Sunday Roster Talk – Update
Posted: September 6th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 92 Comments »We have a move.
The Eagles claimed QB Stephen Morris off waivers. He was cut by the Jaguars.
Morris was very up and down in his college career at Miami. At his best, he was impressive. He was just way too inconsistent. He is a solid athlete and at times looks like a good pocket passer. There is something for the coaches to work with.
I can’t say I’m a huge fan of the move, but I’ve got some tape to watch. I didn’t study him in the NFL so maybe he improved and I just didn’t see it.
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As of noon, no moves announced.
The Eagles have one spot open. They are likely going to add a QB. We just don’t know which one. A couple of NFL insider types yesterday mentioned Christian Ponder as a target. Let’s take a look at his highlights (as always…I haven’t screened the background music so be careful about that).
You can see his physical talent. Ponder has excellent mobility. He throws well on the run, which works well in this offense.
There are some terrific pocket throws in that video. The problem is that Ponder doesn’t make then consistently, but he does have the ability to make them. I could see where Chip Kelly could have interest in him as a cheap #3 QB. If ever called into action, he might be able to get you throw a game or two.
I still have interest in Austin Davis, who the Rams cut yesterday. The Eagles might not like him at all. Pure speculation on my part.
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Interesting note from Adam Caplan.
Wouldn't count on #Eagles signing WR Rasheed Bailey to their practice squad if he clears waivers.
— Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) September 6, 2015
I thought Bailey played well enough to earn a spot on the PS, but maybe not. Quite a few talented WRs got cut on Saturday so the Eagles can choose guys they really want.
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If you want to know which players are eligible for the PS, check here. Sam Lynch puts that together every summer and it is a big help.
And if you don’t follow Sam on Twitter, change that. Great source for info. And a nice guy to have a beer with.
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As for enemy info…
Dallas trading for former Seattle RB Christine Michael, per league source. Michael returns to Texas, where he starred at Texas A & M.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) September 6, 2015
Very talented player, but never could put it all together in SEA. Could help Dallas, but far from a slam dunk move.
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Shame…. was hoping Bailey would make it to PS. Feel good story.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/640567175019929600
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANJEpI2TKak
Setphen Morris. He was ok at Miami but never thought he was an NFL QB. I guess, not bad for a 3rd QB or PS player.
https://twitter.com/TesslerSports/status/640566830583652352
nice!
https://twitter.com/TonyPauline/status/640568336619859968
no eagles were claimed off waivers. Theres that nice depth!
surprised no team picked up Goode. did he even have to go through waivers?
https://twitter.com/Tim_McManus/status/640569793481940992
wow how does mostert get through? he’d by my first add, i guess people know that eagles offensive stats are fools gold.
Interesting- Chip said they werent interested in a project QB. Want someone who can play if need be. So Stephen Morris, from UDFA last year, to battle ready today. They must really think highly of him.
I wouldn’t take what he says to the grave guys…. a lot of you hang on every word he says. Maybe he said that knowing he didn’t want a veteran to mislead other teams/agents..
Yeah right. You better hope you never have to see him in a game, unless it’s the 4th quarter of a blowout in mop-up duty.
Chip lies, A lot.
I suppose you’d rather have him tell the entire league what his plans are and who he wants to pick up. There are reasons why coaches don’t tell us everything they plan.
I’m not complaining…. just stating a fact
He…..obfuscates.
Ive always found Chip to be very honest since he has been in Philly.
Wow Billy Davis is going to have a film presentation on how to get the ball from Christine Michael.
“Supremely talented runner in space but hasn’t shown the ability to follow blocks, secure the football, and not release mixtapes while training. Probably uncoachable.
“The Seahawks have tried to get him to carry the football on the proper side while running but he hasn’t done so.” (Field Gulls comments)
His blocking and receiving is undeveloped to the point where his presence on the field suggests a run. I doubt they’ll have him on the field much in the first game.
