Tebow Update
Posted: August 24th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 435 Comments »There has been a lot of talk recently about Tim Tebow being a sure thing to make the Eagles roster. I don’t know if I fully buy that, but I’m beginning to feel he will make the team.
Matt Barkley looks better this year than he did the past two seasons, but Barkley hasn’t stood out. As I watched Bryn Renner, the Ravens third string QB, I thought…I wish he was an Eagle. Renner is only in his second season with the Ravens, but you can just see something with him. Renner may never be a starter, but he could develop into a good backup. He was 15-21-158 with 2 TDs on Saturday night.
Through 10 preseason games in his career, Barkley has 4 TD passes. His best game came last year in the preseason finale. Barkley was 21-33-253 with a TD and an INT. On Saturday night Barkley was 6-14-86.
But Tebow only went 2-5-13. How could you choose him over Barkley?
Chip Kelly drafted Barkley with the thought that he might develop into the long term answer at QB. That certainly doesn’t appear to be the case. At the least, you hoped Barkley would become a solid backup. If he had become Kelly’s version of A.J. Feeley, that would have made him worth the pick.
Right now Barkley looks like a #3 QB. That’s it. The light still might come on for him one day, but it just hasn’t to this point.
Tebow has been interesting to watch. He is an improved passer, but the one thing Tom House wasn’t able to fix is the mental side of things. Tebow struggles with his progressions and his decision-making.
Tim Tebow misses open WR before making a break for the endzone. #BALvsPHI http://t.co/dwqzHSCSJW
— NFL (@NFL) August 23, 2015
How he didn’t see the open receiver or get him the ball is beyond me.
But Tebow still got the ball down inside the 1-yard line. His style isn’t pretty, but it can be effective. When Barkley isn’t throwing the ball well…the offense is in trouble. He can’t make things happen.
You generally want to keep the young QB so you can give him as much time as possible to develop, but if you don’t think Barkley is going to take that next step, keeping him around doesn’t make a lot of sense.
I wish there was a way to see each player with the starting offense. Playing with top talent might make Barkley look very different. He’s not special in any way so he needs help. Tebow would likely be more effective with top talent, but I don’t know if you could count on him consistently getting the ball to Jordan Matthews, Nelson Agholor and the gang. Still, we do know that in the right situation, he can win games, even a playoff game.
If either Barkley or Tebow had to play significant snaps, the Eagles would be in trouble. You just don’t put in your third QB and win very often. As dysfunctional as Tebow can be, if you had to have one NFL coach designing and calling plays for him, it would be Chip Kelly.
I don’t think either Barkley or Tebow will play a whole lot this week. The third preseason game is mostly the starter and top backup. Both guys should be on the field a lot in the finale. And who knows…maybe the player who looks better in that game will win the job.
The one thing that bugs me as I consider Tebow for the roster is that Kelly explained recently that he wants his backups to look like the starters so that things won’t have to change much when there are injuries. Tebow looks more like Brent Celek or DeMeco Ryans than he does Sam Bradford, Mark Sanchez or Barkley. That’s true of his appearance and his QB skill set. Things change drastically when he’s on the field.
But Kelly chose Tebow to be here. Maybe Tebow is so unique that Kelly is willing to make an exception in his case.
We’ll find out in a couple of weeks.
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This article needed more Tebow.
They all do.
I had the same thought when I was watching Renner. I’d give Sanchez, Barkley and Tebow for Renner. Definitely the best QB on the field last night.
Always a good read Tommy. Thanks.
I have been watching Tebow and I don’t really see the appeal.
Sure Chip wanted to take a look, but he really hasn’t progressed from when he was with the Pats.
Watching Barks run our offense wasn’t great, but even my untrained eyes could see he can run Chip’s offense with a higher degree of success than Tebow.
I live very close to the stadium and attended both “open to the public” practices.
I follow this team more than any of my friends, so I would like to think I have some knowledge of what is going on.
I don’t know how Chip sees it, but from my limited access I just think Barks gets the nod over Tebow if only for the fact that we have invested a lot of time and resources helping him to progress to where he is now.
IMO Tebow would be more of a distraction than an asset.
The crowd went nuts when he came onto the field Saturday night and he stunk it up and looked pretty bad but Barks played decent.
So the only reason I could see them keeping Tebow is if we are wanting to use him on 3rd or 4th and short.
To me, Barks can improve and can move this offense, so what do really want from your third QB, is the question.
Sorry to all you Tebow fans, but I don’t see how he can be considered a better alternative.
Why do you think Barkley can improve when he played four years in college and has had two years in this system? We’re seeing the best he has to offer.
And it’s still better than what Tebow has to offer.
If we already know that the best Barkley ever has to offer is a below-average backup, then he is essentially useless, replaceable by any street free agent. Tebow at least still has the potential to become a backup QB once he grows in our system.
Basically, QB3 should be for developing a quarterback, and Barkley has no development potential left.
Tebow is three years older than Barkley. He would need a lot of development to get to Barkley’s current level as a passer and he’s already 28 years old. I’m sure he can improve but I seriously doubt his ceiling is beyond Barkley, or anywhere near.
That said, he can do things that our other QBs can’t. There must be some reason Chip has suffered through Tebowmania. He does have a knack to make things happen at crunch time. He’s just horrible before crunch time and probably requires a really stout defense to keep the game close so there even is a crunch time. Which I’m not sure we have. I also don’t know how you can make use of that without making the 3rd QB active, which I’d be surprised if Kelly does.
Something is nagging at me that Kelly has some plan in mind though. You don’t bring in someone like Tebow to be a camp body. Well… Belichik did. Maybe Kelly can do that too. That said, I’m not incredibly enamored of Barkley either, so maybe we stash Tebow for a year and see what happens. And draft someone next year (Sanchez is here for at least two).
“Barkley’s current level as a passer”?
Barkley is an interception waiting to happen. He throws that weak ass college lob ball up for grabs. That doesn’t work in the NFL
The interception thing, true. It’s just that Barkley figures out the right place to throw far more often and does it much more quickly than Tebow does, or likely ever will.
It’s not that I think Barkley is all that great… just that Tebow overall is still worse. Dunno, maybe Chip could design an offense for him, but it can’t involve too many reads, and it’s sure going to be different than what you do for Bradford and Sanchez. If the 3rd QB is inactive all year like I’m hoping, then it really doesn’t matter much, but…
Tebow just turned 28…He’s the same age as Barkley. lol
Barkley is 24, and wil turn 25 within the month. Tebow is a bit more than three years older.
So wait, what magical powers does Tebow have that he somehow has more room to grow, but Barkley “has no development potential left”? This is a bullshit argument. If anything, Barkley has more room to grow because he’s so much younger. There’s no way you can claim Tebow has any kind of growth potential without making the same argument for Barkley. Barkley is a barely competent quarterback in our system, and should be replaced soon. Tebow is worse, and has no more upside.
He can run the read option and be an actual threat to run. That’s an actual NFL skill, at least in Chip Kelly’s offense, that Tebow has today. It may be the only NFL level skill between the both of them.
How many playoff games has Barkley won?
How many has he lost ?
0 for both. Tebow is 1-1
As many as Tebow will ever win again.
be interesting to see tebow against better defenses.
My hunch is that Tebow doesn’t see the field on short yardage packages as long as Bradford’s healthy because Sam’s ability to throw gives the offense more options and increases the chance of success. If Tebow is in there, you know someone is running it. Perhaps the percentages flip if Bradford gets hurt and Sanchez starts. If that’s Tebow’s value and he beats out Barkley, the staff must not see anything in Matt.
Why would anyone want to put TEBOW on the field in short yardage when we have one of the best Redzone RBs in the game, Demarco Murray, and 230lbs of Ryan Kathews? Forgeg TEBOW… Hand the ball off to ypur RBs that you are paying more then any other team for
That’s an argument about playcalling, not personnel. Any QB can hand off the ball to Murray or Matthews. I’m not saying I endorse keeping Tebow — I’m ambivalent — but the possibility of him running it gives defenses something else to think about.
Zone read? It’s something Chip Kelly likes to run every once in a while. Maybe try chipwagon.typepad.com for a more detailed explanation.
Learn the difference between an inside zone and a inside zone read kid
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Now run along
You’re right, it makes no sense. Tebow might be playing with bottom-of-roster guys but he’s also playing against bottom-of-roster defenses and he’s not getting the ball inside the 1 yard line against a starting NFL defense that is stronger and faster than what he saw on Saturday and has prepared for him in any way whatsoever.
Tebow has only been with the team for a few months. Maybe they think there’s some upside.
Playing with the ones cuts both ways: you have to see the field and get the ball out, which Barkley is doing and Tebow isn’t. If the Eagles cut Tebow it’s less likely he’d sign elsewhere so he can return if there’s an injury. With Barkley someone would likely grab him off the street for free, not having to answer to a spent pick. Barkley and Sanchez are signed for two years, with no guarantees that Bradford will come back though Sam would prefer to. In the NFL, QBs are spoiling fans and coaches by playing well as rookies, but these are the two years where Barkley’s development can make him into a cost-effective fallback option. I’d be disappointed if they gave up on him now.
Bradford isn’t going anywhere if healthy. No way they don’t tag him if they have to.
He’ll probably re-sign. The franchise tender will be $20-25M next year. Possible, but there is a ‘way’ the team would balk at that, with or without health concerns.
If Bradford is healthy, he is the guy not Sanchez or Barkley.
Until Bradford goes down knock on your head, he’s the QB next season one way or another. The chances are so small, that is why I framed it no way. He’s the guy if healthy which is the only thing you should worry about.
For my money, neither Barkley nor Tebow should make the team. Barkley is just plain bad and I have very little confidence the light will suddenly go on for him, and while Tebow can run, he is literally a quarterback that cannot throw the ball. Like at all, in any way, shape or form throw like its required of an NFL QB.
Its never gonna happen, but if Chippa was really about competition and making the best possible roster by only letting player on the roster who earned their spot, no matter the position, both of them should be cut. We have plenty other players who are fighting their asses of and showing real promise. Then again, you dont carry 2 QBs when one of them has the injury record of Bradford, but if he goes down, and Sanchez does too, we’re screwed anyway, then just bring in someone from the street and call it a season.
