Getting Closer

Posted: April 29th, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 411 Comments »

The draft is now just 36 hours away. We have no idea what the Eagles are going to do and that’s part of the fun this year. You literally need to pay attention from the opening moments on Thursday. The Eagles could talk to Tampa about trading up for the #1 spot. They’re certainly talking to the Titans about #2. None of this may pan out, but the very possibility is what makes it so interesting.

Let’s go ahead and get the Marcus Mariota stuff out of the way. Jimmy Bama lays out his updated thoughts on the situation here.

It is going to be very difficult for the Eagles to land Marcus Mariota. No team has ever moved up from as far down as the 20th overall pick to as far up as the 2nd pick to draft a quarterback. Additionally, there are no shortage of teams in need of a quarterback, including the team (the Tennessee Titans) that would likely be trading out of the No. 2 spot where most envision Mariota being drafted. There are certainly obstacles galore, and personally, I’m not quite sure if “Mariota to the Eagles” is more likely to happen than not.

However, at a minimum, the possibility of it has legs.

Jimmy then goes point by point and explains the logic to the move. This is very thorough and he makes a compelling case.

I think we all agree that Chip Kelly will try. The question is just how aggressive he’ll be.

McManus might be the most well-connected of the Eagles writers. When he says something that has an inside feel to it…pay attention. He’s telling us Kelly is going to try to make this happen. And we’ve seen that Chip can be pretty creative when it comes to offseason moves.

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In order to get Mariota, the Eagles will surely have to deal away Sam Bradford. Kelly swore Bradford wasn’t here as a trade chip, but not a lot of people bought that. Now there is starting to be scuttlebutt on Bradford and his situation.

Who is behind this leak? Is it Bradford’s agent, who is sending a message to other teams “Don’t trade for Sam, he wants to be in Philly.”

Is this the Eagles, trying to prove to teams how much they value Bradford and aren’t just casually throwing him into potential trade-up offers?

Did Jimmy Bama drink too many PBRs and start crank-calling Mort?

You’re guess is as good as mine.

NFL .com doesn’t think Bradford goes anywhere.

Chip Kelly’s offseason has been so crazy that Eagles fans now expect utter chaos. That includes potentially trading away the franchise quarterback that Kelly just traded for a month ago. We’re not buying this as a legitimate option. Rumors have swirled that the Browns could still acquire Bradford, but it doesn’t pass the sniff test. The Eagles have reportedly started contract extension talks with Bradford and are ready to pay him $12.95 million. They worked on acquiring Bradford for a month because Kelly believes it’s a perfect system fit.

Yes, Kelly would surely love to nab Marcus Mariota. They could even entertain the possibility of pairing Bradford with Mariota if the Oregon prospect fell out of the top five picks. But Eagles ownership and Kelly have spent the entire offseason talking up Bradford as one of the best young quarterback prospects in the league. It defies credulity that they would have invested so much time and energy into Bradford just to deal him away. — Gregg Rosenthal

Kelly has spent a lot of time and effort selling the idea of Bradford as a true franchise QB to the fans and media. It would be weird for him to then go and deal him to move up for Mariota.

But that is the same Marcus Mariota that Chip recruited to Oregon and helped develop into a Heisman Trophy-winning QB. This is a special situation. I don’t think anyone will blame Chip for aggressively going after his old pupil, even if that means his previous statements turn out to be false.

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So about Dion Jordan becoming an Eagle…not so much, huh?

Good thing he got suspended before the deal went down. That would have been pretty awkward, even if the Eagles had just spent a late pick for him.

Who knew Dion Jordan would turn out to be Bernard Williams, pt. 2?

I think we can finally move on from this topic. For good.

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Let’s talk about a couple of mid to late round prospects. Fun guys to watch.

Check out #31 for Kansas. That is ILB Ben Heeney. The thing to watch with him is his range. He flies all over the field.  Wouldn’t it be nice to have a LB who could run like that? Heeney might go as early as the 3rd round.

Check out #64, the RG for West Va. That’s Mark Glowinski, one of my favorite players in the draft. I think he would be perfect for the Eagles. He’s probably a 5th round target, but he just looks like he was born for the Chip Kelly offense. Look at his movement skills and the way he blocks on the 2nd level. He’s got a nasty streak and loves to finish his blocks. Puts defenders on the ground any chance he gets. Love this guy.

Glowinski is too much fun for just one video. Enjoy this.

If that doesn’t excite you, nothing will.


411 Comments on “Getting Closer”

  1. 1 GEAGLE said at 8:18 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    The only way chip,can get Marriota is to get the Browns to give up both their first round picks for something like Bradford and our 2nd round pick, that way chip would be able to offer the Titans 12, 19, 20 and a 1st next year

    I think it’s absurd fanboy talk at its finest to think players on expiring contracts will be involved in the trade to the Titans…
    Unless the Browns want Bradford much more then they want MM, don’t believe this will happen

    Let the Bradford era begin

  2. 2 eagleyankfan said at 8:26 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Amen! The best part about Friday morning will be complaints about everything CK did and NOT read about this Mariota garbage. I don’t care if Tim M. is the 1/2 brother of CK, this is not happening.
    I still stand by me prediction. Eagles move up but not for MM. I have no idea for who or any facts to back it up. It’s what would make my draft day more fun :).

  3. 3 GEAGLE said at 9:11 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    I wouldn’t rule out your theory… People like Tim McManus have said Chip was pissed that Howie didn’t let him trade up for one of the 6 studs last year…

  4. 4 Tdoteaglefan said at 10:32 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    lol, yeah it would be great if we could move on from the mariota talk once and for all but I’m completely expecting the narrative to continue even if we don’t draft him…especially if we end up taking a QB at some point “___ was drafted by the Eagles because they struck out on Mariota deal and grabbed this player as a panic fallback option!” or if we draft Fisher..”Chip drafts another duck in the first round because he’s a duck..what the duck is going on!”

  5. 5 eagleyankfan said at 2:19 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    oh goodness, that’s a whole other bag of worms. The duck connection…

  6. 6 the DONALD said at 8:52 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    alert FANBOY theory/what if scenerio: the browns want Cox and his two years left, we give them both cox and bradford for both their 1st rounders..?? then use the 3 1st and say kendricks to get the 2nd or 1st… dont know if thats enough.. but seems like a HAUL… could toss boykin in there too i guess if they wanted him.. i know expiring contracts etc but its a lot to give up and i would think the titans or bucs would want a lot..

  7. 7 GEAGLE said at 9:10 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Warning: I automatically stop reading as soon as I see “we give them Fletcher Cox”…… Not willing to pay that for ANY PROSPECT in ANY DRAFT… He is a grand slam corner stone player…mwhy would I trade that for a Prospect I HOPE and Pray becomes as good as Cox? No dice

  8. 8 the DONALD said at 9:16 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    what about now? haha

  9. 9 GEAGLE said at 9:21 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    How does the saying go? “A cox in hand now, is worth more then a woman with a shaved bush later”?? Or something like that

    Cox is an epic draft win. You take the win and run,,,
    No matter what anyone says no prospect is CANT MISS…. Trading away Cox now would be dumber then Braman losing Reggie(Reggie was older)..

    Cox is a monster and me and you haven’t even seen his best yet… NO DICE!!

  10. 10 the DONALD said at 9:24 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    i like it.. just want the chipper to be PUMPED to have whatever QB he will use this year.. but maybe its not in the plans this year… cardele jones next year maybe? heard he threw a bomb 75 yards in the air… in spring ball… but he might be a knucklehead…

  11. 11 Corry said at 9:17 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    I would trade Fletcher Cox for a can’t miss Peyton Manning-Andrew Luck type prospect. In other words, I’m not moving him for anyone in this draft.

  12. 12 Birds4Life said at 9:25 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    So you want to trade Bradford (who cost us Foles and a 2nd rd pick next year), Cox, Kendricks, 3 1st round picks aaannd throw in Boykin for Mariota? That is crazy to think of! I’ll be pissed if this happens! Let’s just give up our whole team to draft one guy.

  13. 13 the DONALD said at 9:34 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    first off i dont want to do this… but….NO. you get both of clevelands 1sts for bradford and cox… then you take those bad boys and your own and kendricks and boykin if needed i guess who cares at this point Chipowitz dont like him.. and you get the second or first overall… its not gonna happen and id rather it not but thats what i was getting at.. for fun to get some convo going.. SUCCESS!

  14. 14 Birds4Life said at 9:41 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    So how is what I said wrong? We lose Bradford and Cox to get 2 lst rd picks, then trade 12, 19 & 20 and Kendricks and possibly Boykin. So we would have given up everything I mentioned above to get one guy. We are giving up 4 players currently on the team, to get picks and then trading a total of 4 picks (3 1st rd picks and the 2nd we gave up for Bradford) for 1 player. Its just crazy.

  15. 15 the DONALD said at 9:43 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    eh i guess you just typed it in a different way.. im tired sorry.

  16. 16 Birds4Life said at 9:48 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    All good, we are all fans (fanatics) here. Its just crazy to think of when you list out everything we would have to give up to get him. I would love to have MM on this team. I don’t think any other QB would fit this system better than him except maybe Russell Wilson. But the thought of giving all this up for him makes me nauseous. Its almost over.

  17. 17 the DONALD said at 9:51 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    i hear ya man! glad its tomorrow night..

  18. 18 sonofdman said at 1:06 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    If you look at it from the perspective of what we started with, it would be equivalent to trading Our 2015 1st round pick, Our 2016 2nd round pick, Foles, Cox, Kendricks, and Boykin for Mariota. (Note this does not take into the late round stuff or the conditional 2016 pick in the Foles/Bradford trade).

    This a still a lot to give up and probably not worth it, but in you earlier comment you said that we are trading Bradford, Cox, Kendricks, 3 first round picks, and Boykin. Listing Cox and Bradford and the picks that we got back for them as what we gave up makes it seem like more than it is (even though it is still too much).

  19. 19 Birds4Life said at 2:15 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I realize the way its worded makes it seem like more, but how is it not true? We were trading Bradford and Cox to the Browns for 2 1st round picks, and losing those picks in the trade to Tenn for Mariota. We would be giving up everything I mentioned above. Bradford, Cox, Kendricks and maybe Boykin aren’t on the team and then we are trading all those picks on top of it. That is what we had to give up to draft Mariota, in that scenario.

  20. 20 Bert's Bells said at 8:36 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Dion Jordon: There’s no way a trade would have been completed with his situation.

    Either the league office would be aware of the pending suspension and not approve the deal or he would have failed the physical for peeing hot (or in this case diluted).

  21. 21 eagleyankfan said at 9:44 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    please reread – and adhere to – TLaw’s article.

  22. 22 GEAGLE said at 10:35 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Other places like Rotoworld say they expect him to end up with chip shortly after his suspension

  23. 23 eagleyankfan said at 2:13 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    If CK is giving Tebow a shot — it’s not far fetched to grab this guy…

  24. 24 Bert's Bells said at 10:56 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    PS: Shouldn’t it be cowboyyankfan?

  25. 25 eagleyankfan said at 11:30 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    why? am I anti-eagle or just anti-common sense? Let’s see, I’m not anti-eagle….so…..

  26. 26 Bert's Bells said at 11:53 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Just weird that you’d promote Yankee fandom. It’s a team that’s antithetical to the Eagles.

  27. 27 eagleyankfan said at 1:49 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    lol, I gotcha. Could be worse, I could be EagleMetFan. It hurt to just type that…

  28. 28 Bert's Bells said at 1:53 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Mets ARE traditional losers and kind of a second-rate organization. Oddly, even though I’m Phillies fan (dumb as that is) from before 1986 I don’t hate the Mets as much as the Yankees. Although I did hate the Mets so much that I never could get behind the 93 team with Dykstra.

  29. 29 eagleyankfan said at 2:01 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    if it matters … im not as big of a fan since George S passed away….

  30. 30 Bert's Bells said at 2:07 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    They’re definitely less insane -dare I say, less Jerry Jones-y.

  31. 31 eagleyankfan said at 2:11 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    bingo! I like the circus. Like what CK is providing :).

  32. 32 Michael Winter Cho said at 11:23 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    I don’t get it. If Jordan, a 3rd overall pick, makes the slightest effort to getting his career back on track, a team will give him a chance. Why on heaven wouldn’t it be the Eagles? (assuming Chip is still the coach in two years)

  33. 33 eagleyankfan said at 11:28 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    I wouldn’t blame CK at all. I’m just following T-Laws what T-Law said in the article. 🙂

  34. 34 Insomniac said at 12:01 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    What would ever make Jordan a fit here besides that he’s from Oregon? He’s not a culture fit. He’s still extremely raw at the prime of his career. So what if he’s a 3rd overall pick?

  35. 35 Alistair Middlemiss said at 8:49 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Less than 36 hours left – so pumped for the draft week. I cannot see the Mariota deal happening, but it is a fantastic smoke screen for the rest of the draft process so that helps things hugely.