He’s gonna give us a fumble or two. Our LBs and DBs like to strip
Coming out of MIami in last year’s draft, Morris looked to have a pretty low ceiling. Here’s his draft profile:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/stephen-morris?id=2543731
The good news, he’s still a kid. A kid who is very athletic, who’s looks to have less of a transition to make than Michael Vick had at the age of 23. Is throwing open his receivers something he can learn? He’s got the arm strength to deliver the ball on time, and he believes in himself, which cannot be taught. If he’s here on the PS, I will be anxious to see him in next year’s pre-season games.
yeah big hands, fast 10yd, 40yd, otherwise seems like a nobody. But i think if you’re on your 3rd QB you probably need someone that can play sandlot and create, don’t think you’re going to get a pocket slinger.
From the bottom line, who does this sound like…
“Teases evaluators with his arm and athletic talent, but must prove he can hone his accuracy and decision-making. Has moldable talent for a backup role and enough raw tools to pique the interest of a patient quarterbacks coach.”
I think we may have the beginning of a trend forming in our third string, developmental QB.
I don’t know. I watched Tebow pretty closely for 3 of his 4 years at Florida, and I never felt there was a nascent talent that one could pin their hopes on. His greatest quality by far is his leadership, but he lumbers with the ball, and has only ever been capable as a passer in set plays. I honestly thought when he was guiding the Gators to 2 national championships, that his only chance to possibly make it in the NFL would be as a tight end. I admit I was curious when Kelly signed him, to see if his throwing motion looked improved, but as bad as that was, it was not his biggest challenge, in my opinion. Now Jay Cutler, Rex Grossman, Colin Kaepernik, and Matthew Stafford, to name a few, are what I would label as teases, but not Tebow or Barkley. They are who you were referencing, right?
Tebow was, yes.
The game of reading Chip’s mind: Morris may be a fallback option and they are going to talk to guys that aren’t claimed like Austin Davis. The contract they get has two years left at the league minimum, so if there’s interest in him it makes sense to claim him. They could move him to PS later.
Morris is fast with an elite arm. He didn’t run much and was known to be inaccurate on easy passes and make questionable decisions. Chip could have picked him up last year but then he still had Barkley on the roster. As always he sees something and has some sort of plan.
it’s interesting b/c there’s WAY better/more established QBs out there, Davis, Renner looked good as a developmental guy, matt cassel is a distributor who I think could run the offense. But again maybe they just churn guys at that 3rd qb spot.
You’re WAY exaggerating.
Re-posted from previous thread. Good read on QB Stephen Morris.
http://www.stateoftheu.com/2014/2/18/5420620/nfl-draft-preview-the-curious-case-of-stephen-morris
Thanks for aharing..good read. I’m fine with him as a 3rd qb..
Bringing Pratt back on the practice squad. What a waste.
He supposedly developed in to some great deep threat this year, and then did nothing all pre-season long. What do they still see in him?
probably need someone that can simulate speed on the scout team. Might also play some role in the people we keep on PS
oh yay. ed reynolds back on the practice squad too.
Reynolds I think is a good call. There is a shortage of safeties and Ed has potential. Pratt is a disappointment.
Agree …Mostert , Diaheem, Reynolds good moves. Hopefully Evans , Mihalik, Tomlinson . Liked Bailey and Martino but the bottom line is we’re flat out loaded with weapons so whatever on Pratt.
If we are looking for a safety who doesnt fit what we do, Id much rather Hackett.
F New Orleans for stealing ObOOM!
2013 QB Story: “Miami’s Stephen Morris has look of Franchise QB”. Say WHAT???
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000226491/article/miamis-stephen-morris-has-look-of-nfl-franchise-quarterback
Wow that was some high praise from Mayock, and i really value his opinion. his evaluations are usually pretty accurate.he also said Bryn Renner was the most polished QB there and had a lot of desirable traits
I am fine with 6 PS signings-Boyko and Bunche on OL, Skinner and Watkins at LB, Evans at CB and Mostert at RB. I can’t understand signing Reynolds, who gets run over whenever he tries to block or tackle anyone. They kept the toughest best tacklers on the 53 and then sign this guy to the PS. It’s inconsistent and makes no sense to me. There has to be a better WR available then Pratt. I would have much preferred Bailey. I hope they sign Mihalik.
yep
If we have an injury it’s best to have someone who knows the system. There is only one real S backup on the team. And that person might have to play in a nickel situation (if Thurmond is moved to nickel CB). Which means even one injury and we may need a safety. Not sure we can do much better than Reynolds frankly until this coming offseason.
