OL Shuffle

Posted: October 14th, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 168 Comments »

He’s gone, again. The Eagles cut Julian Vandervelde on Tuesday. I know sometimes this may just seem like Chip Kelly, Ed Marynowitz and/or Howie Roseman do this for the heck of looking busy, but the moves always do matter.

Vandervelde has value because he knows the system and the coaches trust him. If someone is hurt, they can sign him and feel at least a minimal sense of comfort. The problem is that Vandervelde just isn’t that good. You want backups to do two things. First, they need to be good backups. Second, you want them to push the starters. Vandy can do the first, but not the second. He’s just not a guy you want on the field. There is no upside with him.

The Eagles signed Tanner Hawkinson to take his place. From PE.com.

Originally a fifth-round pick of the Cincinnati Bengals in 2013, Hawkinson was waived in September as part of the final round of cuts as the Bengals trimmed their roster down to 53 players. Just two days after being waived, the 49ers signed him to their practice squad. The McPherson, Kansas native played his college football at the University of Kansas, where he was second-team All-Big 12 as a senior in 2012. Standing at 6-5, 300 pounds, Hawkinson appeared in 4 games for the Bengals during his first two seasons.

Hawkinson, 6-5 300, is a good athlete.

VJ – 28.5
3C – 7.52

He reminds me of Andrew Gardner. Hawkinson can fire off the ball. Blocks well on the second level. Awkward in pass pro. While athletic, not the most fluid guy. Only a so-so drive blocker. Tends to rely on his hands more than using whole body to generate power.

I think Hawkinson would mostly be an OG for the Eagles. Chip Kelly will refer to him as a G/T, but I would need to see more NFL tape before trusting him at OT.

I have not finished re-watching the Saints game, but Matt Tobin got off to a slow start. I’m not sure this move correlates to that, but the point is that you need backups pushing Tobin to play better. You want marginal startes to feel threatened by the players behind them. Vandy wasn’t doing that. A new guy like Hawkinson might.

One key thing to understand is that Hawkinson is a long term move. He’s not here to challenge for a starting role right away. He does have upside, though, and is worth developing. The Eagles got lucky when they signed Gardner a few years back. It took him a little while, but he developed into an effective starter. Hawkinson probably won’t (just the odds), but it is at least possible with him.

The hard part of this is letting Vandy the person go.

How do you not love this guy?

Any team with locker room issues would be smart to sign him. Vandervelde might be a limited player, but he’s the kind of person you want on your team. When he does finally retire, the Eagles have some type of moral obligation to offer him a job. Heck, just have him cut players. He ought to be an expert at that.


Many of you have asked about me and Jimmy Bama doing more podcasts. I’ll talk to him. We stopped due to a combination of scheduling conflicts and technical issues.


Did you see the movie Marathon Man? There is a great scene where a guy helps Dustin Hoffman escape from his captors. Hoffman thinks the guy is his friend. The guy puts Hoffman in a car and drives away from the holding spot. Hoffman is keeping his head down in the car and answering questions from the guy as they drive around. Suddenly the car stops. Hoffman looks up and the car is right back at the original spot. His “friend” didn’t rescue him, but only pretended to. Right back to the captors.

I thought about this scene in regard to Brandon Boykin.

Boykin wanted out of Philadelphia because he wanted a chance to start. The Eagles dealt him and he believed he was saved. Now he’s right back with his captors. Actually, things are even worse than last year.  According to Rotowire, Boykin has played 12 defensive snaps this season.


I have no idea what has happened to Boykin. He went from being one of the league’s top slot corners to a guy that can’t get on the field at all. From everything I know and have heard, Boykin is a high character guy. Maybe something has changed.

He is in a contract year. That can sometimes bring out the worst in a player. He is pressing, trying to do big things to earn a big deal. That can lead to bad days in practice and bad games. You also wonder if it made a guy like Boykin pushy when dealing with coaches and/or teammates.

The other possibility is that Boykin wasn’t as good as they hoped outside and the Steelers had other plans for the slot already.

Obviously this isn’t anyone having it out for Boykin. There is no reason the Steelers would deal for him and then sit him. Something turned out differently than they anticipated. I was hoping Boykin would work out for them. He seems like a good guy so I wanted him to succeed. I also wanted the Eagles to get a 4th round pick for him. That won’t be happening. It will be a 5th.


Couple of good nuggets from the coordinator PCs today.

Bill Davis talked about how 3rd down will be a key point in practice this week. He said you don’t want to overreact to one game, but the Eagles struggled on 3rd downs the last 2 weeks. That means this is a problem that must be addressed.

Pat Shurmur had a great line.

Very true.


168 Comments on “OL Shuffle”

  1. 1 Ray888 said at 8:59 PM on October 14th, 2015:

    Cultural divide between Boykin and the head coach is always a possibility.

  2. 2 Charlie Kelly said at 9:01 PM on October 14th, 2015:

    like how?

  3. 3 A_T_G said at 10:23 PM on October 14th, 2015:

    I believe the statement was of the ironic humor variety. Ray is making light of the situation in which Boykin is now playing less for a coach of the same race as Boykin after brief reports of comments indicating that Boykin may have believed his lack of opportunity in Philly was related to the coach being of a different culture, used in that case as a euphemism for race. Ray is now stating an obviously impossible conclusion to highlight the apparent incongruity between the original implication and the facts that have unfolded since. In doing so, he is taking a position that he disagrees with the original hypothesis, but doing it in a way that is neither preachy nor rehashing old discussions. He also did all of that in a single sentence, and one that made me smile. In conclusion, Ray’s statement was ironic, apt, efficient, and witty. Jokes are always more fun when they need to be explained.

  4. 4 JoeBlow said at 10:27 PM on October 14th, 2015:

    this was way better than the joke…and i really liked the joke

  5. 5 Charlie Kelly said at 10:44 PM on October 14th, 2015:

    i like turtles

  6. 6 OregonDucker said at 11:33 PM on October 14th, 2015:

    I prefer Rhinos. They hit hard.

