Tuesday Night Stuff
Posted: March 24th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 489 Comments »Jeff Lurie spoke at the owners meetings out in Arizona. Right now PE.com only has some snippets up. I want to wait until I can see the whole thing before writing a lot about his comments. I read a lot of the comments on Twitter as he made them, but I’m hoping to see full video so I can hear everything in complete context.
Lurie said a lot of interesting things. I’m looking forward to seeing the whole video.
The biggest takeaway from the video linked above is that Lurie wasn’t afraid to take chances, whether it meant shaking up how things ran in the front office or key personnel decisions. He doesn’t want to be “risk averse”. And I completely agree with that.
I’ve preached all offseason that the Eagles should be aggressive. They have to let Chip do things his way. You don’t hire Chip Kelly and then ask him to be conventional. That just doesn’t work.
Those of you who don’t like Chip as much as me get frustrated when I write this. You want him to do things that make sense to you. I get the mentality, but I look at things differently. I’m always trying to figure out what makes Chip see things differently. His moves are done for a reason. Rather than just disagree, I prefer to try to understand them.
Chip obviously explained his ideas well to Lurie and this offseason has been one bold move after another. Time will be the best judge of what was smart and what wasn’t.
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ILB Casey Matthews signed with the Vikings.
He never panned out the way anyone hoped, but Matthews was a solid STer and became an effective backup ILB. I give the guy credit for carving out a career for himself.
Remember Juan Castillo explaining the value of dinner at the Matthews household? Wow. That seems like an eternity ago.
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If you hate NFL Network analyst Heath Evans, and all good human beings do, you will love this BGN piece. Evans ran his mouth on Twitter and Malcolm Jenkins shut him up.
As Tony Bruno would say…”Beautiful.”
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Evans and others like him keep knocking Chip’s “system” or “scheme”. There is nothing wrong with Chip’s planning. The problem in the first 2 years has been execution. Remaking the offense this off-season should greatly improve execution, moving the ball more efficiently, leading to less time on the field for the defense. If the D can STOP the opposing team more often, that would be a big help! The naysayers simply don’t want to see what is right in front of their eyes.
To me this team is mostly going to be built on offense and to do that we better have a top offensive line. That will make bad receivers tolerable. That will make our running backs dominate games. That will keep our quarterback clean so he can make plays. And that will make our defense less tragic.
If SB is better than Foles, than the QB will make those receivers look better as well. Questions: Is SB better than Foles? Can he stay healthy?
People really suffer from recency bias in relation to the ‘injury prone’ discussion. Nobody was seriously worried wether Maclin could stay healthy next year even though he has also had two ACLs. And tearing an ACL is usually not something that just happens to injury prone players because they are injury prone. Its a product of unfortunate events that could happen to any player. Having had two ACLs does not nessecarily mean that you are “injury prone”. With the high random possiblity of injury that is a fact in this sport it could just as well mean that the same player was simply unlucky two times in a row. It happens. The sample size is way to small to deduce that injured players are more prone than others going forward. Of course this is assuming that they make a full recovery. This didn’t use to be norm for ACLs, but these days that is a much more probable outcome. In the case that Bradfords knee has been properly repaired, healed and rehabbed (and I am assuming they checked this out thoroughly before the trade) I am actually not more concerned with an injury to Sam Bradford than I would be an injury to Nick Foles, Eli Manning, Tony Romo or RGIII.
TBF, Mac didn’t have it an consecutive years. That’s my worry. Mac I think had one in college and one in the pros. But point taken.
From what my doc tells me (I have knee surgeries from time to time) it is actually more important how old you are. Especially if there is cartlidge damage. Older players heal slower and not as well as youngsters. But then again there is Peters, who tore his Achilles twice in the same year at the age of 30. The second time was when he fell off his scooter! But nobody was talking about him being injury prone when they have him the big extension.. So Ya. I think these injuries are a lot more about players being just really unlucky and basic chance. With so many injuries happening, someone has to be the one getting hit several times over.
I think on a pure natural talent stand point the answer is yes, SB is better then Foles. The thing is he just has to stay healthy to put it together. SBs injury history is alarming. More alarming then Foles, but alot of people do act as though we gave up a QB that doesn’t get injured alot for one that does. That’s not true. The fact is that Foles has a not so good injury history to.
doubt our OL will be bad or average… its everything to chip. A coaching Philosophy that is at risk to have 3 and outs that last a total of 50 seconds. coaching Philosophy that devalues time of possession doesnt have the luxury of just having a good OL. It needs to build a top OL…. OL can have too much of a negative impact on the rest of our team so its hard for me to fathom chip not fielding a top OL next year
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the man knows his strengths and weakness of his schemes. He knows he can build the best defense, but it wont matter if the Offense is going 3 and out in 50 seconds..he chooses to run an offense that when it struggles can put an enormous amount of pressure on the Defense, so Im convinced he is smart enough to know that nothing matters if his OL is average….
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especially after what he had to sit thru last year, I doubt this man will skimp our OL. he watched a top NFL RB have games where he could barely gain 50 yards because the OL struggled so bad. He chose not to run the ball on the goal line in crunch time of two of our loses because his OL was so horrible…
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I certainly dont see any chance in hell that a coach dumps so much into the RB position, and trades for a QB with major durability concerns and stick some average OL in front of them in september… I would be way more worried about us going into a season without a safety, or without proven veteran WR’s… but I dont even think its possible for chip to go into a season without a really high level OL. Basically I think the only time we will ever see an average to poor OL under chip is if it gets ravaged by insane amount of injuries… when we see the other pieces of the puzzle I assume we will be looking at a high caliber starting OL
Chip said they aren’t actively shopping Mathis, but gave his agent (Rosenthal) the permission to seek for a trade. Of course, it could be only coaches speak, but I really hope Chip not only talks, but thinks this way.
If you get something in return – trade him. If not – keep him. Only thing that would be really f*cked up is a release.
The saddest thing about Heath Evans is that I’d say he’s running the troll angle to drive viewership, but I think he’s just too goddamned stupid to do that.
I think Heath Evans might be a true example of how much a toll playing football can take on the head/brain.
That might just be the best explanation. He can’t process the complexity of chips brain. Or Bryans what he reads on nfl.com
This fucking guy. I hope somebody shoves something in his mouth when we win it all.
Rewatching season in All-22 and just finished the Jags game. Forgot how terrible foles looked and it is worse when you see all the recievers running wide open down the field that he ignores. It doesn’t seem like he moved past read #2 for the entire game. Jags played us Cover 1 or Cover 3 most of the game. The few times that they went Cover 2, they got beat up in the run game or deep over the middle. Looking forward to seeing how much teams avoided 2-high looks after seeing tape from this game.
On the other side of the ball, Front 7 very disruptive and never let Gerhart get into rhythm. Secondary played well with the exception of the few big plays. Two major mistakes each by Jenkins and Cary with three for Nate. Fletcher had a pretty good game. Caroll came in and played on the outside for a few drives and didn’t look terrible. Seems like our secondary got too agressive and bit on too many double moves and went low on too many high-lows.
Only guy that seemed to stand out to me on ST was Braman. He alost had two blocked punts.
Yeah, I think most of watched that game and got a feeling of dread when we saw how ineptly Foles was playing.
Did Foles win that game? Did Foles beat Colts? Just asking…
The Eagles won that game, and the Eagles beat the Colts.
With Foles on the sidelines? He was terrible, no question, but he also put it together for some nice drives late in games.
Sure, but being terrible for a large chunk of a game then having a couple good drives – is that good enough?
considering he got beaten into a pulp as soon as the Jags game started,… Yes….. certainly didnt start diving on the ground seeing ghosts like Romo did after we beat the shit out of him.. certainly didnt allow himself to be shut out like Eli did when we beat the shit out of him…put his big boy pants on, dusted himself off and led us to wins…
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and I doubt you have anything to say about the Skins game, EASILY one of my top 10 favorite Eagle QB performances since I have been old enough to remember
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but Foles is no longer our QB, see no need to rip him, or defend him at this point.. i WISH I WISH I WISH that i knew Sam had this quality, and big game 4th quarter QB gene
What was Foles record as a starter?
What was it against good teams?
Do the Colts qualify as good?
What was Vince Young’s record as a starter?
I don’t understand the comparison…
That reminds me, Eli Manning -2 time Super Bowl MVP.
who won the super bowl mvp those 2 games?
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If Nick had 4 INTs returned for touchdowns, but our Defense had 5 INTs returned for touchdowns, and we won, would you say the same thing?
Objectively, Nick sucked in that game. Process over results man, c’mon.
You have to read all comments. As I stated below. He still was bad. No debate there. But he also lead some winning drives.
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Take off the blinders….
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No QB can meet yours(and most others) standards unless they throw 30 for 30 for 10 td’s and go 16-0. Get over it. It’s not going to happen….
I think one of the biggest problems with Foles was consistency. To quote FredEx, “Sometimes he looked like Joe Montana and other times he looked like Ryan Leaf.”
You’re not kidding. Not only would he miss his throw, he missed seeing the other wide open receivers….Worrying about him is no longer our problem. LOL.
Every NFL quarterback misses wide open receivers. On almost every play. There are certainly legitimate criticisms of Foles to be made, but this “he missed open receivers” thing is completely mystifying to me. It’s like saying “he threw incomplete passes”. You can’t play the position without missing receivers at times, the NFL game is too fast and too chaotic not to.
Sam Bradford is our QB now. And since he’s never been anything better than mediocre, and is injury prone to boot, I’d say we have reason to worry.
Sam Bradford was ROY. That’s a little better than mediocre, don’t you think?
“Secondary played well with the exception of the few big plays” — that was the theme all season long. Yes, Nate had like 4 ints — but was brutal twice as many times. Hoping this year the secondary is a bit more consistent.
I don’t really agree with the risk it all because being good is not enough. If you look at the best franchises – they are good over an extended period of time (see steelers/ravens/pats). At times the Ravens did not have the ‘QB’ of the future but they kept slowly improving their roster with good drafts and kept firing at finding a QB. The Pats were ready to win when Brady arrived – same with the Steelers.
The QB was found in the end and was in a position to succeed with a good roster. It took a long time to achieve but long term continuity with slow evolution is more effective than making big knee jerk changes.
I am a big believer in the idea you have to be ‘in it to win it’, the idea that 10-6 is not good enough i think is egregious, because we have seen fringe teams go on and win superbowls. We had a tough schedule last year and chronic OL injuries but still went 10-6, with a good draft and 1-2 FA secondary additions we are a better team and closer. fire off draft picks on a Hundley or Petty and if they don’t work try again next year or when you find someone you like. I like Chip the coach, but he is taking massive risks this off season which may work out – but they could backfire badly and he could find his way out of town in 1-2 years which would be a tragedy because he has the talent to be a SB coach with time.
I agree with you. Same as having a very good QB and saying: well, he hasn’t won a SB yet, we need a new QB because we will never win a SB with him. F.e. Ryan in Atlanta, or, according to Negadelphians, McNabb. If you have a top 10 QB (and I know, that statement can turn out to be a circular argument because, well, how do you know for sure he’s top 10 or even top 5?).
The thing is, if you think 10-6 is the max you can achieve, then you need to make some changes. I’m with you on the small steps to improve your team more and more. You need to be in it to win it. And I actually think that’s what Chip wants to do longterm. But in his opinion, there wasn’t a foundation for a SB team.
Another thing that is important to remember: yeah, Seahawks, Patriots, Ravens, Steelers, they all build great rosters and waited to get their guy at QB. But: Patriots have Belichick, Seahawks have Carroll. Ravens and Steelers always were teams with a defensive identity.
Chip will never field a great Defense. He wants to field a good Defense, but with his core philosophies, you will never have a Seahawks like 300 Yards per game avg or 12 points allowed avg. Can’t happen, won’t happen. The identity of this team will always be Offense as long as Chip is here.
But the thing is, because of Chip, we can go 10-6 with Vick, Foles, Sanchez. It’s kind of the same thing as with the other teams you mentioned. If Chip finds a top 10 QB, the rest of the league will be in trouble.
I’ve always been right with you about Chip’s identity. Until just recently. I’m starting to have a minor impression that Chip is trying to emulate SF and SEA’s model. I think if he sells the farm to get MM, that will make it even more likely.
By SF and SEA “model,” I mean a team that keeps the score low, relies on running the ball A LOT, and only asks the QB to throw for about 200 yards per game. The QB’s running ability is equally important to the passing ability, as the team just isn’t built to score that much, but just enough. Unlike most here, I’m nonplussed by MM’s passing chops. What I’ve watched has me thinking he’s a slightly better passer than Geno Smith, and a much better runner. And I never liked Geno as an NFL level passing prospect.
Obviously, with the up-tempo, it will look a little different, but the concept is still the same – the defense is the engine, and the offense does just enough driving to keep the train on the tracks.
Right now, I still think you’re right, and that Chip’s not following that model. But I can’t say that I’m as convinced as I used to be. Right now, this is a TE and RB centric offense. If you subtract a passer, like Bradford, for a rookie who IMO is more of a runner than a passer, this becomes even more of a run-based offense.
Bradford (2nd rounder), Sanchez (2 contracts), Barkley… that’s enough to convince me that running is just a bonus a QB may or may not have for Chip.
I know Chip lies a lot, but if he will end up with MM, it would be because of his brain, imo.
I agree with you on one thing: I do think Chip wants to throw 18-25 times per game, not 30+. He wants the running game pounding the opponent, then play action.
And I think the passing game will be more over the middle. Sproles, Ertz and Matthews can do damage there, while we don’t have a real outside threat at the moment (if Matthews doesn’t play outside).
I partly agree and partly disagree. I think ultimately it’s subjective as to how close we were or weren’t to a Super Bowl and that apparently Chip did not think he could get the results that he wanted with these players (aside from Maclin who he attempted to re-sign but got outbid.)
I think though that when I look at where we are right now and where we were at the end of the season, it’s hard to see how we’re a better team. This of course ignores the fact that there’s still plenty of offseason left to do more things, but so far it looks somewhat of a mess.
Are we better on defense? Maybe. Our secondary should be a bit better. We have another potentially excellent ILB to add to the mix. But it’s hard for me to look at this defense and have confidence that it is substantially better than it was when we still don’t have a safety and one of our corners will either be a draft pick or a guy who so far has been backup level. And it’s great to get Kiko Alonso if he is going to be healthy, but we don’t really know where that stands right now.
Is our offense better? Well, if Bradford is healthy, perhaps he’s better. The O-line is certainly not better, at least not at the moment. The WRs are worse. The RB’s… maybe better, but that’s also up in the air.
We could well emerge with a better team, with a team better built for what Chip wants to do. I would never question whether he knows what he is doing.
It’s just that so far, I don’t really understand it.
That no one is hurt or suspended right now makes the OL better. Perhaps by a lot.
True, having JP, Kelce, LJ all healthy and not suspended is a huge relief, lol.
That no one is hurt or suspended right now makes the OL better. Perhaps by a lot.
Honestly, I wasn’t all that impressed by Herremans last year, even when he was healthy. Looked like he had already hit the steep decline. I don’t have great confidence in Tobin, but at the very least, the dropoff from 2014 Herremans won’t be significant. And if healthy Tobin takes a step forward? He can definitely be an improvement over 2014 Herremans (for the portion of the season he was healthy).
Other than that little quibble, I agree with your assessment. I’m probably a little higher on the RB situation than you, merely because of scheme fit, but I can’t argue that there aren’t question marks involved.
so you’re traditional. That’s ok. Nothing wrong with it. AR was that way forever and never won anything. I think NE takes risks all the time and is very successful, with repeated success. That’s what we’re looking for here. 10-6 is not good enough — that’s why all the change…
What massive risks has New England taken? Trading Richard Seymour, who quickly proved to be on the decline, for a first round pick?
They build through the draft and smart, high value free agency signings. Seems pretty conventional to me.
Trading away Drew Bledsoe to start a 6th round QB named Tom Brady was a huge risk.
Bringing in Wes Welker from MIA was a risk.
Bringing in Randy Moss from OAK where he appeared to be severely declined / done was a very big risk at the time.
Trading away Randy Moss because he was becoming a discipline problem was a big risk.
Letting Wes Welker walk was a risky move.
Trading away a starting OL in the middle of the year was a pretty big risk.
Bringing in LaGarrette Blount after he flamed out in PIT was risky.
