Execution
Posted: October 5th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 328 Comments »Chip Kelly says there is one key thing wrong with the Eagles: execution.
I think he’s right.
To many people, this comes across as some kind of excuse. That is not the case. Poor execution is the answer. There is no excuse.
Think about three critical errors from Sunday. Darren Sproles dropped a pass on 3rd down that would have put the Eagles at the WAS 40 in the 4th quarter. Jordan Matthews dropped a 3rd down pass late in the game that would have kept a drive going. Nelson Agholor lined up incorrectly and that cost the Eagles a TD late in the 1st half.
Sproles is a terrific receiver with 433 career catches. He normally snatches that ball. Matthews is coming off a very good rookie year and has played well this season. Normally he makes that catch. Agholor might be a rookie, but not lining up on the line of scrimmage with a TE to your side is basic football that goes back to his days as a kid. Agholor is a smart player. He should have paid attention and moved back.
Those three simple errors might have been the difference in winning and losing. Basic execution. You aren’t asking players to do something they can’t. You aren’t asking them to go above and beyond.
The situation would be very different if Trey Burton had a key drop. He doesn’t have an extended history as a pass catcher in college or the NFL. It would be different if DeMarco Murray was split out wide and lined up incorrectly. He’s not a guy that does that very often.
Think back to 2012, painful as that might be. Andy Reid got too cute in some key situations. The Eagles threw a goal line pass to OL Matt Tennant, who dropped it. The game was close at the time, but Cincy went on to take control of that game. In a late season game against Washington, Reid designed a pass play to go to TE Evan Moore, who had been with the team less than a week. Certainly the defense wouldn’t expect him to be the target on 1st and goal with 11 seconds left. Moore was open, but couldn’t make the catch.
Those were technically execution errors because the design of the play worked, but the design was flawed because it didn’t take into account who the players were and what was asked of them.
Kelly isn’t asking players to do something they can’t. For some reason, players are simply making mistakes.
Identifying the problem is fine, but solving it is the tricky part. I honestly don’t know how you do that.
How do you get a baseball player out of a slump? You go over the fundamentals, but at a certain point it is up to the hitter to see the pitch and make a good swing. Kelly trusts his players. He will keep throwing to Sproles and Matthews. He expects them to deliver most of the time.
The frightening thought is what if the team keeps screwing up. We could be looking at 2007 all over again. The 2006 Eagles were good. The 2008 Eagles were good. The 2007 team was not good. They were the masters of losing close games.
GB – Torturous loss. RZ issues. Takeo Spikes dropped an easy INT. Greg Lewis failed to field a punt late in the game and the Eagles lost 16-13.
WAS – The Skins got a TD late in the half (weird circumstances). The Eagles drove deep late in the game, but Kevin Curtis couldn’t hold on to a pass from McNabb and they lost 20-12.
CHI – Torturous loss. Eagles were 1 for 4 in the Red Zone and led 16-12 with 1:57 left. Bears started at their 3-yard line. They drove down for the winning TD and won 19-16. Incredibly weird play in the game. From ESPN:
The Bears caught a break in the fourth on a bad snap that seemed disastrous, but instead turned out to be only a 5-yard penalty. On an apparent bit of miscommunication, the snap sailed through Griese’s legs and was recovered by safety Sean Considine, who took off running.
Because the ball was snapped beyond a quarterback under center, the play was whistled dead and Chicago was hit with a false start. The Bears settled for Robbie Gould‘s 45-yard field goal that ticked off an upright for a 12-9 lead.
NE – Banged up Eagles at great Pats. No Dawk. No McNabb. Eagles played terrific, but AJ Feeley threw 3 INTs, including a pick-six to Asante Samuel. Lost 31-28. Led in the 4th quarter.
SEA – Torturous loss. Feeley was 19 of 42 and threw 4 INTs. Eagles trailed 28-24 late. Brian Westbrook ran a punt back to the SEA 10 with 1:16 left. Feeley was picked off to seal the game.
NYG – Eagles led ugly game 10-6 in mid-3rd. Giants scored 10 straight points to go up 16-10. Eagles got inside the 10-yard line, but had to settle for a FG. David Akers had 57-yarder to tie with seconds left, but just missed.
The Eagles finished that year 8-8. They were 5-8 before winning the final three games of the year. The team started 0-2 and didn’t get back to .500 until they were 5-5. That team was only blown out once all year (DAL 38-17), but they made crucial mistakes that kept them from winning.
Sound familiar?
Kelly has to figure out which buttons to push to get the current Eagles to snap out of their funk. At a certain point, people will quit caring why the Eagles are struggling. All they will talk about is the struggling.
There is a ton of time left in the 2015 season, but the Eagles can’t afford to keep digging this hole deeper. Things are tough enough at 1-3.
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The problem wasn’t those plays, its needing those plays. They needed those plays from not being good enough during the rest of the game.
I know many people are saying that we can still win the division. That’s all well and good but I don’t want to have to back into the playoffs by way of a crappy division. We should easily be in the lead of the division with this team with the only loss coming from a seemingly good Atlanta team at home.
why not? Giants did it twice in 5 years and have 2 rings to show for it. Just get in doesn’t matter how.
they had a pass rush
And a QB (Eli is capable of playing QB for stretches).
Because if we make the playoffs it means Bradford has emerged.
And at that point it’s just a matter of rebuilding the OL, which this OL class matches up well for, and getting better pass rush (not a great group in draft, gonna have to get creative)
You think they can fix the line this season? I still can’t figure out why they are this bad at run blocking but not terrible at protecting bradford. that makes me hope that the talent is there for improvement and its on chip/stoutland to figure out how to put them in positions to execute better.
If we get Lane, Peters healthy, and Kelce out of his own head, maybe. I think tobin can be at least solid at RG.Barbre really concerns me. It’s not just a physical thing either, he’s a 9 year vet playing like a camp body UDFA.
That stroll down memory lane does not make me feel good about this season. Also makes me wonder why the team seems cursed with key injuries, random poor team play, and over all stupid play at random points through its recent history.
I think it never quite totally crashed and did a rebuild like needed. You just had a second rising with Andy with Vick momentarily and then it all fell apart.
This cornerback named Williams on the Seahawks has been playing well so far. Why doesn’t Chip bring in guys like him?
The same corner ypu most likely spent years
Crying about when he was here? That Cary?
Hey look, GEAGLE is being an asshole for no reason!
HEY GEAGLE! Remember when you said Nick “Rainmaker” FOles would never be traded?
You sure you want to call out other people for being wrong, when you’ve been wrong COUNTLESS times?
Or you gonna just continue acting like a baby all over the board and whining about everything and everyone?
Get a life dude!
That Williams looks good in Seattle and Maxwell has been burnt toast here tells you all you need to know about how much of the latter’s success with the Seahawks was due to his scheme/surrounding cast vs. his talent.
The Lions are applying pressure to Wilson and have been rewarded with 2 fumbles, one being returned for a TD. Pressure on defense. What a novel concept.
Its not like the defense has been the main reason the team has been losing games, though. They have been causing turnovers, so the pressure is there, just not the sack numbers. The offense just hasn’t done a whole lot with those turnovers when they get the ball back.
Honestly, I think back a bit about the Eagles teams that were “on the verge” during the Reid era and this one, and there’s MUCH more accountability now than there was back then. Kelly is challenging his players, putting it on them to step up, Reid said “it’s all me”, over and over.
A month ago, the Eagles were a “hot” favorite to win the Super Bowl, the Falcons had no chance with a crap running game and a shaky defense, and a whole bunch of other crap that doesn’t really matter once the games start. The difference between this year and last is that the opportunistic plays are happening to our opponents, not us. Try to remember that we were only 10-6 by miraculous special teams last year, and we should have actually been 11-5, maybe 12-4 if not for late defensive/offensive breakdowns (Skins and Boys games were both winnable, with us in the lead).
With that said, what burns me most about the ‘Skins loss is that Davis was surprised that the freakin’ Jay Gruden beat us by going to the tactic that the Saints used to beat us in the Playoffs in ’13: rely on runs when a pass is expected. Short passes in the middle to move the chains because the long pass isn’t going to go. It’s our freakin’ game plan from weeks 1-3!
The team has seen it before, and the coordinator should have seen it and called timeout once just to let the players know what was happening. For all the chatter, remember that Castillo was fired for 4th quarter breakdowns, nothing else. I hate to say it, but good teams recognize things like that and close it off.
Good post and Davis did emerge this week relatively unscathed. If this team ends up say 6-10/5-11 and the defense is mediocre, Davis will be the one who falls on the sword this offseason.
Davis went unscathed because the offense was way more offensive.
Was it John McKay coaching an early, bad TB Bucs team got asked at a post-game “What do you think of the o-line’s execution?” and replied “I’m in favor of it” or am I thinking of someone else?
you are correct, i think the question was “what do you think about the offense”
actually you are right, the term “execution” was the point of the question. You should check out a list of his quips somewhere, he was entertaining
I agree, but I just can’t get behind this offensive scheme. It’s worked really well when all the players executed, but it was also exposed by elite defenses over the years, and sometimes by lack of what we all thought were obvious adjustments that needed to be made during some games. I would just rather see a huddle, and a lot of downfield running from behind center. We have an awesome defense this year, but they never get too play with the lead(early in games), and they’re always on the field because we can’t get first downs consistently. With this O-line we need a hard count to throw defenses off, and we need to try and take some time off the clock, to keep ours off the field. I know this is never what Chip Kelly is going to do, and that’s fine. I just can’t get behind it
Yea we should run the Texans offense then we would win. Bill O’Brien is a great head coach! They have fullbacks!
Wait.
Gus Bradley is a defense first, smash mouth run game! That’s awesome!
Shit.
Or we could realize that there is nothing wrong with the scheme and stop acting like there is. Huddling will totally make guys catch balls and OL not whiff blocks. Hacky national analyst have told me so.
You realize that there’s ways to disagree with other people without being a condescending prick, right?
If they are going to rely on shitty narrative I’m going to mock it.
You have a tendency to fall into the straw man fallacy a lot on here. Whenever someone says something that, while not utterly and unthinkably stupid, is something you don’t agree with, you immediately mock it mercilessly.
