FA Update and Some RB Talk
Posted: March 8th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 559 Comments »Late last night we got an interesting rumor.
#Eagles showing serious interest in San Francisco #49ers RB Frank Gore, per source. http://t.co/NwdigZ6YEF
— Eliot Shorr-Parks (@EliotShorrParks) March 8, 2015
I love the idea of this. On Saturday I was watching tape of NFL RBs and Gore was one of them. He has always been a favorite RB of mine, but I never watched him with the thought of “Should the Eagles sign this guy?”
Gore was impressive. He ran with power, but also showed a bit of wiggle. He didn’t go down on first contact, regularly breaking tackles. While not a burner, he still has solid speed. He did have 5 runs of 20 or more yards last year. He had one run of 40 or more yards. Gore averaged 4.3 yards per carry.
But why go after a 32-year old RB who has taken a beating over the years? Is that a smart move?
First, Gore wouldn’t cost huge money. He could be had for a reasonable price. Gore wouldn’t be a long term solution. He would be someone to handle the RB spot for a year or two.
I think Gore could thrive in Chip Kelly’s offense. He is a N-S runner that can still make the cutback run for a good gain. Gore would rarely lose yards, which was an issue with Shady. Gore isn’t as explosive and certainly isn’t as shifty, but his style is very effective. He has run for 1,000 yards or more in 8 of the last 9 years. And that is playing on an offense with a minimal passing attack.
The Eagles would add a RB in the draft or as a premium UDFA. You would have that player, Chris Polk and Matthew Tucker as young runners to develop for the future.
Polk is a player we all like, but you simply can’t make him The Guy based on his track record. He’s had injury issues and has only run for 270 career yards. Polk could end up being the long term answer, but you simply can’t count on him as the answer at this point.
Tucker is a bit of a wild card. The Eagles have liked him enough to keep him around for 2 years, but he is a complete unknown.
As to the draft, this is a really talented group of RBs. The Eagles could add one early, late or even as a premium UDFA. You can never count on taking a certain position in a certain round because you just don’t know how things will play out.
Before we all get too excited about the Gore news (good or bad…I know some of you don’t like this), keep in mind that SF is making a serious push to keep him. We’ll see what happens.
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Here is your Byron Maxwell update.
The #Eagles are currently willing to pay CB Byron Maxwell north of $10M per year, per a source. Top of the market.
— Rand Getlin (@Rand_Getlin) March 8, 2015
The Eagles seem to be the frontrunners to sign him. Sounds like this deal could get done quickly on Tuesday, but remember…a lot can change between now and then. Keep your fingers crossed.
That would be a lot to pay for Maxwell, but the Eagles are desperate for CB help and he’s the best available. Do the deal.
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There was a report yesterday that the Eagles had some interest in Brian Orakpo.
#Eagles aren't currently in on Brian Orakpo. At all. RT @tha_funk: Orakpo would be cheaper?
— Jeff McLane (@Jeff_McLane) March 8, 2015
I would think Orakpo would make some sense. He’s been a 3-4 guy in the NFL. He has good size and he is a good athlete and pass rusher. The flip side is that he’ll turn 29 this summer and has missed a lot of games in 2 of the past 3 years.
Caveat emptor.
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It is possible that Randall Cobb re-signing in Green Bay (4 yrs, $40M) will help the Maclin situation. Both the team and Maclin now have some idea of the market. Cobb is a more dynamic player than Maclin. Reports came out yesterday that the Eagles offered $9M per year to Mac, but he wanted $11M. They might now be able to work something out.
I said yesterday I wouldn’t pay him $10M per year. It may cost that much. I can live with the deal averaging that since the contract would be structured to go up over time, and the salary cap will go up a bit each year. That’s still a lot to pay for Mac, but you do want to reward your own players if they’re the guys you want to keep around.
Report: Jeremy Maclin returning to the Eagles is "very possible" http://t.co/4is68L406H pic.twitter.com/YuUSn1d5LO
— BleedingGreenNation (@BleedingGreen) March 8, 2015
BGN has some more info on Maclin.
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#Eagles are definitely involved, per two NFL sources. RT @phinphood9: any news on Orlando Franklin? Or will Eagles be priced out
— Jeff McLane (@Jeff_McLane) March 8, 2015
Franklin would come here to be the RG. He’s 6-7, 320 and has played both RG and RT. He is an outstanding run blocker. There is an interesting connection with him…Jeff Stoutland coached him at Miami.
Adding Franklin would give the Eagles one of the best OLs in the NFL.
It would also give them more time to find and develop some young talent to take over in the future.
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I have a question regarding the OLB position – could this be where we go cheap this off season? People are saying we are being priced out Worilds market and have no interest in Orakpo.
We have 3 very athletic LB’s already, and love to stay in base personal, so have all kinds of blitz possibilities with Kendricks and Kiko could that make up the production loss in the short term and then we hope either MSII steps up or look for a draft for another rusher?
Since all the signs point to going hard to build a top secondary (similar to NE last year) and if we are really going for Franklin that makes it hard to go hard for a top OLB.
I 100% think OLB will be the forgotten position in FA (we will add a body or two just because of practice) and Im okay with it if we get both of McCourty and Maxwell, keep Maclin and get Franklin+Gore
I will cream my pants if that happens. You forgot about MM though! 😉
I don’t want Mariota, i want draft picks. we will be finishing this free agency being a very good roster. Give me a 1st round pass rusher or WR and a RB in the first 3 rounds and we can compete with Foles for the Superbowl imho.
MM if for no other reason that i would FINALLY be in the MAJORITY of fans here on Oahu!! MM goes to the birds and i am instantly surrounded by fellow bird fans.
see i can respect that… at the very least you have a good reason for it,,, everyone else is batshit crazy as far as im concerned
CHURCH!!!! people are out of their friggin MINDS! Foles is ready to win NOW… had our defense made 1 stinking play at the end of the saints game, Nate Allen make that one stinking 3rd down stop against the Cardinals getting beat deep… and if our interior OL gets enough of a push to gain 1 stinking yard against the Niners…
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3 stinking plays away from being 16-2, with a comeback playoff win Under Nick Foles and Chip Kelly who have yet to lose two games in a row together
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Nick accomplished that with half a year of as bad of an OL mess as you can ever expect to see..he accomplished that with a defense that was good half the time, and really bad the other half of time..
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are people Nuts??? we talking about adding a RG like Orlando Franklin… and MAKING serious defensive Upgrades… why the hell would we not want the ball in Nick foles hands next year, year 3 in this scheme, with a much better supporting cast around him?…. and we arent even counting the couple of upgrades we could make via the draft if we stay with Nick
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WE making Moves that allow us to WIN NOW..and everyone is cheering them on, yet on the next hand everyone wants to blow up our offense, take two steps back next year to hopefully take 5 steps forward later..
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i think chip has to be a moron to not keep Foles… if he really trades him, im just going to laugh at this team til the chip era ends.. Ill start to look at him from Genius, to Kotite lol….
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we have a shot to really contend next year and people are ok pissing that away so chip can have his golden boy, as if he is the only QB that we can ever have that can possibly get the job donelll i think people are just crazy and i cant possibly believe chip is as dumb as people make him sound with their expectations..
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i bet this all ends with, “i dunno where you guys got that from, I told you Nick was my Guy, 998 years more”-chip Kelly
This is year 3, i already supported chip doing whatever the hell he wanted for the first two years, gave him a pass to do anything he wanted no matter how i felt about it…. year 3, that crap is Done.. i dont care who you are. we can hire the ghost of Vince Lombardi and if he isnt starting to win in year 3 we have a problem
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year 3, im ready to win now… moves we make need to reflect that Mission… no more building for the future, you had two years to doscard probowl WRs and do whatever the hell you wanted….NOW ITS TIME that every single damn move you make needs to be about making as the strongest contender we can possibly be next year…
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I dont give a crap about waiting for continuity of players to gel… not my problem. you traded the top RB, you could have done that anytime the first two years, you chose to do it now, so i dont give a shit if the next RB needs to learn this system and gain continuity for a year… not my problem. starting year 3, every coach needs to start being judged on wins, chip doesnt get special standards…chip wants to blow this thing up in year 3 and start over, thats not my problem… you need to produce in year 3, you dont make the playoffs and win a game after already experiencing the playoffs and winning 20 games then you failed… and i dont care about the circumstances, not my problem if you choose to get rid of a quality young winner like Nick and go with a rookie,..not my problem/… i sat thru 2 years of building, tearing down, doing whatever the hell he wanted and supported hm no matter how others ripped it… year 3, you dont get to take steps backwards…time to take steps forward…
QUESTION:
Should Kelly have done the overhaul in Y-1?
yes but think howie had more roster power so we did what we did, especially trying to get “value” players.
That’s a very interesting theory. Makes lots of sense.
i dunno about that…. what i do know is what you just said is the only possible response our front office would give us right now if they had to answer that question…thats exactly what Lurie or Marynpwitz would say if you asked them about that question….. i dont know if i believe it… chip and howie were still in their honeymoon phase at that time.. remember for a while, landing Chip kelly was supposed to be the “mona Lisa” of Howies career…back then, Id bet Howie wasnt even putting up a fight, at first Id bet Howie was giving chip whatever he wanted, just made sure he provided all the info possible so chip knew exactly the situation and the ramifications involved in whatever the decision was that he was about to make
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just my impression…. think Howie and Chips relationship started to sour this time last year,but i dont klnow that to be a fact
hell yes… instead of half the band aids he wasted time with adding Brad, Cary who we all knew were band aids who wouldt be extended long term…fooling around bringing NAte back for another year, sure he imporved..but we all knew he was never going to improve enough to really be our long term safety savior..
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I give him a pass for not wanting to break up our OL, i can understand wanting to see what some of our vets had left, but Chip knew we would have a really good line, shady move should have been made last year atleast if we were going to do it… then again, for shady it doesnt matter THAT much, RB is one of the few positions that can function without continuity…. Gore ran some ZR shotguns under harbaugh, doubt we need to give him two years before he can run a ZR out of shotgun for us… so shady was excusable..even tho you had a good enough OL in place to where you could have made the shady move earlier if you wanted to, but guard and RB positions are the rare ones we can stand a chance at functioning without too much continuity.
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But CHIP KELLY KNOWS how he felt about Mariota 3 years ago… he knew then if it was going to be a case of build the team up, and then mortgage everything to get the golden pay in year 3.. If thats really te direction he takes us, then he probably had a good idea this is how things would have played out 3 years ago, and if thats the case he absolutely failed.. dicked around with too many band aids and stop gaos and now we are going into the alleged draft where we give our souls away for the golden boy and we busiy filling in more holes then we even expected to have to fill with the unexpected Cuts he is making.,..
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if we were going to do all this crap for MM, the first 2 years should have been about building everything else, so this offseason we could get MM and put the finishing roster touches around the kid..basically try our hardest to do the seattle blue print,. stack the roster, so when the QB kid comes along he has a chance at winning immediately like the steelers and Rothlisberger…. that clearly isnt what chip did if its the offseason of Jesus christ finally entering the draft and we sit here with EVEN MORE holes to fill then we thought..
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if the plan was to get MM, then he really really botched the first two years of roster building… he should have made all the tough cuts right away and then build up his locker room… instead people are now talking about letting chip make two years worth of moves all driven by locker room chemistry, for what, so you can take a chainsaw to the locker room in year 3….. after you gave Mac a prove it deal, which he shattered every expectation and did so playing with sanchez who has a noodle for an arm for half the season and isnt even capable of using Maclin..imagine how insane his numbers would have been had Nick played the entire season, when the few weeks before the injury nick and Mac started to click on their deep chemistry?…Jodan Mathews is a workaholic. that kid wants to be the greatest WR alive.. what do you say to him by losing MAclin? work your ass off kid, become great, just make sure you dont become too great, because we would hate to have to lose you because you became too awesome..