I look at these as risky moves. I guess they could all be seen as shrewd free agency moves as most of these guys were gotten on the cheap and / or released when they were most expensive.
AR never won anything? 6 division titles, 8 playoff appearances, 5 NFCCG appearances, 10 playoff wins, 1 NFC Championship…most wins in Eagles history…
Reid was also not traditional…he did it his way just like Chip has and had tons of success. Hopefully Chip can win us the only thing Reid did not: the SB.
Did you go the parade for each of those wins? NO? Well, that’s because 2nd place, is 1st place for losers. AR didn’t win anything…
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Oh, he did it his own way? What exactly is considered his own way? Hiring an offensive line coach to be the DC? That’s not doing it his own way, it’s doing something stupid. So, do tell, what exactly did AR do ‘out of the box’?
If you truly believe that Reid did not win anything despite the facts, I’m not going to waste much time since you’re obviously well beyond saving….
You must also REALLY dislike Chip since he has only won one division title…lol
Reid had firm beliefs, just like Chip, and, on the offensive side of the ball, they centered around a strong OL, a good QB and a pass attack focused on spreading the ball around to whoever was open. Reid’s offenses were innovative in the screen game, using RB (Westbrook, McCoy) and TE (Lewis, Celek) to bust defenses down the middle and in the deep vertical aspects with WR like Owens, Curtis and Jackson. He drafted the right QB in McNabb (instead of drafting Williams like many wanted or falling for Smith or Couch) and utilized him to turn the Eagles from a joke to a real contender. He also took a big risk in hiring JJ for the defense who was largely unknown and giving him authority on that side of the ball. He also was instrumental in having very good ST units mainly under Harbaugh (but also later) who could help control field position and generate turnovers.
When Reid left Philadelphia, he had amassed the most wins ever by an Eagles coach and stands 4th among active coaches in wins behind Belichek, Fisher and Coughlin. To say Reid has not won anything is not only ignorant, but laughably ignorant.
Saving me? Who are you Jesus Christ? Why do I need saving with not being happy with being mediocre? You’re the one with blinders on. I’m on of this generation where we give out gifts and awards for just participating.
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A quick lesson. AR is the mold of GB coach. HE was the innovator. Not AR. AR was successful year in wins and that’s just ducky. Having the most wins in history is not saying much because there isn’t a lot of winning tradition.
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I know, maybe you were at the parade for the all wins AR has? Oh, that’s right, they still don’t have parades for anybody who does not win the SB.
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That’s all football is about year in and year out. The SB. Thanks for thinking you can save me. SMH.
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Don’t ever list AR with BeliCheater(real innovator) and Coughlin. You can list him with Levy if you’d like, but don’t list him with winners. He himself would be embarrassed….get a grip.
Wow, ignorant and arrogant about it too. Chip Kelly must be, according to your definition, a downright bad coach if Reid is “mediocre”. Think about how silly and nonsensical that is…
Agree. This is not the NBA where getting stuck on a treadmill of a mediocrity is a real risk.
More often than not teams that make spectacular changes in the NFL fail miserably. We need look no further back in our franchise’s history than the “dream team” to be reminded of that. Chip Kelly is not actually trying something new, he’s using an approach to roster building that has tried before and never succeeded to my knowledge. That’s why I think skepticism is the appropriate reaction.
Re Casey Matthews:
Just another draft pick at LB that didn’t pan out since 1999! Here’s hoping the Eagles will hang onto Kendricks.
WTF do you expect out of a 4th round pick no matter what? The fact that a 4th round pick managed to play for 4 years makes him a success
Yeah… I think the biggest thing with Casey Matthews is he should not have been thrown into a starting role in his first season which only highlighted how much he wasn’t ready to play. Once the fans got that impression of him it almost didn’t matter that he was a useful player, if not starting caliber, for us last year.
Or, they shouldn’t have drafted him because of his name hoping they “stole” a guy in that round. it’s great the guy shows up and plays everyday. But there are probably 60+ other lb back ups in the nfl each year that are special teamers too. never anything special about him.
Lol, so Casey Matthews was a success story in Philly?! Give me a break. Normally I expect fuck all from a 4th round pick.
However Casey Mattews will [not] be remembered along all our other [in]glorious LB drafted in rounds 2-4 since 1999:
Keenan Clatyon [4th rd]
Bryan Smith [3rd rd]
Stewart Bradley [3rd rd]
Chris Gocong [3rd rd]
Matt McCoy [2nd rd]
Quinton Caver [2nd rd]
Barry Gardner [2nd rd]
Now some of those had back luck with injuries [Stew], while others were simply not a fit back then [Gocong].
No matter what though the list shows you that the Eagles have not been really lucky with finding the right LBs. And that’s a matter of fact, my friend.
Casey will be remembered as more of a bust because Andy and Juan sang his praises so loudly.
Chargers said they wont rule out trading Phillip Rivers but it would cost multiple first round picks…. Now Rivers is very interesting for me. For starters he is smart and experienced using Tempo under mike McCoy.
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Chip offense schemes weapons wide open , imagine a smart uber accurate QB like Rivers throwing to the wide open Recievers running free in chips scheme? Hopefully we are seriously considering this… we could flip Bradford to Browns for an extra first, package Browns first and our first, maybe a first next year, and we have an elite durable top QB running chips offense…. Hopefully we give some strong consideration to this…Rivers with our stable of RB’s in this offense could be very dangerous
3 first round draft picks for a 33 yr old? No thank you. 2 first rounders for him? No thank you. I’m not saying he isn’t good. I’m not saying he’d do great — for a couple of years — but if I’m spending first round draft picks, I want a QB that’ll be here for 10+ years.
4yr window to win a superbowl works for me, especially when 2/3 of the first round picks come from the same draft… might not even take 3 first rounders
down 2 guards/WR and safety. This team isn’t ready yet. Not even with Rivers…
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Is Rivers the guy who ended up in the Eli trade(I have bad memory)
I wouldnt worry too much about it…not as if the odds are in our Favor. Rivers has 7 kids and is said to make an issue about having to move his kids from san diego to LA if the team moves,… if he isnt willing to move his 7 kids to a different city, probably not going to be too thrilled about moving his kids to a new state of the opposite end of the country..
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just find this new NFL Fascinating. Player for player trades, teams willing to trade away elite franchise players..heck some say Drew Brees should also be available(Think Rivers has much more left)
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Guards arent exactly that hard to find…. not sure how many years we can count on chip staying here, if we have an opportunity to get a real elite QB that can give chip a real shot to win a SB in the next 3-4 years, id hope that we strongly consider it, since if we dont win a superbowl in 4years, we could end up losing chip
I hear ya…
im perfectly fine with Sam, as long as we can put “humpty dumpty back together again and keep him on the field for 3-4 years”… seems like chip really really actually believes in Sam and that he targeted Sam early and didnt even shop Foles to the other teams.. If Thats true, thats a big vote of confidence for Sam…
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truth is the only way I would want MM is if we also keep Sam, and i dont see any way that can happen. Most likely need to trade Sam in the MM trade and that doesnt interest me much… hopefully we can keep him in the game
And you wonder how much of that love for Bradford, from CK and Lurie, is bait to get teams to lower their asking price…..
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If they do keep him together(he was pretty darn good before being hurt), he’ll do just fine.
if they didnt shop Foles to other teams like they claim, it means they were hell bent on targeting Sam… you can make an argument that we can use him as a Trade chip, but it makes no sense to not see how much wisenhunt, the Jets and the usual suspect trade up partners value foles… before we would trade for Bradford to be a trade chip and put us already a 2nd round pick in the hole, im sure we would have tried to see if the teams we are looking to trade up with would rather have Foles and the 2nd rounder included in the trade, or Bradford… we could have also approached a team like the titans and tell them that if they want to do the deal with Foles, we talked to the Browns and they would have interest in acquiring Nick if wisenhunt would prefer Bradford instead of Foles..
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makes no sense to trade for Bradford so that we can include him in a trade without finding out if the potential trade partners would rather have Foles and the 2nd round pick included in the package that we ended up trading to the Rams…
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i completely believe that Sam was traded for Because Chip really wants him as our QB.. the rams and Eagles didnt have to make that trade official weeks ago.. they could have agreed to the deal but hold off on making it official for a few weeks to see if each team could get more out of trading away Bradford and Foles… seems to me that Nick was traded for the QB chip really wants…
there were articles saying the Eagles were talking to a lot of teams about Foles during the senior week bowl.
Agreed. The next question begs — I wonder if Chip would have traded Foles before last year or did Howie stop him? Or did Chip need to see another 1/2 season to know he didn’t want Foles? So many questions…lol. We can only wonder….
yeah be so fascinating to know what Moves Chip wanted to make, that howie managed to talk him out of… so far we really only heard the positive Howie did, for example, Talking him out of reaching for Hart, showing chip that he could get Jaylen Watkins and still end up with Hart.. Wonder what else Howie talked chip out of, wonder what Good moves chip wanted to make that Howie talked him out of, wonder what bad moves howie was able to steer chip away from….
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would have been much more interesting if Howie ended up fired, at least we would have had a chance in hearing from him. Lurie basically is paying him for his silence with that raise lol…. but according to Andy howie sounded Happy and positive about his role, so maybe howie isnt as upset as we think… after all, money can put a smile on a mans face, and Howie is probably going to end up Being GM of the Eagles again some day. so while chip took howies job NOW, chip may have extended howies eagle career by like a decade if he ends up getting his job back when chip leaves
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If I could bet money on it, I would bet that when the Chip era ends, Howie will be the one leading the next coaching search, not Maynowitz..
A big vote of confidence in Sam, or a big reason to question Kelly’s competence as a GM.
Nah, it was Nate Kaeding.
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MM can play for 15 years. Why trade all that for a 4 year window. No way.
Wow why not trade all that for MM. Younger and cost controlled for 4 years.
dont really care to get into what Lurie said, since most was a stonecold lie boderline insulting to peoples intelligence.. kind of funny to watch the media report Lurie’s crap on CSN.. on one hand I get that Mosher has to provide the fanbase with what lurie said, on the other hand he is helping Lurie spread straight lies to the fans… to pretend that Lurie just made this change on his own is insulting..
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Chip is speaking at 10am today, cant wait to watch this “master of wording”.. chip would make an amazing politician
It is not a journalist’s job to make the narrative from the story.
Thats why we have WIP and internet commenters like you around, to provide your own #hottakes!
no, but it is a journalists job to get to the truth and provide it to the readers… you arent getting the truth if you just spread blatant BS from Lurie…. which is why I really dont look forward to hearing Lurie talk, I understand that realistic we will get no truths from it, and all thats being told is a “STORY”, when a journalist job isnt to help someone spread “fiction”… but I cant blame Mosher, what is he supposed to do, pretend Lurie didnt speak, when he barely talks twice a year?… should have pressed him harder to get truths… fortunately Lurie is as slick as they come, making sure his Q and A wasnt in a press conference setting where they could really go after him and ask the same question over and over til he slips and gives you some truth.. lol that slick Mofo had his press conference on an informal street corner lol where he could just start walking away and get ushered away when ever he starting to feel to much heat from the questions..
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basically, im at the point where Lurie doesnt even exist, and hearing what he has to say to the media is utterly pointless…but what do we expect? for him to tell the truth? “chip strong armed me and told me it was either him or howie and i couldnt possibly face the fans and tell them I lost chip kelly after two years?”… I get it, doesnt mean i have to be a mindless sheep and like it… but feel free to sit down, put on a press conference and enjoy “story time with Jeff Lurie”..dont let me piss on your parade. to each his own
dont really care to get into what Lurie said, since most was a stonecold lie boderline insulting to peoples intelligence.. kind of funny to watch the media report Lurie’s crap on CSN.. on one hand I get that Mosher has to provide the fanbase with what lurie said, on the other hand he is helping Lurie spread straight lies to the fans… to pretend that Lurie just made this change on his own is insulting..
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Chip is speaking at 10am today, cant wait to watch this “master of wording”.. chip would make an amazing politician
Eagles offered shady for either kiko or robert woods. Bills chose kiko. Who is robert woods? That is interesting if we take a WR back would all this Kendrick’s trade talk have happened?
who’s rumoring Kendricks trade talk? Fans and media (again)?
I’m still wondering this, too. So far, I have not seen anything anywhere were it is being reported that Kendricks is on the trade block. I have seen assumptions brought up about it in the media because they plan on keeping Demeco. Don’t doubt that the team has had discussion about trade possibilities with a lot of players, but nothing has come up to indicated that they are actively trying to get rid of Kendricks unless I missed something.
Where did you get that info that Eagles wanted Robert Woods?! Rex Ryan has said that the Bills offered 3 players, but that the Eagles insisted on Kiko…
towards the bottom of this page
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/03/25/eagles-wake-up-call-bradford-worth-the-risk/#more-2930470
Cheers!
As an aside…
Because of you, I bought some fish, and beer for beer batter to make fish and chips tonight.
Good boy. Make sure to keep me some.
Sal Pal said it on radio. Part of a long bit about how Chip doesn’t understand value, didn’t get value for either McCoy or Foles. Etc, etc.
Thank you. Sal Pal is a clown though.
Hey take it easy that’s my buddies Cousin..
You can choose your friends but not your family.
Your buddy must be funny.
Besides the articles, it’s awesome that T-Law calls out so-called “analyst” in the nfl. If that person on tv is an ass(cough Warren Sapp), then call him an ass. Other blog/website writers are too scared to write stuff like that. Puts T-Law on top in my book. Did I say Sapp was is an ass? Just making sure nobody missed it…lol.
“I look at things differently. I’m always trying to figure out what makes Chip see things differently. His moves are done for a reason. Rather than just disagree, I prefer to try to understand them”…..PREACH!!! i say this all the time..
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problem is kids around here dont see it that way,. they would rather you just stick to your guns no matter how much new info you gather and cry over spilled milk as if thats going to get us anywhere… once a decision we dont like is made, you vent initially, get it out of your system, and then right away my brain switched to “what am I missing mode”?, “what is he seeing that we are missing for him to make that decision”?
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sometimes It sounds like fans think chip just makes moves for the sake of making moves, or intentionally making moves to make his team worse which is absurd…. there isnt ANYTHING that chip does that isnt being done because he feels it will improve the team.. Initially it might not look that way when we see the first half of the puzzle, but usually once the second half of the puzzle is revealed, the initial move as an upgrade starts to make more sense to us…. even if a move chip is making is a DOWNGRADE at a particular position, in the long run Im sure there is an UPGRADE purpose behind the move, for Example, skimping in the allocation of assets department at the WR position, and use it to strengthen another position where he thinks it will make us better…
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He wont ALWAYS know better then us. To get where we want to be, he has no choice but to take some risky chances, but no risk, no reward…. I think we didnt win a superbowl under Andy because he was too afraid to rock the boat and lose the elite top contender he built that would compete every year, instead of swinging for the fences and risking something to try and really get over the hump and win a superbowl
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say what you will about chip and his vision, but i think we all agree that this man is obviously swinging for the fences. He didnt come here to just build really good teams, he is here, dedicating himself to trying to win it all at the highest level. We have been really really good with no lombardi to show for it for too many years, so Personally safe, good but not great enough doesnt interest me and im thrilled to have a coach who see’s things the same way… anything less then a SB is a failure, and its great to have a coach who truly sees it the same. Alot of coaches are afraid to fall flat on their face and ruin their NFL career. Great to have a coach with NO FEAR, thats ONLY in it to WIN it…
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I sure as hell dont agree with every move he makes, but I hope over time I can get better and better at understanding them. but i am confident that this coach really knows what he is doing, and if we dont understand a move initially, there is a good chance another shoe will drop in the near future which will make the picture clearer and make more sense to us,…
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its easy to be worried and upset about jettisoning two Quality veteran guards when we only see what we are losing, and have no clue what we are gaining from the move. But hopefully when we see the second half of the equation we will view it as an upgrade and understand why he felt the need to make these moves…. at least I hope.
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lol go into the season starting Tobin and Garner at Guards and im sure ill be dusting my pitchfork off too
anyone know what station Chip will be on at 10? CSN, NFL network, or ESPN?