    The issue i have with this entire process is everyone has said they have the Mariota story from ‘sources’ but i have no idea who they are, what their motivation is or their reliability. I feel that this kind of deal would only involve 3-5 people within the organisation, and unless Lurie/Chip/Marynowitz/Azzinaro/Shurmur are speaking i fail to see where this comes from.

    I personally i feel so much of this is Echo chamber, people speculate interest, people report that speculation, people around this situation say sure Chip has interest and loves Mariota causing more speculation and process just repeats itself.

  36. 36 Insomniac said at 8:53 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    I like Glowinski too. Here’s what Belichick had to say on Glowinski.

    “Glowinski doesn’t do much for me. He executes his blocks, but isn’t dynamic in any particular way. He’s very very much a JAG. Late day 3, sure, but he’s absolutely going to get killed by Tobin in camp if they compete for a job.” – D3FB

  37. 37 GermanEagle said at 8:59 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    The only guys who’ll probably be more anxious about tomorrow than you and me, Tommy, are the following:

    Brandon Boykin, Mychal Kendricks, Vinny Curry, Fletcher Cox.

    Not sure about Evan Mathis though. He’s probably sitting somewhere at a beach watching jelly fish having sex…

  38. 38 eagleyankfan said at 9:39 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    I’m with you .. not sure all those guys stay. I’m hoping they do. I won’t miss Boykin though to be honest.

  39. 39 bsuperfi said at 10:30 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    That is one phenomenal image. For some reason, it immediately made me think of Kelly and Reid in the same room.

  40. 40 Corry said at 9:00 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    I’m sure Mariota is a great guy and probably has a hobby of helping elderly women to cross busy streets or something, but holy shit I’m sick of that guy.

  41. 41 the DONALD said at 9:02 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    like a song you like, that the radio beats to death… i liked it at first but now you ruined it media!

  42. 42 James said at 9:03 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    I’m not sure you are sick of “the guy” but more the name linked to the Eagles.

  43. 43 Corry said at 9:07 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    No I’m pretty sure I hate him.

    (I kid, I kid, but yes, I’m tired of the news coverage and every story being Mariota, Mariota, Mariota, ad nauseum)

  44. 44 James said at 9:08 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Lol. Yea! Fuck that guy! Being all nice and stuff.

  45. 45 oreofestar said at 9:04 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    i wish him the best wherever he goes but I hope that’s not here

  46. 46 eagleyankfan said at 9:36 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    You’re sick of him or sick the constant posting about him?

  47. 47 GEAGLE said at 10:15 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    It’s all a fake image . He sacrifices puppies to Viking Gods before every game

  48. 48 GEAGLE said at 9:07 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Marriota was asked to draw his favorite goal line play on the chalk board, so he goes to the board draws his play, then he begins to explain it, “we are in shotgun….”.. Steve Marriucci stops laughs and says “of course”

    This kid is trained so different from what NFL pro style coaches want. His favorite goal line play comes out of shotgun lol, how many NFL coaches will love to hear that? He hasn’t called a play or been in a huddle in years, this kid is trained so different then what traditional NFL coaches want, I find it so hard to believe that anyone but the Browns really wants him in round 1, since Browns have No standards, they don’t care about fit, they just draft the QB with thebiggest name….bluff every team, give the Browns Bradford to eliminate them from the bidding, and work out a doable deal that doesn’t include any of our defenders… no one really wants this kid in the top 15, it would take years to Develope him in a pro style offense

  49. 49 James said at 9:15 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    I would love to believe that, but there is way too much talent to work with for all these NFL teams w/o good QBs. Now if he didn’t happen to play QB the most premium position in all of sports then I could definitely see a slide.

    Trading Bradford for 12 and picking up Mariota would be ideal tho

  50. 50 MattE said at 9:15 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    I think you are selling him short on intelligence…. in total honesty i htink if he adds some muscle and bulk then he will be fine in MOST offenses.

  51. 51 GEAGLE said at 9:25 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    What’s your definition of will be fine? The #2 pick NEEDS to statt right away, so no he won’t be fine… Not for a few years.
    I don’t care how smart you are, you have to train at something until it becomes second nature… A guy like Wisenhunt isn’t going to trash the offense that has been his life work for some prospect… I don’t think jets or Titans want MM… Only the Browns, maybe the Rams, and one sneaky team we haven’t heard anything about, like the saints or Cheifs..
    But I think Fat andy will end up with Hundley

  52. 52 MattE said at 9:37 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    meh…. but wouldn’t grabbing Mariota buy Wisenhunt an extra year? I think so with that roster.

  53. 53 GEAGLE said at 9:55 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    From what I here, the Titans are ALl IN on Mettemberger but won’t reveal that til after the draft and that this is all bullshit. Titans either pick Leonard Williams or trade the pick… They won’t draft OLB they paid Morgan and Orakpo this year

  54. 54 MattE said at 10:18 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Yeah I agree on Mettenberger, I likened him to Kirk Cousins as a big conference college QB that had a great full college career, see also: Aaron Murray. I felt like those guys were around forever in college.

  55. 55 MattE said at 9:16 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    the kid got a 33 on his Wunderlic, which is basically a test for reading comprehension and learning ability.

  56. 56 Buge Halls said at 11:43 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Andy Reid would love it!

  57. 57 sonofdman said at 1:12 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Alex Smith played in a shotgun spread offense and did not take many snaps from center, and had small hands and a weaker arm than Mariota and went first overall.

  58. 58 lcwboyboy said at 9:16 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    I woke up at 4am and couldn’t fall back to sleep in anticipation for this draft. Here are my thoughts on Mariota:

    – Any trade for Mariota HAS to involve Bradford. You gave up a lot to get him so you can’t keep him AND give up even more to get Mariota.

    – What’s Bradford actual trade value? You would hope it’s more than Foles and the picks sent to the Rams, otherwise what was the point? Maybe his value around the league is higher than what the fans and media think it is. The Rams did unload a big salary and get a QB back in return and we know they were offered at least one 1st round pick.

    – Speaking of Bradford’s value, how much does it drop when the word is out there that he won’t sign an extension with anyone but the Eagles?

    – Everyone is talking about trading up to #2 … what about trading up to #1? Lovie Smith does like his veteran QBs.

    – The Jimmy Johnson trade chart seems to still be pretty accurate to this day when it comes to determining draft value. The Eagles entire 2015 draft won’t get you to #1 or #2 so …

    – We’d have to trade players. What round value do you put with the guys who have been rumored to be on the block? Mathis, maybe a 5th? Boykin is young and proven so you could probably recoup the 4th round pick that you originally spent on him. Vinny Curry? Teams need pass rushers so I would think a 3rd round pick, possibly a 2nd if you find a 4-3 team that values him as an every down DE. Kendricks has to be worth at least a 2nd, right? Fletcher Cox should be worth at least a first, no?

    – I would not under any circumstances want to part with Cox. He makes everyone in that front 7 better. Do Barwin and Curry put up the sack numbers that they did without him? Not so sure. With that being said, I’d hate to lose Curry too. You already need to replace Cole’s 7.5 sacks, so I wouldn’t want to need replace Curry’s numbers too.

    – It doesn’t make sense to me unload any of those guys on defense. You just traded for Kiko Alonso and signed Byron Maxwell to strengthen your defense. If you trade Cox, Kendricks or Curry then you’re just weakening yourself again.

    – But if you do trade those players, you better keep draft picks because you’re going to need to replace them.

    – With that being said, you need a franchise QB in this league. We have a gimp, butt fumble, and a guy who shouldn’t be in the league. Ugh.

    So…how do future picks count on the trade value chart? I would think a 1st round pick next year doesn’t hold quite the value as a 1st round this year. I would do just about anything to get Mariota short of trading Fletcher Cox. In fact, I would sooner part with our next 3 first round picks, Bradford, Kendricks, Mathis, Boykin, Curry (if absolutely necessary), plus I’d give up beer for a year, rather than lose Cox.

    With all that being said, I think Mariota is an Eagle by 8:30pm tomorrow night. Just a hunch. And Fletcher Cox better still be one too.

  59. 59 James said at 9:21 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Trading away players just seems to far-fetched, it just rarely happens in the NFL Draft. Is TEN desperate enough to get Bradford, 2015 1st rounder and 2016 first rounder? I think that is fair considering they would need at least a year to work on Mariota in a traditional offense.

  60. 60 GEAGLE said at 9:30 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Players won’t be traded for a top pick unless the team gets permission to work out an extension with their agents before completing the deal.. No one is trading back for players they could lose to free agency at the end of the year… A team would have to be retarded to do that

  61. 61 GEAGLE said at 9:33 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    If you want Marriota then you have to cough up a bunch of picks… Don’t like the price? Then you don’t get the kid…. Can’t make up our own insane nonsense scenario and expect Titans to bite..”gotta pay the cost to be the boss”-illustrious scholarly poet known as 76yr old snoop doggy Dogg…

    People want Marriota but they don’t want to cough up the picks Lol what Fairytale land are we in?

  62. 62 the DONALD said at 9:36 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Neverland ranch is only open for a little longer.. dont fret Geag.. itll be over soon! haha

  63. 63 GEAGLE said at 9:53 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    It’s gotten to the point that the absurdity of the moronic trade scenarios for this kid has made it so I can’t even enjoy the draft. I can’t even have favorite prospects because at this point I can’t even enjoy the draft… I have to hold my breath and hope all my young defenders are still here on Sunday. The talk has been so insane that do whatever the hell you want with the picks, just leave my young defense alone… I’m at the point where that’s all I care about this year thanks to moronic media and fans

  64. 64 lcwboyboy said at 10:20 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Hey there, I always respect your posts so I just wanted to be clear on what I was writing. I don’t think we have the picks to get him, so the only option would be to give up the players. And I agree with what you say about a team trading down for players with expiring contracts. I would think that those things are already being discussed in the background though so whether it be the Titans or Tampa, those teams would need to feel pretty confident that they can work out long term deals — assuming they’re interested in players to begin with. I do think a team could extend Boykin, Curry, or Kendricks fairly easily to pretty team friendly deals though.

  65. 65 GEAGLE said at 10:24 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    No disrespect to you, I take more exception when media members say this sort of thing… no matter how much money a team throws at a player, it’s not a guarantee he won’t leave them when is vontract is up, and I don’t see how trading our expiring contracts have value, I can’t image players would be able to be included without working out an extension first, but we will find out soon

  66. 66 lcwboyboy said at 10:39 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    No disrespect taken. I was trying to look at it from every possible angle. To me, Bradford is the key. You gave up a lot to get him and the only realistic way to Mariota, in my opinion, is to “make a profit” on Bradford. I don’t see how you can possibly do that. I think the player scenario picked up steam when people realized that there really was no way to get up that high without trading the entire 2015 draft PLUS, so people are looking for ways to get it done. I don’t think it’s IMPOSSIBLE to move the players, but definitely not probable.

    I love Cox, Kendricks and Curry. You just added Alonso and Maxwell. You have an opportunity to add a few more pieces in the draft, and now you have a pretty solid defense. That’s why I was saying it doesn’t make sense to trade them.

    My “gut feeling” that we’ll end up with Mariota somehow is simply because of Chip’s unpredictability. I don’t think he can REALLY be sold with Bradford as his QB. He has an outside the box way of looking at things compared to the NFL norm. I just have a hunch that he’s cooking up something.

    But I keep going back to Bradford. Chip can’t possibly think he can give up a 4th, 2nd next year, and Foles to get him and parlay that into something more, can he?

  67. 67 lcwboyboy said at 9:32 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    I agree but we are seeing more player trades in recent years. What helps is that, with the exception of Mathis, the guys I listed are young, proven, and still on their rookie contracts.

    But I like you’re trade proposal. If it only takes Bradford and two 1st round picks, I wouldn’t even blink. Make that trade.

  68. 68 GEAGLE said at 10:29 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    I think you can trade players, but I assume you would have to give the team permission to work out a deal with the players agent and try to extend him before completing the trade.. Don’t see why anyone would accept expiring contracts in return with no guarantee you can keep a player past the franchise Tag.. And if you have to pay a player more then anyone to get him to stay you can just make him the highest offer when he becomes a free agent next year, no reason to give up the chance to draft a kid like Leonard Williams who you will have on a rookie contract for 5 years

  69. 69 Alistair Middlemiss said at 9:34 AM on April 29th, 2015: has just converted me to Mariota trade:

    Your score is: 7532 (GRADE: A)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 6 (NYJ): Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon (A+)
    Round 2 Pick 14 (S.F.): T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh (A+)
    Round 2 Pick 30 (G.B.): Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami (Fla.) (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 7 (CHI): Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 9 (ATL): Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 26 (BALT): Jay Ajayi, RB, Boise State (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 30 (G.B.): Clive Walford, TE, Miami (Fla.) (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 23 (BALT): James Sample, SS, Louisville (A)
    Round 4 Pick 26 (BALT): Tony Lippett, WR/CB, Michigan State (B+)

    Process was easy – trade entire 2015 draft for No.2

    Trade Bradford for 19 – (did this by offering 2016/17 first on first pick since you cannot trade players)

    Then just trade down and collect this very reasonable hall of trade down picks lol.