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its get even worse, Mac was on a prove it deal for a franchise that just drafted 2 WRs high.. if that was insecure donovan, he would have buckled, cried, wined… what did Maclin do, he took jordan and Huff under his wings, helped groom them all year while doing us a giant favor setting the example to a rookie how a top WR works, conducts himself, and remains a class act and team guy no matter how uncertain your future looks with the franchise, no matter if they just drafted two rookies breathing down your neck to take your spot.
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Max exceeded every expectation possible of the “Prove it Deal” we gave him….. losing Mac IMO is just insanity… we can get over losing older guys like Cole, young players can see how desean acts under stand why maybe we would cut him… RB dont make 11mil, players im sure understand that on some level… Losing Maclin IMO would be one of the worst things we can possibly do…
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chip can come in and swing that axe, start taking heads off in the name of cap, culture, scheme and for the most part players wiill understand. Howie is no longer here or banner to be the bad guy;..every head that gets chopped off now the locker room knows comes from chip… he can get away with most of it, but not ALL OF IT….. there are certain people you just dont F with in a locker room….after how Maclin has conducted himself since he blew his acl out at the novacare practice fields, he has done EVERYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY WANT and EXCEEDED any expectation of production, or class… Chip doesnt pay him with NO GM to blame it on, its one of the biggest mistakes he can possibly make this offseason…I do think Chip is smart enough to know this which is why Im so vocal about thinking Maclin is a virtual lock to return…
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if the plan was to get MM in year 3, chip failed miserably IMO… if that was the plan, we shouldnt have 300 holes to fill this offseason, and we shouldnt be talking about ROCKING our Locker room as much as they are going into year 3… you ROCK your Locker room as soon as you get there, and then you build over it..,.you dont build, build build, then Rock the locker room..and go back to building like nothing happened
“if we were going to do all this crap for MM, the first 2 years should have been about building everything else”
YES.
yup, or accumulating picks.
but see this is why i have such a hard time believing the MM nonsense…. Chip isnt a dumb person, and he isnt an ignorant person who makes decisions without all the information… Im sure he was aware of this angle. i cant possibly believe he either overlooked this or was crazy enough not to care cuz its pretty important stuff we are talking about.
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if Chip goes an gets MM, as long as i get my top defense Ill live with it, knowing chip is just temporary anyway,…But I would lose a ton of respect for him for how poorly he would have botched the team building process of the franchise… and if he botched it with howie in place, then ill be scared to death now that howie is on the other side of the building stuffed into some bathroom til we finally win a superbowl like the novacares own “eddie Mush”, while chip is now the grand pumba, big baller shot caller… id be scared to death about chips power if he gets MM because of how poorly he would have botched the franchise building process
I think this is a real possibility Anders. Maxwell House with a shot of MCourty plus Mac, Franklin, and Gore makes the Eagles a contender even without MM.
brooks Reed or Dion jordan trade is my bet…. no matter who we add, we still have to draft a 4th OLB… braman doesnt count.
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this is assuming we even get to draft anyone and gordon bombay isnt as big of a moron as fans are making him out to be
I know no one else thinks this is a possibility but with all the talk of keeping DeMeco I still think having Alonso at OLB in the base 3-4 is a possibility. When you go to nickel, you’re usually running a 4-3 defensive line. Alonso and Kendricks would be the nickel LBs. Curry, Barwin, and Cox are going to part of the nickel package. The 4th guy could be an outside FA but I wonder if they have high hopes for Taylor Hart. He could fit in at DT in that scenario.
Alonso lacks the size to play OLB on run plays. He’d get bulldozed out there and lose his best ability; the ability to run down plays in space.
Outside the box thinking. 4-3 under versus 3-4.
Leo(Barwin) -Nose(Logan)-UT(Cox)-5T(Thornton)
WLB(Kendricks)-MLB(Ryans)-SLB(Alonso)
In the nickel, Thornton, Logan and Ryans go to the sideline and Boykin, Curry, and some other designated pass-rusher take their place.
Some if it semantics, but the Eagles would ask both OLBs to set the edge
i dont see that at all…
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meco is on the bench this year… just look at his first year back frm his last achiles injury…NOT very good… and he was like 26 when he was getting over that achiles, not 30yrs old like this time… I really really dont think the eagles are going to count on Meco starting next year at all…. maybe play some Goal line defense.. WHen Kendricks misses his yearly 2 game injury midseason, Meco will fill in, hopefully its later in the year giving him more time to recover and get back to normal.
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the eagles will do all types of different things with Kiko and Mykal in subpackages, but i highly doubt we will see Kiko at OLB in our base 3-4…. I THink MECO is a LOCK to be back next year, always have, never waivered for a moment….but I dont expect us to count on him or get much out of him next year other then filling in for a game or two (hopeflly not too much longer) because of injuries
The team still want it’s investment in Marcus Smith II to pay dividends. He becomes a key figure on the defense if they don’t pick a veteran OLB.
Get Sheard for 4 / $24 that Graham turned down. Watch improvement from Smith.
IF something happens with Kendricks then sign Brooks Reed who can also play outside at times if needed.
makes me think they might trade for an OLB on a rookie contract 🙂
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If not, it will be Cheap Brooks Reed signing unfortunately
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even if we trade for an OLB or Sign one, we still need to draft another one.. we need 4 OLBs, and Braman doesnt count towards that Quota. He is a ST captain, he is no more of an OLB then Dorenbos is lol
I want the 4 M&Ms!!!
I want the entire bag. Peanuts over plain.
Give the the pretzel ones.
Done! (I wish…)
ill see your 4 M’s and Raise you a “McPhee”
That’ll be a hand full of M&Ms! Hope Howie won’t fold! 🙂
Maxwell, McCourty, Maclin, and MOrlando?
I don’t know how to repost tweets but Toddfather’s recent tweet: “Life is Good”!
Really happy Todd got a gig with the Colts.
Not as unhappy as Andrew Luck is going to be as interior rush guys are all up in his guts all year courtesy of Todd’s severely diminished pass blocking “skills.”
hoping the Colts get Demarco Murray
Couldn’t happen to a better guy. Glad he found such a great landing spot
Yeah, was really rooting for him. I’m happy he went to a good organization and not one like the Bucs or Jax.
That’s awesome for him
i dont know if its a great idea to pay for a 2down RB when sproles has 3rd down on lock and polk is no slouch…
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but if the eagles pay for a RB, Gore makes way more sense then the lazy alabama connection crap linking us to ingram.. Gore actually has seen plenty snaps running zone reads out of shotgun sets,.
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i dont know how good of an idea it is to pay a RB, but i wont EVER argue with ditching Finnese crap and upgrading to POWER!! shady is easily the better RB, but Id rather have Gores power style over shady running style any day… as for next year, shady will be the better RB and i really have no idea what Gore has left in the Tank so i cant really speak on the move… but as a target, I know its way more realistic then the Ingram crap and some of the other crap the media was throwing at Walls… just make sure we can cut Gore after next year when the Zeke Elliot era begins 🙂
Saints resigned Ingram to a 4 year $16M contract per rotoworld…
doubt we ever had a drop of interest… just some lazy media hack using the Marynowitz/Ingram Alabama connection to throw crap at the Wall…. Highly doubt we had any interest whatsoever in running Ingram out of our shotgun offense, and id bet he has even less interest running out of our shotgun offense exclusively… i dont believe a word of that report.. i dont even believe Ingram was a top 5 RB on our wish list..,… but what do i know….
Yeah, I wasn’t buying Ingram interest either…like you, I hope Chip adds a power package to the run game this year, especially for red zone and clock bleed situations…on another note, if Chip’s willing to give up 2 1s and more for MM, why not pay 2 1s for Justin Houston? Could you imagine D adds of Houston, Alonso, Maxwell, McCourty/Searcy? Question is, do you think Houston is worth giving up two 1s and the size of contract he’d demand?
OMG!!! ID DO THAT IN a HEARTBEAT!!!
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i dont even have to think about it… you tell us two 1st rounders and you can sign houston, id say:
1) DONE!
2) HOW Much does he cost?
3) Who do I have to cut to afford it
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and by the next day it would be a done deal lol
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so much rather pay out the wazoo for him instead of the rookle QB
Well, Clay Matthews is currently top paid 3-4 OLB at $13.2M over 5 years with $20.5M guaranteed. Tamba Hali is next at $11.5M over 5 years with $16M guaranteed. Houston’s guaranteed $13.195M this year with the tag, and is pissed. I think the Eagles would need to be in the $15M over 5 year range with $25M guaranteed, but maybe he’d take less to get out of KC?
Cutting ‘Meco nets you $6.9M in cap savings with no dead money. You could play with Jason Peter’s deal and clear additional cap space if needed.
Gore would be a solid addition to our team and would give him an oppurtunity to get away from that sinking Kaepertrash led ship in San Fran.
Suh to Miami for 114 million, 60 guaranteed… Crazy.
Get ready for the denials. “No, we actually haven’t agreed…..Wink, wink….Please don’t fine us, Roger.”
Now all of the people who hate Tom Brady can root in a Suh body slam of Brady twice a year.
I however will be rooting in Suh murdering Romo, Eli, and RGMe.
But Orlando Franklin, Jason Kelce, and Evan Mathis will handle Suh just fine.
Eagles play Miami this year. Get Orlando Franklin to battle with him.
Good chance Chip pays for Franklin.
very expensive o line
Not as expensive as a dead starting QB from turnstile level guys not blocking.
So, sort of what I said when I said “But Orlando Franklin, Jason Kelce, and Evan Mathis will handle Suh just fine?”
Some of these contracts…holy smokes….
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Suh also will get $60 million in first 3 years of 6-year contract, based on parameters set between #Dolphins and Suh’s agent, Jimmy Sexton.
Well, that leaves Miami with somewhere between $5M to $7M of cap space — unless CWake’s contract is redone.
Hard to see the ‘Phins sending DJordan — with a $6.6M cap hit — to the Eagles. Even if the offer was a 1st Rd pick.
That’s disappointing.
Is Suh as impactful as JJ Watt? I don’t thing so.
TERRIBLE DEAL. Owner Steven Ross is a jack-rabbit
actually some miami writers already question if the Dolphins will have to cut Dion after the year to be able to pay Tannahill. i havent looked at their cap to know what to make of it… but i was surprised to be reading that from the miami locals… basically if they cant get Wallace contract off the books, they might end up having to cut Dion to pay for Tannahill…… i havent looked st the cap to support or rip this, im just passing along something i was surprised to see last night
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just so i’m clear — these miami people are saying DJor could be cut in 2016? Not now?
‘Phins could invoke 5th year for Tannehill (not sure the cost).
Bigger problem . . . Pouncey already in 5th year of rookie deal.
That team — because Ireland — is a total mess.
pretty sure it was after this next season that they were talking about… or does Tannahill need to be extended sooner?… at my girls moms house when i get home ill look at my history of my comp and dig them up.. it was late last night… it was two local reports, one was Phinsider or some name close to that..
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they talked about how he has two very good DE’s playing ahead of Dion, and that Phylbin never wanted Dion, it was the previous GMs move, this new GM wants to get value out of him whether its by trading him, playing him or waivng him….
