Sloppy Sammy
Posted: September 30th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 454 Comments »Sam Bradford is a work in progress, to put it mildly. He is 23rd in the league in passing yards. He is 29th in QB rating. Beyond numbers, he simply isn’t passing the eye test. Something just doesn’t look right.
I think it is too early to come to any real conclusions on Bradford. While he isn’t playing well right now, there have been enough positives to make you think he can still play at a high level. In the 2nd half of the opener, Bradford moved the team up and down the field. The TD pass to Ryan Mathews on Sunday was a good throw. The incompletion to Darren Sproles that might have been a TD was just about perfect. Great throw. There was a nice play where Bradford rolled right and hit Zach Ertz on a crossing route.
These aren’t lucky plays. Those are legitimately outstanding moments in a game. The throws are accurate. Some have good velocity, while others have good touch.
The problem is that there are too many bad plays. Bradford makes the wrong read. Sometimes he’ll make the right read, but get off a poor throw. He hasn’t shown great pocket presence. With the Rams, Bradford had to deal with a lot of pressure. The Eagles O-line has given him good protection most of the time, but Bradford doesn’t always look comfortable, even with a clean pocket.
One thing that sticks out to me is that Bradford doesn’t always throw the ball with conviction. You want a QB to plant his foot and throw the ball. Sometimes Bradford does that and it can look really good. There are other plays where it almost feels like he’s just trying to get rid of the ball.
I do think circumstances have played a part in Bradford’s struggles. The run game was non-existent in the first two weeks. No QB is going to thrive without that. Bradford has been hurt by drops. He’s lost 100-150 yards (maybe more) on costly drops. And several drops came on 3rd downs. They would have extended drives.
The Eagles have not had good field position on a regular basis. There were three drives on Sunday that started at or inside the Eagles 10-yard line. The Jets didn’t have any drives start that far back. When you are that backed up, it affects how you play.
Les Bowen made a great point on Twitter recently.
Excellent throw under pressure by Bradford there. As unexciting as he has been, nobody ever makes a play for him. Ever.
— Les Bowen (@LesBowen) September 27, 2015
Not only have players dropped some catchable passes, no one has made any plays for Bradford. Guys did that this summer, but the regular season has been very different. Receivers (WRs, TEs and RBs) need to step up and help Bradford out.
Most of this is on Bradford, though. He is a former #1 pick. He is getting paid big bucks. Bradford isn’t some scrappy overachiever. He needs to play up to his potential. He needs to play up to his salary.
Bradford might have done the Eagles a huge favor this summer when he didn’t sign an extension. He bet on himself, thinking a great season would lead to a monster deal. Right now Bradford would have a very short list of suitors if he were on the market. Heck, some Eagles fans want him benched for Mark Sanchez.
Things can turn around. The offense hasn’t come close to playing at its peak. When the Eagles offense does get rolling, yards and points will come flying. It can take a little while for a player, especially a QB, to adapt to a new team and new circumstances.
Bradford now has three games under his belt. The run game just had its most productive day. The O-line played their best game. DeMarco Murray is getting better. Josh Huff might be back. This group can get going.
While that sounds good, there are no guarantees. If Bradford continues to play erratically, Chip Kelly might have to consider a change. For now, Kelly and Bradford are saying all the right things. Both men want Bradford to snap out of his fog and play like the guy we all saw this summer. Sunday would be a great time to start.
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After I digested the Bradford trade I was ecstatic that the Birds got him. I thought he would put up huge numbers in this offense. I still think he can. He has to snap out Of the mindset he is currently in, and like Tommy said somebody does need to make a play for him at some point.
With that being said I’m starting to wonder if the time he has spent with the Rams has ruined him. Constantly being under duress, coached to pretty much always go for short throw. You can have all the talent in the world but for the duration of your Pro career if you are forced into bad habits not every player can snap out of that. Time will tell if he will. He just looks lost or scared at times. Looks like a wide eyed rookie sometimes.
As I told you before, if he plays well here, it will be for the first time.
Not true. 2013 before he got hurt he was putting up arguably Pro bowl numbers. As a rookie he set a record or two as well.
I think his success in 2013 is overstated — at least if you look at the numbers (I didn’t watch more than one game in that period and can’t attest to how he looked). In 7 games, he completed 60% of his passes at 6.44 yards/attempt. He took care of the ball — 14 TDs to only 4 INTs — but he wasn’t setting the world on fire. It’s just that he looked like he was trending in the right direction.
There are people that look at numbers and people that don’t YPA is the main one.
If you go back and watch some of those games you quickly realise that he had horrible teammates on offense. No pass-pro and HORRIBLE receivers. Worst in the NFL with a wide margin.
Sure, that may be true. I just take issue with the notion that he was putting up pro bowl numbers.
He can & should look like the guy that tore people up at Oklahoma. At no point during his time in the NFL have I ever seen him look anything like that….except for the Packers game in the preseason.
As I have stated below, and many people still do not acknowledge it or are aware of it. In 2013 before Bradford got hurt he was putting up arguable Pro Bowl numbers. Which just so happens to be the last time he played before coming to the Eagles. It’s very possible you never saw him look anything like that because more then likely you never watched many STL games.
Furthermore as a rookie he did play very good by rookie QB standards. Even setting a record or 2.
There’s no need to regurgitate that Bradford has talent. We know he can make some nice throw but his issue isn’t his arm. He just seems ruined by his bad habits that was never addressed in St.Louis. Shit even Nick Foles and Kaepernick were good in 2013 and look at where they are now.
And that is exactly as to what I stated above. Literally the exact same thing if you read the entire conversation. I’m just saying it’s not true that he has never looked the part.
No this goes beyond being coached into Captain Checkdown. I can’t really pinpoint it on one thing but Bradford doesn’t seem like he has to prove anything. He just seems like a guy dong a job for his paycheck.
I feel its definitely a combination of receivers not helping him and him not helping himself. Sometimes he makes a throw that’s off target, but the receiver doesn’t make the tough catch. Other times he makes the perfect throw but the receiver doesn’t make the catch. And still other times his throw is just way off and there’s nothing the receiver can do.
I think Bradford and the receivers are combining to make the passing game not click. Everyone has to step it up if it’s going to improve.
Sidenote: Most surprising has been Jordan Mathews. Bad drops and not really producing until garbage time. I thought for sure he was going to step up and have a big season this year. So far he has ok stats but has not passed the eyeball test at all.
I think alot of Mathews struggles are due to the D just really keying in on him. Bradford rarely looks to go outside and the D knows it.
The drops of course are purely on him though.
Could be, the drops are still frustrating though. I mean he’s not a natural great hands guy but I still expect more from him.
I think his struggles are due to him dropping the ball
That is only a part of it.
His one job too.
As do I. But I do think his lack of numbers aren’t really his fault. I think it’s Bradfords and the outside receivers. Nobody is afraid of Cooper in the passing game and Agholor as a rookie is going to struggle at times. Combine that with the fact that Bradford won’t go outside the D knows to simply clamp down on Mathews. Bradford has also missed Mathews running open at times. He has missed Agholor open multiple times.
The scary thing about Bradford more then lack of accuracy right now is him simply not going through a real read progression and at times not having the patience for the route to open up. If he doesn’t see something he will just go for the short gain while he has good protection. He isn’t playing smart, and he is playing scared.
Agholor has played alot better then many realize, but people don’t realize it due to the ineffectiveness of Bradford to correctly read and run the play. It’s almost as if Bradford has taken a step back from even his STL days.
You just don’t get a lot of the wide open plays, as seen on that chip wagon site and blow them. He blew a bunch of plays and this is in three games. Not a good sign.
Eagles’ D ranked 5th in the league according to DVOA–woohoo! O 27th, 18th overall, up from 26th. Guess playing the Jets (24th in O) is good for defensive ratings. WAS’ O is ranked 18th. Man, it’s weird to see the Jets and WAS have a higher ranked offense than the Eagles. Bizarro world…
We should be ranked high, keeping the points down as opposed to a team like the miners who literalły have up 90 points in the last two games…, and our defense isn’t showing anything yet, wait til they really gel and the sacks start
Coming in bunches, that’s when the d will reach new heights
Billy D was saying that a QB will either throw INTs or take the sack under pressure. I think we get more INTs this week, because I’m not sure Cousins likes to take sacks.
Brees might be one to take the sack, so maybe we get a bunch next week.
I don’t even want to sack QBs like Cousins and ELi’d rather rush those fools into bad trows then to sack them.. I talk about this every time we play the Giants, it applies to a guy like Cousins too
“Grip it and rip it” – Anonymous
Imagine Tyrod Taylor in this offense… Mobility, pocket awareness and a great deep ball. He’s playing out of his mind in Buffalo and was an afterthought in the offseason. I don’t think Bradford is the answer but maybe there’ll be someone else there in the Spring. I hope, anyway.
When the Bills announced that Tyrod Taylor was the starter I was shocked. I like most assumed it would be Cassell who was cut, resigned, and now traded. I thought Ryan lost his mind having him as the starter but so far it appears to be a surprisingly great move.