I’ve read that Stephen Morris was added to the 53 man roster. Isn’t he available for the practice squad. I haven’t read anything on that possibility?
He’s on the 53 but eligible for PS later according to Greg on previous thread. Special thanks to Greg for clarification.
You cant put players claimed from waivers on the practice squad. They go to the 53.
I thought they cleared waivers after 1pm and could be signed to any PS? Example; Jaylen Watkins just signed to Bills practice Squad.
they did. but we claimed Morris on waivers.
Teams could submit waiver claims on players released yesterday. They had until 12 p.m. today to submit such claims. If multiple teams claimed a certain player, the player was awarded to the team that had the worst record last year(basically based on the draft order). A player claimed on waivers takes up a spot on their 53-man roster and thus a team must release a player for each player claimed. If a player wasn’t claimed by any team on waivers, then they are said to have “cleared” waivers. Players who have cleared waivers can be signed to any team’s PS.
You talked good about Christian Ponder. Wash out your mouth, with soap, and then SHUT IT! ?:~)
More seriously, there’s a good reason why Ponder didn’t get picked up and Morris did (though I wonder why not trade Barkley for Thomas straight up). Christian Ponder cannot make it past his first read, usually. Understands the offense, sure, but has no real on-field command of the offense. If things go to shit, he usually can be expected to flub it. Not to mention…hey, remember how we ding Matt Barkley for arm? Ponder has roughly the same *usable* arm strength. Arm is better than Barkley, but he’s not accurate when throwing very hard.
There’s a reason why Joe Webb has more love in the league. Of course, some from me, too, but there are more members of his fan club, I promise!
Agree shah8, Ponder was not acceptable, even for PS.
Not eligible anyways. I do wonder where he will end up. I don’t see a very open field for 2nd QB, and I doubt he or teams desire a 3rd QB spot.
CFL?
Doubt it. Dude was always fairly prideful.
I’ve just thought of the Rams. Can maybe beat out Keenum. Browns, of course. Ravens? Atlanta? Detroit? Think that’s about it.
As was said about Tebow, the CFL game needs quarterbacks who can throw! Downfield, with accuracy. Only 3 downs, with a wider longer field. The CFL, just like the NFL, wants QBs who can make quick reads, etc.
Wondered why no one was responding to anything in the previous thread. Didn’t realize a new one had started.
Welcome. Gave you credit below on a post. Couldn’t remember your last name, sorry.
Jaylen Watkins just signed to Bills practice Squad
Hooray, I know GEagle will be angry but I’m glad.
Why would I be angry? He was cut already, why would I care which team he signed with? If we valued him. He would have never been exposed to waivers.
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My only beef is that if Chip was this serious about Rice making the roster, then Rice should have seen some snaps playing against ones and two’s
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I wouldn’t have cut jaylen who still has upside and untapped potential for BIGS who is average at best on a good day..
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I’m good with the roster they selected. Every year there are roster surprises that are unexpected… My only real concern is I don’t believe in playing rookie corners, so depth scares me… We have 5 corners, 2 of which are rookies who I prefer sitting on the bench all year.. So if an injury occurs, I will be very concerned…… Nothing to do but hope that BIGS turns out to be much better then the impression I have Of him being a pigeon on the skins who we could pick on.
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On one hand I hate that Chip is basically wiping his ass with 4th and 5th round picks, on the other hand I see value in a coach who just wants to keep the best players and ISNT governed by where guys were drafted or how much they make… Best players should play….. With that said, if we are being honest, chip gets a F for FAILURE in terms of using his 4th and 5th round picks.. So it’s hard to be excited about losing depth(boykin) for an extra 4th round pick that probably won’t be an eagle two years from now… NEEDS TO START GETTING BETTER VALUE OUT OF ROUNDS 4 and 5..
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I’d be more upset about not having Bailey on the PS then who jaylen signed with… I like the Bills, and wouldnt be surprised if he flourishes under Rex..
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Man, this is the last weekend without an NFL game, we get to stamped the Falcons 8 days from now…. No reason to be angry, especially by bottom of the roster moves
Nice..gets to go and play with his brother
Actually, practice against his brother.
Was my first guess, brother there.
We should have kept him.
does the new QB qualify for PS? If so why not just keep him there and open a spot on the 53.
no. he has eligibility if it werent for the fact that we got him off waivers. Waiver claims go to the 53.
