Smart Move

Posted: March 18th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 265 Comments »

The Eagles have lost some really good people this offseason. Trent Cole, Todd Herremans and Jeremy Maclin were good players and team leaders. They were the kind of guys you want to build the team around. The Eagles decided to go with younger options over Cole and Herremans. Maclin simply cost too much.

Today the Eagles rewarded OLB Connor Barwin by restructuring his deal and giving him a raise.

This was a smart move. The Eagles have made quite a few changes. You have to be careful about rewarding too many outsiders when free agency rolls around. Current Eagles can get frustrated when they see friends leave and outsiders coming in, generally with big bank accounts.

While Barwin wasn’t drafted by the Eagles, he is a very popular and well-respected player. He has become a key piece for Chip Kelly, both in the locker room and on the field. This is a guy you want to reward. The Eagles are rewarding DeMeco Ryans, another key leader, by keeping him around. Jason Kelce is a key leader on offense. He got a new deal just over a year ago.

You can’t keep everybody. You can’t pay all 53 players as much as you want. The coach and GM have to carefully select the players to give good money to. Sometimes it will be a veteran from another team who fills a desperate need (Byron Maxwell), while other times it will be rewarding a key leader like Barwin who is already on the team.

Chip Kelly wants the right kind of culture and that means finding the right kind of guys. Barwin is just about the ideal Kelly player so rewarding him makes a lot of sense.

I’m assuming Barwin’s first purchase with his new money will be a case of PBR.

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Stopping by the NovaCare Complex: former #Eagles DT @csime90. Great to see the big fella! pic.twitter.com/OBbvypSt1E
— Dave Spadaro (@davespadaro) March 18, 2015

A lot of mixed feelings seeing this pic. Corey Simon was a terrific DT from 2000-2003. He became a bit more erratic in 2004. The Eagles tried working out an extension with him, but nothing happened. Simon wanted elite DT money. Eventually the Eagles worked out a trade with the Ravens. All Simon had to do was sign a deal with them. Didn’t happen. The Eagles eventually pulled the franchise tag off Simon and he went to the Colts. Simon played there for one year and was largely ineffective. He had some strange weight problems that ended his career prematurely.

Simon sacked Troy Aikman on the very first snap of his NFL career. That was a great moment. He had times when he looked like a special player, but never became the updated version of Jerome Brown that we all dreamed of.

The Eagles won a lot of games with Simon, but I’ll never forgive him for costing the Eagles high picks in the Ravens deal.

Simon had a nasty parting with the Eagles so it is interesting that he returned to the NovaCare for a visit. Time heals all wounds.

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I still don’t know what the Eagles are going to do at WR. PFT had an item yesterday that some veteran free agent receivers aren’t getting many offers.

Michael Crabtree is visiting the Dolphins today. Reportedly SD showed some interest last week. I wondered if the Eagles would have any interest, but it sure doesn’t seem so.

Hakeem Nicks and Reggie Wayne haven’t gotten a sniff so far. Denarius Moore is talking to the Jets. Dwayne Bowe and Greg Jennings are still on the market.

If the Eagles can get the right guy at the right price, they might go for a veteran. They aren’t going to overpay for any of these guys. You would think these players would be interested in a 1-year “prove it” deal seeing as how DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin both had career years.

The Eagles may prefer to try and draft a WR. If that doesn’t work out, there will be some veterans available after the draft. There isn’t a rush to get anyone signed. It doesn’t seem like the team is all that high on any of these guys.