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and the main premise was if they couldnt trade Wallace and someone else, there was another expensive name under contract along with Wallace… then cutting Dion to free up money for tanahill was a real possibility. Pretty sure that its after the season, but we know they wouldnt mind being able to trade wallace now…and if a GM really is looking at cutting a young 1st round pick as one of your top options for finding money for your QB..proly not 100% to say they could consider trying to get value for him a year early, instead of inevitably cutting him for nothing..which is basically the same exact dynamic as why I can even stomach to have these dicussions about losing my favoirte Eagle Curry…. i know that when I see Curry in another uniform i will be sick, and i hope to soften that blow by atleast getting a young talent in return….. but Dion, a 1st round pick… there is nothing that will really help deal with the loss of such a beast and a modern day Papale…
oh and that they are still screwing around with Dions position.. he tells ESPN “I am a DE”.. Doin sounds hell bent on being an edge rusher, but they are still also giving him looks, and thinking about moving him to a 4-3 LB which is just insanity if you ask me…. even if he can pull it off, why the hell do they want to spend a first and a second on a player and not cultivate his pass rush?
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him being in the drug program also helps when the GM and Coach arent “Dion Guys”: to begin with.
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fact of the matter is, no matter what they think about him, they are screwing up any hope of him signing any longterm extension to stay there,. if they cut him next year, or leaves a year or two later depending on franchise Tag, that kid is going to be dying to get away…and we will always have his father figure/coach in philly waiting to weelcome home the prodigal duck..
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heck, if i had my way, we wouldnt even get Dion now, we would waive a magic wand and find away to justify keeping Vinny Long Term, and then Id add Dion later whenever he is ready to leave Miami…
Thx!!
Two things.
1. Tannehill could be “5th Year’d” next year — not sure what that costs.
2. If the ‘Phins restructure Cam Wakes’ 10.5 cap number and by extending him 2 years (making his new contract a 3-year deal) . . . .
Voila. $7M in cap space to trade Dion Jordan for an immediate impact player. Or even a draft pick.
nice… let me ask. see the QBs like Tannehill who technically CAN BE 5th year’d, but the franchise also already pretty much knows that they want to keep him longterm, when would you expect to see him extended?
Next year, just like you said.
Although, in theory, Dolphins could do it this year — calling the new deal an extension effective in 2016.
He’s only $4.5 on the cap. Don’t see how a new contract that redid his 2015 cap number can get it any lower
gotcha..
that 5th year is why a QB like Hundley wont last til round two, even tho he probably should. that 5th year is what justifys a team at the beginning of riound two, jump the other QB needy teams in round 2 and pay to get back into the end of round 1 to get their round 2 Qb…
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love the 5th year option when drafting Raw kids like Marcus and Lane, or young Kids like Cox
great point.
needs repeating at times, maybe, as the draft gets closer.
im over it… “my mission to civilize is over”.. it was a blatant failure…
Gore is a great idea… 8 years ago… This is garbage getting a 99 year old running back… As insurance.. Sure.. As the main guy? Give me a break. Don’t want him.. Don’t need him..
1,000 + yards in 8-9 last years
Re: Buffalo’s RB Decision – A Valuable Asset Lost – Owner Steaming?
The Bills — on the eve of free agency — are about to give LeSean McCoy a $16M bonus as part of a $25M deal.
Buffalo’s cost to acquire McCoy: A promising ILB coming of a knee injury — but a player in his rookie contract, 3 years from FA, and worth a 4th Rd pick at least, if not a 3rd. And only because of the injury.
QUESTION: Why didn’t Buffalo keep Alonso — or trade him for a draft pick — and shower DeMarco Murray with all that money on Tuesday?
(I get that the easy response is GM Doug Whaley’s not very good — but shouldn’t there more to this series of moves that just, “The GM’s an idiot”?)
Granted, Murray’s coming off a season of lots of touches.
Yet McCoy’s coming off two seasons of more touches the Murray.
And Murray’s younger. He’s more of a between-the-tackles runner. He has more straight-line speed.
Turns out, Buffalo was maybe the only team that would’ve rewarded DeMarco Murray with the kind of contract he’s earned (relative to AP, McCoy, Lynch).
Not sure there’s another team out there willing to do what Buffalo did.
And Buffalo — a team with no 1st this year — foolishly gave away a valuable asset in Alonso whose inclusion in a draft-day trade could have helped Buffalo go from No. 51 in Rd 2 up to, say, the Top 10 of Rd 2.
If I’m the owner of the Bills, I’m asking for an explanation and right now.
I agree AC. The deal looks to me to be an emotional one based on trade arrangement with Chip. That is, Shady played contract hardball and the GM tried to save face. This contract screams Bad Team with stupid leadership.
Doug Whaley is so over matched from an intellectual standpoint that I feel bad for Bills fans.
Bills Fan. He’s had it bad for a long, long time.
Well put.
My only knock on Murray…injury and coming off a contract year. Red flag combo… Worth the risk I guess…
My only knock on Murray…injury and coming off a contract year. Red flag combo… Worth the risk I guess…
OD… Any nuggets you want to share? Still a strong feeling about a big trade?
Yep, Monday is deal day. If there is no ink on paper, then we probably don’t get MM.
TY…
You’re killin’ me, OD. You’re killin’ me.
You don’t sound optimistic. Yes? No?
I’m optimistic as are my contacts. But if it does not happen then Draft Day is going to be brutal. Chip may still pull it off but the cost could kill the team, IMHO.
I’d like to see the deal done only so Kelly will have exactly whom he *thinks* he needs to win — and if he doesn’t win, then that’s that.
Me? I remain a Foles guy because of his effectiveness in the last 5 minutes of halves.
(Yes, he can’t run; and, yes, he misses open guys. But inside 5 minutes, Foles is better than anyone the Eagles have had in 50 years.)
But . . . Just so long as Sanchez isn’t re-signed on the promise of a true competition with Foles for the #1 spot.
Do NOT want Sanchez as the Eagles QB.
The guy threw 1 pass over 20 yards — his first one. Sanchez had plenty of time to get “on the same page” as the receivers.
No, no, no to an open competition.
“Me? I remain a Foles guy because of effectiveness in the last 5 minutes of halves.”
What about the other 25 minutes per half?
I said, he missed players all game long (last year).
And I’m looking at a 50-year time-horizon at Eagles QBs (and across the NFL).
With this offense, games are generally close.
And most NFL games are decided by a TD or less.
Is Foles the PERFECT answer?
No.
But — in spite of his inadequacies last year — Foles gave the Eagles a chance to win against SF and AZ.
(SF game was an anomoly, yes — with the 3 non-O tds.)
John Elway — during the Dan Reeves years — was notoriously mediocre during 58 minutes of the games he started. But in the last 2 minutes . . .
he’s gotta stay healthy 16 games
and Troy Aikman, Joe Montana and Steven Young is super low on 4th game winning thing because they was so effective.
Take the SF, only reason Foles gave a chance was because he got a shit ton of help, any other QB in the NFL might have gotten us more than 0 point up to that point.
In the AZ game, we was in that situation because Foles tossed 2 RZ ints (so a minimum of 6 points missed, but more likely 10 point).
Most games we was winning despite of what Nick Foles did.
A:
Foles isn’t the perfect answer — a point I granted.
Nor is Foles a HOFer at this point . . .
But then neither was Aikman, Montana, or Young.
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Aikman after 3 seasons: Benched his rookie year, injured part of his 2nd year, and 3rd years. Record was 14-24 (0-11, 7-8, 7-5). Was Dallas bad that 1st year? Yes, sure. But not so much in Yrs 2 and 3. And Aikman had Emmitt Smith, Irvin, and Novacek 2 of those 3 years.
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Montana: After 2 seasons — 1 start as a rookie, 7 starts in Y-2 going 2-5 record. Even in ’81 when he won the SB, his numbers were pretty pedestrian. Montana was no HOFer after 3 years.
Montana, like Foles benefited from an offensive genius at HC and a great system.
BUT unlike Foles . . . Montana had the NFL’s 2nd Best Defense in Y-3, including 2 Pro Bowl DBs.
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Steve Young? 7-18 record after 4 years. 24 TDs, 24 INTs.
The guy was a disaster — until landing in SF, riding the bench for 5 years, and getting tutored by Bill Walsh.
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Foles has played 3 years. It seems unfair to compare him to players remembered for how the performed *after* developing into great QBs on great teams.
QUESTION: If Kelly can’t get Mariota . . . whom do you want at QB for the Eagles who’s actually available? Hundley? Grayson?
All in all, I don’t think Foles is a bad option given the dearth of NFL-quality QBs out there.
I actually think — warts and all — he’s a pretty solid option. (He’d be better if he can stay healthy, no doubt . . . and run a 4.7 40.
First of all win/loses is not an QB stat and should never be used. Why are we not counting the win on the WR who catches the winning TD?
Also cant compare start of teams like Cowboys and Niners back then with the Eagles, as they didnt have FA to help them and the talent on those teams was really bad until it got coached up, Aikman and Montana also isnt injury prone or regressed heavily in their mechanics entering their 3rd year.
If we cant get Mariota, I think best thing is drafting Hundley or Petty (not to Grayson) and see if Foles can bounce back from his terrible flaws.
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“If we cant get Mariota, I think best thing is drafting Hundley or Petty (not to Grayson) and see if Foles can bounce back from his terrible flaws.”
That’s what I wanted to see.
I like your idea of Hundley and Foles on the same roster.
PS – thx for correction on Petty . . . cldn’t remember him when typing!
Well some people have talked about Grayson, but his lack of arm strength scares the heck out of me after watching Barkley and Sanchez struggle when the PA deep passing game is a back part of what Kelly wants to do.
Does Petty have the arm?
Yes, its very strong, he just had some problems connecting on deep passes in 2013 (seems to be much better in 2014), which might have been related to his back injury
His arm strength and deep ball is already better than Sanchez and Barkley.
Preach!
Wait, wait, wait…what’s this rumor?? OD, I’ve seen you post on here a ton since Kelly came here two years ago and you seem to really know your stuff-are you telling me something might happen TOMORROW with Marcus Mariota??
LOL
EYF:
How does an open training-camp competition between Sanchez and Foles strike you?
If Kelly doesn’t think Nick is better than Sanchez, then a lot of ink’s been spilled the past couple months talking up Foles for no reason.
Would be a disappointing development, IMHO.
Amen… I don’t think Sanchez can ever beat out Foles. If he does… We’re in for a brutally long season….
AC – I think the “talking up Foles” served two purposes. First, you want to give a young QB encouragement and hedge your bets. Second, you want to enhance his trade value. At the time, I think Chip was undecided about Foles from what I hear.
998 more years, then we can talk about Mariota 🙂
ultra-pearl
no… it would be what needs to be done to get Sanchez to sign with us… not a reflection on what we think of Nick
So wld Kelly really have his thumb on the scale?
id say Sanchez not only would have to win, but make it so obvious that chip loses all locker room credibility if he doesn’t pay Sanchez….i think foles also has to struggle for that to happen, respected vets like Jason Peters, Celek, Kelce, Meco they love foles..jason Peters glows when he talks bout Nick lol… when Meco is mic;ed up on sidelines during games, he always gets caught raving with Barwin or Cole about how great Nick is. these are live in game situations
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Basically if Nick just does what he is supposed to, probably nothing sanchez can do, but i assume Mark will kind of understand that, even tho he still gets a fair competiton with Equal reps
That would work then
if he did in 2014 we probably aren’t having these conversations right now.
i dont think thats very realistic considering or OL was such a mess that there were stretches of games our elite RB was struggling to get two yards a carry..
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but whater.. not doing this foles shit any more. by now you all know where i stand on it, and we all know who the silly anti foles crew are.. doubt we can come up with a ploint we havent made a thousand times already
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guess losing Nick isnt THAT big of a deal, considering we would officially be stuck with a coach thats a moron who decided to rebuild after two years of doing what exactly? If Chip trades Foles, I have way bigger problems with Chip having absolute power to act a fool, then to worry about foles no longer being here..god knows what he would do next… i cant wait to hear how we think we can win without Fletcher Cox..