I’m not buying the Tebow makes the team line either. Here’s a scenario which is reasonably possible and why Barks makes it over Timmy.
Were in the midst of the playoff hunt. Bradford gets hurt and is out for 2-3 games only. Sanchez is in. Who would you prefer on the sideline in case Sanchez gets hurt? Barkley offers you the easier transition and ability to hold down the fort for a short stint without major disruption. With Timmy, ya gotta redo the whole game plan.
I think “oh just sign a street FA” is a bit naive. Most teams don’t even have a quality number 2 QB. The only current notable unsigned QB is Vick. Other than that you’re looking at guys who couldn’t even get a camp invite and CFL type QBs.
Heres a list of guys currently on rosters who MAY become available that I would have any interest in (all players 25 or younger):
Keith Wenning (CIN)-
Productive 4 year starter at Ball State. Was on B-more’s practice squad last year. Essentially a Barkley clone. Average athlete, questionable arm, high character grinder mentality. No reason to replace Barkley with him, at least Barkley knows the system.
Zac Dysert (DEN)-
Another prolific MAC QB. All time QB stats leader at Miami (OH). Little more arm, little less accuracy than Barkley/Wenning. 25 years old. Been on DEN practice squad for 2 years. Compared to a poor mans Rothlisberger coming out.
Garret Gilbert (DET)-
Former 5 star prep from Lake Travis. Most well known for replacing Colt McCoy in national championship game. Never made the grade at Texas. Transfered to SMU. Was better for June Jones. Slightly taller than Barkley. Similar QB profile.
Stephen Morris(JAX)-
Showed flashes at the U. Athletic, good arm. Never really put it all together. Had multiple OC’s, so that hindered him. Not terribly interested. Major project with backup ceiling that he’s unlikely to reach.
Taylor Heinicke (MIN)-
Poor mans Manziel from Old Dominion.
Ryan Griffin(NO)-
Played at Tulane. 6’4. Eagles brought him predraft in 2013. High volume QB in college.
Cody Fajardo (OAK)- Another poor mans Manziel.
Chase Rettig (SD)-
Pretty bad while at BC. Only listing because of connection with Ryan Day.
Jake Waters (SEA)-
Former JUCO. Essentially a shorter lighter version of Tebow. Extremely unrefined but just consistently found a way to get the job done.
As you can see, it’s not exactly exciting. I’d rather keep Barkley over any of these guys.
I rather keep Tebow than any of that list
I just threw up in my mouth.
Ohh…I get it…you mean that picking up some guy off the street that is young with some upside and has enough talent to be our #3 QB right now is not possible…Heads of eagles fans around the world just exploded when this truth was revealed…I love all the comments about cutting both guys and trying to find someone better…unfortunately we are going to have to live with the fact that our #3 QB will be the one that sucks the least in pre-season…
I thought this was one of the most damning statements you could make:
“Major project with backup ceiling that he’s unlikely to reach.”
because it put the player down in three ways in a single sentence. But then I realized I was wrong:
“Taylor Heinicke (MIN)-
Poor mans Manziel…”
What about GJ Kinne?
Brett Smith in the CFL doing work. Would take him over all these guys.
Fajardo
How does this discussion change if Sanchez were not in the picture? I’m not saying that I disagree with anything stated here Tommy but if we were discussing who was the #2 & #3 would be any more concerned?
Given the issues with Bradford and the fact that he might not stay healthy (please let this be NOT a factor Football Gods) this depth might be something that Chip keeps if only because………
I just cant get on the Tebow train. Especially after he decided to run out of bounds instead of throwing it to a wide open WR in the end zone. His cant go through progressions and is wildly inconsistent with his throwing motion. If Bradford and Sanchize go down….. then it just isn’t our year.
yards count just as much when you get them on the ground.
…but easy TD tosses count more than running the ball to the 1 yard line.
The problem was that he saw the guy but realized that by the time he’d finished winding up ( you know.. To throw the ball 4 yards) he would have already been hit.
I’m fine with tebow over barley FYI. But let’s not go pretending that that is an acceptable way for an NFL qb to play. There are kids in playgrounds around the country who could have flicked the ball to that wide receiver in a fraction of the time.
I mean technically he’s better than he was. But technically 4.1 is bigger than 4.0. Just not by much.
I’m not keeping either QB on my 53-man roster. Barkley has PS eligibility. If he is claimed or chooses to sign elsewhere, then you have Kinne as a backup option for the PS or you can sign another PS QB. Tebow’s style is such that he probably only fits here. If they want to bring him back down the road, either due to injury at QB or an injury at another position that opens up a spot, then fine. As far as the initial 53-man roster goes, there are better options.
I don’t like either of these guys. Our 3rd string QB should be a young kid to develop – but Barkly and Tebow have hit their low ceilings.
Not pretty
look at the entire OL in that play…not a single guy is anchoring or winning their battles…the titans are only rushing 4…if he did not get rid of the ball #91 was going to crush him…the result of this play has a lot of faulty parties…not just foles…
C’mon, you’ve seen enough of Foles to know he had no idea what was happening behind him. There’s no way he felt that backside pressure.
The big problem was the center getting pushed into Foles
Yeah, if he does a three step drop and stops, he’s got 600 pounds of human flesh on top of him 0.1s after he stops. That said, I think Foles lost his confidence in the pocket last year, and like most QBs, won’t be getting it back.
and the Rams OL is worse than anything he played with last year
WR wasn’t supposed to let the CB cross him like that. Foles should have thrown it away.
If The Eagles Don’t Keep Barkley IT WILL BE INSANE…!!!
SERIOUSLY..!!! What are People Thinking..!!
If you want to see a good QB who could start for the Eagles, look at Zach Mettenberger, look at Case Keenum… Look at Matt Barkley…!!!
Barkley stinks. We’d be better off cutting both Barkley and Tebow and slotting Marcus Smith II as 3rd string QB.
Lane Johnson IMO
There’s also Darren Sproles, which would make it a lot easier to keep 4 RBs.
He’s short. I see a lot of Russel Wilson qualities in him.
Great. Now all I can think about is Kelce snapping it over sprites head for an entire game.
Tebow is not an NFL level QB. For those who are willing to really look and acknowledge reality, this has been and continues to be crystal clear. If Chip keeps Tebow as the #3 QB, lets Barkley go and cuts some other good talent, he needs to have legit reasons and explain them. The media should demand that in this case since Barkley has clearly been better.
Well, it wouldn’t be very kind for Chip to answer that question honestly and say “Barkley Stinks”
Barkley does not stink as a QB and if Chip truly believed that Barkley would have been gone before now. Anyone who has watched their performances objectively knows Barkley is a better QB than Tebow.
Barkley isn’t an NFL level QB either and that’s against backups. He doesn’t have the arm or pinpoint accuracy or athleticism. They can put him on practice squad or Kinne or pick someone up.
I have no problem with Barkley not making the team so we can keep other good talent at another position. The point is Tebow has not beaten out Barkley and should not make the roster as a QB over Barkley IMO. If he does, then Chip has some serious explaining to do.
Why ?
I don’t think media demands mean much to Kelly. 😉
You’re right 😉 However, it certainly would be a very curious move on Chip’s part
Honestly, noone else is going to sign Tebow if we cut him. If Chip wants him as the third QB, we should cut him, save a roster spot we could use elsewhere (e.g., Barner, Mostert, Bailey, etc.), tell him to stay in shape, and re-sign him if Bradford or Sanchez gets hurt.
Could Tebow even effectively run the scout team offense to simulate other teams’ offenses?
If Barkley hadn’t been labeled a possible #1 pick a year before he actually came out, before any of the actual examination of draft prospects that would have surely exposed his flaws happened, fans would have been done with him for a while now. If he had been an UDFA from Delaware that nobody had ever heard of, fans would have been asking why the hell he was on the roster for two years now. What has he ever done in an Eagles uniform that indicates he’s an NFL level talent? Apparently he’s still coasting on name recognition with a lot of people.
I don’t think anyone really wants or likes Barkley. We just recognize that he is better than Tebow. Tebow has looked so bad that it has been painful to watch. Talk about coasting on name recognition, noone would even consider having a quarterback who can’t throw, can’t execute the offense and can’t read defenses on the team if his name wasn’t Tim Tebow.
If Kinne can play special teams keep him as 3rd QB and Tebow or Barkley goes to practice squad
Of course neither are eligible for the practice squad, but Kinne is starting to look like a reasonable idea.
Here’s why I would go Tebow. If your third string QB needs to win multiple games for you, you’re screwed anyway. You’d like to think your 3rd QB could come on in the event of injury and win one game for you. I think in a single game, Tebow offers a better chance for a win over Barkley. In a single game, the fact that Tebow doesn’t look like the starters (as Tommy mentioned above) is actually an advantage for the Eagles because the other team has not game planned for him.
Additionally, Barkley was a 4 year college player and is in his third year in Kelly’s system. He has no upside. We are seeing his ceiling now and watch your head because it’s pretty low.
Tebow may have some upside. It will be interesting to see if he can improve with more time in the system. I don’t know if I’d put money on it, but at least it’s a possibility.
BS – teams know how to beat Tebow. Its not like it is hard to do. All you need to do is play pocket contain and shut down his first read. He’ll hold onto the ball too long, will give away turnovers either by fumble or forcing throws into his first read and will put his team into long distance situations due to taking bad sacks.
As others have said, Tebow is already 28 and 3 years OLDER than Barkley. He has zero upside as a QB – he has tried for many years on many teams and come up short. He is Vick without the good arm and less speed. His judgement and progression as a QB has been and continues to be bad.
If Barkley stinks, then Tebow both sucks and blows.
In a single game situation, why even have him throw the ball more than a couple times? He can run the read option.
Barkley can’t do that because he’s not a threat to run.
So, you’re going to use a valuable roster spot on Tebow as your 3rd QB for an extremely unlikely one game scenario and you’re going to limit the offense Tebow runs so his bad QB play does not cost you the game??
