Feeling Good About the D

Posted: August 27th, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 298 Comments »

Things can change.

The Eagles drafted Trent Cole in the 5th round in 2005. He became a terrific player. Not necessarily a huge star, but he played in 2 Pro Bowls and racked up 85.5 sacks as an Eagle.

Things dried up a bit after that.

Brodrick Bunkley
Chris Gocong
Omar Gaither
LaJuan Ramsey

Victor Abiamiri
Stewart Bradley
CJ Gaddis
Rashad Barksdale

Trevor Laws
Bryan Smith
Quintin Demps
Jack Ikegwuonu
Joe Mays
Andy Studebaker

Macho Harris
Moise Fokou

Injuries cut short promising careers for Bradley and Abiamiri. But there were also some picks that weren’t close to panning out.

Things have gotten a lot better since then.

Brandon Graham
Cedric Thornton
Fletcher Cox
Mychal Kendricks
Vinny Curry
Brandon Boykin (now with PIT)
Bennie Logan
Beau Allen

And there are young guys who might become starters or key role players.

Marcus Smith
Taylor Hart
Jaylen Watkins
Eric Rowe
Jordan Hicks
JaCorey Shepherd
Brian Mihalik
Denzel Rice

That is a lot of homegrown talent on the defense.

Things were very different when the Eagles hosted the Packers in a playoff game in January of 2011. The Eagles had six homegrown starters in that game, but some were more by default than being good players.

Trent Cole
Mike Patterson
Jamar Chaney
Moise Fokou
Kurt Coleman
Quintin Mikell


We’ll see how good the defense is this year. We do know that they have more homegrown talent than in recent years. And there is reason for optimism.

The great thing about all of this is how much young talent there is. This core could play together for a few years.

* * * * *

There is one bit of bad news. ILB Emmanuel Acho hurt his thumb last week and was waived/injured. He needs surgery to repair the injured thumb. Acho had an uphill battle to make the team, but was at the very least a valuable preseason player.

The Eagles might have to add someone to help eat up preseason snaps.


298 Comments on “Feeling Good About the D”

  1. 1 wee2424 said at 9:41 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    I knew for a long time we were horrible at drafting defensive players. Didn’t realize how bad it was untill I saw that list.

    The D really started to slowly disinegrate after the 2004 season.

  2. 2 iceberg584 said at 9:54 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    And much of the 2000-2004 defense were holdovers from the Rhodes era.

  3. 3 wee2424 said at 10:27 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    True, but in 2004 when it was around its peak there were many good draft choices by Reid as well. Sheppard, Brown, Lewis, and a couple I may be forgetting.

    I remember us all being worried when Brown and Sheppard were going to take over because they were so young and we were letting very good CBs leave. Worked out.

    That draft was a big score for us.

  4. 4 whitebrownsimmons said at 11:39 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Andy was always good with corners it was lbs that he didn’t get. And dl be would miss with high motor guys that looked great in college .thing was worth the real J.J. you could hide weak links once he was gone it was over. Kinda think we ran McDermott out to soon he’s been holding his own I’d Carolina. Think if given a chance he could have been successful here at least compared to the route we went

  5. 5 wee2424 said at 1:22 AM on August 29th, 2015:

    Andy was horrible with LBs, but in a 4-3 the emphasis on LB is not nearly the same as a 3-4, hence Chips dedication to LB. That being said, Reid still was horrible with LB.

    McDermott was let go to soon partially just because we didn’t have a viable option to replace him. Castillo? That was a head scratcher. I think McDermott even admitted he wasn’t nearly the same coach he was then now. He was very raw in many aspects.

    In the comment you replied to I gave Reid credit for drafting Brown, Sheppard, and Michael Lewis. That being said I do not think he was good at evaluating and drafting DBs. He had that one really good draft and shortly later found Mikkel as an UDFA. Wouldn’t surprise me if JJ as a DC had alot to do with those evaluations and picks.

    Outside of 2003 and Mikkell, Reid was pretty bad with his selection of DBs in the draft. Besides Samuel he was just as bad in FA if not worse. Just because he had that one good year does not mean he was good with DBs.

    He was pretty bad with evaluating defensive talent all together. Combine that and poor selections in coaching and system is what led to a complete implosion on the defensive side of the ball.

  6. 6 Dan in Philly said at 9:45 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    Chip is pretty good at putting together a defense. Knows the players coming up better than anyone else.

  7. 7 MattE said at 9:47 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    Kiko + Kendricks = 300 tackles lol….kinda?!

  8. 8 Mitchell said at 9:56 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    You might just be right. If they both stay healthy it’s gonna be really close. I’ll project between the two of them: 260 tackles, 7 ints, 9 sacks, 10 pd.

  9. 9 RobNE said at 10:57 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    7 ints? Wow I hope so.

  10. 10 wee2424 said at 11:10 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    With their athleticism, coverage ability, speed, and past achievements I wouldn’t put it behind them at all. With their skill set Davis could definitely put them in position to achieve that mark or higher.

  11. 11 whitebrownsimmons said at 11:47 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Only problem is they are almost the same player you know both a little on the light side.both had a bigger thumper on the other side of them this far in their careers. But with our line and scheme don’t realty need that big bruising stuffer ILB cause the big 3 eating up the OL leaving or LB’S to eat up the tackles but still, little worried about the size there

  12. 12 jpate said at 9:50 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Idk..the backs have to get past the front 3 first, no easy task.

  13. 13 A_T_G said at 10:10 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Bennie Logan is going to hurt their stats!

  14. 14 SteveH said at 10:07 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    We’ve been fortunate that all our season enders have been to 2nd tier guys. Knock on wood.

  15. 15 A_T_G said at 10:21 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    I thought Acho looked the best of the rest of the ILBs. The first four spots are spoken for, but I thought he was next in line. It doesn’t seem like thumb surgery would be season ending for a LB. What are the odds he clears waivers, and that he ends up on our IR?

  16. 16 Insomniac said at 10:32 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    I thought he flashed last preseason too but we ended up cutting him also. My guess is that we’re moving Brad Jones back to ILB and Diaheem Watkins has shown enough to get more snaps.

    It sucks for Acho though, he’s a cool guy.

  17. 17 Ramiroquaaii said at 12:47 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    I was thinking about Watkins too. Want to kknow more about him.
    And I’m sure Acho will not be back. Very good backup ILB for many teams. Unless his injury is more serious to recover than we know.

  18. 18 Rambo said at 6:21 PM on August 28th, 2015:


  19. 19 ICDogg said at 1:43 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    He’ll clear waivers and go on IR though the next step probably would be an injury settlement/release.

  20. 20 Aran said at 3:41 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I think I read It’s up to 6 weeks anticipated recovery.

  21. 21 johhnyblaze said at 10:26 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    Eagles didn’t meet the 4pm deadline to cut acho, guess it’ll take place tomorrow

  22. 22 ICDogg said at 10:50 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    Nate Allen
    Jaiquawn Jarrett

  23. 23 Bert's Bells said at 10:52 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    Sean Considine

  24. 24 wee2424 said at 11:14 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    Considering he was thrust into a starting spot much like Macho Harris I thought he was decent for a 4th round pick. The position we put some of these young safeties in was really unfair and at times I believe a detriment to them.

  25. 25 whitebrownsimmons said at 11:52 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Macho was a decent nickel back

  26. 26 wee2424 said at 12:58 AM on August 29th, 2015:

    Really? I dont remember him playing nickel for us, just safety. Do you mean as a safety he was effective at dropping into the slot, or did he actually exclusively play slot for us at one point?

    How did he fare when he left us?

  27. 27 A_T_G said at 11:56 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    JR Reed.

  28. 28 Insomniac said at 10:59 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    Jarrad Page
    Kenny Phillips

  29. 29 Jamie Parker said at 11:09 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    We did not draft Page or Phillips.

  30. 30 Insomniac said at 11:10 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    I thought we were listing the awful safeties we had.

  31. 31 wee2424 said at 11:11 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    Awful safeties we drafted. Forgot we had Page though. Seemed like a good pickup at the time.

  32. 32 Jamie Parker said at 11:12 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    lol Well then they belong!

  33. 33 GEAGLE said at 9:06 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Kenny Phillips is trying to make a comeback with the TExans

  34. 34 wee2424 said at 11:07 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    To Nates credit and Reids for drafting him, Nate at first did look like a very good Safety in the making. Between his injury, scheme, poor coaching, and poor personal around him it almost seemed as if he was derailed off the path he looked like he could take. Compared to the current safety play in the league he is more average then poor.

    Jarrett was a reach but like Nate I think poor coaching didn’t help him.

  35. 35 whitebrownsimmons said at 11:50 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Nate actually looked good his rookie year got hurt and played with junk the test of his career

  36. 36 whitebrownsimmons said at 11:51 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    And with jaqaun they just that big hitter we lost with the legend no name needed #20 he was just not it

  37. 37 Henly125 said at 11:02 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    My goodness, did Andy really draft that poorly on D from 2006-2009? What an atrocious list of defense players from those drafts.

  38. 38 Insomniac said at 11:05 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    He did leave us some cornerstone pieces in Cox and Kendricks. Thornton is a quality player too.

  39. 39 wee2424 said at 11:39 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    Yup, that 2012 draft was of the charts. And to think Reid really wanted and thought he was going to get Wilson.

  40. 40 James said at 11:42 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    Man, Chip and Wilson together would be a thing of beauty.

  41. 41 Ben Hert said at 7:42 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Catch-22 though being if we had drafted Wilson, good chance we wouldn’t have Chip right now.

    Hindsight being 20-20, I think I prefer it the way it is.

  42. 42 Anders said at 7:49 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    2012 had still gotten Reid fired no matter what. Wilson wouldnt have beaten out Vick

  43. 43 Michael Winter Cho said at 12:07 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    If Wilson were on this team with Chip at the helm, we would be set.

  44. 44 wee2424 said at 1:52 AM on August 29th, 2015:

    Yup. For awhile I scoffed when people said he was elite or around the elite range. When I looked at his numbers I was very impressed.

    Combine his talent with Chips play calling, far better receiving talent, far better OL play then he has had in Seattle and it’s possible that he could have been considered a far better talent then he is currently considered.

    I am curious to see if he will elevate his play with a receiving talent such as Graham and another year of experience under his belt.

    His OL will not be doing him any favors though.

  45. 45 whitebrownsimmons said at 11:56 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Captain hindsight 20/20 you could easily put any teams drafts up and see horrible picks think about it how many are really his after the first 18-22 picks? The test is just a crap shoot

  46. 46 Jamie Parker said at 11:11 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    Gocong, Bradley, and Mikell were key guys on the 2008 defense that ranked 3rd in the NFL. Gotta give some props to those guys.

  47. 47 wee2424 said at 11:35 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    Forgot how good we were in 2008.

  48. 48 Jamie Parker said at 11:36 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    Jim Johnson’s last. 🙁

  49. 49 wee2424 said at 11:37 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    Sad, but yes it was.

