Safety Depth

Posted: September 2nd, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 364 Comments »

Malcolm Jenkins and Walter Thurmond could be the best starting Safety duo for the Eagles since 2008, when Quintin Mikell and some guy named Dawkins were the stars of the deep patrol. The 2009-2014 era is not exactly a Who’s Who of great Safeties so the bar isn’t set all that high. Still, Jenkins and Thurmond have looked pretty good this summer and that’s very encouraging.

After the starters, things become less clear.

Chris Maragos is a great STs player and will be one of the backups. That is a given. He will be active on gameday. Maragos isn’t a guy you want starting on defense, but he can be effective in a limited role.

Chris Prosinski, Ed Reynolds and Jerome Couplin are battling for one, possibly two roster spots. I thought Prosinski had a spot locked up, but I’m less certain at this point. And Chip Kelly said something in a recent press conference that really got my attention.

Kelly mentioned that the backup Safety positions were unsettled. He then said Couplin’s absence (due to an appendectomy) had complicated matters. I found that very interesting. I would have listed Couplin as the #5 Safety heading into Training Camp. But here Kelly says identifying the #3 or #4 Safety was affected by Couplin being out.


Sounds like the Eagles had high hopes for Couplin. And that makes sense. Couplin is bigger and more athletic than the other backup Safeties. He has more physical potential. This is a player you want to see in action so you can get an idea of whether he is possibly a future starter.

Couplin did miss time in TC. He played in the second preseason game, but was rusty. He was better in Green Bay.

The problem for the coaches is that none of the backups has jumped out. Reynolds had a pair of picks in the opener and is playing more aggressively than ever, but he hasn’t looked so good that you want him on the field in a real game. Prosinski has been good on STs, but hasn’t stood out on defense.

The Jets game will be huge for the backup Safeties. They will be fighting for a roster spot, as well as playing time. The fourth Safety will be active on game day. Prosinski was that guy last year, but he’s no lock to have the job this time out.

You can make a case for all three players. The difference will be which player makes a name for himself on Thursday night when the Eagles play the Jets.

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Zach Berman wrote a piece on the same subject, but had some quotes.

The Eagles have given Reynolds an extended look this summer. The Stanford product didn’t make the team last season even though he was a fifth-round pick, but he learned the defense on the practice squad and maintained a presence at the team facility throughout the offseason.

His 165 defensive snaps are the most on the team this preseason. He has six tackles and two interceptions. Reynolds said there’s “a huge difference” between his playing time this summer and last, and he is happy for the opportunity. But he knows he needs another good week of film and must prove he can be a special-teams contributor as well.

“All you can control is what you put on the tape,” Reynolds said. “The eye in the sky doesn’t lie. You can talk about how great you did that game or how you should have been given more chances, but in the end, the tape is the silent resumé.”

It will be interesting to see what happens.

364 Comments on “Safety Depth”

  1. 1 Media Mike said at 9:05 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    And I’d keep 5 guys at safety over 3 at QB if the 3rd QB is going to be Tebow.

  2. 2 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:18 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Agreed. I would add ‘or Barkley’ though.

  3. 3 A_T_G said at 10:05 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    And I would propose an “or RGIII.” amendment.

  4. 4 GEAGLE said at 10:14 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Think 5 safeties are making it anyway.. Safeties and Linebackera are the best ST players and we didn’t build the best ST in the league by Accident.. Do the math..
    Thurmond, Jenkins, Maragos and Prosinski are locks, Coup ca Reynolds for the #5 safety… Although the winner of Coup and Reynolds could end up higher on the depth chart then Maragis and Prosinski who made the roster as ST players NOT necessarily as safeties… Or Prosinski can prove to make the roster for ST while also proving he should be ahead of the coup vs Reynolds winner on the depth chart..

    In my mind, the only question I need answered is if we are keeping 8 OL or 9,., other then that, I don’t expect many surprises at least not surprises that I care about. For example, no idea if it’s gonna be Barkley or Tebow, But either way I don’t really care,,. Neither makes me happy

  5. 5 Media Mike said at 9:09 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    I’m also happy to not have to worry about clown Nate Allen on the field.

  6. 6 eagleyankfan said at 7:37 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    But he had those interceptions last year and the one this pre-season! (puke)

  7. 7 mtn_green said at 9:21 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    I got gamepass and I’m going to watch one game per night until 9/14. So 11 games in total. Here is my list of recent favorites so far.
    If you can I need the year and week #. Can only get games from 2011 season forward.

    YEAR. WEEK. (Description)
    1. 2014 week 6 (blackout)
    2. 2013 week 13 (snow bowl)
    3. 2013 week 1 (Vicks crazy game, chips first)

  8. 8 Flyin said at 9:28 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    2014 Thanksgiving Day – Romo prematurely going into the fetal position.

  9. 9 mtn_green said at 10:42 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Just gotta tell myself to not think of the second boys game.

  10. 10 Ark87 said at 8:42 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    The first game I thought of, this was the high-point of my football watching experience last season

  11. 11 Flyin said at 9:35 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    2014 (week 10) – From memory… Cam Newton was pummeled and looked hurt. I thought they should have pulled him.

  12. 12 mtn_green said at 10:41 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    That was the cox goes off game.

  13. 13 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:37 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    I strongly recommend you start with 2012 Week 17. Eagles lose 42-7 to Giants. Remember where we came from.

  14. 14 anon said at 10:23 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Or eagles losses against dallas or WAS last year

  15. 15 mtn_green said at 10:41 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    No losses. Eagles are hard enough to follow to inflict self pain.

  16. 16 A_T_G said at 10:04 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    2013 week 1 was going to be my suggestion. The only thing to come out of that game was how crazy fast we played. I remember watching in awe live, and afterwards it was the talk of the week.

    I bet it looks routine now.

  17. 17 Flyin said at 10:41 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    We just witnessed a reminder of that game. We need to get that routine consistent, and make it routine.

  18. 18 mtn_green said at 10:45 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    I left on an errand to get my daughters cello at end of the first quarter because I thought it was half time.

  19. 19 Flyin said at 10:46 PM on September 2nd, 2015:


  20. 20 anon said at 10:23 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    gotta watch the first skins game last year.

  21. 21 nicolajNN said at 10:32 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    The Oakland game from 2013? Foles’ perfect game

  22. 22 Flyin said at 10:38 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Good one!

  23. 23 mtn_green said at 10:40 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Nice! 7 TD hall of fame jersey forgot about it.

  24. 24 CTAZPA said at 10:54 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Bears – “We’re from Philadelphia and we fight!” 2013- 15 or 16

  25. 25 botto said at 12:16 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    last year week 2 @ colts is a good one

  26. 26 Flyin said at 9:27 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Why do some people have such an issue with Bradford wearing “sleeves”. Are some fans so hard up they need to bitch about something? Or are these clowns 12yrs old and just started watching football? Or both?

  27. 27 Insomniac said at 9:31 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    something something more injury prone?

    I really don’t know either since I couldn’t read it due to how absurd it was

  28. 28 wee2424 said at 9:39 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    I think people are just joking around about it and you are taking it the wrong way.

  29. 29 Flyin said at 9:43 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Some are joking, because some douche bags really are serious.

  30. 30 Flyin said at 9:54 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Order yours today…

  31. 31 Flyin said at 9:55 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Order yours today…

  32. 32 A_T_G said at 9:59 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Ironically, that shirt doesn’t have full short sleeves.

  33. 33 Flyin said at 10:01 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Agree… Looks more like a cut that would be worn with boobs.

  34. 34 A_T_G said at 10:07 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Yeah, although the neckline would almost make boobs a waste.

  35. 35 Flyin said at 10:10 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    a little scissor cut can bring out the best.

  36. 36 Flyin said at 10:17 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    This is better…

  37. 37 A_T_G said at 10:21 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Half way there…

  38. 38 EagleNebula said at 12:28 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Now I want the sleeveless version of that.

  39. 39 laeagle said at 11:58 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    It started as joking but some people were seriously criticizing his “style”. The jokes were fine, the continual style criticism, as if it’s anything in the world a football fan should give two shits about, that was a bit much. Perhaps if he wore sleeves that somehow showed more scrotal cleavage, he would have been OK.

  40. 40 wee2424 said at 10:24 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Well that’s pretty sad if that’s the case.

  41. 41 OregonDucker said at 12:00 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I have a problem with Bradford wearing sleeves. If you’ll notice that Russell Wilson, and others wear very short sleeves that have elastic to hold tight to the arm. Why??

    The reason why is that when a DL or LB grab the long, flopping sleeve that Bradford wears, the QB can be jerked down awkwardly. This results in knee injuries. Take a look at one of Bradford’s ACL injuries that occured on the sideline. He was jerked down awkwardly and it ripped his ACL. In this case, I don’t think it was the sleeve but it was his jersey.

    I’m not joking. There is a good reason why many QBs wear the tight-fitting, elastic sleeves. They’re trying to avoid injury.

  42. 42 JoeBlow said at 12:24 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    going through old pictures of Bradford i noticed at times with st. Louis he did have the elastic band in his sleeves, i always thought he wore his sleeves loose since college

    fwiw, i played QB up until and throughout high school and i always hated having to throw with the tight sleeves. It was probably more of a mental thing but i always felt some restriction

  43. 43 OregonDucker said at 12:31 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    JoeBlow – good info. I suspect that’s why Sam wants the loose sleeve. (I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.) I suspect he thinks it gives him better touch on his throwing mechanics. But I will have a heart attack if a Suggs-like jerk pulls him down by the sleeve.

  44. 44 Michael Winter Cho said at 11:40 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Guys with strong arms can throw even with tight sleeves.

  45. 45 EagleNebula said at 12:33 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I accidentally posted this in the wrong place so here goes attempt 2:

    Yet his would be the only jersey in the proshop that matches what he wears since they always have sleeves…

  46. 46 stephenstempo said at 6:55 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    lighten up

  47. 47 Dave said at 9:49 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    I’m glad this discussion is about our backups. A few years ago, any one if these three would be in the conversation about starting with the likes of Nate Allen and Kurt Coleman…and even Patrick Chung.

  48. 48 A_T_G said at 9:58 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Sadly accurate.

  49. 49 Flyin said at 10:09 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Chung was damaged goods. Bill let him go so he could heal on the Eagles payroll, play secretly injured to make sure they would not meet in the super bowl and Chung was a spy relaying all info weekly.

  50. 50 Dave said at 10:11 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Lol, funny

  51. 51 truehaynes said at 12:04 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I have been a proponent of this theory for a long time. If true bill is a genius. More people should do this.

  52. 52 Dave said at 10:10 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    I’d be curious if either starter is injured and would be in line to miss significant time, would Rowe move to safety if Nolan and Maxwell remained healthy.