But, really, you’re not even mocking what they actually said. Instead, you assume that everyone who doesn’t agree with your view point must be the most clueless, unknowledgable football fan since fakewipcaller and you exaggerate their statement to an absurd level and more often than not atribute viewpoints to the other person that are not at all in line with what they actually said.
You’re clearly knowledgable about football schemes, particularly when it comes to offensive line blocking schemes, but you’d probably get a whole lot less blow back if you’d just take a breath and try to have a discussion with some of the people on here instead of always creating these ridiculous straw man that you can condescendingly lecture people on.
I can put quotes around his comment and attribute it to Heath Evans.
Do I get glib? Yep. But by the 19th time i’ve seen “narrative flavor of the month” I tend to get testy.
I disagree what I argued was a strawman. He asserts that the uptempo spread is somehow inherently flawed, and that a huddling down hill fullback offensive attack is superior, because “it can win anywhere anytime”. So I pointed out that’s a really dumb argument by citing two offenses that run his preferred style, with coaches who were hot commodities in the last few years.
I get frustrated. Becuase while it’s great that IB has grown in the last few years, the quality of comments has also dropped precipitously. I overwhelmingly lean towards thoughtful explanation, but I’m human.
But that’s the thing. He said none of those things you just mentioned. You’re arguing with Heath Evans, but directing you’re comments and sarcasm at someone who said nothing close to the absurdity that regularly comes out of Heaths mouth.
All Erik said was that he’d prefer a more downhill, rather than lateral rushing attack with our current offensive line and that he’d like to see us rush from under center, with the use of a hard count to slow down the penetration from the opposing defense. And, that he’d like to see us slow down a bit, take some time off the clock and give our defense, which is are strength when it’s not totally gassed, a breather.
These are all reasonable statements even if you disagree with them. Nothing at all hyperbolic about his statements. In his initial statement, he doesn’t assert at all that the uptempo spread is inherently flawed. He asserts that it’s not helping or working with our current personnel. He doesn’t mention a full back at all. He doesn’t say anything about it needing to be able to win anywhere until after you already had responded in a dickish manner.
So you pointed out that an argument he hadn’t even made was absurdly stupid by pointing towards the worst most extreme examples of why the argument he hadn’t made doesn’t work. This by definition is a straw man.
You mean the majority of offenses in the league* But that’s none of my business
Yes I played college ball.
And there is absolutely nothing fundamentally flawed about a no huddle spread.
The part that bothers me is this “the old way is better” nonsense. Call me a hipster, but you would also be the old man yelling at people to get off his lawn.
And as I pointed out in my previous comment even you’re idealized offense doesn’t work at any time against any opponent in any situation. So you’re entire argument is shit.
I would argue we had just such a situation yesterday when Kelly called that double reverse that Agholor botched. Why get cute when they were having enough trouble executing basic plays? And especially after Agholor had already had that IF penalty.
I think the reverse was a good call. If Ags doesn’t fumble and scores, are we even questioning that call?
The All-22 shows Agholor would have had a ton of space if he had just held on.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQlv8yfVAAASUxd.jpg
Seems like this team always has a ton of missed opportunities. I am torn between excitement at the thought of them putting it all together and frustration at what might have been…
It was the same thing last year. We keep shooting ourselves; only this year we don’t have the defense and ST getting TDs
There’s such parity in the league that most teams besides a few outliers on either side make approximately the same amount of big plays every game. Most games, each team is presented with a similar amount of “opportunities” to either score points or stop the other teams. The difference is that good teams don’t let those opportunities go to waste. They convert their big plays into points, the convert their red zone opportunities into points, they finish when they get a team in third and long, they don’t always make more plays, but they make sure to make the plays when they matter most.
If he held on and good blocking, that is a TD
We had them on their heels after Agholor’s 45 yard catch. The very last thing the Redskins expected was that reverse. The main difference between Tommy’s example and Agholor’s play is Agholor is much, much more of a capable play maker than the TE’s.
Agholor played RB in high school and have also done reverses before.
If penalty came last drive of first half. The fumble reverse (not a double) was earlier.
It was a good play call. Agholor has extensive experience with jet sweeps and reverse plays at USC.
Of course the league “misses” a call in SEA
I honestly don’t understand the reason for that rule though.
I didn’t even know it was a rule, but I’m only upset the refs didn’t know. I don’t think the Lions should lose because of that even if it is silly
i thought about the rule when the seattle defender knocked it away, because i remember a few years ago a punter or qb knocking a ball out of bounds and they were penalized or something like that….i forget what happened but it’s when i first noticed there was a rule change in a player voluntarily swatting a ball out of bounds
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/sports/fanduel-draftkings-fantasy-employees-bet-rivals.html
Employees are using insider information to bet on other similar sites and making lots of profit? This is about as surprising as the ending to a crappy, heavily-cliched romantic comedy.
It’s a shame too because I really like playing on Fanduel. I’m not in a money class where what they’re doing really affects me but, I’d hate to see the whole thing go in the toilet because the execs are douchebags.
Difference this year Tommy is that this team could likely win the NFC East at 8-8 especially if they can go 3-1 in their remaining NFC East games. The division is that bad unless the Giants are better than I thought because Manning has an unexpected great season.
I just don’t see this team capable of going 7-5 or better from here on out.
team is hard to watch against bad teams
Here’s something to add to your depression and misery.
We obviously paid Demarco Murray big bucks to come in and be the guy to run our downhill, 1 cut running game.
Well, we all know that the running game has been putrid and we’ve been hell bent on making that damn outside stretch run work, but just how putrid has Murray been for us?
Right now he has 29 carries for 47 yards, or 1.6 YPC. Terrible I know right?
But consider this.
30 of those yards came on 1 run.
The other 28 runs have gone for 17 yards. Now I’m no math genius, but my calculator tells me that on those other 28 runs, he is averaging 0.6 YPC.
This is failure on an unprecedented level. Thank god for Ryan Mathews making the run game at least embarrassingly bad instead of historically inept, with his 4 YPC on 31 carries.
Combine Mathews and Murray, and our power run game tandem has 62 carries for 179 yards, or 2.9 YPC. Putrid, awful, woeful, but perhaps not comically historically bad.
That’s what our 12 million a year backfield has bought us.
I don’t think you can blame the RBs…. guys are in the backfield before the backs even get the ball.
Even when Mathews had a good game against the Jets, he was breaking tackles before he got to the LOS. The OL cannot run block and now they can only sometimes pass block
To make it clear, I’m not blaming the RB’s, simply pointing out the failure of the run game overall. In fact, in a subtle way, I’m criticizing how our failure to produce a quality OL this year has really fucked our offense sideways.
What I don’t get is why he is spending so much on RBs and cheaping out on OL. Barry Sanders aside, OL does the heavy lifting, that’s known.
Actually, his allocation of resources has been mystifying across the board and it doesn’t get better, but that’s another conversation.
21+ million to your QB’s.(Due to inability to get Bradford to restructure.) And we’ve seen “quarter” signs from Bradford but the NFL is played for four quarters, not one and a nickel. What hurts isn’t the trade, but the damn SECOND ROUND PICK you gave up for Bradford.
GM Chip has no understanding of value.
The RB are literally the only players I don’t blame
They’re running OZ because the IZ hasn’t been working. You have it backwards.
But the OZ is doing worse than the IZ!!! our OZ right now is pure absolute shit, if I have to watch Demarco Murray get swarmed by 3 defenders in the backfield on an OZ one more time this season I’ll probably do something drastic like bitch about it on Igglesblitz again.
It was working quite a bit better this weekend than in previous weeks.
We’re running outside zone because the inside zone hasn’t been working.
“Kelly isn’t asking players to do something they can’t. For some reason, players are simply making mistakes.”
Very well said Tommy, you summed up how i feel about this team in one sentence. I still believe this is a talented team, but guys are making silly mistakes, and not nearly enough plays. Even up front, im not saying Barbre and Gardner or Tobin are anything great…..but it’s like they have never played before. Even the dependable guys like Kelce, Lane and Peters look completely lost. Many people thought the o-line was a concern, but nobody could have predicted this.
Why are the guys making silly mistakes?
The funny thing about the improvement from 2007 to 2008, a team that stumbled to 8-8 vs a team that was making one more play away from going to the Super Bowl, is that the roster didn’t change all that much at all, and the coaching and schemes stayed the same. And, you know what’s even stranger? Every single one of the major players on the team had either fairly identical numbers or a slightly better year statistically in 2007 than they had in 2008.
2007 McNabb: 61.5%, 19TD, TD% of 4%, 7 INT, INT% of 1.5%, 7.0 YPA, 236 rushing yards
2008 McNabb: 60.4%, 23TD, TD% of 4%, 11 INT, INT% of 1.9%, 6.9 YPA, 147 rushing yards
2007 Westbrook: 1333 yards, 4.8 ypc, 7TD, 90rec, 771 yards, 5TD
2008 Westbrook: 936 yards, 4.0 ypc, 9TD, 54rec, 402 yards, 5TD
2007 Buckhalter: 314 yards, 5.0 ypc, 4TD
2008 Buckhalter: 249 yards, 4.2 ypc, 2TD
2007 Kevin Curtis: 77 rec, 1110 yards, 6TD
2008 Kevin Curtis: 33 rec, 390 yards, 2TD
2007 Reggie Brown: 61 rec, 780 yards, 6TD
2008 DeSean Jackson: 62 rec, 912 yards, 2TD
2007 Trent Cole: 12.5 sacks
2008 Trent Cole: 9 sacks
Even as a team almost all of their stats are identical, TOP, points per drive on both offense and defense, yards per drive, plays per drive, by every statistical measure the teams look nearly identical.
And yet, look at points scored vs points surrendered:
2007: 336 to 300
2008: 416 to 289
Despite even having similar records 8-8 vs 9-6-1 and their low-seeding in the NFC playoffs, Football Outsiders calculated that the 2008 Eagles were the best team in the league, play-for-play. They were the most efficient team in the league by a wide margin. They didn’t make more plays they just didn’t waste their good plays. When they completed a 45 yard bomb at a critical moment they didn’t waste that big chunk of yards they just gained to the stats book by fumbling on the next play, they turned that big play into points.
Despite all the nearly identical stats and the nearly identical records, with largely the same players, there was a palpable difference between the teams, you could feel it. The 2007 team always just seemed off and like it was doomed to fail. The 2008 team felt like a team destined to win. They played with an edge, a confidence, a killer instinct. When they made a big play like a sack to force a 3rd in long, they didn’t let that big play go to waste by giving up a 40 yard draw play, they converted that 3rd and long into a stop.