265 Comments on “Smart Move”

1 Greg Richards said at 7:50 PM on March 18th, 2015:
Doesn’t sound like they gave him a raise, just guaranteed some of the salary he was already scheduled for.
Jason La Canfora
‏@JasonLaCanfora
5m5 minutes ago
Eagles reworked deal w/Connor Barwin guaranteed his ’15 salary ($6.4M) plus
$3M of ’16 salary. Nice reward. Been a great signing for them
2 Chiptomylou said at 8:31 AM on March 19th, 2015:
He’s still getting bigger piece of his contracted salary sooner than expected. That is kind of a nice gesture for his efforts.
3 teltschikfakeout88 said at 8:02 PM on March 18th, 2015:
looks like we are taking our time in FA with a WR….I am puzzled by safety though…there aren’t many good prospects in the top 100…looks like we may take a flyer on a late round S which is fine….No word on the Evan Mathis trade….
4 Media Mike said at 5:03 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Les Bowen said they went hard at that trade but didn’t get what they were looking for.
5 Chiptomylou said at 8:35 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Face it, safety is most likely going to be a weak spot. Maybe they try Nolan Carrol or even Boykin at safety but that probably isn’t going to happen. Maybe Earl Wolfe rounds back into form. You never know.
6 ACViking said at 8:17 PM on March 18th, 2015:
RE: Hard to Judge a GM
In two out of three drafts, the GM for this one particular team had the following rate of success in Rds 1-7:
– 1 starter (Rd 1 pick)
– both years’ 2nd and 3rd Rd and 4th Rd picks CUT out of training camp,
– other 1st Rd pick gone after one season,
– One 5th Rd pick who lasted two seasons
– two 7th Rd picks who lasted one season each
Very, very ugly. [ This is not Kotite, by the way.]
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The GM? A guy named Dick Haley.
Steelers fans remember him well . . .
He selected 9 HOFers in 6 drafts (over a six-year period).
But he missed on a whole bunch, too.
________________
Gotta give your GM time, maybe.
[reposted from prior thread]
7 Bert's Bells said at 8:27 PM on March 18th, 2015:
Free agency, obviously, changed the nature of the GM position.
8 ACViking said at 8:20 PM on March 18th, 2015:
Looking for BELICHICK (again) . . .
Regarding college QBs —
When scouts prepare their pre-draft evaluations, have they — besides watching in person over the player’s college career — gone back to films from prior seasons?
The point being to see who’s continued to progress versus who’s maybe plateaued. Pocket awareness/presence; accuracy; 4th Q performance; [fill in the blank]
So much projection goes into just about every player (save the handful of super-athletes like LT, Reggie White, Suh, Munoz, Ogden, Pace).
Are scouts looking for progress-regression in specific areas with QBs?
9 Avery Greene said at 9:05 PM on March 18th, 2015:
This is an interesting question, because I’ve seen some prospects this year where the report is that they came on late in their career, or that they had a good senior season, or they only started their senior year.
I guess the opposite is true when I read that some people had a worse senior season than their junior season, so I guess they’d have to break down the film to see why they regressed or why the production went down.
10 Henly125 said at 8:43 PM on March 18th, 2015:
More than likely the Eagles go for a WR in the draft..
The veteran market is quite thin.. (Greg Jennings failed a physical)
Dwayne Bowe is a guy I would’ve loved to see on the Eagles . . 4 Yrs ago
Really glad the Birds payed Barwin, he deserves it. Hopefully this leads to them locking up some more guys in the front 7 (Cox, Kendricks, Thornton) .. Would really hate to see Kendricks traded, as some rumors suggest.
11 Greg Richards said at 8:50 PM on March 18th, 2015:
Jennings was listed as failed physical just because he just had a very minor elbow surgery. Shouldn’t be anything that affects him in the regular season.
12 Media Mike said at 5:06 AM on March 19th, 2015:
The only thing I’d hate is to not keep one of our good players on D because we’re still paying DeMeco $7 mil to lay down on the job.
13 eagleyankfan said at 7:38 AM on March 19th, 2015:
ya think?
14 Greg Richards said at 8:52 PM on March 18th, 2015:
Turns out that Barwin did get a slight raise but in years 2016-18.
Adam Caplan
‏@caplannfl
5m5 minutes ago
In Barwin’s renegotiated deal: $750 K added to yrs 16-18 and fully
guaranteed $9.4 m total ($6.4 m base in 2015 and $3 m of base in 2016).
15 Dominik said at 8:28 AM on March 19th, 2015:
750k added scares me. Will this increase his cap hit?? Why in the world would you increase his cap hit?
He had no guar. left. Giving him guar. money IS rewarding him. The Eagles wanted to reward him, which is fine. But don’t harm your cap while you do that.
16 Sb2bowl said at 9:10 AM on March 19th, 2015:
I understandthat they gave him more money so that he and Graham were making about the same overall
17 Dominik said at 9:29 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Ideally, you would lower his cap hit and give him more guar. money for it.
Barwin doesn’t care about his cap hit. He cares about getting $$$. He would get money, but the Eagles would be getting something out of this, too.
If they really raised his cap hit while they gave him guar. money, that’s not a good move, imho. Making Barwin happy is fine, he earned it, but you can make him happy if you simply give him guar. money.
Remember, Barwin had 0 leverage. Giving him guar. money is rewarding him. Still should lower the cap hit or at least keep it the way it was (would prefer to lower it, honestly, doesn’t have to be in ’15, but in 16 and 17, f.e.).
18 Sb2bowl said at 2:21 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Barwin had leverage, it’s called “locker room influence”.
19 Dominik said at 2:48 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Cole had this kind of leverage, too. It’s not like Cole, Herremans or Foles weren’t respected in the locker room.
20 Sb2bowl said at 9:07 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Cole wasn’t nearly as productive— young, inexpensive, and from what we can tell–100% bought in and influential. I do remember Cole being described as less than confrontational. I’m not sure what kind of personalities they share in the locker room, but obviously they moved forward with one and not the other
21 Guest said at 11:48 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Would be bs, imo. Give Barwin guar. money and he’s happy. No need to raise the cap hit. Why should we care about what the public thinks, when Barwin gets guar. money while having 0 leverage? I’m sure Barwin is happy if he gets money guar., every player is happy about that. If Graham has a higher cap hit – so be it.
22 Avery Greene said at 9:12 PM on March 18th, 2015:
CK and Shurmur at Mich St. Pro Day. They might be taking a 2nd look at Drummond? Waynes should be off the board by 20 I would think.
@Eagles head coach Chip Kelly (far left) talks with @DantonioMark at MSU's Pro Day. pic.twitter.com/CIKoRQvRqO— Spartan Football (@MSU_Football) March 18, 2015
23 Insomniac said at 9:18 PM on March 18th, 2015:
Both DBs make sense for us. I’m guessing it’s Drummond since Waynes might not even make it out of the top 12.
24 Avery Greene said at 9:19 PM on March 18th, 2015:
My thought as well.
25 Mitchell said at 10:06 PM on March 18th, 2015:
I’m a pretty big fan of Drummond. I don’t think his 4.65 s time he posted is representative of his real speed, especially with a 39.5 vert. He has great ball skills which we desperately need in this secondary. 10 3/8 in hands got me like O.o
26 FairOaks said at 10:30 PM on March 18th, 2015:
I’m sure you’d prefer to do your due diligence anyways… never know if a trade-up possibility will present itself and the more info you have, the more you know if it’s worth it. Or if a player unexpectedly slides (maybe injures himself before the draft, or something else to damage his draft stock). Plus the player could come on the market in a few years, and getting some background now could help decision making then.
27 Insomniac said at 11:34 PM on March 18th, 2015:
True but for all we know, Chip could have been there for Connor Cook.
28 Media Mike said at 5:07 AM on March 19th, 2015:
I’d take Connor Cook over Hundley every day of the week.
29 Sb2bowl said at 9:11 AM on March 19th, 2015:
I saw an article the other day saying that team that gets about former first round pick D milliner. I think one of those teams was the Eagles? Highly rated coming out of college, brush cover man corner is hard to find – and he’s coming off an injury so we probably want him badly
30 Avery Greene said at 9:22 PM on March 18th, 2015:
Sheil’s blog is doing a draft prospect tracker. Some of these names: Jaelen Strong, Benadrick McKinney, Damarious Randall – these guys could be late 1st or 2nd round picks.
Does CK stay at 20 or trade back to try to get an extra 2nd to try and nab 2 of these type guys? All this talk of trade up makes me think he’s prepared to trade back.
31 Media Mike said at 5:08 AM on March 19th, 2015:
I think last year showed that it would be better to trade down until the guy you want to draft and the value that guy has match up.
No reaching please.
32 bill said at 8:42 AM on March 19th, 2015:
I think Chip may have taken exactly the opposite lesson from last year when a. the 6 guys they had 1st round grades on were gone by the time they picked, and b. the OL depth that they needed was gone when they waited too long to draft them due to an unexpected run.
Not saying you’re wrong or right, just saying that you might be disappointed in the way Chip views the draft.
33 Sb2bowl said at 9:14 AM on March 19th, 2015:
I’m not sure how Jim feels about trading down – to me that seems more like gay how we move. Look at how should wanted to drop players last year, how he was preaching patient – chip wanted who he wanted. Will he wait around and try to work the board this year, to pick up additional pics and to still try and get the guy who wants? I don’t know
34 Sb2bowl said at 9:08 PM on March 19th, 2015:
What do you think about McKinney?
35 Brian Pillion said at 9:24 PM on March 18th, 2015:
Considering the relatively weak S class, and the inflated costs of the free agent market there, I wouldn’t be too surprised if we didn’t have some in-house ideas about filling the overlarge hole opposite Jenkins. Since I doubt they go into the draft dependent on landing a starting safety, I tend to think they feel fairly confident that one of Couplin, Carroll, Jenkins, or Wolff would be able to fill that position.
36 Greg Richards said at 9:24 PM on March 18th, 2015:
Rumor is that they’re converting GJ Kinne to SS. Your 2015 starter.
37 Brian Pillion said at 9:32 PM on March 18th, 2015:
As we don’t use free/strong designations in our defensive backfield, the Kinne SS just takes my head to even darker places than it ought to at face value.
38 Greg Richards said at 9:35 PM on March 18th, 2015:
I’m joiking but Kinne actually got some reps at S in the install portions of practice. No live reps.
39 CrackSammich said at 11:05 PM on March 18th, 2015:
It’d be the coolest story ever if by some miracle he turned into a legitimate starting safety. That one is made for the movies.
40 MattE said at 11:38 PM on March 18th, 2015:
In all honesty i hope he gets some long snaps in with Dorenbos. Wouldn’t mind keeping Kinne around for another 15 years,
41 MagsDaffyDilly said at 1:09 AM on March 19th, 2015:
He could probably hang on to a pick 6 or so, if he ever got near the ball.
42 Donald Kalinowski said at 10:02 PM on March 18th, 2015:
I want them to draft Jalen Collins and move him to S.
43 D3FB said at 10:50 PM on March 18th, 2015:
I think you misspelled Quinton Rollins.
44 Insomniac said at 11:44 PM on March 18th, 2015:
I think you misspelled Brian Dawkins.
45 KAJomo said at 10:25 PM on March 18th, 2015:
Of all of our holes S concerns me the least. The truth is very few teams have 2 good starters at S. Most teams have one good to very good player with a average guy next to him. The Patriots just won a SB with Patrick Chung. I’d be ok starting a rookie or a guy like Wolff. Hopefully next year’s draft is better at the position and we can ake an upgrade. This year however I’d rather address the OL, WR, and add a future starter at CB.
46 GEAGLE said at 1:04 AM on March 19th, 2015:
im all about my Defense but I have to admit im more concerned with filling our Guard spots and WR. possibly even a pass rusher. Part of it is the draft not being flooded with safeties that I love for us…we have some young kids that should all be really competing to try and win that starting spot since no one has the position on lock right now, Fortunately I love our stable of corner, with former CB Malcolm at safety, our coverage should be significantly tighter then it was last year even with
47 GEAGLE said at 1:04 AM on March 19th, 2015:
im all about my Defense but I have to admit im more concerned with filling our Guard spots and WR. possibly even a pass rusher. Part of it is the draft not being flooded with safeties that I love for us…we have some young kids that should all be really competing to try and win that starting spot since no one has the position on lock right now, Fortunately I love our stable of corner, with former CB Malcolm at safety, our coverage should be significantly tighter then it was last year even without a name brand reolacement for Nate Allen
48 Dominik said at 8:38 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Couldn’t disagree with you more. We have added one premium corner. While I like Thurmond, he never started outside.
