Jimmy and Chip
Posted: March 17th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 385 Comments »That is either the title of a bad 1950’s sitcom or Jimmy Johnson talking about Chip Kelly. Peter King talked to old Helmet Hair about Kelly and got some really good quotes.
“Does Kelly remind you of you, 25 years ago?” I asked Johnson the other day.
“Well, in some ways,” Johnson said. “I really like what I have seen out of Chip Kelly. Chip called me and we visited a couple times, and what I heard from him, I liked. No one can say from the outside—right moves, wrong moves. You gotta let ’em play out. You won’t know until you see the results. I felt I was right when I did the things I did, but who knew? I traded away my starting quarterback, Steve Pelluer, to Kansas City. The leading receiver, I don’t remember his name [it was Ray Alexander] we got rid of. I talked to Danny White, and he retired. Then I traded Herschel Walker. You can’t be afraid to make moves. Chip’s not. So some of it is similar. But there is one big difference: We were the worst team in the league two years in a row [1988, 1989]. People were ready for a big change.
“The similarities? We’re both confident, both competent, both know how to win. We talked after he got the new responsibilities this year. I just said, ‘Go with people you believe in, and go with players who fit your personality and fit your system.’ I have talked to Bill Belichick about this too. Certain players are going to be successful in his system and not in others.”
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“Well, with Bradford, the biggest concern I have, and the thing that concerned me with some players that I got burned on, is the injury factor. I remember I traded for [former University of Miami running back] Alonzo Highsmith, because I had great memories, and I did it against my doctor’s recommendations, and he wasn’t the same. So that’s my biggest concern, the health. I love Bradford, but is he gonna be on the field? But if he plays, I like him. Foles, his accuracy was a question. Bradford’s better at that, and it’s not even a questions if he’s healthy. I think Chip looked at Foles as not his guy.”
I asked Johnson if he got a sense in his talks with Kelly that he was going to be active in remaking his roster this off-season.
“Oh yeah,” Johnson said. “The last conversation was over an hour, going over everything. He was loading his guns.”
As much as I hate Jimmy from the Cowboys days, I am glad Chip talked to him. Johnson did a phenomenal job at taking over a team and building them the way he wanted. He took a ton of criticism for many of his moves and had to fight a constant battle for a couple of years with the notion that he was in over his head.
Johnson’s ideas worked and helped shape the game of football in the 1990’s.
Kelly’s ideas have worked to a certain extent, but he has yet to get the team just the way he wants it. One of the problems with inheriting talent is that it can cause you to change your ideas. Had Kelly taken over a bad team, he’d have built it his way from Day One. He saw the talent the Eagles had and tried to build the group to “win now”. After a couple of solid years, Kelly decided solid isn’t good enough and decided to build the team the way he wants it. That meant anything was possible and just about every player was available.
This offseason has been pretty wild so far. And it sounds like Kelly has more moves to make.
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Welcome to the rumor section of the program.
Brandon Lee Gowton has a post up on the Cleveland Browns offering pick 19 for Sam Bradford. Apparently Adam Caplan confirmed this on Twitter.
This is true. #19 overall. RT @Rotoworld_FB: Report: CLE offered 1st rounder for Bradford http://t.co/RFB7T7whhW
— Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) March 17, 2015
What we’re unclear on is whether the offer was made to the Rams or Eagles. Why would the Rams turn down such an offer? Jeff Fisher must believe Nick Foles can be the right guy for that team.
I know some people think Bradford is still trade material, but everything I’ve heard is that he’s here to stay. The Eagles would like to sign him to an extension, but that’s tricky. There isn’t much incentive for Bradford to do an extension right now. Play out the season and hit the market as a free agent next March. A good showing could make him a lot of money.
If he gets hurt or struggles, he can sign cheap for a year with someone and try again in March 2017.
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Sources with the Eagles say they are trying to trade Matt Barkley. If he is traded, I'm told there's an "80% chance" they'll sign Tim Tebow
— Dianna Marie Russini (@NBCdianna) March 17, 2015
This doesn’t make much sense. As Sheil Kapadia and Jeff McLane already pointed out on Twitter today, the roster limit is 90. If the Eagles want Tebow, they can sign him. Has nothing to do with Barkley…for now. They could be connected in September when there is a roster limit. For now, the Eagles could keep both if they wanted.
We’ll see what happens.
As for trading Barkley, it would be great to get anything for him. I’m guessing he gets released eventually. Barkley hasn’t panned out. I think teams know the Eagles will have to cut him so why trade anything, even a 7th round pick, for him?
All it takes is one team to either like him or to be desperate enough to take a chance. I doubt that happens, but I’ll certainly be hoping it does.
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On the heels of his visit to Philly, the #Eagles plan to put WR Nelson Algholor through a workout later this week, a source said.
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Like him as a 2nd round prospect.
That’s too high I think.
He profiles as a traditional slot receiver, though I do really like him. I think in a strong WR class like this, he’s more of a 3rd/4th round guy.
He runs good routes, plays bigger than his size, has strong hands and a really good burst, but lacks top end speed.
Him and Chris Conley are the two mid-round guys I like a lot.
Edit: Just checked some WR rankings, and everyone has him 2-3, so I might be off on value here. I would just hate to use a 2nd round pick on this guy, but I guess I can see it happening.
He’s faster than Maclin. I truly want Dorsett, we need some serious speed. I think he’ll go much higher than that too. Also do you think this draft is as deep as last year with receivers? Either I don’t think it’s as deep as last year or I’m not seeing many prospects that others are. Phillip Dorsett reminds me of Brandin Cooks a lot, probably not as tough but he’s not afraid to take a hit and can break a game open at a moments notice.
Maclin / Algholor ran around the same 40, I guess maybe after the ACL Algholor is faster.
I don’t see the Dorsett / Cooks comp. Cooks has a thicker build and is more explosive. He also caught everything. Dorsett just flies.
Like him a lot. Maclin type, literally the same measurables as Maclin just a little faster.
Howard Eskin and that dianna chicks exchange on twitter was funny. lmfao
She seemed like she was avoiding the creepy guy they kept following her around the bar.
**Update: even after writing this he goes and comments on her tweet again…
yeah lol a lil, but really she just seems in over head when it comes to breaking sports news, esp philly news.
Couldn’t agree more. I actually feel bad for her, she needs Hinkie and Chip to knock him down a few for her.
she didnt answer the question, where is she getting 80% from? lmfao
She clearly says in her tweet that a source said 80%.
well maybe she should go back and ask the source about the 80% or you know have asked about that from the get go before original tweet. now she knows. shes learning.
Asked about the 80%? Like what its favorite color is?
no silly, what its birth sign is, duh
He owned her. Once again Philly > DC
I didn’t want to waste a pick on Barkley and I don’t want to waste a pick on Hundley.
That’s why we should invest a pick in Brandon Bridge.
Those two aren’t even remotely comparable.
I really don’t get the response by Kapadia/McLane/Eskin/etc to the Diana Russini tweet.
Sure, there is no reason they *couldn’t* sign Tebow(or anyone else), there is ample space on the 90 man roster. Why they are all fixated on that part, I cannot comprehend.
Here’s why you don’t sign Tebow unless you trade Barkley:
1. We don’t really need a 5th quarterback. We already have 4
2. If we do want a 5th quarterback, we don’t need one that will cause a media firestorm like Tim Tebow
3. If suddenly there are only 3 quarterbacks and you want a 4th, Tebow makes a bit more sense.
My guess is that in the team’s eyes, Barkley > Tim Tebow + Media Firestorm. But maybe Barkley < Tim Tebow + Media Firestorm + late round pick.
If that's the case, the Diana Russini tweet makes perfect sense. Which is the first think I thought when I read it.
And then 50 journalists jumped all over her and called her an idiot. Which makes no sense to me.
My thing is it doesn’t really matter if the 80% thing is logical or not as the Philly reporters are arguing. She tweeted that her source said that. Maybe the source’s logic is screwed up but she still has the right/responsiblity to report what the source said. To me, this is a bunch of Philly hacks jealous that an out-of-town reporter has sources that they don’t have. Hell, if I was a source, I’d much rather converse with Russini than any of the nasty Philly troll reporters.
Problem is the source could be the agent, which would be far from reliable.
The vast majority of things that reporters tweet as “Source says” comes from the agent. When Schefter, Breer, Rapaport and all those other national guys tweet within seconds of each other that a player has agreed to terms with X team at such and such terms that’s because they all received a mass e-mail from the agent. She is doing what all reporters do. Report sourced info without revealing the source and trust that the audience is intelligent enough to interpret things correctly.
That may be but a comment like “80% sure…” Is clearly an agent trying to make his client seem appealing.
It’s semantics. A veteran reporter uses the phrase “likely” rather than “80% sure”. “likely” still leaves leeway if it doesn’t happen and doesn’t sound as strange as a specific percentage.
I probably am reading into the semantics far too much but I still think it reads like an agent trying to explain away why his client wasn’t signed. All the conditions just seem odd for this point in the season, and oddly specific (the trading Barkley part as well as the 80%).
Well, I get the wanting to jump all over her.
Ok, can we dispel with the misleading statements? Tebow doesn’t bring any media storms with him. The media attached itself to him like some sick parasite because he’s a religious virgin…not his fault.
Not totally his fault…but still a media firestorm nonetheless.
the only reason I could see chip wanting Tebow is because we lost both our emergency QBs James Casey and Brad Smith… both contributed on Special Teams and allowed us to not have to dress Barkley and waste 3 roster spots on QBs,… Maybe Chip plans on doing something totally out the box and make his 3rd QB/emergency QB a key ST contributer?
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Tebow is big enough to fill james Casey or Casey Mathews roles on ST, while he cant be any worse of a QB then emergency QB brad smith..
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maybe chip goes completely out the box, combines our #3 QB spot, with our Key ST contributor/emergency QB spot to maximize roster spots… basically using Tebow to consolidate Brad Smith and Matt Barkley into one roster spot????
And that’s exactly the reason I would like Tebow as our #3 (#3 only, of course, #2 would be a nightmare). That is, if he’s ok with being a STer. It’s kind of a compromise, he still is a QB and not HB/TE/FB, but he has to play teams to be on the active roster. And on the other hand, maybe there is a package or two for him on Offense, even as #3.
Overall, it would like that allocation of resources.
i wouldnt mind a Tebow/Murray zone read in goal line… Tebow is a big physical runner. Id use him in goal line all day.. heck, throw defense a surprise and make Tebow fullback lead blocker for murray on goal line.. no one will be prepared for chip using a fullback..make him an eligible reciever goal line TE, dudes a big boy
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shame Tebow is such a brat about this QB crap… id try to turn him into Gronk
My thoughts exactly. Bradford should only be running around if a play breaks down and there is a lot of green in front of him.
But your #3, who made a (college) career out of being a good, physical runner – why not?
shame he wont let us try and turn him into Gronk Jr…
Howard Eskin @howardeskin 3h3 hours ago
. @NBCdianna George Michael Would embarrassed with this kind of reporting. Your @TimTebow – @MattBarkley story makes no sense. Explain 80%
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@howardeskin please stop tweeting me. Thank you.
I am trying to decide what is funnier
1) Hinkie pointing out Eskin missed the presser after ranting about him never speaking
2) chip using a condescending tone whenever he talks to Howard as if he is talking to that obnoxious kid that just won’t stop talking
3) this tweet
please stop replying to my comment. lmfao jk
was not meant to comment on u but to get some sense of what’s fact and what’s fiction. Thank you and have a great night.
I enjoy chips and les bowens relationship they have going on, such a cute couple. always flirting with each other. lmfao
I thought the same thing when I read her report. An 80% chance they sign Tebow if they trade Barkley? What does that even mean? Either they plan on signing Tebow if/when they get rid of Barkley or they don’t. How do you quantify something like that with such an arbitrary percentage?
IT FINALLY HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Round 1 Pick 20: Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon (A)
Round 2 Pick 20: Ty Sambrailo, OT, Colorado State (B)
Round 3 Pick 20: Lorenzo Mauldin, OLB/DE, Louisville (B-)
Round 4 Pick 14: Durrell Eskridge, FS/SS, Syracuse (B)
Round 5 Pick 9: Chris Conley, WR, Georgia (B)
Round 5 Pick 20: Sean Hickey, OT, Syracuse (D+)
Round 6 Pick 20: Austin Hill, WR, Arizona (C+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Devante Davis, WR, UNLV (F)
Look at dat pick #20! So tasty!!!!!
And to top it all off, an upvote from the man, the myth and the legend, Big Tommy L.!
