite of Byron Maxwell. Boykin will finally get his shot. Maybe. Kelly will need to expand on that comment in the future, but it sure sounded like there was hope for Boykin. All I know is that he better play like the 2013 BB if he wants to have any shot to win that job.
And Kelly did emphatically address the Marcus Mariota situation.
“Let’s dispel that right now. I think that stuff is crazy. You guys have been going with that stuff all along. I think Marcus is the best quarterback in the draft. We will never mortgage our future to go all the way up to get somebody like that, because we have too many other holes that we are going to take care of.”
Les Bowen has all the quotes here.
If Mariota falls anywhere close to the Eagles, he could still be a target. But there won’t be any RG3 packages to move up. The Eagles will need picks to help with RG and DB, possibly WR.
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As for Bradford, I came away very impressed.
I thought Sam did a terrific job of being positive, but also letting everyone know that he wasn’t delusional. He doesn’t see himself as the best QB in league history. He fully understands that people doubt him based on performance and injury history. And he understands it is up to him to prove them wrong.
Nick Foles always did a good job of saying the right things in PCs, but sometimes it was a bit fake. Sam actually seemed…dare I say…honest. The media could grow to love him for that.
The most interesting thing he said is that the Eagles have been talking to the Rams for a month or so. Again, that shows you this move was really by design and not a panicked reaction to “Mariota will cost too much!”
One of the things I like best about Sam is that I just thought he had a good presence. Sam was in the spotlight in college and then was the center of attention for the Rams, although that’s nothing huge. I think he can handle the role of being a team leader and one of the faces of the franchise.
I still have lots of questions about Sam the QB, but came away feeling better about him after hearing him speak.
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We got more PCs on Thursday.
I wouldn’t consider the M&M PCs as must see material. They say some interesting things, but nothing that blew me away. I did love hearing Mathews say “Sprolesy” several times. That was funny.
Thurmond was very interesting. He’s sharp. Most people think of him as a nickel, but he explained that he played both outside and inside for Seattle. He can handle either spot.
When asked about injuries, he talked about the violent nature of football. He broke a leg a couple of years ago when he took a hit from a teammate. There is nothing you can do to prevent something like that. It is simply the price of playing football.
Someone asked Thurmond about being a returner. He talked about a bad experience he had returning a kickoff and said no thanks to that offer. He compared KO returns to car wrecks. Thurmond did say he could help on punt returns. He was a RS in college.
As for The Chippah…he was interesting as always. He explained that the Eagles wanted to come out of free agency with a pair of good RBs. The team targeted Gore, Murray and Mathews. They didn’t think they could afford DeMarco so they focused on the other two.
Chip talked about the desire to add physical, downhill runners. That is something I wrote about yesterday. Chip knows that running like that will take its toll so that’s why he wanted a pair of runners. Shady had the ability to avoid big hits. M&M will take hits. They will also punish tacklers. By using 2 runners, the Eagles can spread out the carries to each player and protect them.
This certainly sounds great in theory. Putting that plan into action is challenging. The stud RB never wants to come out. But Kelly has sold these guys on the idea of using them both so I’m hoping it works well.
Chip was asked about whether the Eagles would sign a WR. He said he wasn’t sure if that would happen and then noted that the team thinks there is a good group of WRs in the draft. Sounds like the Eagles will look at veterans, but aren’t going to overpay anyone, knowing they could address the position in the draft.
Wouldn’t surprise me to see them wait a few days and let the market settle down before going and talking to some WRs.
No real update on the Evan Mathis trade reports or the hole at RG.
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Speaking of holes…
Safety targets Rahim Moore and Marcus Gilchrist signed elsewhere on Thursday. The fact the Eagles weren’t aggressively talking to them leads me to believe they weren’t all that interested. That’s fine. Those weren’t great players.
But what are the Eagles going to do?
Maybe they love Landon Collins at pick 20?
Maybe there are other NFL guys they are targeting. I’ll be writing more about this in the next few days. Big mystery to be sure.
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I felt a lot better after the pressers. Will things work out? I don’t know but Chip is doing all he can do make our team better.
The funny thing about Bradford is I don’t think I ever heard him talk before. He’s obviously polished when it comes to dealing with the press.
You’re right, Chips presser calmed me down, too. In his own interest, he should do that more often. He hates the media and he’s right about only reporting to Lurie – Belichick was often quoted as “If you listen to the fans, you’ll be sitting right next to them soon”, while Belichick himself stole that quote. And of course I don’t want Chip to listen to a homeless person to draft a QB like the Browns owner did with Johnny Football.
But: there is also truth to that, even though it is Andy in the caricature
http://cdn.cagle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/reid-belichik600.jpg
Chip is a good seller, he should use it more often. After all, it doesn’t hurt if the fans are on board, does it?
they ask the dumbest questions
I am really pumped up for the draft again. Glad the Eagles won’t mortgage the whole draft for only one player.
Amen to that.
We have the 10th pick now after the Bradford trade. Trae Waynes could be available to help the CB spot . or maybe Kevin White for WR.
Might want to double check the trade details there, itach. We still pick at 20
Good morning.
Itachi, that is just so three days ago!
nope we still have the 20th pick and the rams still have the 10th pick. You might want to re-look-up what was involved in the Bradford trade.
The rude awakening must be brutal.
Was for me………. and I’m guessing there were a couple of other “rough nights” when the truth came out.
“and I’m guessing there were a couple of other “rough nights” when the truth came out”
Oh there were. There were…
hypothetically, if Bradford benefits from the Chip Kelly bump and mariota struggles as a rookie, is chip wild and crazy enough to trade mid season for him? Has there ever been a mid season starting qb trade? Am I just sleep deprived? Are there any horse socks?
no too much dead $$ at that point for the trading team.
0% chance that happens
Right, I’m just trying to establish a theoretical limit to chip’s ballsiness
If a couple sets of horse socks can get the deal done, let’s do it.
I am ashamed to say that when I read “horse socks” I though you had typed something different.
I find it odd that you now decide to call Foles fake in his press conferences, but had nothing but good things to say while he was an Eagle.
I disagree, tommy always said that foles was saying all the right thing to say, like you expect from a professional QB as for a politic. I think he’s right saying that bradford sounded more honnest in his approach.
I just see Bradford as more charismatic than foles, which is saying very little
Yeah Foles was like the kind of friend you have in a party, great to have in a group cause he’s really nice but awkward to stay one and one with him cause he’s a bit empty and he will keep thanking god and his friends every 2 minutes.
You guys may not like Foles style, but he is very genuine. He is a team oriented guy, and was the same when he had his star season as he was last year amongst the patchwork line.
I’m with you. He was always professional before the press, no problems with the law, and his teammates spoke highly of him. I hope he does well in his career.
I can’t recall Tommy ever stating that Nick was in any way fake.
He’s a great guy and it’s easy to like him.
He always said the right things and never threw anybody under the bus.
I will always remember Foles as a straight up guy and I really appreciated his honesty and integrity.
The fact that he is a Christian should not go unnoticed either.
The bottom line is, Tommy never hated on Foles to my best recollection.
Tommy often critized Foles for keeping saying the same BS every week. Like Foles always said he knew he had thing to correct, but he never corrected them.
Foles learned from the master himself while he was a rookie. Maybe that’s why he’s still a one year wonder.
yea, Foles PCs really reminded me of Reid PCs. Never believed him, but never had a problem with it.
You kidding? Tommy, imho, never liked Foles.
wow. it was originally reported that we switched 1st round picks, guess that was wrong. thanks for the tip. makes the trade harder to swallow.
that was like 2 days ago…and about 3000 posts…lol…
I feel for you, mate. To those of us who followed “live” via Twitter, and god knows there were a lot of us, it was a nightmare.
If we look at potential workload, I think it will break down something like this:
Eagles aim to have 80 snaps per game, but lets say they only have 75 and with the same run/pass ratio as 2013, thats just around 600 carries we need to split.
I see around 500 of those carries split between Murray and Matthews with the remaining 100 split between Sproles and Bradford (scrambles and a few keepers).
Good breakdown. I also think Murray is going to be more receptive to the reduced touches after seeing how last year’s #s affected his market than he would have been otherwise. Toss in the marketing glitz of “sports science!” and there’s a good chance these guys won’t be complaining about it this year.
If a RB gets 250 carries, he has a normal workload, the simple fact that we will be a run first team and run up-tempo means we have starter carries for 2 RBs
You can say what you want, but both RBs knew there will be a split. This is not telling Shady, who signed a contract three years ago: hey, committee time.
They both knew before they signed their contract. And especially Mathews has to be ok with it, since he had the choice to sign elsewhere. He sounded ok with it.
Last year’s #s affected his market in one direction: up. He doesn’t pile up all those yards, he doesn’t win the rushing title, and he doesn’t make $40 million or whatever ungodly number we signed him for. That being said, his ypc actually dropped from 5.2 to 4.7 last year. For comparison, Shady dropped from 5.1 to 4.2 last year.
I wonder if there is any Chance Polk makes the team. He was so radically different than the other backs in previous years and that gave him value. He has trouble staying healthy but so does M&M. He helps in special teams and is cheap, but just doesn’t offer anything that the headliners don’t have as a RB. So he’s probably gone if M&M are both still here in August.
I think we keep Polk, but he hasnt signed his RFA tender yet.
I really don’t see Chip risking Bradford on designed runs (I seem to remember hearing that he’s already had some ACL problems…). I expect we’ll see one maybe two scrambles a game (zero designed). And that’s only with a wide open field in front of him and a run out of bounds or a quick slide.
the zone read will still be part of the offense. We ran it with lead footed Foles, so we can do it even with Bradford
How many times does Chip have to say that he doesn’t run the zone read before you understand that he doesn’t run the zone read?
Kelly said he does not run the option, he said his offense is based on the inside zone read (IZR) and OZR
Does seem like it would be a bad idea to make a big jump up for MM at this point, with all the holes in the roster and the salary that’s been added, Chip will need a bevvy of cost controlled players to round out the roster for the next 2-3 years.
But obviously, that doesn’t mean Chip won’t do it.
Yeah, i’ve always been a fan of moving back and collecting picks as opposed to moving up and tyler really has me intrigued with the possibility of drafting hundley and sitting for a year behind bradford. If we move up and grab mariota everybody’s gonna be expecting him to start right away..actually kinda hoping he goes in the top 5 to the jets, titans or bucs. So we can move on early address the o-line and wr throughout the draft.
With the rookie prices being set in the CBA, there really isn’t a huge cost to a #1 any more. It’s still pricey, but not what it used to be
According to Heath Evans, acquiring Murray was the way to trade up with Oakland for MM. Does anyone know if Heath Evans is aware the Earth is round?
He’s. So. Dumb.
Yeah just a total toolbox..not just a tool, he’s the whole box
He might not.
http://deadspin.com/ballghazi-just-like-creationism-according-to-moron-nfl-1681618040
Please don’t mention that name ever again.
He was the same clown that predicted Kelly was going to fail miserably.
So much for his expert opinion. LMFAO.
I am already bored. No trades or signings this morning.
There is a long way from now to the draft
Yea, where my FA adrenaline rush?
Ha Ha Ha….that comment was priceless. Thanks.
Good post Tommy. I also feel much better about the off season so far, largely due to the PC’s. I still have football misgivings and skepticism about some of it, but I sort of see the vision. I hope we solidify the O-line and get something for teams to fear in the passing game or that run game will struggle no matter who the back is. But it is still very early in the off season, I’m on board.
I think that in Chip’s vision, the run game works no matter what by imposing it’s will on the defense. Maybe not explosive, but consistent, and always a threat to wear down the defense as the game goes on. The passing game is meant to build off of that. I don’t think Chip buys into the West Coast/Reid plan where the passing game sets up the run game.
Even so, if a team is selling out on your run game, you still want to be able to throw a knock out punch.
Or at least consistently move the ball through the air. The knockout punches come organically when the defense is on play 10 of a drive in hurry up and their heads are spinning, their lungs are heaving, and their muscles burning.
New orleans having a fire sale apparently, wonder what they want for their two kennys? Stills and vaccaro. Stills is a nice fast deep threat with decent size still on a rookie contract, and kenny vaccaro was the 1st safety off the board in the draft a couple years ago, still on his rookie contract, looked like a 1st round safety early on but fell out of favour with coaching staff last year…anybody have any more insight on him? Could he be a good scheme fit for us?
I always prefer building through the draft as opposed to free agency but my favourite remaining targets tashaun gipson and vaccaro seem to be better than any safety available on the draft and stills is very similar to devin smith who’s projected to go in the late 1st or second round
Both guys would be perfect scheme fits. Vaccaro was the best safety in the 2013 draft by far and Kenny Still would be a perfect outside WR instead of Cooper (SoonerBias and all)
No doubt! unfortunately Stills just got shipped to the dolphins. ah well
They’re both on rookie contracts and better than what we have. Bring them in.
I was initially concerned about having 4 RB. Last year, we had 4 TE and 3 RB. Don’t think 3 TE and 4 RB is much different. Wish one of the RB was Keith Byers, though.
Burton may fit that role. If Polk signs elsewhere or we trade him (6th or 7th round pick), Burton could fill that role in and emergency.
Agreed, Burton is a beast and is cheap to keep.
IMO he will make this team.
He is also a gifted ST’er, so I can’t see Chip kicking him to the curb just yet.
This is about the only semi-realistic trade up for Mariota that would not gut our draft (thus leaving us unable to address S, WR, and G (x2)). I’m assuming that if a team offered a first for Bradford, it was Cleveland’s #19. So 19 + 20 + Kendricks to Oakland for #4. This would also free up significant cap space to address our holes.
no Kendricks. Let MM keep falling if you want him.
If you were willing to trade Kendricks just go to #2. If not, let him fall to 6 (Jets) or so.
I’d rather go Bradford and Kendricks than have MM.
I feel like Fisher is the guy we take round 1 if he is there so that really has me worried about S. If we trade Mathis, and I hope we don’t, maybe for Bush from the Saints?
The safety you want from the Saints is Vaccaro, not Bush
Vacccaro I was not expecting to be available but I would be good with that. Somehow we need to land someone before the draft that can compete for the other starting spot.
don’t they have to eat dead $$ to move him?
culliver to the skins
Pot roast and culliver to the deadskins eh? Someone needs to go down to DC and fill scottys water bottle with vodka…just kidding..kinda
So – Bradford was a long, detailed, well researched move. DM was a knee jerk reaction. LOL. Thank you Gore. I’m ever MORE happy you left. Never like you coming here.
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Rooky wr to go with 2nd year starters n Cooper? I’m guessing most teams are already stacking the box to stop the run.
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I wonder if the Shady trade was as long of a research process as Bradford.
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Maybe Chip hasn’t lost his marbles….lol.
Shady trade reportedly came together in 20 minutes.
wow.
That is not true
He was on the block. That is a fact. Arians confirmed it.
When Arians knew Shady was on the block, it didn’t happen in 20 minutes. The negotiations with the Bills may have lasted 20 minutes, but that doesn’t mean there were no other offers.
I believe it. Just look at his salary for 2015 then compare it to Kiko’s.
Then you divide that by getting Murray and Mathews, and it’s easy to see why they pulled the trigger so quickly.
Some decisions are easier than others, and this was a no brainer.
Go Eagles !!!!!
Shady’s a different style of back than anyone they’ve been linked to since. Gore/Murray/Mathews – all are more similar in style to each other than they are to Shady. Like TL said (I think yesterday) – Shady was the homerun hitter who strikes out a lot. Chip wants the consistent doubles hitter to keep his hurry up offense on the field.