I’m at work so I’m going to try NFL.com, but I figure at least NFL network or one of the ESPN channels should air it. Maybe ESPNnews?
i saw NFL network said there would be a Chip interview last night at 7 i DVRed but didnt watch it yet.. maybe that was false info, not sure.. they said the same thing about monday too but no Chipper… so maybe its finally today? who knows
chip definitely has to speak today. all the NFC coaches are required to do so today
I think that interview was the one JK tweeted part of as a response to Stephen A. Or was that an ESPN interview?
Found a snippet of that interview from Monday or yesterday.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000000481267/Chip-Kelly-We-feel-very-confident-about-where-we-are?icampaign=nflcom-cs-homepage-videoswap_generic_nfl
bleeding green has the entire transcript up
thanks
not sure if it will be on live or not… but shortly after Im sure it will appear all over the place, NFLnetwork, Espn… if you cant find at it 10pm, I assume we will be able to see it everywhere by 11pm… but if anyone see’s it at 10am, please post a heads up
but wait do you guys think Chip will ignore the OL this season? Does anyone have any views on this?
I don’t think Chip ignores anything. Again — look at the research Chip did prior to going after Bradford. That’s Chip. Chip isn’t ignoring anything nor is he sitting on his butt saying “eh, I’ll just release Mathis and don’t worry about getting anything for him”. Chip is too detailed, too smart to ignore anything….
everyones favorite mid round combine beast, Chris Conley is visiting Novacare… wonder who the QB will be that throws to him? crazy athleticism will be on display today
really appreciate Malcolm Jenkins trying to school that blow hard Heath Evans on Twitter. Good for Jenkins to go out of his way to stick up for his coach and his team against one of his former team mates…
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how heath Evans gets to make a living off his worthless opinion is baffling to me. Its like the NFL network purposely tries to hire the former players most effected by brain damage..smh.. Props to Jenkins, he dove into eagles culture the moment he signed last year and in a years time, he is already officially one of us..
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lol fullback being allowed to talk about a team that thinks he is so worthless that we dont even carry his position.. I am kind of curious to see Shady run behind a fullback again next year tho… hoping to one day see chip throw some of his snarky responses Heath’s way and use his wit to put that moron in his place
If Warren Sapp could, I suppose anyone can, but ya the NFL network has some real shitty choices in former players that represent them.
Lavar Arrington is horrendous
Seems like we are moving from “In Chip We trust” to “Let Chip be Chip.” I’m excited about the guy as our coach but not yet convinced he is ready for the big time. This year and next should be tipping points, one way or the other. Bradford’s play could determine if Chip has an NFL career or goes back to college ball.
Will this change to CK saying “I love me some me?”
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/ffje45eem/terrell-owens-i-love-me-some-me/
Are you more concerned about Bradford’s play or his health?
Both, and Chip should be, too.
To the fans asking about the chip press conference, no idea if it will air live or not, if it doesnt it will be all over NFL network and Espn as soon as they clean up the audio I assume, since I think he will be sitting at a table and not in a press conference setting…
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but Im sure fans can go on twitter and our beat reporters will be tweeting out his quotes starting 10am…. but by noon, it should be all over ESPN/NFLN
I think the best way to explain Chip’s moves is that he comes from an environment—college football—in which he had access to so many talented players that he could afford to pass on ones who didn’t fit his system or do things the way he wanted. As I think he will find out, the NFL is different. No team has access to enough good players to make its roster solid from top to bottom and no team has access to enough stars that it can let its stars go, plug in other players for them, and go on without missing a beat. If a player thrives in a team’s system, the team must try to keep that player because there’s no guarantee that the player it brings in for him will perform equally well.
The only thing that matters in the NFL is results. McCoy finished first and third in the league in rushing in consecutive years in Kelly’s system. The fact that Kelly could see that and say that McCoy doesn’t fit his system is an indictment of Kelly, not an indication of his genius.
At the end of 2013, the Eagles were poised to go into the next year with three players (McCoy, Jackson and Foles) who had proved they could thrive in Chip’s offense, and one (Maclin) who had given every indication that he could thrive before his year was cut short by injury. Now, all four of those players are gone, and what once was an area of strength is a question mark at best.
I predict the Eagles will go somewhere between 7-9 and 10-6 and this year, somewhere between 8-8 and 6-10 the following year and bottom out the year after that with a new coach trying to clean up the mess Chip Kelly left behind.
So if the Eagles do better than that, what does that mean? Let’s not make hasty predictions, we’ve seen that go not to well on these boards.
I’m not ready to say CK is a genius, but he’s far from being a bust at this point.
If the Eagles do better than that, it means I’m wrong and happy.
Where were these ‘all stars’ when it came to crucial times in the playoffs. Don’t you see the ceiling we reached?
The Eagles lost to the Saints in the playoffs because of their defense and special teams. Kelly fixed the special teams, but not the defense. Last year, the defense’s propensity for giving up big plays and the offense’s propensity for turning the ball over did the Eagles in. I would argue, however, that the Eagles could’ve beaten the 49ers or the Cardinals had they still had DeSean Jackson, as one big offensive play in either of those games probably would have given them a victory. They also could have won either of those games had Kelly used Chris Polk in goal-line situations, which he started doing later in the year. I’m not a big believer in the whole ceiling theory. I think that, in any sport, you win by finding players who can perform well in your system, keep them and accumulate more. McCoy, Jackson and Maclin all proved they could perform well in Kelly’s system. All are gone and only one has been replaced.
The offense came out flat and put a lot of pressure on the defense early. That has repercussions late in the game.
DJax got locked down and until their CB got hurt, was completely shutdown.
If McCoy could perform so well why was he being replaced with Polk in goal line situations. How is McCoy worth $11M if he needs to be replaced by someone who was tendered at the lowest level?
Barry Sanders was replaced in goal-line situations, too.
Dude what’s your problem, you want the eagles to fail? Can’t you just give chip more faith? The guy created a system in which his offensive players were being very successful, don’t you think he could have the best idea for how to maximise his system success? Time is a virtue my friend
I don’t want the Eagles to fail. I just don’t think that scheme trumps talent.
lucky for you just 20 minutes ago chip said you cant skimp on talent because of scheme… you need both according to his recent interview
Foles was not thriving in 2014.
McCoy (3rd) was replaced by the guy who was first.
how do you know it’s the players and not Chip. Who had career seasons under Chip? all the guys you are listing.
LeSean McCoy, DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin were good under Andy Reid, and DeSean was good with the Redskins. Folks had one great year and one year that was between mediocre and bad. He’s had better stats throughout his career than Bradford and, although he has been injury prone, he has had a better track record in that regard than Braford, too.
I sort of agree all the way up to the point where you said it was obvious Maclin would flourish in Chip’s system. Up to the point that he got hurt the consensus around here was that there was actually a chance he could be pushed out. Most people here felt he needed to have a great camp to show Chip he could play the way he wanted. Dont get me wrong Maclin is my favorite Eagles receiver since uhhh Fryer (in a while..), just what the buzz was around here. Not conventional but I always liked him.
Everything after that Maclin comment was pretty bad though. Although I do agree we should be in the 7-10 win area this year.
I put this in the wait and see category. If the theory that we’re testing is whether it’s the scheme that makes the players go, or the players that make the scheme go, this would be the first time we get a great look at what the real answer is. You’re of the opinion that it won’t work, and there’s a lot reasons to believe that. But I’ll let it play out first, because where’s the fun in being angry about it 5 months before the season starts?
I’m not angry. I just have the same feeling of dread I did when the Sixers rolled the dice and traded for Andrew Bynum.
I still haven’t gotten over that trade.
Me neither. It was predicated on an assessment by someone — I assume Doug Collins — that Vucevic would be a bust. Instead, he turned into a double-double machine. I think if the Sixers had kept that team together, it could have gotten to the 50-win level, at which point it would have been one lucky mid-first-round draft pick from challenging for a championship. I think Hinkie had no choice but to blow up the Sixers, given the mess he inherited, but the Bynum trade was an all-or-nothing gamble that the Sixers didn’t have to take.
We agree on this. Up until Hinkie, I had a serious hate for the Sixers, almost making not watch basketball altogether. It’s irrational I know, but I pay for all the packages (sans Sunday Ticket; screw you DirectTV) and putting out money to watch an unwatchable product irritates me.
That started when they hired Eddie Jordan, and I knew this franchise was headed in the wrong direction. Hinkie (like CK) seems to have different ideas about how to be successful and I find that refreshing. It may or may not work but in the end, they tried something different and made a go of it.
I’m excited about this team next year. Even if they get 5 & 6 this year, I still think the base is there with Embiid and Noel. We are a PG away from making noise IMO.
Watching the Eddie Jordan season was like watching one of the prolonged car crashes in Talladega Nights. It was a disaster, but you knew no one was actually going to get physically maimed, so it took on an amusing quality.
Couldn’t agree more. I wouldn’t of made most of these moves, but I’m hoping to hell to be proved wrong. I’m excited to be proved wrong.
This is a very realistic downside scenario for Chip’s current tinkering.
Thanks. I really hope I’m wrong, though.
you are right, its all about results, those guys you mentioned produced results of a play off loss and no playoffs at all.
Botto’s point is correct. Those guys went to the Pro Bowl, but didn’t bring the team to the next level. Also, all of them looked absolutely awful at times. Thus, they were expendable. What that should tell you is that conventional stats and accolades are deceptive and often irrelevant. Look at the ranks of rushing champions in the last ten years. It doesn’t correlate too well with deep playoff runs.
And it was completely their fault, given the great defense and special-teams units they played with.
Wrong.
Kelly’s recruiting classes were top 25ish. He wasn’t coaching Bama with 20 5 star recruits every single year.
The fact that Oregon recruits like a fringe top 25 team and yet has the second best aggregate final ranking over the course of 2009-2014, is a testament to Kelly, not a shortcoming. It’s proof that he can turn lemons into lemonade.
Last year, Oregon ranked 12th among all colleges with 43 players in the NFL. LSU and Miami were first with 57, followed by USC with 56 and Alabama and Ohio State with 52. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/number-of-nfl-players-by-college/2014/ As the best players typically stay in the league the longest, this is a trailing indicator, meaning that when the talent recruited by a school increases, the school’s ranking will take a while to rise. As Oregon wasn’t cranking out pros like crazy before Kelly got there, the fact that it’s already ranked 12th in that department indicates that, regardless of how its recruiting classes are ranked, it’s bringing in at least top 10 talent.
Which speaks to ability to identify talent and development. Not a bench full of freshmen ready to play.
It speaks to Oregon’s ability to recruit talented football players who don’t need to be turned from lemons into lemonade.
Jesus. It’s not a terrible hard concept to understand. Oregon does not recruit like the SEC West or USC or Ohio State. Fact. Period.
Oregon doesn’t have 20 freshmen ready to start every year.
Last year Alabama lost their starting safety. Who was the first safety off the bench? Landon freaking Collins.
USC will have had a WR drafted in the second round three years in a row now.
LSU loses Patrick Peterson, honeybadger and Mo Claiborn. Who do they get replaced with? Tharold Simon and Jalen Collins.
Oregon does not have that kind of depth. Period.
So to argue that Chip has some naive fetish for replacing players because he had better younger guys at Oregon is crap.
I’m not saying Chip has a naive fetish for replacing players because he had better younger guys at Oregon. I’m saying that the universe of players who can play at a high level in college is much larger than the universe of players who can play at a high level in the NFL. As a result, the coaches of top college football programs, such as Oregon, can replace their team’s stars more easily than NFL coaches can replace their team’s stars.
Parity in the NFL is much greater than parity in the NCAA.
And once again, Oregon is a top college program because of the way it develops players not because of the way it brings in talent. They win because of their scheme and their execution.
Non QB stars don’t win championships in the NFL. Look at the final 4 teams from last year. What offensive “stars” can you argue each team had? Gronk and Marshawn, that’s it. Maybe Nelson or Hilton if you want to get more liberal about the usage of the word “star”.
Chip can manufacture offense. We won 10 games last year with a struggling lower level starter and a backup QB, an MASH unit on the offensive line. Chip will put points on the board but he clearly recognized that he needed more talent on defense. Maclin & Shady <<< Maxwell, Kiko, Murray and Matthews.
As far as DJAX the regression to the team from losing a "star" was so great that we regressed by scoring 32 more points.
You’re right. Parity in the NFL is much greater than parity in the NCAA. That’s why NCAA coaches can afford to pass on or cut players because they don’t like the cut of their jib, while NFL coaches can’t.
As for the second point, Oregon is a top college program in large part because it recruits top players. Players don’t last in the NFL because they were better developed in college than other players; they last because they have more talent. Todd Herremans doesn’t owe his NFL career to the incredible coaching staff at Saginaw Valley State. The fact that Oregon ranks 12th in players in the NFL indicates that its players are good, regardless of how recruiting services rate them.
I agree that you can’t win a championship without a quarterback who is great or is playing great, but the Eagles had one of the latter in Foles two years ago. Bradford hasn’t played great since college. In four years, his quarterback ratings have been 76.5, 70.5, 82.6 and 90.9. In three years, Foles’ ratings were 79.1, 119.2, and 81.4. Foles’ highest ranking clobbers Bradford’s highest ranking, his second-highest ranking is slightly lower than Bradford’s second-highest ranking and his third-highest ranking is better than Bradford’s third and fourth highest rankings.
As for Chip being able to manufacture offense, he couldn’t do that against the 49ers. Had the offense been able to score one touchdown in that game, the Eagles would have won. Maybe having DeSean would have enabled the Eagles to hit a big play or caused the 49ers to play further off the line of scrimmage, allowing the Eagles to get their running game going.
And, as for the fact that the Eagles scored more points without DeSean than with him, that was due to the number of return touchdowns they got in 2014. The offense scored 51 touchdowns in 2013 with DeSean and 43 touchdowns in 2014 without him. If you want to argue that Maclin adequately replaced DeSean, fine. But the reality is that DeSean wouldn’t have played in place of Maclin; he would have played in place of Riley Cooper, who had a terrible year. DeSean would have taken yards and catches away from Maclin, but what he produced instead of Cooper would have more than made up for that.
At the end of his first season, I thought Chip was going to revolutionize the NFL. I hope I’m wrong, but everything he has done since releasing DeSean has led me to believe that he is a great college coach whose methods and systems won’t work in the pros. And that includes his training regimen; I think maximizing the number of reps players get in practice has the effect of tiring them out over the course of a season, which is why the Eagles lost three of their last four games last year.
Again, I hope I’m wrong, but I think that since the Eagles took the lead in their playoff game against the Saints, the team has gone downhill and is continuing to go that way. With luck, they’ll go deep into the playoffs this year and I’ll own up to being an idiot.
“we felt like to get a player of Sam’s caliber it wouldn’t have happened unless he was injured. We’re confident in our training staff and our strength and conditioning coaches that they can help him in his rehab and get him back to where he was when he was the top player in the draft.”- chip kelly from his interview with NFLN last night…
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not to be confused with him getting ready to speak today
Weak ligaments are weak ligaments. They gonna turn him into Robo-Sam?
so I assume you think we should get rid of Kiko and you are happy that Maclin is gone? cant be ok with one player with 2 acl surgeries and then condemn another for the same issue
QB is a little more important than WR’s or LB’s… if you lose one of your starting ILB’s, that’s tough but you can overcome it. If you lose Bradford, you’re staring down the barrel of Mark Sanchez for the rest of the year.
WR and ILB’s ACLs are waaaaay more at risk than a pocket passer who chip will protect with a grind them out power run game that keeps moving the chains, play action passes, lots of screens, and 3 step drops to Jordan, sproles and Ertz…
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Im not worried about the ACL of a pocket passer playing for a coach smart enough to protect him and not expose him wrecklessly
The good news is that both his ACL tears were contact injuries. When a 270 pounder dives full force into ur knee and it bends the wrong way most ligaments will tear. I might be wrong but I don’t think either of his tears were those non-contact type injuries where it just snapped out of nowhere and you start to worry maybe he just doesn’t have the ligaments to do normal professional athlete type actions.
My concern isn’t just two ACLs. Its the body of injuries. The guy has been made of glass since he was in college.