While we’re at it (thank you trade down Gods)
Round 1 Pick 25 (CAR): T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh (B)
Round 2 Pick 20: Marcus Peters, CB, Washington (A)
Round 2 Pick 22 (DET): Carl Davis, DT/DE, Iowa (A-)
Round 2 Pick 23 (ARI): Paul Dawson, OLB/ILB, TCU (A-)
Round 2 Pick 25 (CAR): Hauoli Kikaha, OLB/DE, Washington (B)
Round 3 Pick 20: Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State (A)
Round 3 Pick 21 (CINN): Nelson Agholor, WR, Southern California (A)
Round 4 Pick 14: Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor (A)
Round 4 Pick 21 (CINN): David Cobb, RB, Minnesota (A)
Round 5 Pick 9: Leterrius Walton, DT, Central Michigan (B+)
Round 5 Pick 20: Sean Hickey, OT, Syracuse (D+)
Round 6 Pick 20: Chris Hackett, FS, TCU (C-)
Round 7 Pick 20: Nick Boyle, TE, Delaware (A-)
watch the surprise of the offseason….. Chip Kelly Trades Bradford for the 19th pick….. giving us two first rounders to start our trade up, but Instead we draft Bud Dupree at 19, and Fisher 20….let the sanchez era begin!!!! LOL that would be such an epic troll job by chip
The MariotaSanchezTebow…a drink with pineapple juice, tequilla and a splash of holy water. Also referred to as the Philly Sling(er)…
Tastes good HawaiianEagle, I’m trying it now. I love the name – Philly Slinger! My tequila of choice – Luna Azule Respote.
I’m curious how you had holy water on hand to make this drink
My neighbor’s a priest and has blessed my well. 🙂
“…Everything I’ve heard is that Bradford’s here to stay”
Uugghh
Curious here: Are you upset because you think he is not talented, is it injury concerns, or you just want Mariota
Bradford has made over 50 million dollars and he hasn’t done shit. That’s around 50 million dollars more than Russell Wilson has made so far. If he really cares about football and winning and proving himself he’d extend with a team friendly deal that would enable the Eagles to put a team around him.
This is such a dumb comment.
Yea, exactly. Bradford has zero incentive to take anything less than $18mil this year, whether that comes from salary or signing bonus and there’d be little incentive to take a low yearly salary moving forward in years 2-5 because if he plays like shit or gets hurt, he’s most likely cut, even if his yearly salary is about $10mil and if he stays healthy and plays well, he’d be in line for around $18mil a year next year anyways so if ge signs now and all goes to shit (3rd injury in a row) he’s in no better shape than if he just refused to sign an extension, and if all works out he basically screwed himself out of an extra $8mil per year. He’s got no incentive to rework his deal unless he gets $18mil this year and Cutler type market value money for a good QB moving forward, which is simply an unnecessary risk for the Eagles.
While your comment kinda makes sense, I think there’s a way the Eagles can pitch an extension to Bradford that kinda makes sense for both sides. If he pops his ACL a 3rd time, he’ll be cut and his $13m for 2015 is gone with no chance to earn anywhere close to that number in 2016 when he’s healed up and trying to come back again.
If the Eagles offered him 2 years, $17m, $13m guaranteed…
1. Bradford ensures he makes that full $13m, whether he gets hurt or not.
2. The team frees up about $5m in cap space this year which gives them flexibility to add more players and, presumably, make Bradford’s job easier.
3. He’s not tying himself into a long-term situation of being hugely underpaid if he plays as well as hoped – if he proves himself the QB of the future, he’d probably be able to negotiate a 5 year deal for legit money next summer.
I don’t necessarily think it’s a likely scenario, but I think you can make a solid argument that a deal like this is in everybody’s best interests. Sam gets more security against being injured again and the team gets to spread out his cost a bit.
I’m going to put out that if he stay here all year that the long term number for Bradford winds up at $18 / year.
#ThanksCutler
why not just play for free?
In terms of Barkley, I would think it would actually come down to whether or not TWO teams like him. I think it is fairly clear the Eagles want to move on from Barkley, so no team is going to give up picks to try and “pry” him away from the Eagles. The reason you give up a late round pick for a guy like Barkley is that you don’t want to have to compete with other teams to sign him as a free agent.
D3FB I saw this and wondered if you saw it since you like Hundley.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCCjdrUPRVQ
Good stuff. Hundley doesn’t get the recognition he deserves. He’s a hell of a quarterback, a football player, a competitor, and an even better young man. Short of ending up in a QB abyss like Cleveland, I think he’s going to be a very good player in this league.
I really wanna see what Hundley can do in our offense.
Whenever I see videos of this kid speak and interview, I come away impressed. He appers to be smart, but also very calm and confident in his demeanor. I know this doesnt nessecarily translate to the field, but in some ways it makes me feel alot better about the projection that is going on with him and his ability to up his game in the pro’s. I wouldn’t mind Hundley on this team at all, as long as we dont give up more than one pick to get him. Could turn into a very solid QB.
You’ve made me do a 180 on him. At this point, I would be happy to see Kelly hedge his Bradford bet with Hundley at 20.
makes perfect sense to spend the 20th pick on our #3 QB…. its not like we are going into the draft with like 5 starting spots to fill that directly impact next season..,
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im sure everyone will give chip a pass next year when we go into the season with big holes, and we struggle… after all chip got his #3 QB, so all the eagles fans will be happy to sacrafice next season… I bet….
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you paying 20mil to the QB position, and you have to “hedge your bet” with the 20th pick in the draft? Isnt that what we gave Sanchez 9 mil to do?
hundley will 100% be available at 20…. if chip wanted him that bad, either Sam or Sanchez wouldnt be here
Why? What if Kelly think Hundley needs 2 years and that Sanchez is the backup for those?
allocation of resources bud… you know, something GMs actually have to take serious
You should really get out of the “predictions” game at this point, don’t you think?
What if Chip trades Sam to the Browns and then takes Fisher or Strong at 19 and then Hundley at 20? That would be trading Foles and swapping a 2nd for 3rd and 4th for a 5th to get the 19th pick in the first round. At this point, I don’t know how anyone can say they know what Chip is thinking or going to do. I am just going along for the ride!
way more realistic to me…. paying Sam 13, sanchez a well paid backup, and spending the 20th pick on the position? i dont buy that at all….. get rid of sam or sanchez, and spending the 20th pick on a QB makes much more sense to me
I’m just nervous heading into the season with Bradford as our starting QB. That almost guarantees that Sanchez will play at some point. When Bradford tore his ACL last year, the hit didn’t look that bad. Bradford didn’t even fall over when hit, it just kinda bent funny, and he was wearing a brace at the time. I just didn’t trust that knee.
hundley isnt going to be a better QB next year then sanchez… so no matter who we draft, we are still stuck with sanchez next year if Sam gets hurt… we arent paying Sanchez all that money to be a #3 QB next year
How do you know now that Hundley wont be better than Sanchez? Same way you knew Foles would start for us in 2015?
lol ok…. how the fuck do you know anything? if you only posted what you knew with 100% certainty there wouldnt even be a blog this time of year. dont be a HEe HAW, Hee Haw, you are better then that.. comment section is mostly OPINION based this time of year. we KNOW NOTHING right now, so bwtf do you want to talk about? LOL
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isnt it understood that when i make these comments im not sitting here looking at a copy of chips big board? so what exactl;y is the donkey point?
Would Sanchez be better than Hundley? I just don’t want to watch Sanchez for any extended period of time next year! We saw him play last year. He will play good against bad teams and stink against anyone good. I think I would rather watch Hundley struggle than Sanchez. Hundley has a higher ceiling IMO. If we drafted Hundley in my scenario above, Sanchez would be the #2 not #3, but I see what you are saying.
Exactly! If we draft QB in the first round that’s fine but only really makes sense if one of Bradford or Sanchez is gone and Sanchez is the one that just got a signing bonus and some guaranteed money from us. We haven’t paid Bradford a dime yet. Add in the 3rd round pick we get if Bradford is moved along with his $13mil salary/cap hit this year and he’s the obvious guy that gets cut/traded.
Why cant we have Bradford, Sanchez, rookie? Let the rookie sit for a year or 2.
That’s certainly an option. I just think it makes little sense and would be a poor use of resources. Why trade Foles and a second and give up the opportunity to get a 3rd back if we’re so not high on Bradford that the ultimate plan is to draft a QB in the first round and eventually have him be the starting QB. Why pay such a high cost in draft picks and a player, for a one year rental QB that costs $13mil. If Bradford plays well you either just wasted your first round choice and have to resign him long term to a big deal or you gave up a lot of resources, used a 1st rounder on a QB that may or may not play as well as Bradford and even though you finally found a good QB by spending those resources you let him go. The only way using a first rounder on a QB ends up being a good move following the Bradford trade is if one we’re super high on Hundley and view him has a good bet to be elite and Bradford ends up sucking or getting reinjured, and in that case, he ends up being no better than Sanchez would have been as the starter next year. So if the only way the pick works out well is if Bradford is no better than Sanchez, and we’re really that high on Hundley, why not keep the picks and keep Foles and roll with him or Sanchez as the place holder until we ultimately coach Hundley up to take over? In your scenario, using a first on Hundley, would indicate that he’s the final plan, he’s the guy they see being the future and Bradford is the guy that were hedging our bet on Hundley with and would hopefully only be a one year place holder, not as you described with Hundley being the hedge for Bradford if he fails. It just would be a massive misallocation of resources to spend what we did on Bradford to have our ultimate plan to have him be a one year place holder and/or a hedge of a bet we made on a first round pick. Just doesn’t make sense to me.
I cannot agree. Kelly likes Bradford a lot for his offense, and he went out and acquired him. If he is high on any QB who’s available at 20, he should pull the trigger because of the importance of the position. It is not only that Bradford could get hurt again, but also that most NFL teams are not in love with their starting QB. Very good QB’s are rare commodities, and that alone is a reason for grabbing one when you can. It won’t help your team immediately, and it could hinder retooling, but it could also pay off big time down the road. I don’t think the resource allocation argument is a justification for passing on a QB that you like.
If drafting a QB in the first round after already putting a large amount of resources into the position isn’t a misallocation of resources and since your starting QB could always get hurt, and there will always be a scarcity of QBs league wide, why not just draft a QB in the first round every year. Hell spend all your picks on QBs.
It’s really about how much love the selector has for the particular QB. I’m not on the MM/Hundley wagon, because I can’t make the leap that a lot of folks are making, but if CK loves a QB, and he feels strongly that the kid won’t be around next pick, it violates the team-building 101, but it makes sense otherwise. I really am opposed to drafting QB’s in the first because of the cost and the pressure it creates. QB’s are a dime/dozen; there’s like 6 on Eagles roster (B. Smith and Casey gone so we may still have 4). But how many times does a guy have somebody within reach that he really likes? I will concede that I don’t see anybody that I like that much, but my opinion counts for nought. I assume that Kelly likes MM enough that he’ll take him at 20 if he’s there. If he’s there at 19, he’d probably make Cleveland an offer to move up – I’m guessing, obviously. But I have no idea how Chip ranks the QB’s after MM who he said he thought was the best. The NFL is full of 2nd rate QB’s. I say give Kelly or whoever the freedom to go after somebody they like.
Yea, man, I agree with everything you said here. And I certainly agree that if MM is sitting there at 20, Chip won’t be able to get the selection in fast enough. Hell, if he falls to 6 or 10 and the cost to move up is reasonable I bet he takes it. However, my issue isn’t with taking a QB in the first round at all. You’re absolutely right. If a QB you, as the head coach loves and believes in fully is there you absolutely take him. Those opportunities are few and far between. Rather my issue stems from taking a QB in round 1 AND keeping Bradford as a 1 year place holder at $13mil. If we draft Mariota the very next move should be flipping Bradford for a 1st rd pick. Then we go with Mariota as the projected starter and have hedged our bets appropriately with Sanchez. Having Bradley start for one year only to get no compensation next year when he leaves while your 1st rd pick is sitting at 3rd string just doesn’t make practical sense especially when you consider the cost in resources and salary to have Bradford as a starter for just one year.
Remember when Dick Vermeil had Trent Green in St. Louis, and they were up and coming team and then Green went down and he took a chance with a guy who was bagging groceries a few months prior? And then there was the greatest show on turf. It wasn’t planned for and it could not have happened if Vermeil hadn’t looked past his starter while his starter was healthy to sign somebody that checked every box on his list. Yes, a #1 is MUCH more expensive than UDFA, but the rationale is no different. Vermeil saw in Warner a player who had starter potential and he had a starter. If Kelly sees a prospect he thinks he can develop into a starter for him, he’d be certified nuts to dump his starter to get him. Kelly has said he’s not going to blow up the team for ANY player, so I am not arguing that line of reasoning. All I am saying is a prospect that Kelly likes a lot should not be verboten in round 1 because he just traded for his starter. I would not mind at all if Kelly grabbed a QB early, with a view toward that kid becoming a starter “one day.” It doesn’t de-value Bradford, but it would slow down addressing depth at other positions. That is not an unjustified expenditure in my opinion, and nobody else would care either as long as the plan turned out well for Kelly, the kid and the team. Even without the storybook ending, I’m okay with the move because it is a proactive risk, that even if it fails, does not set us back substantially.