  50. 50 Media Mike said at 8:36 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Gocong sucked more than he didn’t. Q was exposed as soon as Dawk retired. Bradley was great when he was healthy.

  51. 51 RogerPodacter said at 9:08 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    i dunno, i always thought that JJ’s defense kinda marginalized the SAM backer. his job was always to set the edge on run plays, and cover TEs, right? not very flashy, especially for a guy who was supposed to be good at rushing the passer when he came out.
    or am i completely mis-remembering all that? its still early 😛

  52. 52 Media Mike said at 9:13 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    I use Carlos Emmons for what I expect a JJ SAM backer to do. Emmons was awesome at it. Set edges well, tackled RBs with high rates of success, dominated TEs in coverage on a weekly basis. That bow tie bum Jones and Gocong both badly sucked at covering TEs and often got exposed in that role.

  53. 53 whitebrownsimmons said at 11:58 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    And they all had the real JJ coaching

  54. 54 Cafone said at 11:29 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    Bunkley was really good for us. But he got really fat when he went to New Orleans so who knows how it would have worked out if he stayed.

  55. 55 wee2424 said at 11:36 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    I thought Bunkley was more of a disappointment. He was good against the run but never got after the QB and that was supposed to be his selling point.

  56. 56 James said at 11:40 PM on August 27th, 2015:

    Gonna be fun watching this defnese. We know the DL and the LBs are going to be good, I hope one or both of Thurmond/Carroll turn out to be a playmaker. I think that we are going to cause a lot of turnovers again this year. I don’t agree with the coaches putting Rowe at slot but we shall see…I would rather he stayed at CB only while studying S here and there.

  57. 57 bdbd20 said at 7:18 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Great points. Defense is gonna cause a lot of havoc. Curry may be among the sack leaders.

    I did chuckle when I read the title. 5th grade humor comes out again.

  58. 58 eagleyankfan said at 7:39 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Next article will be about being satisfied with the “O” ….

  59. 59 Michael Winter Cho said at 12:09 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Woah, I totally missed that one.

  60. 60 eagleyankfan said at 7:38 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Bradley was a force – until that injury. Shame.

  61. 61 Qwest336 . said at 8:20 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    IMHO, even Bradley was not as good as hyped up by our fans. I don’t think injuries derailed him…I think horrible instincts derailed him.

  62. 62 Scott J610 said at 8:30 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Looks like the Eagles organization has finally gotten into sync. Kelly knows what type of players he wants and he has scouts that can find them. And Kelly is involved in college evaluations and interviews more than other coaches. He’s probably been to more college pro-days than any other head coach.

  63. 63 Media Mike said at 8:37 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    We’re going to 100% find out this year on D if we’re dealing with the talent or the coaching staff. I just hope it isn’t a year too late b/c we would have missed out on being able to get Wade Phillips. Maybe Jacksonville can be 1-15 and Gus Bradley can become available if we need to move on.

  64. 64 Michael Winter Cho said at 12:11 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    How do you figure? Despite the homerific celebrations about how good people look in training camp and the preseason, these guys haven’t even done anything yet. We don’t know if any of this is going to hold up in real games.

  65. 65 Media Mike said at 4:06 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I just figure they put a ton of additional resources into the D and I hate Billy Davis.

  66. 66 Tumtum said at 8:30 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    The problem with those 6 home grown players? 3 7th round picks and one udfa. The hexagonal was the best player on defense at the time too. They just couldn’t get healthy or effective draft picks at early to early mid rounds then. Honestly I think it was a lot to do with bad luck.

  67. 67 Michael Winter Cho said at 12:12 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    The problem was missing out on 1st round pick after 1st round pick on the lines. Most of the selections seemed perfectly logical, but they busted or got shot in the stomach or got weird injuries. Hit on those guys and the rest of the stuff probably doesn’t matter much.

  68. 68 Tumtum said at 9:05 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Exactly. If the higher picks hit who knows what that team does.

  69. 69 whitebrownsimmons said at 12:05 AM on August 29th, 2015:

    Then we got into trading higher round picks to stock pile 4-6 rounds didn’t get that

  70. 70 Media Mike said at 8:34 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    I’m sorry if somebody stated this elsewhere already, but I need to see a full season of sustained defensive excellence without any coaching breakdowns and choke losses before I can fully trust Billy Davis to have a full season of sustained defensive excellence without any coaching breakdowns and choke losses.

  71. 71 xmbk said at 8:47 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    We were spoiled by having the best before he passd. Should have given Bowles a better chance.

  72. 72 Media Mike said at 8:52 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Bowles, even though I think he’s a strong training/planning guy to start with, always seems to be 2 steps ahead of the the OC mentally. He’s a f-ing genius in my book.

  73. 73 Bert's Bells said at 9:26 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    If he can squeak 4 wins out of the Jets, he’s should be enshrined in Canton.

  74. 74 Media Mike said at 4:05 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Watch them go 8-8 with Fitzy.

  75. 75 A_T_G said at 10:08 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Honestly, I think Bowles and McDermott both have the ability. For each of them, though, I think the situation they came into was impossible and turning things around would have taken too long.

  76. 76 xmbk said at 10:10 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    We’ll find out for sure this year, but I think it’s pretty clear Bowles has the ability.

  77. 77 Media Mike said at 4:05 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    McDermott is a boot licker who is now using Ron Rivera’s scheme and talent to pump up his own rep. If a team hires him as a head coach, it’ll be a clown show.

  78. 78 GEAGLE said at 9:03 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    if chip heard people questioning the job Billy has done, he would think they are absurd…. I can’t wait Til a reporter questions the job Billy has done to chip, it will be the angriest our media has ever seen chip…..

  79. 79 Media Mike said at 9:06 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Chip can’t angry his way out of some of those absurd losses last year however.

    So we’ll see what Billy does with some improved talent.

  80. 80 Gary Barnes said at 9:27 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Especially when some were his fault

  81. 81 Media Mike said at 8:45 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Brodrick Bunkley – late to a team flight because he went to pick up fast food
    Chris Gocong – one of my most hated draft picks / players of all times.
    Omar Gaither – ouch
    LaJuan Ramsey – ouch

    Victor Abiamiri – Proof we need to stop investing in guys from low character college programs. F Notre Dame
    Stewart Bradley – Fragile; must be Italinan
    CJ Gaddis – workout warrior
    Rashad Barksdale – would have been better taking up the family business in Baltimore with Avon and DeAngelo

    Trevor Laws – Again, Nortre Dame guy. Rep never matches talent.
    Bryan Smith – Much like Gocong, the TV was almost karate kicked over this dumb pick.
    Quintin Demps – great return man!
    Jack Ikegwuonu – bad knees and worse behavior
    Joe Mays – Fan favorite who has started and played well in Denver. I’ll 100% blame McDermott for not knowing what to do with this guy.
    Andy Studebaker – Never liked him because he actually chose to go to one of the most fascist colleges in the world. He may have actually lost IQ points after every “class” he attended there.

    Macho Harris – Another McDermott special. This guy had some potential, but was constantly jacked off with position changes in the NFL. I’d lay money that Undlin would have turned this kid into a decent NFL player.
    Moise Fokou – Not a lot of talent, but the dude tried really hard to be a good player at a few spots………but not a lot of talent.

  82. 82 BobSmith77 said at 11:02 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Harris was like Coleman and annoyed the hell out of me because he always ran his mouth, never shut up on or off the field, and did his share of stupid things on the field including taking needless/dumb penalties.

  83. 83 eagleyankfan said at 8:48 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    any word about playing time for our ILB’s for the next pre-season game?
    I like CK, really do — but stop garbage talk about how long Bradford will play. You ask a question that he wants to answer, he doesn’t shut up. Ask about Bradford and he acts like a fart could determine if he plays…

  84. 84 GEAGLE said at 9:00 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Kiko and Meco expect to play, hAvent heard anything about KEndricks hamstring

  85. 85 eagleyankfan said at 9:27 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Thanks. Can’t wait to see extended play from Kiko.

  86. 86 peteike said at 11:02 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    yup, just want to see him roaming out there with an Eagles jersey on, cant wait

  87. 87 GEAGLE said at 5:26 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Ordered my #50 Alonso…. Won’t put it on Til the Atlanta game!

  88. 88 GEAGLE said at 5:25 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Today I heard all 3 are probably going to play….. Stay healthy boys!!!!!

  89. 89 bsuperfi said at 9:04 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    The list is truly an indictment, but a least for me, it’s tough to know exactly how good or bad some of these guys were. Many just weren’t developed properly given all the crappy coaching and instability. It’s tough to tell apart a bust from a guy who was ruined in this context. Eg I remember thinking Nate Allen had serious potential at one point. Maybe not pro bowl, but a good starter. this list is in some ways a microcosm of what our d has been through the past 5 years.

  90. 90 Media Mike said at 9:05 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    For those of you helping me with my fantasy draft. We picked on Tuesday after work. I was 4th.

    I picked; Lacy, Megatron, Melvin Gordon, Keean Allen, Ivory, Marshall, Abdullah. John Brown, Duke Johnson, Matt Stafford, Eddie Royal, Dwayne Allen, Kyle Rudolph, James Starks, Vikings D, Greg Zuerlein.

    Like every other fantasy owner, I’m feeling good.

  91. 91 eagleyankfan said at 9:55 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Melvin Gordon? Was there that huge of a run on RB’s? I’m 100% for rookie rb’s -but that seems early to me. Megatron making it back to you is amazing. Looks like your goal was young players. Too up and down for me. I’m not as excited about your roster as you are. (doesn’t mean i’m right).

  92. 92 wee2424 said at 1:01 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Probably was a huge run on RB. Megatron is starting to fall in drafts alot more then past years due to emergence of Tate, age, injury, and drop off in TD s. He is a VERY good WR, but he is not what he once was.

  93. 93 Media Mike said at 4:04 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    There is a school of thought (if you read Evan Silva) that Tate is going to un-emerge with Megatron back full time. We’ll see how it plays out.

  94. 94 wee2424 said at 1:36 AM on August 29th, 2015:

    If Megatron stays healthy for a full year then yes his numbers are obviously going to go up from last year.

    That being said, Detroit has not had a good #2 WR next to him in a long time up untill last year. They aren’t just going to ignore Tate if he continues to play good. For awhile all they had was Megatron. Now that there is another good player opposite of him I just think it would be common sense that Megatron is not going to have the same amount of touches he has had prior. There are only so many snaps to go around.

    On top of that if you closely watch him I don’t think he is exactly the same player as years past. He is still elite, and he is still going to put up good numbers. I just don’t think it is going to be those astronomical numbers that have occurred in the past. Tate is not the full reason, but he is part of the reason.

    Furthermore I think Silva sort of made a captain obvious type statement. Of course Tates numbers are not going to be as good as last year if Megatron stays healthy for all 16. Last year Tate was the #1 option in the games Johnson was out. If Johnson is never out that means Tate will be the #2.