Manuel sucks.
I like what what TT is doing for the Bills.
Im not liking Bradford right not, but I think its too early to call him done yet. Guy hasn’t played in 2years. I really don’t expect him to put it together until the 2nd half of the season.
TT never started a game. lots of qbs come back and don’t play like hot ass in a system where sanchez put up crazy #s.
I explained this more below, but I agree it’s too early to write off Bradford. At the same time though, he seems like an awfully risky long-term commitment. There needs to be a better contingency plan than Sanchez.
A lot of credit should go to Greg Roman. He made Kaepernick look good for a while too.
Haven’t seen very much of TT so I may be wrong, but I think he looks better then Kaepernick throwing the ball. You are right in that Roman is doing a good job with that O.
He is throwing better than Kaep. TT can put some real touch on his passes.
Looks *a lot* better than Kap.
TT is a joy to watch play QB under Roman. Really impressive.
It wasn’t the skill position players alone that made me think Buffalo had a chance to be good this year. When I heard that they got Roman, I felt they had a great shot. Of course, full disclosure, I thought it would be with Cassel. But Roman did a lot with that 49ers team.
How about we let that play out for more than 3 games.
Let’s bring out the Foles disclaimer – “let’s wait til teams have some tape on him before proclaiming him the next Aaron Rodgers.”
I’m not anointing the next Rodgers, but man, having watched all 3 Buffalo games I can’t help but be very impressed. He’s checking all the boxes and displaying no obvious deficiencies in his game.
Also, this shouldn’t be a huge surprise- he was a 4-year starter at Virginia Tech with a lot of success there and played well enough as a 5th-Round pick that Baltimore never even bothered to carry a 3rd QB. He’s looked good in preseason action for years and is building on a fantastic preseason this year.
So no, he’s not the next Top-5 world beater, but I do absolutely think his floor is much higher than Bradford’s. I’m not writing off Bradford- and I really, really hope I look like an idiot in a few months- but for my money today, I’m taking TT every time.
I’m right there with you man. I have to watch a ton of Bills games because of the region I live in & I’ve been blown away by him so far. Among other things, he has beautiful touch on his deep passes that make me really wistful for the long ball if I’m being honest. I try not to think on it much, but MAN I’d love to see him run our offense.
Tmobile hype after 3 games is insufferable
That’s cause you don’t know how to evaluate QBs, as evidenced by your undying affection for Foles.
It’s fine, but don’t drag down a good QB just because you’re wrong.
you’d be just as hype if he was on your team.
He isn’t so why overreact to the hype? Since he isn’t on our team why not view it with a brain and play a little wait and see before you get on your knees and blow the kid?
Kendricks full today, thats good news
Good. As much as I love him that means less Ryan’s on the field. Solid player, but at times a liability. Sucks saying that.
One would assume Kendricks would be back soon considering Kelly called him out for missing 4 games with a “day to day” calf strain last year.
Dr hicks playing his ass off is the best cure for our injured LBs… Nothing will get a player back from injury faster then the threat of a rookie playing so well in their spot
“The Eagles O-line has given him good protection most of the time,”
Has it? Maybe if we’re talking Peters and Lane. I’ve seen way two much of the guards and Kelce being pushed into Bradford’s lap. Not jailbreak type stuff, but certainly not the type of clean interior pocket need for Bradford to climb and set his feet properly before throwing.
I was with you until this week. They did a good enough job creating a pocket this week (certainly far better than what was going on at the beginning of last year), and Sam was very uneven even when he had the room and time to step into his throws. I think TL nailed it with his point about hesitancy. When Sam is “in the moment,” he’s made some really beautiful throws; the example I think of is the roll-out throw he made this week. On the other hand, when Sam is thinking too much, he doesn’t commit to just letting it fly. A good game where the whole offense clicks might be just what the doctor ordered for Sam gaining some confidence and trusting what he sees.
And I’ll disagree slightly with Bowen, Zach Ertz has made a few plays in the passing game. Only a few, but he’s bailed out Bradford on, IIRC, two poor throws. Not that that really disproves Bowen’s ultimate point, but it’s worth pointing out. In the end, I’m not roasting Bradford yet because we knew (or should have known) he wasn’t going to be the guy who put the team on his shoulders and overcame poor offensive performance from other players, especially early in the season. He was brought here to be the point guard in a well-oiled offensive machine. If he’s still struggling when the rest of the offense is consistently doing its job, then, in true Philly fan fashion, I’ll be calling for his head.
For me right now, Bradford biggest problem seems that he often locks on his first WR to early instead of going through his full progression.
Yup. Really hard to watch.
My thoughts too. I hope it’s just a comfort thing instead of a persistent issue that’s harder to fix.
Sunday will be interesting to watch. If they struggle against Washington, you have to seriously question the potential of this group, at least on the offensive side. That being said, I hope they come out and continue to build upon what we saw against the Jets. It wasn’t greatness, but there was a glimpse of a good team there.
Sunday would be a great time to start
As it looks like there may be two options for the game on Sunday:
1. Move it to Tuesday Night (hello Mr. Webb?!)
2. Swap the bye weeks and play in week 8 instead.
Pick your poison…!
They’ll likely swap the game since both teams have the same bye week. The NFL has had to do it before due to a hurricane.
who’s two options? Yours?
I think we need to package Thad Lewis, Miles Austin, and commenter Baloophi in a trade for Joe Webb immediately. He is the best Tuesday night QB in the modern era. After this week, he can easily take over Austin’s role as a worthless WR.
Sssshhhhhh! No one say his name the third time!
Do not think the NFLPA would like switching Bye weeks considering we have been practicing all week.
I haven’t been watching Bradford’s mechanics when he throws, so I can’t comment on that, but he seems like he’s rushed. He’s so jittery and looks like he just wants to get rid of the ball ASAP.
I also don’t think Bradford had nearly enough time to work with the receivers. He hardly practiced during the Spring and Summer. I am still baffled by how he could look so good in the preseason and then come out looking like ass during the regular season.
The fellas over st Chipwagon have a good break down of the run game against the Jets. Part of our problem seems to be really crappy technique, but it also seems the defense is a little gabby and holding our guys. This is preventing them from getting of their combo blocks and getting to the 2nd level.
http://chipwagon.typepad.com/eagles/2015/09/the-eagles-ground-game-from-hot-mess-to-work-in-progress.html
Babre failing hard.
I totally agree with you, Tommy. Sure, Bradford doesn’t look like he’s comfortable, but the guy hasn’t played football in two years and like Tom and Bowen said, NO ONE makes plays for him.
Ya know, I’ve been living in Philly all my life and have been a fan as well, but I tell ya, Philly fans are like emotional women who have never sat thru an entire NFL season. There’s more to football than just numbers, there’s dynamics and circumstances that effect the game and outcome. You have to look between the numbers and throw out any expectations bc the NFL is a week-to-week league.
Sproles and R. Matthews catch those balls that were placed RIGHT IN THEIR HANDS the score if the Jets game would have been 38-17. Then everyone would be saying Bradford looks great. Philly fans, you’re smart. But don’t let expectations and emotions get in the way of ur sanity.
I don’t think everybody would be saying he looked great had those passes been caught because that’s not how Philly fans are wired and, more importantly, Bradford has been… not great. Getting behind the numbers doesn’t improve the view. That said, it’s wise to be patient.
I’ll disagree and say the typical Philly Fan would overreact and say maybe a decent playoff run had the game been 38-17. You give us/them too much credit.
Well said, for a fanbase that claims they are so knowledgable I find this fanbase to be a joke
I can’t stand ourselves either. We are knowledgeable, but also just as emotional.
I dont understand how we got like this? You would think we got used to a decade of dominant Super Bowl wins by how everyone is ready to lay down at the first sign of adversity in a game. Football is a marathon game of overcoming adversity that presents itself as a team
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This city was talking about firing chip after an 0-2 start Lol wtf is wrong with us?
I’m not giving up on the guy, but I’m deeply concerned. The “he’s done some positive things” argument is not satisfying because nearly every NFL quarterback has good moments in every game. Counting QB1s and QB2s, these are the 64 people, out of 1000s of candidates (whittled down over time), who are the best at what they do. Brian Hoyer makes plays. Even Jimmy Clausen makes plays. The problem is that the good is outweighed by the bad, and the same has been true for Bradford — not only this year, but since he has entered the league. And sure, there are plausible excuses for why he has not come close to meeting expectations. The talent around him in St. Louis was lacking, and he had suboptimal coaching there, too. Now he hasn’t played football in two years, and he has to learn an new offense (though one that is supposed to fit his strengths). At some point in his career, the excuses run out, and he has to play well. I’m beginning to think it’s just not going to happen.