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THANK GOD we didnt draft ODB… obviously he will be too talented for chip to want…
Foles & Sanchez as QB1 and QB2?
Dear god no.
http://www.gifbin.com/bin/092009/1253885876_suicide.gif
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock 6m6 minutes ago
The Eagles have set the parameters of a deal for Maxwell that consists of 6 years $63 million with $23.5 mil fully guaranteed. $13.5 year 1
Wow.
2011 all over again.
I guess you mean 2011! Hopefully with better results this time.
expensive year one… surprised they didnt back load it.
gotta front load
Makes it easier to get out of if the deal has a ton of the guaranteed during the first 2 years
That $13.5 year one could be $1.5 salary and $12 mil bouns.
Deals like this are structured exactly that way.
1st year is the vet’s minimum salary.
2nd year, the salary climbs.
Some guaranteed money (as much as can be agreed on?) allocated in Roster Bonuses — guaranteed, in the best deals for players, for (i) injury, and (ii) performance.
For teams, roster bonuses guaranteed only for injury are the best route. (I’m guessing more players “under-perform” than get injured and can’t play at all.)
Remainder of guaranteed money allocated to a signing bonus and pro-rated.
Thank you. I’m really pleased that this deal is (now) only for $25 mil guaranteed. Seems like it’ll have a major BS factor 6th year that he’s not going to see.
Who’s the Eagles *other CB* going to be?
Nolan Carroll? (Whom Davis wouldn’t put in for Fletcher when it mattered)
Maxwell’s just not gonna get much action until his opposite on the Birds proves he’s not a sieve.
In the end, assuming an injury doesnt get in the way it wlll be Nolan… and when fans actually are pleasantly surprised by his game, they will get even more pissed he didnt play last year lol… if you like Nolan as a Dime corner where he never playd that role before, chances are you will be pleasantly surprised when you see him play the role that we watched on tape that made us want to sign him to begin with…. there was no tape that the eagles could have watched showing them that Nolan could be a great inside corner, they signed him because they liked what they saw as an outside CB…..
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doubt it will be very hard for Nolan to play at a higher level than Bradley Fletcher,and i think its foolish to expect two free agent cornerback signings that would put Nolan on the bench… we will still draft a CB because of the lack of youth at the position. Need to start grooming young Corners, but the young corner we draft wont beat out Nolan in september…
FYMTGE.
Carroll has to be the play if the Eagles get Maxwell.
Too expensive to add 2 premium FA CBs.
Will Watkins be able to step up?
i assume he is the Dime corner, who will be ready to move to Nickel if boykin intends on reaching the open Market
Chris Johnson shot… Wow!
Details?
Was this a Suge Knight/Tupac drive-by hit?
Or a random shooting?
It’s Florida -it can be both and something else all at the same time as long as crazy and guns are involved.
Makes me think of McDougle, of course.
drive by while he was “riding around” some dead, cj2k injured.
hope he is ok…. was this saturday night, or actually sunday brunch?
1am according to reports
as is for real?
NFL news alert popped up with that title…
“Holy S-Nike’s”-chris Farily…
You ever read / seen the end of Old Yeller?
Somebody just made it official with Johnson I guess.
Jayson Braddock
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The Eagles have set the parameters of a deal for Maxwell that consists of 6
years $63 million with $23.5 mil fully guaranteed. $13.5 year 1
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$13.5 Year 1 doesn’t necessarily mean that would be his cap figure. That’d be the money he’d make between his salary and signing bonus.
yea good catch
good point
I saw a tweet, sorry can’t find it, where the base was speculated to be $9 mil then signing bonus. I’ll keep looking for the darn thing.
That’s good IMO. You want most of the compensation in the form of salary charged against this year’s cap. Less proration in the future, less dead money if player is released. Maintain cap flexibility.
Exactly. Just look at Shady’s contract breakdown. Not one year with a cap hit larger than $10m.
23mil I can absolutelly live with… i dont even need to know any other details. if its 23.5, fine by me…
agreed, i guess its not final though.
Byron Maxwell still hasn’t agreed in principle. Really likes Seattle, will
give them chance to counter. 1st offer (SEA) back loaded.
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of course he will… just like any great offer Mac gets, he will give the eagles a chance to get into the ball park.. and since no one will offer Mac anything crazy like 15mil, mac was always a virtual lock to remain
I don’t know. Oakland has been turned down by their top 2 targets(Suh, Cobb) and it’s starting to get embarrassing for them. Might start throwing money around to try to save face.
knowing what they did in free agency last year, i dont fear them… plus they are so horrible that Mac would NEVER make us beat their offer..get in the ball park of what they offer and he will give us a little discount.
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now if seattle, the Patriots, the colts… if one of THOSE teams MAKE a BIG OFFER, then we worry, because then we may have to actually outbid them.. or Mac can look around at chip taking a chainsaw to all our good players and feel like he cant pass up a chance to leave us for a real proven franchise like the colts, Seahawks and Patriots…
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Oaklkand, the Browns… their offers dont scare me. Maclin is a winner, they have to pay like 5mil more then anyone else for Mac to consider spending the next 5 years in one of those sess pool francises
Depends on the individual player. Some care about winning culture and all that and some just want to get paid. I can’t claim to know Maclin well enough to say what category he fits in.
thats a far statement… but id bet if your life depended on being right, you would bet that Maclin doesnt fit in that category..
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a guy who has always really outspoken about wanting to be here, I have a really hard time he would basically waive the white flag announce his career is over, and he will just go waste away in cleveland… the #1 WR available wont be starving no matter where he signs, and Id bet that one of the really pathetic franchises would have to grossly over pay to make the eagles not even get in the ballpark and be offering so much more that Maclin would actually sign away his career…. you tell me the Texans, the Chargers middle of the pack teams like that will poach Mac, I can atleast see that happening…. I cant imagine what the Browns or Raiders would have to do to get him to sign with them…
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but we’ll know soon enough brother
they also have to spend a ton just to reach the cap floor
seattle PAID the Beast!!! They talking Fully Guaranteed contract for their golden boy, and are rumored to go after Julius Thomas… if they can get Maxwell too, then salary cap is a mirage
If they really want to do it they can. But then they wind up having to do a lot of the crazy stuff Dallas does
Eh…I don’t like when reports like this pop up… Always gets me excited.. Then the rug is pulled out…
I’ll take it. Now go get McCourty!
Revis is debating between Patriots and Jets. Im hoping he sticks with Pats and makes it harder for them to keep McCourty
right!! thats an important chip that needs to fall for us…
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revis is the best busnessman in the NFL
Revis is under contract.
Jeff McLane @Jeff_McLane 27m
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Was to be $12M this yr. MT @ProFootballTalk: Cap numbers for McCoy: $5.5M in 15, $7.675M in 16, $8.875M in 17, $8.95M in 18, $9.05M in 19.
Holy hell. Those are his cap numbers?! So, he basically cannot be cut for the next 5 years, can’t even be discussed for the next 4 years? Who was asking why the bad teams never have any money to spend?
No, it depends on when his guaranteed money ends. He was reported to have $26.5M in guarantees. Makes $16M this year. $13M of that is in form of signing bonus. That’s $2.6M of proration each year. To get to the $5.5M cap figure that’s a salary of $2.9M(guess it’s actually $15.9M this year). Salary this year is likely guaranteed. $10.5M more is guaranteed. I’d guess his 2016 salary is fully guaranteed and most of 2017’s. He could be cut in 2018 or 19. They’d still take a hit from the acceleration of the remaining prorated SB but they would still likely have net cap savings.
so not only did we trade an 11mil RB, we traded an 11mil RB that got a raise? wonder why the eagles didnt even bother approaching him about a paycut when he is on the air publically stating he wouldnt take a paycut..This Maniac actually had the balls to ask the Bills for more? God bless him and i hope he gave his agent a nice little bonus. by him a watch or something, atleast a lap dance lol
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If Gordon Bombay is crazy enough to trade Foles, I pray he ends up with the Bills.. they would be so much fun to watch with shady, foles, sammy and a sick defense…problem is the bills dont have a first round which makes it almost impossible that they can trade for Nick… still Shady and the Bills defensive personel with Rex Ryan putting his stamp on it should be fun
Dan Graziano
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My sense on McCourty is that Giants, Eagles are both in the bidding and highly motivated, Pats still hopeful of keeping him.
need mccourty over max
Giants come out of nowhere. So it’s 9 for McCourty or 13.5 front loaded for max (average over 10)? This really doesn’t feel like a tough decision…
Giants has been rumored to be high on McCourty for weeks now
Yeah I heard the reports. Was more referring to last night when it seemed to be between Pats and us.
$9M is the average that McCourty was reported to want. I wouldn’t be surprised if the asking price is actually higher. $13.5M is how much money Maxwell would make in year 1 through salary and signing bonus, not his annual average or his cap figure.
Please not the Giants….
We can make sure he doesn’t sign there due to good structuring of a deal for the first year cap charge. They’re on the hook for $14 mil this year for JPP, that’s a contractual blood clot.
consider the source is a shill for the Giants
Not sure what difference that makes. Are you suggesting the Giants aren’t interested?
No, I’m suggesting that DG is just saying the stuff that appeals to that fan base, and doesn’t really know anything
Any more than our reporters?
Look at DG’s tweet. It begins with “My sense is” which means he’s just imagining things. There’s nothing there that says anything. My own sense is (and maybe I’m imagining this) that DG does not break news, he just speculates. Many of our “reporters” do the same.
i assume that about 80% of eagles reports
Glad to see that we’re going to spend on some quality players, but damn these numbers being thrown around are crazy. I know the cap keeps going up, but I rem a time, not too long ago that $10mil per year was reserved just for franchise QBs. Anyone else find it crazy that to get $10mil per year these days all you need to be is like the 10th to 15th best player at any position?
Prices always go up. Inflation is a fact of life.
market pricing
NFL players who would have been worth 9M a couple of years ago are now 11M players.
@RapSheet: The #49ers believe they are losing long-time star RB Frank Gore, I’m told. They are starting to look around themselves.
Get off of that sinking ship ASAP! The Niners have the makings of a 4-12 team that needs to fire sale everybody and start over.
49ers are reportedly trying to sign Torrey Smith. Smith’s a guy I figured the Eagles could have some interest in (especially if Maclin falls through), though you never hear of interest in Smith.
Sounds like Julius Thomas to Jaguars
Jason Cole
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Two sources indicating TE Julius Thomas is just about done/signed in Jacksonville
GOOD! cant have him landing in seattle… attaboy Gus!!
I like the interest in Orlando Franklin, I also hope they target Clint Boling; solid athlete and seems like a good Guard option
Played baseball with Clint growing up. Great athlete.
Wow, very cool! any interesting personal nuggets about him?
Wasn’t that close with him. He was obviously huge though height wise. But surprisingly didn’t put on weight til HS. ALSO, he wore rec specs:-)
LOL sign him now!
ITS DONE!
Maxwell will be an Eagle Tuesday
per Jayson Braddock
Guaranteed money raised to 25mil
and 5 year 53-54 million
If these numbers are right, the contract is probably structured so the Birds can get out after Y-3 . . . .
1. $8M signing bonus / prorated over 5 years.
2. $17M in roster bonuses guaranteed – split equally in Years 1-3 ($5.6 / year)
3. Veteran Min Salary in Y-1, with salary going up in Y-2 and Y-3. And Years 4-5 have huge salary numbers.
4. Only $3.2 in dead money if Maxwell cut after 3 years.
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Something like this.
