Looking for Number 3
Posted: July 31st, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 120 Comments »Matt Barkley had the best spring of his young NFL career. That’s the good news. The fact it wasn’t anything to write home about…that’s the bad news. So far, the bar has been set pretty low.
Matt Barkley still available for not a lot, I'm told. Not that this is news.
— Jimmy Kempski (@JimmyKempski) July 31, 2015
The Eagles like Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez. Beyond that, things are wide open. Barkley could play his way onto the roster. Tim Tebow could play his way onto the roster. It is possible that the guy who struggles the least will end up surviving.
The x-factor here is that Tebow is versatile. He can run the ball and help the team in some other areas if the coaches want to get creative with him. Barkley is a pure pocket passer.
The interesting scenario is one where Barkley does get traded (for 2 turntables and a microphone). Does GJ Kinne move back to QB? Do the Eagles have someone on the street they would add to compete for the job? Even if the Eagles want Tebow to win the job, they need a body to help with practice and preseason reps.
The focus this summer will be on Bradford and Sanchez, but it will also be interesting to see how Barkley and Tebow play. Barkely was better in the spring, but it wasn’t as if he did anything special. Tebow was awkward in his first time back in an NFL setting in a while. Tebow could take a step forward in Training Camp, now that he’s had time to digest the offense and get his feet under him.
Barkley is probably what-you-see-is-what-you-get. He’s not coming back from an injury. He’s not new here. And so on. The one thing with Barkley is that he’s a young guy and every now and then those players will have the light go on after a couple of mediocre seasons. You certainly can’t count on that, but it has happened.
It will be interesting to see if Barkley or Tebow steps up and wins the job or if the Eagles are looking for a #3 QB in a few weeks. Mike Vick is still on the market, right?
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I’d rather just have two QBs.
Could happen.
2 QB’s, 3 TE”s, & 3 RB’s. Maybe only 5 WR’s. Then 2 jack-of – all trades in Tebow & Kinne, who between them can filli-in at the above mentioned offensive skilled positions in a pinch. Versitility with 2 players who obviously are committed to football.
Can’t stand Barkley.
I think Chip probably learned his lesson on drafting mediocre QBs. A middle of the road (or worse, if you’d like to argue about it) receiver like Cooper or linebacker like Casey Matthews can be worth *something* to a team if they don’t turn into the All Pro you think they will. It’s tempting to think that you can get something out of a “miss” on a drafted QB, but a mediocre QB will get roasted alive by a professional defense. They’re almost worthless in a game.
However if you think he can be good you take the shot. Barkley at one point was rated very high. Your logic doesn’t make any sense. Chip picked him not because he thought he would be a shitty QB. He picked him because he thought he could be a good QB. Besides, it has worked for teams. Brady, Romo, Wilson, Foles to an extent, and others.
I don’t get all the Barkley hate. Prior to his injury, the college qb was a stud. There are few young qbs that are not a crap-shoot. Matt is in a tough situation competing for the #3 spot, and his career might never take off. With Timmy T, we know what we’ve got and it isn’t much. Camp and pre-season wiil hopefully make things clearer.
I don’t like Barkley at all. Just from seeing him in PS I don’t think he even looks like a #3. That being said Chip did the right thing in drafting him. He just hasn’t worked out at the NFL level.
I agree with you in big ways — he hasn’t looked good, I liked the pick, and he might not work out. I’m not reaching a conclusion yet, though, wondering how he might work out if he spends more time on the field. I don’t want this to happen with the Eagles! The best thing for him might be a trade to another team where he could get more snaps.
Lol give him to Giants or Cowboys for when Romo and Eli are to old. If that were to happen it could arguably be the best pick the Birds have ever made.
He was going to be the 2nd QB off the board if he came out a year earlier prior to being hurt.
His career and his wallet would be much different if he opted for the draft. Kind of an argument for athletes to forgo their education and strike while their iron is hot.
And I like to remind loser Washington fans that Barkely would have been drafted ahead of RG3.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/17/matt-barkley-confident-he-would-have-been-drafted-ahead-of-rgiii/
That article just says Barkley would have been drafted ahead of RG3, according to Barkley. Not exactly the, uh, best source for your claim…
Ha ha, who cares if he even said it himself or not. The point is that RG3 sucks.