Gotcha. Should of just waited for him to clear, doubt he would of been picked up, oh well.
yeah…
No he would have been free to sign on anyone’s practice squad and may have stayed with Jags. This ensures they got him.
We haven’t been reported to have signed Eric Tomlinson to the PS and we definitely need a TE on it. I wonder if they’re looking for someone that wasn’t in camp.
Tomlinson is just a guy.
QB Stephen Morris highlights. Since it is a slow day…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=131&v=e5TFXgCnZeI
I regret not watching Josh Andrews snaps this preseason…. Wonder how much longer he needs to be developed before he can leapfrog Molk for the #2 Center spot?.. He won’t be able to move as well as MOLK in our run game, but Josh has size,and power that MOLK lacks, So he should be able to hold his ground better and not get pushed back into Bradfords face. Or God forbid, Knees….Glad to have a center on our bench with some size and strength being developed…
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Wonder how far Josh is Today from being able to overthrow MOLK as Kelce’s Primary backup? Wonder how Far Josh is from catching up to Tobin and Dennis Kelly as Guards?.. Regret not paying more attention to him in the preseason
You won’t rest until MOLK is gone lol.
Watched Morris in Jags vs Redskins condensed game on nflgamepass (pay site replacement for nfl rewind). Full game. While I’m not in love with him, he looked slightly better than Renner has in game and a half … in this one game. Two receiver drops easy. He ran a few read option plays and delayed handoffs but didn’t run it. Improved from Miami though way too small sample size. His game looks tighter.
Good footwork usually, very calm in pocket (no Barkley unsteady almost happy feet), surveys field and goes through progressions.
I saw almost all pocket passing, literally not much running out of pocket but he got rid of ball well and pass rush only got to him once or twice. Jags gashed Redskins D with some nice zone option/ delayed handoff runs.
Liked what I saw, he has had good fundamentals coaching although he does flick ball at times , he just turned 23 but I’m not sure he has a really high ceiling. Really tough to judge pocket feel and presence in this game. He had it but he wasn’t under duress much which could also be because of him.
Needs some bulk, very much reminds me of Kevin Kolb with his build.
Eagles signed 6’5 TE Chris Pantale to the PS. Big guy and I know nothing about him.
BGN has a rundown on the Eagles’ 10 PSrs — including your man, Pantale.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/9/6/9269705/philadelphia-eagles-practice-squad-raheem-mostert-rasheed-bailey-ed-reynolds-chris-pantale
mmmmm…more m guys that is chip’s thing…my favorites today were Mostert, Mihalik, Morris, Malcolm, Martino…
No Rasheed Bailey and no Diaheem Watkins on PS. When I saw that we had signed Skinner to the PS, I doubted we’d sign Watkins too. That’s enough LBs. Skinner can play ILB and OLB.
Full PS:
RB Raheem Mostert
WR Freddie Martino
WR Quran Pratt
TE Chris Pantale
OT Brett Boyko
OG Malcolm Bunche
DE Brian Mihalik
LB Deontae Skinner
CB Randell Evans
S Ed Reynolds
I like that they are still working with Evans and Reynolds. Just don’t get Pratt over Bailey
Very happy to continue developing reynolds. Mihalik, MOSTERT, BUNCHE and Evans….. But I really don’t understand Pratt over Bailey.
for starters. I think out of all the 3rd string WRs, Bailey made the most of his opportunities… Pratt spent a year on our PS but I’m not seeing growth rate worth continuing to invest another year into his development. Thought he struggled with drops in the first two games, while Baley caught everything thrown his way…For a kid with a better pedigree, who our coaches worked with for an entire year, I didn’t see Pratt looking so much better then this division 3 kid who did nothing but fake advantage of every,opportunity he was given.. Pratt picked it up a little in the last two games, but Baily was much more consistent….With the growth rate Bailey displayed, im surprised chip ISNT intruiged to see how much the D3 kid can improve with a year of player development, NFL training, playing against pro competition.. I would be really intruiged to see how much more the hungry D3 kid can grow, and I didn’t see the growth in Pratt I wanted to see to justify another year on the PS… I would have kept both Martino and Bailey over Pratt….. But in reality, we only saw a small fraction of the body of work that was used to evaluate these kids..