What makes you think there is a significant difference in our Defensive Backfield? If we are completely honest to ourselves, teams didn’t threw in Williams (now: Maxwell) direction very much last year because Fletchers side was a free for all. We probably improved that, but if Thurmond is hurt again, we have Carroll back there, who, in Billy Ds opinion, was worse than Fletcher was.
And all that while we possibly downgraded the Safety position next to Jenkins even more.
I really hope Chip has a trade up his sleeves or he’s waiting for Goldson to get released (or another vet he likes).
I’m all for player development, but players should earn their role, especially when we talk starters. That was Chips philosophy so far, why hand the job now to Wolff, Watkins, Reynolds…?
49 Sb2bowl said at 9:18 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Well I’m not sure that we will go after Goldson – I do see us picking whatever safeties are released after training camp or after the draft. I’m not sure if they will even try to deploy to safety locks, or if we just play single high safety with Malcolm, five corners, and our strong d-line with a Lb hovering..
50 Donald Kalinowski said at 10:00 PM on March 18th, 2015:
You should be angrier at the Colts. They probably told Simon’s agent that they were willing to offer more guaranteed money if he were to be a free agent. So he argued his way out town and ended up signing with the Colts 2 days after the Eagles removed the franchise tag. They Colts ended up getting Simon without surrendering any draft picks.
I don’t blame a player when he’s offered more money elsewhere. This sport is violent and unforgiving.
Anyway, Fuck the Colts. They got 1 year out of him and had to pay him $14 million.
51 Media Mike said at 5:09 AM on March 19th, 2015:
The Eagles traded Simon to the Colts if memory serves. Just for a lower value than what the Ravens offered.
52 Greg Richards said at 7:07 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Nope, removed his franchise tag. He signed with the Colts. Eagles got zip.
53 unhinged said at 9:04 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Ozzie: “Phew….that was close!”
54 Ben Hert said at 8:53 AM on March 19th, 2015:
EFf the Colts in general. Fairest of fairweather fanbases, insanely lucky, and Jim Irsay is batshit crazy, and his luck with QBs has only reinforced his idea that he is a good owner.
55 ICDogg said at 10:09 PM on March 18th, 2015:
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1917883/suddenexcitement.gif
56 Donald Kalinowski said at 10:26 PM on March 18th, 2015:
If the Eagles see a QB they like in the 2nd or even the1st round, they’re going to take him.
Chip took a calculated risk when he traded for Bradford. He’s not going to pigeon-hold himself to 1 guy who has had two ACL tears and mediocre career so far.
If Bradford ends up having a mediocre year, he’s not going to sink the team to a Cutler-esque contract.
And if he isn’t healthy, they’ve essentially taken the gamble of giving up Foles, a 2nd, and a 4th round pick in exchange for a 3rd and 5th round pick.
It’s not a MAJOR gamble and Chip doesn’t seem like the guy who will ride with a player despite not liking him for the sole reason in the resources he invested.
57 D3FB said at 10:54 PM on March 18th, 2015:
The other argument for taking a QB early this year is that we don’t have a 2nd rounder next year. If Bradford doesn’t work out, we lack the ammo to move up. Our QB’s could all get dysentery, GJ Kinnie could be our starting QB for a full season and Chip is still going to win 5 or 6 games.
58 MagsDaffyDilly said at 1:07 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Dysentary lol! Guess we would see if they are all full of s—.
59 D3FB said at 5:07 AM on March 19th, 2015:
I’m only worried because Chip probably have an Oregon (trail) bias for disease.
http://www.openlettersmonthly.com/issue/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/dysentery.jpeg
60 Michael Winter Cho said at 12:09 PM on March 19th, 2015:
And if you think you can do better:
https://archive.org/stream/msdos_Oregon_Trail_The_1990/Oregon_Trail_The_1990.zip?module=dosbox&scale=2
61 Greg Richards said at 7:06 AM on March 19th, 2015:
GJ Kinne the starting QB all season? The curse is broken! Super Bowl Champions!
62 BobSmith77 said at 11:24 PM on March 18th, 2015:
Agreed. For all of the talk about Bradford, he just strikes me as a purely a stop-gap with the Eagles with the grabbing a QB in the 1st round/moving up in the 2nd round.
63 eagleyankfan said at 10:31 AM on March 19th, 2015:
so you’re saying — the Eagles are using Bradford as trade bait so the Eagles can go into the season with rookie/Sanchez/Tebow as the qb’s? No chance that happens.
64 bill said at 10:57 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Obviously, I’m not Bob, but that’s not how I read his comment. I think the point is that any QB the Eagles draft this year will be a project who isn’t NFL ready (I include Mariota in this group, though most others here don’t). Thus, you want to have a guy to hold down the fort this year, at least, while the QBOTF is riding the pine and getting up to NFL speed. Bradford is the guy that they’re going to use to hold down the fort, who also has the potential to be QBOTF, thereby hedging your bet on a rookie QB (and vice versa).
Until January 2016, the Eagles will have no answers on the QB situation – just possibilities – no matter what they do this offseason.
65 RC5000 said at 3:39 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Just because you think he’s a stopgap, it doesn’t mean he’s drafting a QB in the first or second. It’s possible – obviously Chip will do what he wants but he’s already shown he isn’t drafting a Qb just because fans think he needs to draft one.
66 GEAGLE said at 6:05 PM on March 19th, 2015:
so Foles couldnt be a stock gap for you? you needed to pay 13million MORE for a stop gap? really?
67 Media Mike said at 5:10 AM on March 19th, 2015:
If they do that out of the Mariota zone I’d prefer Petty or Mannion.
68 Gary Barnes said at 11:18 PM on March 18th, 2015:
Loved Simon…good pick by Reid, he was very good for several years and really helped our defense.
Good news on Barwin…he has been a great addition
No mention of the Eagles “re-structuring” Braman’s contract the other day? It was done under the radar, but seemed less a reward than a correction…thought it was interesting
69 GEAGLE said at 12:47 AM on March 19th, 2015:
i dunno man,,, Simon and Shawn Andrews were picks that played at a high level for us, but a first round pick who only stays with you 4-5 years isnt a very good draft pick IMO…. Andrews went in the draft labeled as someone who doesnt loe the game. Surprise Surprise he hasnt been an Eagle in like a decade and we passed on Wilfork who just won a SB with the Patriots and is still playing…. just think of how much value the Patriots got out of Wilfork compared to what we got from Shawn Andrews. Heck Wilfork gave the Pats more then Andrews and Simon gave us combined.
.. a good first round pick is one you end up keepng years after his rookie contract expires IMO…… but both Simon and Andrews did have some quality game. Its just a shame we got so little out of them
70 Gary Barnes said at 6:38 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I differ a bit…Simon was a warrior who gave his all here and was a dynamic DT with good sack ability while still being good vs the run. Sure, he only stayed for 5 years, but as noted that was more a contract/cap issue than anything to do with him as a player and I do not fault players for getting what they need financially…the teams certainly are. That situation does not negate him being a good pick IMO.
Andrews is a different situation and I’m not sure why you threw him into the debate…he was an excellent OG, just a beast and I disagree he did not like football…he did not like the relentless media and attention IMO…he became a different guy, one nervous and difficult because he just did not know how to handle it. Should the Eagles have known that when drafting him? I think that is unfair. Now, his brother truly sucked…:) but Shawn IMO was still a good pick that unfortunately, like many others over the years, had a brief career due to mental/psychological issues he could not control or get help with…
71 Sb2bowl said at 9:43 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Shawn could have been a HOF player if he could have handled the media better… Maybe if he went to a team like the Packers or Broncos, one where the media attention is 1/3 of the pressure of the Philly press…
He was an All-Pro; I think The fact that he broke his leg the first year in the league was really detrimental to his overall mental health, and his confidence to play longer in the lead without worrying about his future health problems.
72 GEAGLE said at 12:48 AM on March 19th, 2015:
didnt they extend Braman a year?
73 MagsDaffyDilly said at 1:05 AM on March 19th, 2015:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20150318_Eagles_rework_linebacker_s_contract.html
74 GEAGLE said at 12:13 AM on March 19th, 2015:
we lost TWO WR’s “Mac n Brad”(scarface n beenie siegel lol).
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chip kelly basically admitted at the press conference that we will be drafting a WR, but i dont know if we can afford to draft two… where is Brads replacement coming from?
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crabtree cant get any seperation whatsoever, so you cant play him opposite of Coop
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Moore is a fast burner from Oakland offensive hell, but he is allegedly not very smart football player with not a great work ethic.. Cordarrell syndrom. Talented athlete, but can chip teach him to play football?
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hakeem Nicks and Reggie Wayan are old and slower then speedy Gonzales retard cousin “slow poke”… no thanks, rather have a UDFA
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i would love to see what Cecil short can do in this offense but he is fragile, lol then again that would make him perfect for us.. problem is most NFL teams view him as a quick slot WR, and we have plenty of weapons to attack the middle of the field.. We need a burner opposite Coop on the outside….
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Greg Jennings used to have some nice deep ball ability, and made some tough catches in his career but I have no clue what he has left in the Tank? what level is his speed at these days? i really have no idea what to think of him at this stage in his career..
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Dwayne Bowe is even more confusing, He clearly has lost a step, but how many? he sucked last year, but alot of it was Alex smith being atrocious. It be nice to have him blocking on the outside opposite Coop, but he probably isnt fast enough either these days. Doubt he has the hunger and work ethic at this stage to enjoy our practices…wish I knew how good guys like him and Jennings are right now
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slim pickings… maybe we carry 1 less WR this year and carry 4 TE and 4 RB? Replace Maclin with a WR in the draft and replace Brad with a 4th TE. Next year we cut Celek, Coop and we have two more spots open for young weapons…. then again, its no lock that Polk will be on this roster… maybe chip is crazy enough to draft 2 Guards and 2 WRs in one draft
75 anon said at 12:14 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Agree
76 Anders said at 3:00 AM on March 19th, 2015:
So you are afraid we can’t replace brad Smith? The Eagles clearly see huff as maclins replacement so we only need a guy to replace Cooper next year
77 eagleyankfan said at 7:33 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Let’s not get carried away about Huff. He’s not close to Maclin’s ability.
78 Anders said at 7:40 AM on March 19th, 2015:
I said what has been reported about what the Eagles think and he does not need to fully replace Maclin.
79 eagleyankfan said at 7:45 AM on March 19th, 2015:
ok, so take the word of reporters and run with it…..
80 GEAGLE said at 1:06 PM on March 19th, 2015:
LOL……..I dont want to spend two draft picks on WRs again this year…spend a pick on a WR to help fill Maclins spot and look elsewhere for a WR to fill Brad smith roster spot. UDFA? free agent? trade? whatever… but if we have to draft 2 Olineman, i hate to see us daft 2 WR’s…
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maybe the Carry 1 less WR next year, and carry 4 TEs and 4 RBs? probably unlikely, but I would much rather draft a WR and a TE instead of two WR’s…
81 GEAGLE said at 7:57 AM on March 19th, 2015:
thats it….exactly. im scared to death we cant replace Brad. good one. u seem to have no concept of allocation of resources these days, so I dont imagine Im going to get anything of value from having this chat….
82 Greg Richards said at 7:05 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Cecil Shorts signed with Houston. As far as depth receivers/Brad Smith replacements, it wouldn’t surprise me if they added Drew Davis.
83 GEAGLE said at 12:21 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Chip kelly is a hack, bum of a GM and we need to run him out of town immediately. Clearly College boy is in over his head and Lurie needs to fgire him now before he goes “Full Doug Collins”…
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College boy had a chance at next years starting CB for the legion of boom(while we get stuck with the LOB’s old trash). He had a chance at the next great “Bellichek Corner” after pissing away the superbowl winning starting safety patrik Chung smh….. and if thats not bad enough, he gets completely out played and lets the Raiders poach our 20 million dollar safety?