Let’s stop making predictions and outcomes on the Eagles bc that just gets everyone in trouble; just watch. Trust what u see, not what u project. Eagles have looked way worse than expectations, but weren’t totally out of those games they lost. With all those compounded problems during the two loses, they should have been blown out a ton. Balance is key, people are way off balance and their ship is swaying in this tumultuous time. Bradford hasn’t won or lost any games yet so chill.
I’ve made no predictions or projections. I’ve expressed concern based on what I’ve seen and what Bradford has done in the recent and more distant past. Sorry if that seems unchill to you.
“I’m beginning to think it’s just not going to happen.” No?
Nope. Neither a prediction not a projection.
Ur off.
Beginning to think = having concern in my mind. I’m not predicting that he won’t get better. I’m not certain in my convictions. But, whatever, it’s a dumb semantic argument. I’ll remain concerned, unchill though that may be.
Nope. Neither a prediction nor a projection.
I loved Andy’s philosophy of breaking the season into quarters. Hopefully we can get to 2-2 with Bradford making small strides.
The idea is that Sam (and the team) will improve and the 3rd quarter of the season will be pretty explosive. It might not work, but at least he has the “arm talent” to get it done. It does seem that the issues are in his head right now.
It’s not andys philosophy… Every NFL coach breaks the season down into quarters
Incredibly surprising how Sam Bradford plays like he always have in the NFL, flashing brilliance, then having moments of horrific proportions and playing mediocre overall. The excuses will slowly start to fail and fade away.
Bradford will have to either take a major step forward(which admittedly have always been delayed by his injuries), start playing incredibly consistent(again, injuries) or Chips offense will have to do its magic, its very simple. I’m fine with either, but lets not pretend this isn’t the Bradford we got when we made the trade.
flashing brilliance in the preseason. Yeah that’s him
“If Bradford continues to play erratically, Chip Kelly might have to consider a change.” — and do what? Sanchez? Yes, that’ll help. If there was slightest idea that Sanchez is good enough to be a starter, CK would never have gone after Bradford. CK traded a draft pick to get Bradford. There is no way, not a chance that Bradford will get benched. There’s no value in benching Bradford.
If we are lucky, Bradford will start playing ErtzRadically.
But yeah, he is the man until at least January.
Amen. I want to win this year, no question..but I also want to know about the future. If Bradford doesn’t pan out…the future of this team is even more cloudy….
Yoda said something like that.
I should have said “cloudy, the future is, without Bradford”
“fear, leads to dancing. dancing, leads to picks. picks lead to anger. anger, leads to the bench.”
Bradford hasn’t panned out and is never going to pan out. It was a move to try to get Mariotta and instead CK sunk this organization to the depths of hell. we have nothing to look forward to for at least 3 years. thanks a lot chip kelly. Now get your a$$head outta here!
I want Chip to be Chip and Bradford to be Bradford. I want to know by the end of this year both if Chip and Bradford are the solution(s).
I’ll say at least till the bye. If we get to the bye in the thick of the playoff race, the O-line is coming together, the run game is going, WR’s are getting open. And he’s just struggling badly ( I don’t think he would in that environment). If the D is good enough, you’re thinking you can compete to go deep with a mediocre QB. So the bye week is when that switch could happen. But it just seems like the offense will either get going or continue to struggle as a unit.
The only thing that is ruined is the Eagles offensive line. None of the skill players are going to play close to their potential because the offensive line sux.
They have skill players outside of Sproles?
They have been pass protecting pretty well
I was in a bar in Lancaster last weekend, where I saw a dude in a Riley Cooper jersey. The numbers and name plate were the US flag instead of solid white. That dude’s political leanings couldn’t be more obvious if it were the Confederate flag instead.
troll much?
Only our good friend that has nothing to add to the conversation anyway. Engaging him only makes this place worse.
I don’t get the whole bash Riley Cooper over and over for a mistake that he made and has apologized for.
Criticize him for his play but leave the social justice warrior shtick for political threads. If the person you saw is racist then that is his problem. It has nothing to do with Riley Cooper or the Eagles.
It’s literally the only Cooper jersey I’ve ever seen. Ever. It’s just impressive that it was also so damn stereotypical.
As for the “social warrior schtick”, I don’t really care what Cooper does off the field, but clearly this dude does.
Is Les Bowen the Daily News reporter who had sexual relations with little boys? How is that dude out of jail?
That was Bill Conlin
He’s dead. Thank God.
you were close though…
Looking for a suitor?
The problem is that Sam Bradford isn’t going to snap out of his fog because there is no fog. Sam Bradford is exactly the quarterback you are watching. He is what he is. The Rams totally hoodwinked Chip Kelly.
Remember Chip Kelly thought the Browns offered a first rounder for Bradford? Guess what, that was an convenient lie. Chip Kelly fell for it.
Troll.
Im sorry you bought into Chip Kelly. This organization will suck for many years to come because of this a$$head. Look what happened after Spurrier went to Washington. 15 years of malaise
no u
Spurrier was part of the overall bad management decisions in Washington. Buying up every overpriced free agent for years didn’t help.
I wouldn’t say hoodwink.
Bradford was the first overall pick in the draft. He has great potential but the injuries might have damaged his confidence.
Time will tell
Tommy L can you take that Les Bowen comment out.. that pretty rough to have on the board..
There was a pedophile Philadelphia Daily News sportswriter (allegedly) but it was Bill Conlin. He was accused years after the alleged events by several women, including his niece, of having molested them when they were very young.
Conlin, an obese man, died of natural causes in 2014, so there were no prosecutions.
i wasnt saying your comment.. i know all that info.. i just think its crappy to have your name associated with that kinda horrible thing even from a Fink like QQ…
Really hoping this game doesn’t get moved. What are the philly locals hearing about it?
why would it get moved? Storm isn’t coming in til sunday night…
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000546608/article/hurricane-forces-nfl-to-eye-options-for-eaglesskins
Dude, you might wanna open a Twitter account.
you want me to open a twitter account — to follow some momo, who’s reporting on something he’s interpreting? No thank you. Storm is expected Sunday night. Not even close to effecting any game. (if that turns out to be true, I’ll open a twitter account, you can follow me to get real reports)
I won’t be following Yankees fan, anywhere!
So, if the game isn’t moved and our boys play in crappy surroundings (wind, rain, slop) – who is better suited to win that sort of game? Our D should do better at stopping their run? Our run is at best “moving in the right direction”. Assume you might have to largely take downfield passing out of it? If so, we really don’t have to change anything…
Both teams are run first with good run defense.
I would call it a wash honestly. Both teams are predicated on the run, play good run defense, and have QBs playing terrible. This could be one really ugly game.
Literally right if there are 12″ of rain or even 5 “.
Even if the skies are totally clear and its 75 degrees out this game can still be ugly with the way QBs are playing.
2013 Eagles have the advantage 🙂
The hurricane will be hundreds of miles away from us on Sunday. It makes landfall Monday morning. I don’t get it
Me neither. Maybe they are afraid of hefty rain and wind on Gameday?
I know it’s always better to be safe than sorry, but football games have been played under “funny circumstances” before…
yup, wind could be insane, could be interesting
The game of no field goals and onside kicks. That’d be fun to watch if our offense wasn’t so bad.
Hurricanes and tropical storms are irradic, nothing wrong with a contingency plan.
A lot of our sports ‘journalist’ are having a bit of trouble eating crow.
Crow is very filling
But it can be dry and hard to swallow.
I’ve had that quite a bit before. Tastes like chicken.
all the ‘experts’ on TV correctly called the Jets beating the Eagles! oh wait..never mind…
Bradford sucks Tommy. Don’t see why Chip hasn’t benched him yet.
You really mean to tell me you don’t see why Chip hasn’t handed the keys over to Sanchez? I hope that was a joke of a post because as bad as Bradford has been do you really want to see Sanchez.
I’d rather see Stephen Morris out there then Bradford check it down some more.
Joke to lighten things up: Every time Eifert it Ertz.
Do not think the NFLPA would allow the game to be flipped to the bye week now. You need 4 consecutive days off on the bye. Can we play at like 11am? give us a few extra hours before the heavy stuff comes in. Your excellency? fiddle sticks.
I’d love 11 am!
I don’t mind either. My tummy can cope with starting drinking at 8am!!!
That’s one of the things I enjoy about these London games, cracking a nice cold one at 8am and watching football at 9:30am. What could possibly go wrong with that? lol
Like.
Me too.
according to this tracker we should be ok:
http://www.surfline.com/surf-news/joaquin-to-send-swell-conditions-questionable-for-many-joaquin-a-major-hurricane-impacting-bahamas_131969/
No one postponed or moved the game when we had a high-flying passing game that relied on the deep pass, and we lost to Chicago in the fog bowl.
Now, we can’t pass the ball anyway. I am good with playing in a raining, windy slop. It will be a game for the ages. I will be warm and dry at home.
Let them play. As long as I don’t lose power.
Yes warm and dry at home while they play that type of game sounds like a good time to me. The power thing is an issue but you gotta have your own contingency plans ATG lol. Purchase a portable charger and then stream the game on a phone or tablet if you lose power, those are my plans at least for a power outage.
geez that fog bowl was BS!