Every year, Max’s cap number would be in the $6.5 to $7.5 range (I think)
Still its way too much money for Maxwell, and I can’t shake the feeling it’s going to be a mistake. Basically paying him like a top 5 corner and im not sure he is ever going to be worth it.
Will say this though, remember when everybody thought we gave Barwin a huge deal, and it turned out to be way more team friendly. I’m hoping that the source is a little wrong about the numbers and that we’ll also see a little of that Howie Magic.
Can’t disagree about the risk factor.
Significant projection going on.
But in cap terms, Barwin’s $7M this year — which is where I think Maxwell’s gonna end up.
That said, Barwin’s a proven OLB and below market now . . . as you said. Was a great deal for Roseman.
I think I would actually prefer to pay Maxwell and other FAs big in ’15 and have them at a lower cap number in their last couple of contract years. Would match up well with Cox and Kendricks playing on a small contract in ’15, but getting the dollars after that.
That may be how the Birds do it.
But front-loaded FA deals are unusual (I think).
‘specially with Maxwell being a 1-year starter.
Also . . . my breakdown is strictly a function of the numbers in the tweet that GR passed on — the $13.5 in Y-1, specifically.
Thing is, if were signing Maxwell, how bad does he have to suck for us to cut him after 1 year? Its not gonna happen, so pay him up front and create some cap room for when you have a competitive team with all starters on their real contracts.
Still, maybe its just me personally that cannot get behind paying Maxwell like a super star, simply because i genuinely cannot see him playing at a level that earns that money back.
As I expect you’ll see on PFT.com . . .
Don’t look at contract numbers, just the guaranteed money and — more important — the ACTUAL yearly cap numbers.
I’ll be shocked if Maxwell’s anywhere close to, say, Richard Sherman’s $13M cap figure.
Eh, we could have let Seattle keep him and gone after cheap guys for the third year in a row…
Interesting note on Gore.
https://twitter.com/timkawakami/status/574634491857141762
Ew, using an Ohio State guy for character building in the locker room seems a bit foolish.
Interest in Gore throws the thinking that they got rid of shady just before his decline. Very interesting. Maybr Chip isnt all “coaches coach to players strengths” like he says.
gore is also a different type of runner
GOre isnt close to getting 11mil for next year. he is lucky to get half of that… if shady made 6 or 7mil you really think he would be gone?
I wonder if the McCourty Mccourting isn’t going as planned and thats why we were so motivated to get a deal done with Maxwell quickly
Also, why is there only one source out there who has this scoop?
I think McCourty is more complex since i think it involves Revis and the situation in NE. Different Agent is leaking different details also, since we know nothing gets out of the Eagles front office.
Landing Maxwell might make it more attractive for McCourty to come also. And vice versa.
I don’t think so. I think the Kareem Jackson signing had more to do with it. We need 2 corners…
I’m completely letting the Asomugha experience tainting the potential Maxwell experience, but I don’t know if this is really a good idea.
Think of it as The Troy Vincent Experience.
Vincent was already a Day-1 starter in Miami on some pretty mediocre defenses before coming here.
Maxwell’s a roll of the dice.
In terms of age Maxwell more close to Vincent than NA
Yes, definitely.
Like that Maxwell has low tread.
Can’t a guy be optimistic once in a while?
Maybe we settle on Asante -some good, some bad, a lot of entertainment.
BB:
Optimism is Kelly’s middle name . . . and he’s pretty good.
How ’bout that.
Really on the hook for two or three years. Wouldn’t stress it.
Going big in FA to fix secondary won the Patriots the superbowl last year. We have a cheap young front 7 so we can spend more heavily on the back end. In fact we have been underspending on Defence for several years leading the NFL in offensive spending.
Pats paid $18.5M for the consensus best CB in the NFL (salary plus bonus).
But only $3M for Brandon Browner.
All this money being bet on the come for Maxwell is a big risk.
Yeah but if we sign McCourty for 9 the combined spending is comparable.
Oh, I see what you’re saying. Sorry.
Yes, for sure with McCourty.
You have to let that go… Lol… Is not only that deal that’s stink up the secondary… Outside of FA would there be a viable option?
Agreed. Keep firing until you hit the target.
Nick Foles, Jake Locker, Mark Sanchez in that order.
?? OK with that?
no, rather a rookie behind sanchez
Yup..i would rather: Nick foles, brett hundley, mark sanchez
Last time we went bargain basement hunting for CBs, we ended up with Sconces and Fletcher. I’m OK with overpaying for a more sure thing. Maxwell may not be in the top 3-5 CB in the league but those guys werent available.
Maxwell just tweeted a sconces joke… He’s on board!
The Eagles’ PR Dept have taken control of Maxwell’s twitter account.
No he didnt.
Roy Helu is the RB imwmost intrigued by.
He played well when he was on the field in DC. I agree.
nice little player but i dont really see how he fits.. sproles is our 3rd down back, we have Polk, if we pay for a RB should probably be #1 RB for us, Helu is a nice player but I cant say he would seperate himself from Polk and Sproles…. need a starting back with some power who doesnt mind signing on with a team that will run him out of shotgun all year
if there’s no market for murray is he worth considering?
I don’t think his price will be low enough to consider and Shady and Lynch deals didn’t hurt him. I still think he gets close to 30mil over 4 years with maybe half guaranteed and I wouldn’t match that
O:
Colts and CLE, then maybe TN and JAX, look like Murray’s best bet. Cap-wise
Problem for TN and JAX is why pay a RB when you’re 2-3 years away form being competitive.
Cleveland’s closer.
And Colts are there.
But if these teams don’t bid on Murray, I don’t see who else — with cap space — will.
THoughts?
colts said no interest, going after frank gore.
How much would you pay him, my problem isn’t as much annual as much as it guaranteed and length
As far as the Maxwell deal reported, it’s still based on Jayson Braddock, is it not?
Yeah is it concerning that no one else is confirming? Or is that normal in the tampering period since we aren’t supposed to actually sign anyone yet.
everyone confirmed cobb. i think maxwell really wants to be in seattle.
teams are allowed to re-sign their own guys now, but new teams can’t sign free agents until Monday.
everyone confirmed suh this morning.
In fairness that’s official because he was resigning
Jimmy confirmed
BLG says no other reporters have confirmed. But Braddock supposedly has a good track record.
Our own Jimmy has confirmed!!!
Thanks a lot for that!! Wow what an acquisition!
https://twitter.com/jimmykempski/status/574652105354514432
This deal is a little pricier than I like but consider the contracts of Chris Harris and Joe Haden, who I’d consider comparable quality corners:
Harris – 5 years, $42.5M, $24M guaranteed
Haden – 6 years, $67.5M, $22.68M guaranteed on signing
Important to note in Haden’s case while that guarantee seems low, an additional $8.3M(his 2015 salary) ultimately became guaranteed. I don’t have the details of exactly how but often a player being on the roster at a certain point triggers the next year’s salary being guaranteeed. So even if a deal has less of an absolute guarantee, as a practical matter the player is ensured the money because there is almost zero chance that they’re going to be released 1 year into a multi-year extension(except in some pay-as-you-go setups like Anthony Collins had with the Bucs).
Harris is probably the closer comparison(opposite another name corner). League-wide cap room increased this year and Harris signed an extension with his own team versus going on the open market so one would expect Maxwell to get more money. While the annual average of Maxwell’s deal is inflated significantly from Harris’s, the actual guaranteed money is only inflated slightly. I’d be more comfortable if it was 5 years for $47M or $48M but this is reasonable.
Hadens extension was only 5 years
Yes, my mistake. Crazy money for him then considering how much he sucked last year. Saw $67.5M and my mind automatically assumed it had to be 6 years.
The guaranteed money is the key, obviously.
Then how the guaranteed money is allocated among (i) signing bonus, (ii) roster bonus, or (iii) salary.
Somewhere in there, the team wants to create rollover opportunities (those easily reachable but never reached incentives).
Teams don’t have to use the rollover trick anymore. Under the new CBA, all a team has to do to rollover unused cap room from one next season to the next is tell the NFL they want to do so.
GR:
THanks. Great bit of info!!
So then the approach with Maxwell is still “Traditional Banner/Roseman” — give him the big guarantee but make sure the yearly cap number is as low as you can make it.
We’ll have to see the details but typically they’ve guaranteed a huge chunk of salary in year 1 and two of a deal and then also give the player a reasonable but not too large SB. The goal seems to be to not have any guaranteed money in a contract after year 3 of it(or 2 if a 3-year deal) and to minimize the dead money hit if you part with a player down the road.
jake Rosenwhatever his name is is well versed in the banner/howie way
Jimmy confirms Maxwell deal
Charles Robinson
@CharlesRobinson
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League source says #Eagles still talking to Frank Gore. Strong interest.
As BA reports below, Jimmy Bama confirms the Maxwell deal!!
https://twitter.com/jimmykempski
He’s just re-tweeting Braddock -same source.
No, he confirmed it.
No, he said he had his own source that confirmed the info.
Jason Braddock on 97.5 with a good point:
JAX (Gus Bradley), ATL (Dan Quinn), SEA, all were in on him.
agree that’s why price is so high
I wouldnt mind Gore, but Im not a fan of his potential new deal with us. at 5+ mill per year
Where’d you see that amount? It’d be short-term anyway. Slot him in at what we’re scheduled to pay DeMeco.
Never mind, I saw it from Getlin. As long as it’s not for more than 2 years. Or the guaranteed money is only for 2 years.
Report from Rand Getlin of Yahoo Sports. All of the Eagles’ beat writers are retweeting now.
Sounds like a 1-year rental. (ICDogg tweet re: $5-$7M guaranteed)
Over 2013-2014 seasons . . . Gore’s rushed for more yards against Birds’ D than any other RB in a single game.
Gore: 24 carries 119 yards, 1 rec 55 yds 1 TD
Kelly seems to like opposing players who do things against his teams that he values. Sprole – ST. Gore – running the damn ball N-S.
Charles Robinson
@CharlesRobinson
4m
4 minutes ago
#Cowboys & DeMarco Murray dragging: Big deals for McCoy & Marshawn are
not what Dallas wants to commit. Murray has to take less to return.
So, get a quality young coverage LB and a lot of cap room by trading McCoy, then watch as Buffalo makes Dallas lose their star RB. Weaken another conference opponent by signing Gore to short-term deal and then draft the future in a RB-rich draft. Genius.
Chip is an evil genius.
edit “evil” for “tactical”
SF is dead. That franchise is in the bay. (Is Gore abandoning ship, or is SF cutting him loose?)
But don’t count out Dallas. If no one steps up to offer Murray a deal, he may go back to Dallas.
Who’re the options?
I don’t quite understand the interest in Frank Gore. Pros: North/South runner, good track record, short-term deal. Cons: Age, Costs too much, not a good pass catcher.
Perhaps he won’t cost as much as I think or there are some other factors that I am missing. Can anyone help explain to me why the Eagles seem so interested?
all of the pros general are why. The fact that Gore is one of the best NS runners of the last many years are why Kelly wants him for a few years.
Also Gores age might not be a big problem if he rotates with Sproles and Polk
Plus, this is one of the best year for RBs so okay to only have short-term veteran.
Still, 5+ mill per year seems risky for a 32 year old RB.
It’s basically what we would have paid James Casey.
Well I rather have Gore than Casey, but its only Gore’s age, not his ability that scares me
that’s a good way to think about it, flipping gore for Casey.
it’s twice as much as we would have to add to our Maclin offer to ensure we keep him
Good responses and my thanks to you (all).
I can see getting a short-term solution and adding a good prospect from the draft. However, lack of good pass-catching abilities really gave me pause.
