OLB in the 1st?

Posted: April 22nd, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 220 Comments »

The Eagles lost Trent Cole, but re-signed Brandon Graham back in March. Graham and Connor Barwin give the team a good pair of starting OLBs. After that, things are less settled.

Marcus Smith is going to be in the mix for playing time. He had a wasted rookie year, but 2015 is a new year. While he might turn out just fine, you can’t count on that. Bryan Braman is a good STer with some LB ability. Maybe in his second year as an Eagle he’ll get more of a chance on defense. Again though, you can’t count on that. Travis Long is coming off a knee injury. He has been used at ILB and OLB. The staff was high on him last summer, but he was still an unknown commodity.

The Eagles don’t need to spend a 1st round pick on an OLB, but what if a really good prospect is on the board when pick 20 rolls around? That might be too much to pass up. Let’s talk about a couple of them.

I love Kentucky star Bud Dupree as an Eagles possibility. He has great size at 6-4, 269. He is a very good athlete. Dupree ran 4.56 at the Combine and had a 42-inch vertical. This is a big man that can fly off the ball in a hurry and get to the QB.

UK had him play as a 3-4 OLB and as a DE on a 4-man line. Dupree has shown the potential to do everything the Eagles like a LB to do. He can set the edge and be a physical run defender. He can be a disruptive pass rusher. Dupree’s cover skills will never leave him mistaken for Darrelle Revis, but he looks comfortable playing in space.

I don’t know if Dupree will ever be a dominant NFL pass rusher, but he’s got the potential to be a productive OLB. He gets off the ball well. Dupree has exceptional speed for his size. Understand that he was almost 0.2 seconds faster in the 40 than Anquan Boldin was. One concern is that Dupree is a bit of a straight-line guy. You can see this on tape and in his agility tests (4.47 SS, 7.49 3-cone).

As a point of comparison…Aldon Smith comes to mind. I think Smith was a more versatile pass rusher (actually played Nickel DT some at Mizzou), but Dupree is faster and more explosive. Neither guy had good agility.

I’m less sure on what to think of Randy Gregory, the DE from Nebraska. He is 6-5, 235. You love that length, but he needs to add a lot of bulk to get the kind of size you want in a 3-4 LB. Gregory’s tape is great at times, but not as much as you’d like. He is a natural pass rusher. I see the potential for him to be a very good run defender. He is a gifted athlete with a huge ceiling.

Then you have the fact that Gregory tested positive at the Combine. I’m not hear to rail against drug use. We all know it goes on in society and the NFL. The point is that you quit smoking pot for a month before the Combine so that you can pass the test that you know is coming. That shows basic common sense and some level of discipline. Instead, Gregory failed.

This doesn’t mean Gregory is a bad guy or should be instantly removed from the draft board. But you do have to discuss how stupid it is to test positive in Indy. Every draft prospect in America knows about the Combine. This isn’t some secret event put on by the Bilderberg Group.

There is a good chance both Gregory and Dupree will be long gone by pick 20. If Dupree was there, he would be on my short list of targets. I’d need more character research before being comfortable with Gregory.

Just a couple of thoughts on other guys…

* I like Virginia DE/LB Eli Harold as a 2nd round target.

* I’m confused by LSU athlete Danielle Hunter. Lots of potential, but really could have used another year of college.

* The Eagles might have interest in a BYU LB.

Fua would be an interesting mid-round target. He’s unique in that he drops into coverage more than he rushes. Fua can cover RBs, TEs and even some slot receivers. He’s 6-5, 238 and athletic. He needs pass rush work, but the guy covers pretty well for a LB.

* Shaq Riddick, Obum Gwacham and Kyle Emanuel could all be of interest in the late round (5-7). Emanuel could play both ILB and OLB. Chip Kelly loves versatile guys. Gwacham and Riddick are long, lean pass rushers that could be better pros than college players.


220 Comments on “OLB in the 1st?”

  1. 1 Greg Richards said at 9:36 PM on April 22nd, 2015:

    The guy I like as a mid-round possibility is Markus Golden of Missouri. I know he doesn’t fit the height parameters Eagles typically like but that didn’t stop them from re-signing Graham. In addition, they’ve been rumored to have interest in signing Jason Worilds the past two years and he only goes 6-2 too.

  2. 2 TommyLawlor said at 9:40 PM on April 22nd, 2015:

    Golden is a player I like as well. Reminds me a bit of Trent Cole, actually. I just wonder if Kelly will like him.

  3. 3 Joe Minx said at 11:26 PM on April 22nd, 2015:

    I know he doesn’t fit the height parameters Eagles typically like but that didn’t stop them from re-signing Graham.

    True, but it’s like that saying we read about from the Bama program: it’s OK to have exceptions but not a team full of them. At what point is it too many for them?

  4. 4 anon said at 10:14 PM on April 22nd, 2015:

    Is Fua like a Marcus Smith, a better coverage guy than pass rusher, guy that will likely need to add weight?

  5. 5 GEAGLE said at 7:45 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    needing to spend your first season adding weight and strength isnt that uncommon for the OLB position. Eagles wont penalize an OLB prospect for needing to get stronger

  6. 6 Mitchell said at 10:16 PM on April 22nd, 2015:

    Bud Dupree doesn’t need a great 3-cone time with his first couple steps as fast as they are. His speed off the line is freakish and if he can develop a counter move, good night. To add to Fua, he had a 3-cone of 6.83 which is .06 seconds better than Tyler Lockett for some comparison. I wish he had some tape on draft breakdown because I would love to see what kind of rushing ability he has.

  7. 7 D3FB said at 10:25 PM on April 22nd, 2015:

    Here’s a great read on Harvard OLB Zach Hodges (who I like) and some of the truly inspiring odds he has overcome:


  8. 8 Javi Echie said at 10:34 PM on April 22nd, 2015:

    What a truly inspiring story. He seems like a great kid and very smart at that, really hope he gets drafted and has good success, he is the kind of kid you can’t help but root for. I am sure Chip would love a person of his character.

    Hey D3FB a little off topic and i am sure you’ve discussed him before but what are your thoughts on John Miller out of Louisville? Is he the type of guard that can play in our zone blocking scheme and where do you project him?

  9. 9 D3FB said at 10:46 PM on April 22nd, 2015:

    Not athletic enough for us. I think he’s a 4/5th round guy who probably starts for a few years in the league but is ultimately about a replacement level guy.

    Also he’s only 6’2. Anyone who isn’t also a center is 6’4+ for us.

  10. 10 Kelce's Beard said at 10:32 PM on April 22nd, 2015:

    Hodges? Harvard guy with incredible story. I mean, wow


  11. 11 SteveH said at 10:48 PM on April 22nd, 2015:

    Yes, but where does Tebow fit in all of this.

  12. 12 wee2424 said at 1:50 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    He is going to be playing OLB and Smith will switch to QB since he has experience in it. Tebow showed good tackling in space skills when running down the defensive player that picked his ball.

  13. 13 James Skip Carl said at 5:05 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    You joke look at Tebow s 3 cone, 666

  14. 14 RC5000 said at 10:49 PM on April 22nd, 2015:

    Tommy how do you account for defenses and what coaches require for LBs like Beasley , Dupree, and Gregory and also DL I.E. :Gregory was asked to be disciplined and stay in his gap most of the time which is what I heard from another guy who studies tape.

    The reason I ask is Marcus Smith was moved all over the place at Louisville. Is that how Davis was using Marcus in practice (if you even know since access is limited)?

  15. 15 D3FB said at 10:59 PM on April 22nd, 2015:

    Film evaluation is about determining skill set. Can he set the edge? Can he turn the corner? What kind of pass rush moves does he have in his arsenal? Can he play coverage? What’s his temperament? How is his hand usage? Does he get overwhelmed by “longer” blockers?