My statement wasn’t that I dislike players with ACL tears at all. It wasn’t even that I don’t want them on my team. Not to say I want Bradford… even though I have accepted him and support him. However, I did love Mac but was always worried about his health. I will be very worried about Kiko too.
obviously id prefer he had a clean bill of health and was never injured. but if that was the case we would never be able to acquire him… for as long as I can remember I go into seasons crapping my pants that quality new players we sign or draft dont get hurt in the upcoming season. Its something I ALWAYS WORRIED about in this game no matter how healthy or fragile a player has been.. I remember last year I was so nervous that we finally signed a good safety Jenkins and i used to pray that he didnt get hurt, and he is perfectly healthy…. injuries are that big of a part of each game that i cant possibly worry more about a player then I already worry every time we get a new player. we are talking about a game where important players blow out their ACL’s celebrating and doing discount double check comercial celebrations… 61 ACLs were injured in the past year and a half…
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this isnt a running QB, what are we talking about here? his ACL isnt strong enough to take a snap, 3 step drops, step up in the pocket, maybe side step a defender, or a 5 step role out? if you are telling me that his acl isnt healthy to do that, they you are basically saying his ACL is barely strong enough to walk on. Chip surely wont have this kid running with the ball and having him throw 50 times in his first year back… I assume it will be a ton of quick hitters getting the ball out of his hands, and protect him with our run game the way Dallas protected Romo.. Demarco is a grind out 1st downs, 3 yards at a time RB. and we have Mathews and Polk… draft two High Caliber Guards and use our run game and our tempo to wear teams down, protect Bradford his first year back, use play action to buy space and time to not take hits,…
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Im so so so much more worried about the ACL of a LB or a WR whos game is based off of sharp cuts, exploding into full speed, change of directions, then Im worried about the knee of a friggin pocket passer. what are we talking about here? an ACL that isnt strong enough to take a 3 step drop, plant and let it Rip?
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heck look at our main pass catching weapons: Sproles, Ertz, Mathews…no real home run threats, all threats off of quick hitting routes, screens, heavy smashing defenses wearing them down with our power backs, keep the chains moving and defenses from pinning their ears back and getting after our QB,,,
I can’t believe there are people pessimistics about eagles future. Scepticists I can understand but you guys need to see it that way. Our offense looks less improved with holes at WR and OL. Our D is improved (on paper we need to see the results on the field). Well IMO, I feel very much better to have better talent on our D and give faith in chip system to be good offensively. Count me as very optimistic about our horizon.
After all the loss and adding Bradford I felt like we were just assuming the SB wasn’t an option this year. After getting back Demarco, and sort of “getting” Chip’s interest in Bradford, I feel better about the team.
Still think we are further from the SB than we were at this point last year. Especially if we go and cut Mathis.
i dont know about that…. not too hard to find guards that can produce immediately.. and our Defense should be way way way more improved then last year. Forget the personnel upgrades, just kids like Cox, Ced, Logan, Kendricks, being a year older/more experienced should make our defense better. Add in a stud LB like Kiko who may even be better then Kendrick and drastically improve your coverage ability at LB and CB, and your CB depth, and Im expecting to see a much better defense then we saw last year.. and truth is, last years offense wasnt anything to write home about, so i dont think its totally out of the question to see an offense thats better then last years offense… Heck just Molk not being blown into our QBs lap for half the season should make our offense better… our offense was good but not great last year, dont think its crazy to see a better offense this year as long as they are much healthier then last season, and I have no doubts that our defense will be the best defense we have seen in this city since like 2008,…. will we compete for a SB? probably not. Too many new pieces that need to gel to win it all even if all our guys stay healthy and play up to their potential…. but I wouldnt be surprised to see us feeling really well about this offense and its future when next season ends…and on defense we are a safety away from being some bad mother..shut yo mouth…
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im more concerned with our QB staying healthy, then i am about our OL and WR… i assume chip will add some quality youth at those positions in the draft
I mostly agree the defense should be better, and I am more concerned about the QB situation. I do sort of feel it is a given the offense should be top 10 in yards/points.
I am not so positive in the secondary though. I love love love the Maxwell signing but am not sure yet that he is a significant improvement over Williams. Williams did swap jobs with him after all. Safety is an issue. 2nd CB is an unknown to me.
Essentially there is no proven commodity at this point, and that is probably what most concerns me. There is a ton of potential, but as an Eagles fan that doesn’t always excite me haha.
isnt walter Thurmond a known commodity as long as he is healthy? stay healthy and I assume we will be fine… get ravaged by injuries and it will be a horrible year. dont rule out boykin or Nolan winning the outside CB spot either
not to mention I assume most of the holes will be eliminated by the time the season rolls around,,… what major holes do we really have? two guards and a WR? some of the positions with the best odds of being able to fill with rookies that contribute right away…
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id be much more concerned if we were going into the season counting on a rookie Center, and two outside CBs, when corners typically suck as rookie…
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if we have to ask a rookie to start, Guard, RB and even WR are the positions that can handle the NFL transition the quickest and have the best chance of playing as rookies… Guard and RB were always draft, plug and play positions. but not WRs are starting to make quicker transition to the NFL game. It used to be that rookie WRs really struggled, but now with so much spread principles and schemes these kids see in college being incorporated into the NFL game, rookie WRs are coming to the NBA prepared and ready to make an impact right away….
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need to ask a rookie to play a significant role? Guard, WR and RB’s are the positions to do it at…
Im not soooo sure I am ready to call the recent success with rookie WRs a locked in trend yet. It does seems to be leaning that way, but I would like to see some more data.
Besides, do we really think we are drafting an outside receiver to start this year? I feel like its gonna be Riley — Huff —- Matthews this year almost no matter what happens in the draft. Are there any first year starter WRs projected late first or 2nd through 3rd??
i think Huff and Jordan will improve too much in year two to see a rookie take their starting spots, I also am expecting Sproles to be much more of a WR this year then a RB like last year..and this has to be the real breakout season for Ertz…. Ertz and Sproles should be two of our key components in our passing game..
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i really like Huff and the pope, so I doubt a rookie will take their spot, but I am absolutely expecting a rookie WR to be drafted and be incorporated into our offense, even if he comes off the bench… Also wouldnt be surprised to see a rookie replace Cooper the second half of the season, especially if the rookie is smart enough to block his ass off so Coop doesnt have a significant advantage over him in that department.. I expect Coop to get Cut after this year, so I certainly can see, at least I hope to see a rookie take more and more of his snaps the second half of the season..
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I absolutely think that there are WRs in rounds 2-3 that can handle significant roles as rookies. they probably dont take Coops starting spot day 1,but they should contribute early on, with their role growing as the year goes on… and if we invest in top young Guards, I assume our running game will be extremely potent which should open up some big play action opportunities for our young pass catching weapons.
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doubt many players will be out working the pope this offseason, and talented WRs who are intelligent and put in the work tend to show some monster year 2 improvements. Im hoping the Popes work ethic will force Huff to keep up and not allow himself to get out worked… If Huff puts in the work Jordan will put into this offseason, our young WRs should surprise us..
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we really will need Guards to be able to start in september, WR being able to start probably wont be as important. As long as the rookie WR gives us something between what the Pope gave us, and what Huff gave us last year, we should be ok…
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of course this all hinges on our QB staying healthy, but that goes for the Elite teams too…. and in a league where multiple players blow out their acl in the same year doing “discount double check” celebration dances, is any player really more of an injury risk then anyone else? If our key players stay healthy it should be a good year, but who knows, we havent even seen them play a preseason game yet
I think Huff has a lot of potential, but he reminds me of Wolff last offseason. Wolff flashed at times and looked like he had the potential to be a starting safety. But we all knew relying on him was a serious risk. There just wasn’t enough demonstrated consistency.
The main difference here is that there’s no Nate Allen type WR to fall back on if Huff doesn’t step up. It’s not like I loved (or even liked) Nate Allen, but I think he was a slightly more than marginal starter who could hold down the fort – he would’ve looked a lot better with a better secondary around him (what’s up, Chung?).
If we end up with a 2nd or 3rd round rookie WR and no veteran, this has the potential to be a problem all season long.
Yea if Huff falls flat on his face we’re looking at Jeff Maehl as a potential starter. Lot of pressure for Huff to make a big leap. However, I’ll say that personally I see huge potential in Huff. I’ve got a lot of faith in the kid compared to some other fans. We’ll see how he responds. He’s got the physical skill just needs to get into a veteran mindset. His problems were your typical rookie mental lapses and trying to do too much last year.
Don’t disagree at all. I wouldn’t call that an ideal trio of receivers. Just what I predict will be opening day starters.
I agree, our holes are definitely the spots you’d prefer to have holes where rookies need to perform. Still I’d ideally prefer not to have major holes where we’re forced to draft certain positions and expect them to contribute or even start right away. Inside pressure is the one thing that routinely makes Chip’s system obsolete. Needing two new starters at G and basically needing to hit on two rookies next month due to our lack of adequate depth.
And, while it was definitely the right decision to not make Maclin the 4th highest paid WR in the league, that doesn’t change the fact that we will certainly see a dip in production offensively with him gone. I think it’s fair to think the team might take a step back next year but could ultimately take a big step forward the year after.
absolutely… i obviously prefer not having any holes, and draft a pure BPA building depth, but thats not the hand we are dealt…. our run game was crappy for alot of last season. sproles also wasnt a factor in the passing game and ertz didnt have his breakout season… so while yes we will lose production on the outside with Mac gone, im not sure our offense wont be improved from last year,… run the ball better, more effective throwing to sproles and Ertz and we wont need someone to produce as much as Mac did outside… its all up to the OL and the QB
I AM HAPPY THAT instead of just filling holes with the best available, chip was very specific. he targeted McCourty because he was an elite player and perfect fit, when we struck out, I like that he didnt settle on the next best safety if there wasnt anyone he clearly loved. I like that he tried to sign Orlando Franklin but when we couldnt get him, no other OG was good enough for chip… I like that when we lost Maclin, we didnt sign someone just to sign someone… I love this about chip. I love not settling for the best available if it isnt up to our standards… rather go into the draft with holes, instead of spending money on players we dont love just to fill holes..
WR, especially 1st round picks, usually have some of the most difficulty in adjusting and producing with last year being a historical aberration.
There are more holes than that too. S is a huge question mark and so is the other CB unless you really think Carroll upgrade his play or Thurmond can play an entire season.
not true… you are thinking of old times.. trend already started to swing the other way.. i have no CB concerns, and i doubt it will be too hard to grow our safeties into giving us atleast what we got out of Nate
“not to mention I assume most of the holes will be eliminated by the time the season rolls around,,… what major holes do we really have? two guards and a WR?”
Dude, are you kidding me? You constantly ignore the Safety position, like we have ANYONE there who can play on a starter level. If Wolff is the closest thing to a starter on the depth chart at the moment, after a serious injury, that’s *Raiders* or *Jags*. Chip HAS to upgrade that position one way or the other, and not just depth, starter level is needed.
I don’t think you forget that on purpose, but it’s the same story as yesterday with our Mathis discussion
i dont ignore the safety position, I just got used to them not doing anything about it.. i want them to trade Tashuan Gipson, but it doesnt look like they will, so what the fuck would you like me to do about it? go put a gun to Ray Farmers head and get on the phone and offer him to chip kelly for a 7th round pick?
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if we arent cursed enough at this damn position, the top safety in the draft is like the polar opposite of what we look for. I dont love any of the safeties in this draft, so WTF do you want me to do? i also dont think its that hard to coach up wolff or one of our younger players to the “Nate Allen level”… and if you wavent noticed, our young players improve and get stronger every year, so even without a safety Im still looking at a significantly improved defense, when Cox,Ced,Curry,BG,Logan,Kendricks, Marcus ALL will be a little better then they were last year, all a little stronger, more experienced then Last year, we have drastically upped the caliber of CB adding two Corners from the Legion of boom that both play inside and outside, and we added an extremely talented stud young LB, and all i lost was Crappy Nate Allen, Casey Mathews, Bradley and I swapped Carry for Byron? and im supposed to be upset and not think we improved significantly? Get real…. we lost a bum of a safety and improved all over the defense and im supposed to cry that we havent replaced Nate friggin Allen? he sucks, he was terrible,doubt it will be THAT hard to coach a kid up to the Nate Level… we lost NOTHING, and Gained alot, and you are crying about the defense?’,,.,.
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sure, Id love a stud like McCourty, Tashuan Gipson that would transcend us to a new level being a highly talented missing link… but if we cant get that player wtf you want me to do? sign a safety or draft a safety just to add one?… and FYI: If Wolff finally gets treated since we actually know whats wrong with him,. I have full confidence in him at least providing what Nate did, if not more…excuse me for not acting like the sky is falling because we lost nate, and am viewing the situation realistically that we dont have many quality options… I assume we draft a CB/S hybrid or safety like Rowe in rounds 4 or 5… but how can i have much faith in that? when we drafted safeties out of round 5 the last two years, and my favorite College Safety Jaylen Ramsey isnt even in this draft?…i know what we NEED, im trying to be realistic about it
OK, I get your point. I disagree with you on one thing though: if you have nothing whatsoever at a position, a stop gap isn’t the worst thing in the world. You say “if you don’t love a player, don’t sign him”. Well, if you don’t love a player, but he’s better than the players you have and the players you can get for this season, give him a short term deal.
The Safety market was weak, other than McCourty. I don’t see any reason why players like Moore or Searcy wouldn’t be intersted in a prove it deal with a higher number next year than they got on avg on their weak deals. I don’t care if they LOVE Moore or Searcy, but they would have helped to improve our weakest position on the roster.
what do you want me to say? I ADORED Da’Norris Searcy and spend months hoping they would sign him,… they didnt, so I move on….. and I learned a long time ago not to rule out young players just because they didnt perform or prove anything their first season or two… hopefully one of our young players surprises us an makes big improvements, or hopefully the 4th or 5th round safety we draft this year will be an instant stud…
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I sat here and sweated watching all the safeties get signed and us not add anyone just like you did, trust me, i didnt enjoy it any much either..I would have been happy with McCourty, Searcy, Moore, Gilchrist, sign restricted free agent Tashuan Gipson…they didnt. I bitched, and now I moved on…. they offered McCourty 10mil a year, so at least i know that they are on the look out to improve the position. hopefully we will be happier when we see the complete picture.. if not, hopefully Maxwell is good enough to not need safety help
You moved on and that’s ok, but it’s another thing to say you “love that they don’t sign anybody they don’t love”. Of course we have to move on, and if Chip doesn’t have something up his sleeve, we can only hope Watkins or Wolff prove to be at least on Nate Allens level. As it stands right now, we have to move on, but we don’t have to be happy about it.
I hope there is a plan. I hope I’m dead wrong. But personally, I think it would have been very important to sign a stop gap. There is so much youth, not a single one of these young players have proven ANYTHING in the NFL. And Maragos and especially Prosinski are pure STer.
If Reynolds, Wolff or Watkins beat out the stop gap – great. But if not and they all turn out below Nate Allen level, we will be in trouble, imo. I would love one or even two of our young guns to pan out, but they have ZERO competition, only themselves. And they could deliver a race to the bottom rather than a race to the top. I sure hope not, but there are no indications it will be a good battle. Just a battle.
Under Andy Reid I always felt like the team was soft, and it was one of my biggest pet peeves about that team. Probably while I have always migrated toward the tough guys… Dawk Cole M. Lewis, Trot, Emmons, Celek, C. Lewis, Runyan etc.
My embarrassment of a soft team ended quickly after Chip arrived… HE really does think he knows the Eagles. Not sure why….
So you think the team was soft yet you mention a ton of reid guys who are super tough?
Handful were pre-Reid I believe
ok, so I wasn’t the only one not sure what he was saying…
Really? Surprising. I thought there were a bunch who felt that way. Maybe its just that I don’t articulate well on my phone, and make typos? (sorry i have big hands and am too lazy to fix that ish).
It didn’t feel like a widespread mentality to me. Not to mention many of those guys didn’t play together. I will admit the early 2000 defense was nasty… it wasn’t really until after them that I felt that way.
As an example Runyan was a total man beast, but like Mayberry, and Tra Thomas and even Frarley were pretty finesse IMO. Emmons next to…. Nate Wayne? Dawk next to Lito Sheppard. Chad Lewis lines up next toooooo Todd Pinkston.
Hope that helps understand…unless you were just disagreeing with me.
Chip coming up on NFL network.. Garret on now
LOL!!!
Howard Eskin: How did you feel the first time on the phone making a trade?
CK: First time on the phone? I was scared, I didn’t know how to work the buttons.
Eagles bringing Chris Conley in for a visit.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/3/25/8287545/2015-nfl-draft-eagles-chris-conley-georgia-wide-receiver-bulldogs-nfl-combine-freak-athlete
He already met with them before according to NFL radio. or at least someone mentioned it here.