    That is not saying that Tate will not take some balls away from him that in years prior would have definitely been thrown Megatrons way.

  95. 95 Media Mike said at 4:03 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Yes, there was a huge run on RBs. I was hoping to get Lamar Miller with that pick, but he was long gone. Same with Forsett.

  96. 96 A_T_G said at 10:29 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    And for those who advised me, my draft is Saturday. I will be taking Peterson first overall. He owes me from last year, and he better know it.

  97. 97 HawaiianEagle said at 10:52 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    I can just NOW talk about this without shaking….
    I drafted on the 20th and had our Jordan M Qd up for the 33rd overall pick and the MF before me took him at 32. Needless to say, after the authorities left I had calmed down considerably…

  98. 98 Media Mike said at 4:02 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I would have went bonkers.

  99. 99 Jernst said at 11:14 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Getting Lacy 4th is a great first pick man. With Nelson down, he should see even more work and might even get a few more TDs. I think Megatron is being way undervalued this year. He missed some games last year, so his overall numbers were down, and all of a sudden everyone seems to forget that he’s by far and away the best WR in the NFL. I’ve been trying to pick him up in the 2nd round of all my drafts. So from my perspective you really killed it with your first two picks. Getting Abdullah in the 7th round is a steal. He has a chance to be a huge part of that offense.
    Ideally, I think you’d probably have liked to pick up one other high end WR, but overall, nice draft, Mike. I really like the volume you put into the RB position. That spot is so volatile year to year and has such a high injury potential, I think that’s a great strategy, rather than going RB 1/2 like so many people do.
    Good luck!

  100. 100 Media Mike said at 4:02 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Thank you.

  101. 101 truehaynes said at 1:25 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Was this the iggles blitz draft? If so I was 14th/14 and got julio, cj, davante, Hyde, bradford, agholar(homer picks), Houston d devin funchess, 3 crappy tes in rivera Davis and fleener and scam newton

  102. 102 Media Mike said at 4:01 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    No, I’m not in that league.

  103. 103 GEAGLE said at 9:16 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    So dissapointed about Saturday, I was really looking forward to getting some good work in against Packers first team, but if they don’t play, no reason to hav our starters beat up on their backups for a half. Extremely dissapointed..
    I thought it was important for SAM to not only play the first half, but I wanted him to go into halftime and then come back out for the first series of the second half….important that he went into halftime,and came back out for one last drive to start the second half…
    But if GB won’t play its starters, no reason to risk ours… play Bradford and the starters for two series and then shut it down and play the backups…. no point in risking our starters in a meaningless game against inferior competitipn… Worst case scenario łet Bradford engineer two scoring drives and then sit him for the day….
    very dissapointed in GB decision to rest its starters when our Hungey front 7 was coming to town…you would think they wanted to get some work in with Devante Adams, but they are petrified of injuries,,, sucks!

  104. 104 Media Mike said at 9:19 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    I share your disappointment, but 100% don’t blame Green Bay. They might put a 50 spot on Chicago week 1 and have all played together for a while. No reason for them to take any chances.

    I’d love to see if the NFL owners could make just as much money with 7 playoff teams in each conference and one neutral site preseason game.

  105. 105 GEAGLE said at 9:24 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Yeah I can certainly understand why an offense returning almost all its players with a great QB like Rodgers decide not to further risk injury, but it’s still a dissapointment from an Eagles poïnt of view,,, for JUST a Preseason game, our defense would have taken playing against Rodgers very serious and it would have been great work for our new secondary, but if I were a packers fan I would certainly agree with this decision..

  106. 106 jpate said at 9:39 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    They are resting all their starters? I thought it was just rodgers. That’s some BS and pretty whimpy that one guy gets injured and the whole team is sitting out. It’s football! Their O might be set but their defense needs work.

  107. 107 cliff-Y U on a knee, 99?! said at 10:04 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    read they are out 3 OLs. think it might simply be trickle down. why risk Rodgers behind 60% backups, and now no Nelson.

  108. 108 jpate said at 10:18 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Agreed on rodgers, I’m more disappointed about the 1st team D not playing. Really wanted to see Bradford in extended action vs some starters

  109. 109 cliff-Y U on a knee, 99?! said at 10:27 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    oh, D too. didnt see they were resting starting defense also.
    guess we just have to hope with volume of plays kelly runs in practice, plus he’s used to getting newer qbs in college up to speed, Bradford wont look rusty week 1.
    or they can just give M&M 45-50 totes

  110. 110 jpate said at 11:12 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    That’s what it sounds like from comments here, but I haven’t seen anything on the D anywhere else. Hopefully they are playing

  111. 111 GEAGLE said at 5:23 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    In fairness, their starters played more then everyone else in the first PS game against the Patriots… Rodgers and the starters got more work the first week then every other team…… And it might rain tomorrow
    Rodgers played 47 snaps in two preseason games already…
    Play our starters two or three drives and call it a day….. It would be a huge boost to get thru the end of the preseason with no more injuries

  112. 112 HawaiianEagle said at 10:48 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Gamesmanship maybe? Eventually, the two biggest kids will fight.

  113. 113 GEAGLE said at 5:21 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    No gamesmanship this time.. They are legit scared to death of suffering more injuries, plus they have a veteran offense that’s mostly been together and Rodgers played more then most starters typically play in the 1st preseason game against the Patriots,…. SUCKS that we can’t test out our new defense against a potent offense Like GB…
    On the bright side, Chip probably isn’t gong to want to watch our starters beat up on backups for an entire half, so GB actions will probably force us to play our starters much less then we would have.. So hopefully bradford and the starters have two or three TD drives, stay healthy, and get off the field and get out of the preseason healthy
    I think it’s important to play Bradford an entire half, let him go into half time, come back out, get warmed up for the second half, play the first drive of the second half and then shut down the 1’s… But unfortunately we probably won’t play Bradford an entire half against backups in what will probably be rainy Greenbay..
    Let’s get 2-3 drives of quality work in, stay healthy, and shut It down Til the regular season..

  114. 114 GEAGLE said at 9:19 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    LOl while GB is worried about protecting its QB, the gift that keeps on Giving (RG3 on the skins), cleared Griffin to return to practice and it looks like Jay gruden will play him the first half on Saturday…. An entire first half behind that OL? I’ll be shocked if RG3 can make it thru the first half without getting knocked out the game..

  115. 115 Media Mike said at 9:20 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    You’re a gigantic idiot. Who the F do you think you are mocking the “best QB in the NFL?”


  116. 116 James said at 9:21 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Off-topic but related… RGKnee would make for a great clown.

  117. 117 RogerPodacter said at 9:23 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    till he tears up his knee in a freak unicycle accident

  118. 118 James said at 9:24 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Its ok, they are still funny on one leg!

  119. 119 Bert's Bells said at 9:24 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    “Just as funny”, maybe.

  120. 120 James said at 9:25 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    “funny” is up to interpretation.

  121. 121 Media Mike said at 9:24 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    He sure would! He’s always working on his brand.

  122. 122 GEAGLE said at 9:24 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Clearly, I must be Racist….

  123. 123 Media Mike said at 9:25 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    And so must my idol B-Mitch


  124. 124 GEAGLE said at 9:40 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    B MITCH is always publically ripping RGknee…… He doesn’t pull punches when it comes to how terrible he is..

  125. 125 Michael Winter Cho said at 12:18 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Let’s just hope Gruden doesn’t ruin the guy’s legs. We’ll want them in good shape when Chip brings him on board. We will have a china doll Sam Bradford, the “Templar” Tebow, and a PTSD Griffin.

  126. 126 xmbk said at 12:34 PM on August 28th, 2015:


  127. 127 EuropeanEagle said at 9:35 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Ricky Sapp !

  128. 128 Adam said at 9:47 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    The title of this article? That’s what she said.

  129. 129 GEAGLE said at 9:53 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    if Josh huff can keep up with the development of Pope and Agholor, we are going to have a scary trio for years to come.
    Huff and His wife recently moved to New Jersey, his wife got pregnant this offseason… he has built a man cave in his basement… This kid bought a JUG machine to stick in his basement”.. Talk about Culture/Committment
    Very excited for what should be Huffs breakout season…. With a sniper for a QB with precision ball placement/Accuracy, Huff should be a Monster weapon for us in terms of yards after the catch…. When Huff gets the ball his mind switched to Runningback Mode and he starts running angry..,
    Jordan, Agholor and Pope all can be monster Yards after Catch weapons, especially with Bradford letting them catch passes in stride during all those crossing routes we run…
    What’s going to come in handy down the road, a few years from now, is all 3 of our young WRs can lineup in the slot and outside, so in the future we can move them all around to best create mismatches…..add Sproles and Ertz to our passing game and Bradford should be towards the top of the league in terms of BIG PLAYS…. To have all these amazing pass catching weapons and such an accurate QB, behind a dominant run first rushing attack should provide some huge play action plays down field for Sammy to capitalize on,
    If Bradfird plays 16 games, he should be up there with Rothlisberger and Luck in terms of most big plays in a season

  130. 130 A_T_G said at 10:23 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    A JUG machine at home – that is a great story, but it makes me wonder how it is possible that they don’t all have them at home. What excuse could you possibly give a coach that says, “Hey, did you ever think about getting one of these for home?”

  131. 131 RogerPodacter said at 12:50 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    sorry, coach. township ordinance.

    also, i want to put together a joke about JUG machine –> JUGS –> strip club, but i just can’t get there today.

  132. 132 Jernst said at 11:34 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Can’t agree more! I’m excited as ever for the young talent on this team. Now if Sproles can clean up his drops (I’ve noticed a bad habit of him dropping easy passes going back to last year), there’s nothing holding this offense back. Even Sanchez can put up 30 points a week with this offense.

  133. 133 eagleyankfan said at 1:48 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    “his wife got pregnant” — wasn’t me

  134. 134 GEAGLE said at 9:55 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    I think Landon Collins and Cooper Taylor are the only Safetoes the Giants have left who aren’t injured…. LOL

  135. 135 eagleyankfan said at 9:56 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    I’ll start stretching now, they might call me.

  136. 136 cliff-Y U on a knee, 99?! said at 10:02 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    nope, Coughlin doesnt let his players stretch

  137. 137 peteike said at 11:00 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    thats Arians. Just heard Coughlin implemented yoga for their off days.

  138. 138 cliff-Y U on a knee, 99?! said at 11:03 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    oh, those 2 run together for me. the ‘get off my lawn’ twins.

  139. 139 MattE said at 12:52 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    new fangled yoga…. in Coughlins day they use to stretch with bourbon and cigars.

  140. 140 Media Mike said at 4:00 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    And Collins sucks! Plus they traded up for him.