Sorry, but that is beyond absurd.
What else are you keeping a 3rd QB for if not to win a one game situation off the bench?
And don’t say development because the other option is Barkley.
As anyone knows, the #3 QB is a development position. Barkley was drafted to be developed in the hopes he might become a viable starter or backup.
He has not developed into that to this point which is why Sanchez was signed and, when Foles fell apart last season, Bradford was traded for.
Tebow was brought in to compete with Barkley and give the team another arm for TC.
Barkley has been the better QB so far out of the two, but neither are optimal development QB. Tebow’s throwing mechanics are still rudimentary and his QB judgement and progression reading skills have been very poor. Barkley, OTOH, does not have a strong enough arm and struggles with pressure.
The most rational thing to do is, since Barkley is 3 years younger than Tebow, has more of the necessary QB skills than Tebow and Tebow would likely be available during the season, is to keep Barkley for one more season as your #3 and let Tebow go.
The only other option I see is letting both go with the hopes a better development QB will be cut from another team and you can pick them up. That is risky since, if you cannot get one than is better than Barkley, going with only 2 QB based on Bradford’s injury track record and Sanchez’s penchant for turnovers/mental blunders is rolling the dice big time.
I see what you’re saying, but I place more importance on the fact that Barkley has been here for two years and hasn’t developed as an indicator of future development than the age difference.
I disagree and Tommy has mentioned it himself several times…Barkley has been better this year than in the past; he has developed in certain areas, but is limited mostly due to his arm strength. That is not anything that can be changed, it is what it is.
Tebow, OTOH, has gotten worse since his days of short glory in Denver, mostly because he has never developed as a competent QB, defenses know how to contain Tebow and he is no longer able to get by on just his run skill. He is still a RB who wants to play QB. If he was open to playing RB or TE, he might have a better chance to stick in the NFL. He has refused so far to consider that.
“He is Vick without the good arm and less speed.”
Exactly.
My wife (who does not really follow football in any great depth) sat down next to me during the fourth quarter of Saturday’s game.
WIFE: Is that Tim Tebow?
ME: Yeah.
[Tebow breaks off his 26 yard run]
WIFE: Wow, that was pretty good!
ME: Yeah, he is great at running, not so great at the throwing part.
[Tebow throws several ugly incompletions]
WIFE: Why doesn’t he try playing a different position?
ME: Apparently God told him he was put on Earth to play quarterback.
WIFE: Well, that’s stupid. [leaves room]
–END SCENE–
I am more and more convinced that this Tebow experiment is part of an elaborate wager between Chip Kelly, Urban Meyer, and Bill Belichick and that Kelly is going to owe these guys a lot of money and/or Funyuns after this preseason.
And, I agree with Tommy that Bryn Renner looked better than both Barkley or Tebow. I would even take Bryan Bennett as the third string QB.
So knowing what we know now about our 3rd QB position, does CK take a flyer on a QB later in the draft next year?
Seems we need to look at a Sam Bradford light type next year (seems outside of Mariota, Kelly hasnt really shown any interest in the Manziel type)
Keep an eye Carson Wentz and Gunner Kiel as well as the top 7 QBs or so. I don’t know where they’re going yet or if I want either but they’re athletic and have enough arm and smarts to be intrigued.
I’ll check them out, thanks.
Kiel is in an uptempo, no-huddle offense that functions almost exclusively from the shotgun with four receivers split out wide. He has quick feet.Bonus: Cincy player karma. haha.
Wentz isn’t quite in uptempo offense but he is a very active QB and in the shotgun a lot. 6-6 and he’s actually athletic with good feet. Has a very good arm but I’m not sure he has Great delivery and throwing plane. I haven’t seen enough or good views.
Both don’t have ideal age to experience but neither did Foles. Both force the issue at times. Both basically started one year I think (will be 2) but Wentz played 16 games and Cincy gave Ohio State some trouble.
Wentz is very very unique…he has a confident vibe also and a 4.0 gpa. not that it matters necessarily but it might, he seems in command and is responsible for pre snap reads supposedly.
I’d like to see Kiel progress in year 2 in this area especially: (really also Wentz too and Wentz will hold onto the ball too long but it was also the playoffs where he was trying to make things happen.).
From scouting report from Ohio State blog, this is exactly what I noticed:
Kiel is confident in both his abilities, as well as those of his receivers, and isn’t afraid to try to fit the ball in to tight spots that aren’t really open. Additionally, he is only making his third start ever on Saturday, and as a young QB, he has tendency to lock on to his intended receivers.
Both traits led to interceptions against Miami, and the Redhawks could have had more if they had been able to hold on to the ball. The Buckeyes have better athletes in the secondary than both Toledo or Miami, and giving them the chance to break on the ball will come back to haunt Kiel if he does so.
4 Carson Wentz FCS complete Playoff Games on that channel.
FCS Champ Game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7363rXTExc
I thought we had all decided to pick up RGIII next year?
I don’t think he can mentally handle being in Philly.
Even better!
I think we need to. We have no QB outside of Bradford who has a future on the team. I think we should draft a guy to be a no.2. I really liked Petty as a guy like that this year.
I liked Petty and Hundley.
At this point, I’d like anyone else besides what we have.
I liked Bryan Bennet as a late round guy too. He played with the 3s in the Colt’s game
Lol I remember the first round pick talk sorrounding Hundley….. Classic
So there was zero players you liked in the 1st round that didnt fall?
Not passed the 3rd round… Get real LOL
CK has such high criteria for a regular positions like LB or CB you wonder how big the checklist is for a QB prospect. I know he picked Barkley his first year but I’m sure he redefined his criteria since then.
I have a feeling that once Barkley is gone we will hear reports from inside sources that he was a Howie pick.
The thing is, Howie sort of suggested this even at the time of the draft.
“It’s also worth noting that Eagles general manager Howie Roseman was reportedly very high on Barkley going all the way back to last year’s draft.”
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/4/27/4274742/matt-barkley-philadelphia-eagles
I think Howie even directly quoted something very similar (although a quick internet search didn’t show any direct quote). The fact that Howie was so high on Barkley even before Chip was ever the coach always suggested to me that it was largely a Howie pick. Having said that, just like any other pick, I think Chip supported the pick himself at the time and it is unfair to scapegoat Howie, even if Howie was the one originally pushing the idea of drafting Barkley.
https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/635783977912045568
Somebody has to play S in the last two preseason games and take reps in practice
TEBOW Update: he SUCKS!!!!……. NEXT!!
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If you actually think TEBOW didn’t see THAT wide open Reciever I have Wolf Tickets to sell you Curtosy of Nick Diaz…
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GJ KINNEY Said he no longer wanted to be our summer QB and wanted To compete for another spot, so Chip CHOSE TEBOW to replace our 4th string camp arm, which is like a step above of a summer lifeguard job lol..
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And I would much rather see Barkley play with starters.. barkley actually goes thru the progressions and Isnt afraid to throw the ball.
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At the end f the day, I don’t really care, but Barkley is the lessor of two evils.
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I can’t stand TEBOW Fans! I hope they all fuck off when TEBOW leaves.. There was a girl at the game wearing a Green TEBOW Eagles Jersey, while holding a white TEBOW Eagles jersey up like a flag, the most disgusting thing I ever seen at an Eagoes game…. Please put an end of this glorified circus act
Now I really want us to keep Tebow.
Cowboys draft board was leaked… They had a 2nd round grade on Barkley and a 4th round grade on EJ Manuelll… Old man Brandon Weeden got knocked in his head last night, if the Cowboys love Barkley so much, tell them to make an offer….
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Tebiw is trash….. Rather have GJ Kimmey
*Kinne
*TEbiw
Lol wow Sarkisian really embarressed himself and USC tbis weekend
“You just don’t put in your third QB and win very often”
Best point. The #3 offers very little value. Tebow would have way more value as the #3. If both Bradford and Sanchez are out, we’re probably not winning. Chip could stash a young guy on the PS for such an emergency and still have Tebow.
Tebow’s advantage obviously comes on 2-point attempts. If he can increase the success rate from 30% to 70%, he will be on the roster.
DeMarco Murray/Ryan Matthews >>>>>>>> Tebow on 2PT conversions.
Murray/Mathews with Tebow >>>>>>>> Murray/Mathews with Bradford on 2PT conversions. Defense will NOT assign a guy to keep Sam from running.
Then Bradford walks in.
BOOM!
Defense got CHIPPD
Tebow’s advantage comes when handing off to Murray/Matthews in the zone read. Barkley ain’t freezing no linebackers.
I’d really like to see Tebow in the read option with Murray/Matthews and Sproles. Tough for any defense.
I dunno we’re going to score a lot of points if we’re good and we’re going to activate Tebow for that?
Yeah, I don’t see it happening either. If Kelly chooses Tebow it will be for other reasons.
Yet we haven’t even attempted a 2-pt conversion with him this preseason.
Exactly. Chip is not going to show anything valuable.
If he has a plan, they will most likely use it in the closed practices.
What has largely gone undiscussed is that Kevin Monangai was the NFL’s leading rusher in Week #2. Yeah, I know, 4th string and all, but one advantage of Tebow running the read option is how it opens the lanes for the running backs. What would DeMarco do with that kind of space?
It would work for about two plays before they stack the box and dare Tebow to beat them with his arm. New England provided the blueprint to stopping Timmy in the two games they played against him. Blitz him from the left side so he can’t get comfortable running to his strong side and play strong press man coverage to keep him from making fast reads.
“…dare Tebow to beat them with his arm.” Now there’s something that ain’t gonna’ happen.
wonder if it would be worth having him on the team (and bringing him in for a drive or two per game) just so that other teams are forced to gameplan for it, and practice it all week. fewer reps they would get against the “real” offense.
No that is a luxury. We have tons of weapons. . We activate a kicker, a punter, a backup QB, a long snapper, Maragos, Braman, at least 3 RBs
The Jets tried that. How’d they fare?
Not Worth having a QB who cant throw
Both options are so unappealing that I feel like an argument for either would be a waste of everyone’s time.