  7. 7 MagsHarvestMoon said at 11:38 PM on October 14th, 2015:


  8. 8 CrackSammich said at 10:04 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    Why are the Ninja Turtles posing with a dope fiend?

  9. 9 A_T_G said at 10:05 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    It relates to the internet meme that Charlie Kelly referenced.


  10. 10 CrackSammich said at 11:06 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    Wow. Can’t believe I missed that one.

  11. 11 Charlie Kelly said at 12:39 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    teenage mutant ninja turtles always beat up rocksteady….. who is a rhino.

  12. 12 livingonapear said at 2:13 AM on October 15th, 2015:


  13. 13 botto said at 12:25 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    I don’t get it

  14. 14 Dan in Philly said at 9:08 PM on October 14th, 2015:

    I was watching an OL highlight today and thought “you know, sometimes it’s just pushing a guy, not all technique and scheme.”

  15. 15 Eagle Central said at 9:16 PM on October 14th, 2015:

    I like how Billy admitted he probably put to much on BMax plate to begin the season and dialed it back so that Max could get a better feel for the defense and not have to think so much and just play ball.

  16. 16 GEAGLE said at 3:42 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Max has started to look better and better but he admitted he isn’t where he needs to be yet. When asked WHATS the one thing he feels he still as to improve on, Max responded “Need to improve my knowledge of the playbook. right now if you asked me to play safety, wouldn’t know what to do and Im a guy that likes to know the Playbook inside out so I know exactly what every player is doing on every play”

    Look at how Nolan has grown to play better than majority of fans thought he was capable of… Maxwell is capable of more than we have seen, hopefully we continue to see a stess progression of growth with peach game that passes for Maxwell
    Shame Thurmond just missed what would have been a game winning INT when he jumped Garçons route on the final drive.. Had he gotten that INT we would have won that skins game, we would be on a 3 game winning streak beating Jets, skins and saints, with Thurmond having an INT in each of those 3 games going to the Giamts games and a chance to win 4 in a row…can’t get over how he so narrowly missed that INT after reading the play and jumping the route

  17. 17 Tumtum said at 10:18 PM on October 14th, 2015:

    Finally the NFL is understanding how colossally bad their officiating is, and their doing something about it.

  18. 18 A_T_G said at 10:26 PM on October 14th, 2015:

    I didn’t see the report. Is it that thing we talked about where they drop them in a bad section of the losing city when there is a bad call?

  19. 19 Baloophi said at 11:43 PM on October 14th, 2015:

    “The Warriors” with refs? Calling Paramount now…

  20. 20 laeagle said at 11:46 PM on October 14th, 2015:

    Hell, that’s a whole new sport. One I’d gladly pay to watch. As long as it’s like “The Running Man” and the refs are the runners.

  21. 21 D3FB said at 7:26 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    In a world, where a ref blows a PI call in the final two minutes, costing the Eagles a game. A lillywhite 50 year old accountant by day must…


  22. 22 ChoTime said at 10:12 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    I take it that’s a rough area?

    Wikipedia says it’s the home of Irish, blacks, Poles, and ‘Ricans, as well as being the birthplace of… the Irish Mob? I never heard of such a thing!

  23. 23 Mac said at 10:49 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    Nah, it’s a RAM manufacturing company.

  24. 24 GEAGLE said at 1:24 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    It’s the “toothless district” of Philly

  25. 25 P_P_K said at 4:50 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Hell under the El.
    Raise your hand if you ever walked around K&A.

  26. 26 laeagle said at 9:30 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Best part is you can cast straight out of Kensington and it’ll look just like Escape from New York!

  27. 27 Tumtum said at 10:42 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    Ha! I think we would see mass resignations.

  28. 28 RogerPodacter said at 10:46 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    really? what is it that they plan on doing? full time refs?

  29. 29 Tumtum said at 11:02 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    No, unfortunately nothing that substantial. They suspended the side judge who screwed up the clock on MNF. First I have ever heard of such culpulbility though.

    I really feel like the officiating is as bad as it has ever been, including replacement level officiating. Obvious missed calls nearly every play, which isn’t nearly as bad as the tons of phantom calls. It’s probably just me but I am fine with “letting guys play”, it’s when the officials take the outcome of he game into their hands that is the main problem.

    The philosophy right now seems to be that “when in doubt throw it out”. Ot might not be the officials. It could be the NFL. They have made the rule book so convoluted that these doctors and attorneys don’t understand it. Allowing common sense to guide the officials doesn’t seem to be the way of the Rodger Goddell NFL.

    However it gets fixed I don’t care. Officiating is really interfering with my ability to enjoy the NFL.

  30. 30 BlindChow said at 3:00 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    He got paid leave. Basically a one-week vacation.

  31. 31 GEAGLE said at 3:31 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    TD catches hAve become a joke… Everyone knows what a catch looks like yet the NFLA has turned judging catches into rocket Sciemce to the poïnt where no one has any idea what a TD catch looks now which really makes no sense when you think of how simple it is when running the ball in, all you have to do is break the plain with the ball while running it in, yet TD catches are now like chinese algebra type difficulty….. how the hell can you fuck it up so bad that no one knows what a TD catch looks like any more? How do you screw up something so easy? It’s like burnings toast to a crisp, how do you screw up toast?

  32. 32 JoeBlow said at 10:31 PM on October 14th, 2015:

    I saw “Marathon Man” when i was in 2nd grade/ 7 years old. The next week i had a dentist appointment and made my father stay in the room the entire time for the checkup

  33. 33 TommyLawlor said at 12:50 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    To this day, I’m scared of dentists.

  34. 34 P_P_K said at 9:10 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    Who isn’t?