Ok I guess we just disagree then. I really see absolutely no parallel with the Trent Green/Kurt Warner situation. In the Rams situation they had a middle of the road QB who was injured and they stumbled upon an UFA that became a potential HOFer. Good for them. But that has nothing to do with whether or not they misallocated resources. They had s need at QB with their starter injured and spent no resources at all and lucked into a truly great QB. And, now Trent Green is just a foot note in the history of that organization disputed moderately high hopes for him in the beginning. That’s not in any way what we’re talking about and doesn’t in the least bit address the question at hand as to whether or not it would be prudent to trade a QB with high price tag, no guarantee of success and 1 yr left on his deal, if we opted to draft a QB in round one. Ignoring all logical arguments as to why it would be a waste to invest that much capital into a singular position two times over and bring up a time ten years ago when a situation occurred for which there are literally zero parallels that ended up working out does little to bolster your position. It would be more apt to compare it to other situations in which s team just traded significant resources for a starting QB. If you look back through history you’ll notice that not once did a team ever trade away a bunch of valuable assets for a presumed starting QB and then also draft his replacement with the ultimate goal of replacing the original traded for QB after only one year. We currently have a presumptive starting quality QB that cost us a starting QB and a second round pick, plus a drop from round 3 to 4, who will happen to cost us $13mil this year. We also have a borderline starting QB in Mark Sanchez who we just signed to a deal that pays him as more than a number two QB. If we draft yet another QB in round one we now have invested significant resources in 3 potential starting QBs even though only one can play. With Bradford making $13mil next year he’s the starter even despite the 1st round selection. No way we start the rookie and pay Bradford $13mil to hold a clip board for a year before leaving in free agency, costing us Foles and a 2nd plus for the honor of having him hold a clip board all year and leave as a free agent makes no sense at all. So he’s the starter, Sanchez is the back up being paid borderline starter money AND we have a 1st round pick as our third string QB getting minimal reps and never seeing the field. Next year after a year of Bradford starting we’ll have a huge decision to make at the most important position on the team without really having the necessary information to make that decision. We can at that point either stick with Bradford because he played so well at which point the choice to draft a QB in the first round and stick him at 3rd on our depth chart was a complete waste. Or, we let Bradford go and roll the dice on the 3rd string QB that we haven’t seen play a meaningful snap, at which point trading a bunch of resources for Bradford and paying him all that money was a complete waste. Therefore, in your proposed scenario, no matter what outcome occurs, we will have wasted significant resources. Which again begs the question, if, in the scenario you present as you see it potentially occurring, Chip truly believes in a certain 1st round QB and plans for him to eventually be the starter, which means, barring a miraculously high level performance from Bradford, that we’re going to let him go next year for nothing to give this other QB the shot Chip is so sure he deserves, then why not move Bradford this year for another first round choice? It makes no sense to keep them both. If Bradford had multiple years on his contract at a reasonable salary and we hadn’t JUST traded significant resources for his services, then yea it might make some sense, but given the current situation it simply does not and I can guarantee you it won’t happen. You can personally call me out and I will apologize profusely if it does.
Wow, that’s a lot. More than once you’ve painted the size of Bradford’s contract as the primary reason for nixing a first round QB selection, and all I am suggesting is that his contract is not in perpetuity, and even if he plays his best football for Eagles, it will most likely not be matched ever again. The next year for a QB selection? Aaron Rodgers said he benefitted greatly from being given a few years to learn it all, and the 9M that is now going to Sanchez can go away as fast as it came. I am not hoping for this to happen, I don’t think it will happen, but I think the challenge that landing a good QB presents overrides the money it ties up. Kelly has said he loves MM, and he has said he won’t blow up the team for anybody, but we aren’t talking about that. If…if Kelly grabs MM or any other QB, I would not interpret that as a knock on Bradford or a sign that Bradford’s time in Philly will be brief. It would most definitely impact the QB hierarchy after Bradford, but Sanchez will most likely be Bradford’s backup all of next season even if Kelly does grab a QB.
I was wrong to bring up the Green/Warner thing. You are right – bad analogy. Sorry. And I am not about to ask anybody for an apology for having a point of view. You are focused on value, which I completely get. I do that too. But I will make the one exception for the one position.
Nice reply. I don’t totally disagree. If there’s one position that is worth investing tons of resources its QB. If we hadn’t already given up a 2nd and a 4th plus Foles for Bradford, and instead had just signed him as a FA, I think the idea of drafting a 1st round QB would make a bunch of sense.
good stuff today Jernst… you brought the HEAT all over this thread
or bringing in Tebow. That Sanchez signing gave us a ton of news on Chips direction…
Drafting for needs leds to trouble, so in that regard drafting for current needs is very stupid (if so, we should draft Landon Collins despite his poor fit).
2nd, how do you count to 5? Currently there is 1 need on the team who isnt really filled and that is safety.
i dont expect to draft for NEED, I expect that the best layers on the board at 20, are positions of major NEEDS for us…atleast 1 Guard, maybe two, WR, Safety, probably another TE, a young outside corner to start grooming on the bench….
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and you drunk way too much of the cool aid if you think every front office doesnt prioritize NEED…. see LAST season, we drafted Marcus early because we knew it was a need and that those positions get over drafted, so if we wanted THAT position, we had to reach a bit….
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BPA is the biggest bunch of crap ever… its a way GMs figure out how to politely say MIND YOUR DAMN BUSINESS, everytime a media member is silly enough to ask him who he will draft… NEED is ALWAYS factored in to SOME DEGREE… BPA is the clever way to tell you, we dont know so dont ask, and its a clever way afterwards to respond to archair GMs asking why didnt you draft so and so.. “blah blah blah, we have a need at that position but we stick to BPA blah blah blah”… basically its the clever polite answer applicable around draft time, to justify not telling us anything
So you do not want to draft need but expect BPA magically also fits a need?
What if Kelly think Hundley is by the BPA, why shouldnt he take him?
Need is ALWAYS factored in to some degree….. they friggin drafted for Need just last year, and you have the audacity to pretend we stick to a strict BPA? first of all, we dont rank a big board of all the players/..there are plenty quality prospects who dont even make our big board due to fit/which factors into NEED…. come on with this idealistic bullshit extreme…NEED always comes into the equation(just in different degrees’)… not to mention early rounds you are chosing between a bunch of similarly graded prospects pretty often, guess what one of the major tie breakers is? NEED!!!! ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES!!!! dont tell me that anyone sticks to extreme total BPA, because its bullshit… its all part of the draft equation, how much importance you place on it will vary. for some it factors heavily into an equation… its great to say you will draft the best player available.. what happens if that costs you going into the season with 3 major holes that end up screwing up next season? you going to give the GM a pass because he stuck to BPA? come on…
and how well did that 1st round need pick help us last year?
My point is, just because you draft for need, does not mean you get immediately contribution and that is why you do not draft purely for need. If the Eagles go QB at 20, its because they think Hundley/Petty/who ever, can be the best player down the line
only fools judge draft picks on what they do as rookies. take that bullshit elsewhere
i know that you know better, so dont pretend to be dumb
says the guy who think im judging Smith instead of point out the flaw in drafting for need and expecting them to start in 2015.
That is why I do not care what we select at 20 because no matter what, I do not expect the guy to be a big contributor in 2015.
you dont have to convince me if its a good idea or bad strategy, its not my call. im not the one making the pick…. lets just not pretend that the decision makers dont factor need into the equation in some capacity more times then not…. i dont mind if they actually went with a pure BPA, but that doesnt happen
I know they have need as part, but also know its in general a bad idea and I could totally see Kelly select Hundley if he thinks he can mold him into the perfect QB
i would draft NT, Jordan Phillips if he was available at #20… which literally might be the LAST position of NEED on our roster…. so i dont disagree
i just think chip lost his flexibility when he decided to go into this draft with so many immediate fires that need to be put out….. he already admitted that we have to go into this draft and get a WR, doesnt that say on some level we are drafting for need?,..
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edit, scratch the putting out fires analogy please… poor chpoice of words for a fanbase that spent a first round pick on a a fireman from “Canadia” lol
Im okay drafting for need after first couple of rounds, but early on, I just want the most talented player no matter the position
Did you just tell yourself not to be dumb? I almost spit coffee all over my computer screen when I read that!
Im not judging him, but just pointing out how drafting for need wont help you in 2015….
Nobody sticks religiously to BPA, but it serves as a corrector and an ideal. As CK has said, the draft is a crap shoot, so there’s the fact that every board is different because everybody does not agree on who the best player is. But if Kelly sees a QB in round 1 that he likes the look of, I would expect him to grab him ahead of ANY need. He would sell it as BPA, and that would be true – on HIS board. And you can label that as a NEED pick, because good QB is always a need. But Anders is right, you look to the draft to fill needs, you’re dismissing some critical talent and probably overpaying for average.
Well, I agree with you in theory, but I see what Geagle is saying. There’s enough needs (WR, G, OLB, CB, S, a Tackle that can play G until Peters retires, an ILB if they want to move Kendricks to replace DeMeco, a defensive lineman if he’s truly BPA even) that you should easily have a player that’s BPA or at least tied in the same tier as a couple other players that fits with our needs more than a 3rd QB.
For me QB is a need until Bradford or somebody else proves its not a need.
What about RG? For a run first team with a injury prone QB, Barbre or Tobin just aren’t enough.
especially since i dont think Mathis will be here either… maybe tobin and Barbre can fight for one guard spot…. we cant start both
I love these kind of arguments. If you’re putting Tobin down as your Herremans replacement, I’ll take Wolff, Reynolds, Watkins and/or Carroll as my Allen replacement. As things stand right now, our OL is sorely lacking depth whereas our secondary is not. I prefer fixing the hole in the line to be priority 1 because the foundation of Kelly’s game is the run, and the more success we have running, the less pressure we put on our D. My rationale fits your logic, I think, because at 20 there ought to be a high quality tackle or guard like Clemmings or Fisher or A.J.Cann, but I don’t know of a safety that good. Unfortunately, WR is more stocked than safety too, so we might be ignoring what you call the one need that isn’t filled until the later rounds, assuming we don’t snag a free agent. I’m curious do you think WR position is filled?
I’m sensing sarcasm…. lol….
hundley runs fast, i guess I should get on board…. maybe the skins will agree to just having Hundley vs. RG3 race the 40 to see who wins, instead of playing the game out
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Rule of thumb… you wanna draft a fast mobile QB? fine… but only if you can picture that QB being an immobile stiff who cant move and you would you still want to draft him because you believe he doesnt need to run, he could shred you from the pocket without having any mobility…… if you would still want that QB if he was the slowest QB in the NFL, then draft him….. but its so dumb to factor mobility into your QB desires..historically it has done more harm then good
no guarantee bradford is here, no guarantee if he’s here he plays or plays the full here. we don’t have a developmental QB.
I hope not.. Brett can run and he’s a decent passer but I can’t see him running Chip’s NFL offense which requires quick reads.
He’s a great running Qb but he processes slowly and looks to run a little too much and he’s deliberate. He telegraphs everything.
He really doesn’t.
Do you think he goes in the first?
Yes.
I almost always knew where he was going with the football. He’s too slow processing and reading defenses but in time that could improve. It’s just not his strong suit. He doesn’t scan the field quickly.
Multiple reads:
USC tape: 2:40, 3:15, 4:00, 4:55, 5:35, 6:07, 7:33, 8:07
AZ tape: :30, 3:53,
Eye fakes:
Utah: 4:50 holds the safety before throwing perfect backshoulder
5:30 stares down the dig brings the corner up, hits the wheel route for long TD
6:55 looks at the strong side WR combination to hold the FS.
7:05 does the same thing this time hits receiver in stride for go-ahead TD
Zona
3:20 looks of free before throwing great 9 route.
6:05 checks his underneath receivers and shoulder fakes, in perfect collaboration with double move, goes over the top for TD.
6:50 again looks manipulates defense with staring down underneath routes and shoulder fakes before throwing deep for outside WR.
Don’ttell me he can’t make multiple reads or use his eyes to manipulate a defense. You’re either not watching tape or not paying attention.
If they move Matthews outside, this could be a target (Nelson Agholor). They brought him in for a draft visit, but his interview makes me think this is a CK guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZhbHs90oz0
They aint moving Matthews outside
He’s a punt returner too, maybe CK sees value in that as well.
Kelly clearly values players who can produce on ST.
Player A: 6’1, 198lbs, 32 1/4″ arms, 9 1/4″ hands 40:4.45 sec, 10 yard split:1.58 sec
Player B: 6’0, 198lbs, 32 1/4″ arms, 9 1/4″ hands 40: 4.42 sec, 10 yard split: 1.53 sec
Player A: Maclin
Player B: Agholor
LOL – I guess when CK says he likes measurables, he sticks to it!
Is player A Jeremy Maclin?
any acls? Maclin was just “ok” as a receiver to me, interesting Kelly wants his clone. thought for sure we’d want a guy 10-15lbs heavier and an inch taller.
roto wrote and article about height / weight and red zone correlations.