But hey, let’s hear it for Barkley finally learning to keep his damn mouth shut in front of reporters.
maybe the decision comes down to locker room presence?
straight up trade: Matt Barkley for Michael Vick.
would you do it?
Yes, but Vick isn’t signed anywhere so no need to even do that.
Holy **** I thought he was still on the Jets.
So why aren’t we cutting both Barkley and Tebow and signing Vick?
Vick thinks he’s a starter
Because Vick is even worse than either.
That’s demonstrably false. Vick beat out Foles in a training camp battle. I don’t think anyone ever said “maybe Barkley is better than Foles”
Like three years ago.
Did you have the displeasure of watching him on the Jets.
He made Geno Smith look like a NFL quality QB in comparison.
He Wile E. Coyote’d hard.
two years ago actually.
Three training camps ago.
35 years old and over the hill, 36 years old and over the hill -big difference.
less than two years ago then, since the QB battle wasn’t decided until the end of training camp.
If you’re asking if I’d trade either Barkley or Tebow for 2012 Vick, I’d have to take that Time Machine back to January 1991 and bring Randall back instead.
youd rather have tebow starting then vick? wow
Yes. That’s exactly what I said.
The Eagles should extend Tebow for the next thousand years to be their starter.
I think Will’s comment sums it up. If he was willing to be #3, it could help when we prep for teams like the Jets, Redskins, and Bills. If we make the playoffs, helpful to plan for Seahawks and Packers. But I think he wants to either start or be the #2.
Dogs?
So the NFL said that Suggs hit was legal. This will last until a player (read:Rodgers) gets taken out for the season because of “read-option.”
That’s BS. They should read their own rules:
No defensive player who has an unrestricted path to the quarterback may hit him flagrantly in the area of the knee(s) or below when approaching in any direction.
It’s because Blandino is in Jerry’s back pocket. This will change, because I want to know how they are going to distinguish between read-option or a play-action. Sam never left his spot.
The “below the knee” rule should make the type of play irrelevant.
It’s a penalty to hit the QB. Other roughing penalties specify “passer”. This means that the situation does not matter -at no time can a QB be hit at the knee.
The rule was made to protect the league’s most valuable players, it’s not about parsing the playbook.
I agree. But it’ll last until Rodgers or Wilson gets injured.
…what I like about Wilson is he never takes a straight shot, always glancing blows.
I’m not convinced that the intent IS clear. If the QB becomes a runner, intentionally faking hand-off and tucking and running, don’t think that rule will apply. A moving ball carrier is fair game from all angles, and if he gets hit below the knees – which happens al lot to RB’s – that is part of the game. I think the intent may be if the QB is stationary or without the ball. QB’s can get mauled after they throw pics, so I think context of the play is relevant.
They wrote this rule like three years ago. They wrote to protect their investments in quarterbacks.
The intent of the rule couldn’t be any clearer.
The NFL wants it’s marquee players -Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning, etc to be as protected as possible.
The rule has nothing to do with play calls or where the player is on the field. It’s about the quarterback, period.
I understand as Eagles fans we don’t want to see Bradford take a hit to his knees and get injured. Furthermore, it has been suggested that Suggs predetermined that he was going to go after Bradford’s knees, and to me, that’s the concerning part. Having said that, read option does present a legitimate issue. In the read option, unlike play action where the QB is moving away from the line of scrimmage and therefore remains a “QB,” the QB is facing forward and the whole logic of the read option is that the QB can become a “runner.” When the QB becomes a runner, he no longer is protected by “QB” rules, and since the point of the read option is to attempt to get a defender to commit one way or another, your QB is going to inevitably take hits, even when he does in fact hand the ball off.
We are pissed because the most important player on our team was hit in the knees, but we will also be pissed if a QB of an opposing team is able to get away with not getting hit on a similar play, and even more so, if that QB is allowed to just run freely because our defenders can’t hit him. So while I hated seeing that play, I do understand how this is a complicated rule and Suggs does have a point (although if he did in fact predetermine to go after the knees, that is the part that needs to be criticized, not that he hit Bradford as a runner).
The language of the knee rule doesn’t turn a QB into a runner.
It’s clear and refers to the “Quarterback”. Had it referred to a “passer” like the other language, you would have a point.
The purpose and language of the knee rule (one of the “Brady” rules, isn’t it) is to protect the $100 million dollar men on the field. It has nothing to do with competitiveness, it’s all about the QB. Runner or passer, that’s what the rule says.
I think you may be using the language I quoted in another article and I don’t want to perpetuate wrong information. I made the distinction before about “quarterback” versus “passer” but I was quoting somethng from NFL.com that I believe was a digest of the rules that did not list the actual rules word-for-word. The actual pdf file of the rule book covers roughing the passer in Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9. At the beginning of the article it states that a player has to be in a “passing posture”. There are complicating issues here though. First the Article fails to define what a “passing posture” is. Second, the whole “standing still or moving away from play” standard that Blandino says will be applied to determine whether the QB in a read-option play can be hit or not is lifted directly from part f of the rule but it says applies to the “passer”.
The rule book does not contain rules specifically relating to the read-option. So Blandino is essentially cherry-picking one part of the roughing the passer article ignoring the fact that it references “passer” and “passing posture”. However, somehow that “passer” and “passing posture” distinction still applies to part e of the same article on roughing the passer which prohibits the “passer” from being forcibly hit in the knee area. Really, the inconsistency works in the favor of Suggs in whether he should be fined or not. That doesn’t mean the play is legal. They have to be consistent in their intepretation of the rules though and if one part of the “passer protection” rules applies to the QB in a read-option play then the other parts must apply to.
Of course, I say that it was a penalty just based on Blandino’s own “standing still/moving away” standard but that is subjective.
This is the language from the rule book via NFL.com
“No defensive player who has an unrestricted path to the quarterback may hit him flagrantly in the area of the knee(s) or below when approaching in any direction.”
When you read the rest of the rules, they always specify “passer” or “ball carrier”. Here it’s quarterback. Given that, plus the known fact that this rule was written to protect the faces of the franchises I don’t think there’s any real argument about how the rule should be applied.
Whether a guys should be fined, I have no idea. It just seems to me the 15 yard penalty is obvious regardless of the play call.
he seems to have crouched down and went for his knees. On the Ravens blog they say Bradford stepped back and that’s why Suggs his his knees, but Suggs clearly crouches down to hit him low.
The rulebook is clear here too. “Intent” doesn’t matter. You hit the QB below the knees it’s a 15 yard penalty.
Can you provide a link to this? The issue, and why I cited that originally, is that that doesn’t match with the language in the Official 2015 Playing Rules located at the NFL Operations website. I’m not sure if that is language that was used in a previous version of the rules or if it’s an incorrect summation or “digest” of the rules at NFL.com.
Second to last paragraph.
http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/protectionofpasser
Yeah that’s a digest of rules at NFL.com and it doesn’t match the official language in the actual official playing rules.
Ah.
I searched NFL.com and that’s what I found. Foolishly assumed it was official since that’s sort of how it’s presented.
Pisses me off. Feel foolish pointing out that rule says “quarterback” versus “passer” when that isn’t the case.
Ah well. Doesn’t really make a difference.
Though I will argue that the intent of the rule is to protect the player -the guys with the 100 million dollar contracts -and that a hit below the knees of the quarterback (regardless of their action on the field) is what the owners want to prevent.
Arguing whether it’s play action or a zone read or whatever is jesuitical.
Then they will change the rule or wording of the rule…. And if that hit is legal, then QBs should be fair game on RB draw plays
This is my argument. Play-action, draws, or any other play-fakes should leave all QBs open to hits.
The NFL has a prejudice against “running” QBs and these “college” ideas infecting the NFL; while Brady or Peyton get rules made for them
Just because we are running the ball out of shotgun, doesn’t automatically mean it’s a zone READ
LOL you don’t have to tell me
they are just pissed because NCAA Football has been better than Madden the last decade lol.
Except Bradford didn’t fake like he was running. He just stood there after handing off the ball. Qb’s always fake like they are rolling out on a bootleg after they hand off the ball and it would be a penalty if a defender hit them even if they thought the qb still had the ball.
Think the nuance is between remaining a passer or becoming a runner. All of the passer protections fly out the window if QB tucks and runs or fakes tuck and run.
What if he just fake tucks like the play in question? He didn’t move at all, and a lot of QBs in the league do the same thing.
Do these morons realize there is a difference between running inside and outside zone AND running a inside Zone READ?
No.
I just listened to ESP (Skip) say the Eagles have run over 500 Read Options over the last two years
hard for an edge rusher to tell the difference since all plays look the same
…..said Chip Kelly the racist lol.
Hard for the defender to pull up at the last microsecond before hitting the QB on normal passing plays but they have no issue on throwing the flags in that situation.
But that isn’t what happened on this play. When Suggs saw he was unblocked, he figured it was a zone read and lowered his head and went straight for the QB. He wasn’t fooled because of a last second hand off. He wasn’t trying to figure out who had the ball.
I agree. I’m just saying I don’t think the difficulties that NFL defenders face override the more important issue of player safety.
That hit was no illegal at all. I could have survived it.
okay Yoda.
Mariota braced for a hit and lowered his shoulder on a read option last night….. guess he’s use to it for some reason lol…. and he looked decent… se la vie.
Too much politics in the NFL. Hit was low.
The NFL was clearly wrong. I’ll save you the long spiel but I can cite the actual language of the NFL rules that proves they’re wrong or at least inconsistent and incompetent in the interpretation and enforcement of the NFL rules. The Eagles need to be on the horn with the league office tearing them a new one.
Ever since Blandino hung out on the Cowboys party bus, I don’t trust anything he does.
I thought I’ve seen Wilson kind of pause, then run. So I see the problem that you can’t be sure who has the ball. But geez, it just looks like Suggs eyes both of them and turns and dives at Bradford’s knees.
Regardless, it was a punk move by Suggs. It was a pre-season game for Christ’s sake (sorry, Tim).
…whats worse is that he was rolling left (he is a lefty), not like he had to throw across his body or anything lol.