  35. 35 Tdoteaglefan said at 5:22 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    “Dr Giggles” is the film that Did that for me

  36. 36 HawaiianEagle said at 10:42 PM on October 14th, 2015:

    ESPN: Tony Romo didn’t play in Sunday’s Cowboys-Patriots game, but he had a message for New England QB Tom Brady regardless: “See you at the title game in February.” Romo’s comments, made during the postgame handshake, were caught by a mike on Showtime’s “Inside the NFL.”

    What wasn’t reported was the next captured line from Romo, “when we are both retired and have been out of the league for 20 years”.

  37. 37 A_T_G said at 6:25 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    Best of all, the Cowboys will still be paying Romo guaranteed salary money at that point after reworking his deal so many times.

  38. 38 P_P_K said at 9:09 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    Did Romo already buy a ticket for the game? Because that’s the only way a Cowboy will be there.

  39. 39 GEAGLE said at 3:27 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    This is what happens when “Baby Simba” Hicks drops you on your head

  40. 40 HawaiianEagle said at 11:20 PM on October 14th, 2015:


    Why can’t Fletcher Cox be the next best thing since Jenna Jameson? JJ this and JJ that. Why not Fletch?

  41. 41 MagsHarvestMoon said at 11:35 PM on October 14th, 2015:

    In my mind he’s already Tanker Something. Flows easier than Tanner Hawkinson. There was a discussion elsewhere on ways to mess up the gentleman’s name. My favourite was the suggestion that Chip would call him “Hankie”.

  42. 42 A_T_G said at 6:23 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    If he is good at getting to the second level and taking out LBs, particularly against the Bengals where the former Packer plays, we can exclaim that he is, “Hawkin’, son!”

  43. 43 Ray888 said at 2:46 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Hankie only works if he’s a hockey player.

  44. 44 Mark Sitko said at 12:27 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    Tommy – hit me up if you need someone to record the podcast and edit it – I can eliminate the technical issues for you and take care of all of that end…the scheduling challenges belong to the devil…but if you guys can work around them I can get your podcast recorded. It is really a shame not to have your voices on the internet as podcasting is taking over sports talk – you and Jimmy are rare talents with a great balance. Check out my current podcast I do with Jay Soderberg of ESPN fame – aka podvader…he now produces podcasts with Blog Talk Radio and our show is Next Fan Up – I host the Sunday night shows…Jay hosts the Thursday shows…I would love to help you guys out if there is any way that I can.

  45. 45 Bert's Bells said at 5:55 AM on October 15th, 2015:


  46. 46 P_P_K said at 9:08 AM on October 15th, 2015:


  47. 47 ChoTime said at 10:09 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    How do you guys listen to podcasts? In front of a desktop? In the car? On the go? I have never actually found them that convenient.

  48. 48 James said at 10:12 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    Desktop fo sho

  49. 49 Corry said at 10:16 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    I listen to them on my commute to work and sometimes when things are slow in the office.

  50. 50 A_T_G said at 10:28 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    I usually listen while working around the house, either with my iPad and portable speaker or earbuds.

  51. 51 Ark87 said at 11:52 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    I listen at the desk job, Eagles will get me fired

  52. 52 bsuperfi said at 3:16 PM on October 15th, 2015:


  53. 53 D3FB said at 7:42 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    Personally I hope Vandervelde goes on to write a Jason Segel style musical/opera.

    It stars a midwestern offensive lineman trying to convince the turk that he is not the droid he is looking for. In his efforts he tries to convince the turk that he is Batman. When that fails he tries to convince the turk that his golden voice makes him a modern 300lbs bearded version of the syrens. In the end he realizes he may never reach his dreams and goes all Captain Phillips, informing the turk that he is the one being cut and Vandervelde lets out a beastial scream proclaiming “I AM THE TURK NOWWWWWWWWW!” He then becomes an urban legend emerging from Bo Wulf’s old office in the NovaCare every August to get naughty camp players who don’t drink all their smoothies.

  54. 54 Corry said at 8:41 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    Prince Amukamara is likely out 3-4 weeks with a partially torn pectoral. Tom Coughlin replied, “just rub some dirt on it and get back out there!”

  55. 55 GEAGLE said at 3:26 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Wonder who we see DRC lineup agaunst the most?
    I’d guess that chip kelly is going to show the uneducated moronic Philly Media why he didn’t draft their beloved Landon Collins.. Strong run defender, but a liability in coverage that I assume chip will try to Isolate and exploit… IF Bradfird sees that we have Landon Collins in man coverage matched up against Ertz or Sproles in the slot, he has gotta Attack that…. Spagnuolo is either going to have to play a lot of zone, or he is gpmg to have to double team Sproles because the Giants dont really have any quick uber athletic LB that they can ask to run with Sprolsey so they might have to ask Landon Collins to try and match up with sproles… Hopefully Monday is “Wheel Route CITY”, lol just make sure Eagles RB are the ones inflicting the damage with wheel routes and NOT Shane Vereen…
    There are no easy division games, so I try to respect all our opponents, but when I look at the Giants Personel on Defense, two things Immediately Jump out at me
    1) lack of Cover ability in their LBs and Safeties
    2) what has to be one of the 5 worst pass rushing DLs in the game
    The Giamts better hope they can stop our run game, or our play action will slaughter their LBs and S’s all night, and with Amakamura out, their should be some chances to go after a backüp CB down field… chip said that the Giants are going to attack us with BOMBS all night, so it like to see us also try to take our shots… I want to see what Josh Huff looks like going deep.
    The Giants have a top 2 ranked run defense….. I’m sorry, but I don’t buy that AT ALL, but since the majority of that defense weakness is pass coverage, obviously they have some good run defendwrs, Jonathon Hankins is a big boy in the middle of the D, the linebackers cant cover but they can play the run. Landon Collins can play the run.. Our passing opportunities will be there, but I really hope to see our Offensive line to build on their play from the saints game and rise to the challenge of taking on what is being rated as a top run defense, step up and run the ball down their throat
    Their pass defense is suspect, we will take shots Nd have success via the air, but if we can manage to steo up and run the ball, attacking the strength of their defense, THATS how you really demoralize their defense and then rip their heart out… They have some Big heavy run defenders, run the ball in the first half and Those big boys will get worn down…
    This is a MUST WIN GAME!! We can not afford to lose any more division games, especially if it’s going to be a closely contested Divisipn because we will lose all the tiebreakers…you HAVE to win this game at HOME! MUST WIN!!
    The problem is we friggin completely kicked their ass and Embarressed them last year shifting them out in philly, so you can bet they are going to show up fired up looking for revenge… The Panthers are also going to be fired up looking for revenge for what we did to them last year… So it’s EXTREMELY IMPORTANT that .hip and our Leaders has us REaDY TO PLAY and Match their intensity these next two weeks..