Agholor is a bit more of a RAC threat than Maclin.
I don’t think he has a history of major injuries, but he did dislocate a finger during drills at the combine…
Wasn’t Maclin also considered a big RAC threat coming out of college?
Yea! He was also a big return specialist threat too coming out of college. Unfortunately his balls receded once he got to the pros and until last year (a contract year, surprise surprise) he avoided contact like the plague and went down to the ground every time a DB looked at home funny. I like Mac and he’s become a real good WR, but it’s stunning how different he is as a pro than he was in college. Just put on his highlight videos from Missouri and tell me that looks anything like the player we saw over the last 4-5 years.
Agholor is a bit more fast twitch than Maclin, which I like.
Neither can blow the top off a D, which is another similarity.
I like Agholor a lot in the 3rd / 4th.
He’s going 2nd. May sneak late round 1.
Even if this guy is exactly Maclin’s skill set with good knees, he’s still significantly younger with a cheaper salary to project.
Kelly “wants” his clone? And we know this because?
Because we drafted Marquis Lee last year…Oh wait…nevermind. sorry sheil
Well, Kelly did want Maclin to the tune of allegedly $10M. Just not more. So he very well may want a cheaper, younger clone. We’ll find out.
Well — yeah …. Just because 1 guy makes a visit doesn’t meant Kelly wants his clone. There’s going to be a handful of wr’s that CK checks out between now and draft day. Then throw in — what’s probably the avg height of wr’s is most likely around the that 6’0 range…..
That actually makes a lot of sense to me. Maclin was not unsuccessful in our sytem. His leaving wasn’t about his size or speed, just his cost. If we were willing to pay him 10 million a year to stay, I would not be at all surprised if we are willing to use a draft pick on a player of similar measurables.
Currently working on my next post which should be ready in a few days.
“Tobin or not Tobin”
As you can tell from the clever title, it’s a love poem about Wade Keliikipi and Trey Burton.
If the question is “Who did a good job playing last season?”, I would pick “not Tobin.”
And therein lies the point of the film study. Was he truly as bad as people think? (Because the number of people on earth who did a detailed film analysis focusing on just him has to be in the low double digits)Was he affected by those around him? Was he bothered by the high ankle sprain?
I went back and watched his college tape, now I’m going to watch last years film and see if he has improved some of his deficiencies, and try to project just exactly what we can expect from Tobin in 2015.
Excellent. Thank you for doing this. I’d love to get a set of eyes trained directly on Tobin with a solid conclusion reached about a fair bar to set for expectations for his play in 2015.
And if “Tobin sucked” winds up being “Player X next to Tobin caused the sucky play” I’ll be happy to shift the abuse to that guy!
Looking forward to it. Also wish we could have seen more from Babre to ascertain whether he has the tools to step in.
Can’t say I’ve done detailed film study on him, but I will say that I’ve rewatched a fair amount of those games focusing on the line in general. My knowledge of specific techniques and assignments is limited, so even that doesn’t come close to what you’re going to do.
That said, Tobin was unimpressive, but wasn’t the guy who stood out for his awful. Molk often looked overmatched in pass pro, was mobile in run blocking, but couldn’t finish his blocks. Gardner generally just looked awful at pretty much everything. Every once in a while he surprised with a nice block, but those were relatively rare, compared to matador moves he made pretty consistently.
After watching the games again, Tobin came out looking better than I expected (admittedly, a low bar). Hearing that he was struggling not only with the other awfulness in the middle, but also with a high ankle sprain, and I would guess that he’s the presumptive replacement for Herremans, for now.
Can’t wait to see your article tell me how wrong I am!
Yea that was pretty much my takeaway from live viewings. Interesting to see if it changes under a microscope.
I will be interested to hear whether you think it is nobler,
In your mind, to measure arms of a sea of prospects
or are opposed to ending his chance.
If watching tape makes you want to die, to sleep.
But to sleep, perchance to dream of a first round upgrade.
For with this lack of depth, what dreams may come?
The reason a team would trade for Barkley, despite knowing he’ll get cut, is to ensure they get him at his current cap instead of potentially competing with other teams for him. So a 7th might be worth it in the end because it’ll save a little money and ensure you get your guy.
This is assuming Barkley even has a market at all.
And would be only if said team had Barkley high on their board and were upset the Eagles took him before they could in round 4………and that team’s coach / GM combo is still in place.
I think the rumor is Eagles traded up for him in the 4th because KC wanted him…maybe they still might as a backup
edit: actually Oakland not KC
Good point, however, Barkley makes $600,000 this year and $685,000 next year. Looking at other 3rd string QBs that haven’t shown anything in their careers, this is probably about as much as he’d make on the open market. So the financial savings of trading for him it pretty low if anything at all. Not like there’s be a huge market for him either to drive up his price. If I was a team id be pretty concerned that he couldn’t even look good in Chips offense that made Foles and Sanchez look phenomenal at times. If I’m a team with a need at 3rd QB im not giving up much of anything for a guy like that. Players like him truly do grow on trees and it looks like he’ll probably get cut anyways. I think a 7th rounder is about the absolute best we could hope for.
think we make too much of the bradford injury… im not that concerned.
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for starters, every year there are tons of draft prospects and Free agents we deem medically untouchable. our Doctors/respected surgeons cleared Sam for us, or he wouldnt be here…
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we arent talking about RG3 here who needs to fly around, make sudden cuts, accelerate out of harms way to be able to successuly play the QB position.
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There are two ways to jackup your ACL
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1) Non contact injury, the wrong step, landing wrong, accelerating suddenly, making sharp cuts
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2) Contact injury, Direct shot to he Knee
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fortunately for us, sam doesnt need to run around with his legs to play the QB position. Call me crazy, but i think his surgically repaired ACL will be strong enough to
a) take 3 or 5 step drops
b) step up in the pocket, or side step to avoid a defender
c) roll out, take 3 steps and throw
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if you are telling me that I have to worry about the AC:L of a pocket QB, yo are almost saying that his ACL isnt strong enough to walk on.. and I dont buy that….
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of course a pocket QB is always at risk for a contact injury. Direct shot to the knee and the fat lady will start singing….but there isnt a human being alive with a healthy, strong enough ACL to take direct hits to the Knee and not snap.. every QB healthy or injured is at risk. No ones knee is strong enough to eat direct hits…. so If Sams style of play lowers the odds on non contact ACL injuries, and he isnt at any more risk of shattering his knee due to a direct hit then any other QB with healthy Knee standing in the pocket with 11 animal defenders trying to kill him…. then how worried can I really be?
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i should be way more concerned about the ACL’s of guys like Kiko or Maclin, whos entire game relies on sudden bursts, acceleration, sharp cuts, jumping over defenders…..if we had to worry about Sams ACL not being strong enough to take a 3 step drop, our doctors would .have never cleared him.
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even if he was healthy, i wouldnt expect him to run around like a chicken with his head cut off in this offense. He is here to shred you with his arm and quick decision making.. cant be afraid of him taking a bad shot to his knee, because there isnt a knee in the NFL so healthy and strong that can withstand the wrong type of direct hit to the knee…so I guess im not as concerned as most about this injury history
All very true. Do you or does anyone else know how Bradford tore his ACL both times. I don’t know the circumstances with the first injury, but if I’m remembering correctly I think the second tear was a situation like McNabbs where he was just running towards the sidelines as he threw the ball and the damn thing just snapped. If that’s the case there’s a few options, either the surgical repair was flawed and weak from the get go and it was just a matter of time before it snapped again and that’s not a knock on Bradford at all. Nothing you can do if the surgery was flawed or the ligament they used (either his own or a cadavers) was weak from the get go. Or, Bradford took a shot to the knee that no ACL could withstand. Again, that’s just bad luck. The other potential cause is the only one that would be concerning and that’s the possibility that Bradford simply has weak ligaments or a poorly designed body that is prone to these types of injuries. That would mean he just truly is injury prone and this very well could happen again.
The other thing that might cause him problems is the mental aspect of injuring ones knee 2 years in a row. While you’re correct that his game should not take too much of a hit due to the prior injuries because his game doesn’t require sharp cuts and rapid acceleration/deceleration, often times players with these types of injuries get it in their head that they need to protect their knees. They start focusing on the rush, focusing on guys coming in low by their knees and trying to protect themselves by bailing out of the pocket backwards. That could definitely effect his game. If you remember our once promising MLB Stewart Bradley, he came back from an ACL tear. He could run and cut. Physically he didn’t look much different, but his entire approach while playing changed. He started to focus on avoiding contact, he seemed to always be thinking about protecting his knee every time he engaged a blocker and it killed his game completely.
Second was a direct hit to the knee.
some speculate they brought him back too soon so the knee wasnt ready. I was under the impression that the second was no contact at all, he just planted and it went. I could be wrong on that but I know one of them happened that way.
first was a scramble to sideling he was dragged down out of bounds awkwardly. second was a hit to the knee while he was standing in the pocket.
how come I saw several tweets or read about a no contact injury. I know I read that.
No one “hit” his knee in 2013.
In 2014, his leg was rolled.
And from the tape, it doesn’t seem like much contact occurred.
But he wasn’t hit in the knee the way Randall was against GB in ’91.
okay, they made it sound like he just planted which is BS. Thanks for the links. Both were pretty minor contact really, almost similar. One near horse collar that yanked him just a tad, the other pull down from the front also not that jarring. Thats kind of scary if you think about how his body couldnt withstand either of those. Some players would have been tweaked but fine.
[reposted from yesterday]
Here’s the video of both plays — from 2013 and 2014 — on which Bradford injured his left ACL.
Take a look.
Is this a guy with (a) bad luck, or (b) bad genes?
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– 2013 injury:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000266211/Tempers-flare-as-Bradford-leaves-game-with-injury
– 2014 injury:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000382460/article/sam-bradford-out-for-season-with-torn-acl
I read this yesterday and don’t know if I posted, but interesting article about being “injury prone.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/is-rams-qb-sam-bradford-injury-prone-or-a-victim-of-bad-luck–why-the-answer-may-surprise-you—225739976.html
This is a good article and it’s great CK checks with his peers. My vision of Chip is different then what he’s doing. The trades/drops don’t shock me. I expected Chip to build his team with the draft and young talent. Savvy moves etc etc. I’m not doubting Chip, I’m just asking – so far — where are the “genius” moves? Where’s the talent this guy is supposed to find?
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So far – Chips moves are not for a dynasty(as people like to point out) or culture. Chip threw all that out of the window. Chip is building to win in 2015. If this doesn’t work, Chip will reload and rebuild again in 2016. And I’m not saying I’m against what he’s doing, it’s just not what I was expecting.
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Would love OD’s thoughts on this….
i was a little concerned with his approach til I heard him elaborate on his vision a bit. pleased to hear that he still intends to build through the draft and this offseason shopping spree was chip laying his howie-less foundation, but chip said he plans to get to a place where we only build thru the draft and wont be major players in free agency, which make me feel better about his vision…
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this isnt a rebuild, more of a retooling, changing the core on the fly like we did in 2010, or like the Giants did last year adding 27 new players, a year later(this year) and the Giants were very quiet in free agency…. id be concerned if we have 3 drastic free agent markets like this in a row, but it doesnt sound like we are heading in that direction which is a good thing… Also was pleased to see Chip miss out on 3 of his top 4 targets, yet he was flexible enough to adjust on the fly and still end up having a quality free agency market, increasing our talent level
Nothing drives this points more home than the Bradford signing (and T-Laws comments above). No need to restructure Bradfords contract now until he proves he can be Chips guy. So not re-working his contract now is telling us, Bradford could be here for only a year.
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T-Law said it last year and it holds true this year — worst case scenario is Bradford playing 1/2 a season and getting hurt….
EYF:
Not to be too difficult . . .
But the worst-case scenario with Bradford is not trading him to Cleveland for a 1st and then seeing him play 8.01 games before suffering a season ending injury.
If you trade him — who is the QB for next season?
Mariota
I’m not sure a 19 and 20 is enough. In thinking of terms of talent, the elite players are like 1-12. ‘ok’ players after that…
don’t think we have the cap space to do damage in FA next year, though i’m sure we’ll be back into the safety market.
If Chip only was as drunk as I was last night..
Now I know who that was…
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Mike Reiss @MikeReiss 1m1 minute ago
CB Bradley Fletcher, who visited the Patriots on Tuesday, is signing with the team. His agent @andysimms confirmed when asked.
If Carry and Bradley play well, and our new players don’t, Beware Billy D.
should have already been beware Billy D last season, Im there anyway, not a fan.
Front Seven was great, Billy D was part of that. Secondary was a mess. Chip wants to give him a chance because that mess could have easily been because of lack of talent, but Billy D is gone if our Secondary won’t peform next year. Chip thinks heavily about Maxwell, otherwise he won’t pay that money. They signed Thurmond and have Watkins, Boykin and Carroll under contract.