I need to buy a tarp and build a lean-to over my sat dish (its in the garden). I can’t miss another Sunday of football!
That was BS. We always get screwed. The WS was BS too.
If I’m counting correctly, this is the 3rd QB coach for CK in 3 years. He doesn’t have prior NHL experience, he hasn’t worked with Bradford before and he’s new to this staff. It could take a while.
NHL experience would be an interesting qualification
Everyone wants Bradford to snap out of it. I would be pretty confident in saying that Sanchez would have preformed better than Bradford has to this point. Problem is that Sanchez’s best isn’t nearly good enough. If at any point a switch is made, the season is lost.
I agree with you Tum. We know what Sanchez is in this offense is, I don’t think we yet know what Bradford is or will be. I think he needs at least 3 more games. Also for some reason I do not think Chip would bench Bradford because that would be he admitting to Bradford being the wrong choice.
Well, we know what Sanchez WAS. Wasn’t there something about him being FINALLY healthy with another year under his belt….
ya the shoulder finally fully healed or something
yeah the way he was overthrowing people in pre-season it looked like he’d moved from a volkswagon to a porsche
while I do think there’s very little to 0 chance of Bradford being benched….CK made the wrong decision of starting Vick and eventually gave in and started Foles(I know Vick injury and such)…wouldn’t be the first time he had to admit he made a
mistake.
3 more Ls in that span and the season is over.
most likely but watching SB stink up the place is tough esp when its 3 n outs. Only thing that could be different is if the D continues to improve and keeps them in games, Sanchez can at least move the team or at least we are guessing he could have. Not so sure in some of those games when they were killing the run game and going backwards.
sanchez looked good in the preseason, he had tons of completions and moved it fast. he’s not that bad. he can’t really throw deep but Sam won’t so wha’s the difference?
Because the best of Sanchez isnt good enough. The best of Sammy is.
I’m only here to help … for all those worried about wind and rain and rescheduling nfl games because we might be getting a very week hurricane miles off the coast Sunday evening….plan accordingly. I think California is safe. you’re welcome. No charge.
Someone is salty today.
Iol… thought the map was funny
I was hostile to this trade. I just thought, we wasted Foles and picked a potential guy. It’s just normally qbs that are going to be good flash and then start to produce. You just normally don’t see monster seasons late in a career. Only a few exceptions are like Steve Young and… not many other players. Sometimes an unheralded player does well but mostly, high picks that don’t elevate the team end up being blah players.
me too, thats why Im turning on the guy with the first bit of adversity. I still hope Im proven wrong
I’m with you. Hopefully he suddenly gets good. I’ve seen it take a while for guys to come back from knee injuries, McNabb sailed a lot of balls too. Need 5 more games possibly more.
Kurt Warner too.
No, the poor scouting led him to be undrafted. Those guys appear all the time.
I’m talking the high round picks that have lots of opportunities.
hard to ignore that the system had just made Foles, Vick and Marky Mark put up huge numbers. The problem was 1 TOs (sammy b had a really low TO rate), 2 needing someone that could repeatedly hit short passes to keep the offense moving (sammy b is good at that).
I think chips issues w/ the offense were 1) TOs and 2) sustaining drives, so i think sammy b was the right choice in that sense. Foles was regressing fast, sanchez couldn’t see the field / make the throws even though i really like how he runs the offense.
I think that it was more of Chip getting rid of DeShawn that hurt Foles plus the really bad oline play. Finally the oline gets together but not before Foles was injured, then he blamed Foles mobility. I saw last season as an attack on the remnants of Andys team, transitioning to Chips team. So you pull the qbs best weapon, then he underperforms, then you have a green light to make moves. Not that Foles was going to be all that, but, he was never going to be Chips guy.
So, Chip is still trying to get his guy. Might be Bradford, it is still early back from a knee injury. Might not.
I feel if you asked Chip, he’d never say he sabotaged Foles, but, I’ve seen it so many times with coaches and the power struggles with the Qb. It just happens at some unconcious level. Then you look at Bradford throwing and the ball looks pretty, but, we seen his timing or accuracy are off. Might be needs time to gell, might not.
Hope for the best at this point.
“Not that Foles was going to be all that, but, he was never going to be Chips guy.” I got the impression that chip really liked Foles. I think dropping djax was more about djax, don’t think kelly realized how important he was to the offense even though he wasn’t a blocker. Additionally Maclin had a number of huge plays where he was virtually unguarded down field.
Now the ball is out so fast people don’t have a chance to run down field routes.
No evidence.. just a gut feeling… and not sure coaches are aware of it when they do it. Plus it is all guesses.
Me. I mostly look at productivity and if you have a history of it or not.
Very well said A.
Annddddd now they are talking about moving it too Detroit! Haha thank god this isn’t a home game for the birds.
Thank god I’m only 3.5 hours from Detroit 😉
I think the move would favor the Eagles. Rather play on turf in dry conditions with no wind than on a slippery field with hefty wind which makes it even more harder for our passing game.
I think you are right in that bad weather would assist the Skins.
I heard on the local sports radio,( here in Charleston SC, so take it for what it is worth) that the NFL is thinking about postponing the game until week 8 when both the Eagles and the Redskins have a bye. That would suck balls. One b/c of a super early bye week and 2 b/c it would take away the Eagles rest,recover, prep advantage for the Allas game.
That’s old news bro and already off the table.
That is good news. Thanks for the update.
Yeah that is so 3 hours ago.
You are so 2015, dude.
Certainly this is predicated on playing conditions, but would like to see Chip open by moving the pocket and taking a deep shot in the first series of the game. Keep the WaSkins D off-balance and get Ertz and Agholor involved early with pop passes and inside screens. Give Bradford some easy completions and let the pass game set up the run. Once again, Sproles will be a spark plug on STs and out of the backfield. WaSkins D only allowing 75yds/game on 20 carries(avg.), albeit against Dolphins, Rams, and Giants, and only 1 rushing TD.
Eagles D needs to step up and continue their solid play. Would like to see 3+ turnovers by the D – WaSkins backs should be good for 2 fumbles, and/or I can see a strip sack generated from Barwin/Graham/Cox, and can envision Thurmond/Hicks undercutting a Reed route or two. Our D is coming together nicely, and coupled with our ST play can carry the team while the O gets their act together.
Eagles by 2 TDs.
lol at 3+ TOs. I wouldn’t expect that many TOs everygame
With Cousins tossing up the amount of picks he is throwing I think it’s very possible. Not every game in which 76mustang did not say, but it’s not to far fetched at all to think that may happen against Washington.
Last time Cousins played us he was 30/48 for 427 yards, 3 TD and 1 INT.
We’ll see.
Its Kirk Cousins…. He probably has just as much chance to torch us as he does throwing a punch of picks. I hope our a Defenses is through letting mediocre QBs light us up. And its a division game, so I’d throw out how Washington looks against everyone else.
As for the 3+ TOs thing, I thought it was inferred since we have caused good number TOs in each of our 1st 3 games. But if he didn’t , then I’m wrong. k
We will probably froce turnovers then do a 3 and out in 30 seconds and give it right back
sorry but Rowe is the strip sack master with Max being the punch it out guy. A blind side strip sack is always nice though
Agree regarding the O strategy. However I think this game is going to be closer then Eagles by 14 points.
Anyone else excited to watch Mike Vick?
I think they take the lead the first half, then the Ravens defense is forced to get creative and we all know one of Vick’s biggest weaknesses is recognizing defenses.
no.
I still have bad feelings about Vicks past actions.
I know I know he paid his dues, changed man etc..
I don’t care.
I think thats fair. I certainly cant fault you for it.
Can’t fault you for any of that.
On one hand I totally agree, and even picturing the things he did to dogs makes me want to tear up.
However, something I’ve realized over time – those reactions to him are from a place where people had it better than he did. Imagine living in deep poverty, in West Virginia, and growing up in an environment where dog fighting is not only acceptable, but encouraged. It’s dehumanizing, but it’s also numbing.
Have you ever talked to a farmer about animals? They look at them as property, not as companions. If you talk to someone who’s had a pet dog, they look at them as loving companions, best friends whose lives should be valued almost as highly as humans’. Now imagine your only interaction with animals is making them fight and profiting off of it.
Like I said earlier, it was downright disgusting, but It’s no worse than Roethlisberger raping multiple women, or Ray Rice knocking out his wife, or Adrian Peterson beating his son with a switch to the point where his inner thighs had scars on them (as well as his scrotum).
you’re right. I completely understand the whole thing about where he was raised and how they view dogs/animals etc.. its very different.
I do get it. and frankly I am impressed with Vick afterwards. he seems to be a really different guy and learned his lesson and is even remorseful.
and I don’t really hate him.
its just one of those things where I don’t feel like I should root for him, but I don’t really root against him…
I’ll just quote Nailed it! –
“Can’t fault you for any of that.”
hey i rooted for him when he was wearing green though! i’ll tell you what!