    No future sacrificed at all.


  70. 70 eagleyankfan said at 9:35 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    LOL. Marcus-Mania is going crazy…

  71. 71 Alistair Middlemiss said at 9:36 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    #ESP already has my scenario up on because it is the most realistic and fact based Mariota scenario this week.

  72. 72 eagleyankfan said at 9:40 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    well, if it’s there, then it’s definitely happening. I just ordered my MM jersey.

  73. 73 GEAGLE said at 9:50 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Dude at a Phillies game was spotted with a #11 eagles Tebow jersey smh

  74. 74 eagleyankfan said at 9:51 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    stop it!!! LMFAO. No way…

  75. 75 GEAGLE said at 9:59 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Dead serious.. There is a pick going around of it, I couldn’t believe it. What a dork

  76. 76 James said at 9:55 AM on April 29th, 2015:


  77. 77 GEAGLE said at 10:02 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Suggest checking out the Gruden QB special with kiper.. Really entertaining stuff. Gruden was so funny. Dude is nuts… He thinks Kevin Johnson and trae are too soft to be top corners, they will get killed with bubble screens and run support. Chucks Loves the 5″10 DJ Smith CB from Florida atlantic, says he will be one of the most well rounded corners from this draft … A lot of really good draft stuff but it was also pretty funny

  78. 78 Tdoteaglefan said at 10:34 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    lol, I’ve gotta see that

  79. 79 James said at 10:35 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    It was funny and original, caught 30 min of it last night. Wish they would do more stuff like this.

  80. 80 GEAGLE said at 10:26 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Sal pal reports that the Eagles, Chargers and a 3rd team are making offers for MM… Chips boy Alioti told phronix radio last night that chip is still trying to get MM… Whether there is any truth to this, who knows.. Fortunately the speculation ends soon

  81. 81 mksp said at 10:55 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    *Posts rant about being tired of hearing about Mariota*

    *Posts rant about stupid fanboys talking about trading for Mariota*

    *Posts rant about stupid media talking about Mariota*

    *Posts rant about how this board is stupid for talking about Mariota*

    *Posts rant that has nothing to do with football, but still complains about Mariota*

  82. 82 Bert's Bells said at 10:57 AM on April 29th, 2015:


  83. 83 George said at 11:25 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    just dont incest too much on mariota

  84. 84 mksp said at 10:46 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Benjamin Allbright ‏@AllbrightNFL 26m26 minutes ago
    Draft shaping up to have Mariota fall. Could fall right into teens. Most teams don’t have him in their top 15-20.

  85. 85 James said at 10:48 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    That would be so hot if he fell. Hard to imagine him getting past the Jets tho

  86. 86 mksp said at 10:50 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Its so strange, I normally wouldn’t bother posting something like this, but Albright is as connected as anyone on Twitter. Called the Foles trade a month in advance.

  87. 87 James said at 10:53 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    True, does seem like there is truth to this. Both Jets and Browns would probably get in the way though. Would be perfect if he fell to 12 and we traded Bradford straight up for 12 and picked Mariota

  88. 88 RC5000 said at 12:26 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    New York would be horrible…Chan Gailey offense would be bad match also.

  89. 89 wee2424 said at 1:40 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    If he does expect other teams to try and trade up as well. Driving up the price.

  90. 90 cliff-Wolff of Broad Street said at 11:05 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    cant see eags having assets to move in top5-7, plus those teams moving all the way to #20 seems like a lot. Falcons at #8 i’m perking up. they have all the reason in the world to trade back. if it still doesnt happen there, have to sit for 1 pick, NYG would never give Eags a QB. if Mariota gets to 10 STL/11Minne/12CLe, it’s full game on, think kelly is going bananas and will move heaven and earth to get it done.

  91. 91 peteike said at 11:16 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    with all the recent rumors claiming hes trying, Im starting to think hes willing to sell the house to get it done. Multiple 1sts, risk future territory

  92. 92 cliff-Wolff of Broad Street said at 11:21 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    if that’s the plan, should have used Bradford’s 13m on couple solid NFL starting quality players and extended MK and Curry.

  93. 93 peteike said at 12:04 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    its still possible hes trying to use Bradford as a tool to move up but knowing it may not work.

  94. 94 oreofestar said at 11:07 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    If that is the case and he’s available after 6 do you think the Browns still have interest in 19 for Bradford or do they go try and get Mariota for themselves?

  95. 95 Avery Greene said at 11:57 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Why not see if he falls to 19? Trade Bradford for #19 + whatever other compensation they’ll give. At that point we’re in the driver seat.

  96. 96 FairOaks said at 3:50 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    If he falls that far, we may as well move up a couple spots for far cheaper and keep Bradford while getting Mariota too.

  97. 97 the DONALD said at 11:15 AM on April 29th, 2015:


  98. 98 NinjaP said at 11:42 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Well no one should if they don’t over value position.

  99. 99 Jason said at 11:07 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Love the Glowinski tape above.

    In regards to Bradford’s posturing about being unwilling to sign an extension with Cleveland, Jimmy Kempski made good point that Shady wasn’t happy with being traded to Buffalo, but he agreed to extension. Bradford’s communication doesn’t end his trade value.

    I would add that by all reports Cleveland offered their #19 first rounder to St. Louis obviously without an agreement for Bradford to extend.

    Bradford could still be part of a package to move up.

  100. 100 peteike said at 11:12 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Would they consider Gregory if he was there at 20 or is he more of a 4-3 fit?

  101. 101 Alistair Middlemiss said at 11:20 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    If they are happy with his drug dependency issues then he is a steal for us at 20. That is a the big question.

  102. 102 anon said at 11:49 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    we were about to trade for Dion after 2 suspensions now my zero tolerance expectation when it comes to CK is gone.

  103. 103 wee2424 said at 1:38 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I’m just going to assume that was because Chip knows him and figured he could help turn him around, on and off the field. He didn’t have any character issues in college. This was a special situation.

  104. 104 FairOaks said at 3:49 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I think we were ready to trade a low draft pick for Jordan. You’re not risking too much there. If Gregory is still there in the 6th round he’d be worth the risk too. #20 overall is a completely different situation.

  105. 105 BreakinAnklez said at 11:23 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Due to recent events and his inability to stop smoking weed…I doubt it.

  106. 106 peteike said at 12:05 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    ya, assumed per culture fit no, but maybe that changes with a high pick that drops. Doubt it though, was more interested in if he fits 3-4 at all. Probably wont matter

  107. 107 HawaiianEagle said at 11:48 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    Maximus, I mean Chip sits atop the Link and shouts “Are you not entertained!”

  108. 108 Avery Greene said at 11:53 AM on April 29th, 2015:

    I know someone who wants to come to Philly. He retweeted this, but it doesn’t show up here.

    @uconnfbfacts @Byron16Jump @nfl #BleedBlue #Work2Win Eagles at #20…— epark88 (@epark88) April 29, 2015

  109. 109 BreakinAnklez said at 12:14 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Apologies if this was already posted…

  110. 110 Corry said at 12:37 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Browns have offered their 2 first round picks to the Titans according to Mariota TV…I mean ESPN.

  111. 111 Greg Richards said at 12:40 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Yeah, they’re acting as if this is breaking news but it was reported a couple of days ago that they were willing to give up both 1sts but TEN wanted their 2nd too and CLE said no.

  112. 112 peteike said at 12:44 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    oh really, didnt know this. Rumors coming fast today

  113. 113 RC5000 said at 12:46 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Mariotazzzzzzz can force his way here then!

  114. 114 wee2424 said at 1:36 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Lol Mariota TV. That’s ESPN ocho right?

  115. 115 Cafone said at 12:38 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Let’s say the Dolphins offer Dion Jordan straight up for Marcus Smith II… would you do the deal?

  116. 116 oreofestar said at 12:38 PM on April 29th, 2015:


  117. 117 Cafone said at 2:17 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I’m glad to see so many people hoping on the Marcus Smith II bandwagon!

  118. 118 GermanEagle said at 12:39 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Can we please stop with the Dion Jordan talk. He’s as thick as a brick.

  119. 119 wee2424 said at 1:35 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I assumed the trade talk would stop when he was suspended. Apparently not.

  120. 120 Corry said at 12:40 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Marcus Smith may end up a bust but at least he can play this year. So…no.

  121. 121 wee2424 said at 1:34 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    No. At least Smith is allowed to play. You realize Jordan is suspended for all of 2015 right? Not to mention Smith has only been in the league for one year. You are giving up on him that fast for someone that has showed they are a bust for 2 seasons now?

  122. 122 Avery Greene said at 1:39 PM on April 29th, 2015:

  123. 123 eagleyankfan said at 2:07 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    This is a great idea. Let’s grab someone who is suspended and immature for a body that might still have some promise. Must be a full moon or something…

  124. 124 botto said at 12:43 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    one thing about getting MM is that we can then focus from here on out on the rest of the team, it won’t be a qb talk every year. which is nice.

  125. 125 oreofestar said at 12:44 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    The Browns seem too thirsty/stupid I think he’s theirs

  126. 126 botto said at 12:49 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    sounds like it

  127. 127 RC5000 said at 12:53 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    They do love to take QBs!

  128. 128 oreofestar said at 12:53 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    This would be their 3rd first round QB since 2012

  129. 129 Greg Richards said at 12:44 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Unless Mariota goes in the tank like a good percentage of highly drafted QBs.

  130. 130 botto said at 12:49 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    but we know his best chance is with chip, so we have that going for us

  131. 131 Greg Richards said at 12:52 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Maybe, but when people talk about the risk/reward of moving up they talk as if it’s a lock that Mariota will be a franchise QB and therefore you should give up whatever it takes.

  132. 132 botto said at 12:56 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    good news is we already have a qb that can be really good with chip.

  133. 133 Avery Greene said at 1:01 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I really believe CK can make any QB good. Sanchez set a franchise record and he’s not even that good. Vick IMO looked best under CK, and he’s a train wreck.

    TBH I like Bradford and would like to see what CK can do with him.

  134. 134 botto said at 1:03 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    yeah me too. Bradford all day.

  135. 135 wee2424 said at 1:32 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Agree, I think if healthy Bradford can be a better QB then MM. Chip may be able to improve QBs, but as we saw with Sanchez, just because the QB improves does not make him good enough.

  136. 136 wee2424 said at 1:28 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Absolutely right. It seems as though people just assume if we get him he will be great for us. There is no guarantee of that. Look at the history of first round pick QBs. It’s not that good. Furthermore he better be more then just good because you gave up a good QB to get him plus high picks. There have been alot higher rated QB prospects then him that have failed at the NFL level. It’s all such a huge gamble that can more easily then not ruin this franchise for years.

  137. 137 anon said at 1:55 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    27/2 didn’t stop the foles talk

  138. 138 bwin29 said at 12:44 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Here we go…

  139. 139 oreofestar said at 12:45 PM on April 29th, 2015:


  140. 140 bwin29 said at 12:47 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Not sure what the ?? is in reference to.

  141. 141 eagleyankfan said at 2:08 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    the are asking, politely — wtf do you mean with “Here we go” ….

  142. 142 bwin29 said at 2:14 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Banner is connected, has no horse in the race, and has been skeptical about the reality of this type of move taking place in the past.

    “Here we go” = Banner weighing in like this gives lends credence that this may have more of a chance to come to fruition than some think, and I would expect some of the more doubtful Eagles fans might start to think this is a possibility as a result.

  143. 143 eagleyankfan said at 2:15 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    ahhhh — thanks.

  144. 144 bwin29 said at 2:17 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I also think it means he has heard from someone that Chip is serious about this.

  145. 145 Greg Richards said at 12:46 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    John Middlekauff

    2m2 minutes ago

    John Middlekauff retweeted NFL on ESPN

    Heard Tennesse wants Both 1’s, a 2 & next years 1

    John Middlekauff added,

    NFL on ESPN


    WOW! – CLE offers two 1st-round picks to TEN for No. 2 overall selection in Draft where they would take Marcus Mariota.
    (via @PatMcManamon)

  146. 146 Avery Greene said at 12:46 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Thanks Dan Snyder, ruining it for the rest of us.

  147. 147 Greg Richards said at 12:46 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Yeah, TEN is delusional. If they that Mariota is worth all that, let them take him.

  148. 148 RC5000 said at 12:49 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    We will end up with him soon anyway if he goes to Browns it’s not over!

  149. 149 GermanEagle said at 12:49 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Heard Tennesse wants Both 1’s, a 2 & next years 1

    In Eagles language: #20 + Cox [1st] + Mychal Kendricks [2nd] + 1st in 2016.

    Would you do it?