  53. 53 GEAGLE said at 10:16 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Why do people think Rowe can play safety when he hasn’t learned the safety playbook and hasn’t practice at safety in our system since arriving in Philly… In the future Rowe will probably learn our safety position, but NO WAY can you put Rowe at safety this year

  54. 54 Flyin said at 10:23 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Marcus Smith had to learn the ILB position during last season due to depth. I sure hope Rowe doesn’t need to play safety this year, I just object to your NO WAY.

  55. 55 GEAGLE said at 8:34 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I don’t object to anything,.. I’m saying he has to learn the fuckin playbook at safety first…LOL you think that happens overnight?
    Ideally ROWE spends an entire year on the bench where rookie corners belong

  56. 56 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 8:47 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I agree that Rowe should spend a lot of time on the bench this year…. just not all of it.

  57. 57 GEAGLE said at 9:32 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I agree,… He will play ST from the start, and as he gains game experience we should be able to put more and more on his plate, seeing his role expand by mid season… .. But I doubt we are going to put learning safety position on his plate right now when he just started learning Nickel corner the first week of August..
    Think safety versatility will have to wait yil next summer for ROWE… But who knows,. Maybe he shows insane growth rate and happens to be some freak savant who can handle it

  58. 58 Flyin said at 5:32 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Absolutely… if he spends a night at a Holiday Inn Express.

  59. 59 Dave said at 10:30 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Earl Wolf started for Chip as a rookie. Rowe has learned the slot, which Thurmond said made his learning curve for safety easy. Injuries force change. Would having Rowe, who is a seemingly more gifted player than any of the three other safeties, be that bad of an option if a starter would suffer a significant injury just because he didn’t play the position in training camp?

  60. 60 GEAGLE said at 8:33 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Earl wolff is a friggin safety dude… He isn’t some kid who practiced at corner all summer and then went in the game at safety as a rookie
    LOL Marcus Smith? How many times did you see MS2 take the field as an ILB? And coaches admitted it Prob stunted his growth..
    ROWE “learned the slot”?? First time he EVER played the slot was first week of August.,.. When do you plan on ROWE learning the safety play book? The season starts next week lol

  61. 61 Dave said at 2:12 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Eric Rowe was a SAFETY for THREE YEARS until bumping out to corner for his senior season. I’ll REPEAT this for you again, Eric ROWE WAS A SAFETY IN COLLEGE! See I can do the all caps for emphasis too!

    You missed my entire point. If a starter goes down with a significant injury, would you rather have a 2nd round pick who was a safety in college step in, or one of the current backups vying for a roster spot who all look suspect at best? What’s more important, skill set and safety experience or having been in the system for a year? I would think Rowe might be a better option with his past safety experience and skill set.

  62. 62 EagleNebula said at 12:30 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Edit: sorry, replied to the wrong comment initially.

    I think mentioning causes Nnambi to point erratically in disbelief regardless of where he is.

  63. 63 GEAGLE said at 10:08 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    I thought chip was talking about safety depth being effected by Couplin getting hurt..
    Most coaches keep 1 maybe two spots for special team aces , chip built the best ST I ever seen by allocating like 4-5 roster spots to ST Aces… prosinski is one of the top 5 special teams players on the team, and I think our 5 beat ST players will always make this roster, so until I see Chip cut an ELITE ST player, I have to see it to believe it so I’m pretty convinced that Maragos, Braman, Prosinski, Arijatutu, Burton and Barner are all locks to make this roster until proven otherwise
    I think Maragos an Prosinski are locks to make the roster, but not necessarily because of safety play, so basically I’m convinced it’s between Reynolds and Couplin for the 5th safety spot after we keep two starters, Maragos and Prosinski… But the winner or Reynolds vs Couplin could be as high as our #3 safety even tho he isn’t a lock but Prosinski and Maragos are… IMO Prosinski roster spot is guaranteed because of his ST play, but he is still competing for his spot on the safety depth chart…. I’d be pretty surprised to see Prosinski cut and both Reynolds and Couplin make the roster…
    There is no precedent for chip cutting one of our top 5 ST players, so I’m going to have to see Prosinski get cut to believe it.., sorry

  64. 64 A_T_G said at 10:18 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    True, but Chip also said he has never had this much talent to choose from. At some point I would hope we have enough players good at both ST and a position that ST ace isn’t enough anymore.

    I think the Tutu/Austin/Baily or Reynolds/Proz/Couplin decisions are the most likely spots to see that dynamic play out.

  65. 65 GEAGLE said at 10:27 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    I don’t believe that at all.,, Tutu is a guy that can be the special team leader on Normal teams, No accident we signed him, we lost two extremely Inportant ST players, Brad smith and James Casey… Adding Tutu to ST is more important then people want to give credit for… Not to mention spadaro has pretty much blatantly told everyone Tutu is making the team.. I don’t think he makes such a statement without KNOWING..

    I don’t believe we will ever see one of the top 5 ST players cut from a chip Kelly Eagles team. I will need to see that to believe it.,but you are right, he never had a roster this stacked since joining us, so this is a good year for me to test out my hypothesis,., let’s see if such a deep roster makes chip cut guys who would be special teams captains on other teams.., if we didn’t have 6 ILBs, I would have expected us the sign Lorenzo Alexander today because of his elite ST ability, but no way we can carry any more ILBs, he signed with someone else… I’m going to need to see a top caliber ST player like Tutu or Prosinski cut to believe it… We certainly didn’t build the best ST unit I ever seen cutting such high caliber ST players, and that’s not an advantage I want to give up any time soon, so I’m more then happy to see A stud like Tutu replace a quality ST player like Brad smith… Instead of special teams taking steps backward after an epic year, I actually think this crazy coach actually improved what was an epic ST unit

  66. 66 A_T_G said at 10:34 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Which one of the six listed in your original post aren’t you considering part of the locked top 5?

  67. 67 sonofdman said at 11:45 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    Colt Anderson?

  68. 68 A_T_G said at 11:48 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    That is the one.

  69. 69 GEAGLE said at 8:30 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Not brought in by chip
    I’m talking about cutting key ST ACES that Chip brougt to philly, … Clearly Colt wasn’t the ST player the andy era led us to believe

  70. 70 GEAGLE said at 8:29 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I think the WR position is set,.. 3 youngbucks, 2 old heads Coop n Austin with Tutu as the 6th, really just a ST player replacing Brad smith,.. Bailey on PRactice squad..
    I have thurmond, Jenk, Maragos, Prosinski and Coup vs. reynolds for the last safety spot… But interms of the safety depth chart, this “5th safety(Couplin vs, Reynolds) could end up being the 3rd safety leapfrogging Prosinski and Maragos even tho I think they are locks..
    Tutu, BRAMAN, Maragos, Prosinski, Burton.. Top 5 non returnmen ST players….

  71. 71 GEAGLE said at 9:01 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Doubt Bailey makes this roster… With that said, I would be friggin THRILLED if he did… I don’t know how willing we will be to soend roster spots on kids we can probably get safely on our Practice Squad without being poached..
    I’m rooting For Bailey as a Longterm eagle, but I would be surprised if he doesn’t spend a year on the practice squad first….. But as far as I’m concerned, they could cut Coop and Ausin for Bailey as far as I’m concerned…
    I just want to know how many OL are making this roster… That’s really the only thing that concerns me at this point, OL depth

  72. 72 A_T_G said at 4:47 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    When you were talking about your top 5 special teamers, which 5 are they?

  73. 73 A_T_G said at 4:50 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Nevermind, I see the other reply now.

  74. 74 Bob Scatchard said at 11:31 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    The problem I see on ST this year is that no one has excelled at being the “gunner” on the punt team to replace Boyken and downing punts inside the 5 yd line…hopefully Barner or someone else can excell at that, but haven’t seen it so far from any of our guys.

  75. 75 TXEaglesFan said at 12:58 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Huff can do it.

  76. 76 Bob Scatchard said at 6:32 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Hope your right, but as said, nobody has shown up yet…

  77. 77 GEAGLE said at 8:48 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    It has been a concern for me too… I do know that we have some quality gunners on this team like nolan Carroll who played gunner for Fipp back in Miami who HASNT been used on ST in the preseason… During the regular season its not uncommon to see starters like Jenkins, Nolan on Special teams, but we typically haven’t used many of our starters on Teams during the summer… Barner is also a capable gunner, most think he is just a return man… Hopefully when we start using starters on teams in the regular season, someone like Nolan proves to be a solid gunner replacement…. But you are right, I cringe every time this summer when we haven’t downed a punt which used to be so automatic when boykin was here

  78. 78 Bob Scatchard said at 10:28 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    yeah, I don’t like the idea of using starters on ST on a consistant basis due to injury concerns. Was hopeing Mostert could be that guy so he could make the 53 man roster.

  79. 79 mheil said at 5:21 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Chip traded Boykin, a top ST player as a gunner, maybe the best in the league

  80. 80 GEAGLE said at 8:25 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Boykin was never a top ST player brought to philly by chip Kelly

  81. 81 mheil said at 8:32 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    ST player brought in by Chip or inherited by Chip is a distinction without a difference

  82. 82 GEAGLE said at 8:45 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    For starters I’m talking about cutting a ST ace from the final roster.. It hasn’t happened so don’t waste any more of our time with apples to watermelons comparison..
    Btw, Boykin is an awesome gunner but he isn’t in the ST ace category as guys like Pros, Tutu, Braman and Maragos who are ONLY here because of their ST play..
    We have gotten rid of good st players in roster moves like Boykin trade, cutting Brad and James in March… I’m talking about cutting elite ST aces chip brought in for the final roster….so try again

    You are welcome to disagree and believe whatever the fuck you would like

  83. 83 mheil said at 11:33 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Jason Phillips was a ST ace signed in 2013, tore his rt ACL in training camp, was out for the year, came back in 2014 and was cut fairly early. Maybe he hadn’t fully recovered, I am not sure. It could be that since Chip signed Braman and Maragos in 2014, he believed he didn’t need Phillips. It is my position that Chip hasn’t been here long enough to draw the type of conclusion you are making.

  84. 84 GEAGLE said at 4:31 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Good one, PHillips was No BRAMAN or Maragos, but I do think he was originally signed more for his ST play then his ability on defense,,, THATS the closest we have to a precedent for one of the best ST players on the roster not making the final cuts.. Like you said, injury may have factored into It, but that’s probably the closest thing we can find tto an example of that….

  85. 85 nicolajNN said at 10:38 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    You’re right Tommy, but “who” is a pretty apt word to use when discussing Eagles safeties post-Dawkins

  86. 86 A_T_G said at 11:25 PM on September 2nd, 2015:

    I have asked “Who?” and “Where?” and even the occaisional “How?” But I think most often was “Why? Why, why, why?”

  87. 87 Iskar36 said at 1:42 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    The one question I have in regards to safety is why is it that we seem to have had so many false positives since Dawkins left? We seemed almost every year we would have a promising rookie only for that rookie to take a HUGE step backwards the following year.