  56. 56 P_P_K said at 9:10 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    ” Heck, just have him cut players. He ought to be an expert at that.”

    Too funny.

  57. 57 Ark87 said at 11:46 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    It kind of reminds me of how most abusive parents were abused as children. Poor Vandervelde is going to grow up to be an absolutely ruthless and despicable GM someday.

  58. 58 eagleyankfan said at 11:12 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    That all-22 is kind of disagreeing with the notion the OL is playing bad. Is Murray that much of an issue?

  59. 59 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 11:13 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    Dude isn’t trusting the holes. Bryce Brown would be proud

  60. 60 Tumtum said at 12:29 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    He looks so out of place on every run. Guess you can’t blame the guy he had no preseason looks.

  61. 61 Julescat said at 12:14 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    is it because he is used to running out of the I formation?

  62. 62 GEAGLE said at 1:01 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Not a big deal, Id bet that watching Game film of the saints game will open his eyes, and lead to him correcting his mistakes and having a breakout game under the bright lights of Monday night football… physically. murray is fine… But the saints game film will show him the difference between Murray being too patient, looking for the perfect hole which caused him to leave a “ton of meat on the bone” and he will see what it looks like when Ryan Mathews runs decisive, trusts the OL to open the holes that the play is designed to create…. I really expect game film of the Saints game to get Murrays season turned around..
    Murray didn’t maximize the success our OL was having against the saints, but it’s really simple, correctable trust issues, just common part of the gelling process that you have to go thru when you have a team with so many new players.
    I think the talk about which RB is best suited for our Offense, Murray or Mathews is really friggim STUPID, for starters it’s a dumb discussion because we have both and when we start performing the way we are supposed to their will be plenty of touches for both, but even if you Want to have that debate, now is NOT the time, because I guarentee we aren’t yet seeing what Murray will really bring to this offens when he gets comfortable with his line and the offense… Murray has made a lot of really small correctable mistakes that have held him back from showing what he is really capable of….. After we see this team come together, Im sure we will be thrilled to have both RBs..

  63. 63 anon said at 4:41 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    It’s good we had so much garbage time in the Saints game, RBs have time to work out the kinks, but in a close game i’m only wanting to see Mathews in for the moment. I think this will be the clearest indicator for coaches as well, Mathews is avg. almost twice the YPC.

  64. 64 Corry said at 11:20 AM on October 15th, 2015:


  65. 65 peteike said at 11:27 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    saw that Prince may not play, thats great if he cant

  66. 66 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 11:29 AM on October 15th, 2015:

    Out 2-4 weeks

  67. 67 botto said at 12:31 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    who will sing Little Red Corvette?

  68. 68 Bert's Bells said at 12:45 PM on October 15th, 2015:


  69. 69 peteike said at 1:04 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    as a jehovahs witness he cant play on Sundays anyway, or hoops at his house for that matter. The pancakes should be okay though.

  70. 70 HawaiianEagle said at 1:24 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    This ain’t 1999 after all. Let’s party Monday night!

  71. 71 GEAGLE said at 12:48 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    “Any team with locker room issues would be smart to sign him”???
    That’s just crazy talk, no matter who he signs with he isnt a good enough player, and doesn’t have close to emough clout to make a difference in ANYONES locker room…you have to have Talemt and actions for your “talk to matter”, or you ATleast have to have significant experience and accomplishments under your belt to have a voice in an NFL locker room, Julian has neither…
    The fact that andy hasnt even brought him in at any point considering KC OL issues tells you all you need to know about his Talent level, or lack tbeir of… The same Andy that signed Akeem Jordan like 4 different times…
    Vandervelde was a guard center.. my take is he was useful to us as insurance during the first half of this season in case KELCE got hurt… But now that we are about a month and a half into the season, I assume we have gotten Josh Andrews up to speed enough to be Kelce’s,primary backup, so there is really no use for Vandervelde…. But God forbid Kelce or Andrews gets injured, you know Julian is on speed dail… But Julian is a good dude, and a real pro so I hope he lands on his feet and there is someone out there who will hopefully value him as a backup and give him some job stability…. Hopefully Andy Reid of the colts continue to give jobs to our castoffs

  72. 72 GEAGLE said at 1:22 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    I love how when everyone talks about this Giant team, I keep hearing how a big part of Eli’s great play right now is the fact that he is much more comfortable now that he is in his second year playing in this offense.. I hear it from all the analysts, I hear it from chip and the Coaches, I hear it from the players, I hear it from our fans…. And not for nothing, but it’s pretty friggin true.
    Yet when it comes to Bradford, we watch his first 4 games in a new offense that he has only been cleared to practice in since August first, playing with 10 new teammates,throwing to brand new WRs, TEs, and on top of all that, the guys HASNT played in two friggin years…. Yet, we can watch Bradfords first 4 games, and Comclude that he isn’t good enough and that we will have to find a new QB next year lol… 4 games, and we think we know what the kid is capable of…

    Go watch the way Eli has played QB these past few weeks, and then randomly choose any of the Giants games from the beginning of last season when they were playing with 27 new players, and watch how DRASTICALLY different eli looks….
    Even if se see Bradtord light the league on Fire these next 3 weeks, it’s still reasonable and rational to expect that Bradford can reach new heights as he grows in this offense, gets comfortable and it becomes second nature for him