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He shouldnt be allowed to make it through the night as coach of the Philadelphia Eagles…
84 GEAGLE said at 12:41 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Hopefully the Eagles are exploring some trade opportunities. It would be great if we can plug another major hole or two before the draft…
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1) Cordarrel Patterson, WR/KR, Vikings
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2) Dee Milner, CB, Jets
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3) Jonathon Cooper, Guard, Cardinals
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4) Tashuan Gipson, Safety, Browns
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5) Dion Jordan, OLB, Dolphins..
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6) Margus Hunt, DE, Bengals
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7) Robert Woods, WR, Bills
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8) Kenny Vaccaro, Safety Saints
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9) Terron Armstead OT, Saints
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10) Justin Blacmon WR, Jaguars
85 Media Mike said at 5:11 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Patterson is a mental midget. I want no parts of him on the team.
86 GEAGLE said at 1:59 PM on March 19th, 2015:
im not certain about that… I know that Norv turner doesnt like his route running or understanding of the offense, but I also heard that Chip was really high on him back in the 2013 draft. If THATS TRUE(dont know if it is or isnt), then you can bet Chip checked out his route running and football IQ from himself, talked to every coach the kid ever had….chip isnt the type to be high on a stupid football player……Just because Patterson struggles in Norve Turners pro offense, doesnt automatically mean he doesnt have the football IQ to handle playing in Chips system…. I also dont expect Norv Turner and his staff to have the “Teachers” that Chip prioritize filling his staff with…
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He clearly has fallen out of favor with the minnesota coaching staff, but I have a hard time judging this talent as Untouchable because of how one coaching staff is rumored to view him
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wish we knew the truth about How chip viewed him going into the 2013 draft. If he was high on Patterson, I would assume he would view this as a chance to “buy low” on a highly talented young player…i know Norv Turner is a respected coach, but if i had to bet, my money would be on chip getting more out of Patterson then Norv does,,, If Chip really was high on him, falling out of favor with minesota coaches I assume wouldnt make the kid untouchable in chips eyes… sure adds another dangerous element to our Special teams… maybe Cordarrell is dumb as a rock, he doesnt need to be a road scholar to catchg a bubble screen, stiff arm a defender, turn the Jets on and get up fielld..
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if Patterson is as stupoid as the rumors are exaggerating him to be, that should mean he can be had for pretty cheap no? Id sure as hell take a flier on that type of elite Talent and trust that our offensive Guru knows what to do to weaponize it
87 Anders said at 2:01 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Turner’s offense is also one of the toughest to learn and maximize zero of what makes Patterson a potential great weapon.
I would love Patterson starting next to Huff, together with Ertz and Matthews.
and Patterson would also give us a great KR together with Sproles’s PR
88 GEAGLE said at 2:24 PM on March 19th, 2015:
yup… it was no secret that the pro style offense that they were drafting him into was not going to be an easy transition for the kid,… Our offense is awesome because it is simple.. He lines up outside, if a CB plays him a certain way, he runs a bubble, if a defender lines up asnother way he runs a go route, if the QB counts not enough defenders in the box he gets ready to run block… you dont even really have to memorize the play, you just gotta know who to look to on the sideline and what each symbol means…
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The Genius of chip is supposed to be that he makes things easier for players, and they go on to have career years….I can easily see chip get his hands on this talent, weaponize the shit out of him, and go on to make Norv Turner and the Vikings look foolish…If they trade him to us, they better put some conditional protection that we owe them a slightly highr pick if we get him to have a big year or something to save face, cuz you know chip will get that Talent to produce…
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Think he is like two tiers above Justin Hunter who went his year
89 GEAGLE said at 2:28 PM on March 19th, 2015:
im hoping its a case of the Vikings holding on to him, but on draft night if they can get one of the top 2 or 3 WRs they really want, that once they secured one, they would turn around and activate a trade they already have worked out with the Eagles to send him here…
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Patterson,Huff,Jordan,Sproles,Ertz? yes please…we will be counting down the days til we can cut Cooper if we get him….heck we need two WRs…. maybe trade for him, draft another…
90 Anders said at 2:30 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Patterson also fits perfectly in a fast pace, horizontal offense. I really think Vikings take Parker and then I think they trade Patterson to a team and hopefully it is us
91 GEAGLE said at 2:32 PM on March 19th, 2015:
it certainly makes sense.. they just traded for Wallace… they can either get Teddy is College WR Parker, or his High school WR Amari, how do they pass that up when they are down on Cordarrell…. hopefully we jump in that trade, assume the dirty Browns might try to snag him.. hopefully the sign another free agent WR
92 eagleyankfan said at 7:53 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Shame about Patterson. Such good talent. Clearly fell out of favor last year.
93 GEAGLE said at 12:13 PM on March 19th, 2015:
rather take a flier on justin Blacmon… wouldnt pay much for him, but id take a flier on that kid. he could be a Terror in our offense, assuming he is the explosive athlete he once was. he is sill young but the Jags invested in a nice trio of WR, Lee, Robinson and Hurns…. id send the Jags a player or a 6th(conditional 5th or 7th depending if he plays or not) to take a flier on a young beast of a WR talent….I assume he isnt as far lost down the rabbit hole as Josh Gordon
94 anon said at 12:51 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Chip and Shurmer at Mich St. any offensive prospects there?
95 Mitchell said at 1:14 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Tony Lippett but he may be a bit of a developmental player because he doesn’t have enough strength to deal with the NFL corners and nor the speed (4.59 at proday) or crisp routes to overcome his deficits. But he did play both cb and wr and was productive.
96 Greg Richards said at 7:02 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Michigan State is Shurmur’s alma mater and he started his coaching career there. So he probably wanted to go to their pro day regardless of the offensive talent there. Jeremy Langford is a 4th-5th round RB prospect.
97 Insomniac said at 12:55 AM on March 19th, 2015:
20: R1P20
CB TRAE WAYNES
MICHIGAN STATE
52: R2P20
QB BRETT HUNDLEY
UCLA
84: R3P20
CB BYRON JONES
CONNECTICUT
110: R4P14
WR BRESHAD PERRIMAN
UCF
137: R5P9
WR TRE MCBRIDE
WILLIAM & MARY
148: R5P20
S CLAYTON GEATHERS
UCF
who needs OL??..oh wait Bradford might.
98 MagsDaffyDilly said at 1:03 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Love Byron Jones. So so quite a few NFL people, however. Will he last to the 3rd Round?
99 Insomniac said at 1:14 AM on March 19th, 2015:
I doubt it. He has top 75 talent and some other GMs will see that they’ll get a good CB as well as a very likable guy.
100 Mitchell said at 1:16 AM on March 19th, 2015:
IDK but I love his jam off the line. He does it really well for college level IMO.
101 Sean Stott said at 12:40 PM on March 19th, 2015:
There’s no way Waynes is available at #20, and there’s no way Hundley is available at #52.
102 JJ_Cake said at 1:48 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Thanks for posting the info from Jimmy Johnson. You can hate the Cowboys, but have to respect how he put those Superbowl Teams together. I’m coming around more and more to accepting that Bradford might be an upgrade over Nick Foles in Chip’s offense. We’ll see, time will tell. I still see the Nick from 2013 and think he can be better. I’ll change my avatar if I’m wrong, when healthy Nick can “make all the throws”. (and yes I suffered in a fantasy football match when I played Nick in his meltdown game when Dallas came to town and lost, so I know how bad he can be), but I think when both men are done in the NFL, Nick will have had a better career.
103 Media Mike said at 5:03 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Corey Simon was such a gigantic waste of talent. F him and anybody else who blocks a trade that maximizes his value to my team.
104 Bert's Bells said at 7:40 AM on March 19th, 2015:
You own a team?
105 daveH said at 9:59 AM on March 19th, 2015:
that would definetly include Patrick Ewing for the Knicks
106 eagleyankfan said at 7:44 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Why does everyone still think the Eagles are trading up for MM? It didn’t make sense before trading for Bradford. According to CK’s presser, it still didn’t make sense. And, just because the news is slow, NOW it makes sense? Breaking news — it still doesn’t make any sense. Yes, I’d like a shiny new toy on the team. But that doesn’t mean it makes sense.
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Eagles don’t have needs — they have holes — not back up needs. Eagles need a starting WR/Safety/Guard. If you have specific guys you want to fill those holes, you can’t be using up your draft picks to get them.
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Even if you trade Bradford for 19 and trade 19/20 for MM — you’ve just completely watered down the talent available in the rest of the rounds. No matter how many times a writer thinks he knows something …No matter how times/ways you think you can come with a valid reason to trade up, it’s not happening.
107 GEAGLE said at 7:55 AM on March 19th, 2015:
but he runs fast…..
108 mksp said at 11:38 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Its cute that you think you have any idea of whats going on, and still can’t help yourself being a condescending little douche.
I at least admire your brevity on this particular post.
109 RobNE said at 8:54 AM on March 19th, 2015:
I know a lot of folks are tired of this and just want the draft over so we can get behind (or criticize) the players left after draft day. So without trying to start another war over this, I think Bradford was an upgrade for Chip but that if he can get MM for whatever Chip thinks is worthwhile (and we can call debate that forever, but we have no clue as to the answer), then he will do it.
Saying it’s going to happen or it’s definitely not happening I think is tough to say with any level of confidence. Saying we won’t do it b/c we’d like to upgrade WR or get a guard, I think the league and Chip value QB play way, way higher than those positions. It’s just a matter of value and is a trade even available etc. Who knows at this point.
110 eagleyankfan said at 10:28 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Nobody knows for sure. Most cases, you can make sense as to why something happened/didn’t happen. MM will require more than just 2 picks in mid-1st round. To get that 2nd pick(19) they’d have to give up a QB. So you’re asking a team to trade with you, to take a QB and not be able to give them something in return to fill that hole? Besides those 2 picks(if 19 is acquired) what else are you giving up? Number 1 pick next year? or number 2 pick?
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Yes – of course you value a QB play over guard/wr — it’s the cost to get that QB that matters(which is why, not everyone is knocking on Tenn door to get MM).
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You can make a case for flipping Bradford to Cleveland and acquire more pics and target Hundley(for example) — something like that you can make ‘sense’ out of it. Nobody has yet to make a valid case/trade to get MM where it makes sense. That’s why, people can say with some certainty, this will not happen.
111 RobNE said at 11:10 AM on March 19th, 2015:
The case is that QB is the most important position by far, and Chip thinks MM >> Bradford.
yes you would need to give up more, but what if M drops to Jets at 6. Then maybe it isn’t much more. I think the draft pick chart values 19 (which Bradford is about worth, so you send Bradford to Jets or the Browns pick) and 20 as about worth 5 or 6. So bam, I think Chip does that all day. I don’t know if the Jets take it, but there are definitely scenarios where Chip does not mortgage everything.
112 ICDogg said at 11:15 AM on March 19th, 2015:
I’ll say this… if I’m the Jets in that scenario I’m demanding a lot more than “chart value” if that pick falls into my lap.
113 bill said at 12:42 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Yeah, I really hope that deal is already in place, conditional on MM’s availability, if that’s what Chip wants. Now that he’s played his hand, any call he makes on draft day will completely rob him of bargaining power. If he makes that call on draft day, the other team knows that he doesn’t want Bradford as his starter and can confidently call every bluff.