  141. 141 GEAGLE said at 10:20 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    LOL “several Redskin offensive lineman dislike RG3” Hahahahah
    Good luck Playing a half against Scumbag Suggs and a dirty Ravens defense without Lineman having your back one week remove of getting killed in the second preseason game… Can’t wait to see the Ravens beat on him…

  142. 142 myartz04 said at 10:21 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Might be the first time in history that I watch a redskins game instead of the eagles…

  143. 143 GEAGLE said at 10:23 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Definitely must see TV, the mega trainwreck you can’t take your eyes off
    Skins gave up 58 sacks last year…. Lol that’s pretty terrible
    Hopefully Trent Williams doesn’t play tomorrow night since they are still far apart on his extension

  144. 144 peteike said at 10:59 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    I just checked my guide this morning and I couldnt find any games on Sat night on TV. Only the NFL network thing where they jump around to different games.

  145. 145 myartz04 said at 11:20 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    I usually buy the preseason package… $20 through nfl.com

  146. 146 Jernst said at 11:31 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    I can’t say I’m disappointed, but, my god it is tragic how that franchise has ruined such a promising and seemingly (at least initially) likeable young player like RG3.

  147. 147 Avery Greene said at 11:32 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Not franchise, owner. Snyder ruined him.

  148. 148 Jernst said at 1:10 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    You are right, Snyder is without a doubt the head to that hellacious pimple of a franchise. But, his coaches haven’t seemed to help much either.

    Always fun to reread this amazing list of grievances against Daniel Snyder every few years:

    If you haven’t read this yet…enjoy. Pure shadenfreude bliss.

  149. 149 GEAGLE said at 5:12 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I’m on record not being the least bit impressed by his rookie year when everyone was raving about him… He was able to have a big year only looking at his first read, and we always see that the next yeàr defense will adjust, and he will need to grow as a QB to stay ahead of the defense, and it’s years later and he still struggles to see the field and get thru his progressions..
    I wasn’t imprssed with his rookie season because I knew it was impossible to sustain success in the NFL only looking at your 1st read… Years later and it’s the same damn problem…. Like VICK, his athleticism crippled his growth as a QB… He was always successful, running and tnrowing to his first read, and it’s no secret NFL defenses would catch up and shut that down, and I don’t see much growth in terms of seeing the field and reading NFL defenses yet…
    RG3’is going to cost washington like a Decade of redskin football… After all the picks they gave up for him, by the time they grow the balls to move on from him, then find a quality starting QB and Develope him for a year or two, they will have wasted a decade of redskin football on this FRAUD

  150. 150 Tdoteaglefan said at 2:05 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    The offensive line’s gonna treat RG3 like Willie Beamen Vs New York in the Rain.
    “What’s the matter RG3..forgot your invisible juice?”.

  151. 151 GEAGLE said at 5:04 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Lol that already happened last time RG3 played in Philly. We gave him a beating he will never forget at the Linc… After one of our big hits we crushed him with, none of his teammates helped him up when he was laying on the ground, eventually an eagle player must have felt bad and helped him up! Lol
    They clearly didn’t like him years ago…. Big problem if he hasnt fixed it yet…. Every QB knows do not publically blame your OL after a crappy game, and RG3 has continued to point out “blocking” when answering questions about his poor play.. THIS IDIOT just doesn’t get it, he is going to get himself killed throwing his OL under the bus the way he does…
    Kid is a joke for an NFL QB… RG3 is like a step above TEBOW…. They say Owner Dan Snyder “Loves him” but how is that even possible? What’s there to love? RG3 failing basically singke handedly ruined a decade of redskin football because of the draft picks he cost them…. Morons finally get to draft in round 1’again, and they passed on the best player in the entire draft, Leonard williams to take a friggin Guard! Lol good thing the new GM was supposed to be their savior

  152. 152 BobSmith77 said at 10:36 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Is Jenkins the oldest 27-year old player you have seen?


    Lots of grey and even some white in his beard. Looks like he is in his mid-40s in that shot.

  153. 153 Jernst said at 11:30 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Roman Harper was the oldest 20 something year old I’ve ever seen. Dude looked like a grandfather out there.


  154. 154 MattE said at 12:49 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Being a DB takes a lot out of you these days lol.

  155. 155 Tdoteaglefan said at 1:52 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    lol thanks, I was just about to post Roman Harpers pic

    I remember Deion saying that he looked like Morgan freeman out there on the field

  156. 156 BobSmith77 said at 10:59 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    Ingredients are there and it is put up or shut up time for Davis and this defensive coaching staff.

    Been historically bad the last 2 seasons in terms of the amount of long passing plays (20+ and 40+ yards) they have allowed. Completely mitigates whatever success they have had controlling the run.

    Understand this scheme is still meant to emphasize stopping the run and that they’ll still likely give up their share of passing yards. That’s fine because they have a different emphasis than JJ’s defense did nor do they have the secondary talent to accomplish what the early 00s defenses did.

    Top 10 vs run, Top 15 vs pass (yards allowed), middle of the pack in red zone defense, and top 10 in forced turnovers and this defense should be good enough to get them in the playoffs & even win a game or two. Don’t need to be world-beaters just not the sieves they have been vs pass the last 2 seasons especially in the 2nd half.

  157. 157 Jernst said at 11:29 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    If they could just cut down on the historic amount of long passing plays, and get somewhere around league average there, while holding teams on a higher percentage of those 3rd and longs, they’ll be a top ten defense.

    Billy does a phenomenal job of generating confusion in the opposing teams blocking assignments and thus generating consistent pressure, even without a clear cut stud pass rusher like a DeMarcus Ware in his prime. And, overall his scheme seems very sound. And, the 3-4 two gap with our personnel lends itself to smothering the run.

    My only issue with him is the occassional bone head decision. Playing Boykin at rush outside LB in 2013, staying in base and leaving Chung on slot WRs (sometimes WRs like Dez too when he’d move to the slot) while Boykin was having a career year as the nickel back, and leaving Fletcher in press coverage against top WRs, on an island with no help over the top when he showed he couldnt handle that assignment, all come to mind.

    Maybe he won’t stop doing some of those things. But, with better personnel, Thurmond at safety who is actually made for and capable of covering WRs in the slot, and Maxwell/Carroll/Rowe outside who all excell at press man coverage, the results will be much better. Like I said, if they cut down on those long passes and back breaking 3rd and long conversions, they’ll be top ten in the league and as it stands now, I see no reason why those two things won’t improve.

  158. 158 unhinged said at 12:28 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Top 5 v run/top 10 v pass (yards per) is a reasonable goal, I believe. Davis has shown that he can game plan a credible pass defense, thinking of the playoff loss to NO, but he hasn’t had the talent or depth to consistently address both run and pass. If Davis and Undlin are sympatico this D can steal the offense’s thunder.

  159. 159 RogerPodacter said at 12:47 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    get off the field on more of those 3rd and longs and the rest of the stats will follow.

  160. 160 peteike said at 11:05 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    oof, Dez Bryant childhood just completely changed my opinion of the guy and it pains me to admit that. Its like a cognitive dissonance hangover. Okay Ill see myself out now.

  161. 161 Jernst said at 11:20 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    My favorite quote from that article: “I came from nothing and got no problem going back there. Mr. (Jerry) Jones thinks he knows me, but he don’t know (expletive).”

    Man, do I wish I could spout off about my boss that just signed over $45million to me, haha.

    But, you’re right. It really does open your eyes, when you hear about how some of these players were raised and what their lives were like growing up. I don’t think for a second I’d be where I am today if it wasn’t for such a stable upbringing and the love and guideance I received growing up.

  162. 162 Avery Greene said at 11:26 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    That’s the important thing, you get that and try to build on it and pass it off to your partner (or in some cases, kids). Having my mind framed to do better and to become a better person, leads me to where I am today.

  163. 163 A_T_G said at 12:48 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I read your comment as a response to Bert’s (or would it be Bert’s’s? Bert’s’?) It is oddly appropriate as such:

    That’s the important thing (that Jerruh is the worst). You get (that he is the worst) and try to build on it (into a hatred for the Cowboys) and pass (the hatred) off to your partner and kids (instead of focusing on the possible redeeming qualities of the story regarding Dez’s childhood). Having a mindframe (to focus on the evil in Dallas) makes me a better person and leads me to where I am today (supporting the better team).

  164. 164 peteike said at 1:18 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    thanks, I needed that. Someone had to put me on a proper path of fanhood. I was getting offtrack there

  165. 165 Bert's Bells said at 12:04 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Right on. I love that quote about Mr. Jones. Guys like Jerruh are the worst.

  166. 166 Sean Stott said at 12:26 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Totally true. When people go on about Michael Vick, some of which is earned, you have to put yourself in the shoes of someone who grew up in that lifestyle and knew nothing else. It’s easy to judge people when you grew up with a better life.

  167. 167 Ark87 said at 11:29 AM on August 28th, 2015:

    It took me off guard how significant the Travis Long ACL tear is for the team (in that it wasn’t as insignificant as I thought when I heard the news). Without him, our 4th (or 3rd) OLB comes from another position, either DE or ILB in Curry or Brad Jones. It’s suddenly imperative that MSII comes back healthy and contribute as a rotational OLB. Or will it be Braman? He has all the tools, hopefully he can take the next step. But we’re pretty much ready to go on D otherwise (still settling things at nickel CB but I think we’ll be ok there). Still feeling pretty bullish about the D overall though.

  168. 168 Greg Richards said at 12:15 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    It’s not as if Brad Jones is a career ILB that is being moved to OLB out of necessity. He was an OLB in college and started out in GB as OLB before being transitioned inside.

  169. 169 MattE said at 12:46 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    …i think there is always a better chance of finding linebackers in general that are “jack of all trades, master of none” types vs. stud 3-4 pass rushers… just not many of them…plus the DL i think will cover warts like they did last year, but those warts aren’t as big this year.

  170. 170 Ark87 said at 1:04 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    agreed on both points. Will also add the pressure we can bring up the middle via ILB should be pretty intimidating. If we rotate from graham to…well anyone at the moment, the best pass rusher on the field will be Kendricks by a comfortable margin (I would say Cox but Kendricks get the edge because Cox 2-gaps to give Kendricks that opportunity).

  171. 171 Jernst said at 1:20 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Coaches have been high on Long for awhile. It’s a shame though, with his injuries, none of us have really seen him do anything of note in game action. I think a combo of Vinny, MSII and Braman will more than suffice though. I hold my breath every preseason, but if Long is the worst season ending injury we see this offseason we’ll be incredibly lucky.

    I’m glad Vinny will get more opportunities to rush the passer because he’s probably our best natural pass rusher. Gotta get him on the field and if Long’s injury gets him more snaps it might work out even better for us production-wise.

    The guy I’m really interested in is Braman. I really want to see him get some snaps against 1st and second string OTs. Watching him feast on 3rd and 4th stringers is nice. Clearly he can destroy those guys, but it would be a huge boost for this defense if he can become more than just a ST demon.