  150. 150 oreofestar said at 12:49 PM on April 29th, 2015:


  151. 151 GermanEagle said at 12:53 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Thanks. I wouldn’t do it either!

  152. 152 Greg Richards said at 12:50 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    No, I’ll give them Bradford instead of Cox.

  153. 153 GermanEagle said at 12:53 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Don’t think Bradford has a higher value to the Titans than Cox.

  154. 154 oreofestar said at 12:51 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Titans are bluffing so hard, if b Cleveland offered both firsts they aren’t getting q better offer

  155. 155 GEAGLE said at 2:48 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Not true

  156. 156 Greg Richards said at 12:53 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Season of misinformation:

    Brandon Lee Gowton

    3m3 minutes ago

    Brandon Lee Gowton retweeted Paul Kuharsky

    @BrandonGowton And here you go:

    Brandon Lee Gowton added,

    Paul Kuharsky


    #Titans source: #Browns have not made an offer for No. 2.

  157. 157 oreofestar said at 12:55 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Titans want out of this pick bad but it’s not worth as much as they hoped,

  158. 158 Avery Greene said at 12:59 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Desperation. Teams can smell it and will wait them out. Why give up a king’s ransom when you know they’re desperate to sell. Other teams right now are like pawn shops and Tennessee is anxious to get whatever they can.

  159. 159 GEAGLE said at 2:47 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    They are actually calling teams trying to trade it,

  160. 160 RC5000 said at 12:58 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    did Gowton say something? ‘Brandon Lee Gowton added’,confused why you have him in the post is all

  161. 161 Greg Richards said at 1:29 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    He just quoted the other person’s post. It’s the way it’s copied when you cut and paste from twitter to here.

  162. 162 oreofestar said at 12:58 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I’m going to be a nervous wreck tomorrow, no clue what will happen

  163. 163 Insomniac said at 1:03 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    We’ll be here to hold your hands and guide you into the fire.

  164. 164 peteike said at 1:10 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    really. Im getting ready for the most unfufilling non sporting, sporting event. Once that pick passes and you read everything you already mostly knew about the pick, its wait another day. Such a letdown after months of talk. I do love the whole weekend though and maybe Kelly makes it special. One can hope

  165. 165 Avery Greene said at 1:04 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Everybody remember that people wanted Polian to be our GM guy, yet I think the Titans front office looks like they are panicking going into draft day.

  166. 166 Greg Richards said at 1:29 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Polian works for Jacksonville.

  167. 167 Avery Greene said at 1:32 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Isn’t the one who works there the one from Indy?

    Rather, how many of them are there?

  168. 168 Avery Greene said at 1:18 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Okay everyone, this is my best attempt at @ACViking’s history. The Eagles pick #20. The history of this pick in the past?

    1982 – Mike Quick WR

    So if we do the same, is it Perriman, Strong, or Agholor? Anyways thought it’d be good to look back on any previous pick 20s.

    Edit: Wikipedia link for 1st round history of Eagles picks

  169. 169 MattE said at 1:26 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Shots Fired: CLEVELAND OFFERS #12 & #19 overall for #2?

  170. 170 the DONALD said at 1:27 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    did the shots fire that down REAL FAST? or are they mulling it over?

  171. 171 MattE said at 1:28 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    TENN denied discussion.

  172. 172 the DONALD said at 1:32 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    figured.. so thats way low.. thanks for the update!

  173. 173 GEAGLE said at 2:46 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Not true. This us a one month old deal leaked by Titans to draw up interest. Browns are out of Mariota running

  174. 174 the DONALD said at 3:13 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    thats pretty NEAT!

  175. 175 GEAGLE said at 4:40 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    For now… Things can change quickly tho,.. The full story is the Browns offered the two 1st round picks a month ago, Titans said no and told the browns they had to throw in their 2nd round pick, and the Browns said no, and the Browns have since “moved on to targeting other QBs” and the Browns NOWm ant Danny Shelton and A WR with their first two picks
    Titans are bluffing leaking a month old offer that already died, and they are actually calling other teams trying to sell the pick… That tells you yhere ISNT as big of a market at the moment for that #2 pick as the Titans would do like everyone to think……mthen again ts all bulshit anyway because the Titans are sold on Mettenberger and are trying to hide it Til after the draft

  176. 176 the DONALD said at 4:52 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    sounds like a fun night tomorrow! who the heck knows what will happen… id guess that not even the CHIPOWITZ knows at this point.. POSTURE POSTURE POSTURE…

  177. 177 GEAGLE said at 5:00 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Madness for sure…. I honestly don’t care what chip does with any of his picks. Personally I want Bradflrd and Bryce Petty, and use the rest of the picks to build the team… But I’m fine with chip doing whatever he wants with his draft pick… I just am not ok with trading away defenders.
    chip said we had too much invested in the offense and not enough in the defense and it showed on the field, and we are trying to fix that this offseason…he wasn’t asked about it, he didn’t have to lie about it… He offered up that viewpoint of his…. So two months later you don’t get to tell me you traded away the best young defenders this city had since Dwk and Trot, for a prospect, ANY PROSPEC, especially one on Offense..
    You want to trade players for Marriota? Fine.. Trade Lane Johnson, Zack Ertzm Jordan Mathews, and Josh Huff for your QB… Under NO circumstance am I ok with trading our best young defenders for a QB…. And My bet is chip agrees…
    Keep your players, trade away as many picks as you want for all I care, I’m good to go to war with the team we have in place

  178. 178 OregonDucker said at 1:32 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Consider the following: Eagles call Jets and offer Bradford, Boykin, and #20 plus 2016 #1; then Eagles offer the Titans 2015 #6 and Curry or Cox plus Kendricks.

    Moving to #6 beats any Browns offer.

  179. 179 Mitchell said at 1:35 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    It would be nice if MM just dropped more than anyone expects in the first place.

  180. 180 MattE said at 1:35 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    plus the 2nd that we gave up for Bradford. I’d still do it.

  181. 181 botto said at 1:37 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    sounds like a mortgage on the future

  182. 182 MattE said at 1:38 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I only see the year 2016 mentioned…. doesn’t sound like a 30 year mortgage…. i want a f*ckin franchise QB and this is our best foreseen shot within the next few years.

  183. 183 eagleyankfan said at 1:58 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Here are some problems with that type of thinking. MM is no Luck. There’s no guarantee he’ll amount to anything. MM(arguably) the best of an “ok” bunch. At best, IF MM is any good, you’re looking at a 3 year plan for him to be remotely effective. How long are the contracts for the new guys just signed and how much longer is Peters here? Do you tell all those guys, hey, it’s great to have you, but we’re not throwing a worth while QB out there for the next couple of years? I would imagine, a sales pitch to free agents starts with “we’re looking to win this thing in the next year or 2”.
    I believe CK when he said .. Bradford is not a bargaining Chip. While injury is a concern — he’s a well above QB. In Chips system – he might be a top 4/5/6 QB. So, who isn’t Bradford a franchise QB?

  184. 184 OregonDucker said at 2:47 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Respect your opinion eagleyankfan, but not surprisingly disagree. Luck’s Stanford coach puts MM between Luck and RG3 in talent and football IQ; maybe even better than Luck with football IQ. One of the draft pundits, maybe Mayock, puts MM at the top of the draft.

    Remember RG3 had a killer rookie season prior to injury. MM is much better than RG3.

  185. 185 MattE said at 2:54 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Another angle….
    1) I think if Luck would have been even a remote possibility for the 49er’s when he came in then Harbaugh would have sold the farm for him (but with Manning leaving Indy and the 49ers having a half decent roster then and having success, Luck was out of the picture). 2) We DO NOT HAVE the roster that Harbaugh inherited from an inept Singletary, thus lending us closer to a non-contender than a real contender with a lot of question marks on the roster…. would we have said the same thing about Harbaugh if he got Luck? In my opinion if Luck would have ended up with Harbaugh in SF then they would have a Superbowl and Harbaugh would still be there…. inherently QB’s taken that high come into situations that are less than ideal anyway so asking a rookie QB so deliver often fails…. UNLESS you either have the correct situation (Philly) or the correct prospect (Luck).

  186. 186 MattE said at 2:56 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    At the end of the day draftee’s ARE ALL PROSPECTS WITH UPSIDE (including Luck&Elway), if Elway actually ended up with the Colt’s what are the chances he would have succeeded with Sr. Irsay?

  187. 187 eagleyankfan said at 3:10 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    As always, I bow to your knowledge. I’ve read so much on MM that every opinion has been all over the charts. I don’t go by everything I read but I try and figure out the bits and pieces.
    For example: Luck was never questioned nor ever thought out of the number pick. Chants were – “suck for Luck” while the nfl season was being played. MM is rumored anywhere from pick one to falling out of the top 10. There were no chants for MM(lol). That’s where I say — MM is obviously(to me) not Luck. IF he was, there’s no question, that TB would take him. (again, that’s just me).
    That’s where I say – Bradford — was pretty highly thought of too coming out of college. Where would Stanfords coach rate Bradford? Bradford — could be(like I mentioned above) a top QB – could border elite. Do you move all those pieces(whether players and/or picks) to get MM?
    If you say MM is better than RG3 – then WOW. I’ll take your word for it. If I’m taking bits and pieces from what(respected) people say – you’re rating MM head and shoulders above Bradford?

  188. 188 OregonDucker said at 7:17 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    eaglesyankfan – I think you may have misread my post. David Shaw, Luck’s Stanford coach, thinks MM is between Luck and RG3. Personally, I like him better than both because of the fit with Chip. I saw them play against each other and while they split the wins, MM looked much better.

    I realize I am in the minority on such a comparison but I’ve seen both and that’s my opinion, homerism and Duck bias included.

    Ragarding a Bradford comparison, I believe Bradford is better with tight windows and arm strength. I believe MM is better with football IQ. Whether MM’s performance transfers to reading an NFL defense is something we just have to see. I hope so.

  189. 189 GEAGLE said at 4:24 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    SAM Bradford is a franchise QB and will be 100% healthy in 3 months..he will already be off to the side throwing in mini camp
    Draft Byrce Petty to grow behind bradford

  190. 190 eagleyankfan said at 2:10 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    All that for White?

  191. 191 GEAGLE said at 2:44 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Browns offer isn’t real. It’s a vullshit smoke screen from a month ago. Browns are out of Mareiota running. Titans leaked their one month old offer to drum up interest. Titans don’t want Marriota. Titans are actually calling teams trying to trade the pick. I was told to watch out for chip and John fox deal

  192. 192 OregonDucker said at 2:50 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Yep, that’s what I’m hearing. Titans are no longer arrogant jerks but at the pawn shop trying to sell some merchandise. Chip’s got his hands on his hips, saying “my offer is firm” – no higher.

  193. 193 Avery Greene said at 1:36 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Looking at a basis for trade – here’s the draft trade chart from nbcsports:

    Jacksonville has #1
    3000 – #1

    Cleveland is offering:
    1200 – #12
    875 – #19

    So they’d need roughly 925 points to make this work.
    You could get 390 for their 2nd, but still need to make up another 600 points. Thinking they’d have to throw in next year’s #1 as well to make this work.

  194. 194 MattE said at 1:38 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I dunno…. since they re-did the rookie pay scale I feel it has changed a bit in regards to risk, value may be the same.

  195. 195 botto said at 1:49 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    maybe Kelly is thinking if I can geta rookie contract qb to be a starter, like MM, we would have so much more money to spend on the rest of the team.
    this makes sense!

  196. 196 Flying B-Dawk said at 2:15 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I have to say I feel pretty good about whatever happens with Mariota on Thursday. If there’s one person in the entire NFL that knows how good of a pro Mariota could be, it’s Chip. I’ve felt that whatever the Eagles did regarding Mariota would be very telling as to what kind of talent the kid has.
    Think of it this way, if Mariota is anything remotely like Peyton Manning, as Chip once said, does a price even exist that’s too high? If we KNEW we were getting a Peyton, Aaron Rodgers, etc., I would GLADLY give up 5 #1 picks. Getting a franchise QB is that important.
    If Chip doesn’t feel that highly about him, and the compensation is too much, then I really do think he’ll pass on him and roll with Bradford. Either way, we are the only team in the entire league that has inside info on what his real value is.

  197. 197 Sporran said at 2:20 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Young QB’s need support to reach their full potential. Peyton doesn’t become Peyton without Marvin Harrison, Edgerin James, and Reggie Wayne. I don’t want Mariota developing bad habits because he feels he needs to compensate for a lack of talent around him.

  198. 198 Flying B-Dawk said at 2:41 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    The most common expensive trade rumors out there have us losing Bradford, Cox, Kendricks, and an additional 1st on top of our #20 pick. Kendricks is gone after this contract anyway, IMO. Bradford is unnecessary if we have Mariota. Our first rounders over the past decade has more busts than even serviceable players, so I don’t really care about losing one first rounder.
    I’d hate to see Cox go, but if that’s what it takes, I don’t think it sets the whole team back.