    You certainly take scheme into account when trying to asses these things. If a player is being asked to “mush rush” you can’t hold that against him and go “oh see he’s not even trying to beat the OT”. That’s why a deeper understanding of the game is so crucial to evaluation.

    Some guys you won’t know for certain based off game film. Some of these guys just didn’t drop into space, that’s where you try to get a feel for them when they are pursuing a play, or get caught one on one with a back in the open field and try to infer certain things. For those guys their secondary athleticism metrics (3 cone, short shuttle) also help give you a better idea.

    Also staying in your gap is not mutually exclusive to lining up in multiple positions. Those two aren’t antonyms. Freelancing would be the opposite of gap integrity.

  16. 16 RC5000 said at 11:09 PM on April 22nd, 2015:

    Thanks but I was wondering what Tommy did.

  17. 17 D3FB said at 11:11 PM on April 22nd, 2015:

    The same thing. It’s what anybody worth their salt does. Condescension appreciated.


  18. 18 ICDogg said at 10:59 PM on April 22nd, 2015:


  19. 19 SteveH said at 12:29 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Should have put Tommy’s face up there instead of Kiper’s. Someone photoshop that.

  20. 20 bubqr said at 3:46 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Draft Gurus gone wild? This adult video industry sure is expanding

  21. 21 GermanEagle said at 5:54 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I don’t want to see a porn starring Mel Kiper, ever!!!

  22. 22 bubqr said at 7:39 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Now if Tommy has a role…

  23. 23 GermanEagle said at 8:13 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Only if Megan Fox is involved!!!

  24. 24 GEAGLE said at 7:44 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    did you see the picture where they combined Mel Kiper with McShay? Funniest pic…

  25. 25 MattE said at 1:08 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd Todd….. I don’t care what anyone thinks Caliendo’s skits are funny.

  26. 26 Joe Minx said at 11:28 PM on April 22nd, 2015:

    This doesn’t mean Gregory…should be instantly removed from the draft board.

    He would be if it were up to me. He’s either a complete moron or a druggie, & I don’t want either one on my team.

    Love the Bilderberg Group reference though. 🙂

  27. 27 EagleNebula said at 12:29 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    if he tested positive for weed, then I would hardly call him a druggy. And idiot yes, druggy no. Considering the illegality of weed is currently being debated it may be viewed as him having a beer the night before the combine. If he was caught drinking a PBR would you call him an alcoholic? Probably not. An idiot? Definitely (no offense Tommy – I don’t mean to belittle the value of PBR as a PED).

    Actually, if weed does get legalized I could see it being popular with players for pain relief considering it is a safer alternative to the narcotics a lot of them are currently prescribed.

  28. 28 wee2424 said at 1:46 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I think it is already popular with ALOT of athletes. They just don’t get caught. For the record I am not anti cannabis.

  29. 29 eagleyankfan said at 7:22 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    A lot is putting it mildly. Most or > 50%. And the perform at a high level. Either you like the kid, or you don’t. What you don’t do is like him and say – oh well, I’m not drafting him because he had a mental lapse.
    What did that box smell like again in the A. Hernandez case?

  30. 30 Joe Minx said at 2:57 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    If he didn’t do it out of sheer stupidity then it was because he couldn’t help himself, even for that short span of time. That’s what would make him a druggie, or an addict- whichever word you might choose.

  31. 31 wee2424 said at 9:18 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Or someone that just doesn’t care.

  32. 32 EagleNebula said at 9:20 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I don’t want to argue semantics but yes addict is more appropriate than druggie. But keep in mind weed stays in your system for a long time. And without knowing the concentration it is hard to really tell anything from 1 failed test.

  33. 33 anon said at 10:11 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    or that you have no discipline

  34. 34 GEAGLE said at 7:43 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    believe it or not, coaches care much more and worry much more about the fact that he failed a known drug test, then they care about him smoking pot

  35. 35 EagleNebula said at 9:09 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    That speaks to him being an idiot, which was my point. Not planning ahead or thinking about the consequences of his actions. And I would expect the drug to be a factor in evaluation, weed is different from being caught using a PED or painkillers.

  36. 36 BobSmith77 said at 11:53 PM on April 22nd, 2015:

    Complete and utter failure if they get stuck at 20 and pick an OLB again.

    Fans would be livid and they would be right to be.

  37. 37 Mitchell said at 12:04 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Why? What if Dupree falls? Beasley? Too many pass rushers is a good thing.

  38. 38 SteveH said at 12:28 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Yeah, MSII might never get a sack in the league, and I like Graham but as a starting OLB (and primary pass rusher) he’s not ideal.

  39. 39 Mitchell said at 1:11 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    He may not but I still have faith in MSII. I saw too much potential while he was in college to say he is a bust, you know?

  40. 40 wee2424 said at 1:45 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    How so? I don’t think it’s a failure if they get a very good OLB. You need multiple good outside rushers in a 3-4. With that and an improved secondary this D could go from a weakness to a strength.

  41. 41 eagleyankfan said at 7:28 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    you mean “A Fan would be livid”?
    I’m going to be livid is something exciting doesn’t happen. And with the 20th pick, Eagles pick an OT. Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. No offense to OT’s. We need them. It’s just a boring pick. I want a huge jump up or a huge jump back. I want odd trades. I want head scratchers stuff. I want Bradford and Sanchez traded and Tebow named the starter. (ok, I just stepped over the line with that one, but it’s the excitement of the dice I want).
    I certainly don’t want another pick where the fans are screaming — oh yeah – you just wait 3 more years and you’ll eat your words about that pick.

  42. 42 James said at 9:21 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I think OL is exciting as hell, considering that means a more healthy Bradford.

  43. 43 eagleyankfan said at 9:39 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I wouldn’t argue the needs of a team. And Bradford would be happy. OL isn’t rolling dice and hoping hard 8 comes up. I want a big bet and throw the dice….

  44. 44 peteike said at 11:18 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    totally agree, make an exciting pick ha but thats just me being selfish as a fan.

  45. 45 makarov123 said at 3:01 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I would imagine Randy Gregory improved in 2014, but Draft Breakdown has a nice reel of the 2013 Nebraska-Penn State game. LT Donovan Smith appears to dominate Gregory pretty much the entire game:


  46. 46 GermanEagle said at 5:53 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    RG has written bust all over his pot head.

  47. 47 MattE said at 1:10 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    no that says bong on his head…..

    PSA: don’t hit kids, hit bongs.

  48. 48 Insomniac said at 5:57 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I just saw the news of Adrian Wilson retiring. That guy was the Dawkins of the west coast and doesn’t get as much love as Polamalu If there is ever a guy like him again then I hope like hell that Lurie or whoever gets him in the future.

  49. 49 Honest_T said at 7:11 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I’m speculating that we get Dion Jordan for a 4th round pick, as our project OLB. He was mis-cast as a 4-3 end in Miami, has a PED offense, and is not showing up for OTAs. Neither one wants the other and other than a sack and execllent coverage of Megatron in the end zone, his NFL highlight reel is non-existent entering year 3. Chip & Azz know this guy better than anyone and I think they bring him in to challenge MS2.

  50. 50 Greg Richards said at 7:24 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Doubt we’d give up a pick ofr him. More likely IMO is player swap.

  51. 51 Anders said at 7:39 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Why would Miami trade him when they still have dead money if they trade him?

  52. 52 Greg Richards said at 7:25 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=10495(This is Tony Pauline)

    “After my interview with Bull and Fox I made further inquiries and can
    confirm both the Chargers and Eagles are exploring the possibility of
    maneuvering up for Mariota through the Browns and both teams have had
    conversations on the topic. This of course is contingent on the Tampa
    Bay Buccaneers not selecting Mariota with the first pick, which is a
    greater possibility than many presently predict, as well as the Titans
    passing on the Heisman Trophy winner. A league source told me if the
    Titans are ready to deal the pick then the Browns hold the most powerful
    position in the draft and the ability to dictate whether they or
    another team make the move for Mariota.”