Again, thanks for the informative responses.
He hasn’t caught as many passes lately, likely because they took him out on 3rd down to rest him, but Gore caught plenty of passes earlier in his career.
Interesting. I read that Gore’s pass catching was below par. But perhaps, as you say, that’s more due to scheme than ability.
Having a difficult time picturing Gore in our high tempo offense.
He will split with Sproles and Polk
even so
There’s a plan with Sproles. Two back set.
he stays or goes?
Stays – 2 back set.
I wondered all year why they didn’t use more of a 2-back set last year. McCoy not good enough in pass pro?
I imagine Gore is better. Maybe AC knows for sure.
Gore reputedly EXCELLENT in pass pro.
http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_24147449/49ers-seek-get-frank-gore-going-against-indianapolis
think sproles was better than even mccoy. shady did the cut block thing.
i think it’s ok, i’m more surprised that we’re paying him the amount of money that we’re paying. I’d also love ahmad bradshaw.
Can’t take the numbers too seriously until you see the details
Bradshaw gets injured too often.
I love the idea of Gore in our offense. Chip wants more plays. He needs a RB that keeps us on schedule. FG will do just that. He runs hard. He’s a N/S guy. He will do much btter in short yardage GL situations than Shady. Gore is a perfect guy to have for 2 years while we groom whatever RB we draft this year.
yes best power back on the market.
He will penalize blitzes on MM and his draw plays will kill aggressive DLs and LBs.
Great. Give Nasty Nick protection and he’ll dominate.
My thoughts exactly.
He’s nowhere near the talent Shady is, but he’ll do exactly what we need him to do.
When you say talent, do you mean current talent or talent in his prime talent?
Both. I think Shady’s current talent is greater than Gore’s now and whenever you’d call Gore’s prime. But for the usage type we need and salary difference; Gore is a great fit.
current. in prime gore was a beast. all the moves on offseason are going to be about red zone and 3rd down. Kelly can manufacture yards between the 20s but he can’t manufacture TDs those have to be executed w/ the right players.
Agree completely.
I don’t like Gore at that price. At all.
We dont know the specifics of what we actually offered Gore (if anything), but we essentially would be trading Shady for Gore, Kiko, and 5+ mil. What is not to like?
Gore and the other $5mil in cap space
Gore just finished his 10th season.
His yards-per-game has gone down every season since 2009.
He had his fewest rushing attempts per game since his rookie year.
But he hasn’t missed a start since 2011 (when he missed just1).
Receiving? In years 2-6, Gore caught: 61, 53, 43, 52, 46 receptions (2006-2010). Pretty good receiver.
But in 2011, when Harbaugh arrived, Gore’s pass receptions dropped — interestingly, however, by about the same number his carries increased. So his touches remained essentially the same.
Bottom line, I’m agnostic on whether Kelly adds Gore.
But he seems like a pro’s pro. He’s a RB who’s defied father time — which is to say, Gore’s playing on borrowed time now.
Gore is certainly playing on borrowed time, and the fall might be sharp when it really happens. But I can’t imagine we’d treat him like we did Shady. Much more of a platoon approach with Polk hopefully gaining carries as the year goes on. I think it makes sense to shore us up before the draft so we can draft a RB if the situation is right but won’t get screwed if we get Mariota.
The bottom line is we needed someone dependable right now. Our backfield looks like it’s dependable with an X factor in the form of Polk. I like the move. It’s not a wow move, but it makes a ton of sense given limited resources and potential draft moves down the line.
Apparently, Maclin wants $11M a year at the minimum.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/3/8/8171335/eagles-free-agency-rumor-jeremy-maclins-price-tag-continues-to-rise
Someone will give it to him.
Go F yourself Jeremy. 5 years / $45 mil or peace out.
i think we’ll let him price himself out and then we’ll come back around if no one has picked him up.
Agreed. I’ll sit there with that 5 years / $45 mil on the Cooper guarantee % structure and see what Maclin wants to do.
RELAX!! Geagle said Maclin will be back and sign on a Wednesday. He said he has heard to from an insider.
get andre holmes!
His new agent, Tom Condon, is about as hard-ball a negotiator as there is out there. I suspect Maclin’s decision to remain with Condon’s firm after Dogra left sent a pretty clear message to NovaCare.
And (as I wrote before), Condon doesn’t need much to remind JMac how the Eagles lowballed him last year. (I’m guessing at $8M, he’d have taken a deal.)
A couple of questions relating to Maclin.
Is he among the 10 best WRs in the NFL? Top 15?
His best season comes on the heals of DJax’s best season.
Has Kelly seen anything in 2 years to suggest that his scheme is not designed — as it was in college — so that pretty good though not great WRs will put up big numbers, whoever they are?
Most important for Maclin . . . what teams out there want — or even NEED — a pretty good WR at $11M per season?
And which among that group has the cap space to pay?
Well Toddfather have said Kelly think everything but QB and OL is easy replaceable positions in the NFL
Yep, you nailed it, I think.
There’s another NFL coach who doesn’t seem too worried about who lines up at WR for him.
He only worries that his QB is upright — and they win titles.
And that Cooper deal, as bad as it seems, was about locking up a very good BLOCKING wide receiver.
That’s what Kelly values. Maybe even more than receiving skills.
Sounds like a reason to bring in Torrey Smith.
Smith’s career numbers in 4 years of being a pro and without every missing a game: 213-3591-30
Maclin’s career numbers in 6 years of being a pro: 343-4771-36
Maclin is a better player than Smith, but the gap isn’t huge and if I can get Smith for $8 mil /year or Maclin for $11 mil / year; give me Smith.
Please dear God no on T. Smith.
Ha ha, not a fan?
Here is the list; who do you like?
http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2015WR.php
Leonard Hankerson. Cheap, high upside, injury bug and inconsistent QB play, have limited but he’s still 81-1081-6 on his career despite having missed a decent chunk of time.
A guy from THE U? Count me in. I think he’d round out the group nicely.
Why don’t you like T. Smith?
Watch jeremy maclin highlights from last year a lot of the guys touchdowns he was never covered. Chips scheme is kind of am amazing.
How many other receivers could have made those clutch, sideline and diving catches last year? Surely not Riley.
They just have to remember there’s plenty more to a WR than the basic stats show.
if we are sticking with Foles we can and need to be more stingy on our FAs as Foles will need a big contract next year. We will also have all of our draft picks to fill out the roster.
If we are getting MM we need to be aggressive in filling our holes. We need Maclin to help develop MM. If that is the way we go then get this guy signed. We wont have to pay big bucks to a QB for another 4-5 years.
Are you out of your mind? Foles hasn’t done anything to deserve a big contract.
“Big” for a QB vs. “big” overall on your cap are different animals. Even a middling Foles costs you $14 mil / year.
I’m not arguing for or against Foles/MM. I am saying how Chip’s decision will impact Mac. If you want MM you shoul b happy to give him Mac at 10-11mil if thats what t takes.
14-4?
I think if that’s the case you go Torrey Smith unfortunately and draft a WR.
So we still need a G, S, Sheard, and an answer to WR. 2nd CB questions as well.
I say we do not need G, WR and 2nd CB, but would love to upgrade 2nd CB the most (we are getting McCourty, cant see anybody outbid us)
And you could very well be right.
I can find a lot of solutions to WR, G, and 2nd CB that don’t have to be big money things.
I’m mildly worried that McCourty just stays with New England and/or goes “home” to the Giants because he’s from that region.
But we’re not getting outbid on him for sure.
he isnt the only safety available thats an upgrade to Nate… if we miss out on McCourty, on to Searcy, Rahim or Gilchrist
Fine, fine, and fine. I like all of those names, but I”m saying if we want any of them we’re not getting outbid.
oh, im not ready to give up the McCourty dream either… but at the end of the day, come out of this with one of those names and ill shut up…. i dont wanna hear how dirt cheap we were able to get Nate for a year, or how we can assume Wiolff or Reynolds can start… or how we will go into the draft being forced to look for a safety in a weak class… Cant wait another year for that position to not be adequately filled
Nolan Carrol, sorry bud… but if we actually get to draft anyone this year im sure an outside corner will be added
I really think Carroll will be our 2. I think it depends on how much we spend on other positions. Especially safety.
I might be smoking crack, but I’d like to see what type of growth Watkins has made at CB going into his 2nd year. Maybe he takes that job?
I would love to see that. I think that is best case scenario with him taking that job. I do think he will be taking over slot when Boykin leaves next year. I am high on him. He showed some potential in that last game. He got beat a few times but really what do you expect considering.
he will still play next year… he has to replace Nolan as our Dime CB
Carrol is going to be our #2 in september for sure! and we will be pleasantly surprised… like his technique, grit and athleticism
Agree. Put a solid defense around him and I think we will be very pleased with him as our 2.
absolutely… we talking improved LB corp in Coverage.. I would like to assume that McCourty,Searcy, Rahim or Gilchrist will be starting Next to Jenkins..Maxwell on the other side… Boykin and Jaylen as our slot nickel and Dime corners, thats like a 500% improvement in coverage from last year…. Nolan would be more then fine being the lessor of the big names on that type of defense… figure a outside CB will be drafted anyway, hopefully he will be a stud who can be even better then Nolan in 2016… plus i like his brain.. smart kid,. not easy to play dime role for the first time in your career after always playing outside CB/. he handled it well
I didn’t realize Maxwell’s measurables were so impressive:
http://mockdraftable.com/player/483/
Nice.
He’s a seahawk. They know how to draft. The get guys with special traits and physical abilities. Then they coach those guys up. Its why they have so many dynamic players. Rounds 1-7 they are looking for explosive, long athletes.
Now irs not an issue, but it is why I thoyght everyone was crazy when they wanted to waste a 1st on E Kenricks. He’s a good player, but there is nothing elite about him.
Maxwell was a late round pick, but had great measureables. we need more guys like this from our draft class.
Any thoughts, info on why Maxwell was a 6th Rd pick in 2011?
Eagles used their two 5th Rd picks on Vandevelde and Dion Lewis.
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Eagles spent 6th, after Max, on Kelce
Had no hips.
In one of his articles on MMQB Sherman talked about how hard Maxwell worked on things like bikram yoga and other mobility exercises to gradually improve in that area.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/byron-maxwell?id=2495310
Thank you, Coach!
MAXWELL TO EAGLES!!!!!!
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2385525-byron-maxwell-latest-news-rumors-and-speculation-surrounding-free-agent-cb
while the news is great… feel alot better if the sources didnt get less reliable by the minute… bleacherreport?
Already have buyers remource.
Haha I see what you mean but when I opened it up that’s what I saw. I don’t have a Twitter or anything else
Looks like Gore is definitive.
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
15s16 seconds ago
Free-agent RB Frank Gore has told people he will sign this week with the Philadelphia Eagles, league sources told me and @caplannfl.
Adam Caplan
@caplannfl
4s5 seconds ago
Book on Gore: Leadership, great in pass pro, excellent zone runner (also good running out of shotgun formation).
Louis Riddick @LRiddickESPN 16s16 seconds ago
RB’s have been “de-valued”, but are still very valuable. Gore is a stud, and is the style that Chip wants. Can totally see the fit. Like it.
Love the Gore pick up….. Hate the rumoured money. 5+ per season is too much in my opinion for where he is as is the 7mil guaranteed. Won’t judge until we see the contract however.
UFA market is like that. Cap goes up 20M in 2 years, so do team salaries, and especially more to UFAs.
Eliot Shorr Parks had Eagles in on Gore first. Lets remember this next time he comes up with something.
Parks is getting better as a reporter. For a while there, he had the blog mentality of thinking he constantly had to produce new content so he’d throw out too many meaningless, speculative articles.