Many teams throughout the history of the NFL have had the “box stacked” against them and have still been able to run the ball very effectively. Hat on a hat, RB makes the first guy miss, and we’ve got 2nd and six, then 3rd and two, then first down – both of the guys we signed average over 4 YPC (yes, I know that doesn’t mean every time). Not every run needs to gain 20 – 30 yards to have a very effective run game.
some sammy b info.
“The quick decision making, quick release, accurate guys that’s what Mariota is and that’s what Sam Bradford has,” he said. “I think he’s a much better thrower coming out than Mariota is.”
Jeremiah echoed those sentiments at the end of last year writing, “Personally, I thought Bradford was more a accurate passer in college than Mariota.”
This goes back to what we discussed about Bradford’s college offense the day after the trade. It was super high tempo, spread concept predicated on making fast decisions and getting the ball out quick. People forget that when Bradford was in college, it wasn’t then offensive coordinator Chip Kelly’s Ducks that played the most snaps in the nation… It was Bradford’s Sooners.
The biggest place Bradford can improve on Foles is getting the ball out faster. Being able to get through his reads and find the open man quickly. We left a lot of plays on the field last year. Bradford doesn’t have a good reputation with the deep ball, so I have to imagine that it is in processing speed where he is a 2nd+3rd/4th draft pick plus ~$10M better than Foles. I hope.
sammy b has a cannon there’s a video of his passes over 15 yards, take a look, i was impressed.
Yes, but the stats (advanced and conventional) also indicate he’s one of the worst deep throwers in the league. And it’s not just his supporting cast that was to blame – Shaun Hill and Austin Davis were much better on the deep ball when he was hurt.
Well we have no one to run deep so it doesn’t matter.
Every Eagles fan should read this interview
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/13/joe-banner-chip-kelly-philadelphia-eagles-overhaul/
I cant but have respect for Joe Banner, he helped change the NFL when he was here (the salary cap roll over was put in the new CBA because other teams had zero clue on how to be as creative as Banner was with contracts)
I will read the interview asap. I follow him on Twitter, too. I don’t always share his opinion, but he really is an interesting follow. I get the feeling he’s totally open and just speaks his mind, and at the same time, he knows a lot about the business part.
He speaks his mind, but he also always avoid commenting on anything Eagles or Brown front office related.
Yes. But at the same time, he’s a huge Chip Kelly fan. At least he used to be (have to read the interview on how he thinks about the Offseason for the Eagles so far). So he does talk Eagles, just not Howie or Lurie.
Yea Banner sounds like a giant Kelly fan, but I can see why. Both are aggressive guys who aint affraid to do things outside of the box.
Things like removing the FA tag from Trotter to the TO trade, to his cap manipulation was outside of the box thinking.
He also wanted him as HC while he was with the Browns. Badly. Just didn’t have a plan B, never understood why you would hire Chudzinski. Imho, being OC for Carolina doesn’t scream “new HC in the making”.
Thanks. Great read. Very honest and thoughtful. Hard not to respect him after reading that.
Banner is no dummy. Wasn’t he the NFL’s Cap czar a while back? I don’t agree with his conclusion that Chip wanted an alternative to Shady, though. If we look at the chronology of events, even though Chip said Murray, Matthews and Gore were all targeted, it really looks like Shady was essentially a money dump, which facilitated the acquisition of 2 defensive starters. Then Gore was targeted, and he came a whole lot cheaper than DeMarco. I cannot speak to the Matthews pick-up, but that may have been hedging the bet on Murray, once Gore cancelled. Everyone is seeing the similarity between Shady’s deal and Murray’s, but Murray was a counter pick-up, and Kelly had no leverage. Even at that, Murray settled for less than his best offer. My point is just that folks tend to infer what they suspect or assume, but that doesn’t make it correct. With DeSean it was character, culture, mouth, practice, gangs, etc., when money was always a major issue of contention. If you are trying to re-make a team and you have a scat WR who disappears in RZ, and is getting paid elite WR money, you let him go, and the same applied to McCoy. If Kelly was asked if his offense missed Jackson in 2014, I think he’d admit that it did, but if you tie up your resources by overpaying, you don’t get the team you hope to get. Kelly did not sour on McCoy. He’s just trying to make the money go further.
ck basically said he wanted a 1 cut power runner and shady wasnt that, he didnt love running from shotgun, just a bad system fit, i don’t think it was really about the money.
If McCoy was what you say Chip said he wanted, which I don’t think he actually ever vocalized, I believe McCoy would still be gone because he led the league in rushing in 2013, and could well have done it last year barring plethora of OL injuries. Shady was highly productive in Chip’s scheme and I am convinced he’d still be here had he carried less of a revenue hit. In his PC Chip did say, it’s all about the money, and I think he’s being straight.
he had like 125 runs for 0 or negative yards last year(league leading), doesn’t run through contact ranked toward the bottom of the league in yards after contact, etc. you saw shady come out on third downs and goal line – money time for rbs – that’s when i knew he was probably gone.
if he was a $5m guy maybe they get another guy and split, but i still doubt it, why keep a guy if he’s not what you want.
Because you can’t always get what you want, and that is the point. At 5M, he;s going to ditch an elite RB because he’s too finesse? Maybe, but that is your inference, and I don’t buy it. I don’t think Kelly is a perfectionist. He strikes me as a realist, and having a top RB who hasn’t missed much playing time in his career is an asset you build around, not discard. His price tag made that untenable.
I’m still concerned about the hole at Safety and the possible hole at LG and the fact we still don’t have a starter at RG. Having Murray and Mathews is great, but they go nowhere without good blocking up front.
Goldson is out there. Vaccaro may also be available (although he would be costly).
As far as ACL concerns and never coming back, isn’t it less risky with Bradford who is more a pure passer than a speed guy?
QB’s get hit from different directions all the time and they always have people falling around their legs. I’d think ACL concerns are more risky for QB’s than not, especially for those that don’t run well. Remember, Cunningham tore his knee up from the pocket. Then again, McNabb tore his just running out of bounds.
If we’re sticking with “M&M” as the nickname for our running backs, I suggest amending it to M&Ms. Sproles’ addition to the name is proportionally sized.
Guys, what are we doing about the Safety position? I’m really afraid we’ll end up with a player like Nate Allen, just not named Nate Allen.
We have a huge hole at WR, but we can fix this in the draft. We will have two holes at Guard, we will have no competent Guard at all as soon as Mathis is traded (@ Tommy: Tobin? Really? He can compete in camp, of course, but he showed next to nothing last year). But: I trust Chip to fix it in the draft. And Guards can be plug and play.
At Safety, we are young, but we have 0, absolutely no skills next to Jenkins as it stands right now. If Wolff stays healthy and makes a leap – good. If Reynolds makes a leap – good. If the guy we signed from the Lions PS turns out to be solid depth – good. But we can’t expect them to. You need to give young players a chance, but you can’t expect a bunch of late round draft picks to be capable of starting.
Imho, you HAVE to do something at Safety pre draft. FA (but who is left???) or trade.
And no, imo Carroll or Watkins aren’t the answer. They should battle it out with Boykin (if he stays – could be someone we trade for a Safety) and Thurmond at Corner, with the camp “losers” as depth.
Another thing I don’t get: Chip said he earmarked every position with a cap figure. Howie used to do the same. He said he can change a certain amount of money, but I think the RB spending has more to do with taking money away from the WR position (Maclin leaves 10m on the table, rookies are cheap).
He wanted to pay McCourty 10m. Now of course, at that time, we thought we’ll pay our QBs combined 7m or so, now it’s ~ 19. But that can’t mean we will play with a scrub starting Safety, can it? Sorry, but that would be stupid.
Even if we for some stupid reason trade Mathis away, we’ll take Jake Fisher to fill his place (quack quack dumb move). There’s not really good safeties in the draft but some of them can be solid starters. WRs is a deep class this year. If you want names that we might be able to get in later rounds then go watch Chris Conley, Tre Mcbride, and Antwan Goodley.
Think they believe they have an in-house answer at safety? Carroll, Watkins, Wolfe, Reynolds? Good question for Kelly.
God I hope not.
And if they’d think that, why pay McCourty 10m per?
How stoked is Kelly about those in-house answers if he was willing to pay $10mil+ to convince McCourty to leave the Patriots?
Good point. But he may not think that any of the other safeties out there are enough of an upgrade to be worth the price. I’m pretty sure someone like Jenkins would go for a lot more on this year’s market than he did last year.
all dbs. last year the market was much better, so were the deals
I don’t see how. That question was answered last year imho.
I’m not totally sold that Wolff is what he is…. i think he could improve.
He could. But you’re not building your team around that, do you?
nah i agree. but its gonna depend on what they think of Carroll also and the CB situation
Good piece, Tommy, thanks. Hearing Chip speak alleviated my fears the guy has some sort of Emperor complex, thinking he can do no wrong and that every idea he has is genius. He came across as quite thoughtful and deliberate. I might not agree with everything he does, and getting Murray instead of Gore was clearly luck not planning, but I’m feeling like he has a reasonable vision for the team. Oh yea, I’m sure he’s relieved to know I approve.
He probably still has Emperor complex, but also has the political skills to calm people down when necessary. 🙂
Nothing that has happened should surprise anyone who has actually listened to Chip the past two years:
“repeatable accuracy”
“Big guys beat up little guys”
Sports science, execution, high tempo.
1. Bradford is an extremely accurate QB with a quick release, Foles is a big tough QB with erratic mechanics and a slow release – which one is likely to give you “repeatable accuracy”
2. Eagles defense is built around the front seven stopping the run, giving up yards underneath between the 20s, matching up against big WRs in the red zone, and bringing pressure on 3rd downs and getting off the field. So what’s Maxwell’s MO in Seattle – gave up underneath stuff but never got beat deep.
3. Shady is a very talented dancer, if you can get him through the LOS and set blocks on the second level he’ll give you big plays – but he also gets stuffed more than most RBs and puts your team in obvous passing downs, a big no-no for Chip. We just landed the top 2 RBs in YPC out of the shotgun, Matthews and Murray, and both are physical, one cut downhill runners, Not accidentally, both are among the top receiving backs (McCoy was mediocre at best) and are good pass blockers – McCoy might have been the worse pass blocking starting RB in the NFL. No more matador blitz pickup.
4. Graham is not good in pass coverage, but they have LBs like Jones, Smith and Long who could start on base downs – but on passing downs Graham is an elite pass rusher. The only player I wanted over him was Derrick Morgan, you can keep Orakpo.
5. They would have liked to keep Maclin, but I see Matthews moving outside, Huff to the slot and a WR or two drafted in the middle rounds. Chip in six years at Oregon had one season with a WR gaining 1000 yards (Maehl) and one season of a WR gaining 750 yards – i.e. WR isn’t a key position. Though while everyone is down on Cooper in 2014, note how good he looked in 2013 when his QBs threw the ball in his zip code. He’s a WR who must be thrown open, and gee, they just added an accurate QB who’s able to anticipate his receivers’ moves. However note the Eagles are looking at every athletic H-back out there. Keep an eye on Burton, he showed GREAT hands in camp last year and is as athletic as guys like Reed on the Skins – just never got a chance to master a position in college (RB, WR, H-back). Big WRs and H-backs means lots of blocking mismatches on the second level to set up big runs.
6. It would be a shame if Mathis is traded, but he turns 34 this season, name all the 35 year old starting NFL OGs the last decade or so. Yeah, I thought so, very short list (centers have the longest life expectancy). So by replacing Mathis and Herremans they set themselves up for the next few years – Wisneiwski should be a target, but he’s visiting Seattle. OL is absolutely essential, and they must invest draft picks in building serious depth here – all that money on RBs and Bradford will be wasted if they can’t maintain a top 5 OL.
7. Safety, who needs stinkin’ safeties? Looking at PFF, Allen, Coleman and Jarrett had some of the higher ratings among FAs, another way of saying if you don’t have one of the top guys, the rest are pretty interchangeable.
Sorry mate, nice post overall, but that statement is just WRONG:
“7. Safety, who needs stinkin’ safeties? Looking at PFF, Allen, Coleman
and Jarrett had some of the higher ratings among FAs, another way of
saying if you don’t have one of the top guys, the rest are pretty
interchangeable.”
That’s like saying: well, if you can’t have Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, let’s settle for Ryan Fitzpatrick, doesn’t makes much of a difference.
There is no more McCourty out there (let’s call him a 5). But it’s important to have a 0 or a 1, instead of a -3 (Nate Allen) or a -5 (any guy we have on the roster right now). There is value. And not just a little.
If we can get above average at either the cb or S position this year, it will be an enormous upgrade. As of now it looks like the Cbs, at the very least will be quite a bit better.
Well, at one position, yes. I like Thurmond, but I can’t say I know he will be better than Fletcher. We can hope and he probably is, but he could be injured again, after all.
And Carroll + Watkins couldn’t beat out Fletcher last year, for whatever reasons. Watkins was a rookie, so he has that as an excuse, but still.
With Thurmond, Watkins and Carroll you would really hope at least one of them is marginally better than Fletcher.
good post. not sure about 7, but first 6 got my riled up. Let’s go win the SB.
Also, even though we had this discussion around 7000 times: what do we make out of the Mariota pro day? Wasn’t pretty, apparently.
It really sucks for us that he threw at the Combine. Otherwise, with all the concerns about his readiness in a pro style offense, he could have easily dropped in our range. He probably is the 2nd most talented QB (on the field) in this draft class. But if the execs don’t like a QB class, it is possible that they go heavy on OL or Pass Rusher early. 2013 was an example of that.
Chip said he won’t mortgage the future. But it’s not even worth debating that he would love to have “the best QB in this draft” on his roster.
And in Chips offense, there wouldn’t be concerns about his lack of Pro style experience, obviously.
Chip knows him much better than anyone else, so MM might as well have a bad pro day. It won’t influence Chip’s view of him at all, I think.
If he falls there is only upside, Chip can move to get him or not.
Oh, I wasn’t saying his bad pro Day will infuence Chip. He could have gone 0/40 on his Pro Day, not connecting an easy 5 Yard out, and would be the #1 overall on Chips board.
My question was how much it COULD affect his draft stock. And when would Chip pull the trigger? You can bet that many teams would call the Browns at #19 if Mariota is available then – because, well, everybody who would be willing to invest a late 1st for MM would just KNOW that he’s gone at 20. But it will probably never come this far, because Chip would trade up for him. Chip said he won’t mortgage the future – but if MM would be there at, let’s say 12, trading up from 20 to 12 isn’t mortgaging the future at all. Or would Chip wait for 15? Would he trade up to 10? All we know is, if MM falls out of the top 6, it will get really, really interesting.
I think Jets at 6 has some possibility. I’m not sure I see MM really falling and falling to 12 or 15. I just don’t see it. QB is too important in this league.
You’re right. But it does happen sometimes. Remember Geno Smith being a discussed target when we had the #4?
Now, it’s no given that this happens, of course. But I wouldn’t rule it out. Not with a bad pro day in combination with questions about the pro style readiness in his game.
Jets would suck for MM, btw. AFC East is as tough as it gets (AFC and NFC North are tough, too) when it comes to stadium, weather and wind. Mariota doesn’t have a total cannon, but you kind of need that if you play in Boston, Buffalo and New York.
By all the mistakes the Bills and Browns made over the years, signing or drafting QBs with noodle arms in their division was always flat out stupid. You can say about Cutler and Stafford all you want, but they got at least that going for them.
I was suggesting the Jets pick could be traded to us (that the Jets would be open to that, and the pick would be less expensive than # 1 or 2), not that the Jets should take him.