  53. 53 eagleyankfan said at 7:33 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Eagles are trading up for White, not Mariota. Mariota isn’t happening. Neither is White, but one man can hope.

  54. 54 GEAGLE said at 7:40 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    rather trade up for Dante Fowler

  55. 55 eagleyankfan said at 8:26 AM on April 23rd, 2015:


  56. 56 Greg Richards said at 7:40 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I don’t see them trading up with TB or TEN. Teams use that trade chart and that chart puts a premium on the 1st two picks. WAS even exceeded the chart to move up for Griffin a few years ago. The cost will go into the “mortgage the future” category that Kelly said he won’t pay. Now, if teams calll TEN’s bluff and let them take someone else, and Mariota is available at JAX or even more likely OAK’s pick, then all bets are off.

  57. 57 GEAGLE said at 7:42 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    that trade chart is dead. no one uses it any more. there is no consistency in terms of how teams value draft picks.. the value fluctuates now

  58. 58 Greg Richards said at 7:44 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    It’s still used roughly. The first trade in a draft usually sets the standard either high or low and then the 1st round trades in the draft will either be higher or lower than the trade chart until gradually shifting back to trade chart value as the draft goes on.

  59. 59 GEAGLE said at 7:48 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    no its really not….trade chart is dead…. one year moving up from 25 to 20 can cost a 3rd round pick, the next year we can see the same trade up cost a late 2nd and a 5th,,, no consistency in value from one year to the next anymore…

  60. 60 Birds4Life said at 9:46 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    It really depends on if there is a bidding war or not. If multiple teams want the pick, it will drive the price up. If not, then you might get the pick at a reduced value.

  61. 61 eagleyankfan said at 8:26 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Bingo. Does the trade chart include a starting QB like Bradford? That’s something Wash never had to use in their trade. And it’s CK. He doesn’t do anything conventional anyway…

  62. 62 peteike said at 11:17 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I think Rivers in the mix could actually mix up value more than Bradford, but throw both in the mix and it gets interesting at least.

  63. 63 GermanEagle said at 8:58 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    as much as I love KW, but I rather give our 20th I’ve pick to the Steelers than trading away multiple picks for the former.

  64. 64 eagleyankfan said at 9:36 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Brown is a beast…

  65. 65 GermanEagle said at 10:19 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    He’s not a top 3 WR by accident.

  66. 66 peteike said at 11:15 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    He and Boykin would have to make nice

  67. 67 Ben Hert said at 12:15 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    How’d that work out for Buffalo last year?

  68. 68 GEAGLE said at 7:39 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    if Dupree falls to #20, I dont think I could pass on him….
    Rand Gregory chip wont touch in round 1… Most coaches dont give a damn if you smoke pot, they care that you pass your drug tests. Plenty of NFL players smoke pot their entire career and its not a secret, but they have enough brains to not fail drug test
    Randy Gregory’s stock dropping probably means no shot Dupree falls to #20… Dupree is the Only OLB I would want in the early rounds. If we miss out on him, take a developmental project like Fua or Shaq Riddick late in the draft

  69. 69 Alistair Middlemiss said at 8:00 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Gregory’s issues are more complicated than your standard idiot who just likes to get high – he is a self professed addict working through the recovery process at the moment.

    Now if he can kick the habit you have a guy who can be a long term pro bowler – otherwise he will be out of the league in 3 years. Will depend on where he is in the recovery process and how all the off field scouting comes out. IF the Eagles are happy with him you draft him at 20, if not you don’t – we will not know till draft day.

    #Culture does not mean you need to be clean off the field – we have signed and resigned players with issues of a variety of types. What Chip cares about is commitment to football and a team first attitude.

  70. 70 GEAGLE said at 8:46 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    he already has a strike against him in the NFL program, next failed test and he is already suspeneded
    drafting an addict doesnt make me feel much better than drafting an idiot….. If we were ok with kids with problems like addiction, then please trade for Josh Gordon tomorrow, and sign Colt lyerla yesterday while we are at it

  71. 71 Mark F said at 7:50 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Actually with little body fat for THC to stick to, 4-5 days and a lot of water should do it… 😉 Besides pot was only categorized as a drug because the timber industry told Congress to go after them in the early 1900’s by piggy backing an agricultural bill, but I digress…

  72. 72 dislikedisqus said at 7:51 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Gregory reminds me so much of Anthony Barr last year. I didn’t like Barr because he’s too thin to set the edge. But he did well as a pass rusher.

    I just think the Eagles have far greater needs than OLB.

  73. 73 Greg Richards said at 12:50 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Barr was 6-5, 255. Gregory is 6-5, 235.

  74. 74 GEAGLE said at 7:51 AM on April 23rd, 2015:



    In a poll of 19 scouts, Dorial Green-Beckham received 7 1/2 votes as this year’s draft-eligible wide receiver most likely to bust.

    Michigan’s Devin Funchess came in second with 3 1/2 votes as likeliest to bust, while UCF’s Breshad Perriman garnered three votes and Auburn’s Sammie Coates two. Green-Beckham’s off-field issues have been well documented, though NFL personnel seem to have positive takeaways when they encounter him on a personal level. Whether DGB goes in the first round remains to be seen.
    In a poll of 19 NFL scouts, 12 named Alabama’s Amari Cooper the premier wide receiver in the 2015 draft class.

    He beat out West Virginia’s Kevin White, who received the other seven first-place votes. Using a “points” system based on votes from the scouts, the Journal-Sentinel rated Louisville’s DeVante Parker No. 3 among wide receivers, USC’s Nelson Agholor No. 4, and UCF’s Breshad Perriman No. 5. Jaelen Strong, Dorial Green-Beckham, and Devin Funchess rounded out the top eight.
    In a poll of 19 NFL executives done by the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, 10 named USC DT Leonard Williams as the No. 1 player in the 2015 draft.

    Alabama WR Amari Cooper finished a distant second with four votes. Oregon QB Marcus Mariota (2 1/2) was third, Florida DE/OLB Dante Fowler and Wisconsin RB Melvin Gordon each received one vote, and Georgia RB Todd Gurley got the final half-vote. (Notice Jameis Winston received no first-place votes.) Although there has been some recent scuttlebutt of Williams falling in the draft, it’s hard to imagine him getting past the Raiders at No. 4 or Redskins at No. 5. And Williams could still easily go second overall to the Titans.

  75. 75 GEAGLE said at 7:56 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    A source with knowledge of the situation tells Profootballtalk the Eagles have engaged in “no meaningful talks” regarding Sam Bradford’s contract.

    Bradford, of course, is entering a contract year. At very least, it suggests the Eagles want to keep their options open at quarterback. ESPN’s Adam Schefter and CBS Sports’ Jason La Canfora have both recently stated they believe the Eagles remain in the hunt for Marcus Mariota. A source told PFT that Bradford would be unwilling to do an extension with a team other than Philadelphia, were he used as a trade chip. He is willing to sign long term with the Eagles.
    Asked Wednesday whether he’s discussed a Philip Rivers trade with the Titans, Chargers GM Tom Telesco replied “I’m going to leave that go.”

    Telesco had a prime opportunity to shoot down trade rumors and commit to Rivers as the Chargers’ 2015 starter. Instead, Telesco was noncommittal and used careful word choice, stating only that it is the Chargers’ “plan and intent” for Rivers to stay with the team. Per beat writer Michael Gehlken, the possibility of the Chargers trading Rivers in a deal to acquire Oregon QB Marcus Mariota “seemed real before Telesco stepped to the podium around 11 a.m. Wednesday,” and “didn’t appear any more ficticious when he left it 33 minutes later.”

  76. 76 Alistair Middlemiss said at 8:06 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    The no meaningful talks with Bradford is a null story. There is no point at this stage.