Between Barks and Tebow, it’s a no-brainer. Barkley can do nothing, Tebow can run. Barkley has done nothing, Tebow has at least thrown a couple bombs in the playoffs. You are not going to win a string of games with either one, but at least with Tebow you have a chance of playing uglyball and getting a W. Why don’t we forget that Barks was once a successful college QB, because his performance has been that of an undrafted free agent.
Off-topic. Second post about the unofficial igglesblitz FF league. It’s with yahoo and currently a 14 team league with 4 open slots. This will be the third or fourth we have done it and always a good time.
Link to join https://yho.com/nfl?l=134474&k=5b768a95c959e003&ikey=9be03aa1e94acd9b
Could we just do 10 teams. 14 is a little much
Now that we lost Demarco the toughness is gone…..
http://boards.dallascowboys.com/topic/51833-now-that-we-lost-demarco-the-toughness-is-gone/
They are in for a rude awakening this year. 500 carries is tough to replace. That line is good, but they aren’t impenetrable.
Agreed
Two questions in regards to the Barkley vs Tebow debate.
1st – As much as I don’t want Tebow to make the team, all the reporting seems to suggest he will win (not lose?) the job. The one thing that seems to go against that seems to be that Barkley has been put in at qb ahead of Tebow in both games and seems to take more reps ay practices according to reports. Any reasoning that would support why while also supporting Tebow is ahead of Barkley?
2nd – The one thing most seem to agree on with Barkley and Tebow is that we are in trouble if either play and neither guy offers long term hope. It bothers me that it seems inevitable that if that’s the case, we have to waset a roster spot on either one. Any possibility a long shot developmental player becomes available that we go after instead, or that we go with only 2 Qbs? I’m not a Tebow supporter, but at the same time, don’t see Barkley offering us much either, so when we get to 53, it seems one of those guys is going to force us to let go of a guy that may have development potential elsewhere on the roster.
Cut them both – go with 2 qbs. Save a roster spot.
Not a bad idea. The coaches must have pondered this idea and the ramifications. I wonder what they think of the idea of using Kinne, who could play if Sam and Mark both went down? How much worse could it be to plug in GJ?
Chip sees Tebow as a winner who fits his scheme. He has more potential than Barks.
QBs are in big demand. Not sure a QB with the potential you allude to will be available. Timmy has a long record of success throughout his football career. His NFL career however is a negative. Chip sees something in him that we don’t. I’ll go with the coach, not surprisingly.
Tebow is not a good fit for his scheme. He’s actually a pretty bad fit.
I beg to differ, he is a better fit than Barks. He plays like Masoli, who played for the Ducks, so Chip knows how to use his skill- set. This is a similar situation to DAT and Sproles – Chip wants this arrow in his quiver of options (no pun intended).
No Tebow has never proven he can run any true NFL scheme.Anyone who knows the NFL and Tebow knows that lol.
However, this goes against what Chip said earlier about wanting replacements who aren’t wildly different than the starters. Which made sense when he said it: it means when a player goes down, you don’t have to change the entire scheme. Tebow was a good fit for what Chip ran in college, but seemingly not such a good fit for the offense he’s got working with guys like Foles, Sanchez, and Bradford. If you believe what Chip said about backups and starters matching skillsets, Barkley is a better fit.
In either QB case we will still run the zone read plays. Sam and Barks could pass on the option opportunity where Timmy can pass or run. Right now Tebow is foregoing the open pass opportunity and just running (most of the time) which is NOT what Chip wants. Still the scheme will not change with QB only frequency of types of plays.
I think what most commentators are missing is that Defenses have to scheme differently for Timmy. If he is on the team, they have to scheme for him even though he may not be active. It takes reps away from other training by the opposing D.
Let’s try not to say people are “winners” that really doesn’t hold up much. Maybe there is a better word? We need to dig a little deeper.
I think Kempski is right, Tebow can do other things but that would only come into play if Bradford is out. Then QB3 is active and maybe Tebow plays in goal line situations instead of Sanchez.
RobNE – You are right of course. Chip does look at attitude and football love in his decision making. I only am trying to read the tea leaves. Chip’s a hard read.
yep maybe you meant football lifer but I thought Barkley worked hard too. I just don’t like measuring people on W-L record because so much more goes into W-L than one person’s performance.
We’ve gone to the third an in each of the last two years I don’t think the issue is academic. Question with 3rd qb can you hold onto the ball, can you convert 3rd down and redzone.
sounds like Chip is giving one hell of a press conference right now. wish i had a link for it. basing this off of Jimmy’s twitter.
It is here http://livestream.com/accounts/8109350/events/2963279/videos/97152519
This is the exact thing I was saying. It’s a fair point.
Every time the qb hands off he has the option to fake the handoff and run with the ball instead.
or throw, that concept has been around forever as a staple of modern offense in play action. Even a traditional looking hand off, do they get to go all Greg Williams on Aaron Rodgers saying he might have been running the play action, not our job to find the ball, just hit people who might have it.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/videos/videos/Press-Pass-Chip-Kelly/dfd63dc1-fcc9-48a6-be57-5e835e390b68
the Dallas blog has headlines that read: “Dallas has Most Improved D-Line in the league” and “Do the Cowboys have too many good players?”
seriously, these are not made up.
The first might be true. They were truly awful last year, so they have a lot of room to improve. Doesn’t necessarily mean they will be good, though when Hardy gets back they might be respectable (from a football perspective only).
oh I see like “Eagles have most improved secondary in the league”.
it’s all relative lol
must cost the Cowboys a ton to fly from game to game…with all that baggage
Just keep in mind that CK doesn’t carry a 3rd QB on gameday, so any third QB is simply a backup, not a trick-play type.
Yes and no. He hasn’t done it with Barkley being his 3rd string QB. That doesn’t mean he wouldn’t do it with a QB like Tebow that has a unique skill set.
I personally think it isn’t worth pulling your starting QB for a trick-play or even a 2 pt conversion (your starter is the best QB… don’t disrupt the flow during a drive, particularly with our offense. And on a 2 pt conversion, I am not a fan of bringing in a guy who is cold off the bench for a play that the defense knows will be a gimmick-type play). But we’ll see what Chip prefers…
Can we send Sanchez and Barkley to Tom House and end Tebow experiment now? I did not understand the logic back when announced and still don’t now.
I see the logic in letting him be a #4 QB summer practice arm, and a lightning Rod to keep our joke of a media busy…. But I see no logic whatsoever in talking about TEBOW in context of a legit QB battle possibly winning a roster spot… Considering keeping TEBOW on our Roster is a joke.. I’d rather have 2 QBs and keep some like Sheed Bailey or Tomilson then to have a QB who can pass about as well as Jamarcus Russell on our roster
Tebow is not an nfl qb, his throwing/decision making is below most 3rd qbs.
He cannot come in on short yardage situations, he will be inactive.
Many teams don’t carry a third qb, your season is sunk anyways use roster spot for an extra developing player.
Tebow is not a developing player. He is a newscaster/Christian icon.
Kinne is a better PS qb as he can be wr, kicker, long snapper, olb, center, dragon slayer.
Artist: Jimmy K.
So tired of the ridiculus Suggs hit talk, so many uneducated opinions on TV, Radio! Everywhere I turn.. The biggest Joke was the Ref Blandinos explanation. it was flat out WRONG,
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this isn’t friggin complicated and im going to put this bullshit to bed once and for all. It’s not Rocket science that you need to have a brilliant Brain Like Werner VON Braun to,understand.
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not EVERY RUN out of a Shotgun is a READ OPTION.. I don’t thinki chip called a single Read OPTION for Sachez this preseason, so why would anyone think Bradford is running a zone read?
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There is a difference between an inside zone and Outside zone, which is what chip will run all year with Bradford, NOT Zone Reads, so NO Defender should be touching SAM on run plays this year
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Bradford took a shotgun snap, handed it off to the RB, then stood still and got BLASTED! There was NOTHING Zone READ about that Play and there was NOTHING LEGAL about that Hit..
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You can see the difference between Braford getting hit after running a simple inside zone and then standing still and what was actually INSIDE ZONE READS that Mariota Ran last night. instead of standing still like Bradfird after handing the ball off to his RB, Mariota ran towards the right pretending he had the ball after handing it off to Sankey.. And knowing it’s the preseason, Chris Long chose not to be a piece of shit like Suggs, and he didn’t hit Mariota when he Legally could have for being a QB carrying out the fake on a ZONE READ..
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If Bradfrd isn’t running and carrying out a fake after handing it off, ITS NOT A ZONE READ AND YOU ARENT ALLOWED TO HIT HIM!!! If you let Suggs hit Bradford like that, then next time PeYTON Manning, hands the ball off out of Shotgun defenders are allowed to Blast him even tho everyone knows PeYTON has no intention of Running?
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You can’t łet defenders hit our QB just because chip has a reputation of running Zone Reads.. Not our problem that a defender is too dumb or Undiscaplined to care about the,difference and not illegal jeapordize the hell of a starting QB.
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This IS NOT open to interpretation, this isn’t debateable its a simple, blatant Fact, and the Ref or any analyst who defends Suggs action is absurd and Moronic.. defending what Suggs did means you are OK with defenders Teeing off on PeYTON, Brady, Rodgers every time they hand the ball off out of shotgun.
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If a QB ISNT carrying out the fake, it’s NOT A zone Read and you don’t get to fuckin touch our QB…marauding against this is a joke
It’s because he’s boys with Jerry Jones.
http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/blogs/dean_blandino_tmz.jpg
I hope we BLAST the NEXT QB that lines up in Shotgun and hands the ball off… Ideally Romos hands the ball off out of shotgun week 2, and Kiko blasts him out of the season..