    All I keep hearing about is being in year two of this offsense is one of the main components of Eli looking so good this year… Well if we are smart enough to recognize that, we should be smart enough to not overreact to what we see in September of year 1… My expiation is that Bradfird we see durng the second half of the season will be significantly better than what we saw in September, and then I expect that what We see Next year, will be even better than the I provementa we see durimg the second half of this season
    A 1-3 start is terrible, it’s no fun and it’s hard on us all… But can we be upset and go thru adversity while still supporting our players and understand that we are just seeing the “starting point” of what is a brand new Eagle offense and even tho being patient friggin sucks especially for a fanbase that has never won a Super Bowl, there is no way around the gelling, Growth process… We can get a brand new QB, and 10 better offensive players, but they will need time to gel too….. It’s a process that you have to go thru when you decide to make changes across the board of a unit..
    Eli playing better because he is in his second year in this Offense is a VERY REAL Dynamic.. We can’t expect it to not apply to Bradford

  73. 73 botto said at 1:46 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    it’s true and you would really expect Eli to have a shorter leash and it should take him even less time then Bradford considering he is a veteran.
    Sammy will be getting hot moving forward, no worries

  74. 74 GEAGLE said at 2:14 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Yes sir…. His play DOESNT concern me, this is just a Starting point that we have seen.
    my Concern is that we NEED TO KEEP HIM HEALTHY! NOTHING could be BETTER if for this franchise, that if SAM puts his bad luck behind him, plays every single game this season, enjoys an entire healthy offseason and string together a few year stretch of staying healthy… His talent level is so friggin Legit, if his injuries are behind him, he is the man to lead us to a new golden age of Eagle football..
    I still hold this years team to the standard of reaching the playoffs and hopefully making some noise.. Even tho it’s YEAR 1 for this team, the NFC is just so wide open that I can’t just waive the white flag and view this as a complete rebuilding year because I still view this as one of the most Talemted rosters.. But after this year, we should see we should see the Best Chip Kelly Eagle team we have seen up to now.. I look at it as this will be the year we grow into a top defense, and the next two years will be years 4 and 5 of the defense and at that time it’s GREATNESS OR BUST… Year 4 it’s only fair that we hold billy and the defense to the standards of TOP DEFENSE or BUST… Especially since we have been building this defense correctly, it’s not like we decided to rebuild in year 3 lke we did with the offense…
    So next year we will be in YEAR 4 Of this defense, expecting GREATNESS and football gods willing, SAM will be in year 2’of this offense, with at least 20 healthy games under his belt, and I assume he wiill have extra added OL talent that we will add this up coming offseason..
    Just put together a few years Of good health, and we will have a Really good eagle team to root for.,, I believe continuity is the only thing holding SAM back from greatness

  75. 75 HawaiianEagle said at 4:09 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Don’t forget the playoff game(s) experience this year – big moments moving toward next year

  76. 76 GEAGLE said at 4:22 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Yes sir.. Even if next year is really “the year”, it would be so much better if we get playoff experience, ideally a playoff win or two this year, so they can hopefully build on it next year and go further in the playoffs

  77. 77 botto said at 4:53 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    the year seems to always be next year.

  78. 78 HawaiianEagle said at 5:07 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    With each passing year the odds decrease

  79. 79 GEAGLE said at 5:07 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    This is the down side to when your coach decides to rebuild the offense in year 3, instead of continuing to build on the past two seasons like we are seeing with our defense… Next year the defense is in year 4, and the Offense wjll be in year 2… That’s just the reality of our situatuon

  80. 80 anon said at 5:39 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    we rebuilt the secondary and the ILB corps this year. I guess we rebuilt the whole offense too. I don’t think we’re “not good enough” to beat anyone except the top teams, but i guess that was the same last year.

  81. 81 botto said at 5:52 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    I mean since the eagles came into existence. next year, next year

  82. 82 GEAGLE said at 2:36 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Is it just me, or has Walter thurmond made more BIGTIME plays in 5 games than Nate made for us in 5 years?
    “Baby Simba” Hicks probably has made more Big plays in the first 5 weeks of his rookie season than Casey Mathews has made in his eagle career.. Sadly these migjt not even be exaggerations
    But back to Thurmond, I enjoyed hearing chip give his thoughts about Walter… He was asked about what he has seen from thurmond so far, and chip responded something like: “Honestly he has looked just like the walt I have always seen. My first year as Oregon coach was Walts Senior year and he was our Team Captain. I remember that spring trying to install my offense was so hard because Walt was so good flying all around the field every day in Practice and that he honestly thought Thurmond was going to be a first round pick until he suffered the Terrible injury but he always thought thurmond was capable of what we are seeing but that he has been snake bitten. He never had any setbacks with the bad knee injury he had as a senior, but it’s always one injury after another, a pectoral, a hip that has held Thurmond back from being the great players h is capable of being…

    Walt has been a Godsend, so much fun watching him and Jenkins… I wish they would have the game tape clips of each individual player like they have for draft picks. Basically a edited tape of each eagle game that only shows Thurmond on each play, and the same thing for Jenkins. It would be great to see cut ups of individual players entire games… Cox, Logan, Thurmond, Jenkins they would be a lot of fun watching their entire games… jason Peters im sure would be a lot of fun too.
    Shame Ahgolar got hurt, because I heard that early in the saints game he was really destroying saints corners at the line of scrimage and flying by them..