    There is a chance of a trade, we have no idea how draft day works out and who we can land at QB and how that effects long term plans.

    Bradford has not thrown a meaningful pass in 2 1/2 years, the Eagles will want to look at him in their building and running their offence before offering up $$’s. We have the franchise tag and plenty of time to sign an extension over the next 22months if we decide we want to make a long term commitment.

  77. 77 Alistair Middlemiss said at 8:10 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Oh and the Rivers trade is on if someone meets the Chargers price. You don’t spend 33 minutes not confirming that he will NOT be traded if he is not on the block. Unless the Titans are idiots (and they could be) this is a deal which should get done. Rivers has 5-7 years left – 3-5 at least at a pro bowl level.

    Of course the thing that may screw this all up is if Bucs take Mariota…

  78. 78 RobNE said at 8:42 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    we have no idea what the Chargers think of MM. I also have no idea whether Tampa wants a 33 year old QB. Their window just might not fit with River’s peak years.

    The conclusion above is “the possibility…seems real”. That’s true about almost everything.

  79. 79 GEAGLE said at 8:50 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    you dont spend two days in Eugene Oregon if you werent at least willing to consider trading Rivers…. problem is we have no idea how the chargers feel after spending two days with Marriota. Just because they went and had dinner and a workout with him, doesnt automatically mean that they LOVED what the saw….

  80. 80 BobSmith77 said at 12:40 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Rivers has 5-7 years left as an NFL starter at age 34 this year? Say more like 3-4 and maybe 1-2 as an elite starter (Top 10 starter).

  81. 81 GermanEagle said at 8:12 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    And with the 20th pick in the first round, the Philadelphia Eagles select

    Antonio Brown, WR from Pittsburgh


  82. 82 unhinged said at 8:31 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    235 was Gregory’s combine weight. His reported playing weight was 245. I love the guy’s on-the-field demeanor. He seeks out contact on every snap. He takes on bigger opponents to bust up running plays. He uses his long arms to keep OT’s from controlling him. He has the strength and agility to shutdown TE’s. I don’t think the team that gets Gregory will regret the pick.

  83. 83 GEAGLE said at 8:43 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    i heard he played at 221lbs…

  84. 84 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:02 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    If Gregory falls to 20 there must be some serious red flags. You don’t want to go through what Cleveland went through with Josh Gordon.

  85. 85 D3FB said at 4:00 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I’ve seen reports his weight fluxuated up and down durng the season and he was 220 at times.

  86. 86 370HSSV 0773H said at 8:35 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I think corner and o-line are far more important this year and wouldn’t draft a d-lineman in the first round that won’t be a starter.

  87. 87 Ben said at 8:36 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    With the additions this off season, I personally don’t see the eagles picking an OLB at 20.
    If we didn’t trade Shady for Kiko then maybe, but how many OLB can one team need?
    I guess if Dupree falls to 20 then yeah, you pull the trigger but other than that happening, I would much rather the Eagles go O line with pick 1.
    Hopefully Fisher or Clemmings are still there.
    I too like Harold in the 2nd but I don’t think Dupree falls to 20.

  88. 88 GEAGLE said at 8:42 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    kiko isnt an OLB bud, he is an ILB

  89. 89 unhinged said at 8:43 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    What is the credible rationale for a playoff-caliber team (Chargers) letting their franchise QB go, when his departure severely hurts their playoff aspiration/s? And then, WTF is Tennessee going to do with a 33-year old signal-caller? They have very little hope of a wild-card berth despite Rivers’ presence. This makes no sense to me.

  90. 90 RobNE said at 8:46 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    exactly, thank you.

  91. 91 Anders said at 8:54 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    The AFC isnt strong and the Titans isnt that bad outside of at QB. Rivers could potential do the same for the Titans as Brees did for the Saints.

  92. 92 GermanEagle said at 8:55 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    The Titans roster is one of the worst on paper.

  93. 93 Anders said at 9:06 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    They have some potential good players. Just having zero good QB play can make the rest look bad.

  94. 94 GermanEagle said at 9:06 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    No, their roster is BAD!

  95. 95 D3FB said at 3:59 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I’ll have to disagree with that.
    That have a decent front 3
    Their 4 LB spots all go legit 2 deep which is crazy good
    You could do much worse than Cox, Searcy, Griffin, and McCourty as your starting DB’s.

    Kendall Wright, Justin Hunter, Harry Douglas, Delaine Walker, and Bishop Sankey make up a decent starting skill position 5. Not menacing, but effective.

    Lewan and Schwenke are both talented young OL, that’s your LT and C, the two most important spots.
    Warmack has been inconsistent, but if he ever clicks, that changes the dynamic of that OL. Levitre has been a FA bust, and I couldn’t tell you a thing about their RT.

  96. 96 anon said at 5:48 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Thier team probably looks as stacked as the eagles do, and if they can roll 3 1sts out of the #2 pick the can at least compete in that terrible division.

  97. 97 anon said at 9:03 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    rivers doesn’t want to re-sign if they move to la. he’s in the final year of his deal. so they could lose him for free to try to get value. wisenhunt wants rivers to try and save his job. rivers loves wisenhunt and has ties to Tennessee.

  98. 98 Anders said at 9:06 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Marynowitz: Reid was more willing to take risks on height/weight than Kelly. Cited Brian Roller as an example.— Eagles Insider (@EaglesInsider) 23. april 2015

    Haha a special shout out for one of Tommy’s favorit college players

  99. 99 James said at 9:11 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    lol, the Eagles cant even spell his name correctly

  100. 100 Mitchell said at 10:12 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Maybe it was a nickname: Brian “High Roller” Rolles.

  101. 101 truehaynes said at 10:43 AM on April 23rd, 2015:


  102. 102 Mitchell said at 11:54 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Lol. I can’t even spell. Fixed. Thanks.

  103. 103 RobNE said at 9:42 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    the little fireball of hate or whatever Tommy called him

  104. 104 Anders said at 12:28 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Think it was just “little ball of hate”

  105. 105 Avery Greene said at 9:12 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Just want to share a story:

    My dad who’s in his mid-70s has been a Philly sports fan his whole life (he should be he grew up there). I called him last night and we were talking about the Eagles, and I told him I wanted to draft to happen because I can’t handle some of the crazy rumors. I just wanted it to end. His response?

    “I love it. This has been the most exciting Eagles offseason that I can remember. No one knows what CK is doing, we’re not sure if he knows what he’s doing, but it’s surely is entertaining.”

    I think he’s right, this has been an entertaining offseason.

  106. 106 A_T_G said at 9:22 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Is this not why you are here? (refresh)

  107. 107 Avery Greene said at 9:33 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    It’s exactly why I’m here, and not extremely productive at work. The first week of free agency, I’m sure the City of Philadelphia’s productivity dipped by 50%-60%.

  108. 108 Tdoteaglefan said at 1:38 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    yup, man I’m from Toronto and my productivity’s probably dipped by that same amount. I’ve been an obsessed fan for over 20 years but can’t remember being this obsessed during an offseason…2004 is probably the closest i’ve been to feeling this way

  109. 109 Avery Greene said at 9:34 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    BTW – awesome pic.

  110. 110 A_T_G said at 9:37 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Another example of why this place is great. I lack the skills, but put out a request. Baloophi created it within the hour.

  111. 111 Bert's Bells said at 9:53 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I agree. I hate getting into player’s money/personal drama -that’s usually what goes on during the offseason for idiot fans like us.

    Chip’s made these past months of Eagles football fun.

  112. 112 laeagle said at 2:12 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I was saying pretty much the same thing to my brother yesterday. If the NFL wants to be a year-round sport, it simply needs to clone Chip Kelly.