Blandino is still a dumbass. He’s doubled down by in response to Kelly saying Bradford doesn’t get special protection unless QB clearly doesn’t have ball or has re-established himself as a passer. Okay, great! Then what you are saying is that the flag should have been thrown because BRADFORD CLEARLY DOESN’T HAVE THE BALL! Ridicilous that this idiot is the head of officiating and quotes a rule and then says it doesn’t apply when the obvious visual evidence says it does.
by that definition, any qb can be hit after handing the ball off at any time. how do you know he *really* handed it off????
does he expect that the qb should pretend to throw a pass after handing off to transition back to a ‘passer’? LOL
it could always be hidden in the jersey or something. better hit the knees to be safe
lol you can really take this to any level of absurdity. QB on the sidelines? might be a playfake. take out his knees. WR lined up outside? he might have the ball! take out his knees!
when you are talking about play fakes, the idea is that the defense doesn’t know who has the ball. therefore, everyone on offense might have the ball! take out all of their knees!
duh, he confused me so i hit him
I know of people who live their lives by this creed.
i’ve been hit by them!
I’m not sure if you are talking about me or not. Watch out for your knees!
i would like him to explain what a QB needs to do to show that he “clearly doesn’t have the ball” and also how to “re-establish himself as a passer”. you would think that showing the defender both of your empty hands would be enough, but he still got hit.
moonwalk
He needs to fall to the ground after handing off the ball. Then he should roll around screaming – “don’t hit me, don’t hit me”. Of course, that means no more play action but the NFL FO is never wrong.
But what if he to then jump up and throw it? I say we hit him anyway.
It’s the only way to be sure. And what if the QB actually hid the ball under his shirt? Then it could look like he clearly doesn’t have the ball when he actually does.
I.m not so sure. During Vick’s stay in Philly, I remember when he took some vicious hits while already on the ground and the ball long gone. They were never called, I guess because the officials let personal feelings interfere with their jobs.
That’s a big issue. The rulebook is incomplete. It throws out the standard of “passing posture” at the beginning of the roughing the passer article without defining it. Then Blandino issues “clarifications” of certain rules when what he’s saying isn’t in the actual rulebook or in the case of the “standing still/moving away” standard cherry-picking from other rules(in this case the “Roughing the Passer” article) when the language in the actual rules don’t support his clarification logically.
Blandino’s clarifications are meaningless. If you want there to be a certain rule in the playbook, actually change the rules.
this should equal open season on every qb in shotgun
I guess Cox and company can have open season on Rogers? Not to mention what Kiko can do now.
I bet you he’d have a different opinion of Romo.
LOL I can’t help but wonder if Jay Gruden is trying to get RG3 Knocked out for the season… After the hit he took thursday, they are already clearing him and Gruden said he would play Thursday if cleared..
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I can’t wait TIL the 3rd skins preseason game… Last game just the first two drives, seeing RG3 get pummeled was glorious.. Give me an Entire half of RG3 football, and I’m a happy man… Watching the mess that is the skins and RG3 is almost as geat as watching an Eagle game.. Rg3 this year is the Ultimate must see TV TRAINWRECK that you can’t look away from… Desean went back to practice yesterday,,, Im praying I get a half of RG3 this week, making a mess at QB while Desean is on the field getting angrier and angrier,,
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How LUCKY ARE WE that those MORONS didn’t draft Leonard Williams?
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I sure as hell wouldn’t enjoy seeing the eagles try to block Leonard Williams for the next decade. Fortunately the morons clearly drafted for Néed and passed on a can’t miss Probowl Beast so they could spend a top 5 pick on a Guard..
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So excited for the return of DEsean!!! We got RG3 calling himself the best QB in the League, and DEsean was running his mouth about how great of a team they are overlooking the fact that they are lucky to win more then four or five games… I LOVE THIS DIVISION!!!
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Got the Giants who stock plied all these weapons, yet are so weak and fundamentally flawed at the MEAT AND POTATOE positions like The trenches..
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Dallas thinks they are so good in the trenches that they can stick anyone else on the field.. Apparently they don’t realize that they aren’t the only team THATS Great in the trenches.. When they face top DLs it will be up to their RBs to make a play and make Kiko, Kendricks, or Jenkins miss… Joseph Randle or McFadden against Kiko Alonso? BAD IDEA!!!! The best part is they have a 40yr old QB with a bionic back and they haven’t even given any thought to grooming a young QB or getting a good backüp…
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I love this division…. But I don’t enjoy how everyone is already starting to jump on our bandwagon.. Our Vegas odds went thru the roof Til we are now tied with the Broncos at 15 to 1 odds to win the Super Bowl, a month ago we were at 40 to 1 odds,,
yea, i prefer it when we don’t get any national media attention. i feel like our local guys are the only ones that have half a clue what to say about this team. everyone else just trots out the same old shit over and over again.
which is why everyone bought the “read option” explanation for suggs’ hit
Correct, that was just lazy journalism – NFLNT was a joke, as usual.
You are all wrong. Jaws just said the flag shouldn’t have been thrown. Jaws is never wrong.
I have to agree. I used to have some respect for Willie McGuinest but not any more. Lately he has been sounding more and more like Evans and when he was sitting there giggling like a 12-year-old because Suggs hit Bradford late, in the knees, that was it. Ridiculous.
I think I’m starting to realize besides the Eagles hate, a lot of these guys hate Chip Kelly because he doesn’t do things “the right way.” So they try and dump on him every chance they get.
Louis Riddick has had the most reasonable take i have seen so far
I forgot who started it but I still picture everything you write being read in Joe Pesci’s voice.
Bills reporter says that Bryce Brown and Marquis Goodwin will either be traded or cut…
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Watch Bryce Brown ending up on the Cowboys playing against us in week 2
Cool to see the Eagles get a few forced fumbles in week 2.
Line up all 11 defenders outside the hashmarks.
LOL
I think we are missing an opportunity by just focusing on hitting the QB after hand offs, because he could still be hiding the ball. I think we should also start tackling every running back that comes out of the backfield and every receiver who goes in motion. It is not our LBs job to determine whether they took a direct snap. Just tackle them all.
I am sure the Packers also do not want this absurd intrepetation gaining traction. Chip should talk to them. On the first play Saturday, the defending team should gently tackle every offensive player in the vicinity of the offensive line, QB, both running backs and a TE or two. Wait for the flags, then bring national attention to the lunacy.
https://imgflip.com/i/q0djm
Fletcher Cox actually did just that in the playoff game against the Saints. He tackled Darren Sproles off of the playaction and was called for defensive holding.
Okay, so what about this play from Suggs? It seems he can diagnose correctly.
https://twitter.com/Wishbone215/status/635911599312764928
He’s actually more entitled to hit the QB there than he was when he was penalized.
It just so happens that it’s Sanchez and not Bradford. Even more telling that it was a cheap shot.
Bradford wears number 7, my dude. No worries, I, too, am having trouble keeping up with the new players/numbers
Doh!
As far as the 3rd QB I am not impressed enough with either of them to care which one we keep. We could drop them both and find a guy off the street and probably not suffer for it.
Hm. Who was the guy from Colorado? I thought he showed some promise, Chip paid him some attention, but I think he went undrafted?
Garrett Grayson!
“He throws with anticipation, which is rare for a college quarterback these days. He won’t overwhelm with his physical traits, but I think the whole is better than the composite parts. He has a game similar to Drew Brees.” — Mike Mayock
3rd round pick by NO. Not going anywhere. They probably won’t keep 4 QBs though. Luke McCown is the veteran backup and Ryan Griffin has shown promise. Could be available.
Thanks, I wasn’t sure because I didn’t watch every minute of the draft. Sometimes I had to walk the dog. ;~)
Damn, another injury:
Adam Caplan
@caplannfl
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#Eagles DT Wade Keliikipi was waived/injured (foot)
Not a significant injury but he was on the PS last year and I thought he showed promise.
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That really sucks for Wade.
Damn, he never lacked for effort when he was in.
I swear to God it is Mother Fucking Moron Monday in pro football.
Blandino says: “he’s considered a runner until he either clearly doesn’t have the football or he reestablishes himself as a passer”
THE FUCKING FOOTBALL WAS CLEARLY NOT WITH BRADFORD!
https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/635295697319915520
But Chip Kelly runs read option so he doesn’t get “special consideration.”
Does the fact that I tweeted this picture to Blandino suggest I should seek psychological consultation for obsession?
Not at all. Fuck him. Dumb fuck doesn’t know his own rule book.
What I don’t really get is in this case Blandino’s position seems to be give all types of leeway to the defender. “The defender doesn’t know if the QB has the ball or not!” When a pass rusher is going after a traditional drop-back pass rusher, if the QB gets the ball away at the last minute then the defender is expected to process that in a microsecond and pull up. Yet, somehow, expecting the defender to be able to identify has the ball in approximately the same time frame and not hit a QB that doesn’t have the ball is unreasonable.
It’s because it’s the Eagles AND Chip Kelly.
Yes AG you are absolutely correct again. The NFL is based on tradition and Chip is a threat to the norm. God help us in the SB if we need a call to turn our way – that’s why we need Tebow to beg for divine intervention. 🙂
See CK is smarter than all of us. That’s why Tebow is here!
And that is the part that is complete bullshit. It was obvious that Bradford didn’t have the ball.
Blandino is the guy that was partying on the Cowboys bus
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s–VP-ysANU–/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ats0wfdudwsrqct9b4kh.png
This is what I’ve been saying all along. I don’t trust him. Because if it was Romo that took that hit, Suggs would be fined.
If it was Tom Brady, they would make up a new rule just so they could be sure he broke it. Oh, wait…they already did…and he did.
Maybe that bus can crash with both Blandino and the education wrecking piece of garbage from NJ on it?
Which is interesting because the NFL didn’t do anything about this. This doesn’t cross the line as favortism that the VP of Officiating is sitting on a bus with a part owner of the Dallas Cowboys.
Blandino should have been removed from his position as soon as this was reported. If they simply had a business meeting to discuss rules, that’s fine. This crossed the line to partying and socializing and is a clear conflict of interest.
But it’s Jerry Jones who does whatever the heck he wants. Tampering? No problem. Conflict of Interest? No worries.
It’s laughable the deal with the Cowboys and the NFL.
Well, in fairness to the league, the Cowboys weren’t laughing when Goodell knocked money off of their cap two years in a row due to spending violations from 2010.
True, but they can’t do it to the Redskins and not the Cowboys.
Man, I miss practice notes and tweets
Confirmed torn ACL for Jordy Nelson.