    In 2008, Quintin Demps had a solid but not great rookie year where he looked like he would be able to take the next step towards becoming a starter only to get quickly benched the following year. In 2009, we drafted Victor “Macho” Harris who ultimately started half the season for us. He seemed like a guy who at the very least could be a serviceable starter based on his rookie season, but the following year, didn’t even make the team. The year after that, Nate Allen was drafted and looked like he was set to be a quality starter after his rookie season. He had his knee injury and constant changing coaches and never progressed (really… seemed to regress) after his rookie year. Then Earl Wolf was drafted in 2013 and after his rookie season, fans were sure he was going to take a major step forward and be a solid starter at the very least. Clearly that never happened.

    It just always seemed odd to me that out safeties seemed to have a lot of promise in their rookie season, and in all of the cases, their rookie season turned out to be their best season.

  88. 88 FairOaks said at 2:10 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    That may have had something to do with the extremely poor DB coaching we’ve had since then. Other than Bowles for six games before he got the entire defense thrust on him, I’m not sure we’ve had good coaching for a while. Even under Chip, they did get improvements in Nate Allen etc. from the previous coaches, but they were still the coaches jettisoned this year with Undlin getting lots of praise for being much better (reading between the lines of player comments). Bowles got similar praise in his short time here but it went to pieces as soon as he was forced to become DC in a system that wasn’t his own. It’s certainly possible that poor coaching was as much to blame for all those failed defensive drafts over the years…

  89. 89 A Roy said at 4:31 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    The first thought I have is, after a season of film, other teams see the weaknesses to be exploited. “He bites on this move.” “He cannot go left side as easily as right.”
    “Over susceptible to this play fake.” It can’t always be poor coaches.

  90. 90 A_T_G said at 6:37 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    There is a long list of corners that never developed as well. I would agree with FairOaks about coaching.

    I wonder, though, if this is normal. There are a lot more players drafted each year than players that become starters. On offense, a young guy who isn’t that good just doesn’t have the ball come his way often. On defense, though, the weakest link gets exploited. Because of this, defensive players are more of a yes or no decision. A once promising Harris, now disappointing in the deep middle is much worse for the team than a once promising, now disappointing LJ Smith at TE.

  91. 91 ian_no_2 said at 3:51 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I’d be upset if Couplin doesn’t make the team because I think he’s going to be a good starter somewhere and the Eagles need that here. Prosinski had I think the best ST tackle per game number on the team last year and he won’t kill you if you need him to fill in. I don’t think Reynolds would be that bad if you needed him to play – he wasn’t really that bad in pre-season last year but didn’t stand out, and this year he had the interceptions and then some missed tackles, but he could be a solid starter somewhere. I’d pick him over Biggers but I’d be ok putting him on the PS another year.

  92. 92 myartz04 said at 8:48 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    So I’m not going to lie…I have watched the Sam Bradford hype video several times now….the last time I watched it I noticed that both ACLS were contact injuries. I was under the impression that the narrative was that only one was contact. Watch closely…when he is running out of bounds, the defender takes kind of a cheap shot by dragging Sam down almost like a horse collar but by the shoulder….so much so that his offensive lineman went straight to the defender and had some words. Not that it matters but thought it was interesting.

  93. 93 GEAGLE said at 8:49 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Tired of everyone jumping on the bandwagon already… Joe Theisman claims No Doubt Bradfird makes All pro this year…… Why can’t we just fly under the radar in peace?

  94. 94 eagleyankfan said at 9:29 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    That list includes 1/2 the people here…just saying…

  95. 95 GEAGLE said at 10:23 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    We are eagle fans…if you post about the Eagles 365 days a year you have every right to start supporting an eagle player any time you want,,, better late then never…
    Talking about the national media that trashed and ridiculed chip after every move he made this offseason

  96. 96 Spooonius said at 4:00 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Don’t worry, they’ll go back to trashing Chip as soon as the team falters a little. No one gets through the season unscathed. We’ll be back under the radar before you know it. The national pundits want to appear correct so much that they will abandon any opinion if they think that enough people disagree. Best just to ignore them, as difficult as that is, especially when they’re praising the Eagles.

  97. 97 MattE said at 9:33 AM on September 3rd, 2015:


  98. 98 GEAGLE said at 8:53 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Bill Polian claims skins have no choice but to cut RG3 now.. If he plays and gets hurt they are on the hook for his crazy cap figure next year, Polian makes the point that you can’t keep a backüp QB who you can’t put in the game because of financial reasons… Consensus seems to be that Robert won’t see week 1 as a skin….. Oh how the over rated have fallen….lol

  99. 99 MattE said at 9:32 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Polian is a smart guy.

  100. 100 GEAGLE said at 9:33 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Yeah, I respect that man for sure…

  101. 101 RobNE said at 11:17 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    yep must only be guaranteed for injury if he is on the team.

  102. 102 Stephen E. said at 12:50 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Falls a little flat because the Rams got mediocre value out of all those picks. That trade was like Herschel-goes-to-Minnesota lite, and should have been enough to get them into the playoffs by now.

  103. 103 Spooonius said at 4:05 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    The Schadenfreude would be too much. I might die. Plus an extra bit of hilarity is that either way, both teams will probably still stink.

  104. 104 RobNE said at 10:15 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    if his salary next year is guaranteed for injury, what happens if he gets cut does that survive? say he plays for someone else and gets injured and can’t play 2016, do the Skins owe him the guaranteed amount?

  105. 105 GEAGLE said at 10:31 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Don’t know for certain, but if Polian says they have to cut him now, there has to be a benefit to it so I assume it means they aren’t on the hook if he gets hurt next year.. And if Peter King lists 6 teams that could be interested, that tells me that the team that picks him up won’t be on the hook for that clause or no one would touch him.. but I don’t know the actual rule for sure, just playing connect the dots

  106. 106 Ark87 said at 8:54 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    So I did one last look at the “teams are going to knock the crap out of Sam on handoffs because the refs said it’s ok” situation. All he has to do is take a knee right? If a potential tackler decides he’s going to ignore the ball to take a hit on the QB, he takes a knee: if he did have the ball you absolutely can’t touch him, if he doesn’t have the ball you absolutely can’t touch him, and the tackler took himself out of the play, mission accomplished, right?

  107. 107 GEAGLE said at 8:55 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    He should just sit down, fold his legs indian style TIL the play is over… Like Dhallsim….
    SAM Dhalsim Bradford, throwing hot fireballs like “Yoga Fire, Yoga fire… yoga FLAAAAAAME!!!”
    That would make Ced Thrnton “E Honda” with his violent hand placement
    Better yet. Bradford should play with a mini white flag in his pocket, as soon as he hands the ball of start waiving his mini white flag

  108. 108 eagleyankfan said at 9:33 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Flame on!

  109. 109 GEAGLE said at 9:33 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Tell me he wasn’t throwing fireballs in Greenbay…

  110. 110 GEAGLE said at 9:11 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Intesting stats on MIke and Mike..
    The 4 worst teams in time of possession were Eagles, Bucs,Jags, Titans…. Eagles won 10 games, the other 3 teams combined for a 7 and 40 something record….. They claim that if we want to not care about Time of possession, you have to be great at it like the greatest show on turf was who also didn’t have good time of possession numbers.
    Last year, Mike Vick who barely played for the jets, attempted more passes longer then 30 yards last season, then alex smith did in 16 games… Talk about the dink n dunk King…

  111. 111 eagleyankfan said at 9:31 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Agree — no to the Eagles — but don’t agree about Seattle. I don’t think that makes sense. Jets got rid of the guy dumb enough to get rg3 — which puts, the Bills on the top of the list.

  112. 112 GEAGLE said at 9:32 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Think Cardinals could be realistic with Arians falling out of love with Logan Thomas

  113. 113 RobNE said at 10:17 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    If Peter Kind found a clue it was by accident.

  114. 114 D3FB said at 11:59 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Rodger Goodell kills a puppy on national TV with his bare hands.

    “He’s a hell of a guy, real do good, stand up guy” -Peter King probably

  115. 115 Crus57 said at 1:03 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    NFL finds a way to fine him $5.
    Goodell appeals.
    NFLPA advocates he get the death penalty.

  116. 116 MattE said at 1:30 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    the puppy had rabies lol

  117. 117 GEAGLE said at 4:26 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Broken clock syndrom… But he is a step above all the media imbeciles who’s analysis is ” RG3 used to run fast, he must be a perfect fit for chip kelly”

  118. 118 peteike said at 10:46 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    whats the advantage of Seattle, I dont get that. I dont see his ego wanting to sit behind Rus unless its a one year thing.

  119. 119 Michael Winter Cho said at 11:42 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    The first and last time someone says Peter King has a clue.

  120. 120 eagleyankfan said at 9:41 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Fantasy guys — start Brees @Arizona or Bradford @Atlanta?

  121. 121 James said at 9:43 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Gotta believe the hype! Bradford all the way!

  122. 122 eagleyankfan said at 10:20 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I’m thinking — if there’s going to be 1 week to play Bradord is that it’s the 1st week. Atlanta doesn’t know what’s coming. They know what’s coming, but they don’t really know…lol

  123. 123 RobNE said at 11:17 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    if you play Brees let us all know b/c during the posting during the game we’re going to enjoy giving you sh#t as we score 50.

  124. 124 Stephen E. said at 12:53 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Hint: Atlanta’s defense is the opposite of Arizona’s.

  125. 125 GEAGLE said at 10:21 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Brady beat Goodell, judge throws out 4 game suspension… See you in appellate court.. Yawn… Never ends

  126. 126 RobNE said at 10:25 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    oh no, all I’m going to hear here in NE is how Brady is innocent when him winning at this level doesn’t mean that at all.

  127. 127 JoeBlow said at 10:25 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I’m one of the few i guess who wanted and/or thought he should be freed or ruled innocent, so i’m glad……but will the NFL definitley appeal?

  128. 128 Fufina said at 10:26 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I think owners want this to go away at this point, seems unlikely they will want the NFL to take it to another level although it will be interesting to see the exact ruling since i thought the league was on pretty solid ground this time round.

  129. 129 JoeBlow said at 10:27 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    yea i mean it was really embarrassing when it first happened but it took all summer to get squared away

  130. 130 JoeBlow said at 10:31 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    i think this is also the only time in my life i will be on tthe same side of Heath Evans and Skip Bayless at the same time

  131. 131 Avery Greene said at 10:42 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Well a broken clock is right twice a day.

  132. 132 peteike said at 10:45 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    ya its a win for all of them, they can say they tried and still have their golden boy and superbowl protected and still playing.

  133. 133 RobNE said at 10:26 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    people are actually whooping it up here at work over this. Sigh.

  134. 134 GEAGLE said at 10:27 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    At least Dallas has to face Brady, but yeah I never celebrate any type of win for the Pats

  135. 135 peteike said at 10:44 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    this is the worst, it will just make everyone hate Pats even more now. Eff them. Call me the deflator and I wont go to ESPN yet….? guilty. I dont even care about the actual deflating but gimme a break, he was gaming the system and pushing the limit. That judge is horrible. Goodell has the power afforded to him by the collective agreement. What good is that now, sets a bad precedent of more players fighting to higher courts.