    Thurmond has played so well, his ipast injury luck is nerve wrecking.. We Finally FOUND ELITE SAFETY PLAY, hopefully he is done getting injured and all the bad luck is behind him … Silver Linning, it’s not a situation like SAM where he keeps injuring the same exact body part, it’s been random injuries at all different areas of his body that he has recovered from, hopefully he can enjoy a few years of Great health..
    For example, must suck for COUGHLIN and Eli to play against Walt and see how he is tearing the league when they had him last year, they knew how talented he is yet the injuries kept him off the field….. Hulls and the Sports Sciemce department need to perform as the MVPs of this franchise

  83. 83 JoeBlow said at 3:50 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Wonder who will line up on JMatt this game. Trumaine Mcbride is the everyday slot but he was injured last week and i have no idea if he is playing this week. With the lack of speed and coverage abilities in the middle of the field from the G-men I am expecting a coming out party for JMatt, although i am getting sick of waiting. I don’t think he will ever be a top 10 receiver in the game, but he is able produce much more than he has so far. It’s been a combination of things, mostly him trying to make a play before he ever catches the ball first. Yeah he had some drop issues in College, but not like this, he’s much better than this. I went to several training camp practices and just marveled at his work there, he looked like someone ready to bust out with huge numbers. He caught everything and never stopped running. He had some opportunities last week but Sam went elsewhere with the ball. Here’s hoping they hook up a lot this week because i think the Eagles have a huge advantage with his size and speed in the middle of the field

  84. 84 BlindChow said at 4:00 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    They probably won’t even bother covering him, because more likely than not he’ll just end up dropping it…

  85. 85 botto said at 4:52 PM on October 15th, 2015:


  86. 86 BlindChow said at 8:17 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Seriously, though, he’s guaranteed two drops per game. It’s ridiculous.

  87. 87 JoeBlow said at 8:35 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    yea it’s been pretty bad. I’ve only bought one football jersey my entire life and it wasn’t even an eagles one. I saw an all-black Ed Reed jersey at a flea market, and not some knock off, i think it was the reebok jerseys they wore at the time, embroidered number, thing still looks sharp today 9 years later…..any way bought the blackout JMatt jersey this year….not a good early return on my investment

  88. 88 Corry said at 8:36 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    So it’s your fault he sucks.

    (if I had bought, we would have traded him or something ridiculous)

  89. 89 Mitchell said at 7:37 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    On pace for 1000 yards but really not that scary, unfortunatley.

  90. 90 anon said at 7:54 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    remember when riley cooper was a viable fantasy option?

  91. 91 GEAGLE said at 4:42 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    This is pretty much how I feel about so many match ups this week.. We really match up well with both the Giants and Panthers.
    Eagles won 10 of the last 13 Gianta games,
    Main matchups I like when facing the Giants and Panthers, is that both OL’s have weak links for our stacked DL rotation to exploit.. Our DL THATS finally Getting the respect it deserves has two PRIME TIME opportunities(night games) against Offensive lines that they can exploit so I would assume young studs on the verge of stardom like Cox, and Bennie are going to be really jacked up to take over these next two games on prime time with the Nation watching. Great opportunity on the big stage for this front 7 and Eagles defense to make a statement and show how much Talemt we have on defense
    jordan Mathews is going to be tough for the Giants to match up with
    The Safties and LBs are all better run defenders who DONT have quality coverage ability… How are they going to match up with Ertz and Sproles? They would abuse Landon Collins
    And if they aren’t overmatched enough in coverage, they have one of the worst pass rushing DLs in the league.. Spagnuolo has no choice but to bust out his notes from the jim Johnson days and try to blitz us all night. Hopefully SAM and KELCE can diagnose the blitzes and SAM can make them pay for blitzing us…
    Curious to see who DRC is matched up against the most, and whp the backüp matches up against. I can’t think of his name but they say he held up ok when he had to fill in for DRC this year

    We are going to win this game!!! I HATE when all the media picka us, but this week is perfect, it’s like all the national media is picking the Giants, blatantly ignoring so many key matchups that are in our favor,,I’ll be heartbroken if we don’t beat the Giants and Panthers, I just feel we matchuo too well with them. This game is OURS!!

  92. 92 JoeBlow said at 3:51 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Desean Jackson had to leave practice today, felt discomfort in his hammy again

  93. 93 anon said at 4:31 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    good, need them to stay taking Ls, but i did just add him in fantasy so i’m conflicted.

  94. 94 mtn_green said at 4:15 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Love to see huff get a bubble screen and watch DRC try to tackle him.

  95. 95 TypicalDouche said at 4:58 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    I think you meant to say “watch DRC try NOT to tackle him”

  96. 96 Patrick said at 7:32 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Well, if were discussing the incomprehensible situation of Sam Bradford not only avoiding turning the ball over, but actually completing a pass to Josh Huff of all people, who apparently managed not only to get on the field but actually play WR for the Eagles and NOT drop a pass, I think we can imagine DRC actually making a tackle since hell would indeed have frozen over and pigs will be flying.

  97. 97 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 7:39 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Huff is the WR without a drop this year… People are still on the Huff hate after last week?

    Just give the guy a chance… heck, he was one guy away from breaking the Kick off

  98. 98 Patrick said at 7:42 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    I have no ill will against Huff, plain and simply he has not produced. End of discussion. Im sure he is a great guy, now go win.

    Mostly it was in fun. You dont have the right to make fun of other teams or players when you’re losing, thats for winners.

  99. 99 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 8:00 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Eagles and Giants players talking trash game week…. nothing new

  100. 100 Patrick said at 8:08 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    All due respect to Josh Huff, i’d keep the smack talking to a minimum until he actually does something in the NFL. Otherwise he gets into those awful situations like Joseph Randle trash talking Murray only to get benched 5 games in for Christine Michael.

    Leave the idiocy to the rivals.