That means there’s some serious interest to talk with him at the combine, then bring him in for a visit.
I hope so. Conley is a guy that you can’t really hate.
Look at the player comparisons. It’s a little crazy.
http://mockdraftable.com/player_embed/4785/
I have seen people say he has a great work ethic and the fact that he is a great blocker with good hands ain’t hurting
I heard that too. IMO, he’s going to rise like Cody Lattimer last year.
Yeah when people were saying he was a 5th round pick i could not work it out – good hands, work ethic and elite speed =/= 5th round pick. Think he goes in the 3rd but not sure where or if he will be in the eagles range.
Conley isn’t without his flaws though. He doesn’t explode out of his stance so it takes time for him to get up to speed and he doesn’t offer much RAC skills. His ability to beat people vertically and horizontally is what people are really liking.
He’s also really intelligent, seems to read coverages well, finds holes in zones.
Well yea there’s that too but I was talking about on the field.
So was I! Meant Football IQ I guess.
He has some injury issues. Didn’t establish himself as a starter until his junior year, and his production doesn’t seem to match his ridiculous athletic ability. Generally I think 3-5 is where he will go.
He doesn’t have the stats but that doesn’t mean he didn’t produce. UGA has just as a funky offense as Georgia Tech.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2375644-georgia-football-chris-conleys-breakout-performance-at-combine-was-no-surprise
Our media (national or local) are getting creepy.
There’s always a not so subtle stalker vibe to media coverage of prominent figures. It’s because people tend to be voyeuristic so stuff like this will always titillate.
Need more pics of Chip’s companion to determine if creepy…
well done chipper!
this is old news… she has been his girl since 2013. surprised its been so under the radar up til now considering our beat reporters are barely a step above a tabloid
her name is Jessica
Jessica Rabbit? hooooooooowl!
chip wishes… think that chick gave me my first boner, along with Nicole Edgart of course and kelly Kapowski
whoa CHip! look out.
I wish he didn’t have a girlfriend though, it could be hurting the team.
we hired him under the assumption he was all football all the time.
I think we know that can no longer be true.
You’re kidding, right? Belichick has a pretty attractive Girlfriend, do you think he’s not working as hard as he used to work when he was younger?
Jim Harbaugh is a very religious family man – didn’t stop him from working hard, ever. At Stanford, he was even babysitting for his assistants so they can go on date night.
I mean, yes, I prefer the HC of “my” team to think about Football 24/7, but I really can’t blame him a tiny little bit if he wants to have some fun in his life.
they were already dating chips first year here. if we didnt have a problem with his work ethic, there is no reason to even worry about it going forward… this isnt new.
wonder what its like to date chip kelly. its not like you are occupied raising his kids, I would think his girlfriend better have some serious hobbies or responsibility to be able to handle going out with this workaholic who probably is so obsessed that he had pigskin condoms made( he busts out the “laces out Marino edition” for her ribbed pleasure on special occasions)… cant imagine she would last very long with chip complaining about a lack of quality time…. “Hey Babe? wanna come to Baylors pro day with me to watch Bryce Petty throw? it will be romantic”-chip “suave” kelly…. “come sit on my lap while I watch tape of this D3 fat slob lineman”
If I’d be a woman interested in dating Chip I would wonder if walking, talking and thinking are the only things he’s so incredible fast at. 😉
I heard a story from a College Basketball coach who heard about 9/11 the first time when his team needed to take a flight to an away game and there was more security at the airport – about two weeks after 9/11 or something like that. He asked the security person “What do you mean, terrorist threats?” This guy literally didn’t give a sh*t about anything other than Basketball.
Chip is a person I would like to drink a beer or two with – and not only talking about football. So I could assume women could feel he’s an interesting person, because he has knowledge not only about football.
LMAO..wow!!! dude was oblivious to 911..LOL crazy….. chips def a cool dude, but if a woman isnt busy raising his kids, she better have some serious hobbies or she better be a workaholic in her own career.. maybe be a doctor who works nights and tripple shifts to be able to handle his work hours….
Women probably think he’s interesting b/c he has money and power
#hottakes from chips 1 hour session.
1) Sam Bradford is his QB
2) Watkins is going to compete for starting safety
3) I love Chip in press conferences
4) Every player is on the trade block at this stage
5) Chip loves this WR draft
WR class this year is a little deeper in day 2 than last year.
I guess Chip didn’t like what Watkins did at CB. Watkins did play some safety in college and has almost the same skillset as Jenkins.
Think they looked at him and felt he could not be a high level starter at CB after a year, and felt he has the upside/potential to be that at safety. Think it is interesting that after missing out on McCourty they really did not touch any of the other safety crop, showed no real interest in people that from the outside seemed like good fits.
My assumption is that they see one of Wolff or Watkins turning into (at least) a serviceable, replacement level safety, and that there was no reason to buy another replacement level guy in FA when ours are on rookie contracts. When a clear upgrade comes along, I’m sure they’ll go for it like they did McCourty.
This seemed our theme in free agency this year. If you could get a really good player sign them – but otherwise move on to other options. Had no interest in the 2nd tier WR or OL market either after missing out on Maclin/Franklin.
i love THAT approach! either sign a player you LOVE, or keep it moving… signing a guy just because he is the next best player available at a need is how you end up stuck with players who arent GOOD ENOUGH! love this approach.. we couldnt get a top OL, or Safety? no problem, go get a Top RB…. LOVE IT
my assumption is that they dont think it will be hard to grow a young player to give us at least as much as we got from nate
Anyone know where Watkins would of graded out in the draft as safety? 4th rd talent CB… if he was drafted to play S would it of been any different?
to add:
1) was surprised to hear him talk up Barbre and Not Tobin
2)boykin is in play for outside CB, now that we have a plethora of inside options.. player who performs the best on the outside will start opposite of Byron, and Boykin has as good of a shot as anyone this year
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3) meco,kendricks and Kiko will all be here…
4) like we suspected we saw more man coverage against us in year 1, last year we saw more zone, chip said he thinks it will probably change back to man this year..
5) sproles will no longer be a RB, we will see him now used similar to how he was used in NO, as a pass catching mismatch weapon
6) real possibility that we actually carry 4 RB’s
I was befuddled by the Boykins-related comments. So now he is a possible competent outside option but last year he wasn’t?
He basically said it was hard to make a change mid season because he was taking reps at slot and not outside. Chip kinda implied battles happen in camp and where they end is how they plan starters to be once season starts.
Given how poorly Fletcher had played, I kind of thought that was a weak excuse and not acknowledgement that they didn’t make the correct decision to bench Fletcher.
it could be a weak excuse but still be true,.
yup… for example had Nolan not gotten hurt in camp, he probably would have taken Brads spot. Nolan was our best corner last offseason. that wasnt a lie, it was the truth. he was performing every day…. also the CB position is alot about confidence and continuity,. Im sure Billy felt that if he benched Brad in the middle of that slump without giving him a chance to battle out of it, it would ruin any chance to go back to brad and we probably would have had to ask him to move to Dime, which he probably hadnt practiced much,…
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basically I get the same impression as you, they will decide who plays outside and inside with the camp battles and try to stick with it and build some continuity
well he was always our #2 CB backing up Brad… Bradley hasnt played 32 games the past two year, so Boykin has actually seen game time on the outside so you can judge for yourself… of course i dont really get your point when we are talking about a 4th year player… is it that hard to imagine he will be better prepared to play outside then he was 2years ago in his 2nd season?.. im telling you right now, we have corners who are a little better then people think, people are going to be running their mouths even more about how Billy left Bradley outside when they see some of our corners are a little better then what they imagine
Bradford isnt a trade chip, but he is on the trade block. Me so confused.
If the Seahawks were to offer Russel Wilson plus a 1st round pick for him, Bradford would be traded. Just because a guy is on the “Trade Block” doesn’t mean that he will realistically be traded.
Yeah, I was just being difficult.
I agree with Sporran. CK isn’t afraid to pull the trigger if he thinks it’s in the team’s interest.
So the gist of all (confirmed by Lurie) is that Kelly made a power play this winter and pushed Roseman completely out of all football-related decisions. Additionally, the scouting process is also going to be run by Kelly and his people too.
Kelly was just BSing that it was all up to Lurie. Clear Kelly went to Lurie (likely in late Dec after Christmas) and said ‘him or me’ to Lurie.
What I don’t get is why Lurie said Roseman wasn’t a ‘football guy’ in his comments and kind of indirectly criticized him after praising him so strongly late in 2012 & deflecting any criticism of up until this offseason.
Clear as day now that Lurie strongly prefers to have one guy in charge of football-related manners but only after proving themselves a bit. He did it with Rhodes shortly after he became coach making him a GM after his 2nd season. Rhodes was pretty much a disaster as a GM and stretched too thin as grumbles about his coaching grew in the ’96 offseason & during ’97. Did the same thing with Reid naming him EVP of football operations in ’01. Definitely had more positive results than with Rhodes but it still felt like it was too much along with producing mediocre results in the draft overall with poor results the last few years here.
Maybe this time is different but I have a feeling it will kind of end in the same fashion too. The only thing I saw this offseason was that Kelly didn’t like the team he had the last 2 seasons and largely blew it up with anywhere from 4-5 new starters on each side of the ball next year.
u r just figuring this out?
So, like, on your planet, you can post the same BS over and over again, make up stories, pretend you have sources, “hear” things, and play revisionist history…..but, someone makes a thoughtful comment summarizing their opinion…..
And you make a snarky, condescending remark…..and that’s okay? Right?
This is why everyone wants you to go away.
Hee haw hee haw
Lol. It would really surprise me if he had multiple user accounts given the amount of his posts/day.
I have long wondered that.
Lurie didn’t speak formally on these issues until the NFL meetings this week.
i dont believe a single word lurie says anymore. If he told me the sky was blue i wouldnt believe him at this point. Its to a point i really hope he never talks again. rather not hear from him then to just have our intelligence insulted
That’s not good. Evidence and facts from a source you may not like is still evidence and facts. A broken clock is right twice a day, unless it’s military time.
what evidence does Lurie provide?
No just remarking you said you wouldn’t believe him if he said the sky is blue. That’s pretty intense.
Well on the plus side a college HC is probably more liken to the role Kelly now holds than is conventionally thought. Sure Kelly had football guys doing leg work for him at Oregon but he had final say in all football matters for sure.
I liked the Rhodes hire (the same way I wanted Bradley), but IMO he wasn’t a junkie like CK. Rhodes never recruited in college and I don’t think he went to nearly as many Pro Days or workouts as CK. CK eats, sleeps, and breathes football. There aren’t many coaches/people like CK.
That fact has me more optimistic than not. Here’s another example that I can use to explain my optimism. I was told of this guy (from a trusted source) who is a tech genius. He took an exam to get hired by a security company, but they give you a week to learn of the vulnerabilities and then give you a few hours to see how many you can get in the short period of time. In the week, not only did he find the vulnerabilities, he made a script to find all of the vulnerabilities for the day of the test. So the day of the test, he just hung out until the script was done running. The level of dedication and genius there is off-the-charts and I see the same parallel with CK. He puts so much effort to make sure he understands the whole picture, so that every move he makes is researched and thought out.
Just my two cents, but I think he and Rhodes are vastly different.
Rhodes are far from Lurie’s first choice either. He went after multiple other coaches including Johnson in ’94. There was supposedly an imminent deal with Vermeil in Jan ’95 until it fell apart at the last minute.
This is the reason why thing broke down with Vermeil from an article in the Reading Eagle:
“Two days later, things completely broke down. Apparently Lurie got nervous about the fact he was hiring a guy who hadn’t coached since 1982, and who wanted to not only be coach but GM.“Understand this was a risky offer,” Lurie told the Reading Eagle after negotiations broke down,“Because it was an offer to someone who hadn’t coached in 12 years, but yet someone I had great hope and respect for.”
Lurie continues, “He’s an intense competitive guy, and I think he was bitter that we were unwilling to really meet his requirements. I just don’t think that would have been responsible for this football team to put us in the situation where we just didn’t know how well Dick would do.”
Vermeil had a different take on why things broke down. “In nine hours of meetings-three, three-hour meetings, every time I mentioned football things, he said, ‘I’d like to be collaborated with, but the final decision will be yours’. And then when it (the contract) became written, it just wasn’t that way.”
Lurie then pursued Shanhan but he was named the Broncos’ head coach a week later. Lurie then pursued three other candidates
Gary Stevens who was OC for the Dolphins; Tony Dungy who was the DC for the Vikings, and Ray Rhodes who was the DC for the 49ers.
Stevens was the early frontrunner but Rhodes ultimately won the job.
I didn’t read nearly enough sports news like this during that time (but I was only 19 in 95). Good stuff.
Think it was more of a perception at the time that the Eagles’ job wasn’t that desirable and Lurie was largely an unknown quantity as an owner.
Johnson said ‘no thanks’ despite being offered total control. Shanahan also turned down the Eagles and Vermeil backed out after there was some uncertainty about his degree of final control on football decisions.
Kelly was different because I do think he was Lurie’s first choice all along.
I love when people label Lawlor an apologist. As though giving Kelly the benefit of the doubt, and respecting his opinion over a fan or writer’s is somehow defective logic. Time will tell indeed. I predict those same people will be ranting about something else next year.
Reality check: The money saved by cutting Jackson last year paid for Maxwell’s contract this year. Is there anyone who realistically believes that Jackson would have helped last year more than Maxwell will help next? All that “taking the top off” nonsense conveniently ignores how many receivers were open deep last year and simply missed by either Foles or Sanchez. Everyone is pretty much ok with saying that KC overpaid for Maclin, yet they wanted the Birds to pay that amount for Jackson last year. No logic.
My problem wasn’t that they got rid of Djax as much as I think after the draft or close to the draft, maybe someone would have given up a 5th or a 6th. Something is better than nothing. Maybe a player swap or something?
Outside of that, I’m along for CK’s ride. I’m still nervous about SB’s knees, but we shall see.
Think the whole Desean situation got outside of their control, and decided we cannot be bothered with this. Once all the ‘gang’ stuff got out there he had little to no trade market. Remember he signed a contract as a FA for less than what he was getting from the eagles, so its not like there were teams lining up for him.
I’m still ok.
LOL @the name
You think Denver fans haven’t been worried about Peyton’s health since they got him? You think the Pats weren’t worried about Brady’s health after he missed a year. Think the Packers aren’t praying Rodgers goes into the postseason healthy next year? Not too many fan bases don’t worry about their QB for one reason or another. Doesn’t make it wrong to worry, but it’s pretty much unavoidable.
Uggghhh, does this mean I have to start doing yoga to relieve the stress?
Beer. Or at least beer smoothies.
If you told me I could have Jackson back for Maxwell and still have Carey Williams, I would do it. Not sure what that means about me.
I am aboard the Chip Wagon btw… I just know I wouldn’t do things the way he is. Which is why I am not in his position.
I will never like Cary Williams. Even when he was in Baltimore (lived there at the time) he was a guy that most fans didn’t like there either. When the fans heard he might come back this offseason, the ones I talked to weren’t too happy about it. I think he’ll fit in well in Seattle with the trash talking, but IMO without the talent.
But hey were fans and were supposed to disagree about these things.
Yeah people here hate him. They let me have it when we got him. To me he is a quality starting corner. He isn’t going to make the pro bowl, but he is good enough to win a championship with.
He’s going to get picked on a lot in Seattle. We’ll see where he is, but he does have a remarkably better secondary than we have here. If they let him get away with grabbing like the other defenders on that team, he’ll be fine.
I lOVE C-Dub… always will appreciate him coming in and trying to put some teeth back into our defense that was historically gutless in 2012.. He is frustrating when getting dumb penalties, But Id go to war with him as our #2 CB any day… but he cant be the best CB on your team
There’s nothing wrong with trying to bring some intensity, but there’s a limit to being reckless about it. CW is a reckless player and isn’t that game speed fast to make up for it.
Dawkins brought that same fire to the secondary and he didn’t have the penalties or recklessness.
thats why Cary and Dawkins dont deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence together… Id be fine starting Cary across from Maxwell, but not at the Price Cary cost…. stick a good safety behind him and you can win a superbowl with him at CB…
loved hearing Chip say, past decade Philadelphia Eagles have a history of not drafting good DBs, so we went out and had to spend money.