  136. 136 Ark87 said at 10:51 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    what in the hell are you talking about.
    A) The boys have to deal with Brady like the rest of us in the NFC East now
    B) SOMEONE got to tell Goodell to suck it.

    This is a win

  137. 137 peteike said at 11:02 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Not even close, my disdain for the Pats going back to the superbowl is far stronger than caring about a commissioner

  138. 138 JoeBlow said at 11:07 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I’m no Pats fan, but i have great disdain for Goodell and this is a nice swift kick in the balls to a guy who oversteps his bounds on the wrong issues. This might not be over yet, but since Brady won this ruling, it’s not looking good for the NFL

  139. 139 Ark87 said at 11:10 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    it would be awesome if the NFL keeps going after it, because it would be a total waste of time and money for everyone involved. It’s too late, it won’t be overturned until the would-be suspension is over. Just a pissing match to declare who was right, everyone looking like an idiot. Again, win-win.

  140. 140 JoeBlow said at 11:21 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    i know a legal guy comments here, but the NFL should let this go. Berman ruling in Brady’s favor is a huge factor in appellate court. Berman’s decision now sets a precedent to the appellate court for Goodell to have to prove Brady knew about it but they have not really come close to doing that. NFL could try to file an injunction to stay Brady;s suspension but they have about a 1% chance of that going through

  141. 141 Ark87 said at 11:41 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Agreed, It would be a pointless and expensive waste of time for all parties. I’m all for it!

  142. 142 Ark87 said at 11:08 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I could care less about the pats. We lost that Super Bowl. We could have won, whether the Patriots did or did not cheat, the win was there for the taking. It’s over, done.

    He deflated some balls, who even cares? Does it even help? It was a win win situation. Someone was going to get f’d in that court case. Either Brady and the Patriots, or Goodell and all the teams playing the pats week 1-4, including the Cowboys. Why get bent out over it?

  143. 143 RobNE said at 11:15 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I agree. Same here.

  144. 144 GEAGLE said at 11:16 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Agreed, but I hate rivals more, so I will root for psycho Tom to hang 50 on dallas

  145. 145 peteike said at 11:28 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    My hate far over rides a regular season game also, it runs strong here. Jeanine Garapolo would have taken those chumps anyway

  146. 146 GEAGLE said at 11:09 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I don’t like that those fuckers schemed to take advantage of 60 seconds window that balls were out of referees site to doctor the balls after refs had already inspected them… On top of that tweedle D and Dumb were laughing and calling themselves the deflator making jokes about how Brady’s completion percentage would go down if they didn’t deflate them
    Such blatant cheating… Disgrace

  147. 147 phillytrue said at 10:28 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Here’s to hopin’ they keep Couplin. Seems like dude lays the wood when ever possible.

  148. 148 Tdoteaglefan said at 10:38 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Yeah I’ve been rooting for him to break out. He definitely has the size and has shown a nose for the ball in the run game. hopefully he can show some skills in pass coverage tonight and solidify his spot

  149. 149 CrackSammich said at 10:51 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Knowing full well it was probably the right legal decision…

    Fuck Tom Brady, fuck Robert Kraft, and fuck the Patriots.

  150. 150 peteike said at 11:03 AM on September 3rd, 2015:


  151. 151 Stephen E. said at 12:57 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Remember, the league says defenders can hit the QB as he hands off now. Bombs away, Tom.

  152. 152 mksp said at 10:54 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Couplin makes this team.

    There’s just too much physical talent there to cut him for a guy like Prosinski.

  153. 153 wee2424 said at 11:12 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Yeah, I’m starting to think he will. Tonight may go a long way towards that though.

  154. 154 wee2424 said at 11:10 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Really good article on Barner on 24/7 about his early life and cousins death. Find it funny how when he was young he couldn’t play RB because he couldn’t find the hole.

    Articles like these give you a whole different perspective on these players.

  155. 155 Stephen E. said at 12:59 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Trent Richardson still can’t find the hole. Of course, now he’s at home on the couch, so maybe he can find something there.

  156. 156 GEAGLE said at 11:13 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Feel bad for Boykin and that shitty steelers secondary, they are going to get embarrassed opening night in Foxborough during the hanging of championship Banner night with “Psycho Tom” being at an all time crazy level.. Pats might try to score 60 on opening night. Gronk will have like 4 TDs, it’s going to be a massacre..
    .Roger Goodell gave them so much fuel to play off of This season
    Steelers only chance is shootout, but those fools screwed their team at the worst time, Laveon Bell and Martevis getting suspended for opening night in Foxborough.. Unless Antonio and Big Ben can put up 61pts, steelers starting season 0-1
    Like to see Pats hang 50 on Dallas

  157. 157 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 11:26 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    At least he isn’t #justanickel anymore… He got what he wanted as far as I’m concerned. At least the Steelers are a decent organization.

  158. 158 Ark87 said at 12:30 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Boykin excels on teams with bad secondaries (when it comes to the CB’s actual job, covering their man, don’t allow any catches close to or past the first down marker he ranks very high at). I’d be more interested to see what happens when a QB is forced to test Boykin when he is surrounded by competence.

  159. 159 RobNE said at 11:21 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I can’t find an article on the reasoning behind the judge’s opinion, but I am skimming the opinion now so I can report to IB. Hold tight….

  160. 160 CrackSammich said at 11:39 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

  161. 161 RobNE said at 11:42 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    hey I didn’t do a bad job

  162. 162 RobNE said at 11:25 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    RobNE reporting:

    – judge said yes must give deference but I’m vacating based on:
    1. inadequate notice to Brady of potential discipline and alleged misconduct (cites things like overturn of Bountygate player by Taglibue) [this is law of the shop stuff that ACViking has repeatedly said]
    2. denial of opportunity for Brady to question one of two lead investigators (Pash) and
    3. denial of equal access to investigative files including witness interview notes.

  163. 163 GEAGLE said at 11:30 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Yeah, judge said he Goodell excersized his own brand of industrial Justice.. Basically he didn’t like that Goodell punished him, Brady had to go to Goodell, the guy that suspended him and ask for appeal (not exactly fair).. And to matters worse, when Brady went to appeal Goodell wouldn’t turn over the evidence he has against Brady, basically going against basic law principle of “discovery” you are allowed to see everything they have against you which Goodell ignored…Basically Goodell is so egregious in his punishment and due process I guess that he had no choice to over rule his dictatorship power and throw the suspension out

  164. 164 peteike said at 11:38 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    cant disagree here

    3. denial of equal access to investigative files including witness interview notes.

    Thats horrible and no reason for it. Esp when they came out publicly about him destroying his phone

  165. 165 ACViking said at 11:44 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Criminal defendants have no right to an investigative file in federal prosecutions. Need to show cause.

    Just a footnote

  166. 166 RobNE said at 11:44 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    but they do in state cases?

  167. 167 ACViking said at 11:45 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Depends on the rules of each jurisdiction

  168. 168 ACViking said at 11:45 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    And you did an excellent summary!

  169. 169 JoeBlow said at 11:30 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    NFL will appeal, but won’t seek stay on Brady suspension

  170. 170 RobNE said at 11:31 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    great when Brady retires he might lose and be suspended for games he will never play

  171. 171 JoeBlow said at 11:33 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    lol exactly, part of me thinks this was all one big hoax by the NFL and Patriots collectively to keep the NFL in the news all summer, a small part of me thinks that…wouldn’t be shocked

  172. 172 GEAGLE said at 11:34 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    No way, this is a big blow to Goodell, he loosing more powe then the attention he gained from it

  173. 173 JoeBlow said at 11:36 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    10 million dollars spent on this case lol

  174. 174 GEAGLE said at 4:22 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Something like 3mil just for that joke of an investigation, 3 mil to investigated air in a football drama? What a joke

  175. 175 GEAGLE said at 11:32 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Goodell has no choice.. At this point he is in too deep.. He was already embarrassed when Tagliabu overturned his bounty hate judgement and now judge overturned this? Goodell has no choice but to keep fighting and if he don’t win in appellate court, going to be a monster blow to Goodell and huge win for the players

  176. 176 JoeBlow said at 11:34 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    this already is a huge blow to Goodell despite what happens in appeal court, which is very likely to hand out the same result as Berman did

  177. 177 RobNE said at 11:30 AM on September 3rd, 2015:


    – no notice that you can be disciplined for being “generally aware” of other people doing things.
    – especially no notice of potential suspension as opposed to a fine

  178. 178 peteike said at 11:36 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    haha, that top one is a doozy. Of course not in a court of law, that will never hold water but it shouldnt have to in terms of suspending players in a sports league. No notice, cmon, he has to make up discipline as he goes, there will never be a perfect set of rules to fit every infraction. They are just too varied. Thats just impossible and it will never satisfy the public sentiment, its a no win for the league.

  179. 179 RobNE said at 11:38 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I’m just the reporter!!

  180. 180 D3FB said at 11:55 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Who you sleeping with though?

  181. 181 RobNE said at 12:55 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I was nowhere near the Redskins’ GM

  182. 182 ACViking said at 11:41 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    The core of the Brady case was always the “law of the shop.”

    No different for steelworkers or football players.

    If similar past behavior was never punished or punished less severely, then that’s what the CBA means.

    This never was a good case for the NFL under federal labor law.

  183. 183 peteike said at 11:48 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    right and they were never going to win in a court of law but that doesnt make setting precedent any easier. The variance to “similar” cases is all over the place, Remember this is a sports league and in my humble opinion they should operate a tad different in terms of penalizing then say steel workers. Cant wait for the public moral outrage when an awful domestic abuse case is mitigated

  184. 184 RobNE said at 11:40 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    the winner in all this is not really Brady, it’s ACViking. I predicted the judge would uphold but scold the league on its shoddy work, but ACV kept talking about the law of the shop.


  185. 185 ACViking said at 11:48 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Thanks for the kind words

  186. 186 Ark87 said at 11:56 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    You had me convinced. Seemed like a slam dunk to me, case closed, Goodell is going to have to reduce the punishment to a fine and rewrite the rule for future incidents.

  187. 187 Avery Greene said at 12:14 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Being a lawyer, you understand how all this works. You’re our resident legal adviser for IB.

  188. 188 D3FB said at 12:23 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    And historian.

    And all around good guy.

    Three cheers for ACV!

  189. 189 Greg Richards said at 12:19 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Good on you for being correct on this matter. I just couldn’t care enough to delve into detail. If you’re not a lawyer, you really have to delve into the specific laws and the text of the CBA to have a clue what you’re talking about. In the case of the lockout, I cared enough to do the research and knew from the get-go that the decision from the first judge in the union’s favor was flawed and would be overturned on appeal. She cited certain court cases but if you actually read that court case you could easily see that it wasn’t applicable. In the deflate-gate case, I really wasn’t going to take the time to do the appropriate research. Granted, that didn’t stop me from talking out of my arse at times.