Watching a fumble machine with an average at best qB brain isn’t my idea of excitement but to each his own
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Excited in the trainwreck sense maybe
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I’ll watch the game, but I’d be much more interested if Vick wasn’t playing
damn, and loved nick foles?
lol
I thought we all loved nick?
I’m team Sanchez, which pretty much means you should ignore everything i say.
im not afraid of seeing sanchez play, like most are, but I would much rather let Sammy get his groove back
Only the fans with a brain, “all” certainly don’t fall under that category
What a dumb comment. At this stage it’s depatable whether Vick is good enough to even be a back up..
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Apples to Donkeys comparison as always, anon doesn’t dissapoint, you sure are consistent lol
Absolutely, guy paid his dues and I would love to see him tear up Baltimore.
Anybody else planning to watch the game tonight with a rooting interest for Michael Vick? I had thought he was probably done last year, but this will be quite the opportunity for him (playing on a team stacked at the skill positions) to play meaningful football for a potential playoff team – in what in all likelihood be the final chapter of his career.
me! it’ll be interesting to see what happens, I think the old Vick is done, i’m hoping doesn’t give up a sack fumble / makes it through the game. Also hoping he relentlessly fields his skill players who i’m starting in fantasy this week.
i’m sure he’s been studying the play book real hard… haha
Anyone else excited about Vick?
Anyone excited to see a shit brand of football?
Cant be any worse than watching an Eagles’ game
Oh yes it can… At least we didn’t turn the ball over last week, how many turnovers will Vick single handedly be responsible for tonight? I guess that answer depends on whether he can make it thru a half of football…
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Don’t get me wrong, Vick is a class act so I do wish him well so that he can continue to have a job in this league, but I sure wish I wasn’t stuck watching him in a nationally televised game
LOL Sammy tried to turn it over on his very first pass
No turnovers vs jets pal, which is petty much what needed to happen to beat the jets, plus WRs are already responsible for half of the kids turnovers so it’s only right that a few “almost turnovers” go his way.. As if every QB doesn’t have “almost turnovers” each week…
“Almost Turnovers” have a real tendency to turn into “TOs at the worst time.”
I’ll take back the INTs that bounced off his WRs hands. I still don’t think Sammy been impressive or even good outside of 2 quarters vs ATL. I’m not giving up on the guy, just saying Eagles’ fans shouldn’t be throwing stones about crappy QB play.
come on now, Vick is on another level of crap isn’t he?
Depends…. you are either going to win brilliantly or lose in devastating fashion… (Vick)
Or would you prefer the slow death of will or wont he for 4 qts?(Bradford/Sanchez)
those days are over for Vick.
new days ahead for the Bradford/sanchez duet.
There may be hope for Bradford….. I don’t think I ever want to watch Sanchez start again
sanchize was not that bad.
No, but every time I see him play there is voice in the back of my mind that tells he will never get any better
my issue with him is things look great, for a while then he throws a pick at the end of a game. Or has a game like the seattle game, which come to think of it every QB has — Nick / Dallas, Sammy B / Dallas.
The one thing I like about Nick was that no matter how bad he was playing he was never afraid to chuck the ball downfield.
Bradford is killing me. Id rather him take a deep shot and be incomplete than throw another 2 yard pass on 1st/2nd and 10.
Let him be absurd for the sake of being absurd
Its a game between 2 teams I hate… I have a whole bucket of salt
Well, for starters, he throws with the wrong hand…
Think I wouldn’t love to see the scumbag Ravens fall to 0-4 after how they acted when we hosted them for a week this summer? I’d love to see the steelers win this game, but I would have went with a young kid like Landry jones over vIck, I just don’t think Vick has anything left in the tank, it’s like the mma equivalent of BJ Penn wanting to fight at his age after the last 10 disgraceful performances..
oh that’s cold
An ex-Eagle who left on good terms and got one last chance? Absolutely.
yeah these days not talking shit when you get no new contract is good terms…
I root for Vixk because I’m proud of The man and his career is on the line, but i have no clue why anyone would be excited to see him play at this Stage.
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Of course I’m certainly rooting for him to send the Baltimore scum to 0-4, but I’d rather not get stuck watching Vick in a nationally televised game, certainly don’t look forward to seeing him play, but that doesn’t mean I can’t root for him to succeed because of the man he has become
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I’d rather not see him ruin one of the most explosive offenses in the NFL
Maybe he has a Randall year this year (Vikings) and we beat them in the Superbowl?
so its on for RFk I mena federal express field on sunday after all…
sloppy sam going to get sloppy and smash the skins
i mean happens to everyone look at the ravens, 0-3
what does?
has boykin been on the field?
Good question…
What number is he now?
25
I guess the steelers really do think he is a candy bar
#justadime
#justabenchplayer lol still a step above RG3 #justapracticesquadsafety
Maybe Tomlin just doesn’t understand young men of his culture
Any Boykin sightings yet?
I haven’t seen him yet this year… How he isn’t good enough to play for this crap secondary I have no idea..
The Legion of Boom they are not. Boykin either isn’t as good as we thought, or has a way of turning coaches against him.
Can Bradford be better? Absolutely
Do I think he is going to be a notable improvement over Foles/Sanchez last year the rest of the way? No
sure he is.
the eagles have already beaten a better defense then they did last year.
That’s actually true.. Hadn’t thought about it that way
yeah I just thought of it
What’s even crazier, is that we had a chance to blow them away
One way to look at. I’m talking statistically. I do think he is better than this & the receivers will be a bit better.
I just think he’ll be marginally better than Sanchez which will be a problem.
The guy hasn’t played in a long time. His timing is off with his WRs. I don’t expect him to pick it up until after the bye.
We saw the preseason and forgot the guy hasn’t played in 2 years
When did Bradford get traded to the Steelers?
oohhhhhhh
Sorry to change the subject but is anyone aware of any tricks to break up two 160lb dogs when they are fighting? I always end up with a bloody hand… I’m going to have to buy a friggin stun gun… No idea how my lady handles these two when I’m away
ask Vick.
sorry, couldn’t resist
i LOLed…
You have 2 dogs that way 160 pounds each?
Yeah Cane Corso
Really explosive and athletic too… Such defined muscular bodies
Great dog, love the race.
Toss a cat between them?
Rabbits work better
Lucky me, there are a few cunt bunnies in my yard, so when I walk them, they occasional see the rabbits and flip out unexpected and they end up draggin my 225lb body
My dog(malamute/timber wolf) has gone after two rabbits. Once she got off leash and the other time a rabbit got stuck in the dog park
It sucks because I walk them in my front yard casually, and I don’t see the rabbits until they try to take off after them.. I’m afraid one day they will see a raibbit while I’m walking down the steps and break my face
Have to keep your head on a swivel. I look out for old people, kids and other animals about 100M in all directions. If I notice something before she does I can manage her better
I have a pretty big property with woods in the back, so I really only walk them on my property… But the rabbits and squirls are my arch nemesis for sure… If I take them off my property it’s usually just a ride in the car.. Too dangerous to walk them in the streets… Definitely need to keep your head on a swivel like a slot WR going over the middle..,
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Great dogs tho, i could never get a different breed after having Cane Corsos..
Spray them with water. It stops them in their tracks. I grew up with a bullmastiff, and have an american bulldog now. they get rowdy sometimes and water stops them cold
Lurks the most over here… First time posting. Birds fan all my life
Not funny lol.. My sister went off to college and stuck me with her cat, I have to keep it in my basement at all times because they are dying to tear it apart..
What this in your house or a dog park?
At home when I have another dog visiting mine I always leave the leash one in case I need to separate them.
My house.. I can’t take them to a dog park, too hard to control them both. I have to bring them at the vet during seperate visits because it would be too hard to control them around all those other animals,, lucky my backyard is huge and fences in so they chance each other and wrestle all day, but when I walk them in the front yard, it’s definitely a work out
They are brothers, they been together every day of their life, usually they wrestle and fight all day, pretend to bite each other but about once every 3 months they get out of hand and go at it for real, sometimes I can tell before they are about to fight, usually their tails and ears stick up before they flip out and I can seperate them before it gets out of control, but when they start fighting for real it’s pretty friggjn scary ..
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But they are so sweet with my girl, when I’m not home and they have to stay with her, they are always so gentile
Definitely let one drag a leash at all times. Its easier to separate them if you need to without losing a hand
Yeah so many times I stick my hand in the middle to break them up and I end up with a bloody hand.. I really hate it when it happens. It’s like seeing my two babies try to kill each other… It’s rare, but serious enough that I have to get a handle on it
Are they fighting or playing? When my parents visit with their dog, he plays with my dog. It looks rough some times and they occasionally end up with a scratch or two, but it is playing. Frequent breaks, and each initiating the action are good signs of play.
If they are playing, I found giving them a thick, knotted, 3′ rope for tug of war or a piece of firewood for keep away helps my piece of mind. They can’t chew on each other with something in their mouths.