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Even if he isn’t going tp be on our practice squad, I hope we give him n invite like we gave Momah, to work on his game on his own this year and next offseason we would invite him to see how much he has grown…I think he has at least earned that..
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I really liked Tomilson, as a big, powerful, gritty TE who we could Develope as a blocker but who is a better pass catcher then you woulld expect… But I Know NOTHING about Mr. Pantale, so while I really liked Tomilsons potential, ‘Mr. Pantale must be an,upgrade,.. At least I hope…
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Watkins flashed a little more then Skimmer did from what I saw, but both young LBs were active and made plays.. I assume Skinner performed better on ST to earn the nod over Watkins for this ST spot…
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It’s a shame, give me Bailey instead of Pratt and I would really like this years PS….. Wonder who the low man is on that PS totem pole?
We should do tinge to churn the backend of the roster aka “mining for hidden football gems”. curious to see which of those players get cut when someone WW grade higher becomes available?
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The Only thng that for me could have made it better was Jaylen Watkins instead of Randall Evans, Biley instead of Pratt… I like Tomilson, but I know nothing of Mr. Pantale so I have no opinion on that..
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Still, for the most part Im happy and getting pretty jacked up for atlanta
Another year, another opening day without a local college kid at WR drafted or signed as a RFA by the Birds on the roster, practice squad, or — for those who remember — on the “taxi squad.”
Last time the Eagles opened the season with a local college kid at WR?
A long time ago.
1970 – Billy Walik, Villanova
* an 11th Rd pick in ’70. Wore No. 9.
* Almost exclusively a KR/PR.
* Had only 2 career receptions.
– His first came against Green Bay his rookie year — in which he also set his career long with an 82 yard kick-return.
– Walik’s only other reception was also his only career TD reception. It came very late in the 4th Q of the final game of the ’72 season — in what turned out to be final game of Walik’s career — against the Cardinals.
Note: Walik’s last and only TD catch was also the last TD pass thrown by Eagles 1972 1st Rd pick, QB John Reaves.
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In 1999, ‘Nova WR Brian Finneran made the Eagles roster out of TC. But he’d graduated college in ’98.
Vince Papale attended St. Joe’s. But didn’t play football there. And he was far from a rookie his first year as a STer Extraordinaire for Dick Vermeil’s first three Eagles teams (’76-’78).
In 2005, the Eagles picked up ex-Washington WR Dernerian McCants from Delaware State. Not a rookie. And tainted by his Washington connection.
Waived after 3 games by Reid. Had the juggling drop in Reid’s first regular season game as HC late in the 4th Q on a potentially win-clinching long pass down the left sideline that Cards’ Kwamie Lassiter intercepted and returned deep into Eagles’ territory to set up AZ’s game-winning FG.)
Pratt’s from Rutgers and is from Palmyra.
im getting so giddy with excitement at the thought of, two short weeks from now, we will be kicking the Dallas Cowboys ASS making a STATEMENT!!
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After years of the schedule makers making us wait months to play Dallas, or have us play them twice in 3 weeks…. It’s so great to know we don’t have to wair long to smack those bitches in the face.. Two weeks fom today, dallas is getting TRAMPLED..Eagles Runningbacks account for 270 yards..
Huh..Stephen Morris as our 3rd QB? Never thought that would happen. Morris has the physical tools but he just doesn’t have the mental make up or touch to drop it into a WRs arms. If you thought Brett Hundley stunk then you’d hate Morris. Although, he is an interesting project.
He has plenty of touch…if anything he doesn’t have enough zip/velocity or he’s just inaccurate.
Zip and velocity isn’t his issue. Ball placement is not his strong suit.
This highlight video shows a lot of good ball placement to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=131&v=e5TFXgCnZeI
Notice how his highlights are so short? Even Tebow looks good in highlights. You’re going to have to go through his breakdowns.
A little off topic but to me the NFL NETWORK commentators are the worst….to me they are unwatchable. They are all ex patriots or cowboys and their former teams can do no wrong and they never have any serious football discussions, just silly back & forth inside joke banter. Keep mike mayock, kurt warner, baldy and can the rest!!
I lost all respect for Willy MCguinest when he started giggling like a 12-year-old about the Suggs hit at Bradford’s knees.