Ah, yes, that’s possible. Even though the Jets need a QB badly. But they could take Hundley at 20 or trade back from 20 again and take Petty. Would depend on the price Chip would be willing to pay, I guess.
they could get Bradford in the trade too. who knows. But Chip definitely has a stronger hand than before, hell I’m convinced he loves Bradford.
Also I think any smart FO wouldn’t be too influenced by the pro day. If you are a reporter etc. and only see him once this is big news. If you are a FO that has been studying him I would think the pro day is just one more small piece to the evaluation.
you’d think this but…..Bridgewater
Honestly, while the specific concerns are different, his story arc has taken the same path so far as Teddy Bridgewater. Going into the offseason, Bridgewater was describe as a clear top 5 pick. He then didn’t go to the Senior Bowl and you heard some concerns start to pop up. Those concerns continued throughout the offseason, peaking at his Pro Day where he struggled and there were all those pictures of him throwing with a watch on. His weaknesses started to get picked apart, but even right up to the draft, draft guys were all arguing that his game tape was still worthwhile and that his ability to throw at a Pro Day in shorts is meaningless. Of course he ended up falling all the way to the end of the first. MM’s offseason has been largely similar, minus the combine. Obviously they are different players and different issues, but I guess my point is that it isn’t out of the question.
Edited for mixing up two guys
“Would MM’s story continue to match GS after being drafted?”
Don’t think so if Chip gets him. Otherwise: absolutely possible. Depends on how much of a mess of a franchise he lands. Geno landed in one of the worst places a QB can land – Rex Ryan territory.
I actually meant Bridgewater as I was typing that, but I think GS if I remember correctly was largely the same. Just mixed up the two players. And you’re absolutely right. The idea that Chip would be the guy who ended up with MM would likely give MM the best chance of succeeding despite the fall in the draft (not that the fall in the draft in and of itself hurts a player’s ability, just that the concerns that other teams may have had are likely things Chip is better prepared to handle).
I don’t think we can glean anything from the latest moves nor Kelly’s words about their interest in trading up for Mariota. If they were interested in trying to get him, they can’t come out and say it. Kelly would say the same things he is saying now.
I have no idea. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
I sort of agree. He certainly was very convincing, and I don’t really think we are going to trade up for Mariota, but IF Chip was planning to trade up still, I don’t know what he would have said in this press conference that would have be any different.
I know this has been discussed earlier in the thread, but anyone who thinks Nick Foles wasn’t genuine is just plain wrong. You may not like his style, or don’t believe he could be the next Tom Brady, but the man is high character and hard work ethic.
Only time will tell how Foles and Bradfords careers turn out.
This is chips team, and he certainly has made things interesting. I love the Murray signing. Helps us and hurts the Cowboys, gotta love that!
I am not going to miss Nick’s press conferences. At all.
Yeah, I think Foles is authentic and sincere, but he has a built-in respect for authority and everyone else that does not allow him to criticize anyone other than himself, even to the slightest degree. His PC’s usually border on stock responses, but I don’t think that makes him fake, just ultra-respectful.
I actually met Nick back in January. He was very cool and just seemed like a big kid, but one of those rare kids who was raised right and follows the rules and says “Sir” and “Ma’am” and all that. I don’t think it’s fair to call someone like that “fake”. He was just being a team player.
Been thinking this a lot lately….thank you Frank Gore!!
Sproles and Huff are gonna have interesting roles this year…. that whole TAZR position idea is gonna be in full effect.
Here’s food for thought:
Sign Bradford to an extension. Downplay your interest in MM and put yourself in a better negotiating position for trading up. Let MM drop a bit in the draft and get him at a much more reasonable price. Let Bradford play in your qb friendly system for a year while MM sits driving up his value. Trade Bradford for much more than you paid for him.
Profit.
Moneyball. Chip looks like Brad Pitt
MattE:
Hopefully, you’ll come back and elaborate on how acquiring a QB with a 1-year $13M contract who’s played football only 4 of the last 75 NFL-season weeks is “Money Ball.”
Or anyone else. I’d like to see the argument line by line.
Taking chances on injured athletes is right out of Sam Hinkies playbook i believe… we took a $11mill RB and turned him into DeMarco Murray and Kiko Alonso… am i missing something?
…do you really think that contract stays like that? Come On Man!
and i believe $13 mill is half of what Tony Romo is being paid? The market for an elite QB is $20mill period. I believe $13mill is 65% of $20mill therefore i temper my expectations to 65% meaning I am 65% on board with Bradford lol.
allocating that much money to offense in general has been a little contradictory to my belief a few weeks ago, but Alonso’s contract skews things a bit. personally i thought chip was aiming for a $80 mill defense.
I still cant believe Ive convinced myself that Im curious to see Bradford in this offense. Told me that a year ago and I would have scoffed. Not a fan of MM so hope hes someone elses bust.
same…. for me, id easily take Bradfords skill set over MM…. Bradford can play in chips type of offense like MM can, only Bradford is actually a proven passer against NFL defenses(on some level atleast)…
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if you told me we had to lose Foles, I would hope for a QB with Sam’s skill set, of course Id rather have MM’s Knee’s but thats a dfferent story… in terms of skill set, im happy to have Sam
ya exactly, now with the 3 headed beast attack in the backfield its kind of a good fit for him trying to come back. Takes a lot of pressure off him,
cant….. too much injury risk. have to see him before we can extend him
We can protect ourselves against injury in a contract. I could see us doing an additional 2 years to get the money down this year and give Sam some guarentees. However he would lose some of that guarenteed money in the event of a season ending injury. Peyton signed a similar deal with the colts. Its why they were able to get out of that deal
mc fadden to dallas
Interesting.
hahahahah they cant test their theory
Depends on the money, I guess.
The can and will draft a RB. Hope they find one who does suck. Dream scenario: Trent Richardson reloaded.
Or they somehow get their hands on AP. Don’t know how they could pay him, though.
F Dallas. Lol.
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
All I know is, training camp coverage is going to be fun.
Any news on the Evan Mathis trade speculation?
Nope. Though it won’t surprise me if the Eagles send him to St. Louis while giving up a 3rd rounder in 2016. 😉
Think about it, Dallas fans were really talking about Chip Kelly. #trader
I would get HBO again (and sign up for 5 years) if the Eagles did hard knocks lol.
Chip won’t allow it
unless Chip is Producer/Director/Writer/Wardrobe/Casting.
We can’t be compelled because we have made the playoffs in the past 2 years.
Giants, Redskins, Vikings, Bucs, Rams, Browns,Texans, Jags and Titans can all be forces to do it. Johnny Football makes too much sense for them not to do the Browns.
Bucs makes a lot of sense, especially if they take winston
Giants would be fun to see Coughlin yell at everybody or redskins to see how incompetent Gruden is and the whole rg3 thing
Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet but:
Did you guys see the joe banner interview in mmqb? Really fascinating point of view, and he thinks Chip’s moves were good.
I really like Joe Banner.
As an analyst I agree. He is great on twitter.
I posted about it further down
sorry for the repost – I figured someone had but was too lazy to check…
Just read it. Interesting view from an outsider who use to be an insider, but who is currently a total outsider at the moment.
The biggest thing i took away was that Chip has asked Banner for advice.
Fairley to the rams, what a DLine!!
But who’s their QB
heard some radio guys talking and saying how they had a few 4th qtr comebacks last season. Were playing a more controlled offensive game per Caldwell. Not that stafford is all of a sudden special, just that they are kind of a different team now.
they’re crazy they have 3 FA holes on o-line, no decent rb no decent WRs but like 8 all pro lineman
They still have the draft to build up skill players and O-Line.
3 ol, plus skill players, 1 draft? their focus is clearly not on helping their new qb.
They’ve become the Pre-Flacco Ravens!
and they got another figgin edge rusher akeem ayers
He’s visiting there, hasn’t signed yet.
Never mind, just announced.
i have no clue how anyone with any understanding of our defense and what we look for in players could even think landon collins might be an option for us….
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truth is, I like Collins, not bad for an alabama DB which i tend to view as trash..I like the big hitting safeties…. but knowing what we look for in safeties I try not to allow myself to like Collins and view him as an option so that i dont have to get upset on draft night when we pass on him…
That’s why we have to go FA or trade for a starting Safety, imo. We’ll find a good WR or OL when we’re on the clock at 20, but there won’t be an elite Safety, since Collins is no scheme fit.
Maybe, maybe there’s a Safety we like in round 2 or 3. But after that, I don’t think we’ll find a starter. And we need one, badly, freaking badly, there is NOTHING right now at that position.
If Chip finds a decent Safety in FA (whom??) or via trade, I’m fine. I trust him to find one or two WR and two or three OL.
hoping for a trade, if not I guess my money is on the kid from Virginia, anthony Harris… solid cover ability, needs to add some muscle….. but im not thrilled about any of the safeties in the draft….. trade for Tashuan gipson, pay a 2nd and a 5th if we have to… he is the missing link to a bad ass defense
Yeah I’ve been banging the Gipson drum for days. But now with everything else they’ve done, I’m not sure the cap room is there for a deal Cleveland wouldn’t just match
Kelly talked to Sam’s college coaches. He watched all of his NFL throws.
Did Kelly actually say this? He didn’t watch any of Sanchez’s NFL tape.
Yes he did. Calmed me down, too. For a smart man, Chips comments about only watching Sanchez High School or College tape, whatever it was, it was just dumb.
But he made it clear with Bradford and I actually believe him. It’s not like Chip is a lazy HC.
Did you think Chip was a lazy HC before he said that?
Of course not. Only watching Sanchez High school tape (if he not just said so – but why should he say that if it isn’t true?) was dumb, imho, but not lazy.
A lazy HC wouldn’t travel to 15 Pro Days around the country.
you mean 15 pro days in one week……. by the time prodays are over chip visits atleast like 40 of them
Yeah he said they watched every throw of his pro career. They talked to anyone who coached him in college plus Shurmer knows him from his rookie year. So unlike Sanchez, they definitely did their due diligence.
to be fair, much smaller sample size than sanchez
Yeah I think its more that Chip is basically hitching his wagon to Sam and he wanted to be sure.
He did say something like that.
There are a few things at play there -1) Sanchez was getting signed regardless of Kelly’s opinion. The difference between this year and last.
2) Sanchez was a free agent. The only thing you lose by signing him was money, not roster talent. That money was going to somebody regardless.
3) Bradford is here to be the starter, that’s a much more important decision than a journeyman back up.
“sanchez was getting signed regardless of Kelly’s opinion” — um, how is that possible?
Howie.
It’s just speculation. But free agents are signed by GMs without coaching consent in more than one organization.
The fact that Sanchez was the consensus “top” free agent QB in the last two years implies that landing him as a back up would be an easy decision for most teams that need a back up.
Just speculation, though. It’s not how the Eagles usually run (as far as we know), but Sanchez signing may have been front office driven at a time when Kelly was still outside the f.o.
I’d say — no and no, followed by a no. People need to understand and accept — CK has said it over and over — he has final say on roster. There is(are) no “front office driven” decisions. No matter how people like to wonder or speculate. This IS CK’s team. Not Howie’s – not front office driven.
Final say on roster is not the same as signing free agents.
Truth.
There’s reality — and there’s what you’re thinking. I’ll take reality every time. You’re trying to spin the definitions to try and confuse the matter. FA or players on the teams or trades — what ever affects the roster number — CK has final say. Not partial, not 3/4’s — full 100%. Go and listen to his press conference. It’s quite clear. Of course you can agree to not believe that and that’s ok … however — please — and I beg — don’t kick the Yankees when they are down .. they do suck 🙁 …
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part of me would to hear your definition of “signing free agents” has nothing to do with final say on the roster. It would be fun. I mean, Costello(from Abott and Costello) proved that that 28 divided by 7 = 13 so I’m sure there’s a way you can explain…
You make it seem like you’re in the room with “inside knowledge.”
I’m just positing a possibility. Despite you’re insistence it’s still a possibility. Do I believe that’s the reason Kelly said he didn’t watch the Sanchez pro film? No. But it’s an explanation.
There are three possibilities -Kelly’s lying. Kelly’s an idiot. Or there were circumstances that made him spend his time on other matters.
I do believe Kelly when he says he didn’t watch it (unless he was joking, I didn’t see the tape but only read the quote). Coaches generally don’t outright lie. They’ll mask the truth with “I gotta do a better job” or “he’s a heckuva player” or “he’s the all time leading running back on this club”, but they won’t stand there and tell an outright lie. Mostly. I don’t think Kelly is that type.
I also don’t think he’s an idiot.
That leaves us to speculate on scenarios why Kelly wouldn’t have watched Sanchez’ pro film. I’m throwing some possibilities out there.
No inside info. I’m just going by CK words. He has a team of people that evaluate. He has a team that makes suggestions. He makes the final decision. He didn’t say ‘as a group we decide’. I don’t think there’s any room for speculation anymore when it comes to the roster. Last year, we have no idea who picked Marcus Smith — but we can assume HR did by Chips words…
There is no way Lurie and a group of others got together, went to Chip and you have to take Sanchez.
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Maybe Chip didn’t need to see his tapes because he really really like Sanchez.
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We can speculate if Chip calls Howie and says “can we fit this guy under the cap” … But a final Yes or No on a player — is Chip.
So do you think Howie had the power to make a first round pick despite Chip’s opinion, but not the power to sign a back up player?
Seems like Roseman did have “say” on the roster in that scenario.
Again, we have no idea how it went down. It’s just hard to swallow that CK would say “Get me Sanchez!” without fully investigating.
PS: Fuck the Yankees.
Strangely Chip Kelly saying that Chip Kelly is happy with picking up Sam Bradford doesn’t make me feel any better about getting Sam Bradford.
we all know the measurement requirements but im not at all surprised to see us let Boykin compete outside…;. very talented corner… think the major reason we didnt let him play outside because the nickel position is as important as playing aoutside and we had no one besides boykin with Nickel experience. Nolan was always an outside corner, last year was the first time he played inside in the dime role….
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our CB depth is so solid now with a plethero of corners who can play outside and in…. this year its not a big deal if Boyin wins the outside spot because we have thurmond who plays inside and out, we have Carrol who got a year of inside experience last year and played well… and Jaylen Watkins is now in the mix for playing time inside too.,..
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so if Boykin wins the outside job, so be it, we have a bunch of slot options that we didnt have before this year
yup, Im thinking same thing, esp once we signed Thurmond but ya, Watkins and Carrol also. Hope he at least gets a shot there which we still dont know will happen.
my favorite to win the outside CB spot is Carrol,…. took some time to go back and watch his tecnique playing outside CB in the past, and i think Philly hasnt seen his best yet. Athletic, intelligent and a tough scrappy corner, my money is on Nolan to win the spot opposite of Maxwell, but i dont really care because we have a ton of corner options I like…
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thinking that the Eagles and the Jets will have a sick dime package after the free agent moves
Finally have some decent depth, its nice now just need another safety. Cmon Wolff ha. Milliner is their 4th CB now coming off that achilles I think it was.
Should have let Boykin compete outside on 2 wide sets last year, slide him into the slot on 3 wides.