  101. 101 GEAGLE said at 5:05 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Giants @ the Linc Momday Night Blackout, think our DL dominates this game, Demarco has a big breakout game… Eagles win. (Monday night) Cox gets greedy after last week and uses Monday night as his personal stage dominating PUGH (Guard), and Rookie Eric Flowers(Lt))
    @ Carolina, We match up well against them, DL beats on their OL and we give Cam hell like we did last year, (Sunday night) Cox continues to use Primetime games as his stage and make it a long night for Cam
    BYE WEEK…, get healthy boys,,
    @ DALLAS, Eagles always perform well in Jerry World, we could see KIKO come back And get some snaps, While Romo and Dez are still out….(Sunday night) Prime time in Jerry World, Cox solidifies his all pro year, smacks Lael Collins around and knocks Matt Cassle out of the game lol

    miami @ the Linc … cox not to be out shinned by Ndomunkung Suh, spike Tannahill on his shoulder
    Bucs @ Eagles… poor Jameis wInston smh…
    Thanksgiving day vs Mess of a lions team
    That’s a 6 game stretch of Highly winnable games, which is gong to determine our season,, people like to cry that we haven’t beaten anypne, but the definition of a good team is beating all the teams you are supposed to beat.. We can’t afford to go 3-3 in this winnable stretch. Have to take care of business, because after these 6 games we end up in Foxborough to face the Patriots on December 8th, which most of us mark down as. Loss…
    @ patriots,.. Yikes
    Then we get to the home stretch, which is where we folded last year and eliminated ourselves from the playoffs.. After this away game against the Pats, we have 3 straight home games, HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS… We can not have another tony Romo type DECEMBER Collapse:.
    bills @ The Linc
    Cardinals @ the Linc
    Skins @ The Linc

    @ Giants…

    Look at this schedule, down by 1 game in the Division, it’s not bullshit when they say that all the goals we set out to achieve are still rigjht in front of us…be a real shame to not take advantage of this opportunity

  102. 102 HawaiianEagle said at 5:11 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    rumor has it Dez back week 7…?

  103. 103 GEAGLE said at 5:19 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Yeah I heard that too, he had some extra treatment to try and stimulate the healing process, but I don’t really buy it… And even if he comes back, Romo is who really matters to me. Hate to admit but he has outgrown his MUrphy Law days and is now a pretty decent QB… Without Romo, I don’t know how much DEz can help them, and it’s probably not a lock that he will be back for week 7

  104. 104 anon said at 5:49 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Dez, Hardy and Romo will make that week 7 game an interesting game. The sad part is that we still have the same number of wins as the cowboys. We REALLY need to be a game or two ahead b/c I think they’ll be good the last 6 weeks of the season.

  105. 105 HawaiianEagle said at 6:26 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    then that makes week 9…hmmm who do they paly week 9…Agree though. It’s Romo that stirs that drink.

  106. 106 Media Mike said at 6:33 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Sam Hinkie and Joel Emiid sneer at your week 7 BS.

  107. 107 GEAGLE said at 5:15 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Can we,finally get an opening drive TD from Sam, the OL and the Offense?
    For the most part, Sam has gotten better as he got some drives under his belt and got more comfortable..we should be pretty tough to beat when SAM and the offense click right out the gate! Move the offense and score an early TD..
    Hopefully they build on the saints game and prove that it was our turning Point and the offense comes out firing against a depleted defense, put some pressure on them EARLY

  108. 108 Joe Minx said at 6:01 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Sammy Watkins made a formal complaint through his agent to the Bills about not getting the ball enough. lol

    That’s a nice little powder keg they have shaping up there. lol Rex.

  109. 109 JoeBlow said at 6:01 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    oh boy

  110. 110 anon said at 6:14 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    As a person that has him on fantasy he needs to complain. That being said, his conference has great corners up and down plus TT isn’t the guy that’s going to sit in the pocket and let Sammy run his route.

  111. 111 Media Mike said at 6:33 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    People not giving my fantasy players the ball frequently enough are bad humans.

  112. 112 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 6:49 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Maybe Chip can send him Murray and Austin for Watkins 😉

  113. 113 JoeBlow said at 6:05 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    I think the Saints win tonight, ATL has been awesome through 5 weeks, but these Thursday night games are always odd. It’s a small line for a team that is being considered the worst in the NFL against a 5-0 team, even though they are playing in the Superdome. Division games are always tough, Julio is banged up

  114. 114 Media Mike said at 6:32 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    That would be something.

  115. 115 peteike said at 6:50 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    ugh, your post is brutal. Just bet on Atl and was thinking same exact thing. Weird line, can only be equated to div game and NO plays better at home. Atl due to lose maybe.

  116. 116 JoeBlow said at 7:02 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    haha, just my amateurish thoughts, good luck man. This game brings back bad memories on my gambling career. I took the Michael Vick led Falcons against New Orleans in the first game back at the Super Dome post-Katrina. About 3 minutes in and a blocked punt TD later i knew it was a loser.

  117. 117 Corry said at 7:52 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Thursday nights tend to even things out too. Not nearly enough practice time and usually lead to odd games.

  118. 118 Nick C said at 7:06 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    So I’m in Philly for a wedding this weekend and had to get tickets for my first ever game at the Linc. Hopefully this one will go much better than my last two games at the GA dome:)

  119. 119 anon said at 7:50 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    If we lose you’re going to have to ban yourself from games

  120. 120 Steag209 said at 8:15 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    I’m planning on it being my first game at the Linc too

  121. 121 A_T_G said at 8:29 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Link at the Linc?

  122. 122 HawaiianEagle said at 8:24 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    I’ve only been to one game at the LINC, 2010 vs the Ginas – we won – I’m glad, coming from Oahu to PA was a long haul…

  123. 123 Corry said at 8:34 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    I’ve only been to 1 game at the Linc. 2006, Week 11. Tennessee at Philadelphia. McNabb tore his ACL and we lost 31-13. I haven’t been back since.

    (Of course on the flip side, Garcia stepped up that year and took us to the playoffs so maybe I’m a bizarre good luck charm? I never wanted to chance it though)

  124. 124 The original AG said at 8:53 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    So you’re the one jinxing us…

  125. 125 LeatherWallet said at 7:27 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Monday night can’t come soon enough

  126. 126 anon said at 8:10 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Anyone have thoughts on Barkevious Mingo (CLE) OLB that seems unhappy w the fact that he’s MSII status. Is he terrible?