Though from what it sounded like when he skipped the draft, he will never have to worry about money anyway (#oldmoney)
You’re looking at those numbers all wrong if you’re still clinging to Brady. Sure, it works out occasionally, but you don’t base the future of a franchise on anecdotal evidence.
http://eaglesrewind.com/2013/01/29/hacking-the-draft-comprehensive-chart/
After the first two rounds, you’re picking QBs to be backups. Barkley is what a backup quarterback looks like. They don’t contribute on special teams. They don’t [shouldn’t] come in on sub packages. And if they have to play under the lights, they’re getting roasted.
No I am not looking at the numbers wrong. What I am saying is that while it’s a long shot it can work out. It’s a gamble that has a low success rate but if it does work out it’s huge. Plus you do need a backup QB.
Basing the future of the franchise? It was a 4th round pick.
If Kelly thinks the guy may be able to pan out he will select him. He is not going to say Barkley didn’t work I’m not going to do it again. It’s based on individual assessments.
I mean, if Marcus smith doesn’t take the next step we could always have him revert to QB. And he could be the #3 guy.
may as well let Lane Johnson see QB snaps w/ the practice squad, and serve in a pinch
Any of those two will do.
Love the Beck reference.
Don’t love the current options at QB3.
” Barkely was better in the spring, but it wasn’t as if he did anything special.”
This isn;t a Barkley defense, but how special did anyone look in the spring?
Unfortunately, Barkley plays scared. Everything he has learned goes out the window with a moderate pass rush. He’s just not an NFL QB.
OD, I am guessing that you’ve seen a fair amount of USC tape to make that assertion. If that is the case, why did CK not see it? If you’re basing it on his brief live moment as an Eagle, isn’t that a tad unfair?
Unhinged – Having witnessed many USC games first hand, I was a very strong supporter of Barkley when he came to the Eagles. Unfortunately, the intensity and violence of a NFL game were not kind to Barkley. He’s a great college QB, but the NFL transition has not been kind. Chip did not see it either. Stuff happens when good college players transition to the NFL. It can sometimes be painful.
Yeah, ain’t that the truth? I just cannot yet buy in on burying the guy. We’ve seen his worst, I’m assuming, but I don’t feel so sure that we’ve seen his best. His best may not meet the bar, but I just don’t feel like deciding that too soon. I’m thinking this PS will be pivotal for him.
Hey Media Mike, just 4 U:
http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/nfl-why-it-may-be-too-soon-to-write-off-tim-tebow.html/?ref=YF
Barf.
But thanks for sharing.
I really don’t see the point of keeping Barkley. All he can do is play QB, and he does that at a “guy you can sign off the street at any time” level. I doubt very much Tebow has actually developed an NFL throwing motion in his time away from the game but he at least can be an asset in other ways (goal line and conversion plays, special teams, etc.).
I don’t want the ball out of my best players’ hands on goal line. Especially if I happen to have any of those guys on my fantasy teams.
I’ve never subscribed to that philosophy. Lining up in goal line formation and pounding DeMarco Murray off tackle may be the Eagles’ single highest percentage short yard play but you can’t run it every time. Tebow is player with the ability to threaten the defense in multiple ways in short yardage and that is strategically valuable.
Rather keep Barkley… It would be a major low point in my eagle fandom to see TEBOW play a regular season game with an eagle career
What if he is better then Barkley overall? Not a Tebow supporter BTW, but it’s that thinking that doesn’t allow the best players to make the team.
I don’t even care. I can’t stand the thought of having to root for TEBOW in a regular season game… Plus i assume Barkley wipes the floor with him.. I don’t think Barkley is any good, but year in the offense, 3 summers or working with our coaches, he should destroy TEBOW in camp (tallest midget in the room syndrom)
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As fans every once in a while we have personal bias… I hated Ryan Mathews, but his talent Intruigs me and I’m willing to give him a shot to prove me wrong… But TEBOW is just one player I really can’t stomach.