That’s a lot of catches to divide up with the rest of the receivers on that team. Adams just got a ton more valuable.
Eagles claimed DT Jeremy Towns off waivers from Bills.
Kareem Townes was the shit!
http://articles.philly.com/2000-12-08/news/25577676_1_crack-cocaine-kareem-townes-undercover-dea-agent
So, he was the shit Townes?
https://youtu.be/mQularrtKOQ
With all of the reoccurance of injury concerns that were swirling around the Bradford trade regarding his ACL surgery, I grew concerned and did a little digging. From my research, Couplin should be good to go; there is a VERY low rate of needing a second appendectomy surgery.
True story, my mom actually had her appendix removed twice.
I don’t know if one of the surgeries was botched or they didn’t get it all once or what the story was, but she had to have an appendectomy twice.
You know, as I was typing it I knew there would be someone.
I mean, the VERY low rate part could still be true. I don’t know anyone else who’s had their appendix out twice so it can’t be that common :p.
Maybe some genetic abnormality that caused here to have two appendixes?
is she a starfish?
is she a Highlander?
No Monday night game?
Yes, I think Bucs and Bengals but not on NFLNT. It’s on ESPN at 5pm Pacific or 8pm Eastern.
Oh ok,,, thanks
Kiko says he will debut in Green Bay….. So excited to see that Explosive, angry Enforcer flying around behind Cox and Logan…..
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Hype for the packages where we see Vinny Curry at Predator next to Kiko, Kendricks, Barwin.. Our Defense has been Looking good, but we haven’t seen anything yet, our Linebackers are going to Dominate, and,Cox usually takes it easy during the preseason… Loving how BG looks so far..
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hoping Sheed Bailey and Tomilson don’t get poached off our Practice Squad. Quarran Pratt doesn’t seem to have developed much, I’d rather give Bailey his Pracice squad spot.
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How many Offensive Lineman does everyone think we are keeping? Doubt we keep as many as last year which was an ANOMOLY, we only kept 10 because the backups were dominant in the Preseason… Dount we keep as many this year.
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Graf doesn’t seem to have improved enough, he can’t win a roster spot
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I see No reason to keep both MOLK AND Vandervelde, one or the other. I hate MOLK so Vandervelde by default is my choice.. Hopefully by next year Moffit returns to his pre retirement form and is able to backüp Kelce the next few years while backing up RG, unless he surprises us and wins the starting RG in the future.
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Tobin is obviously our top backüp. His best position is LG, hopefully he is doing well in his LT cross training..
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I say they keep Tobin, Moffitt, Vandervelde… And the X factor is DENNIS Kelly… No idea if he has improved enough to keep
Just to throw another wrinkle into the whole Suggs hit being legal because Bradford hadn’t “reestablished himeself as a passer yet.” The NFL is really screwing itself on the subjectivity of whether a player has the ball or not. In the Saints playoff game Fletcher Cox tackled Sproles coming through the whole on a play action pass and it was called defensive holding. Apparently it is now ok to tackle a QB who isn’t even following through on a fake but not ok to tackle a runningback on a play fake?
It definitely seems like a can of worms. It seems like a bias against Chip Kelly’s offense, that even if they are running a normal shotgun handoff they can still be treated as though they are running a zone read with a potential keeper.
I agree with my father, that it’ll stand for awhile until someone gets burned. It’ll change by mid-season.
that is my main issue with it. I don’t think that play was a read-option. it was a simple hand off. Bradford never made a an actual read. Just because Chip has read-option plays in his playbook doesn’t make every shotgun hand off a “read-option”
Tom Brady does this all the time….Does anybody ever respond to saying it’s a read-option play?…….no, because his coach isn’t Chip Kelly
It IS a BIAS against Chip Kelly. He is a threat to the status quo. But make no mistake, owners like Robert Kraft will not support his position.
It’s “reestablished himself as a passer” or has “clearly handed ball off and is standing still/moving away from play”. In this case, he had clearly handed the ball off and was moving away from the play but that either blind or paid off by Jerry Jones fool Blandino refuses to admit it.
Exactly. Some QBs are going to get hurt after that idiot in charge of officiating said this play is legal. Bradford had time to step back and embrace for the hit after he handed off. Clearly wasn’t a bang bang play.
I just hope it’s some other team’s QB.
As I said below, just tackle everyone!
I mean one can’t be expected to look for the football, anyone could have it!
Really, I would think the only time a defender can be certain enough that they choose not to hit the QB is if the defender actually has the ball in his hands.
Of course, in that case Nick Foles demonstrated that everyone is a threat and must be blocked to the ground violently by the other 10 defenders.
Again, if you have a football in your hand, how do you know Tom Brady didn’t real quick take one of those deflated balls from under his jersey, pumped it up real quick and hand it to you as a decoy. Trust nothing, all threats must be neutralized
KENDRICKS EXTENDED! 4 years. $29 mill
That seems like quite a bargin price.
Really? Over 7mm a year for an ILB? I like Kendricks but that seems high.
Is less than other ILB’s have been getting this year – they have been in the $8mil per year or more. As with all contracts it takes a while to realise that an $8mil deal this year is a $6mil deal in 2012.
For a young, ascending LB in a rising salary cap? It is less that DeMeco is scheduled to make, isn’t it? In theory, DeMeco will be coming off the books in the near future.
I’m not mad about it at all, I just didn’t see it as a ‘bargain’ is all. Truth be told I was surprised Demeco wasn’t cut with his cap hit, and it’s crazy he’s already back from his achilles injury.
I think it is good for both sides…Kendricks gets an extension and money he deserves and eagles keep an ascending ILB and don’t have to bank on another young replacing him and don’t have to overpay a free agent
Agreed.
When he left the field last year, I sadly predicted that it was the end of his career. I am happy to be wrong.
But agreed, I am surprised we are paying him. I guess the old regime set our expectations low for valuing LBs. But if you look at it as using the money slated for DeMeco going to Kendricks next year, it is pretty easy to pay.
Meco is making a little more than $3mil per year next 2 years. He signed a deal to be our vet leader but to have limited snaps starts.
Hmm. My bad. I must have confused him with someone else.
Fair price for a very good player. We need him, make no mistake.
I haven’t seen the yearly breakdowns, but the salary cap is going up fast. By the end of the deal, what seems high now will be very fair.
Mychal Kendricks signed a extension! Gonna be fun watching him and Kiko in the middle of the D.
Unless what I’m reading on Twitter is false.
Haha I just saw the same thing. Les Bowen just retweeted some dude I had never heard of so it may not be true but I am still pretty stoked.
Great News. The ILB corps is awesome!
And confirmed!
Awesome!
Apparently we just signed Kendricks to an extension!
what?!
4 year extension.
4 year, $29 mil. and well earned. We now have a dominant ILB corps. Look out NFL.
Well when Chip guaranteed that Kendricks would be here this year he really meant it! Our favourite hack Jimmy will struggle to persuade people he is getting traded now.
Our ILB depth is going to be so deep and so talented for a LONG time. Kendricks and Kiko could be the best LB pairing in the NFL this year.
No Sam Bradford is hurt, because he’s not running a lot in training camp. Definitely not 100%. Oh wait, after the game we stopped hearing that nonsense too.
i guess thats what chip meant when he said “Mychal Kendricks is not going anywhere. You can write that down in ink.”
We need him to shore up the D. Chip made the observation that he had to invest in D to win a SB. Now we need the next steps.
Team starting to look at like SEA seahawks, except way better skill players. 1) bruising RBs who can run through contact, 2) big long secondary focused on turnovers, 3) LBs that can cover and blitz, 4) run-based offense w/ lots of play action.
It’s amazing how loaded this team is on all 3 fronts, ST on smash, defense finally has respectable personnel, offense has the pieces to be good for a long time.
This Kiko contract is SUPER reasonable considering salary cap.
Coaching and priorities. This team is on track. Now we need players who can rise to the occasion despite adversity. Sh*t happens and we need to overcome. I know we will.
That should settle who the 2 starting ILBs are going to be
yea- wait if we are measuring how much resources we have invested in players that would mean ‘Meco and Mychal. I think our 2 ILB’s will be Ki’mechal Aldrans and De’mycho Rylonsicks
I think it should be an open competition: whichever two players can tackle the most offensive players the quickest after the snap, regardless of who has the ball, win starting jobs. Ties will be settled by the player who most often goes for the knees.
Yes, we’ll call it the I for I formation
That is awesome.
Brilliant.
I heard the Titans required Kendricks be extended for the Mariota trade.
how blown would everyone’s minds be at that point, lol
We have Kiko on a rookie contract for 2 more seasons right? Kendricks for 4 years. Begs the question what are we doing with Hicks? Understand he’s good depth but it was made to sound like he was eventually going to be a starter.
Doesn’t Hick’s contract take him to the end of Kendricks’ new deal? Sounds like Hicks can replace DeMeco next year and then three years later they might be able to let Kendricks walk if he gets too expensive. I think we always want three. They are the heart of the defense, and not Sith.
Yeah, but it just seems unwise use of 3rd round pick to be forcefully capped to being a back up role his entire rookie contract
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But I’m not complaining today looking forward to kiko and kendricks.
Kiko will be a RFA in 2017 so will be under cheap control even then.
Interesting thing with Kendrick’s contract is it is pretty front loaded, with him getting 16mil in the first 2 years. He will be getting less than $7mil in 2018 and 2019, which will make him very cheap then with the rising cap when he should be in his ‘prime’.
Chip saved Kiko’s ass and Kiko knows this. He will do anything that needs to be done for Chip. Chip gave him the chance at greatness and Kiko grabbed it.
Kiko owes Chip big time. Such things are not forgotten among men.
you talking about back at Oregon right? did he almost get kicked off the team. Sorry my Legend of Kiko knowledge is poor.
Here is a hint of the lynch mob:
http://www.dailyemerald.com/2011/05/02/husseman-chip-kelly-must-kick-kiko-alonso-off-the-ducks-football-team/
Chip suspended Kiko but later gave him a chance. Such things are not forgotten by fans or men.
thanks. That mentions a torn ACL. Did he tear one in college, then as a Bill too? same one or different knee?