So what was the difference? The only changes that I can point to are that they added one confident, dynamic playmaker to each side of the ball (DeSean and Asante), their rusty QB that was inconsistent the year before when he came back after missing the previous year with an ACL tear got back in the groove and played well, and Dawkins came back healthy after a scary neck injury the year before and took that team by the throat and seemed to just will them to victory while playing like a man possessed. He had 6 forced fumbles and 3 sacks that year. That team floundered a bit early and lost more games than they should have (by any statistical analysis or mathematical regression they were projected to win between 11-12 games). But, once McNabb got benched after that tie game, he came back like a man on a mission, Dawkins put the fire of God into the heart of that defense and that team just dominated through the rest of that year. By the time they played Dallas in week 17, with the winner getting a playoff spot and the losers season over, there wasn’t a soul in that stadium that didn’t know we were going to win that game.
That team was efficient in making sure it didn’t waste it’s good plays, they made sure to turn their good plays into points because they played with a killer instinct, the more they succeeded the more confident they got and the more confident they got the more efficient they got as the year went along.
This years team is a lot like the 2007 team. Let’s see if this team has the players to cultivate that atmosphere of confidence that refuses to let up and goes for the cold blooded kill when it has the opportunity rather than letting the opportunity slip through its fingers.
Not a fan of any “swagger” or “killer instinct” theory, sorry. That team only won 9 games and got into the playoffs by the skin of their teeth. They beat the Giants fair and square, then took on a weak Minnesota team, couldn’t handle the Cards (annoying, because I live in Phoenix), but made a game of it late.
Footballoutsiders did have them ranked highly, as they did for the whole Reid era. However, FO, saw that as an error and strongly considered changing their whole formula to correct for it. It is more likely that FO’s stats favored the sort of brainy offense/defense that Reid had put together than the Eagles really were the best team in the league multiple times when they were winning 8 or 9 games a year.
Fair enough. Call it whatever you want. Those two teams gained the same amount of yards, had the same amount of sacks, turnovers, pretty much every stat you can look up. And, yet, in 2008 they scored significantly more points and held teams to significantly less points than basically the same group of guys putting up the same numbers and making the same plays as they did the year before. So somehow they were able to make those plays when they mattered most and convert a much higher percentage of their positive plays into points on offense and stops on defense. I can’t find anything that describes it besides some vague undefinable thing like “being clutch” or just “having a killer instinct” whatever you want to call it.
As for the argument that they barely got into the playoffs therefore they weren’t good: That team was a much better team than your typical 9-7, 10-6 team. They fell completely apart in the early mid part of the season, and then something changed on that team, and they really were a different team down the stretch. If you didn’t see that then I don’t know what to say. But, saying that they were 9-6-1 so therefore the really great football they played down the stretch to get to within being one play away from the Super Bowl, is no different than a team limping through the entire year to 8-8, is just ignoring the dramatic turn around that we all witnessed and the fact that 2008 was really a tale of two teams. And, the team we saw at the end of that year was not indicative of their overall record.
Im not sure they would consider it, but wouldnt moving Peters to LG be a huge boost? Obviously Babre is terrible there, we need to shake things up on the OL. Move Lane Johnson to LT Peters to LG, and Babre to RT.
Johnson – Peters – Kelce – Andrews – Babre would be my solution, plus doent everyone want to see a johnson and a peters next to each other?
you can get there with unbalanced lines which we’ve been seeing
You should be a coach bro! You know all the answers! Get ahold of chip on Twitter. the Eagles need you asap
Lack of continuity is our problem and you want to move lane to the left side in week 5 as if switching sides is so easy? This isn’t madden where you can take a rt with a 97 rating, move him at another position and see him instantly perform at his 97 rating.. It really doesn’t work that way
This James is a complete dumbass. Great point.
Please don’t agree with me, it’s fucking embarrassing
That was worth all the pain I cause myself reading the comment section lately. Thanks.
I am the only one on this board who predicted the Eagles would be this bad. You should feel privileged that I actually read your comments. Usually they are longer than War and Fukcing Peace.
Try twitter you dumb fuck.
just watched the game, it sort of is what it is. did note bradford missed a huge pitch and catch on third down in the 4th quarter. sure td at 6.20 but he throws a short stick throw to jmatt instead of a td pass.
None of those execution issues properly mitigate the garbage O-line play.
Well if the OL executed, it wouldnt be garbage….
But then I think that goes to the caveat Tommy had. I think if Chip’s expecting Barbre and Gardner to be NFL level guards in this scheme, maybe Chip didn’t do a very good job evaluating them. It’s fairly apparent at this point that Barbre can’t execute this scheme, no matter how much it has been simplified. Time to get someone, anyone, who can at least make the fundamental decisions necessary for zone blocking, or change the scheme. Or, I guess, there is a third option: do nothing and accept the fact that this is a rebuilding season that isn’t going to be pretty.
Barbre has been here for 1½ year and showed during practice that he could execute this scheme.
Hell he played well against Green Bay two years ago and solidly for 3 camps in a row.
yep, there has been zero proof trough several camps that he would have zero clue on how to run a simple zone scheme
Cmon man. Camp (when you are not facing stunts, twists, blitzes, etc.) and spot duty (when opposing teams do not have time to identify your weaknesses on film and design schemes to exploit them) are not the same as being a regular starter. You’re smart enough to know that.
I didn’t claim he was an All-Pro. But he’s looked decent prior to this season. He’s blocking like a college freshman not a guy in his ninth season. He’s blowing simple blocks.
You don’t hang around the league for 9 seasons if you’re pure garbage. Come on man you’re smarter than that.
Fair point. There may be a little of column A, a little of column B here. It’s not exactly an unknown phenomenon for a guy who’s effective in spot duty to prove to be incapable of being a full-time player though.
The thing is he’s playing below JAG level. It’s highly unexpected.
That’s fine, but he’s clearly showing, to me at least, that he can’t execute it in 4 straight games. And it’s not physical, at least directly. He’s just making boneheaded decisions, repeatedly. Maybe Chip’s ‘training’ is a bad place to evaluate guard play for this scheme? Maybe that’s where the breakdown has occurred?
The more I see of Barbre, the more boneheaded plays I see from him. And they’ve really simplified the scheme, and he’s still doing it consistently. If you can give a reason to believe that he can get better at this, while acknowledging he’s not a rookie new to this scheme, I’d love to hear it. Right now, I think WYSIWYG – he’s got a proven track record this year, and I see no reason to predict that it will change.
If the OL had talent – they could execute.
THe problem is they are executing and just can’t get it done. It’s like telling a 40 pound lifter to snatch 240 – he has the perfect form, but just cant physically do it.
Chip needs to take accountability and stop putting it all on the players. This is ultimately on him, his decisions and it is his responsibility to get the players to execute correctly on a consistent basis.
If they continue to not execute, then they are either not good enough talent-wise to execute his plays or he and his coaches have failed to figure out how to get these players to execute.
The players are going to get tired eventually of Chip blaming them and not taking responsibility himself. It may be “true”, but in the end the buck stops with Chip and he needs to stand up and be counted. He got all the power and made all the decisions. He is the one who ignored the OL while spending mega $$ at QB and RB. He is the one who signed Maxwell and has him playing man coverage using outside technique for whatever stupid reason when Maxwell has always been a zone defender and does not have the speed to run with WR over the middle.
One of the main reasons the 2003 team under Reid stuck together and turned things around is because Reid took the bullets for the players publicly and the players really appreciated & respected that. They played very hard for Reid and knew he believed in them.
Chip comes across as someone who never is at fault for anything – time to stand up, Chip, take accountability and do whatever is necessary to fix it. Stop with the excuses, stating if we hit two FG we would be 3-1 and everyone would be happy is a very silly and stupid thing to say when your team is 1-3 and looks terrible. Both FG were missed by kickers YOU chose, Chip, so instead of throwing them under the bus why don’t you take responsibility for once? It would indeed be refreshing.
How would Chip saying “I chose the wrong kickers” not be throwing the kickers under the bus? Telling the world “I made a mistake signing these awful players” is not a way to hold together a team.
Maybe you’re right, and their psyches are so fragile they’ll wilt under the public pronouncement that they’ve made mistakes, but my guess is they know exactly what they did wrong and want to hold themselves and each other accountable.
I do agree that if the players are incapable of executing his scheme, then Chip is at fault for “not putting his players in a position to succeed.” That would be entirely on him, for ignoring what he sees in practice and calling the plays on game day anyway. So do you think the players look the same during the week as they do on Sundays?
The point is Chip is ultimately responsible for how this team is performing, what their record is and whether this turns out to be a successful season or not. He needs to state that clearly and focus on that instead of blaming his players and making excuses that we’d be 3-1 if two FG were made. Statements like that show a shocking level of delusion and obfuscation on Chip’s part that benefits nobody. The point is both games should NEVER have come down to two FG and a ton of mistakes were made before those events that Chip fails to address. Chip is not doing a good job so far this year and he needs to be a lot better as a coach and GM to get this turned around.
Did you read the full quote? Chip was making a larger point when mentioning the field goals (the same one you’re making about all the mistakes), not simply blaming them for the loss.
Sounds like you’re just reacting to a soundbite without any knowledge of the context.
What’s he gonna say though?
Well the OL situation has played out worse than even the biggest worriers would have projected. Their play has been below the lowest possible predicted deltas. We should have drafted an OL high and then you would all be fucking mad that we have no WR’s or CBs. I admit I fucked up the Evan situation, although he was a dick and unprofessional, and it’s not an unprecedented situation. The defense has been pretty good but I fucked up bringing back Brandon Graham because he can’t get pressure to save his life. Bradford has been rusty, but you are starting to see signs. A funtioning run game wold have hidden the growing pains.
-Said no coach ever.
Coaches entire goal for public remarks is to not say anything at all. Cliche. Obfuscate. There is no positive utility to be gained.
All he needs to say is this is my responsibility and I will do whatever is necessary to get it fixed. That is it.
So this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR8mrqR6WOc
He wants Andy Reid+Nick Foles back.
At this point Andy Reid looks like a much better NFL coach than Chip Kelly.
both have the same number of Super Bowl victories
you mean the same HC that have his team 1-3?