    All due respect though, the real winner is of all of us who are ready for real football and are tired of hearing about this nonsense.

  190. 190 Michael Winter Cho said at 11:45 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Jeez, I would rather talk about Tebow than boring Deflategate nonsense.

    So, at this point, who’s a better QB, RGIII or IIIbow?

  191. 191 JoeBlow said at 11:54 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Greg Hardy considering an appeal of his suspension

  192. 192 SteveH said at 11:57 AM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Basically Goodell has completely neutered his own ability to regulate suspensions in the league because he decided to appoint himself supreme ruler of everything.

    I think it’s stupid that the NFL tries to govern morality, let the actual legal system handle that, but in cases of actual cheating it’s kind of comical that the NFL is no longer capable of suspending players for breaking the rules.

    Ultimately I think Goodell is going to be removed as commissioner because his policies have so catastrophically backfired.

  193. 193 peteike said at 12:02 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Agree that having him regulate as supreme decider was an awful move. However, no way should they not govern morality. You know how difficult it is to convict on a domestic abuse and rape cases. You will see guys like Hardy, Rice et al having no suspensions. Far worse then any cheating scandals or deflating nonsense. This opens the league up to all of that, get your popcorn ready. Only a matter of time

  194. 194 SteveH said at 3:35 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    The only reason the NFL attempts to govern morality is to protect its own image, it has nothing to do with seeking actual justice, and I would argue that it actually is beneficial in the long run for offenders (rape, murder, assault, etc.) because it allows them a redemption narrative. Hey I did my time, I served my suspension, I am contrite, now on with my career.

    At the end of the day, the NFL is not a criminal justice system, and they have badly mismanaged almost every opportunity they’ve had to perform like one.

    I would leave the decision whether or not to continue employing an individual who commits crimes to each team individually, and not allow the players the opportunity to claim that they’ve redeemed themselves somehow through some sort of NFL disciplinary action.

    Look at fucking Greg Hardy right now. The focus is on the NFL’s discipline of him and how many games he should be suspended, as if though that is somehow equitable to the jail time he should actually be doing. Take away that facet of situation, and suddenly it’s all on the Cowboys whether or not they should employ him.

  195. 195 FairOaks said at 4:40 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Agree but Hardy actually went through the justice system, and is done with that process, so the NFL was the only one to actually punish him (other than whatever it cost to buy off the witness, which hopefully was some pretty serious coin).

  196. 196 Ark87 said at 12:04 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    There are generally 2 ways to portray the NFL player when confronted with the passion they have for an extremely violent sport.
    A) disciplined, driven, passionate individual. Soldier-esque
    B) Violent thugs thriving in a blood-sport.

    It’s a morality call, but I totally respect the NFL trying to protect itself from the image of being seen as a haven for violent men to thrive in, who would otherwise be in jail.

    Hardy deserves every punishment he gets. Felt that way before he was a Cowboy. The Law let him off easy. Don’t see why the NFL would have to respect that.

  197. 197 Avery Greene said at 12:12 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    The reason the NFL can do that is because it’s a private enterprise.

    I hope Goodell is removed.

  198. 198 RobNE said at 2:09 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I can only imagine the severance he gets. I’m sure he will be just fine.

  199. 199 GEAGLE said at 4:21 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    LOl… That piece of shit has some Nerve

  200. 200 Greg Richards said at 12:30 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    With Goodell/the league’s track record in court, the Eagles should consider suing them to have Blandino removed and dirty hits on QBs knees after they have clearly handed off outlawed.

  201. 201 Avery Greene said at 12:33 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I don’t understand how he wasn’t removed after being on Dallas’s party bus. That’s a clear conflict of interest.

  202. 202 All Things Bad@ss said at 3:41 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    They have a giant broom and a giant rug and use both regularly.

  203. 203 Headlines: Final Auditions Tonight Vs. Jets | We Only Live Once said at 12:33 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    […] Tommy Lawlor breaks down the team’s safety depth. […]

  204. 204 Greg Richards said at 12:37 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    The Redskins and Russini both have to be mighty happy right about now that the judge’s ruling is taking the spotlight off of them.

  205. 205 RogerPodacter said at 1:17 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    DeSean Jackson's Instagram post about women knowing their place was only the third-worst thing the Redskins did on social media this week.— Mr. Irrelevant (@MrIrrelevantDC) September 3, 2015

  206. 206 MattE said at 12:37 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I wonder if DJax is the unnamed Redskin that said RG3 would be good in Philly hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  207. 207 Avery Greene said at 12:39 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    But McClellan hasn’t been fined for a gut punch.

  208. 208 Greg Richards said at 12:40 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I don’t recall Barner being called for a horsecollar penalty during the game. The Eagles didn’t have a turnover so that could only have happened on STs.

  209. 209 Avery Greene said at 12:42 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Right. So they do review the tape and see these things. Yet McClellan hasn’t been fined.

  210. 210 Greg Richards said at 12:46 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I read somewhere that the other team has to actually make a complaint for them to review the film and decide whether a player should be fined(if the play wasn’t flagged). I’d guess the Eagles didn’t bother.

  211. 211 Avery Greene said at 12:47 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    That sucks. Suggs clothesline and McClellan’s punch are two things that should have been fined.

    If CK decided not to do it, then shame on him.

  212. 212 RobNE said at 12:57 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I wonder if he thinks it’s just a distraction.

  213. 213 unhinged said at 4:24 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Say it again, bro.

  214. 214 RogerPodacter said at 1:15 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    yea, it was on STs. i think it was the last play of hte game? or maybe it was just when i turned the tv off ha

    edit: but it was a legit call and a legit penalty. those kind of things always deserve a fine IMO, so i’m not going to complain about this one.

  215. 215 RogerPodacter said at 1:22 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    wait, the Braman hit is for a hit to the QBs legs and NOT the suplex hit? (or is that the same play?)
    also – funny about hitting a QB in the legs.

  216. 216 Mitchell said at 2:31 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I thought, for a horse collar, the player had to grab the inside rim of the players pads. To me it looked like barner had all jersey around mid back.

  217. 217 PerfectTrader777 said at 12:44 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    If the safeties look bad against a young, confused Bryce Petty then we’ll know they are cut-able.

  218. 218 peteike said at 2:05 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Im much more worried about our starting DBs against Julio n co on mnf

  219. 219 GEAGLE said at 4:20 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Byron is a fiery competitor who uses his size well and plays with clean technique.. I like our secondary as long as no one gets hurt lol….. Tell Julio to BRING IT!!!

  220. 220 BobSmith77 said at 12:55 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    The only thing enjoyable about this Brady update is seeing Goddell stumble through his prepared statement like an automaton.

  221. 221 Crus57 said at 1:06 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Wonder if publicly fluffing your understanding of the rules so badly that nobody trusts your judgement anymore qualifies as “conduct detrimental to the league” when you’re the big boss..

  222. 222 BC1968 said at 1:10 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Hope Kelly doesn’t bother with this anymore with Tebow.

  223. 223 James said at 1:21 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Is anyone else hoping that Moffitt and Bunche makes it and pushes out Molk?

  224. 224 A_T_G said at 1:34 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I doubt it, although it is pretty easy to push Molk around sometimes.

  225. 225 James said at 3:15 PM on September 3rd, 2015:


  226. 226 Avery Greene said at 2:11 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Moffitt I think sticks, Bunche I think will go PS.

  227. 227 RobNE said at 2:08 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    how was this article not titled Safety Dance

  228. 228 Avery Greene said at 2:14 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Sometimes I read things at work and wonder how I’m not drinking.

  229. 229 cliff-Y U on a knee, 99?! said at 2:22 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    how great would it have been to be in the room when this guy turned to his wife/gf and said ‘you know, i dont think Rex and Jack are Rottie pups’. as 2 bears are destroying his living room.
    mean if you are so clueless not to know the difference between a bear and a dog, you probably shouldnt be in the market for a larger breed of dog to begin with.

  230. 230 Ben Hert said at 2:24 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    This is the start to a wonderful Darwin award. Let him keep them for literary’s sake

  231. 231 Michael Winter Cho said at 2:29 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Yeah, that’s BS, the guy’s just saying that to avoid being fined.

  232. 232 Bert's Bells said at 2:36 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Dogs are closest to bears on the evolutionary ladder.

  233. 233 botto said at 2:54 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I kind of get it I once had Ducks that turned out to be Eagles.

  234. 234 peteike said at 3:16 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    well done sir

  235. 235 BlindChow said at 3:59 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    He probably thought they were chows.

  236. 236 A_T_G said at 6:22 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Then he was blind.

  237. 237 peteike said at 4:45 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

  238. 238 Avery Greene said at 2:54 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Back to football. Guy on the Eagles subreddit did an analysis of superbowl teams in relation to what they pay their WR. Interesting stuff.

  239. 239 JoeBlow said at 3:21 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Would the Eagles draft another WR in next years draft? i guess it depends on how this crop of receivers shakes out and i don’t anticipate Cooper being here next year. I bring this up because Josh Doctson of TCU plays tonight and i think he would be great here. The guy explodes off the line of scrimmage, has good speed, good size 6’3″ 200lbs and is one of the best receivers in contested catches and is impressive in the YAC category

    If anyone gets bored of the late action in a 4th preseason game of Eagles football, ESPN is showing the game live at 9 P.M.. In the same game Minnesota has two Corners im interested in seeing again. Eric Murray and Briean Boddy-Calhoun. Both have decent size and play a lot of press coverage, physical corners, good against the run too…..just something to maybe check out

  240. 240 Fufina said at 3:34 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I think that Chip’s drafting philosophy will be to take the best players for him. So needs to be a 100% football guy, needs to be the right hight/weight/speed for his role. If those things match and he makes plays then i think the Eagles will take the best player they have on their board at the time.

    Next years draft will be interesting as there is a chance that the 3 biggest needs on the team will all be on the offensive line and we already have big money invested there already so solving the RG, future Tackle and depth Centre is going to be tough to do just via free agency. So we may be forced to try and reach a little for a Oline early.

  241. 241 JoeBlow said at 3:44 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    agreed with both you and Bert. As interesting as this season is going to be, next off-season is shaping up to be highly interesting as well. Hope you will excuse the fact i get just as anxious for the off-season as i do the regular season

  242. 242 Media Mike said at 4:09 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I’d like to add that I hope Chip learns how to play poker better with trading down to get the guys he wants rather than reaching for them when he feels like he wants them.

  243. 243 Fufina said at 4:19 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I think Chip is not a guy who will focus on abstract value. If he is the best player on the board go get him. If there is no one you love at that spot trade down. If there is 1 guy left of a tier of prospects you really like and it is a need position trade up and draft him.

    I think we are going to get 1-2 ‘reach’ picks each year because our draft board is a lot smaller and a lot more specific than most other NFL teams.

  244. 244 Media Mike said at 4:21 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I hear what you’re saying, but I like when the guy running my team’s draft has a strong ability to read the pulse of all 31 other teams and get the same guy he wanted by trading down.