  113. 113 James said at 9:28 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    ManOwitz is speaking at pe.com

  114. 114 GEAGLE said at 9:54 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    marynowitz handled himself well at his first press conference

  115. 115 unhinged said at 10:00 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I thought he handled the bottle of water well, but as for himself…I couldn’t make that assessment.

  116. 116 Javi Echie said at 2:13 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I disagree with you. He absolutely seemed to handle the situation properly. He knew what questions to answer and not answer and he gave insightful answers to the questions thrown at him.

  117. 117 A_T_G said at 2:45 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I believe he was making a penis-related joke.

  118. 118 Javi Echie said at 2:56 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Oh well in that case, touché.

  119. 119 Mitchell said at 10:16 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    As far as OLB’s go, I think Mauldin would draw some interest. He doesn’t have fantastic agility by any means but I hear he is a high character guy and a proficient run stopper and decent in coverage. I think he would be more of a power rusher. I could see him in the future, gaining a bit more weight and driving right into the soul of the OL. I think we take a look in the 3d/4th but who knows, he may get taken in the second with such a premium on pass rushers. Did I mention he has dreads?

  120. 120 unhinged said at 6:06 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    He appears to have an appetite for contact that his former teammate was knocked for not having.

  121. 121 Avery Greene said at 10:24 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    OMG – today the draft game didn’t think anyone liked receivers this year.

    Your score is: 4634 (GRADE: B-)

    Your Picks:
    Round 2 Pick 9 (STL): Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami (Fla.) (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 20: Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 8 (STL): Nelson Agholor, WR, Southern California (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 20: Jeremiah Poutasi, OT/OG, Utah (D)
    Round 4 Pick 14: Jesse James, TE, Penn State (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 9: Alani Fua, OLB, Brigham Young (B)
    Round 5 Pick 20: Kyle Emanuel, OLB, North Dakota State (C-)
    Round 6 Pick 20: Terry Poole, OT, San Diego State (D-)
    Round 7 Pick 20: Ryan Russell, DE, Purdue (D)

  122. 122 Truthsayer said at 10:24 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    We didn’t understand the pick for Marcus Smith last year when it happened and almost a year later it still confuses us. Truly a waste of a first round pick.

  123. 123 mksp said at 12:37 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Most people here understood it and were happy with it.

  124. 124 Truthsayer said at 1:28 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    OK. Are they still happy since he couldn’t get on the field even when we lost people to injuries?

  125. 125 Mitchell said at 1:33 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Yeh I’m still happy with it because its ignorant expect much from a first year pass rusher who we knew needed work on his pass rushing skills and gaining some more functional strength. Also, I can’t blame him for being stuck behind 3 veterans in Cole, Barwin and Graham. Furthermore I can’t blame him for not getting on the field as an ILB where the injuries were because it is a completely position. I expect more from his this year, it’s not a wasted pick. Stop trying to crucify him, he was a freaking rookie.

  126. 126 Javi Echie said at 1:48 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Save your breath Mitchell because some people are just too blind to see what was standing in MS2’s way last year. Me personally I am at the point where if I have to explain the same thing you just did my head might explode lol

  127. 127 Truthsayer said at 2:01 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I get that rookies are not expected to be starters on most teams their first year. I think that a first round pick should show some development or improvement over the course of the season and it is clear to many that MS failed to do that. I expect that a first round pick would make it on the field by the end of a season, barring any injuries.

  128. 128 Mitchell said at 2:08 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Wait, who is it clear to? I didn’t see him practice everyday. He did make it on the field and again, he was stuck behind 3 vet olbs all at least above average. I don’t understand where the huge impact could have been made. are you just frustrated he didn’t show anything on the field? I would have loved to see a couple sacks or something and we probably would have if Graham wouldn’t have been so efffectice in limited snaps.

  129. 129 anon said at 2:26 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    “I would have loved to see a couple sacks” OR “I would have loved to see a couple [snaps]”. There were plenty of opportunities to play him. Connor doesn’t need to play EVERY snap.

  130. 130 Jernst said at 3:13 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I think MSII is going to surprise a lot of people. I really liked the little bit of film I saw on him and he looked to be a really good athlete with the right kind of frame needed to play the position. This wasn’t a 225 pound fast ball that we drafted. He’s 6’4″ 260 pounds. It was clear that he was going to basically redshirt his first year. However, if the Eagles go OLB in round 1 or he shows no progress at all this year and can’t even get on special teams again in year two, then it’s time to consider the fact that he might be a bust. But, people need to give the kid a chance.

  131. 131 GEAGLE said at 3:51 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    ignorant is the best way to describe it… people are out of their friggin minds. lol talking about a bust after a rookie season… do people ever learn anything?

  132. 132 mksp said at 2:06 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I think most people understand he was raw and needed to put some muscle on and learn the position. If he’s not getting on the field this year, then yeah, its a problem.

  133. 133 Truthsayer said at 2:29 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I am going to write it down that he does not make it on the field this year. Hope he proves me wrong. He did not seem close last year.

  134. 134 Birds4Life said at 2:55 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    What OLBs ahead of him were hurt last year? He got a look at ILB because of injuries, but ILB and OLB are not the same position.

  135. 135 GermanEagle said at 10:54 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    According to Marynowizz the Eagles would like to pick at least 8 times or more in this year’s draft. If Chip still wants to keep those picks while uptrading for his beloved son, parting ways with the “trade bait 6” [as Jimmy K. likes to call them] might be inevitable…

  136. 136 EagleNebula said at 11:21 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    7 days until we are all (if we don’t trade up):

  137. 137 Jernst said at 11:32 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    If we go out of our way to draft an OLB early, I think that’s a pretty strong indication that MSII is a total bust. The thing with players like MSII who are taken early and do absolutely nothing is that there’s two possibilities. Either the team that drafted them, knew they were getting a project that needed to essentially redshirt their first year, but they expected a high return on that investment eventually or they expected a typical rookie year from a first round pick and were caught completely off gaurd when the kid showed up and couldn’t play or contribute at all.

    If we draft an OLB in the first round, I think that’d be pretty conclusive that we don’t have high hopes for MSII in year two or maybe ever. Therefore, it’s likely that we didn’t draft him last year knowing he’d be unable to contribute year one, but once he put on strength would have a high ceiling. Instead we most likely were caught off gaurd by how bad he actually is.

    I just can’t fathom how teams can be that off on their evaluation of a player. How do you watch every snap a kid plays, run him through a gauntlet of athletic ability tests, measure every inch of his body, interview him multiple times, invite him to work out at your facility and then end up caught off gaurd by the almost immediate realization that he can’t play at all. Because it’s not like he got here and was given a chance to play and failed. It seems like the coaches realized almost immediately that he couldn’t play.

  138. 138 Avery Greene said at 11:41 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    They knew he was raw coming in, but if an OLB is BPA in their opinion, then they have to take him. Barwin isn’t getting younger and they’ll need 2 OLBs that can man the outside.

  139. 139 Jernst said at 3:07 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I agree with the BPA mentality. However, Graham is 27 and Barwin is 28, MSII is 23. How many premium resources do you need to spend on OLB when you have 2 players that are in their prime and one that should be entering his prime? If the plan is to have our first round pick back up Graham or Barwin for the next 3-4 years, while 2014’s first round pick also backs up those two for the foreseable future, then I don’t like the plan.

  140. 140 Avery Greene said at 3:10 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I don’t know why I though Barwin was like 31. This I agree with, though I really think CK is trading down and getting more players.

  141. 141 anon said at 5:50 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I do’nt think CK will necessary be a pick accumulation type of guy.

  142. 142 Alistair Middlemiss said at 12:12 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I think MSII has a higher floor than most people think. He has the athletic measurables to be a very good all round OLB, with good coverage ability in the flat, able to play the run and contribute with sacks when in favourable situations (Stunts and vs TE’s).