Seems fairly contemptible that we wouldn’t give him a shot last year with that train wreck we were fielding out there but this year we will.
seemed like we didnt want to get too complicated in the first two years of the defense…. the real crime is we gave bradley the long leash to get his confidence back instead of making the switch to Nolan, who i thought was going to win Bradleys job anyway if he didnt get hurt so late in the summer
i think it was the db coach. thurmond and boykin are basically the same size. i think there’s been a chance in philosophy.
i dont… think we have a plethora of inside options now that can handle the role only boykin could handle last year
Sheldon Brown did exactly that for years
jimmy johnson wasnt trying to build a no huddle defense to counter todays tempo offenses
I am feeing better about the Shady move after the Murray and Mathews signings, I like adding Thurmond, and Bradford at least impressed me at his PC. I still hate the trade we made for him, however. And I still think letting Maclin walk will come back to haunt us.
https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/576404223694340097
McFadden kinda looks like Kanye, minus the muscles and neck
Kempski’s drawings make me laugh almost every time
lame if you ask me…..
No one asked.
i dont get it, i answer you once a month if that, and you feel the need to sweat me every single day? get a grip of your inferiority complex, backl to invisible you go
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how clever, media drawing stick figures, as if the coverage already wasnt trash. very professional
Go a day without sucking or spamming and go a day without getting “sweated”.
I kind of get the sense Jimmy has had to tone things down with his recent gig, no?
I think he just has to post more often, which means it’s harder to come up with clever/creative stuff all of the time.
right, good call
I don’t know. His Ryan Mathews one yesterday was great. I love the offseason plan one too. At first they bugged me but they grew on me
we often were frustrated with why we didnt just move Boykin outside in two WR sets, and while i certainly understand why Fans like that idea Im not sure its a fit for our defense…. i know sheldon brown showed everyone it can be done, but Jim Johnson wasnt trying to build a no huddle defense.
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keep in minmd the goal is to build a no huddle defense, that can adjust on the fly to however the offense lines up if they dont allow us to substitute, for example we want safeties that can come downb and line up man to man on a slot WR if the offense doesnt let us sub our nickel package into the game..
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so while some teams have corners who play outside against two WR sets and move to slot corner when 3 WRs come on the field….. that doesnt work for a no huddle defense… what will you call timeout every time you wanna move boykin back in the slot because 3 WRs are in the game… ..it just doesnt fit wit the ability to build a defense so versatile that can adjust to anything without needing to substitute
Not sure why Boykin can’t line up on the outside and then line up on the slot on consecutive playts without calling a time out. I think the more likely scenario is that they see him in practice every week and don’t like what he brings to the outside CB spot.
https://twitter.com/bleedinggreen/status/576405237646417920
per MM he hasn’t visited there. I’m not saying it can’t happen, but how could a FO know what they are doing in mid March when this kid hasn’t even visited. I hate these types of headlines.
Eskin’s sources are other NFL teams. So not only have the Redskins decided, but they are telling other teams.
Eskin saying skins will package mariota w/desean for bradford
jesus christ, is eskin confusing reality with his current season of maden football(franchise mode)?
You’re joking about that. You must be joking. Or he’s joking.
But wouldn’t it be hilarious if that actually happened?
it would be so good, the football outsiders collective would rename their website to soccer outsiders
oh yeah I heard chip is high in djax
they are hoping that someone will jump up and trade. tactic would work if it wasn’t so transparent.
good… hopefully the keep drafting Running QBs underdeveloped to throw against NFL defenses and NFL coverages….. you think the redskins are goimng to scheme him easy defined throws like chips offense? hope they do get this kid, they will trade him to us in 3 years and then chip can beat them with him,…. if they draft him, RG3 will be our back up next year
Nick Foles PC soon
we know CHEMICAL BURN from footballoutsiders will be tuned in…
—begin sad—
“I think Kelly’s problem with Foles is that Kelly is an egomaniac who believes Foles’ performance in 2013 is what literally any mildly competent player SHOULD be doing in his system and getting stuck with Foles just because he DID put up unreal numbers irked him to no end.
Because Foles seems like the nicest dude in the world. That’s the weirdest part: Foles is so laid-back and unassuming. This isn’t Djax or McCoy, where the guy is outspoken and flamboyant. Foles is like the ultimately team player.”
–end sad–
Wasn’t the band’s name in Sunny CHEMICAL TOILET? Is this Mac?
Sleeper FA at safety – Dwight Lowery. Sort of a journeyman, but played very well last year with Falcons. Has some history of concussions.
You had me with “history of concussions”, tell me he’s got two reconstructed knees and I’m hooking up Kelly with his agent.
We don’t have much cap room left. All we’re going to get at this point is guys close to the minimum and because of that concussion history Lowery could end up being a bargain.
i dunno about that…./ if there is someone worth signing we have contracts we can shed or restructure to free up money
True, but until that happens I’m going to assume otherwise.
until it happensim going to assume we dont like anyone enough to shed current salary, or discussions with the player we like havent started to heat up yet
Nasty Nick says Eagles are fools for trading him and he’s going for 500 yards, 8 TDs when he meets them in the playoffs.
Boy rams PC is so old fashioned and boring, poor nick
You left out, “Then I’m gonna drop my nutsack on Lurie’s forehead and make him call me ‘Big Ram’.”
Most. Boring. Offseason. Ever.
I know – it’s after 12 and they haven’t cranked up the roller coaster yet
About the hole at safety…
The trend seems to be that the Eagles are targeting Safeties who are former Cornerbacks. Even Malcom Jenkins is a former Cornerback.
Jaylen Watkins has some experience at safety in college and practiced at that position last year too. Do Eagles see him as a possibility at that position? Maybe they think none of the free agents besides McCourty would be an upgrade over him?
It was interesting to see that when Chip talked about the addition of Thurmond, he said he would compete with Boykin and Carroll for the starter job opposite Maxwell. He didn’t mention Watkins…
Do Eagles view Watkins as a Safety or Cornerback, or both? Chip also mentionned the importance of drafting and developping players…
They could potentially view him as a safety, not cornerback. He fits the mold. I doubt they’re comfortable with only him and the other S options on the team right now.
Either way, they need to make a decision so Watkins can LEARN one or the other…switching him around this much is goingn to stunt his growth
sometimes a coach leaves a name out by accident…. wouldnt go searching for too many clues into the wording of a pressconference especially when half of what chip says is a lie, as it should be… only dumb coaches would tell us the truth….
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but you arent wrong about Jaylen… I dont think he can win the outside CB spot with all the players ahead of him, but he shuld be competitive for the safety position, nickel and dime CB roles
WTF, Nick Foles PC is already over, they asked him like just 1 or 2 questions. Man that must be really boring to me a rams fan.
Yeah my Rams fan friend had been crying for a move to LA he says the team is too boring
A come back to LA would be so cool though. I’ve always liked this team.
sam bradford a few times made some comments kind of pointing to how boring it is to play football in that city
part of me thinks players, contrary to previous click-bait-stephen-a-et-al reports, want to be *the ones* who deliver the goods to philly for the first time
dude, fuck that simple minded cartoon, and fuck walt disney for not suspending him… in the span of a week he accused chip of being a racist, and 3 days later he is mocking Manny Paqioa doing a poor tasteless immitation of an asian guy saying the things manny said?…. how is disney allowing this?
Had Sportscenter on for a minute (I SWEAR, barely a minute) a little while ago and who is helping preview the upcoming UFC match? Mr. Chael Sonnen!
chael P Sonnen…. THE MAN….. Im surprised he hasnt joined WWE Wrestling yet…. he can make Millions with his mouth in the WWE
he wont be bored in philly
http://www.aaos.org/news/aaosnow/aug13/clinical1.asp
The overall IRR for athletes who had undergone ACL reconstruction was 1.39/1,000 AE
first google result for “acl second tear”
I think eagles game with murray and bradford will be better thrillers than any cliffhanger produced by modern TV show
exactly, like, every offensive play will be like the hank/walt-garage-door-closes showdown!
A lot of the time injury risk after an injury is a result of a bad rehab. I’m not talking about the physical healing aspect, but the part where you train the person’s muscles to work together correctly again. I have it on good word that by now NFL teams have a good grip on that aspect of rehab and lesser levels of sports do not, so I wouldn’t take a study that looks at “young”, amateur athletes as predictive for NFL players. Especially if they’re looking at females, who on top of being amateurs in that study seem to have a predisposition to knee injuries in general just due to factors like greater hip width.
study looked at 19 male athletes. Not really a powerful enough study to make a strong conclusion.
i havent gotten the slightest idea who the next free agent we target will be… like i dont even have a name worth throwing out there. we could see a quiet day, take a break for a few days and wait for the the second tier of the market to calm down
Damn, Kenny Stills to the Dolphins. Have no idea for what. I had hoped we could get him.
Rand Getlin
@Rand_Getlin
3m3 minutes ago
Source: The #Saints are in the process of trading WR Kenny Stills to the Miami #Dolphins.
thats weird…. i would view Stills as a replacement for Wallace… wouldnt want both in my stable of WRs….
Could it mean goodbye wallace?
Yeah, I was just about to add that. It could mean they cut Wallace. We reportedly showed trade interest in him last year.
BRING ON WALLACE
Hope we don’t see a Mathis for Wallace trade.
I don’t see the saints taking on Mathis at all – they’re trying to shed salary so it would be counterproductive. Any team that takes him is going to need to give an extension. I just don’t see the saints doing that
Doesn’t make sense but they were one of the teams reported to be interested in him.
They had just traded Grubbs. Maybe just kicking the tires?
why trade grubbs and replacxe him with an old guard like mathis who also makes good money?
too expensive
doubt we can fit wallace under our cap, doubt chip would pay so much for a selfish player…
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“its not always about what a player can do for you, its also about what a player is willing to sacrafice”-chip kelly
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tho im sure wallace can get his stats in this offense so if he agrees to a significant restructure, who knows…
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i heard when we lost Maclin to keep an eye on Bowe and Wallace, but i found it so odd and hard to believe, the problem is the guy isnt the type to bullshit.. I dont know if i ever remember him saying something I found so hard to believe like this, so its been driving me crazy all week… i dont know what to think… of course I heard this over a week ago, and we can change courses in the offseason as a blink of an eye… so even if it was true, it may not be true now after we spent so much of our cap, since I heard that rumor…. this is very hard for me to believe
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of cours right now its probably not as simple as who we want…. it becaomes all about “who we want at certain price”…. we obviously wanted Maclin, but not at the price KC paid…. Browns are said to be in on Bowe and they are desperate and will drive his price up if we bid against them…. and I dont know how Bowe/Coop would work as our outside WRs, although it would be a great tandem for our run game
Just a guess — but draft picks…
sure its possible,.he is supposed to restructure but it hasnt happened yet
Maybe its not going well and they’re using stills as leverage. I think I’d rather have stills anyway
absolutely… wallace is a selish player… cant win the ultimate team game with selfish players…. for 60million he should do backflips on the coaches command
i would try to get Stanley Jean Baptiste from the Saints…
What about vaccaro?
Doubt they’d trade Vacarro. I wanted us to sign S Rafael Bush to an offer sheet when he was a RFA last offseason. The Falcons eventually did and the Saints matched. Bush previously played for DEN when Undlin was DBs coach.
prolly too expensive…. Baptiste did nothing for the sainst last year, not first round money… probably easier for us to trade for… Vaccaro would cost some serious trade compensation and we have to take on his first round salary…. i wouldnt hate the idea
cowboys are interested in pairing steven Ridley with McFadden… ridley could be a nice add for them.. nice to see rivals sign ACL risks like ridley
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skins got culliver and potroast… we can see Culliver twice a year and know if it was a mistake not to target him… of course he doesnt have “Eagle Character”, he belongs in DC…. have the Giants done anything significant?
Pot roast is a big risk because of his weight. Hes always had problems with his weight and it cost him some serious money. They only signed him for 1 year, he could have had like a 3 yr 12 mil deal but turned it down and ended up having to settle for a 1 yr deal. Still a good player though.
him and that piece of shit Chris Baker are supposedly really tight, grew up together… allegedly potroast was showing up for team visits looking like a sumo wrestler lol
Was reading something by a skins blogger, sounds like he is so out of shape he almost failed his physical…what a waste
what kind of physical do you give a NT?
Dunno. Maybe run 10 yards and he fell at 9.5?
didnt the Giants sign Ridley?
im thinkning Vereen
I’m sure its been discussed before, but all the talk of CK wanting a “running” QB, or at least a highly mobile QB – and we have Sam, Barkley and MS (who at least is mobile). Guess mobile in college is fine but once in the bigs mobile is not so important 9because your QB gets killed).
ck wants quick decision makers over running qbs and there’s not a ton of super mobile guys that have what you need from a passing / decision making point of view.
apologies if this has been posted: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/3/13/8208243/nfl-draft-2015-redskins-marcus-mariota-washington-quarterback-RG3
nothing at all on cecil shorts.
Browns, Jets have been reported to have interest.
i would really like seeing him in our offense if he stays healthy, i just dont see how its possible because I see him more as a slot Weapon in our offense, instead of a player chip wants lining up on the outside, and we havbe plenty of slot weapons.. we need an outside WR
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Cecil is from Cleveland so he gets linked to the browns (some imagination huh?) but they signed Hartline and are said to be after Bowe… Cecil would be dangerous in the slot with Brandon Marshall and Decker outside…… i like him,, i just dont see how he solves any of our problems/
damn…. i forgot about him.
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
18s18 seconds ago
Saints reached agreement with former Bills RB CJ Spiller. Saints backfield
getting crowded: Spiller, Mark Ingram, Khiry Robinson.
the Chip Kelly strategy.
Armstead on the trade block, could be nice, what do you guys think? Boy saints are burning everything to the ground.
Can we not have Vaccaro instead?!
Why not both? 🙂
Well apparently he was joking.
Per PFT, the Dolphins traded LB Dannell Ellerbe and their 3rd round pick for Stills.
Nice deal for the fins
I think Lions, Eagles and Saints are part of a master plan to help the other teams of the AFC East dethrone the patriots, yeah that would make sense
Dolphins, Bills and Jets have been clown cars for more than a decade. It’s a testament to Rex Ryan as a coach that he managed to get the Jets deep into the playoffs despite a dysfunctional front office.
Until one of those three teams puts together competent management, Belichick can cakewalk through the division almost every season.
cj spiller is a saint
Is he?! How do you know that? Does he go to curch every Sunday?
Cmon!!..I see what you did there but that was a brutally failed attempt at a joke lol
I know. My bad. I blame it on my hangover.
Completely understandable friend
wait, but hasn’t he been injured?
need the chargers to steal Melvin Gordon from Dallas
Or Jerrah to be Jerrah and do something stupid (like trade with the browns for Johnny football – one can hope right?)
Came into this offseason with no knowledge of Mariota.
Went and watched the tape, came back impressed with his speed and decision making. Not a fan of his downfield passing or his arm.
Id bet we don’t draft a QB at all in this draft.
I really think we need to go Oline with the first pick.
I think picking a OL first is the surest thing we could do unless Amari Cooper becomes available somehow.
If we draft a WR or S then how much does the talent drop off for OL in the later rounds?
I am worried about the health of J.Peters or even if he has many seasons in front of him.
Isn’t it critical to get a OG and OT early? And take chances on CB and WR in later rounds?
Im not even saying this because of our RB situation now. Which is great nonetheless.
I think with a powerful OL, this season becomes competitive even if FS is not sealed and WR is questionable and development dependent.
I think the moves made have only pushed me further to believe we should take a OL with the first pick. I mean idk what we should do. I just am speculating that may be the next step.
Of all the years ive been an eagles fan, the only year I liked the offense was the year we had TO.
Before then, it was Duce and Mcnabb flushed out of the pocket extending the play.
After that was Vick and I never liked his style of football. but hey it was exciting.
Then Foles, the year with Jackson and McCoy was exciting.
But I cant wait to see that consistency in the offense. Yeah, I think we may have less in the way of explosive plays, but I think the ability to drive the field on a consistent basis will set this team up for when we build those explosive players around a solid game.