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I know people are worried about that 2nd CB position, but I feel really good about it… we have like 3-4 talented kids who are going to really battle over that starting spot this summer, and such a deep intense competition should eventually provide us with a very capable #2..
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I love that these past two years chip has been cross training our corners. So while we only saw boykin play in the slot, every single practice he has gotten snaps outside. people think that because we didnt play Boykin outside, he has no shot of ever playing outside and I dont believe that to be the case. For starters, its not at all uncommon to see young corners spend their first 3-4 years playing nickel CB, and later in their career(2nd nfl contract), Move outside. Heck just look at Davon House and the other GB corner… slot corners, who are now getting their chance to move outside. Like Chip pointed out, Boykin was Bradleys backup outside, so he had to get snaps outside.
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I see fans that were pleased with Nolan Carrol’s first year as oour Dime corner, but completely rule him out as an outside CB, which is just ridiculous considering he was an outside CB who we moved inside for the first time in his career. if you liked Nolan inside after his first year ever playing in the slot, why would you automatically rule him out playing his true position? the position he played to get in the NFL, the position we watched film of him playing in the NFL that made us sign him in free agency… just because you saw Bradley start over him, its foolish to automatically rule him out…
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what I adore is that we now have a plethora of cross trained CB’s that can all play inside and outside, thats extremely valuable, not only for some major competition that should help players improve, and its huge for depth and all types of subpackage versatility:
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1) Byron Maxwell, quality corner experienced playing inside and out, which allows us to add the option of shadowing a teams #1 WR instead of just lining one up on the right and the left like we always do. Nice to have a shadow option who can stick with a guy like Dez, even if theyu try to free him up moving in the slot
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2) Walter Thurmond, NFL experience inside and out, proving it at the highest level aka the Legion of Boom. Not Ideal height outside but Maragos claims he might have the longest arms out of anyone he has ever seen his size..like Boykin, he has displayed that playmaking Gene.. we could move Boykin outside if he wins the battle in his 4th NFL season, and still get high level nickel play and play making ability with Walter in our nickel
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3) boykin: one of the best slot corners in the NFL, who has handled himself well when elite outside WRs like Dez tried to test him in the slot. Lacks the height, but crazy vertical leap and elite athlete that can allow him to play really sound positional football which can overcome some height advantages.. we only saw him play inside but he has been taking snaps outside for years, and he got some NFL game time on the outside when guys like Brad got hurt. chip doesnt have to worry about losing him from the slot now that we have Thurmond. If Boykin out performs all our corners on the outside, so be it, he will play outside and we will be fine inside.
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4) Nolan Carrol, a lifelong outside CB, who we signed as an outside CB, yet ended up playing him inside in our Dime package, and he handled himself really well in his first year playing inside which is not an easy transition. He has the size our other options lack, pretty good, fluid athlete, very smart and tough player. I would not be the least bit surprised to see him win the outside CB spot and hold it down playing well
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5) Jaylen Watkins. very intelligent player. Says something that we trusted him enough to practice him at safety, outside and inside CB in practice during his rookie season. Thats impressive mental acumen, considering usually you start a rookie off in one role, and once he handles it and makes the NFL transition then you start to expand his role… for chip to throw him in the deep end, having him practice at all 3 positions in year 1 is impressive. He will be in the mix for the safety competition, but if he doesnt win the starting safety spot, at the very least he will put up a fight for the DIME CB spot..
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6) Heck our safety Malcolm jenkins can play Safety, outside CB and slot CB
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with this plethora of versatile CB’s/DBs, not only should the camp competition be a real battle that pushes our guys to improve, but we have all types of subpackage options with this type of versatility, Heck we can do some interesting things in Dime and even a Quarters defense, heavily disguised.
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Really excited about how improved we should be in coverage this year, as well as our depth and subpackage versatility.. Once we get a safety who will play at a little higher level then Nate this could become a really nice defense. Not only should the backend give up less X plays this year, I assume they will turn around and play the ball much better then our corners did last year, and most important, cut down on the dumb 3rd down penalties on the back end.. Front 7 should be even better then Last year because young beasts are a year older, stronger more experienced, on top of our improved DB coverage, Barwin, Marcus smith, Kiko Alonso and Kendricks, thats as much high level LB coverage ability as anyone has.. If BG can take the next step, really explode and have a double digit year, this defense can be really good..Curry vs. BG?? who has more sacks this year?
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if we get high caliber Guards, with these RBs that wont lose yardage and grind away 1st downs 3 yards at a time, until we break a long one, our defense should be rested, and they should be much much better at getting off the field on 3rd then they have been since like 2008….. If the Defense gets off the field much better this year, and demarco and the OL methodically churn out 1st downs, we should wear defenses down more then EVER, and come the second half our OL/RG should really take over!!! Fingers crossed that we add two quality guards that will allow it
How can you feel really good about the second CB? I do think the overall secondary will be a bit better but that is largely a result because the baseline performance the last 2 years is low.
because I have actually seen Nolan Carrol play snaps outside for the Dolphins. its not like I have some super secret dolphins practice footage that you arent privy to,.. you want to know? go watch him play outside CB. if not, then play the wait and see game..watch him for yourself…you should try it instead of going to default Negadelphia mode over every single unknown… an unknown for you, isnt an unknown for a coach… believe it or not, the news you heard all throughout last offseason was TRUE. Nolan was our best CB all summer. That wasnt made up. He was BALLING, out performing all our CBs all summer…had he never gotten hurt in August, I assume we wouldnt even be having this combo, because you will have already seen a year of him on the outside had he not gotten hurt… and if Healthy, Thurmond can PLAY!! he will have something to say about that outside CB competition if he is healthy
He has looked good on the outside for us as well. I think you made some really good points.
thank you sir… last year was the first time he ever played inside… all the tape that our scouts and coaches watched that made us want to sign him was of him playing outside CB, not inside where we played him last year, I find it insane that fans can like how he played inside, but automatically rule him out at his real position, just because he is an unknown that they havent seen… i dont get it but whatever…
If Carroll had a great camp (I don’t remember it) and got hurt, why didn’t we bench Fletcher for him?
Regarding the secondary, you simply can’t defend Billy D other than saying we didn’t have talent (if we didn’t had talent, we won’t have talent now, only Thurmond is new when it comes to the 2nd outside CB).
read my other comments if you want. i already gave my thoughts on it.. but ok..
Not wanting Fletch to lose his confidence is maybe true, but it’s no good excuse AT ALL.
I was ok with keeping Billy D because of the improvements on the front 7. But the only legit argument you can make for that mess of a secondary last year that does excuse Billy D from it is lack iof talent. If you don’t want to make that argument, and you, GEagle, don’t want to, praising Boykin and Carroll, then you HAVE to blame Billy D, imo. One of the worst starting CBs of the league having confidence issues if you bench him for his horrible performances is a explanation, but not a good one.
never said it was a good excuse, or that I agreed with it… just saying that our CBs may be a little better then people expect is all
OK, mate. It’s just, you have to blame Billy D for Fletcher then, there is no other way around it. It was either Carroll and Boykin weren’t good enough, or Billy D letting the most untalented one start.
But you can make the point that you are making.
im not even trying to talk about Billy…what point am i trying to make lol….Im not happy with how last season played out. my blame doesnt stop at Billy… Chip approves every defensive gameplan, he is in contact with Billy Davis all game and chip is a master of exploiting defenses and chip kelly the headcoach didnt tell Billy “cut the shit, get the fuck out of single high and give that CB help”, so Chip is to blame, Billy is to blame, Brian Dawkins ripped Nate a new Asshole and blamed him more then anyone… there alot not to like… but if we were in single high in nickel or dime, it means one of the safeties is near the box… so while sure I can rip Billy for not getting both CB some safety support, but then If teams start running the ball down our Nickel and Dimes defenses throat, then I have to hear people bitch even more like the saints game… I blame Billy, I blame Chip, I blame Nate, and I blame whoever the hell was picking the players…sure we could have yanked Bradley when he lost his confidence, stuck Nolan outside, and then what? teams force us into dime and pick on Bradley in the slot when he replaces Nolan?… instead of going crazy over it, im kind of re signed to part of it is we just didnt have enough horses.
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Finally it looks like we have some serious DB talent, some nice depth, and all we lack is a safety, and who knows maybe a young player like Wolff surprises us.. but even if we dont have a safety, we have so many better pieces in place that I expect Billy and our Secondary to be much better then last year in a bunch of different ways… not giving up X plays, turning around going after the ball coming down with more INTs from the corners, lessor penalties that keep us from getting off the field in the back end… think we are much improved from a talent stand point so what happened last year is done with, we have better talent so Im going to expect BILLY AND the DB coach to do BETTER!… if we have to have this discussion again a year from now you can bet ill be furious… but im nbot going to go crazy ripping billy when i knew we didnt have the horses to be good enough anyway… you cant have NATE AND Brad in the same secondary… Cary cant be your BEST CB… what do we really expect? now we have two CB from the Legion of Boom, hopefully they stay health with Nolan, and we will have the talent for me to be able to expect drastic improvement and be pissed if i dont see it..,. nate allen SUCKS, i knew that going into the season, how do you want me to crucify billy when half our secondary was Brad and Nate? fuckin amazng we started 9-3 with those mutts
yup
I can’t say I feel *really* good, but there are enough possible answers that one of them should be at least decent. I’m more concerned about the second safety spot (and safety depth); the way it is now one of the above corner candidates may have to move to safety.
Watkins did play S in college and Wolff has been injured for two years. If he’s healthy, he may be the guy too. We’ll see where they are with 3 years/1 year in the system.
Wolff is definitely a candidate… but you prefer to have more than one. Watkins didn’t really earn his way onto the field at either CB or S, so you are hoping for a big leap in year 2. Seems like a stretch, but maybe he could be a good backup. I guess I have no idea about Couplin. With Wolff, you need to hope that that the injury last year was the reason for his struggles, and that it has been fixed long term, and that he improves to be better than rookie year (we needed improvement, not regression). While it’s all possible you do want more possible answers than that — some will work out, some will fail. I think we have enough of those potential answers at CB; S seems thin unless some of those CBs are being looked at for safety as well. I guess we’ll find out in training camp.
Couplin is a very good athlete, if they can coach him up he might be a steal.
whats up with prosinski? is that dude still on our roster or did his contract expire. seemed like a beast of a special team player
I think he signed a two-year contract, so unless he was released, he’s still with the team. But like Colt Anderson, I’m not sure he was a serious threat to actually start at safety.
i certainly feel much better about our CB position then Safety… but i also learned a long time ago not to rule out young players just because they didnt provide instant gratification the year before….I certainly wouldnt bet money on Ed Reynolds being our safety solution, but i wont sit here and rule him out without knowing either.. epecially when we have a coach who is obsessed with special teams, and had ace ST backups like Prosinski and Maragos occupying the backup safety spots, so how can i rule out Ed Reynolds not making a nice year two leap and legit throw his hat in the safety competition?
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I was down on wolff like everyone else, until I found out we friggin misdiagnosed the kid and he was probably suffering for two years fighting to play thru it while we all got on him, telling him there was nothing wrong with his Knee. Loved that we shut him down months ago. we found out whats wrong, so we can now address it and give him plenty of time to get healthy…and once that kid gets healthy, I assume he will be a pissed off bat out of hell for how people doubted him, questioned his toughness after he is so hungry to play.. if that kid fails, it wont be because of ability.. he has all the tools to be as good as almost any safety. how good he becomes will be determined by his football brain, health and work ethic… but i wont rule that kid out now that we know whats wrong with him and he is actually getting treatment
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Watkins or any of the CBs who lose the 4 cornerback battles can be interesting competitors for safety spot.. A guy like Nolan is physical enough to handle it
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I expect our young players to be better then we have ever seen them… how much better? is better going to be enough? those are the questions… young players who get coached up and work hard, improve!!!
With you 100% on the Guards. Wouldn’t bother me at all to draft OL first 2 rounds.
id like one at least from the first two rounds, and the 2nd no later then rounds 3,4, 5 at the absolute latest… But I would love to see them get both right away, I want the Oregon Guards who I already can count on being athletic enough and handle our crazy up tempo scheme…:
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1) Trade back a few spots from 20, get an extra 3rd round and Draft Oregons Jake Fisher, Next years RG(RT of the future)
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2) Round 2-3, Oregons Hironiss Grasu G/C, starting LG next year, but would slide over to center if Kelce ever gets hurt. High character, very intelligent, athletic leader..
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both players recruited by Chip. Both extremely athletic,versatile, 1 can play tackle, the other can play Center, both can start at Guard.. and we know both 300lb men can handle playing and practicing at our fast tempo that can be described as “Football on Meth”
You may only end up with one of them. If some of the other ones are on the board, CK may pull the trigger on someone different.
we’ll see… maybe…i certainly cant sit here and tell you that you are wrong
So you’re good with the coaches evaluation of Boykin not being fit for the outside, but you don’t agree with their take on Nolan Carroll.
lol
I believe this is the longest comment I have ever seen.
edit: Word tells me this is over 1,100 words. Wow.
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If it’s true that Jeff Fisher and Les Snead wouldn’t have traded Sam Bradford unless they got a QB they liked back…..I’m not so sure we had to throw that 2nd-rounder into the trade. I don’t actually think the value is bad, but thats because I don’t like Nick. Interesting situation.
Kelly says, as a rule, he wants to keep draft picks because that’s how you build a team.
Kelly also says, the negotiations for Bradford did not include any players until the end of the discussions, when the Rams said they wanted a player (i.e., Foles).
And, we know from the actual deal, Kelly unconditionally dropped a round in 2015 and gave up a 2nd in 2016.
So my questions is . . . if the Rams didn’t ask for any players until the *end* of the negotiations, HOW MANY DRAFT PICKS was Kelly — who claims he doesn’t want to part with picks — offering for Bradford?
If the deal Kelly was offering — prior to the alleged “11th hour demand for a player” by the Rams — was just a future 2nd with a swap of 4 & 5, the Rams would have sent Bradford to Cleveland for their 1st.
Otherwise, the deal on the table had to involve LOTS of picks. Had to.
I believe nothing Kelly says. Zero.
Great analysis.
**I believe nothing Kelly says. Zero.**
I agree with this. Same with Lurie. And I’m fine with it. Nature of the beast.
Sure. Not criticizing.
But Kelly should get his story straight, that’s all.
In court, that’s called . . . “liar, liar, pants on fire.”
keeps everyone guessing.. he wants to reveal nothing.. and really hasnt… bravo chipper.. keep it close to the vest..
I’m not a big fan of coaches treating the fans as though they’re stupid and their opinions don’t matter.
Reid revealed nothing. But he didn’t do it was the level of disdain that Kelly seems to enjoy.
Such is life.
you want him to take the fans opinions to heart? thats kinda weird…the fans opinions shouldnt matter, i dont think id want a coach who listens to the fans.. why do you think he treats the fans as if they are stupid? i think he likes to give the reporters a nice SMUGGING.. but i dont think you should take that personally, as a fan. im happy he keeps close to the vest…
why tell the reporters his plans or ideas… whos it benefit..the other 31 teams…
yeah but it’d be nice of his lies were consistent so that I could understand what he really meant. Sometimes he’s just so all over the place that I can’t read him.
I wonder if he’s like that in real life, that’d be a terrible way to live.
A . . .
Exactly.
i hear ya but maybe he does that on purpose.. im not saying its good he messes with the media and in turn the fans but maybe thats how he likes it.. noone know whats right or wrong or if they’ve even heard the truth yet… ambiguity is king? perhaps.. id be nice to know the truth but its not looking like that’ll happen anytime soon..
the D –
you may be right. fair enough
great discussion. til next time ACV
vaya con dios!
Not what I’m saying. At all.
What I’m saying is, Kelly can dissemble all he wants.
Just don’t make conflicting statements and pass them off as serious ideas. It’s insulting.
More media than fans I think.
MKSP:
I think you’re right . . .
Proctology exams by the media are the bane of coaches in every sport in every city at every level.
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And now that I think about this some more —
The great Casey Stengal (10 World Series in 12 seasons for NYY, 7 titles), when he managed the Yankees and Mets simply babbled incoherent gibberish a lot of the time.
Fans actually loved him for it.
Players, not so much. Because in all that mumbling, he’d take shots at players.
Chip Kelly Truth Meter:
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PPK:
That’s great.