  199. 199 Sporran said at 2:49 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    “Our first rounders over the past decade has more busts than serviceable players.”

    Sure! Let’s trade away the best first-round pick we’ve had in the past decade! For another first-round pick! We have a great track-record with those!

    Snark aside, I think trading Cox sets the defense back a ton. Barwin doesn’t have nearly as many sacks without Cox on the line. With no pass rush, everything else on Defense falls apart.

  200. 200 MattE said at 2:47 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    DeMarco Murray? Rookie QB’s best friend is a strong running attack (and a good defense, but that is still up in the air).

  201. 201 Sporran said at 2:50 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    And who else? Also, we need to get younger on the o-line. Otherwise, both Murray and Mariota get killed.

  202. 202 MattE said at 2:59 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    D/O-lines are always a concern for every team because football is won in the trenches, but they are also a 5 man unit that are never perfect and much more attainable.

  203. 203 Sporran said at 3:15 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    5-man unit means 5 times as many draft-picks / FA’s to get right. It means we need more picks, not less.

  204. 204 MattE said at 3:58 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Right, but a good QB can also take pressure off a OL. Sorry man but no team has an ideal player at every position, it’s a little give and take and not an exact science…. if you want to say we could get younger/more depth at every position then I agree, but is every position important as the next, no…. IMO the O-Line impressed me last year with being able to cobble together a 10-6 season…. plus our O-Line is a particular unit that doesn’t need exact measurable’s from Chip, they just need to be ex-QB’s and athletic lol.

  205. 205 Sporran said at 4:48 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Right now, Mariota is not a good NFL QB. He might become one, if he develops the right skills and habits. That is why we need the right support system around him. If we trade away good players, he won’t have that support — and the chances get even higher that he busts.

    Oh, yeah, if the OL falls apart, the chances that he gets hurt increase a lot, too. There’s a reason why RGIII hasn’t worked out in Washington — and it’s not a lack of talent on his part.

  206. 206 ACViking said at 2:34 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    If Mariota had hired Marvin Demoff as his agent, all he — Demoff — would need to say to get MM to Philadelphia is:

    “Marcus will not play for Tampa, TN, Washington, Cleveland, St. Louis, NYJ, Chicago — and I’ve so advised those teams.

    “And if you don’t believe me, remember my 1983 client John Elway?

    “Marcus is ready to sit out the season if he has to.”

    But we’ve not heard anything like that from Mariota’s actual agent — who’s clearly no Marvin Demoff, that’s for sure (take a look at the client list).

    On the other hand, Bradford’s agent — Tom “Scott Boras” Condon — may be playing big-time hardball.

    I’m assuming he’s put out the word that Bradford won’t go to Cleveland — and likely a bunch of other teams, like Tampa and TN — and will only do an extension with the Eagles . . . even though the Eagles have ZERO context for offering him anything beyond the veteran’s minimum.

    What do those seemingly contrary approaches suggest:

    1. Silence from Mariota’s camp reflects concern that he really isn’t highly regarded by most teams — so he’s in no position to demand anything when it’s possible some team will take him very high and make him very wealthy.

    2. Rumblings from Bradford’s camp reflect (as Jimmy Kempski wrote) that the Eagles are trying to make a move involving Bradford to get Mariota — and Bradford really doesn’t want to spend a contract year in Tampa or TN . . .

    Or with any team other than the Eagles, because — if Bradford can actually last 14 or so games — he’ll post 35+ TDs 15- INTs and 4500 yards.

    Of course, there’s always the possibility that Kelly acquired Bradford to be the Eagles starter in 2015.

    Odd, though, that Kelly — or Marynowitz at his presser — hasn’t come out and said that in the past couple weeks to put all these stories to rest.

  207. 207 MattE said at 2:48 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Just watched Elway to Marino again last night…. Elway had leverage though… The Yankees.

  208. 208 anon said at 2:50 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    yeah see Wilson’s strategy with SEA.

  209. 209 MattE said at 3:01 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    he could threaten to play in Canada…. unfortunately he doesn’t seem like he has that kind of personality :-/

  210. 210 MattE said at 3:01 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    …..or Now starting QB for your Philadelphia……….Soul?

  211. 211 ACViking said at 3:13 PM on April 29th, 2015:


    That’s why I wrote that MM’s only threat is, “I’ll wait ’til next year.”

    In theory, he could spend a year in Canada.

    But these days, the CFL’s pretty sensitive about stepping on the NFL’s toes.

    Back during the Vietnam war, the CFL was a real option for NFL draftees.

    In fact, the Birds’ 2nd Rd pick in 1972 — OT Dan Yochum — went to the CFL over the Eagles. Money was the problem.

  212. 212 Baloophi said at 3:16 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Are you implying that if we quickly send some “military advisors” over to Vietnam we could eventually sneak MM back into the States via the Keystone pipeline?

    On. Board.

  213. 213 ACViking said at 3:20 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Baloophi . . . excellent mix of historical tactics.

  214. 214 Baloophi said at 3:25 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Unfortunately – due to “recreational experimentation” in my youth – all of my historical knowledge is mixed. The only think I know for a fact is that Columbus discovered electricity while penning the Gettysburg address at Little Big Horn.

  215. 215 OregonDucker said at 3:35 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Well, at least here you got your facts straight.

  216. 216 ACViking said at 3:38 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Inhaling in defense of liberty is no vice.

    Moderation when it comes to inhaling is no virtue.

  217. 217 MattE said at 2:48 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    How did Eli get out of San Diego?

  218. 218 Avery Greene said at 2:53 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Said he wouldn’t play for them, so NYG traded up like 3 spots to get him. Something like that.

  219. 219 unhinged said at 5:12 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Giants picked 4th and selected Rivers, having already worked out an arrangement w/Chargers. Rivers and picks to SD for Manning. In the Life Is Full Of Ironies folder: Giants traded away a superior QB plus picks and managed to get to two SB’s, and win both against this era’s dynasty. Where is the justice?

  220. 220 OregonDucker said at 2:53 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Bradford may play for the Jets?

  221. 221 Avery Greene said at 2:54 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Interesting analysis. So do you think Mariota will drop or someone will go up to get him?

  222. 222 Avery Greene said at 3:53 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    As the resident historian here:

    Something I was thinking about in a meeting I was just in (which has nothing to do with the meeting). How many QBs besides Elway and Manning have said they weren’t going to play for a team at the top of the draft?

  223. 223 Baloophi said at 3:56 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I gather it was an exciting meeting…?

  224. 224 Avery Greene said at 3:57 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    LOL – pretty much.

  225. 225 ACViking said at 4:35 PM on April 29th, 2015:


    During the brief period when the AFL competed with the NFL for talent (1960-66), you had a handful of players who “refused” to play for the AFL — but not the NFL.

    Since the common draft started in 1967, 1st Rd picks lined up to play in the NFL . . . until 1980.

    That’s when Penn State All American DT Bruce Clark — 4th overall — refused to sign with the Packers and jumped to the CFL. Clark signed with the Saints in 1982.

    Next up was Elway in 1983, who forced his way out of being a Baltimore Colt.

    And Jim Kelly, the 14th overall pick in ’83 by Buffalo, jumped to the USFL — but, according to the documentary on the 1983 draft, Kelly would have signed with the Bills if he didn’t have another option.

    In 1986, two 1st Rd picks refused to play for the team that picked them.

    You had top pick Bo Jackson by Tampa (story well known).

    And #3 overall Jim Everett, QB from Purdue, by the Oilers. Everett — like Elway — forced a trade from the Oilers to the Rams. The Oilers held onto Everett until after Week 2 of the ’86 season . . . finally trading him for Pro Bowl OG Kent Hill, DE William Fuller, and TWO 1st Rd picks.

    TRIVIA: Who was Everett’s agent — who warned the Oilers not to select his client unless they were willing to give him the richest QB contract in NFL history? MARVIN DEMOFF — the same guy who represented Elway. (Don’t F*** w/ Mahvin!)

    In 1987, the Cardinals selected QB Kelly Stouffer, Colo St, 6th overall. But Stouffer refused to sign — and spent all of 1987 out of football.

    A week before the 1988 draft — when Stouffer would have been back in the pool — Seattle traded All Pro S Kenny Easley to the Cards for the rights to Stouffer. On the eve of the draft ’88, Easley failed his physical — so Seattle sent the Cards their 1989 1st plus a pair of 5th rounders (’88, ’89).

    The last 1st Rd pick who comes to mind is Eli Manning in 2004. Before the draft, his father apparently warned Chargers GM A.J. Smith not to choose Manning.

    But Smith knew the Giants’ GM Ernie Accorsi — who was the Colts GM in ’83 when they selected, and owner Bob Irsay, traded Elway — was hot for Manning.

    So the Chargers chose Manning at #1, the Giants chose Rivers at #4, and they swapped picks — with the Giants throwing in a 3rd Rd pick in ’04 plus a 1st and 5th in ’05.

    Giants paid a big price — and won 2 SBs.

  226. 226 anon said at 2:49 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Martellus Bennett on the block.

  227. 227 GermanEagle said at 2:53 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    What if the Eagles end up with Mariota AND Amari Cooper?!

    How is that even possible. Here’s how it would work out:

    Eagles trade #20, Fetcher Cox, Mychal Kendricks and their 1st in 2016 to the Titans for #2.

    Eagles trade Sam Bradford to Cleveland for their #12.


  228. 228 OregonDucker said at 2:54 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Nothing, and I mean nothing, would surprise me with Chip and Mayo cutting deals.

  229. 229 the DONALD said at 2:57 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    we call em CHIPOWITZ… OD can you stand the wait!! i cant.. im pumped

  230. 230 botto said at 3:01 PM on April 29th, 2015:


  231. 231 OregonDucker said at 3:02 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Must protect the TV screen somehow. Things could get ugly fast.

  232. 232 MattE said at 3:02 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    hahaha, not as bad as Seahawk’s fans TV’s last year.

  233. 233 GermanEagle said at 2:58 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    At first I thought round 1 would be over for me at 8.10pm if the Eagles get Mariota. But if Bradford is not included in the deal I might very well stay up and keep drinking!!!

  234. 234 OregonDucker said at 3:00 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I’ll be passed out on the floor with a PBR in one hand, an empty shot in the other, and a smoking pipe nearby.

  235. 235 Greg Richards said at 4:08 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Amari Cooper isn’t lasting until pick 12.

  236. 236 GermanEagle said at 5:00 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Maybe. Maybe not. Your guess is as good as mine.

  237. 237 Red Neck said at 5:58 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    In this Scenario, I think the top OL at 12 would make me happy.

  238. 238 OregonDucker said at 3:06 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    IMHO we need to keep an eye on Jets, Raiders, Titans for Eagles MM deals.

  239. 239 eagleyankfan said at 3:12 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Are you saying, if Titans can’t strike a trade and pick 2nd, they will not be taking MM?

  240. 240 GEAGLE said at 3:24 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Guaranteed the Titans don’t want him

  241. 241 botto said at 3:28 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I thought mettinberger was pretty ok. big guy, good arm, etc…

  242. 242 GEAGLE said at 3:30 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    They are sold on Mettenberger and trying to hide it TIL after the draft… Yesterday the GMS basically had an open convo with the media that was asking questions as if they already drafted Marcus and the GMS was happy to play along which means, NO SHOT IN HELL Titans draft MM

  243. 243 GermanEagle said at 5:00 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Plus he looks like Ashton Kutscher!

  244. 244 OregonDucker said at 3:29 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Yes, no MM to Titans. They need a pass rusher. Williams is not nearly the sure thing Curry or Cox are. Plus they want high picks. They have been really greedy. Now they are starting to worry.

  245. 245 eagleyankfan said at 7:12 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Gotcha… Their asking price should drop some…

  246. 246 GEAGLE said at 3:28 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Interesting that chip commissioned a study to find out what it takes to get Marriota a few months ago and the consensus was we needed to get up to #5

    Titans are calling teams offering the pick, and they are lying about the Browns offer to try and build the value.. That Browns offer was a month old, Briwns as of now are out of Marriota bidding and focusing on Danny Shelton and a WR
    Skins and the Jets don’t want Marriota,,,

    Thats as far as I know….. Eagles arent trading Up to #2 because they wont have to, unless Titans accept some lowball offer that is less then people anticipate

    And watch for some trade with the Bears, but I have no idea if it’s a first round trade or some other trade

  247. 247 James said at 3:44 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    You have so much faith in gimp, that you wouldnt take Mariota?