If they are fighting, look for a trainer to help you. That could get dangerous quickly.
Every day the play fight and wrestle, they pretend to bite each other but you can tell they are just playing, they like to slap each other, and often one will flip on his back playfully and fight off his back while the other gets on top… This happens non stop every day and it’s not a problem at all… But every few months or so they go at it for real and when that happens it’s pretty scary..
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The problem is one of them is a spiteful prick, I’ll give them the same exact bones or treats but he will want to go try to steal his others bone, who usually just growls, lets his brother take the bone and then goes and gets the bone his brother left behind.
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It’s pretty rare that they go at it, but it’s something I would like to eliminate, an with my travels I’m afraid if this happens when I’m away and my girl is watching them,,, but they did all the training and obedience schools, amazing dogs, it’s just 160lb dogs going at it once n a blue moon is still something serious enough that I have to eliminate even if it’s rare..
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What’s funny is the tough guy bad ass of the two is more controlled when they fight, it’s the calm sweet one that wants to steal his bones and goes overboard when they fight, which gets on my nerves since I know his brother could kick his ass if he wanted to
The guy has a lot of weird reactions to his methods, but trying to do what Cesar Millan did on his TV show worked for me and my dog who was disobedient, aggressive and pulled out of control on walks. He has a book called Cesar’s Way which is a nice summary of some things he thinks about dog psychology that were invaluable for me to learn how to actually communicate to my dog that I am the leader, and then that I think certain behavior needs to stop.
As far as physically handling them, I copied things he does and have been able to get 80lb dogs pinned to the ground easily. And by the end I mean lying down and not resisting me. That stuff might help you think of something, but with two dogs that big professional help really might be the best thing like A_T_G suggested, at least until they learn to be under control. You probably need two people who know how to wrestle dogs to work together to take both dogs to the ground each time this happens and in the meantime to slowly teach the dogs to not get into that out of control state of mind at all in the first place.
I know this is personal belief, but I would not recommend any of what Cesar Milan does as there are two problems:
1) Most of his methods just make the dog scared to be obedient instead of positive learning and many of the dogs in the TV show revert back to normal disobedient because they aint getting punished anymore.
2) If you do not know what you are doing, trying to do what he does, can just as well destroy the dog completely.
I don’t disagree that somebody could misconstrue what he does and end up doing bad things to their dog, or making the dog afraid. What he says about how dogs think in terms of pack structure and one leader who is absolute is correct. I’ve noticed though that to most people being a leader and enforcing your will means becoming emotional, angry and unstable. It usually involves yelling and can include inflicting physical pain on the dog, which will never accomplish anything. If this is how you try to be a leader, you will fail and make your relationship with your dog worse.
But that is not what Cesar Millan is doing. When he subdues a dog, he has no fear or anger in his heart, only kindness and understanding. With practice you will master techniques to subdue them while never hurting them. Dogs do not want to misbehave, make their owners’ lives miserable or even act violent, but they can’t rationally think through their actions like a human, and they need someone who can communicate in their way to MAKE them change their behaviour when they are stuck in a rut with bad behavior. This is a hard thing to do and you will not master it overnight, but if you do you will literally never have an issue with your dog you can not quickly overcome, and your dog will feel happy and secure in having a leader who takes care of life for the pack and makes the dog’s life easy.
A dog that’s drawing the blood of the humans around him is already in a really bad place. That’s why I threw this out there. But it does take a personal transformation that frankly most people are not ready for.
I also want to add, I disagree that Cesar Millan ever punishes a dog. I can see why it looks that way because the dog loses freedom by being taken to the ground and forced to submit, but I don’t think dogs take it that way. That’s an awful thing to do to a human, but it’s a frequent, normal thing when dogs and wolves live in the wild. Wild packs naturally have one leader, and it’s a ritual to establish the hierarchy to them. That’s how I view it. They’re never afraid during this, but if a dog has been thinking it was the leader of some family on Cesar’s show for eight years, and Cesar comes and is the first person to do a dominant action toward this dog, of course the dog is going to protest and squirm. And if he was stronger than a human, he would break the hold over him and rise to his feet. This is how they view it. Nothing personal, nothing to feel sorry or bad about. Survival of the fittest and all that.
This is a weird way to look at this for humans, I admit. Anyway, if you can’t see how dogs could think that way, I definitely see how you would not be able to see the logic in anything else I wrote.
The last part is just stupid. Of course Im not comparing how you treat a dog and human and I have been to several seminars about dog behavior.
Everything Cesar Milan does is considered outdated by around 20 years and has no hold in real wolf behavior (the traditional alpha male role is pure crap).
Add that he also physical punishes some of the dogs behind the scene and there is a reason why I dislike everything he does
Outdated, as in everyone knows it works but it’s been improved upon? I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case.
I am curious what you would do differently. How do you stop a dog who is hurting humans?
Also I’ve never heard of or seen anything on Millan hurting dogs, could you tell me where to look?
Grab an empty soda can, fill it with fish pebbles (the ones that go into tanks), tape the top and shake it when you want them to stop. If that doesn’t work, throw the can at them. It scares the shit out of dogs, they don’t like that loud noise, plus its virtually harmless even if you throw it at them because it weighs like .25 lbs.
Try filling a spray bottle with water, put it on stream and blast them when they start getting to rambunctious. Test it out on them when they are just playing. When my two maniacs start crashing into furniture and knocking stuff over that’s what I use. Now all I have to do is show them the water bottle and they both go slinking away. For me, it’s been an easy 2 dollar fix.
There’s still hope for our secondary since we’re not the Steelers. Man do they suck
andddddd they get a pick.
I’ll keep my mouth shut now.
But you knew when the CB didn’t score that it was a wasted TO
And then the pin them on the goal line. Could I get you to say that my ability to get a winning lottery ticket sucks?
I desperately want to see the Ravens fall to 0-4….
Vick killing the ravens right now. Should have picked him up in fantasy.
He’s in a good situation. Nice weapons and a QB that usually misses a couple games a year. Smart move a few weeks ago on his part.
agree, though i cringe every time he runs knowing that could be the end of his season.
Still hasn’t learned how to slide or get out of bounds. Kap may be thick-headed when it comes to reading defenses and making the right read – but he knows how to avoid contact.
Great weapons but ridiculous for Simms to say this is the first time he played with such great weapons as if shady, desean and Maclin were chopped liver
Thought the exact same thing
Eagles 2010 and 2011 was more stacked on OL and weapons than Bell+Brown, although Bell+Brown might be best WR+RB combo of all time.
So happy our secondary doesn’t look like the steelers anymore..
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Vick has had a pretty decent game compared to my expectations, hopefully he can pull off this win
I’m not watching the game, is Boykin getting any snaps yet?
Not on defense.. Not sure about ST but steelers just shut down Ravens fake FG attempt
Crazy. I bet you anything they’re trying to not play him to make it a 5th instead of a 4th.
I find that hard to believe. Difference between a 4th and 5th is marginal and they traded for Boykin who is on a contract year, WTF was the point if they don’t play Boykin he will never re sign with them so the theory that they care so much about the silly difference between a 4th and 5th makes no sense to me… Why trade anything for a kid who you won’t play thus won’t re sign with you after the year? Doubt they paid a 5th because they wanted bench insurance for one season
But it’s almost inconceivable that Boykin could be worse than what they’re putting out there, and if they believed in him enough to trade a 4th or 5th, why the hell aren’t they giving him a shot? Nothing about the whole thing makes any sense.
No clue man.. Maybe poor command of playbook but shouldn’t be gnat hard for a corner to move to a new defense, tho it’s still early in the season, someone will get hurt and maybe that will be boykins chance to get on the field… But certainly off that he can’t play over this garbage secondary, I guess tney paid Cortez Allen and wanted to give him another shot before quitting on him,,,, weird
Yeah the whole thing is strange. I wonder what’s going on behind the scenes. Maybe Boykin shagged Tomlin’s girlfriend or something. (after reading some behind the scenes NFL books, that kind of shit happens surprisingly often)
he’s on the FG block team, only time i have seen him tonight
I agree. They’re stealing from us.
Vick showing that he doesn’t have a great grasp of the offense, missing some wide open WRs not staying on his reads long enough for the route to do its job
stupid fake FG attemp by harbaugh.. They could have kicked an easy FG and been down by only 3 before the 4th quarter even started, and Vick is starting to take bad sacks and miss Opem Wrs abandoning reads before the route can unfold.. There was no reason to fake the Fg try and score a Td and be up by 1pt…. Steelers defender read the fake perfectly and shut it down… Aggressive for the sake of being aggressive, not a good idea by harbaugh
The Ravens are desperate, and desperate people (teams) start taking risks that aren’t smart.
Ravens having a terrible game. Their season is over if they lose tonight.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of guys. *flips off Terrell Suggs*
Terrible special teams play tonight by both teams. The Ravens are too winless to be trying fake FGs, they better redeem themselves right now.
games about over, it’s been as ugly as you could imagine. Ravens have been stuffed on 3 or 4 fourth down tries. Steelers just giving the ball right back.