  127. 127 Corry said at 8:19 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    I don’t know much about him, but he’s only 241. Can he set the edge in our defense? I also think he has a bit of an injury history. I know he had a serious one his rookie year, but it wasn’t a ligament or anything.

    EDIT: looked it up, he had a bruised lung in 2013.

  128. 128 JoeBlow said at 8:29 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    all i really know is that he always seems to be injured…..so he’d fit right in here! another thing is that it seems he hasn’t grown since college, still weighs in at 240

  129. 129 Insomniac said at 10:23 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    I doubt we want him. I haven’t seen him play much in the NFL but Mingo is very explosive with nice length and agility. He should still be lighter than Smith and if he’s still on the bench then that means he still hasn’t learned any pass rush moves nor did he improve in coverage.

  130. 130 HawaiianEagle said at 8:29 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    So if Agholor can’t go, Huff or Coop get more looks?

  131. 131 BlindChow said at 8:33 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Nope, it’s either going to be Ag or 10 men on the field.

  132. 132 Corry said at 8:38 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    No way, because then the only WR option would be Matthews AKA Featherstone (watch Necessary Roughness to get the reference).

  133. 133 HawaiianEagle said at 8:41 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    he does catch the game winner against Texas St though…

  134. 134 JoeBlow said at 8:44 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    I really like the fact that we have a coach who has watched the movie “necessary roughness” (Chip mentioned that the only college to contact him so far was the North Texas State Armadillos in todays meeting with the media)

  135. 135 Corry said at 8:45 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Yeah. I don’t know much about Chip, but his subtle references to terrible movies makes me respect him just a bit more.

  136. 136 Corry said at 8:44 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Looks like the Saints are using our coverage scheme againt Julio. The one where no one is within 5 yards of the guy.

  137. 137 A_T_G said at 9:01 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    I am starting to think that isn’t the way to go.

  138. 138 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 8:54 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Master Chief in the stands

  139. 139 The original AG said at 8:55 PM on October 15th, 2015:


  140. 140 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 8:56 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Strange things happen in that dome. Maybe that beating we put on them woke the Saints up

  141. 141 Corry said at 8:58 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Weird shit happens on Thursday night games too.

  142. 142 The original AG said at 8:58 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    They look like a desperate team tonight.

  143. 143 Corry said at 8:56 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    yeah, that was one hell of a blocked punt. Also woohoo! PSU represent!

  144. 144 JoeBlow said at 8:58 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    shades of 2006

  145. 145 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 9:07 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Saw that route happening

  146. 146 JoeBlow said at 9:14 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Falcons D-line playing well all year so far

  147. 147 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 9:16 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    They really shoot those gaps

  148. 148 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 9:23 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Awe rookie ….

  149. 149 The original AG said at 9:27 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Gotta wonder sometimes about the Saints playcalling.

  150. 150 JoeBlow said at 9:33 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Saints D needs some oxygen

  151. 151 The original AG said at 9:36 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    They are getting abused. I don’t understand how Ryan still has a job. If Payton isn’t careful, he might get himself fired keeping him around. But then again, the offense is all over the place.

  152. 152 JoeBlow said at 9:38 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Sean Payton already said this week that he will take inquiries from other teams later this season…..not a good to be telling your employer in week 6

  153. 153 The original AG said at 9:39 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Whoa, didn’t read/see/hear that. Yeah that’s really bad, no wonder this team is a mess.

  154. 154 JoeBlow said at 9:47 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    He has two years left on his deal, but i think the Saints ownership wants him out. Things haven’t been great lately and i don’t think he has been on board with GM Mickey Loomis giving out giant contracts on one hand and then dealing other players away with the other just so they can stay under the cap. Also when Junior Gallette when on his twitter rant after being cut, he said some pretty unflattering things about Payton….(cheats on his wife, addicted to painkillers) which some people think is true. Those things have nothing to do with football really, but some think the Saints want to get rid of him before this stuff turns public

  155. 155 RC5000 said at 10:01 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Maybe Payton can get a package deal with Redskins GM and Sarkisian as assistant. Football seems like it’s out of control but I guess it’s been that way going way back.

  156. 156 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 9:46 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Teams want him… been talks of trades

  157. 157 JoeBlow said at 9:49 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    i think Miami is where he lands

  158. 158 The original AG said at 9:37 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    OMG, the Falcons want the Saints to win this game.

  159. 159 JoeBlow said at 10:02 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Kid from Kentucky Josh Forrest has caught my eye. 6′ 3″ 260, plays inside linebacker in Mike Stoops 4-2-5. Wide Receiver turned linebacker, 4.7 40yd dash, very long arms. Projected to be a day 3 pick, and he’s more of an athletic edge player than a thumper in middle, 3rd in SEC in tackles, maybe a late round pick with tons of potential if he can figure it out

  160. 160 Media Mike said at 4:56 AM on October 16th, 2015:

    The way our ILB corps keeps laying down on the job means that we might need that kid.

  161. 161 JoeBlow said at 10:31 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    OMG shut up Phil Simms, you can’t even add dude!

  162. 162 scratcherk said at 10:45 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Catch much, breaux?

  163. 163 JoeBlow said at 10:55 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Saints ran exact same play against us, such a tough route to cover, especially with a speedster like Cooks

  164. 164 Jernst said at 11:54 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    So the Saints just beat an undefeated team. Hopefully, we can all lay the whole, “last weeks win doesn’t count because the Saints are horrible” thing. Every win in the NFL is hard to come by.

  165. 165 anon said at 11:56 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    agree. Division game, plus my theory is that teams that get whalloped one week often come out and get the W the next, vice versa for teams w/ an easy win.

  166. 166 Jernst said at 11:59 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    All this is true.

  167. 167 Media Mike said at 4:55 AM on October 16th, 2015:

    Or does that make losing to Atlanta look worse?

  168. 168 anon said at 11:57 PM on October 15th, 2015:

    Sammy Watkins to Bills: “‘You’re making me look bad, and you’re making yourself look bad. Why not make both of us look good?'”