  248. 248 GEAGLE said at 3:48 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Gimp? As in a QB who was injured twice? A pocket passer? Yes I think his knee is strong enough to take a 3 step drop, or roll out take 4 steps and Throw….., he is a pocket passer dude. If Marriota gets hit flush in his knee, his knee will snap too….. I have more faith in “gimp” being healthy to be a pocket passer then any of the other injured players playing positions like WR, LB, CB, S…

    Believ it or not Bradford is the more talented QB… I’d take MM, but I dont believe anyone in the top 9 wants him, so I don’t want to see us get treated like Amatuers and get fleeced
    I’m sure you are thrilled about Kiko, but worry about Sam? when a Knee is much tougher to recover for a LB instead of pocket QB.. Maclin was more at risk then a pocket passer and Maclin recovered fine enough to earn more then 10mil a year

  249. 249 James said at 3:54 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    He has missed 38.75% games in 5 years. Would you call that gimp? No doubt he has talent, but you’d be delusional to take him over Mariota

  250. 250 Baloophi said at 3:56 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Unfortunately the “gimp line” is set at 39%…

  251. 251 Bert's Bells said at 4:03 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Did an actual “LOL” IRL on that.

  252. 252 GEAGLE said at 5:40 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I would call him someone with two knee injuries who is a more talented passer then Marriota and more equipped to pass against NFL defenses… Which are facts..

  253. 253 Michael Winter Cho said at 4:37 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Carson Palmer was much better before he was injured.

  254. 254 GEAGLE said at 4:53 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Carson Palmer is expected to come back fine… No one has any concerns about him overcoming his injuries at his age and coming back next year. Arizona isnt the least bit concerned…. But here, it’s the end of the world.
    Then again, what can I expect from a city that’s dumb enough to talk about JoeL Embiid as if he is Andrew Bynum, all because he had a 3 week back injury and a navicular fracture in his foot lol… Kid been playing multiple sports his entire life and just has this navicular surgery and people can’t even let themselves enjoy the Sixers getting a once in a lifetime talent because from a navicular bone fracture people already worry about him being too injured to have a career …. It’s the craziest thing I have ever seen……. So I guess I can’t expect chaos to brake loose when the starting QB of the Eagles has these issues..

    But every where else, teams are excited about getting injured players healthy againa,but Bradford is assumed damaged goods in philly.
    CLowney had microfracture surgery and the Texans and its fans are excited about his recovery
    The cardinals have an often injured, old man coming back from injury and not one thought to him getting hurt again.
    the friggin Giants think Victor Cruz will be better then ever and he had a way worse injury then Bradford..

    Yet for us, a pocket QB has two injuries, one a direct shot like BRady, and we assume it’s the end of his career…. I swear we bring the jinx to our own players with this consistent default doom n gloom mode

  255. 255 Baloophi said at 3:54 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Bring out the gimp.

  256. 256 Avery Greene said at 3:55 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Wow, football has changed.

  257. 257 Michael Winter Cho said at 3:30 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Damn, this is fun. I now admit to myself that it will be a downer if the Eagles miss out or Mariota.

  258. 258 SteveH said at 3:31 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Depends on what we give up. I am sooooo not a fan of sending lots of our young defensive players as part of the deal. If we lose Fletcher Cox that would be a huge bummer.

    Of course if Mariota becomes a pro bowler and leads us to a championship at some point, it would totally be worth it, but I don’t see Mariota as top 5 nfl QB material.

  259. 259 Michael Winter Cho said at 3:45 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Just imagine if he and Chip could resurrect the Oregon O here in the NFL. It would be… glorious!

  260. 260 OregonDucker said at 3:54 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Eagles winning 59 – 14 will become boring. That’s when we will complain that the 3rd string is not playing enough.”Chip isn’t developing his players enough dammit.”

  261. 261 Michael Winter Cho said at 4:34 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    That’s why it’s okay to trade away all our defensive players, to make it fair.

  262. 262 unhinged said at 4:48 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    That’s when the NFL Rules Committee will revisit the no huddle, and ban it except in the last two minutes of each half. All of Peyton’s records will receive asterisks, and Kelly will start his own league where it’s required to have 2 players in motion at all times before the snap, and any team can wear any one of 20 different uniforms per franchise.

  263. 263 SteveH said at 3:30 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    What time does the draft actually start anyhow? I’m away from home, no NFL network, and I can’t find it on

    Also, I have a feeling this is going to be the wildest draft in a long time. I think Chip has stirred things up and teams are going to be reacting by wheeling and dealing.

  264. 264 A_T_G said at 3:46 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I had the same thought, and I don’t think it is an accident. When you are playing defense (basketball and soccer come to mind, but it applies to every sport) and you know you cannot get to the ball in time to block/deflect/steal it, there is still value in pressuring the opponent. Often you can influence him into rushing and/or making a poor decision. I believe some of what the Eagles have been doing was done with this goal in mind.

  265. 265 Baloophi said at 3:48 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Another good trick when you know you can’t get there in time is to turn around and moon the opponent. Learned that from Sun Tzu.

  266. 266 Baloophi said at 3:46 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I believe it starts at 8pm EST…

  267. 267 ACViking said at 4:39 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    But if you fly to the west coast, the draft will start sooner . . . at 5pm.

  268. 268 Baloophi said at 4:45 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    And sooner than that if you expect to have a solid buzz going when the Titans go on the clock. That’s why I’ll be at the bar at 3:30pm tomorrow with this guy…

  269. 269 ACViking said at 4:46 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Will you be meeting up with LAEagle?

  270. 270 Baloophi said at 4:52 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    That’s confidential.

  271. 271 ACViking said at 4:53 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    You’re such an SOB!!! And with the helmet-phone no less.

    (that’s a compliment, of course!)

  272. 272 HawaiianEagle said at 4:56 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Does that helmet phone come with the helmet signal? Flash wings into the night sky when there is trouble with the team?

  273. 273 Baloophi said at 4:56 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    It does if you down enough mai tais first..

  274. 274 HawaiianEagle said at 4:56 PM on April 29th, 2015:


  275. 275 laeagle said at 5:25 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I will be meeting with the helmet. No comment on whether I’m meeting with Baloophi.

  276. 276 ACViking said at 5:26 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    nice play

  277. 277 Baloophi said at 5:46 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    laeagle writes the names down on the card, and then I sprint the card up to the confused bartender.

  278. 278 Birds4Life said at 3:46 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    8PM tomorrow night. Can’t get here fast enough!

  279. 279 Baloophi said at 4:00 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    On NFL Live, Ryan Clark on why the Browns won’t sell the farm to move up for MM:

    “You stay pat and try to fill some of the other holes you have. They don’t just have quarterback problems, they have life problems in Cleveland.”

  280. 280 A_T_G said at 4:47 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    They got 99 problems, but Joe Banner ain’t one.

  281. 281 GEAGLE said at 4:06 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I really don’t think chip is as desperate for MM as people make it out to be.. So I think the ONLY way we get him if it’s a deal that ends up looking surprisingly favorable for us.. chips Football philosophy is based off No One player is good enough to win the ultimate team game, so I don’t believe he will overpay for one player, especially when you have such a talented kid like Bradford to fall back on.
    Facts are we DONT give a shit about injuries obviously, since half our offseason is adding injured players lol…. Out of all the bad Knees chip took fliers on, THE LAST position I worry about getting hurt again coming off knee surgery are Lineman and pocket QBs.
    I don’t think people really grasp how talented Bradford is.. Chip has made QBs look good, and None had Sam’s level of talent
    SAM is actually a CONSENSUS more talented QB then Marriota. You can’t find anyone besides luck who absolutely has more talent then SAM.. And after Marriota, Bradford experience in Oklohoma shotgun tempo attack makes him the next best prepared fit to play for Chip… Every scout and GMS admits that Jameis and Marriota are great prospects but not as talented as Luck or Bradfod…..
    After what Chip did with FOles and even Sanchez, I’m Salivating to see what he can do with Bradford, the most talented QB chip has EVER HAD..
    Marriota runs faster, he doesn’t have an injury history and we would get him on a cheap rookie deal for 5 years and invest Bradfords big money on other positions.. So I wouldn’t absolutely despise getting Marriota, but I’m not interested in losing players to get a prospect, trade all the picks you want, leave our playrs alone.
    Think in chips mind SAM Bradford is a much more attractive fallback option then people realize, which is why I think he isn’t as desperate as people make us out to be, and if we do get Marriota it would be cheaper then probabky expected…..
    I have no problem going with Bradford as our pocket passer next year, actually the thought intruigs me… I assume Chip feels the same, so I’m thinking he won’t allow teams to fleece him, at least I hope not…

  282. 282 James said at 4:09 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Too much faith in too many oft-hurt players. Some of them will pan out, others wont. Again, 38.75% of the time he isnt even on the field.

  283. 283 GEAGLE said at 4:17 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    If you can count on a ILB with 2 knee injuries to come back and dominate, then you can’t act like its the end of the world for a pocket passer…. You think his knee won’t be strong enough to take a 5 step drop, step up to avoid the rush, plant, throw, follow through? If you think his knee isn’t going to be strong enough to do that, you are basically almost saying his knee isn’t strong enough to walk on lol…… Call me crazy, but YES, I’m comfortable with him taking a few step drops, I’m comfortable stepping up in the pocket or sidestepping to avoid rushers, and I’m confident that he can roll out, take a few steps and throw on the run….. Like two steps above walking lol

    If he takes a direct shot in the knee he won’t survive it, but neither would Marriota or any other healthy knee in this world….
    If we can’t count on a pocket passer coming back from injury then we are REALLY SCREWED at some other positions.. Because ILBs, WRs, DBs put way more stress on their joints then pocket QBs… If Bradford can’t overcome his knee, who can? KIKO? Why him and not Bradford when any doctor will admit that a LB is more susceptible to re injuring the knee then a pocket QB…
    As a pocket QB, I dont think he is at any bigger injury risk then any other QB?… If his knee isn’t strong enough to take a shotgun snap, fake the handoff, step up, plant, throw a dart, follow throw, then you are almost saying his knee isn’t strong enoufh to walk on lol

  284. 284 James said at 4:22 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    What does Kiko have to do with Bradford and Mariota? I get the optimism with Bradford’s talent, but he is a proven injury prone QB, where Mariota is not. And is proven to excel in this system. Bradford can have all the talent in the world, but I’m choosing a Qb that has proven to be ridiculously good in this system that can stay healthy over Bradford.

  285. 285 GEAGLE said at 4:27 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    KIKO is coming back from his second ACL, Bradford is coming back from his second ACL… KIKO plays a position that requires explosion, stopping on the dime, cutting to change direction,. And his knee is assumed to be just fine, but, we have to be doom and gloom and assume Bradford can’t overcome the same injuries as Kiko and MACLIN, and his knee won’t be strong enough to take a snap from shotgun, fake it to Demarco, take two steps, plant, throw. Follow thru?

  286. 286 anon said at 4:29 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    i doubt Bradford is half the athlete Kiko is.

  287. 287 GEAGLE said at 4:33 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Where exactly does that factor into the debate we are having? MACLIN is a much better athlete then Bradfird. But I still trust the pocket QB to overcome two ACL injuries and have a healthy career more then I trust MACLIN or Kiko to not re-injure their knees, why because a pocket passer puts less stress on his joints then a ILB or a WR… Not rocket science.
    You can’t on one hand be excited about Kiko and assume his knee will be fine, and then be doom and gloom about Bradfords,… But whatever, you don’t like a bradford, you don’t think his knee will be strong enough to be a pocket passer, I do… We can agree to disagree, and I’m going to root for my Bradford/Bryce Petty QB tandem

  288. 288 anon said at 4:36 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    By better athlete i mean more able to come back from an injury that Sammy B. In addition to the ACLs he’s had the broken collarbone issue in college too, while fluky, none of these are miss one game injuries, they are season killers.

  289. 289 GEAGLE said at 5:38 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Collarbone.. Key word BONE.. Are you worried about his bone density too?… I doubt Marriotas collar bone is significantly stronger

  290. 290 anon said at 5:43 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    some people are made of glass is all i’m saying.

  291. 291 James said at 4:30 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Kiko has nothing to do with any of my points, you decided to bring him into the QB discussion from some odd reason. It’s ok, you’ll get there someday big guy.

  292. 292 Member of the Tribe said at 4:42 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I get what he’s saying. When people talk about Bradford they keep discounting him because they’re pretty sure he’s going to get injured again. Yet, we don’t feel the same way about Kiko Alonso even though he’s had the same two ACL injuries and plays a position that puts way more stress on your knees. So he’s saying if it’s reasonable to expect Kiko to come back and play at a high level from a similar injury, then why can’t you expect the same from a position that is much less demanding on the knee?

  293. 293 James said at 4:45 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Except he completely changed the subject from i’d take Bradford over Mariota to Bradford is just as injured as Kiko. Mariota > Bradford (proven injury prone) any day.

  294. 294 Member of the Tribe said at 4:48 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Ya I get what you’re saying. i think it’s basically I’d take Bradford over Mariota (very debatable) and don’t give me the he’s injury prone crap because Kiko. That’s what I’m getting.

    Either way I feel like somehow tomorrow is going to come and Chip will make us all look stupid

  295. 295 James said at 4:51 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Yea seriously. Watch him grab Petty in the 3rd or something random.