114 unhinged said at 12:27 PM on March 19th, 2015:
“The case is that QB is the most important position by far, and Chip thinks MM >> Bradford.” That’s your premise, or that is your opinion? CK was gushing with glee over Bradford in his PC, and his remarks on MM have all the marks of genuine, pro forma loyalty. I have yet to hear Chip dis any player, but there is a lot of wiggle room in his testimony re: MM. Bradford has hours of tape doing exactly what MM hasn’t yet had to do. Chip might well love to get MM, but we all know that he can’t deliver much after 1 TC, so that puts 2015 into a Sanchez funk. How would that fly?
115 RobNE said at 12:32 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I agree we don’t know at this point what Chip wants to do, and if he even wants MM what would he pay.
you said no one has made the case why do it, so I was making the case. I am not qualified to have a strong opinion, but if Chip makes the move and doesn’t pay too much, I’ll be excited b/c that will signal to me what Chip thinks and he got his guy.
Right now I think MM being able to take off in a conservative way and slide, like Wilson, is worth a fair amount. But Bradford can make the throws. How do you measure can Bradford stay healthy, can MM make those throws, and how valuable is more mobility? I can’t argue that I can do that math but that’s why we pay Chip. I’d like MM to be there at 6 so Chip has the choice.
116 unhinged said at 12:39 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I’ll make a conservative prediction – I claim no insight or particular knowledge, like you: If Kelly gets a mobile QB or ANY QB in this draft, he will not be giving up Bradford to do so.
117 eagleyankfan said at 8:08 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Any thoughts on the proposed “9 point play”? At this point — why not just say — if a team is losing and they score at the end of the game, it’s an automatic tie. I don’t like it at all.
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Why not get crazy and say — after a TD, from the regular spot, you get 2 points OR go back 15 more yards and if you score, you get 3 points OR after a TD and you kick a 60 yarder, you get 3 points. Or — just simply — man up your defense and stop worrying about playing from behind…lmao!!!
118 Bert's Bells said at 8:40 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Overheard after the proposal: “Go home, Irsay, you’re drunk again.”
119 Mitchell said at 9:57 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Hey! That’s my line!
120 scratcherk said at 8:37 AM on March 19th, 2015:
So can someone explain why Hardy won’t count as a 12 mill cap hit this year? He could potentially cost that much if he plays in all games so doesnt that mean the Boys have to have that much money free in case he does meet all his bonuses? I assume it doesnt work like that but I dont see why not.
121 Chiptomylou said at 8:42 AM on March 19th, 2015:
They may be banking on him being suspended. They may not have to pay him a portion of the salary then. But I have no idea how NFL contracts work so…
122 Dominik said at 8:45 AM on March 19th, 2015:
As far as I know, the money isn’t “lost” for all us Cowboys hater, but will be counted against their cap in 2016 (if he earns his bonus). Basically a credit card mentality.
123 RobNE said at 8:48 AM on March 19th, 2015:
there was a discussion about this in the posts either below or in the one from yesterday. I think the summary is if you are unable to play due to suspension, it all works differently or something.
124 cliff-U of ACL @ Oregon said at 9:03 AM on March 19th, 2015:
he could, depends on/if/how much he’s suspended. way dallas set his contracts, he gets paid bonus of 545k for every active game. since he was only active for 2 games last yr, initially, they on have to count 1.1m of his 9m roster bonus. so, for now, it’s only 3.5m. once he’s active for games after #2, they have to add 545k to sal cap. so if he plays 12, they have to add 5.5m. if he plays 16 games, he’s a full 11.3m hit.
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right now they only have 2m available with Hardy counting as 3.5m hit. they’ll have to clear some room to work in his bonuses regardless if he’s suspended or not.
125 Anders said at 9:07 AM on March 19th, 2015:
http://overthecap.com/looking-at-the-greg-hardy-contract-with-the-cowboys/
126 FairOaks said at 10:11 AM on March 19th, 2015:
He might, if he plays in all 16 games. The workout bonus and salary will count against this year’s cap (about 2 million). Since Hardy spent two weeks on the 53-man roster last year, I think that means that two of his roster bonuses (so about 1.2 million more) are “LTBE” and will count against this year’s cap now, and the rest are “NLTBE” (since he would not have earned them last year). However there is a special CBA clause about NLTBE roster bonuses which state that they count against the current year’s cap as soon as they are earned, so as soon as Hardy plays his third game he will start counting more against the 2015 cap. His cap hit will be low over the summer, so the Cowboys could cut folks after June 1 and save lots of 2015 cap that way (at the expense of 2016 cap), but it could get a lot higher during the season. However, if he gets suspended say six games, that would take out six roster bonuses, and reduce the cap hit a fair bit. Also, Dallas could cut him during the season and the rest of the bonuses would not be earned. Normally players’ salary is guaranteed for the season if they play in the first game of the year, but that is a tiny amount of Hardy’s contract — if he gets in further trouble, or plays horribly, he could be cut loose. The sack bonuses would only count against the 2016 cap.
127 ICDogg said at 11:08 AM on March 19th, 2015:
If you don’t have the players to play your scheme you need to scheme to find a way to use the players you do have or can get. Not sure why one couldn’t design the defense where they don’t need to go out and get another safety, especially when 2 of the ILBs are very athletic, or how that would be any worse than picking up one of the safeties off the street that are currently available.
Similarly on offense if you have extra backs and tight ends that are good and your wide receivers are not that good, you’ve got to come up with ways to use the players that are good, even if you’re only using one guy currently thought of as a WR.
128 Dominik said at 11:18 AM on March 19th, 2015:
I’m not against Billy D., because I like the job he did with the front seven. But I don’t trust him when it comes to hiding your weaknesses in the Defensive Backfield. Fletcher, Allen and Chung weren’t especially talented, but they weren’t exactly in the best positions to suceed, either.
Only because Belichick can scheme away his weaknesses on Defense to some degree, doesn’t mean any DC can do that. And I think it’s fair to say that when it comes to DBs, Billy D can’t.
And at the same time, we didn’t exactly had the best OLBs in Football and stil had A LOT of sacks. So Billy D can scheme pressure, but not coverage.
129 ICDogg said at 11:33 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Not sure he didn’t do near the best he could with what was there to work with. There are only so many weaknesses one can scheme around.
I guess thought that what I am looking for would be the kind of scheme where the role of one of the inside linebackers (Kendricks or Alonso) would on any given play, be in the role of the safety.
130 Dominik said at 11:44 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Well, if he did what he could, then how does this make our gigantic hole at Safety go away?
131 Bert's Bells said at 12:10 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Right. If 3 of your 4 starting DBs provide the coverage of a thong bikini on 300 pound woman the best a defense can do is close its eyes and hope for the best.
132 P_P_K said at 12:29 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Good one.
133 unhinged said at 12:12 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I always thought that Bellicheck’s flexibility on D is built into his front 7. He’s almost got 5 LB’s out there with Jones and Nincovich at DE, and then Mayo and Collins can both cover in space and rush the passer. Add to that, his NT will destroy the RB in screen attempt. The challenge that NE’s front 7 presents confounds a lot of centers and confuses most QB’s. I’m not arguing that secondary is irrelevant, but run support is more manageable when that front 7 is doing a lot more fooling than getting fooled. CB’s must be able to cover, and all eyes must be on any ball in the air. I would guess that Fletcher will be a sub, scheme-ready but low end of depth-chart. He’ll play a fourth receiver aggressively, physically, and stay out of harm’s way. If I see Fletcher in base cover 3, playing press on WR 1 or 2, I’ll assume it’s a look that won’t be sustained.
134 Anders said at 12:37 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Belicheck scheming Chung away was called having Revis+McCourty on the field. Revis shut down his WR, McCourty took the deep field and put Chung in the box
135 Dominik said at 1:15 PM on March 19th, 2015:
That’s why I said to some degree. Of course you can only hide someone if you have talent around. And you can only become SB champion with Patrick Chung as starting Safety if you have good CBs and a good FS.
136 Alistair Middlemiss said at 11:22 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Theoretically we could play with 3CB’s and a single safety in base in this defence, would not be how they like to do it and would give away a lot of information on their formation.
But the reality is that last season in base we often played that way, Jenkins would drop into the slot and we would play single high safety in cover 3. We could just have a slot CB who moved across the formation and leave covering TE’s to our pair of hyper athletic LB’s.
Think we would have issues on 3rd down but i do think we have a better chance than many defence’s to convert a CB to Safety and see them have success.
137 ICDogg said at 11:24 AM on March 19th, 2015:
I’d rather use our 3 ILBs together.
138 Alistair Middlemiss said at 11:32 AM on March 19th, 2015:
Slot WR’s would be open all the time, athletic as Kendricks and Kiko are they are not able to cover slot wide receivers in man coverage, especially shift types.
Kiko has the potential to be one of the best coverage LB’s in football but he is no strong safety (which we do not use in standard sense)
139 Mitchell said at 12:28 PM on March 19th, 2015:
You know who is? Shaq Thompson.
140 Javi Echie said at 12:33 PM on March 19th, 2015:
That he is but what position is going to play in the pros? Not worth wasting a 1st or 2nd round pick on a guy that has no definitive position.
141 Mitchell said at 1:48 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I wasn’t advocating drafting him. Just a guy who could fit the role described. I agree with you totally.
142 Javi Echie said at 1:52 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Agreed Mtichell. Don’t get me wrong I would love to have a swiss army type player like him for our defense but not at the expense of a high pick. I feel like a team like Seattle, who is already loaded, can use a player that him and he can succeed there.
143 GEAGLE said at 1:42 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I know exactly who is….Christian Kirksey. scumbag Browns Stole him from us…
144 botto said at 12:50 PM on March 19th, 2015:
wait until next year when we have Rivers coming in to take over this offense. he could be pretty good running the show…
145 Anders said at 12:52 PM on March 19th, 2015:
It would be crazy if he hit FA. Would be best FA QB to ever hit the market in the salary cap era without injury concerns (Manning had the neck concern and Brees wasnt as good when he hit FA)
146 botto said at 12:55 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I thought he is for sure since he is not signing a contract with SD
147 Dominik said at 1:04 PM on March 19th, 2015:
No way they won’t give him the Franchise Tag.
148 botto said at 1:04 PM on March 19th, 2015:
oh yeah
149 Bert's Bells said at 12:55 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Brees was younger than Rivers and had put up great numbers in San Diego. The only he hit free agency was because they invested a first round pick in Rivers after poor rookie work from Brees.
That’s to say, I think Brees was considered a better commodity at the time than Rivers would be today (factoring in age).
150 Anders said at 12:57 PM on March 19th, 2015:
yea and that shoulder injury which was potential career endning.
Also the Chargers used that pick on Rivers because of the injury and Brees hadnt been stellar. but only good enough
151 Bert's Bells said at 1:00 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Right about the injury. I recalled there was something but was too lazy to google.
152 Anders said at 1:05 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Nick Saban might still be an NFL HC instead of college HC if his doctor with the Dolphins had cleared his shoulder
153 Dominik said at 1:13 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I’m pretty sure he would. History in the AFC East would be different, too, because there is no way Belichick wins the Division every year if Saban is there and has a QB. That would have been a great rivalry: Belichick and Brady vs. Saban and Brees, if you think about it.
And as long as Rex Ryan had his great O-Line and running game going, to go along with his DBs and defensive scheme, the AFC East would have been what the NFC West is today.