I’d be shocked if we didn’t draft all offensive line/back end. But I believe “shock” and “eagles” are now tied together for the near future.
And I’m fine with it.
chris Long, Robert Quinn, Akeem Ayers as the edge rush rotation
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Nick Fairly, Brockers and Aaron Donald as the DT rotation…
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i do not look forward to ever playing against the rams. You mess around and get your QB hurt playing against a DL like that… I love it.. I hope they beat the living snot out of Carson Palmer, and every QB Pigface arians puts in after they knock Palmer into the training room…. oooooh if they get their hands on tiny russell Wilson, Oooooooh!!! Even Beastmode probably isnt looking forward to playing against them twice a year. Soft Jimmy Graham becomes iirelevant in a physical war like that twice a year. Pete Carrol might as well not even dress Jimmy Graham that week…then again, he is Barwins bitch and needs to ask Barwin if he is allowed to play anyway before every game..
eagles rams playoff game will be great.
rams not making the playoffs.
Depends on the draft. Give them a functioning OL if their secondary starts to improve Foles can take them to the play offs.
In a division with SEA and ARZ? Doubtful, will certainly help that SF is done.
make me feel like a jealous girlfriend and want to spend our #20th pick on OLB Bud Dupree or Oklahoma NT 330LB Jordan Phillips….
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A) Dupree option:
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………….Ced/Curry…..Logan/Beau….Cox/Hart…..
…….Barwin/Marcus…….Mykal……….Kiko………..BG/Dupree
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B) JORDAN Phillips:
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……Logan/Ced……..Phillips/Beau…….Cox/Hart…..
Barwin/Marcus…..Mykal………..Kiko…………..BG/???
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Curry either becomes our 3rd down specialist in the game every time its a passing situation next to cox.. or he is traded for an OLB to fill the ???? spot behind BG
Too bad their offense is atrocious…
for now… Tre Mason can play…Britt isnt horrible as a #2 or #3.. need to draft a #1 WR and get an OL, Greg Robinson is a great start
OL is huge. They’ve blown some $$ there
What would be the only thing better than Dallas signing Chris Johnson? I believe the answer has arrived!
Here is my ideal scenario, we draft impact players at S, WR, OL, browns trade up for mariota, cowboys trade for manziel to take over from romo, browns trade mariotta with us in year 2 thinking he’s a bust a la weedend, manziel,…
Fisher confirmed that he was offered a “low first round pick” for Bradford so looks like that part of Chip’s press conference was true.
Edit: Said Foles originally, meant Bradford.
Huh? So both Fisher and Kelly were offered first round picks for Foles and Bradford, respectively?!
He meant Bradford
but I thought — CHIP was offered a 1st. I don’t think Fisher was offered anything was he?
Fisher just said he was as well. Not sure if the same team that offered one to Chip.
Fisher wanted Nick.
Ah — missed that … thanks…
so this team offered chip a pick for Bradford and fisher a pick for foles?
stupid skins, we can see you!
For Bradford!
Yep, sorry about that. You’re right.
What year was that 1st?
Was it a conditional 1st?
Any picks, or players, going back as part of that deal if the Rams did it?
And what other conditions were part of that supposed offer?
Healthy skepticism when NFL coaches speak outside the cocoon of their facilities.
Feeling better? Because Kelly gave us one of his fast-talking press conferences that are one part con, one part spin, and 2-parts fact?
[ Note: When Kelly ends a sentence with the word “so” — something he does frequently — he’s (i) just answered a question that’s made him uncomfortable, and (ii) just said something that’s less than what he actually thinks. Not that he’s lying. Only that he’s telling half a story. ]
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The only problem anyone rationally expressed about Kelly’s moves has been limited, it seems to me, to the Bradford-Foles trade.
The rankle is Kely gave up a 2nd in 2016 *plus* Foles *plus* a swap of 4th and 5th rd picks in 2015. That seemed like it too much for Bradford — even with a possible 3rd or 4th coming back if Bradford pulls up lame or gets shipped off in a trade.
Why have some people complained about the 2nd in 2016?
Two reasons, at least. And maybe a third.
– Bradford’s played 4 out the last 75 possible NFL-season weeks.
– He’s on a 1-year $13 million contract — with no real context for an extension. Turning the deal into 1-year rental for what amounts to a pair of 2nd round picks.
– To a lesser degree . . . Kelly is not getting *his* QB — the guy he thinks is the BEST for running his offense for the next 10 years.
Kelly’s sifting through other teams rosters looking for a bargain among the best of the available QBs.
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I get that Bradford — coming off a shoulder injury his senior year at OU — was lights out at his pre-draft workout.
I get that 5 years ago, Sam Bradford was Troy Aikman re-incarnate, almost.
I get that Bradford, on tape 2 and 3 seasons ago, looks accurate and decisive with a great arm.
And I get that the dream of a healthy Sam Bradford in green is a very seductive one — assuming Bradford’s not lost whatever pocket-awareness he may have had.
BUT . . . I didn’t need Chip Kelly comparing Bradford to Brees and Brady — saying they all have injuries — to make me feel better.
Bradford’s missed:
-10 of 13 games in 2009
– 6 of 16 in 2011
– 9 of 16 in 2013, and
– 16 of 16 in 2014.
Brees? 4 games in 2003, 1 in 2004 — none since. None in 11 seasons.
Brady? 15 games in 2008. None before. None since, for 6 seasons.
Bradford? He’s missed 41 of his last 93 possible games (44%).
There’s absolutely nothing comparable about Brady and Brees versus Bradford — when it comes to injuries or performance. Nothing.
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Kelly also said, would Bradford be available if he didn’t have back-to-back ACLs on his left knee?
Seriously?
WE HAVE NO IDEA!!! Maybe yes. And maybe no. We don’t know because Bradford’s never played 2 full seasons in a row.
It’s just baloney by Kelly to say Bradford’s ACL’s the only reason he was available, because every player has injuries.
Bradford has had serious injuries EVERY OTHER YEAR, starting his last season in college.
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So does reading Kelly’s spin make me feel better?
About Bradford? Makes ZERO difference.
Bradford could be G-R-E-A-T in Kelly’s or any other system. If he can stay upright for 16 weeks.
My problem is only that Kelly overpaid for Bradford. Period.
No amount of his fast-talking spin, or double-knock on the lectern, will change that. Nor will Bradford playing well change that.
In contrast, the Maclin/McCoy deals were rationally defensible moves.
Kelly’s line about saving money on McCoy to get Alonso and Maxwell was just more spin. Getting Bradford more than ate up ever penny of savings on McCoy. As did the additions of the new RBs.
Like those moves, by the way.
But the PRICE for Bradford?
No, nothing Kelly says makes me feel better.
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 4m4 minutes ago
Jeff Fisher said he doesn’t know whether the team that offered him a first for Bradford is the same team that offered a first to the Eagles.
I think you make an extremely reasonable argument that Chip should just have avoided Sam Bradford altogether.
But his market price was the market price. I don’t think we can say Chip overpaid.
I don’t think so either, he wanted Bradford so he did what he had to do.
picks can be recouped when we unload talent again next year right?
That’s Kelly talking out both sides of his mouth.
He says he won’t make deals because he wants to *accumulate* more picks, not give them up.
Then he gives away a 2nd.
All I’m saying is, TOO MUCH SPIN from the guy.
How hard is it for this guy to be straightforward with the fans — or at least, not lather on the spin?
we are not worthy. Just bow when he walks by. And please, no eye to eye contact.
That’s beautiful. Bowery Boys.
I see it the same way mksp. Chip decided to take the risk on Sammy’s injury potential because of what he saw on tape. I believe him when he says Sammy’s price would have been way too high without the injury potential risk.
OD:
Impossible to know what Bradford’s price would be if he hadn’t missed half of his NFL career.
He might not be that great.
QBs with great pocket-awareness DO NOT get hurt.
Certainly not with the extraordinary frequency of Bradford.
Moreover . . . you comment confirms my theory that Kelly settled for Bradford and insists on winning with less than the best guy for his system — whoever that is.
I’d like Kelly to say that.
Well AC, we can agree to disagree. Given the Heisman, the National Championship, and his Aikman like Pro Day, I believe he has great NFL potential. He’s been on a very bad team which may account for some of his problems.
Still, I agree completely he is a huge injury risk. Chip has to be counting on Sports Science and a very, very strong run game to minimize injury risk.
5 years since that pro-day workout.
Long time.
Anyway . . . I’m just looking for some straight talk from the skipper.
Not injury comparisons to 2 QBs who’ve missed 15 games in the past 16 seasons combined.
AC – you will never get “straight” talk from Chip. He will give you glimpses if it serves a purpose. He takes exception at being judged outside of his win/loss record. With that stat he is very honest.
And he really hates to explain his actions to football illiterates (re the press and fanboys). Behind close doors, one on one with players or coaches, he is universally respected for his football smarts. Some things you have to take on faith but I see where you are coming from.
OD:
Most accurate portrait of the Skipper to date.
Thanks.
I can sense that when he answers, was it Les?, question … kind of put him in his place talking about injuries…
we will never get straight talk because he obviously has some contempt for the reporters
Did I say Bradford can be lights-out here?
Look at what Sanchez did.
It was just the price, Ugarte. Just the price.
he didn’t really get hurt the 2nd time from poor awareness did he?
acl can be a freak accident, lok at those numbsculls getting hurt dancing after a sack..
ya he was planting his foot, wasnt even hit. That may be worse though
but it does make it more of a freak accident.
MKSP:
We’ll never know if that 1st is in 2015 or 2016, right?
Or if was a conditional 1st?
What I’d really like to hear Kelly say — and the time has passed — is “We paid a lot for Sam Bradford. More than I would have liked. But I think he’s worth the risk, and we’re gonna commit to him.”
Something more than the pile of spin the threw at us.
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Regarding Fisher’s comment . . . there’s no better friend of a HC than another HC in the NFL.
Also, Les Snead? A brilliant GM when it comes to deal-making.
He’s the guy who came up with the auction-concept for the Rams’ 2012 pick that turned into Griffin.
I think he picked Kelly clean. That’s just me.
Final remark: NO TEAM will ever pay 2 extra 1sts to get a QB at the top of the draft, plus a swap of picks . . . UNLESS there’s another auction.
He talked about the price it took to get Sam. Kelly probably isn’t going to commit to him or say it …
Just less whip cream from Skipper.
We’re not as stupid as the media.
if you are only bummed about the move because of price then its really no big deal when talking about winning games next year.
its more of a bummer losing mac because of price, because that will matter when talking about winning games next year.
AC – what you saw in actions and words is classic Chip. He’s a surgeon at the table of patient needing a heart and lung transplant. The operation is not pretty, lots and lots of blood. Whether the patient lives or dies depends on him (the patient). We will see.
OD . . .
That’s beautiful stuff. Love the metaphor.
And — I think you know — I absolutely believe Bradford will knock ’em dead in Kelly’s offense.
LIGHTS out.
Bradford’s no Sanchez — when he’s been upright.
Just wanted something less covered in spin, that’s all.
how will Bradfords play not change that. It absolutely will change that value if he plays well, will look even worse if he gets hurt again. I think some of us over valued Foles and under valued Bradford. Fan perception doesnt always equate to actual value to the GMs. Totally agree on the bad comparison to Brees n Brady, cmon. I kind of laughed at that when I saw it also. Only thing Id say is its hard to put any kind of statistics or numbers up to injuries or recovery. You can only go with trends and those trends dont look good but are far from exact.
You may be right.
When evaluating transactions, seems to me the analysis has to be based on what you know or can reliably project — not what you hope happens or doesn’t happen.
I claim no monopoly on this at all and welcome more input on transaction valuation theory.
On the sidelines, tossing the ball around Bradford looks great.
Between the sidelines, it’s hard to know.
ya, I hadnt read the posts below this either so you make a good point about how he presented it. Youre also right though we can only evaluate it now on what we know so thats certainly fair. I just think hindsight will of course tell us much more. I was mortified initially, never a fan of Bradford, yet now I find myself wondering if he can succeed in Chips scheme. Part of me worries thats kind of a homer pov “but our guy can do it”. Reason why I kind of want them to draft a qb to also lessen the burden of throwing all the cards in for Bradford.
Well said.
Cognitive dissonance is settling in here.
and on the sidelines sanchez eats chicken fingers
Can’t grip the football = INTs
I think though that there is a lot of subjectivity in assessing value of players. It still is a market decision; if indeed someone else was really offering a low first rounder (and this seems likely based on what the Rams are saying) then that was Bradford’s market price.
(If true) Also says something interesting about Foles’s value.
this is true but I think there is a difference between our perceived value in the analysis and the true value. If he plays well, you could say it’s still a bad trade b/c we didn’t need to give up a 2nd. How can we really know? It’s all guessing from those with imperfect information about the market. Maybe Chip’s more favorable view of Bradford and his view on recovery from the injury are in fact closer to the true valuations than ours, and that makes the trade more fair. I’m not second guessing after seeing what happens, I’m saying it’s very hard with limited information to properly assess value.
That shouldn’t stop us from trying.
Kelly makes me feel invincible. I love it. He seems super smaht.
I just can’t get worked up about whether or not he is telling me the absolute truth. It’s not in Hinkie’s or Chip’s best interests, nor mine as a fan of their teams, to get the real truth. Just win.
Foles has the advantage in both conventional and advanced stats, availability, price tag, and youth. Going by these measures, Chip paid too much. Yet if Chip and other professional talent evaluators, who know these things but also have the advantage of far more skill and information, still favor Bradford and are willing to pay a premium (assuming Chip was not the only one willing to pay) to get him, then that is what he is worth on the market. Only time can tell whether it was worth it to us to pay the market price for him.
Another well written and well thought out article Tommy.
You are clearly the man to read in Philly IMHO.
I have a feeling they know more about Bradford’s progress than he is speaking about.
When you get rid of a QB of Foles’s stature, your not going to trade for a guy who may not play for you.
Only the Sixers would do something so boneheaded, ala Andrew Bynum.
Chip seems too smart to make a foolish move like that, so I have to believe he knows Sam will heal fully and will be ready by training camp to earn the starting spot.
Chip wants the best available QB, that can most efficiently run his uptempo spread style of offense, and he seems very confident that Sam is up to this task.
I am all in with Sam and Chip and I can’t wait to see how good he looks in our offensive scheme.
Go Eagles !!!
ACViking:
I came across this and remember a post you had awhile back.
http://www.sportsdatallc.com/2012/01/31/from-draft-pick-to-super-bowl-winning-qb/
AG:
Thanks. Love those jerseys all over the field.
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Seems timely to add then that with the addition of Bradford, the Eagles have increased their chances of winning the SB — solely on the premise that 1st Rd QBs are more talented than lower round picks and own 56% of the SB titles.
Of course scores of other factors are critically important. But the data favors the Eagles more now than a week ago.
I agree. Here’s an interesting read that I got it from, gotta say this guy feels pretty strongly about Bradford and CK.
http://www.complex.com/sports/2015/03/chip-kelly-is-brilliant-and-youre-all-dumb
I like that they only credit eli with one SB.
…. I hate him he is like Rainman gambling.
It was from January 2012, right before Eli won his second. They also don’t have Flacco and Wilson, and only have 3 for Brady.
Must be from 2010.
My own calculations, through this season, resulted in a 51% figure for 1st Rd QBs winning the SB
Regardless, the principle remains the same.
They have Rodgers on there (2010 season) but not Eli’s second (2011 season), so it has to be between Feb 2011 and Feb 2012.