Ugly game indeed. I enjoy these Ravens/Steelers games though. Always a defensive nail biter. Vick played a clean game, he deserves this win for sure.
I take this comment back.
yeah coaches took the game out of his hands now they have to go to overtime, something nobody wanted
Didn’t even try to go for a first down to end the game. Now yo ugive the ball back with a whole minute left.
missed the filed goal — steelers deserve to lose this game.
they are certainly trying
Tucker has a big leg too, right?
yeah easy kick for him
I wish we had that luxury. *sigh
yeah watching scoby is a little scary, missed two huge kicks
Tucker’s kick was so nice too. You don’t even have to worry that he’s going to miss. I really, really miss “Healthy Parkey” already.
terrible coaching by the steelers can’t play not to lose.
Reminds me of us in the second half of the Jets game
yeah seriously, if the jets weren’t terrible game could have easily gotten away.
At the end of the game, I kept having flashbacks to last year and Williams or Fletcher giving up a long TD in that situation,
reminds me of a lot of 2nd halves by chip
Been leaning on the defense an awful lot
Todd Haley is an imbecile.
Should have at least ran a read option giving Vick the option to hand it off, keep it or throw it.
seriously, or at least made a play to the end zone and let him throw a pick or something. Vick went back 10 yds to get 2 yds.
That was awful call for that situation. As soon as Vick started running laterally everyone watching knew what was happening. The Steelers don’t have the blocking WRs to run that.
How about a PA to Brown or Bell
Maybe we should offer them Cooper?
Right. Even a dummy route by the WR draws at least one defender out of the play, probably two if the WR is Brown. He certainly can’t block two guys.
Thought brown was going to take that and save my fantasy outing.
He is amazing. Id be happy if Ags could resemble half of what Brown can do
I wouldn’t trust the kicker either
me neither
i love how phil simms totally changed his opinion in a matter of 5 seconds
He is literally the worst.
him or Boomer — I can’t decide…
I hate both of them, and even this year when they are two of the rare media fools that still believe in the Eagles and haven’t given up on us yet, I still can’t manage to like them..
Last night he claimed This was the first time Vick had such great weapons in his career, as if shady, desean, Maclin and a younger Celek weren’t some great weapons
If Pitt is going to play like that their season is over. Thank you justin tucker for 15 fantasy points.
Well, until their starting QB comes back…big difference…
We could have been the Steelers last week. I’m glad we weren’t.
Really see the value of a good kicker, Tucker has been so clutch for them
for which team? Baltimore didn’t trust their kicker during the game either…
Tucker plays for Baltimore… It’s not that the Ravens don’t trust him, the steelers stadium is literally the hardest place to kick in the NFL, crazy winds come off the waterfront… The NFLs kicking percentage In that stadium from like 49-53 is a horrible 28% accuracy rate
I’d be down to trade a high draft pick for Tucker. That fucker is Money and a kicker you can count on is HUGE!! It would probably take an absurd offer to even have them consider giving him up.. Kid might be their beat player.. I remember when Bellichick used to say that Vinatieri was their best player.
anybody know the official start time of the game last night? Or where to find it? (I tried but couldn’t find it)
1 PM
sorry, I edited it, I meant last night 🙂
Just scanning ahead to future weeks, it looks like the Thursday night games all start at 8:25
It’s on Twitter. 😉
ha! LOL.
Twitter is how the 20 year olds talk to each other right?
Almost. You have to be 21, mate.
The problem with Bradford is that we have no reason to believe that this isn’t who he is. His play so far this season is very much of a piece with his play in St. Louis. The pedigree, the big contract, the ability to throw beautiful spiral forty yards on a line – none of that means squat if he can’t perform at a high level under the pressure of real game conditions, and he has never provided any evidence that he can.
I was okay with Kelly moving on from Foles. He has virtues Bradford seems to lack – resilience, grit, a willingness to take chances – but his lack of physical talent is likely to prevent him from ever becoming more than a middling starter, and it’s very hard to win a Super Bowl with a guy like that. The problem is it appears Kelly has traded one guy who isn’t good enough to win big with for another guy who isn’t good enough to win big with, and given up a premium draft asset to do so. I thought the Bradford trade was a very questionable move when it was made and see no reason whatsoever to change that opinion.
I’m with you. He was Captain Checkdown in STL and he’s the same here, except rusty and a little off. He was nothing more than mediocre in STL, popularity-contest awards be danged.
My thinking on this trade was that, just maybe, he would improve coming here in the same way that Sanchez did–which would make him, perhaps, an above average QB. If Chip can reinvent this offense and SB can remember how to play, that is still possible.
Andy was pretty good until the NFL figured out his offense. Sure seems like D-coordinators figured out Chip much faster.
too many moving variables atm to really judge the offense. 1 thing i didn’t see is the D may be legit great this year. currently 5th in DVOA so he doesn’t have to be that much better for them to go on a run especially in this division.
Three whole games after two years. Rookie, 2nd year receivers having dropsies. Yes, I know, the vets are doing it too. Timing still off. Three games.
Missing open receivers, throwing bad interceptions into coverage, checking down constantly.
You can make all the excuses you want for him, but Bradford has not played well, notwithstanding the so-so performance of his receiving corps.
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3-2-1
Banned.
Ain’t gonna happen.
I think Tommy should consider getting a volunteer moderator. There are a couple of guys who need some curbing.
Yes. Sometimes I do wonder if Tommy cares about the people on here.
Tommy is the best, just a hands off kind of moderator. Germans with their six kinds of trash bins probably wouldn’t understand :). Also, you might have missed it, but his mom has been sick.
Super classy to poorly troll the board of a guy who’s mom is not well. qq
Re-worded it. Wasn’t meant to be an insult to Tommy. 😉
With great power comes great responsibility.
thing is, as with many viruses, they mutate when directly attacked. Names are easy to change.
Theres way to many current tools to combat trolling, even an IP ban is quite easy to do. Not perfect, but requires very little from the moderator, but changing you’re IP times over will eventually be very time consuming, probably with a money investment. username + IP ban will weed out most trolls due to the investment of their time compared to the output. Very possible, but really not something a lot of people will put the time into doing consecutive times just to get kick out of trolling.
The real issue is the sentiment behind banning users, many sites got in serious trouble with their userbase by having a harsh ban hammer. Not always a simple way to solve it, and Tommy never banned anyone as far as I know.
One problem with an IP ban, however, could be that there are 2 or more people using the same router, at the same location. Maybe only 1 of them needs scolding or banning. For example, sometimes there are 4 different people using the wireless at my relative’s house.
Sure, especially if people are accessing sites from work, things gets complicated. Its not perfect, but it is possible.
Yeah, we don’t want to discriminate against his mother.
Seems like a risk the troll has to take.
Your phone changes ip always
No.
Yup.
disqus allows moderators to label posters as possible spammers. Once labeled all posts must be approved before showing up.
Where’s Moe?
Totally agree! Someone with common sense and a sense of humor. Appreciates a little joking around but knows when it is going too far, deteriorating into the toilet. Also an appreciation for the English language. ;~)
Bears’ Alshon Jeffery now expected to miss 3rd straight game due to hamstring injury that didn’t respond as he expected, per @DickersonESPN.
You can bet your house on Chippah trading for him! #SportsScience
Really wish this game would have been moved. I don’t like playing in Washington as it is, their field is trash and I always scared of ACL injuries going into Washington (and Houston).,. To play on that mess of a field after it’s been raining scares me…
I hear ya about the injuries. I like the set up though. wind/rain = more run plays. They shouldn’t be able to run on the Eagles. Eagles specials teams play big.
No one runs on the Eagles and it’s been that way for a while now and our defense will only get stingier with every month that passes and we continue to grow…
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Even if the weather was perfect I still would hate to see us play in Washington.. Would have been nice with all the injuries we are experiencing if the skins game was moved to a different stadium… Players always complain about that slop field, scared to see what it looks like after days of rain..
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But yes if it turns into a game where the weather is too nasty to pass in, it certainly favors the Eagles who’s run defense leads the league only giving up 3.1 yards per carry… And I’ll bet you anything that we force youngin Matt Jones to Fumble on Sunday no matter what the weather is like… Our run defense is too gritty for the young buck..
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Wish we had Kiko to match up with Jordan Reed, curious to see who will spend the most time matched up against him on Sunday.. We could see Barwin spend some time matched up against him, maybe Jenkins, maybe Kendricks(I like him better covering RB coming out the backfield as check down options., possibly Jordan Hicks on Reed? Long shot would be using MS2 size and athleticism In coverage to match up with Reed. We have solid options to deal with him, but this matchup was perfect to really see Kiko’s value taking top TEs out of the game..
Gutted that the Giants-killer is missing the game due to his hamstring…!
lots of hammys for people that didn’t practice, demarco, mccoy, djax
pulled pork
pork knuckle
It’s always striking how many injuries in the modern NFL are non-contact leg injuries. Guys are so fast, so explosive, so powerful, their bodies just don’t have the durability to withstand it over time.