Keep it handy.
Way to bring out the legal jargon!
Which means he wanted to move on from Foles from the get-go.
Interesting and poignant analysis.
He can’t come out and say that he didn’t like Foles or didn’t think he’s a franchise QB, but instead he focuses on the skills of SB.
So here’s a question about Roseman being demoted and CK picking his guy (since he wants to stick to his board). If CK values picks, Howie gave up a couple to get Matthews when CK wanted him in the 1st round. Could this be an added factor to Roseman’s demise and split between the two (besides the other stories that came out)?
AG . . . interesting question.
What that would mean, if true, is Kelly really did not want Marcus Smith in Rd 1 — and Roseman pulled that trigger over the coach’s objection.
Or if Kelly thought they should have jumped up for ODB. Would it be wort a 1 and a 2 vs a 2 and 3 (i believe) for J. Matt?
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Kelly seemed to create the impression (from the snippet I saw) that “IF I’D BEEN IN CHARGE, ODB WOULD BE AN EAGLE.”
Kelly’s just pounding Roseman.
Won’t have that luxary after April 30th.
I’m pretty sure you can find him saying so prior to OBJ showing his talent with NYG. Not saying it wasn’t a dig at HR, just saying it’s not as phony as it may appear in terms of hindsight.
Or the offer could have been this year’s first (20th), swap of 4 & 5, and next year’s 2nd. St. Louis was fielding offers from Cleveland and at least one other team. After weighing the offers, they could have come back with the we’ll take Foles and you keep your 1st proposition to the Eagles.
Obviously, Chip values Bradford’s abilities above any NFL stat lines. QB is the single most important position in the NFL. If Chip and his personnel staff determined there were only 15 – 16 true first round grade talents in this year’s draft (a position being touted by a number of analysts), and the cost to guarantee MM selection was too great, Bradford for this year’s first, a swap of 4 & 5 (we had 2 4s this year), and a 2nd from next year’s does not seem like too many picks for the potential gain in Bradford. What impact player will be sitting at 20 when the Eagles pick? How many picks would the Eagles have to give up to move up for any impact player?
Is Chip openly sharing the exact details of a trade negotiation? Why would he? The conjecture will always be about who was offering what in these instances. For the most part, we won’t know the details until those involved are out of the league.
Maybe so. Would be a reasonable structure.
As an aside, I don’t remember Kelly ever saying that QB is the most important position on an NFL team?
Has he?
You could be right on that as I can’t recall an exact quote to that effect, more an overall sense of what wins in the NFL. For his system, I do think he looks at QB and OL as the cornerstones for success.
Yea…best to not take anything Chip says at face value. He rarely if ever tells the truth unless he’s talking about how much he loves Brent Celek. Kelly can say all he wants about being morally opposed to trading away draft picks or moving up for certain players, but he insisted on trading up for Matthews, he traded a pick for Sproles, and he traded multiple assets including Nick Foles and high pick along w other draft assets for Bradford. If Mariota falls to pick 6 or 10 you can bet Chip will be all over the phones seeing what it would take to move up. If it’s Bradford, pick 20 and the 3rd third we’d get back from the Rams you better believe he’s pulling the trigger. If it’s Bradford, our second this year and our first next year, then yea he’ll probably stick with his don’t mortgage your drafts for one player philosophy. At worst, Chip has a QB he likes a whole lot more than Foles, he still has the option to package him to move up for Mariota if the cost drops enough to make it feasible and he’s maintained enough leverage to not get raped in a trade by showing with his actions and backing it up with his words that he’s totally comfortable with Bradford as the starter and isn’t willing to spend a kings ransom to sell out for Mariota. Most likely scenario is Mariota goes in the top 5 and we continue to hold out hope for the next 5 years that we get him much like Dion Jordan. But, if teams are Luke warm on MM and he falls a bit, Chips seemingly hard set rules on moving up will become a lot more fluid I can assure you that.
i’d put the change of moving up at like 80% could you imagine if sammy b got hurt and we went through the year with sanchize? Maybe they’ll draft a qb too.
Jernst . . .
Nice piece of work there.
It’s kind of like the CEO of a big corporation. It really is his job to protect shareholder wealth and secondarily, to advance his own self-interest. If he considers it in his interests to tell the truth, he’ll do so; if not, all bets are off. He’s not going to say anything that could tip his hand or give his opponents an advantage. The freewheeling, plain-speaking thing is just a glamour, charm. Notice that charm is a verb and it’s done for a purpose.
What happens when you don’t like Sam?
Interesting to hear that chip wanted to keep foles.
he said that?
And he wants to keep EM too. Interesting he put the trade stuff on Mathis, and DR being at the meetings would support that notion. Let’s see how EM responds on twitter.
Well he said yea sure I’d love to have both Foles AND Bradford. Obviously hed love to have everyone especially a QB that he’s one with. But it’s not a ringing endorsement. Clearly he thinks Bradford is much better than Foles and had little problem trading Foles if it meant he could get Bradford. So his statement doesn’t really change anything we didn’t already know. Unless you thought Kelly, who rolled into 2014 with Foles as the undisputed starter, hated Foles and doesn’t even think he’d be a good backup.
CK’s comments in a blog/twitter format.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/3/25/8288405/chip-kelly-marcus-mariota-mychal-kendricks-allen-barbre-josh-huff-media-roundup
I’ve realized something and I need someone to help me out. Casey Matthews is with the Vikings, and Bradley Fletcher signed with the Patriots. Now who do we get mad at when things go wrong?!?
Lets see who we have at guard….
The MEDIAZZ!
Cooper seems to be the odds on favorite at the moment.
Yes!!! How could I miss this? CK kept him on the team -> Cooper isn’t any good -> CK kept him because he’s racist -> Dan Snyder is racist -> therefore, racist guys can’t run a football team.
Okay, I’m set. 🙂
I hope not but if the kid doesn’t produce next year, MSII.
Sad, but true. All jokes aside, I really want this kid to succeed. We will never hear the end of a wasted 1st round pick, CK is in over his head, blah blah blah.
Don’t forget, Sconces is with the Seahawks, Herremans and Cole with the Colts, and Allen with the Raiders…
Sconces should be on the list, but we really never got mad or blamed the Toddfather or Cole when things went bad.
I blamed cole during the seahawks game when RW was running RO all over him.
Fear not! Someone has to man that other safety spot next to Jenkins. That will probably be our go-to guy.
Foles! Oh wait…
If Belichick takes a break from the owners meeting —
Coach . . . here’s the ANSWER to the (rephrased) question you asked in the prior thread:
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“Who’s the best D3 OL you ever saw?
“C’mon, who’s the best D3 OL you ever saw?”
Answer: “You’re lookin’ at him.”
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Nobody has more of the right stuff than Belichick!!!
Armand Jennifer RT from Hopkins.
We were common opponents for both, I texted both my old roommates (one a center the other a DE) and both agreed with me.
So what happened to him? Did he get a shot? Or was he not interested?
I honestly don’t know. He was a two time first team all-american, and prior to his senior season there was buzz that he was the top d3 prospect, so I really don’t know what happened to him. I do recall that he did have a pretty intense science based major, so he may have just not gotten alot of hype and decided to go to grad school.
I mean if Marpet doesn’t get brought to the Senior Bowl by Phil Savage, he probably plays in like the medal of honor bowl, he probably doesn’t get invited to the combine, and you’re looking at a guy who is hoping a scout will pound the table for him on day 3, but odds are that he’s probably a priority UDFA. Which means he would be fighting to make a practice squad, and because he was a UDFA, he’s running with the 4th line instead of the 1s or 2s so he’s being affected by those around him and dealing with fewer reps to make an impression on the coaching staff. Because Savage really put him on Marpet’s likely going in the top 100, will likely get a shot to at least challenge for a starting job as a rookie and short of the wheels completely falling off or injury probably makes rosters in the league for at least 7-8 years due to his versatility.
So — what’s the real story — is Mathis trying to get off the team or is Chip looking to let him go?
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Don’t get caught up in the “I wanted Foles and Brandford” on my team — wasn’t going to happen. Let’s call it — coach speak…
want to get younger at Guard and not pay Mathis 6 mil, while Mathis actually wants a new deal on top of it… twice he has asked for a new deal, and he is making good money for a guard his age, id rather him honor his deal or piss off.. after the injury he should be taking a paycut
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im ready to go young and get rid of all the 31-34 year olds with the exception of Jason Peters, hall of famer needs to retire as an Eagle even if we have to move him to guard rather then see him squeeze out two extra years with another franchise
So if Chip is going to drop him, to get younger etc, why would Mathis’ camp need permission to seek a trade?
so we can try to get value for him instead of dropping him for nothing.. and for Mathis getting trade alloows his to keep his expensive salary and try to renegotiate a new contract with an expensive current salary as leverage, since i assume he is finding out that if we cut him, a 34yr old guard probably wont make more then his current contract on the open market after teams spent most of their cap already
Breshad Perriman ran a 4.26 forty at his pro day. Does this bump his stock to the first round? I’ll hang up and listen
Pro day 40 times i take with a pince of salt but if that is a legitimate time wow… never saw that kind of speed on tape tho. Will be interesting to see if other scouts clocked that speed.
But yes he was a fringe 1st round guy already – he is a first round lock if that time is real.
https://twitter.com/Rand_Getlin/status/580802234000150528
1st Round Lock. 6’2″ / 212 / Sub-4.30.
He’s a nifty route runner too, not just a speed guy. Nightmare for press guys.
Edit: Just read that he has a 14% drop rate, that’s not fun. He’s definitely not a natural on the hands front. Weird mechanics.
Not to mention that he averaged 21 yards per reception in college last year so although he isnt a speedster the kid does have some wheels.
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I am sure Chip will be interested in him because of his physique and the fact that he’s accustomed to blocking often because of the offense that was run at GA Tech.
Him and Conley do not play to their underwear speed on the field.
I agree to an extent. Perriman came from a triple option offense and had over 1000 yards on like 50 catches while averaging 21 yards a catch.That’s not bad at all.
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As for Conley i am not as high on him as most people on this and other blogs are. He had a good combine and all but he really didn’t do much on the field. I know he had some injury concerns but even when he was healthy he definitely didn’t play to his “underwear speed”
If you run sub 4.3 then you don’t get run down by CBs like Perriman/Conley does. True sub 4.3 guys like Chris Johnson, Dri Archer, Djax and Goodwin leave you in the dust.
I hear ya on the sub 4.3 guys but just because you can run really fast in a straight line doesnt necessarily mean that its gonna translate to success in the pros. You named 4 speedsters with only 1 currently being a productive player in the league in Jackson. Johnson has been fased out, Archer can’t see the field, Goodwin just isnt very good.
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Perriman did produce on the field when given the opportunity is what i am saying. 21 yards per reception isnt necessarily getting run down by CBs on a regular basis, that speaks to his ability to get open right there.
college v pros.
Since when does UCF run the triple option?
Has to be hand-held.
Electronic could be low 4.4, high 4.3.
No WAY!!!
Get that man anyway . . . great bloodlines, knows about being a professional, he’s big, and he blocks.
And get Conley, too.
Plus the Amos kid from PSU.
Also, Cummings, Fisher and Grasu.
Then take a flyer on Mariota in the 7th.
No way Brah Mariota wont fall that far – good pick up in the 5th round tho!
Pretty sure you can get Mariota as an UDFA IMHO
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/marcus-mariota-fall-nfl-draft-oregon-quarterback/
like Conley because for a 215lb WR who jumps 45 inch vertical, and comes with blazing speed at 6’2, only bench pressed 4 less reps then Stud first round Guard TJ Clemmings… thats a strong kid, bet he can throw some DBs around if we get him to commit to blocking
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I also like Ty Montgomery, tho Conley I like as a real WR to develop… Montgomery you cant really count on him to be a WR, too many issues. you draft him to be a possible pro bowl return guy, beast ST in all types of roles, really built like a beast RB. and on offense you have to use him like Percy Harvin, jet sweeps, reverses, screens, really quick short passes to get yards after catch… I figure we lost Brad smith, but brad smith brought much more to our special teams, barely bringing anything to us as a WR.. so why not replace Brad with a WR beast of a ST player, who while he wont give us much as a WR, he is explosive and powerful enough to use in gadget role on offense,…wouldnt mind getting Conley and Ty with our 5th round picks, replace Brad and cut Maehl…. draft someone like Strong, Agholar, Devin Smith earlier
On the Ty train early this year. High hopes (like you).
Didn’t play up to talent, it seems.
Here in Georgia, Conley’s taken heat every year — not playing up to his incredible skills is the argument.
The real complaint is, as a freshman, he caught a deflected pass at the ‘Bama 2 yard line with 5 seconds left and couldn’t get out of bounds. Clock ran out. Instinctive reaction. Never forgiven.
Kid’s a beast in the running game.
Ty’s hands are an issue, still didnt polish his route running. But some pro scouts say he has probowl returnman potential and sproles isnt a young man.. he would also replace Brad who never really gave us anything as a WR anyway… brad never added anything to our offense.. even if this kid can be a bubble screen, jet sweep, line up in the backfield and catch short passes type of weapon, he would still provide more offense then Brad did… the kid is cock diesel so he can play alot of ST roles, not just a returned, and while he cant catch or run routes we can still use him as a quick hitter run after catch weapons since he has plenty of foot speed to gain seperation on short routes…
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eagles lost some key ST contributors.. im assuming chip will spend some picks on guys that are also really strong ST contributors to make up the losses of key ST guys like Brad smith, Casey Mathews, James Casey, possibly losing Polk who is a ST beast…
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for a coach who is as crazy about ST as chip, I wouldnt remove Ty from the draft board especially if he really falls on draft day. technically he is a WR and you would count him as such, but this isnt a kid you draft looking to solve your key starting WR spots… screams key ST player at the next level, with the occasional gadget play on offense… if he fell to like the 6th for example, Id draft him for ST alone… Sproles is getting up there in age, Polk is the 4th RB and might not make the team, Huff has to play a Key role on offense probably dont want to risk him on kick returns… I wouldnt be mad to see us add a young stud return man in round 6, as long as we are drafting him to fill the right role… if we are drafting a raw talent to try and develop into a traditional WR, I’d take conley over him in heartbeat
Initial reports were 4.19 first attempt and 4.26 second attempt.
You’re correct, It’s likely more in the 4.35-4.43 range.
Pro days are notorious for guys who ran 4.5s at the combine suddenly running in the 4.3s or very low 4.4s.
A good rule of thumb is to add a tenth for pro day times.
QUESTION:
Was Kelly at BP’s pro-day? Who from Eagles?
if BP visits Jim’s, order his jersey.
I do now know about anyone being there, but if I had to venture a guess… Yes the Eagles had someone there.
Also, no man leaves Jim’s without coming back again and again
My second home when at Penn.
So he ran a 4,4?
He has bad hands so no thanks
He s consentration drops, but is a natural hands catcher. He’s not a body catcher or someone that fights the ball. He can improve same as JMatt. He has every other tool.
NOOO, Momah to Cardinals
That hurts.
Tutored on how to be big and play WR by Fitz.
There somethin’ happenin’ here. But what it is, ain’t exactly clear . . .
For What It`s Worth…
beautiful stuff
In SF,cops heard a rumor there was gonna be a display of anti-social behavior and drove around with loudspeakers warning everyone off the streets and to stay in their homes. Naturally, everybody went out onto the streets to see what was happnin and proceeded to be arrested. Thankfully, Buffalo Springfield was there.
Now THAT is great stuff
You better stop.
Listen…
There’s a man (DJax obviously) with a gun over there…
good maybe now chip is forced to get a New Big Raw WR target to start developing, Preferably one that already realizes he is bigger then every DB, who we dont have to also “teach to play big” like G-tech Darren Waller
Have a little fun with the board guy.
I have to say, it is impressive that a man, without being on a team payroll, keeps himself in good enough shape to make a 90-man roster three years in a row. I bet that is pretty rare.
Kinne!!!
Here’s the Jeff Lurie transcript: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/The-Jeffrey-Lurie-transcipt.html
thanks
What’s the story on the Amos kid at PSU?
Gilman Prep (Baltimore) alum. Played corner for 3 years moved to S senior year.
Over/Under 3 sloppy games before the fanbase call for sam’s head?
Bradford has the sweetest looking motion of any QB out there . . . ‘specially in a clean pocket.
he throws strikes
under
I’ll take the “under” with the line at 1 game.