Don’t disagree. He’s gotten killed here, so thought he deserved some props.
He still shows his total lack of football knowledge from time to time, such as suggesting Wilfork isnt a fit in our defense because we run a 3-4…..
True. He took a beating for that one.
Does he not also have us heavy in on McCourty? IIRC.
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/03/eagles_making_serious_push_for_patriots_devin_mcco.html
He’s quite good at putting out information given to him by the team.
get’s a bad rap.
and while he broke DJax – gang story . . .
bigger problem for me wasn’t the story.
it was the sources and timing — which smacked of HR doing a CYA
Geoff Mosher
@GeoffMosherCSN
1m1 minute ago
I’m told #Eagles did show interest in Davon House “early on” but perhaps plans changed w/imminent Maxwell signing.
Would be nice to get both. Let me throw a name out at CB. Sterling Moore. Played surprisingly well for Cowgirls last year. Can play slot or outside CB. He was a RFA that they didn’t tender because a. they’re idiots and b.they need to save their cap room to try to re-sign DeMarco.
Not so fast on Maxwell to Philly. Schefter/Caplan say Seattle still trying to keep him:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12445109/frank-gore-plans-sign-philadelphia-eagles
His agent must have like 4 cell phones running at once.
but but but but bleacher report and elliot parks said it was a done deal…LOL
I do like the Gore signing. He is obviously a more N-S runner and ddoesnt take as many negative yards as Shady. As ACV pointed out below he is surprisingly good as a pass catcher. Not even that concerned about his price. As long as he can stay healthy and move the ball forward, it is a good signing. Maxwell is getting a good chunk of change but Howie knows how to keep us not tied at the hip to FA’s and probably leads from 2011. Some differences between Nnamdii and Maxwell are: one played on 2 super bowl caliber teams, had tutelage from the best secondary in the NFL and isn’t in his 30s.
more importantly, he is experienced running zone reads out of shotgun… a veteran RB who may not mind lining up in shotgun all game..
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Gore brings the power with Polk…sproles gets jiggy on 3rd down.. i like it
adds some more toughness to our offense.. less Finesse, more of a power attitude to our Offense, i dig it…… heck Gore can probably have a big year in chips offense for an old man
Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora
13s14 seconds ago
Eagles continue to make a push to retain Jeremy Maclin, one of their offseason priorities. They are certainly being proactive thus far
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Q: does signing Gore make it seem more likely or less likely that the Eagles are trying to engineer the oft-rumored big trade-up for Mariota?
I don’t know if it is a big factor either way. I’d say it makes it slightly less likely because a. Gore is a great pass protector which helps Foles and b.you can’t trade away too many picks because you want to bring in youth at RB.
dont think it matters one way or the other.. arguments for how it helps both QBs… pass protector, nice pass catching weapon helps Foles…. yet he also brings years of experience running the zone read game with a fast QB like Kap which works for MM… arguments for both… dont think it means anything in terms of our QB intentons… all it tells me is we got a little tougher as an offense, better in goal line and short yardage, while paying probably half of what we had to pay shady
I think more. They bring in an over-the-hill veteran because they won’t have any high picks if they trade up for MM.
You can get a lead back quality RB in the 3rd or 4th round this year.
really dont see an angle for why it would lead to that….. im sure we will still have a 4th round pick to draft a RB if we need one, whether we sell our souls or not… dont think it points to one way or the other…
More. He’s great at pass pro and his running style will keep aggressive Ds on their heals.
as if there is anything that can possibly happen that would make you say “less”….
What if we traded for Tom Brady?
great mentor to hold the fort down while Mariota get’s up to speed…obviously
Forget the equivocation regarding Maxwell:
Josina Anderson
@JosinaAnderson
1m1 minute ago
I just got off the phone with CB Byron Maxwell. Maxwell told me directly, “I’m going to Philly.” #Eagles
Which leads me to the question: who is Josina Anderson?
ESPN Reporter. Used to work for one of the Denver papers. The hot chick reporters often get scoops because the players like talking to them.
hype! finally someone reported something with some damn authority instead of whispering rumors.. atta girl!!
Woohoo!
I love Gore and love we signed him, but his scare me except when I see runs like this
Eagles still have plenty of Cap Space for McCourty — even w/ Max & Gore deals
P-L-E-N-T-Y
Yea, now if McCourty, House, and Franklin play ball. Personally, I think JMac is gone because of Chip’s view of the WR position relative to other positions, like OL.
Barring a breakdown in talks, Frank Gore expected to sign 3-year deal in which $7.5 million in first two years are guaranteed. So, basically a 2-year deal. 3rd dummy year which probably pushes average over $5M. I’d guess average over 2 years is less.
Chip Kelly seems like the kind of guy who would rather overspend and get the top 3 players on his list rather than stretch his resources and get 4 out of 5 players, but lose out on one of his top three guys.
Gore deal, per Schefter, 3 years w/ $7.5m guaranteed.
Sounds a lot like Sproles extension after trade. Great value.
eh…years 33 and 34 are particularly unkind to RBs with tons of miles
so are 28-30.
He’s had only 1 300+ carry season — Yr 2 of his career.
and so far he’s defied the time.
but RBs over age 28 are a risk. NO QUESTION
Here’s Gore taking the field in his final game in San Francisco last year…
http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/BoogaFrito/Gore%20Walker.jpg
Considering he rushed for like 150 yards, put him in a wheelchair.
Not starting him in that game cost me my fantasy league championship
That’s before the vicodin kicks in.
lol itching his nose thru his helmet, getting all pissed off and ready to run!!!
Some of you might remember when I said getting sexy maxy will be a top priority this off season. Life is good. Go eagles!
We’re probably going to overpay for him, and if we have to overpay for anyone, I’d rather it was Franklin. I know there is a passel of posters here who are jonesin’ for Max, but I can’t help but think he’s going to disappoint. I’m talking return on the dollar. He’s definitely an improvement, but I think we’ll be throwing a couple million more his way than he’s worth.
That’s what happens when the Eagles are so terrible at drafting CB’s lately.
I blame that on Reid more than Chip. Watkins will be of value I believe, but otherwise cupboard is bare. Carroll was not a bad pickup, but yeah, we’ll be paying the piper.
i dont have to have Max at all… but i dont know how I feel about overpaying for a Guard… figure Guard and RB are like the two positions we actually stand of drafting a guy that has a chance of starting day one as a rookie…. Id rather overpay for the positions that i dont trust rookies to play
McLane says we won’t be getting Orlando Franklin. Can’t win every bidding competition.
Jeff McLane
@Jeff_McLane
52s53 seconds ago
Source says Chargers won that one. MT @PhillySportsJD: According to @Jeff_McLane, Eagles pursuing Denver Broncos OL Orlando Franklin.
Get Clint Boling!
Absolutely!. Boling would be a great signing and fits the scheme.
We need either Boling or Franklin to plug-n-play RG, then draft Fisher or Marpet to replace Mathis.
Elway doesn’t think that Franklin fits the zone blocking scheme or maybe they don’t have the $$.
If we went after Franklin and he isnt as much fit in a pure zone blocking scheme and consider we signed (or are about to sign Gore) then this tweet seems 100% correct
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
2m2 minutes ago
Titans are showing decent interest in Mark Sanchez, sources say. A return to
Philly remains a possibility. We’ll see how this plays out.
Really hope titans sign him. Would prob mean they will take williams at 2 instead of mariota
i would hate to lose sanchez.. cant find a better backup
Frank Gore?……I dig it, our offense just got:
tougher
more powerbased, less finesse
Improved short yardage and Goal line..
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stylistically Gore and Sproles makes more sense then Shady and Sproles.
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chip made an excuse last year that he didnt like to play sproles and shady at the same time because teams know we are throwing since neither can be a lead blocker… Gore is a tough Physical cat. you can play him and sproles and keep defenses guessing by having Gore Lead block for sproles at times maybe out of something like a two back Pistol…that way teams cant just assume Sproles will be catching the ball…Gore can do a little blocking but he is also good as a pass catcher, so after a few lead blocks, play action to sproles and throw it to gore or sproles….. better stylistic fit, the cliche thunder and Lightning instead of shady and sproles..
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i am however surprised we didnt just draft a 4th rd RB and pay him under a mil for the next 4 years
Yessss sirrr well said broski, really like this signing.
thank you sir… AND IF you like the power, how about some 3back Pistol? both Polk and Gore lead blocking for Sproles..fake to one, lead block with polk and Gore, with Sproles straight line speed just bursting thru…
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im down with anything that turns up the power dial a few notches… Tough,Physical football still winning lombardis..
Yea man definitely the pistol would be a great thing to the offense. I also think don’t remember that Chips offense is primarily a move the chains offense, we’ve relied too much on big plays in his first two years with the personnel. The offense as currently constructed fits Chips mold for his offense, no lost yards or negative is a big deal to him as it should be.
certainly going to enjoy the 5yard losses now turning into 1 or 2 yard gains…. great point
32 yr old RBs on their last legs do not seem all that appealing to me
i can see him having a good year for us… but with sproles as our 3rd down back, i thought we could have easily used polk and a 4th round rookie to carry the 1st and 2nd down load with a little sproles sprinkled in…
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but atleast this is another move that points to going all in and trying to contend next year
Kelly can’t use Gore like he used McCoy.
Gore’s avg about 250 carries last 5-6 years.
Polk — or someone — has to step up. Beyond Sproles.
Let Polk get the difference between Gore and what Shady got.
absolutely…. but you are talking about someone who used to wonder what it would be like to lose shady for a half just so i could see some “Baby Huey” Polk… Been Dying for him to play more, hype to not have a dominant workhourse who will eat up all Polks carries.
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of course this opinion can change if we lose Polk, but I would assume for now that he will stay….
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the last thing i wanted was to pay for a back that would burry polk on the bench again… i dont LOVE THE idea of starting Polk either, so this def works for me
Gore’s last 4 starts in 2014 (started all 16 games):
#13. 12-68 (Oakland)
#14. 11-29 (Seattle)
#15. 28-144 (Chargers)
#16. 25-158 (Cardinals)
Most carries of any active back (Steven Jackson is done)
24th most carries all time
Belichick delivers.
What struck me about Gore’s numbers is he’s had only 1 season with more than 300 carries (Y-2).
Otherwise, in terms of rushing attempts only, his numbers look more like a guy who played in the 14-game era.
Physical freak defying odds. Rare breed.
Only Emmitt Smith and Walter Payton have been this productive this long.
And the long forgotten HOFer John Henry Johnson — who topped 1000 yards twice (age 33, 35) in the 14-game era.
List of seasons where a back 32 or older ran for more than 4.0 ypa, with any kind of real workload:
Garrison Hearst (2003) age 32: 178-768-3 (4.31)
Mike Anderson (2005) age 32: 239-1014-12 (4.24)
Ricky WIlliams (2009) age 32: 241-1142-11 (4.65)
Warrick Dunn (2008) age 33: 186-786-2 (4.23)
Marcus Allen (1995) age 35: 207-890-5 (4.3)
Marcus Allen (1996) age 36:206-830-9 (4.03)
History does not look favorably upon this contract.
http://www.sportingcharts.com/articles/nfl/best-running-back-seasons-by-30plus-year-olds.aspx
exactly. that’s why I don’t like to bet on players being outliers that buck the odds.
Chances are Frank Gore had two good games at the end of 2014 for a host of different reasons, but ultimately will be an expensive asset that falls off the cliff physically very very soon.
wasnt that cardinal defense playing for a playoff spot at the time?