Was hoping sports science would help all that and give us an edge on our side, it hasn’t really worked out that way.
I think science is good in moderation. Reminds me of “just because you can doesn’t mean you should”.
I’ve been teaching yoga to a D3 football program for the past three years (21-4 during this time). Hamstring injuries are the result of strong muscles where the fibers and connective tissue are too constricted. It’s very often a preventable injury with the right kind of pre and post-workout/game stretching
Where or how do you watch the eagles gAmes here in NE.
I live in Vermont and watch with two of my buddies and our families. We all grew up in the Philly area and In a remarkable coincidence, we figured out that we all worked as vendors at Vet Stadium at the same time. My one friend is married to a wonderful Italian woman who is a gourmet cook. She prepares incredible multi-course dishes for us. We’ve been watching together for about 10 years. Some of our kids have grown up and left for college, one grandpa died, but our core group is together and it’s a blast. How about you?
Sounds like shady is going to miss more then,just the Giants game… He also said he won’t comeback TIL he is 100% healthy….
Did we ever get an answer as to why Jaylen Watkins was selected ahead of Bashaud Breeland?
A lot of us like Breeland and he was brought in for a visit if memory serves.
Wonder if this s an example of versatility / character trumping talent in Chip’s eye.
Watkins was the better CB.
I don’t think that’s true, but subjective obviously.
Breeland failed a drug test at the combine.
failed another before this season also
Breeland ran in the 4.6s.
It’s amazing how much 200ms matters. That’s about the average human reaction time.
It actually is one of the things that has statistically shown to be pretty relevant for success.
If a guy runs 4.5s he has to be a big press corner to overcome the speed deficit.
Guys who run worse than that almost never succeed.
Injury?
So did Shepherd.
Breeland is playing well right now.
Tommy. Skip the DGR you might not survive it, Eagles played so bad.
As opposed to the week before? A 24-7 lead at halftime can’t be all bad. We’re mostly ticked it wasn’t 38-7. The second half had lots to complain about to be sure, but it was far from a disaster-bad game.
The building of a dynasty takes small steps. Like Chinese water torture. I’m worried too…… a lot. Yet, I see hope and foresee the future, just like before. Believe.
Peters questionable. I miss Andy Reid injury reports. How do guys keep getting hurt in practice?
He was FP today. Although the Friday practice is usually light. DM is also questionable as is Kendricks, but I bet all three play.
hamstrings and muscles don’t know it’s only practice
Peters was injured in the Jets game. In fact, I don’t believe he returned after hobbling off.
We need him but…..we will find a way to win.
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Who cares??? We will kick his ass either way. This D will hit you.
Exactly!
Who cares? I do. I want to listen, in great detail, to everything Britt McHenry wants to share.
Did you miss last years week 16 game you dumb fuck?
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That extension is a hack you dumb fuck!
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Stink went on Philly Radio tonight (Adam Caplans show) and just ripped chip and the Eagles as badly as I ever heard anyone in the media rip chip, he was flat out calling Chip stupid, mocking us for “revolutionizing the game” as if Chip ever said anything of the sort..
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I really couldn’t believe how badly Stink was ripping
Chip.. To call our coaches stupid is out of line
Who is Stink?
Mark Shlereth… Former Broncos OL turned analyst blowhard
broncos or pats? he’s terrible at everything
Captain Stinky Pinky.
He’s just a salty former Redskin. Yes I think people forget he played for the Skins for 5-6 years. To hell what a guy that thinks so highly of himself thinks.
Damn, I did forget he was a dirty skins prick..,. I can’t stand Stink even when he ISNT talking about the Eagles, he still gets on my Nerves…. I hate that the idiot is always on TV running his mouth
part of that is an act because he knows philly fans will respond to it, just check his twitter. But the guy is another “old guard” blowhard on tv who stays awake at night praying that Chip doesn’t win a Super Bowl. He’s really lazy at his job too which most former players on ESPN are, they go whichever way the winds blows. He has been pumping his chest lately about the Birds starting out poorly, but the genius doesn’t bring up the fact that he said the Lions, Ravens and Saints would “easily” be playoff teams this year….he’s pretty much a troll now on the level of Skip Bayless…matter of fact the other day Skip made him look pretty stupid when Skip asked him why he spends all his time on twitter if everybody on it are “just haters”, Stink was sort of caught of guard and Skip said “that’s kind of a sad way to live”. After that he spent 5 minutes saying how the Skins would dominate every facet of the game against the Giants and that Wash. was the “crown jewel of the NFC east” ….we’ll see how that turns out
little known fact about Stink but he rubbed vaseline on his body and jersey during his run with the Broncos, got caught during a game and was forced to towel himself off
He’s an old fashioned closed minded troll who was just waiting for chip’s offense to hiccup. Don’t know how someone involved in the game so long can know so little, special kind of ignorance. Top of that sounds like he has a personal vendetta if he’s making personal attacks like that.
All about the clicks baby.
huff is probably… Forgot he was even missing, that’s how bad he has been
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Kendricks IMO is definitely going to play after he been sitting back watching rookie LB set the world on fire with like something crazy like 17 sacks, 2 PBU, Sack, INT, Forced Fumble, Fumble recovery and the single biggest play of the season Knockimg Romo out for over two months, and he racked up those stats in about his first 6 quarters of his NFL career.. Nothing will get your players back from an injury faster then seeing a rookie at their position playing so well…. Looking forward to seeing Kendricks/Hicks
Duo, even tho Meco should have a good game against Washington since they are so reliant on the run….
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Seems like Demarco will play unless their is a setback
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CEd Thorntom, if I’m not mistaken, he won’t be playing Sunday (correct me if I’m wrong please).
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Taylor Hart, last I heard, he prob wasn’t going to play this week.. Anyone see an update on him?
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I hadn’t even considered possibly not having JP. I assumed it wasn’t serious since JP has had a history of not finishing games,
Going out at the very end, I remember Westbrook used to rip him for it… I’m assuming he plays Sunday, if he was in serious jeopardy I’d think we would have heard media make a bigger deal about it.
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As for the Skins:
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Desean isn’t even close to returning yet
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Starting ILB Parys Riley is OUT
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Deangelo Hall is Out,,
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Heard Culliver was dealing with a knee issue, anyone know what the latest status for him is?
Thornton and Hart are OUT. Desean, Riley, and Hall are all OUT. Culliver is dealing with an issue as well, more great news. Murray will absolutely play, definitely after watching Mathews light it up last week. I haven’t heard anything on Peters, but it sounds like he should be good to go. That’s all the help I can give brother.
Thanks you sir…be great If Culliver sits out too… Redskins lost their starting Guard to, he great if Bair can victimize hm all game, and get his hands up to bat some of the shorter Cousins passes like he did to Fitzy
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Just get us thru this week on a putrid skins field in terrible weather having grinder out a win, and remaining healthy not losing anyone to injuries
Irving Fryar? Say it isn’t so…
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2013/10/former_philadelphia_eagle_irving_fryar_is_indicted_on_mortgage_fraud_charges.html
At least there were no half naked transvestites included…
Attica! Attica!
Sheesh. Today I also found out that KJ is a scumbag, too. http://deadspin.com/kevin-johnson-sues-sacramento-hides-behind-group-that-1715330856
Phew. I thought it was going to be Keith Jackson.
Wish he got away with it. Better rob the banks than have them rob us like they usually do.
Really hoping the.Saints have some damn pride at home and play with a sense of extreme Urgency aganst Dallas on Sunday… Apparently Drew Brees, Brandin Cooks are playing and even Jarius BYRD who has been stealing money since they broke the bank open for him in free agency, while letting us have jenkins who is playing like one of the top Safeties in the game.. Saints probably could have kept Sproles and Jenkins for less then they gave BYRD… really Really hoping the saints can give Dallas a loss before they get Hardy, McClain and gregory back… Sean Peyton can not allow them to fall to 0-4….we saw the Ravens avoid 0-4, hopefully the Saints can avoid it too at the expense of the cowscum..
PFF idiots have us as the best Safety Tandem in the game right now as the only team that has two safeties ranked in the top 17, I assume Seattle didn’t make the cut because of Kams holdout, but that will change now that he is back… They had,Thurmond as #2 (harrison Smith is their #1), and Jenkns as #11( Earl Thomas was 10th)…,and our 2 Safetis cost less combine then what Byrd makes… If Thurmond and Jenkins stay healthy, thurmond iwllol get extended and they would be fantastic next year after a year under their belt..
Nolan, ROWE and Maxwell will prove to be all the outside cornees e need for These next coup,e years, especially if Denzel Rice grows into a nice corner… If JaCorey Shepard is as talemted as they say, we probably have our secondary of the futire mostly in place
I’m amazed we got Sproles for a 5th
Fly eagles fly on the road to 1-3. Fly eagles fly let the redskins score if you olease.