    MSII still seems like he’s at least a year away from becoming a consistent contributor, if he ever actually turns that corner. But, he does look good in coverage and could certainly be the top back up to Barwin and get some snaps there. Just haven’t seen much from a pass rushing perspective from him yet.

    Brad Jones is someone that I’m not high on at all. He looked less than mediocre the few times I saw him last year playing for GB and he’s a pure ILB in my eyes, that they’re forcing into the OLB rotation out of necessity.

  172. 172 Ark87 said at 1:25 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    good points, can’t disagree with you on any of them.

  173. 173 xmbk said at 12:28 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Damn, Florio has really been pumping an agenda on the Suggs hit. Has he always been this much of a moron?

  174. 174 jpate said at 12:31 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Yes. Unfortunately his site reports almost everything that happens in the NFL and I can’t find one that’s similar.

  175. 175 laeagle said at 2:57 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Ever since Twitter exploded, I’ve been spared having to ever go to that shit show of a site. Florio is one of those people who loves taking shots at other people, but absolutely can’t stand it when someone takes shots at him, and he never lets it go. Truly annoying to watch adults act like kids I used to hate in school.

  176. 176 JoeBlow said at 12:39 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    it amazes me how much everyone gets caught up in the “read option” “zone read” lingo…..it was a simple handoff out of the shotgun, bradford wasn’t reading anything, the line is zone blocking…..this “rule” opens up every quarterback to get hit whether he is in shotgun or under center

  177. 177 peteike said at 1:19 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    yup exactly. That should be the conversation

  178. 178 Sean Stott said at 1:34 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Even Eagles fans don’t know the difference between the read option (which the Eagles virtually never run) and a simple zone read. Also, a zone read does not mean the QB has any intention of running.

  179. 179 xmbk said at 2:14 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Most of the media is ignoring the fact that it was clear he didn’t have the ball, and Suggs took multiple steps. All the rules discussion is a waste of time, you only need to watch the tape and not have an agenda.

    The whole thing is basically trolling at this point, waste of time. Just found it weird that a name like Florio is still out there trying to sell something. Guess tabloid journalism is why I heard of him in the first place.

  180. 180 sonofdman said at 2:50 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Yeah. In almost every discussion I’ve heard on TV (ESPN and NFL network) and radio, the talking head starts out saying “Well, if you are gonna run the ball with you quarterback, expect him to get hit.” And the discussion ignores the fact the Sam was not running or faking like he was going to run and he clearly did not have the ball when he got hit.

  181. 181 BlindChow said at 2:53 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Oddly enough, on the play right before it, Bradford handed the ball off and did fake running. Suggs somehow managed to catch it and pull off without hitting the QB.

    It definitely lends credence to the idea that he was subsequently “reminded” to go after the QB to “punish” the team for calling these kind of plays.

  182. 182 sonofdman said at 2:47 PM on August 28th, 2015:


  183. 183 RogerPodacter said at 12:51 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    omg. autoplaying ads. when they restart to play a new video, it scrolls the window up to put the video in view! arghhhhhhhh.
    i want to keep adblock off here so Tommy gets some ad revenue, but this makes it more painful!

  184. 184 Jernst said at 1:13 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Haven’t had any problems with this site, but recently phillymag’s birds 24/7 has been damn near unusable. Every time I click on a link I get 3 pop-up ads, one after the other.

  185. 185 Michael Winter Cho said at 2:29 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Flashcontrol is your friend. Makes it so you have to clip on any flash content for it to start.


    Thanks for reminding me; I just whitelisted Tommy’s site. Oh, cool, a picture of a fat lady in a bikini and 1 rule of the flat stomach.

  186. 186 MattE said at 12:59 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I feel this is one of our mantra’s now: Talent on Defense/Scheme over everything on Offense.

  187. 187 iceberg584 said at 1:13 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Exactly. And one of the things that Chip mentioned in the wake of the McCoy-Kiko trade was the desire to reallocate salary from the offense to the defense, which supports that philosophy.

    Despite the high-profile nature of our offseason, Chip has very stealthily assembled one of the best defenses in the conference. This is going to be interesting.

  188. 188 Bob Brewer said at 1:21 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I don’t feel good about the defensive coordinator.

  189. 189 Sean Stott said at 1:33 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    You should watch some of his press conferences. He inspires confidence by his simplicity.

  190. 190 Fufina said at 2:13 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I think he is a good DC, just not a great one. I like most of what we do on defence and are developing a competitive unit. Considering the scheme change and lack of talent Initially Billy has produced decent results.

    Where he has hugely struggled is againt the top offences with elite QB’S, who have lit us up both years. Now maybe better secondary play and Kiko can make that difference, but that is the big outstanding question for Billy and our Defence.

  191. 191 BlindChow said at 2:42 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    His devotion to Bradley Fletcher–and his claim that in hindsight he could have made a change–is deeply concerning. Everyone else who watched those games could tell you a change was needed.

  192. 192 Jernst said at 1:30 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    With the young talent locked up on this team for the foreseable future this team looks set to make some noise, not just this year, but for years into the future. If Bradford stays healthy and looks decent this year and resigns and Thurmond does the same at safety, we’ll be heading into next offseason with a drastically smaller set of needs than we’ve had in recent years. We’ll need to draft some guards on offense, and on defense we’ll be looking for depth mostly at OLB, S and maybe CB. THAT’s IT!

    Next year will be very interesting. Imagining this team staying intact, with a full year together, these young players growing into their roles and continuing to improve, the deck will be stacked with just some additional depth needed. I’d expect us to be highly selective in FA, with at most 1 top FA signing.

    But, imagine this exact roster with 1 additional impact FA and a high quality draft pick or two also added to the mix. I anticipate that there won’t be any issues with the few areas of depth that we currently lack next year. We’ll be far and away one of the most complete teams, top to bottom from a roster perspective.

  193. 193 iceberg584 said at 1:32 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    We probably need to start grooming an offensive tackle (in addition to guards). If Peters can play another several seasons, then it’ll just be for depth if nothing else.

  194. 194 Jernst said at 2:08 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Agreed. My assumption is that Lane will move over to LT, which is the hardest spot to fill on the Oline, when Peters eventually starts his inevitable decline. I’m assuming though that a freak of nature like Peters has at least 2 more years left in his body and since he shows no signs of slowing down to the point of needing to be replaced, I assume that won’t be an issue next off season.

    Ideally, though, I’d like to see us draft or sign via FA, one high caliber guard and draft another 1 or 2 OT/G type players that could conceivably grow into either role while serving as swing players in their rookie year. The good thing with Lane being as insanely athletic as he is, he has the feet, athleticism and skill to be a great fit at LT. RT is a lot easier to find, and given our need for lineman that can move, it’s likely that we can draft a few OGs that will also have the prerequisite skill to eventually take over at RT once Peters retires and Lane moves over or a few OTs that have the requisite strength to play OG in our system.

    Even so, if one of your top 5 needs going into a season is drafting OT depth to sit behind 2 pro-bowl level players so that a few years from now we can find an adequate RT, your roster is in GREAT shape. Think how different that is from this past offseason where we had needs for starters at WR, OG, RB, QB, OLB, both CB spots, S and really ILB too with DeMeco coming back from his second Achilles rupture at 31 years old, not to mention need for added depth at RB, OG, OT, OLB, ILB, CB, and S.

    Compare that list of needs with our expected needs next offseason (assuming Bradford and Thurmond work out and resign): Starters at OG (and maybe…maybe CB/NB) and depth at OT/OG and S. Chip rebuilt a lot of the roster in 1 off season, but it’s not perfect just yet. It’s totally conceivable that our roster will have no glaring weaknesses or needs going into next preseason.

  195. 195 Fufina said at 2:27 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Because we often do not use the TE to conventionally block nor use a RB to stay in pass protection we need a RT able to deal with elite pass rushers one v one.

    Think next off season if Bradford works out we will be hitting OL hard in both the draft and FA, as we need Tackle of the future, long term solution at LG and a starter at RG. Unfortunately none of our young OL are making the kind of jump I had hoped for (looks at Tolbin) so we will need to spend FA bucks and draft resources next year.

  196. 196 CrackSammich said at 2:40 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    You should probably wait until the end of the season to figure out our offseason needs. It’s the season of optimism and hope right now, and a fair number of our current superstars might not actually be superstars.

  197. 197 GEAGLE said at 3:53 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Yeah I highly doubt we will be playërs in next years free agent market… If we are lucky we will add a free agent or two, but we will be more focused on extending our own talent… I wouldn’t be surprised if we add any free agents at all, but hopefully we get one or two…..extend our young Talent, have a solid draft filling in some needed depth at T/G, C/G, a safety…. Possibly OLBs(not sure yet that we will need to add OLBs yet)… I don’t even think we need corners…Nolan will prove to be a quality starter, I have little doubts about that, ROWE should be able to start next year, Maxwell is a stud, we get JaCorey Shepard back next year, if Thurmond stays healthy Im sure we bring him back, but if we get a new Safety, Thurmond could move back to Corner adding to our depth.
    We just need to develop the corner talemt we have on our roster..I’m not sure Corner will be a Need like most people seem to think..
    Today we might lack OLB, but after another year of growth for MS2, and a year of OLB snaps for Vinny Curry, if we extend Vinny which is what I expect to happen, after this season we could have a nice rotation of Barwin, BG, Curry and MS2…. We MGHT need OLB depth, but like thI corner position after this season we find out that we had more OLB depth then we thought
    mainly all I reallly care about adding via the draft next year is:
    1) Starting Caliber T/G
    2) Starting Caliber Guardi who can slide in an replace KELCE if he misses time to injury
    3) Quality young Safety, I’d give anything to draft Jaylen Ramsey

    We could end up needing OLB and Corner, but we can also be pleasantly surprised with what we are getting out of Marcus and Vinny…
    Next year Jordan and Huff are going Into year 3, so I think we can add more young talent at WR… Maybe draft a WR to replace Cooper next year AND bring Sheed Bailey off our practice squad to replace Miles Austin next year…
    We are going to prove t be one of the top teams this year, with quality depth, but after another offseasn of depth additipn and growing our young Talent, we could have a Juggernaut on our hands next year

  198. 198 TypicalDouche said at 4:03 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I rank them as G, T, definitely at least one corner because Carroll is on his final year of his deal, and then Safety. Everything for depth except guard. Its good to say that the Eagles can draft for depth and not need.