  296. 296 GEAGLE said at 5:53 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Yes … On one hand we think guys like Maclin with two ACL injuries and Kiko are going to be perfectly fine, and then assume the absolute worst for a QB with the same injury history, and it’s crazy to me when Pocket Qb and lineman are the positions with the best odds of coming back from injuries… Franchises like the cardinals who are contenders are going into next season with old man Carson Palmer and no one questions whether he can overcome injury… I don’t get this automaticky assuming te worst and having no consistency. One guy can overcome a injury just fine and another kid with the same injury is damaged goods..
    Personally once a player has the surgery from a world class surgeon, does all the rehab with our trainers and he gets cleared by our trainers, he is HEALTHY PERIOD and no more at risk then any other pocket passer… If the kid doesn’t get healthy we won’t let him back on the field lol

  297. 297 GEAGLE said at 5:42 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Ok you got it

  298. 298 anon said at 4:28 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    “No One player is good enough to win the ultimate team game, so I don’t believe he will overpay for one player”.

    (a) not true for QBs — i think he’s learned that in the last 2 years
    (b) we overpaid maxwell, we were going to throw our whole salary cap mccourty — it’s basic economics.

  299. 299 GEAGLE said at 4:34 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Funny cause andrew luck won’t win a damn thing until the put enough around him

  300. 300 anon said at 4:37 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    You mean like playoff games? B/c he’s won a bunch of those.

    Lots of teams have talent with bad qbs those teams rarely make the playoffs or win playoff games. From Cinci all the way down.

  301. 301 BreakinAnklez said at 4:40 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    He’s 3-3 with a 3-4 TD to INT ratio. He’s been blown out in all 3 losses and really should have lost the KC game.

  302. 302 anon said at 4:56 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    really should have lost the KC game = had the biggest comeback in recent playoff history?

    My point being that Colts don’t get to any of those playoff games if their QB isn’t andrew luck.

  303. 303 GEAGLE said at 4:42 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    He has won NOTHING that matters to me bud… .. By your standards Donovan McNabb must be elway

  304. 304 Baloophi said at 4:09 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    My guess on the ESPN / NFL-NETWORK field-reporter production meeting last week:

    PRODUCER: “Okay, so I need two reporters to cover Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota’s hometowns next week for reactions during the draft. Mariota will be in Honolulu and Winston will be in Bessemer, Alabama. Volunteers for either?”

  305. 305 Ark87 said at 4:24 PM on April 29th, 2015:

  306. 306 ACViking said at 4:45 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    So who has the assignments for ESPN?

    And forget the faces, think about the incredible free trip for the much-less paid cameramen and producers.

    That said, Bessemer has some of the best Barbecue in the southeast

  307. 307 Baloophi said at 4:51 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Sure Bessemer’s got your Bob Sykes and isn’t far from Dreamland (or new favorite Saw’s in “the Ham”), but let’s not forget Aloha favorite “Ono”…

  308. 308 Baloophi said at 4:42 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    If I know this site, people are eager and excited to talk about low-round receiver prospects. With that in mind, what do people think of Antwan Goodley from Baylor? He has odd measureables (5’10, 202, 4.44) and strikes as me as a more polished Josh Huff… which might make him a waste of a pick? First-Pick absolutely LOATHES it when I take him in the 7th round (C-) but he just seems like he’d fit in with our offense and special teams…

  309. 309 Mitchell said at 6:13 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    We would have an army of stocky blocking WR. I like him personally. Tough as nails but as you said, we already have Huff.

  310. 310 ACViking said at 4:58 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I keep looking at the list of NFL QBs since 1960 to find one who had a great career after (i) missing most of his last college season, (ii) plus large parts of 2 pro seasons, and (iii) another entire pro season.

    Can’t seem to find one. Not in 55 years worth of QBs.

    Even without counting the missed college games.

    Or lowering the standard to “good” career.

    (And if Bradford stays upright, he’ll post big numbers in Kelly’s system.)

    But there’s always a first time for everything . . .

    Right, Baloophi?

  311. 311 Baloophi said at 5:00 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    That’s what I keep telling myself about the possibility of hair growing back on my head.

  312. 312 ACViking said at 5:02 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Ah . . . a piece of the puzzle about the mysterious Baloophi.

    No wonder you have the helmet phone.

  313. 313 Baloophi said at 5:04 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I must say I was saddened to learn the helmet doesn’t easily detach from the base. Otherwise, yeah, I’d wear it all the time. Safety first with both L.A. traffic AND harmful UV rays… PLUS, I could easily roll calls while driving.

  314. 314 ACViking said at 5:05 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    possibly your best comment.

    (i’m heaving with laughter)

  315. 315 ACViking said at 5:05 PM on April 29th, 2015:


    any good pool halls in the LA area that you go to or have been to in recent times?

    may be coming out your way to argue a suppression motion.

    would like to meet up if the judge requires a hearing

  316. 316 Baloophi said at 5:12 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Funny, I do a subtle suppression motion anytime I get OUT of a pool.

    Actually, our unofficial “draft bar” has a couple tables (and is right down the street). I’m TERRIBLE (think Clouseau bad) but would enjoy a walk around the felt if you’re in town. Keep me posted…

  317. 317 ACViking said at 5:14 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    will do.

    played a lot in HS, college, LS. stopped after that.

    now, i can barely see.

    and that doesn’t even include the scotch

  318. 318 Baloophi said at 5:17 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    This is you soft-pedaling into playing for money. Never forget I married an attorney… I think.

  319. 319 ACViking said at 5:23 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    You’re not saying that I’m a Turk Baker-type, now are you?

  320. 320 laeagle said at 5:24 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    You a hustler, AC?

  321. 321 ACViking said at 5:26 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Try me . . .

  322. 322 Baloophi said at 5:27 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    So maybe I’ll just keep score when all of this goes down. And make sure nobody ashes in your drinks.

  323. 323 ACViking said at 5:29 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Needless to say, I’m much more the Murray Hamilton type . . . shooting pool as though I’m on a billiards table.

  324. 324 Baloophi said at 5:27 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    All I know is I’m more of a Jeanette Lee-type. But only in terms of how I dress.

  325. 325 ACViking said at 5:27 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Then you must be the guy I saw at Ames.

  326. 326 botto said at 5:04 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    shoot, good thing chip didn’t try to look that up

  327. 327 Baloophi said at 5:04 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    That’s the sort of annoying thing Howie would’ve done.

  328. 328 GEAGLE said at 5:06 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I’m ok with chip doing whatever he wants with his draft picks.. personally I’d rather go with SAM Bradford, Sanchez and Bryce Petty, and we get to use picks to build our team…. But if chip has to have MM, fine, trade as many picks as you need to, to get what you want….
    But under no circumstances do you trade players. I like the team we have in place, I’m fine with going to war with this group. So leave the players alone and give away your next 3 drafts for all I care..

  329. 329 ACViking said at 5:06 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Bryce Petty is a sleeper, even in Rd 2.

    nice call

  330. 330 Mitchell said at 6:01 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    So is Grayson.

  331. 331 botto said at 5:16 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    it would be weird to be building the defense and then trade a bunch of the best defenders for the college qb.
    how did seattle manage to have it all?
    oh I guess because Wilson was a third rounder! dang.
    my gut says no way we go for mariotta. no way. bluffing for maybe another impact player at WR? or something

  332. 332 GEAGLE said at 5:36 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    They took a good QB in round 3 and put him in position to succeed as a game manager.., we need Bryce Petty.. Perfect stylistic backup to Bradford,

  333. 333 lewis don said at 5:19 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Your good with bennie logan? The declining future hold out Evan Mathis? Brent Celek is expendable (need to replace blocking of course) right?
    Realistically, aren’t their circumstances they could trade a player, and it make sense and that production be replaced or rerouted in a another way?
    I don’t think if they trade a player at all you should lose an ounce of faith. If the combination of players makes sense. then it could be a competitive team. Fletcher Cox isn’t irreplaceable.
    Im not sure who isn’t irreplaceable except Bradford, Sanchez. Mariota if we get him, won’t likely be ready to go win a championship. the coach has to try to win now. Every year is trying to win.
    So I think although we are comfortable with a Fletcher Cox or kendricks. We will be able to get behind the final roster if it makes sense.
    This is all before they play a single game. for the sake of developing a feel for a team before they step on the field.

  334. 334 GEAGLE said at 5:29 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Logan is one of the best young NT in the NFL so what are u talking about? Why wouldn’t I be “good with him”??

  335. 335 lewis don said at 5:52 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I disagree.
    I prefer Beau Allen.
    I just think we can do better than Bennie Logan. hes solid. I don’t prefer his style. Hes not a true NT.

  336. 336 GEAGLE said at 5:58 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Dude, you seriously need to fix your NT grading skills. U can’t be more wrong. Lol in his 2nd year he was leading NTs in tackles lol, he always holds the point of attack and eats double teams, and unlike many NT he has rare ability to also get pressure on QBs… I can’t even believe you just made that statement.. U can’t possibly be more long, and this comes from someone who wanted Beau Allen before we drafted him… But ok,… Your opinion has been noted

  337. 337 lewis don said at 2:25 AM on April 30th, 2015:


    Paul Posluszny led all ILB in tackles and know one considered him one of the elite ILBs. Tackles are not the best evaluation of a defensive player. but ill give bennie that in his second year.

    But otherwise he had no sacks, one passes defended and one forced fumble.

    not only that, he was ranked 77 out of 81 DTs last year according to PFF in Pass Rushing. Of which he scored a -8.0.

    And I didn’t even look up his pass rushing stats until today. I went off of what I saw on tape.

    So apparently as you say, his ability to get pressure in pass rush, i dont think thats even his best ability.


    He was among the leaders in tackles and stops, but overall ranked 41st out of 81 DTs. He ranked high against the run.

    Im not saying he is not a good player. Im saying that If he is better against the run, and everyone on our line last year was good against the run, why not go with Beau Allen, when he is bigger, has a higher motor and is gonna give you the same, and I believe better in the pass rush.

    Hell, Id draft a guy really. I just dont think bennie is as good as we can get right now.

    I think Beau Allen will surpass him.

    Im not pulling this out of thin air.

    I understand your loyal to Bennie and I respect that. But Don’t think Im just saying stuff just to say it.

    The best part, is that PFF ranked Beau Allen higher than Bennie last year in pass rushing, with a grade of -0.8. which is better than -8.0. Which I saw on the field.

    Beau was actually worse than bennie in stopping the run. but he had way less snaps. so im not even gonna factor that in really.

    I think you can see Beau will be special. bennie, to me, is just slightly above average. Not saying we cant keep him.

    But to label him untouchable, is a bit of a overstatement.

  338. 338 Mitchell said at 6:07 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    It depends on what you label a “true NT”. Logan is very good at what he does. There is a r3ason Logan was taken in the 3rd and Allen in the 7th. If you want a behemoth who plugs the middle you use Allen. If you want someone with some versatility Logan is your guy. Logan is better than Allen.

  339. 339 lewis don said at 2:29 AM on April 30th, 2015:

    I think Allen has a higher ceiling. Im not high on Logan. But I respect your opinion. I think Logan is slightly above average.

  340. 340 ACViking said at 5:12 PM on April 29th, 2015:


    – How many players does Kelly have ranked as 1st Rd-worthy choices (for him)?

    – Who are they (besides Mariota)?

  341. 341 lewis don said at 5:24 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Based on the interest tracker over at BGN.
    The Highest rated/Highest interest players are
    Terry Poole OG
    Eric Rowe CB
    Amos S
    Jallen Collins S
    Byron Jones CB
    Don’t quote me.

  342. 342 Baloophi said at 5:45 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I’ll take a stab. Firstly, I think picking at 20 in the first round, and say, trading back to 28 drastically changes the definition of “1st round worthy” (because I think there’s relative parity for about 20-30 picks after pick 15 or so). With that in mind, here’s a group I see as “Kelly’s guys” that he could take in the first 32:
    – Marcus Mariota
    – Kevin White
    – Amari Cooper
    – Brandon Scherff
    – Dante Fowler Jr.
    – Bud Dupree
    – Trae Waynes
    – DeVante Parker
    – Byron Jones
    – La’el Collins (??)
    – Cameron Erving
    – T.J. Clemmings
    – Arik Armstead
    – Jake Fisher
    – Eric Rowe
    – Nelson Agholor

  343. 343 ICDogg said at 5:53 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Jordan Phillips, if you are interested in a solid nose tackle.

    I’m also still intrigued by Shaq Thompson.

  344. 344 Baloophi said at 6:01 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Where do you see Chip slotting Shaq? I kept him off the “1st round” list simply because he doesn’t seem to fit Chip’s size parameters for his preferred spot (LB) nor the speed for safety. I like Shaq because he’s versatile (certainly a Chip “plus”), and always around the ball but I feel like Chip doesn’t value “instinct” as much as measurables… (SEE, Kendricks, Mychal).