Reid has taken multiple teams to the playoffs, won multiple division titles, reached 5 conference title games and a Super Bowl, and took over the worst team in the league and by his third season had it in the NFC title game. He has his flaws to be sure, and lost the plot at the end of his tenure with the Eagles, but Chip has a long way to go before he comes close to equalling his NFL resume. As of right now Chip’s NFL resume looks more like that of Ray Rhodes or Rich Kotite than that of Reid.
“Chip is at fault for “not putting his players in a position to succeed”‘ — I think it’s more Chip didn’t put the proper talent on the team.
For starters, chip never forgets to mention how it’s the COACHES and The players who aren’t performing well enough. He never points to the players without the coaches so I’m not sure What you are talking about, there is also no need to take accountability for anything after a quarter of a season considering most teams look very different in November then what you see in September which has basically become the new preseason..
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And it’s NOT ALL about the now! For example people are ripping Demarco as if he is some bad signing who will never fit here, but he isn’t here on some one year deal, even if Demarco struggles all year(which I doubt), we could rebuild the OL next year and Demarco would end up being the signing we thought he would be for the next 3 years.
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Chip will never admit this, but he isn’t stupid either, he very well could have thought that this would be a “step back year”.. Thinking last years team was maxed out, so he made big time changes.. But when you make so many changes, coaches aren’t dumb, I’m sure he new it would take some time for this this team to gel into his vision,.. Maybe he didn’t expect this bad of a start, but it’s very possible he viewed this as a necessary “take a step back year” with next year showing the true vision of his team….
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Deep down I’m sure when we saw us make all these changes, no matter how great you thought we would be this year, a rational human probably assumes that Next year would be much better then the first season we are introducing so many new faces.. the only dissapointment has been our starting point..but it’s pretty foolish to get all bent out of shape over what we see in September, as painful as it is…. With that said, fairness dictates that the first quarter grace period is over and that we should start to see this team click in the next two weeks. Hopefully this timeline is still applicable even though we are dealing with so many injuries…
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Demarco could look like a terrible signing this year, and then look like the league MVP next year for us… We got carrYes away with preseason, we should have been smart enough to expect some early first quarter turmoil… Teams grow as the season unfolds so I’m not ready to waive the white flag, but even if we sneak into the playoffs, it’s probably rational to expect that next year was going to be the year we build on all of this years changes…
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Whether this team makes it to the conference finals, or misses the playoffs at 9/7, dare I say 8/8, it’s probably safe to assume that chip expected this year to be a step back so that we can take 3 steps forward next year… Grant it, right now it looks like more then just 1 step back, all this start shows is we grossly overestimated our starting point after the preseason…. We have yet to see what this team will grow into so it’s pretty foolish to look at this quarter of bad play and assume that it will be a true barometer of this years team
Sorry but that is absolute BS. Chip is not accountable since we are only 4 weeks into the regular season?? Because he always blames his coaches along with his players, everything is hunky dory?? WTF? LOL…
Yes, it is stupid to ignore the OL, then pay big $$ to sign Murray who cannot make people miss and whose specialty is one cut north-south running and then have your C and OG pulling on plays that only make the problems worse. That is NOT all execution, that is scheme and play calling. That is putting your players in a position to FAIL over and over again.
Yes, it is stupid to sign Maxwell, who thrived in a very good defense as a zone coverage guy with S help, to mega $$ and then putting him in man coverage using outside technique and giving him almost zero S help. That is NOT all execution, that is scheme and coverage calls that consistently put your player in a position to get torched over and over again.
Those are two examples of why Chip laying all of this on execution is BS and why blaming others instead of taking accountability himself comes across as not only disingenuous but petty.
HOLY FUCK.
STOP.
MAXWELL PLAYED COVER 3 and MAN in Seattle.
WE PLAY COVER 3 AND MAN.
HOLY FUCK.
STOP.
MAXWELL PLAYED COVER 3 and MAN in Seattle.
WE PLAY COVER 3 AND MAN.
Take your truths elsewhere… Regurgitating the same uneducated bullshit is much more fun.. #partypooper
I wish I could upvote this 100 times. This revisionist crap drives me crazy.
I had literally been calling for a reverse to Agholar for weeks, so I can’t be mad at the play call. That’s on the rookie..
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However I can’t help feel that it could have been a better idea to choose a different time to run that reverse, instead of running it the play after Agholar sprinted 60 yards down field to make that one handed catch… Either run the reverse with someone else, or wait to run it at a time Agholar hadn’t just sprinted 60 yards down field….
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In fairness to chip, with Huff in the dog house there really wasn’t another WR we could run the reverse with…the rookie has to make that play, but I can’t help feel we could have chose a better time for it
I thought the same thing. I thought the play call was bad. I’m not a huge fan of “backwards” plays(meaning plays behind the line of scrimmage. Eagles are rolling, keep the offense moving forward. That play was not needed in that spot.
i doubt tat 60yd sprint had any effect, the run in practice all day.
Yeah? Did you see the close up of agholor face when he saw the play call? You sure about that? Go reach watch and get back to me pal
What could have been… it was a great play call, timing may be questioned, but if chip trusts Agholar’s conditioning then he wouldn’t be worried about it. CONCENTRATION and BALL SECURITY better be preached again this week. Secure the football and then move with it. Catch it first, and then run… sigh.
If execution is the problem, isn’t that something you fix in practice?
JMatt (who I think is very good) drops a pass weekly. That’s not news.
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Couldn’t every single team in the NFL blame a loss on execution? I’m pretty sure Dallas is sitting there saying, if we execute on defense, we win.
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CK is not going to sit in front of everyone and say the real root cause of the problems. So, he does what every other coach does and give a broad answer. Yet, a lot of people buy into what CK says(smh). I don’t expect CK to come out and say “listen, these players are on the verge of stinking and there’s nothing we can do”.
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Week 1’s problem – execution. Week 2’s problem – execution. Week 4’s problem – execution. Sooner or later, someone has to be at fault….
It really is all about execution at this point.. I’m oot of ideas… In the past week I had been calling for a WR reverse to Agholar, unbalanced lines to get the run going, take some shots down field to keep the defense honest…Well chip tried all that against the skins and we still loss, so there is nothing left to do but to drill the shit out of fundamentals until we start consistently winning our Matchups
I believe 98% of what’s wrong with this team stems from the issues on the O-line. From the defense to the dropped passes and lack of overall execution. There’s just no rhythm on offense and its affecting the entire team. I mean, these guys don’t even know who to block from play to play. Its not just that they’re getting physically beat, they’re getting beat mentally, not knowing their assignments. Most of these O-linemen have been with this offense at least two seasons now, so how is that possible?!?
To call them “issues” is being kind. This O-line doesn’t even resemble anything remotely close to an NFL-caliber O-line. Its an embarrassment!! And while you can count me in as a Chip Kelly guy and someone who supported his decisions and moves, because I believed he knew what he was doing, it has to be discussed how CK could be so arrogant to think he could simply plug in two journeyman OG as starters and be just fine. Especially after devoting some much resources into the new QB and RBs.
Kelly would have to be insane to believe that would work and we’d have to be insane to have bought into it. I know I was…I feel duped!!
And another thing….Why was it so necessary to trade Shady and obtain, “one-cut, downhill runners,” when all this offense does is run east and west on outside zones and sweeps?!?! They never run between the tackles!!
Outside zone still requires the runner to cut up field.
Good analogy, agree w/execution point.
JMatt was blatantly interfered with, given all the ticky tack fouls in the game, don’t understand how that one wasn’t called. Been a lot of bad officiating this year, not just in Eagles games. Time to hire full time officials.
My favorite call was the jam that was called as defensive holdin.
Can you tell me why Rowe was called for a foul when he had perfect coverage, located the ball and almost got a hand on it?
He used his arm to disable the receiver’s left arm. If that’s a big name corner it’s a no call, celebrated as a cerebral vet move, and shown on loop for a week.
Thanks, didnt notice that, but you are right, Sherman does that all the time.
I have been really surprised by Rowe’s ability to stay in phase and turn his head.
He needs to work on his change of direction though. He’s great if the receiver runs a straight go route, but if it’s a comeback or in or out breaking, Rowe can’t seem to recover.
Think it will come with experience, the fact that he can cover deep is important imo. Even as a rookie he looks better than any cb in the outside we have had since Samuel and brown
“You’re not old enough to get that call!” supposedly said by a partner at a major Phoenix law firm.
Because he pulled the left arm of the WR. He is junk.
Hand touched the receivers arm, very weak call.
Too much money in the NFL to be cheap about refs. Weakening the product for no good reason.
To be fair, there were bad calls in both directions. Maybe that should be the new NFL catch phrase.
The bad calls did go both ways.
Three on us were bad calls:
-Kelce called for a hold where the DL just kind of fell down in front of him
-Phantom hold on the jam
-Rowe PI
Redskins got jobbed on a few as well.
The one that bugs me is holding on the interior isn’t being called much. We got a couple calls this week but Logan and Cox and getting straight up mugged consistently.
Overall I think refs have been a bit flag happy the last couple of years.
Ugh, that Kelce hold was such a bad call. It makes me angry all over again thinking about it.
I don’t get how these officials can be so bad at calling holding. I just seems random when they decide to call it. You can see holding from your couch on like 1 out of every 3 plays. Once in a while the ref is just like, “I guess I’ll call holding this time,” regardless of whether or not they actually saw any holding.
It’s also annoying that holding literally never gets called on the DL, when that’s been a major thing holding back our running game so far this season: http://chipwagon.typepad.com/eagles/2015/09/the-eagles-ground-game-from-hot-mess-to-work-in-progress.html
Right, and those flags aren’t making for a better product. Refs should be studying tape all week, just like the players. Not working regular jobs and just picking up games on the weekend like peewee refs.
Also didn’t see the Carroll foul on the last drive, but haven’t really gone back and looked.