Also the date in the link says 1/31/2012 🙂
nice stuff I liked this part:
The Nick Foles-for-Sam Bradford trade shouldn’t be this difficult of a sell to a fan base with a total of zero Super Bowl victory parades
ouch!
Re: Full Disclosure on Bradford Trade — Not an Historical Anomoly
Early in the 1991 draft, new Eagles head coach Rich Kotite traded the Birds’ 1992 1st Rd pick for the to move up from 19th to 8th overall to select All American OT Antone Davis from UTn.
With the 7th pick in Rd 2, pick 33 overall, the Falcons selected a QB from So. Miss named Brett Favre . . . who spent the next 12 months binging on beer and funyons in his favorite Flowery Branch bars, and generally trying to get himself kicked out of the NFL for excessive stupidity.
Before the 1992 draft, Green Bay HOF GM Ron Wolf took that 1st Rd pick he’d acquired (in a case of highway robbery) from Kotite and Eagles and traded it to Atlanta for Favre.
That was pick 19 overall in the draft. For a 2nd-string QB on his way out of the NFL.
Think about that (. . . ACV, are you reading this? . . . ).
The Packers GM gave up a 1st for a very hard-to-value but supremely talented QB who didn’t complete a pass the prior year.
And that’s why Ron Wolf’s going to be enshrined in Canton this August.
“Sam Bradford” does have a “gunslinger” ring to it.
That Oklahoma breeding
Different situations and interestingly, Farve is the exact risk Kelly would never take (maybe Packers GM knew there would be way fewer distractions in GB).
Gotta wonder if, roles reversed, if Wolf would take a guy w/ as much injury history as Kelly. BUT if kelly can use sport science to add value to player’s careers it would be the type of institutional competitive advantage that would keep eagles ahead for at least a year or two (until other teams caught up)
A:
I was just about to write the same thing regarding Favre.
Then I remembered that from ’95-’98, he played within the system in GB and had huge years.
Great question regarding the injury.
One can only hope that a local reporter — like Jimmy Bama — reaches out for Ron Wolf to ask him exactly what you’re asking.
wow.
does Bradford like funyons?
I hope so
Okay, T-Law.
I feel a bit better now about Bradford.
BUT THE GUY MUST STAY HEALTHY!!!
That’s the whole thing with me. We pick up guys with a history of being injury prone, and then if they get injured, we can’t just pretend we didn’t see it coming.
Foles has a history of injury. Keep him?
Thank you. For those that haven’t figured it out….Nice Foles IS injury prone.
watch both of them get injured next season. Shhhhh, knock on wood
thank you. Injury prone because he can’t feel a blind side hit coming for his life.
never said he wasn’t
I was speaking in general…not directed directly toward you.
The biggest differences there are (a) the apparent seriousness of the injury history and (b) the amount of resources committed to keeping one as opposed to the other.
Can’t be certain now but if we had kept Nick we would have had to pay him – I imagine somewhere in the same range that Sam is getting now. Agree – injuries were different and Sam’s was more serious but lets see if CK can keep him healthy – big IF.
With the amount of times it gets used in press conferences and blog articles, the phrase “Sports Science” feels like it’s gaining a sort of cult status, like some totem of future health.
It’s football–He’s going to get hurt. Just hope it’s not an ACL.
“It’s football–He’s going to get hurt.”
_________
Brees,
Brady,
Eli Manning,
Peyton Manning,
Rivers,
Flacco,
Dalton,
Stafford,
Tannehill,
Rodgers,
Roethlisberger
Wilson
These 12 QBs, collectively, have missed just 28 starts over the past 5 seasons (or less for RTnhl and ADltn), covering 912 starts.
It’s not a sure thing that a QB’s going to be hurt.
didn’t peyton miss whole season?
and brees?
Sorry . . . correction duly noted!!!!
(Stupid me)
Sure, but of of that list, Brees missed time for a hurt shoulder, BRady tore his ACL, Peyton missed a full season for a neck injury and player the last half of the season with two high ankle sprains, Rivers played all of last season with a broken rib, Rodgers broke his collar bone, Rothlisburger played with ankle issues, etc. Injuries will happen. Bradford has been incredibly unlucky.
Chip got his hands on some of that bone re-growing juice from Harry Potter recently.
Just make sure its the nurse and not that crazy professor that applies it…
Wow. I remember the trade up to get Antone Davis and I knew that Ron Wolf traded a first rounder to get Favre, but I did not realize that Wolf used the pick we traded away to get Davis in the trade for Favre.
Doesn’t that just make the whole Kotite era perfect?
It really does. It basically brings back the exact feelings of ineptitude I remember from watching Kotite coach.
bam!
*Reposting this from a couple nights ago, seems appropriate here*
_____________
In the spirit of AC (and I apologize if you’ve already shared this):
The Nick Foles – Sam Bradford trade echoes another swap of Quarterbacks made by the Philadelphia Eagles.
Sonny Jurgenson was drafted by the Eagles in 1957. After a year spent as back up to Bobby Thomason in 1957, he spent the next three season backing up the Philadelphia Eagle and Los Angeles Ram legend, Norm Van Brocklin, a Hall of Famer. Sonny was on the sideline when Norm Van Brocklin guided the Eagles to a 17-13 win over Vince Lombardi’s Packers in the 1960 NFL Championship Game, which as it turns out was the Eagles’ last Championship.
Sonny took over for Van Brocklin in 1961 and had a tremendous year, throwing for over 3,700 yards and tying the then NFL-record of 32 touchdowns. However, after an injury-plagued 1963 campaign, Sonny Jurgenson was traded to the Washington Redskins for Quarterback Norm Snead, five years younger than Sonny, and CB Claude Crabb.
Sonny Jurgenson went on to throw for over 32,000 yards and 255 TDs over his career, and was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1983, though he never won a Championship as the starting Quarterback.
Norm Snead on the other hand, while he did go to four Pro Bowls, is mostly notorious for being the last Quarterback to win a game with a 0.0 passer rating, when he went 3-14 for 26 yards and no TDs in a 12-9 win (against his former team).
______________
So, the key question: Which QB is Sonny Jurgenson, Sam Bradford or Nick Foles?
MKSP:
Huge smile when I read this.
Excellent work.
So many bad Sixers trades, and Eagles trades, and Phillies trades.
This one may have been the first — 1 year before the Phillies traded future HOF pitcher Ferguson Jenkins for Larry Jackson — and 4 years before the Sixers traded Wilt (doesn’t matter what they got back!)
Von Hayes
541?
yes
I joke about Von Hayes as much as the next guy, but he was a pretty productive player for the Phillies. Cleveland got a bunch of scrubs and an over-the-hill Manny Trillo.
BB:
You forgot the still-active Julio Franco.
Hayes had a couple-three very good seasons.
A guy like Julio Franco makes me think I should have stuck with baseball and been a mediocre major leaguer into my 50s.
I did quick google and found this good piece that argues Von Hayes was a steal for the Phillies.
http://philliesnation.com/archives/2010/07/big-trades-and-von-hayes/
Also, it was his “potential” that drove people crazy. As a player he’s a lot a more successful version of Dom Brown (#9!). Similar gait, similar tools. At this point, most Phillies fans would be thrilled if Brown was half the player Hayes was.
My dad brought this trade up to me as an argument against the Foles/Bradford swap.
I argued that Sam Bradford being the more talented QB, was actually Sonny Jurgenson in this scenario.
The Rams may have just traded for Norm Snead.
You hope the universe operates in some sort of inevitable harmony.
The Sixers fixed the Wilt deal by getting Dr. J for basically a 6-pack of RWB beer.
The Phillies got Tug McGraw from the Mets for Del Unser (who made his way back to Philadelphia in time to deliver the most exciting pinch-hit double down the line against Houston you’ll ever see).
The Eagles? Maybe this is the one.
And Steve Carlton for Rick Wise
Long term big-time deal.
Wise had a good run ’til ’78
By the way, I think it’s a great argument.
Washington made the smart move there — taking the risk on the far more talented QB who’d been injured for a good part of the prior 2 seasons.
Jerry Chambers, Darrall Imhoff, and Archie Clark
ICD:
Nice job. Imhoff was such a stiff.
Archie Clark had that sweet jumper with his arms fully extended when he released the ball.
Traded early in the ’71-’72 season for Fred Carter and Kevin Loughery.
Last good ‘6er . . . and then the team tanked
I’ve heard at least a few stories about why Wilt demanded that trade away from the Sixers. He was promised part ownership in the Sixers and they reneged; he was frustrated after two consecutive first round eliminations; he wanted to be in the LA scene (especially the women)… don’t know what the real story was
Ownership was the story I always believed.
Wilt was 2 hours from NYC. Don’t think he was missing out on the social scene. In fact, I think he lived there and commuted to Philadelphia.
Great post, much appreciated This is what you do so well, ACViking.
I got curious and found the Falcons used that 19th pick to take a rb named Tony Smith, Favres roommate So. Miss. Tony Smith, who? Exactly. A complete bust.
Thanks for the shitty memory. I can remember exactly where I was when I was trying to deal with the Antone Davis trade. I remember walking from the lunch hall at college back to my dorm, trying to figure out what the hell had just happened. “Hey, maybe he’s good?”
God, draft coverage sure was different then. Finding out news sure was as well.
that’s a great story.
i’m still waiting to hear what GB gave the Eagles besides the 9th pick
My buddy is a 49er’s fan and thinks (like most of the media) that Chip will just run back to college with his tail in-between his legs if this fails…. sorry but i dont see it. Chip is not from a powerhouse alma-mater like Harbaugh and Chip doesn’t know what the word “tradition” means. So i just dont see the allegiance to the college game with Chip (to him i think football is football). A guy like him wants to do things his way and prove everyone that nothing is written in stone. He wants to succeed at the highest levels of football competition… this B.S. that he would run back to college really grinds my gears.
Agree. Harbaugh won’t be at michigan for long.
yeah he’s gonna have less time than Chip in Philly…. because Michigan is true dumpster fire and he isn’t inheriting Mike Singletarys roster lol
Do you think he dies? Or do you think an NFL team will pay him 12m per year?
Because if not, there is no way in freaking hell this guy won’t be successful. One of the few coaches I’d put right up there with Belichick, Meyer, Saban, Chip, his brother, Payton, Carroll.
Historically, it won’t even take long before he gets them back to winning meaningful games. He turned San Diego and Stanford around pretty quick and he didn’t have great resources there.
Also, the big 10 is weak. Meyer was winning while he was rebuilding his roster. It may take two years before he can beat Ohio State, but I think they will be the #2 in the Big 10 even next year.
You don’t have to like him, but that guy is one hell of a coach.
Agree, as well (like Anon).
Kelly’s offense works with Mark Sanchez against all but the 3-4 best teams in each conference.
Put a better QB in there — hopefully Bradford or someone else — and you have a very hard-to-beat team. . . .
‘Cause the defense, in another year or so, will catch up to the offense.
Honestly if we can get to 28 ppg, with an improved defense i think we can go 12-4.
I do think our changes make us a much better playoff team.
regular season too. Think of the SF game where we couldn’t even try to run the ball in.
SF game was weird, for 3 quarters we were dominating the scoring and they could not move the ball at all. We played conservative football and it bit us in the ass – we could move the ball through the air but Chip dialed back after the beating Foles took in the Racists game. Last drive showed we could move it when we really needed to.
Last drive shows why no McCoy, gotta have confidence you can run the ball from there.
I agree, but Pete Carroll didn’t.
I think Pete got way too scared of leaving clock for Brady, and out thought himself. Belicheck got too him by not calling time out. This is after Belicheck saves the Ravens game down 14 by calling legal but highly questionable formations.
He’s a wizard. They never even get there if he doesn’t go all tomfoolery in the Ravens game.
Yeah he’s next level with it.
This is why Chip is trading Mathis and using a 3 man offensive line. We will have 2 decoys on every play and the defense will have to figure out who. This way we can also find more playing time for Murray, Mathews, Sproles, Celek, and Ertz.
genius!
furthers the point i think
The national media is gettin to me because 50% of them are gonna be right unfortunately.
he should worry about his own dumpster fire team
Isn’t this what we all love about the guy? His fear of failing doesn’t register on any scale. He is stoked by the challenge and has license to do almost anything that he thinks can help. I am most intrigued by his posture toward players: He doesn’t coddle and he doesn’t grind. He demands adults who take responsibility for their own affairs and who are totally committed to succeeding. He is more attuned and qualified to do his job than probably 90% of his peers.
Chip would have multiple offers from other teams in the NFL – worst case he could be an OC…don’t think he cares for recruiting and schmoozing supporters…
Rex Ryan. Signs Incognito, gets McCoy, signs Percy Harvin and Matt Cassell is the QB. Disaster waiting to happen?
The Jets are intriguing as well.
I agree. I can’t put my finger on if the Jets are actually be good or not.
I think Bradford can take them pretty far.
heh
I see what you did there…
That a great comment!
What would Demarco think if they traded his boy. He wouldnt care, he got paid, who am I kidding
Imagine if he gets traded with him!
But he’s our franchise QB
They can be, depends on how fast their key players age
disaster when he got there. Why not take some chances.
just like a certain someone I know….
Jets? I mean you aren’t beating the Pats in the near term if you don’t take some risks in that division.
playoff ready team. That D is locked and loaded and now they have a lot of talent on offense that they never had in NYJ. Be interesting to see how they stack against those teams.
Yeah, but….. Matt Cassell. And it’s not like Harvin’s ever really lived up to the hype.
Chip Kelly does’t have big balls, his big balls happen to have Chip Kelly.
Chip Kelly doesn’t need a cut-off hoodie cause he made visors look good.
Chip Kelly doens’t need a GM because he only uses Chip Kelly dollars anyway covered by the FDIC.
Chip Kelly ain’t worried bout nothin…. it then became the only hit for French Montana and Chip didn’t want any royalties because…. he ain’t worried bout nothin.
Chip can’t even spell ACL let alone worry about (I ain’t worried bout nothin).
Chip once rocked the league so much in 1 offseason that they changed the NFL’s official song to “Rock the Boat Baby”.
The Saints may have to release RG Jahri Evans to make cap space for C.J. Spiller.
Yes please!!!!
i got a few friends that know him in Philly. that would be awesome.
Do you have friends that know ODB?
Do they have his money?
Anything to get him on the team!!
That sounds promising. He was awesome a few years ago. Is he still performing as a high level? He’s not that old, is he?
No, his play is nowhere near where it used to be. Mathis is 10x better, plus he’ll be 32 in August so there really wouldn’t be anything gained by that.
Thanks. That’s what I was worried about. Declining play + big name usually means that it is not worth it.
That would definitely be something to consider. I imagine a lot of other teams would also have interest though.
Chip probably put ketchup on his waffles today.
https://twitter.com/Vellastrations/status/576473943617511425
That’s hardly weird lol
Ha, I meant this is the reason he hasn’t done anything weird today. Busy.
I know. I was just kidding because it was so ironic.
Should like to SAS, his comments this week are so absurd.
Evan Mathis for Tavon Austin, who says no?
Edit: Reminder that Evan Mathis is the oldest starting OG in the league and making $6.5 MM this year.
Me
No way. Tavon can’t help block or help you in the redzone.
Can I add some extremely foul language before that no?
Probably nah. What athletic guards are there in draft that would be an upgrade? Phillip Dorsett and Devin Smith are in draft if he wants a field stretcher.
I would consider it. I think we’re trading old for young and expensive for cheap but there is the matter of how good CK thinks he is
Let’s trade Mathis, Bradford, Kendricks, Boykin, and 2015 and 2016 1st round picks for Andrew Luck.