  245. 245 Fufina said at 4:35 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Chip is a pretty straight forward thinker, if he and the Eagles rate a player highly then another team could like him just as much, and especially outside the 1st round any of the 31 other teams can move up and snag a guy you rate.

    Think this is an area that he would have butted heads with Howie over. Howie wants to get value because that is his background – He thinks that if you accrue enough value then that will add up to a competitive advantage.

    Chip wants the best players for the Eagles, Taking Taylor Hart a round ‘early’ is worth the opportunity cost of potentially loosing out on him. Get enough good players for you and you have a competitive advantage.

    I think it is funny that people think that M Smith was a Howie pick – when really if you look at how Howie has worked the draft he would be trading back further at that point trying to find more value. Chip looked at the board and said he is the best player on the board at a position of long term need take him now.

  246. 246 Media Mike said at 4:38 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    The only way anybody would consider Smith a “Howie pick” is if they believe what Chip said about that pick…………after Howie was banished.

    I just cannot believe a team can build a roster through repetitive reaches rather than prudent trade downs.

    I’m hoping Chip learns this soon.

  247. 247 Fufina said at 5:12 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Well Chip has a lot to prove about being a prudent long term GM. People think that GM’s are the guys picking the players – they are not, they are in charge of assembling a scouting staff and setting up a programme to process all that information to make the best choices possible. Often there is a 1-2 year lag with this process since hires/fires of scouts are out of sink with GM hires/fires and it will take a while to change and implement new internal processes.

    Howie’s results have been great in 2012-2015, from a draft perspective – 2012 was a great draft class for the Eagles (even if Foles/Boykin are not on the roster anymore). 2013 had 3 rock solid quality starters. 2014 has almost every pick still on the team 2 years later (which means you hit a lot of depth + a superstar in Matthews). 2015 looks like a good top 2 picks (too early to judge the rest).

    Compare those to the drafts 2004-2011 for the Eagles or some of the other drafts teams made in the same years. If we go to the superbowl this year it will be because of the players Howie’s system found in 2012-2015.

  248. 248 Media Mike said at 5:36 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I agree completely.

  249. 249 Bert's Bells said at 3:35 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Impossible to say now, obviously. I’m guessing they’re hoping to be set with Matthews, Huff & Agholor for the next few years. After that they’ll put in a depth veteran/special teams guy or two (like Arijtutu [eff my spelling] and Austin) and some back of the draft UDFA types.

  250. 250 GEAGLE said at 3:48 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    They could, but I doubt it would be in the first 3 rounds,,
    I’m hoping by next year the coaches are comfortable enough with Pope Jordan and Huff being the veterans in the WR room, allowing us to go younger with Coop and Miles Austins roster spots.. Maybe give Coops spot to a 4th or 5th round pick and bring Sheed Bailey off our practice squad to replace Austin next year…
    It’s going to depend on if the coaches think jordan, Huff and nelson still need a veteran presence in the WR room next year, or if they think Jordan and Huff can be the veteran WRs going into year 3…

  251. 251 JoeBlow said at 3:50 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    aside from the obvious hole at O-line, what positions do you think they will target? i realize it’s ridiculously early to be asking this?

  252. 252 jpate said at 4:03 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    OLB & Safety

  253. 253 GEAGLE said at 4:04 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Not so sure about that,… By the end of this year, we could prove to be even deeper at OLB then we were last year depending on how Marcus and Curry grow into OLB role over the course of the season

  254. 254 GEAGLE said at 4:04 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Next years draft? Who knows,…
    There is a high Charecter, quality 3-4 DE from Oregon named Defforest Buckner who should be available in the 20’s.. If we decide that we can’t pay Thornton because Logan and Cox will cost good money, I could see us drafting Buckner with our late round 1 pick…
    my biggest concern is probably backüp Center, since KELCE has missed time the last few years…. I think Jason Peters is going to be a freak of nature and play at a high level for another 3 years or so, so I think Guard and backüp Center are bigger needs next offseason then Tackle.
    People worry about OLB depth, but with VINNY Curry growing at OLB as this year unfolds and Marcus smith continuing to develope, what looks like a position we lack depth, could prove to be deeper then we thought by the end of this year… Plus there is probably a shot Chip gives Dion Jordan a camp invite to try and save his career. If he even wants to try and come back from the drug suspension…worrying about OLB is a little over rated when we play so many 4 man lines on 3rd down and Curry can easily play 4-3 DE which is what our OLBs become when we go to our 4 man lines,,
    If our team stays healthier then most, we should be in a real good position to stick to drafting Best players available..
    Figure we definitely address the interior of the OL
    Another Safety there is a star safety in college named Jaylen Ramsey, but we Prob won’t draft high enough to get him
    Maybe another corner, but that shouldn’t be a pressing need if RoWE develops like he should..
    I don’t see any way both Coop and Miles Austin will be back next year, at least 1 if not both will be cut, which could free up room for another WR.
    We are pretty deep at most positions, I think next March we will be quiet in free agency and just focus on extending our young players, and look to bolster our depth in the draft.. we are getting close to having a roster in place that wiould allow us to stick to a strict best player available these next two years…

  255. 255 Fufina said at 4:16 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I don’t think they are super serious of moving Vinny to OLB. They have not got him to loose weight nor is he a natural mover in space. His pass rush comes when he gets in close and dirty with OL, and getting him in 2-3 steps of space i dont see being a huge advantage for him. He has been working out with the DL not the LB’s doing the individual work outs.

    We lack pass rushing depth this year at OLB if Smith cannot contribute so it makes sense to get him some work in camp so he can cover on game day.

    Vinny has a really important a valuable role on the roster as a 3rd down sub package rusher and that is a pretty unique skill set that no one else has on the Eagles. I think they try to keep him as long as his price stays in the Graham price range but he could get PAID in a crazy year of FA ($1bil of cap space in 2016)

  256. 256 Fufina said at 4:10 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Assuming Bradford works out and is retained (which is a big assumption) i think the Eagles will be looking for the following in 2016 from FA/Draft.

    RT of future
    C depth
    Sproles replacement
    WR4 with upside
    Safety (could retain Thurmond if he works out)
    OLB with natural pass rushing skill set.
    QB3 with upside of being a no.2
    Further depth on DL
    Vinny Curry type player (can keep Vinny ofc)

    Now lots of those things can be found late in the draft since it is mainly depth.

    Think we will go OL/OLB as the priority early in the draft since everything else can be found ‘cheap’ in FA or in mid to late rounds.

  257. 257 unhinged said at 4:46 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    OD pointed this out, and it may be obvious, but it bears keeping in mind: QB’s are a dime a dozen, and franchise QB’s are rare as hen’s teeth. Someone as meticulous and driven to win as CK has got to be constantly combing the planet for Sam’s eventual successor. I never read what Kelly thinks of Teddy B., but it would not surprise me if he’d take him in a do-over.

  258. 258 Insomniac said at 4:16 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    It’s very possible. Chip doesn’t seem like the guy who pays for WRs when they want to cash in.

  259. 259 FairOaks said at 4:35 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    He offered a pretty hefty contract to Maclin (just that Maclin also had a second similar offer closer to home which he accepted). It all depends on who the receiver is, and how well he fits.

    That said we are probably going to be looking to replace Cooper and Miles next year, so there is definite room for a WR. I doubt we will pick one in the first or second rounds though, unless the value can’t be ignored.

  260. 260 Insomniac said at 4:59 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    We were low-balling Maclin before that though.

  261. 261 Media Mike said at 5:02 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I’m glad we were. If they didn’t want to pay Jackson, I certainly didn’t want them to pay Maclin.

  262. 262 Insomniac said at 5:05 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    We shelled out for Cooper though. Disgusting.

  263. 263 Media Mike said at 5:08 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Agreed. I’m in favor of correct that mistake ASAP.

  264. 264 Fufina said at 5:23 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    We signed Cooper to a 2 year 9mil deal with 3 further years at 4.5mil per. While that contract so far has not worked out for the eagles considering his 2014 production it was a team friendly deal considering what other WR’s have been paid for similar production. Player on a comparable contract are Kenny Brit, Doug Baldwin, Danny Amendola, Andre Roberts and Harry Douglas.

    That is hardly a murders row of WR’s. With the rookie scale forcing down rookie money 2nd tier guys get paid in the NFL these days. Considering the fact that we must have already been planning to get rid of Desean, had not drafted matthews yet nor knew how Maclin would recover from ACL it was a needed signing for depth.

    While Riley will be gone in 2016 the signing made sense at the time and was not a significant overpay. Just has not worked out so far.

  265. 265 Insomniac said at 5:27 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    All of those guys are better than Cooper though..

  266. 266 Media Mike said at 4:04 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Ha ha ha ha. Half of the football team at Rutgers was just arrested for home invasion robberies, etc. They even allegedly broke one victim’s jaw.

    So these charges must be false because I can’t imagine any stiff playing for the same school that subjected us to LJ Smith actually has somebody strong enough to break somebody’s jaw.

  267. 267 TypicalDouche said at 4:30 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Ray Rice would say otherwise.

  268. 268 RogerPodacter said at 4:32 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    so youre saying that the players should all marry the person whose jaw was broken to avoid punishment? i think you are on to something here…

  269. 269 TypicalDouche said at 4:55 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    You got it Rog.

  270. 270 Media Mike said at 4:32 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    That has nothing to do with Philadelphia.


  271. 271 peteike said at 4:49 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I dont get it, did he sleep with your girl? He caught some TDs if I recall, never really loved or hated the guy. Maybe didnt reach his potential or am I forgetting something

  272. 272 Media Mike said at 4:50 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Drops and fumbles aplenty.

    And we took him rather than Jason Witten.

  273. 273 TypicalDouche said at 4:51 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    So because the Eagles made the mistake of taking Smith over Witten its Rutgers fault? I went to Rutgers and there is nothing wrong with the school itself so no need to say “fuck rutgers”. Of course you have your wannabe gangsters but every school has that.

  274. 274 Media Mike said at 4:53 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    LJ Smith over Witten is like HIV; it never goes away.

    And I’ll rephrase, because Rutgers is a good school.


    The wannabe gangster behavior was just a vehicle for me to blast LJ Smith.

    “Rutgers develops self-sustaining solar energy and battery grid” would also be met with some type of anti LJ Smith comment.

  275. 275 TypicalDouche said at 4:55 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    haha Agree brother.

  276. 276 Ryan Rambo said at 4:14 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Why are all the experts picking the Eagles to win the East?

  277. 277 botto said at 4:19 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    wow, what geniuses

  278. 278 TypicalDouche said at 4:25 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    The comment I like most is “Because they think murray was the reason we went 12-4 instead of 8-8…Now the Eagles have him
    Yep. Let them foam at the mouth. They’ll soon learn what was the real reason for last year’s success” but no reason given to why they were successful. lol Funny people those cowturd fans are

  279. 279 Avery Greene said at 4:49 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    They think they have the best OL ever, so that they can stick anyone back there and they will be just as successful.