154 ACViking said at 3:30 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Actually . . .
San Diego drafted Rivers after Brees’ 1st Pro Bowl season (and 3rd as starter, 4th in the NFL).
Chargers GM AJ Smith never saw Brees as a championship-level QB. Whereas HC Marty Shottenheimer did.
Well, Smith drafted Rivers, cut Brees a year later, and fired Shotty year after that (following a 14-2 record).
155 Dominik said at 3:49 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Wow. Releasing a 14-2 HC. Wow. Very rarely that happens. From the outside, that’s as stupid as the Harbaugh firing in San Fran.
Wonder why he didn’t get another HC gig in the NFL after that.
156 Media Mike said at 4:13 PM on March 19th, 2015:
AJ Smith is quite possibly one of the biggest pieces of human excrement alive. I don’t know of anybody associated with San Diego with anything positive to say about the guy.
157 sonofdman said at 4:14 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Actually…
Brees made his first Pro Bowl after San Diego drafted Rivers. San Diego was terrible in 2003 with Brees as the starter and he actually got benched for Doug Flutie that season. That is why they had the #1 overall pick in the 2004 draft, which they used to pick Eli Manning who they traded for Rivers.
Rivers held out into training camp, so Brees started the 2004 season, played really well, and kept Rivers on the bench. This 2004 season was his first Pro Bowl.
San Diego franchised him for the 2005 season and he played well again, but hurt his shoulder in the last game so they let him go and went with Rivers.
158 ACViking said at 5:06 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Stand corrected.
Thanks for clearing that up
159 GEAGLE said at 1:28 PM on March 19th, 2015:
what im waiting for is someone to bring some damn stability to the position.. Im waiting for us to get someone that will end the yearly game of musical chairs so that I can one day see a QB who will get to grow in this offense. I look forward to the point where our QB has had a few years to grow into this scheme and our offense becomes second nature to him… dying to see what a talented QB can be after he has 30 plus game under his belt in this system, with 2-3yrs worth of chemistry with our key weapons li,e Ertz, the pope and Huff… thats what Im waiting for…some simple stability..so we can build this thing into a team we can be proud of….. Hopefully Bradford is the guy,…. fastest road to becoming a top team is having THE GUY on our roster already… Hopefully Sam Steps up, makes the most of this opportunity and finally start to realize his full potential. Just about every non OL player who has been in this offense has had career years, hopefully Sam Bradford is next to continue that trend….If Sam isnt the Guy, hopefully Chip doesnt waste two years with him before making the inevitable change.. we are already down a valuable 2nd round pick for this QB..
160 Dominik said at 1:55 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I think one of the most obvious lessons out of this Offseason is that Chip won’t settle for “OK” at the QB position. He won’t stop looking for new QBs until he found someone who he thinks he can win the SB with.
And I’m happy about that. The Bengals have such a quality roster, if they would just show big balls and improve their QB position, they could be really dangerous.
This article is a little bit older, but it still nails it: http://nflphilosophy.com/qb-purgatory/
Chip won’t go down that road, altough, to be fair, it’s more easy for him than, let’s say Lewis, because his team can score points even with Sanchez as QB. Offense is his strenght.
But when the Playoffs are near and you play quality opponents, I think Chip saw you need special talent at the QB position. “OK” isn’t good enough against the Seahawks.
Now, I’m with you, I hope Bradford is that guy. Hell, it would have been great if Chip thought Foles was that guy. But I like the approach: if you have doubts, just look for another QB. Don’t give a long term commitment until you KNOW you have a true Franchise QB.
161 Anders said at 2:07 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I love the principal behind the theory of QB purgatory.
162 bill said at 3:23 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I love the principle behind the theory of destroying talented young QBs by drafting them onto bad teams and putting the pressure of the world on them from day 1 of their NFL careers.
163 Dominik said at 3:40 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I love the theory that you won’t win a SB with Andy Dalton.
But that doesn’t mean you can’t find a Franchise QB outside of the Top 5.
164 bill said at 3:51 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Ehhh. “Won’t” or “can’t” are too strong. Doug Williams, Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer all won SBs. Dan Marino never did. Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick came very close.
Is it unlikely? Yep. Highly unlikely? Yep. But football, even today, is about more than any 1 position. I hate watching bad teams burn through talented QB prospects as much as hate watching bad QBs hold back talented rosters. It’s gotta be a holistic vision – which is why I trust Chip, for now. He’s constantly articulating a holistic vision for team building.
165 Dominik said at 3:54 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Johnson and Dilfer had historic Defenses. The Bengals could even be capable of that, altough I don’t see it. But: Dalton isn’t exactly making the life easier for the Bengals.
166 Brian Pillion said at 5:55 PM on March 19th, 2015:
While I get your point, Dilfer was still a 6th overall pick, and Williams 17th.
167 GEAGLE said at 2:16 PM on March 19th, 2015:
i think he isnt willing to settle for “ok” with the team in general, not just the QB position…. If Chip kelly had a bomb squad 2000 Ravens team on his hands with a historic defense that didnt let you cross center field and a crap offense with a game manager who would throw it up to TE Sharpe who would make 2 big plays that are enough to win them the game all the way to the superbow, I think Chip would be fine with his OK QB… He seems like an equal opportunity ass kicker who juyst wants to win, no matter how…
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i dont at all think that chip just wont settle for ok, so as soon as he realized Nick would just be ok he got rid of him… I dont believe that at all…. I believe that until we build a superbowl winner, Chip will ALWAYS LOOK TO UPGRADE. and if he feels there is a chance to upgrade a player, i believe he wont be afraid to make the tough decision…. I dont think it was a case of chip getting rid of Foles no matter what this offseason.. Its not a case of Chip making a lateral move just to get rid of Nicvk because he was only OK. Its not like he just decided he wasnt great enough and dumped him for Kurt Cousin, or Glennon, or Mettenberg…. I think Chip Kelly GENUINLY view Sam as the more talented skill set. If an opportunity presented itself to get a more talented skill set, chip took it…. i dont think it was ever a case of “we gotta get rid of Nick at all costs this offseason”
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..we wont be afraid to make tough decisions..and until we win a superbowl i dont know that anyone is safe…… Connar Barwin is awesomne, we just gave him a raise… Next week, if Chip is offered Justin HOUSTON for Barwin straight up, I think Chip would make the trade and take the upgrade… until we have a superbowl team we cant be afraid of taking an upgrade when it presents itself..
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There is little doubt that bradford has a better skillset then Nick,…bradford isnt a guy who became the #1 pick because he had this mike Vick athleticism. he was a top rated QB because he has the size, the arm, the release, some brains, big game experience…he is an upgrade accept for in terms of ACL’s…
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I dont think we would have dumped Nick for Kurt Cousin if that was the best we could get for Nick… I dont think we would dump Barwin for Bjoern Werner, because Barwin isnt the elite of elite… we are more then happy with Barwin, but if an opportunity to upgrade come up, if it fits, we wont be afraid to take it
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thats my understanding of what happened
168 Dominik said at 2:46 PM on March 19th, 2015:
“I dont think we would have dumped Nick for Kurt Cousin if that was the best we could get for Nick…”
Of course not. But if Chip would have got nothing in return for Nick (and Cousins is basically nothing) while he’s sold that Nick isn’t good enough, in his opinion, he would have drafted a QB and let Nick be the backup.
And while I think Chip is looking for an upgrade everywhere, like any reasonable GM, I think the QB position is special for him. Again, like it’s special for everyone working in the NFL.
Difference is: not everybody is ok with letting a QB go who had a 27/2 season two years ago. Chip believes in himself and his scheme. This doesn’t have to be a good thing, don’t get me wrong. But I still like the approach.
169 GEAGLE said at 2:50 PM on March 19th, 2015:
FAIR ENOUGH…
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think every move we make is with upgrading in mind. we lost herremans, now it looks like our OL got worse, but in the end I bet this will be an upgrade, or Herremans would still be here
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hopefully he gets his guys in place ASAP, because they will need to gel together for a year or two before we can ever go all the way… basically I strongly believe in Joe Banners interpretation of chip, and I dont think i ever agreed with that crust old dude before..Think Banners thoughts on chip were excellent
170 botto said at 1:57 PM on March 19th, 2015:
since chip says he thinks mm can and will win multiple super bowls he might be the only guy chip will stick with for years if he were to get him.
and if the coach thinks that, then who am I to argue? its his team… and we do want the multiple superbowls for sure.
171 GEAGLE said at 3:13 PM on March 19th, 2015:
people are out of their minds…. thinking we traded for Bradford to get Mariota… there is NOTHING that could happen to make people not try to pretend that what happened is a set up to get Mariota… jesus christ could get sick of hearing the media crap, show up in fans living room and tell them straight up that mariota wont be an eagle, and we would end up flipping it thinking that Obviously jesus must be in on the smokescreen too
and that its a real sign that we are getting Marcus smh..
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we traded for Bradford, immediately putting us a 2nd round pick in the hole so that we can use Sam as the ultimate trade chip? why because the pathetic Browns wanted him? if a team wanted Bradford enough to let us trade up into the top 10 for Bradford, Im sure that team would have liked him enough to get in the bidding and try to trade the Rams for Bradford…that didnt happen. obviously no one wanted him that bad and there was no crazy bidding war if the compensation associated with the trade was the 19th pick from the Browns or Foles and a 2nd…. sound like there was another team bidding on him that wants him so bad that they would let us trade up to like #2 or #1 if we included Bradford? lol…. is chip really the type to trick demarco into signing with us under false pretenses knowing he is planning on trading his QB Bradford away a month later? and then use Bradford to actively recruit Demarco? does chip seem that slimey to you? I WISH!!! seems to me like chip conducts business with class, how can I possibly think he would trick a player to signing with us like that?
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i just need to be resigned to the fact that there isnt anything anyone can say or make anyone do to stop the ridiculous MM rumors….. i wonder what next offseason will be like when there is no “chip kellys dream QB” aka Johnny Manziel in the draft? or Chip’s “Peyton Manning Brain” Mariota in next years draft? wonder what next offseason will be like when people are running out of too obvious dots to try and connect…. Cardale Jones? lol… I assume that there has to be a level that we reach where we can finally accept he doesnt care if you run fast….there has to be…
172 GEAGLE said at 3:21 PM on March 19th, 2015:
thinking we traded for Sam to trade for MM is basically like saying that you are convinced that The Bucs, The Titans,Skins,Jets whoever the hell we are supposedly trading with to get MM would not only want Bradford so bad that they are willing to give up there chance to draft a top 5 talent, but that also would mean that on top of all the draft picks we have to give them to make them give us their pick, they would be comfortable with Bradfords Knee to piss away a top 5 pick, and on top of all the picks we have to give them, they would prefer getting Bradford in return, instead of getting Foles and an extra 2nd round pick….because if not, we could have just used Foles and the 2nd to directly trade up to #2, #1 or whatever nonsense delusional people want to continue to go with…
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there officially isnt anything that can happen or that anyone can say to make this nonsense stop….so I guess there is nothing to do but Endure it and hope that the draft gets here soon so we can put his behind us, just like we had to wait til last years draft to put the BS notion that Manziel was chips dream QB to rest….