Throw in the entire 2015 draft and Fletcher Cox and *maybe* that gets it done.
https://twitter.com/CSNPhilly/status/576473425889345536
looks like Foles has spent a lot of time outside in TX.
Outdoor yoga? or is he working out with Donovan
That’s probably why CK said it was time to move on.
so i guess now we know bradford is worth the 19th pick in the draft
then kanye got up and took his jersey away
That’s not completely accurate, they got picks and Foles. Just not first round picks.
Glad he’s gone, was getting tired of making excuses for him during a game. Was a FOles supporter of course. I gave him the extra cap for the Oakland game, see the Rams gave him all caps.
Is Nick playing under the same contract he had with the Eagles?
I heard they were talking about an extension
We got the physical RBs. Now we just need WRs that can win contested catches. Someone start tweeting Murray about trying to get Dez here next year.
I’d laugh if we gave 2 firsts and 15m to dez
Now if Kelly did this . . .
I’m feeling GREAT!!!
The difference Bryant would create between the Eagles’ offense and opposing defenses is worth every bit of an extra #1
Bad idea to invest two 1sts in a WR who will earn 14+m/year.
Dez is very, very good. But no WR is worth that.
Jerry Rice
Chad Hall
If we’re going to be miserable then we might as well make the Cowgirls more miserable.
It’d be hilarious but no cap room to do something like that.
I’m hoping Jordan Matthews is going to be that guy.
You’re going to be hoping for a long time then.
You’re not giving love to a rookie who caught for almost 900 yards and 8tds?
He is what he is. A 6’3 WR that doesn’t know how to use his size, win jumpballs, or have good enough hands to win contested catches. He’s been like that since college and you think he’ll just learn that in the NFL? No.
I remember being impressed with Matthews as the season went on, thinking the kid was learning how to use his body. I’ve been wrong before, we’ll see.
I really hope I’m wrong too but he looks like he’ll just be a solid WR.
If your definition of a “solid receiver” is what Matthews did last year as a rookie, then that sounds great to me.
I kind of feel same way watching him, yet he did have good numbers. System numbers ha. Hes a hard worker so maybe he can bump it up a notch. I just ranted about this same thing on another thread in terms of teams WR group, not JMatt
we talked about expectations last year for him and I threw out the number 600 and people told me I was nuts…
Chip was at Officer Wilson’s funeral today and gave his 10 year old son a football. What a racist prick.
Wonder if Stephen A was there giving the kid sarcasm.
What a great thing for Chip to do. Nothing will bring back the boys Dad, but I’d imagine that football will sit in his bedroom and, I hope, convey a message that there are good people in the world.
With the Dolphins acquiring Kenny Stills, Mike Wallace is being shopped and apparently his huge contract won’t transfer to the purchasing team and he’ll only count around 5,5 mil against the cap and can be cut at any point without dead money if I understood people right.
That’d be a really interesting option, when Jordan Matthews and Josh Huff have their strengths working the middle of the field and running after the catch. Having Mike Wallace as a deep threat wouldn’t be the worst. He has been better in Miami than I expected.
im for it, we need some speed going deep, people hate this guy though.
absolutely this guy is the epitome of a team player.
Mike Wallace is the guy who got pissed when a teammate caught a touchdown pass. I can’t imagine he fits Chips vision of #culture, even though I admit that I have little idea what that vision is.
Get ready to die laughing.
Here’s the contract the Raiders gave Nate Allen:
4 years, $23M – $6.9M fully guaranteed($4M bonus + $2.9M guaranteed 2015 salary), an additional $4.9M(his 2016 salary) guaranteed for injury only and becomes fully guaranteed if he’s on the roster the 3rd day of the 2016 league year. So even if he’s cut before next year, it’s a 1-year, $6.9M deal.
I said Shady had the best agent. Nope!
That’s not even funny. That’s just losing faith in humanity.
the funny part will be if we got CHUNGED and he starts playing better.
I was having a good day until you introduced that into my mind.
you’ve been chunged
You, sir, and dangerous to my mental health and my sense of humor. Well done.
shows how bad the safety market is – everyone thinks the grass is greener with the other guy’s castoffs.
Raiders HAVE to spend $$. If he was a real player he probably could have gotten a devin mccourty deal.
Good point.
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-02/enhanced/webdr04/13/14/anigif_enhanced-19085-1392318352-7.gif
Nate Allen got a better deal than Rahim Moore. Could end up being better than any safety other than McCourty.
The Raiders are in a unique position because they can’t attract talent worth paying a lot of money to, yet they still need to pay a certain amount of money to meet the NFLs minimum salary requirements. Enter Nate Allen, middling to poor nfl safety fleecing them for huge bucks because they are OBLIGATED to spend the money.
theyll be big players at the vet combine
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2015/03/hearing-news-of-murray-joining-eagles-dez-texts-michael-irvin-what-are-we-doing.html/
Beautiful.
Phase 1 of dismantling the Cowboys – Signing Murray (check)
Phase 2 of dismantling the Cowboys – Sign Dez next year
Phase 3 of dismantling the Cowboys – Send laxative laced cupcakes to their entire OL before playing us
Phase 4 – throw Jerruh into a fountain of youth.
Throwing stones from glass houses?
Oh, that’s rich! You know Dez is gonna be all up in arms on the sideline next season as DM is smashing through their D with reckless abandon. Might actually punch JJ at some point. This could have a serious domino effect … love it.
Not sure what Jersey I want next.. Kiko? Bradford? Hmmm…
kiko
I do think I’m leaning that way — wait are you Kiko?
if i was i wouldn’t be spending so much time on the blog.
It’s been forever since I had a defensive guys jersey. I like this idea. I think Nnamdi was the last one I bought.
I still rock my Dawkins. Thinking about getting Murray’s this year tho.
haha can you even wear that out?
Mike Evans
https://cbsphilly.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/mariota1.jpg
That guy looks like a cross between Harbaugh and Fonzy…
Angelo Cataldi (WIP Sports Talk morning show)
Ertz
How about getting someone that Chip can no longer trade/cut? Otherwise you might be disappointed…
Can you buy a “Chip” jersey?
Do they sell Jeffery Lurie jerseys?
Bradford took Vick’s number.
That’ll be weird wearing Vicks Jersey now.
both pretty fragile dudes.
Duct tape over it and write “Bradford”
Exactly what I have planned for my Vick jerseys
That’s how I now have an “AVANT” jersey…damn TO
Matthews jersey
Nah. Avant makes it a throwback
Or a throw out. I can’t stand a guy who catches 3 passes a year and waives his hands in the air to a fictional character after each of those 3 catches.
You watch your mouth!!! Avant was a class act. I didn’t say it was a Santana Moss jersey. The fact he celebrates every catch like a TD drives me crazy.
dumbass, why not Nicks ol number 9?
I have 2 Vick jerseys (gifts from NYG friends) so together they equal 14 and Cooper…screwed either way.
Awesome, thanks for the laugh
Holy crap. That is hilarious.
Lol the Raider shave Nate Allen 6 mil a year with 12 guaranteed HAHA
Hah that’s more than Malcolm
“The Eagles are Playoff Bound”
http://thebiglead.com/2015/03/13/the-philadelphia-eagles-are-playoff-bound-and-here-are-five-reasons-why/
Bam!
Impressive.
“As Joe Banner pointed out, the
total money spent over three years in McCoy’s Eagles contract and
Murray’s new contract is almost identical. The difference? Murray is
getting a reported $18 million in guaranteed money, and McCoy’s deal was
not guaranteed.
It’s true that McCoy had a big cap hit in 2015, but that number was
scheduled to go down in 2016 and 2017. The Eagles could have pretty
easily guaranteed him some money, restructured and lowered the 2015 cap
hit. But they chose not to go that route.
In other words, for roughly the same cost over the next three years,
Kelly thought Murray was a better bet for his offense than McCoy.”
From Sheils article
This comment needs to be read by everyone who thinks we did the super saver discount going the Murray route.
The only problem with our moves is not getting a pick along with Kiko and giving more than we got on Bradford / Foles; the rest is good.
Savings was the reason given, but Banner’s other comment is more germane. That basically CK didn’t like McCoy. And considering the stats and what CK wants, that makes more sense.
that’s true, however there seems to be a lot of talk here about all the players we got for the same price as Mccoy, which isn’t really true unless you were looking at Mccoy as a one year rental. We basically just swapped Mccoy for Murray, which is fine, except we had no idea that we were going to be able to get Murray when FA started. So Chip saying “we looked at it as trading Mccoy for Alonso and Maxwell” is a fair bit of disingenuity on his part.
I don’t see it as that. It’s much better to say “we looked at it as trading Mccoy for Alonxo and Maxwell” than “I didn’t like the way Mccoy ran and we needed to get rid of him.”
Coaches can’t bad mouth players, and he did Mccoy more of a solid than throw him under the bus.
I think people are losing some perspective of timing though in that when we announced McCoy we were going to go hard after mccourtey maxwell and probably knew Bradford in the works. I am thinking mccourtey sticking gave him more flexibility to spend and I would not be surprised if his original plan was a cheaper Gore/Matthews tandem if he really did want two. I don’t think Chips plan was replace money of Shady with similar money in other RB even if they are more one cut and run types.
Every single one of these comparisons completely forgets about Alonso. he’s a major part of that deal. Even if you look at Murray and McCoy’s contract numbers as equal (which only works if you look at McCoy’s new contract, not his old one), there’s still the matter of a brand new star linebacker to consider.
Salary cap issues aside, running style issues aside, everything else aside, at the end of the day, it’s a simple equation:
Kiko + Murray > Shady
Any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. Which is lucky, since that’s when the games are scheduled.
Agreed. Shiel seems to have forgotten that his “source” has a middle name of “nickles”
ESP Straight trolling
Of course he didn’t say that at all. But hey, gotta keep the train running. Even after you were completely & totally proven wrong about your cockamamie fantasy.
I won’t rule out monkeys flying out of my ass
A visual graphic of this happening.
http://victoryswig.com/music/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/larsbarrelofmonkeys.jpg
so he did sabotage his pro day
“The culture precedes positive results. It doesn’t get tacked on as an afterthought on your way to the victory stand. Champions behave
like champions before they’re champions; they have a winning standard of
performance before they are winners.” Bill Walsh
Ron Parker, Chiefs’ FA safety, just started following Byron Maxwell on twitter.
At this point he’s all that is really left for us at safety. I could see the eagles liking him too
yeah surprised they haven’t done anything about that — sort of assumed they’d just wait until the draft.
wonder if vet combine will be any good.
My god, you are a wellspring of juicy tidbits. How do you find something like that?
The market is so quiet for crabtree, it’s surprising.
He’s just not clutch at all.
where is ol fletcher going?
I heard he applied at Philly Sanitation.
Canton?…Nah.
Making arrows maybe?
Re: Maxwell Contract
Has a breakdown of Max’s contract been released?
Signing bonus – roster or salary bonus amounts per season – salary per season?
http://overthecap.com/player/byron-maxwell/1535/
Basically it’s a $6M signing bonus, $1M guar base salary in 2015 with guaranteed $6.5M roster bonus, $7.5M in guaranteed 2016 salary, then the rest of the yearly salaries aren’t guaranteed. Can get out of deal after 2 years without significant dead money hit.
Not sure this is posted below but here’s Nate Allen for perspective.
https://twitter.com/RavensInsider/status/576483402058215425
Oakland is straight up smoking crack with that deal.
Agreed, but they HAVE to spend it somewhere. We’re gonna see some ridiculous deals since they didn’t get anyone who might deserve it and need to get to the floor
They’re welcome to get to the salary floor by trading us a pick for DeMeco Ryans.
They have no access to video or media of any sort out in Oakland
We traded Nick Foles traded for first round pick?
Using the (outdated) draft value chart:
Trade down from 3rd to fourth round = ~100 pts
Next years 2nd = this years 3rd (assuming avg value) = ~200 pts
Rams turned down first round pick to get Foles (assuming pick #19) = ~900 pts
So they turned down a pick valued @ 900 points for our combined picks worth around 300 points + FOLES
So Foles = 900 – 300 = 600 pts = late first round pick
Pretty good value for Foles..
The trade value charts I’ve seen don’t downgrade the value of a pick the next year. It values them the same as this year’s and assumes they’ll be in the middle of the round. Also, we went from a 4th to a 5th not a 3rd to 4th. That drop is approximately 25 points. A 2nd next year is worth roughly 420 points. Pick 19 is 875 value points according to the chart I’m using(thehuddlereport.com). So, Foles value would be roughly 875 – 445 = 430 points. That’s the equivalent of a mid-2nd.
They don’t downgrade future picks by a round? That is silly. So, based on your chats one could trade a 2nd this year and only expect to get a 2nd next year?
They are definitely downgraded by a round per year.
So its actually better cuz i thought it was a 3rd to 4th, not 4th to 5th.
Except a first for Bradford, who was going to be cut, isn’t honest.
Are we sure he was going to be cut? And if a team offered a first for him what is so dishonest about it
Who actually offered that first? I’m more likely to believe months of stories about Bradford being cut than I am Chip and Jeff lying about Bradford bringing in first round draft pick offers.
What does Jeff gain by lying, like why do we assume that IG two coaches say something they are both liars
He gains by trying to act like Foles was worth more than a #1.
OK you can have your theories but personally I’m not going to believe that 2 coaches are lying together about the value of a QB who was just traded
Anything other than Foles and the 20 being worth Bradford, 10, and a conditional 2016 is a lie.
its not a lie….. im shocked at how much front offices really value that kid.. its legit
i think there is a MAJOR discrepency between the way fans and media view Bradford and how NFL front offices view him… i was just as guilty as every other fan of under rating him, but im quickily learning that he has legit more value the we thought
The Rams’ coach, Jeff Fisher, told PFT that he was offered a late 1st but wanted Foles. I don’t think Fisher has any reason to be in collusion with Chip.
He’s in collusion with himself to substantiate having Foles as his QB rather than going into the draft.
And I’ll add that I reject on principle anything less than Foles and 20 for Bradford, 10, and a 2016 as the correct valuation of that deal.
From LibertyBallers.com (talking about the Eagles, what else)
Excellent.
Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora
1m1 minute ago
Saints aren’t done making deals. Actively shopping disgruntled CB Keenan Lewis, asking teams not to divulge their inquiries …
Oregon (State)…
close enough
Eagles pursued him in 2013 but lost out to NO. Lewis for Mathis would make a ton of sense but then they’d likely move Boykin. How about Mathis and Boykin for Lewis, Rafael Bush, and a 5th round pick?
Because he took less money to go “home” to New Orleans.
Home is not all its cracked up to be second time around always
Especially when home is any city but Philly.
Keenan lewis’s contract is so cheap due to restructures compared to his talent level i would be happy to give up real assets to get him. Boykin+Mathis+3rd would be well worth it and we would genuinely have a fearsome defense then.
…Says the Hawaiian to the guys in 20 degree temperatures.
Would you rather shovel lava or snow?
Doubt it. Won’t add another dollar at cb. Getting a little carried away. CB is a strength, they won’t allocate another penny to it besides maybe a rookie contract
You think Walter Thurmond and Nolan Carroll competing for the #2 job makes CB a strength? Depth wise we’re pretty solid but we don’t have a surefire starter opposite Maxwell.
Sure but we have bigger needs and giving up assets to pay acb may not be a great idea but I don’t care either way
We have a bunch of potential solutions there — several guys to fight it out. Carroll might be just fine, as might be Thurmond. Or even Boykin. Maybe Watkins as a long shot.