Chip has to give Billy D a Safety, though. On Offense, you can hide your weak link (as long as it’s not QB and probably OL), but on Defense, you’re only as good as your weakest part, because the opposing offense will attack that weak part. R
Unless you’re Bill Belicheck, of course, and then it almost seems easy to hide Patrick Chungs coverage deficiencies.
Well, that’s why he’s the best. The Jets fans will say: well, Kelly can hide Sanchez limitations. It is what it is.
ya I get that, it was the stubborness not to adjust or try anything else that killed me. I still understand an extra year at this point, not like they were winning a superbowl anyway.
It already can’t be a good sign that the two players were picked by two highly regarded defensive minds.
Oh Jesus…how much you wanna bet Belicheck gets him to go all Patrick Chung and play at a high level on that team.
The thing I love about Belicheck, is that, despite the lip service that every coach gives to adjusting their scheme to their players and putting individual players in a position to succeed, he’s literally the only coach I’ve ever seen that truly does so. He literally changes his entire scheme on both offense and defense to take advantage of his talent. When they had Randy Moss they aired it out, with Corey Dillon they pounded the rock with a power run game, with pass catchers in the backfield they used their RBs as primary receiving threats, when they had Gronk and Hernandez they worked the seams and the short to mid range middle of the field and got real creative with the TE position, with Edelman and crew this year they were methodical in their short passing game. On defense, when Wilfork was a force at NT he designed a complicated defensive hybrid front with half one gapping and half two gapping, he constantly hides his DB and LBs deficiencies in coverage to make sure they’re rarely assigned to do something they can’t do. Contrast that with our policy of having Patrick Chung cover Dez Bryant one on one on a key third down or having Bradley fletcher play press man against elite WRs with no safety help as he continues to get smoked all game long.
Totally agree. Plus, let’s not forget: one game, Brady throws 50 times, next game, he throws 20 times and they rush for 200 Yards. They are so flexible in their approach, they only look at their opponents and where their weaknesses are.
He is a master and the best there is, but we have a good one, too. On Offense.
btw.: Can you imagine a team where Belichick coaches Defense and Kelly Offense? Holy hell, I have no idea how you could stop that team, if the talent is only halfway decent. They will beat you with Patrick Chung and Riley Cooper, because, you know, because they can.
Yea…seriously…you could pencil that team in for the next 10 Super Bowls without being the least bit presumptuous.
I love the way our front seven has played and the majority of our young players have made significant strides. Billy deserves some credit for that without a doubt. I think Billy does a great job attacking blocking schemes with fake pressure and freeing up other players to rush the QB either one on one or untouched without bringing the house. That’s a really valuable skill he brings to the table.
However, I can’t get some of his truly head scratching decisions out of my head. This is also the guy that tried to tell us taking Trent Cole/Brandon Graham off the field on third and long and inserting our 5’9″ 190 pound CB in at ROLB to rush the QB against a LT was a great move because he liked the match up it provided. Really? I wish most teams would take their best pass rushers off the field on 3rd and long while simultaneously wasting their best DB as a rusher against a LT that can easily neutralize him with no help whatsoever. That’s genius! Listening to him explain how Boykin was too small to play outside CB, but just the right size to play outside rush LB/DE against a 330 pound left tackle was simply stunning!
In the NFC East championship game against the Cowboys I remember the moment Dez trotted out to the slot and we stayed in base defense and had Chung lined up in man coverage with a 10 yard cushion. I turned to the people next to me and said easy first down, Dez might even score here. If I could see that from the bar, on TV while I was 10 yeunglings deep, it’s truly stunning that Davis either didn’t see it or didn’t have an answer for it when he did. We almost lost that game because of that. Watching Fletcher get repeatedly smoked in press man against elite WRs because he truly didn’t have the physical skills to handle that assignment and then hearing Davis defend his lack of adjustments by saying Bradley was just in a slump that he needed to work himself out of, made me want to punch myself in the dick. Like he was just going to suddenly get faster and stronger. Let’s give him a chance to work his way out of this slump with the season on the line. Ugh. Until Billy cleans up these glaring issues with his coverage schemes I’ll always be skeptical of him.
Good analysis. Let’s hope the new DB coach will help him with the coverage schemes. One can hope…
Replacing revis with fletcher? cmon.
Can’t imagine Fletcher starts. That would be a lot to ask, even for a schemer like Belichick.
Probably helps that Brady is the only QB in that whole division.
with good safety play he could be serviceable. Just have the safety yell at him to turn around
Well – the Pats might have a little better safety help than we gave last year and their front 7 is not so bad either.
They had Patrick Chung as a safety…
secondary has always been a big issue, it’s only when they had 3 top 15 dbs in the league did they stop sucking. it’s going to be clear that revis is gone.
Chung played pretty damn good last year. Made that show string tackle on Lynch to save the super bowl. I’m sure McCourty, Revis, and Browner helped him though. Lol, wonder if he is pissed he is playing behind Fletcher again.
Bradley Fletcher – Pro Bowl bound! Why: because Bellicheat will teach him to turn his head…
Heck, Belichick had WR Troy Brown playing great dime CB.
Edelman was an emergency CB, too, back in the days when he was a nobody.
Yup. He got a good amount of playing time while making some decent plays.
I am pretty sure he could turn Matt Barkley into a Pro Bowl Punter too..
Mr. Hardy:
Domestic violence crimes are punishable in Texas as follows:
Class A misdemeanor – up to one year in jail or a fine up to $4,000, or both
3rd degree felony – from 2 to 10 years in prison and a fine up to $10,000
2nd degree felony – from 2 to 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000, and
1st degree felony — from 5 to 99 years in prison and a fine up to $10,000.
In Florida, he could just “stand his ground” against his girlfriend.
was going to say something similar about Texas. If you are in your house you can pretty much get away with anything and call it self defense. They have to prove it wasnt self defense. Just ask Robert Durst.
Not without a gun he can’t!!!
You’re right, of course. Weighing 150 pounds more isn’t enough, he needs a gun in his hand, too,
I believe he had a pile of guns that he threw his girlfriend on top of.
she had ample means to protect herself. Wonder what her walk away figure was.
Unless you are a woman. Then they put you in jail for attempted murder for firing a warning shot to scare off your abusive ex-husband who you have a restraining order against.
With the loss of Fletcher, I wonder if it improves our chances of getting a comp pick. He did play a lot last year.
I might be wrong but the comp picks are based off of the players you lose AND more specifically the amount of money they sign for with their new teams minus the players you sign and the amount you sign them for. We lost Maclin, Allen and Fletcher in FA. All the other losses were either cuts, trades or nobodies like Casey Matthews. Maclin got $11mil per, Nate got $5 mil and Fletcher will probably get at most $5. We then signed Maxwell to $10 per year, Thurmond for whatever it was $3-4 per, Murray for $8mil per, Matthews for $4-5mil per year and that ILB for another mil or so per year. And, we still might sign another player at S, G or even WR. Most likely the net effect is we get nothing for comp picks.
We’re not going to get any comp picks. No high ones in the very least. The players you sign cancel out the players you lose. And we signed a lot.
We’ve signed 4 unrestricted free agents(Maxwell, Thurmond, Murray, Mathews). We’ve lost 3 – Maclin, Allen, and Bradford. We’d have to not sign any more UFAs and have both Brad Smith and Casey Matthews sign with other teams to have lost more FAs than we signed and qualify for a comp pick. There are some instances where a team can still get a comp pick even if they sign the same number of players that they lose but that is when the guys they’ve signed are to substantially less valuable contracts than the guys they lost. That wouldn’t happen in our case.
“We’ve lost 3 – Maclin, Allen, and Bradford”
You mean Fletcher?
Comp picks would be determined by last years FA. But we still won’t.
surprised there’s no buzz for crabtee and nicks.
oh yeah, crabtree. maybe he wants too much money. Hey, he has injury history, came off Achilles, bring him in. Not the best attitude.
Chip is at Michigan State’s pro day.
who are the top prospects?
Everyone from Oregon.
I’m assuming Trae Waynes (CB top 15 prospect), kurtis Drummond (Safety Mid round prospect), and Taiwan jones (ILB late round prospect)
Tony Lippett WR/CB
another Taiwan Jones?
Jeremy Langford, RB
Trade Barkley and sign Tebow? If I were the Redskins, Giants, or Cowboys, I would do everything I can to make that a reality.
Tebow, no Tebow – whatever. If CK wants him he must think he is worth it. I’m sure we all know better than Chip, or at least all of you do.
Relax. You take yourself too seriously. As Tommy already pointed out, the trade is irrelevant. Chip can have Tebow if he wants him. I do not really think those teams will do everything they can to make this a reality.
Fine, they can have Barkley for their 1st round pick.
Or maybe just a 6th and note that says “sike, not signing Tebow.” 🙂
Not sure I agree. Barkley is an irrelevance, while Tebow could at least be useful for gadget plays and goalline deals–theoretically. Not so sure what the point is of carrying around a 3rd QB who adds _nothing_ to the equation.
most 2nd qbs add nothing to the equation.
…was being facetious. But the media circus (and therefore distraction) that follows Tebow is the reason the rest of the NFC East would like him on the Eagles, not because of any on-the-field talent difference.
No harm, no foul talking to someone. I just don’t see what kind of value Kelly would get talking to Johnson except largely from a historical perspective.
Lurie went really hard after Johnson too after he first acquired the team. Still remember watching the Great Sports Debate on the long defunct PRISM where Sal Pal (mid-April ’94) had said Johnson claimed Lurie had offered him the coach/GM job with the Eagles only to get turned down by Johnson.
It seemed like crazy BS at the time but the biggest reason Johnson didn’t sign here was because of the weather & inability to go boating frequently. Turned out to be true in large part because Johnson took the job with the Dolphins in ’95 where he got complete control.
Certainly a fascinating ‘What If’ Johnson had taken over the Eagles job in ’95 instead of the inept Rhodes and what he would have done with that roster which was very much in transition from the last of the Ryan-era holdovers.
good thing chip doesn’t boat or fish or do anything other then football all day!
After a couple of Super Bowl rings, I’m sure he’ll take up all sort of sitting around doing nothing activities.
Could be. from lancasteronline.com: “Noll stressed proper priorities — faith, family and football. In that order. He believed that***t pro football was a stepping stone to one’s life’s work.*** His life included so much more than football. He was well versed on a multitude of subjects, and if he weren’t, he’d read several books on the subject and become so. He was a wine connoisseur, gourmet cook, licensed pilot (Rocky Bleier said, “Chuck’s so confident, he bought a plane before he took a flying lesson.”), scuba diver and lover of classical music (he once conducted the Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra).”
you need to get someone else’s biography Chuck Noll isn’t the answer to every Jeopardy question
https://twitter.com/NBCdianna/status/578262349443919872
Ok JP you have a knee to protect, I trust you
Wow – this chick breaking all the stories, does this mean Tebow is for real?
Also, that sucks.
Let’s see when it’s announced. For ever “story” she’s gotten right, she has several she’s gottten wrong
On the other hand, the national reporters are saying that the Buccs have lost interest. It’s not exactly the biggest surprise of FA so far that the Cowboys will sign Hardy.
yeah if bucs losing interest makes me wonder what the $$ is.
Altough to be fair, they probably lost interest because of $$$. He wanted to visit them, too, so I think they heard about the ballpark Dallas is in and said no thanks.
I hope, at least. 😉
me too. if we see another romo restructuring i think we’ll have our answer.
You must not be married.
She wasn’t wrong, you misunderstood what she was saying.
Lol. Happily married. Guess when you always quote “sources” you are never wrong and they are.
https://twitter.com/nbcdianna/status/577527352261001218
isn’t that the way it should be?
but is it 80% likely?
Chick? Is this the barnyard? Are there steers and geldings here too?
Just wrong on many levels. Wrong this scum will be chasing around our QB around twice, wrong he even plays in this league while he has shown no regret that I’m aware of. I’m all for 2nd chances, I’d even give Rice a second chance, but you have to admit your mistake first. And you have to do penance. Then you’ve earned that 2nd chance.
And last but not least, Dallas will get a premium player for a discount. Let’s hope they at least have to pay him decent money so they will be missing money elsewhere.
So, I made three comments in this thread:
1. An observation about the reason Maclin left and the implications that has on the draft potential of a similar sized prospect in the draft.
2. A reworking of Hamlet’s soliloquy, extending the word play on Tobin’s name by D3FB to dreaming of prospects.
3. A feigned misunderstanding of a comment about jumping a woman.
The one relating to football got a single upvote. Shakespeare is tied with the sex pun. It is good to understand your audience.
Are we a tough one, like you stand ups like to say?
Did you receive constructive feedback on your comedy posts, at least?
https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/578271651877376000
I have a joke about what he could also rip apart but I won’t say it.
Fine. I was in the middle of typing mine, but if we are showing restraint, so be it.