Don’t know if it was the same one. Good question.
Maybe Chip meant it when he said he wanted depth at ILB, which is why he brought Alonso in. At least it’ll put the Kendricks is def getting traded talk to rest.
Duh..
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Or he meant it when he said “we are a different defense with Mykal on the field”
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Or he meant it when he talked about how he is so good at blitzing and in coverage, it’s a shame you have to pick one or the other each play
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Funny how everything was ignored to fit this absurd narrative that we would lose a high charevter young player who is a stud!!!
I think the disconnect is that these reporters are so used to how things are supposed to be done, that they don’t realize Chip is the honey badger – he don’t give a s***.
The only down side to this Kendricks deal is it precludes us from signing any other key defensive player with a name starting with K. Adding a third K-named player to Kiko and Kendricks would just make things too easy for the haters.
maybe that’s when he decided he needed to keep kendings
I guess no Kam Chancellor trade then
The only downside is NOTHING!
Kendricks extended.
Chip Kelly is awesome.
Mychal is another guy who hates playing for Chip.
Remember after 2010 season on the radio they were trying to count impact players/stars on the defenseive side and can only list two- asante and cole. Now this defense is loaded. Came a long way since then.
RE: The Tebow missed open receiver video
I think he just has more confidence to run it in from there than in his arm, I don’t think he missed the receiver at all.
I don’t think I want a QB on my team who lacks any degree of confidence in throwing a 10 yard pass to an uncovered receiver.
Oh I totally agree.. He saw that open WR with plenty of time to get it to him.. Looked Like a QB with no confidence in his ability to throw accurately..
He wouldn’t be the first eagles QB to miss wide open receivers.
Color me shocked on the Kendrick’s deal. I was one of the ones firmly convinced this was his last year. Congratulations to Michael and hope for some truly dominating performances between him, Kiko, and Demeco.
right I thought he didn’t fit the measurables.
LOL
fOles
YES YES YES YES KENDRICKS IS HERE FOR ANOTHER…4 years
Shocker… NOT
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“We are a different defense when Mykal is on the field”-Chip Kelly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjKRQ_OqCCw
Because it was absurd how it was ignored for months to fit some absurd narrative.. Why the hell would anyone think we wouldn’t even try to workout a long term deal with one of best and most versatile ILBs in the game who is also a high charevter gym rat? Because of some bullshit mariota rumor?
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For months and Months fans and media been shutting on this kid, who is one of our best players and deserved better..
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Vinny and Cox are next to get signed
I was joking. The people who sold this narrative won’t touch that belief anymore, so they’ll move to the next story they make up in their minds. Probably something about MS2 getting cut.
I’m truly sad Sheil is in Seattle now.
He was in the package. It was not nearly enough.
There was no way he was going to get Mariota without having to rebuild for a few years. Picks and players would have decimated this team.
Because he’s 5’11” tall and has short arms. I love him and think he’s a heck of a player, but he does NOT fit Kelly’s size requirements. Also, because Kelly ragged on Michael constantly about ‘when he’s healthy.’ It wasn’t some BS rhetoric and the extending of Demeco and trade for Kiko still make this an odd resigning. I’m not complaining, because I was irritated because it looked like they were going dispose of another talented player who ‘didn’t fit their scheme.’ Glad to be wrong.
Like I said all along, chip has been raving about Kendricks for 3 years but everyone ignored it because of a bullshit rumor in a mariota trade.. No matter what chip was thinking, after he saw kilo and Kendricks fly around the center of our defense this year he would have to be brain dead to break up that tandem..
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Finally the absurd, ridiculous trade talk can shut up
Finally!!
RAINMAKER
I would throw one of your past opinions in your face but you aren’t relevant enough for me to have any clue of anything you ever said… Keep sweating me, it’s flattering
Keep cool, GEagle, there are many fans here of all persuasions. Most importantly, we are EAGLES FANS!!!!!
lmao!
We are all excited that we locked up a good young player for a few years, but don’t lay on the obviously-everyone-should-have-known-this-like-I-did too thick or it might motivate someone to go back through old comments looking for some other players Chip would have to be brain dead to lose…players who are now gone.
I thought this was interesting:
https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/635969535569494016
For years, LB was an issue under AR. Now, the three AR guys who got extensions under Chip Kelly are LBs.
Meco didn’t really get an extension, lowered his cap hit to make it easier to keep all 3
He took less money this year (the last on his deal) for some guaranteed money next year. So yes, he was extended one year. All three should be back next year.
I figure Meco has a couple years left, but I can see him taking a coaching/player role. Kiko/Kendricks are faster, but the knowledge Meco brings is immeasurable. A couple more seasons to impart knowledge and you have Hicks as the 3rd rotation guy to pick up the slack when it’s time to hang up the cleats.
I could see Meco taking over for Minter in the future to be honest. Or becoming a coach in some capacity for Chip.
I guess Cooper and JP weren’t included because Howie was GM (at least in title) that year?
The graphic is of players from this offseason, but yea, other AR guys did get extensions after AR left.
gotcha
WOW:
Jimmy Kempski @JimmyKempski 59m59 minutes ago
Mychal Kendricks’ last 16 games: 115 tackles, 7 sacks, 5 FF, 2 INT.
Just stay healthy
That’s not what kempski was chirping for months…
Has he even addressed his whole Bradford is still injured thing?
Did he need to? Bradford got held from the game. Kempski was the only reporter to make that call. I’d argue he was the only one that was right.
I think so, he said that he wasn’t ready to play because he wasn’t 100%. What changed in 6 days?
First off, saying a player isn’t 100% isn’t the same as saying a player is completely injured. Second off, Bradford has played ONE drive in two preseason games. The coaches are CLEARLY easing him in because they are not 100% confident in his health. If Bradford was truly 100% and there were no real concerns about being injured, he would be playing just like any starting QB normally does in the preseason. It’s not like Bradford has played a ton of football in the last two years therefore preseason snaps are not valuable to him.
Bradford has taken every practice snap. If they weren’t confident, Sanchez would be getting most of the 1st team reps. Secondly, Kempski based this observation on the fact that Bradford wasn’t running a lot from the QB spot.
It was bad reporting since he was trying to drum up a news story. Everyone else at camp watching the same thing said differently.
Kempski was wrong and he knows it. Bradford not playing a lot of snaps in preseason is to make sure nothing accidental happens that keeps him from starting in the regular season. Yeah, they are playing it safe, but it’s not because they don’t have confidence.
We’ll have to agree to disagree. In practice, Bradford doesn’t get hit. He doesn’t have to worry about getting tackled. That is completely different from playing a preseason game with an actual pass rush.
Everyone else reporting believed Bradford was going to play in the preseason game. Kempski called the fact that Bradford isn’t likely to play in the first game two days before Chip announced it. That’s not bad reporting…
Lastly, the Eagles have not been cautious with their starting QBs in the past. They are clearly cautious with Bradford. To me, that means he isn’t 100%. Whether it is physical or mental (I would assume that it is more mental considering the doctors passed him), I don’t think the Eagles are just being cautious just because… they are being cautious because they believe Bradford needs to be eased in… A player who is 100% healthy (physically and mentally) doesn’t need to be eased in.
Well said Iskar. I agree with your comment.
We will agree to disagree, but after taking 2 pretty vicious hits – he bounced back and led them down the field. He’s fine, and Chip is cautious because this is his job.
What the Eagles have done in the past does not concern Kelly, he only worries about the present and future. Considering Suggs went for his knees in a preseason game, finishing out the drive and sitting him I think is warranted.
Chip sees the big picture, and he feels comfortable enough playing him in limited action going into the season. Trust me, if Sam wasn’t ready they would be prepping Sanchez for Atlanta.
Bradford is the best pure QB the Eagles have had in a very long time. The cautiousness I think is related to making sure no freak accidents happen going into the regular season.
There are plenty of healthy players going down so far this preseason. No need to risk it.
It’s fine we disagree, but I think it’s a hard argument to make that he wasn’t healthy enough for the 1st game but 6 days later he can play a series. Either he is ready or he’s not.
Nothing Chip has done so far would lead me to believe they don’t have confidence in his health. It’s when you start to see Sanchez take 1st team snaps that should be a signal that something is wrong.
I agree. We are seeing a measured approach that bodes well for Bradford’s future with the team.
LOL… Bradford hasn’t gotten any more “healthy” in 6 days in between games… You don’t get cleared by a doctor to practice unless you are fully HEALTHY if you are Bradford. His health hasn’t changed at all in 6 days
Yeah, 3 days later he tweeted that Bradford was looking great, pretending nothing happened
Yeah its whatever now but that stat line is ridiculous
One thing I was worried about under chip, is I haven’t seen him extend players ahead of time before they were about to be free agents. He extended Kielce and JP right after the season but we haven’t seen chip announce an extension In August or in the beginning of October…. IM THRILLED to actually see him extend a young player 7 months before he has to… Get the Curry and Cox deals done, extend Thurmond if he stays healthy and we are set til next year when we have to think about Logan, Ertz and giving Jenkins a new deal.. Give Coops money to one of those guys next year
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Draft some rookie lineman to get guys on cheap rookie deals
Yep, Chip is full of surprises.
Getting Cox and Logan under contract is the next big thing.
Cox is the bigger concern as he’s coming up sooner and is the guy who shows up on everyone’s ‘underrated’ team. Logan will be in another season or so. 🙂
Also, Cox is considered scheme diverse. People in the know say he would dominate in any scheme. Don’t think you could say the same of Logan, not that he’s not a heck of a player.
Now, extend Cox!
I love how Joe Banner gives his two cents on every Eagles move….i really do
He’s actually surprisingly insightful. Too bad his name is mud because he enjoyed being the bad guy a little too much.
yes! fair and insightful is how i would describe him
We’re still a few pieces away in the secondary from having a truly dominant defense. I’m also still not sold on Billy D as our coordinator, but resigning Kendricks is a great step in the direction of solidifying an improving defense. BTW, those pieces in the secondary may be on the team now, just have to prove they can step up. Rowe, I’m looking at you 🙂