You are making a big assumption, that Barkley has made enough strides in 3 years to win the battle. If he has than he will be on the team. If he hasn’t then he doesn’t deserve to make the team. Though I don’t think Tebow is a good player and I don’t want to see him in a regular season game, the same can be said for Barkley or any 3rd string QB. Hell, I only want to see the back up in the 4th when the birds are up 35-0 every game. BUT, every player needs to earn their spot, and ad far as offensive players go, I believe Chip will give everyone a fair evaluation with an open mind, and that is all I care about.
Chip has thrown in the towel on Barkley. Still, Tebow has to earn the open spot. I think he will, given some things I’ve heard. We’ll see.
I like a lot of your info, but as far having Tebow on the roster;
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Mike, I heard you were a great guy. Shucks…
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ha ha ha. Not F U, just an F to any Tebow talk.
Ooh, now I see said the blind man. All kidding aside, I believe you know more about the game then I. Still, don’t let Tebow-hate eliminate the potential to win in new and different ways. Expect the unexpected from this Offense.
I don’t like new and different when it involves pre-existing and hated. Tebow would be just about one of the guys in pro sports I hate the most.
Strongly disagree.. Winning this battle shouldn’t be good enough for Barkley to win the roster spot.. If Barkley only edges him out, I’d give the roster spot to TEBOW(if I remove my hatred for the guy from the equation)
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Sorry, but I wouldn’t call expecting a kid to be better in his 3rd year, then his first month of the season a BIG assumption.. That’s a safe assumption as far as I’m concerned, especially when it’s been proven that our coach doesn’t believe in continuity for the sake of continuity..Chip has shown NO FEAR in getting rid of players, and I simply don’t believe we will ever see chip keep a guy for 2, 3 years unless the player is constantly progressing..
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Same thing with the OL…we don’t get to see the young backups every day like the coaches. I don’t believe guys like Tobin and Dennis Kelly would be here today if they haven’t been showing constant growth. I don’t BELIEVE we will ever see Chip give passes to guys who aren’t continuing to grow.. I dont have much faith in Barkley, but I think it’s pretty Absurd to think he hasn’t improved since he had to be thrown into two games as a rookie
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Barkley should be way way more comfortable with his command of this offense in year 3, then TEBOW is after 3 months.. Which should be a major advantage for Barkley considering we want quick decisions, know which option of the package play to go with, and get the ball out fast and on time. not to mention Barkley should have a pretty solid advantage in chemistry with Guys like Celek, Ertz, Coop, Jordan, Huff, then TEBOW who just met these guys a month ago
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I don’t think we will ever be talking about a player who chip gives a free ride to for years that hasn’t been showing acceptable growth.
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Barkley should outclass TEBOW this summer, and it shouldn’t even be close… if it’s a close battle, I would keep TEBOW, even tho I despise him
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Expecting a player to show growth after 3 years ISNT a BIG ASSUMPTION at all… You know what’s a Big ASSUMPTION? Assuming a QB is destined to never even be a solid backup because he stunk it up in his first two games as a rookie
I understand. I do think Tebow will beat out Barkley. The fact of the matter is that they have been trying to get rid of Barkley anyway. I think that says alot.
I confident we will get some quality ball from Thurmond this year, problem is im not confident that he can play 16 games… Because Thurmond isn’t the most durable cat, maybe there is a chance that “Nancy boy” Wolff makes the roster. The only safety showing less toughness then “not so nasty” Nate…unless we trust watkins, Couplin or Reynolds to play in a game, we may have to keep Wolff for a year..
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Pope jordan will do most of his damage from the slot, but when we line up in 2 WR sets, I assume Jordan would be one of the two WRs even tho technically playing the slot make him the #1!WR
You continue to outdo yourself on these terrible nicknames, man.
Leaning towards Tebow. Even if Barkley is the better passer, it makes no difference because the offense will still get shut out. He’s that bad. At least Tebow’s running ability gives the offense some possibility of scoring points.
Except I don’t want the QB running, that is street trash football.
Mike you’re going to have to learn to cover your eyes when Chip plays his “special” package….. (Just kidding. Chip has some new ideas on how to use Tebow. But Tebow has to prove he can pass under pressure.)
If I draft Bradford on any of my fantasy teams, he had better keep Tebow the F off of the field. We can’t be losing money over sub packages with guys I hate.