Well now I already ruined the effect of my joke, but please by all means 🙂
The only good thing about Hardy signing with Dallas has to be: they can’t afford both.
Especially if there are enough teams that want AP and would trade for him, even at his cap hit. But even as FA – that just can’t work (I hope).
detroit? dallas obviously can’t if they sign hardy
yeah Id rather have Lane and JP block Hardy twice Next year then to have to shut down AP behind that OL twice next year
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really really hoping he ends up in the AFC… I think he would be a great fit for the Jets with the Top Defense I expect Todd Bowles to field…Top Ranked Defense, Elite Run game, Big WR like Marshall who can make life easier for a QB, Decker, Jace Amaro….all they need is a game manager and they can be much improved next year…
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I just dont want to see him end up in Dallas AND Arizona. i dont want pig face arians to have AP… please please please let the Vikings be smart enough to ship him to the AFC:
Chargers
Pats
Broncos
Jets
Dolphins (pronbably cant afford him)
Shame the Colts didnt go after him
RAVENS CUT BERNARD PIERCE FOR DUI, HELLO AP? can Ozzie Newsome even sign him after the child abuse case? The Ravens had 8 arrests in the past 13 months and are embarrassed enough to publicaly proclaim that they wont add those types of guys any more..
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.RB Ray Rice beat his wife, gone
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Didnt sign Forsett, Gone
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RB Bernard DUI last night, GONE
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Can they even have the audacity to replace THOSE RBs with a guy who will have to serve a suspension for Beating a child?
Forsett re-signed with the Ravens. For cheap. Very good deal for them. Only ?? is wheter he will play as good without Kubiaks zone run, but either way, great deal for the Ravens.
He does run with his legs, though.
last time I read or saw something like this, a week later Lane Johnson and Dion Jordan were suspended for performance enhancers
Immediately what came to my mind too. Won’t be surprised if he gets a “random” selection soon.
Barwin restructure or am i missing something?
Looks like it
Excellent, and probably some cap relief too
Next..Mufasa!
Doesn’t make sense IMO. Before they restructure Barwin’s contract and lessen his cap hit for this year(which will increase it in future years) they should re-work Ryans’ and Celek’s contracts. Almost seems like they’re trying to open up cap room for one specific player.
Almost seems like they’re trying to open up cap room for one specific player.
Tebowzzzzzzz
The one guy that I notice still being on the market and would make sense for the Eagles to make a play for is Stefen Wisniewski.
there’s gotta be an issue w/ him, he hasn’t been connected to anyone i don’t think,
He’s visited Seattle, Chicago, and Tampa Bay. I think teams are just not offering as much money as he wants. I’d guess he’ll probably end up signing a 1-year deal and trying the FA market again next year.
Can he play guard and center or just center?
Both.
They’re probably doing that with a bunch of contracts
Update: Apparently it doesn’t affect his cap hit this year. It just rewards him in the future.
Geoff Mosher
@GeoffMosherCSN
1m1 minute ago
Source says Barwin’s extension doesn’t lower his cap number in 2015, rewards Connor over the remainder of his contract.
My best guess is that the contract was originally written so next year was really an out year (which was never intended to be played under that contract) and they replaced it with an extension that they actually intend to honor.
Looking at his contract before this adjustment, that doesn’t seem to be the case. It is an out year in the sense that he doesn’t have any more guaranteed money and because his original SB was only $3M they wouldn’t have much dead money if they released him. However, his salaries are quite reasonable for his performance level: $6.4M this year, $6M next, $7M in 2017, and $8.5M in 2018(plus a $1M roster bonus). So there’s not really any incentive for us to release him. I could see with no more guaranteed money in his deal his agent, he and his agent asking to have it renegotiated. I don’t really see any reason for the Eagles to play along.
This eagles offseason offers a head scratcher one after another.
Class act guy. There were multiple reports this off season that they refused to pay a LB that is either questionable or not as good as him the same amount of money. Seems as though he hasn’t been to pleased with his contract but kept it solely between him, his agent, and the FO. He deserves the raise. It also sends a good message to players on the team.
underpaid if he continues the sack production, and generally being best LB on the team. But that’s the good part about buying low.
Hardy breakdown with Dallas…I guess this means they will workout something with Dez by final 53? I can’t imagine they would have the salary otherwise…
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/578287761989459968
This is a $2M deal dressed up as a $13M deal
Really depends on how many games he plays. If he is suspended 6 games then he should make around $8M.
Yeah, looking closer at it. But as far as cap: most of it goes on next year’s cap as NLTBE bonuses. So capwise it’s 2.6M this year
Don’t you dare telling me there’s still a chance for AP!!!
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/399/502/960.jpg
If they’re roster bonuses, the money should hit the cap as soon as it is required to be paid. So why right now that may be the hit, during the season that money will be charged to their cap. If he’s consistently playing, they’re going to have to make cuts or do in-season contract restructurings just to pay him.
If you’re not on the roster for games 1 and 2 they are treated as NLTBE
So basically they’re screwing themselves for 2016. Dumb credit card mentality.
nothing new about that for them. (On the other hand we’re starting to do some of that too)
Who are you referring to?
Right but there is this:
(xxiii) Any roster bonus which is deemed not “likely to be earned” based upon the player’s performance during the prior year shall immediately be included in Team Salary when earned. Preseason roster bonuses are automatically deemed “likely to be earned.”
So it sounds like two weeks will be LTBE (since Hardy was on the 53-man roster for two weeks in 2014), and the rest will be NLTBE. However, despite the fact they are NLTBE, they will start counting more against the 2015 cap as soon as Hardy plays his 3rd game, and up. So he will count as a 3.2 million cap hit over the summer, giving the Cowboys time to adjust their cap, but could count significantly more during the season. It also sounds like NLTBE bonuses also count against the current year’s cap if they are actually paid before the end of the season, so if they pay him weekly they will also count against the 2015 cap even though they were NLTBE.
But, the Cowboys could clear a bunch of cap space by waiting until June 1 to cut some guys (but that is another form of pushing big cap hits into 2016).
So “being on the 53 man roster” is “not likely to be earned” ? wow.
Because he was on the commissioner’s exempt list last season and wasn’t on the 53-man roster. For veterans, NLTBE(Not-Likely-to-be-Earned) and LTBE incentves are based on whether or not the player would have reached the incentives the year before. At the end of this season, the 2016 cap for each team will be adjusted by adding NLTBE incentives that the player actually achieved in 2015 and substracting LTBE incentives that the player didn’t achieve.
Ahhh, right. Thanks. So then his cap hit this year would be the salary (745K) plus the workout bonus (1.31 million) plus one game bonus (578K) since he would have earned that last year. And if he plays the last 15 games, he counts a boatload against their cap next year. Creative folks, those contract lawyers. Though they may get a small relief from that first game on next year’s cap if he’s suspended, since he wouldn’t earn the bonus and it was a LTBE.
ICDogg is saying there’s some weird rule about how roster bonuses are determined to be LTBE or NLTBE or not. I don’t want to give you bad info as most of my cap knowledge was learned pre-new CBA.
Weird rule, but if you’re not on the roster for the first two weeks, it shifts from LTBE to NLTBE
But that means up until week 2, he will have a cap hit for this year of 11 mill and then after week 2 it will fall by 9 mill?
I really cannot get behind the thinking of trading Kendricks for anything other than a huge Mariota deal. And I do not want to hear anything about we cannot extend Mychal. DeMeco, who is 31 (?), and on one leg, is making just under $7M. That sounds like his extension right there. If they honestly use that as an excuse I will be appalled. And to those bringing up Fletcher Cox: 1st round picks have 5th year options available guys. His option would be around $6M– seems like a no-brainer. I understand Chips whole risk-taking philosophy but im not getting the whole weaken a position to strengthen another. Mychal and KIko can be a formidable tandem for 7-10 years here. And don’t get me started on Bradford’s contract. We have no leverage now on that.
talking about trading Cox, Kendrick or Kiko is moronic at its finest to me..
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luckily I dont buy it at all, and find it to be complete bullshit, for one simple Reason:…….. VINNY CURRY… practical;ly a double digit sack guy playing 33% of snaps. Edge rusher has much more value then a LB like kendricks, it has more value then a CB like Boykin….. especially if we are trading with a 4-3 team, but so many hybrid schemes, that 90% of the teams would rush him off the edge on 3rd down no matter what they play….. I dont want to lose Curry at all, my favorite player… but him being out of position in our scheme means there is a pretty good chance we wont be able to pay him enough to sign an extension.. so if we are going to lose Curry next year (muchg easier to justify paying a 3 down LB like Kendricks to sign longterm) and he has as MUCH VALUE as a guy like Kendricks or Boykin, I ASSUME that if it were a REAL RUMOR we would be hearing Currys name linked in the deal….. Because his name isnt in the rumor it makes me assume its bullshit, started by someone outside of NFL front offices that dont acknowledge how valuable Curry is even tho he only plays a little bit for us…
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If I would have heard the same rumor but with Curry and Boykins as the names involved, two quality players with value who may be harder for us to justify paying then a guy like Kendricks, I would treat the rumor much difference,,,.
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but when I hear Kendricks name in it, I assume it was started by some fanboy, or dumb media dope who wants to connect the “obvious dots” that Meco is still on the roster, when I know that there isnt a coach in the NFL that will pencil in a 31yr old LB who tore his achilles in friggin November to start day one in september…. the ONLY reason Kendricks name has EVER been connected was because Meco is sti;ll on the roster….that tells me it was started by some fanboy media dope, and not a front office source
Beat writers are claiming that Barwin was given a raise so that he’d be paid more than Brandon Graham is being paid considering Barwin just made the Pro Bowl. That is a bad bad precedent to set. Basically if you sign any good FA in a market with increased cap room, then any good player you already have on the team is going to use this move as evidence why they should get a pay raise.
its the right thing to do. He out performed that deal on the field and in the locker room.. HE was a big part of whipping this gruop of defenders into a close knit unit after the historically gutless 2012 defense… small things that were important when we had so many new young eagles, like Making them all go out to dinner together on thursday nights, class act build comraderie, bought Fletcher Cox a dirt bike for his birthday for everything that Fletcher does dominating the trenches making life easier for the other 10 defenders…. The Deal we paid Barwin was a steal, forget what we paid BG, it was the right thing to do anyway….
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its a GREAT precedent to set. Outperform your contract ON THE FIELD and IN THE LOCKER ROOM and you will be rewarded…. if one of our young players grow to provide us with as much as Barwin does, they should get a raise too if they outperform the steal of the deal we got them on
I’m fine with upgrading his contract. I’m not fine with the implied cause-effect. Graham got a higher average, so we have to give Barwin a raise.
it kind of fits with what they told us two years ago. Past lessons learned, making sure better players who do more for you dont end up watching you pay lessor players more.. They told us that this is something they would believe in going forward because we believe this hurt us in the past… This is also a transition period, our players saw the Eagles cut longterm Eagle Cole, it got ugly, he left talking that NO RESPECT. We cut Herremans, Mathis might be on the way out… good gesture to make right now, show young players we wont just dispose of you, but we will also reward you for excellence on and off the field if you over achieve for us
Sucks but TBE. They just guaranteed his $$ that’s fair.
I wonder if the writers know for a fact that it was ego-driven, or if it was just a bonus for a great year.
From Tony Pauline:
Memphis
Joey Clinkscales of the Oakland Raiders, Philadelphia Eagles assistant
offensive line coach Greg Austin and reportedly Tampa Bay Buccaneers
defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier were on hand for the Memphis pro
day.
The Eagles worked out Al Bond, a college tackle who projects to guard.
The big lineman ran 5.33- and 5.40-second 40s that were faster than his
combine time. Bond is a terrific blocker who does not test well.
Is Bond big enough to accommodate a jersey number of 007?
He was shaken, not stirred, during a rigorous three cone drill workout.
In the first Bond movie, “Dr. No,” there’s no mention of shaken — just stirred. And it works great.
___________
WAITER:
– One medium-dry vodka martini,
mixed like you said, sir,
and not stirred.
– Anything else, sir?
BOND:
No, that’s all.
I heard a bartender explain that when you shake the martini with the ice, it breaks off the corners of the ice, which then pass through the strainer and melt into the drink. So, Bond was simply ordering a watered down drink.
In the Fleming books, Bond is rarely without a drink in his hand.
Which makes total sense out of what you’re saying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8oibBJTEpc
Finally did my first mock draft.
Round 2 Pick 4 (JAX): Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA (B+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon (A)
Round 2 Pick 29 (IND): Cody Prewitt, FS, Ole Miss (A)
Round 3 Pick 3 (JAX): Nelson Agholor, WR, Southern California (A)
Round 3 Pick 20: Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M (C+)
Round 3 Pick 29 (IND): Jordan Hicks, OLB, Texas (C)
Round 4 Pick 4 (JAX): Eric Rowe, CB/FS, Utah (D+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Andy Gallik, C, Boston College (C)
Round 5 Pick 9: Bryce Hager, ILB, Baylor (B-)
Round 5 Pick 20: Christian Covington, DT, Rice (B)
Round 6 Pick 20: Hayes Pullard, ILB, Southern California (D+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Brock Hekking, DE/OLB, Nevada (D-)
2nd one – I could do this all day.