Ok how about this. over/under 3 quarters?
how about over/under 3 minutes in the first quarter?
TN is in rebuilding mode, they will be patient.
Re: Chip “Crazy Legs” Kelly
Here’s a quote from Kelly’s dental exam today with the media.
— Judging a QB:
“Look at his won-loss record.
“You judge quarterbacks on what their won-loss record is.
“You judge quarterbacks on touchdown to interception ratio.
“You judge them on all those things.”
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Bradford v. Foles
18-30-1 / 15-9 (W-L)
59-38-61% / 46-17-73% (TD – INT – %)
2.2 / 1.9 (INT %)
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I’m guessing there’s more to a QB evaluation than Kelly’s telling us.
yeah i mean we’ll just have to let it play out, not going to get any answers though appreciate that laurie was willing to say more than chip did.
Which do you prefer — the Chip approach, or the Billy B approach?
I guess he is simply projecting Bradford in his offense as better, and the numbers better prove it.
I love his misdirection. If he gave straight answers it would (or could) hurt the team. Not sure why it bothers you. It’s fun. I mean, won-loss record. That’s hilarious. People like my dad and half the TV analysts are nodding their head going “that’s right!”.
RNE:
Doesn’t bother.
It’s just funny.
People actually believe what he says.
But only some of the time.
Other times, the “misdirection” theory is invoked.
The misdirection is when he says stuff that goes counter to my own beliefs. When I agree with him, that is when he is telling the truth.
was bradford playing for Chip when he put up those numbers?
Too lazy to look up, but what is the W-L of the QB Coach(es), OC(s), and HC(s) that Bradford has played for?
What would MM’s record/numbers look like playing for Chip from the start, vs. playing for the Titans or Raiders? What percentage of talent in NFL gets limited by poor fits with teams they’re drafted by? How much better would Dion Jordan be playing OLB in a 3 – 4?
76m . . .
Hey, no argument from me.
I’m just laughing at the ridiculous comment Kelly made — and that he has made over and over again — about QBs’ records, which is obviously bull***t.
Unless we get wire-tapped evidence of Kelly’s private communications, NOTHING the guy says is worth spit.
Think it’s an overstatement to say NOTHING Chip says is worth spit. I do think his interactions with the media require a lot of read between the lines – but I see it as Chip being himself and providing the media and fans with some information, as opposed to being Bilichick-like and never saying anything worthwhile.
its funny because that was our big point for people that didn’t like foles…
Free agent C Stefen Wisniewski is recovering from offseason shoulder surgery after playing with a torn labrum last year.
This would explain why Wisniewski remains on the open market after visiting the Bucs, Seahawks, and Bears, while also drawing interested from the Chiefs and Rams. He’s reportedly seeking $4 million a year, but teams need to feel comfortable with Wisniewski medically before doling out that kind of cash.-roto
we have no room to sign him or he’d already be an eagle.
Kimmo returns tonight! If anyone Boo’s him they should be kicked out of Philly forever! Love me some Kimmo!
Cannot believe some people said there may be boos…. Gah!
“If anyone boo’s him . . . ”
Who’s gonna be there?
Seriously, Flyers fans only boo ex-Flyers who’s parents completely screw up the team’s long-term plans.
Sounds like a similar situation as last year with Mathis. He’s still unhappy with his contract and the birds are using their leverage by saying, go ahead Evan, you’re free to seek a trade and see if another team will pay a 34 y/o G that spent half of last year injured more than $5mil per year and give us a draft pick too. They know he has no leverage and no team will pay him more or give up a pick for him, especially now that he’s a year older and was injured for most of last year. So either Evan can play for $5mil next year or sit out. Hopefully the situation doesn’t get distracting enough that Chip just cuts him outright, otherwise EM will be back at LG next year just like he was last year.
Why is Mathis not happy with this contract? I got it last year, he had a fantastic 2013 and no guar. But now? Why don’t you just play the contract? He’s 34, what do you expect? Guar. money until 2017? No one will give him guar. money for 2016 and why should they?
I love Mathis as a person and I like him as a good, maybe very good Guard in 2015, don’t get me wrong. And I often get when players are unhappy about their contract. But Mathis earns good money and is old. Just deal with it.
I have to disagree. 34 or 24, Mathis is arguably the #1 guard in the NFL, maybe second to Yanda from what I’ve seen. We’re getting good value from his deal.
I’m glad to hear they’re openly considering giving Boykin a shot outside. If he proves he’s a good starter we’re set at CB, if he proves to be overmatched he’ll be a lot easier to resign to play nickle.
Yup, but it’ll be nice to have decent competition at that position. Boykin vs. Thurmond vs. Carroll. If all 3 are healthy, we should get some good play out of that position.
You believe Kelly because why, exactly?
Any time he talks about more or less anything, questions about his dissembling are met with, “Atta-boy, Chip, way to screw with the media and keep the NFL guessing.”
So I’m curious why Kelly should be taken at his word on Boykin . . .
Especially after he gave a lengthy example in his press conference about how straying from your philosophy to make exceptions for over-achieving 5’8″ CBs, only to see them not be tall enough to knock down a pass over their head, confirms his theory about not making exceptions on measureables.
I would answer because (a) somebody’s got to play out there, and (b) what else are we going to do during the slow months but discuss the new information as if it has merit?
Signing two RBs makes a bit more sense when you consider Kelly’s comments about not being able to use Sproles more creatively as a receiving option because he was the #2 RB. Would love to see him work more from the slot and as a great option in the screen game. Also easier to put him in two back sets with Murray or Matthews since they can both lend themselves as lead blockers if need be. With Shady and Spriles both in the backfield the options had to be pass because neither could really be effective as a lead blocker.
Basically it tells me he had little faith in Polk and/or his ability to stay healthy.
Combing your observation with that of Jernst, I don’t think drafting a RB is out of the question.
With the talent available in this draft class at RB, I think it would be silly not to draft one, you know? Kelly strikes me as a guy who would take advantage of drafting the strengths of any given draft. For example taking 2 WR in a deep WR draft and not going with, a safety. Furthermore, since there is a plethora of OL talent in the first this year, I would consider drafting there, a safe option.
Upvote for plethora
It’s interesting Kelly said from day 1 last year that sproles was a RB and that’s how he would be used. Called us silly for thinking he’d be a gadget player, now he’s saying sproles will be more a gadget player – is terrible for eagles nerds
But remember . . .
Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.
Well yea. Polks minimal touches despite decent production when his number was called should have made that obvious already.
Comment from PFT on new extra point rule proposals:
I would rather not risk Bradford injuring himself while trying to learn how to kick. This is, frankly, the worst XP idea imaginable.
You’re right it’s a dumb idea. But to roll with it just a bit, this would be incentive for teams to use the 2-pt conversion on a regular basis. Rather than having DeMarco Murray or Sam Bradford kick, let them run a play.
If that’s the goal, they should just ban the XP kick altogether.
id hate to see the measurable Kelly would go for in that case.
it’s no longer can he block, its can he kick…
How about doing the right thing and take field goals and extra point kicks out of the game entirely.
Yeah, why would you want kicking in FOOTball anyway?
Haha, maybe because it has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the game?
If you can honestly make a case for why it should be a part of the game be my guest.
For my reference I will cite the most recent trip to the playoffs by the Eagles in which the Saints played a forgettable (what 5 minute) clock draining drive to kick a field goal and “win” the game.
Just narrow the damn uprights.
Forget PATS.
There’re too many FGs.
The formation the Pats used to come back against the Ravens is now illegal. Belicheat really doesn’t get enough credit. He all but grabbed a chair and broke it over the Raven’s back. Everyone watching had to say, that sure doesn’t seem fair.
I hope that part of Belicheat rubs off on Kelly a little.
Also shows just what a fine line there is between winning and losing a SB. But for this trickery, the Pats don’t even get there, maybe people start saying Brady is done, etc.
I though the most interesting part about that formation was if the Ravens defended it “correctly” and didn’t cover Vereen who was split out but not elgible, Vereen still could have received a backward pass (lateral) from Brady and would have been uncovered.
I guess we won’t get to see that now.
That’s someone who studies the game both to win and to find that fine line. I’m sure he spends time thinking of new ways to “game the system” while trying to stay in the rules. Even the deflated balls that were to TB’s liking is another example.
I don’t think BB cares about staying within the rules. I think it’s what he thinks he can get away with.
Interesting Momad was signed as a TE not WR.
Yip read on BGN last week about Momah has been working out at TE.. Think is was the vet combine??
yeah — just interested that he’d go from a less physical position to a more phyiscal one given that he had issues with physicality.
You know if hes bulked up for the position or not? Was tall n lanky as WR
dang we love us some Momah stories huh?
He’d have to put on a lot of weight not to get bodied as a blocker.
I thought he looked sub-par blocking second rate DBs. Can’t imagine even with extra weight he’ll be able to take on the blocking responsibilities if a TE.
Should be fun to see if the Cards message boards get as uber excited about a mythical 7’10” TE who once ran a 40 in 2.63 seconds as some did in Philly.
“Kelly’s so dumb for letting him go”
Yea 230-240 sounds huge but on a 6’7″ frame looks skinny and lanky. At his height he would seemingly have to be in the 260 range I’d think to look like a TE.
By comparison Jimmy Graham is 6’7″ as well and at 265 llbs he still looks like a skinny sprinter at TE and he’s always been a tweener WR/TE that was never known for his blocking or physicality.
Momah is listed at 239 llbs. I’d have serious doubts he’d be able to pack on 20-30 pounds of muscle in a years time. That’s almost impossible and even if he could do it, it’d be so much more than his natural body type is designed to carry that he’d have a ton of trouble maintaining that throught a season.
That is interesting but despite having the height and weight numbers to justify the position switch Momah always seemed soft to me. He seemed to play and even look smaller than his measurements. Not sure he has the strength or tenacity to mix it up with the Trent Coles and Terrell Suggs of the world on a regular basis. Hell he barely learned how to use his size enough to box out CBs at the WR spot. Seems like a bigger, long striding pinkston, not the type of guy you’d want blocking and working the short middle. Doubt he makes it as a pure TE.
Boykin wants the outside, he’s already putting it out there.
Well, he already got his head around. So, that puts him ahead of his predecessor.
Martin Lawrence?
Anyone have a link to the CK PC?
can’t find it anywhere.
Lane Johnson is training mixed martial arts with Jay Glazier
Thats awesome, now maybe if our QB ever gets blindsided again instead of J-Pete having to knock someone over Lane can just beat the shit out of em.
I hope he wouldn’t. I can just see the headlines now.
“Lane Johnson goes on IR with broken foot after roundhouse kicking somebody who had a helmet on.”
Been done before: http://i.imgur.com/DRutDqw.gif
“FOOTball”
You mean like:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XKl9WKaYVRw
Chip is out of his mind. Dude is just trying to Hoard talent… Found it interesting that he revealed that we were initially trying to get the Bradford trade done with Draft picks so we could have Bradford AND KEEP the rainmaker/flooder of the black hole aka Nicky Bigtime.. but it became evident that Fisher wasnt going to budge without including Foles in the trade…
You try to keep the Rainmaker FOles just incase Bradford doesnt work out.. Bradford is here the risk of him getting injured again n not working out is a real possibility.. That happens Chip is back to no QB next year.. Well there is Sanchez who signed through
it’s really too bad we couldn’t get rid of matty b — we could have had tebow
huh? we can have tebow right now… its a 90 man roster and we can pay Tebow chump change.. give him a few church candles and call it even. throw in some platinum rosary beads if we need to sweaten the pot!
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Shame Tebow wont be our beast “ST version of the water boy”, while also letting us see if we can turn him into Gronk Jr
I was just joking
really? i thought he had some crazy two QB formation he wanted to run,,,
hahaha
Not Crazy, MM was very successful at it. That is, one QB is a WR.
and in the next sentence chip said even if Mariota falls we wont trade up for him, because he needs and intends on using all his picks, we have positions that need addressing and he kind of sounded pissed off/dead serious about it… I dont believe alot about what he says but today he left me feeling like he really doesnt plan on landing Mariota..
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which makes sense. chip is a very smart, forward thinker., If he wanted MMM as bad as everyone thought, you have to think he would have played Barkley in the meaningful finale against the Giants… Chip has detailed notes on each officiating crew, you cant tell me someone didnt make him aware that winning and losing the Giants game was a difference of picking #16th and 20 which is a pretty big difference if you plan on trading all the way up to secure a top 5 prospects,… If he really wanted Mariota, he isnt dumb, he knew picking 20 instead of 16 basically means having to include an extra 1st rounder then the first rounders it would already take to trade up to 16…. To think Chip is going to to trade up to Mariota is basically saying chip is an incompetant moron, and I dont believe that the least bit… I assume he makes sure he understands every situation in its entirety and there is no way I cAN insult chip thinking he is a moron which he would have to be to plan on trading all the way up for a player and win a meaningless game that cost us falling 4 draft spots. I know chip is smarterand a more forward thinker then that… im not saying he would tank the giants game, but atleasdt he would play all the young backups give them a better chance of losing and then let the chips fall where they may..
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im officially convinced he has no interest in going up for MM because I guess i dont think chip is as dumb as most are suggesting he is gthinking that he would let a meaningless game cost us an extra 1st round pick for the guy he wants… let the Bradford era begin aka SUMMER OF SAM…
Chip has interest there is no way or rumor/report/source that says he doesnt.. Chip says even 2 first round picks is not enough to move up that far where he projects Mariota to go.. Him saying he wont mortgage the future shows the obvious Mariota will go high n too rich for Chip to acquire him
Chip ended the year by saying Nick was the starter and then proceeded to flip him and picks for Sammy B. I think if he’s in striking distance he’ll move up, if not he won’t.
I agree Chip will move up with the right deal. What he said was that he was “philosophically” against trading picks to move up. BUT he also said Columbus kept going even though the prevailing philosophy was that the world is flat. Chip doesn’t think the football world is flat.
I liked how he said Harbaugh coached luck and he didn’t trade up to get him…
the funny thing is we all know now, that anyone should have traded up to get him.
Of all the signs the eagles not playing Barkley is the weakest.
Maybe he was lying. You said you don’t believe what he says then you write posts as if he tells the truth. Of course he was dumping Foles. It was reported the eagles were shopping him senior bowl week.
Give it up kid.
I don’t know if this has already been mentioned or not but according to PFT ARZ has signed Momah. Funny this is, PFT says he is a TE.
You are a “wee” bit late with this info
Lol figured. Like what you did though.
Anyone confused with this comment by Chip..?
Kelly said he had only some input on the draft. The Eagles chose outside linebacker Marcus Smith in the first round last year, but he struggled as a rookie and played sparingly. Receiver Jordan Matthews thrived as a second-round pick, but third-rounder Josh Huff was inconsistent and fifth-rounder Taylor Hart (defensive end) was never active.
Huff and Hart played for Kelly at Oregon, but he said he had nothing to do with their becoming Eagles.
“I stayed out of those guys,” he said. “I’ve done it with every guy from Oregon. I said, ‘You guys make the decisions.’ I had nothing to do with it. I let our scouts and coaches do that.”
So the rumor/reports Chip wanted Hart in the 3rd are false??
No more like gullible people are believing Chip’s bs again.
I like D3FB’s explanation better. 😀
Nope just Oregon bias!
The Eagles had a third round grade on Hart. Which is accurate. Hart as a prospect deserved a third round grade. Kelly felt good about taking Hart in the third round. There was actually a run on DL right in front of the Huff pick (Nix, Kareem Martin, Khyri Thronton) so Kelly likely got antsy
However Howie did what Howie does best. He looked around and realized that despite his third round grade Hart could be had later. How did Howie know this?
Hart didn’t have appeal for 43 teams. He was too tall to play DT and didn’t offer enough as a pass rusher to appeal as a LDE. So immediately about half the league wouldn’t have interest in him.
He fit better as a 2 gapper than a one gapper, so there goes another chunk of teams.
Of the reamining teams:
Steelers had taken Tuitt.
Pats took Easly
Raven took Jernigan (later double dipped on Brent Urban)
Cardinals took Martin
Packers took Thornton
Chargers were light on picks and had 2 young promising starters.
So Howie realized that with Hart and Urban still on the board (who were likely graded out very similiar, he could be patient and address other needs and pick up a backup DE later.