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at no point did i ever look at him and think that he was over the hill…and with his age and mileage its something I was always kind of looking to see, and. i cant ever recall thinking that about him… but the offensive play calling was really bad last year as far as Gore was concerned. there were games he was barely getting touches not getting him into a groove… it felt like his role was changing every time I caught a niner game last year. sure it was a frustrating year for him,… can def see him having 1 good year here..hopefully he doesnt roll out of bed tomorrow morning feeling 3 years older then the night before
That’s a bingo
News? “According to a person with knowledge of the situation who requested anonymity, the Eagles are making a serious push to land New England Patriots safety Devin McCourty.”
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/03/eagles_making_serious_push_for_patriots_devin_mcco.html
Last time I took a break from staring at a computer all afternoon I came back and we had agreed with Maxwell. I’m taking another break.
Keep taking breaks GR!!!
Ok so if we do sign Maxwell..we’re still taking a CB in the first right?
when are we going to have a first?
2020?
Mariota as a two way player?
Doubt it. Paul Dawson, Erik Kendricks, Bud Dupree, Jake Fisher, Armstead, T.J. Clemmings – any of them could be available at 20, and all more immediate help than any corner in the draft.
Dawson is 100% not on Eagles draft board
Especially with the moves at ilb
Kendricks?
Why 3 young ILBs?
Dawson is not a first rounder. Why do we need Kendricks with Alonso here now? Armstead is a luxury. Dupree has to have major red flags to drop down to us even then I doubt we take him. Clemmings, I could see him there at 20 though.
From Shady McCoy to Frank Gore.. WTF!!! lol Scheme over talent sheesh c’mon Chip!
I feel bad for Shady but he just got paid so..
Thought Chip was going for youth n scheme fit.. Ah well i shouldnt be quick to judge the signing..
Mentor for Todd Gurley!!
stop gap to Zeke Elliot!!!
That would be sick… but not sure how we can draft Zeke when we have traded that 1st for Mariota j/k 😛
hopefully we take care of most of our blatant holes so next year can be a quiet reinforcement year focused on continuity and extending young talent… if we actually have a first rounder next year and not a million holes to fill, probably isnt that hard or expensive to make sure you come out of round #1 with the #1 RB..
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The ONLY positions i would assume we can go into a draft and get the top guy at his position no matter where we are drafting, is RB, G and Center… typically they dont go top 12… at 13 or later its not that expensive to move up to secure one of those 3 positions.
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then again this assumes we wont see a special back like Zeke go top 10… id like to think RBs are so devalued that we wont be seeing a top 10 back… who was the last guard that went top 10? johnathon Cooper?… i cant even name two centers off the top of my head that have gone top 10..
ZEKE!!!
Gore is perfect for the scheme.
Scheme cool but youth what missing.. Seems like stop gap signing when thought all that stop gap was done in Chips first season
It’s a good stop gap though, well probably draft an rb sometime and let Gore, Sproles, Polk carry the load for the time being
So at this point it looks like Caroll, Watkins, and maybe a rookie competing at #2 CB. Does that scare anyone else?
Or, they could actually give Boykin a chance to play on the outside
Well thats just outside the realm of possibility at this point.
new secondary coach, you never know
At this point, we might reach a point where Buster Skrine and Brice McCain is on the list, in which case Boykin, despite his height, should be too. I understand Chip values the slot CB, but between Nolan Carroll and Boykin we have that covered. Might even end up letting Carroll and Boykin battle it out for the spot opposite Maxwell.
Also, lets not forget that both Davon House, Perrish Cox, Chris Culliver is still available as far as I know. Throw in a dark horse like Antonio Cromartie, Rasheen Mathis or even a guy like Walter Thurmond, who might have injuries but was great for Seattle and from Oregon. Also some older guys who i dont know how much have fallen off: Tillman, Tarell Brown, Cortland Finnegan, Antoine Cason.
Still plenty of CBs left, should be one left who we can lowball once the market settles. Even with the signing of Maxwell and Gore, we still have a shit ton of cap room.
I’ll take a resigning of Maclin and then McCourty, Perrish Cox/Davon House, Jabaal Sheard/Obrien Schofield and that Wisnewski guy from Oakland who I suspect might go a little under the radar.
I am very interested in House. Worst case scenario I think He is Carroll level, which isn’t bad. I think he has the potential to be pretty good however. Not Pro bowl good, but around Sheldon Brown level.
Not happening. It’s just going to make your slot CB weak. Everyone kept saying last year to move him to outside. Cool, whose playing slot then? I get why they didn’t do it. I don’t get why Carroll didn’t take over for Fletcher.
Not if Maxwell-Jenkinks-McCourty make up the rest of the secondary.
As long as Carroll doesn’t have a crisis of confidence — a la Fletcher. One day he’s good. Then, poof . . .
No… im excited for Nolan as the #2 assuming he is playing with 3 quality starting DBs
They could in theory give Boykin a shot as well. As mentioned, nervousness would depend on who the second safety is.
Not really a rookie, Boykin, Carroll committee won’t be worse than Fletch
No, Carroll was a very solid starter in Miami. He matches up good against big receivers like Dez. I wouldn’t mind him as our two. Keep in mind the safety play behind him will be very good.
thank you… people dont understand we signed him because of tape we watched of him playing outside…last year was the first time playing inside and he did a damn good job, why are people so ready to rule him out when we are talking about moving him to his natural position? nice ST player too
What’s the total on Gores deal
Most likely something like 15 mill over 3 years, with 7.5 guarateed over the first two years.
So final year is an unguaranteed 7.5? So its really just 2 years 7.5mil but fully guaranteed
Most likely just a 2 year deal worth between 8-10 mill, with an added 3 year.
Doubt the first 2 years are the same as the 3rd
Byron Maxwell/Trae Waynes/McCourty
Byron Maxwell/Byron Jones/McCourty
Give me one of those combinations Chip!
Put any shmuck in the middle I’m would be thrilled with McCourty and Max
Where’s Belichick . . .
Very interested to read your views on (i) retaining Maclin, (ii) trade up for Mariota, (iii) importance of getting McCourty?
i: love Maclin, but at some point he isnt worth it
ii: what ever it takes (except for Fletcher Cox)
iii: give him all the money
SERIOUSLY. C’mon Tyler these deals are like, HOURS old at this point.
These questions have been percolating for weeks.
Not hours.
Ha. Also true.
Like your stuff. Keep it coming!
Come on, man I’m busting my butt…
https://robinspielberger.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/stare-at-my-desk.gif?w=720
1. I would prefer to do so but WR is deep in the draft so a cheap reclamation project with good upside like Leonard Hankerson and a quality day 3 WR (Kenny Bell) would work as well.
2. Increasingly likely.
3. Depends on the money. I like him but I would prefer 25 year old Rahim Moore at say $6mil a year over 28 year old McCourty at $10mil a year.
I’d still take Mccourty
Seriously, great stuff.
Best of the best.
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be awesome to see the cowtrash lose him to the Jags after how they treated him…. as long as they cant get AP of course
Sweet I need my Jags to load up!!
Murray’s earned a great pay day.
Still don’t see the logic behind what Buffalo did, though
I wanted him to go to Indianapolis to play with Luck.
Just paying devil’s advocate what’s to say they are mutually exclusive?
They are not. And by “Win Now” – Chip means SB.
I hope this guy is right. Consider me on the Only-Take-Mariota-If-We-Don’t-Have-to-Mortgage-the-Future bandwagon.
I think Chip sees himself and Mariota winning now
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That doesn’t make sense… So if Chip was 100% going after Mariotta he wouldn’t sign any freer agents? There are holes that need to be addressed whether or not he goes after a qb…
Chip tried to recruit Hundley once before.
Tramon Williams pairing with Maxwell.. Thoughts?
Nope
Gore style signing. Sign a vet to fill in, then draft and develop a replacement.
Per Elliot-Shorr Parks, the Eagles have interest in Williams.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/3/8/8172019/nfl-free-agency-rumors-eagles-tramon-williams-packers-cornerback
https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/574689824583589888
Hasn’t he pretty much sucked since that interception?
Rather get House.
I think Williams might end up being cheaper than House.
I would hope so. He’s got 5 or 6 years on him.
House is younger and has more potential at this point. Williams will start to slow down quickly due to age. Wouldn’t surprise me if GB managed to retain House and have him start instead of Williams. If you get House you have a young secondary that will play together for years. I think if we get McCourty there are to many holes on this team to pay more money for secondary. House won’t be cheap. I think Carroll will start opposite of Maxwell, and with good safeties behind him, and a good defense all around him Carroll will be a good 2 CB.
doubt it…. I like Nolan Carroll.
Reads like a Dawk endorsement of Maxwell. Wow!
Notice any similarities?…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07fZQRU7G2Y
Reminds me of CJ Gaddis.
any idea who the hell worded the question calling Max an above average CB? above average? lol basically the way a hater says the word “Good”
https://twitter.com/BrianDawkins
Dawk’s timeline has it all
Although Barwin got 6-36 with 8 mil guaranteed, so it’s pretty different.
I don’t think McCourty signs with the Eagles. I bet he re-signs with NE on at a hometown discount of $7mm/year.
no way…he cant possibly sign for 7 can he? unless its a 1yr deal… you cant give a team a 3mil a year discount..after 3 years you cost yourself 10mil
But you can’t disregard that he’s been playing with them for the past 5 years and is in a comfortable situation.
Yom Brady is probably fine in 2 years and he just got a ring so why forfeit a huge payday to resign for 2-3 mil per year less
i dunno man… talking about watching the team that drafted you pay Revis a Ton, while you leave 10mil on the table? has he made enough money to be ok passing on 10?… Maybe,.,..how much did cobb leave on the table? guess its possible, cant rule out “The Patriot way”…
If he does that I might end up sending him a healthy portion of donkey poop hidden in some really nice pillows. Or hire a guy to kick him in the nuts!
He’s got a Ring. Time to be a Safety God in Philly. He will be worshiped at the alter of Philly Football. And WE WILL PAY HIM.
It’s possible he re-signs with NE but I don’t think that much of a discount is happening
yeah id agree with that… can def see him trying to stay in NE… but i be pretty surprised to see him give 3mil discount per year on a multi year deal… If the price Tag being thrown around is really 10per, I assume Pats have to come up with like 8.5m per…
He already has a ring and this will likely be good only huge contract I doubt he press 10+ mil on the table o resign
Pats are in cap trouble. I truly believe it’s between Birds and Giants. I think if money is tied McCourty would go with Birds. He will be playing next to a good safety in Jenkins. He will have Maxwell in front of him. At minimum another solid CB in front of him. Great Dline, very good LBs. The Eagles are in better position to win then the Giants. He will see the effort being put in to improve the D. I think these things are the X factor that may swing this in our favor.
Cap is a myth… Teams always find away if they want someone..
Yeah, working contracts and cutting people or rolling over cap from year prior. That doesn’t mean cap is a myth. It means they are working it. Some teams have been destroyed because they are in cap trouble. Ask Washington if cap is a myth after losing 35m of it one year as a penalty. Tell everyone involved in the new CBA that the cap is a myth. After all that was a huge part of what they were fighting over.
And I don’t think the Giants cab offer more
Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN 18s18 seconds ago
RT @tomecurran: it seems a very good bet Pats will retain either Revis or McCourty and a pretty good bet they keep both.
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What’s the over/under on the number of replies GEAGLE has in the next 10 minutes?
$26mill guaranteed… that’s Maxwell sorry.
in comparison to the 30 other people who have 300 posts in this thread? no autographs.. its sunday for me too… give my name a break, until you see Donald Kalinowski show up in one of my posts… for all the millions of posts I make, you still havent seen your name in one til now… id appreciate you reciprocating, thank you very much