  199. 199 GEAGLE said at 4:57 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I expect to get like 3 more years out of Jason Peters, but as his age things can change quickily so we def have to start grooming Lanes eventually replacement for when Lane moves to the left side in a few years to replace Peters…. I expect Nolan Carroll to be extended, because even if ROWE beats him out for starting outside corner next year, nolan can play Nickel or Dime next to JaCorey Shep, while backing up ROWE and Maxwell
    I expect Nolan to be an Eagle for another 2-3 years, extremely hardworking, high character guy from a great,family, versatility to play any corner position, and he is a pretty good st player having played for coacg Fipp in Miami.. This team is building a legit Contender, And I expect Nolan to want ta be a part of that and get something like a two year extension…

    Few will agree with me, but one of my top 3 NEEDS for next offseqson is a quality backüp for KELCE who has missed a lot of time due to multiple injuriea… I desperately want a starting Caliber Guard/Center. If Gardner continues to develop into a qua.ity starter then the Guard/Center we draft can sit the bench for a few years backing up guard and Center, or this player can start at Guard, and slide to Center if KELCE has to miss Gametime…
    Right now Id say we need to add
    1) G/C
    2) Tackle/Guard
    3) Safety
    After this season I think Maxwell, Nolan, ROWE, JaCorey give us a nice core of corners to build around,. And if we happen to find a quality starting safety, we could even move Thurmond to corner giving us 5 Quality corners….. and that’s not taking into account Jaylen Watkins, Biggers, Rice growing into Keepers….. if we add a quality starting Safety, it could bolster both our Safety room, AND Improve Corner depth by moving Thurmond back to corner…… But Thurmond will need to stay healthy to be an eagle past this season…. I SO BADLY WANT TO DRAFT Jaylen Ramsey, but He should get drafted,top 12…

    Add two OL, a Safety…… And second tier needs, maybe add another WR when coop and Austin are gone, we MIGHT need an OLB but I doubt it.. OLB is a Bigger NEED NOW, then it should be NEXT year when MS2 has another year of Growth and Curry has a year of OLB experience under his belt(assuming we extend him)..

    If we can keep this roster togetger and remain one of the healthier team, we should be a Juggernaut after another Draft, and summer or growth… I think we can play with anyone this year, but I expect to go into the 2016/17 season FEARED by most teams because of the depth I expect chup to accumulate.,,
    Of course this is early speculation, things can look different 6 months from now… But I would be shocked to see us add more then a free agent or two next year…assume we will be busy extending our own players. Hopefully we have a strong,draft..

    What picks DO we have next year? Correct me if I’m wrong please:
    1st RD

    Two 3rd picks
    Two 4th Rd Picks
    5th rd
    6th rd
    7th rd
    It’s clear that it’s much harder to make this years roster then past year because we are so much deeper then we have ever been…if we can keep this roster together we probably don’t have room for 10 new players next year (8 via draft, 2 free agents), so we could possibly see a draft where we package picks a few times to move up and get a few kids we target, stressing QUALITY over QUANTITY during Mext years draft ..
    Chip Wasnt fucking around two years ago when he said he is building a PROGRAM…it’s amazing we had two 10 win seasons in the first two years of the building process…. IF we have our Franchise QB on our roster already, we are going to be a serious contender for years to come..
    The ONLY thing that can hold us back is if we find out Braford ISNT the answer…. But if we can keep this kid on the field for 4-5 seasons under chip Kelly, he is winning us a Lombardi!!!!!

  200. 200 phillychuck said at 5:14 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    If Bradford doesn’t work out, I’m guessing we’ll be big players for a FA QB.

  201. 201 Sean Stott said at 1:49 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Someone mentioned this on the Eagles subreddit, but God does Bradford look like a dweeb with those full length sleeves, a la Peyton Manning. Sanchez’s half sleeves are way more appropriate for an athlete.



  202. 202 Ark87 said at 1:58 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Agreed, I kinda like it on Maxwell though, combined with the tape on the fingers, and the loose (as opposed to under armor skin tight) sleeves, he kind of looks vintage.

  203. 203 Sean Stott said at 2:00 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Maxwell looks crazy with it, I love it.

    But that actually reminds me, I thought all non-QBs and kickers must wear the athletic sleeves that have the elastic band that sits up high on the shoulder?


  204. 204 Ark87 said at 2:13 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    took a while to find but I found the article you’re referencing I think, first regarding Jersey’s:

    Jersey must cover all pads and other protective equipment worn on the torso and upper arms, and
    must be appropriately tailored to remain tucked into the uniform pants throughout the game.
    Tearaway jerseys are prohibited. Mesh jerseys with large fishnet material (commonly referred to as
    “bullet-hole” or “port-hole” mesh) are also prohibited. Surnames of players in letters a minimum of 2
    1/2-inches high must be affixed to the exterior of jerseys across the upper back above the numerals;
    nicknames are prohibited. All jerseys must carry a small NFL Equipment logo at the middle of the
    yoke of the neck on the front of the garment. All fabrics must be approved by the League office prior
    to production.

    Then under the Jersey’s:
    Quarterbacks will be allowed to wear under the game jersey a solid-color T-shirt, turtleneck, or
    sweatshirt (consistent with team undergarment color) with sleeves cut to any length, as long as both
    sleeves are evenly trimmed and the edges are sewn and hemmed. All other players may wear
    garments under game jerseys only if the undergarment sleeves either (a) do not extend below the
    sleeves of the jersey; or (b) are full length to the wrist. No other sleeve lengths for garments under
    jerseys are permitted for players other than quarterbacks. Players may not wear long-sleeved
    undergarments that include pebble-grip sleeves. Any garments under jerseys that are exposed at the
    neck or sleeve area and that carry an exposed logo or commercial name must be licensed by and
    approved by the League office for wear on the field (see Article 7). All members of the same team who
    wear approved undergarments with exposed necks or sleeves must wear the same color on a given
    day, which color must be white or a solid color that is an official team color (solid means that sleeves
    must not carry stripes, designs, or team names).


    So yeah Jersey there are no restrictions I guess as long as it covers the shoulder pads and can be tucked into the pants. The restrictions about what you can wear under the pads I never heard of. Looks like the restriction for non QB’s is that it is the same color as all the other non-QB’s are wearing and that it is either hidden by the Jersey or goes all the way to the wrist.

  205. 205 Dave said at 5:51 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I think this came to head from Darryl Tally wearing those Spiderman sleeves in the 1990s.

  206. 206 Ark87 said at 6:13 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    you are almost certainly correct lol

  207. 207 anon said at 6:23 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    put that under things that could never happen today.

  208. 208 laeagle said at 2:55 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Dear god, when will this bullshit about the sleeves stop? Who gives a damn? What should we talk about next, haircuts?

  209. 209 BlindChow said at 2:57 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Look at them sideburns! He looks like a girl. Now, Johnny Unitas, there’s a haircut you could set your watch to!

  210. 210 peteike said at 3:16 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    haha, that was great

  211. 211 Sean Stott said at 3:09 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Some people care about aesthetics, you don’t. There are websites devoted to uniforms so its not some obscure comment.

    Don’t be a douchebag about it.

  212. 212 laeagle said at 3:12 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    There are websites devoted to fan fiction about Chip Kelly and Hermione Granger. Doesn’t mean it’s a good thing.

    Honestly, it’s a stupid thing to talk about by any sane measure.

  213. 213 BobSmith77 said at 3:30 PM on August 28th, 2015:


  214. 214 peteike said at 3:37 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    he probably does not kid. They made fan erotic fiction with dinosaurs

  215. 215 Bert's Bells said at 3:38 PM on August 28th, 2015:


  216. 216 Ark87 said at 3:40 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    This one is actually really active, he actively watching for updates and alternative announcements on a daily basis, besides constantly ranking and critiquing uniform alterations/reveals.

    Edit, oops I thought you were asking Stott to put up a link about people caring about uni’s lol

  217. 217 A_T_G said at 4:25 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I was truly worried until I got to the edit.

  218. 218 Ark87 said at 4:29 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    My reading comprehension and typing takes an astronomical dive while I’m sneaking in some igglesblitz at work. Constantly editing.

  219. 219 laeagle said at 3:41 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    OK, maybe I got confused. I write fan fiction in which a super cool version of me reads “Chip Kelly/Hermione Granger” fan fiction on the internet, all the time. It’s really good stuff.

  220. 220 A_T_G said at 4:03 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    And yet you STILL don’t include a sample. You are just being mean now.

  221. 221 A_T_G said at 3:39 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    How dare you tease me like that. I went scrambling to Google and nothing.


    You are probably the type of guy that thinks baseball pants should go down to the shoes.

  222. 222 laeagle said at 3:45 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I prefer no pants be worn at all.

    Not just in baseball, but in LIFE.

  223. 223 laeagle said at 3:46 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Wow. Love how the second item listed on that search is “Pinkie the Butt-Hurter”.

  224. 224 Greg Richards said at 4:29 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Hermione Granger in the movies or the actress that played her now? Because I can come up with some fan fiction about the latter, but Chip Kelly won’t be anywhere in it.

  225. 225 laeagle said at 4:31 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I’m imagining some kind of crossing worlds thing, in which all are there simultaneously: each Hermione from each movie, plus the actress, plus Chip Kelly from each of his coaching stints, plus Chip Kelly’s torso and head on a horse’s body, centaur-style.

    A_T_G, you’re up. Let’s finish this story!

  226. 226 A_T_G said at 5:06 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Current day Chip walk along the row of Hermonies. He is wearing a polo shirt with full short sleeves, loose stretch-knit cuff on his bicep. In his hands are a tailor’s tape measure and a yardstick. He looks disapprovingly at the youngest Hermonies. She is wearing a sundress with Sanchez-length sleeves, highlighted with lace.
    “Big prisoners do unpleasant stuff to little prisoners.” remarks Chip. “I am not going to be that little prisoner, in Azcaban or anywhere.”
    From the other end of Hermonies row, the centaur Chip is standing in front of the present day actress. He is wearing a long-sleeve button-down shirt with the sleeves rolled twice. She is wearing a see-through three-quarter sleeve top over a sleeveless tank top. “I’d like to visit this one’s Chamber of Secrets, and maybe Slitherin.”

    Who is next?

  227. 227 Media Mike said at 4:32 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    25 year old Emma Watson is much less creepy to creep on that the Hermione version from the film. Strong work in pre-drawing that distinction.

  228. 228 HawaiianEagle said at 4:47 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Hey, hey, hey… When I’m reborn I want to come back as Ron Weasley so I can f… I mean, see Hermione every day.

  229. 229 Bert's Bells said at 3:38 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    But what’s his package look like?

  230. 230 A_T_G said at 3:40 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I heard they work on Tebow’s package in meetings.

  231. 231 Bert's Bells said at 4:30 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    He’s feeling good about the D

  232. 232 A_T_G said at 4:22 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Way off topic, but I invented a fun new telemarketer game that I play. I have a pretty deep voice, so when a telemarketer calls and asks for my wife, I respond, “This is her.” and then start counting in my head.

    The one that I just told I wasn’t interested took a 6-count of silence before she politely said good afternoon and continued on her script.

  233. 233 Media Mike said at 4:33 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I have a better game I play……………..don’t answer the phone and scold people who don’t text.

  234. 234 A_T_G said at 4:38 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Your game doesn’t sound very fun.

  235. 235 Media Mike said at 4:41 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Because the phone isn’t fun. I’d love to live by this credo

    “Paulie hated phones. He wouldn’t have one in his house.”