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 31 (N.O.): Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA (B+)
Round 2 Pick 12 (N.O.): Jalen Collins, CB, LSU (A-)
Round 2 Pick 20: Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (B-)
Round 3 Pick 14 (N.O.): Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M (B+)
Round 3 Pick 20: Gerod Holliman, FS, Louisville (B+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Andy Gallik, C, Boston College (C)
Round 5 Pick 9: Christian Covington, DT, Rice (B-)
Round 5 Pick 20: Geneo Grissom, OLB, Oklahoma (A-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Joey Mbu, DT, Houston (D+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Damian Swann, CB, Georgia (D-)
Ogbuehi instead of a WR in the mid 3rd?
I’m not counting that the line staying young and healthy, so I wanted to go for some replacements this year. Plus, I wasn’t totally happy with the run on WR before my pick and there wasn’t anyone there that I wanted in that round.
Definitely need OL but it’s most likely a little too early to take a possible IR candidate especially given you took no WR and we have no depth there.
Ogubedhi is going to have to redshirt. He had surgery in mid January.
Wonder how pissed Chung is that he has Fletcher in front of him again.
Lol. Didn’t thought of that.
Belichick is a genius, but I don’t know if he isn’t overestimating Chungs skills. If you put him into the right position as box safety AND he has three Pro Bowl caliber DBs next to him, he obviously can get the job done.
Belichick can scheme defense like no other coach, but I don’t know if you can scheme around Fletcher and Chung. But if there’s one coach who maybe can get the job done, it’s BB, obviously.
i have never liked Chung since the Oregon days, and he was certainly horrible for us, but he played thru a jacked up shoulder for us most of the year, and i respect him for it.. This city was killing him, media, fans ripping him to shreas, and he never used it as an excuse, never made it public, gotta respect him for that…. I have alot more respect for him now then I did before he became an Eagle…cant say I miss him tho lol
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Cant figure out who was worse for us last year, Bradley or Nate? Bradley might have not turned around to see the ball a single time all year, but Nate is just terrible.. I respect the hell out of Dawkins for keeping it real and ripping Nate a new one late in the year. Dawkins has always been a class act, never liked to crap on other eagles, but i respect trhe heck out of him for keeping it real and honest about just how Horrible nate was. Dont know that i ever heard Dawk talk like that about an Eagle before. you can tell he is still an eagle at heart and years f pent up horrible safety play by his former team drove him crazy too, was cool to hear….
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NFL is a crazy place.. Look at all our DB whipping boys:
1) Chung, Superbowl champion, brand new contract
2) Cary Williams, new starting CB for the Legion of Boom, SB runner up
3) Bradley Fletcher, joining superbowl champ Patriots…
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4) Nate Friggin Allen got PAID!!!! i mean PAID!!!! how the hell does that happen? The craziest part of it is the Raiders could have signed Nate last year for 25% of what they paid this year… he hit the open market last year, was available for WEEKS, until his market was so non-exsistent that we ended up bringing him back for cheap….. its not like Maclin who had a monster year on a prove it deal so KC is paying him… Nate didnt have a season close to the value they are giving him… just watch the 4th Quarter of the arizonaq cardinals… who the hell on the raiders decided to give him that much? who the hell were they even bidding against? did Nate take any other visits? how the hell did that number ever get so high during the negotiations? Isnt he making more money then we paid Malcolm Jenkins?
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you cant even make the argument that its the Raider so they have to overpay… No you dont! you dont have to over pay for Nate if no one else wants him. I dont understand how this happened.. its one of the craziest contracts I have ever seen… A guy who was available last year and not a single franchise wanted him, has an average at best season, gets PAID, and the team wasnt even bidding against anyone…how the hell did that happen, and who the hell is Nate Allens agent? I want THAT dude negotiating any contract I ever sign, for the rest of my life… im baffled.. if the Raiders love Nate so bad, tell them to cut my boy Jonathon Dowling…
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so excited for our secondary this year, and we had to make some serious upgrades for me to be able to say that when we dont even have a safety
The Raiders appear to be following a variation on Hinkie. They overpay for middling free agents who they will cut in a heartbeat when they can draft his replacement. This allows them to be picky on draft day, getting quality cheap, AND it allows them to go high in the draft because they aren’t going anywhere for a while. At the rate they’re going, tanking for another two or three seasons should put them in contention for their division.
The raiders based the contract purely on PFF ratings. Somehow he graded out to being a good safety according to them. Lol it’s the only thing that makes sense.
Michael Crabtree meeting with Dolphins, Denarius Moore meeting with Jets
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Eagles QB coach took Bryce Petty to dinner tues night.
I can’t remember who, but someone tweeted after they traded for Bradford that Bradford/Sanchez/Petty would be the QBs on the Eagles roster going into the season.
He said he had called the Eagles picking up Bradford last month.
“He said he had called the Eagles picking up Bradford last month.”
OK, this guy is either a troll or he has the best sources in the world. NO ONE saw Bradford/Foles trade coming.
Other than that, I could life with Petty. But only if they trade back for him (to, let’s say, 26-28). Not only because, well, 20 would be a bit high for him, but also because you need another Day 2 pick if you go QB in the 1st. We need 2 Guards (one early, one is possible in the later rounds), 2 WRs (one early, one is possible in the later rounds) and a Safety (early!!).
Imho, you can’t just fill those holes with Day 3 picks.
I agree, but everyone likes to be the one that’s “in the know” to get more followers. We agree on needs, and I think if they get a T that can play G until Peters retires, it’s going to be good in the long run. I’d like to get both OL, a QB, and S in the 1st 3 rounds. If we could add another pick, then maybe we could grab a WR too. I really think CK needs to trade back.
I liked both my mocks below because I thought I was able to address the areas of need, and at the same time add depth in the top part of the draft.
The 2nd mock I thought I got great value from NO in the trade, so I took it. Granted, lots of players came off the board in the 2nd that I wanted between then and the 3rd, but still felt I got some value.
That would be disgusting I don’t want any QB in the first at all
What if he turned out to be great?
then we should have signed sanchez and Targeted him instead of paying a second round pick for Bradford
He has issues with his throwing motion and he’s more a one read QB. He is a developmental QB to me. Scary higher than 4th round. I don’t care how weak the depth is in the draft.
You don’t get the best pure thrower (per Jon Gruden) in this class in the 4th. He’s raw for sure. Doesn’t mean that a talented QB with a good work ethic won’t go (at the end of the) 1st round.
I have zero interest in taking a raw QB high.
best pure thrower? that’s silly. i don’t even know what that means. he’s looked horrible throwing the ball at times.
Gruden’s fast approaching the “John Madden as a caricature-of-himself” level.
Really liked Madden when he quit coaching — and for the next 7-8 years. But eventually, he wasn’t that guy anymore. Too much camp, too much schlock.
That’s Gruden . . . who’s never seen a player he doesn’t love. (He moved at hyper-speed to camp-schlock.)
yeah i guess his job is to yeast up prospects. Pitty the QB who Gruden tells “doesn’t have it” — would probably be a career breaker.
That means pure arm talent. Gruden likes almost all QBs, so I don’t care when he says “I like this kid a lot”. But when he compares the QBs, it’s a different story. He says, indirectly, that Mariota, Winston and Hundley aren’t as good at throwing the ball as Petty is. And I kind of trust his opinion.
i dont know anyone who saw Bradford coming…. but hindsite we should have at least considered him but none of us did…. but now it kind of makes sense that chip would be high on him…. i sure as hell didnt see it coming…
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as for Petty, few months ago i was told “keep your eye on Petty” who i dont really even care for, then again its pretty rare that I like any QB prospects… full disclosure, back when I heard to watch Petty, Eagles draft boards werent even set yet,there was still a ton of the draft process to unfold so I didnt take it as anything concrete that we should expect… more then likely someone was high on the kid… but im sure opinions we had lik 3 months ago will have changed as the process unfolds and they gather more and more info, atleast some opinions change….. doubt we knew our big board 3 months ago….
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i havent watched any film on Petty. I saw him play live plenty, but that is no substitute for watching Film, so i dont have an opinion on Petty either way…. If he can be had much later then Mariota and Hundley, then I like him lol….i like the QB prospects that cost us the latest draft pick,.,,A nice undrafted QB would do me just fine
Nooooooooo Petty over Hundley?
Also must be GEAGLE, he’s got all the sources.
qb is the most important position on the field.
so I guess we will have as many as possible
Bradford/sanchez/tebow/barkley/petty
looks tough to beat
too bad there is only one ball.. can chip do something about this?
Rationally why wouldn’t you — especially the way CK runs his practices — great for developing QBs. Good ones turn into picks…
Day is going to have a one-on-one with every QB in the draft, or close to.
If it were Stoutland who took him to dinner we might looking at our new starting ILB.
I think there’s incentive for Bradford to redo his contract. The biggest one being, if he’s successful in Kelly’s offense, why would he want to leave? Sanchez re-signed to be a backup because he had success here.
We hear players talk about how glad they are when they are traded to a team that wants them. I’m sure Bradford appreciates that Kelly wants him to be his quarterback.
See Jeremy Maclin
I’m sure he does appreciate Kelly wanting him. But you know what Bradford and 99,9 % of the players even more appreciate? $$$
And rightfully so.
Also i think Sanchez was told he could compete to start (look at how his contract is structured).
Re: Barwins extension
I’m all for rewarding players and all of that, but there has to be something in it for the team, has it?
He had a very very team friendly contract. I’m sure they gave him guar., which is ok because you don’t want to cut him anyway and to reward him. As a team, just make sure you are protected in case of a ACL or another big injury. Making a team friendly contract player friendly would be stupid.
But: Barwin has to give the team something, right? Despite high character and all that, like it’s always the case, both parties must win with a deal.
Any ideas what Barwin is giving the Eagles? Maybe a lower cap hit in ’16, ’17 and ’18 for more guar. now (with the same cap hit as previously in ’15)?
The NFL is crazy — makes me hate that I love football sometimes.
The NFL previously asked nicely to get access to the court file in the now-dismissed Greg Hardy criminal case. The NFL has now asked not quite as nicely. According to WBTV.com, the NFL has sued the North Carolina Attorney General and the Mecklenburg County District Attorney in an effort to get the file.
Good thing is they’re grasping at any straw to keep Hardy off the field, i almost feel bad for him. It’s silly that Goodell’s poor judgement has led to this.
feel bad for him? im disgusted he is allowed to play… Did you read the transcript of the victim testimony? he was boderline EVIL, just Disgusting,… piece of crap terrorized that woman, was found guilty. appealed, paid her off, and now the Panthers practically have no choice but to cut him, but the dirty scum Cowboys are waiting to take advantage and get one of the top 20 defensive players in the NFL for cheap… what a disgrace… Atleast lets stop kidding ourselves, being hyprocrites and let the PANTHERS keep him without treating the panthers like they are the criminals… if you are going to let him play, and let some franchise get a top 20 player for cheap, might as well not be complete hypocrites and a complete Joke and just let the Panthers keep him. they developed him, they paid him 13mil and got NOTHING out of him last year, if anythinbg tHe Panthers are really the only party being punished out of this entire deal… we should atleast not make a mockery of these issues, force the panthers to cut him and lose a top player and not say a word when the next team signs him…..thats like the mnost hypocritical crap I ever heard and is a spit in the face to the real issue
if they got what this dude did on video, we would be treating this 5 times worse then what disgusting poor excuse for a man Ray Rice did…… and Im just keeping it real, no bias… if Im being honest THE KRAKEN is one of my favorite players to watch…. but he is disgusting
people should have a right to work. Even if he served 5 years and came back there shouldn’t be an impediment by the NFL to him working (see Vick). I think it’s wrong to dig all into the court files, etc. looking for a reason to suspend him.
You give the guy a whole year on the exempt list, why not make him do some rehabilitative or retributive actions (like AP) during that period before he can get reinstated? Develop a DV training program that players have to pay for on their own dime, force them to donate game checks, etc.
Further, the case has been resolved, he paid her, it sounded like she didn’t want to testify regardless, why should that affect whether not he can get a job?
He can do way more good w/ the $13m he makes annually than he can being another out of work dude on the street with a lot of guns, a situation that undoubtedly leads to higher recidivism rates.
didnt he steal 13mil from the Panthers last year? I have a problem with basically the Panthers are the only party thats being punished from this situation…
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im not so pissed or against him playing right now… if you set his punishment at 6 games, and he sat out 6 games its not Hardys fault that they are incompetant greedy scumbags running the NFL…. What Im Mad about is if we are going to let this scumbag play, fine….but lets cut the crap, lets stop pretending to care and kid ourselves by practically forcing the Panthers to have to cut him, and just let the next team profit off “giving him a second chance”.,..we all know that if the Panthers announced they are keeping him and will give him a second chance, their would be so much public outcry ripping the panthers, pressuring them into getting rid of him, yet we then let the next team “give him a second chance”, get him way cheaper, and the public doesnt have a problem with that…. its the biggest joke.,..makes a mockery of the issues..