    The big question is if he can beat LT’s 1v1. He has not shown that in college or the NFL so far, and that is the big question he needs to develop 2-3 pass rush moves that allows him to at least occationally beat a LT 1v1.

    At worst he is a solid back up / rotational player for Barwin who in 2-3 years time will hopefully have built up enough experience to be a functional pass rusher.

    IF he can develop as a quality passrusher he will contribute well spelling brandon graham and maybe even taking over from him.

    That does not stop you drafting an OLB if it is available at 20 that you really like especially if they are a more natural pass rusher.

    OLB in this scheme is very very hard for a rookie. You have to be solid in all 3 area’s – run, coverage and pass rush to get on the field, and for any college player that is a LOT to learn. If you look at successful year 1 OLB’s they tend to just be allowed to rush the passer exclusively like Aldon Smith in his first year, problem was that’s smiths weakest suit, and he had 2 quality players in front of him which is rare for first round OLB’s.

    I think Smith will be a 35% of snaps and a 4-5 sack guy this season if there are no injuries to Barwin/Graham – and that puts him on track for where the Eagles want/need him to be.

  143. 143 Mac said at 3:35 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    OLB is one of the easiest positions to “miss” on in the first round of the draft. I was really impressed when I saw how athletic MSII looked on the field in preseason. Hopefully he can pull it all together (more muscle and mastering mental aspects) this offseason. Regardless of whether the coaches think he will be good or not… I do NOT want another RD 1 OLB!

  144. 144 Jason said at 2:04 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    If a promising edge pass rusher falls to Eagles early, it could allow them to shift Marcus Smith into the Jack rotation behind Barwin instead of the Predator spot behind Graham. That wouldn’t necessarily spell the end of Smith, it would just seek to emphasize his athleticism in coverage as opposed to pass rush.

  145. 145 Jernst said at 3:03 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Not the end for sure. But certainly if the ultimate plan is to have two consecutive first round picks back up two players that we have locked up long term.

  146. 146 GEAGLE said at 3:48 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    couldnt possibly disagree more…

  147. 147 eagleyankfan said at 5:38 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I’m on the fence. Well, I expected a little more out of him last year. however, last year has nothing to do with this year so I haven’t lost hope for the kid. Way to early to say he’s a bust.

  148. 148 GermanEagle said at 11:48 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I am afraid I will have to start drinking early next Thursday. The first round could be over much sooner for Eagles fans…

  149. 149 Avery Greene said at 11:56 AM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I’ll be in class at the beginning of the draft. If it’s over early, no reason to rush home and settle in. If it’s not, I can grab some wings and hang out in front of the tv until our pick.

  150. 150 GermanEagle said at 12:00 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    That’s a late class, mate?!

    I’ll be in my local pub from 7pm. When does the draft officially start?

  151. 151 Avery Greene said at 12:19 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I work full-time during the day (though you wouldn’t know since I post during the day), so it’s the only way to get the class in. The draft starts at 8PM EST, I’m outta class at 9PM, and home by 945 in time for any Eagles fun. Unless they trade up for Mariota,

  152. 152 OregonDucker said at 12:45 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Better set your DVR then.

  153. 153 Avery Greene said at 1:33 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I won’t know how I feel if we get Mariota. It depends on what we give up.

  154. 154 Rambo said at 4:18 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I’m with you on that feeling.

  155. 155 OregonDucker said at 7:30 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Captain Ahab met his doom hunting Moby Dick, the great white whale. Let’s hope Chip fairs better.

  156. 156 Honest_T said at 8:14 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    That is the best analogy of the situation I’ve seen. Well said!

  157. 157 ACViking said at 2:05 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    OD . . .

    Should I have the sail up on the ACV knaar?

    Saved for special occasions.

    (Otherwise, I use the motor.)

  158. 158 OregonDucker said at 4:09 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Set sail …. fer me thinks I see the whale sire. Thar she blows Capt’n! It’s the whale from hell fer sure!

  159. 159 Rambo said at 4:17 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Getting me excited. Gosh next Thursday can’t get here fast enough.

  160. 160 A_T_G said at 3:47 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Pace yourself, there could be over a hundred picks between our first selection and our next one.

  161. 161 Greg Richards said at 5:04 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    They’ll get to pick 20 and then trade down into the 2nd round. All of Eagles’ fandom will have a massive case of blue balls.

  162. 162 GEAGLE said at 5:33 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    hope so!!! thats whats best for this organization… trade back once to #27… once we get to #27, trade back again to like the 4th pick in round 2, so a team can trade back into the end of round 1 for Hundley…. and we get two extra 3rd round picks, at the very least
    Marynowitz himsels said there are only 8 or 10 impact players at the top of the draft.. doubt there is much difference between the player we will get at #20 and the player we would get at #35, and if there isnt a significant difference in talent, might as well take the extra draft pick trading back4
    At the very least trade back once and take someone like Byron Jones at like #28 and get an extra 3rd round pick… there will be a quality WR or DB to chose from late round 1, early round 2…some quality OL too

  163. 163 anon said at 5:51 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    if CK takes MM he’s got to live and die by that decision. However, if CK doesn’t take MM and SB gets hurt it’s a lost season and we’ll be wondering why CK put the franchise in the hands of a guy that hasn’t played in 2 years b/c of injury..

  164. 164 GEAGLE said at 6:28 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    if chip kelly drafts MM its also a lost season… where we going with a rookie? 9-7 if we are lucky? kid isnt half as ready as bradford to pass against NFL defenses..
    heck, they may start sanchez in september if they draft MM, so dont talk to me about a lost season, because if we are going to be short sited and speak in terms of next season, Sam Bradford staying healthy is literally our only hope of competing in the playoffs… sanchez has no shot to take us to the playoffs, and neither does Rookie MM or Rookie Winston’,,
    Bradford is risky, but comes with high reward, and since its only a 1yr deal, and my only chance at instant gratification, Id rather role the dice with Sam, who was a level ahead of both winston and Marriota coming out of the draft just a few years ago..that arm talent, quick release hasnt gone away because of a knee injury…

  165. 165 anon said at 6:33 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I agree we’re not winning anything with a rookie QB, but at least you don’t have to make a decision of whether or not to extend him. I think SB is better than MM or any other prospect in this draft, based on college tape and the prettiness of the balls that he throws.

    We’re just in a tough situation either way.

  166. 166 GEAGLE said at 6:59 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    even if we trade for Marriota, I dont think we will trade Bradford, because I dont believe that a team will let us have their #2 pick in the draft for a package that includes Bradford without him agreeing to an extension which he already announced he wouldnt do,…
    If a team takes Bradford as part of the package, they will be getting at least 1 first round pick less then what they can get in return if they dont include Bradford in the deal, so I really have a hard time believing Bradford will be moved on draft night because I dont believe the eagles and the team we are doing business with can agree on Bradfords value.. The eagles paid Foles and next yerars 2nd round pick for him, so we will value him in the trade probably more then the team trading away the top 5 pick for a QB with durability concerns who wont even sign an extension with them.. band sanchez is untradeable
    so even if the eagles get Marriotta or some other young QB, i would assume both sanchez and Bradford would be here next year, which makes me wonder if this means that the eagles arent planning on drafting a QB next week… if the eagles were really planning on drafting a QB and im right that a team wont want bradford in return since he wont sign an extension, there would be no reason at all to sign tebow, because the rookie would be a lock to make the roster, and Sam and Sanchez would both still be here for a year…. so either:
    1) Tim Tebow was brought in as just a favor to his agent or Urban Meyer and we dont really view him as competing for a roster spot
    2)im wrong and some team is dumb enough to value a QB that wont sign an extension with them, over a top 5 draft pick that they can have under contract for the next 5 years at a pretty cheap cost
    3) The eagles have NO INTENTION to add a QB next week, since at the current moment we have 4 QBs on our roster, sanchez wont be traded, and i dont think anyone will take bradford in a trade for a top 5 pick
    its not that i think teams wont value Bradford at all if he doesnt sign the extension… but if you can have 2 first round picks and sam bradford on a 1yr deal, or you can ask for 3 first round picks, are you really going to take the 2 first rounders and a QB you may not be able to keep longterm?… we are talking about the #2 pick in the draft, the opportunity cost of trading that pick away can be pretty high…

  167. 167 Greg Richards said at 7:03 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Sam Bradford excels, Marcus Mariota excels – Praise Chip
    Bradford gets hurt/sucks, Mariota flowers – Just blame Howie

  168. 168 Greg Richards said at 12:58 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    According to Lance Zierlein, Shane Ray will likely need foot surgery and could be out 5 months. Could drop out of Rd 1. I realize Ray probably wasn’t a fit for Eagles anyway but he was a likely top 20 pick before and that just moves up one guy that we thought we might get at 20 to ahead of our pick.