HINT: Tebow’s long ball is good. You may see him in games, like the Skins, where we are leading by a sizable margin. Consider it his final exam. If he scores, then the Eagles have more options to win.
Options to trade!
So Russell Wilson plays street trash football? Look. Tebow is not ideal, but let’s be practical. Street trash football that can score some points is better than regular football that scores none.
No, that is Steve Young football.
RG3, Scam Newton, Kaepertrash, Johnny Streetball, and Tebow all play streetball. I don’t want that.
We’re talking about a third string quarterback. The pickings are slim. All these QBs look like garbage. I don’t like either Barkley or Tebow, but fail to see how Barkley helps the team more than Tebow would.
And you’re totally correct that we’re looking at the 53rd guy on the roster, but I don’t want to open a Pandora’s box of guys who play the game the wrong way here.
I’d rather score points the “wrong way” than get shut out the “right way.” As a wise man once said, “Score f*cking points.”
No way. Death before degradation. Those run around dudes like Newton, Kaep, etc. make the NFL un-watchable. I don’t want to see 16 games of our team playing in that manner.
In the argument over whether Wilson is an elite QB I have been saying no. However I have looked at his career stats and they are ALOT more impressive then I have thought. For his career he has a 98 QB rating. His TD to int ratio is 3-1which is pretty good. 63 comp percentage which is damn good. He only averages 207 ypg passing but he also averages 40 ypg rushing which does have to be taken into account. That is 247 ypg he generates which isn’t bad. Just the threat of his legs gives D headaches. He now has a very good receiving weapon in which he has not had in his career untill now.
Just throwing it out there because the numbers took me by surprise.
Wilson is so much smarter than most QBs, it really is a joy to watch him play. When he runs, it is totally in the Steve Young intelligent run as a last resort category.
I’d pay him every penny of that deal to play here.
Wasn’t a joy to watch that shit when he played us last year, but I agree. One of the few “running” QBs of his generation that runs to extend the play rather than to pick up yards.
I’d love him on this team now. But I’m afraid of what would have happened to him if we landed him in Reid’s last draft. Maybe then we do slightly better, delay the coaching transition, and thus lose out on Chip. Who knows.
Which is why he isn’t a running QB, he’s a passer who uses foot movement to extend plays.
If he were so much smarter than most QB’s, he would have nixed the call from the sidelines & handed the ball off to Lynch.
That call was fine. What was not was the WR doing his best Pinkston impersonation and getting beat to the ball.
Woody Hayes disagrees and has several reasons why!
Ohio State trash; not worth much except a chamber pot being dumped on him.
Remember only 3 things can happen when you throw the ball and 2 of them are bad.
Plus, he’s only played three seasons. His potential is enormous.
When you only have Lynch as your only reliable offensive option..stats can be deceiving.
And that is likely to pick up a bit this year with Graham and a year of extra experience for a few of the young WRs up there.
His OL in pass protection isn’t that good either.
So what happened to Barkley? What changed for him when he would have been the number one pick to becoming a 4th rounder and now being a bubble player? He hurt his arm, yeah but that seems to not be an issue now?
Oregon Ducker said Barkley basically has no “marbles.”
To be more clear, once Barkley gets hit in the mouth during a game, he loses his “marbles”. You might say he is the opposite of fearless.
The “no marbles” thing in Major League 2 is one of my favorites.
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Might as well not even bother trying to run out of Shotgun when Barkley is in the game, because even if the defense parts like the Red Sea and they give Barkley open running lanes, he is scared to death of keeping the ball.. Pointless to run out of shotgun if no defense will even consider the possibility of your QB keeping the ball..
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But in terms of passing the ball. If Barkley ISNT out classing TEBOW at camp after 3 summers in this offense under Chip, that would be a very bad sign… Barkley should move the ball better then TEBOW who just learned the offense two months ago.. If Barkley doesn’t look like the better passer, that would be very bad sign…
The truth is we don’t know when he would have been picked since he didn’t go through the full draft analysis that year. How often do we see players fluctuate up and down draft boards between the end of the season and the draft (look at Geno Smith/EJ Manual).