  345. 345 ICDogg said at 6:04 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I’d play him at safety and would note that there is no safety prospect available that perfectly fits the parameters.

  346. 346 GEAGLE said at 6:03 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Live Jordan Phillips, slide Bennie at DE… I want both the Oklohoma boys Jordon Phillios and Daryl Washington OL

  347. 347 ICDogg said at 6:10 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I get the feeling Phillips will wind up in New England as their designated Wilfork replacement

  348. 348 ACViking said at 5:17 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Jimmy ‘Bama keeps hearing “from reliable sources” that the Eagles are still hunting for Mariota.

    QUESTION . . . unless those sources work at NovaCare, why isn’t that just other teams sourcing to try to get “their guy” to fall (or something like that)?

  349. 349 Greg Richards said at 5:28 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Sources only tell you what fits their agenda. They aren’t friends with the media and do them a solid by feeding them information. So why theoretically would the Eagles feed interest in a Mariota trade? Possibilites:

    a. They do want to trade up to a certain spot, but not for Mariota.
    b. They do want to trade up to a certain spot and want teams that want Mariota to think they need to get to a higher spot to draft him and thus making it more likely that their targeted player drops to their targeted draft spot.
    c. They are trying to get a Bradford extension done before the draft and using the leverage of “We may ship you to Siberia…I mean Cleveland” to get a more favorable deal done.

  350. 350 ACViking said at 5:30 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    like the logic . . . ‘specially Siberia

  351. 351 ICDogg said at 5:19 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    My question is are we too quick to dismiss the possibility of drafting Marcus Peters.

  352. 352 lewis don said at 5:21 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Are we certain Chip Kelly views his character as to much of a flaw? Is he too grabby in coverage? Are their better selections in later rounds considering what else you can get in the first round at other positions?
    I think WR possess some standouts that could be too hard to pass up.
    Are you comfortable with this O-line heading into the season vs the conerbacks? Is Chip Kelly?

  353. 353 ICDogg said at 5:28 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Peters’ character flags:

    Peters has admitted to failing a drug test in 2011. In 2013, he was suspended for their bowl game vs BYU for academic reasons and was restricted by coaches from team workouts prior to the 2014 season. He didn’t handle the regime change well, giving backlash to the staff throughout last season. He head-butted an opponent in a victory over Eastern Washington and was benched in the 3rd quarter after throwing a tantrum when coaches disciplined him. He was also suspended for the following game vs Illinois. He showed up late to meetings during the 2014 season and was eventually dismissed from the program.

  354. 354 lewis don said at 5:30 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    My guess is he is not a Chip Kelly guy.
    ive already written him off.
    maybe I took your question to seriously?

  355. 355 ICDogg said at 5:41 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Guys with his proven ability don’t fall to 20 without other issues attached to them. You’re gambling that you can deal with his character, but he’s got top-of-the-line talent and all of a sudden our secondary could become a strength rather than a weakness.

  356. 356 lewis don said at 5:48 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Did you see last years draft? guys fall sometimes. bradin Cooks was 20 last year.
    I believe we have enough talent at CB now to look at more positions of need. like OG, WR, OLB depth. Imo.
    I don’t think Kelly gambles on character unless he knows the guy.

  357. 357 ICDogg said at 6:42 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I don’t believe we have two starting quality corners and do consider that a big need.

    WRs are more likely to drop than other positions due to supply and demand. There have been a lot of good ones coming out every year in the draft.

  358. 358 lewis don said at 2:05 AM on April 30th, 2015:

    I dont see how you dont consider Maxwell at least to be starting quality. I feel like your going off their name. Tape and statistics suggest they could be.

    Coaches go off of what they see and project. I dont understand why we have to look at name and historical stats as the only way to feel comfortable about certain players.

    I think we are ok at corner. I would have liked to keep Carry Williams, but I think we can survive at corner without drafting one in the first round.

  359. 359 ICDogg said at 7:55 AM on April 30th, 2015:

    I’m happy with Maxwell but you need two starting corners and I’m not convinced we have two. It’s not a matter of names. Who’s your other starting corner? Who do you think is good enough? I think we have a big need there especially if we don’t get a major upgrade at safety. You can cover a little bit for one weaker spot in the secondary but not two.

  360. 360 lewis don said at 9:54 AM on April 30th, 2015:

    I think Thurmond is starting opposite Maxwell and im fine with that. I think we can afford to get a 2nd, 3rd or later rounder and develop them behind those two.

  361. 361 GEAGLE said at 5:26 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    NO, we aren’t quick enough to dismiss it lol…he is marshawn lynch cousin and he isn’t a team guy who will buy Into everything like chip requires

  362. 362 lewis don said at 5:28 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    When did it become a negative just being that you are Marshawn’s cousin?
    I understand the second part.

  363. 363 ICDogg said at 5:33 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    The reason I bring up Peters is that he is a true, legit first round talent in any year. And I think that just like with injury issues, you have to delve deeper into possible character issues considering the talent level.

  364. 364 lewis don said at 5:42 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I just plain old disagree.
    I believe there is enough great character talent to cancel any bad character talent.
    Having played sports, there is a difference between having a nasty character in competition and just having a bad character.
    And it is poisonous to an organization.
    Call me optimistic.
    I think you gotta look at the guy deeper, and I believe the eagles have done their diligence and will make the call.
    Bad enough character always erodes talent. and its how bad is the problem, and whats the source.
    any player you name that was supposedly bad in character and had success, imo wasn’t as bad as they potrayed themselves.
    Showing up late, Doing drugs, being beyond difficult to work with. its just not good for any organization.
    I don’t know how we can evaluate how bad his character is past these reports and the decision of the coaches.
    But I do feel that what if, or maybe we can win despite the character flaws. hell, maybe he turns out great and gets over those issues. maybe they don’t become a issue at all.
    I feel that.

  365. 365 GEAGLE said at 5:33 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Do you know what a jackass you have to be to be the #1 CB in the Nation and actually get kicked off the team?… I wish we could draft a kid with his talent… But that’s a pipe dream IMO. Feel free to disagree

  366. 366 oreofestar said at 5:38 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    If we take him I’d love it, I just don’t see us doing it but if they announce his name at 20 I’d be fine with it

  367. 367 GEAGLE said at 6:10 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Thanks for asking…

  368. 368 GermanEagle said at 5:29 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Eagles are shopping LB Mychal Kendricks. Seeking a 2nd round pick in return. Teams are balking at that price but something could happen

    Per LaCanfora

  369. 369 GermanEagle said at 5:29 PM on April 29th, 2015:


  370. 370 ACViking said at 5:32 PM on April 29th, 2015:


    trade ’em all, i say.

    (By the way, have you ever stood a post?)

  371. 371 Greg Richards said at 5:29 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Jason La Canfora

    5m5 minutes ago

    Eagles are shopping LB Mychal Kendricks. Seeking a 2nd round pick in return. Teams are balking at that price but something could happen

  372. 372 GEAGLE said at 5:31 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    That’s the type of stuff they need to do, acquire more pics to trade, because it will probably take picks NOT players to trade up for MM

  373. 373 Greg Richards said at 5:32 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Then, if you don’t get Mariota deal done, you just use the picks on other players.

  374. 374 Brian Pillion said at 6:06 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    So you seem to have moved on from your insistence that Kendricks absolutely won’t get traded and that anyone who suggested he might was a moron being blindly spurred on by media hacks… but you still haven’t responded to my wager.

  375. 375 ACViking said at 5:31 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    well, if past is prologue, and teams wait out the Eagles, maybe Kelly will just release MK . . . a la D-Jax

  376. 376 oreofestar said at 5:33 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    They must really not want to pay this guy, it blows but I’d rather it be him than Cox

  377. 377 lewis don said at 5:34 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    M. Kendricks had serious balance problems, and coverage problems a year ago.
    He Vastly improved last year.
    And hes imo the best blitzing ILB in the league.
    But that is great value for Micheal Kendricks. And I think we will be fine at that position.
    Id like to see him back. But I accept a 2nd rounder for kendricks.

  378. 378 anon said at 5:52 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    can’t stay healthy plus they had casey matthews calling plays last year – that should have told you right there.

  379. 379 lewis don said at 2:26 AM on April 30th, 2015:


  380. 380 unhinged said at 5:38 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Question: Is the interest expressed frequently here for Byron Jones for him to come in and play corner or safety?

  381. 381 lewis don said at 5:45 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I say have him compete at both.
    But I see him as a corner.
    Byron Jones doesn’t sound like a safety name at all. I have this weird theory about names and positions. I hate seeing Byron Maxwell wear 41. its not a CB number imo. its like a bad omen imo. but Im hoping he breaks my perspective on it.

  382. 382 Greg Richards said at 5:46 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    He’s 31 with the Eagles.

  383. 383 lewis don said at 5:49 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    That is SO much better. It hurts my brain.
    Its like wearing 34 and playing QB.

  384. 384 unhinged said at 8:26 AM on April 30th, 2015:

    Numerology and appellation science. No draft is complete without either.

  385. 385 ICDogg said at 5:57 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    He’s perfectly suited to corner for us, and that’s where he would play.

  386. 386 BobSmith77 said at 5:50 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Most interesting hype and crazy speculation since the Eagles went into the ’99 draft and grabbed McNabb.

    Normally I despise the NFL draft hype but I’ll tune tomorrow to see what happens with the few picks.

  387. 387 Greg Richards said at 5:52 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    It’s been a long while but I remember it being pretty much a lock that if the Eagles picked at 2, it would be McNabb. Some consideration of trading down.

  388. 388 ICDogg said at 5:56 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Yes, while not 100% it was widely thought for days that Reid’s favorite QB was McNabb and that Couch was going #1. It was also known that Ditka had an offer available to anyone who would take it to trade his entire draft for the rights to draft Ricky Williams.

  389. 389 BobSmith77 said at 5:56 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    That was the concensus too if they stayed but there was a ton of what the Eagles might do including moving down and grabbing another QB.

  390. 390 BobSmith77 said at 5:58 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    At this point too, almost nothing would surprise me unless Kelly want completely ‘out-of-box’ and did something like trade for RGIII.

  391. 391 ICDogg said at 6:00 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Now that would be something

  392. 392 botto said at 6:02 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    there is just no way mariotta is the second best player available.
    is he even in the top 5 BPA?

  393. 393 anon said at 6:03 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    If you put “for Chip Kelly” at the end of that sentence does that make it better for you?

  394. 394 botto said at 6:05 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    sounds like the browns are almost all in for MM. they do whatever chip says

  395. 395 HawaiianEagle said at 6:05 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Mariota = Aeko

  396. 396 HawaiianEagle said at 6:06 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Aeko = Eagle

  397. 397 anon said at 6:06 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Is that the consolation prize for not being able to sign him?

  398. 398 botto said at 6:07 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    there is something about the quietness of mariotta that makes me think the NFL could scare him.
    these guys are big and mean.

  399. 399 anon said at 6:08 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    depends on the team he goes to. Almost seems like CK groomed the roster so that it’d be a good place for a quiet rookie QB.

  400. 400 botto said at 6:15 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Bradford has the better arm right?
    he has a gun doesn’t he?

  401. 401 HawaiianEagle said at 6:08 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    You ever ride the 5AM bus from Ewa Beach to town? Yikes!!

  402. 402 botto said at 6:14 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    he’s been in nice little Eugene for a while now

  403. 403 botto said at 6:14 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    you know if we get mariotta there will have to be a lei day at the linc right?

  404. 404 OldDocMcQuackadillyBlip said at 6:04 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    I’d make a case for second most valuable, which is kinda what matters.

  405. 405 Greg Richards said at 6:02 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Everybody is looking at trading up for Mariota and/or our own players that we could trade. What about trading for vets from other teams? One possibility:

    OLB Nick Perry, GB: The Packers want to move Clay Matthews back outside, they have a serious void at ILB, Perry is a Pac 12 guy: Kendricks for Perry, a 3rd, and a 5th?

  406. 406 anon said at 6:08 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    100% agree that Chip would trade for players instead of picks, seems way more into known commodities. I was going to post about Nick Perry a couple of days ago but he’s got another year AND had like 3 sacks, i just don’t know if he’s good (GB doesn’t seem to think so).

    Personally I was very surprised that we didn’t get (or seem to go after) Andre Johnson or vets like that.

  407. 407 Anders said at 3:23 AM on April 30th, 2015:

    Perry is not that good. I much rather trade for Bruce Irvin then

  408. 408 HawaiianEagle said at 6:11 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    BGN: eagles also shopping Boykin…

  409. 409 ICDogg said at 6:13 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    No shock there

  410. 410 HawaiianEagle said at 6:14 PM on April 29th, 2015:


  411. 411 Dave M. said at 9:00 PM on April 29th, 2015:

    Heeney looks awful. He is either being pushed around or getting manhandled, or someone with the ball is flying by him.