  236. 236 RobNE said at 5:10 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Good movie

  237. 237 Ark87 said at 4:39 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    the effect would work better if your wife had a stripper name. One of the clinicians that works in my office specializes in gender identity and sexuality. It’s a great bunch but it’s a damn good thing that parents pick our names for us. Turns out when you get to pick your own name, more often than not it ends up sounding like a stage name, Pokemon, ancient historian, or pharmaceutical.

    On a similar note my great grandma used to put telemarketers on hold and get out her own survey for them to take, then upon completion she would say she really had to go to the bathroom, so sorry! click

    She used to get social security numbers and all kinds of stuff from some of those callers.

  238. 238 A_T_G said at 4:51 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    When my brother and I were kids, home alone during the summer while my parents were at work, we would pause in our current mischief when a telemarketer called. Each of us would get a phone and the two of us would debate the merits of the service or item being peddled, slowly ramping up into a name-calling, screaming argument, until the caller hung up.

  239. 239 Ark87 said at 5:04 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    anytime you can give a telemarketer more than they bargained for I’m all for it. It’s been happening for many decades now and I’ve never once witnessed or heard of a telemarketer call going well for the telemarketer. How is it still a thing? Where’s the payoff? It’s one of life’s mysteries I’m determined to solve before I die.

  240. 240 Avery Greene said at 8:16 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    🙁 Now I’m going to have to tell my brother I’m disappointed he didn’t think of this first (he’s the older one).

  241. 241 Joe Minx said at 5:27 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Air horn. Get one, use at will. Works every time.

  242. 242 Iskar36 said at 7:14 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    My dad used to tell telemarketers, “Oh, I think my wife was interested…” would then walk away from the phone for 10 minutes.

  243. 243 D3FB said at 10:52 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Montgomery County Morgue. You Kill ’em, We grill ’em.

  244. 244 Greg Richards said at 4:52 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    NFL continues to piss me off. They send a video to the media explaining that the hit to Bradford was legal because the ball was still in the RBs “belly”. NOT TRUE!!!! The ball was clearly already handed off.

  245. 245 Bert's Bells said at 5:01 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    That doesn’t bother me like the hit to the knees does.

    There’s just no question there.

  246. 246 Greg Richards said at 5:02 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    If you’re treating the QB like a runner, then the hit to the knees is legal. He wasn’t a runner. That’s the issue.

  247. 247 anon said at 6:15 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    i’m annoyed theres still nothing on that blatant punch to the stomach

  248. 248 Greg Richards said at 6:41 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    It gets worse. While I don’t recall seeing it live, someone said there’s another play where Suggs clotheslined Celek. He wasn’t penalized for that either.

  249. 249 anon said at 7:02 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    yeah saw the vine on that one def closeline. I guess nothing matters pre-season

  250. 250 Avery Greene said at 8:14 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    He was penalized for it, but they declined it because Huff picked up the 1st down.

  251. 251 Greg Richards said at 9:27 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Good that there was a declined flag, but he should still be fined regardless if they accepted the penalty or not.

  252. 252 Avery Greene said at 8:14 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I tweeted Matt Lombardo and Les Bowen about that but haven’t heard anything.

  253. 253 Greg Richards said at 5:02 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Another thing. In Sep of 2013, this is what Blandino said the standard was: “if the quarterback has clearly handed off the football,and he’s standing still, or fading backwards, he cannot be unnecessarily contacted.”

    In the video, Blandino says the QB “has to make it clear” he doesn’t have the football. That is not the same fricking thing. Is it really that hard for Blandino and the NFL to get their act together and be consistent? In the former, the standard is simply is the ball clearly handed off and the standard whether than is a fine or not could be based simply off video replay. In this case, the ball was clearly handed off. The second gives the benefit of the doubt to the defender and puts the onus on the QB to prove he doesn’t have the ball.

    Why the hell is the defender being given the benefit of the doubt here but when a PR hits the QB at the last second after a pass, he’s not? In that case, the safety of the QB is the priority. The only reason for there to be a difference in the standard here is because of a bias toward traditional drop back passing attacks.

  254. 254 Greg Richards said at 5:59 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Do want to correct one thing. I should have waited until actually seeing the video before characterizing Blandino’s comments. It doesn’t appear he actually used the “make it clear” language. That was reported by ESP. I should have known not to rely on his accuracy.

    Regardless, it’s damn clear that he had clearly handed the ball off and the football wasn’t in the RB’s “belly”.

  255. 255 James said at 5:00 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    How can I watch the week 2 preseason game? Lost forever?

  256. 256 Anders said at 5:14 PM on August 28th, 2015:


    People should watch the Kelly mic’ed up.

  257. 257 JoeBlow said at 5:49 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    thank you for bringing this to my attention, great stuff!

  258. 258 P_P_K said at 8:07 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    This is cool, thanks. Chip seems like a genuinely sincere guy.

  259. 259 A_T_G said at 8:12 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Good stuff. After watching Chip mic’ed up, watch the Alonzo interview and tell me how the concussion doctor ever knows if he is concussed or recovered.

  260. 260 JoeBlow said at 8:29 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    lol, I believe english is his second language, but yeah…perhaps he’s been drug tested a few times?

  261. 261 GEAGLE said at 5:37 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I was able to get thru all of VINNY Currys snaps for the last game…… PLEASANTLY surprised, looked better then I thought he did watching it live,. Forced a holding penalty, could have forced about 4..
    the play where the Ravens completed a 20yard pass down the left sideline making a contested catch on EJ Biggers (DIDNT turn around on the play grr), VInny exploded off the snap (from standing OLB positipn), got a great pass rush, got right in the QBs face, got his hand up to tip it, forced QB to rush the throw, but he threw it up and a 6’4 WR caught it over BIGGERS… He didn’t record sacks, but he forced a couple incompletions making the QBs throw the ball sooner then they wanted to….very encouraging first game at OLB…

    I’d bet, OLB depth wont be the problem people think it is this year… Curry and MS2 should both continue to grow and progress playing OLB over the course of the season…Brad Jones has plenty of experiemce on the outside.. And when we go to our 4man lines on 3rd down, the OLB becomes a 4-3 DE and we all know Curry can play that role just fine, heck, Fletcher Cox can even take some snaps as a 4-3 DE

    So while OLB depth is a question at the moment, I think we will be pleasantly surpised by what we get off the edge this year beyond Barwin and BG
    PS……. Don’t be shocked if we see Curry sigń an extension before October.

  262. 262 Greg Richards said at 6:05 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    That just looked like a good pass by the QB to me. Threw it where only the WR could catch the ball.

  263. 263 GEAGLE said at 6:20 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    QB did what he was supposed to do, throw it up to a WR with a size advantage over the corner… But It was still a clear “QB Hurry” for VInny forcing the QB to get rid of it……. EJ Biggers has been much better then I expected, but he did his best Brad Fletcher Impression on that play, not getting his head around to see the ball
    Mayock pointed out VInny getting caught in those bootlegs but I thought it was a promising start for moving him back to the edge rusher role he has always played…. Our OLB usually becomes a 4-3 DE on 3rd down and EVERYONE knows VInny can fill that role just fine,… Just needs some work playing OLB on 1st and 2nd down…. Drop the few times we ask him to…set the edge in the run…
    VInny Curry said Chip approached him with the Idea of playing some OLB after last season, so this was clearly in chips mind before Travis Long and Marcus Smith ever got hurt… That’s a damn good sign IMO. VInny giving us snaps at OLB makes it much easier to justify extending his contract and it should get him on the field more now that he can play inside, along with edge rusher role he always played…. VInny is going to pLay this season at 275lbs… Which is a BIG EDGE rUsher, but a smaller 3-4 DE, yet I expect him to have a breakout year in both roles
    Double Digit sacks for VInny, BG and BARWIN…. Like to see Marcus smith get 4’sacks this year…. Marcus ISNT a finished product so we should see him continue to grow over the course of this season and end up seeing a much better player in early December, then we see in September

  264. 264 GEAGLE said at 6:05 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    We have to make our first cuts after this next game
    Packers seem to be sitting all their starters
    it might be a Rainy night in LAMBAEU..
    Our 3 ILBs allegedly plan on playing tomorrow
    Combination of everything makes me think it might be a good idea to give our starting defense,the night off….kids like the “UNKNOWNS” (Cox,Logan,Thornton) have been playng together in this defense for years now. I trust them being ready to play in Atlanta without playing a 3rd preseason game…
    barwin is so damn important to our defense, he is a veteran… I’d rather not see him play any more this preseason
    I know our 3 ILBs want to play, Meco is coming back from an achiles, Kiko an ACL, KEndricks a minor hamstring issue…. Do we really want them coming back to play a meaningless game in the Rain? If it doesn’t rain, im fine with them getting their first taste of game action of the year, but If it Rains tomorrow night, I don’t want our starters playing..
    Possibility of Losing Maxwell, Thurmond, Jenkins, Nolan, BARWIN and so on and so on and so on, is probably not worth a half of preseason reps.. If it doesn’t rain, fine…….but if it rains or the field is muddy, shut It down and play our backups, and important players who need more work like ROWE in the slot, Curry at OLB, get Agholor some work
    I wouldn’t mind an entire game of Reynolds and Couplin at safety since it looks like we can only keep 1’of the two, since we have 4 safeties who are a lock to make it in Jenkins, Thurmond, Maragos and Prosinski

  265. 265 anon said at 6:13 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    a whole game of barkely and tebow? i might not watch

  266. 266 Insomniac said at 6:19 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Just tune in for the defense.

  267. 267 GEAGLE said at 6:43 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I don’t care if we risk sanchez 😉

  268. 268 cliff-Y U on a knee, 99?! said at 9:21 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    yeah you will ;]
    think of it as a preseason game for 4th preseason game.

  269. 269 Insomniac said at 6:26 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Should we keep Taylor Hart? He hasn’t done anything yet and boy I’m glad Howie talked Chip out of taking him in the 3rd round last year.

  270. 270 GEAGLE said at 6:42 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    stop it…

  271. 271 Insomniac said at 7:35 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Uh no. We’re not keeping project players if they don’t show anything. See Joe Kruger.

  272. 272 Greg Richards said at 6:44 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    He generated some pass-rush last game. Offensive and defensive line are positions where it’s hard to judge live unless they’re playing really well or really poorly.

  273. 273 GEAGLE said at 7:06 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Doubt Taylor Hart will ever be judged by his pass rush… If he two gapped well and allowed our Linebackers to make plays, then he did his job…

  274. 274 GEAGLE said at 6:52 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Texans cut safety Stevie Brown…. Doesn’t seem to be injury related, I guess they are happy with the return of Demps… Anyone know if his play warrants a closer look?… If we had an injury to Jenkins or Thurmond, do we have better replacements then Stevie Brown? No idea how he has played the past year

  275. 275 Greg Richards said at 7:00 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Not a scheme fit. He had 8 picks one year, but he’s more of a box safety. He was a FA for a long time before the Texans signed him. I doubt the Eagles would show interest now.