  169. 169 GEAGLE said at 3:46 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    highly doubt he drops out of round 1…. and conflicting reports about whether he will need toe surgery or just take some time to let it heal which he didnt do with all the predraft stuff…
    im not his biggest fan, but he seems to be wired to play Nasty and Violent, and I dig that…
    Ray wont fall out of round 1, but it will probably mean Dupree and Beasly dont get passed #12…

  170. 170 BobSmith77 said at 1:00 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    It kind of blows my mind that there is so much discussion of Winston’s stupid story about the ‘stolen’ crab legs vs all of the other things he did/didn’t possibly do

  171. 171 ACViking said at 2:03 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    No dispute.

    No remorse.

    Entitlement-syndrome on display.

    Very easy story with which to run.

  172. 172 CrackSammich said at 2:30 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    It’s interesting to see the inner workings there, because in this story he really has no reason to be dishonest. The other stories, you could see a reason to lie.

  173. 173 Jernst said at 3:08 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Yea I’d be slightly more concerned with the whole rape thing if you asked me…

  174. 174 D3FB said at 3:41 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    That’s intentional from Winstons camp.

    It’s scandalous enough to get everyone all worked up over just exactly what and how things happened with the crab legs. Ultimately it won’t affect public perception of him anymore than it already is, and people are too busy talking about how a deli counter at piggly wiggly works to talk about the rape investigation.

  175. 175 OregonDucker said at 1:30 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Seeing Kempski’s summary of Chip’s draft selection criteria as outlined by Mano, prompted me to post at K’s site. http://www.phillyvoice.com/marynowitz-eagles-3-part-evaluation-draft-prospect/

    “decision-matrix method, also Pugh method, Pugh Concept Selection is a quantitative technique used to rank the multi-dimensional options of an option set.” – Wikipedia

    Chip was taught this method by a professor at Oregon. Think he’s using it in Philly? Yes!

  176. 176 OregonDucker said at 1:36 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Here is a quick summary of the Pugh Method

    “A weighted decision matrix operates in the same way as the basic decision matrix but introduces the concept of weighting the criteria in order of importance. The resultant scores better reflect the importance to the decision maker of the criteria involved. The more important the criteria the higher the weighting it should be given. Each of the potential options are scored and also multiplied by the weighting given to each of the criteria in order to produce a result.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision-matrix_method

  177. 177 GermanEagle said at 1:49 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Not sure if Mychal Kendricks scores high according to this method.

  178. 178 A_T_G said at 3:41 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    A player of his stature won’t score well in the heavily weighted categories.

  179. 179 Mac said at 3:46 PM on April 23rd, 2015:


  180. 180 Anders said at 3:53 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Outside of his height, why shouldn’t he score high?

  181. 181 eagleyankfan said at 5:32 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    If you don’t know what’s the most important(defined by CK) how can you know?

  182. 182 unhinged said at 5:50 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    If I understand this, it is a quantitative methodology for making decisions within a given framework that helps to move from the purely subjective toward the ideal objective. If that is correct, I would think that its effectiveness is largely dependent upon detail, specificity and a continual development and refinement of criteria. Cool.

  183. 183 OregonDucker said at 7:02 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Yes, you are correct unhinged. I actually use this same method to select a used/new car.

    You still never know if it’s a lemon though, just like the draft.

  184. 184 Tyler Perry's Madea Mike said at 1:41 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    PUKE method and all its fans are scum!

  185. 185 76mustang said at 3:38 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Another reason why the vast majority of media “analysis” is completely lacking – especially on TV. You’d think there’d be interns seeking entry into the profession that could take a stab at modeling the Pugh Method for a few select teams and proffer the results to one of the mouthpieces for an alternate scenario…I nominate you OregonDucker…geterdone!

  186. 186 ICDogg said at 4:35 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    As opposed to the Pepe Le Pew method of scent selection


  187. 187 eagleyankfan said at 5:33 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    hmmm, people on here told me there’s only 1 method that ALL GM’s have to follow…..

  188. 188 Mac said at 4:08 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    If Dupree is on board at 20 (and we actually stand pat) I would think that would be the perfect opportunity to trade back and get some additional ammo for round 2 or 3. My ideal is still trying to come away with 3 of these guys: Clemmings, Fisher, Byron Jones, Rowe (willing to settle for Marpet in place of one of those 4 guys).

  189. 189 D3FB said at 8:56 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    You want to come away with 3 guys that could all very likely be gone before pick 32?

  190. 190 Mac said at 9:56 AM on April 24th, 2015:

    True, it just seems like picks roughly 15-50 are going to be a total crap shoot this year. I just like all those guys so much as prospects specifically for the Eagles. In the end, I’m sure you’re right that it’s unrealistic.

  191. 191 GEAGLE said at 4:14 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Marynowitz on multiple occasions wanted to make it clear that we will take “The Best player available according to our scheme and system” which can be different from the consensus BPA..
    Landon Collins may be the consensus 20th rated player in the draft, but he could be the 67th rated prospect for us because he isnt as good in our scheme as he can be in other schemes that will let him play in the box and function as a Quasi LB.. Heck he may be removed from our draft board all together..

    The ONLY reason fans ripped the MS2 pick wasnt because people didnt like Marcus or had any idea what type of player he was, they ripped the pick because it didnt match fans expectations after listening to McShay and Kiper for Months… Kiper is rating the prospects generally speaking.
    when we take a look at Kipers top 50, we arent seeing the top 50 in terms of fit for our defense and Offense…. To immediately rip our draft pick because it doesnt match the expectations the media put in your heads means you really think Mel Kiper knows whats best for our defense and offense better then Marynowitz and chip, and thats just ridiculous.
    I really really hope I stop seeing this fanbase crap all over a young man as soon as we draft him… if Mel Kiper really KNOWS BETTER then Chjip or Marynmowitz we are SCREWED and we have bigger problems then ripping a draft pick..
    When Fans rip a draft pick immediately, it doesnt mean chip doesnt know what he is doing, if you rip a pick immediately it means the media that put the expectations in your head didnt know WTF it was talking about…. because if these Sheep saw every mock draft ;last year mock Marcus smith in the 15-20 range, all the dopes that ripped the kid as soon as he was drafted would have LOVED getting a kid they saw mocked around #15, after we traded back to #26…
    For once can we not assume that Mel Kiper knows whats best for our team more then Chip Kelly does?
    Disgusting to see a city crap all over a young man that we draft immediately, just because he didnt match the expectations hack media put in out heads during the pre draft process

  192. 192 oreofestar said at 6:03 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I don’t like Collins but if he’s there and they want to make an exception I won’t be upset

  193. 193 GEAGLE said at 6:15 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    huh? Landon Collins? fughedaboutit…wont happen..