How about Brett Hundley? A lot of mock drafts had the Eagles taking him in the 1st…
It was mostly people on this site who were drastically over rating Hundley, more then the actual mocks.
EW! No thank you on Hundley.
Doubt he would have ever been a top 20 pick, End of round 1 at best, most likely he falls to round 2, round 3 for the smart GMs,,,,only reason he was ever talked about as a top pick because he didn’t go thru the process of getting picked apart by NFL scouts and coaches
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Then again, there is aLways an idiot who throws first round picks at guys like Brady Quinn and TEBOW..
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For fantasy players out there, any feedback on this group of dudes. Drafting 4th in a 12 team mock snake draft on ESPN.
Le’Veon Bell, Julio Jones, Justin Forsett, Todd Gurley, Travis Kelce, Allen Robinson, Ameer Abdullah, Charles Johnson, Duke Johnson, David Cobb, John Brown, Sam Bradford, Doug Baldwin, Carson Palmer, Eagles D, Blair Walsh.
I would try to trade for a better WR. None of your guys looks like 80+ targets outside of Jones
WR besides Jones is pretty weak. Try getting a solid WR in a trade. Great RB depth though.
Duke Johnson just got a thigh injury. No idea if serious or not.
Somehow you managed to land almost every rookie running back. Overall, your RBs are the strength of your team. I agree with others on WR, which is tough b/c depending on rules, you can play 3 (unless it’s flex?). Bradford is boom or bust, but Palmer is good insurance.
Your sleepers are John Brown and Allen Robinson. Both have the potential to do REALLY well. Could end up being a good problem to have.
If Gurley pans out, he and Bell would be a great duo at RB.
Screw Barkley and Tebow. Keep GJ Kinne as the 3rd QB. At least he’s willing to contribute at other postions unlike Tebow and a factor on STs unlike Barkley. If Barkley shows in preseason that he’s capable at the QB position then yeah you should keep him considering Bradford’s injury background. If all 3 are trash as actual QBs, either roll the dice and only keep 2 QBs on the 53-man roster or bring someone else in from the outside. You could also choose to keep Kinne(or Tebow) on the 53-man roster for X-factor/STs ability and still put Barkley on the PS assuming another team doesn’t claim him on waivers or he doesn’t purposely choose to go elsewhere.
I hate Cowboys fans, but they keep giving me reasons to dislike them more.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2536685-greg-hardy-helps-fund-we-still-dem-boyz-banner-to-be-flown-over-eagles-camp?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national
Well to be fair, we’re also doing it to them too. IMO, save the trash talking for when we play them. You’re just wasting air trying to argue with cowgirl fans.
I don’t know that I will ever be able to hate the cowscum and the Trashskins more then I will this year. I ALWAYS want to badly Beat our Rivals, but this year I don’t think I can stomach losing division games after how disgusting those front offices have been, adding every piece of crap with talent that they can get…. I never so desperately want to run the table and dominate this entire division more then I do this year…. It’s not easy to do AT ALL, even if you have the best team in the division, but it would be so satisfying to not lose a game to the scum in our division this year….
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I view going 3-3 in our division this year as a disaster, At the very least we need to go 4-2, ideally 5-1… 6-0 domination of the scum in this division would be the greatest regular season gift ever..
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a rational man would Probably set the over/Unders at 2-2 against the Patriots division. But I have Higher aspirations then that… If we can win 4 or 5 division games, and go 3-1 against the Patriots division, it should be too hard for our Rivals to steal the division from us…
I really never liked Barkley, but I feel like this city HASNT been too fair with how they have treated the kid… He stunk it up in his first two games early his rookie year which is pretty common, and this city instantly decided that he would be destined to always suck….which is pretty ridiculous, even for young players I never thought highly of..
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I never saw much starting potential in Barkley, but I think people have been seriously out of control with the automatically assuming he can never even grow into a solid Longterm backüp after they seen him play twice as a rookie.
I certainly don’t have much confidence in him either, but you can’t treat young players like that. Especially at the QB position..