  276. 276 anon said at 7:00 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    he was pretty good before the ACL, i guess not so good now.

  277. 277 Fufina said at 7:12 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I watched the the pre season coaches tape for the first 2 games and i was pleasantly surprised by Reynolds, i think he looked pretty good and dependable playing deep field. He is not a guy you want to bring down into the slot so not ideal for what Billy ideally wants, but i think he can be an NFL Safety playing deep field.

    If Thurmond gets injured you can put Reynolds as the deep safety and move Jenkins around to cover the slot match ups and lower zones in coverage and leave Reynolds as the deepest safety in cover 1 or 3.

    I think he has a good chance to be the 3rd depth safety and if he can continue to make plays on special teams he could dress on game days.

  278. 278 GEAGLE said at 7:04 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Now that fans see that the master plan was to build depth and that we are seeing Chip is really building a Program with more depth then we have had in a long times, fans have to get used to the idea that in some cases we will have to wait 3-4 years to see draft picks we are high on in big roles…

    For example, The Eagles love Jordan Hicks, they think highly of him and they expect his day to come where we are counting on Hicks to be a starter on this defense… With that said, you might not see Hicks start for 3 or 4 years… Doesn’t mean he is a bad pick or a bust…
    In some cases we get young players in the draft that will play a role immediately, in other cases there will be quality draft picks that will have to wait 3 years before they even become starters in this city… So this fanbase will have to smarten up and understand that not every quality draft pick will provide instant gratification..
    Is there a chance we cut Taylor Hart? WTF have people lost their minds? Are we going to cut a player at a position we are stacked at because he hasn’t provided enough instant gratification before the start of his second season? REALLY?
    To the people down on Hart, pleas humor me…
    Are you down on Hart because he isn’t already starting ahead of Cox or Thornton?
    Are you down on Hart because he has exhibited poor two gap technique?
    Are you seeing Offenaive lineman throw him out the way and then go smash our Linebackers?

    our “snowflake package” Beau, Bair and Hart has played well. Our 2nd team run defense has been solid, they have kept linebackers like acho and Brad Jones clean so they can make plays, doing their job, two gapping and keeping opponents off our linebackers…

    Not every draft pick will look like a world beater in his first or second season… Doesn’t make him a bust it a bad pick, so hopefully we smarten up a little since we are going to have to get used to what will be a very deep roster these next 2-3 years…. Some draft picks will play immediately and make fans happy… Other draft picks will make us wait 3-4 years til they prove to be good picks…. Hopefully fans learn from past mistakes and stop treating young players like trash because they aren’t playing right away…,

  279. 279 Greg Richards said at 7:07 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I will say that sometimes you have to cut good players to keep other good players. It could be a numbers game for Hart. Don’t see it with Curry also playing OLB. Not out of the realm of possibility though that they’ll see more upside in a Brian Mihalik for example.

  280. 280 76mustang said at 9:35 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Haven’t seen any 53 projections by beat reporters that excluded Hart, in fact there’s been praise (see Mike Mayock) for both Hart and Bair this camp and preseason.

    I agree that this roster is the deepest in Chip’s tenure, and that, going forward, it will take exceptional, consistent play from first and second year players to crack the starting lineup – which is the way it should be.

    The cut down to 53 is going to be painful this year. It’s way past time that the owners agree to expand the rosters.

  281. 281 JoeBlow said at 7:25 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    London Fletcher just called Chip “the Einstein of the NFL”

  282. 282 P_P_K said at 8:04 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Chip = MCsquared.

  283. 283 GEAGLE said at 7:38 PM on August 30th, 2015:

    Lol that’s cuz Chips tempo made him finally retire along with Kelce owning him of course

  284. 284 HazletonEagle said at 8:21 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Bortles is putting together a nice long drive here. I love Yeldon, and its really nice to have Dennard Robinson coming in after him.

    Surprised Larry Webster is starting. I wonder if he actually won the job this year of if hes playing with starters due to injury or rest.

    Wheres my boy Kyle Van Noy? Dont tell me hes injured again. Id expect him to be starting if healthy. Beast.

  285. 285 D3FB said at 10:48 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    He’s got an undisclosed injury (I’m guessing back) and is expected to miss most of the season.

  286. 286 HazletonEagle said at 11:28 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    thats a shame. he was also injured last year. wonder if hes ever going to get to show off his talents.

  287. 287 anon said at 3:05 AM on August 29th, 2015:


  288. 288 HazletonEagle said at 8:25 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    my god Bortles threw some beauties on that drive. Great accuracy. beautiful pass on the TD.

  289. 289 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:17 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    huh huh huh… Tommy said ‘D’

  290. 290 cliff-Y U on a knee, 99?! said at 9:19 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    dont do FFLs, but Cam Newton has to be 15-20th range. have no idea who he’s going to pass to outside Olsen. OL doesnt look great either.

  291. 291 Tdoteaglefan said at 11:14 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Yeah he looked good but all his receivers had hands like feet tonight..i saw abou 7 passes that were right on the money that were dropped..including a TD smh

  292. 292 anon said at 3:05 AM on August 29th, 2015:

    yeah it’s ugly, took olsen though at TE.

  293. 293 bushisamoron said at 10:57 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    Reid really did us no favors with the players he drafted. From what i have heard, scouts would grade all year and then Reid and co. would come in, disregard their work and pick the players. KC made a good decision bringing in John Dorsey from GB to run their personnel dept. Reid is way out of his league in that regard (not to mention clock management, run/pass ratio, second half adjustments, etc).

  294. 294 Avery Greene said at 11:16 PM on August 28th, 2015:

    I really wanted Big Red to get us a chip. Some of those teams, especially 2002 & 2004 were the years I thought we had it. He outcoached himself in a couple of those games and we lost. 2003 he should have just stayed with Duce, but instead he decided to throw inside the 20 with Detmer. SMH.

    I hate to say this, but better coaching would have yielded at least one superbowl IMO.

  295. 295 unhinged said at 1:05 AM on August 29th, 2015:

    Hindsight is 20/20, but I think as much credit as Reid deserves for helping to bring respectability and continuity to the franchise, he was only ever going to take our guys as far as our defense was going to permit, and our defense, unfortunately was at its peak 2 or 3 years before our offense became competent. In 2004, the landing of Owens was a shot of adrenaline for our offense that reinvigorated, and was aided by, the McNabb/Westbrook threat, but Freddie Mitchell and Todd Pinkston, Greg Lewis, Billy McMullin and L.J. Smith were barely adequate as a supporting cast. Thanks, in part to league-wide mediocrity, our guys plowed through the season that year with relative ease. But by that year, our defense was already in a declining posture. Our best corner had retired (Troy Vincent), and our best linebacker (Trotter) was past his prime, and Hugh Douglas was on the sidelines more often than not. Don’t get me wrong, I rooted hard for our 2004 effort, but Dhani Jones and Mark Simoneau were getting pushed around routinely, and only Dawkins in our secondary was sustaining our very youthful DB unit. The window for us was closing fast, because the defense that Reid inherited from Rhodes was never stronger than our 2001 personnel. Reid’s coaching can be faulted to a degree, I grant you, but I would argue that his coaching was never the driving force behind 5 division titles. Jim Johnson was a master of schemes and in-game calls who deserves more credit than he is generally given, in my opinion.

  296. 296 wee2424 said at 12:50 AM on August 29th, 2015:

    Love the moves Kelly has made this off season besides the trading of Boykin. I guess the move cannot be fully judged untill we see how whomever mans the slot this year turns out and how our 4th round pick develops that was received from the trade.

    That being said is anyone else find it disconcerting how the coaching staff hasn’t seemed to find someone that they seem to feel comfortable with in the slot? Even before Shepard went down I was worried about it. Even before they tried Rowe in the slot I felt as though his skill set was not meant for it. I don’t think Carrols is either. Even if Carroll does move into the slot and Rowe goes outside when need be I think that then makes a weakness on the outside. I like Rowe but rookie CBs do scare me.

    I understand that not having a good slot CB would hurt us less then some teams due to how our safeties can move into slot (especially Thurmond) but you cannot do that on the majority of the snaps when a nickel is needed.

    I am very high on this D, but I do think depth at OLB and lack of a perceived slot CB could really hurt us. I understand looking for the future and getting something for Boykin, but not if it creates a weak link on the current team.

    Anyone else think Curry learning OLB means there is a higher chance he will be extended at some point? I do think alot depends on Bradford and Coxs future contracts concerning cap space.

  297. 297 Fufina said at 1:45 AM on August 29th, 2015:

    I think we will stay in base 3-4 on first 2 downs even against 3 WR formations. We like playing cover 1 and 3 as our principle coverages which only needs 1 deep safety and our LB’s are athletic enough to take on coverage responsibilities against TE’s and RB’s or lower zone coverages. The other Safety slides down to cover the slot receiver.

    Only time when we will be using a slot CB is on passing downs (3rd down and 2nd and long), It is interesting that Carroll is now looking to take nickel snaps in that situation and Rowe to work outside in some situations. While slot CB is a specialist position we are talking about less than 30-40% of snaps this coming year and we have good slot corners (just playing safety) who we can bring down to cover elite slot WR’s.

    Curry is still a DLineman – he is working doing their 1 on 1 drills and training with them. Just for flexibility he did a couple of days of OLB team drills and some got some game tape to teach off. He will play some DE in our 4 man 3rd down looks which include some ‘OLB’ coverage drops but it will be very limited.

    The depth issue is over stated. We have 2 quality starters, a young player who is developing with elite athletic potential. We have a special teams specialist who can cover and set the edge. We have excellent pass rushing ILB’s who we can look to contribute sacks and pressure if needed. Unless Barwin and Graham both go down for an extended period we will be fine (and that is the same for pretty much every team if they loose their 2 top pass rushers).

  298. 298 wee2424 said at 11:57 AM on August 29th, 2015:

    I agree regarding how our safeties will be used. That being said the percentage in which you stated a slot CB will be used (closer to 40% then 30%) highlights my exact concerns. While it may not be the majority of snaps that is still a big percentage and an awful lot of snaps. Having a potential weak link on the field for around 40% of snaps can really swing a game.

    Depth at OLB is a big concern. Not just because injury but because rotation. Part of what made our predator position so effective last year was a rotation. Saying it is not a concern may be ignoring the fact that Cole and BG were in a rotation in which BG saw around I believe 46% of the snaps. If Smith does not step up that could be a problem.

    A perfect example was at the end of last year. Cole was hurt. BG was the starter and there really wasn’t a rotation. The position suffered a setback in production which was very noticeable on the field.

    I didn’t mean Curry was switching to OLB. I simply meant by him learning it makes him more versatile and in turn because of that more valuable. The more valuable a player is the more effort a team will make to retain that player.