  280. 280 TypicalDouche said at 4:55 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Of yea thats right the greatest o-line ever that even Joseph Randle could run behind….oh wait arent the cowboys worried Randle cant handle the load or did i read that incorrectly recently.

  281. 281 Media Mike said at 4:55 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    You certainly did not. They’re moving their already cracked eggs into McFadden’s basket.

  282. 282 TypicalDouche said at 4:56 PM on September 3rd, 2015:


  283. 283 Avery Greene said at 4:56 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Now they are talking RBBC. LOL. Won’t be as dominant as ours.

  284. 284 TypicalDouche said at 4:58 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Their RBBC wont even be as good as Ryan Mathews in a limited role.

  285. 285 Insomniac said at 5:00 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    running behind bloated cowgirls?

  286. 286 Media Mike said at 5:01 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Yeah, great group of backs.

  287. 287 Ryan Rambo said at 6:25 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    And McFadden will certainly at some point “crack”

  288. 288 GEAGLE said at 4:15 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    jordan Mathews works out with great NFL WR’s and top trainers every offseason, no reason to ever question his work ethic… But 1 person I would Love to see Jordan reach out to?….. Terrell Owens!!!! For starter Pope is a classy, selfless kid so TO’s selfishness and crap won’t rub off on Jordan… But I’d like to see Jordan spend a week or two with TO,.. pope Jordan has no problem putting in the work, dedicating himself to his craft, and TOs work ethic and training habits is one thing that can never be questioned… Be great for Jordan to see what TO level commitment to wide Reciever greatness consists of…. As the kids matures and develops his bpdy, Id like to see him become a WR bully in the middle of the field the way TO was when he would stiff arm defenders while running after the catch on all those crossing routes…
    I have a huge man crush on Deandre Hopkins from the Texans, love to see Agholor’s early career trajectory look similar to hopkins who should really have a break tnru year this year
    I want to see Huff who is pretty rocked up, to start playing with Fire and Toughness a la steve smith…

  289. 289 FairOaks said at 4:32 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    What can he get from Terrell Owens that he can’t get from Jerry Rice? The physicality part?

  290. 290 GEAGLE said at 4:47 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    so why,does Jordan spend his summers working out with groups of elite WRs like AJ Green? Why bother training with a bunch of different WRs and trainers/Coacbes each summer?… Because everything that works for one great WR won’t translate to every other Great WR… Which is why it’s best to learn from as many great Wra and Coaches as possible so you can add what works for you, and throw out what doesn’t,,,
    im not sure that Jordan is close to Jerry Rice.. I have heard him talk about how he DOESNT want to be THAT guy that’s bothers Jerry and how he was carving his own path… I’m not sure they are as close as we think a WR would be to his hall of fame WR uncle..
    TO worked the middle of the field as well as any WR. He was a YAC beast on all those crossing routes, he also knows a thing or two about body longevity.. For all his faults, I’d bet TO would have loved Chips sports Sciemce deprtment….

    Guess I’m lucky our players aren’t as closed minded.. I’m sure you heard about the “Growh mindset > Fixed mindset”.. Hope to see Jordan learn tricks of the trade from as many GREAT WRs as he can

  291. 291 peteike said at 4:50 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    we have to assume here that TO is into training NFL players. Im not seeing that growth mindset out of him, his late career was kind of the opposite

  292. 292 Insomniac said at 5:04 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Dude is dead broke. He should be looking for that opportunity.

  293. 293 GEAGLE said at 5:04 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Tony Gonzales doesn’t train NFL players, didn’t stop him from working with ERTZ when zack cold called him.

  294. 294 peteike said at 5:19 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    true, good call, TO was a beast in his prime and no doubt about his work ethic. Hes probably Dez’ (or would that be Dezs’) idol on the tantrum fronts

  295. 295 Bert's Bells said at 4:34 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    This is like NFL fanfic.

  296. 296 bsuperfi said at 4:52 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I hear Matthews sparkles in sunlight.

  297. 297 HawaiianEagle said at 5:21 PM on September 3rd, 2015:


    Been offered Agholor and DeMarco for Antonio Brown and Melvin Gordon and im considering it!!!

  298. 298 peteike said at 5:22 PM on September 3rd, 2015:


  299. 299 Tdoteaglefan said at 5:22 PM on September 3rd, 2015:


  300. 300 RobNE said at 5:24 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    yes accumulate all the Eagles.

  301. 301 Ark87 said at 5:24 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Antonio Brown alone might be worth as much as Agholor and Murray since the number of snaps each gets is still in question.

  302. 302 GEAGLE said at 5:24 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I’d do it… ANTONIO and Big Ben are going to have a monster year.. Lose demarco, pick up Mathews or Sproles if you can,,, maybe stick Polk on the end of your bench (his time will come in Houston (especially in dynasty leagues)..

  303. 303 Avery Greene said at 5:26 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I’d have to agree. Agholor might not get the stats of AB this year, and Murray I’m expecting to be good – but Mathews is going to take some of those carries.

  304. 304 GEAGLE said at 5:30 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Yeah, Murray will have his numbers, but our backs will cut into them.. Even if MELVIN Gordon is sharing snaps Early in the season, as the season goes on he should start dominating snaps more and more..
    ANTONIO is going to have a MONSTER week 1 @ Foxborough, Brady will be all jacked up, putting up a ton of points on steelers crap offense, Big Ben and ANTONIO have to carry the steelers and try to keep up with the points Brady puts up, especially with Laveon and Martevis suspended early on..Big Ben Should pass at least 40 times trying to keep up with how many points Brady and Gronk put up on steelers defense..

  305. 305 peteike said at 5:39 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    some are saying Antonio can be the number 1 pick in a lot of leagues. And yeah, Gordon has more upside than Agholar in ffl per being a starting RB

  306. 306 peteike said at 5:30 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    think you guys have that switched around unless Im reading it wrong. He would be giving up Antonio/Gordon

  307. 307 Avery Greene said at 5:57 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    You’re right, I’m way off.

  308. 308 botto said at 5:31 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    philly-pitt superbowl coming

  309. 309 Fufina said at 5:25 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    What you got at WR and RB otherwise? and what type of league?

  310. 310 anon said at 5:38 PM on September 3rd, 2015:


  311. 311 HawaiianEagle said at 5:35 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    If iaccept ill have Sam B, sproles, ryan mathews, demarco, agholor, ertz, parkey, Cox, Kendricks and sanchez. 🙂 Tank week 8 but hopefully dominate. 12 teams IDP. HOMER!!!!!!

  312. 312 anon said at 5:37 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    wow, i have a team w/ Sammy B, Sproles, JMatt, Philly D and Ertz (also have witten) and I thought i was a homer.

  313. 313 peteike said at 5:41 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Im hoping to get SB and JMatt for sure, maybe Ertz and definitely Philly D. Great minds think alike. I doubt Ill come away with that though since my league has a handful of Philly fans, one notoriously takes Eagles players way too early.

  314. 314 Fufina said at 5:44 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Ryan Mathews and Bradford are my 2 tartgets, can get them late and i think they will be top 60 point scorers. If Murray falls to the 2nd round i will take him and same with Jmatt in the 3rd – but in my mocks people have been taking both really high.

    I think Murray is going to have some TD’s ‘stolen’ by Mathews. Eagles drive down the field – Murray has 4-5 carries and is gassed as they get into the final 3rd of the field and Mathews comes in and finishes the drive.

  315. 315 peteike said at 5:48 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    ya no way they last that long. Oh yeah, totally want Ryan M if I can snag him in the right round. Great insurance if Murray gets dinged up during season (fingers crossed that doesnt happen). Also ya he may just steal TDs from Murray which makes me iffy on Demarco in some of my mocks when hes top rated guy, I hesitate. Ill prob pull the trigger though if hes top guy on board and I need a RB.

  316. 316 anon said at 5:49 PM on September 3rd, 2015:


  317. 317 HawaiianEagle said at 5:51 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Ok rejected…have ryan and sam im ok with that

  318. 318 HawaiianEagle said at 5:42 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Well i also have Bennett and Jeremy hill, Maclin and edie royal

  319. 319 Fufina said at 5:41 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    if you want to for a joke sure… but is not the best move if you want to win your league, since there will be the odd team that slows the eagles down, and every time that happens you will loose that week. (and what happens when we rest our starters in weeks 16 and 17 and you are in the playoffs!)

  320. 320 Fufina said at 5:39 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Have people seen this from Benoit? Is he on the cowgirls payroll or something?

    The Cowboys could be decent on 3rd and long situations – but they have no way to force that to happen against any team able to run the ball well, they have an abortion of a secondary that should further limit their ability to get into money down situations.

    The idea that Murray could have had a 2500 yard season last year behind that line is insane. He is not a great RB in space and i see how he did not turn some 20 yarders in 50 yarders. But what he did do was turn 2 yards into 5, which is actually far more important since it happened far more consistently and gave them the opportunity to run as much as they did.

    Now i can see how ‘dem boyz’ can be decent this year – they will have a decent pass rush and decent LB play, a good Oline, good QB and good WR corp. If they stay injury free they can be a playoff team, but not a great one and not a superbowl team.

  321. 321 peteike said at 5:44 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Exactly my thoughts on money downs. Losing Demarco hurts that big time but the line maybe assists that. Too many 3rd and longs for any team is bad even if they convert more often. I do think Romo is decent and they will put up some points and at least be in games. I dont see a total collapse but I can see some challenges if they dont finish teams. Unfortunately for us I think they have drafted well last few years.

  322. 322 Media Mike said at 5:47 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Benoit is a dope.

  323. 323 RobNE said at 5:51 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Gregory and Jones are rookies. If you are relying on rookies you are likely in trouble.

    Also, any article that says how the defense improved last year that doesn’t include the caveat re: they finally ran the ball lots, and kept the D off the field is suspect.

    finally, it’s easy to say any RB was not optimal. No RB is. But saying 20 yard runs could have been 50 is assuming the speedster that could do that could break the tackles and arm grabs needed to get the first 20. You can’t just project the next 30 yards by inserting someone else at that point.

    the big problem Dallas has is if their running game is not as good, and every indication is that it will not be, then their defense is going to be on the field lots more and potentially (and likely) exposed as not really having improved a lot. Even with Hardy. And the article doesn’t even mention this.

  324. 324 RobNE said at 5:52 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    also if McFadden is so great, he would have been running for 2,500 yards last year. But he was on the bench. If you had invented Facebook, then you would have invented Facebook.

  325. 325 Ark87 said at 5:47 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I’m pretty intrigued by Andre Johnson at Indy. The poor dude is a hall of famer and this is a list of the people throwing him the ball (stats just the passes thrown at him). The physical decline is obvious, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he has 1 or 2 monster seasons left in him with a real QB. I think Luck may have been prematurely crowned, but he hasn’t done too much to contradict the hype either. I wonder if this is the year they become the perennial Juggernaut like the Manning days. F Indy, F Green Bay, Each have generational talents at QB back to back.