Whstrvrr..we still lost
The problem I have with this analysis Tommy is that bad players tend to execute poorly. That’s what makes them bad players. When Allen Barbre or Andrew Gardner whiff on a block, it’s partially because they’re not starting-caliber players. Yet Chip’s talent evaluation relies on them to perform like them. When Agholor (who to be clear I am not calling a bust; he obviously has talent) lines up in the wrong formation, it’s partially because he’s a rookie, and rookies tend to make dumb mistakes like that. Yet Chip’s offseason plan relied on inexperienced players to perform like veterans. When Bradford misses an open receiver down the field to check down again, or walks into a bad sack, it’s partially because he lacks the instincts, training, and experience to be an elite NFL quarterback. Yet Chip’s offense has placed him in positions where he has to throw the ball every down because the running game sucks. When Maxwell gets toasted in single coverage, it’s partially because he’s not actually an elite coverage guy but is being given responsibilities that require elite coverage skills. And so on.
At some point, the coach/GM has to be accountable.
Thank you! Exactly right…it is not all execution, there have been many decisions made by Chip that were wrong and have back fired.
I think it was you who I asked if there was enough evidence on Bradford to not like him. I said we needed a bigger sample of him. You were right. I thought he was smart enough to handle this offense. He’s not ready. Question is, does anybody think he’ll eventually catch on?
I really hope he does. He clearly has the physical talent. With him it’s the mental side of the game I am concerned about. He seems like a hard worker and a smart guy but I think Chip has not exactly placed him in a position to excel this season, on the field or off.
Spot on. Sometimes I think folks are way too quick too laud Chip Kelly for his coaching decisions and then a bit if an apologist when it comes to his failures.
To date, Chip has done nothing but take a talented team (yet underachieving) that Reid gave him and strip it down, all under the guise of ##culture. The only thing he has made stronger was the defense, but due to terrible coaching and the zany concept that time of Possession doesn’t matter, the defense is hurting.
what had that team accomplished in the last 5 years?
You will note the part where I related “talented yet underachieving”
Soooo … pretty much what’s happening now?
I think our offense is significantly less talented than when Chip took over. Across the board
And I’d say the defense is significantly more, across the board. Such flux is the only stable state equilibrium of the Not For Long league. And as you’ve noted, all that awesome talent on offense wasn’t exactly setting the world on fire, anyway.
Yes…spot on and a great point you make here about putting guys in a position to succeed or not succeed, rather. Relying far to heavily on guys new to the NFL, new to the team or just not starting caliber.
Saying you lost because of execution might not be an excuse, but it feels like a shrug or a cop out. It’s not a tangible thing that has a by-the-book method of fixing. It’s synonymous with “we aren’t playing well” and offers little more insight than saying “we lost because they scored more points”. If Chip is struggling to hone in on something tangible to fix this team he might as well start putting his resume together, because he is as powerless as we are.
Which is a big ole rant to say “it’s execution, that’s on the coach” is something we’ve heard before and it’s not a good sign.
Or coach saying “my plan is fine..its just that THEY srent doing it properly”
blame the GM then, oh wait
Well stated. I happen to think that lack of execution comes down to 2 reasons:
1. Preparation failures
2. Talent failures
Now, I am sure that there is a decent blend of both each Sunday that is causing us to lose. The O line is looking very much like there is a lack of effective preparation as well as talent. The other fact is that when you are overmatched physically, as our O line is, you press and start to make execution errors. Our WR corps is arguably the least talented group we have had in recent years. Agholor may turn out to be good, but he is a rookie now surrounded by guys with marginal NFL WR athleticism. Jordan matthews is by all a counts a great guy and hard worker. He tries hard and has alot of energy. But he lacks the ability to beat a good corner back and his hands are questionable. I know alot of folks, including myself, were hopeful for him, but there is a reason he plays the middle of the field. He can’t beat an outside CB consistently.
Any way you slice it, poor preparation or lack of talent—-the buck stops with Chip. He is to blame.
It’s just frustrating. While hoping the team will put it all together and turn it around to make the play offs and do some damage…is not unprecedented…it’s pretty slim. Every week it doesn’t come to be, it feels almost like watching a train wreck in slow motion and hoping the next frame the train will somehow hop back on the rails and everything will be ok.
Thank you Tommy for being a sanctuary where I can come to get away from all the hot takes. I agree with you 100%. Every position group has played well for at least one half this year, they just haven’t been able to do it consistently or at the same time.
Chip said he could make all of these changes in the off-season and it wouldn’t hurt team chemistry. He was wrong. This team has almost zero team chemistry right now. They need to build that chemistry, and quick. It’s taking a lot longer than I expected coming into the season, but I still think that this team will look strong by the end of this season. If we somehow make it to the playoffs, I don’t think it will be because we backed in. If we make the playoffs, it will be because this offense came together and started firing on all cylinders, playing their best football in November and December.
No matter what happens, I expect this to be a rebuilding year. Chip won’t say it, but with all of the turnover, it’s obvious that we started over this offseason. Hopefully Bradford really turns it on over the next few weeks, because this whole thing really hinges on him being a quality starter.
Lastly, we started 1-3 in ’13. I think this team is more talented than that team. Hopefully they’re as resilient as that team was.
Head coach execution.
That’s a bit harsh, mate.
Joke. Was worried too obvious actually
Two weeks ago, people were calling for Chip to take the brunt and protect his players. Now, people are claiming that the execution line is BS dodging.
Chip talking about execution is taking responsibility. His job is to prepare the players to execute. He is doing the same thing as Andy did when he said he needed to put players in a better position to succeed. Both are protecting the players and taking the blame, while allowing for the subtext of the players needing to perform better.
Agreed. But nobody is talking big picture. We’re looking at 1-3 and saying oh, so close to winning. Nobody is talking about the real issues. That first half vs. Redskins should make Eagles fans puke. This wasn’t the NE Patriots. This was a bad team – who man handled the Eagles pretty good. Down their top WR and down some defensive players — this should have been a cake walk win. Only in horse shoes does ‘coming close’ count…
I’m not sure. I see what you are saying and it makes sense, but I think the “excution” line from Chip can also be interpreted differently. While Andy always said everything was his fault (“I need to put the players in a better position to succeed”), Chip saying that they need better execution could also be interpreted as essentially saying “I put the players in position to succeed and they screwed up”. I don’t know if he is taking the brunt and protecting his players. Sometimes it seems like he is saying that it is the players’ fault not his.
The talk of quite a few analyst that this team just hasn’t gelled after all of the off-season turnover seems to have real merit. NFL is the not for long league, but the amount of turn over on this offense was pretty darn insane. It is essentially an entirely new squad. The leftovers are spread out (even along the line). Receivers, QB, RB, OL… where hasn’t there been massive turn over on that side of the ball?
I hate to say it, but as frustrating as this is.. I think this team is going to click at some point this year. Like Terry Bradshaw said on Sunday, it will probably be to late, but it will give us hope going into next year. Unfortunately that is going to leave Chipper some serious soul searching to do on the fate of Sammy B as an Eagle.
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To add to Tommy’s commentary..
I could be remembering incorrectly, but wasn’t the missed FG by Sturgis a pretty standard NFL kick? Like was it shorter than an extra point? If he makes that and the extra point… we win the game. All of the other problems are there but meaningless if that guy just kicks two easy kicks.
it’s def a rebuilding year, just frustrating b/c expectations were so high
We were rebuilding until Sam Bradford had an amazing 14 passes in preseason games.
no, I don’t think it’s that. It’s the promise of letting people go and having capable back up plan. It was preached to us how important talent is for our back ups. We were supposed to have the best depth on this team than ever before…
Exactly…this was never a rebuilding year, everything was hyped that we were going to roll from Day 1 and had better depth, preparation, training and player fits for the schemes Chip wanted to run.
That too will be an issue(re: clicking late). Well, for 1, we need Bradford to ‘get it’. If he doesn’t, next year will be a rebuilding year as well. Second, if this team eventually gets it, we’ll finish mid-pack of the draft. Which doesn’t do anything.
The worst thing is if Sammy just shows enough glimpses that we have to make a real tough decision on extending him. If we give him big bucks, and then he reverts to his norm; add that to the list of other needs, then we are the new Dan Snyders.
1) we have the whole rest of the season to find out more about Sam
2) We can always franchise him to get an extra year with him before we need to pay him on a big long term contract. It is expensive, but might be better than committing long term without more information.
1) yes, but even if he slowly improves throughout the year, it still might not be enough to say he’s the answer.
2) good point, with the extra year, that is enough time for sure.
Tim McManus recently posted an article arguing the opposite side of this, that execution is insufficient a reason for the struggles we have had.
https://twitter.com/Tim_McManus/status/651385512477990912
Personally, I think execution has been clearly an issue with this team. With that said, I think fixing the execution would have translated into a few more wins so far this season, but frankly we would still be a flawed team. Most significantly, I think the offensive line talent and depth is clearly lacking and it has completely disrupted the offense. I don’t really see any good way to fix the offensive line either, so while execution would certainly help, I think against better teams, we would be seeing just how significant the talent difference is.
Dead on, these are not surface blemishes. They are fundamental and foundational flaws as McManus shows. Practice and focus on execution can be done until the cows come home, but it likely will not matter until the talent is upgraded and/or the scheme is altered to play to the team’s strengths instead of shoe horning them into plays or coverages they cannot run effectively.
It isn’t like this line can’t gel and perform at an acceptable level. I think we all feel pretty good about the rest of the team around the line. Even I think Sam Bradford could play well enough to make this a very good football team if the the o-line would just get it together.
So if the main problem is the o-line. Do something radical and fix it. Plain and simple.
To quote Joe Banner: “If Chip Kelly really believes that his team is two (or three kicks away) sitting at 3-1 then it’s concerning.”
Plus, isn’t Chip the guy who trashes anyone in the media for suggesting anything that’s “hypothetical.” Well, it doesn’t get any more “hypothetical” than explaining that your 1-3 team would actually be 3-1 if certain events in the past had played out differently.
Banner : ” Eagles win the Super Bowl”
Chip is protecting his players.
If he wasn’t, he’d say “Washington made big plays, and when the opportunity presented itself to our players to make big plays, we failed. Nelson dropped a reverse that may have been a TD. Darren dropped a pass that was slightly behind him that would have resulted in a 1st down. Jordan Matthews failed to come up with a big catch, a distressing trend this season. Meanwhile Pierre Garcon and Jae Crowder came up with huge catch after huge catch, in traffic and while taking hits. You have to make those plays to win games.”
Perfect. In reality people want to pick apart everything he says to find flaws, when the football educated know that just about everything any coach says is just coach speak lies..
Apart from his kickers..
Would dropping the no huddle help the O-line in any way? Probably not, but I don’t know if some of the mixed blocks is confusion.