  194. 194 Bert's Bells said at 6:08 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Lots of people had a legitimate grief about MSII (and I say this as a person who’s looking forward to seeing him play this year and don’t have a problem with any pick since the guys in the draft room have more information, more football smarts than me and know what they’re doing) that a first round pick should be an immediate contributor. Even on draft day he didn’t look like that. First round “projects” are never popular because they rarely pay dividends.

  195. 195 BreakinAnklez said at 7:15 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I’m willing to give the guy a chance. Is it disappointing? Sure…but I didn’t want to take Cole/Barwin/Graham off the field either so….

    It is amusing all the armchair gm’s who watch YouTube videos on the Internet and suddenly know who can run routes, who’s good and who sucks.

  196. 196 Bert's Bells said at 8:02 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    People like to complain. It’s fun.

    Even so, I agree -whining about a player after one season (or before he’s even taken the field) seems like its just cheering him to fail.

  197. 197 mksp said at 4:34 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Evan Mathis seems like a chill guy, but I could bake enough pretzels to feed the city of Philadelphia for a year with the amount of salt this guy puts out there.

    Zach Berman ‏@ZBerm 4m4 minutes ago
    Marynowitz on his youth for his role: ““Age is not a factor, in my opinion.” Cited those his age+younger who had similar job in other sports

    Evan Mathis ‏@EvanMathis69 10s10 seconds ago
    @ZBerm ironic


  198. 198 botto said at 4:56 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    its not ironic.
    age is not factor for a desk job but it is for a offensive linemen
    mathis is smarter then that

  199. 199 Brian Pillion said at 5:18 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Evidently Evan Mathis has not sent ‘The Trip to Italy’, and is still living in a pre-Coogan/Brydon-deconstruction of Alanis Morrissette’s ‘Ironic’ twitterverse. That’s ironic. Wait?

  200. 200 Joe Minx said at 5:20 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Think it’s starting to become clear why they’re so willing to let him go. Great player, good dude, but that’s probably annoying as f*** to deal with on a daily basis.

  201. 201 GEAGLE said at 6:36 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    i would like to draft two OL, two WR, Two DBs, TE jesse james and an edge rusher…
    so if i get my way and they draft a G/C and a G/T, they can trade or cut mathis if he is that unhappy here, but ideally we keep Mathis and still draft two OLineman to build some serious depth.. Plenty of OL combo’s I like:
    Jake Fisher and Grasu the Oregon boys
    TJ Clemmings and Daryl Washington
    DJ Humphries and Laken

  202. 202 Greg Richards said at 5:19 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    This is a little soon to ask this, but what has been the policy here in years past with respect to draft spoilers: do people post the picks as soon as they are revealed on twitter or do by consensus do people hold off for those who like to wait until it is actually announced by Goodell(or whatever suit does it later)?

  203. 203 anon said at 5:35 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    People post picks as soon as they find out, there is no consensus though I’d prefer if people waitied until the live broadcast, especially in round 1 pick 2 or 20. Other teams I don’t care

  204. 204 RobNE said at 6:22 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    People post right away and others complain.

  205. 205 BreakinAnklez said at 7:05 PM on April 23rd, 2015:


  206. 206 GEAGLE said at 5:25 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    lol Damn, you hate my 7th round pick like that? wtf..


    Round 1 Pick 28 (DEN): Byron Jones, CB/FS, Connecticut (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 27 (DEN): Nelson Agholor, WR, Southern California (A)
    Round 3 Pick 2 (TENN): Laken Tomlinson, OG, Duke (A)
    Round 3 Pick 20: Daryl Williams, OT, Oklahoma (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 30 (G.B.): Tyler Lockett, WR, Kansas State (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 14: Jesse James, TE, Penn State (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 2 (TENN): Clayton Geathers, SS, UCF (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 9: Alani Fua, OLB, Brigham Young (B)
    Round 6 Pick 20: Jake Ryan, OLB/ILB, Michigan (B+)
    Round 7 Pick 20: Ellis McCarthy, DT, UCLA (F)


  207. 207 GEAGLE said at 6:14 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Marynowitz claims that the Eagles were impressed with the improvements Tebow showed during his workout compared to when they saw him in person at the joint training camp practices with the Patriots…
    On the Radio, Greg Cossell was asked, “let me ask you what you think about Tebow?”… He gave the perfect response: “Why? lol…… think any other cities care to talk about their 3rd string QBs?..
    House: “I honestly believe that everybody who was trying to help Tim, everybody who thought they “fixed” him, they probably did temporarily fix him. But Tim didn’t have enough repetition for it to become autonomic. When he got into competition, with the stresses and anxieties that come with the competitive situation, he fell back to his old habits.
    The difference now is that he has put in the reps. There have been 10,000-plus reps. If he gets a chance to play again and gets back to competition, it’s hard-wired now. He doesn’t have to think about it.”
    Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/04/21/what-theyre-saying-i-think-he-is-a-mess/#HWQ7iVG23ShfcIUT.99

    some pretty detailed interesting stuff from House, the “QB whisperer” :

  208. 208 botto said at 6:36 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    I know its dumb but its not this city that cares to talk about the 3rd string QB. any city in the country if they had Tebow it would be news.
    why? I don’t friggin know.
    why don’t we just hire pat Robertson as the qb coach and call it a day

  209. 209 GEAGLE said at 7:06 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    “I dont friggin Know”….. truer words have never been spoken, I dont even understand why people care so much about this kid,. I just dont understand what it is that make people over rate him so much and have such blind loyalty to the kid… i dont understand it.,.

    unfortunately Marynowitz made it sound like he is here to compete as a QB instead of us trying him out at other spots like TE and ST.. which is a damn shame. No Doubt in my mind that there is SOMETHING Tebow can contribute to an NFL team at a high level, its just NOT as a QB… shame we cant use his size and athleticism as a real asset, all over some long shot fringe QB? even him, why would Tebow want to be a #3 QB who probably wont even dress on gamedays, when he could actually be on the field playing Football in some other role? i dont understand, but it sounds pretty selfish of him, when he is supposed to be the ultimate team mate… instead he can probably find a way to help this team, but he wont, all so he can try to fight his way into being a 3rd string QB which in Philly is basically a glorified practice player since Chip wont dress 3 QBs..

  210. 210 anon said at 6:36 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    According to Tim Graham of the Buffalo News, the Bills are considering placing a cap on season-ticket sales for the first time in team history.

    Current sales have surpassed, per Graham, 55,000. The record is
    57,132, set back in 1992. Graham adds that suites are nearly sold out.

    The LeSean McCoy effect?

  211. 211 Tdoteaglefan said at 6:42 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Rex Ryan and Terry Pegula (new owner) effect. Shady is a factor for sure but to a lesser extent

  212. 212 Bert's Bells said at 8:07 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Precisely. Rex + new owner = enthusiastic fan base.

    I’m a Rex Ryan fan, though. I think he’s a better coach than Buddy.

  213. 213 RobNE said at 6:59 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Nfl channel or espn for the draft?

  214. 214 oreofestar said at 7:00 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Personally I go NFL network

  215. 215 Honest_T said at 7:09 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    FWIW, Footballguys.com has a Google hangout (on YouTube) that is better than the network coverage.

  216. 216 KAJomo said at 7:35 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    NFL…Mayock is the best on TV and they stopped revealing picks before they are announced

  217. 217 D3FB said at 8:50 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    NFL network. Fewer random BS talking heads. Because I don’t care what Tom Jackson thinks about a 4th round slot corner (because Tom Jackson is regurgitating notes that someone else wrote for him).

  218. 218 GermanEagle said at 7:31 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    We can dream about all the Fishers, Clemmings, Jones in this world. In the end we will see one guy ending up with the Eagles. And that’s gonna be at 8.15pm.

  219. 219 Greg Richards said at 7:54 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Tony Washington?

  220. 220 Raul Estrada said at 8:15 PM on April 23rd, 2015:

    Tommy: So does Dupree give you shades of Carlos Emmons or Willie McGinnest?