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Panthers gave him 13mil and got NOTHING out of him, yet they had to deal with the bad press, 13mil les that they could have spent on their roster, and then we practically force them to let some other team have him at like a fraction of the cost…. what a bunch of bullshit! if we REALLY DONT GIVE A SHIT, and will let these guys have second chances, STOP PUNISHING THE FRANCHISES…. should be a new rule, that if a scumbag serves his suspension and is given a “second chance” it needs to be with the team that he betrayed and the team mates he let down with his scumbag behavior… it has now become almost a system, like its a rule to follow.. your guy gets arrested, you have to cut him, and someone else gets to give him a second chance for a fraction of what you were paying, its the biggest mockery, and joke of the NFL…. its like making a mockery of rehab, get in trouble, say you are sorry, check into rehab, come out a week later waiting for a second chance…. we need to stop lying to ourselves and that piece of shit Jerry Jones is the last person who should get to profit off this
That’s why it’s sometimes good to be an owner that doesn’t give a *** about what other people think.
I wouldn’t call that stealng ## Hardy would have earned if he could have. Agreed player purgatory isn’t the answer.
if the panthers paid 13mil for someone so heinous that the league didnt let him play, then it seems to me that the Panthers ARE the ONLY ones who were punished, and thats BULLSHIT and makes a mockery of the situation…If you are going to let Hardy steal money and provide a franchise with nothing, you cant punish the franchise MORE, so you should give the Panthers a 13mil cap credit to spend….. you cant have Panthers pay him 13mil, get nothing for your money, lose that 13mil you could be spending strengthening another position, and if thats not enough we basically force these teams to cut the players and let someone else give them a second chance…. so I see the Panthers being punished way too much, and more then Hardy, and thats BULLSHIT… so aat the very least, the Panthers should be given extra 13mil that they can spend on Bolstering their roster….. we only forcing them to hand over one of their best 3 players to Jerry Jones for A FRACTION OF THE COST…
I agree they way panthers were made to handle it was silly. Agree w/ getting cap back or some type of comp pick or something. though obviously that would never happen.
hopefully one of these franchisesw get the balls to tell the public to kiss their ass and mind their own business and reuse to cut their talented player. If some other team is going to be allowed to give him a second chance, then the publics outcry is a farse anyway..might as well take the 2-3 days of bad publicity, keep your player, and in a week the public wont care anymore…. i hate the niners, but a least Baalke had the balls to take part in this Farce and he decided to keep Aldon Smith… good for him. If the public outcry is hypocritical farce to begin with he might as well keep his quality players knowing that all you really have to do is weather a two or 3 day storm of bad publicity and then the public will no longer even care
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and if you are on a 1yr deal or expiring contract and you get suspended for the atleast 3/4th of the year, you shouldnt be allowed to steal money and then become a free agent. if you aree a scumbag who lets his team, down getting suspended during trhe last year of your contract, your contract should automatically extend a year so at least the Panthers can try to trade him instead of letting a scumbag Jerry Jones pick up a top 20 defender for dirt cheap
Hmm, he does have the right to work. But the NFL also has the right to bar people who don’t reach its standards.
True (though not sure how it works under the CBA since the NFL isn’t the employer). But if you’re going to keep him out just ban him and let him sue instead of holding him hostage.
Did you see the pictures afterwards? She didn’t have a mark on her. How did he choke her? Smash her arm in a toilet bowl without leaving a mark. Her story has been falling apart for months. The entire City of Charlotte has been glued to this story. I’ve read/talked a ton about it in the Observer and with co-workers.
Add in the fact that her story repeatedly changed, this was far from a slam dunk. Do you really think his attorney is so dumb that they wouldn’t go to a court that required “beyond a reasonable doubt” if they thought this had a chance of being a guilty verdict? It went to a judge who basically condemned Hardy before it even got infront of her. The verdict came in, Hardy appealed to go before a jury, as is his right, and at that point she became uncooperative. Long before the settlement money came in.
He’s been punished, as has AP, by going on exempt list. He’s lost a ton of money on FA market in the process and this will haunt him forever, rightly so or not.
I wish it went to a jury, where everything could be out in the open and we wouldn’t need to have this discussion.
you realize he was convicted with a Guilty verdict right? if he would have been convicted again, then what? he apeals again and we let him play until the supreme court gets around to ruling on it?….. need to put rules in place, a guidline for how they are going to deal with situations were a guy is found guilty but wants to appeal…not just for the player in question, but we need rules in place for how to govern these situations, because by now we should know that we cant trust the scumbag Goodell to rule on an individual case by case basis… without the rules in place for how these situations will be handled, Goodell can do whatever he wants, and we wont be able to hold him accountable next time he gives an owner he likes a break and gives one of his players a lessor punishment…
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Im sure that the big Bad Kraken is letting some girl extort him, paying her to keep quiet for something he didnt do. Poor persecuted Greg Hardy, If thats the case, then put his money where his mouth is and sue the ALLEGED “Victim”(is that better?) like Ray McDonald is doing, since he is so falsly persecuted. poor guy
Just as an aside . . .
In the past 15 years, 258 individuals on death row were set free because they were fortunate enough that (i) the real killer left DNA evidence behind, (ii) their DNA did not match the killer’s, and (iii) lawyers were willing to work pro bono to get their cases heard.
These 258 innocent men end up on death row because a jury believed a witness’s uncorroborated testimony.
Those witnesses would be good-meaning but mistaken ID witnesses. Lying cooperators. And shaken victims.
The common denominator is their testimony was uncorroborated — no audio or video-tape and no forensic evidence to confirm.
I can’t imagine what it’s like to be one of the hundreds (thousands?) of innocent men who’ve awaited execution knowing there’s no DNA evidence to save them.
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I have no idea what Hardy’s deal is. Not defending him.
Just saying that uncorroborated evidence can be life-threatening.
Good thing is Hardy is rich enough that he can get the Bob Durst treatment. (Is that a bad joke?)
I trust you provide your clients with the “cadillac” service instead of the “used car service”; the justice system in america is due for a major overhaul.
Spent 10+ years representing a physician indicted for medicare fraud based on the word of his ex-office manager (who handled the billing, by the way).
Finally, the judge dismissed the charges prior to trial.
10+ years.
Amazing, I couldn’t ever be a litigator, deals are much better.
Alex Smith- $17 million
Jay Cutler- $18.2 million
Andy Dalton- $16 million
15 QBs in the NFL make more than $15 million a year. 15 QBs that doesn’t include Tom Brady ($11.3 million) and the following guys on rookie contracts: Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Teddy Bridgewater, Ryan Tannehill, Blake Bortles, Nick Foles, and Derek Carr.
15 starting QBs that make at least $15 million a year, 7 starting QBs that are still on rookie contracts, Tom Brady, and Sam Bradford.
So as long as Bradford doesn’t go through some major injury and has at least a mediocre season, it’s safe to say that he’ll make at least $16 million a year on the open market. He’d be a fool to restructure this year for anything less unless he himself isn’t confident in his ability to stay healthy.
So paying Bradford big money is inevitable. Just hope that he has a great season or that the Eagles have some rookie to fall back on.
The Broncos drafted Brock Osweiler in the 2nd round a few months after they had signed Peyton Manning.
The Packers drafted Bryan Brohm in the 2nd round the year they traded Brett Favre and declared Rodgers the starter.
The 49ers drafted Colin Kaepernick in the 2nd round following Alex Smith’s good postseason.
I think it’s very possible that the Eagles will spend a 2nd round pick on Hundley or Petty if they are available.
The big difference is we just re-signed Sanchez and gave up a 2nd next year for Bradford.
Peyton was a FA and rodgers had been drafted years before. Kaep was hand picked by a new coach that inherited Smith. Bradford was targeted by chip.
I think we have too many holes to spend an early pick on a QB this year. If Bradford doesnt work out we let him walk, draft a QB next year who will compete with Sanchez.
Anything to keep Tebow away from this team.
Actually Kaepernick was drafted following the 49ers going 6-10, Alex Smith had only played in 22 games over the previous 3 years and in the season prior to drafting Kaep, Smith completed <60% of his passes and had a TD-INT of 14-10.
very interesting.
Looks like all the Eagles did with Barwin’s contract is guarantee his full salary this year and $3M of his salary next year. No pay raises. I’m totally fine with that. We’re not going to cut him anyway. Might as well toss him a bone.
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Eagles reworked deal w/Connor Barwin guaranteed his ’15 salary ($6.4M) plus
$3M of ’16 salary. Nice reward. Been a great signing for them
I agree. That is great for morale and is very low risk. Great move.
Looking for BELICHICK . . .
When scouts prepare evaluations QBs, have they — besides watching in person over the player’s college career — go back to films from prior seasons?
The point being to see who’s continued to progress versus who’s maybe plateaued.
So much projection goes into just about every player (save the handful of super-athletes like LT, Reggie White, Suh, Munoz, Ogden, Pace).
Do scouts want to see growth in the a players game every year?
he was on last night saying that he’s doing that very thing for Molk (started w/ college tape, looking at pro tape). Gotta think good scouts would do the same, especially for QBs. The problem is when you think you can change someone (or tease out traits that are displayed in flashes), rarely works in relationships or football.
Thanks, “A”.
That helps.
Just seems like some athletes peek in grade school, some in HS, some in college.
Seems like it’d be good to know who’re the guys who just kept getting better in college.
Tobin not Molk
growth rate is one of the most important aspects of scouting young talent… heck they still use growth rate when cnsidering who they will sign in free agency coming off their rookie deal
Yes. Quarterbacks are the one position that I think it’s important to establish a baseline of how they have progressed. I did this with Hundley and it’s the reason I feel comfortable in my projection. The claims that he didn’t get any better during his career are bullshit. He made improvements each year especially in regards to his accuracy and decision making.
RE: Hard to Judge a GM
In two out of three drafts, the GM for this one particular team had the following rate of success in Rds 1-7:
– 1 starter (Rd 1 pick)
– both years’ 2nd and 3rd Rd and 4th Rd picks CUT out of training camp,
– other 1st Rd pick gone after one season,
– One 5th Rd pick who lasted two seasons
– two 7th Rd picks who lasted one season each
Very, very ugly. [ This is not Kotite, by the way.]
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The GM? A guy named Dick Haley.
Steelers fans remember him well . . .
He selected 9 HOFers in 6 drafts (over a six-year period).
But he missed on a whole bunch, too.
Gotta give your GM time.
Is he the GM who convinced Noll to draft Swann right away because Stallworth would still be available in a later round?
wonder if Mynowitz has any interest in exploring a Dee Milner trade with the Jets?
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when you pay for Revis, Cromartie and Buster Skrine, I asume you will listen to offers for Milner who is coming off injury (Fits perfectly with us right?)
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I despised Millner in the n2013 draf. Some of that is me hating Alabama DBs that havent backpeddled since Highschool, and some of my hate stems for the months and moths of hearing fans Mock him to the Eagles at #4 when I knew in my bones that he wouldnt be the 4th pick in the draft…..He has been a bust so far, and he know is coming back from serious injury, while his team dumped a ton of assets into his position. depending on the price Tag, I could see the value in taking a flier on him…Just because I hate him at #4, doesnt mean he cant be a good value addition Flier for the right price…. I also like that now some time has passed since he was playing the game using that dumb crabwalk technique. He now has had some time under his belt in NFL/Practice backpedling while playing the position. Maynowitz and Stoutland will know the inside scoop on Millner. Talented kid with some physical tools but they will know his character, practice habits, how much he puts into film study…. Jets dumped a ton of assets into the CB position. If they want to get some value back in return for Dee, Id potentially be interested if the price is right… Give them something like Mathis and Boykin lol… or Mathis or Boykin, a 4th and a 4th next year…….i wouldnt give up much for him, but if there is a way to get him at good value, I wouldnt hate taking a flier on him. he hasnt reached true morris claiborne bust status yet
not at $2m/yr, we just don’t have the cap space i don’t think.
9th pick in the draft only makes 2mil per year? that cant be right can itt? assumed it was at least like 3.5 for a top 10 pick, no?
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i dont think we are done seeing the Eagles free up money. If there is someone we want to sign, im sure we can slash 2mil of Mecos price Tag, a mil off of Celek…. we can figure it out… I just have no idea how we will grade Millner, and if they would trade him for value that reflects the grade we have on him,… inside info Marynowitz could have could be a turnoff… maybe he is lazy.. i dunno.. ut he could be a young talent that can be had in a trade….
it might be more…but eagles only have $7.5m.
That said I think Chip would agree w/ you about trading picks for players, especially ones on their rookie deals coming off of injury.