It’s really frustrating.
team isn’t built to be a big power running team. we have mostly smaller athletic o-line, wearing bigger dline down levels the playing field.
[…] Tommy Lawlor explains why execution is the Eagles biggest issue right now […]
Before season Media was worried about: OL, secondary, WR, QB
Season torpedoed by: OL, secondary, WR, QB
Safeties are good, woopee!
i think if we didn’t have a ton of injuries we’d have some hope. but we’re down 2 ilbs, 2-3 lineman on both sides
If Jimmy Graham keeps sucking like this, soon we would be able to trade Ertz for him.,, Ertz has sucked as much as Jimmy, but atleast he sucks might cheaper
Where do you come up with this shit bro?
seriously
Graham isn’t a football player. Not in the sense that there are players that love the game and will destroy their body to get the ball… guys like Anquan Boldin. Graham is a talented athlete getting a nice paycheck. I’ll pass.
Graham is a pussy… I don’t even want to play his brand of football. He is connar Barwins Bitch.. Just a facetious comment about how bad both Granam and Ertz have been the first quarter of the season
I just read someone says the Eagles are in a re-building “year”. This is a re-building 3 years. They can’t re-build that offensive line in one year. Are you kidding me. That offensive line is going to take a solid 3 years to re-build. What a joke. And we don’t even have a franchise quarterback! Chip Kelly made it a rebuilding year. And take out Sproles – who is 33 or whatever – and the Eagles have zero skill position players.
Marcus Smith was a third-team All-American by the Associated Press. Not even a first-team all american and these boneheads drafter him 26th. Are you kidding me.
so we should only draft 1st team all Americans?
call Michael Sam quick!
No They should not draft 3rd team all americans in the first round. Kinda my point. Logic. Yeah .
so you’re saying that no 3rd team All-American can be a star in this league?
Trae Wayns, Nelson Agholor, Cedric Ogbuehi, Shaq Thompson were all picked in the 1st round. All of them were 3rd team.
i dont know about the rest of them but Agholor should not have been a first round pick.
Bill Lazor might be available soon… I wonder if it’s worth kicking the tires on him to improve the QB situation.
Does Chip Kelly even know who he is? What a ridiculous comment.
Last time I checked they used to work together in Philly. So unless Chip Kelly suffers from serious short term memory loss I happen to believe they know each other…
This kid is precious.
Since he deleted it, QQ didn’t know that Lazor was the QB coach here during Foles’ miracle run. Called me an idiot for it.
lol
“Anyone know where the Start Button is on this thing?”
http://media.philly.com/images/600*450/100515_eagles-line_1024.jpg
I think the Eagles have 3 problems:
1. Execution
2. Lack of talent on the OL
3. Unrealistic expectations coming into the season. The problem with this one is that now everyone wants to derail the building/development process than stick with the plan. I don’t know of a team that brought in a new QB, 2 new RBs, a new WR, and 2 new starters on the OL and had success right away. If they bring more of the Jets game they can keep this together and build from it. more of the Cowboys & Washington and Chip loses the players faith in he rebuild.
There were a ton of holes to fill on this roster and only limited resources to do so. I for one am excited about the you talent that was brought in on both sides of the ball and while execution and record may not be there yet, this is a better team than last year.
We are a couple players and some experience together from being a force in this league.
What young players did they bring in? You rebuild in the draft, not free agency. These are idiotic sentiments.
Jordan Mathews, Nelson Agholor, Sam Bradford, Lane Johnson, and I still think Huff will pan out.
Also plenty of talent was brought in through trades and free agency. Spout that negative nonsense elsewhere
Huff has 4 receptions for 39 yards. Bradford will require a long term multi-million expensive has hell contract and really he doesn’t appear to me to be a franchise quarterback. Maybe he is with a decent oline in front of him, but are you really going to take that chance? Agoholo is not good right now. Not sure how you came up with him and Jordan Mathews is a slot receiver.
you asked what young players were brought in. right?
oh i thought you were implying they were good.
bradford will not require that unless he earns it. Shoot if they end up with 6 or 7 wins I say offer him a 3 yr low end deal with incentives with an out after 1. Let him find another sucker and get more if another team is interested.
Maybe I just don’t know what I’m watching, but to me a large portion of what’s wrong IS execution. When a ball hits a receiver IN HIS HANDS he has to make that catch. Every Saturday hundreds of kids who won’t even sniff the NFL make those catches. Hell, when I play football with my buddies on Thanksgiving, I could make those catches.
Or when a lineman completely whiffs on a defender. He’s not getting pushed around by a stronger player. He’s not getting beat around the edge by a faster player. He’s just not even engaging the guy that’s right in front of him.
How is that not execution? Any scrub player in the league should be able to do these things. Our guys are just not doing it at all. Should Chip go out on the field and catch the balls and block himself?
Nothing in football happens in a vacuum. I think the problem is that ALL of these things are happening at the same time. Every dropped pass = a stalled drive = the defense back on the field. Every missed block = tackle for a loss = stalled drive = defense back on the field. If someone would make a damn catch, the offense stays on the field and starts to build a rhythm. If there’s even OK blocking up front, the running game gets going. Either of these things keep the defense off the field.
Everyone drops balls. The Redskins #14 was dropping balls left and right. Megatron fumbled in the endzone. EVERY TEAM has this shit happen. It’s not an excuse for how bad they are.
that’s why lions are 0-4
yeah they are bad. just like the Eagles.
but it also is contributing, its not nothing. Somewhere in the middle which is no fun for fan bashing, I get it
hes just a goondogger… let him be.. he posts some stuff and riles everyone up and claims to be a butt hurt “fan”…
i give it about a 7% chance it’s actually Howie Roseman
Goondogger from UrbanDictionary..
A goony sonufabitch who thinks hes funny but is really far from it. The
only time people laugh in his presence is to laugh at him not with him. A
Goondogger generally spends his days cheifing away on a blunt and
smutting female dogs.
swear i made this word up then wanted to make sure it wasnt horrible or offensive… turns out its exactly what he is!!! haha the irony..
How did they go from having a great training camp and preseason to a complete disaster?
you mean Preseason Super Bowl Champions?
tempo vs 2nd stringers and vanilla schemes
Wow Tommy, this is so delusional. I mean, I hope you’re right, I’d like to think you’re right, but doing so requires one to suspend common sense. Having watched the games and looked at the stats, this thing is no less than a dumpster fire at this point. Can it get better? Sure. But let’s call it what it is and not try and delude ourselves in to thinking that it’s “a play here or a play there,” as Chip would have you believe.
This team is in trouble right now, and so is the coach. Better times ahead would begin with basic competence in certain areas… Once we get there, we can start concerning ourselves with winning.
One area, the O-line. It can happen. If nothing changed other than O-line play, I think this team is back to the Superbowl contender they were at the end of the preseason.
Of course it is more likely the line doesn’t significantly improve and this team remains a dumpster fire.
O-line play improves > run game improves > game flow improves > drops become less frequent/less impactful> defense spends less time on the field > opposing teams score fewer points> team wins even if they aren’t necessarily scoring more.
Maybe Thurmond can play WR too since he is the only one that can catch?
And let’s not forget our new kicker who left 4 points on the field!
two missed FGs and we’re 3-1 and ugly 3-1 though
Yes, true, but let’s not forget that Chip’s Eagles went 10-6 last year. Chip knew it was smoke and mirrors and decided that wasn’t good enough, so he made sure to obtain full power over personnel and completely overhauled this team. If 10-6 wasn’t good enough last year, then Chip can’t use the “a couple made kicks and we’re 3-1,” excuse. He can’t have it both ways. He knew 10-6 last year wasn’t good enough and he has to know the play this year isn’t good enough. Not even close. The offensive line that he assembled and has paid little to no resources to via the draft or free agency is the reason they are 1-3. Even mediocre o-line play would have this team at 3-1, but they are what their record says they are. Right now that’s pathetic.
well i think he knows. But it’s a long season. If he starts talking crazy he’s going to lose the team. Got to reinforce to players that they can do it and it’s just a matter of executing, even if that’s not the case.
That didn’t happen though.
THat stock I bought could have gone to 100. Instead the company went bankrupt.
If the lottery numbers last night were 7-5-9 and not 8-6-3 I would have won a million dollars.
Fuck off troll
Bissinger called the media “a bunch of candy-asses” for giving Kelly a pass on his personnel decisions, like recruiting workhorse DeMarco Murray without a plan to utilize the running back properly.
media = mclane whos twitter avatar was chip with a SB trophy til week 3.
media = tommy who still sips that koolaid.
media = all you dumba$$ blowhards who live in a state of denial.
Bissinger = fat guy who once wrote an article on football now thinks he’s a genius.
the thing is, he is right. Dont care what he looks like or what he does. He made a great valid point. The media and the fan base TOTALLY give Chip Kelly a pass. Yall are all in the same bed sucking each other off.
What the fuck are you talking about. Everyone in the media is hammering Chip. Everyone.
right, they cant wait to call him arrogant after labeling him the genius first. Make the hero, bury the hero
Bissinger is no expert. How many teams has he coached? Why do you think he is someone to listen to?
i think Bissinger is a pretty good writer. I like a couple of his books, although i didn’t care for Friday Night Lights, the book or the movie version. My favorite of his, is “Three Nights in August” about the managerial decisions of Tony Lasrussa during a 3 game series against the Cubs. This is the same guy who determined Nick Foles was a loser because he wouldn’t have a beer with him and didn’t curse.
He just said the media kisses his ass. I totally agree. McClane had a chip kelly with a sb trophy as his Twitter avatar.
I highly doubt McClane had that picture because he thinks Chip is going to win a Superbowl. Could he have possibly made the picture himself after many people were talkin SB after the preseason? I don’t think that was in support of Kelly, more to mock him.
A lot of media do kiss his ass by talking about him endlessly, but to me this is just the media tactic of “create the hero, bury the hero”
It was a photo from some kiss ass article he wrote pretty much sucking off Chip Kelly.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Chip_Kelly_Evolution_of_a_play-caller.html
“Evolution of a Play Caller”
Look at this shit :
“While the Eagles coach declined to rehash this particular experience, that Kelly loves to talk football is no secret. That football is his main preoccupation isn’t, either. It is especially true of offensive play-callers. And Kelly is, possibly, one of the best ever.”