I’m more worried about safety. Right now we have the slim hope of Wolff returning to 2013 form (or better), or hope we can find something in the draft. Otherwise we’ll be dumpster diving and hope to get lucky.
I wish somebody would have asked Chip or slow Billy why Boykin is an option there now, but he wasn’t when we choked away out division title vs. Dallas and Washington in back to back weeks.
Possibly we have more options now who can play the slot if Boykin doesn’t (Thurmond).
While I do want to see Boykin tried out there, I’m not all that sure he’ll be good at it. It’s not just the height… I believe he is relatively slow. Big and slowish you can make work, short and fast you can make work with the right player, but short and slowish might be trouble on the outside.
I’d do that deal in a heartbeat, too.
im a fan dude… of course I would love us to go out and go get every good player available… think id be upset to see us go add a CB like him?
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we wont have any interest in trading Boykin rookie contract to take on his money, we have more then enough allocated to the CB position and tho we dont have name brands players that can hang their hats on, you guys will like Nolan Carrol… love his blend of size, athleticism and tecnique…. our CBs are more then good enough, wont see another veteran contract added at CB…. hopefully tomorrow you can rub it in my face when we add lewis, but dont hold your breath
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challenge you to download a few torrents of older miami games that Nolan saw time playing outside and check out his tecnique.. this city hasnt seen close to his true level of play…i was gonna right a post about the state of our secondary tomorrow anyway so i dont want to go into detail
Keenan Lewis is one of the best CBs in football and he’s on a bargain contract. He’s also only 28 years old.
I would make that deal without hesitation.
i know exactly who he is.. think you are the only one who saw him shutdown desean in the playoffs?. Id love to have him, but it wont happen… only CB additions we will see is via the draft, if we can even afford to spend a pick on the position…
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i would gladly trade for him, but i dont at all expect to see it happen….. next time we see a DB added i will be a safety
Boykin and a draft pick for Lewis?
Billy Davis says Boykins isn’t close to outside the realm of possibility of that.
Wait, what? That is the most confusing statement I have read in a long time.
Billy Davis can’t use “outside” and “Boykin” in the same sentence. It is beyond his abilities to comprehend having Boykin outside.
Syke
Just Boykin for Lewis.
Highly doubt it. We are stacked with CB talent. Highly doubt they will spend another penny on the position. We need a young outside CB to groom on our bench on a cheap rookie contract. Bout 10 saint players are more realistic for us then Lewis
OK I was testing us our in Madden, Murray is filthy but he fumbled once tsk tsk, Bradford is no worse than Foles in Madden and I couldn’t effectively run with him but he’s better in Foles in that regard. Maxwell was completely ignored like they were picking on Nolan a bit. We need more weapons I don’t want Cooper starting
What we need is nfl 2k16
YES!
Sounds like Dolphins are trading Mike Wallace to the Vikings.
Armando Salguero
@ArmandoSalguero
9m9 minutes ago
Mike Wallace has been on the phone with Minnesota Vikings the last hour. Trade likely.
Quarter-brain Patterson must be leaving.
Probably part of what the dolphins get back. Adding stills and patterson to landry. Rebuilt their wide receivers corps in less than a year.
Except Patterson sucks due to being too feeble-minded to learn a playbook. Zimmer hates him.
Well having to learn our offense is probably easier.
I don’t think Patterson can learn anything more complicated than how to spark one.
I don’t know…hookahs can be confusing
If you want to say he’s too dumb to even to that, I won’t argue.
Lol. Vikes only gonna run verticals routes now
Did we get anyone today?
Nope.
Shame Crabtree is slow and mediocre. Can’t get any separation. Shame Cecil is a slot WR
Crabtree is sorry, to be accurate.
Basically
Feeling lucky our city got Hinkie and Kelly running two of my favorite sports teams. Hoping for a championship soon!
Just hope the city keeps the day the team wins + 2 days formula for the parade. Being able to plan personal days from work way ahead of time is important.
Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora
1m1 minute ago
Spoke to Cordarelle Patterson’s agent who has been in close contact w/MIN.
Rumors of Patterson being shopped are patently false Branion said
So that means he’s geting shipped elsewhere any second now….
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Sounds to me like they didn’t find any takers.
It was rumored that he couldn’t learn the offense at Minnesota. Imagine how that would go over here, where everybody is supposed to learn at least something about every position.
Great player but i don’t like how stiff he looks when running.
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
57s57 seconds ago
Vikings traded 5th-round pick to Miami for WR Mike Wallace and 7th-round pick, per league source.
Maybe the Eagles can trade Murray straight up for Dez Bryant?!
I’m not sure we can afford to pay for Dez’s security detail to ensure he doesn’t do something dopey. I think it’s like 6 guys.
Lol, this video thing was probably the biggest non story I can remember as of late!
The video thing was a nonstory, the other stuff was not. And it is true that Jerruh hired a security detail to stick with Dez to make sure he didn’t do stupid shit.
I legit wouldn’t do it
” Another $3 million is guaranteed for injury only at signing; it becomes fully guaranteed on the third day of the 2017 league year.”
I don’t get this part.
It means, if Murray is not on the roster on day three of the league year in 2017, he does not get the money.
Anyway, I still think we overpaid.
I just posted his cap numbers above…not that bad.
I want Keenan Lewis so badly, would be a way to bring in a quality second CB at a very reasonable $$ sign that would take our defence from being decent to being great. Would also ‘solve’ the safety issue as with 2 good CB’s you can ‘hide’ one Safety more (see New England hiding Chung).
I hear you on the 2nd good CB, but you can’t hide a human tampon at safety. Nate Allen backpedaling away from Boldin this year is proof.
If I was New Orleans, I wouldn’t take anything less than a 2nd rounder for Lewis. And this is why I don’t like the Murray signing. It took us out of play from adding any more salary.
It’s a $5M cap hit this year….Bradford is taking up $13M
I think we will extend Bradford in order to lower the cap hit this year. Trading Mathis will open up more cap space
Boykin+Mathis+3rd think it could get it done? (i know this is pure fantasy at this point)
I think that is overrating Lewis’s trade value. Boykin + Mathis is worth more combined than Lewis by himself.
gotta give the chip kelly discount
I think you’re overrating ‘I’m just a nickel’ and ‘Katy Perry’s secret lover’ trade value.
really really doubt we will see any more CBs added, unless they add one to the draft and Im a fan of the kid so id happily take being wrong. but i dont see it at all… saints are having a fire sale and there are plenty guys more realistic for us then Keenen…CB coverage should be a real strength for us this year, not going to add any more veterans especially sincve we still have to draft one because we need a young outside CB on a cheap rookie contract being groomed on our bench
you gotta think they did some diligence before picking up thurmond and paying so much for maxwell — they might want too much for lewis.
thrilled with our corners right now… think people wll be surprised at how much tighter our coverage will be next year…. alot of work to do on the offense and we need a safety and maybe a 4th edge rusher….The CB position is done
https://twitter.com/profootballtalk/status/576534881943076866
Some players who played for both Cowboys and Eagles
T.O.
Herschel Walker
Rodney Peete
Luis Zendejas
Chris Boniol
Zendejas – bounty bowl! Oh Buddy Ryan.
Randall Cunningham
Mike Ditka
Harold Carmichael
B. Fletcher
Sixers are on a 40-9 run
Need to stop winning these pointless games.
ran into vinny at the game, says other then losing some good friends most of our players are very excited by what chip has done this offseason.. seemed to genuinly view this all as a significant upgrad…
great game by the way. gritty performance
ran into vinny at the game, says other then losing some good friends most of our players are very excited by what chip has done this offseason.. seemed to genuinly view this all as a significant upgrad…
great game by the way. gritty performance
@USC_Athletics WR Nelson Agholor told @SeniorBowlPhil & me on @SiriusXMNFL that he’s traveling Sunday for pre-draft visit with @Eagles
Interesting. Agholor is a good WR but this says a bit about what Chip wants in WRs.
what’s that? size?
Agholor isn’t big. He plays bigger than his size though.
Likes guys with suspect hands.
Would be a like for like replacement for Maclin
has this week made it easier for you to pick scout evals?
Not really. I have most of the guys I think will be targets at 20 written up. Not enough tape of Jones to do a full write up. The OL group really doesn’t have much of a “middle class” tier of guys. I don’t think ILB will be in play (Kendricks, Kiko, Goode, Meco, Jones, Acho) until real late day 3 or UDFA. The S class is major shit. There’s no real consensus on who even 2,3,4,5 guys off the board at that position will be. I don’t think we go DL or RB until late day 3 or UDFA. WR I’ll likely do more of a “board” with guys I like by round. Probably a similar deal with CB. May do a post with the nice group of day 3 FCS OLB guys.
Guys I may do a full write up on:
Geathers
B. Perriman (not enough tape)
B. Jones (not enough tape)
Fisher
Strong
LOl. I saw Casserly’s mock. Browns take MM at 6. Damn somehow I feel better about our QB situation somehow.
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
23s24 seconds ago
WR Kenny Britt is staying with the #Rams, source said. It’s a 2-year deal worth up to almost $14M. He got 4.3M guaranteed. Wow.
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still no lineman replacements
Think I read they had Justin Blalock in for a visit. And they may re-sign RT Joseph Barksdale.
With Buffalo signing Percy Harvin, I wonder if WR Robert Woods is available. You could say he’d be the #3 WR, but they like Chris Hogan in the slot. Chip seems to like USC wide receivers.
So how long until we find out that G Wisniewski will be in for a visit…?
I’ve been hoping for that, but no indication so far that we’re interested.
Starting C for the Raiders, could be plugged in at RG and if anything happens to Kelce we wouldn’t miss a beat with him. And he’s only turning 26 next week!
Sign him and with Tobin at LG, the Eagles won’t have to go OL with their 1st round pick..
And he’s white!
Sign Wisniewski
Trade Mathis for Keenan Lewis
Draft Landon Collins,Jake Fisher, and Breshad Perriman
BOOM
Bruce Arians called Sam Bradford a star in the making. sounded like he really loved him, saying he might be the best QB prospect he ever evaluated….. and that dude cant wait to take a shot at chip
First compliment he has ever given chip
Arians has been around a few really good QBs. I’d take him at his word on this.
like everyone else, I soooo didnt even see Bradford as an option… The more I think about it, the more the days pass I like the idea more and more… I was a big big believer of Nick in this offense with chip. But if you were to tell me o start looking for a QB upgrade for Nick, the things i would need to see in a kid to make me want to lose Nick are:
..(keep in mind I hate the super athletic mobile QBs, think they really talented runners are cursed with talent that kept them from developing as pocket passers to the fullest of their capabilities) but i would want a QB with:
1) Better athleticism/speed then Nick, but not a running super athlete QB. Bradford is atleast at the sanchez level of speed and thats more then enough to gain 10 yards if they dont defende you
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2) Bigger arm, better arm talent then Nick
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3) smart kid who will get the ball out quick and make the right decisions..
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4) accuracy
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5) experience in either tempo or shotgun spread attack
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whether you like Bradford or not, cant deny that those attributes practically describe Sam Bradford…
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He brings the spread shotgun experience we would get with Mariota, but a much more advanced NFL passer then Mariota. I swear i would rather have Bradford then MM.
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the only thing not to like is his Acl injuries, but how the hell am i supposed to be thrilled about Kiko, sick that we didnt give Maclin 11mil,and then hate Sam Bradford because he had the same exact two injuries s kiko and Maclin?
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then I saw some crazy stat that really made me feel good about this trade…in like the past year or 2 years(forgot which it was), 61 players have suffered ACL injuries… injuries are such a majpr part of the game, they happen to almost everyone sooner or later. Hopefully Bradford got his injury bad luck out of the way and he goes on and has a healthy career for us,.,. chip will build a quality OL for him, playing off a stacked run game and his boy DeMarco and will sorround him with more pass weapons that he ever had. Heck just throwing to Ertz and Sproles is an upgrade for him.. chips going to make playing QB much easier then fisher did
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This is a move that can really pay off in a huge way for us, its just scary because it comes with injury bust potetial… but your star player is at risk to get injured every time he takes the field,,,
I’d be interested in where you found that report on ACLs. Mainly because I’d want to know the success rate of recovery. My guess is it would be higher now than in the past. But it would be reassuring to know.
Players who have played WITHOUT an ACL
http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/10/athletes-without-acls/mickey-mantle
Very enlightening.
like everyone else, I soooo didnt even see Bradford as an option… The more I think about it, the more the days pass I like the idea more and more… I was a big big believer of Nick in this offense with chip. But if you were to tell me o start looking for a QB upgrade for Nick, the things i would need to see in a kid to make me want to lose Nick are:
..(keep in mind I hate the super athletic mobile QBs, think they really talented runners are cursed with talent that kept them from developing as pocket passers to the fullest of their capabilities) but i would want a QB with:
1) Better athleticism/speed then Nick, but not a running super athlete QB. Bradford is atleast at the sanchez level of speed and thats more then enough to gain 10 yards if they dont defende you
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2) Bigger arm, better arm talent then Nick
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3) smart kid who will get the ball out quick and make the right decisions..
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4) accuracy
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5) experience in either tempo or shotgun spread attack
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whether you like Bradford or not, cant deny that those attributes practically describe Sam Bradford…
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He brings the spread shotgun experience we would get with Mariota, but a much more advanced NFL passer then Mariota. I swear i would rather have Bradford then MM.
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the only thing not to like is his Acl injuries, but how the hell am i supposed to be thrilled about Kiko, sick that we didnt give Maclin 11mil,and then hate Sam Bradford because he had the same exact two injuries s kiko and Maclin?
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then I saw some crazy stat that really made me feel good about this trade…in like the past year or 2 years(forgot which it was), 61 players have suffered ACL injuries… injuries are such a majpr part of the game, they happen to almost everyone sooner or later. Hopefully Bradford got his injury bad luck out of the way and he goes on and has a healthy career for us,.,. chip will build a quality OL for him, playing off a stacked run game and his boy DeMarco and will sorround him with more pass weapons that he ever had. Heck just throwing to Ertz and Sproles is an upgrade for him.. chips going to make playing QB much easier then fisher did
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This is a move that can really pay off in a huge way for us, its just scary because it comes with injury bust potetial… but your star player is at risk to get injured every time he takes the field,,,
May have been the team that was offering the 1st rounder
pretty used to dealing w/ QBs w/ acl issues
Some suggest Cleveland, who just can’t seem to get their quarterback situation right.
Honestly at this point if they ever want aQB they need to trade a ton to get one because they can’t develop them for their lives. See If you offer Carolina 12 and 19 for Newton lol
May have been the team that was offering the 1st rounder
Watch out for fake Shefter account reporting deal between #Seahawks and C Stefen Wisniewski
forgot they need a center….i would assume our Guards come in the draft. heck do we even have any money?,,, need to get younger and more athletic on the OL, doesnt hurt to pay two Guards on a rookie deal since we paid JP and Kelce and Lanes extension isnt too far away
we’re baiscally out $12m before murray’s contract which i assume will be about $5m then draft picks.
Remember when the Rams and Sam Bradford ran the up tempo, no-huddle against NYG a few years ago and 2 Giants players faked injuries just to slow down them down?
He’s got some wheels!
http://youtu.be/H84nK2lSw7E
Harper runs (ran?) 4.58…
psh he was like 800yrs old in that game
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/13/joe-banner-chip-kelly-philadelphia-eagles-overhaul/
Joe Banner comments on the Eagles’ moves
So, is he honestly impressed, or is this a enemy of my enemy is a friend thing?
I think he admires Chip’s ballsiness.
How does McFadden’s injury history compare to Mathews’ and Murray’s?
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