173 Dominik said at 3:39 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I think most fans put the assumption to bed that we’re going to trade up to #2. Whatever Chip is telling the media, he called TEN and asked. Probably the Buccs, too. I would bet everything on that. Didn’t like the price – at all. So he looked around elsewhere.
What you, on the other hand, can’t rule out is Mariota falling. To pick 10 would be interesting. Chip liked how the Rams handled the trade, compared to the Bills, maybe he likes to deal with them.
If Mariota is on the board after the Jets have picked, everything can happen. But if Mariota doesn’t drop, my money would be on Bradford.
There is an outside chance, imo, that a deal with the Jets is negotiated if Mariota is on board at 6. But I wouldn’t be sure about that, it’s just possible, imo.
174 botto said at 3:40 PM on March 19th, 2015:
the reason the nonsense won’t stop is the head coach coached the guy and then says he will win multiple super bowls.
so does chip want to win a super bowl?
yes?
ok then would he want a guy he think can win multiple super bowls?
yes?
ok then will he maybe just maybe try to do what he can to get a guy that he thinks can win the super bowl?
yes?
ok then.
the logic is not too hard to follow
and by the way it’s Chips fault not the media….
175 GEAGLE said at 5:42 PM on March 19th, 2015:
LOL your logic is a figment of your imagination… better accept the SUMMER OF SAM!!!!
176 botto said at 6:05 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I like sam, I am perfectly happy with him as our qb and not going for MM.
its not me though who makes the decisions, its the coach who claims MM will win the superbowl, and who also wants to win one himself.
177 GEAGLE said at 6:18 PM on March 19th, 2015:
chip kelly said MM is going to win a superbowl? why couldnt he win a national championship?
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the problems is for 3 years now fans have been cloaking THEIR WANTS in “what chip wants to do”… every year people like you say what Chip will do, and its NEVER true,… he didnt trade Foles his first year because he ran too slow, he didnt draft his “dream QB” last year who chip proclaimed he “Loved” Manziel when he fell into his lap…. Fan WANTS always get Masked into “what Chip wants this time of year”, but chip doesnt give a crap what you want, he doesnt give a crap about what you think he wants…. he will do what he feels is best for the team…. and I look forward to finding out what that is…. out of curiousity, this time every year fans/media make some assumption that is repeated over and over until we believe its what chip actually wants..then when we find out what chip REALLY WANTS, it NEVER MATCHES the Fan assumption… yet for a 3rd year fans reach this consensus assumption that they are convinced they know what chip wants because he talked up his former college QB….. i remember how much Coach Marone talked up his college QB and everyone penciled in Nassib going to the bills… reality went a little different, Marone passes on his college coach he spent months gushing about publically and drafted EJ Manuel
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every single offseason our media things they have figured out what chip wants, and what will happen til they convince themselves and fans that its reality, and it always turns out to be false, takes a certain amount of Hubris to AGAIN think that its SOOOOO OBVIOUS wHAT cHIP WANTS THAT our entire media and Fanbase thinks they know what he is going to do…. media/famns NEVER been right before in the offseason, why would you think the over simplified view the media has reached will be true this year? l
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at somne point fans are going to have to stop passing off their WANTS and Their EXPECTATIONS as what Chip is planning on doing….. when the media and fan consensus predicts chip right 1 single time, maybe then I’ll believe the simplistic assumptions they make
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cant wait to find out EXACTLY what Chip wants to do… i expect some confused upset fans who will be stuck having to
178 botto said at 7:30 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I said he wants to win a superbowl, I have a feeling you think he wants that too….
I was just saying he said MM would win multiple super bowls so it wouldn’t be crazy for him to want to get him would it?
I don’t want him.
im ready for bradford 2015 no doubt.
lets get this going already.
179 anon said at 4:55 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Once the saints cut breeze. I’m sure we can extend Peyton’s career w our sports science.
180 Anders said at 1:25 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Regarding the draft, one WR I do not get isnt ranked higher in general is Chris Conley and I do not get why Breshard Perriman is considered borderline 1st round talent and Conley is like late day 2 pick.
181 Javi Echie said at 1:41 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Conley is a combine superstar that put on a show yet didn’t put much production on tape while in college. He never had more then 700 yards in a season in college and he played 4 years.
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Perriman on the other hand only caught 50 balls last year, yet he parlayed that into 1044 yards and 9 tds. That alone will have him ranked much higher then Conley.
182 Anders said at 1:45 PM on March 19th, 2015:
So screw the film, but only draft based on numbers? Conley is an impressive WR who was stuck in a run first offense with terrible QB.
Just the little there is availible on draftbreakdown.com of both, I cant see why Perriman is so much better than Conley and Conley has a few things I really value such as great ability to catch with his hands, high point a ball and make crazy contested catches.
183 Javi Echie said at 1:50 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Terrible QB? He played with Aaron Murray for 3 years and Murray was an All-American so you’re wrong on that. Where are all these RAC ability and make crazy contested catches in 4 years of college? If he’s so good why didn’t he put up more then 700 yards. The 2nd string receiver on Georgia Tech can put up more then that and they run the triple option. Cmon dude don’t fall in love with Mike Mamula combine heroes especially ones who don’t put shit on tape to back up anything.
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I am not saying he will or wont be a good pro but your point is terrible that just because he had a good combine that he should be considered better then a player who actually put it together on the field.
184 Anders said at 1:59 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I do not consider 50 catches for 1000 yards putting it together on the field and Perriman didnt show anything for me why he should be a 1st round WR.
I think Conley is an early 3rd round WR and I think Perriman should be late 2nd.
185 Javi Echie said at 2:03 PM on March 19th, 2015:
50 catches for 1044 yards averages to about 21 yards a catch which is very impressive and the year before he went for 39 catches for 800 yards which equates to about the same 21 yards a catch.
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I totally agree with you on the point that in no way should Perriman be a first round pick unless there is a run on wideouts that pushes him up, definitely agree with you on the mid to low 2nd round for him and Conley is perfect in the 3rd.
186 GermanEagle said at 6:55 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Mayock begs to differ…
187 RC5000 said at 4:57 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Give it up, you’re all over the place.Comparing Conley and anyone that has a good combine to Mamula, give it the hell up. My God, he was a high pick. it’s ancient history. I am so effing sick of that tired lazy ass cliche
188 Javi Echie said at 4:59 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I’m all over the place yet you come with a comment that has no input into the conversation. Just shut up cause you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. Get your knowledge up then come back and talk to me champ.
189 Insomniac said at 6:21 PM on March 19th, 2015:
It’s hard to tell you from what I see on Conley since there’s not much tape on him so I’ll just link you to someone who did more research (yes i know it’s BR lol).
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2375644-georgia-football-chris-conleys-breakout-performance-at-combine-was-no-surprise
190 Javi Echie said at 6:25 PM on March 19th, 2015:
lol You lost all credibility when you linked me to a BR article. lol I’m kidding.
191 404Birdfan said at 8:04 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I have seen every game Conley has played the past 4 years. There are a few factors you are overlooking or not aware of. Firstly, Tavares King in 2012 is the only UGA player to put up more than 700 yards. Over Conley’s time, UGA passed the ball an average of 400 times a year, while rushing it approx 540 times a year. So it comes down to usage for UGA WR’s, because they also heavily feature their TE’s and RB’s in the passing game. Over his 4 years there, Conley accounted for 12% of the teams receptions (15% and 17% in ’13 and ’14 when he was the leading receiver), 17% of their TD’s and 15% of their yards (his 657 yds in 2014 accounted for 25% of the teams total receiving yards). If you take his usage % over his last two years and blend them with the Eagles reception, yardage and TD stats from 2014 you can see a better picture. Those numbers would be 61 catches, 962 yards and 6 TD’s. I am in no way saying that those are the numbers he would put up in the NFL. That would have basically made him the #2/3 receiver on the team. But what these numbers do show is the potential for production with limited usage in the offense overall. Another thing that is interesting about Conley are his workout numbers. We all saw the 4.35 at the combine, but coming out of high school he was a 4.5 guy. This shows how hard he’s worked over the past four years while also adding 25-30 pounds to his frame. All this to say, Conley will never be a #1 option, but he is a guy that can be a solid #2 or #3 and coming from a run first system, he’s a good blocker and doesn’t need a lot of targets or touches to be productive. I think Perriman is a stud, but he was also they only guy in his system, whereas Conley was one of many on a UGA squad that loads up yearly on 4 and 5 star players. This is why most UGA players on both sides of the ball normally end up having better NFL careers than college careers. A great example is Marlon Brown. He has more catches in 2 years with the Ravens than he had his entire UGA career. A little closer to home, Brandon Boykin never had more than 3 interceptions in any season at UGA, but he had 6 in just 2013. I think Conley will get a similiar bump if he ends up in the right situation.
192 BreakinAnklez said at 4:04 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Conley had some injury issues as well. Stats don’t tell all. Hell, Calvin Johnson only had 1 +1,000 yard season.
193 RC5000 said at 4:48 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Conley was in a run heavy offense. He averaged 18 yards a catch with 8 TDs. He can go up for the ball and he can extend for catches.
I’m not comparing him to Perriman but Conley could be a nice pickup in late 3rd to 4th round but don’t just go by stats alone and imply he’s just a combine guy.
194 Insomniac said at 6:12 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Conley offers little in terms of YAC. That’s why Perriman is rated higher than he is.
195 OregonDucker said at 2:34 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Bucs are looking for an OL and ILB. Know anybody?
196 Dominik said at 2:38 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Lane? Come on. Or do you mean Mathis? Depends on the position, I guess. 🙂
197 Anders said at 2:40 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I think he is referring to Kendricks and Mathis
198 OregonDucker said at 2:40 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Mathis is a possibility, as are a couple of LB names. But they really need a QB. Some Buc fans are souring on Winston, even calling for Mariota. So I gather that Bucs, Titans and Browns could be in play. Although we all know that Bradford is the franchise QB for the next 1,000 years. 🙂
199 Dominik said at 2:51 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I think Kendricks would be great for the Buccs. The MLB in the Tampa 2 has to be very fast and good in zone –> Kendricks
I just hope that if Chip trades Kendricks, he gets something in return. And not just one 2nd round pick.
200 GEAGLE said at 2:54 PM on March 19th, 2015:
think Kendricks would be even better for the eagles..
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Makes no sense… why wouldnt 4-3 Bucs want Vinny Curry more then Kendricks? DE way more valuable then ILB… why wouldnt eagles be more willing to trade Vinny since its easier to justify us paying as 3down ILB?
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the fact that this isnt considered makes me believce we are only hearing Kendricks name because some dumb media hack is connecting the dots that Meco is still here so he made this crap up… because if we were negotiating to give up young players to tampa, im sure we would try to send curry and boykin before Kendricks because I know there isnt a coach in the NFL that will go into next seaspn with 31yr old meco 10 months removed from surgery as your day 1 starter…