The problem with that argument is that it ignores all of the personnel decisions that were made and worked. This is a work in progress, and no one said coming into this season that our OL was bulletproof, but look at all the holes that were filled!
Our needs in the offseason were
1) upgrade safety = done
2) upgrade secondary = done
3) add depth at LB = ILB is done, OLB needs work
4) upgrade QB = jury is still out but I consider Bradford an upgrade even if consistency is lacking thus far.
5) add talent and depth at WR = partially done, still think we lack a burner to really open things up for Ertz, Matthews & Agholor.
6) Add depth to the OL = clearly not done.
So we clearly still need OL and ILB talent, and a burner at WR would be a luxury but isn’t holding his team back. I get the frustration, but everybody screaming fire Chip is ignoring just how close this team is to being great!
WRs are upgraded? Is that a joke?
OL downgraded.
QB same
LB same
secondary still not good.
As I said, I’ll give you OL was downgraded & OLB & WR are still works in progress but aren’t our limiting factors, but ignoring the rest is delusional.
Rowe has talent and makes plays, I was excited to see what Shephard could do but that has to wait a year.
Thurman has solidified safety for the first time since B-Dawk left,
how can you say adding Alonso & Hicks is not an upgrade to Casey Matthews?
Dude…
1) safety is upgraded
2) secondary is upgraded because of 1, you are double counting; CBs are not significantly upgraded, esp considering cost
3) LB depth as a whole is not good
4) QB is a wash except that Foles comes to play in the 4th Q and SB doesn’t
5) WR is downgraded severely from DeSean/Maclin
6) OL depth is downgraded
So yeah. 1 out of 6.
Sam left the field in the 4th quarter with a lead……..
Bissinger can come and chat with me at any time he’d like.
And the local guys have been ripping Chip’s GM work; Bowen and Sielski especially.
I’m not sure it is execution so much as lack of talent. Basically, you look at this as percentage of time guys make a block, catch the ball or throw on target.
If you look at the perecentage of success as a function of talent, then you get the problem will not fix this season.
Guys don’t get beat every play, just on enough of them. I dunno tho.. the drops are driving everyone nuts.
Dropped passes, stupid penalties, and lackluster 1st halfs indicate the team is not adequately prepared to fire on all cylinders come gametime. This Eagles team has lost winnable games and in the NFL that is not something a contender can afford to do.
I agree. The Eagles are not as bad as we think they currently are nor were they as good as we thought they were after preseason.
Dennis Green begs to differ. 😉
Re: Just 1 More Score
1998: 4, 3, 8, 3, 3, 5
1999: 4, 3, 6, 3, 1, 1
2012: 7, 5, 8, 3, 2
Those are point-differentials in the 1-score games lost by the three worst Eagles teams in the past 20 years.
The 1998 garbage-can Eagles could have been 9-7 . . . if only.
The 1999 Eagles, in Reid’s first year, could have finished 11-5 and won the division . . . if only.
The 2012 dumpster-fire Eagles could have gone 9-7 . . . if only. And that would have been Andy Reid’s greatest coaching job.
Just one more score.
So have you lost faith in Kelly? Or is this more just a FYI?
An FYI.
I don’t think Kelly puts a lot of stock in his own 1-more-score remarks. He knows there’s problems.
But what’s he gonna say.
He could say our O sucks, the D gives up 90 yard drives to end the game, our WRs suck, our OL sucks, and Bradford is below average. But he has BIG problems with this team and their play.
Any likely solutions?
Shake up the current starters. I would like Burton to play because he catches the ball. The OL we are limited so more bubble screens and stretch plays to dilute the inevitable pass rush. If Ryan Matthews continues to drop passes he should not participate in wheel routes.
Since we are in emergency mode, we need to take drastic action and put players in the game who perform. We may not have many though. Bunch of losers populate this team.
Shake up for te sake of it does nothing… What needs a shake up is the OL, and injuries have ravaged us to where we don’t even have many OL options left so there is nothing to shake up..
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These players need to Gel together, the worst thing we could do is fuck with their stability… I know it’s no fun, but going thru these tough times ad figuring out together is how you gel and get passed this and when you are playing with 6 or 7 new starters on offense there is nothing to do but stay the course, drill the fuck out of fundamentals and warrior thru this… Who the hell are you gonna bring up off the bench to block when Gardmer is gone, Jp, Lane and Barber are all banged up, the ONLY card chip hasn’t played yet is Josh Andrews..
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But I like Burton, so I wouldn’t mind seeing more 3 TE sets with him in the game, to help MAX PROTECT so we can take some play action shots down field… But we need Ertz to warrior thru this, replacing him with Burton isn’t the answer because we need to get Ertz going, BAD!
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Maybe if this was a veteran team that’s been together for two years a shake up might help, but when your problems are you haven’t gelled as a team yet, IMO further screwing with continuity will only take longer for us to come together as a team.
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But I really do believe that September is the new preseason and you really don’t start to see who teams are until October.. So let me see how this team responds the next two Weeks and if they still haven’t broken thru this funk, I might join your desire for a shake up..
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Great or Piss poor in September this team was always going to have to gel and improve over the course of the season to get where we wanted to be.. So far the starting point has been ugly, but with 4 games under our belt hopefully we Start to come together and see continuos growth from one week to the next… I will excuse anything from a team with 7 new starters just on offense in September, but the first quarter is over, and NOW is the TIME you better start showing growth… These next two weeks for me are crucial.,(not so much in terms of this division, but for us to have the type of year we hoped, it has to start clicking now… As for the division, it’s so pathetic that we could lose these next two games and still feel like we can win it.. But we have to have higher aspirations then squeeking a title in this crap division or we could have just proceeded with last years group that chip felt was too limited..
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It’s October, first quarter in the books, we are in no shape to cry about all these injuries, whoever has to play, needs to line up, grab their nutsack and beat whoever lines up across them… Fletcher Cox needs to stand up and talk to this locker room about what it feels like when your season is over by Halloween, I’m sure he remembers the feeling well from 2012
still slightly insulting to suggest if a couple of FG’s went in we wouldn’t notice the struggles. We all noticed the win against the Jets came with a bunch of warts. W’s do not mask extreme offensive struggles. He can think he’s the smartest guy in the room, fine. But he doesn’t have to assume everyone else in the room is an idiot.
enh, at some point after losses they have to reiterate the same nonsense hence the AR repeats.
good point there was also a big game against the patriots that we were one more score away from winning. nobody gives you anything for almost.
Haven’t seen you in awhile. Welcome back (or maybe I just missed some of the posts).
did anyone see this picture?
follow the numbers up top and then even McGowan on the sideline:
cool. Oh the poor browns cursed forever, the mistake by the lake. And we complain ha
I read something about this, but had yet have yet to see the picture.
[…] Tommy Lawlor explains why execution is the Eagles biggest issue right now […]
sports science? missing from practice today — lj, peters, barbe, kendricks, maxwell, kiko, meco, thorton, hart, biar, maragos.
I thought Maragosn, Thorton and Hart practiced?
Then I said, Hey lets sign and trade for all of the players who have torn ACLs and are “injury-prone.” We’ll get them for cheap, put them on our Sports Science Program and we will be the best team in the NFL.
– Chip Kelly
http://singlemomsforhillary.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/AATTP-Laughing-Republicans.jpg
Is “qq” the noise you make when you’re running around pretending your cat is a Lazor gun?
he continually posts the same 5 pictures with nothing to say
Yes. A thirty-year-old photo gets pretty dog-eared after so much handing.
It is an evocative photo. Very Bohemian Grove.
well if they are hurt or dinged up, I don’t mind that their not practicing. I’d rather they rest
Runyan and Westbrook practiced about zero times in their Eagles careers. I’m with you.
Bucs brought back Connor Barth to replace Brindza. His accuracy 85.3% over 7 years. Why wasn’t he brought in instead of Sturgis again?
Maybe Caleb Sturgis was a better #culture fit.
Before you guys even start about a possible interest by the Eagles in Vikings WR Patterson, let me tell you this: “culture beats talent”…*coughcough
why? is he getting traded?
Apparently he’s on the trading block…
but can he block?
And guys who can actually catch the ball….
He’s a bad combination of too stupid to learn their plays and too lazy to work hard. Zimmer hates his guts. He’s brutal and I agree 100% with not wanting him.
Mmm. Execution… first chip, then any active OG, then Bradford
Injuries are really hurting us right now.. Lane is a thug, he will def play on his injury.., pretty impressive that our run defense held up against such Running based team like the skins when we played with so many players missing from the front 7. We played without Bair, Thornton, Hart, Kiko, Kendricks missing from the front 7.. defense fought its ass off with a rookie corner in his 4th game having to play almost every snap outside.. Can’t help but thing Bairs shot blocking could have been a big help against a smaller Cousins who was getting the ball out so quick
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I guess they certainly knew what they were doing when we signed Mufasa and drafted Hicks..
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Props to Bennie Logan who moved to DE and played like an animal, and Beau Allen had to play extended snaps and held up well.. We NEED to get at least Thornton or hart back this week, ideally both because Bair won’t be able to go.. Meco and hicks need to stay healthy…. Maxwell could have come in handy against a big physical Garcon who doesn’t have tremendous speed.. Rowe held up well all things considered and getting thrown in the fire like this will only help the growth of Rowe and hicks because they seem athletic and mentally tough to handle it..
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And the friggin kicker situation might be the scariest of all.. OL isn’t playing well enough to where you can just say fuck the kicking game we will go for two and go for it on 4th down every time. God forbid.. I don’t know what’s scarier playing with this ravaged OL or with this hack kicker. I don’t know what the answer is….. The injuries on defense have to stop, we can’t overcome much more then they are being asked to overcome with the offense putting them in such bad positions..
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I hope fans drop their bullshit expectations of wanting to win 55-3 or being miserable, with these injuries and the state of our OL, beating whoever we face by 1 point is a big enough challenge.. Fans better shove their “style points” up their asses and these players need to claw, scratch and grind out wins right now
Damn man Chip falling into that shoulda coulda woulda thinking.. Own up we lost.. Execution is one thing but their your players you chose.. You chose that Kicker.. Do you see Shady, Maclin or DJax dropping those balls? Do you see Mathis or Herremans struggling this much?? Move on man this your team get better n stop with the hypothetical loser thinking sheesh
You chose the kicker? Have you seen the scrap pile? Isn’t the WE LOST
Implied? Don’t the reporters who are asking him questions already understand that “we lost” is understood?