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With that said, it’s his 3rd summer under Chip, and I’m not sure it’s possible for him to not be any better then the QB we saw early his rookie year…Tebow obviously will be a better fit in our run game, but as scared as Barkley looked to keep it and run as a rookie, this isn’t exactly trying to teach him Rocket Science. All we want is that when the defense is willing to give him 5-10yards, he grow a pair, bites down on his mouth piece, keep the ball, run for 5 yards and slide. There is no reason he cant be asked to do that, he just needs to get over the fear of doing something he isn’t very comfortable doing.
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generally speaking Barkley is probably a better passer then TEBOW. Mechanically he is better then TEBOW, Probably more accurate, better touch .. take all those advantages and the fact that Barkley is in his 3rd summer playing this offense, and TEBOW learned it 3 months ago, Barkley should have much more successful passing the ball in Training camp and preseason then TEBOW…a lot of this offense is timing, quick reads, making Fast decisions, knowing what option of the package plays is best suited to attack each way a defense lines up… So If Barkley is only a slightly more successful passer then TEBOW this summer, it would be a very bad sign….
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Not only should Barkley start showing development as a 3rd year player. But he should show a very strong command of this offense And a major advantage in chemistry with our recievers over TEBOW
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This can’t be a close QB battle for that 3rd spot…Barkley should look convincingly better because he will be so much more comfortable in his command of the offense then TEBOW… I think people haven’t given Barkley any chance whatsoeverI and that he can’t possibly look like the “Deer in the headlights” player we saw as a rookie… We should see obvious progress and hopefully we get lucky, he surprises us all and continues to grow til he become a Longterm backüp QB we feel comfortable with…if Barkley only wins the battle by a tiny margin, I would cut our losses and see if TEBOW can show a better growth rate then Barkley under the tutaledge of our coaches…
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I am curious to see how TEBOW vs. Barkley battle unfolds… Should be an Intersting preseason….. Wish I would see one of the Ravens practices
I don’t think the city has been unfair on him. Most reports on him in TC and OTAs haven’t been that great. He doesn’t look good in PS either. His billing was backup QB hopefully one day starter. He hasn’t even come close to living up to backup QB status. With the the scared comment you made just provide another example of why people don’t like him. As a QB you may need to run the ball. If he is scared of that then he is scared about part of his job description. How do you honestly expect people to react to that in Philly? It sounds ridiculous. Furthermore he seems like a brat. His personality does not help one bit.
I just think people are calling it as it is.
I’d honestly take Vick back as the #3 in a heart beat. Seems to be a good locker room guy these past half dozen years, and he’s a much more intriguing run option than Tebow and can actually threaten the full field as a QB too. If I’m a defensive coordinator I’m much more concerned if I see Vick jog out and join the huddle, or in our case the pre snap gaggle, than I am if I see Tebow.
Vicks way past the point of being a full time starter at this stage of his career. He just can’t be relied on to play a full 16 games, and he seemed to just go through the motions during his time in NY, but if you need to win just 1 game, and your only two choices are suiting up Tebow or Michael Vick, tell me you’d spend more than 5 min before telling Vick to start warming up.
I just think he would cost more then Tebow or Barkley. Most teams want a 2nd or 3rd guy that they can groom. Vick at his stage is definitely not a QB that could be groomed.
Besides that Vick is not a Kelly QB. Not consistent, accurate, and TO machine. All things Kelly does not want in a QB. He isn’t durable either in which in all honesty I’m not sure if that would bother Kelly to much.
Oh Man, you are describing my nightmare…I can’t wait TIL both Barkley and TEBOW are upgraded and out of Philly, but bringing VICK back may be worse as far as I’m concerned..
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I’d Much rather see what TEBOW can do in this offense, then to see a 37yr old, smaller QB, Who wants to run, but still doesn’t know how to slide..God No!
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At least TEBOW is a big strong OX who can run the ball, take a hit and hold on to the Rock.. I’d be holding my breath Everytime VICK takes off from the Pocket.. give VICK all these zone read options to run and I doubt he makes it thru a game without getting hurt at his age..
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If Chip threatens us with Bringing VICK back, it’s like the one thing that can make me root for TEBOW….. One of the most fragile QBs, who is now close to the age of 40, that will still run the ball, without knowing how to protect himself…
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I don’t expect to think highly of our #3 QB, who is only here for worst case scenario emergencies.. But at the very least our emergency QB should be durable… Can’t carry a #3 QB like VICK who probably can’t last more then two games if we needed him to..