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if I heard curry and Boykins name, I would believe it much more… the fact that I hear kendricks, tells me its made up by some jackass who doesnt realize that Meco is still here for a courtusy and for his leadership, not because we intend to start him…smh fanboy media
201 Dominik said at 3:05 PM on March 19th, 2015:
He doesn’t have to be better for us than for the Buccs. Just give my Mykal in Week 1 and I’m happy.
But if you’re selling him because of contract time, please don’t sell low. That’s all I’m saying. And for a 2nd rounder who turned out to be good, I want more than one 2nd rounder, to be honest.
202 GEAGLE said at 3:30 PM on March 19th, 2015:
i dont understand losing him… I understand making tough decisions letting go of people we are fond of to UPGRADE the position, but I dont unerstand what more you could possibly want then a Mykal/Kiko tandem? how do you upgrade that?…..I also happen to know that chip is extremely high on Kendricks, atleast he was, I dont know if something changed.. but I remember chip talking about the conundrum that he is so damn good that you want to use him as a bltzer, you want to have him in coverage, you want to do this with him, you want to do that, but there is only one of him and he can only be used in one way on each play,… sounded to me like chip wished he had 2 or 3 Mykal Kendricks… now he doesw with the addition of kiko and im supposed to believe that we will piss that away?… i dont buy it… THAT i will have to see, to believe… Think The Bucs or the Titans would jump at the chance to get Vinny Curry if we offered him in a trade…. if the trade up for MM involving some of our players was real, I assume the names i would be hearing would be Boykin and Curry
203 wee2424 said at 4:30 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Let’s just pray he doesn’t trade Kendricks. And I’m sure Kendricks is praying he doesn’t go to the Bucs. I think the trade speculation regarding him is 100% false. Ryan’s is not going to be even close to full strength when TC or the beginning of the season starts. Even a much younger Alonso has admitted he is not 100% right now. Ryan’s will be very expensive insurance in case Kendricks or Alonso is hurt later in the season. If you trade Kendricks who is going to be your other ILB next to Alonso when the season starts? Brad Jones? Doubt it. Kelly knows he has injured and injury prone ILBs right now. That’s why Ryan’s is still here. Not to trade Kendricks.
204 RobNE said at 5:56 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Goode.
205 wee2424 said at 7:22 PM on March 19th, 2015:
You mean the other ILB that tore his ACL and hasn’t really shown on the field yet what his name implies?
206 Bert's Bells said at 2:53 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Doesn’t matter what some Bucs fans think.
Every indication is that the team brass is sold on Winston. Not that they won’t go in another direction -it’ll have nothing to do with bloggers and radio call in if they do.
207 Bert's Bells said at 2:53 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Doesn’t matter what some Bucs fans think.
Every indication is that the team brass is sold on Winston. Not that they won’t go in another direction -it’ll have nothing to do with bloggers and radio call in if they do.
208 anon said at 4:41 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Heard concern from Bucs that Mariota is to soft spoken vs Winston who is very charismatic, leads a huddle, etc. titans working out Winston.
209 botto said at 5:07 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I agree with that, he is kind of a dolt in interviews
210 Media Mike said at 5:09 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Winston is already an expert in deceiving people in interviews however. How many times has he successfully evaded punishment for raping that girl?
211 botto said at 6:17 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I heard that!
212 GEAGLE said at 3:33 PM on March 19th, 2015:
doubt a 34yr old guard would be added into a trade for the top pick in the draft…
213 Dominik said at 3:51 PM on March 19th, 2015:
He probably wouldn’t be a dealbreaker, though. 😉
214 GEAGLE said at 3:01 PM on March 19th, 2015:
LOL funny
215 ACViking said at 3:21 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Belichick — 3 way player: OL/ILB/scout
216 D3FB said at 4:49 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I’m having a stroke if I have to play both ways.
217 ACViking said at 3:22 PM on March 19th, 2015:
You’re keeping the rowers very pumped
218 Media Mike said at 4:20 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Dennis Kelly and DeMeco Ryans.
219 MagsDaffyDilly said at 9:42 PM on March 19th, 2015:
How about a Matthews?
220 ACViking said at 3:19 PM on March 19th, 2015:
. . . Tessio was always smarter.
221 anon said at 4:56 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Browns sign dwayne bowe. FA officially over. draft is so far away……..
222 anon said at 4:59 PM on March 19th, 2015:
James Casey still unemployed, do we resign?
223 Bert's Bells said at 5:53 PM on March 19th, 2015:
At this point, he’ll probably wait it out into training camp figuring some team will come up with the a need at TE.
Even at the vet minimum he’s redundant in Philly.
224 unhinged said at 4:59 PM on March 19th, 2015:
NO has two1st round picks and this guy predicts Drew Brees will go to Jets if Mariota lasts that long. I’d be curious to know Payton’s assessment of MM and Winston, I’d be surprised if he valued MM higher.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000480135/article/reckless-shekulation-on-chip-kelly-marcus-mariota-much-more
225 anon said at 5:01 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I didn’t even think of that. Saints have to eat $33m in dead money to move him.
226 Media Mike said at 5:01 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Eat $33 million? Wow, Jones Burger.
227 anon said at 5:04 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Wouldn’t be terrible for jets though — jets have good weapons.
228 Alistair Middlemiss said at 5:05 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Jets could be favourites in the AFC – there are no great teams and their defence will be legit – they have weapons now – draft a couple of OL and a RB and you have a SB roster.
229 botto said at 5:08 PM on March 19th, 2015:
NO picking off our guys again….
230 Alistair Middlemiss said at 5:09 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Actually looking at it Bree’s would not be that bad to trade – as he has $19mil in guaranteed salary which would not be dead money if traded – so would make cap space – and would free them from the cap hell they are in this year – and next.
231 Alistair Middlemiss said at 5:04 PM on March 19th, 2015:
NO would have to cut Jahri evens and restructure more contracts to deal with the dead money hit of trading Bree’s. It is possible but very very hard just from a cap perspective – http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints
The team making a big trade that makes a lot more sense would be the Titans trading no.2 for Rivers. There are contract issues with Rivers and he would go home to local area AND has worked with the head coach in 2013.
232 Bert's Bells said at 5:30 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Plus the Titans are in a shitty division and could compete for a playoff spot pretty easily.
233 OldDuckMcDoc said at 5:58 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Have you seen their roster? Might be the worst in football. They’re a long way from competing for a divisional title, even in the AFCS.
234 Bert's Bells said at 6:49 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Ha! You’re probably right. I just know the South is pretty wretched.
235 OldDuckMcDoc said at 6:52 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Oh, completely agree. TENN’s roster is just Faces of Death level hideous is all.
236 unhinged said at 8:40 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Evans in at RG works for me. I don’t think there is anything to this fantasy, but NO has gotten everybody’s attention lately, and Brees is the elephant in the room. Your scenario is definitely more credible, but the urgency to deal with Brees sooner rather than later is greater.
237 Insomniac said at 6:22 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Cooks pt.2 + 3. Who will NO steal from us now?
238 OldDuckMcDoc said at 7:04 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Sproles.
239 ICDogg said at 7:08 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Since I think most teams suspect that Chip Kelly really, really wants to make a trade up for Mariota, they will be leaking that they plan on selecting him.
240 unhinged said at 8:31 PM on March 19th, 2015:
This wasn’t a leak or a prediction really. More of an outrageous deduction from NO’s dramatic blood-letting. The Brees’ cap hit is mind-numbing, and numbed minds tend to go for another hit.
241 ICDogg said at 7:02 PM on March 19th, 2015:
http://www.joebucsfan.com/2015/03/they-are-not-big-fans-of-his-personality/
242 GermanEagle said at 7:09 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Gotta agree with that assessment that could be a problem down the line in the NFL.
243 Greg Richards said at 7:10 PM on March 19th, 2015:
LOL. Mild-mannered nice guy for QB? Screw that! We want the alpha dog, the guy secure enough to stand up in a crowd and throw out racial insults, brave enough to steal from a supermarket, man enough to dominate a woman(allegedly).
244 GermanEagle said at 7:26 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I wouldn’t touch Winston at all, but I can see that Mariota’s quiet and introvert personality could be an issue if things don’t go well in a season.
245 MagsDaffyDilly said at 9:40 PM on March 19th, 2015:
One of his teammates, on defense, was on NFL Network yesterday. He stated that Marcus has no problem suggesting, in the locker room, that the other players get their head in the game, even on the defensive side.
246 anon said at 10:57 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Or depending on the people that are in your huddle, couldn’t imagine him trying to deal with dez when he’s raging. or djax when he’s raging.
maybe that’s the reason for the #culture moves on the eagles.
247 MagsDaffyDilly said at 9:39 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I really can’t see Tom telling Giselle what to do!
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249 anon said at 8:40 PM on March 19th, 2015:
49ers lose another LB (acl injury). we can def get a 1st for kendricks. We could probably even move Meco for picks at this point.
250 unhinged said at 8:52 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I’d rather get SF’s first next year because they will lose a bunch of games. But I’d really hate to lose Kendricks.
251 NinjaP said at 9:26 PM on March 19th, 2015:
doubt we get more than a second for him
252 Insomniac said at 9:31 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Who will replace Kendricks though?
253 Charlie Kelly said at 11:33 PM on March 19th, 2015:
that guy named kiko
254 Greg Richards said at 9:33 PM on March 19th, 2015:
There are still quite a few serviceable ILBs on the market: Mason Foster, Nate Irving, Joe Mays to name a few.
255 GermanEagle said at 7:13 AM on March 20th, 2015:
Doubt the Niners will give up their #15 for Kendricks if they can draft one of the top 4 LBs with their own pick..
256 ICDogg said at 8:54 PM on March 19th, 2015:
https://twitter.com/JeopardySports/status/577569326917636096
257 the midatlantic said at 8:58 PM on March 19th, 2015:
This stuff about Tebow never struck me as funny.
258 MagsDaffyDilly said at 9:37 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Not to sound stuffy but refraining from sexual activity doesn’t mean you’re afraid of it. I can see where there could be a little humour in the comment, but not much. I’ve seen him throw a forward pass!
259 unhinged said at 9:04 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I wonder if Baltimore’s recent policy of zero tolerance for law violations by roster members will be a trend. I think it gives them some moral credibility, which will make Cincy and possibly even NE look bad by comparison. The Jaguars grabbed Bernard Pierce as soon as he became available, and the Ravens just cut ties with him because he had a DUI. That just makes Jags’ owner look cheap, because he can find a clean RB in the draft.
260 anon said at 9:23 PM on March 19th, 2015:
No. it’s an easy way to cut underperforming players. they kept will hill
261 BreakinAnklez said at 9:58 PM on March 19th, 2015:
Signed Will Hill after he got in trouble but before Ray Rice. Will Hill has been a saint since he got there.
262 Greg Richards said at 9:32 PM on March 19th, 2015:
They’ll only have credibility if they apply the same threshold to high salary players whose cut would have adverse salary cap consequences. It’s easy to cut a player still on their rookie contracts. Would they be so quick to release if Joe Flacco or Terrell Suggs had a DUI?
263 A_T_G said at 10:28 PM on March 19th, 2015:
I want it to work that way, too, but it doesn’t. It only works until the team loses, then the narrative changes. Either the owner is too rigid and old fashioned, or the coach is inflexible, or the front office is using excuses to cut salary, or…
We all learned from the movies that the high moral good guys win in the end, so when the team doesn’t win, people assume they weren’t high morals after all.
264 ICDogg said at 9:30 PM on March 19th, 2015:
@dallascowboys Now two women beaters on y'all's team.— Cameron (@Camadelphiia) March 18, 2015
265 Charlie Kelly said at 11:31 PM on March 19th, 2015:
only vet WRs id think theyd consider is greg jennings and nate washington.