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Enough real issued to worry about instead of over analyzing and bitching abut every word.,, there is plenty to rip, the coaches friggin press conference is far from one of them, unless you miss the Andy Reid press conference that bad.
Both Reid n Chip have their same words.. Reid i have to put players in better position.. Chip execution.. Chip says we gets those kicks we 3-1.. Man for real that mentality is just wrong.. Shoulda woulda coulda.. Own up move on to the Saints or the next team.. Bs shoulda woulda coulda thinking stuff that man.. Even all these articles or peeps talking about back in the day we came back from this n that.. New team new year man just like new game n new opponent.. Own up yeah we lost move on to the Saints get better n hopefully get some wins too
you’re right he should own up to the missed kicks.
he though the kicker would make them and he was wrong! why didn’t he go for it on 4th down?
go for 2 instead of extra points?
that’s not what he said in totality though. Did you watch the press conference or did you just read some click bait article from Kempski? He was asked what he meant by players not making plays and what he meant by “execution”. Kelly decided to expand on that by saying we missed easy crucial kicks in two games, guys are on the o-line are not opening holes, RB’s are missing holes when they are there and not making cuts at the right time, Wide receivers dropping easy passes….he said all these things, but the writers in this town would have you believe Chip walked up to the podium and said “listen everybody, it isn’t as bad as it looks, if our kickers could have made a couple kicks, we would be 3-1”
He did give the “we would be 3-1” but it was totally taken out of context, and asserted that he thinks it was only his kickers fault. He put the blame on everyone, including himself and the other coaches
O-Line not opening holes, RBs missing holes, dropped balls.. End of the day these are the players he selected.. Even if Chip aint saying if we could of got this n that then we be whatever the record.. Got peeps everywhere having the shoulda coulda woulda mentality.. The loss against the Skins was to me the best game the Eagles played so far.. Fix that OL n get healthy n i think we see more improvement.. Only thing though is i dont see the OL being fixed this year meaning more struggles for the O
I think you are right, that was the best game we played so far. ouch!
i agree with the sentiment regarding the o-line…..my issue is when he gets asked about execution and tells it like it is, our beloved media gets up in arms but it’s the truth….Jordan Matthews can catch a football, Darren Sproles can catch a football, Nelson Agholor can catch a pitch. Jason Peters may not be what he used to be but the guy is a pro bowler, so is Kelce and they have played like garbage
I know all about the “shoulda coulda woulda”, i posted the quote on Tommy’s article yesterday because it’s what comes to mind when i watch these players make mistakes, stupid mistakes that you don’t expect guys like this to make. and i agree that sunday was the best game they have played, and yea it sucks
I don’t take any pleasure that he is a key player for one of our rivals, but I hope Jordan Reed considers retiring.. kid had like 5 concussions in college, one as a pro and a 2nd against us this past Sunday.,, it sucks for a young man to give up his career, but I don’t want t see this kid take another headshot.. Only so many of these you can endure before they affect the quality of your living..
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Malcolm Jenkins has been a pleasure to watch on film.. Dude is playing out of his mind right now, and after how the saints discarded him and gave 50mil to Byrd to replace him, I imagine we will really see Jenkins all over the field this week… I’m sure Sproles and Malcolm can help coaches with Insight on this matchup since Bree’s and Petton are still running the same offense,
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I’m sure Sprolesy and his wife will be pretty jacked up for this matchup.. Should be fun to see the type of performances those two have this week..
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For or defense it’s really pretty simple this week. Bree’s has the entire playbook at his disposal with authority to audible into anything at the line of scrimmage which means that our DISGUISE is everything this week.. Tip our blitz to soon and he will make us pay.. Not only do we have to hold our disguise while he plays around with the cadence but we also need to trick and confuse him, show blitz and then drop in zone, show soft coverage and throw a delayed blitz his way while the lineman get there hands up because he is going to get it out quick.
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Can’t allow Brees to trick us into tipping our hand. This is very important for the rookie hicks. He has to be able to match wits with Brees and not allow Brees to fool him into revealing our intentions..
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Our offense is in worse shape so it’s even more simple on that side of the ball: block some fuckin body, and catch the God damn ball.. Agholar needs to grow up, I’m ok with his physical mistakes, but he needs to be sharper mentally.. He is playing more snaps than Jordan, so he has to grow up fast..
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Be nice to get something out of Josh Huff at some point,. When Miles Austin is out performing you, it’s not a good look..
Look at how fucking long this post is. Get on Twitter you Fool!
Your attention span dies about four words in dopey.
To be fair, my attention span doesn’t even last that long with him.
I see you’re still an asshole. I’d say please leave but it would be wasted. If enough people say GET THE FUCK OUT maybe Tommy will man up. And keep in mind, I’m no big fan of GEagle in the first place.
yeah huff on a reverse would be good too, I don’t understand why they can’t get him the ball more
He played 4 offensive snaps on Sunday. Geagle had mentioned he might be in the doghouse.
There’s no way the problems right now all stem from “execution.” A big part of the problems can be traced to the fundamental design of Kelly’s system. All the execution problems intersect with some of the predictability of the scheme and snap counts. The tempo exacerbates everything.
Kelly’s statements remind me in some ways of Reid saying that QBs needed to throw their way out of a funk or that the run game just needed to be efficient (instead of effective). The dominance of the passing game was core to Reid’s philosophy. Tempo and simple schemes with packaged plays are core to Kelly’s. While we all thought Reid wasn’t great at adjusting, there was only so much he could adjust without sacrificing his core principles. I think Kelly’s even more hamstrung. While Reid could call more run plays in a game (and was very successful with the 3 headed monster), I don’t think Kelly has that many options – as he says, his entire program is built around how his schemes and tempo mesh.
I really like Kelly. I think he’s innovative and want him to succeed. But this is a perfect storm, and it’s snowballing with the injuries. I think they still have a chance as Bradford gets better, and I actually don’t want Kelly to “adjust” at this point. If he does, he sacrifices what potentially makes him so great. I guess it’s just a terrible waiting game.
I could watch this all day.
imagine if our o-line had to play against our d-line in a game
runner is supposed to follow the blocks where Trent is heading but he cuts back because the D must have been stacked on that side. He practically ignores him to shift that way.
Wow. Thanks guy. Way to look at the negatives. I see Fletch attacking a blocker blowing him up and tackling for a loss on the play. Go to Frans page and see how many times Cox blew up Williams.
Also, there was Curry and Beau on the other side noone else as you can see because noone else comes in to help. Fletch took out there best lineman on this play… but lets just ignore this and say well that wasn’t his man.
this isn’t just Cox being dominant, he is, but this is a great shot of how good this D-line actually is. Yes the back is supposed to shoot off the backs of the RG and C but Allen and Curry completely blow up those o-linemen. in turn, Cox throws Trent Williams down like a small child and stays disciplined in his lane and forces the back the other way where allen has already shed his block. The LG gets a hand on him but makes an effort to get to the 2nd level for the LB but Hicks evades him as well. Malcolm Jenkins looks like he is flying into the hole to help as well
Just great play all around!
Not being in a position to hold a D-lineman on every single snap leaves Williams exposed. Great to see Cox destroy him.
Cox is a destroyer, it’s a shame one of his prime years is going to be wasted on this team. I hope we lock him up long term soon.
agreed.. I hope he wastes his entire career with us !!
Cox with nice penetration.. Slides in with ease..
I dunno, looked a little rough at the point of contact. Probably unpleasant for the recipient.
Yip didnt except Cox to come in so hard at that size
That’s what she said.
Here’s my criteria for a successful season now: Never again seeing Murray run the zone stretch to the outside.
If I never see that one more time this year, I will consider this season a success.
im over murray, I like the guy but Matthews seems better
It’s not even Murray’s goddamn fault, what is he supposed to do when guys are hitting him 5 yards deep? What pisses me off is we keep running the fucking play! It’s obvious either A. teams know it’s coming and are ready to defeat the blocking or B. Our OL is too incompetent to block that play right now. Or maybe both.
definitely not his fault.
but Matthews still looks faster and better
Word, Steve. Completely agree. Let’s keep banging our head against the wall. Maybe things will be different this time.
Chip must go.
Really really interesting story about Tyrod Taylor wanting to play for the Eagles.
http://www.phillyvoice.com/tim-tebow-vs-tyrod-taylor-aka-culture-vs-talent/
Kempski really laying into things right now. Don’t agree with everything he says but I do share the general sentiment that the team has fucked itself with some peculiar decisions.
well Russell wanted Reid to pick him too, now what?
That’s living in the past a little bit isn’t it? I don’t really care about Reid anymore, he’s old news.
Also, Russell is overrated and wouldn’t be nearly the star he is on a team without the best defense since the early aughts Bucs and Ravens. No way to prove it but I would bet the house on him being a mediocre player on any team where there was more pressure on him to lead the team to points.
is tyrod better then Wilson?
Kempski
you can stop right there
And when Tyrod does the typical Bills quarterback fall from grace, who’s going to look like the fool?
Jimmy has gotten fairly annoying in his gotcha demeanor lately. #culture is media invented. Chip said one cheesy thing meant to be private and it blows up. Taylor wanted to come here if he had an opportunity to start maybe. That wasn’t gonna happen.
If you read what Kempski is saying it’s clear he’s in straight troll mode. TT wanted to start, we’d already paid big money for sam, and had marky marky, all before TT wasn’t resigned by ravens.
In God, errm, Chip we trust…
The Pope should have blessed Chip instead of Bradford’s knee.
what’s that picture?
fair weather fans jumping off the bandwagon saddens him
Yeti..?
Eagles 17th in DVOA, up from 18th last week. WAS 18th, DAL 19th, NYG 11th. Eagles 26th ranked O, 5th ranked D (same as last wee). Sam Bradford ranked 16th for the WAS game. (Foles ranked 6th)
You know what the blog needs?
A special guest post by the author of “The Tao of Chip Kelly”, mark Saltveit.
He can tell us how great and Zen-like the Chipster is for laying the blame at the feet of his players. I am sure that this is all about execution and the coaching staff have nothing to do with this.
I never thought I would yearn for one more day of hearing our head coach say “I got to do a better job”.