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VICK
Manziel
Geno Smith
RG3
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QBs that would actually make me root for TEBOW and Barkley. I’d rather keep TEBOW for 3’years, then to have any of them on our roster for 1 year at this point
I actually wouldn’t mind seeing what Kelly could do with Geno. He really finished last year strong and seems to be maturing. I think if you are going to preach patience with Barkley then you also have to do it with Geno.
Geno is not exactly working with a full football IQ. At least Barkley isn’t starting from a mental deficit.
True, but Geno is a better FB player then Barkley.
I hear you. Geno is one of those guys I never want to see in an Eagles uniform (like Hundley and EJ Manuel) who people kept incessantly linking to the Eagles during the draft.
I actually cheered when each of those guys were drafted by other teams.
The way coaches and GMs evaluate QBs is not a perfect science – Russell Wilson’s draft position is a good example. Barkley is a good #3 because he’s signed for two more years and his college record indicates he has a chance to succeed in the NFL. GMs fear the unknown unless there’s hype around a college guy. There was a buzz about Tebow changing his throwing motion but it seems it’s gotten worse – few can change their throwing motion a few years into an NFL career.
I don’t think his throwing motion has gotten worse. I just don’t think it has gotten better. I don’t think it could have gotten worse.
The problem with Wilson’s draft status was his height. Being under 6 foot scares off too many GM’s that are locked into specific measurables as a universal for certain positions.
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A conditional 5th? Oof.
Better than nothing at all or a 7th 2017 conditional they were going to get when he left for nothing at the end of the year.
It has been obvious that they won’t use him outside (for whatever reason) and I bet another team does.
Great talent, but a needed move.
It’s not bad value for a guy entering last yr of contract, but for a team looking to be better not worse next yr on defense I don’t think it’s a move I’d make. Maybe at the end of camp if someone else emerges to play nickel. Not right now.
I’ve been banging the drum to move on from guys we weren’t going to sign for a while. I would like more than a 5th, but it beats the garbage 2017 compensatory pick we might get……………or might not get.
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The 5th round pick the #Eagles will receive can be as high as a 4th round pick depending on playing time for Boykin this season, per source.
Mixed feelings. That’s good for a guy in last yr of contract. Look at trades around the league. Getting better than a 5th for anyone that’s not a star is great value. That said, I’m worried about this year.
Pittsburgh SUCKS at CB. The 4th rounder, baring injury, should be a lock.
Hopefully. We’re down a 2nd round pick next year due to Bradford trade but we picked up a 3rd from Detroit during this year’s draft and now at least a 5th and hopefully a 4th. Still wouldn’t surprise me to see Kendricks moved, especially if Hicks shows well in camp.
I’ve been banging the “trade Kendricks for a 2nd” drum for a while. Maybe they can get a 3rd for him that scales up to a 2nd based on playing time.
Arent the Niners needy for 34 ILbs?
True. And he played college ball in that general area.
Kenricks for the Niners 3rd that becomes a 2nd based on either playing time or him re-signing there.
They need depth but Michael Wilhoite played pretty well as a starter for them.
I forgot Bowman is back
If Boykin starts outside for the Steelers this year and plays well enough to get another contract with them, how bad do we murder Billy Davis?
I seriously doubt it is Davis alone that is dictating to play taller, bigger corners on the outside. This is a Chip call.
I’m sure that’s the case, but would you agree there will be some major grief laid?
Of course. You can always rely on Eagles fans to be irrational.
Tomorrow should be fun
Pretty good trade IMO. We lose someone with one year left who wasn’t going to get extended at a position that plays around 50% of the plays. Not to mention it could be a 4th round pick. I will be interested to see how much playing time he needs for us to get the 4th rounder. The trade is good for Boykin as well. He finally gets his chance to start. He and Chip both new he wasn’t starting outside especially after all the corners we drafted. In regards to the hole left, I really have a ton of faith in Shepherd. I was blown away by his instincts in college. Someone between Rowe, Shepherd and Carrol should be able to start. They may not be as good early but they will get better throughout the year.