  326. 326 anon said at 5:50 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    think he’s going to bring a lot of value for TY hilton, they also have frank gore

  327. 327 peteike said at 5:52 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Im picking Gore in a lot of mocks, I find myself reaching for him a bit though. Its funny after like the first 5 rbs, you hit Morris and Ingram and down and they are all kinda meh

  328. 328 anon said at 5:55 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    in my auction Morris and Martin were some of the last guys picked. I spent over half my budget on Lacy and Jamaal Charles.

  329. 329 Ark87 said at 5:58 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    He may, 2 situations I just am a bit scared of to pick a running back though:
    Indy and San Diego. Both had dominant air attacks, and couldn’t get a thing going on the ground. Even if you don’t have talent at RB, teams like that are supposed to have ridiculously inflated run DVOA. And both of them were just dreadful. Don’t know if it’s scheme or O-line, but it can’t just be the talent at RB in my mind.

  330. 330 Media Mike said at 5:56 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I forgot about the Big Ragu.

  331. 331 BobSmith77 said at 6:18 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Always thought Sage Rosenthals was a porn star name and not an NFL QB

  332. 332 Media Mike said at 6:07 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    TJ Ward finally suspend one game for this;

  333. 333 Nailed it! said at 6:07 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Yo! There is honest to god real football on the TV!!

  334. 334 Media Mike said at 6:08 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    West Chester is on ESPN 3!

  335. 335 BobSmith77 said at 6:16 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    You mean on ESPN Ocho right?

  336. 336 BobSmith77 said at 6:19 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    ESPN 2 has been running competitive arm wrestling the past month.

  337. 337 GEAGLE said at 6:12 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    ” I really think we have a chance to be Great. Just because some of the stuff that we been doing since April, chip has done a really great job of having offensive guys interacting with defensive guys, Offensive Lineman interacting with DBs, DBs interacting with QBs, WR interacting with Linebackers, chip has meshed everyone together and guys you WOULDNT normally talk to on a team, you talk to and you find information out about them that you normally wouldn’t know unless you really went out of your way to get to know a guy, so knowing each other makes you care more about your brothers, makes you care about them on the field more and want to go 100% for each other and it shows up on the field, guys are all supporting each other out there, older players all supporting the younger guys when it’s their turn to take snaps so it’s a brotherhood, it’s a family, what we have been doing for so long, the culture, the togetherness, the bonding, think it’s going to be a special team”-Nolan Carroll

    Sounds pretty corny doesn’t it? But it’s amazing just how segregated most teams are..not just seperated by offense and defense, but also by position groups… First thing chip did was move everyone locker around when he got here so guys were forced to get to know each other instead of spending all your time in the locker room with the guys at your position who you are in meetings with every day…. There have been plenty of teams that were extremely segregated in terms of offense vs. defense.. Heck see Buddy Ryan…
    A lot of talk about this ISNT College, can chip deal with grown men… 3 years into building this program, it’s amazing the culture he has already built. We have a ton of Talent on this roster. Veteran studs who been in the NFL for a long time, and he has managed to really build a close knit team To the point were its now pretty common to see an Elite Left Tackle like Jason Peters working with a young OLB like Marcus smith giving him the Tackles point of view.. You see Veteran cornerbacks like Byron Maxwell helping to groom our young WR’s Jordan, Huff, Nelson.., veteran WRs working with the corners..
    this is really the ultimate team game, And chip seems to really have United this team as much as it’s ever been..
    Amazing how we are just going into year 3 of trying to build this program and chip already seems to have:
    1) Managed to unite this Lockeroom building a really close knit team with selfless young talent like Cox, Jordan, KELCE
    2) Seems to have us towards the top of the NFL in terms of healthiest roster since arriving.
    3) Has our team in as good of shape as anyone..
    4) Put a system in place to where our backups are getting more reps, more hands on training then every other team. Great way to build depth and develope your young players without having to put them in the starting lineup before they earn it..
    5) Built a roster with quality men of Charecter that should be towards the very bottom of the NFL in terms of suspensions due to drug tests and arrests which is a huge advantage compared to how many teams lose key players to month long suspensions, on top of players missing time to injuries.
    6) going into year 3, this coach already managed to build us the greatest St in the League, Chip brought in Parkey, Donnie and Sproles himself, these weren’t inherited ST studs.. Brought in BRAMAN, Maragos, Prosinski, Tutu who would be ST aces on other teams..
    7) going into year 3, if we don’t have ALL the pieces to a ELITE defense, we are certainly really close and whenever we officially arrive as a legit top defense worthy of this city’s rich defensive tradition, im sure it will be made up of 98% of defenders who are already currently in place..
    8) he has already built offensive expectations to where if we score under 30, it was a bad game..
    9) chip delivered a major infusion of talented youth.. In a short period of time he has put together a core of some of the best young players who all come with high charchter and work ethic.. I’D bet that at the end PF this season, we will have a lot of the best players under the age of 26 in the league..a very talented core of young talent with a “growth” and “Team first” mindset and a hungry work ethic who can all grow up together. To be great, you have to have 4-5 quality drafts in a row. After some really poor drafts from Read, Im so thankful for a lot of the young players chip brought to Philly: Lane, Logan, ERTZ, Burton, Jordan, Huff, Kiko, Hart, Beau, Hicks, ROWE, Agholor, JaCorey, Parkey to add to Cox,KELCE,KEndricks,Curry, BG. We really have a talented core of high checter puppies who can grow up together and make us formidable for years to come.
    10) Most Important, Chip may have gotten us not only a top 3 backüp QB, but also got us that ever elusive potential Franchise QB, one of the 10-15 QBs talented enough to be able to win a Super Bowl… In terms of pure Talent, Ability, Brains, there aren’t many young QBs who have more talent and ability then our starting QB.. Andrew Luck.. Maybe Russell Wilson although I don’t know that Russell is as Talemted of a passer.. What other young QB has more talent then Dhalsim Bradford? Hopefully we have the OL in place that can keep this kid in the game which is the ONLY thing stopping us from having a true franchise QB..

    for our unexperienced College coach to be going into his 3rd season and already brought so much positive change, and a quality foundation in place to build around is really amazing. He wasn’t joking when he talked about building a program, not just a team, but I appreciate how he kept us competitive each year even tho we were only in year one or two in the building…

  338. 338 Fufina said at 6:48 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Love the Nolan comment but wow GEAGLE this is war and peace even for you! can i suggest you limit yourself to about 5 paragraphs and spread your points over 2-3 posts! too many people will go TLDR otherwise.

  339. 339 Greg Richards said at 6:23 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Josh Paunil

    2m2 minutes ago

    Josh Paunil retweeted Matt Lombardo

    By doing this you can compare them using similar personnel.

    Josh Paunil added,

    Matt Lombardo

    Interesting. @KimJonesSports reports that Matt Barkley and Tim Tebow will alternate quarters. That seems odd to me. #Eagles #SportsScience

  340. 340 Media Mike said at 6:28 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    This is great. So I only have to boo Tebow for a quarter at a time instead of a continuous boo for the entire half.

  341. 341 A_T_G said at 6:29 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    That should allow you to keep drinking.

  342. 342 Media Mike said at 6:31 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    More like eating, but I get your point. I actually rarely drink during games because I don’t need to double down my rage with booze.

    Love to kill those beers post-game however.

  343. 343 A_T_G said at 6:37 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Often I mindlessly snack, but I never can stay focused enough on drinking to make it worth the effort. Lately, though, I spend every moment between plays trying to read and comment here. Chip has really forced me to tighten up my comment crafting.

  344. 344 Ark87 said at 6:44 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    My viewing is often about on a 15 second delay, which basically makes me a play behind at all times. Brutalizes my commenting.

  345. 345 anon said at 6:38 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Josh Paunil has really stepped up since SK has moved on.

  346. 346 Ark87 said at 6:29 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Is it just me or is the an inverse correlation between excitement for a season and interest in preseason game 4?

    Most years I’m a bit too into pre-season game 4. This year I kind of don’t feel like watching. Maybe it’s that I just haven’t see much promise in the bottom of the roster outside of the RB position (even there I can’t help but be a little skeptical since Chip knows a thing or two about running the ball).

    Anybody pumped at all? Maybe I just need to feed off of someone else’s enthusiasm.

  347. 347 anon said at 6:37 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    no one wants to see matty b or tebow play for 3 hours, but i’ll watch. Plus they’re playing the jets which is going to make it extra ugly, i don’t think either QB can move the ball against an organized defense, and i don’t want to really watch the jets. Plus they play again in 3 weeks so it’s going to be super extra vanilla.

  348. 348 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 6:39 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I just want to see Petty and maybe Mostert break a long run

  349. 349 Ark87 said at 6:42 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    yikes, totally forgot we’d see these jokers in the regular season. Uuhhhg. We might even huddle a bunch for this one lol

  350. 350 A_T_G said at 6:42 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    We are only promised 20 games a year. Two months ago you would have volunteered to brush Geno’s jaw wires if it meant getting to see the Eagles play.

  351. 351 Ark87 said at 6:46 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Maybe there will be a pleasant surprise for me to get excited about right before he gets cut?

  352. 352 Greg Richards said at 7:00 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I know he hasn’t played all preseason, but I’d still be leery of playing Alonso in this meaningless game.

  353. 353 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 7:02 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I really wish he and Huff wouldn’t play

  354. 354 Media Mike said at 7:05 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I would normally agree, but because he hasn’t played a real snap since December of 2013; he needs a little run.

  355. 355 botto said at 7:04 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    is this tebow’s last game as a pro?

  356. 356 Media Mike said at 7:05 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    From your lips to God’s ears.

  357. 357 botto said at 7:19 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    he aint listening to me

  358. 358 botto said at 7:10 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    I love Huff, but
    why when we try to get him the ball is there a turnover every time?

  359. 359 GENETiC-FREAK said at 7:11 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Man thats a TD if he threw to Huff n not INT

  360. 360 botto said at 7:19 PM on September 3rd, 2015:


  361. 361 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 7:31 AM on September 4th, 2015:

    I hope you aren’t putting that INT on Huff…

  362. 362 anon said at 7:25 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    mostert is a straight BEAST

  363. 363 anon said at 7:27 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    that was the most velocity i’ve seen Matty B throw the ball with. Hopefully we go for it.

  364. 364 GEAGLE said at 8:03 PM on September 3rd, 2015:

    Attaboy Jaylen.. Show your talent boy!!!, with that said, I like seeing my boy make plays but I totally disagree with Mayock, Jaylen ISNT fightng for a roster spot. He is makng this team with or without the INT. No way we give up on smart talented kid before year 2,’absurd to THINK jaylen migjt not make team, GTFO here…but, I like,seeing him make plays because he is fighting for that nickel spot. My man is competing for playing time, not to make the roster. Get real Mayock